From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 24 13:38:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34073 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 20:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 20:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 20:38:50 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.221]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:41:35 -0400 Message-ID: <004301c39a6e$b5ea0a00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tivoli PAL questions (lots of them) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:37:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have the conversion pix ready, but Yahoo will not let me upload them- I keep getting a "briefcase error" message. I also cannot get into the am stereo FTP site. If anyone wants the pictures, let me know, and I will email them privately. To anyone attempting this conversion, I will tell you how to take it apart. 1) Take off the 2 battery cover screws and remove the battery. 2)Remove the 4 corner screws. The back will come off now- its a tight fit. All the parts stay on the front face. Unplug the antenna rod. 3) The tuner board is separate- DO NOT try to pull off the tuner knob! After the 4 tuner board screws are off, the tuner board will slide back, leaving the venier assy behind. 4) Don't try to remove the amp/IF board- you do not have to and you WILL wreck the rubberized finish if you try to pry off the knobs. 5) See the pictures for where stuff hooks up. 6) Add an LED so it fires into the present LED (The present one is pale green, and I hot melted a Red one so it fires into the rim from the rear when in stereo. Looks cool. The IF chip is a TEA5711 Data sheet on Google, 1st hit. chris From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Fri Oct 24 13:44:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33429 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 20:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 20:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 20:44:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 20:44:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:44:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tivoli PAL questions (lots of them) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004301c39a6e$b5ea0a00$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1638 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.68.38.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello Chris, I'll take the photos! Send them to pabigelow@.nospam.aol.com just remove the nospam! I'm really plowing into this! I already have the radio apart as you described. Have gathered much about the circuitry already. Pretty nifty assembly actually. Where did you mount the AM antenna? Did you just lift it off the board with spacers or place it somewhere else entirely? Best regards, Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I have the conversion pix ready, but Yahoo will not let me upload them- I > keep getting a "briefcase error" message. I also cannot get into the am > stereo FTP site. > If anyone wants the pictures, let me know, and I will email them privately. > To anyone attempting this conversion, I will tell you how to take it apart. > 1) Take off the 2 battery cover screws and remove the battery. > 2)Remove the 4 corner screws. The back will come off now- its a tight fit. > All the parts stay on the front face. Unplug the antenna rod. > 3) The tuner board is separate- DO NOT try to pull off the tuner knob! After > the 4 tuner board screws are off, the tuner board will slide back, leaving > the venier assy behind. > 4) Don't try to remove the amp/IF board- you do not have to and you WILL > wreck the rubberized finish if you try to pry off the knobs. > 5) See the pictures for where stuff hooks up. > > 6) Add an LED so it fires into the present LED (The present one is pale > green, and I hot melted a Red one so it fires into the rim from the rear > when in stereo. Looks cool. > > The IF chip is a TEA5711 Data sheet on Google, 1st hit. > chris From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 24 13:47:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40934 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 20:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 20:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 20:47:13 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.221]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:49:59 -0400 Message-ID: <004901c39a6f$e259f720$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <004301c39a6e$b5ea0a00$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Tivoli PAL pix Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:46:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I finally got to upload 2 pictures, and they are in the Photos section now. They are not in the Tivoli folder. They are by themselves at the bottom. Chris From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 13:47:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16196 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 20:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 20:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11908.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.192) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 20:47:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20031024204753.64102.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.75.227.85] by web11908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:47:53 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WTB: Sanyo MW-250 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Anthony Simon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're all probably going to laugh at me, as chances are pretty much against me that anyone on this list will have what I'm looking for.....It's an extremely rare find, but I figure if I don't ask, I'll never know... I'm looking to buy a Sanyo MW-250 multimode AM Stereo boombox. If anyone (for some strange reason) has one they're willing to sell me, let me know. -Tony Simon --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 24 13:49:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21799 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 20:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 20:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 20:49:16 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.221]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:52:02 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01c39a70$2b9e11a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tivoli PAL questions (lots of them) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:48:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I never moved the antenna- it is right where it was from the factory. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: pabigelow To: Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 4:44 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tivoli PAL questions (lots of them) From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Fri Oct 24 14:11:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69734 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 21:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 21:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 21:11:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 21:11:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:11:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tivoli PAL questions (lots of them) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004f01c39a70$2b9e11a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1177 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.68.38.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello Chris, OK! I thought I read in an earlier post that its proximity to the metal RF box was a problem. I'll leave as is then. This should be a fun, easy conversion. It looks like the FM stereo pilot is an unused pin. So as I see it: 1. Install the CC Decoder (Is 7.2 volts enough? I guess so!) 2. Install a FM LED for FM stereo next to the battery indicator (a thought here -- how about a thin, clear non-colored plastic tube for the front panel and let the LEDs be a different color for each function?) 3. Route the CC Decoder LED to the battery indicator. May also: 1. Increase the headphone output coupling caps to 220uf. 2. Install some Murata 180khz GDT type FM IF filters. Thank you for the pictures Chris! I'll post the info about the Tivoli PAL circuit Time to get busy. Best regards, Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I never moved the antenna- it is right where it was from the factory. > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pabigelow > To: > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 4:44 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tivoli PAL questions (lots of them) From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Fri Oct 24 14:32:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5849 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 21:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 21:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 21:32:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 21:32:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:32:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Tivoli PAL circuit -- general information Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1584 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.68.38.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, The Tivoli PAL description Front End: Uses a Philips TEA5711 for the AM/FM/AMIF/FMIF/Stereo function. This IC would appear to be a good one with balanced mixers for AM and FM so it should be fairly resistant to mixing problems. The RF box was not removed but using a flashlight no GAS-MET "cellular telephone" - type RF mixers could be seen. The front end is discrete as it uses coils, two gang tuning capacitor for each AM amd FM section, and a couple of small value capacitors. IF: The TEA5711 is used for the IF amps. FM utilizes two L10.7A (red dot) ceramic capacitors. The AM utilizes a SFU455B ceramic filter and two IF coils. The SFU455B is rated at 10khz wide @ 3db down. Audio: The speaker output utilizes a Philips monophonic TDA7056B rated at 5W. The headphones use (I think) a JRC3404A opamp this IC's marking is partially smudged. The markings of the on three other ICs on the AF/Recharge board are smudged. The headphones are coupled with 100uf capacitors. Internal Construction: Ingenious as the RF board and AF/recharge board are separate, joined by a unpluggable ribbon cable. The battery, FM antenna, spearker are connected by plugs as well. Access is easy -- this radio can be modified and serviced. Most of the circuitry on the RF board is "through the hole" while the cicuitry on the AF/Recharge board is mostly surface mount. When sealed, the box makes for a nice acoustic suspension-type speaker. The speaker is 4ohm and rated at 3 Watts. Expensive, yes. So far though, seems to be a nice little radio. More later, Paul Bigelow From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 14:56:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16439 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 21:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 21:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 21:56:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 21:56:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:56:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Tivoli PAL circuit -- general information Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 305 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bossmsx2" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Hi...I tried looking for pix in the "Photos" section, but it says "folder empty".. Can someone bring me up to speed as to what the "PAL" is? I own a Kloss/Tivoli "Model One" and have found it to be a rather good (but not necessarily fantastic) radio, but have never heard of this "PAL". --tony simon From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 24 15:15:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75567 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 22:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 22:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 22:15:30 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.145]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c39a7c$36cc80a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tivoli PAL circuit -- general information Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:14:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The pix are now in the FTP site, but in a folder named "new folder"- It says I do not have permission to change the name... (erk?) The pix are also in the yahoo photos area, but NOT in the Tivoli folder- I cannot even delet that folder. Wierd things are happening today. Anyway, forget the Tivoli 1- it is only mono. The PAL is a portable , like the 1,, but it has FM stereo in the HP jack. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: bossmsx2 From bratina501@msn.com Fri Oct 24 15:49:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20046 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 22:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 22:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 22:49:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 22:49:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:49:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Strong Geomagnetic Storm Forecasted Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1168 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > > wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > > > wrote: > > > > I'm not sure if this will negatively or positively affect radio > > > > DXing, but it's noteworthy nonetheless: > > > > > > > > > Geomagnetic disturbances tend to be detrimental to AM and SW, but > > > often good for sporadic-E skip for FM broadcast. > > > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > Or geomagnetic disturbances can cause auroras and affect FM > > reception in another way but the signals scattered from auroras are > > very bassy, distorted and hard to identify. > > Yes, but the FM/VHF/UHF DX is phenomenal. :) Some hams even do > auroral DX catches. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I know especally on the VHF band I was able to watch KTVK channel 3 from Phoenix AZ every three days last summer. I think most auroral DX for hams would be on the 6 meter amateur radio band I know that that band is best for E-skip. From bratina501@msn.com Fri Oct 24 16:02:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12463 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 23:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 23:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 23:02:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 23:02:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:02:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007201c39a01$8b3a3b80$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 442 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I just did it to mine, (removed the C14 chip cap) and it worked great- But > AM still sounds better than FM- A perfect demo radio! > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bratina501 On mine I also adjusted the 3.6 Mhz ceramic capacitor so that the AM stereo signals decode properly on a loop antenna and I get even better sound with out one. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 16:24:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68466 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 23:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 23:24:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 23:24:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 23:24:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:24:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT Dxing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1233 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > It's easier for Michael in NZ to DX across the Pacific than it is for > > a Californian to do so, because of the lack of crowded conditions. > > Sure sounds like it would be. :) Even on poor quality radios, I > usually can hear something on every single channel at night, and often > 2 or more stations (but usually on the better radios (except 1230, > 1240 (which has a local), 1340, 1400, 1450 (which has a semi-local > with daytime groundwave but disappears into the hash at night), even > on some of the "clears"). Thing is, as crowded as it is here in the middle of the US west coast, it's WORSE anywhere on the US east coast! :) I wonder if a few here, in their parts of America or the world at large, would like to do comparative bandscans of a similar nature. Kebin? UK Dave? Anyone else? How about the Japanese contigent, or Matt in Brisbane, Oz? Anyone game? ;) Too bad the Thasiland scans are just nighttime only- I would have suggested bandscans both at noon (daytime) and midnight- again, for comparative purposes. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 16:36:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82697 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 23:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 23:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 23:36:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 23:36:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:33:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Dxing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031024193051.46140.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 973 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Most decent radios are made for the US market it > appears . Discounting AM stereo, actually the best are from Japan. > A lot of the stores here have glitzy radios with > surround sound,Dolby they have lots of lights and a > designer slim look for upmarket settings but none has > AM Stereo,little if any has RDS,and not worth the > money. Most radios here are utter crap, focusing on the "bells and whistles", but not on the quality-- Essentially, what can be cheaply made in China or Malaysia, you'll get them here- Much as what you get in NZ or most other places. For AM stereo, Japan only.....unless there are some hidden Korean AMS receivers around. For RDS, Britain for anything other than just car radios. Here in the US, RDS only exists on car radios. (Same thing is true with AMS, sadly, with one exception: No "aftermarket" AMS car radios in the US!) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Oct 24 17:24:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79003 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 00:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 00:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 00:24:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2003 00:24:25 -0000 Date: 25 Oct 2003 00:24:23 -0000 Message-ID: <1067041463.44504.76129.w34@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /radios/pal-mod1.jpg Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Tivoli PAL radio AM Stereo conversion - Photo 1 of 2 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/pal-mod1.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Oct 24 17:26:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64019 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 00:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 00:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 00:26:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2003 00:26:48 -0000 Date: 25 Oct 2003 00:26:47 -0000 Message-ID: <1067041607.44830.46057.w53@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /radios/pal-mod2.jpg Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Tivoli PAL radio AM Stereo conversion - Photo 2 of 2 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/pal-mod2.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 17:41:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22654 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 00:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 00:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 00:41:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2003 00:41:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:41:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT Dxing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6807 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > > > > It's easier for Michael in NZ to DX across the Pacific than it is > for > > > a Californian to do so, because of the lack of crowded conditions. > > > > Sure sounds like it would be. :) Even on poor quality radios, I > > usually can hear something on every single channel at night, and > often > > 2 or more stations (but usually on the better radios (except 1230, > > 1240 (which has a local), 1340, 1400, 1450 (which has a semi-local > > with daytime groundwave but disappears into the hash at night), even > > on some of the "clears"). > > Thing is, as crowded as it is here in the middle of the US west > coast, it's WORSE anywhere on the US east coast! :) > > I wonder if a few here, in their parts of America or the world at > large, would like to do comparative bandscans of a similar nature. > > Kebin? UK Dave? Anyone else? How about the Japanese contigent, or > Matt in Brisbane, Oz? Anyone game? ;) > > Too bad the Thasiland scans are just nighttime only- I would have > suggested bandscans both at noon (daytime) and midnight- again, for > comparative purposes. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ here's a couple brief text bandscans, not accounting for adjacent channel splatter from strong stations (unless it's so bad as to block reception on the desired channel) (Frequencies left out either have adjacent-channel splatter, or I don't know/remember what's on there) Signal strength not given at this time due to using different radios to log the different stations. This is an estimated nighttime bandscan. 540 - XESURF Tijuana, BCN (Baja California Norte) - Nostalgia 550 - KUZZ Bakersfield, CA - Country (also K??? Phoenix, AZ - News/Talk (or Sports)) 560 - KSFO San Francisco, CA - Talk 570 - KLAC Los Angeles, CA - Nostalgia 580 - KMJ Fresno, CA - News/Talk 600 - KOGO San Diego, CA - Talk 610 - KAVL Lancaster, CA and KFRC San Francisco, CA 620 - KTAR Phoenix, AZ - News/Talk (also maybe KNGS Hanford, CA) 630 - KHOW Denver, CO - Talk (and maybe also K??? Monterey, CA) 640 - KFI Los Angeles, CA - Talk 650 - K??? Cedar City, UT 660 - KTNN Window Rock, AZ - Country / Navajo (and also KGDP Orcutt, CA - Religious) 670 - KIRN Simi Valley, CA - Middle Eastern, I think (I WANT KBOI BACK!!!!) 680 - KNBR San Francisco, CA - Sports 690 - XETRA Rosarito, BCN - Sports 700 - K??? Salt Lake City, UT - ? 710 - KSPN Los Angeles, CA - ESPN (and mixes with a mexican) 720 - KDWN Las Vegas, NV - Talk 730 - XEEBC Tijuana, BCN and/or XEX Mexico City, DF 740 - KCBS San Francisco, CA - News 750 - unidentified talk format 760 - KFMB San Diego, CA - Talk 770 - KKOB Albuquerque, CA - News/Talk 780 - KKOH Reno, NV - News/Talk (also occasionally WBBM Chicago, IL - News) 790 - KABC Los Angeles, CA 800 - XESPN Tijuana, BCN - ESPN (mixes with XEROK Ciudad Juarez) 810 - KGO San Francisco, CA - News/Talk 820 - XEMVS Mexicali, BCN and WBAP Ft Worth, TX (Talk) 830 - KPLS Orange, CA (also occasionally WCCO Minneapolis, MN) 840 - KXNT North Las Vegas, NV - Talk 850 - KOA Denver, CO - News\Talk 860 - XEMO Tijuana, BCN - Spanish Music 870 - KRLA Glendale, CA - Talk (also occasionally WWL New Orleans, LA) 880 - KRVN Lexington, NB (plus a few others) 890 - KDXU St George, UT - News/Talk (obliterates a daytime TIS from Cabrillo National Monument) 900 - XEW Mexico City, DF (?) 910 - KECR El Cajon, CA - Religious (can somewhat get sports station from Phoenix by nulling KECR) 930 - KHJ Los Angeles, CA - Mexican Ranchera Music 940 - KWRU Fresno, CA - Spanish (and one from Mexicali I think) 950 - XEKAM Tijuana, BCN (and another unidentified mexican) 960 - K??? Phoenix, AZ - Talk 970 - K??? Bakersfield, CA - News/Talk 980 - KFWB Los Angeles, CA - News 990 - KTMS Santa Barbara, CA - ? (and ? Mexicali, BCN) 1000 - KCEO Vista, CA - Nostalgia (mixes with KOMO Seattle, WA - News) 1010 - Spanish 1020 - KTNQ Los Angeles, CA - Spanish 1030 - KTWO Casper, WY - News/Talk 1040 - KURS San Diego, CA - Spanish 1050 - K??? San Mateo, CA - Sports (and ? Mexicali, BCN) 1060 - remember hearing sports format recently on here 1070 - KNX Los Angeles, CA - News (mexican in background sometimes) 1080 - KRLD Dallas, TX - News/Talk (also mexican) 1090 - XEPRS Rosarito, BCN - Sports 1100 - KFAX San Francisco, CA (also maybe another one) 1110 - KDIS Pasadena, CA - Radio Disney 1130 - KSDO San Diego, CA - Spanish Religious 1150 - KXTA Los Angeles, CA - Sports 1160 - KSL Salt Lake City, UT - News/Talk 1170 - KCBQ San Diego, CA - Talk 1180 - KERI Wasco-Greenacres, CA - Religious 1190 - KXMX Anaheim, CA (and KEX Portland, OR) 1210 - KPRZ San Marcos, CA - Religious/Talk 1230 - multi-channel 1240 - KSON San Diego, CA - Asian 1250 - KEYT Santa Barbara, CA - News/Talk 1260 - KSUR San Fernando, CA - Nostalgia 1270 - XEAZ Tijuana, BCN - Spanish 1280 - KFRN Long Beach, CA - Religious (and another station or 2) 1290 - K??? San Bernardino, CA - Radio Disney (and maybe K??? Santa Barbara, CA - Nostalgia) 1300 - KAZN Pasadena, CA - Chinese 1310 - XEC Tijuana, BCN - Spanish 1320 - KCTC Sacramento, CA - Nostalgia 1330 - KWKW Los Angeles, CA - Spanish 1340 - multi-station (probably most likely strongest one could be from Santa Barbara) 1350 - K??? San Bernardino, CA (?) 1360 - KPOP San Diego, CA - Nostalgia 1390 - 2 stations mixing hash, but I guess XEKT Tecate, BCN and KLTX Long Beach, CA are battling it out. 1400 - graveyard channel multi-station 1410 - probably a spanish one 1420 - XEXX Tijuana, BCN (and another mexican (or country) in background) 1430 - K??? San Gabriel, CA (?) 1450 - multi-station (have heard K??? Porterville, CA on occasion. daytime is KFSD Escondido, CA) 1470 - XERCN Tijuana, BCN - Spanish 1480 - K??? Santa Ana, CA - Asian 1490 - multi-channel (a couple spanish ones come through fairly strong) 1500 - some asian language station or a carrier from a local TIS 1510 - KSPA Ontario, CA - Nostalgia 1520 - KOMA Oklahoma City, OK - News/Talk 1530 - KFBK Sacramento, CA - News/Talk 1540 - KMPC Los Angeles, CA - Sports 1550 - XEBG Tijuana, BCN - Spanish 1560 - KNZR Bakersfield, CA - News/Talk 1570 - mexican? 1580 - KMIK Tempe, AZ - Radio Disney (and KBLA Santa Monica, CA - Spanish) 1590 - spanish (I think) 1600 - KMNY Pomona, CA - Asian 1620 - KSMH Auburn, CA (?) 1630 - XEUT Tijuana, BCN - Spanish 1650 - KFOX Torrance, CA - Asian 1660 - KTIQ Merced, CA 1670 - KHPY Moreno Valley, CA - Spanish 1680 - KAVT Fresno, CA - Radio Disney 1690 - KDDZ Arvada, CO - Radio Disney (also maybe KFSG Roseville, CA) Just because some frequencies are left out (especially 1200s to 1500s) doesn't mean there aren't stations there. From stodd@vippn.com Fri Oct 24 17:51:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89055 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 00:51:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 00:51:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 00:51:44 -0000 Message-ID: <00b601c39a92$df3067a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NRSC Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:56:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude NRSC-1 was a bandwidth consideration, requiring frequencies of 10K+ to be attenuated. NRSC-2 was a preemphasis (transmit)/deemphasis (receive) curve, implemented because the manufacturers wanted a standard. Of course they rarely abided by it once they had it. Scott Todd Married men live longer than single men do, but married men are a lot more willing to die. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bta_50g" To: Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:19 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: NRSC > Can someone enlighten me as to what "NRSC-1" and "NRSC-2" mean, I get > totally confused every time someone brings it up? I had always > assumed that "NRSC-2" doesn't have anything to do with pre emphasis. > I remember when the "NRSC" filter and "NRSC" pre emphasis standards > came out. Later the RF mask specification came out, and I thought it > was known as "NRSC-2", so I assumed the pre emphasis and filter > standards are what seems to be known as "NRSC-1"? Does anyone have > the straight scoop on this? > > John > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From stodd@vippn.com Fri Oct 24 17:57:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5084 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 00:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 00:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 00:57:58 -0000 Message-ID: <00d401c39a93$c4ead460$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's up with Salem? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:03:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll have to ask Stu Engelke next Monday, assuming I remember. I know Salem was going to try IBOC on a couple of their FMs, but didn't know of any plans to use it on their AMs. In the remote possibility these stations are co-located such as two of mine are, it could be they use a T-1 link as STL with lower fidelity backup loops. When my CatLink (T-1 STL) takes a dive, it usually affects both feeds. Scott Todd Married men live longer than single men do, but married men are a lot more willing to die. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:38 PM Subject: {AMSF} What's up with Salem? > Within the past week or so, Salem's two New York City-area Christian > stations, 570 WMCA and 970 WWDJ, have both reduced their audio > bandwidth down to 5 kHz. I wonder if this a foreshadowing of them > planning to use IBOC, or if they just decided that since neither > station plays any music anymore, a 5 kHz bandwidth is sufficient for > their talk programming. > > Currently, 710 WOR continues to be the only AM station in the > Northeast broadcasting IBOC, as 860 WWDB, 930 WPAT, and 1480 WZRC > have all shut it off. However, Beasley claims that they will be > going full speed ahead with IBOC, installing it at WQAM, WSBR, and > WWNN in the Miami area, and apparently resuming its use at WWDB in > Philadelphia. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 18:02:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55646 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 01:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 01:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 01:02:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20031025010220.77699.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.108] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:02:20 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTB: Denon TU680NAB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Philip de Cadenet wrote: > I'd like to find one of the above tuners. If anyone > knows of one for > sale, alive or dead, I should like to contact the > seller. I keep an eye > on ePay but nothing to date. > > Thanks. > -- > Philip de Cadenet > Transmitters 'R' Us > http://www.transmittersrus.com > These units NEW had an exceptionally HORRID quality control. You'd be VERY lucky to find a good working one. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 18:04:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5757 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 01:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 01:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 01:04:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20031025010442.81504.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.108] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:04:42 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why RDS is HD is on the horizon? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- pabigelow wrote: > Hello, > > In Austin KASE 100.7 surprised me by suddenly having > RDS. > > I'm keeping my eye open. > > Best regards, > > Paul Bigelow Entercom made the same announcement some months ago, but I knew CC was going to also go all RDS. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 18:09:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21494 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 01:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 01:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 01:09:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20031025010924.33462.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.108] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:09:24 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Dxing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031024193051.46140.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Michael and Ross wrote: > Most decent radios are made for the US market it > appears . Like what? I surely haven't seen any ! ]:) > A lot of the stores here have glitzy radios with > surround sound,Dolby they have lots of lights and a > designer slim look for upmarket settings but none > has > AM Stereo,little if any has RDS,and not worth the > money. > Michael Sounds like here too. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Oct 25 00:25:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39001 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 07:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 07:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 07:25:34 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.131]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:28:21 -0400 Message-ID: <005401c39ac9$0f15d960$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:24:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The Sony SRF42 does not use a 3.6 ceramic resonator. It uses a coil for the AM Stereo PLL. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: bratina501 To: Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" > wrote: > > I just did it to mine, (removed the C14 chip cap) and it worked > great- But > > AM still sounds better than FM- A perfect demo radio! > > CC > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: bratina501 > > On mine I also adjusted the 3.6 Mhz ceramic capacitor so that the AM > stereo signals decode properly on a loop antenna and I get even > better sound with out one. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sat Oct 25 03:56:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41548 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 10:56:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 10:56:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.19) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 10:56:23 -0000 Received: from user-769.wfd20.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.115.1] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ADM5n-0003wQ-45 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:56:23 +0100 Message-ID: <4fYTnmdealm$Ewi3@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:55:26 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Denon TU680NAB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Hello Powell, I did not know that having never owned one. However the current TU-260/11 in modified form has a good rep as a el-cheapo FM re-broadcast rx for the cost conscious station owner here in the UK. They have even been given the OK by our Radio Authority for use as such. I imagine the mono AM section is as bad as most others. If you do see a 680 for sale do mention it here as I'd still like to have one. I cannot afford a Fanfare just yet! -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 06:24:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28008 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 13:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 13:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 13:24:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20031025132405.24823.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:24:05 PDT Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU680NAB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4fYTnmdealm$Ewi3@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Hello Powell, > > I did not know that having never owned one. > > However the current TU-260/11 in modified form has a > good rep as a > el-cheapo FM re-broadcast rx for the cost conscious > station owner here > in the UK. They have even been given the OK by our > Radio Authority for > use as such. > > I imagine the mono AM section is as bad as most > others. > > If you do see a 680 for sale do mention it here as > I'd still like to > have one. I cannot afford a Fanfare just yet! > -- > Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW > Transmitters 'R' Us > http://www.transmittersrus.com Occasionally you'll see them on Ebay. A Carver TX-11A or B would be a better bet. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Oct 25 08:04:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92693 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 15:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 15:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 15:04:23 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.135]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:07:11 -0400 Message-ID: <006501c39b09$2810b3a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20031025132405.24823.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU680NAB Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:03:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 There's an 11a going off today 3054150473 ends at about 11:30 tonite. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW > Occasionally you'll see them on Ebay. A Carver TX-11A > or B would be a better bet. > > > Powell From narkspud@hotmail.com Sat Oct 25 09:39:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68260 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 16:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 16:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 16:39:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2003 16:39:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:39:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Beach Music Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006b01c395c1$d2e5ad00$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1898 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.159.192.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > How about some examples (artisyts, song titles)of Beach music that made the > radio everywhere? (so folks can say to themselves "oh- "that's" what they > mean by beach music") I also had never heard of the term before Jay told me > about it.. > cc A week late: Girl Watcher - The OKaysions Stay - Maurice Williams and the Zodiacs Give Me Just a Little More Time - Chairmen of the Board Sixty Minute Man - The Dominos Band of Gold - Freda Payne My Girl - The Temptations One Mint Julep - The Clovers Under the Boardwalk - The Drifters Build Me Up Buttercup - The Foundations Rescue Me - Fontella Bass Smoky Places - The Corsairs Duke of Earl - Gene Chandler Just a Gigolo/I Ain't Got Nobody - Louis Prima Mother In Law - Ernie K-Doe Double Shot of My Baby's Love - The Swinging Medallions The Shoop Shoop Song - Betty Everett Morning Train - Sheena Easton The "beach" in question is Myrtle. The dance is the Shag (see movie of same name). As you can see from the list above, the sources of beach music are diverse, and a song qualifies as beach music mainly by becoming popular with the beach music people (IE good to Shag to). Some "purists" insist that only original R&B from the late 40's/early 50's qualifies, but these people are fuddy-duddies. It's based in R&B, but there are plenty of white groups (like the OKaysions) in there too. The list above is only "things someone in Oregon is likely to be familiar with." Us beach music nuts are also big on Ms. Grace - The Tymes Summertime's Calling Me - The Catalinas Rainy Day Bells - The Globetrotters Myrtle Beach Days - The Fantastic Shakers 39-21-46 - The Showmen I Love Beach Music - The Embers and many others. Snag one of Ripete Records' "Beach Music Anthology" box sets for hours and hours of real good music (some of it in rare stereo). From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 12:16:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85642 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 19:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 19:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 19:16:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2003 19:16:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:15:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Tivoli PAL-somewhat OT Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 193 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bossmsx2" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Paul and Chris: How does the Tivoli PAL fare as an FM DXing radio? I'm thinking about buying one, but don't have plans to use it for AM purposes (as I use my SRF-A100 for that). --tony s. From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Oct 25 13:54:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99432 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 20:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 20:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 20:54:51 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-43-28.rev.o1.com [66.81.43.28]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9PKsm372268; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:54:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c39b3a$017bb9c0$1c2b5142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: srf a300 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:53:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi i had retuned my a300 up to 97 fm instead of 90 fm. Its to bad that Sony never marketed it for the us. Jim S From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Oct 25 14:01:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10644 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 21:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 21:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 21:01:36 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.147]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:04:24 -0400 Message-ID: <004a01c39b3b$0eb933a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tivoli PAL-somewhat OT Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:00:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 It's very good on FM. I am able to get CBS 101.1 from NYC- 80 miles from here, as well as a low power on 94.3, WDNH out of Honesdale PA. The Scranton PA stations come in good, again, about 70 air miles from here. I am able to separate 2 adjacent stations that other radios have trouble with. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: bossmsx2 To: Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 3:15 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tivoli PAL-somewhat OT > Paul and Chris: > > How does the Tivoli PAL fare as an FM DXing radio? I'm thinking > about buying one, but don't have plans to use it for AM purposes > (as I use my SRF-A100 for that). > > --tony s. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 15:57:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56142 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 22:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 22:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11908.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.192) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 22:57:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20031025225702.4347.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.158.235.198] by web11908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:57:02 PDT Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: "HD Radio Ready"? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Anthony Simon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did a search on eBay for "HD Radio" and several car radio models came up...One of them is the Kenwood KDC-MP522, which says it's "HD Radio Ready"....What does this mean? That it decodes IBOC stations? I find that hard to believe since IBOC radios are not supposed to be released to the general public until after the CES....Perhaps "HD Ready" means that they can be later upgraded to decode IBOC? I'm not sure. Anyone know what "HD Ready" is all about? -Tony S. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 16:29:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61026 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 23:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 23:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 23:29:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2003 23:29:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:29:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: srf a300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c39b3a$017bb9c0$1c2b5142@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 536 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" wrote: > Hi i had retuned my a300 up to 97 fm instead of 90 fm. Its to bad that Sony > never marketed it for the us. Jim S True, but I think this is more-or-less due to industry conditions in the US more than anything, although it's sad such radios aren't left to the market globally. :( I wouldn't buy a Sony for the FM band, even if it had the full US/International FM band, since they're lousy performers, but for AM stereo, they're good. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 16:30:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53277 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 23:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 23:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 23:30:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2003 23:30:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:30:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tivoli PAL-somewhat OT Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004a01c39b3b$0eb933a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 462 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > It's very good on FM. I am able to get CBS 101.1 from NYC- 80 miles from > here, as well as a low power on 94.3, WDNH out of Honesdale PA. The Scranton > PA stations come in good, again, about 70 air miles from here. I am able to > separate 2 adjacent stations that other radios have trouble with. Sounds like a good FM performer-- I wish more radios were that good! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Oct 25 16:33:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24239 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 23:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 23:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 23:33:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2003 23:33:17 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64617 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 15:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 15:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 15:05:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2003 15:05:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:05:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NRSC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b601c39a92$df3067a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1460 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.210 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 25 Oct 2003 23:33:14 -0000 > NRSC-1 was a bandwidth consideration, requiring frequencies of 10K+ > to be attenuated. NRSC-2 was a preemphasis (transmit)/deemphasis > (receive) curve, implemented because the manufacturers wanted a > standard. Of course they rarely abided by it once they had it. Hi Scott, thanks for the reply. In any case you seem to have fallen into the same trap as the OP, and others here, in calling NRSC- 2 a pre emphasis curve. I should have gone to the internet first and just posted the correct answer to the original thread here. At any rate if you check the following two URLs, as I should have done initially, you will get the correct scoop. http://www.nrscstandards.org/nrsc-1.pdf http://www.nrscstandards.org/nrsc-2.pdf The bottom line is that my gut feel was correct, "NRSC-1" is the pre- emphasis and audio lowpass filter standard, and "NRSC-2" is the RF mask standard. NRSC-2 is not the pre emphasis standard, which is important because "NRSC-2" is required by the FCC, whereas the pre emphasis standard is not, except in the case of C-Quam Stereo broadcasting as Kevin has pointed out in the past. > Married men live longer than single men do, but married men are a > lot more willing to die. Who was it that said that? John From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 16:36:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38159 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 23:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 23:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 23:36:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2003 23:36:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:36:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "HD Radio Ready"? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031025225702.4347.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 942 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Simon wrote: > Did a search on eBay for "HD Radio" and several car radio models came up...One of them is the Kenwood KDC-MP522, which says it's "HD Radio Ready"....What does this mean? That it decodes IBOC stations? I find that hard to believe since IBOC radios are not supposed to be released to the general public until after the CES....Perhaps "HD Ready" means that they can be later upgraded to decode IBOC? I'm not sure. Anyone know what "HD Ready" is all about? Remember the days of radios with which you had to buy separate demodulator boards for: FM stereo (in the '50s with Crosby and the '60s with GE/Zenith); and AM stereo (in the '60s and '80s, with the expected rollouts)? This is the same thing: You have to buy a special decoder/demodulator card to be installed by an authorized technician, for that particular model, to decode IBOC. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 16:40:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79900 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 23:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 23:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 23:40:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2003 23:40:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:40:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Denon TU680NAB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4fYTnmdealm$Ewi3@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 698 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If you do see a 680 for sale do mention it here as I'd still like > to have one. I cannot afford a Fanfare just yet! There was a Denon TU-660 on eBay about a week ago. That model was the predecessor to the TU-680NAB and from what I heard, it's supposed to have a very good mono AM tuner. The TU-660 was long rumored to be the AMAX Mono companion to the AMAX Stereo TU-680NAB, but I'm not sure if that's the case, since it doesn't have the AMAX logo on the front panel. In any event, I wouldn't overlook the TU-660, as with one of Chris's decoder boards, it should make a very good conversion to AM Stereo, perhaps coming close to the audio quality that a real TU-680NAB would offer. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 16:52:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91786 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 23:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 23:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 23:52:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2003 23:52:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:52:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "HD Radio Ready"? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031025225702.4347.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1251 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Did a search on eBay for "HD Radio" and several car radio models > came up...One of them is the Kenwood KDC-MP522, which says it's > "HD Radio Ready"....What does this mean? Kenwood has just introduced an external IBOC tuner module that will enable its "HD Radio-Ready" car radios to receive AM & FM IBOC, a.k.a. "HD Radio". They supposedly have shipped out the first 1000 units, for use by the employees of stations that are transmitting IBOC. But it's not cheap... the IBOC tuner has a list price of $350, and that's in addition to one of the "HD Radio-Ready" head units, which are mostly $200 and up. And you'll have to find space to install the tuner module; far from being a circuit board that installs into the car radio itself, it's a big external box, the size of a typical amplifier -- so you'll have to mount it under the dash, under the back seat, or even in the trunk. And needless to say, that price will have to come WAY down before any consumers start to consider it. Why spend $350 for an IBOC tuner, just to receive a few local stations in pseudo-digital sound, when you can get XM or Sirius satellite radio, with dozens of coast-to- coast channels offering every type of music, for less than half that price? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 16:56:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34544 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 23:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 23:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 23:56:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2003 23:56:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:56:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "HD Radio Ready"? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 460 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is the same thing: You have to buy a special > decoder/demodulator card to be installed by an authorized > technician, for that particular model, to decode IBOC. As I just explained, it's more than just a "card", because at this point, the circuitry required to receive IBOC is way too complex to fit inside any single-DIN-size car radio -- and also too power-hungry to make it possible to build any kind of portable, battery-powered IBOC radio. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 17:16:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19432 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 00:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 00:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 00:16:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 00:16:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:16:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tivoli PAL-somewhat OT Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 484 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bossmsx2" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > Sounds like a good FM performer I think the telescoping FM antenna makes the PAL better than the Model One..My Model One is above average, but I wouldn't put it in the same FM DXing class as my Grundig Satellit 700..My 700 has a narrow FM filter that lets me hear 95.5 in Ft. Pierce with a local on 95.7 ... Then again, FM DXing for the most part is somewhat impossible here in Miami since virtually every frequency where I could DX here is taken up by a pirate. --Tony S. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 19:03:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79607 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 02:03:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 02:03:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 02:03:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 02:03:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:03:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: The IBOC folks can't count... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 320 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics A quote from the iBiquity web site: "HD Radio technology will allow broadcasters to compete on the digital playing field of the 21st century and marks the most significant advancement in radio broadcasting since the introduction of FM stereo more than 50 years ago." I guess they think it's the year 2011 already? From matthew.trim@eds.com Sat Oct 25 20:57:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57486 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 03:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 03:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 03:57:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 03:57:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:57:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Quality PLL FM Transmitter for in car use - under $30 USD Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 856 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 220.240.130.200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day, I found this Australian store selling the LineX series of PLL FM Transmitters that will run off the cigarette lighter in your car. Apparently they are good for 100 feet! http://www.stores.ebay.com.au/pdaaddonsau $AUD 39.95 Broadcast Warehouse are selling them so they must be good.. but they want 55 Pounds each (=$AUD $133) Ouch!! http://tinyurl.com/sdn3 This is the first time I have seen a PLL locked transmitter (7 frequencies selectable via Dip Switches) for this application - all the other FM sound feeders etc drift like you wouldn't believe! Great to listen to your AM Stereo portable in the car. I think velcro'ing the SRF-42 etc to the car window/windscreen would give the best signal (going to try that out..) :) I've ordered one so I'll let you know how it sounds (all the reviews are good though!) Cheers, Matt From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 22:02:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13697 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 05:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 05:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 05:02:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 05:02:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:02:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Am stereo/1992 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 275 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 I have a 1992 Am stereo radio from a 1992 GMC Sonoma it has the equalizer on it,and cassette with the expanded band, I was very surprised to see the expaneded band on it, which im very happy to see. Question.. When did they start putting the expaneded ban on the radios? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 22:29:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12654 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 05:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 05:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 05:29:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 05:29:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:29:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Am stereo/1992 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1405 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have a 1992 Am stereo radio from a 1992 GMC Sonoma it has the > equalizer on it,and cassette with the expanded band, I was very > surprised to see the expaneded band on it, which im very happy to > see. Question.. When did they start putting the expaneded ban on > the radios? All new radios were required to tune the Expanded Band (up to 1700 kHz) by 1993, although some had it long before then. I had an Aiwa walkman from the late '80s that tuned up to 1710 kHz, and my Technics receiver from the mid '80s tunes up to 1720 kHz. Older radios with analog tuning will usually cover at least part of the Expanded Band; most in my collection tune up to about 1650 kHz without modification, and they can often be easily "tweaked" to tune in the full Expanded Band -- or even higher into the Shortwave band, if you so desire. Lately there has been talk of possibly retiring Channel 6 from TV use and reclaiming it to expand the FM radio band, but that doesn't seem likely. Nevertheless, many radios tune down to 87.5 MHz on FM, and even though it isn't a legitimate channel for FM broadcasting, there are a good number of unlicensed "pirate" stations transmitting on 87.5 MHz. Indeed, they seem to like hanging around the edges of the dial; in my area, there are Spanish language pirates on 87.5, 87.9, and 107.9 FM, and 1620 AM -- and also one Jewish religious pirate on 1710 AM. From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 23:28:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8987 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 06:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 06:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 06:28:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 06:28:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 06:28:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Am stereo/1992 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2141 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I have a 1992 Am stereo radio from a 1992 GMC Sonoma it has the > > equalizer on it,and cassette with the expanded band, I was very > > surprised to see the expaneded band on it, which im very happy to > > see. Question.. When did they start putting the expaneded ban on > > the radios? > > All new radios were required to tune the Expanded Band (up to 1700 > kHz) by 1993, although some had it long before then. I had an Aiwa > walkman from the late '80s that tuned up to 1710 kHz, and my Technics > receiver from the mid '80s tunes up to 1720 kHz. > > Older radios with analog tuning will usually cover at least part of > the Expanded Band; most in my collection tune up to about 1650 kHz > without modification, and they can often be easily "tweaked" to tune > in the full Expanded Band -- or even higher into the Shortwave band, > if you so desire. > > Lately there has been talk of possibly retiring Channel 6 from TV use > and reclaiming it to expand the FM radio band, but that doesn't seem > likely. Nevertheless, many radios tune down to 87.5 MHz on FM, and > even though it isn't a legitimate channel for FM broadcasting, there > are a good number of unlicensed "pirate" stations transmitting on > 87.5 MHz. Indeed, they seem to like hanging around the edges of the > dial; in my area, there are Spanish language pirates on 87.5, 87.9, > and 107.9 FM, and 1620 AM -- and also one Jewish religious pirate on > 1710 AM. Thanks Kevin.., another question. Im getting noise when im operating my radio in my truck with the engine running on the AM band, rolling the window is the worst on it.. Ewg..To listen to Am stereo around here its border line and when the truck is started up the signal is to noise filled and it doesnt pick up the stereo, 620 from Dallas is one of those, its my first AM stereo experince and i think it sounds nice.. I have checked the spark plug wires and even tried a noise filter for the ignition and it didnt even reduce the noise and static, is there anything else i could check? From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 00:10:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90979 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 07:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 07:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 07:10:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 07:10:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:10:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Am stereo/1992 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 772 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amradiorocks2003" wrote: > Thanks Kevin.., another question. Im getting noise when im > operating my radio in my truck with the engine running on the AM > band, rolling the window is the worst on it.. Ewg..To listen to Am > stereo around here its border line and when the truck is started up > the signal is to noise filled and it doesnt pick up the stereo, 620 > from Dallas is one of those, its my first AM stereo experince and i > think it sounds nice.. I have checked the spark plug wires and even > tried a noise filter for the ignition and it didnt even reduce the > noise and static, is there anything else i could check? Sounds like a grounding problem to me. Experts? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Oct 26 00:33:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25304 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 07:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 07:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 07:33:05 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.186]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:35:54 -0500 Message-ID: <005f01c39b93$448572c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Am stereo/1992 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:32:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 It helps to put a ground strap on the hood to the body- but I would more suspect the electronic fuel pump- a real bugger on today's cars. Chris (whose body does not know it's standard time again) ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 2:10 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Am stereo/1992 From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 00:33:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7510 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 07:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 07:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 07:33:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20031026073321.52090.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:33:21 PDT Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT Radio going well this evening To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have a large hiigh pressure over NZ today and on sunset the band came alive-there was Disney on 1110 (heard them sing the name) 1120 hetrodynes,1130 CNN Headline news 1140 talking and 1150 Sport talking about the pacific northwest. Do you know who these are apart fro 1110 pres KDIS. Other stuff on other freqs too but NZ night wave is starting to envelop them and is cold outside tonight (we had a southerly today)lol. Michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 01:51:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41372 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 08:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 08:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 08:51:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 08:51:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:51:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Am stereo/1992 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005f01c39b93$448572c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 596 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It helps to put a ground strap on the hood to the body- but I would > more suspect the electronic fuel pump- a real bugger on today's > cars. Crackly buzzing that varies with engine speed = ignition noise Squealing whine that varies with engine speed = alternator noise Constant interference unrelated to engine speed = other sources (fuel pump, ECU, etc.) My own problem with AM interference in my car is a loud "pop" whenever the brake lights switch on or off. Even the turn signals and windshield wipers don't make this loud of a noise... just the brake lights. Any suggestions? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 01:56:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82414 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 08:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 08:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 08:56:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 08:56:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:56:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT Radio going well this evening Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031026073321.52090.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1668 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Like you guessed, 1110 is probably KDIS - Disney. They run 20kW at night. 1120 - don't know what station carries a hetrodyne format, but there is a 50kW directional station on the west coast - KPNW Eugene, OR - running a news format according to radio-locator.com 1130 - most likely CKWX Vancouver, BC, Canada. 1140 - could be KHTK Sacramento, CA (50kW), or remote possibility maybe KNWQ Palm Springs, CA (2,500 watts but focused directional pattern). 1150 - probably KXTA Los Angeles, CA. 44kW with a directional pattern mostly facing southwest. radio-locator nighttime coverage map / antenna pattern links: 1110 KDIS: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/KDIS_AM_LN.gif 1120 KPNW: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/KPNW_AM_LU.gif 1130 CKWX: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/CKWX_AM_FN.gif 1140 KHTK: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/KHTK_AM_LN.gif 1140 KNWQ: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/KNWQ_AM_LN.gif 1150 KXTA: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/KXTA_AM_LN.gif --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > > We have a large hiigh pressure over NZ today and on sunset the band came alive-there was Disney on 1110 (heard them sing the name) 1120 hetrodynes,1130 CNN Headline news 1140 talking and 1150 Sport talking about the pacific northwest. > > Do you know who these are apart fro 1110 pres KDIS. > > Other stuff on other freqs too but NZ night wave is starting to envelop them and is cold outside tonight (we had a southerly today)lol. > > Michael > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 03:57:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51062 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 11:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 11:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 11:57:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20031026115727.78304.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:57:27 PST Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:57:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Am stereo/1992 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > "amradiorocks2003" > wrote: > > > Thanks Kevin.., another question. Im getting > noise when im > > operating my radio in my truck with the engine > running on the AM > > band, rolling the window is the worst on it.. > Ewg..To listen to Am > > stereo around here its border line and when the > truck is started up > > the signal is to noise filled and it doesnt pick > up the stereo, 620 > > from Dallas is one of those, its my first AM > stereo experince and i > > think it sounds nice.. I have checked the spark > plug wires and > even > > tried a noise filter for the ignition and it didnt > even reduce the > > noise and static, is there anything else i could > check? > > Sounds like a grounding problem to me. Experts? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Indeed it does. Ford has a service bulletin for interference from the fuel pump on Explorers. This should also go for any other vehicle using the 4.0 V-6 in Ford vehicles. Ford is notorious for bad grounding. My Ranger has noise that wipes out the weaker signals on the MW band. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From jim@burgan.net Sun Oct 26 05:50:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70497 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 13:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 13:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-1.iquest.net) (206.246.180.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 13:50:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 4437 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 13:50:08 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-1.iquest.net with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 13:50:08 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-50.iquest.net [209.43.58.50]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with SMTP id ARX97056; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:50:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002501c39bc8$0efd4670$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "HD Radio Ready"? Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:50:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > And needless to say, that price will have to come WAY down before any > consumers start to consider it. Why spend $350 for an IBOC tuner, > just to receive a few local stations in pseudo-digital sound, when > you can get XM or Sirius satellite radio, with dozens of coast-to- > coast channels offering every type of music, for less than half that > price? Because IBOC does not require a monthly subscription fee. From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Oct 26 06:45:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99115 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 14:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 14:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 14:45:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 06:45:28 -0800 Received: from 172.163.126.179 by bay7-dav55.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:45:28 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Am stereo/1992 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:44:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2003 14:45:28.0590 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC603AE0:01C39BCF] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.163.126.179] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 amradiorocks2003 wrote: >Im getting noise when im operating my radio in my truck with the engine running on the AM band, First of all, remove the antenna lead from the radio and see if the noise goes away. If you still have noise it is getting in on the DC power line. If it goes away, it is being picked up by the antenna. If you getting noise from the antenna, first check with an ohm meter the resistance of the ground and center of the antenna cable. If it is more than an ohm or so, replace the antenna wire. Now check the antenna itself to see if the wires in the fiberglass whip are ok by popping off the little rubber tip and check the resistance from the base to the tip. If it is more than 1 ohm, replace it. C.Crane Company sells the best car AM radio antenna I have ever seen. It is well worth the bucks. If the noise is coming in over the DC power line, make up a filter capacitor/bypass capacitor and connect it to the power lead of the radio. Be sure to ground the filter to the firewall. The better your grounding is, the better your AM reception will be, period. Get some grounding braid and ground the Hood to the firewall. Ground the frame to the firewall. Ground the engine to the firewall AND the frame. Make sure the battery is grounded to the firewall as well as the frame. Ground both fenders to the firewall. Ground the doors to the fenders. Ground the bed to the frame. Ground the alternator to the engine block. NOW you are ready to go noise chasing! Put the truck up on jackstands, and get a GOOD portable radio such as a Grundig YB-400PE, and with the engine running crawl under the truck using the portable radio as a sniffer. If the noise is from the fuel tank, filter and bypass the power lead to the fuel pump. If the noise is from the computer, filter the power leads and make a sheet metal shield to go around the computer. Be sure to ground this shield to the firewall. Do the same with the ignition control module. To make a long story short, you can have "fun" noise chasing all day. It took me several weeks of on and off tinkering to get rid of the electrical noise in my Ford Ranger......then somebody ran a red light and T-Boned me totaling it out! Then I had to chase out the noise in my new Toyota Tacoma! Kevin From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Sun Oct 26 06:46:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24091 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 14:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 14:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 14:46:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 14:46:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:46:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Tivoli PAL impressions / Satellit 700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3375 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.68.38.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello Tony and everyone, Tony, I agree with your 700 statements. While the PAL's FM sound is very good for a portable, the RF qualities of the FM are not up to the 700's level. I too have the Satellit 700. RF-wise it it one of the best FM "tuners" I have encountered. Nothing fancy, just good solid engineering. The 700 is sensitive, resistant to mixing products, and very selective with 3 IF stages. With the 700's antenna fully extended, it is not swamped with local station images all over the dial. In fact, there are very few images. The RF is right up there with the best of tuners. The home tuner most resistant to mixing products is the Technics ST-9030. The PAL's FM is no slouch. It is fairly sensitive, moderately resistant to mixing products, and is somehat selective with 2 IF stages. Extending the antanna in my urban area produces more mixing products. Even so, for a portable, it's fairly good and much better than any Sony radio I've encountered. RF-wise the FM might be up to the Sangean ATS-909 level but with PAL's AFC it is difficult to tell. In my opinion, the AFC does hurt the DX capabilities of the radio. Presently, I'm working on a PAL conversion to AM stereo and am taking a look at what can be done for the FM. By taking a visual "guess" it looks like that the PAL uses a 4.7ufd capactor for AM AGC and FM AFC. I may experiment with reducing that value to 1ufd. I'm thinking that the change would speed up the AM AGC action and reduce the FM AFC capture range. To keep things a bit on topic, I find the PAL's AM capabilities to be fairly good. An alignment has not been tried but the sensitivity is OK, perhaps a bit less so on the ends of the dial, selectivity is pretty good, I can separate KAAM 770 (my AM stereo station) from a 760 sports station with virtually no interference. There may be one instance of a light image 910kc away from the primary frequency but there is fortunately/unfortunately a station on that frequency. There is a low level hetrodyne at 690 which I am assuming is the image from 1600. There is very, very little hiss from headphones so that is good news. The sound is powereful from the headphone out -- strong bass (is there some fixed bass boost?) but not overpowering. High notes are clear and pleasant. A bit of hiss is heard from the speaker but it isn't too bad and is virtually inaudible just a foot or so away. Background noise covers up the hiss easily. The sound from the speaker is "large" much, much better than any modern, small, portable radio I can think of. The aforementioned Satellit 700 and the Panasonic RF-2200 sound great but are *big* portables. The battery pack is interesting. It looks like it is six 1200ma AA NiMH cells wired in series (giving 7.2 volts). It may be (when this pack finally bites the dust) worth it to experiment wiring six of the higher capacity NiMH 1700ma AA cells in series and use the old pack's connector. To be fair, the PAL is marketed as a listener's radio (good sound) with good RF capabilities. I think it succeeds. It is not intended to be an AM/FM DX rig. Still, with a few modifications, I think the PAL can reasonably satisfy both worlds. Considering the size, recharge capability, sound, RF performance, and ignoring the non-trivial price, the Kloss/Tivoli PAL gets a conditional "thumbs up". Best regards, Paul Bigelow From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Oct 26 07:08:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27613 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 15:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 15:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 15:08:00 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.139]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:10:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c39bd2$d1838240$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tivoli PAL impressions / Satellit 700 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:07:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I did another tweak to the tivoli pal this morning (had an extra hour or so.. :-) and I completely removed the shield around the tuner assembly. Improvement in AM was remarkable, as the shield is grounding out theRF field. It was no secret Henry Kloss hated AM- he often said so. Removing the shield made no differenc to the FM. I did have to remove the beeswax from the ferrite and re-position it ever so slightly, and wedge a tooth pick in it- it is now really good! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: pabigelow From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 07:21:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43091 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 15:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 15:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 15:21:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20031026152104.43907.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:21:04 PST Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:21:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "HD Radio Ready"? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002501c39bc8$0efd4670$9802a8c0@jimspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jim Burgan wrote: > > And needless to say, that price will have to come > WAY down before any > > consumers start to consider it. Why spend $350 > for an IBOC tuner, > > just to receive a few local stations in > pseudo-digital sound, when > > you can get XM or Sirius satellite radio, with > dozens of coast-to- > > coast channels offering every type of music, for > less than half that > > price? > Because IBOC does not require a monthly subscription > fee. But broadcasters have to pay a HEFTY yearly fee to Ibiquity, and royalties on all data sent. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Sun Oct 26 07:34:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40031 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 15:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 15:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 15:34:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 15:34:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:34:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tivoli PAL impressions / Satellit 700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c39bd2$d1838240$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1148 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.68.38.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello Chris, Good work! I've thought about cutting some plastic spacers and moving the AM antenna off the board and further towards the rear of the set. I don't think the FM antenna screw will bother it. After the AM stereo modification by any chance did you try lifting pin 10 of the TEA5711 to block the AM IF signal from re-entering the IC? The only reason I can think of the shield being present is to reduce the capacitive effects of the hand being so close to the tuning circuit. Best regards, Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I did another tweak to the tivoli pal this morning (had an extra hour or > so.. :-) and I completely removed the shield around the tuner assembly. > Improvement in AM was remarkable, as the shield is grounding out theRF > field. It was no secret Henry Kloss hated AM- he often said so. Removing the > shield made no differenc to the FM. > I did have to remove the beeswax from the ferrite and re-position it ever so > slightly, and wedge a tooth pick in it- it is now really good! > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pabigelow From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Oct 26 07:40:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96499 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 15:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 15:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 15:40:23 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.139]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:43:14 -0500 Message-ID: <003e01c39bd7$5804f660$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tivoli PAL impressions / Satellit 700 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:39:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The circuit needs that signal for proper AGC- but I didn't try it myself.... I have it listed on ebay now, just for kicks to see what happens, so I best leave well enuff alone.... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: pabigelow To: Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tivoli PAL impressions / Satellit 700 > Hello Chris, > > Good work! > > I've thought about cutting some plastic spacers and moving the AM > antenna off the board and further towards the rear of the set. I > don't think the FM antenna screw will bother it. > > After the AM stereo modification by any chance did you try lifting pin > 10 of the TEA5711 to block the AM IF signal from re-entering the IC? > > The only reason I can think of the shield being present is to reduce > the capacitive effects of the hand being so close to the tuning circuit. > > Best regards, > > Paul Bigelow > From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Oct 26 07:45:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86801 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 15:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 15:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 15:45:49 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.139]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:48:39 -0500 Message-ID: <004801c39bd8$1a392620$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20031026152104.43907.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "HD Radio Ready"? Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:44:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 As well- it is still going to be the same awful programming content, HD or not. They might as well move these HD converters right from the assembly line to the close-out racks. People will not buy them. Another item to go into the wonderful world of failed ideas. DAT, DCC, Laserdisc, CED disc, 8 tracks...... et al. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Sun Oct 26 07:51:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11277 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 15:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 15:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 15:51:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 15:51:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:51:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tivoli PAL impressions / Satellit 700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003e01c39bd7$5804f660$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1380 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.68.38.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello Chris, Ooops! Missed that in the block diagram. Just trying to figure out an easy way to keep the AM mono from re-entering the audio and I guess there isn't as the AM IF goes straight to the AM detector and the FM audio and AM audio utilize the same line as they both go into the MPX. Ah well.... Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > The circuit needs that signal for proper AGC- but I didn't try it myself.... > I have it listed on ebay now, just for kicks to see what happens, so I best > leave well enuff alone.... > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pabigelow > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:34 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tivoli PAL impressions / Satellit 700 > > > > Hello Chris, > > > > Good work! > > > > I've thought about cutting some plastic spacers and moving the AM > > antenna off the board and further towards the rear of the set. I > > don't think the FM antenna screw will bother it. > > > > After the AM stereo modification by any chance did you try lifting pin > > 10 of the TEA5711 to block the AM IF signal from re-entering the IC? > > > > The only reason I can think of the shield being present is to reduce > > the capacitive effects of the hand being so close to the tuning circuit. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Paul Bigelow > > From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Oct 26 07:56:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89469 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 15:56:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 15:56:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 15:56:13 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.139]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:59:04 -0500 Message-ID: <006b01c39bd9$8e5bdf60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tivoli PAL impressions / Satellit 700 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:55:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Fear not- with that second AM balanced IF, you will not hear the mono AM. The decoder is very good with this circuit about not causing harmful side effects... just DO it!...... ;-) CC ----- Original Message ----- From: pabigelow To: Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tivoli PAL impressions / Satellit 700 > Hello Chris, > > Ooops! Missed that in the block diagram. Just trying to figure out an > easy way to keep the AM mono from re-entering the audio and I guess > there isn't as the AM IF goes straight to the AM detector and the FM > audio and AM audio utilize the same line as they both go into the MPX. > > Ah well.... > > Paul Bigelow From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Oct 26 09:08:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29022 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 17:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 17:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 17:08:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 17:08:34 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95827 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 14:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 14:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 14:04:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 14:04:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:04:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Am stereo/1992 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 478 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Oct 2003 17:08:34 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > My own problem with AM interference in my car is a loud "pop" > whenever the brake lights switch on or off. Even the turn signals > and windshield wipers don't make this loud of a noise... just the > brake lights. Any suggestions? How do you know it is the brake lights? Strange the turn signals don't do it too. Do you have anti lock brakes, might have something to do with that? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Oct 26 09:09:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61639 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 17:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 17:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 17:08:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 17:08:03 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62227 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 13:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 13:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 13:55:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 13:55:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:55:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Am stereo/1992 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005f01c39b93$448572c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 352 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Oct 2003 17:08:02 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > It helps to put a ground strap on the hood to the body- but I would > more suspect the electronic fuel pump- a real bugger on today's > cars. I never noticed any problem from the fuel pump, but the EGR valve has been a noise problem in all the recent cars I have owned. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Oct 26 09:10:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40521 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 17:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 17:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 17:10:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 17:09:19 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51540 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 17:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 17:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 17:03:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 17:03:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:03:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: "HD Radio Ready"? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004801c39bd8$1a392620$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 640 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.226 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Oct 2003 17:09:18 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > As well- it is still going to be the same awful programming content, > HD or not. They might as well move these HD converters right from > the assembly line to the close-out racks. People will not buy them. > Another item to go into the wonderful world of failed ideas. DAT, > DCC, Laserdisc, CED disc, 8 tracks...... et al. What was DCC? I know what the acronym means, but I don't have a clue about the actual device? "8 tracks" was hardly a failed idea, it had it's time in the sun and a fairly good run before it was eclipsed by the Compact Cassette. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Oct 26 09:10:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68785 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 17:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 17:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 17:10:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 17:08:51 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65058 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 14:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 14:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 14:15:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 14:15:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:15:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Where to find MCS 3050 Service manual? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 199 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Oct 2003 17:08:49 -0000 Anyone know where I might obtain a copy of the Service Manual for the MCS 3050? The MCS 3050 I bought through eBay has arrived, I will post my initial impressions of it in a later message. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 09:18:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19686 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 17:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 17:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 17:18:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 17:18:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:18:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: automotive AM radio interference Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 605 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > How do you know it is the brake lights? Strange the turn signals > don't do it too. Do you have anti lock brakes, might have > something to do with that? I know it's the brake light circuit that's causing the noise because it makes the "pop" whenever I step on the brake pedal (lights switch on) or let go of it (lights switch off). Therefore it's probably an electrically noisy brake light switch, but I don't know if replacing it would make any difference. And no, there's no ABS -- the car is a 1980 Audi 5000 Diesel, with the original Blaupunkt AM/FM radio and Hirschmann power antenna. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 09:23:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78646 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 17:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 17:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 17:23:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20031026172338.47879.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:23:38 PST Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:23:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "HD Radio Ready"? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" > wrote: > > As well- it is still going to be the same awful > programming content, > > HD or not. They might as well move these HD > converters right from > > the assembly line to the close-out racks. People > will not buy them. > > Another item to go into the wonderful world of > failed ideas. DAT, > > DCC, Laserdisc, CED disc, 8 tracks...... et al. > > What was DCC? I know what the acronym means, but I > don't have a clue > about the actual device? A digital means of recording on a cassette. Remember Sony's ELcassette ? "8 tracks" was hardly a > failed idea, it had > it's time in the sun and a fairly good run before it > was eclipsed by > the Compact Cassette. > > John They came out about the same time. Proponents of the 8 track said the compact cassette could NEVER be high fidielity, but the ORIGINAL Norelco / Phillips portable was really close. The 4 track was a broadcast Fidelipac at 3.75. I expect the reason a different cartridge was used for 8 track was, since it was proprietary and sealed, it couldn't be repaired and you could charge way more. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 09:36:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35528 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 17:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 17:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 17:36:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 17:36:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:36:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1289 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What was DCC? I know what the acronym means, but I don't have a > clue about the actual device? Digital Compact Cassette was a failed attempt to market a digital audio tape format that could play analog cassettes as well. DCC used an early form of MPEG audio compression (MPEG Layer I, or "MP1"). DCC's downfall was the legal fighting over copyright protection laws; the music industry feared that people would use DCCs to make and share "digitally perfect" copies of CDs. By the time this was resolved and DCC hit the marketplace, there was no consumer interest in it anymore, and the format was quickly abandoned. The music industry is now starting to sell so-called "copy-protected" CDs, which supposedly cannot be copied through a typical "CD ripper" program on a computer. This is done by purposely introducing flaws into the CD's digital data stream, with the assumption that a direct digital copy of the CD audio will make these errors audible, while the error correction of a conventional CD player will "fix" these errors without causing any audible glitches. However, this practice does NOT meet the official "Red Book" CD standards, so these copy- protected CDs are not allowed to have the traditional "Compact Disc Digital Audio" logo printed on them. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 09:43:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36582 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 17:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 17:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 17:42:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 17:42:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:42:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 8-tracks Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031026172338.47879.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 606 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The 4 track was a broadcast Fidelipac at 3.75. I > expect the reason a different cartridge was used for 8 > track was, since it was proprietary and sealed, it > couldn't be repaired and you could charge way more. 8-track tapes had many limitations -- such as the fact that it is impossible to rewind! Also, instead of just two "sides", the music had to be split up between four "programs", and on some 8-tracks, it would switch programs right in the middle of a song! You'd hear the music fade out, the "clunk" of the player switching tracks, and then the song would fade back in and continue. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 09:48:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81271 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 17:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 17:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 17:48:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 17:47:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:47:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: "HD Radio Ready"? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c39bc8$0efd4670$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 572 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > And needless to say, that price will have to come WAY down before any > > consumers start to consider it. Why spend $350 for an IBOC tuner, > > just to receive a few local stations in pseudo-digital sound, when > > you can get XM or Sirius satellite radio, with dozens of coast-to- > > coast channels offering every type of music, for less than half that > > price? > > Because IBOC does not require a monthly subscription fee. Well, then- So it is with AM and FM! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 09:55:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16436 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 17:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 17:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 17:55:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 17:55:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:55:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: "HD Radio Ready"? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031026152104.43907.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 338 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > Because IBOC does not require a monthly subscription > > fee. > > But broadcasters have to pay a HEFTY yearly fee to > Ibiquity, and royalties on all data sent. In -addition- to the $120-some thousand for the IBOC equipment. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 10:32:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74940 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 18:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 18:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 18:32:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 18:32:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:32:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: "HD Radio Ready"? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 605 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > What was DCC? I know what the acronym means, but I don't have a clue > about the actual device? "8 tracks" was hardly a failed idea, it had > it's time in the sun and a fairly good run before it was eclipsed by > the Compact Cassette. The Philips Digital Compact Cassette- Made by the same developers of the Compact Cassette 20-some years before. There were a number of reasons why this format failed, amongst them, the papes weren't stable enough. Radio Shack tried to promote DCC for a couple years. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 11:19:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47186 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 19:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 19:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 19:19:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20031026191942.79664.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:19:42 PST Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:19:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: BAANG! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Stuff from a new M8 solar flare reached this side of the earth around 1745 UTC and at 1800 UTC on the east coast the entire HF spectrum to 30 megahertz is mostly dead as a doornail. AND the new flare may have done a new CME. In stereo, where available... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 11:38:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71961 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 19:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 19:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 19:37:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20031026193758.65160.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:37:58 PST Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:37:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DCC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > The music industry is now starting to sell so-called > "copy-protected" > CDs, which supposedly cannot be copied through a > typical "CD ripper" > program on a computer. This is done by purposely > introducing flaws > into the CD's digital data stream, with the > assumption that a direct > digital copy of the CD audio will make these errors > audible, while > the error correction of a conventional CD player > will "fix" these > errors without causing any audible glitches. > However, this practice > does NOT meet the official "Red Book" CD standards, > so these copy- > protected CDs are not allowed to have the > traditional "Compact Disc > Digital Audio" logo printed on them. I thought it also screwed with the TOC. There are a lot of CD players and the CD drives in a lot of computers that will NOT play these discs. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 11:49:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39558 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 19:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 19:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 19:49:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 19:49:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:49:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Tivoli PAL impressions / Sangean ATS-909 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 368 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bossmsx2" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > FM might be up to > the Sangean ATS-909 level but with PAL's AFC it is difficult to > tell. Hrmph....I'm really glad you tell me this...I was actually going to buy a PAL to replace my ATS-909 (actually the Rat Shack clone) on an airchecking-to-minidisc trip I'm hoping to take...If there's not much of a difference, I'll save the cash. --Tony S. (Go Marlins!) From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Oct 26 11:55:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53287 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 19:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 19:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 19:55:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 19:55:37 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44117 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 18:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 18:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 18:32:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 18:32:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:32:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: MCS 3050 Impressions Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2503 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.189 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Oct 2003 19:55:35 -0000 This is a preliminary report on the MCS 3050 that I sniped away from Powell. Actually I probably did Powell a favor as it appears that the unit was dropped on each of the lower front corners, and the right rear corner in turn, from a height of about 30 inches onto a semi hard surface. Then it appears that it was picked up with one hand on the left side and the other on the right side and twisted, so that the cabinet was left with a noticeable twist to it, with the right rear maybe 0.25 inch or so higher than the rest of the unit. The packaging for shipment was abominable. Crushed newspaper was placed in a box little larger around than the tuner, but much deeper, then the tuner was placed on the crushed newspaper, no protection for the front panel and rear, and more crushed newspaper added to fill in above. In spite of this poor packing, I don't think the damage was caused during shipping, as the box would have to have been seriously damaged for the damage to the tuner to have occurred in the places it did during shipping. I didn't realize until yesterday that the eBay picture had been borrowed from Kevin's web page, and this of course made it impossible to visually judge its original condition. In spite of all this the tuner actually works. One human engineering feature I hate is the way the function indicator lights on the front panel are offset from the buttons that activate them, but with similar spacing, which leads to pushing the wrong buttons. The indicator lights should either be directly above the buttons they are associated with, or located in a completely unrelated area of the front panel. The AM reception of the MCS 3050 is better than the TX-11a, it doesn't have the high noise level of the TX-11a. Unfortunately the sound of the MCS 3050 is very gritty and sibilant on both AM and FM, while the sound of the TX-11a is undistorted save for the background hiss. The two stations that I tuned in that were broadcasting in C-Quam stereo are basically talk stations, making the usefulness of the C-Quam feature somewhat questionable. These are just my quick initial impressions, the antenna connectors on the MCS 3050 are not compatible with the AM and FM antenna systems I have, so I had to cobble the connections together. I will report further once I am able to straighten out the antenna connections and do some further listening. Does anyone have any idea where I can find a Service Manual for the MCS 3050? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Oct 26 11:55:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5592 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 19:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 19:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 19:55:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 19:55:53 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63237 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 18:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 18:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 18:37:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 18:37:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:37:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The IBOC folks can't count... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.189 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Oct 2003 19:55:53 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > A quote from the iBiquity web site: > > "HD Radio technology will allow broadcasters to compete on the > digital playing field of the 21st century and marks the most > significant advancement in radio broadcasting since the introduction > of FM stereo more than 50 years ago." > > I guess they think it's the year 2011 already? Or maybe they are thinking back to the original FM stereo experiments using an FM sub carrier, which predate the GE/Zenith system, and even the Crosby sum/difference system. The time frame would be about right for that. John From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 12:06:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91913 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 20:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 20:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 20:06:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20031026200616.23864.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:06:16 PST Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:06:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} MCS 3050 Impressions To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > background hiss. The > two stations that I tuned in that were broadcasting > in C-Quam stereo > are basically talk stations, making the usefulness > of the C-Quam > feature somewhat questionable. NOOO...you don't get it! It's even better. It allows the host of the talk show or politicians to talk out of both sides of their mouth, and if necessary use platform shift to their advantage !! Powell ( ducking ! ) ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Oct 26 12:30:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66199 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 20:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 20:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 20:30:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 20:30:00 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68809 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 18:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 18:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 18:49:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2003 18:49:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:49:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject:Re: "HD Radio Ready"? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031026172338.47879.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1493 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.95 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Oct 2003 20:30:00 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" < w4opw@y...> wrote: > A digital means of recording on a cassette. That much is obvious, it's "DCC" after all, the question was what was it more specifically? > Remember Sony's ELcassette ? Yes, but I'm not sure what that has to do with digital, or "DCC"? > They came out about the same time. Proponents of the > 8-track said the compact cassette could NEVER be high > fidielity, but the ORIGINAL Norelco / Phillips > portable was really close. I don't disagree, but that doesn't change the fact that the 8-track became a sucessfull automotive format quite a few years before the compact cassettte became widely popular in the automotive application. John From stodd@vippn.com Sun Oct 26 13:18:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32558 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 21:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 21:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 21:18:10 -0000 Message-ID: <006d01c39c06$abdc8a80$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NRSC Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:56:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I was going by rather faded memory. I knew what the two standards were, but couldn't remember the order they were issued. Not sure where the quote originated, but was in a list of humor items I got a few weeks ago. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "bta_50g" > > The bottom line is that my gut feel was correct, "NRSC-1" is the pre- > emphasis and audio lowpass filter standard, and "NRSC-2" is the RF > mask standard. > > Married men live longer than single men do, but married men are a > > lot more willing to die. > > Who was it that said that? From stodd@vippn.com Sun Oct 26 13:18:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45225 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 21:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 21:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 21:18:13 -0000 Message-ID: <006e01c39c06$acf9e160$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Am stereo/1992 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:05:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Ya missed one, Kevin- ground the end of the tailpipe to the frame. The exhaust system on some vehicles acts as an interference transmitting antenna. GREAT advice, otherwise. I'm saving this email of yours. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > The better your grounding is, the better your AM reception will be, period. > Get some grounding braid and ground the Hood to the firewall. Ground the > frame to the firewall. Ground the engine to the firewall AND the frame. Make > sure the battery is grounded to the firewall as well as the frame. Ground > both fenders to the firewall. Ground the doors to the fenders. Ground the > bed to the frame. Ground the alternator to the engine block. > From stodd@vippn.com Sun Oct 26 13:18:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40406 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 21:18:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 21:18:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 21:18:15 -0000 Message-ID: <006f01c39c06$adec7ec0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Am stereo/1992 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:10:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Put a cap across the brake switch and from the switch to ground (.05u or greater,)and a fat and nasty high current choke in series with the switch, probably on the lights side. Never had to do this, but it's where I would start. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > My own problem with AM interference in my car is a loud "pop" > whenever the brake lights switch on or off. Even the turn signals > and windshield wipers don't make this loud of a noise... just the > brake lights. Any suggestions? From stodd@vippn.com Sun Oct 26 13:26:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94926 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 21:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 21:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 21:26:31 -0000 Message-ID: <008b01c39c07$d98b6040$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where to find MCS 3050 Service manual? Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:26:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude try www.servicemanuals.net. Haven't checked it for this model myself, but have found numerous manuals there in the past. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "bta_50g" > Anyone know where I might obtain a copy of the Service Manual for the > MCS 3050? The MCS 3050 I bought through eBay has arrived, From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Oct 26 15:26:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30424 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 23:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 23:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 23:25:59 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.63]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:28:50 -0500 Message-ID: <00d001c39c18$62150a00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 8-tracks Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:25:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Hey!- I have many fond memories of 8 (ca-chunk) tracks! I had an under dash Motorola job, diecast and chrome- I still remember exactly where the tracks changed on Iron Butterfly.... and stuffing matchbooks under one corner to keep tapes from dragging... Pulling out the tape and "snapping" it back in to make it run again.... Went to cassette in 72 and never looked back. Oh- except for building a jukebox mechanism into the trunk of my 1958 Lincoln convertable, and using the wallbox buttons mounted under the dash to have a record player on wheels. It worked surprisingly well. I still love vinyl- the format that will never say die. cc From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Oct 26 15:27:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89352 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 23:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2003 23:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 23:27:13 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.63]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:30:05 -0500 Message-ID: <00d601c39c18$8ed6dd20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: car radio antenna?? Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:26:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Too little sleep.... who just posted about a superior car antenna? I lost the post cc From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Oct 26 16:20:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37742 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2003 00:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2003 00:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2003 00:20:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:19:59 -0800 Received: from 172.139.202.144 by bay7-dav27.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:19:59 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <00d601c39c18$8ed6dd20$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: car radio antenna?? Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:19:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2003 00:19:59.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[0ED19A90:01C39C20] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.139.202.144] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Chris Cuff wrote: > Too little sleep.... who just posted about a superior car antenna? I lost the post I did about the antenna that C Crane sells http://www.ccrane.com/auto_antennas.asp Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 17:34:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94810 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2003 01:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2003 01:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2003 01:34:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20031027013405.22463.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.69] by web60104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:34:05 PST Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:34:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "HD Radio Ready"? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" < > w4opw@y...> wrote: > > A digital means of recording on a cassette. > > That much is obvious, it's "DCC" after all, the > question was what was > it more specifically? > > > Remember Sony's ELcassette ? > > Yes, but I'm not sure what that has to do with > digital, or "DCC"? I was mentioning dead recording formats... > > They came out about the same time. Proponents of > the > > 8-track said the compact cassette could NEVER be > high > > fidielity, but the ORIGINAL Norelco / Phillips > > portable was really close. > > I don't disagree, but that doesn't change the fact > that the 8-track > became a sucessfull automotive format quite a few > years before the > compact cassettte became widely popular in the > automotive application. > John That's true. I even have a few new blank 8 tracks somewhere. I had a 78 Mercury Zephyr that had an AM radio with 8 track that never worked right. It played in between tracks and I never had it fixed. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 18:50:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18605 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2003 02:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2003 02:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2003 02:50:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2003 02:50:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 02:50:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: car radio antenna?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 565 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I did about the antenna that C Crane sells > http://www.ccrane.com/auto_antennas.asp Except for the loading coil, it's really the same as the extra-long antennas that auto parts stores have been selling for decades. Look for the one that's over 50" when fully extended, versus the regular- size antennas, which are typically 28 to 31 inches high. That extra length will noticeably improve AM sensitivity, although the extra wind resistence might cut down on your gas mileage a bit (but the spring-coil flex joint does help, versus a solid-mast antenna). From amstereo@optushome.com.au Mon Oct 27 01:56:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88458 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2003 09:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2003 09:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail001.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.142) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2003 09:56:44 -0000 Received: from allathlon (c210-49-44-50.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.44.50]) by mail001.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id h9R9ugb05010 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:56:42 +1100 Message-ID: <000701c39c70$b2aba750$2302a8c0@allathlon> To: References: <1067246257.338.94173.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: car radio antenna Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:57:14 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "amstereo - matt2" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e those antannas are available in australia for AUD30 from the cheap car parts shop super cheap auto. i used one with my alfredo, and i can get exceptional transmit distance, like way too strong for my aiwa CSD-805 - 10 - 15 M away works very well for reception. i used Chris' idea with the AM antanna coil as a tuning cap From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Oct 27 06:55:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47136 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2003 14:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2003 14:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2003 14:55:35 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:55:35 -0700 Message-ID: <00ae01c39c9a$607d31e0$5401010a@AM> To: References: <20031026200616.23864.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} MCS 3050 Impressions Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:55:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lol!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 1:06 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} MCS 3050 Impressions NOOO...you don't get it! It's even better. It allows the host of the talk show or politicians to talk out of both sides of their mouth, and if necessary use platform shift to their advantage !! Powell ( ducking ! ) ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 09:37:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45389 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2003 17:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2003 17:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2003 17:37:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2003 17:36:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:36:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1992/noise Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 151 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.56 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 Thanks everyone for your suggestions, im going try them ideas, cause right now, even the strongest stations have a fair amount of noise right now. From stodd@vippn.com Mon Oct 27 18:25:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76125 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2003 02:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2003 02:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2003 02:25:15 -0000 Message-ID: <004001c39cfa$bccfd500$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: an interesting little find Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:19:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was thumbing through the Digi-Key catalog and noticed they had readily available 3.64MHz crystals. I immediately thought of our problem obtaining resonators at that freq. The big downside is they wouldn't permit a wide enough lock-in range for analog sets which are mostly 455kHz, and digital sets are typically 450kHz. These are also in the HC-6U style can, so they're not all that small, either. Scott Todd Married men live longer than single men do, but married men are a lot more willing to die. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 21:55:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84812 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2003 05:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2003 05:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2003 05:55:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20031028055526.436.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:55:26 PST Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:55:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: DCC Format To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio bta50 mentioned the DCC - Digital Compact Cassette format. It was a classic VHS vs. Beta battle, this time DCC vs MiniDisc, and the Sony product won this time around (minidisc). DCC would only put Philips/Polygram artists on their DCC tapes, and Sony would put only Columbia/Epic artists on their prerecorded Minidiscs. I actually think that you had a much better sound with DCC over the MD, but the ease of adding a title plus instant track access made MDs more attractive to the masses. Another note, playing a 5 year old DCC tape, and there are quite a bit of digital dropouts and almost a 'skipping', so it hasn't held-up with time. The one neat thing about DCC decks was the ability to play analog cassettes in the DCC player, but you could NOT record analog cassettes in a DCC. AM Stereo - minidiscs spew noise into the tuner when close, but so did DCC. Topic for next time: 3-inch CD singles (something that would save the record companies heartburn if they used these as $1.99 "45's" instead of suing people.) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Oct 28 00:21:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56014 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2003 08:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2003 08:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2003 08:21:41 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.161]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 03:24:35 -0500 Message-ID: <002b01c39d2c$62570da0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20031028055526.436.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} DCC Format Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 03:20:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The DCC format, like DAT, uses a rotary head, like a camcorder. This leads itself into all sorts of problems- Alignment, motor wear, incompatability between identical machines after being used for a while, on and on. Our company services the mini DV camcorders, and they are proving to be a nightmare. Now, the good old 8mm is a wonderful system, and Hi8, with stereo, is the cats pajamas. Now, you can get a great camcorder for super cheap if you want the "old" format.... progress.... As for 3" CD's at $1.99- I wish it were so. So many of the new artists I like make CD's with 1 or 2 good songs. Of course, I would be happy to be able to go in any store and buy a 45 again...... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:55 AM Subject: {AMSF} DCC Format > bta50 mentioned the DCC - Digital Compact Cassette format. > From jim@burgan.net Tue Oct 28 05:34:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8754 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2003 13:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2003 13:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-2.iquest.net) (206.246.180.52) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2003 13:34:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 81711 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2003 13:34:27 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-2.iquest.net with SMTP; 28 Oct 2003 13:34:27 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-187.iquest.net [209.43.58.187]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with SMTP id ASG50278; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:34:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001f01c39d58$33cc3650$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20031028055526.436.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c39d2c$62570da0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} DCC Format Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:34:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 I bought a DCC at Radio Shack when they first came out. I was already using a Sony DAT for my mobile-DJ business and finding a machine with digital audio that played standard cassettes would eliminate 1 pc of equipment to lug around. I kept it for a day or two, then took it back. The copy-protection was unbelievable.. you couldn't do a 'digital recording of a CD. You had to play the CD and record the tape, which was a digital to analog, analog to digital conversion. I had a Technics CD player with a digital output that plugged directly into my DAT, and had been 'ripping CD's' to DAT for a couple of years, but the DCC wouldn't let me do that. There were several other limitations to the DCC, such as putting 'start ID's and being able to cue to the audio, so I took it back and went elsewhere to buy another DAT. I got out of the Mobile DJ biz several years ago, but I still have DAT machines and they work fine. I also have a couple of blank DCC's. I wonder if they'd fetch anything on eBay :-) -Jim- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 09:35:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39032 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2003 17:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2003 17:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2003 17:35:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2003 17:35:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:35:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DCC Format Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c39d58$33cc3650$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 837 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I also have a couple of blank DCC's. I wonder if they'd fetch > anything on eBay :-) They're like 2.88 MB floppy disks (remember those!?).... priceless to those who need them, worthless to those who don't. In the case of 2.88 MB floppies, there was nothing really flawed about the format; just like dozens of other removable storage formats that have come and gone over the years (remember LS-120?), it just wasn't attractive and/or inexpensive enough to become popular. Then, there were products that were truly ahead of their time, and thus didn't receive the popularity they deserved, like the Casio SK-1 digital sampling keyboard, from 1986: http://www.tonymason.com/casio/sk1.cfm A few years later, the SK-1 showed up in the DAK catalog (remember that?), and of course Drew Kaplan made quite a fancy write-up for it. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 12:33:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42857 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2003 20:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2003 20:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2003 20:33:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2003 20:33:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:33:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DANGIT!! RRGH!! Yet ANOTHER tragic loss & a waste of 50kW! :( Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 325 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=64287&Board=la http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=64630&Board=la http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=67313&Board=la (this post by me) http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=66424&Board=la http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=66518&Board=la From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 13:31:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23603 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2003 21:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2003 21:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2003 21:31:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2003 21:31:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:31:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DANGIT!! RRGH!! Yet ANOTHER tragic loss & a waste of 50kW! :( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 292 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Ah, yes....You have seen the post I made a few days ago... So far, most of the posters have been anti-AM Stereo, several blaming the 'interference' in the past on their radios to KNX's Stereo....Apparently, their exciter is still on, but no separation after GM George Nicholaw was fired. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 14:05:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8771 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2003 22:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2003 22:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2003 22:05:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2003 22:05:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:05:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DANGIT!! RRGH!! Yet ANOTHER tragic loss & a waste of 50kW! :( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 600 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > Ah, yes....You have seen the post I made a few days ago... > > So far, most of the posters have been anti-AM Stereo, several blaming > the 'interference' in the past on their radios to KNX's > Stereo....Apparently, their exciter is still on, but no separation > after GM George Nicholaw was fired. ssshhhh.... don't tell the iboc / anti-stereo people, but.... stations that run mono should run a 400Hz lowpass (or lower) audio filter, with a gradual rolloff up to 2KHz. ;) (oh, and a brick-wall 300Hz highpass filter) From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Oct 28 15:30:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93558 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2003 23:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2003 23:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2003 23:30:47 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-56-192.rev.o1.com [66.81.56.192]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9SNUiv54396; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:30:44 -0800 Message-ID: <001101c39dab$44137480$c0385142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: KNX 1070 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:28:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 On there site a about 1 1/2 years ago they where showing that thay where replaceing there transmitter plant bilding . Thay had a lot of pics . And i saw on my local tv station that Sony is going through lay offs down sizeing to stay compedative. www.knx1070.com From bratina501@msn.com Tue Oct 28 16:18:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28447 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2003 00:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2003 00:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2003 00:18:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2003 00:18:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:18:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DANGIT!! RRGH!! Yet ANOTHER tragic loss & a waste of 50kW! :( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 436 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.56 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > Ah, yes....You have seen the post I made a few days ago... > > So far, most of the posters have been anti-AM Stereo, several blaming > the 'interference' in the past on their radios to KNX's > Stereo....Apparently, their exciter is still on, but no separation > after GM George Nicholaw was fired. Really no more "All you need to know" sounders in stereo? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 16:22:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80083 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2003 00:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2003 00:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2003 00:22:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2003 00:22:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:22:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DANGIT!! RRGH!! Yet ANOTHER tragic loss & a waste of 50kW! :( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key A couple ideas for rules I'd like to see implemented: All commercial stations over 500 watts (non-commercial over 5kW) are required to broadcast in AM Stereo. Stations on the graveyard channels (1230, 1240, 1340, 1400, 1450, and 1490) are excepted from this rule solely if the company owns no more than four stations, and not exceeding one in a market. If a company owns or operates a number of stations equal to or greater than 10 nationwide, or 2 in an individual market, ALL stations owned or operated by that company are required to broadcast in AM Stereo regardless of license class, transmitter frequency, or radiated power. Stations that broadcast in AM Stereo must provide a stereo feed whenever possible, unless the programming is unavailable in stereo. Basically, "pilot tone trickery", or lighting the pilot light but broadcasting in mono, is strictly forbidden. All AM receivers and tuners manufactured in the USA must meet minimum technical specifications for selectivity, sensitivity, ... (and a few other things). The rules for home tuners are more strict than for portable radios, but analog-tuning portables must at least be as sensitive and selective as a Sony SRF-42, and must have an audio frequency response of 40Hz to 8KHz. Home tuners must have at least 12dB of extra sensitivity than portables, and must have an audio response of 27Hz to 10KHz. However, a narrower audio response is permitted, not to be less than 6KHz, if the selectivity is at least 18dB better than a Sony SRF-42. From bratina501@msn.com Tue Oct 28 16:36:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4039 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2003 00:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2003 00:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2003 00:36:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2003 00:36:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:36:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DANGIT!! RRGH!! Yet ANOTHER tragic loss & a waste of 50kW! :( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 748 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.56 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > A couple ideas for rules I'd like to see implemented: > > All commercial stations over 500 watts (non-commercial over 5kW) are > required to broadcast in AM Stereo. Stations on the graveyard > channels (1230, 1240, 1340, 1400, 1450, and 1490) are excepted from > this rule solely if the company owns no more than four stations, I think something like that might not happen. There is a station on 1490 in my area that is still in stereo and has very clean sound but does not come in well outside the Kelso Longview area since there are other stations on 1490 that cause platform motion so bad that it almost completely distroys their stereo signal. From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Oct 28 16:55:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49662 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2003 00:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2003 00:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2003 00:55:51 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-43-67.rev.o1.com [66.81.43.67]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9T0tnu75852; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:55:49 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c39db7$263cca40$432b5142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: knx Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:54:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hopefuly thay wont go to rap i mean K-rap! And Icrap ! Jim S From stodd@vippn.com Tue Oct 28 18:20:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91505 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2003 02:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2003 02:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2003 02:20:39 -0000 Message-ID: <003201c39dc3$440ea5a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DANGIT!! RRGH!! Yet ANOTHER tragic loss & a waste of 50kW! :( Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:17:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not even FMs are required to be in stereo so what makes you think this would fly. Nice sentiment, being an AM stereo guy myself, but with the possible exception of some receiver standards none of it would likely be implemented. And the RX standards would require the owners of enough AMs to create enough of a ruckus that it could be heard all the way to the FCC. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > > All commercial stations over 500 watts (non-commercial over 5kW) are > required to broadcast in AM Stereo. From stodd@vippn.com Tue Oct 28 18:20:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88134 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2003 02:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2003 02:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2003 02:20:42 -0000 Message-ID: <003301c39dc3$44f9a1e0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DANGIT!! RRGH!! Yet ANOTHER tragic loss & a waste of 50kW! :( Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:19:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Was this on a message board or another reflector? Where is it? I'd like to read the reactions. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony" > Ah, yes....You have seen the post I made a few days ago... From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 19:07:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83675 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2003 03:06:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2003 03:06:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2003 03:06:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2003 03:06:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 03:06:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DANGIT!! RRGH!! Yet ANOTHER tragic loss & a waste of 50kW! :( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c39dc3$44f9a1e0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 373 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Was this on a message board or another reflector? Where is it? > I'd like to > read the reactions. Go to: www.radio-info.com Click on 'boards', then "Los Angeles"...Look for the posts about George Nicholaw, KNX, and AM Stereo....To post you have to get a username, which is free. --Tony S. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 19:38:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75094 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2003 03:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2003 03:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2003 03:38:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2003 03:38:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 03:38:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: the "graveyard" channels Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2328 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There is a station on 1490 in my area that is still in stereo and > has very clean sound but does not come in well outside the Kelso > Longview area since there are other stations on 1490 that cause > platform motion so bad that it almost completely distroys their > stereo signal. A lot of the nighttime interference and platform motion issues on the "graveyard" channels would be greatly alleviated if all stations across the country were required to have their carrier frequency locked to a universal standard, such as GPS. I believe the FCC allows a +/- 20 Hz tolerance, which doesn't seem like much, but even a few Hz difference in carrier frequency between two co-channel stations can create an annoying fluttering effect, and can also cause platform motion on older AM Stereo receivers. If the difference is more than 10 Hz or so, the fluttering turns into a warbling or buzzing effect, and can become strong enough to seriously degrade reception of either station. When you add up the cumulative effect of hundreds of stations transmitting on the same channel, then you end up with the infamous "graveyard channel" effect -- best described as "a big room full of people talking", where no one voice -- or signal -- can rise above the noise level enough to be intelligible. If all these stations were transmitting on *exactly* the same carrier frequency, such as in synchronous operation, then while you'd still hear the stations' audio blending together, the interference effects described above wouldn't occur, nor would AM Stereo platform motion. Here and elsewhere, people keep coming up with extravagant plans to massively reorganize the AM band, to such an extent that it is simply impossible for such a scheme to ever be realistically accomplished. However, THIS solution -- locking all AM station's carriers to GPS -- _IS_ realistically possible, without much trouble or expense, and would provide the goal of "cleaning up" the AM band, to such an extent that further changes may not be necessary. In fact, the one GOOD thing about IBOC is that all AM IBOC stations are required to lock their carrier to GPS, for the exact reason I described. But of course, you can take that method and apply it to ALL AM stations, including the vast majority that don't and will not use IBOC. From bratina501@msn.com Tue Oct 28 19:55:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47682 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2003 03:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2003 03:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2003 03:55:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2003 03:55:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 03:55:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: the "graveyard" channels Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2568 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.56 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > There is a station on 1490 in my area that is still in stereo and > > has very clean sound but does not come in well outside the Kelso > > Longview area since there are other stations on 1490 that cause > > platform motion so bad that it almost completely distroys their > > stereo signal. > > A lot of the nighttime interference and platform motion issues on the > "graveyard" channels would be greatly alleviated if all stations > across the country were required to have their carrier frequency > locked to a universal standard, such as GPS. > > I believe the FCC allows a +/- 20 Hz tolerance, which doesn't seem > like much, but even a few Hz difference in carrier frequency between > two co-channel stations can create an annoying fluttering effect, and > can also cause platform motion on older AM Stereo receivers. If the > difference is more than 10 Hz or so, the fluttering turns into a > warbling or buzzing effect, and can become strong enough to seriously > degrade reception of either station. > > When you add up the cumulative effect of hundreds of stations > transmitting on the same channel, then you end up with the infamous > "graveyard channel" effect -- best described as "a big room full of > people talking", where no one voice -- or signal -- can rise above > the noise level enough to be intelligible. > > If all these stations were transmitting on *exactly* the same carrier > frequency, such as in synchronous operation, then while you'd still > hear the stations' audio blending together, the interference effects > described above wouldn't occur, nor would AM Stereo platform motion. > > Here and elsewhere, people keep coming up with extravagant plans to > massively reorganize the AM band, to such an extent that it is simply > impossible for such a scheme to ever be realistically accomplished. > > However, THIS solution -- locking all AM station's carriers to GPS -- > _IS_ realistically possible, without much trouble or expense, and > would provide the goal of "cleaning up" the AM band, to such an > extent that further changes may not be necessary. In fact, the one > GOOD thing about IBOC is that all AM IBOC stations are required to > lock their carrier to GPS, for the exact reason I described. But of > course, you can take that method and apply it to ALL AM stations, > including the vast majority that don't and will not use IBOC. That explains why I have had trouble getting KLOG on my SRF-42. From brian60420@yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 20:10:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52382 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2003 04:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2003 04:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80604.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2003 04:09:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20031029040920.50798.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.53.254.101] by web80604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:09:20 PST Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:09:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001701c398e6$4a42d5e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: brian60420 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I broke the capacitor suggested in another message thread and my FM performance improved significantly. I guess that puts me in the SRF-42 club. brian Chris Cuff wrote: >There is only 1 radio (affordable portable) that meets AMAX, and that is the >SRF42. The FM on mine is awful, and I have 3, so it is in the design- very >muddy, difficult to capture stereo, but for AM stereo, it is my favorite. >CC --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Oct 29 03:21:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23858 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2003 11:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2003 11:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2003 11:21:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2003 11:21:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:21:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: KNX 1070 stereo -- and fires. Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 965 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I can confirm KNX 1070 of Los Angeles, CA as of 3:07am PST is pilot- only, no stereo. Speculation: Considering KNX is completely wired for stereo now, and the transmitter is still broadcasting a pilot, I believe this may be a situation involving the Studio-to-Transmitter Link (STL), either directly or indirectly affected by the rampant firestorms in the LA area. Many services have been cut due to loss of lines caused by the fires. I would worry if things aren't restored within 2 weeks. AMS listeners in the Southern California area should let the station know of your concern over the loss of stereo content, but don't get into the politics of the station just yet. Additionally, I won't be online for the next week starting Thursday night, as I'll be away for a week. This might make a few of you happy. Those I still need to email- If I have the time, I will. If not, I'll be back in a week. :) Things are hectic right now. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 29 20:48:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35708 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2003 04:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2003 04:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2003 04:48:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2003 04:48:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 04:48:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Skywave-free AM Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 950 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.155 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The recent solar flares have definitely affected nighttime reception on the AM band; skywave propagation over land is virtually non- existent, leaving the regional and "graveyard" channels amazingly clear. Tonight, my reception of local and semi-local stations is essentially like it is during the daytime, except the stations are transmitting with their nighttime signal patterns and power levels. The only skywave that I can receive is from coastal or Caribbean stations, indicating that there is still some skywave activity over water paths. In fact, due to the lack of interference from skywave over land, these stations are coming in more clearly than normal, and this opens up some interesting DXing opportunities. For example, I am hearing a Spanish station on 750 kHz, which is reported to be Radio Caracas, from Caracas, Venezuela -- and that's here in New Jersey, on my MCS 3050 tuner with a Terk AM Advantage loop antenna. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 01:25:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52002 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2003 09:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2003 09:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2003 09:25:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20031030092540.77035.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.106] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:25:40 PST Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:25:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Skywave-free AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Early I had a good bit of skywave, more than I thought but after 2 the bottom fell out.. If the A index is above 10 BCB skip suffers. NOTE, earlier the A index during the day was 400. See: :Product: Geophysical Alert Message wwv.txt :Issued: 2003 Oct 30 0601 UTC # Prepared by the US Dept. of Commerce, NOAA, Space Environment Center # # Geophysical Alert Message # Solar-terrestrial indices for 29 October follow. Solar flux 279 and mid-latitude A-index 180. The mid-latitude K-index at 0600 UTC on 30 October was 7 (228 nT). Space weather for the past 24 hours has been extreme. Geomagnetic storms reaching the G5 level occurred. Solar radiation storms reaching the S3 level occurred. Radio blackouts reaching the R4 level occurred. Space weather for the next 24 hours is expected to be extreme. Geomagnetic storms reaching the G5 level are expected. Solar radiation storms reaching the S3 level are expected. Radio blackouts reaching the R3 level are expected. ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Oct 30 02:23:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47314 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2003 10:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2003 10:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2003 10:23:29 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-57-114.rev.o1.com [66.81.57.114]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9UANPn74362; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:23:26 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c39ecf$98560920$72395142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: Hay now Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:34:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hay now this is about am stereo. And knx still sound in am stereo forced and pilot. Jim S From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Oct 30 02:23:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7143 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2003 10:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2003 10:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2003 10:23:31 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-57-114.rev.o1.com [66.81.57.114]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9UANTn64752; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:23:29 -0800 Message-ID: <000801c39ecf$998428e0$72395142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: skywave Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:21:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 I have notest that knx sky wave is comeing 600 miles away from me have not been comeing in very good like normal. But kfrc has been comeing great until 2 am pst thay are only a 100 mile from me with 5kw non directional .Day time ground wave is great from them. Jim S From sarmiento5@yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 05:22:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: sarmiento5@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43159 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2003 13:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2003 13:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2003 13:22:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2003 13:22:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:22:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo in other countries Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 188 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "sarmiento5" X-Originating-IP: 200.31.21.203 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68307774 X-Yahoo-Profile: sarmiento5 Hello everybody. Did someone know about using AM Stereo in Colombia (SouthAmerica).....? ..if there is AM Stereo in there, why or why not?, or any other information... Thanks. Esteban. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Oct 30 07:03:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11507 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2003 15:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2003 15:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2003 15:03:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2003 15:03:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:03:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: skywave Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c39ecf$998428e0$72395142@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 388 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.23.183 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" wrote: > I have notest that knx sky wave is comeing 600 miles away from me have not > been comeing in very good like normal. But kfrc has been comeing great > until 2 am pst thay are only a 100 mile from me with 5kw non directional > .Day time ground wave is great from them. Jim S NO 'e' in Coming actually! From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 09:44:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49868 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2003 17:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2003 17:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2003 17:44:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2003 17:44:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:44:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo in other countries Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 780 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.54 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "sarmiento5" wrote: > Hello everybody. > Did someone know about using AM Stereo in Colombia > (SouthAmerica).....? ..if there is AM Stereo in there, why or why > not?, or any other information... Columbia, Panama, Ecuador, Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, Costa Rica and Chile all are known to have or have had AM stereo broadcasters. Others include: USA, Canada, Mexico, Bahamas, Dominican Republic, Turks & Cacos (spelling?- I think), South Africa, Swaziland, Lesotho, Spain (used to, anyway), France, Ireland (unofficially), Netherlands (soon), Thailand, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Philipines, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand (also used to), and Hong Kong, and Italy. Might have missed a few. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Thu Oct 30 11:21:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50752 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2003 19:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2003 19:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2003 19:21:19 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c39f1b$0b4c77c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: skywave Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:21:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude bad spelurs of the owrld- untie! :) In all seriousness, now, we must do all we can to present ourselves as a literate and polite bunch of folks. As with everything else in life, it will favorably reflect upon who we are and make our arguments that more respected, which could even result in saving AM stereo- which is why most of us are here. Sloppiness in spelling, grammar, and attitude will cause folks to think of us as nothing more than a bunch of shlubs who are not to be taken seriously. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" > wrote: > > I have notest that knx sky wave is comeing 600 miles away from > me have not > > been comeing in very good like normal. But kfrc has been comeing > great > > until 2 am pst thay are only a 100 mile from me with 5kw non > directional > > .Day time ground wave is great from them. Jim S > > NO 'e' in Coming actually! From stodd@vippn.com Thu Oct 30 12:16:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37488 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2003 20:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2003 20:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2003 20:16:46 -0000 Message-ID: <001001c39f22$c89c5960$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's up with Salem? Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:16:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude He put his Optimods in 5kHz mode to see if anyone would notice. It's been that way for a month, and so far you're the only one who has, or at least noticed and actually said something. Sure is an indictment against the bulk of AM receivers. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Within the past week or so, Salem's two New York City-area Christian > stations, 570 WMCA and 970 WWDJ, have both reduced their audio > bandwidth down to 5 kHz. I wonder if this a foreshadowing of them > planning to use IBOC, or if they just decided that since neither > station plays any music anymore, a 5 kHz bandwidth is sufficient for > their talk programming. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 13:34:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10676 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2003 21:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2003 21:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2003 21:34:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2003 21:34:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:34:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What's up with Salem? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c39f22$c89c5960$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 437 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > noticed and actually said something. Sure is an indictment against > the bulk > of AM receivers. I don't think many people will notice the decreased bandwidth aspect of analog audio of an IBOC station...Took me a while to tell the difference about that part of WQAM's analog audio...The problem is, wide or narrow, you can't seem to do away with 'buzzing' noises and other forms of interference to the analog signal. --Tony S. From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Oct 30 16:12:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58192 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2003 00:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2003 00:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2003 00:12:47 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-213-60.rev.o1.com [66.81.213.60]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9V0Cja68664; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:12:45 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c39f43$7268c580$3cd55142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: spelling Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:10:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Sorry guys but my spelling is not that strong nor is my nor my reading. So just bear with me guys. JIM S From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 16:38:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93280 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2003 00:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2003 00:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2003 00:38:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2003 00:38:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:38:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What's up with Salem? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c39f22$c89c5960$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1179 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > He put his Optimods in 5kHz mode to see if anyone would notice. > It's been that way for a month, and so far you're the only one who > has, or at least noticed and actually said something. Sure is an > indictment against the bulk of AM receivers. Well, WMCA and WWDJ are bottom-rated stations that seem to run more infomercials than anything else, so few people are listening in the first place. Then, out of those who do listen and who have noticed the difference in sound, both stations rarely run live call-in programming, so finding some way to get in touch with them in not that easy. Even high-rated mainstream talk stations face this problem; out of all the people that listen, only a small percentage ever call in, even during contests where they could win a prize just for being caller number "X". But at least WMCA and WWDJ are using a clean, undistorted 5 kHz filter, unlike that of WOR, whose 5 kHz filter pollutes the audio with all sorts of ringing and aliasing effects. And 570 WMCA's reduced bandwidth does allow for improved reception of their sister station 560 WFIL in Philadelphia, which continues to broadcast with full NRSC bandwidth. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 17:37:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62410 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2003 01:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2003 01:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2003 01:36:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2003 01:36:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:36:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What's up with Salem? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 321 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > And 570 WMCA's > reduced bandwidth does allow for improved reception of their sister > station 560 WFIL Listening to the Marlins games on 560/WQAM, with their IBOC induced reduced bandwidth at night, I was getting the morse code IDs of Cuba's Radio Reloj (on 570) when I had my SRF-A100 in "Wide" mode. --tony s. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 18:57:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55974 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2003 02:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2003 02:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2003 02:57:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2003 02:57:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:57:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What's up with Salem? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 810 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Listening to the Marlins games on 560/WQAM, with their IBOC > induced reduced bandwidth at night, I was getting the morse code > IDs of Cuba's Radio Reloj (on 570) when I had my SRF-A100 in > "Wide" mode. I get Reloj on 570 kHz all the way up here in NJ at night, underneath local 570 WMCA, so they have some great skip up the East coast. I also hear Reloj on 950 kHz, underneath semi-local 950 WPEN, and sometimes Radio Rebelde on 670 kHz, fighting with Chicago's 670 WSCR. These Cuban stations are reported to be using old Czech-built 120,000-watt transmitters, which -- just like most of Cuba's automobiles -- are decades-old relics which have been frugally preserved through the use of assorted jury-rigged parts. Cuba's FM transmitters, though, are a bit more modern; some are even using RDS! From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 19:29:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2957 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2003 03:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2003 03:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2003 03:28:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2003 03:28:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 03:28:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What's up with Salem? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 468 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > I get Reloj on 570 kHz all the way up here in NJ at night When I worked at WAXY-790 in Miami back in '95, the jamming from Reloj on 790 in Pinar Del Rio was so severe, it would come out in our on air monitor! > relics which have been frugally > preserved The Ampex tape machines and Gates consoles from pre-Castro commercial Cuban radio survived until the mid-70s...People that I work with used to work in Cuban radio and were witnesses to this. --Tony S. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 22:26:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62905 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2003 06:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2003 06:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.34) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2003 06:26:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20031031062612.37432.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:26:12 PST Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:26:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Get your radios ready tonight To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On a Dx MW site they reckon the MW Dx is as good as the 26th tonight I can get 1110 hetrodynes already and its only 710pm and the sun is still up in the west. It may be good from the west coast tonight too. Michael Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 23:57:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11920 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2003 07:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2003 07:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2003 07:57:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20031031075742.75143.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:57:42 PST Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:57:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Get your radios ready tonight To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031031062612.37432.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Getting 830 kHz tonight sounds like talkback and heard Gerry Rafferty (part) of Baker Street like on talkback 1120 kHz Going on about Afghanstan Others hetrodynes and NZers starting to come in though as it gets darker. Michael ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From ian_davidson@hotmail.com Fri Oct 31 00:18:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian_davidson@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25812 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2003 08:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2003 08:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2003 08:18:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:18:53 -0800 Received: from 210.9.123.26 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:18:53 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ian_davidson@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} spelling Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:18:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2003 08:18:53.0666 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F307420:01C39F87] From: "Ian Davidson" X-Originating-IP: [210.9.123.26] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83045090 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 >From: "JimSmith" > >Sorry guys but my spelling is not that strong nor is my nor my reading. So >just bear with me guys. JIM S Don't worry Jim. I'm sure most of us don't see a problem. It's what's in your heart that counts. Ian _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 00:26:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37128 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2003 08:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2003 08:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41211.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2003 08:26:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20031031082622.50058.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41211.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:26:22 PST Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:26:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} spelling To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus At least he is for AM stereo and thats what we "all" are really here for. Michael --- Ian Davidson wrote: > > >From: "JimSmith" > > > >Sorry guys but my spelling is not that strong nor > is my nor my reading. So > >just bear with me guys. JIM S > > Don't worry Jim. I'm sure most of us don't see a > problem. It's what's in > your heart that counts. > > Ian > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Oct 31 00:49:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94150 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2003 08:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2003 08:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2003 08:49:35 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-35-51.rev.o1.com [66.81.35.51]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9V8nWW21612; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:49:33 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c39f8b$a281ec40$33235142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: Thank You Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:47:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Thank you guys . I do my best. And yes we need as much suport as possable for more good qalaty (spelling yuk) am stereo stations and radios and more pepole need to know. It seems to me that the audio is a hush hush subject when stations are talking to the public. It should be much the opasut. (spelling yuk) If i try using a dammed dictionairy every time i wanted to spell a word i would be here all night for one e-mail. Jim S From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 02:38:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94226 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2003 10:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2003 10:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2003 10:38:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2003 10:38:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:38:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Thank You Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c39f8b$a281ec40$33235142@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 571 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" wrote: > If i try using a dammed dictionairy every time i wanted to > spell a word i would be here all night for one e-mail. Jim S If you're using an ink+paper copy of Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, I would understand. Here's a suggestion to look up words a bit faster: www.dictionary.com it will say it doesn't recognize the word, and give a list of suggestions. qalaty, I could figure out easily, was supposed to be quality. /me runs a check on opasut... hmm.... c4n'7 f1gur3 th1s 1n3 0u7... From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 16:09:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90880 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 00:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 00:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 00:09:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 00:09:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 00:09:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Get your radios ready tonight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031031075742.75143.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 788 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I could hear groundwave/skywave from a station on 1450 whose TX is 26.8 miles from me. Normally I could hardly hear them at night past 12-13 miles. Other than the fact that the graveyard channels were just barely being detected on my radio, I didn't notice much about any other channels. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > > Getting 830 kHz tonight sounds like talkback and heard > Gerry Rafferty (part) of Baker Street like on talkback > 1120 kHz Going on about Afghanstan > Others hetrodynes and NZers starting to come in though > as it gets darker. > Michael > > ===== > Michael&Ross > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Oct 31 16:36:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39448 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 00:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 00:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.123) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 00:36:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:36:41 -0800 Received: from 172.143.144.204 by bay7-dav19.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 00:36:40 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Get your radios ready tonight Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:35:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2003 00:36:41.0026 (UTC) FILETIME=[37A92A20:01C3A010] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.143.144.204] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 For the last couple of nights, WTTM 1680 has had a dead quiteing signal here in Upstate South Carolina! Neal, you have the best audio on the AM band PERIOD! Other stations that have been sounding much better than normal are WOR 710, CHWO 740, WWKB 1520, Rojo 1550, and WQEW 1560. I also noticed my former employer cheating on 1600 with much more than 25 Watts just now. Oh yes, I forgot about the new FCC rule stating you can use your daytime power at night to broadcast high school football games. LOL Kevin From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Oct 31 18:24:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57607 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 02:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 02:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 02:24:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 02:24:09 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5994 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2003 17:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2003 17:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2003 17:58:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2003 17:58:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:58:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What's up with Salem? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1290 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Nov 2003 02:24:06 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > These Cuban stations are reported to be using old Czech-built > 120,000-watt transmitters, which -- just like most of Cuba's > automobiles -- are decades-old relics which have been frugally > preserved through the use of assorted jury-rigged parts. > > Cuba's FM transmitters, though, are a bit more modern; some are > even using RDS! Too bad, the Cuban's are missing out on some very cool old FM transmitters, like my all time favorite FM transmitter for visual appeal, the 10 kW Western Electric "Transview" transmitter that Scott mentioned here a while back. Or they could try a jury-rigged composite transmitter, using an RCA BTF-250A, for its incredible direct FM exciter with the very cool sci-fi like motor driven AFC, driving one of the REL 10 kW amps that used four 4-1000A tubes in the final, and which put on a fantastic light show. Back on the subject of AM, did anyone ever manufacture an AM transmitter that used 4-1000As for the finals and modulators? I would think you could build a 5 kW rig with a pair of 4-1000As in the modulator and a pair of 4-1000As as the final RF amplifier, although I have never seen or heard of this being done, does anyone know if it was? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Oct 31 18:24:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53446 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 02:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 02:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 02:24:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 02:24:19 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98960 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2003 18:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2003 18:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2003 18:00:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2003 18:00:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:00:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Thank You Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c39f8b$a281ec40$33235142@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 716 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Nov 2003 02:24:16 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" wrote: > Thank you guys . I do my best. And yes we need as much suport as possable > for more good qalaty (spelling yuk) am stereo stations and radios and more > pepole need to know. It seems to me that the audio is a hush hush subject > when stations are talking to the public. It should be much the opasut. > (spelling yuk) If i try using a dammed dictionairy every time i wanted to > spell a word i would be here all night for one e-mail. Jim S Hi Jim, I don't know if you are posting via email, or the web, but doesn't your email program, or browser, which ever you are using, have a spelling dictionary, and spell check, function? John From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 18:54:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35477 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 02:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 02:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 02:54:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20031101025405.75388.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.107] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:54:05 PST Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:54:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What's up with Salem? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Also most people will not call in UNLESS the problem with audio is EXCEPTIONALLY bad, and still most won't call. Don't forget that. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 18:58:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85663 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 02:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 02:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 02:57:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20031101025756.11759.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.107] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:57:56 PST Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:57:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What's up with Salem? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > Back on the subject of AM, did anyone ever > manufacture an AM > transmitter that used 4-1000As for the finals and > modulators? I would > think you could build a 5 kW rig with a pair of > 4-1000As in the > modulator and a pair of 4-1000As as the final RF > amplifier, although I > have never seen or heard of this being done, does > anyone know if it > was? > > John McMartin did a 2.5KW AM unit with 4-1000's. The now dead Walterboro SC had one. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From stodd@vippn.com Fri Oct 31 18:59:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12339 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 02:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 02:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 02:59:03 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c3a024$28316b20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <000701c39f8b$a281ec40$33235142@jimsmith> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Thank You Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:58:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Your email program doesn't come with spell-check? Hope you don't think I was picking on you, because I'm not. I am, however, attempting to create some incentive to improve in a weak area. Hey, I don't want a nice guy like you shooting yourself in the foot and not being taken as seriously as you should, whether it be for the AMS cause or any other area in life. I want to see you succeed. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JimSmith" To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 2:47 AM Subject: {AMSF} Thank You > Thank you guys . I do my best. And yes we need as much suport as possable > for more good qalaty (spelling yuk) am stereo stations and radios and more > pepole need to know. It seems to me that the audio is a hush hush subject > when stations are talking to the public. It should be much the opasut. > (spelling yuk) If i try using a dammed dictionairy every time i wanted to > spell a word i would be here all night for one e-mail. Jim S > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 19:00:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40951 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 03:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 03:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 03:00:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20031101030046.49523.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.107] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:00:46 PST Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:00:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Get your radios ready tonight To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > For the last couple of nights, WTTM 1680 has had a > dead quiteing signal here > in Upstate South Carolina! > Neal, you have the best audio on the AM band PERIOD! I'm hearing nothing. The flare killed most stuff. The night when it was so bad, at 10 PM I could still hear WKDK 1240 out 40 miles from the transmitter. > I also noticed my former employer cheating on 1600 > with much more than 25 > Watts just now. So what are you doing now? Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From stodd@vippn.com Fri Oct 31 19:24:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23195 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 03:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 03:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 03:24:17 -0000 Message-ID: <003c01c3a027$ae417540$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031101025756.11759.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What's up with Salem? Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:16:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude And that thing ate tubes like you wouldn't believe. You'd be lucky to get ten months on a set- six was more typical. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > Back on the subject of AM, did anyone ever > > manufacture an AM > > transmitter that used 4-1000As for the finals and > > modulators? I would > > think you could build a 5 kW rig with a pair of > > 4-1000As in the > > modulator and a pair of 4-1000As as the final RF > > amplifier, although I > > have never seen or heard of this being done, does > > anyone know if it > > was? > > McMartin did a 2.5KW AM unit with 4-1000's. The now > dead Walterboro SC had one. From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Oct 31 20:09:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71326 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 04:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 04:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 04:09:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:09:32 -0800 Received: from 172.143.144.204 by bay7-dav8.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 04:09:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031101030046.49523.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Get your radios ready tonight Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:08:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2003 04:09:32.0646 (UTC) FILETIME=[F423B860:01C3A02D] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.143.144.204] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > I'm hearing nothing. The flare killed most stuff. What are you using to listen with? I have been using my Grundig YB-400PE and the Alpha-Delta Sloper or my AtwaterKent 4' indoor loop for most listening, along with the GE Superradio III > > So what are you doing now? Well, AM radio was a labor of love, but love don't pay the bills! I am working as an RV repair tech for four times the money I made at WFIS. I still love my AM radio and have the ole Part 15 on the air most of the time. Remeber the "good ol' days" when you could make a living at a small town AM daytimer? Nowadays, "AM" means "Ain't no Money". Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 20:11:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24013 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 04:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 04:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 04:11:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 04:11:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 04:11:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Greetings from Anaheim! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 411 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 207.88.181.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Just a note from the resident radiomousie, reporting from the trip. :) I'm getting steady AMS carriers from 770 (weak), 790, 870, 1070 and 1110, and I couldn't bring along my old Select-A- Tenna. :( Hadn't checked daytime, though. Just discovered this room has DSL ($25/72hrs.- yuck!), and got my "new" Mac connected. (Original tangerine iBook, for what it's worth.) Squeek to you later. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 21:29:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96061 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 05:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 05:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 05:29:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20031101052926.96451.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.77] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:29:26 PST Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:29:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Get your radios ready tonight To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > I'm hearing nothing. The flare killed most stuff. > > What are you using to listen with? I have been using > my Grundig YB-400PE and > the Alpha-Delta Sloper or my AtwaterKent 4' indoor > loop for most listening, > along with the GE Superradio III Snort...a Collins R-388. When the A index hit 147 and the K index at 9 ( absolute max), I got WCOS on 1400 out to 35 miles listenable. WKDK was audible with 3 other weak stations and that's 45 miles out. When I was at the storage building complex (it's my #2 DX site) early around sunset there was skip and it fell off the cliff soon after. Conditions then ( by car ) were ranging wildly from long to NADA, but most signals were mostly absorbed. It's a bit better tonight. > > So what are you doing now? > > Well, AM radio was a labor of love, but love don't > pay the bills! I am > working as an RV repair tech for four times the > money I made at WFIS. I > still love my AM radio and have the ole Part 15 on > the air most of the time. > > Remeber the "good ol' days" when you could make a > living at a small town AM > daytimer? Nowadays, "AM" means "Ain't no Money". > Kevin WKDK is still doing ok. And then there are some AM money mills. One is WNEG. Powell ( who should have been in bed 2 hours ago ) ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 22:35:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51979 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 06:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 06:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 06:35:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 06:35:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 06:35:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 633 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > Just a note from the resident radiomousie, reporting from the > trip. :) I'm getting steady AMS carriers from 770 (weak), 790, 870, > 1070 and 1110, and I couldn't bring along my old Select-A- > Tenna. :( Hadn't checked daytime, though. Just discovered this > room has DSL ($25/72hrs.- yuck!), and got my "new" Mac > connected. (Original tangerine iBook, for what it's worth.) > > Squeek to you later. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Guessing based on your location.... I don't know what 770 is, but 790 would be KABC, 870 KRLA, 1070 KNX, and 1110 KDIS, right? From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Nov 01 02:49:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83977 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 10:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 10:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 10:49:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 10:49:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 10:49:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 857 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.44.231 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > Just a note from the resident radiomousie, reporting from the > > trip. :) I'm getting steady AMS carriers from 770 (weak), 790, 870, > > 1070 and 1110, and I couldn't bring along my old Select-A- > > Tenna. :( Hadn't checked daytime, though. Just discovered this > > room has DSL ($25/72hrs.- yuck!), and got my "new" Mac > > connected. (Original tangerine iBook, for what it's worth.) > > > > Squeek to you later. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > Guessing based on your location.... I don't know what 770 is, but 790 > would be KABC, 870 KRLA, 1070 KNX, and 1110 KDIS, right? Howdy!!!! Am 770 would be KCBC 770 AM STEREO Riverbank Ca. Its 50 kw day time bile power. Jim S From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Nov 01 02:54:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61218 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 10:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 10:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 10:54:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 10:54:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 10:54:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1039 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.44.231 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > > Just a note from the resident radiomousie, reporting from the > > > trip. :) I'm getting steady AMS carriers from 770 (weak), 790, > 870, > > > 1070 and 1110, and I couldn't bring along my old Select-A- > > > Tenna. :( Hadn't checked daytime, though. Just discovered this > > > room has DSL ($25/72hrs.- yuck!), and got my "new" Mac > > > connected. (Original tangerine iBook, for what it's worth.) > > > > > > Squeek to you later. > > > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > Guessing based on your location.... I don't know what 770 is, but > 790 > > would be KABC, 870 KRLA, 1070 KNX, and 1110 KDIS, right? > > > > Howdy!!!! Am 770 would be KCBC 770 AM STEREO Riverbank Ca. Its 50 kw > day time bile power. Jim S Oboy am i tired!!! I ment "bible powered" Jim S From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Nov 01 03:18:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47249 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 11:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 11:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 11:18:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 11:18:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:18:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: an interesting little find Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004001c39cfa$bccfd500$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 637 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >I was thumbing through the Digi-Key catalog and noticed they had >readily available 3.64MHz crystals. I immediately thought of our >problem obtaining resonators at that freq. You don't want to use quartz crystals for the decoder's PLL unless you have a very tight digital tuned AM receiver. These crystals don't offer much pull-in range (something on the order of 300 Hz). And 3.64 only buys you a 455KC I.F (a rarity with digital-tuned radios, since it is more difficult to divide it in the prescaler). Also, keep in mind that almost every GM-made car radio has a 3.6MC crystal inside. - Mario, who is an actual engineer! From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Nov 01 03:41:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23860 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 11:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 11:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 11:41:28 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 06:44:34 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c3a06d$16cae160$08a8a8c0@Chris1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: an interesting little find Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 06:41:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have 3.64 ceramic resonators. I bought a bunch of them before Murata discontinued them. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "amstereorules" To: Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 6:18 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: an interesting little find From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Nov 01 03:46:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78012 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 11:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 11:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 11:46:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 11:46:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:46:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 358 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >Howdy!!!! Am 770 would be KCBC 770 AM STEREO Riverbank Ca. Its 50 >kw day time bile power. Jim S What is bile power? Is that something new from the FCC? I could make out the rest of your note, except that. BTW, bile is secreted by the liver to aid in digestion. - Mario O http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/liver/bile.h tml From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Nov 01 03:53:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87544 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 11:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 11:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 11:53:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 11:53:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:53:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: an interesting little find Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c3a06d$16cae160$08a8a8c0@Chris1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 117 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >I have 3.64 ceramic resonators. I bought a bunch of them before >Murata discontinued them. > Chris COOL!!!!!!!!! From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Nov 01 06:11:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70568 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 14:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 14:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 14:11:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 14:11:23 -0000 Date: 1 Nov 2003 14:11:22 -0000 Message-ID: <1067695882.206744.11311.w58@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /WPJM.mp3 Uploaded by : ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Description : Rotten Audio! You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/WPJM.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, ICURAPossum_Hunter2 From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Nov 01 06:13:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73539 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 14:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 14:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.125) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 14:13:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 06:13:21 -0800 Received: from 172.135.179.233 by bay7-dav21.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 14:13:20 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:11:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2003 14:13:21.0238 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E102760:01C3A082] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.179.233] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 amstereorules wrote: > What is bile power? Is that something new from the FCC? It means the audio sounds like sh*t! Speaking of wonderful audio, check out the WPJM file I just uploaded. From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Nov 01 06:25:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39715 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 14:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 14:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 14:25:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 06:25:29 -0800 Received: from 172.135.179.233 by bay7-dav42.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 14:25:28 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <1067695882.206744.11311.w58@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:24:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2003 14:25:29.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFF78F80:01C3A083] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.179.233] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Please note that this audio clip was recorded on DC power! My inverter was unplugged, and the IBM ThinkPad was running on the internal battery and the GE Superadio III Was running on D batteries. The hum is on the air! My home is "Off-Grid" so there is no way AC hum can be induced in my audio equipment unless I turn on my Trace inverter or fire off my generator. This clip was received on the internal ferrite loop on the SR III and recorded into Cool Edit Pro on an IBM 600E ThinkPad. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > group. > > File : /WPJM.mp3 > Uploaded by : ICURAPossum_Hunter2 > Description : Rotten Audio! > > You can access this file at the URL > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/WPJM.mp3 > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files > > Regards, > > ICURAPossum_Hunter2 > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Nov 01 06:42:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96662 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 14:42:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 14:42:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 14:42:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 14:42:35 -0000 Date: 1 Nov 2003 14:42:35 -0000 Message-ID: <1067697755.105399.19371.w69@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /WDRF.mp3 Uploaded by : ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Description : Another Biblecaster You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/WDRF.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, ICURAPossum_Hunter2 From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Nov 01 07:02:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82697 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 15:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 15:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 15:02:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 07:02:04 -0800 Received: from 172.135.179.233 by bay7-dav24.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 15:02:04 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <1067697755.105399.19371.w69@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:00:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2003 15:02:04.0452 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C6F3640:01C3A089] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.179.233] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 This is a clip of WDRF 1510. This is another 1000 Watt station that is about the same distance from me as WPJM...22 Miles. This clip was recorded using the same set up as the WPJM clip on DC power. Both stations have the studio and transmitter on site, so there is no STL. WPJM has a Harris SX1A transmitter and WDRF has a RF-CAST AT1K5 transmitter. Now what Biblecaster would YOU listen too? What I don't understand is WDRF 1510 only pulls a 0.1 once in a blue moon, yet WPJM 800 ALWAYS pulls a 1.1 -1.6 share in this market! Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:42 AM Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > group. > > File : /WDRF.mp3 > Uploaded by : ICURAPossum_Hunter2 > Description : Another Biblecaster > > You can access this file at the URL > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/WDRF.mp3 > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files > > Regards, > > ICURAPossum_Hunter2 > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Nov 01 07:23:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51175 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 15:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 15:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.121) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 15:23:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 07:23:05 -0800 Received: from 172.135.179.233 by bay7-dav17.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 15:23:05 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031101052926.96451.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Get your radios ready tonight Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:21:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2003 15:23:05.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C103440:01C3A08C] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.179.233] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Snort...a Collins R-388. When the A index hit 147 and the K index at 9 ( absolute max), I got WCOS on 1400 out to 35 miles listenable. Powell, as you know AM DX listening is about 50% Grounding, 30% Antenna, and 20% Radio. Almost my entire backyard has ground radials buried in it coming from the pole I have the Sloper mounted on. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 09:03:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17861 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 17:03:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 17:03:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 17:03:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20031101170309.74977.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 09:03:09 PST Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:03:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Get your radios ready tonight To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > Snort...a Collins R-388. When the A index hit 147 > and the K index at 9 ( > absolute max), I got WCOS on 1400 out to 35 miles > listenable. > Powell, as you know AM DX listening is about 50% > Grounding, 30% Antenna, and > 20% Radio. Almost my entire backyard has ground > radials buried in it coming > from the pole I have the Sloper mounted on. > Kevin True, but this flare at the max made things pretty dead, but it was a wild rollercoaster ride. From one minute like you described, then abruptly total no skip. The ride in the car to find ( and I went west and should have headed north) to find aurora showed how muted the band was. It was much better, but not great last night. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 09:41:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45131 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 17:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 17:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 17:41:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20031101174103.54697.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 09:41:03 PST Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:41:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: WPJM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW That file Kevin put up sounded good compared to what I heard when passing through last week. There was no hum, BUT the audio was SO distorted that listening to the station more than a minute was exceptionally painful. GAGG! Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 09:45:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53564 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 17:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 17:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 17:45:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 17:45:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 17:45:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 796 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 207.88.181.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" < jimsmith@v...> wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" < amymousie@y...> > wrote: =snip= > > Guessing based on your location.... I don't know what 770 is, but > 790 > > would be KABC, 870 KRLA, 1070 KNX, and 1110 KDIS, right? Confirmed about 790, 1070, and 1110; need to check 770 and 870. > Howdy!!!! Am 770 would be KCBC 770 AM STEREO Riverbank Ca. Its 50 kw > day time bile power. Jim S Riverbank is up in the SF Bay Area- I received that when I was in Santa Rosa a couple years ago. Isn't the Avalon (Catalina Is.) station, KVON I think it was, at 770? I still need to check. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ *squeek* From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Nov 01 10:29:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66475 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 18:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 18:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.98) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 18:29:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:29:10 -0800 Received: from 172.148.255.120 by bay7-dav41.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 18:29:10 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031101170309.74977.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Get your radios ready tonight Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:27:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2003 18:29:10.0841 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B23B290:01C3A0A6] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.148.255.120] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > but this flare at the max made things pretty dead, but it was a wild rollercoaster ride. And it seemed like there was no rhyme or reason which stations you could or could not hear. 1KW WTTM's signal was much stronger than 50KW WQEW! On shortwave, WWRB 5085 had lots of flutter, yet WBCQ 7415 and WWCR 5070 sounded like locals. Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 10:35:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74424 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 18:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 18:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 18:35:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 18:35:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 18:35:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 405 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 207.88.181.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie OK, did a bandscan this morning (yesterday's was nighttime). 770 must be KCBC, as mentioned. 740 must be KVON, Avalon, CA, as it's daytime only. Also, 1650 KFOX, Torrance comes in fine in the day. Confirmed stereo content on 790 KABC, 1110 KDIS and K??? 870, but I need to listen further, and make some airchecks when I can. KNX's stereo content still appears to be out for now. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 10:38:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2369 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 18:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 18:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 18:38:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 18:38:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 18:38:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 222 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 207.88.181.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" < amymousie@y...> wrote: > 770 must be KCBC, as mentioned. I should've added that KCBC, being DX, was inaudible in the day from Anaheim. Oh, well. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 10:50:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19547 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 18:50:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 18:50:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 18:50:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 18:50:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 18:50:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony STR-AV360 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 72 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 68.158.225.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Does anyone know if the Sony STR-AV360 tuner have AM Stereo?? -Tony S. From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Nov 01 10:59:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11381 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 18:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 18:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.123) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 18:59:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:59:54 -0800 Received: from 172.148.255.120 by bay7-dav19.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 18:59:54 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031101174103.54697.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPJM Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:58:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2003 18:59:54.0594 (UTC) FILETIME=[561A1420:01C3A0AA] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.148.255.120] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > That file Kevin put up sounded good compared to what I heard when passing through last week. Yea, they have really improved the on air sound! LOL I was going to post an audio clip of WFIS 1600 because they have the same transmitter as WPJM, A Harris SX1, but WFIS is off of the air today! Kevinh From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 11:06:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43776 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 19:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 19:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 19:06:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20031101190605.99525.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:06:05 PST Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:06:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPJM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > That file Kevin put up sounded good compared to > what I heard when passing > through last week. > > Yea, they have really improved the on air sound! LOL > > I was going to post an audio clip of WFIS 1600 > because they have the same > transmitter as WPJM, A Harris SX1, but WFIS is off > of the air today! > > Kevinh WELLLL....I wonder who is going to fix the problem ??? Powell > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 11:08:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29471 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 19:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 19:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 19:08:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20031101190839.60781.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:08:39 PST Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:08:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: WWV Solar report To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Far better than it was. For good BCB DX the "A" index needs to be under 10. Earlier we were moaning on a BCB DX list when the A index was 25. At the max of the flare it was 400. The K index only goes to 9 and it stayed there for the most part of 2 days. Conditions are VERY slowly improving, and should continue to do so unless a new sunspot shows up. Powell Product: Geophysical Alert Message wwv.txt :Issued: 2003 Nov 01 1803 UTC # Prepared by the US Dept. of Commerce, NOAA, Space Environment Center # # Geophysical Alert Message # Solar-terrestrial indices for 31 October follow. Solar flux 249 and mid-latitude A-index 65. The mid-latitude K-index at 1800 UTC on 01 November was 3 (27 nT). Space weather for the past 24 hours has been minor. Geomagnetic storms reaching the G1 level occurred. Solar radiation storms reaching the S1 level occurred. Radio blackouts reaching the R1 level occurred. Space weather for the next 24 hours is expected to be strong. Geomagnetic storms reaching the G1 level are expected. Solar radiation storms reaching the S1 level are expected. Radio blackouts reaching the R3 level are expected. ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Nov 01 11:20:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90596 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 19:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 19:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 19:20:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:20:28 -0800 Received: from 172.148.255.120 by bay7-dav44.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 19:20:28 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031101190605.99525.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPJM Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:19:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2003 19:20:28.0542 (UTC) FILETIME=[359799E0:01C3A0AD] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.148.255.120] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 I wrote: >> I was going to post an audio clip of WFIS 1600 because they have the same transmitter as WPJM, A Harris SX1, but WFIS is off of the air today! Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > WELLLL....I wonder who is going to fix the problem ??? It ain't this ol' Possum's problem! It is STILL off the air, so it must a real good problem. Must have cooked that ATU or PAs after cheating on high power last night. LOL Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 11:41:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19335 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 19:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 19:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 19:41:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20031101194146.32809.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:41:46 PST Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:41:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPJM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > I wrote: > >> I was going to post an audio clip of WFIS 1600 > because they have the same > transmitter as WPJM, A Harris SX1, but WFIS is off > of the air today! > > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > WELLLL....I wonder who is > going to fix the problem > ??? > > It ain't this ol' Possum's problem! It is STILL > off the air, so it must > a real good problem. Must have cooked that ATU or > PAs after cheating on high > power last night. LOL > > Kevin Well you could always come down here and record a clip once football season is gone.... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 11:57:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63284 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 19:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 19:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 19:57:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20031101195701.88366.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:57:01 PST Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:57:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: IF shutting off AM stereo isn't bad enough To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio from the press: "CLEVELAND - Bicyclists are demanding that the nation's largest radio group be punished because disc jockeys at three stations made on-air comments they say encouraged drivers to throw bottles at bike riders or hit them with open car doors. They say the morning show hosts at Clear Channel Communications stations in Cleveland, Houston and Raleigh, N.C.,..." Bad enough Clear Channel has their engineers shut-off their AM stereo at working stations, but now encourage violence at 3 of their many stations! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Nov 01 13:55:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88493 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 21:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 21:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 21:55:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 21:55:39 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36333 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 17:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 17:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 17:11:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 17:11:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 17:11:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: an interesting little find Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 733 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.123 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Nov 2003 21:55:38 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < amstereorules@m...> wrote: > >I was thumbing through the Digi-Key catalog and noticed they had > >readily available 3.64MHz crystals. I immediately thought of our > >problem obtaining resonators at that freq. > > You don't want to use quartz crystals for the decoder's PLL unless > you have a very tight digital tuned AM receiver. These crystals > don't offer much pull-in range (something on the order of 300 Hz). What if we were to add a varactor across the local oscillator section of the variable tuning capacitor, and control it with an AFC loop to lock the IF frequency onto 455 kHz, would the 3.64 MHz crystal work with an analog tuned receiver then? John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 14:06:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34020 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 22:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 22:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 22:06:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 22:06:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 22:06:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 655 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 740 must be KVON, Avalon, CA, as it's daytime only. That's actually KBRT ("K-Bright"), 10,000 watts daytime and 113 watts at night. KVON is on 1440 kHz in Napa, CA, and they are on the list of AM Stereo stations, although they haven't been verified recently. > Also, 1650 KFOX, Torrance comes in fine in the day. KFOX is interesting in that while they are 10,000 watts daytime, they are only 490 watts at night, instead of the usual 1000 watts that Expanded Band stations get. I believe this has something to do with them being near the Mexican border; a few Expanded Band stations near the Canadian border also have reduced power at night. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 14:08:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3584 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 22:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 22:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 22:08:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 22:08:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 22:08:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony STR-AV360 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 124 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does anyone know if the Sony STR-AV360 tuner have AM Stereo?? The STR-AV390 does, but I'm not sure about the STR-AV360. From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Nov 01 14:10:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9808 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 22:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 22:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 22:10:16 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.118]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:13:23 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c3a0c4$cbf87dc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: an interesting little find Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:09:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Well, there is no need for that- the decoder has it's own PLL, and the 3.64 resonators will work perfectly with them. The decoder only looks for 8 times what the IF is- 3.6mhz for 450, 3.64 for 455. I used the 3.64's when I was doing the now gone Blaupunkts, as they had a 460 IF- and the 3.64 had a great pull-in range. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: bta_50g To: Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: an interesting little find > > What if we were to add a varactor across the local oscillator section > of the variable tuning capacitor, and control it with an AFC loop to > lock the IF frequency onto 455 kHz, would the 3.64 MHz crystal work > with an analog tuned receiver then? > > John From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Nov 01 14:16:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86796 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 22:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 22:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 22:16:07 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.118]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:19:14 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c3a0c5$9d6eed80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony STR-AV360 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:15:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 the Canadian models have AM Stereo. On the front, it clearly says "AM Stereo/FM Stereo" whereas the USA version says "FM/AM stereo" (or AM/FM stereo) cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony STR-AV360 > > Does anyone know if the Sony STR-AV360 tuner have AM Stereo?? > From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 15:14:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4773 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 23:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 23:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 23:14:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2003 23:14:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 23:14:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony STR-AV360 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002e01c3a0c5$9d6eed80$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 911 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 68.158.225.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > the Canadian models have AM Stereo. On the front, it clearly > says "AM > Stereo/FM Stereo" whereas the USA version says "FM/AM stereo" This one on eBay apparently doesn't...It's in Canada, but the seller has changed the listing to read "FM Stereo FM/AM" (despite not having replied to the personal email I sent them)....So I guess this one, while looking exactly like the ones on the AM Stereo page, does not have AMS....Too bad...Was looking for some toys to try out on WRNE/980 in Pensacola where I hope to go next weekend. Anyways, how good are these Canadian STR-AV*** AM Stereo multimode radios? I read in some of the back messages that they have frequency response of up to 15khz!! Is this an isolated case of just one tuner, or do all of them do?? Also, how is it inside?? Easy to find and look at the decoder chip, or is it 'shielded' in a case like it is in the SRF-A100/A1? --tony s. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 15:51:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26992 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2003 23:51:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2003 23:51:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2003 23:51:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20031101235104.28926.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 15:51:04 PST Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:51:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony STR-AV360 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002e01c3a0c5$9d6eed80$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The picture of it is very bad quality.. Michael Chris Cuff wrote: the Canadian models have AM Stereo. On the front, it clearly says "AM Stereo/FM Stereo" whereas the USA version says "FM/AM stereo" (or AM/FM stereo) cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony STR-AV360 > > Does anyone know if the Sony STR-AV360 tuner have AM Stereo?? > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 17:14:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57523 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 01:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 01:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 01:14:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2003 01:14:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 01:14:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony STR-AV360 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2801 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Anyways, how good are these Canadian STR-AV*** AM Stereo multimode > radios? I have the STR-AV470. Its sensitivity on AM isn't the best, but a Terk AM Advantage or other type of tuned loop antenna helps a lot. The tuning only goes up to 1610 kHz, so you miss out on the whole Expanded Band. It will automatically switch to wide-bandwidth mode when the signal strength rises above a certain level. AM Stereo can only be received in wide-bandwidth mode; there is a button to switch it to narrow-bandwidth mono mode, which actually doesn't sound that bad (it's not as narrow as many ordinary AM tuners). Once you open it up, though, there are a lot of "tweaks" that can be done; on the main circuit board is a trim-pot labelled "ST LEVEL". It adjusts the sensitivity of switching into wide-bandwidth mode, so you can adjust it so that even moderately weak signals will switch into wide mode (and thus be received in AM Stereo). The multi-system AM Stereo decoder is actually on its own circuit board, and it has several other model numbers marked on it, so it's probably common amongst the whole series of AM Stereo-equipped STR-AVxxx receivers. It uses the Sony CX-857 chip with automatic switching between C-Quam, Kahn, Harris (55 Hz pilot), and Magnavox modes. If you tune in a Kahn POWER-Side station that is transmitting the 15 Hz pilot tone, it will switch into Kahn AM Stereo mode and you'll hear one channel louder than the other. (In New York City, 1280 WADO is transmitting the Kahn pilot tone, while fellow POWER-Side station 1600 WWRL is not.) Another "tweak" is the three-wire connection between the main circuit board and the AM Stereo decoder board. If you simply unplug this connection, the receiver will operate in a "medium" bandwidth mode, regardless of signal strength, which may actually sound better than the wide-bandwidth mode, since it's a better match for the pre- emphasis that AM stations use and won't sound so treble-heavy. Also, experimenting with the orientation of this 3-pin connector on the AM Stereo decoder board will result in different bandwidth and Mono/Stereo switching behavior; one way will give you narrow/mono mode for weak signals, and medium/Stereo mode for stronger signals. Another way will give you *narrow*/Stereo mode for stronger signals, enabling AM Stereo reception of signals that are coming in well but are plaged with adjacent-channel interference. Also, a certain button sequence (I keep forgetting it!) will switch it into 9 kHz channel spacing, with the "whistle filter" switched over to a 9 kHz notch as well. And normally it tunes in 0.1 MHz steps on FM, but if you manually type in a frequency using the keypad, you can tune it to a resolution of 0.05 MHz (for example, "102.35 MHz"). From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Nov 01 18:25:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76995 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 02:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 02:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 02:24:58 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031102022458.KHFI1636.fed1mtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:24:58 -0500 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:25:25 -0800 Subject: KNX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I don't know if you already heard this, but War of the Worlds, aired October 31 on KNX, was the last show of the popular KNX Drama Hour. The Drama Hour is the second casualty of the "new KNX." Actually third: First was stereo, second was the GM, Richard Wagoner From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Nov 01 18:29:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38059 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 02:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 02:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 02:29:55 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031102022954.KIIV18544.fed1mtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:29:54 -0500 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:30:22 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <81FF8606-0CDC-11D8-B040-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KFOX is licensed to TORRANCE??? I don't think their transmitter is within 50 miles of Torrance. I seem to recall the old owner claiming Torrance for the old 540 AM (which better be off the air since 1650 was supposed to replace it) , which actually broadcast/transmitted from Hesperia. On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 10:35 AM, Amy Mousie wrote: > > > Also, 1650 KFOX, Torrance comes in fine in the day. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 19:00:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40641 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 03:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 03:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 03:00:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2003 03:00:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 03:00:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KNX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 819 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 207.88.181.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner < rwagoner@c...> wrote: > > I don't know if you already heard this, but War of the Worlds, aired > October 31 on KNX, was the last show of the popular KNX Drama Hour. The > Drama Hour is the second casualty of the "new KNX." Actually third: > First was stereo, second was the GM, Sad, because KNX is rather well-known amongst OTR circles. (I have WotW, anyway- One of the most important radio programs in history, not for what it is, but for what it did.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (I have found at least three different takes og WotW as radio dramatizations: the original CBS Mercury Theatre production that caused quite a stir in 1938; WKBW's 1971 revised version of its 1968 version; and BBC Radio One's 1998 "Independence Day UK" version- worth finding!) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 19:04:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28644 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 03:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 03:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 03:04:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2003 03:04:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 03:04:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <81FF8606-0CDC-11D8-B040-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 525 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 207.88.181.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner < rwagoner@c...> wrote: > KFOX is licensed to TORRANCE??? I don't think their transmitter is > within 50 miles of Torrance. I seem to recall the old owner claiming > Torrance for the old 540 AM (which better be off the air since 1650 was > supposed to replace it) , which actually broadcast/transmitted from > Hesperia. 540 should be XESURF, formerly XEJAZZ and XEBACH, formerly in AM stereo, now in jazzy mono, from Tijuana, as far as I know. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Nov 01 20:47:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85498 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 04:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 04:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 04:47:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (d131-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.163]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hA24lOR21402 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:47:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:47:16 -0700 Subject: KVON Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1067742040.19202.40651.m9@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Gents, I can assure you that KVON is not running AM stereo any longer. Kevin Mesa, Arizona On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 08:00 PM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 16 > Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 22:06:00 -0000 > From: "Kevin T." > Subject: Re: Greetings from Anaheim! > >> 740 must be KVON, Avalon, CA, as it's daytime only. > > That's actually KBRT ("K-Bright"), 10,000 watts daytime and 113 watts > at night. KVON is on 1440 kHz in Napa, CA, and they are on the list > of AM Stereo stations, although they haven't been verified recently. From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Nov 01 20:49:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11804 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 04:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 04:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 04:49:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (d131-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.163]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hA24npR21513 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:49:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:49:43 -0700 Subject: KNX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1067742040.19202.40651.m9@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Richard, I will truly miss the Drama Hour. I listened to it here in Mesa, Arizona quite regularly. I will certainly miss the stereo. There are no stations in the Phoenix area running anything other than a pilot. Kevin Mesa, Arizona On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 08:00 PM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 23 > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:25:25 -0800 > From: Richard Wagoner > Subject: KNX > > > I don't know if you already heard this, but War of the Worlds, aired > October 31 on KNX, was the last show of the popular KNX Drama Hour. The > Drama Hour is the second casualty of the "new KNX." Actually third: > First was stereo, second was the GM, > > Richard Wagoner From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 21:06:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91634 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 05:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 05:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 05:06:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2003 05:06:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 05:06:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 374 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key It's KBRT on 740. It runs 10kW daytime with a null to the southwest to not waste so much power over the ocean. It's licensed for 113 watts at night with a similar pattern, but I'm quite sure they power off at night. It's a religious talker. > Isn't the Avalon (Catalina Is.) station, KVON I think it was, at 770? > I still need to check. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > *squeek* From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 21:08:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37066 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 05:07:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 05:07:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 05:07:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2003 05:07:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 05:07:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 521 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key 870 I think is KRLA. I can't hear them very strong in El Cajon (actually... maybe my definition of "not strong" is someone else's definition of "unlistenable").... my Panasonic RQ-SW20 barely picks it up with maybe a negative signal to noise ratio out from under a local mexican music station on 860 (XEMO). > Confirmed stereo content on 790 KABC, 1110 KDIS and K??? > 870, but I need to listen further, and make some airchecks when > I can. KNX's stereo content still appears to be out for now. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 21:09:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59577 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 05:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 05:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 05:09:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2003 05:09:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 05:09:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 611 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" < > amymousie@y...> wrote: > > > 770 must be KCBC, as mentioned. > > I should've added that KCBC, being DX, was inaudible in the day > from Anaheim. Oh, well. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Hmmm... You can get KCBC from there? From El Cajon, I hear KKOB from Albuquerque, NM, on 770. KFMB (760)'s transmitter is approximately the same direction from me as KCBC, which probably explains why I can't hear it with KFMB's 50,000-watt nighttime signal blasting me from only 7.3 miles away. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 21:18:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50843 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 05:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 05:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 05:18:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2003 05:18:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 05:18:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: possible to have stereo without sending 25Hz pilot? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Is it possible to broadcast (Part 15) AM Stereo without sending out a pilot? I would want to be able to play music that has low frequencies, like this (poor quality) clip, for example... http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/pianotone/bosendorferbass2.mp3 From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 21:20:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54499 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 05:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 05:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 05:20:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2003 05:20:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 05:20:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KNX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 570 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key KSL 1160 Salt Lake City has When Radio Was, an OTR show, from 11p to midnight Central Time (10-11 Pacific). I can hear them OK in El Cajon, with KCBQ 1170 trying to also come through from the adjacent channel. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > I don't know if you already heard this, but War of the Worlds, aired > October 31 on KNX, was the last show of the popular KNX Drama Hour. The > Drama Hour is the second casualty of the "new KNX." Actually third: > First was stereo, second was the GM, > > Richard Wagoner From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Nov 02 00:06:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82097 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 08:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 08:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 08:06:10 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.158]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 03:09:18 -0500 Message-ID: <002801c3a118$0ac55f20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} possible to have stereo without sending 25Hz pilot? Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 03:05:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Yes- One of my little transmitters will work fine- the pilot can be disconnected easily. Sony radios such as the SRF42 will work fine without the pilot. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key To: Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 12:18 AM Subject: {AMSF} possible to have stereo without sending 25Hz pilot? From ian_davidson@hotmail.com Sun Nov 02 01:28:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian_davidson@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51804 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 09:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 09:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 09:28:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 01:27:59 -0800 Received: from 210.9.123.26 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Nov 2003 09:27:59 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ian_davidson@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 4BC Brisbane Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 09:27:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2003 09:27:59.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B676E00:01C3A123] From: "Ian Davidson" X-Originating-IP: [210.9.123.26] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83045090 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Hey - the two Matts ... Is 4BC still in stereo? I'm currently in Surfers Paradise - and can just pick it up. All I get is the interference in stereo. Will try soon from further down the coast where reception improves. btw - from Surfers I can receive 34 FM stations (11 ABC, 1 SBS, 9 commercial, and 13 community). And only 2 AM stations clearly!! 4QR and 4TAB. 4KQ is wonky, and 4BC is barely there. Too far to get 1197 switch radio i whatever. The Gold Coast is a no go AM radio zone! _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Nov 02 07:18:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11601 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 15:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 15:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 15:18:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (d160-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.192]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hA2FIZR50556 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 08:18:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 08:18:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Subject: KNX Drama Hour post mortem To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Oct. 31, 2003) - As the raging fires have devastated Southern California, the positive role KNX has played in helping our listeners deal with this emergency has become evident. Listeners in San Bernardino lost local radio station coverage and depended on KNX for evacuation information and updates on where the fire was heading. Listeners in Simi Valley got needed traffic information on freeway closures and alternate routes around critical fire areas. Other areas such as San Diego and Santa Barbara Counties do not have an all news station and are dependent on KNX's 50,000-watt signal. This also goes beyond the wildfire crisis. Other ongoing and recent events, such as the mass transit and supermarket strikes, the California gubernatorial recall election and the war in Iraq have highlighted our need to provide news around the clock. Based on KNX's role in serving the public we have decided to end the broadcast of the Drama Hour and remain a 24/7 full-service news operation. The Drama Hour has had a long, great run on KNX but our news listeners should always be our number one concern. Thanks for supporting KNX 1070 NEWSRADIO. Please send comments to:KNXDrama-@cbs.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sun Nov 02 08:50:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59456 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 16:50:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 16:50:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 16:50:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2003 16:50:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 16:50:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 4BC Brisbane Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 161 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 68.211.246.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 How many confirmed AM Stereo stations do y'all have left in Australia?? Seems to me like the number keeps falling 'like sands in the hourglass'.... --Tony S. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Nov 02 10:18:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78937 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 18:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 18:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 18:18:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20031102181832.75114.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Nov 2003 10:18:32 PST Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 10:18:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4BC Brisbane To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are lucky to be on the Gold Coast We in New Zealand are lucky to get 2 days of summer each fortnight!WE had driving westerly type rain thunderstorms and high of 20 yesterday in Auckland. Ian Davidson wrote: Hey - the two Matts ... Is 4BC still in stereo? I'm currently in Surfers Paradise - and can just pick it up. All I get is the interference in stereo. Will try soon from further down the coast where reception improves. btw - from Surfers I can receive 34 FM stations (11 ABC, 1 SBS, 9 commercial, and 13 community). And only 2 AM stations clearly!! 4QR and 4TAB. 4KQ is wonky, and 4BC is barely there. Too far to get 1197 switch radio i whatever. The Gold Coast is a no go AM radio zone! _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Nov 02 13:25:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65071 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 21:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 21:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 21:25:43 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031102212539.PVVN720.fed1mtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:25:39 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 13:26:18 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3259A86E-0D7B-11D8-B040-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Should be, but I never heard if the Hesperia transmitter on the same frequency -- the reason owner Saul Levine got 1650 in the first place (before he sold it) -- was ever actually turned off. On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 07:04 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner < > rwagoner@c...> wrote: > > KFOX is licensed to TORRANCE??? I don't think their > transmitter is > > within 50 miles of Torrance. I seem to recall the old owner > claiming > > Torrance for the old 540 AM (which better be off the air since > 1650 was > > supposed to replace it) , which actually broadcast/transmitted > from > > Hesperia. > > 540 should be XESURF, formerly XEJAZZ and XEBACH, formerly > in AM stereo, now in jazzy mono, from Tijuana, as far as I know. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Nov 02 13:27:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69415 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 21:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 21:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 21:27:16 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031102212716.PEMS19225.fed1mtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:27:16 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 13:27:53 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6ABB7A00-0D7B-11D8-B040-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 870 is "the new KRLA," formerly KIEV and not to be confused with the=20 real, original Radio Los Angeles KRLA at 1110 AM. On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 09:07 PM, pianoplayer88key wrote: > 870 I think is KRLA.=A0 I can't hear them very strong in El Cajon > (actually... maybe my definition of "not strong" is someone else's > definition of "unlistenable").... my Panasonic RQ-SW20 barely picks it > up with maybe a negative signal to noise ratio out from under a local > mexican music station on 860 (XEMO). > > > Confirmed stereo content on 790 KABC, 1110 KDIS and K??? > > 870, but I need to listen further, and make some airchecks when > > I can. KNX's stereo content still appears to be out for now. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Nov 02 13:36:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52191 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 21:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 21:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 21:36:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2003 21:36:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 21:36:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 4BC - Stereo Aircheck! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 576 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 220.240.128.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day, Wow Ian, good timing on the 4BC post - I was bandscanning last night while doing some airchecking of 4TAB in stereo, and recorded a real gem. ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/4bc-st.mp3 Seems they had an automation problem and I heard some dead air then a massive sweeper package then "Yellow Brick Road" in STEREO! They are mostly mono programming normally. Audio slightly skewed to the left channel. Ian if you want to make the trip to Brisbane we could do lunch (you can catch the train up). I'm working in the city Mon-Wed. Cheers, Matt From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Nov 02 14:44:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2138 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 22:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 22:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 22:44:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2003 22:44:44 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39903 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2003 21:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2003 21:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2003 21:37:23 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.6.1b37fdcf (4592); Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:37:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6.1b37fdcf.2cd6d306@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:37:10 EST Subject: Thoughts on IBOC, DRM, AM Stereo, FM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: N0UIH-DXTalk@topica.com, irca@topica.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 02 Nov 2003 22:44:43 -0000 I've heard all the talk about IBOC, DRM and analog. Here are my thoughts on the subject. I am not the least bit impressed with IBOC. First of all, IBOC takes up too much spectrum space. The only local station that's testing IBOC is KFUO 850, owned by the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. With only an analog signal, KFUO's mono audio quality was halfway decent. With the technically inferior IBOC system, KFUO's audio quality is only fair at best, and their IBOC signal takes up 70 kHz of spectrum space, covering up reception of KOTC Kennett, MO on 830 kHz (which has twice KFUO's power, and, as far as I know, still broadcasts in AM Stereo) and generates white noise on the signal of WCBW Highland, IL on 880 kHz. Even WLS 890 Chicago, IL suffers from interference from KFUO's IBOC sidebands. On FM, the spectrum space wasted is even worse. The IBOC sidebands waste up to 430 kHz of spectrum space; way too much spectrum. In addition, IBOC has been proven to reduce a station's signal range, not increase it. A 100 kW FM station at 2000 feet above average terrain, for example, would have it's coverage cut by at least 75%. A Class B1/C3 FM station (such as WFUN-FM "Q 95.5") would cover less real estate than a 10-watt FM (like KWUR 90.3 Clayton, MO). With a 50 kW AM, that station's signal coverage would be cut from 750 miles at night to less than 25 miles; even worse for a directional signal. For example, KMOX, if it ever adopted IBOC, won't get out of St. Louis County, day or night. KFUO's digital signal, at 5 kW, won't get out past Des Peres or East St. Louis. The U.S. broadcast industry will be much better off NOT ADOPTING the technologically inferior IBOC system. DRM takes up less spectrum space (only 20 kHz). The relay of shortwave broadcasters in DRM from the CBC's shortwave facility in Sackville, NB transmits in the early evening hours on 9795 kHz. This does not allow for stations to be heard 10 kHz either side (9785 and 9805 kHz); even the Cuban jammer against Radio Marti suffers from interference from the DRM sidebands. You cannot hear the DRM signal on a standard shortwave receiver; all you get is digital hash. DRM should only be used on shortwave, not on AM or longwave. Why work on a digital system when C-QUAM AM Stereo and FM Stereo are ALREADY CAPABLE of CD-quality sound? With the inferior IBOC system, it's to make the rich richer and the poor poorer (how anti-American can you get?). Listen to an Internet radio station using a dial-up modem. That's exactly what IBOC sounds like. C-QUAM AM Stereo is already capable of CD-quality sound. Even in 1989, when I lived in a market with five C-QUAM AM Stereo stations (Atlanta, GA), C-QUAM AM Stereo stations, such as WQXI 790 (which was simulcasting WQXI-FM at the time, and later, WSTR before flipping to Adult Standards/Talk in 1990), allowed their signals a separation similar to that offered by compact discs. FM Stereo was already moving toward CD-quality sound in the early 1990s; the current FM Stereo system now has a sound quality rivaling those of compact discs. There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why the U.S. should have IBOC. Digital radio in the U.S. should be on satellite only, and not available via terrestrial means. The cost of IBOC receivers will be prohibitive for most Americans. They can't afford the minimum $1,000 price tag for such a receiver. American radio listeners are very happy with their analog systems, thank you very much. The crisis here is not in technology, but in PROGRAMMING. Corporate radio programming quality is, at best, shoddy. Independent commercial stations provide better quality programming. The highest quality programming is often produced by public radio. Speaking of public radio, it seems NPR is starting to turn against IBOC; they've announced an about-face on LPFM, actually supporting this new service. Those broadcasters who are testing IBOC, in my humble opinion, do not know how to run a technologically advanced station. IBOC is not a step forward, it's a step back. Those AM radio stations who broadcast in C-QUAM AM Stereo are the most advanced of them all. The only step forward is mandated C-QUAM on the X-Band and the 50 kW non-directional Class A stations. It's time to give up on IBOC, and focus on C-QUAM AM Stereo and FM Stereo only. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Sun Nov 02 16:01:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23982 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 00:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 00:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 00:01:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2003 00:01:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 00:01:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on IBOC, DRM, AM Stereo, FM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.1b37fdcf.2cd6d306@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5106 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.43.56 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > I've heard all the talk about IBOC, DRM and analog. Here are my thoughts on > the subject. > > I am not the least bit impressed with IBOC. First of all, IBOC takes up too > much spectrum space. The only local station that's testing IBOC is KFUO 850, > owned by the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. With only an analog signal, KFUO's > mono audio quality was halfway decent. With the technically inferior IBOC > system, KFUO's audio quality is only fair at best, and their IBOC signal takes up > 70 kHz of spectrum space, covering up reception of KOTC Kennett, MO on 830 kHz > (which has twice KFUO's power, and, as far as I know, still broadcasts in AM > Stereo) and generates white noise on the signal of WCBW Highland, IL on 880 Not just mandate some stations to c-quam brodcast be all to trassmitt c-quam am stereo. Jim S > kHz. Even WLS 890 Chicago, IL suffers from interference from KFUO's IBOC > sidebands. On FM, the spectrum space wasted is even worse. The IBOC sidebands waste > up to 430 kHz of spectrum space; way too much spectrum. In addition, IBOC has > been proven to reduce a station's signal range, not increase it. A 100 kW FM > station at 2000 feet above average terrain, for example, would have it's > coverage cut by at least 75%. A Class B1/C3 FM station (such as WFUN-FM "Q 95.5") > would cover less real estate than a 10-watt FM (like KWUR 90.3 Clayton, MO). With > a 50 kW AM, that station's signal coverage would be cut from 750 miles at > night to less than 25 miles; even worse for a directional signal. For example, > KMOX, if it ever adopted IBOC, won't get out of St. Louis County, day or night. > KFUO's digital signal, at 5 kW, won't get out past Des Peres or East St. > Louis. The U.S. broadcast industry will be much better off NOT ADOPTING the > technologically inferior IBOC system. > > DRM takes up less spectrum space (only 20 kHz). The relay of shortwave > broadcasters in DRM from the CBC's shortwave facility in Sackville, NB transmits in > the early evening hours on 9795 kHz. This does not allow for stations to be > heard 10 kHz either side (9785 and 9805 kHz); even the Cuban jammer against > Radio Marti suffers from interference from the DRM sidebands. You cannot hear the > DRM signal on a standard shortwave receiver; all you get is digital hash. DRM > should only be used on shortwave, not on AM or longwave. > > Why work on a digital system when C-QUAM AM Stereo and FM Stereo are ALREADY > CAPABLE of CD-quality sound? With the inferior IBOC system, it's to make the > rich richer and the poor poorer (how anti-American can you get?). Listen to an > Internet radio station using a dial-up modem. That's exactly what IBOC sounds > like. C-QUAM AM Stereo is already capable of CD-quality sound. Even in 1989, > when I lived in a market with five C-QUAM AM Stereo stations (Atlanta, GA), > C-QUAM AM Stereo stations, such as WQXI 790 (which was simulcasting WQXI-FM at > the time, and later, WSTR before flipping to Adult Standards/Talk in 1990), > allowed their signals a separation similar to that offered by compact discs. FM > Stereo was already moving toward CD-quality sound in the early 1990s; the > current FM Stereo system now has a sound quality rivaling those of compact discs. > There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why the U.S. should have IBOC. Digital radio in > the U.S. should be on satellite only, and not available via terrestrial means. > > The cost of IBOC receivers will be prohibitive for most Americans. They can't > afford the minimum $1,000 price tag for such a receiver. American radio > listeners are very happy with their analog systems, thank you very much. The crisis > here is not in technology, but in PROGRAMMING. Corporate radio programming > quality is, at best, shoddy. Independent commercial stations provide better > quality programming. The highest quality programming is often produced by public > radio. Speaking of public radio, it seems NPR is starting to turn against IBOC; > they've announced an about-face on LPFM, actually supporting this new service. > > Those broadcasters who are testing IBOC, in my humble opinion, do not know > how to run a technologically advanced station. IBOC is not a step forward, it's > a step back. Those AM radio stations who broadcast in C-QUAM AM Stereo are the > most advanced of them all. The only step forward is mandated C-QUAM on the > X-Band and the 50 kW non-directional Class A stations. It's time to give up on > IBOC, and focus on C-QUAM AM Stereo and FM Stereo only. > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sun Nov 02 17:07:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 322 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 01:07:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 01:07:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 01:07:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2003 01:07:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 01:07:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on IBOC, DRM, AM Stereo, FM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.1b37fdcf.2cd6d306@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 185 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > Why work on a digital system when C-QUAM AM Stereo and FM Stereo > are ALREADY > CAPABLE of CD-quality sound? Don't forget we also now have CAM-D as a good alternative to IBOC. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Nov 02 17:20:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40277 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 01:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 01:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 01:20:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2003 01:20:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 01:20:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on IBOC, DRM, AM Stereo, FM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 451 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 207.88.181.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" < jimsmith@v...> wrote: > Not just mandate some stations to c-quam brodcast be all to trassmitt > c-quam am stereo. Jim S To reiterate what somewone else has said, even FM stereo is not mandatory to broadcast on the FM broadcast band, nor MTS stereo for TV? (Although ATSC digital TV -is- so mandated by the end of the decade.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Oh, and 770 is KKOB as heard from here.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Nov 02 17:39:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51860 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 01:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 01:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 01:39:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2003 01:39:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 01:38:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on IBOC, DRM, AM Stereo, FM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1599 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 207.88.181.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" < bossmsx2@y...> wrote: > > Why work on a digital system when C-QUAM AM Stereo and FM Stereo > > are ALREADY > > CAPABLE of CD-quality sound? > > Don't forget we also now have CAM-D as a good alternative to IBOC. It hasn't even been experimentally broadcast yet; however, I have a few thoughts, here, if I may: CAM-D is based on Kahn's ISB AM stereo system with a digital overlay, right? In theory, based on Kahn's ISB model (generated from an inverted L-R PM to obtain sideband cancellation to acheive true ISB), and C-QUAM is also based on an L-R PM carrier whose AM component is in quadrature with the main AM audio, if one inverts the L-R in a Kahn transmitter, one has at the vary least a semi-compatible C-QUAM, and thus CAM-D could be theoretically be made fully C-QUAM-usable, if not completely compatible, this making CAM-D usable on the ~20 million AMS radios still currently available. But don't tell Mr. Kahn that- He may be bright, but not quite the same one, and any mention of C-QUAM only would trigger an explosion. Too bad he's not so stable- His AMS proposals since the 1950s would have been taken much more seriously, and we might have had ISB AM stereo as a reality for over 40 years by now. (Although I still prefer the RCA AM/FM AM stereo system, and RCA had at least two ISB proposals based on two previous models- Kahn tainted ISB forever. :( ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (If I remember correctly, JSG's "C-ISB" concept bears similarity to RCA's QAM-ISB proposal, which would have required a sync detector.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Nov 02 17:42:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83055 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 01:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 01:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 01:42:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2003 01:42:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 01:42:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on IBOC, DRM, AM Stereo, FM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 303 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 207.88.181.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" < amymousie@y...> wrote: > But don't tell Mr. Kahn that- He may be bright, but not quite the > same one, and any mention of C-QUAM only would trigger an > explosion. My night for typos! :P Should be "but not quite the SANE one". Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 02 18:33:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79566 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 02:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 02:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 02:33:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2003 02:33:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 02:33:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on IBOC, DRM, AM Stereo, FM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1000 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > But don't tell Mr. Kahn that- He may be bright, but not quite the > same one, and any mention of C-QUAM only would trigger an > explosion. You are correct in that CAM-D would work equally fine with its digital signal overlayed onto a C-Quam AM Stereo signal... but of course Ol' Lenny would have no part of that. Indeed, even when dissing C-Quam, he doesn't refer to it by name, perhaps because "C-Quam" is trademarked by Motorola and that's the last company whose products he wants to support. He simply refers to it as the "phase modulation system" for AM Stereo... which brings up another point, that is to NEVER tell Kahn that his AM Stereo system uses phase modulation as well. As far as he wants us to be concerned, it is strictly a "Compatible Sideband" AM Stereo system. It's both sad and amusing that Leonard Kahn's biggest enemy has always been himself. I like to call him the "Ralph Nader of the radio industry", and in many ways, I think that analogy fits very well. From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Nov 02 19:46:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72625 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 03:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 03:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.15) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 03:46:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:46:25 -0800 Received: from 172.140.33.181 by bay7-dav43.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 03:46:25 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: , Subject: More M and X-Class Flares On The Way Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:45:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2003 03:46:25.0854 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E5F8DE0:01C3A1BD] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.140.33.181] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 ----- Original Message ----- From: > More M and X-Class Flares On The Way...11/02/03 by Mitch Battros (ECTV) The Space Weather Center has just released a report of a X-9 flare exploding from sunspot region 486. A CME will be hitting the Earth's magnetic field within 48 hours. More beautiful auroras on the way. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Nov 02 19:51:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13326 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 03:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 03:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 03:51:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20031103035103.99720.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:51:03 PST Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:51:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} More M and X-Class Flares On The Way To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It would be nice the auroras if only the rain stops;-) Michael Possum Hunter wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: > More M and X-Class Flares On The Way...11/02/03 by Mitch Battros (ECTV) The Space Weather Center has just released a report of a X-9 flare exploding from sunspot region 486. A CME will be hitting the Earth's magnetic field within 48 hours. More beautiful auroras on the way. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 02 20:41:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57298 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 04:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 04:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 04:41:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20031103044121.11150.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.86] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Nov 2003 20:41:21 PST Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:41:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} More M and X-Class Flares On The Way To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > More M and X-Class Flares On The Way...11/02/03 > by Mitch Battros (ECTV) > The Space Weather Center has just released a report > of a X-9 flare > exploding from sunspot region 486. A CME will be > hitting the Earth's > magnetic field within 48 hours. More beautiful > auroras on the way. Since these flares areform sunspots not totally earth facing, the effect will not be as bad as when we were hit square on earlier, but I want to see some Auroras.... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 02 20:50:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8359 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 04:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 04:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 04:50:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20031103045011.82515.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.86] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Nov 2003 20:50:11 PST Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:50:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: the band is really dead! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031103044121.11150.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I'm sitting here playing standards / MOR into my little Alfredo Lite on 1000 and not a whisper from WMVP in Chicago, nor a trace of a beat note. Powell ( in AM stereo, where available ) ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Nov 02 21:13:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75500 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 05:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 05:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 05:13:23 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031103051318.TGZH1636.fed1mtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:13:18 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 21:14:04 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Dxing Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8ADDDDAA-0DBC-11D8-B040-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This was sent to me by an AM stereo fan: > > To answer your questions, all of the above...er, below. > > The audio processor that feeds the main transmitter was recently=20 > replaced with an "Ibiquity-friendly" unit; i.e., one that can roll off=20 > the analog audio above 5 KHz.=A0 To be honest, I don't know where the=20 > rolloff is currently set, it might be 8 KHz.=A0 I didn't do the setup. > > In the Ibiquity scheme, the analog component is mono.=A0 Therefore, KNX=20 > no longer puts out any stereo analog audio on its carrier. > > We have a new engineering manager who did the audio knob twisting. > > Some or all of that has probably caused the differences that you are=20 > hearing. > > (name removed so he won't get ticked) > KNX - Los Angeles [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Nov 02 21:32:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84356 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 05:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 05:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.91) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 05:32:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 21:32:38 -0800 Received: from 172.140.33.181 by bay7-dav34.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 05:32:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031103045011.82515.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} the band is really dead! Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:31:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2003 05:32:38.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4AECD80:01C3A1CB] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.140.33.181] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > I'm sitting here playing standards / MOR into my little Alfredo Lite on 1000 and not a whisper from WMVP in Chicago, nor a trace of a beat note. On 1000 all I hear is Spanish music. On the other hand WTTM has a full quieting signal once again on 1680 with just a bit of platform motion. It seems like the worse the conditions get, the better WTTM's signal is!?!? Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 02 22:13:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49907 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 06:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 06:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 06:13:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2003 06:13:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:13:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: the band is really dead! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 602 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I also noticed last night I was getting virtually no skywave at all; local stations that normally get clobbered by graveyard-channel chatter were coming in clearly, as were a few local TISes, including KMNI707 on 530 kHz from Elmwood Park, NJ, which must've added another transmitter or something, because day and night, their signal is coming in better than ever before. And meanwhile, the Rutgers University TIS on 530 kHz seems to have gone off the air entirely, as I haven't heard them in over 6 months, even though there are still signs on campus promoting "Rutgers Info Radio, 530 AM". From amstereo@optushome.com.au Mon Nov 03 01:38:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37715 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 09:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 09:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 09:38:26 -0000 Received: from allathlon (c210-49-74-241.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.74.241]) by mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id hA39cOD09062 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:38:24 +1100 Message-ID: <000c01c3a1ee$4cdc72f0$2302a8c0@allathlon> To: References: <200311030437.hA34bdv10822@mail018.syd.optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: 4BC Brisbane Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:38:55 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "amstereo - matt2" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "amstereoforum @ yahoogroups . com" Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:37 PM Subject: Re: 4BC Brisbane > yes 4bc are still stereo, but they don't use it very much. the odd ad is stereo but > most stuff (apart from CD's) is in mono. > > we have alot of stations in brisbane areas. > > 90.9 > 91.9 > 92.1 > 92.7? > sbs > river949 > 96.5 > 97.3 > 98.1 > 98.9 > 99.5 > 100.3 > 100.7 > 101.1 > 102.1 > 102.9 > 103.7 > 104.5 > 105.3 > 106.1 > 107.7 > easy , there are more. > From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Nov 03 04:18:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43266 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 12:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 12:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 12:18:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2003 12:18:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:18:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.53.203 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > >Howdy!!!! Am 770 would be KCBC 770 AM STEREO Riverbank Ca. Its 50 > >kw day time bile power. Jim S > What is bile power? Is that something new from the FCC? I could > make out the rest of your note, except that. BTW, bile is secreted > by the liver to aid in digestion. - Mario O > > http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/liver/bile.h > tml I ment "bible power" Holly roller god fear'n Jim S From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Nov 03 04:53:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2072 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 12:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 12:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 12:53:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2003 12:53:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:53:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KNX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 879 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.53.203 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin wrote: > Richard, > > I will truly miss the Drama Hour. I listened to it here in Mesa, Arizona > quite regularly. > > I will certainly miss the stereo. There are no stations in the Phoenix > area running anything other than a pilot. > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona > > On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 08:00 PM, > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > Message: 23 > > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:25:25 -0800 > > From: Richard Wagoner Drop Kxn a e-mail www.knx1070.com Jim s > > Subject: KNX > > > > > > I don't know if you already heard this, but War of the Worlds, aired > > October 31 on KNX, was the last show of the popular KNX Drama Hour. The > > Drama Hour is the second casualty of the "new KNX." Actually third: > > First was stereo, second was the GM, > > > > Richard Wagoner From dan@broadcasttechnical.com Mon Nov 03 10:16:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dan@broadcasttechnical.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49016 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 18:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 18:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 18:16:47 -0000 Received: from dan.broadcasttechnical.com ([64.180.122.175]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.00.05.00 201-2115-109-20030812) with ESMTP id <20031103181646.EBUV11917.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@dan.broadcasttechnical.com> for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:16:46 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20031103101326.02848590@pop.telusplanet.net> X-Sender: swdbts@telusplanet.net@pop.telusplanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:30:13 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What's up with Salem? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Dan Roach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157087100 X-Yahoo-Profile: rastadudeca > >Back on the subject of AM, did anyone ever manufacture an AM >transmitter that used 4-1000As for the finals and modulators? I would >think you could build a 5 kW rig with a pair of 4-1000As in the >modulator and a pair of 4-1000As as the final RF amplifier, although I >have never seen or heard of this being done, does anyone know if it >was? > >John Yup. CCA 2.5 kW AM was configured just as you describe. I have only ever seen one in service...the CCA AM-2500D Dan Dan Roach S.W.Davis Broadcast Technical Services 200-1543 Venables St Vancouver, BC V5L 2G8 Tel 604 255 2200 Fax 604 255 4083 dan@broadcasttechnical.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Nov 03 13:49:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41467 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 21:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 21:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 21:49:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2003 21:49:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:49:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KNX Drama Hour post mortem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1596 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I emailed them over the weekend (Saturday, I think) asking if they could put it on another station and threatened to listen to "When Radio Was" on KSL 1160 (Salt Lake City) if they didn't. I haven't gotten a reply yet... still waiting... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin wrote: > (Oct. 31, 2003) - As the raging fires have devastated Southern > California, the positive role KNX has played in helping our listeners > deal with this emergency has become evident. Listeners in San Bernardino > lost local radio station coverage and depended on KNX for evacuation > information and updates on where the fire was heading. Listeners in Simi > Valley got needed traffic information on freeway closures and alternate > routes around critical fire areas. Other areas such as San Diego and > Santa Barbara Counties do not have an all news station and are dependent > on KNX's 50,000-watt signal. > > This also goes beyond the wildfire crisis. Other ongoing and recent > events, such as the mass transit and supermarket strikes, the California > gubernatorial recall election and the war in Iraq have highlighted our > need to provide news around the clock. Based on KNX's role in serving > the public we have decided to end the broadcast of the Drama Hour and > remain a 24/7 full-service news operation. The Drama Hour has had a > long, great run on KNX but our news listeners should always be our > number one concern. > > Thanks for supporting KNX 1070 NEWSRADIO. > > Please send comments to:KNXDrama-@cbs.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Nov 03 13:54:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12363 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 21:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 21:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 21:54:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2003 21:54:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:54:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3259A86E-0D7B-11D8-B040-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1086 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Last time I was near that area, 540 (Tijuana I'm quite sure) was either weak or inaudible. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Should be, but I never heard if the Hesperia transmitter on the same > frequency -- the reason owner Saul Levine got 1650 in the first place > (before he sold it) -- was ever actually turned off. > > On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 07:04 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner < > > rwagoner@c...> wrote: > > > KFOX is licensed to TORRANCE??? I don't think their > > transmitter is > > > within 50 miles of Torrance. I seem to recall the old owner > > claiming > > > Torrance for the old 540 AM (which better be off the air since > > 1650 was > > > supposed to replace it) , which actually broadcast/transmitted > > from > > > Hesperia. > > > > 540 should be XESURF, formerly XEJAZZ and XEBACH, formerly > > in AM stereo, now in jazzy mono, from Tijuana, as far as I know. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Nov 03 14:02:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13349 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 22:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 22:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 22:02:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2003 22:02:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:02:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KNX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 140 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Have you heard those ABSURD new KNX top-of-the-hour IDs? Good Lord have mercy! Who did they put in charge over there? Mortimer Snerd? From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Mon Nov 03 14:27:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24169 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 22:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 22:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 22:27:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2003 22:27:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:27:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KNX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 206 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > ABSURD new KNX top-of-the-hour IDs? For those of us not blessed with the ability to hear KNX, could you describe just what travesty the idiots at Infinity are doing on the new KNX TOH ID? --Tony S. From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 04 14:20:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71803 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2003 22:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2003 22:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2003 22:20:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20031104222001.52090.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.45.164] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:20:01 PST Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:20:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Super solar flare To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Another super big one, rated X20+ and the sensors saturated, it actually could be of historic proportions, the spaceweather site said "historic"... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Nov 04 17:18:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30122 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2003 01:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2003 01:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.17) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2003 01:18:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:18:04 -0800 Received: from 172.129.31.62 by bay7-dav45.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 01:18:03 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031104222001.52090.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Super solar flare Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:45:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2003 01:18:04.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9529C60:01C3A33A] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Another super big one, rated X20+ and the sensors saturated, it actually could be of historic proportions, Yea, and the AM band is dead as a door nail. The only X-Bander I am hearing is a TIS on 1690 for Wild Adventures theme park near Valdosta, GA. 1510 and 1530 are even dead! Kevin From stodd@vippn.com Tue Nov 04 17:18:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94111 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2003 01:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2003 01:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2003 01:18:44 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c3a33a$cf9b54c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Thoughts on IBOC, DRM, AM Stereo, FM Stereo Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:18:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't see the point in CAM-D since it obsoletes current AMS receivers. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony" > Don't forget we also now have CAM-D as a good alternative to IBOC. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Tue Nov 04 17:32:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65043 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2003 01:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2003 01:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2003 01:32:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2003 01:32:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 01:32:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on IBOC, DRM, AM Stereo, FM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c3a33a$cf9b54c0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 397 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I don't see the point in CAM-D since it obsoletes current AMS > receivers. Not the SRF-A1/SRF-A100, and, additionally, if it uses the Kahn- Hazeltine pilot tone, several other models.....It's alot more compatible than IBOC, that's for sure, and certainly the 'lesser of the two evils' when put next to IBOC. --tony s. From chris@lledgerock.com Tue Nov 04 19:55:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87747 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2003 03:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2003 03:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lledgerock.com) (216.238.161.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2003 03:55:22 -0000 Received: from chris (unknown [192.168.168.101]) by lledgerock.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A19C632C86 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:55:21 -0500 (EST) To: "AM Stereo" Subject: Question Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:55:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Chris Curtis" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.161.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a couple of questions I would like to pass on, if anyone out there can help 1. My father has an 00/01 Dodge 2500 Ram with the RAZ radio. When I put i= t on 1540 WPTR (only local stereo station for me), I do not get a stereo ligh= t Do I need to wait a few? I wait like 10 seconds or so, and it doesn=92t go into stereo. Lately, I have been getting some NYC stations during the day, but 66 WFAN seems to be the only AMS station I can get up here in the capital region NY= , and I haven=92t tried the NYC stations yet. 2. I own an =9203 GTI with the 2Din Monsoon radio and a =9295 Pathy with a Pioneer DEH-2500 Can I add AMS to both those radios w/o much major surgery? Did the =9295 Pathy XE have the Nissan AMS 1Din radio? 3. My mother has an =9203 H2 with the Delphi/Bose radio w/o Tape. Does tha= t have AMS? It doesn=92t indicate FMS, but I dunno if it has AMS? Thank you Chris Curtis Galway, NY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Nov 04 20:03:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 391 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2003 04:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2003 04:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11608.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.60) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2003 04:03:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20031105040318.32975.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.137.24.39] by web11608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:03:18 PST Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:03:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: tube am stereo receivers? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Douglas Barricklow X-Originating-IP: 216.136.172.60 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Hi there... I just came across your group (and Web site) today. Maybe someone here will have an answer to a question I've been wondering about... How many tube receivers were made with AM Stereo capability? I noticed the 1959 DeWald model on your site, but were there others? Is there a current tube amp company that produces tube receivers... and maybe one with AM Stereo capability??? I'm very curious! thanks in advance, Douglas Dallas, TX From bratina501@msn.com Tue Nov 04 21:21:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72277 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2003 05:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2003 05:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2003 05:21:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2003 05:21:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 05:21:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 817 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.91 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Curtis" wrote: > I have a couple of questions I would like to pass on, if anyone out there > can help > > 1. My father has an 00/01 Dodge 2500 Ram with the RAZ radio. When I put it > on 1540 WPTR (only local stereo station for me), I do not get a stereo light > Do I need to wait a few? I wait like 10 seconds or so, and it doesn't go > into stereo. Lately, I have been getting some NYC stations during the day, > but 66 WFAN Sounds like the RAZ radio is the AM/FM stereo one. Does it have a two or three band equalizer? If it is two bands it is AM/FM stereo if it has three it is AM stereo/FM stereo. If it is AM stereo/FM stereo it will take three seconds to lock on to the signal. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Nov 05 00:20:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73338 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2003 08:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2003 08:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2003 08:20:33 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.37.156]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 03:23:49 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c3a375$8beef3e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 03:19:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 WPTR stopped the stereo a while back. WFAN no longer broadcast in stereo either. None of the radios you mention is equipped for stereo AM- most of them are using the new 1-pin AM audio system to the DSP IC, making conversion impossible. The Pioneer 2500 I believe can be converted. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Curtis To: AM Stereo Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:55 PM Subject: {AMSF} Question I have a couple of questions I would like to pass on, if anyone out there can help From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Nov 05 00:23:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89425 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2003 08:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2003 08:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2003 08:23:04 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.37.156]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 03:26:05 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c3a375$dd1751e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Thoughts on IBOC, DRM, AM Stereo, FM Stereo Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 03:21:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 As well, the MC13028 and the TA8124 can be run in forced stereo mode- cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Thoughts on IBOC, DRM, AM Stereo, FM Stereo > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > I don't see the point in CAM-D since it obsoletes current AMS > > receivers. > > Not the SRF-A1/SRF-A100, and, additionally, if it uses the Kahn- > Hazeltine pilot tone, several other models.....It's alot more > compatible than IBOC, that's for sure, and certainly the 'lesser of > the two evils' when put next to IBOC. > > --tony s. From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Nov 05 00:25:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24019 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2003 08:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2003 08:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2003 08:25:09 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.37.156]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 03:27:48 -0500 Message-ID: <003301c3a376$1a373540$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20031104222001.52090.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Super solar flare Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 03:23:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Yup- no stations here, either.... but the furnace motor and spark module is coming in fine! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:45 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Super solar flare > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > Another super big one, rated X20+ and the sensors saturated, it actually > could be of historic proportions, > > Yea, and the AM band is dead as a door nail. The only X-Bander I am hearing > is a TIS on 1690 for Wild Adventures theme park near Valdosta, GA. 1510 and > 1530 are even dead! > > Kevin From mark_608@hotmail.com Wed Nov 05 06:07:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22930 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2003 14:07:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2003 14:07:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2003 14:07:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 06:07:44 -0800 Received: from 136.2.1.153 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:07:43 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Sony XAV-7W Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:07:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2003 14:07:44.0196 (UTC) FILETIME=[2ED2A040:01C3A3A6] From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.17.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Chris, Maybe you know the answer to this... is the Sony XAV-7W car stereo a good candidate for conversion?(This is the one with the motorized TV monitor) I got my hands on one with a couple problems for pretty cheap and I am wondering if I could upgrade to AM$ while I have it apart... :) Mark _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... http://shopping.msn.com From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Nov 05 06:13:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4057 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2003 14:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2003 14:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2003 14:13:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2003 14:13:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:13:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c3a375$8beef3e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 411 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.92 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > WPTR stopped the stereo a while back. WFAN no longer broadcast in > stereo > either. What is it with Crawford and Infinity these days? These companies were very friendly to AM Stereo up until a year or a year and a half ago, and now suddenly they're turning the pilots off like the plague...Does anyone know of any set corporate reason as to why they're doing this shutdown of stereo en masse? Tony S. From roy.sandgren@telia.com Wed Nov 05 06:28:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13472 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2003 14:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2003 14:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2003 14:28:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2003 14:28:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:28:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CAM-D and reciervers Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 342 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radio774" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.68 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Hello AM-fans,have 3 simple questions. 1. Any am-stations in the world with CAM-D in service?? 2. Any recievers in the market able to pick-up CAM-D?? 3. Any manufactories still made am-stereo recievers in the world, able to pick up CAM-D. I want to to some tests with CAM-D on my comming am-station on a legal ship. Roy From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Nov 05 07:02:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71409 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2003 15:02:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2003 15:02:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2003 15:02:40 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:05:57 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c3a3ad$db2b65f0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony XAV-7W Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:02:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I just checked the S/M, and it uses an all in one IC for the DSP, volume, etc. Single Mono am input pin, not a conversion candidate. sorry.. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sundquist" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:07 AM Subject: {AMSF} Sony XAV-7W > Chris, > Maybe you know the answer to this... > > is the Sony XAV-7W car stereo a good candidate for conversion From mark_608@hotmail.com Wed Nov 05 09:54:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83372 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2003 17:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2003 17:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.29) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2003 17:54:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:53:35 -0800 Received: from 136.2.1.153 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:53:34 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony XAV-7W Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:53:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2003 17:53:35.0622 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC1A2260:01C3A3C5] From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.17.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 DOH! Thanks, Chris! Could you tell me the voltage specified for the mini lamps used in for the face plate illumination? Mark >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony XAV-7W >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:02:39 -0500 > >I just checked the S/M, and it uses an all in one IC for the DSP, volume, >etc. Single Mono am input pin, not a conversion candidate. >sorry.. >cc >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Sundquist" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:07 AM >Subject: {AMSF} Sony XAV-7W > > > > Chris, > > Maybe you know the answer to this... > > > > is the Sony XAV-7W car stereo a good candidate for conversion > _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Nov 05 11:03:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67736 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2003 19:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2003 19:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2003 19:03:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2003 19:02:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:02:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KNX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1464 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > ABSURD new KNX top-of-the-hour IDs? > > For those of us not blessed with the ability to hear KNX, could you > describe just what travesty the idiots at Infinity are doing on the > new KNX TOH ID? > > --Tony S. (1) Bedlam of voices, which fades into . . . (2) Bedlam of electronic noise which fades into . . . (3) Deep-voice hyper-dramatic announcer dude: "Information . . ." (4) Long pause . . . (5) "is power." (6) Long pause . . . (7) "KNX" (8) Absurdly long pause (3 or 4 seconds) . . . (9) Literally in a breathless whisper: "Los Angeles!" Interesting that they killed the stereo just in time for the new undoubtedly stereo liners. They're also cutting off the 10-minute 7 AM CBS newscast at the 8 minute mark, and seem to be running many MORE commercials than a couple weeks ago--I don't have time for an analysis, but I think it may be more than 50 percent of total air time! And they're wasting 30 additional seconds every hour or so with a silly promo (with the same Don La Fontane wannabe's Moses-parts-the-Red-Sea read) about how a KNX report helped a parent know what questions to ask their daycare provider. Maybe they can just run promos and commercials and do away with the reporting entirely. They're pretty close to that now. KFWB doesn't seem to be suffering from such "improvements," so I've been spending more time tuned there instead. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Nov 05 23:45:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2611 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2003 07:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2003 07:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2003 07:41:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2003 07:41:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:41:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: please rate this signal.... (KFWB) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 281 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.91 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/KFWBnewstime441+trafficstart.mp3 it's actually kinda like 2 parts - first is callsign & time, second is beginning of traffic report. 1st part is using Panasonic RQ-SW10 in my back yard with no aids, 2nd part I have the radio sitting on a fence. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Nov 05 23:59:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55076 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2003 07:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2003 07:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2003 07:59:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20031106075931.28797.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 23:59:31 PST Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:59:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} please rate this signal.... (KFWB) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.34 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Kevin The fence makes a huge signal gain in dxing. We have one on the right of way next to the house.About 30 feet long. How bigs your fence. pianoplayer88key wrote: http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/KFWBnewstime441+trafficstart.mp3 it's actually kinda like 2 parts - first is callsign & time, second is beginning of traffic report. 1st part is using Panasonic RQ-SW10 in my back yard with no aids, 2nd part I have the radio sitting on a fence. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Nov 06 00:24:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70584 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2003 08:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2003 08:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2003 08:24:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2003 08:24:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:24:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} please rate this signal.... (KFWB) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031106075931.28797.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1017 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.90 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key name's Stephen btw. :) the one I was using was probably around 50 to 100 feet long, haven't measured it. What do you think of the un-fenced signal? There's another station on 970 that I listen to Clark Howard on sometimes and it's about that strength. ;) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Hello Kevin > The fence makes a huge signal gain in dxing. > We have one on the right of way next to the house.About 30 feet long. > How bigs your fence. > > > pianoplayer88key wrote: > http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/KFWBnewstime441+trafficstart.mp3 > > it's actually kinda like 2 parts - first is callsign & time, second is > beginning of traffic report. 1st part is using Panasonic RQ-SW10 in > my back yard with no aids, 2nd part I have the radio sitting on a fence. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jim@burgan.net Thu Nov 06 05:14:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56805 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2003 13:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2003 13:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-3.iquest.net) (206.246.180.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2003 13:14:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 2916 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2003 13:14:27 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-3.iquest.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 2003 13:14:27 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-94.iquest.net [209.43.58.94]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with SMTP id ATR65548; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:14:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001a01c3a467$e80d5340$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Question Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:14:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Originating-IP: 206.246.180.53 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > WPTR stopped the stereo a while back. WFAN no longer broadcast in > > stereo > > either. > > What is it with Crawford and Infinity these days? These companies > were very friendly to AM Stereo up until a year or a year and a half > ago, and now suddenly they're turning the pilots off like the > plague...Does anyone know of any set corporate reason as to why > they're doing this shutdown of stereo en masse? If you talk to the engineering staff at any of these stations you get the same reply... "AM Stereo reduces our groundwave contour..." (they appear to apply the logic of FM's subcarriers to AM)... or, "We're getting ready for digital..." or "Our night-time signal is degraded when we broadcast in stereo...". We all know that the only one that hold water is the one about 'going digital', but we also know that MW IBOC is a disaster and will never work under the current technology. From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Nov 06 07:52:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30417 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2003 15:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2003 15:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2003 15:51:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (d208-osel-phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.197]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hA6FpGR27928 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:51:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:51:05 -0700 Subject: Crawford Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1068112258.2229.86800.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: <079DF5C4-1071-11D8-AD39-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Originating-IP: 204.62.193.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla I talked to Cris Alexander a while back and he said that the corporate heads are all behind IBOC and thats the reason that the pilots are going off. The corporate folks want to see their stations on the cutting edge of technology. Thats it in a nutshell. Kevin On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 02:50 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > What is it with Crawford and Infinity these days? These companies > were very friendly to AM Stereo up until a year or a year and a half > ago, and now suddenly they're turning the pilots off like the > plague...Does anyone know of any set corporate reason as to why > they're doing this shutdown of stereo en masse? > > Tony S. > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Nov 06 09:05:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58148 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2003 17:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2003 17:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2003 17:05:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2003 17:05:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:05:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WGAI's McMartian transmitter on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 141 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.76 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Looks like 560 WGAI is selling their McMartian, er... McMartin transmitter: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3057176507 From e92fmjamz@yahoo.com Thu Nov 06 12:26:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: e92fmjamz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1674 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2003 20:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2003 20:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14008.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.124) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2003 20:26:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20031106202620.57762.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.26.192.100] by web14008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:26:20 PST Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:26:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGAI's McMartian transmitter on eBay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ernest Jones X-Originating-IP: 216.136.175.124 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24963319 X-Yahoo-Profile: e92fmjamz I saw first hand that the tranny wasn't working, hasn't been in service for roughly 2 years..., something with the RF drive or something...looks like it would be a decent project for someone to work on though..or at least for parts... --- "Kevin T." wrote: > Looks like 560 WGAI is selling their McMartian, > er... McMartin > transmitter: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3057176507 > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 06 13:00:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32880 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2003 21:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2003 21:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2003 21:00:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20031106210016.25604.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.43.150] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:00:16 PST Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:00:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGAI's McMartian transmitter on eBay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > Looks like 560 WGAI is selling their McMartian, > er... McMartin > transmitter: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3057176507 Looks like the current bidder is Clarence Jones, W4DTW who has also rescued and restored a Gates 1 KW for AM on the ham bands. Powell W4OPW ( AM on 7290 ) ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Nov 06 13:10:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24107 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2003 21:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2003 21:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2003 21:10:04 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.105]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:10:04 -0700 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} WGAI's McMartian transmitter on eBay Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:10:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20031106202620.57762.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Originating-IP: 209.193.72.41 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well doesn't THAT look familiar! :) That's the exact same transmitter we use. Might be noteworthy to mention that this transmitter is also AM STEREO-ready. Bob Carter himself did the engineering for the interface of the AM Stereo exciter onto the transmitter's built-in exciter. I know this because he helped me convert mine based on what he did to this one. Inside of this transmitter there is a toggle switch and a co-ax connector so that the output of an AM Stereo exciter can be hooked right on to it and the toggle switch controls which input is feeding the transmitter.....either the on-board mono exciter or the BNC input for an AM Stereo exciter's output. That is unless they took out the switch and the connector, which I highly doubt he did. I will say first hand that this transmitter works beautifully for AM Stereo. Ours does a fantastic job! Michael n WYO KEVA Country AM Stereo 1240 -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Jones [mailto:e92fmjamz@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:26 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGAI's McMartian transmitter on eBay I saw first hand that the tranny wasn't working, hasn't been in service for roughly 2 years..., something with the RF drive or something...looks like it would be a decent project for someone to work on though..or at least for parts... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereorules@msn.com Thu Nov 06 14:36:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88796 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2003 22:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2003 22:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2003 22:36:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2003 22:36:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:36:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on IBOC, DRM, AM Stereo, FM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c3a375$dd1751e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 99 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >As well, the MC13028 and the TA8124 can be run in forced stereo mode- HOW???? Which pins??? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Nov 06 16:26:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66063 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2003 00:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2003 00:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2003 00:26:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2003 00:26:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 00:26:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Crawford Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <079DF5C4-1071-11D8-AD39-00050291D22F@fastq.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4618 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Why couldn't they leave the pilots on until they are actually ready to switch on the IBOC? 02-23-2004 11:47:12am. C-Quam pilot on, IBOC equipment being hooked up 02-23-2004 11:52:27am. C-Quam pilot on, IBOC equipment ready to be turned on 02-23-2004 11:52:29am. C-Quam pilot switched off, IBOC waiting to be turned on 02-23-2004 11:52:30am. C-Quam pilot off, IBOC switched on. 02-23-2004 11:52:44am. testing of in-studio/transmitter-area IBOC reception commences 02-23-2004 11:55:32am. IBOC test succesful according to people at station 02-23-2004 11:55:36am. switch on C-Quam to see if it works with IBOC 02-23-2004 11:55:41am. start testing C-Quam (with SRF-42 or SRF-A300 or Fanfare FTA-100) and IBOC (with IBOC radio) 02-23-2004 11:58:12am. tests are successful. begin brief discussion with management and staff about what to do with station 02-23-2004 11:59:42am. decision made: both IBOC and C-Quam remain on. 02-23-2004 11:59:45am. management and staff resume normal operations 02-23-2004 11:59:50am. "#--'All you need to know. #--' KNX 1070 Newsradio. It's noon on KNX Los Angeles." 02-25-2004 03:17:24pm. phone call into station from listener complaining about reception quality. "I am having trouble hearing KNX on my IBOC radio here in San Bernardino. With my normal analog radio, it's fine." 02-27-2004 12:26:19pm. another call of complaint. "I can't hear KNX here in Palm Springs! What happened?" "What radio are you using?" (caller lists a decent-quality IBOC radio) "Have you tried the radio you used to listen to it on, recently?" "No, let me try it." (a 1-minute pause...) "Yes, I can hear it ok, but it's somewhat scratchy." 02-28-2004 09:44:37am. "Hi, KNX. I can't hear 980 at all here in Long Beach. All I get is a nasty hiss on my radio which gets worse when I tune to KNX." "Uh oh. Sounds like we're interfering with KFWB's signal and we shouldn't be, especially as far apart as they are on the dial. Just a second, let me turn off the IBOC for a minute, and you tell me if it helps." (turns off IBOC) "Yes, now I can hear KFWB just fine. Please leave it off." "Actually, I have to turn it back on until management says I can leave it off. I'll let them know about your situation about not being able to hear KFWB with it on, though." 02-29-2004 10:52:29am. another caller, this time from Yuma, AZ. "You're trying to listen to KNX from Yuma? I didn't know our signal even went that far!!" "Well, it used to before you turned on the IBOC, but now I can't hear it. I drove through El Centro and San Diego to Orange County on the 27th, and came back home yesterday evening, and didn't hear it until I got to Oceanside. :( Before you turned on IBOC, I could hear it, although faintly, with an antenna hooked up to my stereo, and in my car, here at home in Yuma." "Hmm... Well... just a minute let me ask my manager about this...." "Oh, also, when I was in Orange County, KNX's audio didn't sound very good. Sounded like the digital compression artifacts were very poor." "Ok, we'll look into it. I'll be right back... 02-29-2004 10:58:33am. "Someone's going to turn off the IBOC in a couple seconds.... ok, now it's off." "WOW!! I can hear KNX quite a bit better now than I used to even before IBOC! What happened? Do you broadcast with more power now?" "No. We turned on analog C-QUAM AM Stereo." "Hey, leave it on! It sounds much better on my radio now!" "Ok, we'll be leaving the stereo on and the IBOC off for the time being." "Hey, I can even hear KNX on my walkman now!! Thank-you!!" "Glad you're able to hear it. Any more suggestions?" "Yes, two of them. Bring back the old top and bottom of the hour jingles and IDs, and the Drama Hour." "Well, I'll talk to my superiors here and see what they say." "Ok. I'll stay tuned to KNX." --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin wrote: > I talked to Cris Alexander a while back and he said that the corporate > heads are all behind IBOC and thats the reason that the pilots are going > off. The corporate folks want to see their stations on the cutting edge > of technology. Thats it in a nutshell. > > Kevin > > On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 02:50 AM, > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > > What is it with Crawford and Infinity these days? These companies > > were very friendly to AM Stereo up until a year or a year and a half > > ago, and now suddenly they're turning the pilots off like the > > plague...Does anyone know of any set corporate reason as to why > > they're doing this shutdown of stereo en masse? > > > > Tony S. > > From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Nov 06 17:37:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46335 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2003 01:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2003 01:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2003 01:37:53 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hA71a1vk014642 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:36:01 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hA71a1g07952 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:36:01 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hA71a1x07940 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:36:01 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:36:00 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F4725D@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Crawford Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:36:00 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Originating-IP: 207.169.189.141 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Love it.. :) -----Original Message----- From: pianoplayer88key [mailto:pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 7 November 2003 10:26 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Crawford Why couldn't they leave the pilots on until they are actually ready to switch on the IBOC? 02-23-2004 11:47:12am. C-Quam pilot on, IBOC equipment being hooked up 02-23-2004 11:52:27am. C-Quam pilot on, IBOC equipment ready to be turned on 02-23-2004 11:52:29am. C-Quam pilot switched off, IBOC waiting to be turned on 02-23-2004 11:52:30am. C-Quam pilot off, IBOC switched on. 02-23-2004 11:52:44am. testing of in-studio/transmitter-area IBOC reception commences 02-23-2004 11:55:32am. IBOC test succesful according to people at station 02-23-2004 11:55:36am. switch on C-Quam to see if it works with IBOC 02-23-2004 11:55:41am. start testing C-Quam (with SRF-42 or SRF-A300 or Fanfare FTA-100) and IBOC (with IBOC radio) 02-23-2004 11:58:12am. tests are successful. begin brief discussion with management and staff about what to do with station 02-23-2004 11:59:42am. decision made: both IBOC and C-Quam remain on. 02-23-2004 11:59:45am. management and staff resume normal operations 02-23-2004 11:59:50am. "#--'All you need to know. #--' KNX 1070 Newsradio. It's noon on KNX Los Angeles." 02-25-2004 03:17:24pm. phone call into station from listener complaining about reception quality. "I am having trouble hearing KNX on my IBOC radio here in San Bernardino. With my normal analog radio, it's fine." 02-27-2004 12:26:19pm. another call of complaint. "I can't hear KNX here in Palm Springs! What happened?" "What radio are you using?" (caller lists a decent-quality IBOC radio) "Have you tried the radio you used to listen to it on, recently?" "No, let me try it." (a 1-minute pause...) "Yes, I can hear it ok, but it's somewhat scratchy." 02-28-2004 09:44:37am. "Hi, KNX. I can't hear 980 at all here in Long Beach. All I get is a nasty hiss on my radio which gets worse when I tune to KNX." "Uh oh. Sounds like we're interfering with KFWB's signal and we shouldn't be, especially as far apart as they are on the dial. Just a second, let me turn off the IBOC for a minute, and you tell me if it helps." (turns off IBOC) "Yes, now I can hear KFWB just fine. Please leave it off." "Actually, I have to turn it back on until management says I can leave it off. I'll let them know about your situation about not being able to hear KFWB with it on, though." 02-29-2004 10:52:29am. another caller, this time from Yuma, AZ. "You're trying to listen to KNX from Yuma? I didn't know our signal even went that far!!" "Well, it used to before you turned on the IBOC, but now I can't hear it. I drove through El Centro and San Diego to Orange County on the 27th, and came back home yesterday evening, and didn't hear it until I got to Oceanside. :( Before you turned on IBOC, I could hear it, although faintly, with an antenna hooked up to my stereo, and in my car, here at home in Yuma." "Hmm... Well... just a minute let me ask my manager about this...." "Oh, also, when I was in Orange County, KNX's audio didn't sound very good. Sounded like the digital compression artifacts were very poor." "Ok, we'll look into it. I'll be right back... 02-29-2004 10:58:33am. "Someone's going to turn off the IBOC in a couple seconds.... ok, now it's off." "WOW!! I can hear KNX quite a bit better now than I used to even before IBOC! What happened? Do you broadcast with more power now?" "No. We turned on analog C-QUAM AM Stereo." "Hey, leave it on! It sounds much better on my radio now!" "Ok, we'll be leaving the stereo on and the IBOC off for the time being." "Hey, I can even hear KNX on my walkman now!! Thank-you!!" "Glad you're able to hear it. Any more suggestions?" "Yes, two of them. Bring back the old top and bottom of the hour jingles and IDs, and the Drama Hour." "Well, I'll talk to my superiors here and see what they say." "Ok. I'll stay tuned to KNX." From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Nov 06 17:42:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28920 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2003 01:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2003 01:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2003 01:42:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2003 01:32:01 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84444 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2003 00:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2003 00:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2003 00:51:42 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.15.1bdd9af7 (17228) for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:51:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <15.1bdd9af7.2cdc4695@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:51:33 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Crawford To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 07 Nov 2003 01:31:58 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.70 IBOC is NOT "on the cutting edge" of technology. It is C-QUAM that's on the cutting edge (always has been, and always will be). The corporate heads are taking a step back in this matter. BTW, the pilot light and full Stereo are still on at KJSL 630 and KSTL 690...and Cris had BETTER KEEP THESE LIGHTS LIT. Otherwise, these stations will lose ALL of their remaining listeners. C-QUAM ONLY....NO TO IBOC! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Nov 07 02:17:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78191 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2003 10:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2003 10:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2003 10:17:53 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.fb.496edba8 (3850) for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 05:17:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 05:17:48 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGAI's McMartian transmitter on eBay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 152.163.225.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: Might be noteworthy to mention that this transmitter is also AM >STEREO-ready. Bob Carter himself did the engineering for the interface of >the AM Stereo exciter onto the transmitter's built-in exciter. I know this >because he helped me convert mine based on what he did to this one. Inside >of this transmitter there is a toggle switch and a co-ax connector so that >the output of an AM Stereo exciter can be hooked right on to it and the >toggle switch controls which input is feeding the transmitter.....either the >on-board mono exciter or the BNC input for an AM Stereo exciter's output. >That is unless they took out the switch and the connector, which I highly >doubt he did. > >I will say first hand that this transmitter works beautifully for AM Stereo. >Ours does a fantastic job! > >Michael n WYO >KEVA Country AM Stereo 1240 > The transmitter is still setup so that an AM Stereo exciter can be plugged in. These McMartins are very easy when it comes to retuning them for a different frequency.Parts and service is still available from Charlie Goodrich at www.goodrichenterprises.com ,uses 4-400's , two for the modulators and two for RF and operates on 220VAC.The transmitter has been out of service for a short period of time and plans from a while go to get a new solid state transmiter,[ BE AM 1A-- AM Stereo ready as well ] the time,effort, and expense to fix the transmiter was just not worth the trouble.If there is any station or anyone know of a station looking to "update" their transmitter plant or looking for a back-up transmitter,this might be a worth while project.The transmitter was originally installed here at WGAI in 1974 and operated as a main transmitter until the early 90's which at that time our Raytheon RA-1000 [ BTW--NOT for sale ] was put back online and used as a main transmitter. Anyone with further questions --serious inquires only-- can direct them to me at wgai560am@aol.com Happy bidding. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3057176507 Buyer will be responsible for pick up and delivery.Myself and another fellow engineer will help with loading the transmitter on your delivery truck...beyond that,that is all we can do. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur Radio------------------------- Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Nov 07 02:47:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98552 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2003 10:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2003 10:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2003 10:47:21 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1e3.12e2a0a9 (3850) for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 05:47:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1e3.12e2a0a9.2cdcd236@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 05:47:18 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGAI's McMartin transmitter on eBay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 152.163.225.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit take note of the corrected link.Yahoo somehow messed up the first one. Happy bidding. eBay item 3057176507 (Ends Nov-14-03 13:06:25 PST) - McMartin BA-1K 1 KW AM Transmitter Buyer will be responsible for pick up and delivery.Myself and another fellow engineer will help with loading the transmitter on your delivery truck...beyond that,that is all we can do. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur Radio------------------------- Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chris@lledgerock.com Fri Nov 07 16:13:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44318 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 00:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 00:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lledgerock.com) (216.238.161.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 00:13:40 -0000 Received: from chris (unknown [192.168.168.101]) by lledgerock.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E00DB32C86 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:13:28 -0500 (EST) To: "AM Stereo" Subject: Pioneer DEH-2300 Question Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:13:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Chris Curtis" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.161.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris-- Pioneer headunits can be converted, right? What I=92d like to know is if t= he AMS card can send the st light to the st light on the faceplate. Should the original wire-type am antenna on the windshield of my pathy work well with ams? I wish I had gotten the factory unit with the truck! Oh--- Did get the radio in my father=92s ram to get the ST light on with 16= 60, but no stereo still. Wish to get more, but stuff don=92t come in well with that radio for some reason 89 WLS seems a prime candidate, but I can=92t get it to come in, only sometimes during the day with my Premium VI Monsoon radio in my GTI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 07 20:53:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16354 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 04:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 04:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 04:53:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 04:53:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 04:53:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Greetings from Anaheim! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 310 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.105 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie And now I'm home. The last few days I didn't feel well enough to get some recordingf does, so bleh. :P Didn't have the time/energy to set up the dialup connection for my iBook after the switch from one hotel to another. Was a bad trip, so I'm glad I'm home. Now to catch up. :( *squeek* Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 07 21:52:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63840 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 05:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 05:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 05:52:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 05:52:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 05:52:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Dxing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8ADDDDAA-0DBC-11D8-B040-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 507 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > This was sent to me by an AM stereo fan: =snip= > > (name removed so he won't get ticked) > > KNX - Los Angeles A shame, really- The LA metro area has ONE MILLION AM stereo receivers in use right now (based on a 3.5-million population, with 6- 10 million radios available, figuring 10-15% AMS saturation). I really wonder if the number crunchers at these stations realize these particular numbers. :P ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 07 22:10:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43583 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 06:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 06:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 06:10:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 06:10:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 06:10:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Thoughts on IBOC, DRM, AM Stereo, FM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c3a33a$cf9b54c0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 544 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.75 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I don't see the point in CAM-D since it obsoletes current AMS receivers. As has been mentioned before, CAM-D is a digital overlay of Kahn's ISB, and is intended to be listenable on wideband AM receivers, and since Kahn's ISB and Motorola's C-QUAM are functionally the same, CAM- D should function well on a C-QUAM stereo broadecaster without problems, thus at least in theory, CAM-D would not make analog AM stereo obsolete; merely supplement it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 07 22:42:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24142 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 06:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 06:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 06:42:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 06:42:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 06:42:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: tube am stereo receivers? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031105040318.32975.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1145 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Barricklow wrote: > Hi there... > > I just came across your group (and Web site) today. > Maybe someone here will have an answer to a question > I've been wondering about... > > How many tube receivers were made with AM Stereo > capability? I noticed the 1959 DeWald model on your > site, but were there others? RCA made about 20 for their experimental AM stereo systems, some info on which you'll find here: http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/RCA-AM-Stereo.html Most of the other experimental single-carrier AMS receivers of the same period (1958-1960) were also made from tubes. There were some commercial dual-tuner AM radios made by a few manufacturers, like Pioneer, in the 1950s and '60s. > Is there a current tube amp company that produces tube > receivers... and maybe one with AM Stereo > capability??? No, but some HAVE made C-QUAM-capable tube AMS radios, like this one: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/3641/kou1tyuu2_ST_english.html There are also a couple efforts to reconstruct the RCA AMS radio in the previous URL. Welcome aboard! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 07 22:47:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95348 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 06:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 06:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 06:47:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 06:47:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 06:47:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 591 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.92 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > WPTR stopped the stereo a while back. WFAN no longer broadcast in > > stereo > > either. > > What is it with Crawford and Infinity these days? These companies > were very friendly to AM Stereo up until a year or a year and a half > ago, and now suddenly they're turning the pilots off like the > plague...Does anyone know of any set corporate reason as to why > they're doing this shutdown of stereo en masse? One word: IBOC. Break out the Pepto Bismol! Pink mousies for everyone! *hide* Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 07 22:53:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62660 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 06:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 06:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 06:53:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 06:53:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 06:53:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CAM-D and reciervers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 735 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.64 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radio774" wrote: > Hello AM-fans,have 3 simple questions. > 1. Any am-stations in the world with CAM-D in service?? Not yet. > 2. Any recievers in the market able to pick-up CAM-D?? Older multimode or ISB-capable analog radios for the 10 kHz analog portion, yes, and some DSP AM receivers might deal with the digital overlay. > 3. Any manufactories still made am-stereo recievers in the world, > able to pick up CAM-D. Not since the early '90s, except the Japan Radio NRC 545, which can do ISB. Kahn hasn't announced any makers of CAM-D receivers, yet. > I want to to some tests with CAM-D on my comming am-station on a > legal ship. Good luck. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 07 23:02:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81407 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 07:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 07:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 07:02:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 07:02:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 07:02:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KNX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 146 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.93 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Sounds like KNX has turned over to the Fox side. :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Glad to be out of that hellhole. Sorry Richard and other SoCal'ers. :( ) From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 07 23:07:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90503 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 07:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 07:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 07:07:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 07:07:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 07:07:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001a01c3a467$e80d5340$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1125 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > > > WPTR stopped the stereo a while back. WFAN no longer broadcast in > > > stereo > > > either. > > > > What is it with Crawford and Infinity these days? These companies > > were very friendly to AM Stereo up until a year or a year and a half > > ago, and now suddenly they're turning the pilots off like the > > plague...Does anyone know of any set corporate reason as to why > > they're doing this shutdown of stereo en masse? > > If you talk to the engineering staff at any of these stations you get the > same reply... "AM Stereo reduces our groundwave contour..." (they appear to > apply the logic of FM's subcarriers to AM)... or, "We're getting ready for > digital..." or "Our night-time signal is degraded when we broadcast in > stereo...". > We all know that the only one that hold water is the one about 'going > digital', but we also know that MW IBOC is a disaster and will never work > under the current technology. I would like to see these clowns prove their claims, rather than just reiterating trhem. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Nov 08 08:10:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56559 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 16:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 16:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 16:10:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 16:09:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 16:09:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: tube am stereo receivers? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1520 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Coffee Shop Times" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee <> Amy, thanks for the info! Does anyone have a list of these commercial dual-tuner AM Radios? Douglas --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Barricklow > wrote: > > Hi there... > > > > I just came across your group (and Web site) today. > > Maybe someone here will have an answer to a question > > I've been wondering about... > > > > How many tube receivers were made with AM Stereo > > capability? I noticed the 1959 DeWald model on your > > site, but were there others? > > RCA made about 20 for their experimental AM stereo systems, some info > on which you'll find here: > > http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/RCA-AM-Stereo.html > > Most of the other experimental single-carrier AMS receivers of the > same period (1958-1960) were also made from tubes. > > There were some commercial dual-tuner AM radios made by a few > manufacturers, like Pioneer, in the 1950s and '60s. > > > Is there a current tube amp company that produces tube > > receivers... and maybe one with AM Stereo > > capability??? > > No, but some HAVE made C-QUAM-capable tube AMS radios, like this one: > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/3641/kou1tyuu2_ST_english.html > > There are also a couple efforts to reconstruct the RCA AMS radio in > the previous URL. > > Welcome aboard! > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 08 10:12:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92293 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 18:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 18:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 18:12:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 18:12:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 18:12:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: tube am stereo receivers? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 843 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Coffee Shop Times" wrote: > < like Pioneer, in the 1950s and '60s.>> > > Amy, thanks for the info! Does anyone have a list of these commercial dual-tuner AM > Radios? A few of them can be found on the site mentioned in message # 13088: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/message/13088 (Follow the thread for more info.) This had to do with similar dual-tuner receivers in Australia, but the system was similarly used at least here in the US: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~cambie/Gallery2/Gallery2.htm http://www.alphalink.com.au/~cambie/Gallery3/Gallery3.htm And a zipfile with a few images and PDF files: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~cambie/Gallery2/SMB161Article.zip Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Nov 08 12:30:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33301 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 20:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 20:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 20:30:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (d168-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.200]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hA8KUUR89297 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:30:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:30:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: KNX To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5AF27A64-122A-11D8-B713-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Originating-IP: 204.62.193.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla KNX will be off the air tonight for western DXers. KNX will be replacing their ATU. Kevin From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Nov 08 13:18:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37519 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 21:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 21:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 21:18:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 21:16:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 21:16:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KNX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5AF27A64-122A-11D8-B713-00050291D22F@fastq.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 702 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin wrote: > KNX will be off the air tonight for western DXers. KNX will be replacing > their ATU. > > Kevin From El Cajon, CA, when KNX is on, I often hear a mex at night. Last night it was strong enough for me to be able to hear what song was playing, and if I knew the song I would have been able to recognize it. (I recognized the style and whatever but don't know the artist or the song, I don't think). What would be my chances of getting something else besides that mex? looking at radio-locator, seems like everything in the US is directional at night. Any chance anyone will be operating non-directional and/or with daytime power? From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Nov 08 13:26:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78293 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 21:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 21:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 21:26:18 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.141]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 16:29:43 -0500 Message-ID: <005301c3a63e$ced11d20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pioneer DEH-2300 Question Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 16:25:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 In most cases, no. The "st" indicator has been blocked from use when the unit is in AM. There have been folks that have done some trickery with added diodes, etc, to make some installs work, but I don't know about this one. Be careful about any car stereos made since 1999- even Pioneer- most are all using the 1 pin am audio in chip, making conversion impossible. (The AM input, FM input, and electronic audio controls ar all in one chip, and even tho' you can decode the stereo signal off board, you cannot re-inject the audio signal back into the radio. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Curtis To: AM Stereo Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: {AMSF} Pioneer DEH-2300 Question Chris-- Pioneer headunits can be converted, right? From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Nov 08 13:35:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83180 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 21:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 21:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 21:35:46 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.141]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 16:39:13 -0500 Message-ID: <005701c3a640$2203d4a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: A GOOD radio station! Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 16:34:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 With all the talk about the falling radio stations, there is a bright note- I had gotten a email from Dan at CJBQ 800 AM Stereo in Ontario, Canada. He wrote that CJBQ is proudly in AM Stereo, and has a country format. He needed a new car radio- but I ended up repairing his 1995 Delco (one of the easiest and best conversion radios- You even get the word "STEREO" to light while in AM!) Anyone that has a NON theftlock pre-1999 Delco radio can easily convert it to stereo. I have mod pix if anyone needs. (Please note that I still have no xtra time for taking on conversion projects- but this was a special case) Anyway, he has told me that a lot of people at the station are very interested in all we do. All is not lost. Chris From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 08 14:40:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89983 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 22:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 22:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 22:40:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20031108224000.24414.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:40:00 PST Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:40:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: car radios for AM stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005701c3a640$2203d4a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Chris Cuff wrote: > He needed a new car radio- but I ended up repairing > his 1995 Delco (one of > the easiest and best conversion radios- You even get > the word "STEREO" to > light while in AM!) > Anyone that has a NON theftlock pre-1999 Delco radio > can easily convert it > to stereo. I have mod pix if anyone needs. (Please > note that I still have no > xtra time for taking on conversion projects- but > this was a special case) Is this like the car radio in my 88 Cutlass? That radio will be replaced with a UX-1. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Nov 08 14:41:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70011 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 22:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 22:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 22:41:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 22:41:41 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22772 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 15:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 15:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 15:03:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 15:02:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 15:02:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: tube am stereo receivers? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 616 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.81 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Nov 2003 22:41:40 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.101 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Barricklow > wrote: > > > Is there a current tube amp company that produces tube > > receivers... and maybe one with AM Stereo > > capability??? > > No, but some HAVE made C-QUAM-capable tube AMS radios, like this one: > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/3641/kou1tyuu2_ST_english.html This radio shouldn't really be counted as a tube C-QUAM radio, as it uses a solid state MC13020 C-QUAM decoder chip rather than a C-QUAM decoder implemented with tubes. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Nov 08 14:42:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77654 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 22:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 22:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 22:42:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 22:41:49 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72247 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 17:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 17:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 17:11:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 17:11:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 17:11:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: tube am stereo receivers? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 423 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Nov 2003 22:41:48 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.90 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Coffee Shop Times" < deepcoffee@y...> wrote: > < like Pioneer, in the 1950s and '60s.>> > > Amy, thanks for the info! Does anyone have a list of these commercial dual-tuner AM > Radios? Douglas, you can find some information on these radios at this URL: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~cambie/ John From mark_608@hotmail.com Sat Nov 08 15:13:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21644 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 23:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 23:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 23:13:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:13:24 -0800 Received: from 68.43.171.59 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 23:13:22 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Magnavox MAS-100 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 18:13:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2003 23:13:24.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[E889BF60:01C3A64D] From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.17.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Chris, The Magnavox MAS-100 is small shelf system. Do you know if this is one of the "place on the board" systems that is fairly easy to convert? Also, what model number was that Sony boombox that was pretty easy to convert to AM$(I think Ian tried to do one a while back..)? I have an extra decoder board here and I am looking for a fairly easy conversion project for it. Thanks! Mark _________________________________________________________________ Crave some Miles Davis or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Nov 08 16:00:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13140 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 00:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 00:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 00:00:37 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.210]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:04:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c3a654$5e0119e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20031108224000.24414.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} car radios for AM stereo Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:59:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Similar- the 88 was the last year of the old style wiring harness, but the boards are similar. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 5:40 PM Subject: {AMSF} car radios for AM stereo > > Is this like the car radio in my 88 Cutlass? That > radio will be replaced with a UX-1. > > Powell From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Nov 08 16:04:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47466 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 00:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 00:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 00:04:31 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.210]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:07:58 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c3a654$e96ffc80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Magnavox MAS-100 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:03:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Why not one of those cool Mmorex Boomballs? I think I have 6 left. They work real well, and convert very easy. I even made one change to 9Khz by accident once, but can't remmeber how I did it... :-/ Those Sony's are long gone- the magnavox may be convertable- I would need to look at the S/M if available- we are mag authorized, but for small audio, they exchange defective ones and no longer publish service data. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sundquist To: Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 6:13 PM Subject: {AMSF} Magnavox MAS-100 > > Chris, > The Magnavox MAS-100 is small shelf system. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Nov 08 18:56:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47177 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 02:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 02:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.119) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 02:56:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:56:04 -0800 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav15.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 02:56:03 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Paging Chris Cuff..... Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 21:56:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2003 02:56:04.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[03F09390:01C3A66D] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: 65.54.174.119 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hey Chris, Got any Alfredo Lites in stock that you would part off cheaply? Email Me off the list. Reply to: kc8gpd28@earthlink.net Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1610 AM Part 15 Community Radio! From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Nov 08 22:22:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28940 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 06:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 06:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11904.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.188) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 06:22:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20031109062256.32585.qmail@web11904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.208.102] by web11904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 22:22:56 PST Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 22:22:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: AM Stereo in Florida To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Anthony Simon X-Originating-IP: 216.136.172.188 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wanted to share with you my experiences on the AM dial as I travelled practically the whole expanse of the state of Florida today. Drove right next to the array for IBOC station WWNN/1470 Pompano Beach...Never mind the interference on the adjacent channels, there was an annoying buzzing noise ON 1470 that was rather loud as I passed near the transmitter site, making listening uncomfortable. As for stations that are in Stereo in Florida as of this time: WWBF/1130 in Bartow/Winter Haven/Lakeland is still Stereo. WPRD/1440 in Winter Park/Orlando is no longer in Stereo and no longer transmits a pilot tone. WMOP/900 in Ocala is transmitting a pilot tone and may very well be in Stereo but they were running University of Florida football (my alma mater, Go Gators!), and the Gator Football feed is Mono, so could not check for sure for separation. I had a pilot tone for a while on WGTX/1280 in Defuniak Springs (no separation), but couldn't tell if it was falsing or not. WRNE/980 Gulf Breeze/Pensacola transmits the 25hz. pilot tone but has no separation.. More info. as I can find it. 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Mail AddressGuard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chris@lledgerock.com Sun Nov 09 03:46:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91230 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 11:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 11:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lledgerock.com) (216.238.161.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 11:46:16 -0000 Received: from chris (unknown [192.168.168.101]) by lledgerock.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 863DD32C86 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 06:46:15 -0500 (EST) To: "AM Stereo" Subject: 81 WGY Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 06:46:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal From: "Chris Curtis" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.161.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was not aware that WGY was in stereo! I always knew that CC was a problem since they canned J.R. Gach last year while he was on disability. Does anyone think that 81 WGY, which has some very high historical value, would ever go back to stereo? That would be a big improvement with the signal, even tho they are a 50kW powerhouse. It would be cool to listen to Glenn Beck or Coast to Coast in stereo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 09 03:48:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12582 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 11:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 11:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 11:48:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20031109114843.94822.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 03:48:43 PST Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 03:48:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Magnavox MAS-100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001101c3a654$e96ffc80$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.87 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Chris Cuff wrote: > Why not one of those cool Mmorex Boomballs? I think > I have 6 left. They work > real well, and convert very easy. I even made one > change to 9Khz by accident > once, but can't remmeber how I did it... :-/ MY Boomball plays only some CD's and not others. I got it at Target and it was THE last one. The internal power supply has a bit of hummmm too. GRRR! Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From jim@burgan.net Sun Nov 09 04:01:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72850 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 12:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 12:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-3.iquest.net) (206.246.180.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 12:01:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 98021 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 11:59:48 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-3.iquest.net with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 11:59:48 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-123.iquest.net [209.43.58.123]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with SMTP id AUD88250; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 06:59:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00cd01c3a6b8$fa7bda80$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Dxing Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 06:59:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Originating-IP: 206.246.180.53 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > A shame, really- The LA metro area has ONE MILLION AM stereo > receivers in use right now (based on a 3.5-million population, with 6- > 10 million radios available, figuring 10-15% AMS saturation). > > I really wonder if the number crunchers at these stations realize > these particular numbers. :P ) Out of those 1 million people with AM Stereo receivers, less than 10% of them are tuned to AM, and out of those, most are listening to Rush & Dr. Laura on KFI, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity on KABC or News on KNX and could care less if the stereo light is on or off. I don't know if KNX, KFI or KABC even broadcast in AM Stereo (my guess would be that KABC is the only one out of the 3 that does), but when you are news/talk, it doesn't matter. As an AM Stereo enthusiast, I do appreciate hearing the jingles, production and bumpers in stereo on WLS, but most of the programming on WLS is in mono. As for the music stations... I don't see music migrating back to AM (except in extreme cases such-as WKBW, WSAI and WRLL) so who really cares (except the few-dozen enthusiasts who hang-out here)? If fact my experiences have shown that most people don't know or care about the existence of AM Stereo. I'm sure that Infinity, Clear Channel and ABC/Disney all have number-crunchers....But let's be realistic. If they fired up C-Quam stereo exciters on each of these stations (the Top 3 AM's in the LA Metro Arbitron), they would gain absolutely nothing in audience, ratings or revenue. > IBOC is NOT "on the cutting edge" of technology. > It is C-QUAM that's on the cutting edge > (always has been, and always will be). The corporate > heads are taking a step back in this matter. > BTW, the pilot light and full Stereo are still on at KJSL 630 and KSTL > 690...and Cris had BETTER KEEP THESE LIGHTS LIT. Otherwise, > these stations will lose > ALL of their remaining listeners. > C-QUAM ONLY....NO TO IBOC! Do you realize how silly this sounds: "It is C-QUAM that's on the cutting edge (always has been, and always will be)." C-Quam is not cutting-edge.. It is 25 year-old technology tacked-on to 90 year-old technology. IBOC really is cutting-edge technology... The MW/AM form of which is seriously flawed in it's present form, but cutting-edge non-the-less. You're getting hung up on semantics (the term cutting-edge), which is not the issue here. The MW band has serious issues and in it's present form has become unacceptable to many listeners.. even with C-Quam technology. Something needs to be done. IBOC is not the answer, Sooner or later the powers to be will find that Rush & Dr Laura will sound better on a clear FM station, with better building penetration and considerably less static and they too, will migrate to the FM band. IBOC in it's present form will not work on AM, but C-Quam is not and was not the answer. It never caught on with the general population. I doubt seriously if KJSL and/or KSTL would lose any audience by flipping off the stereo pilot. As I've stated, C-Quam had it's day and never caught the public's fancy (just a few of us who hang our here) and most wouldn't even notice if they killed the stereo pilot. Don't get me wrong... I love the sound of C-Quam stereo... My favorite station is an AM station playing AC 20 miles from here broadcasting in stereo and on my Sony SRF 42, Realistic TM 152 and Delco car-stereo, it sounds as good (or better) than any FM around, but it's still a AM station getting a .6 share and if they flipped off the stereo pilot, it probably wouldn't have a noticeable effect on their ratings. Not to mention that even though I live 20 miles from their transmitter, I must endure constant static from electrical interference, lightning and I can't pick it up inside most buildings and it fades when I go under a bridge. When I was a kid growing up we tolerated fuzzy, grainy, snowy pictures on our TV because that was the only way we got to watch it. We also had a 500 watt daytime local radio station that signed off at sunset. After that we were at the mercy of the ionosphere as to what station(s) we could listen to. That was the best there was so we tolerated and appreciated what we had. Today's audience won't tolerate hum/static when they drive under power lines... Not will they tolerate the constant cackle of lightning during our long Indiana spring & summer thunderstorm season. I will admit that almost every major market has an AM station that is at or near the top in ratings, but it's only because that same programming is not available on the FM band.The 2nd and 3rd AM stations are usually below the Mendoza line and the rest, usually owned by or brokered to religious broadcasters are at the bottom. To create a new band for digital and keeping the AM/MW band the same in the US would have been fine with me, but it would have been a death sentence for the remaining AM stations. IBOC sounds great in theory, and if it can be made to work, the listener will benefit. I just don't see how it can be made to work, but that doesn't negate any of my previous statements. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 09 05:34:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91110 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 13:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 13:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 13:34:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20031109133441.74766.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 05:34:41 PST Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 05:34:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: IBOC is NOT cutting edge To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00cd01c3a6b8$fa7bda80$9802a8c0@jimspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jim Burgan wrote: > Do you realize how silly this sounds: "It is C-QUAM > that's on the cutting > edge (always has been, and always will be)." > C-Quam is not cutting-edge.. It is 25 year-old > technology tacked-on to 90 > year-old technology. and the 90 year old technology works fine, except modern day receivers don't seem to work as well as older ones. > IBOC really is cutting-edge technology... The MW/AM > form of which is > seriously flawed in it's present form, but > cutting-edge non-the-less. No it is not even remotely cutting edge. It's a scheme by the NAB to have the word digital in it. And a scheme to keep the status quo with the current broadcasters. When the Eureka system was proposed, it would have put all broadcasters on an equal footing and the big boys got the NAB to un-endorse Eureka. So this IBOC scheme came up. On the MW band it's simply unworkable. On our FM band it's not quite equal. And the "new" DSP radios now take away the advantages that IBOC had on paper. If we are going to have a digital radio format, it needs to be on it's on band and it needs to have NO compression to screw up the audio. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Nov 09 06:18:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31720 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 14:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 14:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 14:18:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (d246-osel-phx.fastq.com [208.187.57.31]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hA9EIcR22567 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:18:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:18:17 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 946 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1068369781.1263.2058.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: <8FF3F2C2-12BF-11D8-908E-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Originating-IP: 204.62.193.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Well Mr. Piano Player, the Mexican is usually XEOBS from Ciudad Obregon, Sonora. I assume that you were talking about KNX playing music. They had simulcast Arrow 93.1 for a while. I was listening and sleeping off and on in bed with a Grundig S350 so I have no idea if they were doing AM stereo or not. Kevin Mesa, Arizona On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 02:23 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 21:16:38 -0000 > From: "pianoplayer88key" > Subject: Re: KNX > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin wrote: >> KNX will be off the air tonight for western DXers. KNX will be > replacing >> their ATU. >> >> Kevin > >> From El Cajon, CA, when KNX is on, I often hear a mex at night. Last > night it was strong enough for me to be able to hear what song was > playing, and if I knew the song I would have been able to recognize > it. (I recognized the style and whatever but don't know the artist or > the song, I don't think). > > What would be my chances of getting something else besides that mex? > > looking at radio-locator, seems like everything in the US is > directional at night. Any chance anyone will be operating > non-directional and/or with daytime power? > From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sun Nov 09 08:51:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57106 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 16:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 16:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 16:51:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2003 16:50:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 16:50:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WRNE/980 Pensacola, Fla.: Slightly in Stereo? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Last night, I reported that WRNE/980 in Pensacola was pilot only.... However, upon closer listening with my WM-FX1 and SRF-A100 it seems that there is SOME separation, but not much....I definitely feel a Stereo effect, but it's not as pronounced as say, when I listen to WWBF over in Winter Haven. Any reasons anyone here can give for this? Could it be the satellite dish doesn't yield enough separation? Could it be that by reducing the L-R component you can allow for a greater apparent 'loudness'? I'm confused. Tony S. From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Nov 09 10:57:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62136 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 18:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 18:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 18:57:56 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1d6.13dcf636 (4254) for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:57:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1d6.13dcf636.2cdfe82c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:57:48 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRNE/980 Pensacola, Fla.: Slightly in Stereo? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/9/03 12:00:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 bossmsx2@yahoo.com writes: > Last night, I reported that WRNE/980 in Pensacola was pilot only.... >=20 >=20 Tony...are you sure that WRNE was sending a pilot and not some interference= =20 somewhere causing the pilot indicator to turn on, on your radio? I've had=20 several instances where I tuned across a station and the radio would think = there=20 was a 25hz pilot tone....but apon further investigation there would be some= =20 carrier from something or a weak station that was 25hz +/- from the station= that I=20 was listening too. With that 25hz beat note,it would trigger the decoder in= to=20 thinking there was a true stereo station. With that type of interference,it would sound like a station had some sort = of=20 stereo audio,but due to the nature of C-Quam what you would hear is a type = of=20 platforming effect. Still operating in stereo here with a --new-- BE AM 1A !! Those of you within 300 or 400 miles of here and right along the coast tune= =20 in and give a listen. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Nov 09 11:09:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41904 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 19:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 19:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 19:09:30 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.146.1c0b5f23 (4254) for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:09:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <146.1c0b5f23.2cdfeace@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:09:02 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} 81 WGY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/9/03 6:51:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 chris@lledgerock.com writes: > Does anyone think that 81 WGY, which has some very high historical value, > would ever go back to stereo? That would be a big improvement with the > signal, > even tho they are a 50kW powerhouse. It would be cool to listen to Glenn > Beck or Coast to Coast in stereo! >=20 >=20 Its hard to say if a station would ever return to stereo operation once it= =20 walked away from it.Theres usually a lot of in house politics involved when= it=20 comes to things like this.My opinion is that I would not look for the C-Qua= m=20 operation to return on WGY. Glenn Beck and Coast To Coast AM w/George Noory and Art Bell is feed in mo= no=20 on satellite...so whether a station is stereo or just plain mono wouldnt ha= ve=20 much effect unless the local affiliate runs commericals,ID's etc in stereo. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 09 11:20:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41614 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 19:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 19:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 19:20:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20031109192051.64239.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 11:20:51 PST Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:20:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRNE/980 Pensacola, Fla.: Slightly in Stereo? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1d6.13dcf636.2cdfe82c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: effect. > > Still operating in stereo here with a --new-- BE AM > 1A !! > Those of you within 300 or 400 miles of here and > right along the coast tune > in and give a listen. > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC > Division > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach > 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 Very funny Bob! Powell ( 5 miles from WVOC 560!) ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Nov 09 12:12:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20913 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 20:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 20:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 20:12:57 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.116.2b05b890 (4254) for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:12:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <116.2b05b890.2cdff9c5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:12:53 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Dxing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 152.163.225.100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/9/03 7:13:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, jim@burgan.net= =20 writes: > Out of those 1 million people with AM Stereo receivers, less than 10% of > them are tuned to AM, and out of those, most are listening to Rush &Dr. > Laura on KFI, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity on KABC or News on KNX and > could care less if the stereo light is on or off. I don't know if KNX, K= FI > or KABC even broadcast in AM Stereo (my guess would be that KABC is the o= nly > one out of the 3 that does), but when you are news/talk, it doesn't matte= r. >=20 More than likely around 5 to 8% of those people even have an AM Stereo=20 receiver. True when you are news/talk it doesnt matter if you are stereo or not unles= s=20 you like to have the commericals/ID's etc jump out of the radio and grab yo= u=20 by the throat,slap you around a bit and grab you up most attention.Like thi= s=20 station here...we still play music to a limited degre,so the stereo operati= on=20 still has its usefulness here. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Nov 09 12:35:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55637 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 20:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 20:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 20:35:17 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.fb.49886354 (4254) for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:35:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:35:12 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRNE/980 Pensacola, Fla.: Slightly in Stereo? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/9/03 2:53:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.co= m=20 writes: > Very funny Bob!=20 >=20 > Powell ( 5 miles from WVOC 560!) >=20 >=20 >=20 LOL....well Powell the key word was "right along the coast" lol ... I dont think that even if WVOC were to pop off the air that you would ever= =20 hear me down there given the pattern here. But if you were right along the = coast=20 line say from southeastern NC to even far north as NJ [ just got a QSL=20 w/recording from someone in Surf City NJ }you would be in luck. Going=20 inland....about 155 miles is all your going to carry it during the day. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Nov 09 12:59:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 65779 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 20:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 20:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 20:59:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2003 20:59:48 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38355 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 19:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 19:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 19:34:36 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.65.1c218c20 (16633) for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:34:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <65.1c218c20.2cdff0ca@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:34:34 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Florida To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 152.163.225.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Nov 2003 20:59:46 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.90 I know the CE at WMOP...his name is Lee Freshwater. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Nov 09 13:00:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81899 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 21:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 21:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 21:00:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2003 20:59:58 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50493 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 19:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 19:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 19:34:42 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1a8.1bfbe400 (16633) for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:34:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1a8.1bfbe400.2cdff0cc@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:34:36 EST Subject: Best Home Receivers for AM Stereo Conversion? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Nov 2003 20:59:57 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.71 I have a question: Which home receivers currently on the market are considered the best for conversion to AM Stereo? Which are the best in different price ranges? And how would AM Stereo work even with 110 kHz filters for FM reception? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Nov 09 13:00:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61349 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 21:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 21:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 21:00:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2003 20:59:41 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63039 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 19:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 19:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 19:20:52 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 1.18.37c71905 (3996); Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:20:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <18.37c71905.2cdfed8c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:20:44 EST Subject: WESL-1490 Update To: irca@topica.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.163 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Nov 2003 20:59:38 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.89 Hours are 0600-2200 CLT (0700-2300 ELT) daily. Classic Soul format Monday-Saturday, Urban Gospel on Sunday, in technologically advanced AM Stereo. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 09 14:32:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82764 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 22:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 22:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 22:32:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20031109223233.53027.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.45.181] by web60104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 14:32:33 PST Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:32:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Florida To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <65.1c218c20.2cdff0ca@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > I know the CE at WMOP...his name is Lee Freshwater. Is that the same Lee Freshwater that has the BC stations list page? Powell W4OPW and sometimes WKDK ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 09 14:35:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47630 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 22:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 22:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 22:35:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20031109223513.94586.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.45.181] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 14:35:13 PST Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:35:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best Home Receivers for AM Stereo Conversion? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1a8.1bfbe400.2cdff0cc@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > I have a question: Which home receivers currently on > the market are > considered the best for conversion to AM Stereo? > Which are the best in different price > ranges? And how would AM Stereo work even with 110 > kHz filters for FM > reception? The 110 kHz filter works on FM. That should have NO effect on the AM, since it is a different circuit. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Nov 09 15:27:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3378 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 23:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 23:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 23:27:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2003 23:27:30 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8950 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 23:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 23:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 23:17:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2003 23:17:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 23:17:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2276 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Nov 2003 23:27:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.93 > > If you talk to the engineering staff at any of these stations you > > get the same reply... > > "AM Stereo reduces our groundwave contour..." > > I would like to see these clowns prove their claims, rather than > just reiterating trhem. Some of the reasons for the loss of ground wave coverage have been discussed here before, let me review some of them. There are two situations, the first and possibly somewhat irrelevant situation is the ground wave coverage for a stereophonic radio, which is less than that for a monophonic radio. Even Motorola points this out so I won't delve into the reasons for it, you can ask Motorola why they said that if you want to know their reasons for saying it. The second and more important situation is the ground wave coverage for monophonic radios when AM stereo is in use. The first and most obvious problem here is that the FCC has set a limit of 1.25 radians as the maximum allowed angular modulation. The implication of this limit on the allowed angular modulation is that the envelope modulation, which is what a monophonic radio sees, must be limited under certain conditions of stereo modulation. For example, if only one channel is being modulated, the envelope must be limited to 75% modulation to avoid exceeding the maximum angular modulation limit, this amounts to a signal loss of 2.5 dB, which I think is the worst case, although I am not sure. On real program material, the loss will be less than this 2.5 dB worst case, and more than zero dB. The second problem, which is purely my theory, and as such could be wrong, is that the angular modulation used to transmit the stereo difference signal results in spreading the envelope energy out over a wider bandwidth than it normally would occupy, putting more sideband energy outside the pass band of the narrow filters used in the typical monophonic AM radio, resulting in a further loss of coverage due to the additional loss of envelope energy in the filters. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 09 15:32:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83494 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 23:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 23:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 23:32:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2003 23:32:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 23:32:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 752 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Some of the reasons for the loss of ground wave coverage have been > discussed here before, let me review some of them. Note that the reasons you mention are only applicable when an AM Stereo station is transmitting audio that contains a significant amount of stereo separation (say, the full stereo version of James Brown's "I Got You (I Feel Good)"). When transmitting monaural audio, such as a talk show, there is no difference between an AM Stereo signal and a mono AM signal (except for the pilot tone), and therefore no possible loss in loudness or coverage -- unlike FM Stereo, where the signal coverage loss (and corresponding decrease in S/N ratio at the receiver) is constant regardless of what kind of audio is being transmitted. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sun Nov 09 16:21:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72479 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 00:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 00:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 00:21:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2003 00:20:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 00:20:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WRNE/980 Pensacola, Fla.: Slightly in Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1d6.13dcf636.2cdfe82c@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 511 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > Tony...are you sure that WRNE was sending a pilot and not some > interference > somewhere causing the pilot indicator to turn on, on your radio? It's not just a matter of the pilot tone....On my non pilot radios (forced Stereo) SRF-A100 and SRF-A1 Sonys, there is the effect of "slight Stereo" as well.....And on the radios where I've had the pilot, it's been rock solid, and usually, when the pilot falses there will be moments when the pilot turns off...That has not happened with WRNE. --Tony S. From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Nov 09 17:10:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2596 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 01:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 01:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 01:10:37 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031110011033.CGLU28419.fed1mtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 20:10:33 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:11:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: KNX To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.242 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner As of 2 pm today (Sunday), KNX was still sending the stereo pilot. If they DO turn on IBOC, you're going to have some angry people from 1090 Sports. My guess is that the relatively weak signal from KDIS at 1110 AM might be affected as well. From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Nov 09 20:14:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61794 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 04:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 04:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 04:14:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2003 04:12:37 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25503 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 03:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 03:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 03:02:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2003 03:01:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 03:01:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1875 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Nov 2003 04:12:35 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.76 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Some of the reasons for the loss of ground wave coverage have been > > discussed here before, let me review some of them. > > Note that the reasons you mention are only applicable when an > AM Stereo station is transmitting audio that contains a significant > amount of stereo separation (say, the full stereo version of James > Brown's "I Got You (I Feel Good)"). When transmitting monaural > audio, such as a talk show, there is no difference between an > AM Stereo signal and a mono AM signal (except for the pilot tone), > and therefore no possible loss in loudness or coverage That is true, but what is the point in installing and operating an AM stereo exciter if you aren't going to transmit stereo audio? It seems counter productive to me. > -- unlike > FM Stereo, where the signal coverage loss (and corresponding > decrease in S/N ratio at the receiver) is constant regardless of > what kind of audio is being transmitted. That is not true, if we are transmitting the same monaural audio as in your AM stereo case, then a monaural FM radio will only see a loss in signal to noise ratio of the 0.8 dB that is the result of making room for the 19 kHz pilot tone. The situation becomes worse with FM than with AM when we transmit stereo audio, when there is an additional worse case loss of 6.0 dB of signal to noise ratio on a monaural FM radio, when single channel audio is being transmitted, as compared with the 2.5 dB worst case loss in the comparable AM stereo case. But FM has a far superior signal to noise ratio to start with than does AM, that was the whole point of FM in the first place, so it can tolerate a larger loss than AM can. In any case, with monaural audio there is virtually no loss of signal to noise ratio with either AM or FM. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 09 20:25:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86496 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 04:25:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 04:25:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 04:25:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2003 04:25:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 04:25:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1180 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.69 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That is true, but what is the point in installing and operating an > AM stereo exciter if you aren't going to transmit stereo audio? It > seems counter productive to me. Like it or not, any kind of voice programming is going to be mono, unless a heavy stereo reverb effect is used. In fact, there is an FM talk station in my area that uses a healthy dose of stereo reverb on their audio. I think it's annoying; reverb is okay for a DJ's mike, but when it's used on a full-length talk show, it quickly becomes tiring to hear, and with the style of reverb they use, it doesn't go away when you switch to mono. > a monaural FM radio will only see a loss in signal to noise ratio > of the 0.8 dB that is the result of making room for the 19 kHz > pilot tone. But obviously if a stereo FM receiver was used, the loss in S/N ratio will be much more drastic, unless an aggressive "stereo blend" circuit is used (as is common on most modern car radios). Modulating an FM signal also "kicks up" extra noise in the receiver, as compared to transmitting dead air -- another disadvantage compared to AM, where the received noise level is constant regardless of modulation. From jim@burgan.net Sun Nov 09 23:27:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65647 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 07:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 07:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-1.iquest.net) (206.246.180.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 07:27:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 76910 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 07:28:09 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-1.iquest.net with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 07:28:09 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-23.iquest.net [209.43.58.23]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with SMTP id AUG44137; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 02:27:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004301c3a75c$267fded0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Dxing Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 02:27:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Originating-IP: 206.246.180.51 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 A shame, really- The LA metro area has ONE MILLION AM stereo > receivers in use right now (based on a 3.5-million population, with 6- > 10 million radios available, figuring 10-15% AMS saturation). > > I really wonder if the number crunchers at these stations realize > these particular numbers. :P ) Out of those 1 million people with AM Stereo receivers, less than 10% of them are tuned to AM, and out of those, most are listening to Rush & Dr. Laura on KFI, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity on KABC or News on KNX and could care less if the stereo light is on or off. I don't know if KNX, KFI or KABC even broadcast in AM Stereo (my guess would be that KABC is the only one out of the 3 that does), but when you are news/talk, it doesn't matter. As an AM Stereo enthusiast, I do appreciate hearing the jingles, production and bumpers in stereo on WLS, but most of the programming on WLS is in mono. As for the music stations... I don't see music migrating back to AM (except in extreme cases such-as WKBW, WSAI and WRLL) so who really cares (except the few-dozen enthusiasts who hang-out here)? If fact my experiences have shown that most people don't know or care about the existence of AM Stereo. I'm sure that Infinity, Clear Channel and ABC/Disney all have number-crunchers....But let's be realistic. If they fired up C-Quam stereo exciters on each of these stations (the Top 3 AM's in the LA Metro Arbitron), they would gain absolutely nothing in audience, ratings or revenue. > IBOC is NOT "on the cutting edge" of technology. > It is C-QUAM that's on the cutting edge > (always has been, and always will be). The corporate > heads are taking a step back in this matter. > BTW, the pilot light and full Stereo are still on at KJSL 630 and KSTL > 690...and Cris had BETTER KEEP THESE LIGHTS LIT. Otherwise, > these stations will lose > ALL of their remaining listeners. > C-QUAM ONLY....NO TO IBOC! Do you realize how silly this sounds: "It is C-QUAM that's on the cutting edge (always has been, and always will be)." C-Quam is not cutting-edge.. It is 25 year-old technology tacked-on to 90 year-old technology. IBOC really is cutting-edge technology... The MW/AM form of which is seriously flawed in it's present form, but cutting-edge non-the-less. You're getting hung up on semantics (the term cutting-edge), which is not the issue here. The MW band has serious issues and in it's present form has become unacceptable to many listeners.. even with C-Quam technology. Something needs to be done. IBOC is not the answer, Sooner or later the powers to be will find that Rush & Dr Laura will sound better on a clear FM station, with better building penetration and considerably less static and they too, will migrate to the FM band. IBOC in it's present form will not work on AM, but C-Quam is not and was not the answer. It never caught on with the general population. I doubt seriously if KJSL and/or KSTL would lose any audience by flipping off the stereo pilot. As I've stated, C-Quam had it's day and never caught the public's fancy (just a few of us who hang our here) and most wouldn't even notice if they killed the stereo pilot. Don't get me wrong... I love the sound of C-Quam stereo... My favorite station is an AM station playing AC 20 miles from here broadcasting in stereo and on my Sony SRF 42, Realistic TM 152 and Delco car-stereo, it sounds as good (or better) than any FM around, but it's still a AM station getting a .6 share and if they flipped off the stereo pilot, it probably wouldn't have a noticeable effect on their ratings. Not to mention that even though I live 20 miles from their transmitter, I must endure constant static from electrical interference, lightning and I can't pick it up inside most buildings and it fades when I go under a bridge. When I was a kid growing up we tolerated fuzzy, grainy, snowy pictures on our TV because that was the only way we got to watch it. We also had a 500 watt daytime local radio station that signed off at sunset. After that we were at the mercy of the ionosphere as to what station(s) we could listen to. That was the best there was so we tolerated and appreciated what we had. Today's audience won't tolerate hum/static when they drive under power lines... Not will they tolerate the constant cackle of lightning during our long Indiana spring & summer thunderstorm season. I will admit that almost every major market has an AM station that is at or near the top in ratings, but it's only because that same programming is not available on the FM band.The 2nd and 3rd AM stations are usually below the Mendoza line and the rest, usually owned by or brokered to religious broadcasters are at the bottom. To create a new band for digital and keeping the AM/MW band the same in the US would have been fine with me, but it would have been a death sentence for the remaining AM stations. IBOC sounds great in theory, and if it can be made to work, the listener will benefit. I just don't see how it can be made to work, but that doesn't negate any of my previous statements. -Jim- From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 01:06:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42550 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 09:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 09:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 09:06:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2003 09:06:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:06:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Digest Number 946 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8FF3F2C2-12BF-11D8-908E-00050291D22F@fastq.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1686 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.93 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I was actually talking about the mex playing the music. Check the date on my post... But... I did post on another board about KNX (and also a gripe about programming choice and timing on KDIS) and other things... http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=73844&Board=dx --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin wrote: > Well Mr. Piano Player, the Mexican is usually XEOBS from Ciudad Obregon, > Sonora. I assume that you were talking about KNX playing music. They had > simulcast Arrow 93.1 for a while. > > I was listening and sleeping off and on in bed with a Grundig S350 so I > have no idea if they were doing AM stereo or not. > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona > On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 02:23 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > wrote: > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 21:16:38 -0000 > > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > Subject: Re: KNX > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin wrote: > >> KNX will be off the air tonight for western DXers. KNX will be > > replacing > >> their ATU. > >> > >> Kevin > > > >> From El Cajon, CA, when KNX is on, I often hear a mex at night. Last > > night it was strong enough for me to be able to hear what song was > > playing, and if I knew the song I would have been able to recognize > > it. (I recognized the style and whatever but don't know the artist or > > the song, I don't think). > > > > What would be my chances of getting something else besides that mex? > > > > looking at radio-locator, seems like everything in the US is > > directional at night. Any chance anyone will be operating > > non-directional and/or with daytime power? > > From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Nov 10 05:33:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14479 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 13:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 13:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 13:33:21 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.180.222804aa (30960) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:33:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <180.222804aa.2ce0ed9f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:33:19 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Question To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 152.163.225.100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/9/03 6:52:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > Note that the reasons you mention are only applicable when an > AM Stereo station is transmitting audio that contains a significant=20 > amount of stereo separation (say, the full stereo version of James=20 > Brown's "I Got You (I Feel Good)"). When transmitting monaural=20 > audio, such as a talk show, there is no difference between an > AM Stereo signal and a mono AM signal (except for the pilot tone),=20 > and therefore no possible loss in loudness or coverage -- unlike > FM Stereo, where the signal coverage loss (and corresponding decrease=20 > in S/N ratio at the receiver) is constant regardless of what kind of=20 > audio is being transmitted. >=20 The separation has to be of great significance to make a huge difference. A= =20 typical difference between stereo and mono total peak modulation is in the= =20 order of 5% if everything is setup correctly.Having the stereo enhancement = control=20 turned wide open will result in less than desirable effects and greater=20 reduction in total peak modualtion during the transmission of stereo inform= ation.I=20 can not tell the difference betwen 123% and 118% modulation and does not=20 effect the coverage area at all. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Nov 10 08:28:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33749 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 16:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 16:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 16:28:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2003 16:28:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:28:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 4TAB Aircheck - Burn for you! - AM Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 201 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 I dedicate this song to all the stereo enabled tube transmitters out there! :) Burn for You (+Ad+Station Close): ST-JX220A ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/11-burnforyou-jx220a.mp3 =) From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Nov 10 09:31:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32287 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 17:31:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 17:31:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 17:31:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (d247-osel-phx.fastq.com [208.187.57.32]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hAAHVcA81824 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:31:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:31:17 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1068456758.520.64505.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Originating-IP: 204.62.193.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Jim, Hear hear! I have said this a million times over and then some. If the talkers ever migrate to FM, then its game over. AM is dead. Deader than dead. If IBOC comes its dead, deader than dead. AM is going to always be around. However, it will be the land of a few large stations and thats about it. It will become as LW is in Europe. When the stations understand that people will listen to talk radio int eh buildings at work, then its over. C-QUAM never had a chance and never will. I love AM stereo, It sounds awesome in the winter near a local station. In the summer with static it becomes stereo static. Still, I would sign another petition to make all AM analog radios sold be in C-QUAM or even Kahn if Scott Todd wrote up another. But you are pretty much right. AM is dead and terrestial radio, AM and FM will be dead soon enough. Kevin Mesa, Arizona On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 02:32 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 06:59:48 -0500 > From: "Jim Burgan" > Subject: Re: Re: OT Dxing > > Sooner or later the > powers to be will find that Rush & Dr Laura will sound better on a > clear FM > station, with better building penetration and considerably less static > and > they too, will migrate to the FM band. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 12:58:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26611 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 20:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 20:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 20:58:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2003 20:56:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:56:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WRNE/980 Pensacola, Fla.: Slightly in Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1d6.13dcf636.2cdfe82c@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 531 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > With that type of interference,it would sound like a station had some sort of > stereo audio,but due to the nature of C-Quam what you would hear is a type of > platforming effect. Last night they actually played a song where one of the vocals was on the left channel and the other vocalist was on the right channel....Every now and then, there's a song where the Stereo will 'jump out' at you.....I know what platforming sounds like, and this isn't platforming...And this is happening during the day, as well. Tony S. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Nov 10 13:20:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65447 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 21:20:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 21:20:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 21:20:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2003 21:20:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:20:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 4TAB Aircheck - Burn for you! - AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 531 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bofh2k2000" wrote: > I dedicate this song to all the stereo enabled tube transmitters out > there! :) > > Burn for You (+Ad+Station Close): ST-JX220A > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/11-burnforyou- jx220a.mp3 > > =) Great sample sounds like John Farnham ? Is he still popular in Oz ? Always remember seeing him on the 1988 bicentenial live show accross Australia a real technical achievement I thought at the time. UK's Channel 4 relayed it here.. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 13:38:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13322 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 21:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 21:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 21:38:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2003 21:38:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:38:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WRNE/980 Pensacola, Fla.: Slightly in Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 894 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > With that type of interference,it would sound like a station had > some sort of > > stereo audio,but due to the nature of C-Quam what you would hear is > a type of > > platforming effect. > > Last night they actually played a song where one of the vocals was on > the left channel and the other vocalist was on the right > channel....Every now and then, there's a song where the Stereo > will 'jump out' at you.....I know what platforming sounds like, and > this isn't platforming...And this is happening during the day, as > well. > > Tony S. I have a couple channels on which I hear a little bit of daytime platforming.... I'll have to record an aircheck of them sometime. Basically, there's a strong station which sounds normal, then a weak station on the same channel underneath it that has platforms. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Nov 10 15:02:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75615 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 23:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 23:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 23:02:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2003 23:02:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:02:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: How many US stations use RDS ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 69 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan A thread has come up on the uk radio forum asking about this. Many ? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 15:03:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47152 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 23:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 23:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 23:03:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2003 23:02:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:02:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: KDIS aircheck being uploaded.... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 453 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.76 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/KDIS-Disney-11092003-earlyAM.MP3 will be around 61-62MB or so when done. it's AM 1110 KDIS Pasadena (Radio Disney) recorded from my grandparents' house on a Sony SRF-42 into a RipFlash Plus at 80kbit/sec mp3. It's the Top 30 countdown this past Sunday morning, minus a local almost-1-hour public affairs program from 5-6 approx that (GRRR!!! Just run it on the other stations, ok, ABC???) was also on 710 and 790. From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Nov 10 15:09:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93821 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 23:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 23:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 23:09:01 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031110230835.MZBX27510.fed1mtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:08:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:09:12 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.243 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In Los Angeles, Where one talker HAS migrated to FM, they haven't done=20 well. They then have to adopt a "hot sex talk" format to survive, and=20 even then they can barely break a 2.0 share. I actually think its opposite: AM ratings stink because the programming=20 is so very bad. Last time most sports stations got good ratings was=20 when they played music. 690 in San Diego had good ratings even in Los=20 Angeles when they were top-40. Oldies dropped them down to nothing;=20 sports gives them a 0.3. Time and time again, trying to beat the crowds=20 to the "next thing" on AM has cost listeners. Program something good, promote it well, and it will do well, AM or FM.=20 Problem is, FM barely does it and AM almost never does. On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 09:31 AM, kevin wrote: > Jim, > > Hear hear! > > I have said this a million times over and then some. If the talkers=20 > ever > migrate to FM, then its game over. AM is dead. Deader than dead. If=20 > IBOC > comes its dead, deader than dead. > > AM is going to always be around. However, it will be the land of a few > large stations and thats about it. It will become as LW is in Europe. > When the stations understand that people will listen to talk radio int > eh buildings at work, then its over. C-QUAM never had a chance and=20 > never > will. > > I love AM stereo, It sounds awesome in the winter near a local station. > In the summer with static it becomes stereo static. > > Still, I would sign another petition to make all AM analog radios sold > be in C-QUAM or even Kahn if Scott Todd wrote up another. > > But you are pretty much right. AM is dead and terrestial radio, AM and > FM will be dead soon enough. > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona > > On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 02:32 AM,=20 > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > wrote: > > > Message: 3 > >=A0=A0=A0 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 06:59:48 -0500 > >=A0=A0=A0 From: "Jim Burgan" > > Subject: Re: Re: OT Dxing > > > > Sooner or later the > > powers to be will find that Rush & Dr Laura will sound better on a > > clear FM > > station, with better building penetration and considerably less=20 > static > > and > > they too, will migrate to the FM band. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Nov 10 15:09:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57974 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 23:09:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 23:09:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 23:09:38 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.37.245]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:13:10 -0500 Message-ID: <008701c3a7df$92dcdf00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many US stations use RDS ? Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:08:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Interesting that- More are starting to use it now- and I see that Henry Kloss latest radio features RDS- amazing that he did this at all. (well, HE didn't.... ) This new radio is taking aim at the Blose Wave- more features, less money, better sound... fancy that. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:02 PM Subject: {AMSF} How many US stations use RDS ? > A thread has come up on the uk radio forum asking about this. Many ? From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Nov 10 15:10:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25043 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 23:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 23:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.198.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 23:10:09 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2003111023100801300c2e7oe>; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:10:08 +0000 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} How many US stations use RDS ? Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:10:33 -0500 Message-ID: <00a101c3a7df$db2b27d0$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Jeff Lehmann" X-Originating-IP: 204.127.198.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn More and more seem to be adding it lately. Clear Channel has started to install it pretty fast in the top 50 markets. They recently just put it on all their Providence and Hartford FMs. Here in Boston almost every commercial FM has it now, most putting it on in the last year or so. Unfortunately, 100kW powerhouse 89.7 WGBH just took it off, hopefully it'll be back. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Dave [mailto:amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:02 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} How many US stations use RDS ? A thread has come up on the uk radio forum asking about this. Many ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 15:42:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7697 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 23:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 23:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.113) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 23:42:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:42:51 -0800 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav9.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:42:50 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Alfredo Lite Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:43:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2003 23:42:51.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AABB390:01C3A7E4] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: 65.54.174.113 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have one on the way. Are they any Good? How much RF do they put out? How far has anyone TX'd using these? How good do they sound? Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo Part 15 Community Radio! From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 15:48:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6519 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 23:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 23:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 23:48:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20031110234826.84348.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:48:26 PST Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:48:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Yes they are good They do 10mW You can connect an ariel and tuning capacitor to them to make them go furthur.They sound great. we dont have any am stereo stations although some of our State run AM National programme ones can sound or go in stereo at times Michael --- "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > I have one on the way. Are they any Good? How much > RF do they put out? How > far has anyone TX'd using these? How good do they > sound? > > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > Universal Life Ministries [ULC] > > 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo > Part 15 Community Radio! > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! 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Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 16:51:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41821 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 19:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 19:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 19:00:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2003 19:00:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:00:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <180.222804aa.2ce0ed9f@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2953 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb Don't forget, at the end of all this, we are dealing with the Public=20 At Large (PAL), who are not in the least capable of determining a=20 small difference of audio on the signal. The vast majority of the PAL=20 isn't going to A/B the station, (Yesterday they were mono, today it's=20 stereo, I THINK I can hear a change on my table radio.) There may be=20 a difference heard on a stereo radio, at least if the PAL is paying=20 attention. If the signal is noisy with a stereo transmitter, it will=20 also be noisy in mono. In the end, any perceived difference is,... NO=20 difference! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 11/9/03 6:52:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > kevtronics@y... writes: >=20 > > Note that the reasons you mention are only applicable when an > > AM Stereo station is transmitting audio that contains a=20 significant=20 > > amount of stereo separation (say, the full stereo version of=20 James=20 > > Brown's "I Got You (I Feel Good)"). When transmitting monaural=20 > > audio, such as a talk show, there is no difference between an > > AM Stereo signal and a mono AM signal (except for the pilot=20 tone),=20 > > and therefore no possible loss in loudness or coverage -- unlike > > FM Stereo, where the signal coverage loss (and corresponding=20 decrease=20 > > in S/N ratio at the receiver) is constant regardless of what kind=20 of=20 > > audio is being transmitted. > >=20 >=20 > The separation has to be of great significance to make a huge=20 difference. A=20 > typical difference between stereo and mono total peak modulation is=20 in the=20 > order of 5% if everything is setup correctly.Having the stereo=20 enhancement control=20 > turned wide open will result in less than desirable effects and=20 greater=20 > reduction in total peak modualtion during the transmission of=20 stereo information.I=20 > can not tell the difference betwen 123% and 118% modulation and=20 does not=20 > effect the coverage area at all. >=20 > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > --------------------------------- > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with=20 engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@e...,MidAtlanticEngin@a... > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > --------------------------- >=20 > ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 > Radio------------------------------------------ > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp > Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) > _______________________________________________________ >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 16:55:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88509 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 00:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 00:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 00:55:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20031111005519.83798.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.44.71] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:55:19 PST Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:55:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.81 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > I have one on the way. > Are they any Good? Yes >How much RF do they put out? Not very much. >How far has anyone TX'd using these? I can cover my yard during the day, but at night Chicago 1000 creams me, but I do not have an optimum antenna. > How good do they sound? Good, but mine is an older one, and I am going to send it back to Chris to get the new mods. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 17:01:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90511 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 01:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 01:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 01:01:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2003 01:01:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:01:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WRNE/980 Pensacola, Fla.: Slightly in Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 223 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.68 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > I have a couple channels on which I hear a little bit of daytime > platforming.... Yes but I'm hearing certain INSTRUMENTS and SINGERS on one channel...Then on other songs there's little or no separation at all. --ts From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 17:23:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62543 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 01:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 01:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 01:23:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2003 01:23:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:23:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: How many US stations use RDS ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 238 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.68 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > A thread has come up on the uk radio forum asking about this. Many ? At least three locally do. I would say an average of 1 in 6 FM stations do. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 17:30:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6271 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 01:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 01:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 01:30:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2003 01:30:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:30:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alfredo Lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 573 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.69 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > I have one on the way. Are they any Good? How much RF do they put out? How > far has anyone TX'd using these? How good do they sound? They are 10 mW, whereas Part 15 allows approximately 100mW. The4 current ones are better than what I have (I need to send mine to Chris for the "upgrade"), and even then, they're very good. As for how far, that REALLY depends on how good your ground is. You might get within a block, or you might get out to 4 miles or so. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 18:31:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6662 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 02:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 02:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.124) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 02:31:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:31:43 -0800 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav20.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:31:42 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Recommended Reading Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:31:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2003 02:31:43.0061 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1B9A050:01C3A7FB] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: 65.54.174.124 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I just got my books from Pastor J.R. Cunningham Today one is "Engineers Trade Secrets of Radio" the other is "Low Power Radio Broadcasting (Mission Edition)". I highly recommend these books to anybody who is starting, considering starting, or are running a Part 15, Part 73, or Pirate Station. Tons of schematics and explanations. Including a section on Cathode Modulated AM Transmitter and a section on Cathode Driven Linear Amp. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo Part 15 Community Radio! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 18:33:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64935 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 02:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 02:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 02:33:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2003 02:33:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:33:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1104 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > In Los Angeles, Where one talker HAS migrated to FM, they haven't > done well. They then have to adopt a "hot sex talk" format to > survive, and even then they can barely break a 2.0 share. You rarely find "mature" Talk formats on FM. That's why Howard Stern is on FM and Don Imus is on AM (in most cities, at least)... because Imus's show is considered to be more "mature". [Disclaimer: I'm not a fan of either show... I'm just using them as an example.] > Program something good, promote it well, and it will do well, AM or > FM. Problem is, FM barely does it and AM almost never does. This is true; the really good AM stations are doing just fine, and "competition" from FM is of no concern to them. In many cities, the #1 rated station is a News/Talker on AM... everywhere from WBZ in Boston to KGO in San Francisco, which Chicago's WGN in the middle. In fact, in the entire USA, the most listened-to radio station is on the AM band -- New York City's 1010 WINS. And WINS is an all-news station... are there even any all-news stations on FM? I've certainly never heard of one. From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Nov 10 18:43:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80894 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 02:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 02:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 02:43:25 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031111024317.OXKP8432.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:43:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:44:02 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.125 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AM actually has an advantage over FM for talk, as the multipath on FM=20 gets really annoying with talk. Additionally, you can hear it where the=20 FMs can't make it ... for example the south side of the peninsula near=20 where I live. AM could stage a comeback if programmers gave it a shot. I remember one=20 programmer stating just that thought from an earlier post: "It doesn't=20 matter what I do on AM; as soon as it's successful an FM will pick it=20 up and beat us." An actual quote, from a programmer of a major-market=20 AM (that I have forgotten). A study done long ago said that what people=20 wanted more of was ... MUSIC on AM. I truly believe that AM pushed people away to FM, not that FM stole=20 listeners from AM. On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 06:33 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > In Los Angeles, Where one talker HAS migrated to FM, they haven't > > done well. They then have to adopt a "hot sex talk" format to > > survive, and even then they can barely break a 2.0 share. > > You rarely find "mature" Talk formats on FM.=A0 That's why Howard Stern > is on FM and Don Imus is on AM (in most cities, at least)... because > Imus's show is considered to be more "mature".=A0 [Disclaimer: I'm not > a fan of either show... I'm just using them as an example.] > > > Program something good, promote it well, and it will do well, AM or > > FM.=A0 Problem is, FM barely does it and AM almost never does. > > This is true; the really good AM stations are doing just fine, and > "competition" from FM is of no concern to them.=A0 In many cities, the > #1 rated station is a News/Talker on AM... everywhere from WBZ in > Boston to KGO in San Francisco, which Chicago's WGN in the middle.=A0 > > In fact, in the entire USA, the most listened-to radio station is on > the AM band -- New York City's 1010 WINS.=A0 And WINS is an all-news > station... are there even any all-news stations on FM? I've certainly > never heard of one. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Mon Nov 10 18:58:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48805 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 02:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 02:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 02:58:10 -0000 Message-ID: <011301c3a7ff$bd5577e0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: tube am stereo receivers? Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:33:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Except the detection was done by a 13020P chip. Now if even that function had used tubes, THAT would be interesting. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > No, but some HAVE made C-QUAM-capable tube AMS radios, like this one: > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/3641/kou1tyuu2_ST_english.html From stodd@vippn.com Mon Nov 10 18:58:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50292 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 02:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 02:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 02:58:13 -0000 Message-ID: <011401c3a7ff$be513d00$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: road trip Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:58:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Took a 1400 mile journey this past weekend helping a friend of mine move from western NY to western KS. Heard my first up close AM IBOC from KFUO. What a disaster that was! The adjacent channel hiss sounded like a blank FM channel and could be heard for 70 miles. The guy I was helping commented that it would be the death of AM. I was surprised the radio scan function didn't stop on those carriers. I was driving a Penske truck with a horrible stock Delco radio- the one with no high end (esp. on AM) and boomy upper bass. ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 01:47:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55390 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 09:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 09:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 09:47:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2003 09:47:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:47:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Digest Number 947 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 373 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.84 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > In fact, in the entire USA, the most listened-to radio station is on > the AM band -- New York City's 1010 WINS. And WINS is an all-news > station... are there even any all-news stations on FM? I've certainly > never heard of one. 107.something WTOP in Washington, DC. Simulcasts 1500 WTOP. From chris@lledgerock.com Tue Nov 11 03:28:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48942 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 11:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 11:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lledgerock.com) (216.238.161.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 11:28:18 -0000 Received: from chris (unknown [192.168.168.101]) by lledgerock.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 68DAF32C90 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:28:18 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: How many US stations use RDS ? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:28:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Chris Curtis" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.161.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I remember correctly=97 WMHT-FM WAMC WQBK/J WZRT WHRL ??? There might be more, I don=92t think all the CC stations here have it (LOL someone willing to write to Washington Ave Ext. Albany NY?) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chris@lledgerock.com Tue Nov 11 03:28:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59882 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 11:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 11:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lledgerock.com) (216.238.161.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 11:28:18 -0000 Received: from chris (unknown [192.168.168.101]) by lledgerock.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DCC432C86 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:28:13 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: tube am stereo receivers? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:28:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <011301c3a7ff$bd5577e0$827dfea9@home1> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Chris Curtis" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.161.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, for tubes to emulate an IC, holy Jesus, I wouldn=92t want to think of = how big of a board you would need for that! -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@vippn.com] Sent: Monday, 10 November 2003 2134 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: tube am stereo receivers? Except the detection was done by a 13020P chip. Now if even that function had used tubes, THAT would be interesting. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > No, but some HAVE made C-QUAM-capable tube AMS radios, like this one: > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/3641/kou1tyuu2_ST_english.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT click here Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Nov 11 06:40:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82868 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 14:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 14:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 14:40:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2003 14:40:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:40:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 4TAB Aircheck - Big Yellow Taxi - AM Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 124 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.87 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Big Yellow Taxi (Talk Break+Station Close): ST-JX220A ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/12-bigytaxi-jx220a.mp3 From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Nov 11 07:06:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79138 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 15:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 15:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 15:06:56 -0000 Received: from localhost (d51-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.83]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hABF6tA46693 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:06:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:06:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: You have to read this. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Originating-IP: 204.62.193.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla IBOC IS DEAD. Look for a new band to open up for digital. Ya gotta read the WHOLE story. http://www.radioworld.com/reference-room/iboc/03_rw_hd_radio_show_2.shtml Kevin From jim@burgan.net Tue Nov 11 08:17:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63624 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 16:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 16:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-3.iquest.net) (206.246.180.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 16:17:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 53631 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 16:17:52 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-3.iquest.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 16:17:52 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-173.iquest.net [209.43.58.173]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with SMTP id AUM71096; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:17:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006901c3a86f$5ad28c50$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:17:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Originating-IP: 206.246.180.53 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > Program something good, promote it well, and it will do well, AM or > > FM. Problem is, FM barely does it and AM almost never does. > > This is true; the really good AM stations are doing just fine, and > "competition" from FM is of no concern to them. In many cities, the > #1 rated station is a News/Talker on AM... everywhere from WBZ in > Boston to KGO in San Francisco, which Chicago's WGN in the middle. > > In fact, in the entire USA, the most listened-to radio station is on > the AM band -- New York City's 1010 WINS. And WINS is an all-news > station... are there even any all-news stations on FM? I've certainly > never heard of one. I disagree (with the comment that anything done well would succeed on either the AM or FM band)... Chicago is a bit of a strange radio market: WGN, WLS and WBBM are all Top 10 stations, but that means that there is a 7 to 3 ratio (and Chicago probably has more AM's in the top 10 than any other major radio market). Remember, all of the successful AM's in any market in which I'm aware is either News, News/Talk or Talk. Here are the top rated AM's in reach of the top 10 radio markets: New York WINS News (4th place) LA KFI Talk (3rd place) Chicago WGN News/Talk (1st place) San Francisco KGO News/Talk (1st place) Dallas WBAP News Talk (6th place) Philly KYW News (2nd place) Houston KTRH News (7th place) Washington DC WTOP News (4th place) Boston WBZ News/Talk (1st Place) Detroit WJR Talk (1st place) All of these (and any other successful AM) are non-music formats. Even the best programmed music station can't make a showing on AM. Legendary stations that are trying to go back to the glory days (WSAI, WKBW and WRLL) will barely make a dent in the ratings. Most recent numbers: WSAI 17th place with a 1.7 rating; WKBW (or WWKB) 16th place with a 1.1 rating (it's too soon to see what WRLL is going to do). All of these stations are well-programmed, have high-profile talent, big budgets and should do better.. But the sad fact is, the MW band, in it's present form will never be successful with any format other than News/Talk/Sports. AM Stereo had it's chance and failed. Again I must make it very clear that I love AM Stereo, but it's chance has come and gone and it didn't save the MW band. I am not a proponent of IBOC in it's current form (or any other format that I'm aware of), but to say that MW can compete on an even keel with FM is ludicrous. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 09:02:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32179 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 17:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 17:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 17:02:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2003 17:02:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:02:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: NRSC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1184 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Amongst all the fluff about IBOC on www.radioworld.com, I found this: "The NRSC also is re-focusing on AM standards. It's been five years since the NRSC has reviewed the RBDS standard for this country and 10 since it has reviewed some of the AM broadcasting standards. The NRSC created an AM subcommittee to review standards for AM pre-emphasis/ de-emphasis and two other standards for occupied bandwidth. No chairman had been selected by presstime." Hopefully the NRSC will realise that their original standards are still perfectly good, and just need to be more closely enforced -- or, in the case of pre-emphasis, mandated for all stations, nost just AM Stereo stations. OTOH, I have the fear that iBiquity and its proponents may be pressuring the NRSC to reduce the AM audio bandwidth to 5 kHz for all stations, not just those using IBOC. iBiquity strongly believes that no AM receivers can reproduce any audio above 4 kHz or so, and in their literature they claim the 5 kHz cut-off will actually "improve" the sound of AM radios. Of course, nevermind the horrible "ringing" effect that it causes, even on narrow-bandwidth receivers, especially with music.... From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 09:26:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40674 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 17:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 17:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 17:26:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2003 17:26:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:26:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: tube am stereo receivers? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 486 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Curtis" wrote: > Wow, for tubes to emulate an IC, holy Jesus, I wouldn't want to think of how > big of a board you would need for that! Not as big as you think- The design for the chips (which I have seen one of the schematics somewhere) is not all that complicated. The chip is more for a prepackaged circuit design, so the circuit can be easily implemented. This is true for many analog ICs, actually. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Nov 11 10:35:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54085 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 18:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 18:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 18:35:18 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031111183506.VXCH9968.fed1mtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:35:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:36:03 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006901c3a86f$5ad28c50$9802a8c0@jimspc> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.126 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 08:17 AM, Jim Burgan wrote: > All of these (and any other successful AM) are non-music formats.=A0=20 > Even the > best programmed music station can't make a showing on AM. > Legendary stations that are trying to go back to the glory days (WSAI,=20 > WKBW > and WRLL) will barely make a dent in the ratings. > Most recent numbers:=A0 WSAI 17th place with a 1.7 rating;=A0 WKBW (or=20 > WWKB) > 16th place with a 1.1 rating (it's too soon to see what WRLL is going=20 > to > do). > Because going back to your glory days doesn't bring in people. People=20 don't want to live in the past. But the last time many AM stations got=20 good ratings was WHEN they played music, and there hasn't been an AM=20 station try to play current music with full promotion and support in=20 years. Remember, even most talk formats get no ratings either. A few stations in the LA area (incl. San Diego) that haven't gotten=20 good ratings since dropping (current) music: XTRA (690) KHJ (930) KDAY (1580) KCBQ (1170) KEZY (1190) KIIS (1150) KRLA (1110) Various formats have been tried, yet not approach the success these=20 stations had as music stations. In other words, they drove their=20 listeners to FM. No, if they went BACK to music, they may not dominate, but even a 1.7=20 is better than all but a handful of AM stations in Los Angeles. Even=20 our news stations barely break a 2.0 share, if that. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 10:38:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43884 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 18:38:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 18:38:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 18:38:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20031111183810.32780.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:38:10 PST Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:38:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 947 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Yes we have them in NZ Newstalk ZB is on 1080AM and 89.4FM it is the highest rater in Auckland for many years and its in Hamilton on 1296AM and 97.0FM. Michael Radio Pacific (which is mostly talk/horse racing) competes with ZB is mostly on FM in New Zealand only except in the major cities like Auckland,Wellington and Christchurch otherwise its generally FM Mono. --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > In fact, in the entire USA, the most listened-to > radio station is on > > the AM band -- New York City's 1010 WINS. And > WINS is an all-news > > station... are there even any all-news stations on > FM? I've certainly > > never heard of one. > > 107.something WTOP in Washington, DC. Simulcasts > 1500 WTOP. > > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Nov 11 13:10:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94153 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 21:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 21:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 21:09:57 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031111210946.XNSY9968.fed1mtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:09:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:10:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: KNX To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8363EE52-148B-11D8-BA70-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.126 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner From my column this week: (members.cox.net/rwagoner) Quick Hits The stereo light still lights up when compatible AM stereo radios tune into KNX, but there hasn't been an actual stereo signal coming from the station in a few weeks. Calls to the station confirmed that KNX plans to install digital HD Radio soon ... and the current HD Radio system is mono-only. You can tell when they switch it on: you'll hear nothing but hiss on both sides of KNX from 1050 to 1090, and the regular analog signal won't sound as good as normal. HD, in fact, requires a 5 KHz cutoff for analog in order for the digital to work, and the digital carriers interfere with the analog signal on most radios. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 16:24:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35541 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 00:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 00:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 00:24:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2003 00:24:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:24:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: tube am stereo receivers? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 459 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Coffee Shop Times" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee The McIntosh MR65 Stereo Tube Tuner... does this receive AM Stereo? If you "supersize" the pic of the left-front of the receiver at this ebay auction, you see options for "FM Mono", "AM Mono", and "Stereo". The "FM Multiplex, and various AM-broad, medium, narrow" knob is separate. So what happens when you tune to AM-Broad on one knob, and stereo on the other? The auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3057273901&category=3282 From stodd@vippn.com Tue Nov 11 16:52:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68066 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 00:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 00:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 00:52:18 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c3a8b7$54df2ea0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:53:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You wouldn't know that looking at the ratings in my market. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" Remember, even most talk formats get no ratings either. From stodd@vippn.com Tue Nov 11 16:54:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4673 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 00:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 00:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 00:54:32 -0000 Message-ID: <002b01c3a8b7$a4c8a400$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <8363EE52-148B-11D8-BA70-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} KNX Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:55:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll bet they love you for saying that. :) Good to know someone has the courage to tell the emporer he has no clothes on. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" > and the current HD Radio system is > mono-only. You can tell when they switch it on: you'll hear nothing but > hiss on both sides of KNX from 1050 to 1090, and the regular analog > signal won't sound as good as normal. HD, in fact, requires a 5 KHz > cutoff for analog in order for the digital to work, and the digital > carriers interfere with the analog signal on most radios. From stodd@vippn.com Tue Nov 11 16:56:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16723 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 00:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 00:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 00:56:42 -0000 Message-ID: <003501c3a8b7$f2682960$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: tube am stereo receivers? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:56:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Nope- too old. It would be an excellent conversion candidate, however. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coffee Shop Times" > The McIntosh MR65 Stereo Tube Tuner... does this receive AM Stereo? From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Nov 11 18:02:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29604 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 02:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 02:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 02:02:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:02:50 -0800 Received: from 172.170.246.192 by bay7-dav53.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 02:02:50 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: tube am stereo receivers? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:14:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2003 02:02:50.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[139F3020:01C3A8C1] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.46 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Coffee Shop Times wrote: > The McIntosh MR65 Stereo Tube Tuner... does this receive AM Stereo? McIntosh has never marketed an AM Stereo tuner. Kevinh From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Nov 11 18:03:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72285 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 02:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 02:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.110) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 02:03:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:03:25 -0800 Received: from 172.170.246.192 by bay7-dav6.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 02:03:25 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <002301c3a8b7$54df2ea0$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:58:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2003 02:03:25.0732 (UTC) FILETIME=[28738640:01C3A8C1] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Richard Wagoner wrote: > Remember, even most talk formats get no ratings either. Then please explain why the number one station in Boston (WBZ), Chicago (WGN), Philadelphia (KYW), Detroit (WJR), Atlanta (WSB), Phoenix (KTAR), Salt Lake City (KSL), Buffalo (WBEN), and San Diego (KOGO) are all News-Talk AMs. Personally, I think talk radio sucks, but it is a very popular format and is a cash cow for many AM stations. As for me, I would rather listen to CHWO 740. Kevin From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Nov 11 18:08:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 36412 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 02:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 02:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 02:08:05 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2003 02:08:05 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83424 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 21:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 21:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 21:30:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2003 21:30:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:30:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1709 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Nov 2003 02:08:03 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.106 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > a monaural FM radio will only see a loss in signal to noise ratio > > of the 0.8 dB that is the result of making room for the 19 kHz > > pilot tone. > > But obviously if a stereo FM receiver was used, the loss in S/N > ratio will be much more drastic, unless an aggressive "stereo blend" > circuit is used (as is common on most modern car radios). The question was why there was a loss of ground wave coverage when an AM station broadcasts in stereo. A monaural receiver was implicit in the question, and the situation with respect to FM is totally irrelevant to the original question anyway. In any case the S/N loss in FM is not as simple as in AM, due to the nonlinear nature of the FM system. I don't know that either of us is in a position to fully explain what really happens to the S/N ratio of an FM stereo system as the signal level changes, in any case it doesn't work exactly as you are assuming. > Modulating an FM signal also "kicks up" extra noise in the receiver, > as compared to transmitting dead air -- another disadvantage compared > to AM, where the received noise level is constant regardless of > modulation. This is not correct, modulating an FM signal does not "kick up" extra noise in the receiver, as long as the receiver is properly designed to match the transmitted signal. I do think I know the effect you are talking about, but it is the result of design choices made in the receiver, I would even say the receiver is incorrectly designed if this happens, although I can see why this could happen as a result of tradeoffs with other design goals for the receiver. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Nov 11 18:08:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83832 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 02:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 02:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 02:08:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2003 02:08:22 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89041 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 21:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 21:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 21:34:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2003 21:34:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:34:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NRSC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1070 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.69 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Nov 2003 02:08:20 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.103 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > OTOH, I have the fear that iBiquity and its proponents may be > pressuring the NRSC to reduce the AM audio bandwidth to 5 kHz for all > stations, not just those using IBOC. iBiquity strongly believes that > no AM receivers can reproduce any audio above 4 kHz or so, and in > their literature they claim the 5 kHz cut-off will actually "improve" > the sound of AM radios. Of course, nevermind the horrible "ringing" > effect that it causes, even on narrow-bandwidth receivers, especially > with music.... You, and several other people here, have mentioned this "horrible ringing effect" that results when the transmitted audio bandwidth is restricted to 5 kHz. I have asked several times for someone to explain what this "horrible ringing effect" is, and what causes it? It would also be interesting to understand why it also affects narrow- bandwidth receivers? Does anyone know what this "horrible ringing effect" is all about, or is it just another urban legend? John From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Nov 11 18:08:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73872 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 02:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 02:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 02:08:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2003 02:08:32 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84114 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 00:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 00:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 00:19:15 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1a5.1bd36d53 (657) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:19:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1a5.1bd36d53.2ce2d676@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:19:02 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Florida To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 152.163.225.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Nov 2003 02:08:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.89 Correction...Lee Freshwater only ARRANGED a DX Test for WMOP in 1998; he is NOT the CE for WMOP. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Nov 11 18:22:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11572 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 02:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 02:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 02:22:39 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031112022239.YWRC3905.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:22:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:23:29 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} KNX Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002b01c3a8b7$a4c8a400$827dfea9@home1> Message-Id: <3434B5CC-14B7-11D8-BA70-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are a few general managers who don't like the truth! On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 04:55 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > I'll bet they love you for saying that.=A0 :)=A0 Good to know someone has= =20 > the > courage to tell the emporer he has no clothes on. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Wagoner" > > > > > and the current HD Radio system is > > mono-only. You can tell when they switch it on: you'll hear nothing=20 > but > > hiss on both sides of KNX from 1050 to 1090, and the regular analog > > signal won't sound as good as normal. HD, in fact, requires a 5 KHz > > cutoff for analog in order for the digital to work, and the digital > > carriers interfere with the analog signal on most radios. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Nov 11 18:33:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49439 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 02:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 02:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 02:33:11 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031112023304.YXGI3322.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:33:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:33:58 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.244 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable News-talk is different that talk. And the ones you mentioned may be=20 ratings leaders; what about the five other talk stations in each city?=20 One successful talk station in the cities you mention doesn't negate my=20 point: MOST talk stations don't do well. Usually a city can support=20 one, MAYBE two. Three? Hardly ever. In Los Angeles, KFI rules talk. The combined ratings of all the other=20 talk stations are just slightly more than KFI earns alone. This is=20 partly due to KRLA, XTRA, KSPN, KMPC, and KPLS all earning ratings from=20 0 to 0.5 ... 0.8 tops. So again, yes, KFI does well. KABC does almost OK, as does KLSX (FM).=20 Yet that's still 3 successful talk formats (only two on AM) to five=20 amazingly unsuccessful talk formats. And our two news stations can=20 barely break 2.0 shares. Our FM music stations are so bad, a good real top-40 station could=20 easily earn a 2+ share ... better than most of our talk stations ...=20 especially if it didn't mind attracting teens. If more stations caught=20 on, then you'd see a real reason to tune to AM again. As it is, if AM=20 stations disappeared in LA tomorrow, I don't think most people would=20 notice. And stereo really is a waste on most of our AM stations. Richard On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 05:58 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Richard Wagoner wrote: > >=A0 Remember, even most talk formats get no ratings either. > > Then please explain why the number one station in Boston (WBZ), Chicago > (WGN), Philadelphia (KYW), Detroit (WJR), Atlanta (WSB), Phoenix=20 > (KTAR), > Salt Lake City (KSL), Buffalo (WBEN), and San Diego (KOGO) are all=20 > News-Talk > AMs. > > Personally, I think talk radio sucks, but it is a very popular format=20 > and is > a cash cow for many AM stations. As for me, I would rather listen to=20 > CHWO > 740. > > Kevin > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 18:42:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8300 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 02:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 02:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 02:42:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2003 02:42:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 02:42:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NRSC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 910 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have asked several times for someone to explain what this > "horrible ringing effect" is, and what causes it? A rudimentary Google search turned up this thread, which explains what "ringing" is: http://tinyurl.com/umti Basically, any time you have a filter with a sharp cut-off, such as a "brick wall" filter, it causes "ringing". Audiophiles have criticized CD audio because the brick-wall filter it uses around 20 kHz causes ringing in the extreme high treble. Depending on the filter design, the 10 kHz brick-wall filter that NRSC currently mandates for analog AM stations can also cause ringing. But with a 5 kHz brick-wall filter, the ringing becomes much more noticeable because it occurs right in the middle of the ear's most sensitive audio frequency range. If there is any distortion in that range, your chances of hearing it are much greater than at lower or higher frequencies. From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Nov 11 18:44:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69357 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 02:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 02:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.125) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 02:43:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:43:59 -0800 Received: from 172.170.246.192 by bay7-dav21.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 02:43:59 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NRSC Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:39:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2003 02:43:59.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2FBBC90:01C3A8C6] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.125 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 bta_50g wrote: > You, and several other people here, have mentioned this "horrible ringing effect" that results when the transmitted audio bandwidth is restricted to 5 kHz. I have asked several times for someone to explain what this "horrible ringing effect" is, and what causes it? The ringing is caused by the lousey 5kHz filter in the Orban Optimod 9200. I understand the same (Rotten sounding) filter design is used in several IBOC exciters. > > It would also be interesting to understand why it also affects narrow-bandwidth receivers? In narrow-bandwidth recievers that have poor selectivity, Such as the Pioneer Supertuner 3, the ringing can distort the audio. Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 18:51:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3630 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 02:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 02:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 02:51:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2003 02:51:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 02:51:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1772 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Richard Wagoner wrote: > > Remember, even most talk formats get no ratings either. > > Then please explain why the number one station in Boston (WBZ), Chicago > (WGN), Philadelphia (KYW), Detroit (WJR), Atlanta (WSB), Phoenix (KTAR), > Salt Lake City (KSL), Buffalo (WBEN), and San Diego (KOGO) are all News-Talk > AMs. Don't forget KGO 810 of San Francisco-- #1 for 25 yeaqrs! > Personally, I think talk radio sucks, but it is a very popular format and is > a cash cow for many AM stations. As for me, I would rather listen to CHWO > 740. With due ap;ologies to some here (and I'm sure I'll get a reprimand from the moderator for this), but it's like a certain apperndage: It's not about what it is, but what you do with it. In the case of KGO, the content is almost entirely local (except for a couple hours of Bob Brinker's "Money Talk" during the weekends), with local news and talk personalities that appeal locally (including three of the most "liberal" talk show hosts you will hear, all garnering very high ratings for the station), and the fine direction of station manager Mickey Luckoff (sp?) who has steered KGO for over 30 years, often flying in the face3 of ABC (owner), and more recently, Disney, and they let him run KGO the way he hasw, because it WORKS. Even sister station, KSFO 560, which carries national, conservative talkshows, can't tou7ch KGO's place. (KCBS 740 is KGO's only serious competitor.) Canned programming, even talk, DOES NOT WORK. If it's live and local, be it music or talk, IT WORKS! Tell the corporate suits that, they'll laugh. I -re4ally- dislike corporate media. I mean I -REALLY- dislike them! :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jim@burgan.net Tue Nov 11 19:03:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16794 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 03:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 03:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-2.iquest.net) (206.246.180.52) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 03:03:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 20163 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 03:03:53 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-2.iquest.net with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 03:03:53 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-232.iquest.net [209.43.58.232]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with SMTP id AUO57341; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:03:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003501c3a8c9$9a1ab400$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:03:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Originating-IP: 206.246.180.52 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >Because going back to your glory days doesn't bring in people. People >don't want to live in the past. But the last time many AM stations got >good ratings was WHEN they played music, and there hasn't been an AM >station try to play current music with full promotion and support in >years. Remember, even most talk formats get no ratings either. I hear music stations (including Top 40 on Expanded Band stations, broadcasting in C-Quam stereo and none of them (that I am aware of) are getting any ratings. WLS continued playing music well into the 80's and were getting their butts kicked by the big FM's. You don't package Top 40 radio and better than ABC did at WLS, yet they lost out to the better technology. Believe me, if someone thought they could do live and local contemporary music on AM these days and get ratings and make money, it would be done. My favorite AM Stereo station, which I frequently trumpet here on this forum is WZZB AM 1390 in Seymour Indiana. They are an Adult Contemporary station with lots of local news/sports. Believe me, if this station were on an FM frequency, they would easily pull a 7-10 share, but they squeak by book-after-book with a 1.7 or 1.8 share in their own county, while their FM sister (satellite country) gets a 10 share in their home county. They are 1000 watt daytimer with 60-something watts at night. Their airchain is impeccable, have received awards for their great C-Quam stereo and they sound as good as any FM in this market (on my SRF42, TM152 and Delco car stereo), yet NOBODY listens to music on AM. From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Nov 11 19:19:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45876 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 03:19:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 03:19:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 03:19:03 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031112031900.BKJS27510.fed1mtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:19:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:19:53 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003501c3a8c9$9a1ab400$9802a8c0@jimspc> Message-Id: <150263CC-14BF-11D8-BA70-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.243 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And they still get a 1.7? Kind of proves MY point! On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 07:03 PM, Jim Burgan wrote: > They are 1000 watt daytimer with 60-something watts at night. Remember, I'm not talking dominant, but considering that most AMs in major cities are below 2 shares and many are below 1s, how could music do any worse? Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Nov 11 20:35:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82374 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 04:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 04:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.113) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 04:35:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:35:07 -0800 Received: from 172.170.246.192 by bay7-dav9.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 04:35:06 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:30:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2003 04:35:07.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[596B2E50:01C3A8D6] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.113 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > Canned programming, even talk, DOES NOT WORK. If it's live and local, be it music or talk, IT WORKS! But on the other hand, both the number one and number two stations in this market (WSSL-FM and WESC-FM) are both owned by Clear Channel and both are voice tracked with the Prophet. CC also runs the rock station WBZT-FM with a Prophet. > > I -re4ally- dislike corporate media. I mean I -REALLY- dislike them! :( Yes they have ruined the radio business for good. Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 21:05:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11985 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 05:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 05:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 05:05:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20031112050548.27752.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:05:48 PST Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:05:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: WJR's Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Originating-IP: 216.136.172.144 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "please explain why the number one station in Boston (WBZ), Chicago (WGN), Philadelphia (KYW), Detroit (WJR), Atlanta (WSB), Phoenix (KTAR), Salt Lake City (KSL), Buffalo (WBEN), and San Diego (KOGO) are all News-Talk AMs." Would like to add that WJR plays some spectacular stereo commercials, id's, and Sunday morning music programming, not to mention broadcasting the Detroit Thanksgiving Day (Christmas) Parade LIVE and IN STEREO every year for the past 15 years! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From bjackson@indyradio.com Tue Nov 11 21:13:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52270 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 05:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 05:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 05:13:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2003 05:13:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 05:13:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Digest Number 947 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003501c3a8c9$9a1ab400$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > WLS continued playing music well into the 80's and were getting their butts > kicked by the big FM's. You don't package Top 40 radio and better than ABC > did at WLS, yet they lost out to the better technology. And don't forget about 840 WHAS from Louisville...I believe they were the last clear channel (not the company!) AM station to stop playing music...What was it...1987 or so? I think it was my first year at Northside Middle School (Jim gets the reference!) > My favorite AM Stereo station, which I frequently trumpet here on this forum > is WZZB AM 1390 in Seymour Indiana. They are an Adult Contemporary station > with lots of local news/sports. Believe me, if this station were on an FM > frequency, they would easily pull a 7-10 share, but they squeak by > book-after-book with a 1.7 or 1.8 share in their own county, while their FM > sister (satellite country) gets a 10 share in their home county. > They are 1000 watt daytimer with 60-something watts at night. Their > airchain is impeccable, have received awards for their great C-Quam stereo > and they sound as good as any FM in this market (on my SRF42, TM152 and > Delco car stereo), yet NOBODY listens to music on AM. Well...Never say nobody. That 1.8 or so is still *somebody* beats 1010 WCSI last book I saw for Bartholomew/Jackson counties...And if you stop into Rent A Center in Seymour, they have WZZB playing on all of their radios...Not getting too much Dolby surround out of them though on that crappy Sony receiver :-) For those of you who didn't hear...I'm no longer with Susquehanna (who owns WZZB)...Budget cuts :-( But I'm now in Dothan, AL doing PM drive and imaging director at WKMX. I have no idea where they found that awful pic of me on their web page!!!!!!! On the way down here on I-65, I noticed both Nashville, TN and Birmingham, AL both still have about 6 stations doing C-QuAM. I made a list, but it's at the apt. in a box somewhere... - Brad Jackson - PM Drive/Imaging - WKMX/Dothan, AL - http://www.wkmx.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 21:42:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86702 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 05:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 05:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 05:42:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20031112054221.78322.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.85] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:42:21 PST Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:42:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NRSC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > You, and several other people here, have mentioned > this "horrible > ringing effect" that results when the transmitted > audio bandwidth is > restricted to 5 kHz. I have asked several times for > someone to > explain what this "horrible ringing effect" is, and > what causes it? > It would also be interesting to understand why it > also affects narrow- > bandwidth receivers? Does anyone know what this > "horrible ringing > effect" is all about, or is it just another urban > legend? > John It's a KNOWN fault in the Optimod 9200, and Bob Orban even admitted it in the Radio-Tech format. It makes the highs (whatever you get at 5 KhZ) irritating to listen to. Maybe in an update to the 9200 when there's a new uploadable one for the unit. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 21:48:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27124 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 05:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 05:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 05:48:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20031112054804.7406.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.85] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:48:04 PST Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:48:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: music on AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003501c3a8c9$9a1ab400$9802a8c0@jimspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.81 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jim Burgan wrote: >yet NOBODY listens to music on AM. BZZZT !!! WNEG 630 in Toccoa, full service ( 500 w day 45 at night) gets a 40. MOR type format, with lots of LOCAL news etc, and WKDK where I work Newberry SC...1240 We beat the FM in town until it was sold and moved out of town. We play music. LOCAL all the time. Not even a computer to play spots on. OLD fashioned CARTS ! Powell W4OPW and WKDK ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 23:16:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86059 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 07:16:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 07:16:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 07:16:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2003 07:16:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:16:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Digest Number 947 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1130 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > And don't forget about 840 WHAS from Louisville...I believe they > were the last clear channel (not the company!) AM station to stop > playing music...What was it...1987 or so? If you're talking about specifically a Top 40-type music format, then there was New York City's 66 WNBC (in Kahn AM Stereo), which kept going until October 7th, 1988, when they switched to WFAN (in C-Quam AM Stereo). 1190 WOWO kept the tunes playing well into the early 1990s, but as the years went by, they gradually shifted to an Adult Contemporary format and then to an Oldies format. Here are some recordings from late 1992, as recieved via skywave DX in AM Stereo, when WOWO was playing mostly Oldies with some AC tunes in the mix, and *live* DJs in the early morning hours(!): http://tinyurl.com/unw3 > Well...Never say nobody. That 1.8 or so is still *somebody* It really depends on how big the market is... out in Nowheresville where half the people are all listening to one station, then a 1.8 isn't much... but metropolitan areas where there are dozens of stations to choose from, a 1.8 is often a nice big rating to have. From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Nov 11 23:39:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87790 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 07:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 07:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 07:39:35 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031112073922.FNFP9010.fed1mtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 02:39:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:40:27 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 947 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7BEEA0E4-14E3-11D8-BA70-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.123 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not really what I meant, but KSSK/Honolulu is still doing well. They do=20 simulcast some dayparts. On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 11:16 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > And don't forget about 840 WHAS from Louisville...I believe they > > were the last clear channel (not the company!) AM station to stop > > playing music...What was it...1987 or so? > > If you're talking about specifically a Top 40-type music format, then > there was New York City's 66 WNBC (in Kahn AM Stereo), which kept > going until October 7th, 1988, when they switched to WFAN (in C-Quam > AM Stereo). > > 1190 WOWO kept the tunes playing well into the early 1990s, but as > the years went by, they gradually shifted to an Adult Contemporary > format and then to an Oldies format.=A0 Here are some recordings from > late 1992, as recieved via skywave DX in AM Stereo, when WOWO was > playing mostly Oldies with some AC tunes in the mix, and *live* DJs > in the early morning hours(!): > > http://tinyurl.com/unw3 > > > Well...Never say nobody. That 1.8 or so is still *somebody* > > It really depends on how big the market is... out in Nowheresville > where half the people are all listening to one station, then a 1.8 > isn't much... but metropolitan areas where there are dozens of > stations to choose from, a 1.8 is often a nice big rating to have. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 23:48:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60487 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 07:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 07:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 07:48:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20031112074830.16579.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:48:30 PST Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:48:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NRSC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus It maybe your telephone:-) --- bta_50g wrote: I have asked several times for > someone to > explain what this "horrible ringing effect" is, and > what causes it? > It would also be interesting to understand why it > also affects narrow- > bandwidth receivers? Does anyone know what this > "horrible ringing > effect" is all about, or is it just another urban > legend? > > John > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Nov 12 13:28:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35305 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 21:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 21:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 21:28:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2003 21:28:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:27:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many US stations use RDS ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a101c3a7df$db2b27d0$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 34 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.64 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan So...how many then ?! A few 100 ? From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 15:24:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77481 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 23:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 23:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 23:24:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20031112232403.48483.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.190] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:24:03 PST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:24:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} KNX To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3434B5CC-14B7-11D8-BA70-0005021D3C76@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.84 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > There are a few general managers who don't like the > truth! There are some GMs and PD's ( except those on OUR list) that haven't a clue what the truth or reality is. They believe as gospel the lies told to them by Ibiquity. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 16:57:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81678 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 00:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 00:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 00:57:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 00:57:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:57:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: How many US stations use RDS ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 681 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > So...how many then ?! A few 100 ? A year or two ago, there weren't that many, and FM stations in the USA seemed to be dropping RDS more than they were adding it... but now, Clear Channel is starting to add it to a lot of their stations, so the number is growing again. I'd say about 25% of all FM stations in the USA transmit RDS -- but that's only a rough guess. As for what percentage of *receivers* in the USA support RDS, that's another story... just like AM Stereo, you really only find it on high-end car radios. A few communications receivers support it too, but there really aren't any home stereo systems, boom-boxes, walkmans, etc., that are RDS-equipped. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 17:21:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69758 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 01:21:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 01:21:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 01:21:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20031113012113.56166.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.65] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:21:13 PST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:21:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many US stations use RDS ? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.81 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Dave wrote: > So...how many then ?! A few 100 ? More than that, and the number is getting ready to explode. Clear Channel is going RDS, but Entercom announced earlier. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 17:23:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72670 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 01:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 01:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 01:23:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20031113012331.56880.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.65] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:23:31 PST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:23:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WJR's Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031112050548.27752.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.81 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > "please explain why the number one station in Boston > (WBZ), Chicago > (WGN), Philadelphia (KYW), Detroit (WJR), Atlanta > (WSB), Phoenix > (KTAR), Salt Lake City (KSL), Buffalo (WBEN), and > San Diego (KOGO) are all > News-Talk AMs." There ARE other news talks (WSB does sports, and the Braves do help!) in the markets and do dismally. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 17:25:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81095 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 01:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 01:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 01:25:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 01:25:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:25:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many US stations use RDS ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 197 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.76 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > So...how many then ?! A few 100 ? With 8000 FM stations in the US?!? Try about 1500-2000, I would think. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 17:27:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84737 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 01:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 01:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 01:27:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 01:27:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:27:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KNX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031112232403.48483.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 434 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > There are a few general managers who don't like the > > truth! > > > There are some GMs and PD's ( except those on OUR > list) that haven't a clue what the truth or reality > is. > They believe as gospel the lies told to them by > Ibiquity. Or moreso, that told by the NAB. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 17:31:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87805 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 01:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 01:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 01:31:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 01:31:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:31:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: How many US stations use RDS ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 681 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.76 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > As for what percentage of *receivers* in the USA support RDS, that's > another story... just like AM Stereo, you really only find it on > high-end car radios. A few communications receivers support it too, > but there really aren't any home stereo systems, boom-boxes, > walkmans, etc., that are RDS-equipped. And surprisingly, the only counmtry I know of where RDS-capable portables are is in the UK, with at least two radio manufacturers supplying about a dozen models between them. Not unlike AM stereo, where Japan is the only place to get non-auto AMS receivers. :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Nov 12 17:44:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45995 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 01:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 01:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 01:44:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 01:44:14 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98615 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 01:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 01:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 01:36:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 01:36:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:36:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: tube am stereo receivers? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1354 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Nov 2003 01:44:12 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.82 This auction was mislabeled, the tuner in question isn't an MR-65 as advertised, it's an MR-66. The MR-66 was an FM-AM stereo simulcast receiver, the FM and AM sections could be tuned separately and operated simultaneously for stereo reception, one channel on an FM station and the other on an AM station. The MR-65 seems to be a more popular tuner than the MR-66 on the used market. The MR-66 has the most sophisticated AM tuner section of any consumer tube tuner I have seen, it matches the Heathkit PT-1, that is often mentioned here, feature for feature, and goes it one better. I would like to pick one up some day. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Coffee Shop Times" < deepcoffee@y...> wrote: > The McIntosh MR65 Stereo Tube Tuner... does this receive AM Stereo? > > If you "supersize" the pic of the left-front of the receiver at this > ebay auction, you see options for "FM Mono", "AM Mono", and "Stereo". Also look in the "supersize" picture for where it says "MR-66". > The "FM Multiplex, and various AM-broad, medium, narrow" knob is > separate. So what happens when you tune to AM-Broad on one knob, and > stereo on the other? You enter the FM-AM simulcast stereo mode with wideband reception on the AM side. John > The auction: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3057273901&category=3282 From jim@burgan.net Wed Nov 12 18:05:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45298 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 02:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 02:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-3.iquest.net) (206.246.180.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 02:05:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 54523 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 02:05:14 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-3.iquest.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 02:05:14 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-61.iquest.net [209.43.58.61]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with SMTP id AUT31333; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:05:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003801c3a98a$92e26f40$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <150263CC-14BF-11D8-BA70-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:05:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Originating-IP: 206.246.180.53 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Richard wrote: > Remember, I'm not talking dominant, but considering that most AMs in > major cities are below 2 shares and many are below 1s, how could music > do any worse? I understand your point and agree somewhat, but then you have to pay ASCAP/BMI fees and that is a pretty stiff chunk of change in the majors. There was a station in Indianapolis that played Adult Standards (today it's WXNT, 1430 AM). They were live and local and were very well programmed. They managed to pull down anywhere from a 2.5 to a 4 share, yet by the time they paid the talent and ASCAP/BMI, they were dropping bucks faster than you could imagine (I realize Adult Standards are not exactly advertisers' most desirable demos, but that's a different story). A little over a year ago, they flipped to News/Talk running a local morning show then 19 hours of syndicated talk; Sean Hannity, Neil Bortz, Glenn Beck, Jim Bohannon, etc. They are currently ranked 5th among AM stations and 19th overall with a .9 share, yet they actually turn a small profit. Playing music can be expensive in the bigger markets, even if it's voicetracked or satellite-delivered. From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Nov 12 18:07:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81488 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 02:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 02:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 02:07:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 02:07:24 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58639 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 02:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 02:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 02:05:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 02:05:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:05:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NRSC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1662 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Nov 2003 02:07:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.65 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I have asked several times for someone to explain what this > > "horrible ringing effect" is, and what causes it? > > A rudimentary Google search turned up this thread, which explains > what "ringing" is: > > http://tinyurl.com/umti > > Basically, any time you have a filter with a sharp cut-off, such as > a "brick wall" filter, it causes "ringing". Audiophiles have > criticized CD audio because the brick-wall filter it uses around > 20 kHz causes ringing in the extreme high treble. Depending on the > filter design, the 10 kHz brick-wall filter that NRSC currently > mandates for analog AM stations can also cause ringing. > > But with a 5 kHz brick-wall filter, the ringing becomes much more > noticeable because it occurs right in the middle of the ear's most > sensitive audio frequency range. If there is any distortion in that > range, your chances of hearing it are much greater than at lower or > higher frequencies. A filter doesn't add anything to what goes into it, it only subtracts. The only effect you should notice as a result of the filter itself is the loss of the highest frequencies, the filter won't add anything. Other people have mentioned that this so called "ringing" is only a problem with the Orban Optimod 9200. I suspect the problem is not actually "ringing" of the filter, but is a result of the "overshoot compensation" algorithm Orban is using with the filter in the 9200. The "overshoot compensation" does some pretty nasty stuff, and I can easily imagine it adding some pretty egregious sounds to a 5 kHz LPF. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 18:31:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74362 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 02:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 02:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 02:31:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 02:31:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:31:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NRSC / WOR audio distortion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2315 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > A filter doesn't add anything to what goes into it, it only > subtracts. Not exactly... as you just mentioned, a brick-wall filter adds overshoot, which increases the peak amplitude of the audio. That is bad for broadcasting, because if the brick-wall filter is the final part of the audio chain before the transmitter, then the overshoot will cause overmodulation, unless the entire modulation level of the audio is reduced to compensate. The amount of overshoot depends on how sharp the "brick wall" is... that is why the NRSC filter in the Optimod 9100 starts rolling off the response at around 9.5 kHz, instead of having a sharp "cliff" right at 10 kHz, because it generates less overshoot. And as for a 5 kHz audio filter used with IBOC, I don't know exactly what causes it, but the analog part of 710 WOR's IBOC signal contains some of the worst distortion I've ever heard from a 50,000-watt radio station. It is best described as a "crackling sizzle" that is "kicked up" by the modulation in the 5 to 8 kHz audio region, especially during music and vocal sibilants. It is audible even on WOR's own modulation monitor, such as on this audio sample: http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/wor_mod_mon.wav When WOR was using a 5 kHz audio bandwidth at night (with the IBOC signal off), this distortion was still present, so it must be an artifact of their audio processing, and isn't caused by the transmission of the IBOC sidebands. Furthermore, when WOR switches to a 6 kHz analog audio bandwidth, this distortion completely disappears, so that narrows its cause down to the 5 kHz brick-wall filter, found in their Optimod 9200 audio processor -- the same culprit that others here have identified. BTW, every other IBOC station I have heard hasn't had this same kind of distortion in their audio -- including 700 WLW, 860 WWDB, 930 WPAT, 1480 WZRC, and 1530 WSAI (none of which are broadcasting IBOC anymore, by the way). So, either these other stations all aren't using the Optimod 9200, or there is something else unique about WOR's configuation which causes it. And as for Mr. Richards and Mr. Ray of WOR, their response has basically been "yes, that distortion in our audio does exist, but you can't hear it on a narrow-band radio, so it's not a problem for us". From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 18:35:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68650 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 02:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 02:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 02:35:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20031113023459.70208.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.65] by web60104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:34:59 PST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:34:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NRSC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > A filter doesn't add anything to what goes into it, > it only subtracts. > The only effect you should notice as a result of the > filter itself is > the loss of the highest frequencies, the filter > won't add anything. > Other people have mentioned that this so called > "ringing" is only a > problem with the Orban Optimod 9200. I suspect the > problem is not > actually "ringing" of the filter, but is a result of > the "overshoot > compensation" algorithm Orban is using with the > filter in the 9200. > The "overshoot compensation" does some pretty nasty > stuff, and I can > easily imagine it adding some pretty egregious > sounds to a 5 kHz LPF. > > John What the 9200 is doing in 5 KhZ mode is emulating the 9105, a Short Wave verion of the 9100 series with 5 KhZ filtering. The 9105 works so much better than the 9200 in that respect, and the 9105 is discontinued. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Nov 12 20:02:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81961 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 04:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 04:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 04:02:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 04:02:40 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55649 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 02:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 02:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 02:12:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 02:12:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:12:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: NRSC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031112054221.78322.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 736 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.73 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Nov 2003 04:02:35 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.67 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" < w4opw@y...> wrote: > > > John > > It's a KNOWN fault in the Optimod 9200, and Bob Orban > even admitted it in the Radio-Tech format. It makes > the highs (whatever you get at 5 KhZ) irritating to > listen to. Maybe in an update to the 9200 when there's > a new uploadable one for the unit. Hi Powell, What's the "Radio-Tech format"? Did Bob say what the problem was in the Optimod 9200? I suspect that the problem would have something to do with the "overshoot compensation" algorithm they are using, rather than the 5 kHz filter itself. The "overshoot compensation" does some pretty nasty stuff that I can imagine being audible with a 5 kHz filter. John From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Nov 12 20:05:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90682 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 04:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 04:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 04:05:17 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031113040502.QSPZ9010.fed1mtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:05:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:06:21 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003801c3a98a$92e26f40$9802a8c0@jimspc> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.123 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Talk stations have to pay ASCAP and BMI fees for the "bumper music."=20 How much I do not know. On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 06:05 PM, Jim Burgan wrote: > > > Richard wrote: > > Remember, I'm not talking dominant, but considering that most AMs in > > major cities are below 2 shares and many are below 1s, how could=20 > music > > do any worse? > > I understand your point and agree somewhat, but then you have to pay > ASCAP/BMI fees and that is a pretty stiff chunk of change in the=20 > majors. > There was a station in Indianapolis that played Adult Standards (today=20 > it's > WXNT, 1430 AM).=A0 They were live and local and were very well=20 > programmed. > They managed to pull down anywhere from a 2.5 to a 4 share, yet by the=20 > time > they paid the talent and ASCAP/BMI, they were dropping bucks faster=20 > than you > could imagine (I realize Adult Standards are not exactly advertisers'=20 > most > desirable demos, but that's a different story). > A little over a year ago, they flipped to News/Talk running a local=20 > morning > show then 19 hours of syndicated talk; Sean Hannity, Neil Bortz, Glenn=20 > Beck, > Jim Bohannon, etc. > They are currently ranked 5th among AM stations and 19th overall with=20 > a .9 > share, yet they actually turn a small profit. > Playing music can be expensive in the bigger markets, even if it's > voicetracked or satellite-delivered. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Nov 12 20:15:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81741 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 04:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 04:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 04:15:00 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031113041001.OTHX9968.fed1mtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:10:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:11:19 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} KNX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6EEFD043-158F-11D8-9831-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.126 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Drama Hour-wise, K-SURF (KSUR/XSUR, 1260/540) will start their own version beginning Monday, 11/17 at 8 PM. I doubt they will ever go HD Radio. Speaking of HD: I'm a bit curious if people will be turned off by the fact that they won't even be able to have two radios on in the house at the same time on the same station due to the differing lag ... Richard From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 20:51:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64000 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 04:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 04:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 04:51:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20031113045129.53798.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.103] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:51:29 PST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:51:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NRSC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" < > w4opw@y...> wrote: > > > > > John > > > > It's a KNOWN fault in the Optimod 9200, and Bob > Orban > > even admitted it in the Radio-Tech format. It > makes > > the highs (whatever you get at 5 KhZ) irritating > to > > listen to. Maybe in an update to the 9200 when > there's > > a new uploadable one for the unit. > > Hi Powell, > > What's the "Radio-Tech format"? I'm half asleep. I meant to say on the Radio-Tech mailing list on broadcast.net > Did Bob say what the problem was in the Optimod > 9200? I suspect that > the problem would have something to do with the > "overshoot > compensation" algorithm they are using, rather than > the 5 kHz filter > itself. The "overshoot compensation" does some > pretty nasty stuff > that I can imagine being audible with a 5 kHz > filter. > John He didn't really say. But I think it's the software that needs to be written a bit better. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 20:52:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64064 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 04:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 04:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 04:52:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 04:52:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:52:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003801c3a98a$92e26f40$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3816 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.81 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > Richard wrote: > > Remember, I'm not talking dominant, but considering that most AMs in > > major cities are below 2 shares and many are below 1s, how could music > > do any worse? > > I understand your point and agree somewhat, but then you have to pay > ASCAP/BMI fees and that is a pretty stiff chunk of change in the majors. =snip= > Playing music can be expensive in the bigger markets, even if it's > voicetracked or satellite-delivered. This is a bit of a hot button for me, and it's why I had no love for the RIAA long before the MP3 debacle. In a word, they made it EXPENSIVE for a broadcast station to broadcast music. It did two things: 1: Caused many stations to either drop music, or 2: Go to canned/networked/satellite-fed music, as the music fees could be distributed cheaply in bulk. This killed music on AM- Remember that there was a veritable explosion of talk formats sometime between 1985 and 1987, where many dropped music for talk, almost en masse- Because it was cheaper. This killed any hope of AM stereo making any serious inroads- There became no point. This is a major reason why programming is so bad on both AM and FM, and looks like there is no end in sight. This is also why music sales have become rather disasterous- RIAA's greed has keps CD prioes artificially high, and exposure artificially low to the point of irrelevance. But I don't blame the RIAA entirely for all of broadcast radio's woes- - The NAB have a major hand in this, too, only that this isn't the focus of my response, here. Broadcast radio is presently incapaqble of being saved, until BOTH the RIAA and NAB change their ways, or be forced to out of necessity....or I should say, out of reality. AM stereo wouldn't save it if it could. IBOC certainly can't. Improved receivers are meaningless, now. Broadcast radio as we know it will cease to exist within 10 years. Yes, 10. What will become of the bands? It might open the door for a new kind of broadcaster, more like the broadcasters of the 1910s before commercial licenses came into existance. Radio will need to totally reinvent itself. The radio landscape that you know will be gone very soon. You won't recognize it. Yes, there will be broadcasters still, but nothing like you know today. And at the same time, the music industry will reinvent itself, where artists won't rely on companies to publish their music. Yes, I'm predicting a radio & music Armageddon, one we only have the faintest hints of what will come. It's already starting in music, now- Artists are distributing their works outside of RIAA/ASCAP/BMI, and directly to the public. Online radio stations (regardless of the laws) are operating with relative independence. These are the directions our world of radio and music are going. The corporates are doing themselves in- You know, give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves. (And please, don't think for a MINUTE that I'm Socialist/Communist- I think capitalism in its most basic form- Earning an income based on one's work and effort- is best for everyone. The cortporates are completely out of control.) There, I said it. :P THAT is why I'm trying to preserve AM stereo technology- So it can be there when the corporates that made them are out of the picture, and for anyone with an interest to experiment and use it. I don't WANT to rely on the generosity of manufacturers, broadcasters, and otrher industries to preserve AM stereo for the future. It's not up to the regulators, broadcasters, manufacturers, or the music industry to save AM stereo- It's OUR responsibility. It's up to US. And I'll repeat Davo from Doundunder once again: What have YOU done for AM stereo? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 20:53:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71001 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 04:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 04:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 04:53:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20031113045331.30314.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.103] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:53:31 PST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:53:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NRSC / WOR audio distortion To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.84 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > BTW, every other IBOC station I have heard hasn't > had this same kind > of distortion in their audio -- including 700 WLW, > 860 WWDB, 930 > WPAT, 1480 WZRC, and 1530 WSAI (none of which are > broadcasting IBOC > anymore, by the way). So, either these other > stations all aren't > using the Optimod 9200, or there is something else > unique about WOR's > configuation which causes it. WSAI's audio is very irritating to listen to in 5 kilohertz mode. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 20:55:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71354 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 04:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 04:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 04:55:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20031113045512.54527.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.103] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:55:12 PST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:55:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > Talk stations have to pay ASCAP and BMI fees for the > "bumper music." > How much I do not know. Don't forget that stations have to pay separate fees for music used in commercials. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 20:56:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36617 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 04:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 04:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 04:56:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20031113045610.30958.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.103] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:56:10 PST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:56:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} KNX To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6EEFD043-158F-11D8-9831-0005021D3C76@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.84 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > Speaking of HD: I'm a bit curious if people will be > turned off by the > fact that they won't even be able to have two radios > on in the house at > the same time on the same station due to the > differing lag ... > Richard The analog gets delayed to match the digital. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 20:57:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16642 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 04:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 04:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 04:57:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 04:57:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:57:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NRSC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 259 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > A filter doesn't add anything to what goes into it, it only subtracts. It may not add anything, but it can sure distort it, causing that "tinging" from the cutoff. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 21:10:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58805 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 05:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 05:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 05:10:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 05:10:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:10:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 765 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Talk stations have to pay ASCAP and BMI fees for the "bumper music." > How much I do not know. Actually, there are royalty-free bumper music services for just this reason, and the way copyright laws work, they aren't required to pay fees for use of excerpts. The other alternative is NOT to use any RIAA/ASCAP/BMI sources, such as independently-produced souyrces. And yes, there is NO requirement that says a music source must be from the RIAA, or that the work is published under ASCAP or BMI. The US copyright laws freely allow independent publication. The industry, however, is thoroughly entrenched with RIAA/ASCAP/BMI, much like a Mafia-run monopoly. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 21:16:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7060 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 05:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 05:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 05:16:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 05:15:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:15:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KNX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6EEFD043-158F-11D8-9831-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 612 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Drama Hour-wise, K-SURF (KSUR/XSUR, 1260/540) will start their own > version beginning Monday, 11/17 at 8 PM. I doubt they will ever go HD > Radio. IBOC isn't even under consideration in Mexico, and just for the record, 540's proper calls are XESURF, since Mexinan calls may be anywhere from 3 ro 6 letters, beginning with X or XE. At least 540 is somewhat audible where I was, although as noted, in mono. It's just that KNX could draw from CBS's extensive library of radio dramas over the last 75 years. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Nov 12 21:32:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12474 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 05:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 05:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 05:32:21 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031113053212.ONWO28419.fed1mtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:32:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:33:25 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} KNX Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.242 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My understanding is that CBS doesn't actually own the programs that KNX ran. On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 09:15 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > > It's just that KNX could draw from CBS's extensive library of radio > dramas over the last 75 years. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > < [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Nov 12 21:34:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75188 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 05:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 05:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 05:34:26 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031113053409.PDDS14590.fed1mtao07.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:34:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:35:30 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} KNX Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031113045610.30958.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <31DFCE50-159B-11D8-9831-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.124 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doesn't the delay vary between HD radios as well, or is that constant? I recall reading somewhere (here?) that the decoding of the digital signals can vary enough to cause an annoying echo effect. On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 08:56 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > Speaking of HD: I'm a bit curious if people will be > > turned off by the > > fact that they won't even be able to have two radios > > on in the house at > > the same time on the same station due to the > > differing lag ... > > > Richard > > > The analog gets delayed to match the digital. > > > Powell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mmalm@btinet.net Wed Nov 12 22:17:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mmalm@btinet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78595 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 06:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 06:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 06:17:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 06:17:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:17:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Help with chrysler AM stereo radio. Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 760 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "n0faz" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.64 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83590293 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0faz I've not been able to afford or find a quality AM stereo tuner for a price that I can justify. With that in mind I picked up an AM/FM radio from a 1989 chrysler minivan. It's got AM stereo and FM as well. I've now "disassembled" the radio to make it fit in a very thin rack mount case. I've removed the display and placed it behind the original blue window from the van radio, but now on the front of the rack case. knobs and switches have been moved to the front of the case as well. All works fine in the AM mode. However I am in need of some service literature for the FM mode. The stereo decode does not function. If anyone is interested I will attempt to attach or upload some photos of my tuner. It's been working for about a year now. Mark From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 22:21:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88021 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 06:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 06:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 06:21:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 06:21:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:21:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KNX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 563 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > My understanding is that CBS doesn't actually own the programs that KNX > ran. Technically, they don't- They're in the Public Domain. If I'm not mistaken, all radio programs' copyrights expire after 26 years. I think they were renewable for one more 26-year term, for 52 years, but most aren't renewed. Just that in this case, this was due to KNX's access to the CBS library, which can keep a station going for years. It pays to be owned by CBS, sometimes. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Nov 12 22:30:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88115 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 06:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 06:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 06:30:40 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031113063032.NMHO3322.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:30:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:31:42 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} KNX Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0BA7A5E4-15A3-11D8-A8E0-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.244 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I could be wrong, but I seem to recall someone stating that KNX paid a completely separate company to get the shows. Is it possible that CBS gave the library to someone/something else? On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 10:21 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > My understanding is that CBS doesn't actually own the programs that > KNX > > ran. > > Technically, they don't- They're in the Public Domain. If I'm not > mistaken, all radio programs' copyrights expire after 26 years. I > think they were renewable for one more 26-year term, for 52 years, > but most aren't renewed. > > Just that in this case, this was due to KNX's access to the CBS > library, which can keep a station going for years. It pays to be > owned by CBS, sometimes. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 22:42:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2226 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 06:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 06:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 06:42:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 06:42:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:42:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KNX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0BA7A5E4-15A3-11D8-A8E0-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 420 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I could be wrong, but I seem to recall someone stating that KNX paid a > completely separate company to get the shows. Is it possible that CBS > gave the library to someone/something else? I really don't know. Ah, well- There are chesap places online to order CD-Rs of old-time radio, such as http://www.otrcat.com Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 23:11:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84121 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 07:11:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 07:11:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 07:11:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20031113071154.71467.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:11:54 PST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:11:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: OT Good DX tonight To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.38 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Good dx tonight can hear ABC Radio on 1120 tonight and its 8pm and still not yet dark -Unfortunately as "summer doesn't want to know" this year theres a chilly wind tonight in Auckland and jerseys required so out I try again.... ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Nov 12 23:13:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66138 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 07:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 07:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 07:13:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 07:13:12 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42762 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 04:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 04:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 04:30:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 04:30:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:30:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: NRSC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031113023459.70208.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 485 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.87 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Nov 2003 07:13:09 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.79 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" < w4opw@y...> wrote: > > What the 9200 is doing in 5 KhZ mode is emulating the > 9105, a Short Wave verion of the 9100 series with 5 > KhZ filtering. The 9105 works so much better than the > 9200 in that respect, and the 9105 is discontinued. If the 9105 works so much better than the 9200 in that respect, then it doesn't sound like the 9200 is really emulating the 9105, or at least it is doing a poor job. John From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Nov 12 23:13:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 63903 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 07:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 07:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 07:13:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 07:13:24 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79006 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 05:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 05:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 05:31:06 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.151.26bf7aa6 (30970) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:31:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <151.26bf7aa6.2ce47117@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:31:03 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 947 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 152.163.225.97 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Nov 2003 07:13:23 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.82 WHAS actually stopped playing music overnights around 1997, making the questionable decision of dropping AM Stereo at the same time. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Nov 12 23:13:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54026 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 07:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 07:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 07:13:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 07:13:37 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46405 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 05:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 05:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 05:32:02 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.15f.2840d35a (30970) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:31:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <15f.2840d35a.2ce4714c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:31:56 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 947 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Nov 2003 07:13:37 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.107 Actually, WLS was in the top ten in the ratings as late as 1987; they killed themselves by adding Sally Jessy Raphael and Tom Snyder in 1988. The music finally went away in 1989. They briefly simulcast their format on 94.7 FM after the FM station dropped Top 40 around 1991. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Nov 12 23:14:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30684 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 07:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 07:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 07:14:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 07:14:52 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88998 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 05:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 05:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 05:33:46 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.102.389d69f9 (30970) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:33:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <102.389d69f9.2ce471b4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:33:40 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 152.163.225.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Nov 2003 07:14:50 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.78 In St. Louis, only KMOX, KTRS and KWMU does well. KMOX (1120) is usually the top dog in the market (figures, they've been mostly News/Talk since 1960), although their ratings have slipped into the single digits since dropping AM Stereo in 2000. KTRS (another Offender of the AM Stereo Faith, this one at 550) has given the Once Mighty Mox a good run for the money, consistently pulling 3-4% in the ratings. Public radio station KWMU (90.7) is the top dog in FM talk, consistently pulling 2-2.5% in the ratings. KFTK (97.1), even with the addition of arch-conservative talkers Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity, is struggling to get above 1%. WGNU (920) often gets 0.5-1% in the ratings with free-form talk with fewer commercial interruptions (yet, they find a way to remain profitable!). WGNU (the calls stand for "What's New?"; since WNEW was already taken, the station got another spelling, referring to a type of South African antelope) has run this format from it's inception in 1961, augmented with a variety of paid weekend programming and occasional easy listening music. Both FMs broadcast in Stereo. Christian talker KJSL (630) dropped most of their anti-Catholic talkers; yet, they still struggle to make 1%. The talk market may be adding another player, as WEW (770) is rumored to be switching to conservative talk. Now, why would St. Louis need another conservative talker when we already have it on KMOX and KTRS, centrist talk on KWMU and both ends of the spectrum on WGNU? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Nov 12 23:16:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84328 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 07:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 07:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 07:16:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 07:16:01 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18249 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 06:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 06:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 06:02:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 06:02:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:02:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NRSC / WOR audio distortion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1678 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Nov 2003 07:16:01 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.92 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > A filter doesn't add anything to what goes into it, it only > > subtracts. > > Not exactly... as you just mentioned, a brick-wall filter adds > overshoot, No, I didn't just mention that "a brick-wall filter adds overshoot", what I mentioned was Orban's "overshoot compensator". The facts are that overshoot is a characteristic of some filters, and results from one of two causes. The first cause is incorrect phase compensation of the filter, which Orban wouldn't do, resulting in differing time delays for different frequency components of a wave form causing overshoot. The second cause of overshoot, and the one we are primarily concerned with, is the direct result of the removal by the filter of frequency components above the cutoff frequency. The overshoot results not from adding something, but from removing something. A filter can't add anything, just remove things, or change their temporal relationships. > which increases the peak amplitude of the audio. That is > bad for broadcasting, because if the brick-wall filter is the final > part of the audio chain before the transmitter, then the overshoot > will cause overmodulation, unless the entire modulation level of the > audio is reduced to compensate. No, decreasing the modulation level is bad for broadcasting, so to avoid decreasing the modulation level, one of the things Orban does is to add an "overshoot compensator" circuit, or algorithm, to the filter, to mitigate the filter overshoot. It is this "overshoot compensator" that I suspect may be the cause of your so called "ringing". John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 23:29:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98345 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 07:29:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 07:29:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 07:29:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 07:29:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:29:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KNX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031113045610.30958.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 430 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.84 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The analog gets delayed to match the digital. I think he was talking about having multiple IBOC receivers on, receiving a station in digital mode. In that case, just like if you have two computers playing the same internet audio feed, they're never going to be perfectly in synch, multiple IBOC radios will never be perfectly in synch when receiving the same signal, due to the buffering and error correction involved. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 23:36:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93617 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 07:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 07:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41202.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 07:36:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20031113073605.5530.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:36:05 PST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:36:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Good DX tonight To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031113071154.71467.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Got KTMW or something on 1120 News Radio 1130 with metrologist Russell someone saying Santa something but very noisy. --- Michael and Ross wrote: > Good dx tonight can hear ABC Radio on 1120 tonight > and > its 8pm and still not yet dark -Unfortunately as > "summer doesn't want to know" this year theres a > chilly wind tonight in Auckland and jerseys required > so out I try again.... > > ===== > Michael&Ross > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Nov 12 23:59:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58633 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 07:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 07:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 07:59:27 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.84]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:03:06 -0500 Message-ID: <007701c3a9bb$eb37ff80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: tube am stereo receivers? Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:58:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 This is a very good one to modify for stereo AM- disabling the FM while in "AM + FM" and feeding the decoder output to the audio chain as normal. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: bta_50g To: Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:36 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: tube am stereo receivers? > > This auction was mislabeled, the tuner in question isn't an MR-65 as > advertised, it's an MR-66. The MR-66 was an FM-AM stereo simulcast > receiver From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Nov 13 00:06:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31733 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 08:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 08:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 08:06:54 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031113080639.SVDQ9010.fed1mtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:06:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:08:00 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 947 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <15f.2840d35a.2ce4714c@aol.com> Message-Id: <7F7EC7CA-15B0-11D8-A8E0-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.123 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KFRC killed itself by adding game shows from 9 am to 3 pm. Another Walter Sabo (Car Radio creator) idea. They'd probably still be around as top-40 today had they not done that! On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 09:31 PM, n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > Actually, WLS was in the top ten in the ratings as late as 1987; they > killed > themselves by adding Sally Jessy Raphael and Tom Snyder in 1988. The > music > finally went away in 1989. They briefly simulcast their format on 94.7 > FM after > the FM station dropped Top 40 around 1991. > > 7 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 05:59:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59524 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 13:59:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 13:59:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 13:59:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20031113135902.33729.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:59:02 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:59:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Chrysler Radio + IBOC Delay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Originating-IP: 216.136.172.143 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The Chrysler radio sounds like a neat project. These radios do have a history of problems on the CD-only versions of the display/CD/FM going south, but the AMS/FMS/Cassettes are pretty durable. Regarding IBOC delays, if you have 2 radios on in the house, one an IBOC, and one an analog, technically there is a 7-second delay - but only during sporting events. They are going to delay the analog 7 seconds to match the IBOC under most conditions. Problem here is with a baseball game they will have to cut the analog delay to zero so you can hear what's going on in realtime and not hear on the radio that a guy hit the ball and he's already rounding 2nd base. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Nov 13 07:53:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22353 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 15:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 15:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 15:53:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:53:10 -0800 Received: from 205.160.194.34 by by99fd.bay99.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:53:10 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Alfredo Lite *More* Attn:C. Cuff Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:53:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2003 15:53:10.0826 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D17C0A0:01C3A9FE] From: "R C" X-Originating-IP: 65.54.175.42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Want to know if the Alfredo Lite Differs from the posted schematic in the archives. if so I would like a schematic of the alfredo lite. I will be trying to design some after market Modification Kits for the Alfredo Lite. Stuff like PLL Synth, 100mw RF Amp for P15.219, A 10-20w Amp for Carrier Current use. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Ps: Excellent product chris!!! I just got my alfredo last night and it sounds great!!! _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Nov 13 08:12:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 99900 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 16:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 16:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 16:12:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 16:12:22 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51551 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 13:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 13:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 13:11:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 13:11:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:11:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KNX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0BA7A5E4-15A3-11D8-A8E0-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 410 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Nov 2003 16:12:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.72 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I could be wrong, but I seem to recall someone stating that KNX paid a > completely separate company to get the shows. Is it possible that CBS > gave the library to someone/something else? What Library are you talking about? The only show that CBS might own is that series, I forget the name that CBS did in the 70's. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 08:18:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18551 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 16:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 16:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 16:18:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 16:17:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:17:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chrysler Radio + IBOC Delay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031113135902.33729.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 901 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.64 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Regarding IBOC delays, if you have 2 radios on in the house, one an > IBOC, and one an analog, technically there is a 7-second delay - > but only during sporting events. They are going to delay the > analog 7 seconds to match the IBOC under most conditions. It's actually more like 8-1/2 seconds. WOR usually kills the analog delay when running sporting events. They'll probably have to keep the delay full-time on if/when IBOC auto receivers become available, because that would cause extreme annoyance when the receiver blends to analog and then kicks back to digital mode, and you hear the last 8-1/2 seconds of audio repeated again. And I wonder, what about the New Year's countdown? If digital radio and TV become universal, will they drop the ball in Times Square a few seconds in advance so that people watching or listening to it at home will have it occur at the correct time? From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 10:29:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60530 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 18:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 18:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41015.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.14) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 18:29:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20031113182933.64182.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.64.99.244] by web41015.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:29:33 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:29:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} You have to read this. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I don't know if I saw anything that implied that IBOC is dead, but I hope it is. Isn't digital supposed to be on 1.452-1.492GHz? Jay __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 10:38:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47274 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 18:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 18:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 18:38:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 18:37:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:37:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} You have to read this. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031113182933.64182.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 654 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > I don't know if I saw anything that implied that > IBOC is dead, but I hope it is. Isn't digital > supposed to be on 1.452-1.492GHz? That's the same impression I got. And E147 is presently used in Band III (220 MHz) as well as L-Band (1.47 GHz), but the E147 standard does not REQUIRE the use of either band. Here is a site with known E147 DAB ensemble bandplans: http://www.wohnort.demon.co.uk/DAB/ A few countries, like China, use non-standard DAB frequencies. PC-based DAB receivers can be configured to receive DAB stations on just about any frequency. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 13:39:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70453 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 21:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 21:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 21:39:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20031113213916.811.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.218.132] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:39:16 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:39:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NRSC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" < > w4opw@y...> wrote: > If the 9105 works so much better than the 9200 in > that respect, then > it doesn't sound like the 9200 is really emulating > the 9105, or at > least it is doing a poor job. > John The software does a poor job. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 14:38:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99973 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 22:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 22:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 22:38:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20031113223851.44814.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.106] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:38:51 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:38:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: KMOX To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <102.389d69f9.2ce471b4@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > In St. Louis, only KMOX, KTRS and KWMU does well. > KMOX (1120) is usually the > top dog in the market (figures, they've been mostly > News/Talk since 1960), > although their ratings have slipped into the single > digits since dropping AM > Stereo in 2000. Dropping AM stereo was NOT the reason for the drop in ratings. CBS bigwigs meddling with the format did it. They meddled with WCCO with the same results. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 14:40:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51585 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 22:40:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 22:40:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 22:40:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20031113224005.54510.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.106] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:40:05 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:40:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} KNX To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <31DFCE50-159B-11D8-9831-0005021D3C76@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > Doesn't the delay vary between HD radios as well, or > is that constant? > I recall reading somewhere (here?) that the decoding > of the digital > signals can vary enough to cause an annoying echo > effect. Constant. Tom Ray can give the exact time lag, isn't it somewhere in the 7 to 8 second category ? Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 14:45:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96836 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 22:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 22:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 22:45:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20031113224554.97503.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.106] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:45:54 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:45:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} You have to read this. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031113182933.64182.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- JNR wrote: > I don't know if I saw anything that implied that > IBOC is dead, but I hope it is. Isn't digital > supposed to be on 1.452-1.492GHz? > > Jay It's my story that IBOC that won't be allowed to die. There's far too much money. As for dying, some of the most vocal opponents might be put out of service. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 17:47:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75160 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 01:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 01:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 01:47:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2003 01:47:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:47:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KMOX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031113223851.44814.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 633 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.68 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > In St. Louis, only KMOX, KTRS and KWMU does well. > > KMOX (1120) is usually the > > top dog in the market (figures, they've been mostly > > News/Talk since 1960), > > although their ratings have slipped into the single > > digits since dropping AM > > Stereo in 2000. > > Dropping AM stereo was NOT the reason for the drop in > ratings. CBS bigwigs meddling with the format did it. > They meddled with WCCO with the same results. It would be so nice if marketing consultants were banned. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Thu Nov 13 18:10:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90051 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 02:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 02:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 02:10:47 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c3aa54$a1f0e640$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:11:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Judging by your doomsday scenario the best thing any of us can do now is to snatch all the AMS gear they possibly can. Aside from that, your predictions leave very little room for anything else. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > Yes, I'm predicting a radio & music Armageddon, one we only have the > faintest hints of what will come. > > It's not up to the regulators, broadcasters, manufacturers, or the > music industry to save AM stereo- It's OUR responsibility. > > It's up to US. > > And I'll repeat Davo from Doundunder once again: What have YOU done > for AM stereo? From stodd@vippn.com Thu Nov 13 18:14:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36890 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 02:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 02:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 02:14:29 -0000 Message-ID: <003501c3aa55$24bb42a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help with chrysler AM stereo radio. Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:15:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've gotten service manuals from Downtown Radio in Denver. Do a switchboard.com search for them. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "n0faz" All works fine in the AM mode. However I am in > need of some service literature for the FM mode. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 18:56:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89041 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 02:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 02:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 02:56:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20031114025619.8179.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.102] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:56:19 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:56:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > > Dropping AM stereo was NOT the reason for the drop > in > > ratings. CBS bigwigs meddling with the format did > it. > > They meddled with WCCO with the same results. > > It would be so nice if marketing consultants were > banned. > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ We could burn them at the stake. Or force them to listen to their crap at loud levels 24/7....with no breaks. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 21:22:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21767 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 05:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 05:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 05:22:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2003 05:22:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 05:22:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c3aa54$a1f0e640$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 943 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Judging by your doomsday scenario the best thing any of us can do now is to > snatch all the AMS gear they possibly can. Aside from that, your > predictions leave very little room for anything else. Correct. It does NOT look good. If WE want AM stereo, it is up to US to make sure that's possible. Bob, Neal, MJR and others here that have made sure their stations have or remain stereo are the EXCEPTIONS, and all should be commended for sticking to their guns and continue to support AM stereo. But these are few, sadly. And God willing, they'll continue to perservere against the odds and provide quality AM stereo broadcasting for years to come. But I don't hold out much hope for the rest, and we can't depend on anyone in the "Industry" to be there for us- We, the enthusiasts of AM stereo, listeners and broadcasters, are on our own. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bratina501@msn.com Thu Nov 13 21:37:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87086 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 05:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 05:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 05:37:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2003 05:37:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 05:37:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KDIS aircheck being uploaded.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 920 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/KDIS-Disney-11092003- earlyAM.MP3 > > will be around 61-62MB or so when done. > > it's AM 1110 KDIS Pasadena (Radio Disney) recorded from my > grandparents' house on a Sony SRF-42 into a RipFlash Plus at > 80kbit/sec mp3. It's the Top 30 countdown this past Sunday morning, > minus a local almost-1-hour public affairs program from 5-6 approx > that (GRRR!!! Just run it on the other stations, ok, ABC???) was also > on 710 and 790. I have a Radio Disney AM stereo aircheck myself recorded from PDX International airport in Portland Oregon (AM 1640) Formerly KPBC which was owned by Crawford and still in stereo. ABC did not shut off the exciter at KDZR 1640 I personaly think that this was a good decision since it really helps their sound. Compared to KKDZ 1250 Seattle at least. From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Nov 13 22:28:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85112 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 06:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 06:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 06:28:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2003 06:28:08 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81074 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 05:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 05:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 05:36:32 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1ad.1c3d1d6a (30970) for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:36:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1ad.1c3d1d6a.2ce5c3dc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:36:28 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Good DX tonight To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Nov 2003 06:28:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.106 That's KPNW in Eugene, OR on 1120; 50 kW DA-1 to protect St. Louis on 1120 at night, and 1110 in Bend, OR at all hours. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 22:33:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43051 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 06:33:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 06:33:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 06:33:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20031114063342.32472.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:33:42 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:33:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KDIS aircheck being uploaded.... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wont download and copied and pasted and joined both lines goes 11001 file not found.If I click on it it starts Quicktime and It cant be saved.Michael bratina501 wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/KDIS-Disney-11092003- earlyAM.MP3 > > will be around 61-62MB or so when done. > > it's AM 1110 KDIS Pasadena --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 22:38:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5666 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 06:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 06:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 06:38:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20031114063836.33106.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:38:36 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:38:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Good DX tonight To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1ad.1c3d1d6a.2ce5c3dc@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Eric for that MyYacht Boy radio seems to pick up just about everything on the fence outside on the MW band but its too cold tonight with the breezy wind interlaced with some showers here and when I copied the call sign a loud burst of static overode it but it sounds like it. Michael n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: That's KPNW in Eugene, OR on 1120; 50 kW DA-1 to protect St. Louis on 1120 at night, and 1110 in Bend, OR at all hours. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 22:43:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29744 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 06:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 06:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 06:43:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2003 06:43:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:43:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: KDIS aircheck being uploaded.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031114063342.32472.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 491 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.68 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > > Wont download and copied and pasted and joined both lines goes 11001 file not found.If I click on it it starts Quicktime and It cant be saved.Michael Go to ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/ and right-click on the KDIS file, then select "Save target as...", then select your destination. Have fun- It's about 61 MB, so it's a LONG download. It's an 80kbps/24kHz 100-minute MP3. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 22:48:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77628 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 06:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 06:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 06:48:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2003 06:48:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:48:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KDIS aircheck being uploaded.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031114063342.32472.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 733 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.69 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Try this: http://tinyurl.com/uyg5 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > > Wont download and copied and pasted and joined both lines goes 11001 file not found.If I click on it it starts Quicktime and It cant be saved.Michael > bratina501 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/KDIS-Disney-11092003- > earlyAM.MP3 > > > > will be around 61-62MB or so when done. > > > > it's AM 1110 KDIS Pasadena > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 22:49:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83302 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 06:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 06:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 06:49:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2003 06:49:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:49:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Good DX tonight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031114063836.33106.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1189 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.73 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key you mean like this, but with a different radio? http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/panasonic_fence_attempt_dx.jpg --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Thanks Eric for that MyYacht Boy radio seems to pick up just about everything on the fence outside on the MW band but its too cold tonight with the breezy wind interlaced with some showers here and when I copied the call sign a loud burst of static overode it but it sounds like it. > > Michael > > n0uiheric@a... wrote: > That's KPNW in Eugene, OR on 1120; 50 kW DA-1 to protect St. Louis on 1120 at > night, and 1110 in Bend, OR at all hours. > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 23:27:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9081 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 07:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 07:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41214.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 07:27:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20031114072718.97972.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:27:18 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:27:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Good DX tonight To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes it was The fence makes a very good ariel and I have got some of the US stations without the fence but very weak and then they can sound like "steam locomotives" due to mixing of signals.ie Tonga on 1017 Lit about 2 of 7 on the signal meter but went to 5 on the fence. Michael pianoplayer88key wrote: you mean like this, but with a different radio? http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/panasonic_fence_attempt_dx.jpg --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Fri Nov 14 02:49:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83595 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 10:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 10:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 10:49:41 -0000 Received: from user-819.wfd17.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.67.51] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AKbWG-0007L3-Av for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:49:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:48:15 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Alfredo Lite MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Originating-IP: 195.92.193.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Rev, To save you some time designing an AM band synth you may wish to check out Freddo's Dutch site. http://www.freddospage.nl/ If you navigate his site you'll see the Philips TSA5511 PLL and PIC controller design. He even gives you the 'free to download' PIC code! The whole deal costs you less than having a custom rock cut. Regards -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 08:33:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86196 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 16:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 16:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12805.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 16:33:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20031114163358.80955.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:33:58 PST Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:33:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fwd: AM Stereo Help To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.136.174.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- Alan Matthews wrote: > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:00:20 -0000 > From: "Alan Matthews" > To: kevtronics@yahoo.com > Subject: AM Stereo Help > > Hi Kevin, > I recently traded in my 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo on a 2004 > Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited. The '93 Jeep had an AM-Stereo/FM- > Stereo/Cassette/Graphic EQ radio that sounded really nice. Every car > I've owned for the past 20 years or so has had an AM-Stereo radio so > I may be a little spoiled. The radio in the new Jeep SUCKS! BAD! > The AM is extremely muffled. Running the treble control up and down > has no effect. On FM and CD the radio is very bassy and lacks > sufficient treble. I have a brochure for the '04 Grand Cherokees > that lists an AM-Stereo/FM-Stereo/Cassette/CD/CD-Changer/Graphic EQ > radio. That sounds like what I'm looking for. But my dealer cannot > find the radio in any of their books, they say it does not seem to > exist. They suggested I contact Jeep directly. I did that and found > them to be boneheads without a clue. They say the radio I have now, > AM/FM-Stereo/Cassette/CD/CD Changer is their top-of-the-line radio > except for the navigation radio. I need help! I cannot stand to > listen to this poor excuse for a radio! Do you have any info on > this? Any help will be much appreciated! > > Regards; > Allen H. Dunkin > Roswell, Georgia __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 14:23:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7489 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 22:23:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 22:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 22:23:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2003 22:22:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:22:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo pilot from 1030 WBZ again(?) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 960 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics After about a year of mono broadcasting, Boston's 1030 WBZ is apparently transmitting an AM Stereo signal again... but with no true stereo sound to be heard. It was just reported on a radio message board that in addition to two Boston FM stations who played the Beatles' new "Let It Be-Naked" album on the air today, "news/talk WBZ (1030) also ran it ... and although WBZ's stereo pilot was on, the entire album was broadcast in mono." I haven't tuned in WBZ via skywave here in NJ tonight, but the last time they were found to be transmitting an AM Stereo signal, it was coming from their backup transmitter and did contain full Stereo separation during the IDs, sounders, commercials, and bumper music. Hearing the Beatles in separation-less stereo on WBZ was not as bad, though, as Oldies station 103.3 WODS, which broadcast the first seven songs with audio in the right channel only, until a listener called and complained about the problem. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Nov 14 14:49:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73296 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 22:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 22:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 22:49:48 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2003111422251001100rch5qe>; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:25:10 +0000 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo pilot from 1030 WBZ again(?) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:25:08 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c3aafe$2c960470$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal From: "Jeff Lehmann" X-Originating-IP: 204.127.202.55 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn I guess it was just a one time thing. I'm well within WBZ's range, and they're not transmitting an AM Stereo signal. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 5:23 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo pilot from 1030 WBZ again(?) After about a year of mono broadcasting, Boston's 1030 WBZ is apparently transmitting an AM Stereo signal again... but with no true stereo sound to be heard. It was just reported on a radio message board that in addition to two Boston FM stations who played the Beatles' new "Let It Be-Naked" album on the air today, "news/talk WBZ (1030) also ran it ... and although WBZ's stereo pilot was on, the entire album was broadcast in mono." I haven't tuned in WBZ via skywave here in NJ tonight, but the last time they were found to be transmitting an AM Stereo signal, it was coming from their backup transmitter and did contain full Stereo separation during the IDs, sounders, commercials, and bumper music. Hearing the Beatles in separation-less stereo on WBZ was not as bad, though, as Oldies station 103.3 WODS, which broadcast the first seven songs with audio in the right channel only, until a listener called and complained about the problem. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Nov 14 15:59:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2396 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2003 23:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2003 23:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.9) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2003 23:59:54 -0000 Received: from logs-tn.proxy.aol.com (logs-tn.proxy.aol.com [152.163.245.15]) by rly-ip05.mx.aol.com (v95.1) with ESMTP id RELAYIN6-73fb5657a18c; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:30:02 -0400 Received: from ibm (AC9E58D9.ipt.aol.com [172.158.88.217]) by logs-tn.proxy.aol.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hAENQBkn136256 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:26:11 GMT Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:26:11 GMT Message-ID: <000101c3ab05$d9dc8580$d9589eac@aoldsl.net> To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Apparently-From: DodgeRamTrucker@aol.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.245.15 From: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote on 11/14/03 0:22: >Correct. It does NOT look good. If WE want AM stereo, it is up to US to ma= ke sure that's possible.=20 It isn't just AM Stereo, but Hi-Fi audio on AM Period. I could not tell you= how many people have been astounded by the sound of my Part 15 station. Th= ey all ask the same guestion: Why don't the commercial AM and FMs sound thi= s good? Kevin Remember: Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get y= ou. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 16:08:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1544 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 00:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 00:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 00:08:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 00:08:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:08:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo pilot from 1030 WBZ again(?) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c3aafe$2c960470$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 650 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I guess it was just a one time thing. I'm well within WBZ's range, > and they're not transmitting an AM Stereo signal. Maybe a sympathetic engineer thought it would be a nice touch to broadcast the music in Stereo, but somebody at the studio end had the CD player switched to mono. By the way, in the latest Arbitron rating trends this week, 1030 WBZ is yet another #1-rated major-market AM station. The Boston ratings also include two AM Stereo music stations -- 1090 WILD with an Urban AC format, and 740 WJIB, which is one of the few Beautiful Music/Easy Listening stations left in the USA, and perhaps the only one on the AM band(?). From stodd@vippn.com Fri Nov 14 16:52:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25503 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 00:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 00:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 00:52:21 -0000 Message-ID: <002b01c3ab12$d92ef480$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031114163358.80955.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: AM Stereo Help Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:53:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If it would fit the opening, perhaps he needs to go to a salvage yard to pick up an older radio. Aside from that, he may need to be more persistent with the folks at Chrysler. Too bad they're not still under Lee Iacocca. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > --- Alan Matthews wrote: > > > > Hi Kevin, > > I recently traded in my 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo on a 2004 > > Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited. > > I cannot stand to > > listen to this poor excuse for a radio! From stodd@vippn.com Fri Nov 14 16:54:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46220 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 00:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 00:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 00:54:19 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c3ab13$20a63e40$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031114163358.80955.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: AM Stereo Help Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:55:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude One other thought- I wonder if that guy on ebay is still selling those radios with the three band EQ and if they'll fit the new Jeeps? I believe his seller name is Tauk. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > --- Alan Matthews wrote: > > The radio in the new Jeep SUCKS! BAD! > > The AM is extremely muffled. From stodd@vippn.com Fri Nov 14 16:57:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59290 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 00:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 00:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 00:57:48 -0000 Message-ID: <003701c3ab13$9c55c1a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:58:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Is there something wrong with that site? All I'm getting is a directory with blank files. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" > To save you some time designing an AM band synth you may wish to check > out Freddo's Dutch site. > > http://www.freddospage.nl/ > > If you navigate his site you'll see the Philips TSA5511 PLL and PIC > controller design. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 17:02:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30347 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 01:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 01:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 01:02:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 01:02:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:02:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000101c3ab05$d9dc8580$d9589eac@aoldsl.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 658 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > Amy Mousie wrote on 11/14/03 0:22: > >Correct. It does NOT look good. If WE want AM stereo, it is up to US to make sure that's possible. > > It isn't just AM Stereo, but Hi-Fi audio on AM Period. I could not tell you how many people have been astounded by the sound of my Part 15 station. They all ask the same guestion: Why don't the commercial AM and FMs sound this good? The introduction of "transistor" radios (it isn't the transistor's fault) over 40 years ago, flooding the market with cheap merchandise, is largely responsible for this. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 18:04:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46152 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 02:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 02:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 02:04:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 02:04:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:04:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Digest Number 947 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1335 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.72 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The introduction of "transistor" radios (it isn't the transistor's > fault) over 40 years ago, flooding the market with cheap > merchandise, is largely responsible for this. Well.... there are those who would point to the "All-American Five" vacuum-tube radio design, which eliminated the power transformer and tuned-RF front end to cut costs. Properly executed, an All-American Five radio can still have very good performance, but it was really one of the larger steps towards "cheapening-out" in order to deliver a high volume of inexpensive radios to consumers -- and one that the radio manufacturers stuck with until vacuum-tube radios faded out of existence. And the transformerless design continued well into the solid-state era, too; I have a GE clock radio from the '70s which has the radio circuit board and clock motor wired in series with a large wire-wound resistor, which simply (and very inefficiently) "burns off" the extra line voltage, without needing a transformer. Alas, "cheapening-out" has become universal... ever notice that computer keyboard cables aren't coiled anymore? Or that consumer- grade stereo systems don't ever have a Balance control anymore? Or that most cars don't have a keyhole in the passenger-side door anymore? Or that they don't play music in elevators anymore? Etc... From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Nov 14 18:31:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17185 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 02:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 02:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 02:31:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 02:31:41 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50741 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 02:18:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 02:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 02:18:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 02:18:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:18:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1038 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Nov 2003 02:31:41 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.67 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: > > > > It isn't just AM Stereo, but Hi-Fi audio on AM Period. I could not > > tell you how many people have been astounded by the sound of my > > Part 15 station. They all ask the same guestion: Why don't the > > commercial AM and FMs sound this good? > > The introduction of "transistor" radios (it isn't the transistor's > fault) over 40 years ago, flooding the market with cheap > merchandise, is largely responsible for this. It has little to do with the introduction of "transistor" radios, people were complaining in the 1930's that the market was being flooded with cheap, narrow band radios, seems there is little new under the sun. On the other hand, the broadcast scene has changed over the years so that today I imagine there is little advantage for a broadcaster to put out a Hi-Fi signal, in fact just the opposite appears to be the case. John From bratina501@msn.com Fri Nov 14 19:34:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23078 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 03:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 03:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 03:33:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 03:33:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 03:33:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT Good DX tonight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1ad.1c3d1d6a.2ce5c3dc@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 782 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.64 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > That's KPNW in Eugene, OR on 1120; 50 kW DA-1 to protect St. Louis on 1120 at > night, and 1110 in Bend, OR at all hours. > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > > Wow a station on 1120 from my area! I have heard KMOX one night using a Radioshack 12-903 connected to a cold water pipe ground and a 20 foot long wire antenna. And KPNW 1120 was one of the stations I had to null out. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 21:35:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30620 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 05:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 05:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 05:35:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 05:35:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 05:35:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Digest Number 947 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1411 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.93 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > The introduction of "transistor" radios (it isn't the transistor's > > fault) over 40 years ago, flooding the market with cheap > > merchandise, is largely responsible for this. > > Well.... there are those who would point to the "All-American Five" > vacuum-tube radio design, which eliminated the power transformer and > tuned-RF front end to cut costs. Keep in mind that up until the mid 1930s, most radios were battery- powered, since power-plant-fed AC electricity was still largely uncommon. > Properly executed, an All-American Five radio can still have very > good performance, but it was really one of the larger steps towards > "cheapening-out" in order to deliver a high volume of inexpensive > radios to consumers -- and one that the radio manufacturers stuck > with until vacuum-tube radios faded out of existence. The AA5 was one of the first radio designs (introduced in the early- mid 1930s) that was designed from already-existing common, low-cost and standardized parts, making radios affordable at a time when most radios were very expensive-- A typical floor console radio cost about a third the cost of a Ford car of the same period. The AA5 design lived on for at least 30 years, and is still today an easy, relatively-cheap tube radio project that anyone can find online. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 21:49:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68130 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 05:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 05:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 05:49:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 05:48:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 05:48:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 947 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1895 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.68 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > > wrote: > > > > > > It isn't just AM Stereo, but Hi-Fi audio on AM Period. I could not > > > tell you how many people have been astounded by the sound of my > > > Part 15 station. They all ask the same guestion: Why don't the > > > commercial AM and FMs sound this good? > > > > The introduction of "transistor" radios (it isn't the transistor's > > fault) over 40 years ago, flooding the market with cheap > > merchandise, is largely responsible for this. > > It has little to do with the introduction of "transistor" radios, > people were complaining in the 1930's that the market was being > flooded with cheap, narrow band radios, seems there is little new > under the sun. On the other hand, the broadcast scene has changed > over the years so that today I imagine there is little advantage for a > broadcaster to put out a Hi-Fi signal, in fact just the opposite > appears to be the case. What actually speaks well for 1930s radios, is that even these cheap "narrowband" radios are actually far better than most of the "decent" AM tuners of today (except for the REAL hyi-fi AM radios, like most AM stereo radios). The REAL complaint with these radios from the 1930s is that they were indeed shoddily contructed, even having caused electrical fires. That was in a day whem there were NO safety standards for electrical appliances. As for putting out a hi-fi sigfnal today, this seems at best to be a labor of love, and onyone who tries, should be commended for keeping quality broadcasts. I wish the REST of the industry felt that way. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (In the mood for some feta cheese rigfht now, and none in the house. :P ) From malm@bis.midco.net Fri Nov 14 22:39:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: malm@bis.midco.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72651 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 06:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 06:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 06:39:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 06:39:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:39:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c3ab13$9c55c1a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 550 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "n0faz" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=165690761 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0faz Same here, sounded kind of interesting too! Mark --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Is there something wrong with that site? All I'm getting is a directory > with blank files. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip de Cadenet" > > > To save you some time designing an AM band synth you may wish to check > > out Freddo's Dutch site. > > > > http://www.freddospage.nl/ > > > > If you navigate his site you'll see the Philips TSA5511 PLL and PIC > > controller design. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sat Nov 15 02:44:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7765 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 10:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 10:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.174) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 10:44:16 -0000 Received: from user-2381.bhm23.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.137.77] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AKxuZ-0004IJ-Fz for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:44:15 +0000 Message-ID: <$NqyDiA7Mgt$EwqD@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:43:07 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hi-Fi AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Originating-IP: 195.92.195.174 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Possum Hunter said: It isn't just AM Stereo, but Hi-Fi audio on AM Period. I could not tell you how many people have been astounded by the sound of my Part 15 station. They all ask the same question: Why don't the commercial AM and FMs sound this good? And Phil replies: Could it have something to do with their NRSC filtering? Just a thought. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sat Nov 15 02:59:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32293 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 10:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 10:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.174) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 10:59:40 -0000 Received: from user-2381.bhm23.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.137.77] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AKy9T-0000Al-8y for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:59:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:58:40 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Freddo's site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Originating-IP: 195.92.195.174 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Try again, it does work: http://www.freddospage.nl/ -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 03:05:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48919 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 11:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 11:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 11:05:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 11:05:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:05:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hi-Fi AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <$NqyDiA7Mgt$EwqD@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 590 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Possum Hunter said: > > It isn't just AM Stereo, but Hi-Fi audio on AM Period. I could not tell > you how many people have been astounded by the sound of my Part 15 > station. They all ask the same question: Why don't the commercial AM and > FMs sound this good? > > And Phil replies: > > Could it have something to do with their NRSC filtering? > > Just a thought. It would be nice if radios here lived UP to the NRSC standards! http://www.nrscstandards.org/nrscstandard.asp Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 06:23:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29756 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 14:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 14:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 14:23:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20031115142347.17980.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:23:47 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:23:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 947 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > The introduction of "transistor" radios (it isn't > the transistor's > > fault) over 40 years ago, flooding the market with > cheap > > merchandise, is largely responsible for this. > > Well.... there are those who would point to the > "All-American Five" > vacuum-tube radio design, which eliminated the power > transformer and > tuned-RF front end to cut costs. I just fixed an AA5 RCA clock radio. It had been dropped and discarded. The circuit board had a crack where the tuning capacitor connects. Sounds good and quite sensitive. > Properly executed, an All-American Five radio can > still have very > good performance, but it was really one of the > larger steps towards > "cheapening-out" in order to deliver a high volume > of inexpensive > radios to consumers -- and one that the radio > manufacturers stuck > with until vacuum-tube radios faded out of > existence. I have a Zenith "All American 6" table radio. Tuned RF stage, sounds great and is very sensitive. > And the transformerless design continued well into > the solid-state > era, too; I have a GE clock radio from the '70s > which has the radio > circuit board and clock motor wired in series with a > large wire-wound > resistor, which simply (and very inefficiently) > "burns off" the extra > line voltage, without needing a transformer. Zenith did this with some 4 transistor radios. VERRRY wide, good audio , pretty good sensitivity. But it's a very cheap radio. > Alas, "cheapening-out" has become universal... ever > notice that > computer keyboard cables aren't coiled anymore? Or > that consumer- > grade stereo systems don't ever have a Balance > control anymore? > Or that most cars don't have a keyhole in the > passenger-side door > anymore? Or that they don't play music in elevators > anymore? Etc... And the CRT's in TV sets are so cheap. If you get 2 or 3 years... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 06:29:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96845 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 14:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 14:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 14:29:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20031115142934.93700.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:29:34 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:29:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi-Fi AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <$NqyDiA7Mgt$EwqD@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Possum Hunter said: > > It isn't just AM Stereo, but Hi-Fi audio on AM > Period. I could not tell > you how many people have been astounded by the sound > of my Part 15 > station. They all ask the same question: Why don't > the commercial AM and > FMs sound this good? > > And Phil replies: > > Could it have something to do with their NRSC > filtering? > > Just a thought. > -- > Philip de Cadenet ***** N O ***** Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Nov 15 07:01:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15027 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 15:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 15:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 15:01:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 07:01:04 -0800 Received: from 172.168.168.4 by bay7-dav28.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:01:04 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <$NqyDiA7Mgt$EwqD@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi-Fi AM Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:55:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2003 15:01:04.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A9E3F60:01C3AB89] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Could it have something to do with their NRSC filtering? NRSC has nothing to do with the poor audio on the FM bands! When NRSC first hit, I heard many engineers gripe that they would have to lower bandwidth. They all bitched about going from broadcasting high bandwidth audio to narrow bandwidth radios, to now broadcasting low bandwidth audio to high bandwidth radios. This was just a lame excuse not to go along with NRSC. My answer was "What sounds better, 15kHz audio into a 3kHz wide radio, or 10kHz audio into a 10kHz radio?" The rotten sound quality of broadcast radio comes from cheap owners running flat modulator tubes, cheap and / or worn out transmitters, Poorly tuned DA arrays, poor STLs, bad audio processing, and bad audio chains. Even on a portable Short Wave radio such as my Grundig YB-400PE, my part 15 sounds MUCH better than anything on the air in this market, AM or FM. That is a rotten shame. Once upon a time, I had several AMs sounding better than any FM. For astounding audio on AM, all I have to do is fire up my RCA BTA1R1, but even my Zenith Phonocaster sounds better than any of my local AMs. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Nov 15 07:11:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76190 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 15:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 15:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.121) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 15:11:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 07:11:44 -0800 Received: from 172.168.168.4 by bay7-dav17.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:11:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hi-Fi AM Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:05:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2003 15:11:44.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7D44640:01C3AB8A] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.121 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > It would be nice if radios here lived UP to the NRSC standards! As far as I know, the only home radios that comply with NRSC-3 are the GE Superadio and the Fanfare. What a shame, I have several 1930s vintage radios that can pass meet and beat the NRSC-3 Spec. Kevin From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Nov 15 07:54:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46483 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 15:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 15:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 15:54:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 15:54:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:54:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hi-Fi AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <$NqyDiA7Mgt$EwqD@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 288 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Possum Hunter said: > > It isn't just AM Stereo, but Hi-Fi audio on AM Period. I could not tell > you how many people have been astounded by the sound of my Part 15 > station. Part 15 station ?? From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Nov 15 08:12:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6473 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 16:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 16:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.119) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 16:12:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:12:54 -0800 Received: from 172.168.168.4 by bay7-dav15.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:12:53 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hi-Fi AM Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:06:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2003 16:12:54.0114 (UTC) FILETIME=[5336AC20:01C3AB93] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.119 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave wrote: > Part 15 station ?? A part 15 station is a flea powered unlicensed station that complies with the FCC rules and regulations I have copied and pasted below. Kevin http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/get-cfr.cgi?TITLE=47&PART=15&SECTION=219&YEAR=2000&TYPE=TEXT TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION CHAPTER I--FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION PART 15--RADIO FREQUENCY DEVICES--Table of Contents Subpart C--Intentional Radiators Sec. 15.219 Operation in the band 510-1705 kHz. (a) The total input power to the final radio frequency stage (exclusive of filament or heater power) shall not exceed 100 milliwatts. (b) The total length of the transmission line, antenna and ground lead (if used) shall not exceed 3 meters. (c) All emissions below 510 kHz or above 1705 kHz shall be attenuated at least 20 dB below the level of the unmodulated carrier. Determination of compliance with the 20 dB attenuation specification may be based on measurements at the intentional radiator's antenna output terminal unless the intentional radiator uses a permanently attached antenna, in which case compliance shall be deomonstrated by measuring the radiated emissions. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 08:54:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33620 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 16:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 16:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 16:54:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20031115165435.47228.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:54:35 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:54:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi-Fi AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.87 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Philip de Cadenet wrote: > > Could it have something to do with their NRSC > filtering? > > NRSC has nothing to do with the poor audio on the FM > bands! > > When NRSC first hit, I heard many engineers gripe > that they would have to > lower bandwidth. They all bitched about going from > broadcasting high > bandwidth audio to narrow bandwidth radios, to now > broadcasting low > bandwidth audio to high bandwidth radios. This was > just a lame excuse not to > go along with NRSC. My answer was "What sounds > better, 15kHz audio into a > 3kHz wide radio, or 10kHz audio into a 10kHz radio?" > > The rotten sound quality of broadcast radio comes > from cheap owners running > flat modulator tubes, cheap and / or worn out > transmitters, Poorly tuned DA > arrays, poor STLs, bad audio processing, and bad > audio chains. > > Even on a portable Short Wave radio such as my > Grundig YB-400PE, my part 15 > sounds MUCH better than anything on the air in this > market, AM or FM. That > is a rotten shame. Once upon a time, I had several > AMs sounding better than > any FM. For astounding audio on AM, all I have to do > is fire up my RCA > BTA1R1, but even my Zenith Phonocaster sounds better > than any of my local > AMs. > Kevin ABSOLUTELY true. At WKDK ( another 1240, BTW) the RCA BTA 1R2 sounds great, as does the original Raytheon RA-250, a 250 watter. No flat tubes, not overly processsed with the 9100B. And we DO play music. And SC Kevin, JUST when are you coming down to visit? Powell ( looking NW and crossing arms) ];) ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Nov 15 09:06:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97421 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 17:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 17:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.117) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 17:06:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:06:03 -0800 Received: from 172.168.168.4 by bay7-dav13.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:06:02 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031115165435.47228.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi-Fi AM Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:59:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2003 17:06:03.0127 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0037070:01C3AB9A] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > And SC Kevin, JUST when are you coming down to visit? Will the Nickel tours be open this weekend? Email me the phone number off list and I will ring you and may come down today or tomorrow. Kevin From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 09:14:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73928 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 17:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 17:14:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 17:14:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20031115171413.67063.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:14:13 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:14:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi-Fi AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031115142934.93700.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus What is NRSC? --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Philip de Cadenet > wrote: > > Possum Hunter said: > > > > It isn't just AM Stereo, but Hi-Fi audio on AM > > Period. I could not tell > > you how many people have been astounded by the > sound > > of my Part 15 > > station. They all ask the same question: Why don't > > the commercial AM and > > FMs sound this good? > > > > And Phil replies: > > > > Could it have something to do with their NRSC > > filtering? > > > > Just a thought. > > -- > > Philip de Cadenet > > > > ***** N O ***** > > > > > Powell > > ===== > powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 10:02:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38300 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 18:02:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 18:02:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 18:02:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 18:02:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:02:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hi-Fi AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 755 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet > wrote: > > Possum Hunter said: > > > > It isn't just AM Stereo, but Hi-Fi audio on AM Period. I could not > tell > > you how many people have been astounded by the sound of my Part 15 > > station. > > Part 15 station ?? Part 15 of Title 47 of the US Code of Federal Regulations, which allows for intentional and non-intentional radiators, including unlicensed very-low-power broadcasting on many parts of the RF spectrum. http://www.fcc.gov/oet/info/rules/part15_7-22-03.pdf Many countries have equivalent regulations, but not all are on par with the US' Part 15 regs. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 10:07:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39105 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 18:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 18:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 18:07:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 18:07:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:07:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi-Fi AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031115171413.67063.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 280 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.72 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > What is NRSC? National Radio Systems Committee, which sets the standards for radio broadcasting/reception (not the regs, the STANDARDS) in the US. http://www.nrscstandards.org Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 10:53:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48621 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 18:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 18:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 18:53:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 18:53:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:53:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hi-Fi AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 590 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.92 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Amy Mousie wrote: > > It would be nice if radios here lived UP to the NRSC standards! > > As far as I know, the only home radios that comply with NRSC-3 are the GE > Superadio and the Fanfare. What a shame, I have several 1930s vintage radios > that can pass meet and beat the NRSC-3 Spec. All I can think, is that the state of affairs of radio these days are what has led to IBOC-- The acceptance of crappy audio without not knowing any better. IBOC, forty years in the making! :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 11:04:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7620 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 19:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 19:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 19:04:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 19:04:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:04:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 947 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031115142347.17980.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1998 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.84 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > The introduction of "transistor" radios (it isn't > > the transistor's > > > fault) over 40 years ago, flooding the market with > > cheap > > > merchandise, is largely responsible for this. > > > > Well.... there are those who would point to the > > "All-American Five" > > vacuum-tube radio design, which eliminated the power > > transformer and > > tuned-RF front end to cut costs. > > > I just fixed an AA5 RCA clock radio. It had been > dropped and discarded. The circuit board had a crack > where the tuning capacitor connects. Sounds good and > quite sensitive. > > > > Properly executed, an All-American Five radio can > > still have very > > good performance, but it was really one of the > > larger steps towards > > "cheapening-out" in order to deliver a high volume > > of inexpensive > > radios to consumers -- and one that the radio > > manufacturers stuck > > with until vacuum-tube radios faded out of > > existence. > > I have a Zenith "All American 6" table radio. Tuned RF > stage, sounds great and is very sensitive. The AA5/AA6 designs were no performance slouches- I have a mid- late '40s Temple tabletop AM radio of the AA5 design- One of, if not THE most sensitive radios I have ever owned, with great audio that could make you cry-- despite needing to turn up the volume, to overcome a loose speaker edge. Only thing wrong with it now, other than the speaker, is that the tuning cord needs to be fixed. Instead of a ferrite-core antenna, it's a largish weaved-loop antenna covering most of the back of the radio. It screams performance, really. Solid-state can do the job, and we know it, but gone are the days of truly good radios at affordable prices. "Quality" has been squeezed out of the mainstream, and if you want it, you either make your own or pay for it, such as for Fanfare's tuner. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 11:23:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84080 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 19:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 19:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 19:23:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20031115192332.32052.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:23:32 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:23:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: cheap radio thread To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > The AA5/AA6 designs were no performance slouches- I > have a mid- > late '40s Temple tabletop AM radio of the AA5 > design- One of, if not > THE most sensitive radios I have ever owned, with > great audio that > could make you cry-- despite needing to turn up the > volume, to > overcome a loose speaker edge. Only thing wrong with > it now, other > than the speaker, is that the tuning cord needs to > be fixed. That's not too hard to fix. Glue works well on speakers. > Instead of a ferrite-core antenna, it's a largish > weaved-loop antenna > covering most of the back of the radio. It screams > performance, > really. I have some Philco radios where the loop is glued to the inside of the bakelite. My Philco 46-1209 console has a LARGE partially rotatable loop in the speaker box part of the console.... > Solid-state can do the job, and we know it, but gone > are the days of > truly good radios at affordable prices. "Quality" > has been squeezed > out of the mainstream, and if you want it, you > either make your own > or pay for it, such as for Fanfare's tuner. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I got a cheap Sony. Sara at transistor.org said it was decent and it actually is. Right at $10 and it tunes much easier than the $5 Lennoxx. Fairly hot and good audio. At the moment at sonystyle.com they were offering free shipping. I expect with 2 AA's the battery life is good. Oh, the model is ICF-S10MK2 Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 13:21:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44814 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 21:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 21:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 21:21:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20031115212133.80724.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:21:33 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:21:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: AM Stereo in 2004 Jeep To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Originating-IP: 216.136.172.143 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio One of our Team wrote: "I recently traded in my 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo on a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited." First of all, congratulations on buying an American-made vehicle. 2nd of all, all of the stereo AMS/FMS/CD/Cassette radios from Chrysler since 1999 have had the treble cut-down quite a bit on AM and the bandwidth reduced from its previous superb level. The 2000-2003 radios have more of a bassy-sound than the 96-99, but still very little treble. You do get AMS, but it's nowhere as great as it was back in the Mid-90's Chryslers when they hit their peak for AM Steeo quality. Your new Jeep probably has the rounded corner, 4 screw radio mounting, so you can't easily go back and intall one of the old 2-tab Chrysler radios. Your best bet would be to add a MetroSound AM Stereo adapter to get decent bandwidth sound. The CD and cassette on those radios are pretty decent, so I would try using a 'walkman/MD/CD' Cassette adapter and plug the cord into the output of the MetroSound for best sound quality. Unfortuantely, the GM Delco AM stereo radios are just a 1/4" too big to cut-down and replace in the smaller Chrysler radio openings. !! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Nov 15 13:53:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64945 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 21:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 21:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 21:53:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 21:53:51 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80151 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 20:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 20:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 20:04:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 20:04:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:04:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hi-Fi AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 461 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Nov 2003 21:53:51 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.66 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > All I can think, is that the state of affairs of radio these days are > what has led to IBOC-- The acceptance of crappy audio without not > knowing any better. IBOC, forty years in the making! :P It's not necessarily a matter of not knowing better audio, it is a matter of what the owners/management think will bring in the most dollars, and putting the effort there. John From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 14:12:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66815 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 22:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 22:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 22:12:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20031115221238.56529.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:12:38 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:12:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hi-Fi AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > > wrote: > > > > All I can think, is that the state of affairs of > radio these days are > > what has led to IBOC-- The acceptance of crappy > audio without not > > knowing any better. IBOC, forty years in the > making! :P > > It's not necessarily a matter of not knowing better > audio, it is a > matter of what the owners/management think will > bring in the most > dollars, and putting the effort there. > John That is not true, either, in a lot of cases. Some are too cheap and OR don't care. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 15:11:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56635 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 23:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 23:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 23:11:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 23:11:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:11:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Best Frequency Response?? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 134 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.81 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Is there any portable (or personal radio) with a better high-end frequency response than the Sony SRF-A100 (at 12.5khz??) --Tony S. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 15:55:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43084 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 23:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 23:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 23:54:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 23:54:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:54:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Best Frequency Response?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 287 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > Is there any portable (or personal radio) with a better high-end > frequency response than the Sony SRF-A100 (at 12.5khz??) Actually, I should elaborate....I mean best portable/personal AM STEREO radio..The GE SR3 is probably tops on the list, but it's not Stereo obviously. --ts From e92fmjamz@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 16:25:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: e92fmjamz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55672 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 00:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 00:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14003.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.94) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 00:25:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20031116002529.64545.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.26.192.100] by web14003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:25:29 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:25:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Best Frequency Response?? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ernest Jones X-Originating-IP: 216.136.175.94 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24963319 X-Yahoo-Profile: e92fmjamz well..from what I gather from his question, stereo dosen't really matter to him...the GE SRIII has the bandwidth of a barn door in wide setting...sounds great on stations who don't use the NRSC filtering --- Anthony wrote: > > Is there any portable (or personal radio) with a > better high-end > > frequency response than the Sony SRF-A100 (at > 12.5khz??) > > Actually, I should elaborate....I mean best > portable/personal > AM STEREO radio..The GE SR3 is probably tops on the > list, but it's > not Stereo obviously. > > --ts > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Nov 15 16:36:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65212 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 00:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 00:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.116) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 00:36:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:36:42 -0800 Received: from 172.137.71.205 by bay7-dav12.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:36:42 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best Frequency Response?? Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:30:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2003 00:36:42.0977 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5051D10:01C3ABD9] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Anthony wrote: > Is there any portable (or personal radio) with a better high-end frequency response than the Sony SRF-A100 (at 12.5khz??) Why do you want better than the 12.5 KHz of the Sony? The best bandwidth that is legal to broadcast in North America is 10KHz. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 16:52:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72221 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 00:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 00:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 00:52:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20031116005207.18584.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.218.139] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:52:07 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:52:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Best Frequency Response?? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031116002529.64545.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.87 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Ernest Jones wrote: > well..from what I gather from his question, stereo > dosen't really matter to him...the GE SRIII has the > bandwidth of a barn door in wide setting...sounds > great on stations who don't use the NRSC filtering and those that do. For the best overall sound and amazing.....the GE P780. As hot as the SR series, and bass response that makes some consoles blush, and battery life of thousands of hours on 6 D cells. late 50's. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 17:06:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52165 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 01:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 01:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 01:06:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 01:06:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:06:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo in 2004 Jeep Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031115212133.80724.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 684 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > One of our Team wrote: "I recently traded in my 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo > on a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited." > > First of all, congratulations on buying an American-made vehicle. Actually, I think most Chryslers are nowadays made in Canada, and the company is no longer an American brand, but German, now that it's owned by DaimlerChrysler, aka Mercedes-Benz. If you want an American-made automobile these days, buy Japanese- Most of the Japanese cars sold in America are made in America, now. (Sorry for the OT nitpick.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (The ever-grumpy mouse- No feta, still.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 17:13:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17879 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 01:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 01:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 01:13:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 01:13:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:13:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hi-Fi AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 640 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > > > All I can think, is that the state of affairs of radio these days are > > what has led to IBOC-- The acceptance of crappy audio without not > > knowing any better. IBOC, forty years in the making! :P > > It's not necessarily a matter of not knowing better audio, it is a > matter of what the owners/management think will bring in the most > dollars, and putting the effort there. Not really. You CAN do quality cheaply, it's that they don't want to do it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 17:24:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13961 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 01:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 01:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 01:24:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 01:24:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:24:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Best Frequency Response?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031116005207.18584.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 800 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > --- Ernest Jones wrote: > > well..from what I gather from his question, stereo > > dosen't really matter to him... No...Stereo does matter... > For the best overall sound and > amazing.....the GE P780. As hot as the SR series, and > bass response that makes some consoles blush, and > battery life of thousands of hours on 6 D cells. late > 50's. I got lucky and bought an almost perfect condition one for $15 at a second hand store back when I used to live in Gainesville, Fla. in 1997....Didn't even know what I had until someone told me the P780 was the best of the best, and I looked it up on the Web, and sure enough, the picture matched, and it was the one I already had....And all I wanted was a radio that had the CONELRAD triangles on 640 and 1240!! -tony s. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 17:28:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84821 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 01:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 01:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 01:28:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 01:28:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:28:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best Frequency Response?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 420 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.73 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > Why do you want better than the 12.5 KHz of the Sony? The best > bandwidth > that is legal to broadcast in North America is 10KHz. Well, there's a difference between that which is 'legal to broadcast' and that which some stations will put on the air, regardless of what's legal or not =)...And I plan on eventually travelling to Japan, where I understand some AM Stereo stations put out 13khz wide audio. --ts From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Nov 15 17:41:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64861 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 01:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 01:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 01:41:18 -0000 Received: from localhost (d143-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.175]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hAG1fHA95721 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:41:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:40:51 -0700 Subject: GE P780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1068943930.1620.72226.m14@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Originating-IP: 204.62.193.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla I can back Powell up on this because I turned him on to this radio. This radio sounds more than phenomenal and will DX some. It sounds better than the Bose Wave Radio on AM by a mile. In my opinion this is the best sounding AM radio that will DX a little that I have ever seen. Without a doubt the GE P780 is the best AM portable. Not bad for ancient technology. Kevin On Saturday, November 15, 2003, at 05:52 PM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 25 > Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:52:07 -0800 (PST) > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > Subject: Re: Re: Best Frequency Response?? > > > --- Ernest Jones wrote: >> well..from what I gather from his question, stereo >> dosen't really matter to him...the GE SRIII has the >> bandwidth of a barn door in wide setting...sounds >> great on stations who don't use the NRSC filtering > > > and those that do. For the best overall sound and > amazing.....the GE P780. As hot as the SR series, and > bass response that makes some consoles blush, and > battery life of thousands of hours on 6 D cells. late > 50's. > > Powell > > ===== > powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 17:44:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49989 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 01:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 01:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 01:44:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 01:44:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:44:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: GE P780 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 230 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.64 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > It sounds better > than the Bose Wave Radio on AM by a mile. Then again, from what I understand, doesn't ANYTHING sound better than a Bose Wave Radio on AM (including Radio Shack's "Build Your Own Crystal Radio Set?) --ts From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Nov 15 17:50:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17772 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 01:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 01:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 01:50:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:50:38 -0800 Received: from 172.137.71.205 by bay7-dav50.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:50:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: GE P780 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:44:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2003 01:50:38.0211 (UTC) FILETIME=[08A01D30:01C3ABE4] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Anthony wrote: > Then again, from what I understand, doesn't ANYTHING sound better than a Bose Wave Radio on AM I have the Zenith Z213B Wave radio copy cat, and it has a pretty decent AM tuner in it. Kevin From steveslohb@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 18:08:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: steveslohb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52135 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 02:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 02:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 02:08:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 02:08:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:08:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: No Stereo at 'KB? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 271 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "steveslohb" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119851151 X-Yahoo-Profile: steveslohb As of 9 PM EST, I am not seeing the stereo pilot on 1520 here in Montreal. Mind you, the stereo never sounded very stereo to me before, but just seeing the little "ST" light up on the car radio was cool. Let me guess...another station adding their IBOC system. Steve From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 18:17:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36943 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 02:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 02:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 02:17:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 02:17:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:17:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo in 2004 Jeep Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Actually, I think most Chryslers are nowadays made in Canada, I know the original body style of the Grand Cherokee was made in the USA, and I don't think they've moved the production anywhere else since then. But the question here is the radio, not the vehicle itself. I know Chrysler used to make all their radios in Huntsville, Alabama, but for the past decade or so they've been using a lot of radios built by Mitsubishi or Alpine in Japan. From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Nov 15 18:31:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84377 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 02:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 02:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.21) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 02:31:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:31:10 -0800 Received: from 172.137.71.205 by bay7-dav49.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:31:09 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best Frequency Response?? Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:24:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2003 02:31:10.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[B23986B0:01C3ABE9] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Anthony wrote: > Well, there's a difference between that which is 'legal to broadcast' and that which some stations will put on the air, regardless of what's legal or not Very true, and some of these stations sound so good becuase the owner is so much of a cheapscate that they wouldn't buy NRSC filters in the early '90s. I know of one in central florida that sounds wonderful using the old Gates Level Devil driving an old 1930s vintage 5KW Western Electric transmitter. It puts out a big boomy signal that sounds like it is a mile wide! Kevin From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Nov 15 18:55:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83218 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 02:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 02:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 02:55:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 02:55:07 -0000 Date: 16 Nov 2003 02:55:05 -0000 Message-ID: <1068951305.147374.59603.w14@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.79 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /BTA1R.mp3 Uploaded by : ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Description : RCA BTA-1R1 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/BTA1R.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, ICURAPossum_Hunter2 From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Nov 15 19:05:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53940 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 03:05:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 03:05:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.112) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 03:05:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:05:26 -0800 Received: from 172.137.71.205 by bay7-dav8.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:05:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <1068951305.147374.59603.w14@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:59:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2003 03:05:26.0689 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BF78110:01C3ABEE] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.112 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 After posting that rotten audio from WPJM a couple of weeks ago, I thought some would like to hear what a REAL transmitter sounds like. This is a RCA 6 channel board driving a BL-40 into a RCA BTA-1R1 driving 250 Watts into a resistive 50 Ohm dummy load. I used the same GE Superadio III to recieve the signal as I did in the WPJM clip. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 9:55 PM Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > group. > > File : /BTA1R.mp3 > Uploaded by : ICURAPossum_Hunter2 > Description : RCA BTA-1R1 > > You can access this file at the URL > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/BTA1R.mp3 > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files > > Regards, > > ICURAPossum_Hunter2 > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 19:22:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38329 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 03:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 03:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 03:22:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 03:22:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:22:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 472 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "steveslohb" wrote: > As of 9 PM EST, I am not seeing the stereo pilot on 1520 here in > Montreal. Mind you, the stereo never sounded very stereo to me > before, but just seeing the little "ST" light up on the car radio was > cool. Let me guess...another station adding their IBOC system. WWKB, Buffalo? They already have tested IBOC, and have been broadcasting for a few months without it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From steveslohb@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 19:32:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: steveslohb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26626 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 03:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 03:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 03:32:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 03:32:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:32:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 444 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "steveslohb" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119851151 X-Yahoo-Profile: steveslohb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > WWKB, Buffalo? They already have tested IBOC, and have been > broadcasting for a few months without it. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Yes. WWKB Buffalo. Do you mean a few months without IBOC or stereo? They have been in stereo every night I listened until tonight since the first time I noticed them in stereo last March while driving through South Carolina. Steve From fredymcc@digitel.net Sat Nov 15 21:55:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fredymcc@digitel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73012 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 05:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 05:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 05:55:29 -0000 Received: from dialup-67.72.135.162.dial1.sandiego1.level3.net ([67.72.135.162] helo=[67.72.136.16]) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ALFse-0004o9-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:55:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: fredymcc@digitel.net@mail.digitel.net Message-Id: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:56:46 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Best Frequency Response?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" From: "Fred Y. McCutcheon" X-Originating-IP: 207.217.120.74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=80587106 X-Yahoo-Profile: eighthmoon Kevin wrote: >Why do you want better than the 12.5 KHz of the Sony? The best bandwidth that is legal to broadcast in North America is 10KHz. as a response to Anthony who wrote: > Is there any portable (or personal radio) with a better high-end frequency response than the Sony SRF-A100 (at 12.5khz??) While the NRSC mask is usually thought to limit frequency bandwidth to 10kHz, in fact there is no limit on the actual broadcast bandwidth, only a limit on the power available at any given offset from the carrier. For example Stereo KABL in San Francisco area has well conditioned sidebands out to 18kHz, although it takes a very sensitive receiver to dig them out of the mud and reverse the attenuation to properly enjoy them. -- Fred McCutcheon From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 22:05:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50985 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 06:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 06:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 06:05:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 06:05:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:05:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Best Frequency Response?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1468 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.105 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Y. McCutcheon" wrote: > Kevin wrote: > >Why do you want better than the 12.5 KHz of the Sony? The best bandwidth > that is legal to broadcast in North America is 10KHz. > > as a response to Anthony who wrote: > > Is there any portable (or personal radio) with a better high-end frequency > response than the Sony SRF-A100 (at 12.5khz??) > > While the NRSC mask is usually thought to limit frequency bandwidth > to 10kHz, in fact there is no limit on the actual broadcast > bandwidth, only a limit on the power available at any given offset > from the carrier. For example Stereo KABL in San Francisco area has > well conditioned sidebands out to 18kHz, although it takes a very > sensitive receiver to dig them out of the mud and reverse the > attenuation to properly enjoy them. This is correct: The NRSC 10 kHz "limit" is really only flat out to 10 kHz, then starts rolling off GRADUALLY above that-- IBOC, for exampled, is actually COMPLIANT with the NRSC curve's limits at ~15 kHz from t5he carrier. It was never intended as a "brick wall", but does reduce interference in analog AM broadcasting. (It doesn't work as intended with IBOC, unfortunately.) The NRSC curve is the best solution for quality audio on the AM band, and I think it should be further embraced. It's even better than AMax, as far as I'm concerned, which rolls off at 7.5 kHz, rather than 10. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 00:42:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49810 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 08:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 08:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 08:42:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 08:42:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:42:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 941 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WWKB, Buffalo? They already have tested IBOC, and have been > broadcasting for a few months without it. Ah, no... it was neighboring 1530 WSAI that tested IBOC -- 1520 WWKB was the one getting blasted away by WSAI's digital hash, and since what goes around comes around, hopefully that experience will be enough for WWKB to not considering using IBOC. But I have also noticed that WWKB recently shut off their AM Stereo pilot. They did that once before, but a week or two later it came back on, even though I have never personally heard any true stereo separation from them since the days of their "Real Country" format years ago. Yesterday evening I also caught 710 WOR transmitting full-bandwidth (10 kHz) audio on their backup transmitter, and sounding just as good as they did long before they started using IBOC. WOR's old Continental does have some IPM (incidental phase modulation), but otherwise sounds very good. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 00:55:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61989 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 08:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 08:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 08:55:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 08:55:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:55:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Best Frequency Response?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1066 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.90 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The NRSC curve is the best solution for quality audio on the AM > band, and I think it should be further embraced. It's even better > than AMax, as far as I'm concerned, which rolls off at 7.5 kHz, > rather than 10. The AMAX receiver standard doesn't "roll off" at 7.5 kHz; it merely specifies 7.5 kHz as a MINIMUM frequency response for home and car radios, or 6.5 kHz for battery-powered portable radios. Aside from the notch filter at 10 kHz to cut out the adjacent carrier whistle, a receiver could have virtually unlimited bandwidth in "Wide" mode and still be fully AMAX compliant. More important than the absolute bandwidth specification, I think, is how the receiver's frequency response is shaped. For example, many vintage AM radios -- even though they may only offer a flat response up to 4 kHz or so -- have fantastic sound quality, because the response has a smooth and consistent roll-off to well beyond 10 kHz. This is perceived as a "warm" or "mellow" tone that many people find more pleasing than the harsh, sterile high end of FM. From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Nov 16 00:59:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68928 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 08:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 08:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 08:59:47 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031116085943.VUUL14590.fed1mtao07.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:59:43 -0500 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:01:32 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Best Frequency Response?? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <79072EC6-1813-11D8-B91A-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.124 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sunday, November 16, 2003, at 12:55 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > This is perceived as a "warm" or "mellow" tone that many people find > more pleasing than the harsh, sterile high end of FM. > Well, to be fair, badly engineered FM received on a badly designed FM receiver. FM can sound warm and mellow, especially from a good tube tuner. Richard Wagoner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Nov 16 04:32:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25195 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 12:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 12:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 12:32:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 12:32:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:32:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1332 4BU - DX AM Stereo Aircheck (380km) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 197 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.76 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Hi, I thought I'd test the DX capabilities of the ST-JX220A - 4BU came up pretty good I thought considering the distance! Enjoy! ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/4bu-380km-dx.mp3 From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 04:52:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56928 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 12:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 12:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 12:52:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20031116125222.30259.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 04:52:22 PST Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 04:52:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > After posting that rotten audio from WPJM a couple > of weeks ago, I thought > some would like to hear what a REAL transmitter > sounds like. This is a RCA 6 > channel board driving a BL-40 into a RCA BTA-1R1 > driving 250 Watts into a > resistive 50 Ohm dummy load. I used the same GE > Superadio III to recieve the > signal as I did in the WPJM clip. > Kevin Sounded really good, but since I am keeping myself warm with a BTA 1R2 this morning, I know how it sounds. What is a BL-40? Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From dougharding@mindspring.com Sun Nov 16 09:25:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8181 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 17:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 17:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 17:25:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 17:25:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:25:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Optimod AM 9100b in mint condition on ebay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 114 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding There is a mint like new Optimod AM 9100b on Ebay item 2572635803. It has two days to go. They are asking $2850. From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Nov 16 12:08:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7078 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 20:08:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 20:08:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 20:08:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:08:27 -0800 Received: from 172.145.10.62 by bay7-dav24.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:08:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031116125222.30259.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:07:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2003 20:08:27.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[65A111D0:01C3AC7D] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.81 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >What is a BL-40? The UREI BL40 Modulimiter is an AM audio processor made in the 1970s. They would "blow a hole in the dial" when compared to the typical audio chain of a 70s AM radio station, and it won many loudness wars for the stations that used it. The BL40 went by the wayside when the Optimod 9000 hit the airwaves. Kevin From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Nov 16 12:18:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46221 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 20:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 20:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 20:18:54 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 20:18:42 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21339 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 14:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 14:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 14:21:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 14:21:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:21:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best Frequency Response?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 636 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Nov 2003 20:18:40 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.103 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" < possumhunter@n...> wrote: > > Very true, and some of these stations sound so good becuase the owner is so > much of a cheapscate that they wouldn't buy NRSC filters in the early '90s. > I know of one in central florida that sounds wonderful using the old Gates > Level Devil driving an old 1930s vintage 5KW Western Electric transmitter. > It puts out a big boomy signal that sounds like it is a mile wide! Wow, cool, didn't those old Western Electric transmitters use the Doherty circuit? Where on earth do they find tubes for it, especially if they are cheapskates? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Nov 16 12:19:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4516 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 20:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 20:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 20:19:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 20:18:29 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68143 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 14:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 14:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 14:17:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 14:17:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:17:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Best Frequency Response?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <79072EC6-1813-11D8-B91A-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 527 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Nov 2003 20:18:28 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.106 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > On Sunday, November 16, 2003, at 12:55 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > > > This is perceived as a "warm" or "mellow" tone that many people find > > more pleasing than the harsh, sterile high end of FM. > > > Well, to be fair, badly engineered FM received on a badly designed FM > receiver. FM can sound warm and mellow, especially from a good tube > tuner. They can sound warm and mellow especially when the de emphasis is not very accurate. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Nov 16 12:20:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62033 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 20:20:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 20:20:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 20:20:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 20:18:51 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94042 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 14:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 14:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 14:26:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 14:26:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:26:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031116125222.30259.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 270 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.69 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Nov 2003 20:18:49 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.89 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" < w4opw@y...> wrote: > > Sounded really good, but since I am keeping myself > warm with a BTA 1R2 this morning, I know how it > sounds. What is a BL-40? IIRC it is a UREI processor/limiter gadget. John From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Nov 16 12:23:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81465 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 20:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 20:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 20:23:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (d12-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.44]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hAGKN6A40058 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:23:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:22:39 -0700 Subject: P780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1068973393.179.46794.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: <9FCFBFF0-1872-11D8-AE9D-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Originating-IP: 204.62.193.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla No need to look further. Just put batteries in the thing and play the hell out of it. I had to fix mine but it sure sounds good. Kevin On Sunday, November 16, 2003, at 02:03 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > >> For the best overall sound and >> amazing.....the GE P780. As hot as the SR series, and >> bass response that makes some consoles blush, and >> battery life of thousands of hours on 6 D cells. late >> 50's. > > I got lucky and bought an almost perfect condition one for $15 at a > second hand store back when I used to live in Gainesville, Fla. in > 1997....Didn't even know what I had until someone told me the P780 > was the best of the best, and I looked it up on the Web, and sure > enough, the picture matched, and it was the one I already had....And > all I wanted was a radio that had the CONELRAD triangles on 640 and > 1240!! > > -tony s. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 13:17:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45713 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 21:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 21:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 21:17:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 21:17:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:17:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Best Frequency Response?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 209 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.73 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Does anyone how high bandwidth wise the Sony SRF-A1 (multimode Walkman) goes up in "AM Stereo" mode? It's supposed to be less than the SRF-A100, but when I compare the two, my A1 sounds brighter. --Tony S. From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Nov 16 19:24:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99409 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2003 03:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2003 03:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2003 03:24:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:24:46 -0800 Received: from 172.158.210.193 by bay7-dav34.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 03:24:46 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best Frequency Response?? Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:24:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2003 03:24:46.0602 (UTC) FILETIME=[59BDEEA0:01C3ACBA] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.91 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 bta_50g wrote: > Wow, cool, didn't those old Western Electric transmitters use the Doherty circuit? Yes > > Where on earth do they find tubes for it, especially if they are cheapskates? If ever you need a rare tube, go to www.tubesandmore.com Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 19:28:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86994 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2003 03:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2003 03:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2003 03:28:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2003 03:28:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 03:28:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: cheap DVD player Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 877 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The proliferation of cheap electronics continues.... Sears is now selling an Apex DVD player for $29.99. I have an older version of the same model, and my only real complaint is that its processor is too slow... if you push a button on the remote, you might get a response 2 seconds later, and it takes time to "paint" the on-screen displays, just like an old 8088 computer. Also, the newer versions no longer have the ability to play Video CD (VCD) discs, because they didn't want to pay the MPEG licensing fee, or something like that. As a whole, it seems consumer electronics are getting cheaper and cheaper, but now Kenwood comes along and thinks we're going to pay $350 for an IBOC tuner module and then at least another $150 for the head unit to go along with it. Something tells me it won't be flying off the shelves, even if they get it into stores.... From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 20:32:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92633 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2003 04:31:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2003 04:31:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2003 04:31:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2003 04:31:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 04:31:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: cheap DVD player Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 760 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > displays, just like an old 8088 computer. Also, the newer versions > no longer have the ability to play Video CD (VCD) discs, because they > didn't want to pay the MPEG licensing fee, or something like that. VCD uses MPEG-1; DVD uses encrypted MPEG-2. > As a whole, it seems consumer electronics are getting cheaper and > cheaper, but now Kenwood comes along and thinks we're going to pay > $350 for an IBOC tuner module and then at least another $150 for the > head unit to go along with it. Something tells me it won't be flying > off the shelves, even if they get it into stores.... People are buying XM, which costs $199, plos subscription fees. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 20:41:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6525 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2003 04:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2003 04:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2003 04:41:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2003 04:41:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 04:41:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo CD Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 131 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Probably not what you were expecting, but interesting nonetheless: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2573208176 From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 22:48:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13766 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2003 06:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2003 06:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2003 06:48:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2003 06:48:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:48:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo CD Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 447 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Probably not what you were expecting, but interesting nonetheless: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2573208176 I've never heard their music but I have heard OF them. Anyone know how to make google not let any links referencing the band come up when I try to search for am stereo radio info without having to put the word radio in the search box? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 00:41:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57150 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2003 08:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2003 08:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2003 08:41:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2003 08:41:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:41:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: LOOP antennas Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031019042724.28938.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3289 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key What would be a good antenna for me to construct? My approximate listening location is 32 deg, 45 min, 30 sec N, 116 deg, 56 min, 40 sec W, give or take 15 seconds. Radios I would be using most of the time to log stations would be an SRF-42 and my Panasonic RQ-SW20 pictured at http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/panasonic-rqsw20-tuned1450.jpg Some stations with which I want to be able to acheive daytime reception (at least strong enough that I can fairly easily make out what's on the station, and on the SRF-42 the stereo would be on) include: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/KDIS_AM_LD.gif (problem station for KDIS under normal conditions is http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/KSDO_AM_LD.gif) http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/KPRO_AM_LD.gif (for reference, my approximate listening location on this one is between "for" and "KPRO" kinda below them above the "com" in radio-locator.com) others include: 850 KOA Denver (have local 860 XEMO Tijuana), 810 KGO San Francisco (have local 800 XESPN Tijuana), 1160 KSL Salt Lake City (have local 1170 KCBQ San Diego), 680 KNBR San Francisco (have local 690 XETRA Rosarito), 1530 KFBK Sacramento, 1580 KMIK Phoenix (also has co-channel KDAY Santa Monica), 890 KDXU St George, UT (with a TIS on 890 at Cabrillo National Monument about 15-20 miles west of me). and, if possible, 740 KCBS San Francisco, with a co-channel 10kW daytimer KBRT Avalon (Catalina Island) being pushed to the background, and 750 KFQD Anchorage, AK (would seawater help the coverage any) with a local 760 KFMB San Diego. (or would I have a better time based on the directions of the stations trying to hear WSB Atlanta?) Actually.... I might want to make 2 loop antennas - one would be a high-performance one that I could log as many stations as possible and at the same time reducing co-channel interference and nearly eliminating adjacent-channel interference. The second would be a portable loop that I could take with me that would still yield satisfactory results. With a good loop antenna, would it be possible to take the graveyard channels and make them sound like during the day what they normally sound like at night, or even take a few clear channels, for example 1070 and 640, which have groundwave-receiveable stations where I am, sound during the day (if the antenna(s) are omnidirectional) like the graveyards normally sound like at night? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > Only a long wire with ground from antenna terminals > > on a > > tuner/receiver will give you more gain. Keep in mind > > what 35dB means, > > though-- Just -6- dB is a doubling of signal > > strength! So every 6 dB > > it doubles in strength, making 35 dB excellent > > amplification. :) And > > yes, it does amplify the static, too, but that's > > part of the fun of > > DXing. :) > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > Not necessarily. Here's a page where you can make your > own larger loop antennas: > > http://www.mindspring.com/~loop_antenna/ > > > > Powell > > > > > ===== > powell@c... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Nov 17 10:37:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9840 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2003 18:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2003 18:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2003 18:37:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2003 18:37:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:37:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: High quality AM/FM digital pocket size radio Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 913 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, Does a high quality "pocket size" stereo radio exist with these characteristics: 1. Digital readout 2. Balanced RF mixer for FM 3. Balanced RF mixer for AM 4. Two ceramic IF filters for FM 5. Bass boost 6. Little or no "constant hiss" at the headphone outputs Sangean and the Tivoli PAL radios meet some of these characteristics, but, so far, none that I have seen meet them all. It's not impossible to design a radio that way. Shirt pocket examples: Sangean DT-110: 1,5 Sangean DT-200V: 1,2,4 Sangean DT-210v (new): 1,5,6 Sony SRF-M35 (not so nice): 1 Slightly larger radios: Sony ICF-SW7600G: 1,3,4,6. Sangean ATS-909: 1,2,3,4,5 (but it is hissy, hissy, hissy). Tivoli PAL: 2,3,4,6 Presently avilable AM-stereo pocket radios: Sony SRF-AX51V: 6 Sony SRF-AX15: 6 Large Radio: Grundig Satellit 700: 1,2,3,4,5,6 Is there a diamond out there that I don't know about? Best regards, Paul Bigelow From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 13:57:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1545 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2003 21:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2003 21:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2003 21:57:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20031117215753.21491.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:57:53 PST Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:57:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Possible AM Stereo to provide publicity for AMS? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Originating-IP: 216.136.172.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin T.wrote: "AM Stereo CD Probably not what you were expecting, but interesting nonetheless: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2573208176 " We ought to contact these guys and ask them if we can put some sort of a real "AM Stereo" promotion as a hidden track on their next CD? Maybe just a recording of their music broadcast over an AlfredoLite received on an AM stereo receiver? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Nov 17 14:18:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53494 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2003 22:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2003 22:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2003 22:18:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2003 22:18:41 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73968 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2003 21:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2003 21:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2003 21:33:45 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.22.3fa97da3 (30970) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:32:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <22.3fa97da3.2cea9856@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:32:06 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hi-Fi AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 152.163.225.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Nov 2003 22:18:35 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.86 IBOC is NOT ACCEPTABLE. Radio owners shouldn't be concerned with excessive profit, but with who's the best-sounding station in the market. And, from what I hear, IBOC sounds like crapola on an analog radio. In fact, if it's IBOC-only, then you WILL NOT HEAR THE STATION on a non-IBOC receiver. The same is true with DRM on a non-DRM receiver. Until the industry realizes that the crisis is in PROGRAMMING (ie: formats), not in TECHNOLOGY (C-QUAM AM Stereo and FM Stereo are already capable of CD-quality sound) and in the QUALITY OF RECEIVERS, then radio is dying. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Mon Nov 17 17:09:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55837 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 01:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2003 01:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 01:09:20 -0000 Message-ID: <000d01c3ad70$a2455120$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE P780 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:03:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You're giving me an idea- I wonder what it would cost if we were to essentially copy this design with modern parts and add an AMS decoder to it? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin" > Without a doubt the GE P780 is the best AM portable. Not bad for ancient > technology. From stodd@vippn.com Mon Nov 17 17:09:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85487 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 01:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2003 01:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 01:09:22 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c3ad70$ba661320$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best Frequency Response?? Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:06:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Dude- please let me know what city that WE is in! Gotta keep that one from ever hitting the bone yard. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > I know of one in central florida that sounds wonderful using the old Gates > Level Devil driving an old 1930s vintage 5KW Western Electric transmitter. From stodd@vippn.com Mon Nov 17 17:09:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51483 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 01:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2003 01:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 01:09:25 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c3ad70$bb836a00$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:08:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yep- was in the area a week ago with my SRF-42 and it was as mono as can be. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "steveslohb" > wrote: > > As of 9 PM EST, I am not seeing the stereo pilot on 1520 here in > > Montreal. > > WWKB, Buffalo? They already have tested IBOC, and have been > broadcasting for a few months without it. From stodd@vippn.com Mon Nov 17 17:09:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49854 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 01:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2003 01:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 01:09:27 -0000 Message-ID: <001001c3ad70$bc7f2f20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Freddo's site Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:11:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Now I'm getting something. Only thing is we need something 4x the broadcast freq. I'm not an expert on frequency synthesizer design so I'm unsure as to how I'd modify the existing designs, plus having to make up the **** circuit board would make it more trouble than it's worth. Anyone else here up to the challenge? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" To: Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 4:58 AM Subject: {AMSF} Freddo's site > Try again, it does work: > > http://www.freddospage.nl/ > > -- > Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW > Transmitters 'R' Us > http://www.transmittersrus.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From stodd@vippn.com Mon Nov 17 17:13:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2548 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 01:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2003 01:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 01:13:23 -0000 Message-ID: <001a01c3ad71$4db01180$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031116125222.30259.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:14:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually a lot of them were replaced by the DAP310, the first multiband processor. The BL-40 stopped sounding good past a 4:1 compression ratio. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > The BL40 went by the wayside when the Optimod 9000 hit the > airwaves. From stodd@vippn.com Mon Nov 17 17:41:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55322 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 01:41:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2003 01:41:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 01:41:20 -0000 Message-ID: <007601c3ad75$325de8e0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031117215753.21491.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Possible AM Stereo to provide publicity for AMS? Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Cool idea. Why didn't we think of that before? Many of us have known about this group for a few years. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > We ought to contact these guys and ask them if we can put some sort of a real > "AM Stereo" promotion as a hidden track on their next CD? Maybe just a > recording of their music broadcast over an AlfredoLite received on an AM stereo > receiver? From stodd@vippn.com Mon Nov 17 17:41:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85594 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 01:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2003 01:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 01:41:22 -0000 Message-ID: <007701c3ad75$337b3fc0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: LOOP antennas Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:39:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you do a Google search for loop antennas, I'm sure you'll find plenty. Saw plans for one that was 2' on a side. It's huge, but doubtless would pull in the stations like nobody's business. Don't remember the link or where I saw it as I didn't bookmark it. The same site had plans for a collapsible loop. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > > Actually.... I might want to make 2 loop antennas - one would be a > high-performance one that I could log as many stations as possible and > at the same time reducing co-channel interference and nearly > eliminating adjacent-channel interference. The second would be a > portable loop that I could take with me that would still yield > satisfactory results. From stodd@vippn.com Mon Nov 17 17:41:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88284 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 01:41:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2003 01:41:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 01:41:25 -0000 Message-ID: <007801c3ad75$3487cdc0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best Frequency Response?? Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:41:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There are a few tube rebuilders that can handle the larger ones. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "bta_50g" > Wow, cool, didn't those old Western Electric transmitters use the > Doherty circuit? Where on earth do they find tubes for it, especially > if they are cheapskates? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 21:01:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49881 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 05:01:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2003 05:01:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 05:01:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2003 05:01:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 05:01:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: LOOP antennas Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007701c3ad75$337b3fc0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 919 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key What about one that requires FAA clearance to set up? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > If you do a Google search for loop antennas, I'm sure you'll find plenty. > Saw plans for one that was 2' on a side. It's huge, but doubtless would > pull in the stations like nobody's business. Don't remember the link or > where I saw it as I didn't bookmark it. The same site had plans for a > collapsible loop. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > > > Actually.... I might want to make 2 loop antennas - one would be a > > high-performance one that I could log as many stations as possible and > > at the same time reducing co-channel interference and nearly > > eliminating adjacent-channel interference. The second would be a > > portable loop that I could take with me that would still yield > > satisfactory results. From jim@burgan.net Tue Nov 18 05:47:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26200 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 13:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2003 13:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-3.iquest.net) (206.246.180.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 13:47:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 6793 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 13:47:28 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-3.iquest.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 13:47:28 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-219.iquest.net [209.43.58.219]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with SMTP id AVR99344; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:47:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003c01c3adda$80f4aba0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20031116125222.30259.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c3ad71$4db01180$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:47:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Originating-IP: 206.246.180.53 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > Possom Hunter wrote: > > The BL40 went by the wayside when the Optimod 9000 hit the > > airwaves. > Scott Todd replied: > Actually a lot of them were replaced by the DAP310, the first multiband > processor. The BL-40 stopped sounding good past a 4:1 compression ratio. BL-40???? Never heard of it.... Every radio station at which I ever worked from 1973 thru 1984 had CBS limiting (Audimax and Volumax). Man, I loved those puppies! No mater what song you played or no matter where the pots were set on the board, the modulation monitor hovered around 100% and hardly budged. I have an aircheck of me playing a TM Shotgun (Shockwave pkg, the short shotgun that EVERYONE used in 1972-74, but I digress) jingle into Roberta Flack's "First Time Ever" and the VU meters on my Otari reel-to-reel barely move. The expansion was so intense that it would bring up the silence between words and make you sound like you were gasping for air... and if you didn't have tight-fitting cans, they would feedback all the time. I can hear the distinctive sound of CBS Labs limiting equipment on many great airchecks from that era.. the pumping audio and all. Today we have the standard Optimod FM 8200 on the 2 FM's at which I do airshifts, and they are set to the Wuss-Factor to the 10th degree. Little or no expansion. I've been hoping for the past 2 years that our group owner (2 commercial FM's, 1 commercial AM and 3 non-com FM's) would relocate permanently to his house in Key Largo so can I put that Optimod to work! Sheesh... I hope he doesn't discover the Usenet :-) From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Tue Nov 18 05:54:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91283 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 13:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2003 13:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.19) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 13:54:56 -0000 Received: from user-2381.bhm23.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.137.77] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AM6Jj-0007LX-P9 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:54:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:53:37 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Freddo's site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Originating-IP: 195.92.193.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Drop Freddo a line. He's open to all constructive criticism. I also have a friend in Redwood City, CA who makes retrofit PLL's for the rock bound LPB rigs. They're only around 30 bucks a piece. Jack is his name: Work: (650) 363 0869 Cell: (415) 265 4202 Tell him Phil in London, UK passed you his name. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Tue Nov 18 13:20:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99468 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 21:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2003 21:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 21:20:32 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C1E42104DD for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C7F9EFAA8 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031118162627.032c6430@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:27:27 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Testing Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John Holcomb II X-Originating-IP: 204.57.55.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This group seems dead. Just no messages? John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Nov 18 13:38:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43966 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 21:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2003 21:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 21:38:25 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.99]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:42:19 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c3ae1c$1ead5860$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031118162627.032c6430@pop.GameBox.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Testing Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:37:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I'm back..... after 3 days without power from that freak windstorm last Thursday. It made a mess of everything. Anyway- I was in Connecticut, and did a RDS scan- there were 9 stations with it, opposed to 2 last year at this time. As for AM Stereo, WICC,WLAD and WREF were it- 1520 did have a pilot this weekend. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: John Holcomb II From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Nov 18 19:49:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72928 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2003 03:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2003 03:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2003 03:49:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:49:26 -0800 Received: from 172.150.102.55 by bay7-dav3.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:49:25 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031116125222.30259.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c3ad71$4db01180$827dfea9@home1> <003c01c3adda$80f4aba0$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:47:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2003 03:49:26.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[209FDBF0:01C3AE50] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jim Burgan wrote: > BL-40???? > Never heard of it.... Every radio station at which I ever worked from 1973 thru 1984 had CBS limiting (Audimax and Volumax). Man, I loved those puppies! No mater what song you played or no matter where the pots were set on the board, the modulation monitor hovered around 100% and hardly budged. The clip of my BTA-1R1 was with the BL-40 set at a pretty conservative setting. Even so, the Mod Monitor meter just sat on 100% and wiggled. The BL-40 is one loud SOB when it is set up right. > > Today we have the standard Optimod FM 8200 on the 2 FM's at which I do airshifts, and they are set to the Wuss-Factor to the 10th degree. How you set up your Optimod depends much on your format and market conditions. If you are a CHR in an all-out loudness war, the 8200 is a killer weapon! You can crank up that Optimod to the "Ear Bleed" New York CHR settings and leave the other CHRs in the dust. Otherwise, what you want to do is set up your audio so when compared to the competing stations, your has just a little bit more stereo separation, the highs have just a little bit more sparkle, the bass is just a little bit deeper, and the station sounds just a little bit louder than the competitor. You want to make it so when people tune off of your station, the others sound dull and lifeless, and they have to turn the volume up a tad. This will make them tune back to your station! Crank it up too much and you will blow off your audience with listener fatigue. Unless you are in a loudness war, you don't want to "blow a hole in the dial", just sound a bit more attractive. If your format is Urban, R&B, or CHR, it is very important to set up the audio listening to a high end car stereo. Otherwise set it up while listening to a decent "Premium Sound" factory car stereo. Kevin From jim@burgan.net Wed Nov 19 05:24:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85821 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2003 13:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2003 13:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-2.iquest.net) (206.246.180.52) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2003 13:24:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 60776 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2003 13:24:50 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-2.iquest.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2003 13:24:50 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-89.iquest.net [209.43.58.89]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with SMTP id AVW51810; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:24:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001601c3aea0$81d5d1e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20031116125222.30259.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c3ad71$4db01180$827dfea9@home1> <003c01c3adda$80f4aba0$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:24:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Originating-IP: 206.246.180.52 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Kevin wrote: > How you set up your Optimod depends much on your format and market > conditions. If you are a CHR in an all-out loudness war, the 8200 is a > killer weapon! You can crank up that Optimod to the "Ear Bleed" New York CHR > settings and leave the other CHRs in the dust. Otherwise, what you want to > do is set up your audio so when compared to the competing stations, your has > just a little bit more stereo separation, the highs have just a little bit > more sparkle, the bass is just a little bit deeper, and the station sounds > just a little bit louder than the competitor. You want to make it so when > people tune off of your station, the others sound dull and lifeless, and > they have to turn the volume up a tad. This will make them tune back to your > station! Crank it up too much and you will blow off your audience with > listener fatigue. Unless you are in a loudness war, you don't want to "blow > a hole in the dial", just sound a bit more attractive. If your format is > Urban, R&B, or CHR, it is very important to set up the audio listening to a > high end car stereo. Otherwise set it up while listening to a decent > "Premium Sound" factory car stereo. You are right.. I've read all of Bob Orban's writings on listener fatigue and loudness wars. Since 30 years in radio (headphones injecting roughly 100db of audio directly into my ears) has done wonders to my own hearing, I would be the last person to try to tweak our Optimods. They don't sound bad, and I know I'm a dinosaur but I love lots of expansion and a brick wall on top. From krichards@wor710.com Wed Nov 19 10:20:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54161 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2003 18:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2003 18:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2003 18:20:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2003 18:19:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:19:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kenwood HD Radio set Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1377 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 The first Kenwood HD (Consumer Completed Model) Radio arrived here at WOR yesterday. It consists of a Standard Kenwood "Control Head" and then the Kenwood HD Radio module which plugs into the control head in the same port as the Sirius or XM adapter does. To me it is reminicent of the early Sansui AM Stereo car radios, which at the time decoded the four differing AM Stereo systems. The Kenwood HD module is about the same size. Tom is going to install the new goodie in the Ford Explorer, he got the kit from Crutchfield to do the whole conversion from the factory radio to the new Kenwood. I'm sure he will get all the pix and data to our website as soon as he finishes the work. I got a call from one of my friends in Cleveland, they got their HD radio earlier this week and the first reports have been that it works real well and is quite surprising particularly on AM. The new codec works well. It seems to perform real well in spotty FM areas where the analog signal multipaths, and the digital holds up cleanly. These radios are going to be in High End consumer stores and dealers starting in late December early January, without the control head the HD adapter is currently $399 estimated retail. Once the radios start appearing in stores and in cars etc, the real testing will start, once consumers have the product in their hands. Kerry..... From stodd@vippn.com Wed Nov 19 17:15:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60642 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 01:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 01:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 01:15:02 -0000 Message-ID: <000101c3af03$cb91d280$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: LOOP antennas Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:46:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You don't have the bucks for one of those, plus they'd be a lightning hazard. If you can't get what you want on a loop that still fits through the average door, chances are you're not gonna get it at all. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > What about one that requires FAA clearance to set up? From dav259@csiro.au Wed Nov 19 17:24:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41999 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 01:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 01:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 01:24:39 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hAK1Ocg1024972 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:24:38 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:24:38 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Digital radio in Oz Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Originating-IP: 138.194.10.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Our CRA (read NAB) is really dragging the chain with digital testing. Mark Day's column in The Oz today says that the FM stations would prefer IBOC to Eureka 147 so as to maintain their perceived advantage over AM stations. "The FM industry, dominated in recent years by Austereo and the Australian Radio network half owned by the American giant Clear Channel have resisted the Eureka standard. They want the American IBOC (in band, on channel) system which broadcasts a digital signal within existing analogue bandwidth. It does not require new frequencies, and maintains a quality difference between AM and FM. It is the favoured technology of the FMers for those reasons, but there is a small problem. It hasn't yet been proved to work properly." http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,7903159%255E12280,00.html From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 17:25:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92946 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 01:25:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 01:25:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 01:25:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 01:25:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:25:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1705 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.90 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Once the radios start appearing in stores and in cars etc, the real > testing will start, once consumers have the product in their hands. Yes, but I somehow doubt we'll be seeing any true comparisons being done between IBOC and the hi-fi AMAX receivers that listeners have been enjoying for years. Of course, compared to typical muddy 3 kHz AM radio, most listeners are going to initially favor IBOC's screaming high treble, but given an equal comparison with the AMAX radios that people have in their car dashboards and at home right now, I think you and I both know that many listeners would favor analog AM's clearer and more natural sound -- especially women, because as Robert Orban has discussed, women are generally less tolerant of over-processed or artifact-filled treble response than men. Indeed, almost every day I encounter people listening to the radio with the treble knob turned almost all the way down, and many in-store music systems sound that way as well. If these people actually prefer a muffled, low-fidelity type of sound, then obviously the "CD-quality" or "near-FM-quality" sound (yeah, right!) of IBOC is simply not going to be an attraction to them. My personal conspiracy theory is that the ultimate goal of IBOC is not about improving fidelity or reception; it's about some day having a radio display that will say, "Like this song that we're playing on Babble 93.7 right now? Push button X and it'll be automatically downloaded to your iPod system for only $1.99! Or, push button Y to buy the CD from Amazon.com for only $16.99! All courtesy of Clear Channel-Sony-RCA-CNNBCBS Music Entertainment Worldwide, a Division of Disney/Pixar/ABC!" From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Nov 19 17:35:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17748 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 01:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 01:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.15) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 01:35:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:35:52 -0800 Received: from 172.165.251.141 by bay7-dav43.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:35:52 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031116125222.30259.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c3ad71$4db01180$827dfea9@home1> <003c01c3adda$80f4aba0$9802a8c0@jimspc> <001601c3aea0$81d5d1e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:33:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2003 01:35:52.0563 (UTC) FILETIME=[A263F430:01C3AF06] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jim Burgan wrote: >I know I'm a dinosaur but I love lots of expansion and a brick wall on top. Well you can tell by the audio clip of my RCA that I like that sound too! Expand it, Compress it, then limit the peaks so the mod monitor never drops below 97%! On AM, the more you squish the audio and run the processing "Balls to the walls", the better it will sound for the DX listener with the trade off of distortion for the local listener. By running the Positive modulation so it just sits on 125% and wiggles, you can actually increase the usable range of your station by a good bit! This works better with music than talk because the processing will suck up too much breath noises and line noise from the phone lines and network. Running reverb also helps hide the extra noise while increasing your modulation density even more! If you like your AM modulation LOUD, get an Optimod 9000 and do the "Disco modification" on it, then run it with a spring or plate reverb in front of it. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Nov 19 18:45:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78518 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 02:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 02:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.19) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 02:45:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:45:22 -0800 Received: from 172.165.251.141 by bay7-dav47.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:45:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Infinity Refuses Fine! Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:43:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2003 02:45:22.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[57F81700:01C3AF10] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 From http://www1.allaccess.com/: INFINITY informs the FCC that it "respectfully declines" to pay the $357,500 fine imposed on it for the OPIE AND ANTHONY "Sex for SAM" church-sex incident at WNEW/NEW YORK and 12 other INFINITY stations last year. The company is challenging the determination of indecency, noting that the broadcast itself only contained innuendo. INFINITY was fined $27,500 for each of its stations that carried the broadcast, a move criticized by FCC Commissioner MICHAEL COPPS, who considered the violation grounds for license revocation hearings. I sure hope the FCC pulls their licenses! Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 19:00:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8285 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 03:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 03:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 03:00:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 03:00:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:00:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CRL AM Stereo gear for sale Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 910 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This place has a few pieces of CRL gear for sale: http://www.lightnerelectronics.com/preowned2.htm They have a SMP-900 AM Stereo Matrix Processor listed for $395. This older dual-band limiter won't win any loudness wars, but it will help you transmit a nice, clean, NRSC-compliant signal with excellent Stereo imaging. It can be switched to a wider bandwidth and a higher amount of pre-emphasis if you want a bit more crispness on a signal that is not beholden to the NRSC specs (such as low-power Part 15). Also on the site is a SEP-800 Spectral Energy Processor for $495, which is a fairly good stereo 4-band compressor and will help give any station (AM or FM) the "polished" sound of multi-band processing, but at that price you may be able to find something newer/better. If you look around, they have other stuff, too -- everything from an ancient CBS Audimax III to an Optimod 8100A/ST. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Nov 19 19:15:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45038 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 02:59:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 02:59:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 02:59:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:59:09 -0800 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav8.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:59:09 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Attn:Alfredo T. Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:59:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2003 02:59:09.0461 (UTC) FILETIME=[44C61450:01C3AF12] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: 65.54.174.112 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hello, I have seen alfredo pop up on this list every now and then. I need a backup of the http://ineterena.com/~alfredot/ website if you still have it and can post it as a compressed file somewhere. I know about the archive and it is incomplete. I know some of it is obsolete. I had a back up of it but it accidentally got deleted. I tried contacting you through http://www.freddospage.nl turns out it a different alfredo. thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo Part 15 Community Radio! From tomray@wor710.com Wed Nov 19 19:22:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12169 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 03:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 03:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 03:22:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 03:22:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:22:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 593 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray And your conspiracy theory is probably correct....this is, after all, a business, and it takes $ to keep the programming and transmitter going. Non-traditional revenue will be a big part of IBOC, and could keep many stations (AM's) afloat that are even now considering throwing in the towel. Of course, in many cases, if there were programming worth listening to.......but that's another discussion. Oh. You forgot the Infinity/Clear Channel Megalopolis Conglomerate, Incorporated, Member FDIC, an equal opportunity lender, MSRP may be different, see your dealer for details. TR From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 19:39:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35639 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 03:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 03:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 03:39:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 03:39:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:39:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Attn:Alfredo T. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 627 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > Hello, > > I have seen alfredo pop up on this list every now and then. I need a backup > of the http://ineterena.com/~alfredot/ website if you still have it and can > post it as a compressed file somewhere. I know about the archive and it is > incomplete. I know some of it is obsolete. I had a back up of it but it > accidentally got deleted. I tried contacting you through > http://www.freddospage.nl turns out it a different alfredo. Alfredo's site has been mirrored and archived here: http://tinyurl.com/plvk Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Nov 19 19:52:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99693 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 03:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 03:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 03:52:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 03:52:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:52:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Attn:Alfredo T. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 881 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kc8gpd" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Greatly appreciated. I'm on a quest to start a first rate part 15 AM Stereo broadcast station. Thanks ;), Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have seen alfredo pop up on this list every now and then. I need > a backup > > of the http://ineterena.com/~alfredot/ website if you still have it > and can > > post it as a compressed file somewhere. I know about the archive > and it is > > incomplete. I know some of it is obsolete. I had a back up of it > but it > > accidentally got deleted. I tried contacting you through > > http://www.freddospage.nl turns out it a different alfredo. > > Alfredo's site has been mirrored and archived here: > http://tinyurl.com/plvk > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Nov 19 19:58:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9974 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 03:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 03:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.122) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 03:58:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:58:50 -0800 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav18.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:58:49 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:58:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2003 03:58:50.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B383B30:01C3AF1A] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: 65.54.174.122 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I always thought IBOC was a way to kill off part 15 and pirate stations. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo Part 15 Community Radio! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 20:11:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71297 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 04:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 04:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 04:11:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 04:11:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:11:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 485 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > Of course, compared to typical muddy 3 kHz > AM radio, most listeners are going to initially favor IBOC's > screaming high treble You want to knock the socks off of IBOC?? 1360 WHNR in Cypress Gardens, Florida.... A 1930s Western Electric transmitter, and a Gates Level Devil...Sounds BETTER than FM...Only thing it was missing was the Stereo....But it looks like someone complained to the FCC, because last time I passed by there, they had put in 10khz. filters. --tony s. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 20:34:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80374 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 04:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 04:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 04:34:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 04:34:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:34:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Oh. You forgot the Infinity/Clear Channel Megalopolis > Conglomerate, Incorporated, Member FDIC, an equal opportunity > lender, MSRP may be different, see your dealer for details. Batteries not included, void where prohibited. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 21:02:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4300 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 05:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 05:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 05:02:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 05:01:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:01:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1256 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You want to knock the socks off of IBOC?? > > 1360 WHNR in Cypress Gardens, Florida.... > > A 1930s Western Electric transmitter, and a Gates Level Devil... > Sounds BETTER than FM...Only thing it was missing was the Stereo... It may use a more modern transmitter, but my Part-15 FM station is one step up from the Level Devil -- it uses a Gates Solid Statesman limiter, circa 1969. I'm still looking for a matching Gates Solid Statesman wideband AGC, but right now I have it teamed with my CRL SEC-800 Spectral Energy Compressor, and the combination sounds absolutely phenomenal -- it is consistently loud and punchy, yet clean and generally free from "pumping". With an IBM ThinkPad providing a playlist of over 800 songs, it also happens to be the only station within the greater New York City area playing Country music, as part of an all-encompassing format that features everything from 1950s classics through the latest hits. For more information and a photo of this setup, check out: http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=77754&Board=community And don't worry... I'm setting up an even-better Part-15 AM Stereo station that will soon be micro-broadcasting its own unique music format with full, glorious Stereo sound. From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Nov 19 21:40:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18621 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 05:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 05:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 05:40:43 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031120054037.MIKW28419.fed1mtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:40:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:41:06 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <22C1B895-1B1C-11D8-A7B8-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.242 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 05:25 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > My personal conspiracy theory is that the ultimate goal of IBOC is > not about improving fidelity or reception; it's about some day having > a radio display that will say, "Like this song that we're playing on > Babble 93.7 right now?=A0 Push button X and it'll be automatically > downloaded to your iPod system for only $1.99!=A0 Or, push button Y to > buy the CD from Amazon.com for only $16.99!=A0 All courtesy of Clear > Channel-Sony-RCA-CNNBCBS Music Entertainment Worldwide, a Division > of Disney/Pixar/ABC!" > Oh, come on. Give me a break. This is SO far from reality! Everyone knows Disney would be a division of Clear Channel Worldwide! As to the "like this song" idea, you have all heard "99," haven't you? Richard Wagoner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 22:23:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62002 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 06:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 06:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 06:23:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20031120062332.26420.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.77] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:23:32 PST Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:23:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio set To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > My personal conspiracy theory is that the ultimate > goal of IBOC is > not about improving fidelity or reception; it's > about some day having > a radio display that will say, "Like this song that > we're playing on > Babble 93.7 right now? Push button X and it'll be > automatically > downloaded to your iPod system for only $1.99! Or, > push button Y to > buy the CD from Amazon.com for only $16.99! All > courtesy of Clear > Channel-Sony-RCA-CNNBCBS Music Entertainment > Worldwide, a Division > of Disney/Pixar/ABC!" Or refuse to allow you to record something as HDTV is set up with flags to do just that. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 22:26:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13761 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 06:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 06:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 06:26:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20031120062613.12049.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.77] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:26:13 PST Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:26:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio set To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.81 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > I always thought IBOC was a way to kill off part 15 > and pirate stations. > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Well partly. IBOC will kill off all but the biggest corporate stations. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 22:28:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20494 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 06:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 06:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 06:28:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20031120062820.77143.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.77] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:28:20 PST Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:28:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio set To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > And your conspiracy theory is probably > correct....this is, after all, > a business, and it takes $ to keep the programming > and transmitter > going. Non-traditional revenue will be a big part > of IBOC, and could > keep many stations (AM's) afloat that are even now > considering > throwing in the towel. Of course, in many cases, if > there were > programming worth listening to.......but that's > another discussion. They won't be able to afford the towel. The non traditional revenue will also suck away data bits that would go to the audio fidelity. The non traditional revenue also goes to Ibiquity. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 22:30:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22951 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 06:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 06:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 06:30:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20031120063003.27880.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.77] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:30:03 PST Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:30:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kenwood HD Radio set To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kerry Richards wrote: > The first Kenwood HD (Consumer Completed Model) > Radio arrived here at > WOR yesterday. > > It consists of a Standard Kenwood "Control Head" and > then the Kenwood > HD Radio module which plugs into the control head in > the same port as > the Sirius or XM adapter does. > > These radios are going to be in High End consumer > stores and dealers > starting in late December early January, without the > control head the > HD adapter is currently $399 estimated retail. So, what is the model # and the TOTAL price of the unit? Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Nov 20 00:17:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43661 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 08:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 08:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 08:17:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 08:17:13 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65194 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 05:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 05:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 05:00:11 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.20.1cc5898f (3858) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:00:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20.1cc5898f.2ceda456@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:00:06 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kenwood HD Radio set To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Nov 2003 08:17:12 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.68 No radio sounds better than a C-QUAM AM Stereo receiver! Most people won't afford IBOC receivers, anyway. So, why force a failed technology down our throats (IBOC) when two highly successful systems already capable of CD-quality sound (FM Stereo and, to a lesser extent, C-QUAM AM Stereo) are already available? I don't see the logic. Face the facts: IBOC is LOW END equipment, with INFERIOR sound quality, and DRASTICALLY REDUCED signal coverage. Keep superior quality C-QUAM AM Stereo and FM Stereo. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Nov 20 00:17:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 36706 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 08:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 08:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 08:17:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 08:17:21 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57643 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 05:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 05:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 05:00:11 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.65.1cf5e9a4 (3858) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:00:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <65.1cf5e9a4.2ceda457@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:00:07 EST Subject: Home Stereo Receivers...Attention C. Cuff To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.163 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Nov 2003 08:17:20 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.83 Chris, Which home stereo receivers (current or recent) could you recommend for conversion to receive C-QUAM AM Stereo? I'm looking at buying either a new or used receiver. I'm also considering adding 110 kHz filters for FM as well. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Nov 20 00:41:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11777 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 08:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 08:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 08:41:57 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.37.164]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:45:55 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c3af41$fab66ba0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <65.1cf5e9a4.2ceda457@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Home Stereo Receivers...Attention C. Cuff Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:40:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 By far, the best receivers ar the Kenwood VR series. You can get the VR**** series on ebay reasonably, and the ones built in year 2000 and down have the "place on the board" for AM Stereo components. It is not possible to list every model that is equipped, but I can look them up individually. As well, all of the receivers (Onkyo, Sony, New Kenwood, JVC, etc can ALL be converted - the ones that use the small metal enclosed tuner module) Note that with the exception of *some* of the Kenwoods, the "stereo" on the display wil not function- a simple LED is needed to be added. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: {AMSF} Home Stereo Receivers...Attention C. Cuff > Chris, > > Which home stereo receivers (current or recent) could you recommend for > conversion to receive C-QUAM AM Stereo? I'm looking at buying either a new or used > receiver. I'm also considering adding 110 kHz filters for FM as well. > From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 01:13:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32040 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 09:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 09:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 09:13:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 09:13:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:13:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 663 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.81 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > I always thought IBOC was a way to kill off part 15 and pirate stations. The OFDM digital modulation and the subcodes could probably be cobbled 'n hacked, but the iBiquity codecs would be the tricky part to obtain.. Other than the proprietary codecs, the actual digital technology has been around for some 20 years, with amateurs and the military having had access to OFDM long before it became a part of cellphones, wireless LANs, DAB, DRM and IBOC. As it says in the Bible- I forget where, but it IS there- "There is nothing new under the Sun." Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 01:28:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32807 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 09:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 09:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 09:28:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 09:28:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:28:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031120062613.12049.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1475 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > wrote: > > I always thought IBOC was a way to kill off part 15 > > and pirate stations. > > > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > > > Well partly. IBOC will kill off all but the biggest > corporate stations. Not quite- It would hit them pretty badly, too! In order to maintain listenership, there would have to be enough content to keep people interested in tuning in. Dry up the pool, and it actually HURTS the "big guys" that would otherwise survive such an onslaught. Why? People channel-surf. Fewer channels, less time the receiver's actually ON, as there would be fewer options to listen to. Oh, it's already happening- The content choice, or lack of it, has already driven radio listenership down considerably. And IBOC is supposed to save it??? Do you know WHY XM is doing so well, now? Actual content diversity! Broadcasting has done everything to drive listeners AWAY from listening to over-the-air radio. IBOC is not going to mean a damned thing to the consumer, and even less when the quality and the choice is the same crappy choice and quality to begin with. The whole friggin' industry is shooting themselves in their collective feet, and they don't realize it yet!. IBOC alone will NOT fix the problem. Radio broadcasting has lost its meaning, its reason to be. And they still don't get it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Thu Nov 20 12:48:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73231 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 20:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 20:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 20:48:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 20:47:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:47:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1496 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.68 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Kevin: What are you using for an antenna? Someone was asking me recently, and I'm looking for ideas. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > You want to knock the socks off of IBOC?? > > > > 1360 WHNR in Cypress Gardens, Florida.... > > > > A 1930s Western Electric transmitter, and a Gates Level Devil... > > Sounds BETTER than FM...Only thing it was missing was the Stereo... > > It may use a more modern transmitter, but my Part-15 FM station is > one step up from the Level Devil -- it uses a Gates Solid Statesman > limiter, circa 1969. I'm still looking for a matching Gates Solid > Statesman wideband AGC, but right now I have it teamed with my CRL > SEC-800 Spectral Energy Compressor, and the combination sounds > absolutely phenomenal -- it is consistently loud and punchy, yet > clean and generally free from "pumping". > > With an IBM ThinkPad providing a playlist of over 800 songs, it also > happens to be the only station within the greater New York City area > playing Country music, as part of an all-encompassing format that > features everything from 1950s classics through the latest hits. > > For more information and a photo of this setup, check out: > > http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=77754&Board=community > > And don't worry... I'm setting up an even-better Part-15 AM Stereo > station that will soon be micro-broadcasting its own unique music > format with full, glorious Stereo sound. From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Nov 20 16:45:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71387 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 00:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 00:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 00:45:11 -0000 Received: from smtp-mtc-ab01.proxy.aol.com (smtp-mtc-ab01.proxy.aol.com [64.12.97.55]) by rly-ip04.mx.aol.com (v95.1) with ESMTP id RELAYIN7-83fbd5fd71dc; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:44:07 2000 Received: from ibm (ACAA1AD2.ipt.aol.com [172.170.26.210]) by smtp-mtc-ab01.proxy.aol.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hAL0eJ2e007035 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:40:19 GMT Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:40:19 GMT Message-ID: <000201c3afc7$bb3e97a0$4286dd43@aoldsl.net> To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio set MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 64.12.97.55 From: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis wrote on 11/19/03 23:01: >I always thought IBOC was a way to kill off part 15 and pirate stations. No, not at all! IBOC will drive the few remaining "mom & pop" stations off= of the air. The only stations remaining will be owned by the big corporate= monopolies and they will all be broadcasting the same crappy programing an= d propoganda. This will be the end of nich programming and free speech on t= he licensed broadcast stations. The loss of programming and free speech will encourage more Part 15 and Pir= ate radio stations to go on the air. We are already seeing the start of thi= s trend. Ther are over a dozen flea power FMs and AMs in my area broadcasti= ng everything from Bible bangers to alterative talk to nich music formats s= uch as my Part 15 on 1620 playing Celtic and Big Band. Even now, there are = more low power FM transmitters being sold than ever before and Chris Cuff c= an't build his "Alfredo Lite" AM transmitters fast enough. You can also bet out of all of those older AM broadcast trasmitter that we= re made obsolete and removed from service due to IBOC, many will end up bac= k on the air in the hands of a pirate. Because these pirates and Part 15s will not have IBOC, and most lack NRSC f= ilters, Hi-Fi broadcasting will return to the AM band. As the IBOC hash level rises and drowns out the low power pirates, they wil= l migrate over to the Short Wave band greatly increasing coverage areas. Th= ere are already MANY "Grenade" transmitters out there and on the air. Just think, the radio will be covered with stations that sound like WBCQ 71= 45 on weekend evenings! I am looking forward to the boom in Pirate Radio. Pirate Radio is the pures= t form of free speech. Kevia Remember: Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get y= ou. From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Nov 20 17:22:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72029 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 01:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 01:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 01:22:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:22:47 -0800 Received: from 172.170.26.210 by bay7-dav27.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:22:47 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Here We Go Again! Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:20:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2003 01:22:47.0735 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9027470:01C3AFCD] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.84 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 From: http://spaceweather.com/ MAGNETIC STORM: A strong geomagnetic storm is in progress. It began at approximately 0800 UT on Nov. 20th when a coronal mass ejection swept past Earth. Auroras have been sighted as far south as Alabama and Arizona in the United States and Greece in Europe. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Nov 20 17:45:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70083 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 01:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 01:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 01:45:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:45:20 -0800 Received: from 172.170.26.210 by bay7-dav24.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:45:20 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:43:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2003 01:45:20.0337 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F392410:01C3AFD1] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.81 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > What are you using for an antenna? For my part 15 rig I am using a MFJ antenna tuner into a 9 foot wire. I am using a killer ground.....120 equally spaced copper radials 150 feet long buried about a foot deep. Everything metal is bonded to my ground system with 3" and 4" copper strap. I am using an Alpha-Delta Sloper as my receive antenna. It is also grounded to the radial system. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 19:00:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94804 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 03:00:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 03:00:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 03:00:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2003 03:00:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:00:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1109 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.75 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > Kevin: > > What are you using for an antenna? Someone was asking me recently, > and I'm looking for ideas. For my FM transmitter, it's just 5/8"-diameter steel pipe, cut to a length that is approximately 5/8ths-wavelength resonant. It's nothing fancy, but since I'm nearly at the top of a hill, it does give me pretty good line-of-sight coverage. I don't know if it's 100% Part-15-legal or not, but right now the FCC has bigger fish to fry with all the Spanish-language pirates in the NJ/NY area. I hear them on 87.5, 87.9, and 107.9 MHz, the most elaborate of which is "Radio Melodia" in Plainfield, NJ, which is listed in the Yellow Pages and broadcasts commercials for local businesses! For my AM Stereo rig, my temporary transmitting antenna right now is the same outdoor longwire that I normally use for AM/SW receiving, coupled with a loading coil. Not exactly Part-15, but my signal isn't splattering onto any licensed stations, and I am working on getting a proper vertical antenna and ground system set up. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 19:57:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26954 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 03:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 03:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 03:57:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2003 03:57:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:57:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000201c3afc7$bb3e97a0$4286dd43@aoldsl.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3208 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis wrote on 11/19/03 23:01: > > >I always thought IBOC was a way to kill off part 15 and pirate stations. > > No, not at all! IBOC will drive the few remaining "mom & pop" stations off of the air. The only stations remaining will be owned by the big corporate monopolies and they will all be broadcasting the same crappy programing and propoganda. This will be the end of nich programming and free speech on the licensed broadcast stations. Which will prove to be quite disasterousd for the corporates, as the stations fall on deaf ears. In 20 years' time, what's left of tghe AM broadcast band will most likely be offered to community broadcasters- The ones who have been striving for LPFM for years, largely because AM will be seen as merely a legacy broadcast band. However....... :) > The loss of programming and free speech will encourage more Part 15 and Pirate radio stations to go on the air. We are already seeing the start of this trend. Ther are over a dozen flea power FMs and AMs in my area broadcasting everything from Bible bangers to alterative talk to nich music formats such as my Part 15 on 1620 playing Celtic and Big Band. Even now, there are more low power FM transmitters being sold than ever before and Chris Cuff can't build his "Alfredo Lite" AM transmitters fast enough. > You can also bet out of all of those older AM broadcast trasmitter that were made obsolete and removed from service due to IBOC, many will end up back on the air in the hands of a pirate. > > Because these pirates and Part 15s will not have IBOC, and most lack NRSC filters, Hi-Fi broadcasting will return to the AM band. > > As the IBOC hash level rises and drowns out the low power pirates, they will migrate over to the Short Wave band greatly increasing coverage areas. There are already MANY "Grenade" transmitters out there and on the air. > > Just think, the radio will be covered with stations that sound like WBCQ 7145 on weekend evenings! > > I am looking forward to the boom in Pirate Radio. Pirate Radio is the purest form of free speech. I have long ernvisioned a migration to lower SW broadcast bands, especially at 3 MHz, which is utterly dead most of the time, except for a teletype and CHU at 3335. It's got a high noise level, but still usable, and may get the nod as an alternative broadcast band until IBOC's patents run out. (Don't EVER make a proprietary system a standard, or you'll end up with an expensive, useless product. IBOC is NOT an open system, and the patents will run out probably this side of 10 years, effectively resulting in the loss of royalty fees, and that's iBiquity's only bet to stay afloat.) AM stereo WILL become viable once again- We have to encourage Part-15 and pirate stations to go stereo, then we ride out the IBOC-induced Armageddon, and bring AM stereo in on a clean slate, as a viable, proven technology with 90 years' history of proven technology behind it. AM stereo is for everyone. Let's keep it that way, OK? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (*nose buried in a bowl of feta cheese* *uurp* "'Scusie." From kencindy@telus.net Thu Nov 20 21:13:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kencindy@telus.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36821 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 05:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 05:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 05:13:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2003 05:13:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:13:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Foreign AM Stereo? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 168 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Ken H." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=132324055 X-Yahoo-Profile: bcrailwhistler This may seem like a nieve dumb question but is there any or much foreign AM Stereo around or on the shortwave bands?? Just curious, Ken Hicks in Snowy Whistler BC.!! From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 21:43:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16480 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 05:43:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 05:43:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 05:43:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2003 05:43:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:43:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Foreign AM Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1181 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ken H." wrote: > This may seem like a nieve dumb question but is there any or much > foreign AM Stereo around or on the shortwave bands?? Just curious, > Ken Hicks in Snowy Whistler BC.!! Nothing presently on shortwave :( but yes, there are many nations with AM stereo. As well as the US, Canada and Mexico, C-QUAM AM broadcasting is or has known to have been in the following countries: Japan, France, Italy, Australia, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Hong Kong, Philippines, Indonesia, South Africa, Swaziland, Lesotho, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Equador, Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, Ireland. May be some others. Countries known to have had AMS, but don't now include: New Zealand, Spain, and the Bahamas, at least. Some of these countries have one or two; countries like Japan, Thailand and Australia still have more than 5 stations. HK has 3. Canada and Mexico still have about 30 each. Japan has 12...out of 46 total AM stations, probably making it the most AMS-saturated in the world. There are still about 300 AMS stations in the US, but things don't look good in this country. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Nov 20 22:17:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59117 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 06:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 06:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.17) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 06:17:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:17:46 -0800 Received: from 172.170.26.210 by bay7-dav45.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 06:17:45 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:15:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2003 06:17:46.0114 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E10C620:01C3AFF7] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > I have long envisioned a migration to lower SW broadcast bands, especially at 3 MHz, which is utterly dead most of the time, except for a teletype and CHU at 3335. International regulations prohibit broadcasters in the Northern latitudes from using the Tropical Broadcast Band, however, International regulations have never stopped Pirates! Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 22:49:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8776 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 06:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 06:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 06:49:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2003 06:49:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 06:49:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1118 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.93 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Amy Mousie wrote: > > I have long envisioned a migration to lower SW broadcast bands, especially > at 3 MHz, which is utterly dead most of the time, except for a teletype and > CHU at 3335. > > International regulations prohibit broadcasters in the Northern latitudes > from using the Tropical Broadcast Band, however, International regulations > have never stopped Pirates! Or Part 15, as spelled out in 15.223. :) The services that were assigned to North America in this band have pretty much abandoned SW in favor of satellites, VHF and GPS for marine mobile communications and other such services, so interference by Part 15 broadcasters is far less likely to occur today. Part 15 broadcasting on shortwave is a far more viable option nowadays. Now, if we could just get people to EXPERIMENT with radio. You don't need a ham license to build electronics, even radios, but it does help, since it means you at least know something about how radio and electronbics work. To the future. Step boldly! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jim@burgan.net Fri Nov 21 05:21:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1651 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 13:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 13:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-2.iquest.net) (206.246.180.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 13:21:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 23823 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 13:21:26 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-2.iquest.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 13:21:26 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-234.iquest.net [209.43.58.234]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with SMTP id AWH27915; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:21:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002401c3b032$5d5ff910$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20031116125222.30259.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c3ad71$4db01180$827dfea9@home1> <003c01c3adda$80f4aba0$9802a8c0@jimspc> <001601c3aea0$81d5d1e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:21:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Originating-IP: 206.246.180.52 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > Jim Burgan wrote: > >I know I'm a dinosaur but I love lots of expansion and a brick wall on top. > > Well you can tell by the audio clip of my RCA that I like that sound too! > Expand it, Compress it, then limit the peaks so the mod monitor never drops > below 97%! > > On AM, the more you squish the audio and run the processing "Balls to the > walls", the better it will sound for the DX listener with the trade off of > distortion for the local listener. By running the Positive modulation so it > just sits on 125% and wiggles, you can actually increase the usable range of > your station by a good bit! This works better with music than talk because > the processing will suck up too much breath noises and line noise from the > phone lines and network. Running reverb also helps hide the extra noise > while increasing your modulation density even more! > > If you like your AM modulation LOUD, get an Optimod 9000 and do the "Disco > modification" on it, then run it with a spring or plate reverb in front of > it. > > Kevin > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jim@burgan.net Fri Nov 21 05:30:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7209 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 13:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 13:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-4.iquest.net) (206.246.180.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 13:29:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 79865 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 13:29:53 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-4.iquest.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 13:29:53 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-234.iquest.net [209.43.58.234]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with SMTP id AWH32090; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:29:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002701c3b033$8b70c4f0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20031116125222.30259.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c3ad71$4db01180$827dfea9@home1> <003c01c3adda$80f4aba0$9802a8c0@jimspc> <001601c3aea0$81d5d1e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:29:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Originating-IP: 206.246.180.54 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Kevin wrote: > If you like your AM modulation LOUD, get an Optimod 9000 and do the "Disco > modification" on it, then run it with a spring or plate reverb in front of > it. Now you're talking! You're also right increasing the range of an AM but running it "squished to the bejesus". The first Top 40 station at which I worked sounded just like that, right down to the spring-reverb! I loved that sound, and that's probably why still want lots of compression. From steveslohb@yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 08:04:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: steveslohb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7511 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 16:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 16:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 16:04:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2003 16:04:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:04:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c3ad70$bb836a00$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 620 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "steveslohb" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119851151 X-Yahoo-Profile: steveslohb As a follow up to this thread, I sent an email to KB which yeilded the resposnse "KB does not broadcast in stereo, just the pilot light is on". I then asked if they were ever going to broadcast in "real stereo" someday and was told not likley due to the expenses, but it could happen someday. Due to the fact they were in stereo at one time and there had been the pilot light on, the only thing I can assume is the STL system must be mono. Steve --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Yep- was in the area a week ago with my SRF-42 and it was as mono as can be. > > ST > From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 21 09:26:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36713 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 17:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 17:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 17:26:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2003 17:26:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:26:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 453 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray It could also be that the exciter died, and they are simply generating a 25Hz tone and injecting it into the audio to light the light. That's most likely the primary reason stereo goes away....the exciter dies, and the bean counters give you a choice of using the $ to do something critical, like replace the tubes in the transmitter, or replacing the exciter. Not a priority for many owners and managers when it comes to the bottom line. TR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 21 09:27:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13884 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 17:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 17:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 17:27:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2003 17:26:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:26:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 39 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Thanks, Kevin. This will help. TR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 21 09:28:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42622 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 17:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 17:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 17:28:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2003 17:28:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:28:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 160 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Excellent. This application is simply to retransmit a ball game, so I don't know how complex he wants to get.....but at least I'll have ideas for him. TR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 10:01:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70907 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 18:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 18:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 18:01:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2003 18:01:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:01:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 953 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It could also be that the exciter died, and they are simply > generating a 25Hz tone and injecting it into the audio to light > the light. That wouldn't work, because the pilot tone needs to be phase- modulated, i.e. injected into the L-R component of the AM Stereo signal. Transmitting a 25 Hz tone over a mono signal (i.e. in the L+R component) will not be detected as a pilot tone and will not switch any radios into AM Stereo mode. As another member said, the real reason for 1520 WWKB transmitting mono audio (with or without an AM Stereo pilot tone) is either that their STL is mono, and/or that their audio processor is mono -- both likely consequences of their time as a mono Business Talk station. However, the fact that they are/were transmitting a legitimate 25 Hz C-Quam pilot tone indicates that WWKB does have a functional Stereo exciter and could make full use of it, if the audio chain leading to it was stereo-capable. From stodd@vippn.com Fri Nov 21 13:56:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34929 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 21:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 21:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 21:56:26 -0000 Message-ID: <005401c3b07a$6959d720$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:57:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've known a number of stations where this has happened, and the other reason was as Tom said- the bean counters didn't want them spending the bucks on the exciter. Will you please email them again and ask which reason it is? If it's exciter repair, I'll bet there are a few of us on this list (myself included) who could service it at no charge, just to get them back in stereo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "steveslohb" > Due to the fact they were in stereo at one time and there had been > the pilot light on, the only thing I can assume is the STL system > must be mono. From stodd@vippn.com Fri Nov 21 14:15:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14021 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 22:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 22:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 22:15:24 -0000 Message-ID: <006a01c3b07d$1f018620$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031116125222.30259.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c3ad71$4db01180$827dfea9@home1> <003c01c3adda$80f4aba0$9802a8c0@jimspc> <001601c3aea0$81d5d1e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> <002701c3b033$8b70c4f0$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:01:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude AARGH! I've always had more of the Steely Dan keep it clean and allow a little dynamic range philosophy. I can remember in the early 70s when my favorite top-40 station started compressing their audio to the nth degree, and it drove me away. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > You're also right increasing the range of an AM but running it "squished to > the bejesus". > The first Top 40 station at which I worked sounded just like that, right > down to the spring-reverb! > I loved that sound, and that's probably why still want lots of compression. From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Nov 21 16:47:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40365 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 00:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 00:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 00:47:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:46:59 -0800 Received: from 172.155.84.104 by bay7-dav32.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:46:59 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:40:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2003 00:46:59.0959 (UTC) FILETIME=[233F9870:01C3B092] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >That's most likely the primary reason stereo goes away....the exciter dies, and the bean counters give you a choice of using the $ to do something critical, like replace the tubes in the transmitter, or replacing the exciter. Once upon a time, when I was doing engineering part time at a AM-FM combo, the bean counters wouldn't put a red cent into the AM plant, so the CE and I cheapskated on the FM plant upgrade and service then siphoned off enough money to rebuild the BC-5H and installed a real STL (They had been feeding the AM with a GE Boombox driving the Optimod from the headphone jack!) A few days later the PD said the AM sounded BETTER than the FM did, so they stopped simulcasting and started programming the AM 24/7. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Nov 21 16:52:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75545 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 00:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 00:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 00:52:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:52:37 -0800 Received: from 172.155.84.104 by bay7-dav24.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:52:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:46:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2003 00:52:37.0521 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC737810:01C3B092] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.81 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: >Transmitting a 25 Hz tone over a mono signal (i.e. in the L+R component) will not be detected as a pilot tone and will not switch any radios into AM Stereo mode. Back when WCRS 1450 was running SMN's Stardust format they were using Kahn audio processing and a RCA BTA1S transmitter. The 25Hz automation tones would light the STEREO light in my factory Dodge radio for a second before it went back into Mono. Kevin From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 17:13:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64159 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 01:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 01:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 01:13:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 01:13:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:13:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SRF-A100 vs. SRF-A1 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 682 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 I've been trying to get to the bottom of this for a few days, I'll post it here to see if there's anyone (who hasn't seen this yet) that can help me. Does anyone know how wide the bandwidth for the Sony SRF-A1 Walkman is in "AM Stereo" mode?? Common sense (and the experts) say that since the SRF-A1 has only one ceramic filter, it has to be less wide than the SRF-A100 (which has a bandwidth of 12.5 khz in "Wide AM Stereo" mode)...But a recent comparison I did, using my SRF-A100 and my SRF-A1 shows my A1 to have a rather 'brighter' sound than my A100..Sure, the A100 has a 'bassier' sound, but the A1 wins hands down insofar as high-end frequency response. --tony s. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 17:23:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62000 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 01:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 01:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 01:23:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 01:23:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:23:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: San Fransisco AM Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 176 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Am considering a trip to San Fransisco in the Spring...Are KABL/960 KEST/1450 and KMZT/1510 still Stereo? Any other AM Stereo stations audible from San Fransisco? --tony s. From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Nov 21 17:47:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78246 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 01:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 01:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.122) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 01:47:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:47:14 -0800 Received: from 172.155.84.104 by bay7-dav18.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:47:14 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:40:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2003 01:47:14.0264 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D8AC580:01C3B09A] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.122 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote on 11/21/03 1:49: >Now, if we could just get people to EXPERIMENT with radio. The question is when and why did radio loose its "magic". I think it was when all of the music migrated over from AM to FM. It was cool to sneak the radio under the bed sheets and hook the springs to the antenna terminal and listen to the latest hits and the DJs like Larry Lujack and John "Records" Landecker from another time zone a thousand miles away. Or was it listening to The Greaseman in the morning on WAPE say things that Mama would slap me for repeating?. Or was it all of those cool jingles on the Billboard stations WLAC and WKZQ? And who could forget those WAPE pool parties in the transmitter cooling pool? Or was it that big, boomy AM sound that made every song sound good on my 5 tube Westinghouse? I think it was a combination of those things that made radio "magic". Kevin Remember: Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. From dav259@csiro.au Fri Nov 21 18:04:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28122 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 02:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 02:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 02:04:37 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hAM24Sg1019168 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:04:35 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:04:28 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No Stereo at 'KB? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Originating-IP: 138.194.10.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > As another member said, the real reason for 1520 WWKB transmitting > mono audio (with or without an AM Stereo pilot tone) is either that > their STL is mono, and/or that their audio processor is mono -- both > likely consequences of their time as a mono Business Talk station. I expect this is correct. Our top rating 3AW (owned by Southern Cross) has never had the pilot out since 1985. Even in recent years it has from time to time gone stereo - but as a talk station I think they simply can't see a reason to bother. Southern Cross has become Oz's biggest commercial AM network and its Magic 693 is arguably one of the world's best AMS stations. Of its recent aquisitions 4BC Brisbane is in stereo - and 2UE Sydney is AMS capable - being in stereo less than three years ago. I'm sure that if an AMS renaissance comes soon SC will turn on the stereo on its talk stations - and probably establish a network of stereo music stations like Magic. btw - What has become of the Symphony receivers that were due out about now? It's all very well that there are still heaps of AMS radios in operation in America. But for it to prosper and gain new listeners stereo radios need to be easily available at a reasonable price. Ian Melbourne From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 18:26:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33499 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 02:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 02:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 02:26:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 02:26:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:26:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1318 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Tom Ray wrote: > >That's most likely the primary reason stereo goes away....the exciter dies, > and the bean counters give you a choice of using the $ to do something > critical, like replace the tubes in the transmitter, or replacing the > exciter. > > Once upon a time, when I was doing engineering part time at a AM-FM combo, > the bean counters wouldn't put a red cent into the AM plant, so the CE and I > cheapskated on the FM plant upgrade and service then siphoned off enough > money to rebuild the BC-5H and installed a real STL (They had been feeding > the AM with a GE Boombox driving the Optimod from the headphone jack!) A few > days later the PD said the AM sounded BETTER than the FM did, so they > stopped simulcasting and started programming the AM 24/7. I'm surprised we haven't heard something like: "You wanna spend HOW MUCH on IBOC??" That's what gets me about this gung-ho attitude with going IBOC-- They're eager to plunk down the $130K just for the IBOC equipment, plus licensing fees, but not $10K for a full C-QUAM stereo upgrade, with no licensing fees. I won't get into the relatively large existing base for C-QUAM AM stereo- ~10% is nothing to sneeze at in most markets. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Fri Nov 21 18:29:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7358 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 02:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 02:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 02:29:23 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hAM2TLg1020281 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:29:21 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:29:21 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Bass v Treble In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Originating-IP: 138.194.10.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 22 Nov 2003, Tony S wrote: > I've been trying to get to the bottom of this for a few days, I'll > post it here to see if there's anyone (who hasn't seen this yet) that > can help me. I can't Tony ... but this is an observation. As has been said before. There are very few females on AMS lists. (Of course - God bless Amy.) Is the average female hearing range different to males? Do all of us actually hear different things? Why do all of us hear the stereo when others just hear loudness? Maybe stations are catering to the majority - which is not us. For most of my life when I've had two tone controls I've set the treble to full - and the bass somewhere between zero and half way. When there's only one control I've set it to treble. Maybe it's just my hearing cause I love orchestral rhythms and bass. But even moreso I love those tingly things - and especially strings. CSIRO (God knows why) checks our hearing every 12 months and mine is supposed to be A-OK. I sometimes wonder if maybe I'm hearing more than the next person. I just wish that I and many others could hear more AM stereo! Ian From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 18:34:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95310 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 02:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 02:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 02:34:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 02:34:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:34:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: San Fransisco AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 526 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > Am considering a trip to San Fransisco in the Spring...Are KABL/960 > KEST/1450 and KMZT/1510 still Stereo? Any other AM Stereo stations > audible from San Fransisco? In the immediate San Francisco Bay Area, only KABL and KCBC (770) are in stereo. Sacramento, last I checked, still has 1320 in stereo- I forget the current calls, though. Northern California, in general, is less well-served than other parts of the west coast. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Fri Nov 21 18:40:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74943 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 02:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 02:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 02:40:44 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hAM2ecg1020763 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:40:43 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:40:38 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No Stereo at 'KB? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Originating-IP: 138.194.10.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 22 Nov 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > > That's what gets me about this gung-ho attitude with going IBOC-- > They're eager to plunk down the $130K just for the IBOC equipment, > plus licensing fees, but not $10K for a full C-QUAM stereo upgrade, > with no licensing fees. Amy - I think there's an element of the fashion industry working here. We often don't need new clothes but the marketing guys have to make us feel that we do. Plus - the beancounters in America don't want to adopt a digital system from off-shore (sorry Mario). If only logic could prevail. A system that has served us well for over 80 years is seemingly about to be supplanted by a dog. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 18:55:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37725 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 02:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 02:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 02:55:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 02:55:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:55:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio set Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1778 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Amy Mousie wrote on 11/21/03 1:49: > > >Now, if we could just get people to EXPERIMENT with radio. > > The question is when and why did radio loose its "magic". This is a good question- "When" is easier to pinpoint than "why", but both are valid concerns. No, it wasn't when FM started dominating over AM in 1978, because there were alot of cool stations in almost every genre up until 1987, about the time the RIAA started demanding royalty fees, of which up until then, playing the music was considered free advertizing. This drove many stations to consolidate their musical resources into networks, so only one service pays the fees, which of course eventually led to massive station ownerships. That of course led to talk radio- Talk is cheap, since there weren't any royalty fees, just payuchecks to tender. Still led to networked talent and yet more massive media ownership, since it was cheaper to be on a network than pay voice talent directly. And while the Internet has radio diuversity hands-down, very few of the internet radio stations operate like traditional radio stations with live DJs/announcers, news, talk shows- It's still traditional broadcasting's worst nightmare, because anyone can start a station, and ypu're not limited in area, just server capacity. I will reiterate what I have said before: It wasn't ONE thing that has destroyed radio, but a considerable number of things, caused by at least 2 parties (RIAA & NAB), if not 4 (radio & transmitter manufacturers, including iBiquity, and the FCC). And there is a third (or fifth, dependingf on how you look at it): Listener apathy. Where has the "magic" gone? You tell me! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Nov 21 19:05:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60195 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 03:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 03:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 03:05:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 03:05:24 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81276 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 00:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 00:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 00:43:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 00:42:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:42:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 355 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.90 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 22 Nov 2003 03:05:23 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.89 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" < possumhunter@n...> wrote: > > If you like your AM modulation LOUD, get an Optimod 9000 and do the "Disco > modification" on it, then run it with a spring or plate reverb in front of > it. What exactly does the "Disco" modification do, how does it change the operation of the Optimod 9000? John From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 19:15:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82617 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 03:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 03:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 03:15:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 03:15:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 03:15:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1838 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.90 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Sat, 22 Nov 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > > > > That's what gets me about this gung-ho attitude with going IBOC-- > > They're eager to plunk down the $130K just for the IBOC equipment, > > plus licensing fees, but not $10K for a full C-QUAM stereo upgrade, > > with no licensing fees. > > Amy - I think there's an element of the fashion industry working here. > > We often don't need new clothes but the marketing guys have to make us > feel that we do. How true, that. > Plus - the beancounters in America don't want to adopt a digital system > from off-shore (sorry Mario). Not that DAB is expensive- It really isn't, considering all the facvtors- but a few years back, before the PC/internet boom, there was a fenuine fear about America losing its edge in the high-tech & consumer electronics industries. The only REAL reason Eureka-147 DAB is not adopted here has nothing to do with "cooperating with other stations, losing the ratings advantage", since that's crap on both counts-- In most markets, stations are in cluster ownerships to begin with!- but because E1`47 is not an AMERICAN technology, but *gasp!* EUROPEAN! We can't have THAT, even though Texas Instruments makes most oif the DAB receiver chips in the world-- Go figure! > If only logic could prevail. A system that has served us well for over 80 > years is seemingly about to be supplanted by a dog. It's an example of just how isolationist America really is. I won't say any further, since it strays far from the focus of this group. (Nevermind that analog AM stereo is also an American invention, and I have the 4 patents from AT&T and Western Electric, all filed in 1925, based on a phased-AM SSB patent (filed in 1915 by AT&T), to prove it.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 19:29:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43447 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 03:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 03:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 03:29:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 03:29:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 03:29:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Optimod 9000 "Disco" mod Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 337 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What exactly does the "Disco" modification do, how does it change > the operation of the Optimod 9000? Searching back through the archives here yielded this result: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/message/6806 Quoth that message, "All the 'Disco Modification' did was keep the AGC from pumping as much on bass notes." From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Nov 21 20:34:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53211 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 04:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 04:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 04:34:55 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031122043453.CVBR3322.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:34:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:35:11 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <42288B5C-1CA5-11D8-989E-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.244 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not made by Lucas, is it? (insert British car joke here). On Friday, November 21, 2003, at 07:15 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > but because E1`47 > is not an AMERICAN technology, but *gasp!* EUROPEAN! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Nov 21 21:15:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9215 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 05:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 05:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 05:15:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:15:44 -0800 Received: from 172.155.84.104 by bay7-dav51.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 05:15:44 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031116125222.30259.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c3ad71$4db01180$827dfea9@home1> <003c01c3adda$80f4aba0$9802a8c0@jimspc> <001601c3aea0$81d5d1e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> <002701c3b033$8b70c4f0$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:09:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2003 05:15:44.0638 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE4E59E0:01C3B0B7] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jim Burgan wrote: > The first Top 40 station at which I worked sounded just like that, right > down to the spring-reverb! > I loved that sound, and that's probably why still want lots of compression. Now if you want that classic "FLAME THROWER" sound, run a CBS Audimax into an Orban Spring Reverb into a Texar Audio Prism or DAP 310 into a BL-40. This will give you the sound that you remember on "Big 10" WCFL and "The Big Ape" WAPE. You want to just let the Audimax keep the levels even for the reverb, then set the reverb so it is just enough to be irritating on dry talk with no music bed. Now set the DAP 310 so it is compressing more than expanding, then crank up the BL-40 untill the pumping gets irritating, then back off just a tad. If you are more into the WNOE or KOIL sound, use a Volumax instead of the BL-40. WQOK 1440 won the loud wars with a DAP-310 driving an Orban spring reverb driving an Optimod 9000 with the disco mod into a Harris BC-5H. The runner up in that loud war was WHYZ 1070 running a Audimax into an Optimod 9000 in to a Gates VP-50. The other station in that loud war was WFIS with a Hamilton Industries Mod-U-Level driving a Hamilton Industries EQ into a BL-40 into a Gates BC-1F. That is what Top-40 sounded like in Greenville, SC. The reason WQOK beat WHYZ was the VP-50 would arc if the positive peaks went over 110%. WQOK's BC-5H would go 140% Positive with ease! Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Nov 21 21:22:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18853 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 05:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 05:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.123) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 05:22:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:22:51 -0800 Received: from 172.155.84.104 by bay7-dav19.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 05:22:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031116125222.30259.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c3ad71$4db01180$827dfea9@home1> <003c01c3adda$80f4aba0$9802a8c0@jimspc> <001601c3aea0$81d5d1e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> <002701c3b033$8b70c4f0$9802a8c0@jimspc> <006a01c3b07d$1f018620$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:16:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2003 05:22:51.0897 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACF8E690:01C3B0B8] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.123 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > AARGH! I've always had more of the Steely Dan keep it clean and allow a little dynamic range philosophy. With Steely Dan music, I can see that. The "Compress it 'till the modulator tubes implode" sound is best for disco and R&B. It will never sound good with a soft rock, MOR, Country, or Big Band station. For Classical, I would use a Audimax driving a Volumax running at a relaxed setting. A DAP-310 sounds great with Big Band. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Nov 21 21:28:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81370 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 05:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 05:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.111) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 05:28:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:28:20 -0800 Received: from 172.155.84.104 by bay7-dav7.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 05:28:20 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:21:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2003 05:28:20.0479 (UTC) FILETIME=[70D288F0:01C3B0B9] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.10.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 bta_50g wrote: > What exactly does the "Disco" modification do, how does it change the operation of the Optimod 9000? The disco modification made the first stage AGC ignore the heavy bass notes. This was done because the first generation Optimod 9000 would pump and suck when playing the Bass heavy disco music of the late 70s. All AM Optimods from the 9000a up came from the factory "Disco compatible". Kevinh From tomray@wor710.com Sat Nov 22 18:30:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39516 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 02:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 02:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 02:30:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2003 02:30:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 02:30:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1223 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.87 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray You're right.....it's been a while since I've been involved with a C- QUAM exciter. At least they're not changing the frequency on the pilot to 15Hz. T --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > It could also be that the exciter died, and they are simply > > generating a 25Hz tone and injecting it into the audio to light > > the light. > > That wouldn't work, because the pilot tone needs to be phase- > modulated, i.e. injected into the L-R component of the AM Stereo > signal. Transmitting a 25 Hz tone over a mono signal (i.e. in the > L+R component) will not be detected as a pilot tone and will not > switch any radios into AM Stereo mode. > > As another member said, the real reason for 1520 WWKB transmitting > mono audio (with or without an AM Stereo pilot tone) is either that > their STL is mono, and/or that their audio processor is mono -- both > likely consequences of their time as a mono Business Talk station. > > However, the fact that they are/were transmitting a legitimate 25 Hz > C-Quam pilot tone indicates that WWKB does have a functional Stereo > exciter and could make full use of it, if the audio chain leading to > it was stereo-capable. From tomray@wor710.com Sat Nov 22 18:31:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15469 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 02:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 02:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 02:31:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2003 02:31:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 02:31:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1223 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.92 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray You're right.....it's been a while since I've been involved with a C- QUAM exciter. At least they're not changing the frequency on the pilot to 15Hz. T --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > It could also be that the exciter died, and they are simply > > generating a 25Hz tone and injecting it into the audio to light > > the light. > > That wouldn't work, because the pilot tone needs to be phase- > modulated, i.e. injected into the L-R component of the AM Stereo > signal. Transmitting a 25 Hz tone over a mono signal (i.e. in the > L+R component) will not be detected as a pilot tone and will not > switch any radios into AM Stereo mode. > > As another member said, the real reason for 1520 WWKB transmitting > mono audio (with or without an AM Stereo pilot tone) is either that > their STL is mono, and/or that their audio processor is mono -- both > likely consequences of their time as a mono Business Talk station. > > However, the fact that they are/were transmitting a legitimate 25 Hz > C-Quam pilot tone indicates that WWKB does have a functional Stereo > exciter and could make full use of it, if the audio chain leading to > it was stereo-capable. From tomray@wor710.com Sat Nov 22 18:42:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26861 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 02:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 02:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 02:42:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2003 02:42:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 02:42:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kenwood HD Radio Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 968 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.76 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Got the Kenwood HD installed in the Explorer today....relatively painless to do...and it's been a while since I've installed a car radio. Last time, wedging under the dashboard was involved to wire it upside down. This is from Kenwood's high end line. If the Kenwood is Sirius ready, it will take the HD module. The HD module ended up in the glove box so I can access the RCA jacks on it for recording audio. I didn't have time to take it for a drive, and where I live (just beyond the 1/2mV line in the null), the signal is really noisy....the analog barely comes through, never mind the digital. I'll be out and about with it either tomorrow or definately on the drive in Monday. If ya wanna see it, http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/Kenwood/kenwood.shtml TR PS - sorry for the double post before....for some reason the page after clicking 'send' didn't appear, so I tried refreshing that page...and it apparrently sent a second note. T From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 20:10:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48857 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 04:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 04:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 04:10:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2003 04:10:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 04:10:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1659 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Actually... if I wanted to broadcast in AM Stereo, I would want to play music with pitches as low as in http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/pianosongs1/idktb290-endfadeout.mp3 would I have to change the pilot tone? or would I be able to use a 25Hz pilot and still play those low tones on a part 15 am stereo station? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > You're right.....it's been a while since I've been involved with a C- > QUAM exciter. At least they're not changing the frequency on the > pilot to 15Hz. > > T > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > It could also be that the exciter died, and they are simply > > > generating a 25Hz tone and injecting it into the audio to light > > > the light. > > > > That wouldn't work, because the pilot tone needs to be phase- > > modulated, i.e. injected into the L-R component of the AM Stereo > > signal. Transmitting a 25 Hz tone over a mono signal (i.e. in the > > L+R component) will not be detected as a pilot tone and will not > > switch any radios into AM Stereo mode. > > > > As another member said, the real reason for 1520 WWKB transmitting > > mono audio (with or without an AM Stereo pilot tone) is either that > > their STL is mono, and/or that their audio processor is mono -- > both > > likely consequences of their time as a mono Business Talk station. > > > > However, the fact that they are/were transmitting a legitimate 25 > Hz > > C-Quam pilot tone indicates that WWKB does have a functional Stereo > > exciter and could make full use of it, if the audio chain leading > to > > it was stereo-capable. From stodd@vippn.com Sat Nov 22 20:39:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18135 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 04:39:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 04:39:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 04:39:29 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c3b17b$f28b1200$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:40:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Originally that WAS a concern. The big AM and FMs didn't want the 250w AM peanut whistles on an even playing field with them. This was before 1996, however. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > The only REAL reason Eureka-147 DAB is not adopted here has nothing > to do with "cooperating with other stations, losing the ratings > advantage", since that's crap on both counts-- In most markets, > stations are in cluster ownerships to begin with!- From stodd@vippn.com Sat Nov 22 21:01:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64086 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 05:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 05:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 05:01:05 -0000 Message-ID: <004d01c3b17e$f49c8580$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:53:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No idea. I suspect Symphony is nothing more than their brand of Digiceiver, since Motorola was making the chips for Blaupunkt. It's just that they were prevented from marketing it themselves for a few years. Should be easy enough for them to get it out to the public if my hunch is correct. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" > > btw - What has become of the Symphony receivers that were due out about > now? From stodd@vippn.com Sat Nov 22 21:01:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86633 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 05:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 05:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 05:01:08 -0000 Message-ID: <004e01c3b17e$f604a100$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bass v Treble Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:55:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yes- they tend to have better high freq. hearing, and they lose the low freq. end of things faster as they age than men do. They're also less tolerant of distortion. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" > Is the average female hearing range different to males? From stodd@vippn.com Sat Nov 22 21:02:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36981 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 05:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 05:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 05:01:02 -0000 Message-ID: <004c01c3b17e$f386cfc0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:50:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Without the 25Hz pilot tone, no radio that requires it will trip into stereo. Even most FM exciters won't handle stuff that low- drives the AFC batty. Anything within a few Hz of the pilot tone would likely cause erratic stereo in all but the best built receivers. There comes a time when you just have to say "Fuhgettaboutit." Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > Actually... if I wanted to broadcast in AM Stereo, I would want to > play music with pitches as low as in > http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/pianosongs1/idktb290-endfadeout.mp3 > would I have to change the pilot tone? or would I be able to use a > 25Hz pilot and still play those low tones on a part 15 am stereo station? > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Nov 22 21:10:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 607 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 05:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 05:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 05:10:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2003 05:10:09 -0000 Date: 23 Nov 2003 05:10:09 -0000 Message-ID: <1069564209.3233.69866.w80@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.92 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /25Hz.mp3 Uploaded by : amymousie Description : This is what a 25 Hz tone sounds like. The actual C-QUAM pilot tone is substantially quieter than this. Most musical instruments don't get this low. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/25Hz.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, amymousie From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 21:29:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82596 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 05:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 05:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 05:29:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2003 05:29:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 05:28:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c3b17b$f28b1200$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 449 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Originally that WAS a concern. The big AM and FMs didn't want the 250w AM > peanut whistles on an even playing field with them. This was before 1996, > however. Around here, we gave stations from 15W to 28kW, and it doesn't make one bit of difference around here- They all get listened, and being the biggest blowtorch has not amounted to much, here. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 22:03:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25145 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 06:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 06:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 06:03:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2003 06:03:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 06:03:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No Stereo at 'KB? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 161 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.84 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > Around here, we gave stations from (...) "have" Damn typos. :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 22:11:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35151 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 06:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 06:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 06:11:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2003 06:11:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 06:11:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: pilot tones, Kahn POWER-Side, etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 985 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.105 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You're right.....it's been a while since I've been involved with a > C-QUAM exciter. At least they're not changing the frequency on the > pilot to 15Hz. I don't think a C-QUAM exciter can even be tweaked to put out a 15 Hz pilot tone, at least not without serious modification. Now, if they were a Kahn POWER-Side station, then a 15 Hz pilot tone would be available at the flip of a switch. In NYC, 1280 WADO is transmitting POWER-Side (on the right channel/upper sideband) with the Kahn pilot tone enabled, while 1600 WWRL is transmitting it (also on the upper sideband) without the pilot tone. On my Sony STR-AV470 multi-system tuner, when I tune in WADO, it switches to "Stereo" mode and the POWER-Side effect is heard, with the right channel being louder and containing more bass, and the left channel being quieter and carrying mostly treble. (I believe the POWER-Side effect only acts upon audio below 5 kHz, as otherwise it wouldn't fit into the NRSC mask.) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 22:19:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80082 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 06:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 06:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 06:19:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2003 06:19:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 06:18:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kenwood HD Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 804 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.105 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/Kenwood/kenwood.shtml As expected, Kenwood's specs say nothing about the frequency response of the analog AM tuner. Blaupunkt was the last aftermarket car radio manufacturer to do that -- they even touted their radios' "Superior AM Frequency Response". Now, though, their radios are just as cheap and video-game-like as the other brands, except for the expensive DigiCeiver models -- a DSP-based receiver design which is very similar to Motorola's "Symphony" chipset. > PS - sorry for the double post before....for some reason the page > after clicking 'send' didn't appear, so I tried refreshing that > page...and it apparrently sent a second note. Members can delete their own posts... just bring it up on the screen and click the "Delete" link. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 22:27:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72924 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 06:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 06:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 06:27:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2003 06:27:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 06:27:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: How low can you go? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 926 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.75 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Actually... if I wanted to broadcast in AM Stereo, I would want to > play music with pitches as low as in > http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/pianosongs1/idktb290-endfadeout.mp3 > would I have to change the pilot tone? or would I be able to use a > 25Hz pilot and still play those low tones on a part 15 am stereo > station? It really depends on the frequency response of your audio source, your audio processing, and your transmitter. A cheap computer sound card isn't going to put out much audio below 50 Hz or so anyway, and even high-end equipment is going to need a lot of "oomph" to put out a lot of energy below 30 Hz. So by the time it gets to your transmitter, it shouldn't cause much trouble. At worst, stray audio tones interfereing with the 25 Hz C-Quam pilot tone would make the receiver drop to mono. I don't think it could cause much other trouble, though, unless you start to overmodulate the signal. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 22:31:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53356 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 06:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 06:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 06:31:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2003 06:31:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 06:31:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: How low can you go? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004c01c3b17e$f386cfc0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 468 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Anything within a few Hz of the pilot tone would likely cause > erratic stereo in all but the best built receivers. There comes a > time when you just have to say "Fuhgettaboutit." FWIW, the spec sheet for the MC13022 and MC13122 C-Quam decoders say these chips only respond to a pilot tone between 24.4 and 25.6 Hz. Motorola calls this a "noise-immune" pilot tone detector, and it is true that "falsing" is much less of a problem with these newer decoders. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 22:42:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6391 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 06:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 06:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 06:42:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2003 06:42:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 06:42:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1069564209.3233.69866.w80@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1052 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Description : This is what a 25 Hz tone sounds like. The actual > C-QUAM pilot tone is substantially quieter than this. Most musical > instruments don't get this low. BTW, that audio clip is a good way to test the "Subsonic Filter", if your audio amp has one. My Technics receiver does, and without it engaged, I could hear the "thumping" even in a cheap pair of headphones... but with the filter engaged, the thumping went away completely. I don't hear any difference with normal music, though, so the filter probably only cuts out audio below 40 or 50 Hz. One silly trick is to take the grilles off your speakers and then play that 25 Hz tone with the subsonic filter off... you'll actually see the speaker cones fluttering in and out. I remember when my friend's receiver had a messed-up phono pre-amp that would generate a subsonic tone like that... when he accidentally hit the Phono button at normal music listening volume, I must've seen a good half-inch of excursion from the cones of his old AR speakers (1960s vintage!). From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 03:43:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30332 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 11:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 11:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 11:43:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20031123114332.15817.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 03:43:32 PST Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 03:43:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kenwood HD Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.109.118.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I noticed the AM sensitivity specs were not very good. I guess this is just the very mediocre AM section slightly modified for IBOC. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Nov 23 06:18:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83885 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 14:18:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 14:18:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 14:18:25 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-002scfairp2542.dialsprint.net ([63.184.201.0] helo=earthlink.net) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ANv4C-00016n-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 06:18:25 -0800 Message-ID: <3FC0C1B6.BCE243C8@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 09:18:30 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kenwood HD Radio References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dick W X-Originating-IP: 207.217.120.49 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I noticed that the manufacturer's specs on WOR's website did not give the analog AM frequency response. I'll bet that Kenwood has put the lowest possible quality into the analog AM section (even though analog AM can sound great with a good quality AM section!) Dick W. Tom Ray wrote: > Got the Kenwood HD installed in the Explorer today....relatively > painless to do...and it's been a while since I've installed a car > radio. Last time, wedging under the dashboard was involved to wire > it upside down. > > This is from Kenwood's high end line. If the Kenwood is Sirius > ready, it will take the HD module. The HD module ended up in the > glove box so I can access the RCA jacks on it for recording audio. > > I didn't have time to take it for a drive, and where I live (just > beyond the 1/2mV line in the null), the signal is really noisy....the > analog barely comes through, never mind the digital. I'll be out and > about with it either tomorrow or definately on the drive in Monday. > > If ya wanna see it, > > http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/Kenwood/kenwood.shtml > > TR > > PS - sorry for the double post before....for some reason the page > after clicking 'send' didn't appear, so I tried refreshing that > page...and it apparrently sent a second note. > T > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Nov 23 07:02:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27151 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 15:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 15:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 15:02:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 07:02:22 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 15:02:22 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kenwood HD Radio Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 15:02:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2003 15:02:22.0893 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC8395D0:01C3B1D2] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: 64.4.11.69 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Dick Wheeler of Tampa wrote: "I noticed that the manufacturer's specs on WOR's website did not give the analog AM frequency response. I'll bet that Kenwood has put the lowest possible quality into the analog AM section (even though analog AM can sound great with a good quality AM section!)" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My thoughts exactly! The manufacturers are going to have a hard time selling the IBOC capable radios if the analogue a.m. sounds better, so they will no doubt do everything in their power to have the analogue a.m. section sound crappy, to give the IBOC a chance to sound less crappy.(excuse my French/freedom!). donn st petersburg,fl _________________________________________________________________ Has one of the new viruses infected your computer? Find out with a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 09:05:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50804 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 17:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2003 17:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 17:05:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2003 17:05:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:05:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kenwood HD Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3FC0C1B6.BCE243C8@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 511 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.90 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > (even though analog AM can sound > great with a good quality AM section!) You should hear the wonderful airchecks of WBSR/1450 Pensacola, Fla. I made recently to DAT with my GE Superadio III in "Wide" mode....And they're not even in Stereo!!! Anyways, Tom (or anyone who knows the answer), HD-capable radios are slated to be released by the end of the year (or that's the plan)...Are they going to be car radios only, or will there also be home tuners/receivers available before year's end? --tony s. From jimsmith@vfr.net Sun Nov 23 21:52:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99887 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 05:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 05:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 05:52:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2003 05:52:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 05:52:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kenwood HD Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 740 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > (even though analog AM can sound > > great with a good quality AM section!) > > You should hear the wonderful airchecks of WBSR/1450 Pensacola, Fla. > I made recently to DAT with my GE Superadio III in "Wide" mode....And > they're not even in Stereo!!! > > Anyways, Tom (or anyone who knows the answer), HD-capable radios are > slated to be released by the end of the year (or that's the > plan)...Are they going to be car radios only, or will there also be > home tuners/receivers available before year's end? > > --tony s. I,d bet its going to be a little like Xm Radio where you have a small tuner and you can go from car to home to boom box. Jim S From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Nov 23 21:54:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48056 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 05:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 05:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 05:54:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2003 05:54:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 05:54:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kenwood HD Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 972 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio I am amazed at how bad consumer electronics are today. My Blaupunkt (with Digiceiver) died over the weekend after just 9 months. The replacement... a Pioneer... leaves alot to be desired (clean but narrow AM section, FM blending which sounds like a misaligned head and controls which are too complex). But Kenwood. Kenwood could be the worst car tuners of all. I had one before I got the new car and the Blaupunkt. Both AM and FM overload in high RF fields and are useless. You keep the pilot and lose FM seperation way too early. The amp sounds like garbage... buttons are flimsy. You couldn't pay me to demo anything from Kenwood... which hasn't made anything decent since this: http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/L-02T.jpg Seriously, I love that audio response is missing from the analog specs. How nice that they don't want to tell you it bottoms out at 3500 Hz. But be it Kenwood, Sony, Pioneer, JVC... they're all a shadow of what they once were. From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Nov 23 22:18:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46733 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 06:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 06:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 06:18:40 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031124061831.ZANP8432.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:18:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:18:57 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <15FC5AE3-1E46-11D8-BABF-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.125 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Because everyone always wants a low price. Not quality; the low price. On everything: pizza, televisions, stereos ... it's all junk now (well, most of it), but at least its cheap! And in exchange for all that cheapness, the good decent-paying jobs are going overseas. Eventually, the average person wouldn't be able to afford anything good even if it was available. I put my Marantz 2215B -- their low model of the 2200 series -- connected to some JBL Lancer 77s. Sounds wonderful. Even though the AM tuner supposedly tops out at 3500 Hz, or something like that, it must go higher ... it actually sounds decent. I would convert it to AM stereo if there were any AM stereo stations in the Los Angeles area worth listening to (KLAC? K-SURF? Are you listening?). On Sunday, November 23, 2003, at 09:54 PM, wgliradio wrote: > But be it Kenwood, Sony, Pioneer, JVC... they're all a shadow of > what they once were. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 23:02:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86818 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 07:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 07:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 07:02:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2003 07:02:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:02:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kenwood HD Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 411 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.69 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > I am amazed at how bad consumer electronics are today. My =snip= > But be it Kenwood, Sony, Pioneer, JVC... they're all a shadow of > what they once were. Radio manufacturing today is a travesty, a joke. It couldn't BE any worse. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Now that I said THAT, someoned will come up and say, "Yes it can!") From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Nov 23 23:13:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: AMstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58890 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 07:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 07:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 07:13:34 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031124071323.BAMO9010.fed1mtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 02:13:23 -0500 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:13:51 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Subject: OT: LARP - Kennedy Assassination at KLIF-Dallas, 40 Years Ago To: AMstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Originating-IP: 68.6.19.123 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Way off topic, but worth promoting. You might consider sending over some of the AM stereo airchecks you have if they seem to match what reelradio.com is doing. Perhaps get more people on the bandwagon! Begin forwarded message: > > It begins at 11:30 am as KLIF interrupts programming for news director > Joe Long and his pool coverage from Love Field (which was featured on > all the other DFW stations. They allowed only one pool reporter). This > goes to a little before noon when DJ on duty Larry Wilson resumes his > show. Gary Delaune does the normal noon five minute newscast and then > it's on to The Rex Jones show. He started at KLIF the previous Monday, > so this was his fifth show. Talk about a welcome! Everything is still > normal till 12:30, Delaune does the half hour headlines and Jones > continues his dj show. > > As we all know, the shooting occurred at exactly 12:30 ...the first > bulletin of any kind cleared on UPI's "A-wire". (there was an "A" wire > and "UPR - UPI for radio" wire service at the time). KLIF had UPR. > Usually only networks, TV and newspapers had both the "A" wire and > "UPR". > > The first bulletin phoned in from Merriman Smith from the motorcade > press car radio-telephone went out at 12:34 pm. The first bulletin on > UPR cleared at 12:38, mainly because they had difficulty getting on > the wire. The UPR national wire service was on a "split" - meaning > Chicago headquarters split the national feed to regional offices for > feeding of regional stories - to reclaim it was not an easy task. Once > it was accomplished, KLIF and other broadcast outlets saw the first > bulletin and moments later the FLASH (used only in cases of extreme > newsworthiness). > > Gary Delaune tells me that he finished his headlines at 12:30 and the > first he heard of anything was a newsroom hotline call from an unknown > someone who asked "What do you know about shots being fired at the > president's motorcade?" Delaune said "I haven't heard anything"...the > caller hung up. > > With that Delaune rolled tape and called Dallas police dispatch, where > the spokeperson, Mrs. Tripton, informed him, "Yes, we have reports". > Delaune signalled the control room for a bulletin and put on the first > KLIF bulletin at 12:38 of "reports of shots fired at the motorcade". > > From there, Joe Long, who was by now stuck in downtown traffic left > over from the motorcade and commotion, began doing two way reports > from his newscruiser and after several bulletins interrupting Jones' > dj show, KLIF went to non-stop breaking news coverage. > > The exhibit currently on REELRADIO begins with Delaune's first > bulletin, and concludes shortly after the FLASH of JFK's death > officially being announced. > > From there, the tapes continue with Joe Long and Gordon McLendon > co-anchoring coverage on KLIF throughout the afternoon and evening. > The tapes go till after 10pm non-stop. > > The tapes are fair-to-good quality, but certainly listenable. There is > some ghosting from the tape sitting on a spool for years but again, > it's only a minor distraction occasionally. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Sun Nov 23 23:26:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84458 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 07:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 07:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 07:26:17 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hAO7QEg1029702 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:26:16 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:26:14 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Originating-IP: 138.194.10.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > > But be it Kenwood, Sony, Pioneer, JVC... they're all a shadow of > > what they once were. > > Radio manufacturing today is a travesty, a joke. It couldn't BE any > worse. :( Yes it could ... Ian. <:8 }~~9~ :) I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members. - Groucho Marx (1890-1977) From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Mon Nov 24 05:21:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78052 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 13:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 13:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.122) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 13:21:53 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-002scfairp0479.dialsprint.net ([63.184.201.225] helo=earthlink.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AOGf2-0004Te-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 05:21:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3FC205F7.38ABFEC2@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:21:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dick W X-Originating-IP: 207.217.120.122 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Interestingly, some of the car radio AM sections still sound good. My 2001 Ford Ranger pickup truck radio has a very good-sounding AM section (although not AMS). Dick W. Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" > wrote: > > I am amazed at how bad consumer electronics are today. My > > =snip= > > > But be it Kenwood, Sony, Pioneer, JVC... they're all a shadow of > > what they once were. > > Radio manufacturing today is a travesty, a joke. It couldn't BE any > worse. :( > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Now that I said THAT, someoned will come up and say, "Yes it can!") > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Nov 24 07:17:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79629 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 15:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 15:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 15:17:38 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.3e.382cb201 (3850) for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:17:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3e.382cb201.2cf37b0c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:17:32 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No Stereo at 'KB? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/21/03 7:56:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 possumhunter@netzero.net writes: > Kevin T. wrote: > >Transmitting a 25 Hz tone over a mono signal (i.e. in the L+R component) > will not be detected as a pilot tone and will not switch any radios into= AM > Stereo mode. >=20 > Back when WCRS 1450 was running SMN's Stardust format they were using Kah= n > audio processing and a RCA BTA1S transmitter. The 25Hz automation tones > would light the STEREO light in my factory Dodge radio for a second befor= e > it went back into Mono. >=20 > Kevin >=20 A few reasons why just transmitting an audio tone of 25hz might not be=20 detected as a pilot tone: 1.Some processors cut off the extreme low end so that any broadcast audio=20 does not effect the 25hz pilot tone being sent out be the exciter. 2. Go from a sine wave to a square wave 25hz tone and see what happens Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 10:39:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30431 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 18:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 18:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 18:39:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20031124183646.45101.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:36:46 PST Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:36:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Wider AM Bandwidth for an RAZ radio is only a soldering iron away To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Originating-IP: 216.136.172.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Fellow radio listeners who care about Quality AM Radio Reception: I was feeling brave this weekend so I tore-apart a Chrysler " RAZ " model AM Stereo / FM Stereo / CD / Cassette unit; the one with two tabs, not the rounded model. I replaced the stock I.F. filter with a wider I.F. filter scrounged from a broken older Chrysler receiver. While the bandwidth does not adjust automatically like it does on the older units, it did provide wider bandwidth AM reception. Suprisingly, it didn't add a whole lot more on the top end, but it did add quite a bit of bass back in that was lacking as well as a tiny bit on the top end. If anybody's interested, I'll write-up directions for the change. As always, mileage may vary depending on the unit. It's quite possible that there's a low-pass filter that I'm fighting against for the higher audio frequency response? Does anybody have a schematic for any of the Chrysler AM Stereo radios - old or new?? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 14:32:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8752 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 22:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 22:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 22:32:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2003 22:32:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:32:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Gates 500-D transmitter on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 96 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.87 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Looks like an oldie but goodie: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3059438811 From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 14:45:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 668 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 22:45:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 22:45:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 22:45:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2003 22:45:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:45:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kenwood HD Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15FC5AE3-1E46-11D8-BABF-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1277 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.68 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Because everyone always wants a low price. Not quality; the low price. > On everything: pizza, televisions, stereos ... it's all junk now (well, > most of it), but at least its cheap! And in exchange for all that > cheapness, the good decent-paying jobs are going overseas. Eventually, > the average person wouldn't be able to afford anything good even if it > was available. > > I put my Marantz 2215B -- their low model of the 2200 series -- > connected to some JBL Lancer 77s. Sounds wonderful. Even though the AM > tuner supposedly tops out at 3500 Hz, or something like that, it must > go higher ... it actually sounds decent. I would convert it to AM > stereo if there were any AM stereo stations in the Los Angeles area > worth listening to (KLAC? K-SURF? Are you listening?). I listen to KDIS from El Cajon, CA, even though the signal is fringe during the daytime and I get 2nd-adjacent-channel interference from a 10kW 1130 about 8-10 miles away... > > > On Sunday, November 23, 2003, at 09:54 PM, wgliradio wrote: > > > But be it Kenwood, Sony, Pioneer, JVC... they're all a shadow of > > what they once were. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 15:02:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66385 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 22:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 22:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 22:59:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2003 22:58:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:58:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: MetroSound-clone found! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 191 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.87 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Lookie here... it's our old friend, the MetroSound multi-system AM Stereo converter, under a different brand name ("ProLine"): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3059781418 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 15:16:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99987 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 23:16:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 23:16:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 23:16:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2003 23:14:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:14:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kenwood scraps plans for home IBOC tuner (?) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 833 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.87 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics In investigating Kenwood's IBOC tuner module, I found a reference to a home-model receiver with IBOC that Kenwood was supposed to be introducing this Fall. A web search reveals that it *was* mentioned on this web page: http://www.kenwoodusa.com/excelon/excelonHDRadio.jsp However, if you go there now, the following blurb has mysteriously been deleted from the site... perhaps because plans for the home IBOC tuner have been scrapped? "In the home, the new DT-9000HD (available fall 2003) is the first HD Radio tuner that connects directly to your home entertainment system, receives all FM and AM stations in both digital and analog, and is also smart enough to automatically switch between the two signal types." That now-deleted description can be found by using Google's cache of the page: http://tinyurl.com/we9f From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Nov 24 16:47:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2419 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 00:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 00:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 00:44:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2003 00:44:34 -0000 Date: 25 Nov 2003 00:44:32 -0000 Message-ID: <1069721072.607.36474.w77@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.105 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /RAZ_Modify_TXT.txt Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : Modification - Chrysler RAZ Bandwidth You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/RAZ_Modify_TXT.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, toledohamradio From stodd@vippn.com Mon Nov 24 17:27:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32582 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 01:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 01:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 01:26:58 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c3b2f3$646762c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031124183646.45101.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wider AM Bandwidth for an RAZ radio is only a soldering iron away Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:57:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Originating-IP: 204.2.35.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've got a few- one each from 86, 88 and 91, IIRC. These are photocopies so any copy of them won't be the greatest. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." To: Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:36 PM Subject: {AMSF} Wider AM Bandwidth for an RAZ radio is only a soldering iron away > Fellow radio listeners who care about Quality AM Radio Reception: > > I was feeling brave this weekend so I tore-apart a Chrysler " RAZ " model AM > Stereo / FM Stereo / CD / Cassette unit; the one with two tabs, not the rounded > model. > I replaced the stock I.F. filter with a wider I.F. filter scrounged from a > broken older Chrysler receiver. While the bandwidth does not adjust > automatically like it does on the older units, it did provide wider bandwidth > AM reception. Suprisingly, it didn't add a whole lot more on the top end, but > it did add quite a bit of bass back in that was lacking as well as a tiny bit > on the top end. > If anybody's interested, I'll write-up directions for the change. As always, > mileage may vary depending on the unit. It's quite possible that there's a > low-pass filter that I'm fighting against for the higher audio frequency > response? > > Does anybody have a schematic for any of the Chrysler AM Stereo radios - old or > new?? > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Nov 24 19:20:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48931 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 03:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 03:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.9) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 03:18:29 -0000 Received: from logs-wg.proxy.aol.com (logs-wg.proxy.aol.com [205.188.196.5]) by rly-ip05.mx.aol.com (v95.1) with ESMTP id RELAYIN10-b3fc2c9fa333; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:18:18 -0400 Received: from ibm (AC8EF740.ipt.aol.com [172.142.247.64]) by logs-wg.proxy.aol.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hAP3F7XL274545 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 03:15:08 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 03:15:07 GMT Message-ID: <001501c3b300$cbbdeea0$40f78eac@aoldsl.net> To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kenwood HD Radio MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Apparently-From: DodgeRamTrucker@aol.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.196.5 From: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 wgliradio wrote on 11/24/03 0:54: >I am amazed at how bad consumer electronics are today.=20=20 Agreed, Even the Panasonic stuff from the '70s will blow away today's "High= End" electronics. > >My Blaupunkt (with Digiceiver) died over the weekend after just 9 months.= =20 Gee, my Blaupunkt Monterey (1984 vintage) still sounds good driving my Blau= punk "Blue Magic" speakers in my Jeep! > >The replacement... a Pioneer... leaves alot to be desired (clean but narro= w AM section, FM blending which sounds like a misaligned head and controls = which are too complex). You can open up the Pioneer and kill the blend on the FM by adjustiug one p= ot. > >But Kenwood. Kenwood could be the worst car tuners of all.=20 > >But be it Kenwood, Sony, Pioneer, JVC... they're all a shadow of what they= once were. Sad, but true. I have a pair of Pioneer HPM-60 speakers from the 1970s. Wow= ! what sound. Nothing from Pioneer sounds like that any more. Dittos with m= y Realistic Mach 1 speakers in my home studio. Kenwood makes me mad. They m= ake some of the best HAM and Shortwave radios money will buy, but the Car A= udio tuners suck. Aiwa makes a better tuner than you would expect. The factory Toyota install= ed Fujitsu-Ten AM-FM-CD-Tape in my 2001 Tacoma has a killer tuner, too bad = the AM is mono. Kevin Remember: Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get y= ou. From amstereorules@msn.com Mon Nov 24 23:33:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35309 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 07:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 07:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 07:33:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2003 07:33:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:33:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Wider AM Bandwidth for an RAZ radio is only a soldering iron away Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c3b2f3$646762c0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 630 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules Can you scan and post to the files section? If not, can you tell us what parts and values hang from the decoder chip, and route taken to the speakers? I have diagrams from the 1986 and 1995 GM Delco AM stereo systems. There is a large value capacitor across each output from the Motorola decoder, that reduces the highs quite a bit on the 1995 model (this is the one with the variable AM bandwidth, even on mono stations, based on signal strength). - Regards, Mario (no offense taken Ian). >I've got a few- one each from 86, 88 and 91, IIRC. These are >photocopies so any copy of them won't be the greatest. > > ST From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Nov 25 02:07:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18147 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 10:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 10:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 10:07:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2003 10:07:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:07:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hear the AM Stereo Advantage! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 306 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.76 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Here's one great A-B aircheck, using two radio stations playing the same song - one in Mono (i1197) and AM Stereo (4AK 1242) Kevin T, you will love this as it's a real off-air test - you can *really* hear the difference stereo makes! ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/1197-M-vs-4AK-S.mp3 From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Nov 25 02:27:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99702 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 10:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 10:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 10:27:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2003 10:27:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:27:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DAB vs IBOC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 699 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.73 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 After posting the simulated IBOC audio samples a while ago, I thought I'd create some Eureka-147 DAB samples - 192kbit MP2 Discrete Stereo I can't tell the difference between these and the source WAV files! ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/dab/whats_up-192.mp2 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/dab/yesterday-192.mp2 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/dab/linger-192.mp2 It's amazing what is achievable using moderate audio compression with a high quality codec (no SBR here!) I'm hoping when Digital Radio launches in Oz, 192kbit/s is mandated as the minimum bitrate for Stereo broadcasts. This would allow 6 192kbit/s stations on a multiplex, and one 128kbit/s Mono station. :) From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 02:56:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93144 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 10:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 10:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 10:56:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2003 10:56:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:56:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DAB vs IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 318 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.75 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bofh2k2000" wrote: > After posting the simulated IBOC audio samples a while ago, I thought > I'd create some Eureka-147 DAB samples - 192kbit MP2 Discrete Stereo Just remember, that the DAB audio standard is for a 48kHz sample rate. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Nov 25 03:08:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28381 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 11:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 11:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 11:08:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2003 11:08:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:08:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DAB vs IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 326 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.90 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Oh yeah :) I've never really worked that one out, as the samples I used were 44.1 as they were taken off a CD by the guys at WOR. I can't imagine 48khz sampling would make an audible improvement for audio taken off a CD? > Just remember, that the DAB audio standard is for a 48kHz sample > rate. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 10:26:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99513 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 18:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 18:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 18:26:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2003 18:26:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:26:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DAB vs IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2909 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.93 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bofh2k2000" wrote: > Oh yeah :) I've never really worked that one out, as the samples I > used were 44.1 as they were taken off a CD by the guys at WOR. I > can't imagine 48khz sampling would make an audible improvement for > audio taken off a CD? It does, somewhat-- Even MP2, the data format of DAB audio, cuts off the highest of the highs like MP3 does. Raising the sample rate to 48kHz raises that ceiling a bit. While you can save bit-for-bit a DAB audio stream (and stream it back over the internet, which has been done), it would need to be reconverted back to a 44.1 kHz sample rate were you to burn it to CD, so it acts like a crude catch for those wanting to burn DAB programs directly to audio CD, other than dropping to analog. I have heard DAB streams (I don't think any DAM streaming over the internet is active right now), and I can tell you, it's fantastic when done right. (And not all DAB stations broadcast equally-- One DAB ensemble, Bayern (Bavaria state, Germany) had excellent stations, while the Munich (local) ensemble in the same state was only fair; the main Swiss ensemble in Berne was a total audio disaster- Not because of bitrates- 128 stereo sounds fine for most pop music formats, and 160/192 for classical-- halve that for mono programming- but because of bad engineering on each station's part. DAB is NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, the "great equalizer" of radio, as anyone from the UK, the most successful DAB market, can tell you. Renting a spot on an ensemble is much like getting a spot on a cable-TV dial, with no guarantee of being the most listened-to station. That being said, the US could support 2-5 DAB ensembles, with room for plenty more. (I think Band III and L-Band have as standard, 12 ensemble slots each.) But will this happen here? Maybe when it's no longer novel in the rest of the world. Instead, we get ICRAP. As for Australia, there are a few considerations that country needs to decide on: Go with a worldwide standard that can be inexpensively implemented, or go with ONE other country's system that stands on shaky grounds. Go with a system that broadcasting and receiving equipment already exists globally and readily available, or go with a system that may not have a viable future. Go with a system that works well with the national broadcaster, by far the largest broadcaster in the nation, or go with a system that is about as individualistic- and reliable- as individual stations tend to be. (DAB does not thwart broadcasters' individuality.) Go with a system that even at its worst, is still better than the questionability of that ONE other country's system. As you can guess, I favor DAB, when done right, it works. No system is perfect (even DAB has problems), it still isn't the joke IBOC certainly is. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 11:00:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86628 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 18:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 18:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 18:59:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2003 18:58:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:58:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DAB vs IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1607 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It does, somewhat-- Even MP2, the data format of DAB audio, cuts off > the highest of the highs like MP3 does. Raising the sample rate to > 48kHz raises that ceiling a bit. The high frequency limit of MP2 encoding is actually more dependent on which psychoacoustic model is used. I forget which is which, but there are two (psychoacoustic model "1" and model "2"), and one places more emphasis upon preserving high-frequency audio, while the other concentrates more upon providing higher quality in the lower audio range, and will rarely preserve any audio above 15-16 kHz, even at high bit-rates. For example, the Video CD format uses MP2 stereo audio at 224 kbps, and ripping these audio tracks into Cool Edit shows that most of the time, the encoded audio response is limited to around 14 kHz, with a few excursions up to 16-17 kHz on treble peaks and a few dips down to 12-13 kHz during "quiet" moments. Also, some radio stations use an older version of "Audio Vault" to store their music, which uses 192 kbps MP2 encoding (the newer versions have thankfully upgraded to 384 kbps). Do a spectrum analysis of one of these stations and you'll see that the MP2 encoding limits the music's frequency response to 14 kHz most of the time, even before the audio reaches the station's 15 kHz FM "brick-wall" filter. I personally think that MP2 compression artifacts are less annoying than those of MP3 or IBOC, but there is no denying that MP2 is an old system with rather poor efficiency, and needs _at least_ 192 kbps to sound "almost as good as" a clean analog FM Stereo signal. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 11:14:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99600 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 19:14:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 19:14:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 19:14:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2003 19:14:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:14:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kenwood HD Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c3b300$cbbdeea0$40f78eac@aoldsl.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 550 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > wgliradio wrote on 11/24/03 0:54: > > >I am amazed at how bad consumer electronics are today. > > Agreed, Even the Panasonic stuff from the '70s will blow away today's "High End" electronics. My Panasonic RQ-SW10 (mid 1990s) has much more sensitive reception than my Panasonic RQ-SW44V (early 2000s). A station that is fading out on the 44 is still coming in with a decent (but not crystal clear) signal on the 10. Both are walkman-style radio/tape combos. From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Nov 25 15:50:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6249 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 23:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 23:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 23:50:29 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.155.282e36cb (30950) for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:50:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <155.282e36cb.2cf544c0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:50:24 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gates 500-D transmitter on eBay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.4 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/24/03 7:35:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > Looks like an oldie but goodie: >=20 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3059438811 >=20 Wow!...nice transmitter. If its "broken"...the lucky winner should find it= =20 easy enough to fix. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 16:40:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56226 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 00:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 00:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 00:40:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2003 00:39:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:39:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hear the AM Stereo Advantage! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 971 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Here's one great A-B aircheck, using two radio stations playing the > same song - one in Mono (i1197) and AM Stereo (4AK 1242) i1197 sounds odd -- there's very little bass or mid-range in their sound. That could be from their audio processing, STL, or transmitter. The AM Stereo half sounds great, but there's something screwy with the way that MP3 file was encoded; some programs won't play it unless I remove the VBR tag. Even the "VBRFIX" utility doesn't make it work with all players -- I have to manually edit the file and remove the VBR tag at the beginning of the file. I have a few MP3s with this same issue, and I don't quite know what causes it. My guess is that they were encoded with CRC (error checking) turned on, which never really works properly with MP3s anyway, so it's best to leave CRC off if you can. Some (most?) players simply ignore the CRC data, which may be why these files can work with them, but not with all MP3 players. From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Nov 25 16:56:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74479 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 00:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 00:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 00:56:10 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAQ0u9vk002807 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:56:09 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hAQ0u8g27699 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:56:08 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hAQ0u8x27682 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:56:08 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:56:08 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F472A2@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Hear the AM Stereo Advantage! Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:56:06 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Yeah there is definitely an audio problem - I'm going to see if we can fix it when we add the AM Stereo gear early next year (hopefully) I think the TX needs tuning to reduce IPM - may improve the sound. Also I need to check their processor - they are running a low cost Behringer unit. I'm fairly sure the problem will be in the MW-1A - probably needs new capacitors, etc - a good all round rebuild. I'll see if I can re-encode the MP3 using LAME VBR - should be more reliable. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2003 10:40 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hear the AM Stereo Advantage! > Here's one great A-B aircheck, using two radio stations playing the > same song - one in Mono (i1197) and AM Stereo (4AK 1242) i1197 sounds odd -- there's very little bass or mid-range in their sound. That could be from their audio processing, STL, or transmitter. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 17:08:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30029 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 01:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 01:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 01:08:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2003 01:08:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 01:08:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1390 WDCW -> Buckley: will it remain AM Stereo? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 874 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics A little bit of news that slipped past me until now... Crawford's religious music station 1390 WDCW in Syracuse, NY has been sold to Buckley Broadcasting -- owners of NYC's 710 WOR -- and the Northeast Radio Watch reports that WDCW is now back on the air playing automated music, after being off the air for a week. The last time I had the opportunity to listen to WDCW, it was playing music in full AM Stereo and sounding very good, just like most of Crawford's AM stations. But now that it will be in Buckley's control, I wonder if the AM Stereo will remain. Buckley also owns nearby 1050 WFBL, which was also in AM Stereo until the exciter went on the fritz and they chose not to repair or replace it (perhaps because WFBL is now a news/talk station anyway). Perhaps Mr. Ray or Mr. Richards from WOR can enlighten us as to the future of AM Stereo at WDCW? From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Nov 25 17:28:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55138 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 01:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 01:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 01:28:19 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hAQ1WdcL098515 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:32:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3FC4016C.7F40A05F@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:27:08 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gates 500-D transmitter on eBay References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.31 From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah But Im trying to figure out is it a transmitter or a transistor as stated On the Ebay page:" Data Plate Information: Gates Model 500-D Commercial AM Radio station transmitter. Frequency: 1150KC; Cycles: 60; Carrier Watts: 500; Line Volts: 220; Phase: Single; R.F. Line Imp: 70 ohms; Audio Imput: Imp:500ohms. Large and heavy. 6 1/2 feet tall. Last test in 1986. Test notes indicate frequency changed to 1440KC. Otherwise working condition is unknown. Sold as is where is. Buyer responsible for pick up and loading. Will not ship. Transistor is located in Winchester, KY. See the photos. No reserve. Inspection by ^^^^^^^^ appointment. " "Kevin T." wrote: > Looks like an oldie but goodie: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3059438811 > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 19:09:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91278 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 03:09:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 03:09:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 03:09:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2003 03:09:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 03:09:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: anticipation....anticipa-a-tion... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 413 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 c'mon everybody...sing along as we patiently watch the ketchup bottle!! In response to Kevin's question about the home tuner that mysteriously disappeared from the Kenwood website, an email I received today: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Unfortunately, home products will not ship until mid 2004. Michael Lyons Director -Business Development iBiquity Digital From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 19:28:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72237 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 03:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 03:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 03:28:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2003 03:28:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 03:28:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: See WOR's IBOC hash in action Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 511 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's a link to an XM Satellite Radio message board, upon which there is a recent discussion about IBOC: http://tinyurl.com/wl3h In particular, the first message shown has a link to a ShockWave Flash animation of a computer-controlled receiver tuning from 700 through 720 kHz, at a location 75 miles south of WOR's transmitter, showing the IBOC "hash" on a spectrum analysis graph. The resolution isn't that great, but you can see how the digital signal extends all the way from 695 through 725 kHz. From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 19:45:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56998 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 03:45:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 03:45:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 03:45:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20031126034528.75699.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.38] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:45:28 PST Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:45:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Hear the AM Stereo Advantage! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F472A2@aubwm206> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.85 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Yeah there is definitely an audio problem - I'm > going to see if we can fix > it when we add the AM Stereo gear early next year > (hopefully) I think the > TX needs tuning to reduce IPM - may improve the > sound. Also I need to check > their processor - they are running a low cost > Behringer unit. I'm fairly > sure the problem will be in the MW-1A - probably > needs new capacitors, etc - > a good all round rebuild. Are all the modules in the audio working ? If there some with faults, that can surely cause a problem. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 19:47:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87864 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 03:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 03:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 03:47:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2003 03:47:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 03:47:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: anticipation....anticipa-a-tion... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1034 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > c'mon everybody...sing along as we patiently watch the ketchup > bottle!! --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Unfortunately, home products will not ship until mid 2004. > > Michael Lyons > Director -Business Development > iBiquity Digital Would you put 11-year-old ketchup on your burger? I sure wouldn't. That's how long the IBOC proponents have been stringing us along. Look through the back issues of radio and electronics magazines, and you'll see that all the way back in 1993, they were predicting that IBOC would be "right around the corner", with stations broadcasting it and receivers in stores in a matter of months. Then in 1995, there were tests of an early version of IBOC on the AM band. The result? Poor audio quality, interference to adjacent channels, poor signal coverage, and incompatibility with nighttime skywave. Now, eight and a half years later, *none* of these problems have been resolved or even measurably reduced! IBOC = It's Better Off Cancelled! From k6BLABBER@comcast.net Tue Nov 25 19:56:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: k6BLABBER@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76467 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 03:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 03:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 03:56:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2003 03:56:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 03:56:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Delco Radios Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 528 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "K6BLAbber" X-Originating-IP: 24.127.168.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153105479 X-Yahoo-Profile: K6BLAbber Has anyone here successfully transplanted the C-Quam circuitry from an older Delco AM-ST radio to a newer Delco Theft-Lock radio that does not have C-Quam? I have a few units, but the nicer, newer ones have no C-Quam, since Delco pretty much abandoned it like everyone else. I keep finding these old Delco stereos on eBay. I guess most folks don't have an appreciation for AM- stereo or don't live near a station that carries it. A shame, but now LOOK OUT for HD radios.... yikes!! Thanks... Scott From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Nov 25 20:00:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29225 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 04:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 04:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 04:00:41 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAQ40evk024150 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:00:40 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hAQ40eg07540 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:00:40 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hAQ40ex07522 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:00:40 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:00:40 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F472A5@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Hear the AM Stereo Advantage! Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:00:38 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 I suspect not - I have to arrange a visit to the TX site.. one look at the meter will be able to tell me whether there are any dead PA modules (I suspect so - I have this feeling they are at nowhere near their 1kw output - more like 500w perhaps) Luckily the PA modules are apparently quite easy to repair - if the MW-1A manual isn't at the TX site I will need to get one - Brad Bostrum, Chief Engineer for Clear Channel in Iowa was *very* helpful in supplying me with a photocopy of the MW-1A AM Stereo modification kit that was issued by Harris in the 1980's! I found him via the Bnet mailing list! -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW [mailto:w4opw@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2003 1:45 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Hear the AM Stereo Advantage! Are all the modules in the audio working ? If there some with faults, that can surely cause a problem. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Nov 25 20:25:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71000 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 04:25:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 04:25:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 04:25:54 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-210-101.rev.o1.com [66.81.210.101]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hAQ4PpO54644; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:25:52 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c3b3d5$11876e00$65d25142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: a comershall Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:23:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi every budy I was thinkimg about puttimg a comershall on my local am mono station about this site and am stereo if every budy aproves. It well be on 3 time a day for 5 day. Jim S From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 21:28:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39445 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 05:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 05:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 05:28:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20031126052800.12290.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.120] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:28:00 PST Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:28:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: MW-1 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F472A5@aubwm206> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.81 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > I suspect not - I have to arrange a visit to the TX > site.. one look at the > meter will be able to tell me whether there are any > dead PA modules (I > suspect so - I have this feeling they are at nowhere > near their 1kw output - > more like 500w perhaps) > > Luckily the PA modules are apparently quite easy to > repair - if the MW-1A > manual isn't at the TX site I will need to get one - > Brad Bostrum, Chief > Engineer for Clear Channel in Iowa was *very* > helpful in supplying me with a > photocopy of the MW-1A AM Stereo modification kit > that was issued by Harris > in the 1980's! I found him via the Bnet mailing > list! Tom O up on the list has a whole bunch of papers he posted to bnet on the MW-1 and SX series. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 06:32:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54299 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 14:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 14:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 14:32:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20031126143206.73957.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:32:06 PST Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:32:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: AM Stereo promotion? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.146 From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "JimSmith" asked about a "comershall" - commercial on AM. Jim: I would suggest you wait until we have a professionally produced spot made for general usage to promote C-Quam / analog AM Stereo, and better bandwidth AM in general. Kevin, could you contact the NRC guy in Lima, Ohio about having him make us a 30 second Stereo AM commercial? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Nov 26 10:40:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34052 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 18:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 18:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 18:40:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2003 18:39:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:39:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo promotion? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031126143206.73957.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 966 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.49.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > "JimSmith" asked about a "comershall" - commercial on AM. > > Jim: I would suggest you wait until we have a professionally produced spot made > for general usage to promote C-Quam / analog AM Stereo, and better bandwidth AM > in general. > > Kevin, could you contact the NRC guy in Lima, Ohio about having him make us a > 30 second Stereo AM commercial? > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ Hi If so than i can get mailing address from kevin off forum . I am glad i can't do it my self i don't have the voise for it. Not only band with but about this site and converting radios. I gess we can't talk about the alfado lites because that cind of gets in to there domane. I will pay for spot. Thay want $200 for 3 times a day for 5 days. Look forword to hearing it. Thanks Jim S From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 11:03:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66370 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 19:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 19:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 19:03:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2003 19:03:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:03:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo promotion? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 392 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > "JimSmith" asked about a "comershall" - commercial on AM. =snip= Here's a directory (and subdirectories) of AMS promo stuff. Would be nice if there were more beyond the AMAX stuff. http://tinyurl.com/woi9 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 11:09:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94091 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 19:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 19:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 19:09:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2003 19:08:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:08:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC: oh, how the years go by... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 435 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I found this quote in Radio World: "Throughout the summer, Ibiquity will conduct exhaustive studies and tests on the AM band. We anticipate AM IBOC nighttime performance information will be shared with the industry by early fall. Ibiquity's goal is to secure industry endorsement of nighttime AM IBOC before the end of this year." Think they still have a month left to meet that goal? Nope... that was written in July _2002_. From stodd@vippn.com Wed Nov 26 17:46:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27766 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2003 01:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2003 01:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2003 01:46:21 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c3b488$719a5ec0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DAB vs IBOC Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:46:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Had a late lunch with a local consulting engineer (the high buck folks who have more invested in special software than most of us have in our houses) and his opinion of IBOC is that it's a dead end, especially on the AM side. Even on the FM he asked me if I noticed any difference, and I told him I only heard it in areas of extreme multipath. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > As you can guess, I favor DAB, when done right, it works. No system > is perfect (even DAB has problems), it still isn't the joke IBOC > certainly is. From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Nov 26 18:42:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67083 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2003 02:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2003 02:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2003 02:42:18 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-37-178.rev.o1.com [66.81.37.178]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hAR2gFY37308; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:42:15 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01c3b48f$bf343aa0$b2255142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: am sterteo as commarcal Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:39:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi Any way i have more time to be long winded now. What i would like to talk about in the commercal not the tech side of it. Remember most people are not sound radio enganeers. What is important is to talk about this site and some of the pepole here and that there radio can be coverted from mono to am stereo and to call there local station to hear it. Thanks Jim S From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 20:54:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1835 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2003 04:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2003 04:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2003 04:54:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2003 04:54:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 04:54:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am sterteo as commarcal Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c3b48f$bf343aa0$b2255142@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 576 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Do you have the money to buy the airtime for the commercial (or do you know of ways to secure the funding)? --ts --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" wrote: > Hi Any way i have more time to be long winded now. What i would like to > talk about in the commercal not the tech side of it. Remember most people > are not sound radio enganeers. What is important is to talk about this > site and some of the pepole here and that there radio can be coverted from > mono to am stereo and to call there local station to hear it. Thanks Jim S From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Nov 26 21:56:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99306 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2003 05:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2003 05:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2003 05:56:52 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.81.2228d1 (4238) for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:56:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <81.2228d1.2cf6ec1d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:56:45 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gates 500-D transmitter on eBay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.104 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/26/03 12:58:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 groucho@skyweb.net writes: > Yeah But Im trying to figure out is it a transmitter or a transistor as > stated On the > Ebay page:" >=20 LOL...Yeah!...thats an awfully funny looking transistor!...LOL quite large= =20 too! LOL Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Nov 26 22:22:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23163 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2003 06:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2003 06:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2003 06:22:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2003 06:22:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 06:22:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am sterteo as commarcal Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 867 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.56.228 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > Do you have the money to buy the airtime for the commercial (or do > you know of ways to secure the funding)? > > --ts > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" > wrote: > > Hi Any way i have more time to be long winded now. What i would > like to > > talk about in the commercal not the tech side of it. Remember most > people > > are not sound radio enganeers. What is important is to talk about > this > > site and some of the pepole here and that there radio can be > coverted from > > mono to am stereo and to call there local station to hear it. > Thanks Jim Yes I have the money for the time. And like i said erlyer i don't want to do it my self pepole wont take my voise seareusely. What i out lined erlyer i like it dune like that. Jim S From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 22:38:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37070 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2003 06:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2003 06:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2003 06:38:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2003 06:38:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 06:38:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am sterteo as commarcal Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 223 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" wrote: Useless point from a mouse, feel free to ignore: Never advertize AM stereo on a mono AM station. Other than that, good luck. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Nov 27 05:46:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98817 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2003 13:46:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2003 13:46:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2003 13:46:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (d21-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.53]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hARDkWA30106 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 06:46:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 06:45:55 -0700 Subject: Commercial Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1069925867.1507.61832.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: <05ECACB6-20E0-11D8-8BC2-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla You need to write fredv@nrcdxas.org and ask him to do this for you and what it would cost. Kevin On Thursday, November 27, 2003, at 02:37 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:32:06 -0800 (PST) > From: "John P." > Subject: AM Stereo promotion? > > "JimSmith" asked about a "comershall" - commercial on AM. > > Jim: I would suggest you wait until we have a professionally produced > spot made > for general usage to promote C-Quam / analog AM Stereo, and better > bandwidth AM > in general. > > Kevin, could you contact the NRC guy in Lima, Ohio about having him > make us a > 30 second Stereo AM commercial? > From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Nov 27 07:22:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86046 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2003 15:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2003 15:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.194) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2003 15:22:17 -0000 Received: from storefull-2117.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2117.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.157]) by smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 13DC81073C for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2117.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id HAA16262; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:22:16 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAto44jCZG9AnJ6LPrG31cfhAnEBwCFQCcWlZpkfSAHP2AjitHQ4fhvziiiQ== Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:22:16 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 967 Message-ID: <27578-3FC616A8-1325@storefull-2117.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 25 Nov 2003 09:51:05 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.194 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I lot of people gripe about the poor reception quality many current home or portable radios have nowdays ON the A.M> band.. We sell JVC, Teac, Sherwood, some Sharp home stereo equipment at where I work, We have several JVC models on display that have really impressive A.M. Reception! I can get KFEQ 680 (5 KW) over 150 miles away quite well during the daytime. JVC's secret >> A sensitive receiver coupled with an AM Loop antenna. The Loop antenna really works and allows you to orient it for best reception, and to help null out interference. P> S. Happy Thanksgiving to everybody!!! Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 09:37:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42078 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2003 17:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2003 17:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2003 17:37:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20031127173708.42515.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:37:08 PST Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:37:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: AMS Promotion - getting the word out this week To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.146 From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If anybody has this weeks "Radio World" publication - a Fanfare tuner got a half-page about FM translator use, but they also used a quote regarding AM Stereo on their other tuner! Also, the December (BE) "Radio" magazine also has a 1/2 page letter touting the virutues of AM Stereo in the reader's feedback section! Getting the message out folks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 12:05:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29624 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2003 20:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2003 20:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2003 20:05:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2003 20:05:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:05:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC: if it interferes, it's illegal! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As we all know, the IBOC hybrid digital system is complaint with the NRSC specs for transmitted AM bandwidth, even though its total bandwidth is 50% greater than that of an analog AM station. However, an often-ignored part of the FCC regulations concerning AM bandwidth is this, in section 73.44, "AM transmission system emission limitations": "(c) Should harmful interference be caused to the reception of other broadcast or non-broadcast stations by out of band emissions, the licensee may be directed to achieve a greater degree of attentuation than specified in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this section." In this case, "out of band" refers to emissions that are outside of an AM station's channel allocation, which is nominally +/- 10 kHz for analog stations, and paragraphs (a) and (b) outline the NRSC specs for transmitted bandwidth. So, the bottom line is... according to the FCC rules, if an IBOC signal is causing "harmful interference to the reception" of other stations, then it is that station's responsibility to either reduce the transmitted level of their IBOC sidebands to the point where the interference is resolved, or to stop transmitting IBOC entirely, which would also satisfy the requirement for "a greater degree of attenuation" of the interference-causing transmissions. Now, the only question is... is the FCC actually going to enforce their own rules? Especially now that iBiquity is breathing down their neck, desparate to get final approval for its IBOC systems? From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 12:18:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87891 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2003 20:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2003 20:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2003 20:18:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2003 20:18:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:18:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: if it interferes, it's illegal! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 628 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > "(c) Should harmful interference be caused to the reception of other > broadcast or non-broadcast stations by out of band emissions, the > licensee may be directed to achieve a greater degree of attentuation Want to get a good laugh? Come to Boynton Beach, Florida. Tune in WEFL/760 AM Tequesta/West Palm Beach, Fla. (a station that, ironically enough, is owned by Craig Karmazin, the son of Mel Karmazin of Viacom/Infinity, a company that is rabidly supporting IBOC)....They are getting HAMMERED in Boynton by WSBR/740/Boca Raton's IBOC....Buzzes all over 760 making WEFL's signal useless in Boynton Beach. --Tony S. From oscar@globility.com Thu Nov 27 14:23:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68121 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2003 22:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2003 22:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2003 22:23:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2003 22:23:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 22:23:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo promotion? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031126143206.73957.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 767 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.174 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > "JimSmith" asked about a "comershall" - commercial on AM. > > Jim: I would suggest you wait until we have a professionally produced spot made > for general usage to promote C-Quam / analog AM Stereo, and better bandwidth AM > in general. > It may be worthwhile to hold off just a little until the Chicago are soundbites using the Fanfare FTA-100 are completed. They're already started and the prognosis is that WGN is truly a killer AM-stereo broadcaster. WLS is not far behind. Imagine all that quality going to waste for no good reason at all. IMHO, it shows that, if IBOC installations offer a fallback to AM stereo, this is what they could have to look forward to. MS From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Nov 27 15:34:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60239 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2003 23:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2003 23:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.122) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2003 23:33:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:33:58 -0800 Received: from 172.133.221.199 by bay7-dav18.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:33:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Fw: [mecm] Thanksgiving and approaching holidays Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:20:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2003 23:33:58.0997 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE785850:01C3B53E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.122 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.133.221.199] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coalbunny" To: Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 3:34 PM Subject: [mecm] Thanksgiving and approaching holidays Today is Thanksgiving, and the beginning of the holiday season. 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Picard, STNG From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 17:11:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90018 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2003 01:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2003 01:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2003 01:11:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20031128011128.57407.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.82.68.98] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:11:28 PST Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:11:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: if it interferes, it's illegal! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > Now, the only question is... is the FCC actually > going to enforce > their own rules? Especially now that iBiquity is > breathing down > their neck, desparate to get final approval for its > IBOC systems? As the country song goes ...."What Part of NO Don't you Understand"..... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 19:17:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29588 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2003 03:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2003 03:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2003 03:17:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2003 03:17:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 03:17:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am sterteo as commarcal Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 913 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.8.144.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" > wrote: > > Useless point from a mouse, feel free to ignore: Never advertize AM > stereo on a mono AM station. Other than that, good luck. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ What about AM stereo advertised on an FM station? "When you listen to music on your AM radio, it sounds like this, right?" *play clip of music as received on a typical AM receiver* "If you got a good AM Stereo radio, then with compatible stations your music could sound like this!" *play clip from Fanfare tuner of the same song* "Also, because of the way AM signals are, you can hear your music farther away, especially at night (on some stations) than you could on your favorite FM stations!" Change whatever is necessary to make it more professional. Should give someone a vague idea though. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 19:42:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16013 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2003 03:42:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2003 03:42:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2003 03:42:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2003 03:42:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 03:42:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am sterteo as commarcal Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1343 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" > > wrote: > > > > Useless point from a mouse, feel free to ignore: Never advertize AM > > stereo on a mono AM station. Other than that, good luck. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > What about AM stereo advertised on an FM station? If the FM station owns an AM stereo station, I would think. > "When you listen to music on your AM radio, it sounds like this, > right?" *play clip of music as received on a typical AM receiver* > "If you got a good AM Stereo radio, then with compatible stations your > music could sound like this!" *play clip from Fanfare tuner of the > same song* "Also, because of the way AM signals are, you can hear > your music farther away, especially at night (on some stations) than > you could on your favorite FM stations!" Sounds like the copy from one of the AMAX commercials submitted by Bob Carter a while back. > Change whatever is necessary to make it more professional. Should > give someone a vague idea though. Been done. (See above.) But rarely has been heard- Especially since the loss of reason for quality AM (stereo) programming. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 20:56:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46478 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2003 04:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2003 04:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2003 04:56:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2003 04:56:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 04:56:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am sterteo as commarcal Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 755 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Been done. (See above.) But rarely has been heard- Especially since > the loss of reason for quality AM (stereo) programming. Clear Channel stations in the same market frequently co-promote each other... for example, you'll hear the FM rock station run a promo for their AM news/talk station, or vice-versa. And in Allentown, PA, when CC flipped a 50,000-watt FM station to Classic Rock, and moved its former Oldies format down to a 5000-watt AM station (1470 WKAP), they co-promoted it a lot, and now that AM station has the best ratings it's ever had in years, although CC sadly switched off its AM Stereo when they acquired it (although the "WKAP 1470 AM Stereo" liners continued to be played on the air for quite some time after that!). From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 21:49:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73585 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2003 05:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2003 05:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2003 05:48:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2003 05:48:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 05:48:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am sterteo as commarcal Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Been done. (See above.) But rarely has been heard- Especially since > > the loss of reason for quality AM (stereo) programming. > > Clear Channel stations in the same market frequently co-promote each > other... for example, you'll hear the FM rock station run a promo for > their AM news/talk station, or vice-versa. And in Allentown, PA, > when CC flipped a 50,000-watt FM station to Classic Rock, and moved > its former Oldies format down to a 5000-watt AM station (1470 WKAP), > they co-promoted it a lot, and now that AM station has the best > ratings it's ever had in years, although CC sadly switched off its > AM Stereo when they acquired it (although the "WKAP 1470 AM Stereo" > liners continued to be played on the air for quite some time after > that!). This is true with station groups in many, if not most, markets, regardless of who owns the groups. However, the best place I feel for advertizing AM stereo is on an AM stereo station-- If you can convince the station to do such. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Nov 28 00:01:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15580 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2003 08:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2003 08:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2003 08:01:45 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-45-145.rev.o1.com [66.81.45.145]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hAS81gd60774; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 00:01:43 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c3b585$8918fd60$912d5142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: am stereo commercal Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:59:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi Well my look at this is if you play a am stereo commarcal on a am mono station and tell the pepole to call your local station for the sound the station mite go for it from local demand. This is a smaller market station . Auburn Ca has at the last i looked 13,000 pepole but thay point there signal to Sacramento Ca at night with i think a bad humming satalite feed. All i can do is try . Thay sound perty good dering the day for a am mono station with a oldies format. Thanks Jim S From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 06:28:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79158 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2003 14:28:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2003 14:28:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41009.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.8) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2003 14:28:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20031128142813.19846.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.64.99.226] by web41009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:28:13 PST Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:28:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: OT: Public filing periods To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000701c3b585$8918fd60$912d5142@jimsmith> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.8 From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio How do I find out when a public filing period is? The F.C.C. database is very confusing. Thanks, Jay __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From stodd@vippn.com Fri Nov 28 08:04:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98774 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2003 16:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2003 16:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2003 16:04:46 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c3b5c9$8a02d040$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: if it interferes, it's illegal! Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:05:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It will depend entirely upon the aggressiveness of the AM station owners. If they just sit back and take it the band is finished. I know if any of MY stations were interfered with, I'd be calling almost from the moment I discovered it. I'd first approach the offending station, then I'd go to the FCC if I got no satisfaction. What an opportunity for a struggling AM station to hire some ambulance-chaser lawyer and sue to have the IBOC discontinued at the other station, and use the proceeds for an upgrade. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Now, the only question is... is the FCC actually going to enforce > their own rules? Especially now that iBiquity is breathing down > their neck, desparate to get final approval for its IBOC systems? From stodd@vippn.com Fri Nov 28 08:40:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13001 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2003 16:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2003 16:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2003 16:40:38 -0000 Message-ID: <004a01c3b5ce$8b48cb80$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031128142813.19846.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Public filing periods Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:16:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Since you work in radio you could subscribe to RBR- daily free online. They post when certain states' licence renewal dates approach. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" To: Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 8:28 AM Subject: {AMSF} OT: Public filing periods > How do I find out when a public filing period is? > The F.C.C. database is very confusing. > > Thanks, > Jay > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 15:45:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60396 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2003 23:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2003 23:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2003 23:45:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2003 23:43:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 23:43:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: if it interferes, it's illegal! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003101c3b5c9$8a02d040$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 76 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Scott Todd: What's Salem's corporate stance on IBOC? Good Bad? -tony s. From stodd@vippn.com Fri Nov 28 16:22:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4085 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 00:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 00:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 00:22:36 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01c3b60f$1581d220$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: if it interferes, it's illegal! Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:22:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think they're ready to try out FM IBOC, but I've heard absolutely no plans for AM. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony" To: Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:43 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: if it interferes, it's illegal! > Scott Todd: > > What's Salem's corporate stance on IBOC? Good Bad? > > -tony s. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 17:12:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64772 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 01:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 01:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 01:12:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2003 01:12:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:12:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: if it interferes, it's illegal! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c3b60f$1581d220$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 400 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think they're ready to try out FM IBOC, but I've heard absolutely > no plans for AM. However, in NYC, Salem is still transmitting with reduced bandwidth on its AM stations -- 570 WMCA is running 5 kHz audio, and I believe 970 WWDJ is putting out 6 kHz audio. However, I don't care for either station's programming, so the benefit for me is that I can DX the adjacent channels more clearly. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 18:42:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26799 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 02:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 02:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 02:42:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2003 02:42:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 02:42:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: The IBOC List, Nov. 2003 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1956 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The FCC database currently lists a total of 27 stations on the AM band as transmitting IBOC -- but only a small portion of these are actually using it. The rest have all either tested IBOC in the past and now have returned to normal analog broadcasting, or have never used IBOC so far and may or may not have any definite plans to use it in the future. According to my online research, here's how the _true_ IBOC status of these 27 stations breaks down. If anyone has any information about the stations whose IBOC status is unknown, I would appreciate it. Current Use or Testing: 560 WQAM Miami, FL - Sports 710 WOR New York, NY - Talk 740 WSBR Boca Raton, FL - Business News 850 KFUO Clayton (St. Louis), MO - Religious 1470 WWNN Pompano Beach, FL - Talk Former Testing, Now Discontinued: 730 WKDL Alexandria, VA (Washington, DC) - Spanish 750 WSB Atlanta, GA - Talk 840 KXNT North Las Vegas, NV - Talk (CES 2002 demo station) 860 WWDB Philadelphia, PA - Talk (CES 2003 demo station) 950 WWJ Detroit, MI - News Marked as IBOC, but Currently Analog: 740 KCBS San Francisco, CA - News 950 WPEN Philadelphia, PA - Adult Standards (full AM STEREO) 1030 WBZ Boston, MA - News/Talk 1070 KNX Los Angeles, CA - News (AM STEREO pilot) 1170 WWTR Bridgewater, NJ - Adult Standards 1250 WMTR Morristown, NJ - Adult Standards 1450 WCTC New Brunswick, NJ - Talk (full AM STEREO) Future Plans/Unknown: 620 WTMJ Milwaukee, WI - Talk 640 WJNA Royal Palm Beach, FL - Adult Standards 750 KOAL Price, UT - Talk 980 WHSR Pompano Beach, FL - Ethnic 1020 WRHB Kendall (Miami), FL - Tropical 1120 WTWZ Clinton (Jackson), MI - Religious 1360 WKAT North Miami, FL - Classical 1400 WJLD Fairfield (Birmingham), AL - Rhythmic Oldies (AM STEREO?) 1420 WRMR Cleveland, OH - Classical 1490 WOLF Syracuse, NY - Radio Disney p.s. Note the overabundance of stations in Florida... maybe they want to use IBOC to serve as jammers against Cuban stations? From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Nov 28 21:47:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58793 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 05:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 05:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 05:47:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:47:42 -0800 Received: from 172.201.174.198 by bay7-dav3.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 05:47:42 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Fw: [amradiodx] Fw: DX tests Summary Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 00:34:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2003 05:47:42.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E9582A0:01C3B63C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.107 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.201.174.198] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Trotto To: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: [amradiodx] Fw: DX tests Summary -------Original Message------- From: Lynn Hollerman Date: Friday, November 28, 2003 4:50:44 PM To: mwc@erefnet.com Subject: DX tests Summary For anyone interested, here's a reminder of upcoming DX tests; if anyone has any additions or corrections, please contact me. (BE SURE TO NOTE THE TIME OF THE TEST; THEY ARE IN THE LOCAL TIME OF THE STATION) Sunday, November 30, 2003 - WGN-720, Chicago, IL 1:00-4:00 am CST (off the air) Sunday, December 14, 2003 - WILM-1450, Wilmington, DE 1:05 am-3:00 am EST (NRC). Please remember, what's listed as being on, say, Monday *may* be what you think of as Sunday night! If you try for (or hear) any of these tests, PLEASE post a message letting me know, and please, drop the station personnel a note, via e-mail or snail mail, thanking them for running the test! Also, for brevity's sake, I didn't post the QSL addresses; if you need these, let me know! Lynn. Check out the IRCA web site at http://www.ircaonline.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Nov 28 22:40:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12371 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 06:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 06:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 06:40:26 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.54.1d7fa949 (30950) for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:40:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <54.1d7fa949.2cf99953@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:40:19 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: am stereo as commercial <--corrected subject spelling To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.98 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/27/03 1:24:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 jimsmith@vfr.net writes: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > >Do you have the money to buy the airtime for the commercial (or do=20 > >you know of ways to secure the funding)? > > > >--ts > > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" =20 > >wrote: > >>Hi Any way i have more time to be long winded now. What i would=20 > >like to > >>talk about in the commercal not the tech side of it. Remember=20 > most=20 > >people > >>are not sound radio enganeers. What is important is to talk=20 > about=20 > >this > >>site and some of the pepole here and that there radio can be=20 > >coverted from > >>mono to am stereo and to call there local station to hear it.=20 > >Thanks Jim=20 > Yes I have the money for the time. And like i said erlyer i don't=20 > want to do it my self pepole wont take my voise seareusely. What i=20 > out lined erlyer i like it dune like that. Jim S >=20 >=20 Why and what exactly are we advertising? Is this an ad that will run on a=20 local station or some nation wide network? If your intent is to make folks aware of am stereo...good luck!...because t= he=20 station will get swamped [maybe] with calls with questions.."where can I bu= y=20 the AM Stereo receivers,I cant find them and nobody locally sells them...th= e=20 sales person at the local radio store thought I was crazy and on drugs",Whe= n I=20 asked for AM Stereo receivers,the sales person thought it was a radio that= =20 only worked during the morning hours","I have an old stereo receiver,but wh= y isnt=20 this station that I'm hearing this commerical on,in stereo?"...etc,etc,etc.= =20 Without the resources [receivers--manufactured or converted] in large numbe= rs,=20 you'll only end up pissing people off.Manufactures just are not going to go= =20 back into producing AM Stereo receivers in great masses. BTW...does vfr.net offer a spell checker with their email service? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Nov 28 22:46:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94406 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 06:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 06:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 06:46:16 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.15a.289bf0fa (30950) for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:46:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <15a.289bf0fa.2cf99ab2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:46:10 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: if it interferes, it's illegal! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.37 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/27/03 3:07:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > "(c) Should harmful interference be caused to the reception of other > broadcast or non-broadcast stations by out of band emissions, the > licensee may be directed to achieve a greater degree of attentuation > than specified in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this section." >=20 > In this case, "out of band" refers to emissions that are outside of=20 > an AM station's channel allocation, which is nominally +/- 10 kHz for=20 > analog stations, and paragraphs (a) and (b) outline the NRSC specs=20 > for transmitted bandwidth. >=20 Devils advocate here"**** Key word mentioned was "analog stations" regarding an AM stations channel=20 allocation. OK....so what are the rules for a digital station?The interfere= nce is=20 coming from the digital transmission,not the analog part of the stations=20 transmission. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Nov 28 22:57:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40233 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 06:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 06:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 06:57:07 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.f3.334a3016 (30950) for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:57:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:57:01 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: if it interferes, it's illegal! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.99 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/28/03 8:15:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > However, in NYC, Salem is still transmitting with reduced bandwidth=20 > on its AM stations -- 570 WMCA is running 5 kHz audio, and I believe=20 > 970 WWDJ is putting out 6 kHz audio. However, I don't care for either=20 > station's programming, so the benefit for me is that I can DX the=20 > adjacent channels more clearly. >=20 Speaking of WMCA 570 NYC ....I saw a post on another radio list some time=20 back about WMCA 570 was blasting WFIL 560 "out of the water" several weeks = ago.=20 WMCA was reported to have been stronger than usual towards the Philadelphia= =20 area,and the splatter was knocking out reception of WFIL only 65 miles away= from=20 WFIL.Anyone notice anything out of the ordinary..or has WMCA changed its=20 operating perimeters lately? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Nov 29 00:48:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56962 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 08:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 08:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 08:48:54 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2003 08:48:54 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74795 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 08:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 08:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 08:33:06 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.11e.282544a0 (4340) for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 03:33:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <11e.282544a0.2cf9b3c0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 03:33:04 EST Subject: AM Stereo PSA To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.7 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 29 Nov 2003 08:48:54 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 I think your proposed AM Stereo spots should come in the form of a PSA. I'll write a few, and put different music backgrounds to it. Christopher Maxwell made his anti-IBOC spots PSAs for his site, http://www.digitaldisaster.org/ I work in public radio; I have access to a studio and various production programs for MP3 format (especially Sound Forge and ProTools). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 00:55:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32030 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 08:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 08:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 08:55:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2003 08:55:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 08:55:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: if it interferes, it's illegal! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15a.289bf0fa.2cf99ab2@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 609 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Key word mentioned was "analog stations" regarding an AM stations > channel allocation. OK....so what are the rules for a digital > station? The interference is coming from the digital transmission, > not the analog part of the stations transmission. Actually, ALL transmissions on the AM band have to conform to the NRSC spec, whether they be analog, hybrid IBOC, or full-digital IBOC. So even if it was one full-digital IBOC station interfering with another, paragraph (c) would apply, which would require the interference-causing station to conform to a more restrictive bandwidth specification. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 01:04:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85879 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 09:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 09:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 09:04:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2003 09:04:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:04:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: if it interferes, it's illegal! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1159 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Anyone notice anything out of the ordinary..or has WMCA changed its > operating perimeters lately? I don't think so... they're still licensed with the same 5 kW directional signal -- same pattern, day and night -- they've been using for decades. (A former CP to upgrade to a highly directional 50 kW signal was scrapped.) Perhaps the unusually strong signal you received from WMCA was due to 1.) atmospheric conditions, 2.) WMCA transmitting non-directional, and/or 3.) WMCA transmitting with a higher power level than normal. I know about two years ago, 1040 WCHR in Flemington, NJ, was using their 4700-watt daytime signal at night, instead of their normal 1000-watt nighttime signal. Their daytime pattern is shaped like a peanut towards the North and South, while their normal nighttime pattern is aimed due East. So, when they were using the daytime signal at night, I could hardly hear them about 30 miles towards the East in central NJ (as it's nulled in that direction), but when I visited Washington, DC -- some 150 miles away -- they were booming in loud and clear at night, due to the southward lobe of the "daytime" pattern. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Nov 29 07:08:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86259 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 15:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 15:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 15:08:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2003 15:08:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:08:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The IBOC List, Nov. 2003 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.187.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio You can add WZRC 1480 AM New York to the former testing stations, although I do believe they will be back :( From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Nov 29 07:34:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35257 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 15:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 15:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 15:34:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (d114-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.146]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hATFYoA61219 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 08:34:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 08:34:41 -0700 Subject: IBAC interference Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1070097805.399.54089.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: <8CDEA412-2281-11D8-BEC4-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla First, I can hear some hiss here over 1080 KGVY Green Valley, AZ. I assume that its from KNX. If you think IBAC sucks, the listener can always have a letter entered into the station file complaining that intentional and willful interference is being caused to a station you listen to by the IBAC emanations. Enough of these and the station will be real concerned. Kevin Mesa, Arizona On Saturday, November 29, 2003, at 02:23 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:05:04 -0600 > From: "Scott Todd" > Subject: Re: IBOC: if it interferes, it's illegal! > > It will depend entirely upon the aggressiveness of the AM station > owners. > If they just sit back and take it the band is finished. I know if any > of MY > stations were interfered with, I'd be calling almost from the moment I > discovered it. I'd first approach the offending station, then I'd go > to the > FCC if I got no satisfaction. What an opportunity for a struggling AM > station to hire some ambulance-chaser lawyer and sue to have the IBOC > discontinued at the other station, and use the proceeds for an upgrade. > > ST From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Nov 29 11:59:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43927 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 19:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 19:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 19:59:39 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031129195928.QSSO27510.fed1mtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:59:28 -0500 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 11:59:47 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBAC interference Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CDEA412-2281-11D8-BEC4-00050291D22F@fastq.com> Message-Id: <95AAB232-22A6-11D8-9B5D-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.243 From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As of 11:57 AM Saturday, 11/29, KNX is not using IBOC. They still have the stereo pilot on and have no sideband hash. On Saturday, November 29, 2003, at 07:34 AM, kevin wrote: > First, I can hear some hiss here over 1080 KGVY Green Valley, AZ. I > assume that its from KNX. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Nov 29 14:23:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 48993 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 22:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 22:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 22:23:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2003 22:23:48 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42643 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 14:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 14:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 14:27:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2003 14:27:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:27:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo Billboard Ad Campaign Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 921 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 29 Nov 2003 22:23:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 I noticed that WOKY is running a billboard campaign advertising AM stereo, I suppose they are using Clear Channels billboards and get a good rate. The billboards say: AM Stereo 920 WOKY Good News, Great Memories WOKY is in huge characters, and the rest is smaller. The most interesting thing to me about these billboards is that the ones I saw along the interstate are located in the null of their daytime pattern, and while not far from the towers, WOKY's signal is buried in noise and static near the location of the signs. Its been a long time since I had an AM stereo radio in my car, but as I remember it you had to switch to forced mono at that point because the AM stereo did such weird things it was unlistenable. IIRC in the AM stereo mode the audio became very loud and distorted. Strange that they would put signs in that area, yet I didn't notice any in areas with better reception. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 14:31:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34710 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 22:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 22:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 22:31:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2003 22:30:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:30:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Billboard Ad Campaign Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 740 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Strange that they would put signs in that area, yet I didn't notice > any in areas with better reception. Billboards for radio stations are often placed wherever they are the cheapest to advertise on, not where the station's best signal coverage is. Also, if the advertiser wants to be on billboards in a certain area, other billboards outside of that area (in a less travelled rural area, for example) are often thrown in as part of the deal. I would also assume that radio stations would place a billboard at the edge of their coverage area in the inbound direction, so that motorists who see it would tune them in just as the station's signal is starting to get stronger, and enjoy it clearly for a few dozen miles or so. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 15:53:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63426 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 23:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 23:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 23:53:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20031129235352.27264.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:53:52 PST Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:53:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: re: The IBOC List, Nov. 2003 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.145 From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio What about WSAI 1530 and their buzzsaw testing? I haven't heard it blasting for the past month? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Nov 29 16:04:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6463 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 00:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 00:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 00:04:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2003 00:04:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:04:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The IBOC List, Nov. 2003 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 93 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules You can add the following to the current use or testing column: 1200 WCHB Inkster, Michigan From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 16:33:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78781 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 00:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 00:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 00:33:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2003 00:33:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:32:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The IBOC List, Nov. 2003 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031129235352.27264.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 575 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What about WSAI 1530 and their buzzsaw testing? I haven't heard it > blasting for the past month? Additional stations which never registered their IBOC status with the FCC include 930 WPAT and 1480 WZRC in the New York City area, and 700 WLW and 1530 WSAI in Cincinnati -- all of which discontinued their testing of IBOC months ago. I believe 960 KABL in Oakland/San Francisco and 1500 WTOP in Washington, DC also tested IBOC years ago, but right now I am only keeping track of AM stations which have used IBOC since its preliminary FCC approval in October 2002. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 20:36:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35363 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 04:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 04:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 04:36:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2003 04:36:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 04:36:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBAC interference Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CDEA412-2281-11D8-BEC4-00050291D22F@fastq.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1482 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I'm in El Cajon, CA, where I get a decent groundwave signal from KNX, and I'm not hearing any hiss, at least not yet. I'll have to check tomorrow morning (daytime) and see what it's like. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin wrote: > First, I can hear some hiss here over 1080 KGVY Green Valley, AZ. I > assume that its from KNX. > > If you think IBAC sucks, the listener can always have a letter entered > into the station file complaining that intentional and willful > interference is being caused to a station you listen to by the IBAC > emanations. Enough of these and the station will be real concerned. > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona > > On Saturday, November 29, 2003, at 02:23 AM, > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:05:04 -0600 > > From: "Scott Todd" > > Subject: Re: IBOC: if it interferes, it's illegal! > > > > It will depend entirely upon the aggressiveness of the AM station > > owners. > > If they just sit back and take it the band is finished. I know if any > > of MY > > stations were interfered with, I'd be calling almost from the moment I > > discovered it. I'd first approach the offending station, then I'd go > > to the > > FCC if I got no satisfaction. What an opportunity for a struggling AM > > station to hire some ambulance-chaser lawyer and sue to have the IBOC > > discontinued at the other station, and use the proceeds for an upgrade. > > > > ST From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 01:35:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5628 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 09:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 09:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 09:35:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2003 09:35:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:35:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1560 WQEW is back! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 912 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics ...well, in recorded form, at least. In 1993, New York City's 1560 WQEW emerged to carry on the legacy of 1130 WNEW, playing American Popular Standards in AM Stereo -- at first, using the Kahn system, and then later in C-Quam AM Stereo. It came to an end in late December 1998, when WQEW flipped to a mono broadcast of Radio Disney, but I was lucky to make just a few recordings of WQEW's music, such as this one, as received on my Sony SRF-42, circa summer 1997: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wqew.mp3 Rather than an "out-of-the-box" Optimod, WQEW used custom audio processing, with a Hnat Hindes Compellor and Tri-Maze -- making them one of the few, if not the only, AM Stereo stations to use such units. It wasn't matrix processing, so the Stereo separation doesn't "jump out at you" like a heavily processed Optimod 9100, but it provided a full, rich, high-fidelity sound nonetheless. From scotthatley@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 03:15:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scotthatley@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90645 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 11:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 11:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.130.215) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 11:15:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20031130111536.98530.qmail@web10707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.188.238.191] by web10707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:15:36 GMT Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:15:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Where is analog AM stereo going? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.130.215 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Scott=20Hatley?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70828542 X-Yahoo-Profile: scotthatley Can anyone tell me what's happening with analogue AM stereo in the US? Is its popularity on the increase or decrease? ===== Moderator of The DAB Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DAB/ ________________________________________________________________________ Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 04:08:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98086 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 12:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 12:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 12:08:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2003 12:08:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:08:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Where is analog AM stereo going? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031130111536.98530.qmail@web10707.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1523 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Hatley wrote: > Can anyone tell me what's happening with analogue AM > stereo in the US? Is its popularity on the increase or > decrease? It could be best described as "nonexistant", since most radio listeners don't really care one way or the other anymore. Apathy is a great killer. There are still nearly 300 AM broadcasters in C-QUAM AM stereo, and millions- as many as 20 million- AM stereo radios still in use, mostly in cars, all of which are factory-installed, rather than customer-installed. There are NO AM stereo radios on the US market at this time, except for the notable exception of Fanfare's FTA-100 tuner, but that's out of most consumers' league. Listeners who want AM stereo either have to order overseas ( http://www.audiocubes.com ), have custom-built or custom-made radios built for them, or they would need to "roll their own". Broadcasting, like one political party's economic strategy, has become almost entirely "supply-side", of the "supply and demand" equation. In so doing, there seems to be this semi-mad rush to go to IBOC without really thinking of the listeners. In its path, sadly, is AM stereo, and we have been losing stations. Nevermind that AM steredo is a far cheaper alternative with an established, yet largely untapped, base. Our only hope is for those who stay with AM stereo against the odds, even if they must custom-build every part because the manufacturers have stopped. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 04:18:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54917 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 12:18:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 12:18:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 12:18:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20031130121827.82128.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 04:18:27 PST Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 04:18:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: The IBOC List, Nov. 2003 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031129235352.27264.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.81 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > What about WSAI 1530 and their buzzsaw testing? I > haven't heard it blasting > for the past month? I've heard it recently as 10 PM and not cycling as they were doing earlier. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From alinton@iol.ie Sun Nov 30 04:21:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34199 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 12:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 12:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO davros) (194.165.173.240) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 12:21:19 -0000 Received: from Spooler by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO000315; 30 Nov 03 12:21:19 -0000 Received: from spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v3.30); 30 Nov 03 12:21:07 -0000 Received: from FR1.totalbroadcast.net (192.168.0.1) by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG000314; 30 Nov 03 12:21:03 -0000 X-MSReally-From: alinton@iol.ie Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031130122053.0493f748@fr1> X-Sender: alinton@fr1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:21:01 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Athlone 100kW site Mime-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 194.165.173.240 From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys, I know it's off-topic, but thought some of you might be interested in a pictorial tour around RTE's famous Athlone transmitting site in Ireland. Currently running 100kW on 612kHz with a Continental rig, but the previous two transmitters are still there - a Brown-Boveri unit (1958-1979) and the original Marconi (also 100kW) 1933 - 1958). Now that is a piece of work! click to: http://tinyurl.com/x11r rgds ----------------------------------- Andy Linton Waterford, Ireland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 04:22:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27891 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 12:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 12:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 12:22:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20031130122222.68015.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 04:22:22 PST Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 04:22:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: WSAI To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW WSAI is indeed running the IBOC during the day. In the early morning they come in well down here in South Carolina, and when they come in strongly, it eats up the local Newberry 1520 until you get fairly close in, well into the local coverage. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From scotthatley@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 08:35:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scotthatley@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40761 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 16:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 16:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 16:35:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2003 16:35:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:35:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Where is analog AM stereo going? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1846 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "scotthatley" X-Originating-IP: 172.188.238.191 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70828542 X-Yahoo-Profile: scotthatley So with so few am stereo tuners about will more and more stations stop transmitting am stereo or will it be revived some how? IBOC help to kill it off as well I assume. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Hatley > wrote: > > Can anyone tell me what's happening with analogue AM > > stereo in the US? Is its popularity on the increase or > > decrease? > > It could be best described as "nonexistant", since most radio > listeners don't really care one way or the other anymore. Apathy is a > great killer. > > There are still nearly 300 AM broadcasters in C-QUAM AM stereo, and > millions- as many as 20 million- AM stereo radios still in use, > mostly in cars, all of which are factory-installed, rather than > customer-installed. There are NO AM stereo radios on the US market at > this time, except for the notable exception of Fanfare's FTA-100 > tuner, but that's out of most consumers' league. Listeners who want > AM stereo either have to order overseas ( > http://www.audiocubes.com ), have custom-built or custom-made radios > built for them, or they would need to "roll their own". > > Broadcasting, like one political party's economic strategy, has > become almost entirely "supply-side", of the "supply and demand" > equation. In so doing, there seems to be this semi-mad rush to go to > IBOC without really thinking of the listeners. In its path, sadly, is > AM stereo, and we have been losing stations. Nevermind that AM > steredo is a far cheaper alternative with an established, yet largely > untapped, base. > > Our only hope is for those who stay with AM stereo against the odds, > even if they must custom-build every part because the manufacturers > have stopped. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 10:39:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40677 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 18:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 18:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 18:39:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2003 18:39:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:39:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Where is analog AM stereo going? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2919 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "scotthatley" wrote: > So with so few am stereo tuners about will more and more stations > stop transmitting am stereo or will it be revived some how? IBOC > help to kill it off as well I assume. Considering that the only new AM stereo radios available come in the cars bought- Just the traditionally "American" makes of Chrysler, GM and Ford- coupled with the almost total lack of awareness (or more accurate, apathy), your assessment is completely correct. Those shutting off the AM stereo strongly believe there are no AM stereo receivers whatsoever, and believe it's a waste of time and money to cater to what they think is a non-existant listenership. The ratings systems (Nielsen, Arbitron) make no attempt to see if anyone DOES have an AM stereo radio, much less listen to it, so the stations have no clue that there may be, and apathy prevents those from coming forth about it, too. Listeners don't really care either way even if an FM station is stereo or not. It just doesn't matter. As for IBOC, it's already driving stations to abandon AM stereo, where there's already a non-existant interest in the system from the public- In fact, it will not only succeed in driving stations from AM stereo (America's NAB is solidly behind it), but it will drive listeners away between interference and poor quality sound, the kind of poor sound that gets annoying after a while, that can't even be masked by the poorer-quality narrow-bandwidth AM mono receivers. I would call IBOC the industry's attempt to shoot themselves in their collective feet, twice-- But that's just my reaction to the mess. The future of AM stereo broadcasting is very murky, right now, in the US-- It would depend on those toughing it out, those that attempt to migrate to the LW and SW bands (against ITU regulations, even though these bands have been rapidly clearing of now-obsolete services, such as radio-teletype, HF-facsimile weather, and maring moble services), and those willing to preserve the concepts and technology and ride out until IBOC expires in a decade (watch it be dropped like a hot potato once the patents become PD!), and rebuild the AM broadcast band from scratch. I believe in AM stereo, and I'll continue to support it to the day I die, and I hope to be one who rides out the fiasco that is IBOC, and keep AM stereo alive for future generations. But yes, it really is that bad, right now. It's extremely unsettling to watch what's happening. At least I'm trying to do SOMETHING about AM stereo, even if I can't prevent IBOC. There are a few other brave sould here who are trying to do the same- It would be nice if it totaled the over- 250 subscribers to this list, and the 22 of the other, but the number, I fear, is closer to 20, mostly here. I believe AM stereo can survive, but not without effort. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith@vfr.net Sun Nov 30 11:16:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52636 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 19:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 19:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 19:16:40 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-55-164.rev.o1.com [66.81.55.164]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hAUJGbp57072; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:16:38 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c3b776$22318340$a4375142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: here here amy!!!! Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:14:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Here Here Amy mouse well said!!!! Its to bad Chris Cuff is dry docked right now because his campains would be more impotant than ever right now. Unless some one can take over for him till he can do it agan if he wants some one to. Unforchanitly i can,t do it. Jim S From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 11:17:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83433 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 19:17:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 19:17:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 19:17:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2003 19:17:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:17:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: The AM Stereo Survival Kit Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1571 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie For some time, I have said we need to help AM stereo survive by keeping the technology and the knowledge available. What I would like to see is more AM stereo projects made publicly available for the hobbyist/experimentor/etc. To that end, here is my AMS wishlist, or if you will, an AMS "survival kit": AM stereo receiver circuits (with and without the C-QUAM demodulator chip- The chip isn't THAT complicated!) An AMS exciter. Yes, there are the Alfredo and Alfredo Lite transmitters, but neither work as true exciters, for those who are using hand-me-down transmitters, formerly used by broadcasters, now largely used by hams and pirates. A C-QUAM monitor, both with and without the chip. (Don't rely on the chip being available! Only Toshiba still makes them, as Motorola long ago stopped, and no longer supports anything C-QUAM.) Audio processors, especially a matrix processor specificly for AM stereo. AMS-specific audio content, ie promos, etc. Promote AM stereo online, with downloable promos. Awareness counts. :) Nearly everything else that I can imagine, on the receiving and transmitting ends, aren't AMS-specific, and should be easily available for quite some time-- Even publicly available online. Hopefully this can be a start; hopefully, there would be a few who would want to take this challenge. We may not be able to stop IBOC, but we CAN ride it out, and make sure the very knowledge and technology survives with us. And to quote a good friend, here: "What have YOU done for AM stereo?" AM stereo forever. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 11:27:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26983 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 19:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 19:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 19:27:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2003 19:27:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:27:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: here here amy!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c3b776$22318340$a4375142@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 945 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" wrote: > Here Here Amy mouse well said!!!! Its to bad Chris Cuff is dry docked > right now because his campains would be more impotant than ever right now. > Unless some one can take over for him till he can do it agan if he wants > some one to. Unforchanitly i can,t do it. Jim S I know there are several here who CAN do it- There are a number of hams in this group, and you have to have some knowledge of electronics to get the license. There have been others who have made radios, or modified them entirely on their own, and even one has made an AM stereo exciter for his HF rig. All the relevant (pre-1983) C-QUAM patents have long since expired, so no-one would be stepping on anyone else's feet, now- Just get the knowledge out there, and someone, someday, will build it. C-QUAM for the people. AM stereo for the future. The future is NOW. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Sun Nov 30 12:15:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57229 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 20:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 20:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 20:15:18 -0000 Message-ID: <004701c3b77e$e15df7a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031130122222.68015.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSAI Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:16:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Have you ever prompted the Newberry station to complain to the FCC about WSAI's interference? If the interfered with stations just sit back and take it, they may just as well turn in their license tomorrow. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" To: Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 6:22 AM Subject: {AMSF} WSAI > WSAI is indeed running the IBOC during the day. In the > early morning they come in well down here in South > Carolina, and when they come in strongly, it eats up > the local Newberry 1520 until you get fairly close in, > well into the local coverage. > > > Powell > > ===== > powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From amstereorules@msn.com Sun Nov 30 12:41:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69667 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 20:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 20:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 20:41:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2003 20:41:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:41:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS Promotion - getting the word out this week Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031127173708.42515.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 268 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >If anybody has this weeks "Radio World" publication - a Fanfare >tuner got a half-page about FM translator use, but they also used a >quote regarding AM Stereo on their other tuner! And I noticed your name mentioned as well, Mr. John from Toledo, Buckeye State USA! From stodd@vippn.com Sun Nov 30 13:26:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89798 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 21:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 21:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 21:26:39 -0000 Message-ID: <00ba01c3b788$d4861c60$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Survival Kit Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:43:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Right now I have a fair amount of AMS gear waiting for me. I can't divulge from who or with what organization, but he's a regional engineer for one of the biggies. All I have to do is arrange a pickup. He had come to my church to sing with a gospel quartet, and since we knew each other somewhat beforehand, it was easy to persuade him to do this favor for me. I only wish I had the time and talent to design some low-cost AMS stuff as you had described. I'm about a year behind, but I think this winter I'll get to the stuff I've already got and get a pirate station on 540 going if I can. You know the old saying "If you want to make God laugh, just tell him your plans." Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > And to quote a good friend, here: "What have YOU done for AM stereo?" From stodd@vippn.com Sun Nov 30 13:26:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35334 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 21:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 21:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 21:26:43 -0000 Message-ID: <00bc01c3b788$d6a6d980$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031130122053.0493f748@fr1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Athlone 100kW site Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:19:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thanks for the tour, Andy. Have you thought of submitting all this to Radio World? I just love touring transmitter sites. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Linton" > Currently running 100kW on 612kHz with a Continental rig, but the previous > two transmitters are still there - a Brown-Boveri unit (1958-1979) and the > original Marconi (also 100kW) 1933 - 1958). > > Now that is a piece of work! From stodd@vippn.com Sun Nov 30 13:26:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68803 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 21:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 21:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 21:26:41 -0000 Message-ID: <00bb01c3b788$d592aa60$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Survival Kit Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:47:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude One other thought on this- the processor in the full version Alfredo is a matrix processor, it just needs to be adapted to an available chip and maybe built by itself aside from the main transmitter. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > Audio processors, especially a matrix processor specificly for AM > stereo. From stodd@vippn.com Sun Nov 30 13:26:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73876 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 21:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 21:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 21:26:45 -0000 Message-ID: <00bd01c3b788$d7a29ea0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Where is analog AM stereo going? Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:27:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude So what stations are attempting to migrate to these bands here in the US? I haven't heard of any; never seen anything written on it in RadioWorld. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > The future of AM stereo broadcasting is very murky, right now, in the > US-- It would depend on those toughing it out, those that attempt to > migrate to the LW and SW bands (against ITU regulations, even though > these bands have been rapidly clearing of now-obsolete services, such > as radio-teletype, HF-facsimile weather, and maring moble services), > and those willing to preserve the concepts and technology and ride > out until IBOC expires in a decade (watch it be dropped like a hot > potato once the patents become PD!), and rebuild the AM broadcast > band from scratch. From stodd@vippn.com Sun Nov 30 14:05:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81199 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 22:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2003 22:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 22:05:17 -0000 Message-ID: <00f701c3b78e$3efb4700$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Survival Kit Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:06:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's not quite true- ON Semiconductor does make the 13022, and since they were formerly owned by Motorola could make a run of any type in the future if a manufacturer wanted OEM quantities. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > A C-QUAM monitor, both with and without the chip. (Don't rely on the > chip being available! Only Toshiba still makes them, as Motorola long > ago stopped, and no longer supports anything C-QUAM.) From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 16:28:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57871 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 00:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 00:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 00:28:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20031201002818.73627.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.218.120] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:28:18 PST Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:28:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSAI To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004701c3b77e$e15df7a0$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > Have you ever prompted the Newberry station to > complain to the FCC about > WSAI's interference? If the interfered with > stations just sit back and take > it, they may just as well turn in their license > tomorrow. > > Scott Todd Those folks barely know how to turn it onAnd, ummmm, well listening to IBOC hiss might be more enjoyable. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 16:33:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 634 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 00:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 00:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 00:33:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20031201003325.9815.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.218.120] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:33:25 PST Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:33:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Where is analog AM stereo going? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00bd01c3b788$d7a29ea0$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > So what stations are attempting to migrate to these > bands here in the US? I > haven't heard of any; never seen anything written on > it in RadioWorld. > > ST I haven't either. I'd love to have a 1 KW tropical band allocation to play with. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 17:23:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27384 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 01:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 01:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 01:23:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 01:23:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:23:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Survival Kit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00bb01c3b788$d592aa60$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 539 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > One other thought on this- the processor in the full version Alfredo is a > matrix processor, it just needs to be adapted to an available chip and maybe > built by itself aside from the main transmitter. I quite agree in both assessments- And good luck on your pirate- When you get it going, let us know what it's running. :) I'm not too concerned about where the parts are from, as long as they find usefulness instead of the scrap heap. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 17:29:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86887 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 01:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 01:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 01:29:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 01:29:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:29:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Where is analog AM stereo going? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00bd01c3b788$d7a29ea0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 638 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > So what stations are attempting to migrate to these bands here in the US? I > haven't heard of any; never seen anything written on it in RadioWorld. Not the broadcasters, but the pirates, LPAM, Part 15, "freebanders" and other community-type broadcasters- Those who would take squatter's rights on the abandoned bands. The very ones who will be the first squeezed out off the broadcast bands. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (In a hostile climate, those who prevented from participating legally take their campaigns underground. History has repeatedly borne this out.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 17:31:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88229 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 01:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 01:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 01:31:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 01:31:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:31:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Survival Kit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00f701c3b78e$3efb4700$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 455 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > That's not quite true- ON Semiconductor does make the 13022, and since they > were formerly owned by Motorola could make a run of any type in the future > if a manufacturer wanted OEM quantities. They sell Motorola's remaining stocks, but no, they don't make the '022 or any other AM stereo chip- None are in their catalogs. I actually did search their site. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 17:34:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58494 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 01:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 01:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 01:34:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 01:34:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:34:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Where is analog AM stereo going? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031201003325.9815.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 534 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Scott Todd wrote: > > So what stations are attempting to migrate to these > > bands here in the US? I > > haven't heard of any; never seen anything written on > > it in RadioWorld. > > I haven't either. I'd love to have a 1 KW tropical > band allocation to play with. Perhaps it's time to petition the ITU to do something about it. There have been a few other attempts, but not enough to change anything. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 17:48:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47002 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 01:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 01:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 01:48:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 01:47:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:47:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The AM Stereo Survival Kit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00bb01c3b788$d592aa60$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > One other thought on this- the processor in the full version > Alfredo is a matrix processor, it just needs to be adapted to an > available chip and maybe built by itself aside from the main > transmitter. This has not been officially confirmed yet, but I've heard that next spring, Orban will be coming out with the Optimod 9300, which will basically be a Stereo version of the 9200. I don't know if that necessarily means full-fledged matrix processing for AM Stereo, but since it's an all-digital design anyway, implementing that would only be a matter of programming the computer code. And speaking of which, the future of AM radio is digital -- but not necessarily in the way it's broadcast on the air! Digital-based receivers have been in production for years, and Harris already has digitally-modulated AM transmitters, where the audio remains digital until the final RF output circuit. Delphi has already made prototype DSP-based receivers which support both AM Stereo and IBOC -- in fact, the folks at WOR have one on their workbench, although I don't know if it's been updated to work with the new "HDC" codec. And furthermore, I'd say any IBOC exciter could be easily programmed to generate a C-Quam AM Stereo signal, just as any IBOC receiver can be programmed to receive an AM Stereo signal, as both use quadrature modulation, and what you put into or extract from those "I" and "Q" components can just as easily be analog audio as it could be digital data. The key is to use a combination of analog and digital technology, in a way that obtains the maximum benefit. For example, computers are obviously digital devices, but the video signal that is being sent to your CRT is analog -- because that's what works best at allowing it to display high-resolution, true-color video. The only thing that throws a monkey wrench into the works of this scheme is corporate politics. iBiquity is a prime example, as they want IBOC to be a completely proprietary system. They nearly went out of business in trying to make their own PAC audio codec work, and even now that they have reverted to the open-standard AAC-Plus codec, they've still modified it just enough so they can call it "HDC" and charge their own licensing fees for it. But when the FCC really wants to, it can force companies to push their corporate arrogance aside and work together to create a unified standard -- just like they did with MTS TV Stereo and DTV. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 17:51:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2869 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 01:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 01:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 01:51:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 01:51:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:51:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WSAI Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031201002818.73627.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 464 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Those folks barely know how to turn it onAnd, ummmm, > well listening to IBOC hiss might be more enjoyable. That's unfortunate, because as I interpret the FCC's ruling, only the stations being interfered with can file an interference complaint, with the goal of getting the IBOC station to reduce the power level of its digital sidebands or cease IBOC transmissions entirely; complaints sent to the FCC from individual listeners won't count for anything. From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Nov 30 19:43:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67118 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 03:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 03:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 03:43:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 03:43:44 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20300 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 02:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 02:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 02:55:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 02:55:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 02:55:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Athlone 100kW site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031130122053.0493f748@fr1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1683 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.143 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Dec 2003 03:43:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Andy Linton wrote: > Guys, > > I know it's off-topic, but thought some of you might be interested in a > pictorial tour around RTE's famous Athlone transmitting site in Ireland. > > Currently running 100kW on 612kHz with a Continental rig, but the previous > two transmitters are still there - a Brown-Boveri unit (1958-1979) and the > original Marconi (also 100kW) 1933 - 1958). > > Now that is a piece of work! I have to agree, that Marconi is one cool transmitter. I wonder what it would take to adapt it to AM stereo operation? The Marconi appears to be very similar to those used by the BBC. In fact I suspect that the console in front of the Brown-Boveri transmitter that is identified as the one that "controlled RF" is actually the console for the Marconi transmitter, as the same console design appears in pictures of the BBC Marconis. I suppose it might have been "repurposed" to serve the Brown-Boveri transmitter. If the Marconi transmitter is similar to those used by the BBC, then your speculation that it used low level modulation is correct. Did the Brown-Boveri transmitter include anything that looked like a "large modulation transformer"? I suspect that the valves in the "second cabinet" are the water cooled final valves for the 100 kW linear amplifier. Great pictures, it would be good to see more historical information on these great old Marconi transmitters. The mention of the old "T" antenna also brings back memories, I worked for a station that was still using one in the 1960's, and I thought it was outdated then, here these guy's are still using one today! John From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Nov 30 22:26:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 35136 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 06:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 06:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 06:26:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 06:26:14 -0000 Date: 1 Dec 2003 06:26:12 -0000 Message-ID: <1070259972.52164.34325.w6@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /pdf/orban.pdf Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Obran product list/price sheet -- including the Optimod 9100B2 AM Stereo audio processor You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/orban.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From dav259@csiro.au Mon Dec 01 00:15:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87316 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 08:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 08:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 08:15:43 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB18FbiR025777; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:15:39 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:15:37 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: am stereo Cc: Jim Smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} here here amy!!!! In-Reply-To: <000701c3b776$22318340$a4375142@jimsmith> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 30 Nov 2003, JimSmith wrote: > Here Here Amy mouse well said!!!! Its to bad Chris Cuff is dry docked > right now because his campains would be more impotant than ever right > now. > Unless some one can take over for him till he can do it agan if he wants > some one to. Unforchanitly i can,t do it. Jim S Hey Jim You're doing more than most. Good luck with the commercial and keep punching! At least you've got some people thinking rather than bellyaching. We've all got to think what we personally can do for the good of the cause. Who knows? If a commercial can generate some demand for receivers in just one market (particularly in CA) God only knows what might happen? From little acorns big oak trees grow. And we all know how inexpensive it would be for any big manufacturer to include AMS in its radios. I notice Scott Hatley's DAB list is already a little bigger than this one. All the more reason for us to try a bit harder. In several years I don't want it ever to be said that AM stereo is now gone. Why didn't I try harder to save it. We know how good it is. We know how cheap it is. We know it's still a big secret to many (most in Oz!). We are the ones who should be promoting it! Ian Melbourne From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Mon Dec 01 02:36:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68051 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 10:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 10:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.18) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 10:36:48 -0000 Received: from user-1003.bhm24.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.147.235] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AQlQ7-0001nX-9K for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:36:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:35:31 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: The AM Stereo survival kit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.18 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Amy, Re your thoughts on a suitable AMS exciter. These are still out there, Delta, BE and I believe one or two others even if they are rather expensive. I am currently importing from two foreign companies both of which are working independently on new AM TX designs for me. One has expressed an interest in producing an AMS exciter. What basic spec would you like to see? One problem I see is that an exciter normally drives a linear amplifier and these are not readily available for AM band use. I only know of one Australian made unit of 2-3Kw. My colleague is thinking along the lines of a low power AM transmitter, frequency agile, pin diode switched LP filters, and PDM mod and with an RF carrier output in the region of 100w (400w peak). If either of these turn out well I will consider putting one through FCC type approval. Regarding matrix processors then you have the CRL Amigo's, inexpensive compared to a 9100B. I cut a nice deal earlier this week, Motorola C-QUAM exciter and matching AMS mod monitor for $350. Having them shipped to Frisco for my forthcoming trip to the US. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Mon Dec 01 03:42:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34136 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 11:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 11:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.21) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 11:23:31 -0000 Received: from user-1003.bhm24.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.147.235] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AQm9K-00029h-I2 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:23:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:22:01 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AMS stations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.21 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man I read this on one of the broadcast reflectors and thought one of you may wish to encourage Bob to switch his AMS back on sooner rather than later: From: "bstroupe" To: Subject: RE: [BC] SRF A100 Reply-To: broadcast@broadcast.net Your memory of listening to KKBQ (AM) must be of daytime listening. The four tower, daytime antenna is nice and broadband but the eight tower nighttime antenna is good to only about 8 kHz. In fact, the station had two Optimod 9100's, one day, one night. The night Optimod had a special custom filter to limit audio bandwidth to 8 kHz. When I came to the station 13 years ago, they were running Motorola AM stereo. The STL was composite with a Belar FM stereo monitor acting as a decoder. The Kahn system was sitting on shelf (still is). Due to STL problems, the station reverted back to mono; however the Motorola equipment is still there and we have a much better transmitter (DX-10). Since the station programs mostly music, we may someday turn the stereo back on. Bob Stroupe ____________________________________________________________ -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 04:18:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94611 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 12:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 12:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 12:18:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 12:18:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:18:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The AM Stereo survival kit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2257 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Amy, > > Re your thoughts on a suitable AMS exciter. These are still out there, > Delta, BE and I believe one or two others even if they are rather > expensive. There's a Japanese exciter/transmitter maker as well, but I forget which. However, again, as I have said a number of times before, I don't believe in relying on commercial manufacturers to continue to support AM stereo, and would actually prefer to have designs that would be publicly available and made with as common of parts as possible. My concern here is as much for the low-budget broadcaster and hobbyist as possible. > I am currently importing from two foreign companies both of which are > working independently on new AM TX designs for me. One has expressed an > interest in producing an AMS exciter. What basic spec would you like to > see? One problem I see is that an exciter normally drives a linear > amplifier and these are not readily available for AM band use. I only The most common exciter type is the kind that modulates the L-R PM signal at the XTAL feed, particularly since crystal-fed transmitters are still very common. > know of one Australian made unit of 2-3Kw. My colleague is thinking > along the lines of a low power AM transmitter, frequency agile, pin > diode switched LP filters, and PDM mod and with an RF carrier output in > the region of 100w (400w peak). If either of these turn out well I will > consider putting one through FCC type approval. Now the question is, does anybody want them? > Regarding matrix processors then you have the CRL Amigo's, inexpensive > compared to a 9100B. And probably still out of most hobbyists' price ranges, I bet. :( My idea here is for a "homebrew" matrix processor design, something a hobbyist might want to build. > I cut a nice deal earlier this week, Motorola C-QUAM exciter and > matching AMS mod monitor for $350. Having them shipped to Frisco for my > forthcoming trip to the US. Damn. That's an excellent deal you snagged- Almost affordable for someone like me. Almost, but not quite. That, and I have no old transmitter of this kind to play with to use these on. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 08:13:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1879 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 16:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 16:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 16:13:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 16:13:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:13:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS stations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 359 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I read this on one of the broadcast reflectors and thought one of > you may wish to encourage Bob to switch his AMS back on sooner > rather than later: Note that Bob Stroupe is the Houston Director of Engineering for Clear Channel, and 790 KKBQ -- now called KBME "Star 790" with an Adult Standards music format -- is, of course, owned by Clear Channel. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 08:40:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24754 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 16:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 16:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 16:40:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 16:38:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:38:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The AM Stereo survival kit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 399 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > And probably still out of most hobbyists' price ranges, I bet. :( My > idea here is for a "homebrew" matrix processor design, something a > hobbyist might want to build. Although not intended for AM Stereo, it appears that this inexpensive unit has matrix processing -- or what it calls "Cross linked L - R & R - L dynamic matrix system": http://www.nrgkits.com/radiokits/stereo_limiter.htm From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 08:43:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13758 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 16:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 16:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 16:43:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 16:42:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:42:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo Optimod 9100B on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 115 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics It's on eBay again -- Buy It Now (only) for $2450: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2577423828 From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 09:33:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14550 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 17:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 17:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 17:33:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 17:32:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:32:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The AM Stereo survival kit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 748 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > And probably still out of most hobbyists' price ranges, I bet. :( My > > idea here is for a "homebrew" matrix processor design, something a > > hobbyist might want to build. > > Although not intended for AM Stereo, it appears that this inexpensive > unit has matrix processing -- or what it calls "Cross linked L - R & > R - L dynamic matrix system": > > http://www.nrgkits.com/radiokits/stereo_limiter.htm Even pre-built, that's actually a good bargain for hobbyists, at 90UKP, or about US$140, plus another ~$20 for shipping costs. Now, if it can actually do a good job, audio-wise on AM stereo as it is for FM stereo, then fantastic. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Dec 01 14:52:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21979 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 22:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 22:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 22:52:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 22:51:45 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28288 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 21:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 21:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 21:54:44 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.15.1dabc401 (16633) for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:54:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <15.1dabc401.2cfd129d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:54:37 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Survival Kit To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.36 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Dec 2003 22:51:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 Another thing I would like to see is an attempt to refile the AM Receiver Standards Petition, and filing a petition to permanently revoke type acceptance for IBOC-DAB on both AM and FM. Scott and several others filed a petition to the FCC in 2000 on the issue of AM receiver standards, which included requiring all FM receivers that received Stereo transmissions to also receive AM Stereo. As far as I know, nothing came of it. I think it's high time to refile that petition, with an amendment to require all receivers sold in the U.S. after a certain date to also receive at least four shortwave broadcast bands, and ban the sale of IBOC receivers, and a requirement that all stations operating with 50,000 watts using non-directional antenna systems broadcast in AM Stereo, regardless of format. Not only will it improve the quality of AM receivers, but also make more quality programming accessible to the public without spending exorbitant sums of money annually on XM (partly owned by Clear Channel) or Sirius satellite radio, which offers very few of the world's leading shortwave broadcasters. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 15:43:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66490 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 23:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 23:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 23:43:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 23:42:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:42:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Survival Kit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15.1dabc401.2cfd129d@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1372 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: =snip= You're living in a dream, Eric- The radio industry, which has far more clout than any petition (except for the recent stopping of the further deregulation of broadcasters, but THAT could only have happened under widespread awareness by the Public At Large- A campaign feat we would be totally unable to match), is far more interested in the bottom line than any form of quality, whether in transmission or reception standards, or of content- They don't care unless they maximize profits with minimal expenditures. 50 years ago, this would have been different, especially with rapid advances in both the broadcast and recording media, but not today. As I have said, time and again, I can't rely on the industry to do the right thing, and support higher-quality broadcast and reception standards, much less programming standards, nore the regulators, since money talks, and the industry has the money, and we don't. Commercial radio, as I see it, is a lost cause- It's up to individuals like us to keep AM stereo from becoming just another speedbump in the history books, and keep it alive WITHOUT the industry's help. (This isn't to say that I won't support commercial/licensed broadcasters who keep the faith- They're as much bucking the industry, too, by doing so.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Dec 01 16:25:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88565 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 00:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 00:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.9) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 00:25:23 -0000 Received: from logs-mtc-tj.proxy.aol.com (logs-mtc-tj.proxy.aol.com [64.12.106.5]) by rly-ip05.mx.aol.com (v95.1) with ESMTP id RELAYIN9-a3fcbd87f11c; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:10:39 -0500 Received: from ibm (ACA90B40.ipt.aol.com [172.169.11.64]) by logs-mtc-tj.proxy.aol.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB207T84046164; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:07:34 GMT Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:07:34 GMT Message-ID: <000401c3b867$6531a340$400ba9ac@aoldsl.net> To: , Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Apparently-From: DodgeRamTrucker@aol.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.106.5 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.138.9 From: "Possum Hunter" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote on 12/1/03 1:26: >Description : Obran product list/price sheet -- including the Optimod 9100= B2 AM Stereo audio processor=20 Wouldn't we ALL love to have a 9100B/2 driving our Part 15s. Possum Remember: Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get y= ou. From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Dec 01 19:09:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 538 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 03:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 03:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 03:09:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:09:46 -0800 Received: from 172.138.232.62 by bay7-dav35.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 03:09:46 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <15.1dabc401.2cfd129d@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Survival Kit Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:03:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2003 03:09:46.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD6460B0:01C3B881] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.92 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.138.232.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: >I think it's high time to refile that petition, with an amendment to require all receivers sold in the U.S. after a certain date to also receive at least four shortwave broadcast bands, and ban the sale of IBOC receivers, Such an unreasonable petition will only hurt, not help our cause. A more reasonable petition such as the one that the FCC approved to help UHF TV stations in the '70s would be much better. Require all AM-FM radios with FM Stereo to include AM Stereo. Require the AM section to have the same audio specs as the FM, up to 9.5Khz.. Require HD radios to include C-QUAM and meet certain standards for AM sensitivity and distortion. Require all radios that the MSRP is over a certain amount include DSP and other technology to improve AM sound. Require Longwave to be included with the same audio specs as AM. On the other side of the coin, The petition should require all broadcasters to meet certain audio standards and provide a proof of performance test twice a year. The audio standards should apply to everything in the air chain and audio chain, NOT just the transmitter! IOW, no 5K phone lines feeding the transmitter! Require stations with a news or talk format to use 5khz low pass filters if in Mono, or NRSC if in Stereo on audio and Music format stations to use NRCS filters if Mono, but allow 15K audio if in analog Stereo. Legalize Kahn ISB Stereo. Open the Longwave broadcast band to US broadcasters to releive congestion on the medium wave band. Open the 90 Meter "Tropical" band to 1KW unlimited unlicensed non-comercial stations with no external support that are privatly owned by individuals with no programming allowed that is produced off site and the transmitter and studio must be located on the same site...I know where there is a certain RCA BTA1R1 just itching to bounce a signal off of the ionosphere! Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 20:06:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92508 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 04:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 04:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 04:06:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20031202040618.6982.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.126] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:06:18 PST Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:06:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000401c3b867$6531a340$400ba9ac@aoldsl.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.85 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote on 12/1/03 1:26: > > >Description : Obran product list/price sheet -- > including the Optimod 9100B2 AM Stereo audio > processor > > Wouldn't we ALL love to have a 9100B/2 driving our > Part 15s. > > Possum Indeed. One morning I came up to WKDK early and recorded music, and used the Optimod output patched to the recorder. Then when I played it at home, it modulated soooo much better..... ]:) Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From stodd@vippn.com Mon Dec 01 20:08:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73248 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 04:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 04:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 04:08:13 -0000 Message-ID: <000201c3b87a$ffd55dc0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Where is analog AM stereo going? Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:38:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Hmmm... it would be interesting to try CQuAM on the tropical bands using a straight up bounce from the ionosphere. I've got most of the parts to make an HF rig, the big snags being time and metalwork. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > Not the broadcasters, but the pirates, LPAM, Part 15, "freebanders" > and other community-type broadcasters- From stodd@vippn.com Mon Dec 01 20:12:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25012 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 04:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 04:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 04:12:04 -0000 Message-ID: <000301c3b87b$0d0f4aa0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Survival Kit Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:40:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They'd still have the dies, so anyone ordering in OEM quantities should be able to get them. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > They sell Motorola's remaining stocks, but no, they don't make > the '022 or any other AM stereo chip- None are in their catalogs. I > actually did search their site. From stodd@vippn.com Mon Dec 01 20:12:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2531 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 04:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 04:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 04:12:05 -0000 Message-ID: <000501c3b87b$2d251900$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} here here amy!!!! Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:50:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think you've missed Amy's point- it can't be up to the receiver manufacturers to put these things out. So you generate a demand with the commercials. What happens if the manufacturers don't respond or respond in time? You've done nothing for the cause. If some easily constructed circuits can be made public domain and THEN we come out with the commercial, we might be able to succeed. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" > We've all got to think what we personally can do for the good of the > cause. Who knows? If a commercial can generate some demand for receivers > in just one market (particularly in CA) God only knows what might happen? > >From little acorns big oak trees grow. And we all know how inexpensive it > would be for any big manufacturer to include AMS in its radios. From stodd@vippn.com Mon Dec 01 20:12:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83832 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 04:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 04:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 04:12:06 -0000 Message-ID: <000601c3b87b$38352100$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo survival kit Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:59:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No, the exciters drive very much a class-C environment, not linear, since it is PM. The L+R is sent to the modulator stage. Exciters were connected at the crystal socket in older rigs. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" > One problem I see is that an exciter normally drives a linear > amplifier and these are not readily available for AM band use. I only > know of one Australian made unit of 2-3Kw. From stodd@vippn.com Mon Dec 01 21:22:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65965 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 05:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 05:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 05:22:10 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c3b87c$b71d1da0$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: test Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:33:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Been having problems getting email out to some addresses lately. ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From larry@allclassical.org Mon Dec 01 23:48:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: larry@allclassical.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72068 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 07:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 07:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 07:48:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2003 07:48:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:48:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1634 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "massiffe2000" X-Originating-IP: 63.105.27.242 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167542413 X-Yahoo-Profile: massiffe2000 Hi everybody. Just joined the group yesterday, and wanted to let you know that we installed AM stereo on KBPS, Portland, OR on Nov. 28. KBPS is a 738 watt non-D station run by the K-12 Portland Public Schools. It is located at Benson Polytechnic High School and operated by the school's radio education program. Unused stereo equipment was available in town, so we did some begging and 'horse-trading' and voila' -stereo. The station has a recent Nautel ND1 solid state transmitter, and we're using the Broadcast Electronics AX10 exciter, considered by many to possess the best sound quality. The audio processing consists of a Behringer Ultradyne 6-band digital processor feeding a stereo Orban Optimod 9100A. The sound is pretty good. It would be better with an Omnia AM stereo digital processor, but that is out of financial reach at the moment. KBPS is one of the few AM stations in Portland with a music format. It is a 'Kid Rhythm' format during the day, somewhat like a Radio Disney format, but skewed younger. At night the station is leased to Portland State University and has a typical college radio fare. (The PSU program is currently in mono, but we're working on a low-cost means to get their program to the transmitter in stereo). We intentionally did not promote this ahead of time, turned it on and waited to see if anyone noticed. On the same day, two radio station engineers noticed and emailed me. Now the word is out in the local industry. I'm somewhat expecting the 'waste of time' comment soon. But, who cares? It's an interesting thing to do. I've said enough. Comments are welcomed. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 00:11:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87293 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 08:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 08:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 08:10:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2003 08:10:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 08:10:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 776 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.43 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "massiffe2000" wrote: > Hi everybody. Just joined the group yesterday, and wanted to let you > know that we installed AM stereo on KBPS, Portland, OR on Nov. 28. > KBPS is a 738 watt non-D station run by the K-12 Portland Public > Schools. It is located at Benson Polytechnic High School and > operated by the school's radio education program. Congratulations, and welcome to the AM stereo faithful! :) You did neglect to tell us what your frequency you're on, so I did a web search. KBPS is on 1450. Again, congratulations on going to AM stereo. :) I assume some of your equipment probably came from KGNW or KEX- I miss hearing KEX in stereo down here on the other side of the CA/OR border. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Tue Dec 02 02:29:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79741 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 10:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 10:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.172) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 10:29:40 -0000 Received: from user-1732.wfd12.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.38.196] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AR7ml-0008Kz-BY for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:29:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:28:16 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo survival kit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.172 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Kevin mentioned this kit: http://www.nrgkits.com/radiokits/stereo_limiter.htm I sell Stephen's kits and I'll be happy to pass on a 20% discount on to any list members should you wish to try one of these. Stephen's own site is here: Http//www.nrgkits.com He recently suffered a minor stroke and is still recovering. He's one of the few people out there with the knowledge to design something from a blank sheet of paper. Feel free to write him with any questions on his products though he's primarily catering to the FM low power market. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Tue Dec 02 02:31:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31391 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 10:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 10:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.172) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 10:31:41 -0000 Received: from user-1732.wfd12.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.38.196] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AR7oi-0001IC-N9 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:31:40 +0000 Message-ID: <47UTuVC6mGz$Ew49@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:30:18 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Amy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.172 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Any chance of tracking down the name and or any contact details of the Japanese AMS exciter company? I really would like to find out more. I'm on the trail of a Chinese LP AM TX company but my source in the Philippines has gone quiet. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 03:54:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6953 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 11:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 11:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 11:54:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2003 11:54:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:54:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Amy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47UTuVC6mGz$Ew49@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 796 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.43 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Any chance of tracking down the name and or any contact details of the > Japanese AMS exciter company? I really would like to find out more. > I'm on the trail of a Chinese LP AM TX company but my source in the > Philippines has gone quiet. I lost track of where I saw online, unfortunately. :( While I was checking, though, I found a Japanese AM stereo site that includes a few MP3s plus schematics for an "ISB adapter" and a phase- shift network for ISB reception. http://members.lycos.co.uk/amst/ (And yes, despite the .uk suffix, the pages from this top page are in Japanese.) Also included are the regulations of several countries with the C- QUAM broadcast standard mentioned. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Dec 02 07:50:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62320 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 15:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 15:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 15:50:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2003 15:50:26 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98559 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 13:47:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 13:47:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 13:47:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2003 13:47:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:47:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Survival Kit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000301c3b87b$0d0f4aa0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 362 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.183 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 02 Dec 2003 15:50:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > They'd still have the dies, so anyone ordering in OEM quantities > should be able to get them. How do you know that another customer ordering in "OEM" quantities didn't already buy all the dies they had? At some point any extra dies they may have kept in stock have to run out. John From alinton@iol.ie Tue Dec 02 10:56:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11961 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 18:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 18:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO davros) (194.125.44.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 18:56:05 -0000 Received: from Spooler by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO0004E9; 2 Dec 03 18:56:05 -0000 Received: from spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v3.30); 2 Dec 03 18:55:53 -0000 Received: from FR1.totalbroadcast.net (192.168.0.1) by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG0004E8; 2 Dec 03 18:55:51 -0000 X-MSReally-From: alinton@iol.ie Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031202185543.04d5ca10@fr1> X-Sender: alinton@fr1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:55:48 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Athlone 100kW site Mime-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 194.125.44.102 From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I have to agree, that Marconi is one cool transmitter. I wonder what >it would take to adapt it to AM stereo operation? The Marconi appears >to be very similar to those used by the BBC. In fact I suspect that >the console in front of the Brown-Boveri transmitter that is >identified as the one that "controlled RF" is actually the console for >the Marconi transmitter, as the same console design appears in >pictures of the BBC Marconis. I suppose it might have been >"repurposed" to serve the Brown-Boveri transmitter. It's possible that was a console for the Marconi, I assumed not because it was facing the BB. And did those old custom-built Marconis actually have remote consoles? It's completely possible that you're right; Our guide didn't know all the details... rgds ----------------------------------- Andy Linton Waterford, Ireland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 14:18:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26288 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 22:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 22:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 22:18:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20031202221718.4528.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:17:18 PST Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:17:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: re:Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wonderful! Congratulations to KBPS for caring about the quality of their audio and RF! I think that you will find a wealth of information regarding which radios really are "AM Stereo" vs the bogus-marked ones - when in doubt - please just ask us and we will more than happy to help out. AMS radios, converters, etc - all the info you could ever want is available here with our "AM Stereo Brain Trust"! Again, congratulations to KBPS and staff! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Dec 02 14:39:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50066 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 22:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 22:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 22:39:14 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.91]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:43:47 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c3b924$ec5ec1a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20031202221718.4528.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} re:Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:37:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Congrats indeed! My email lately has been much busier than normal with decoder requests- always a good sign. As well, I am building a bunch more transmitters, with 50 more PC boards on the way from the platers. I sent back Dan's radio (a fellow that works at CJBQ in Canada) and now everyone at the station wants one like his. CJBQ plays country, and is proud to be AM Stereo. So, I may not have time to say much these days, but I am keeping the pilot lit! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: {AMSF} re:Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo > Wonderful! > Congratulations to KBPS for caring about the quality of their audio and RF! I > think that you will find a wealth of information regarding which radios really > are "AM Stereo" vs the bogus-marked ones - when in doubt - please just ask us > and we will more than happy to help out. From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Dec 02 16:35:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78722 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 00:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 00:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 00:35:49 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB30Zjvk022276; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:35:45 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB30Zjg02813; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:35:45 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB30Zjx02798; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:35:45 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:35:44 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F472CC@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Cc: "'larry@allclassical.org'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:35:43 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day Larry, Wow congratulations on your AMS install - sounds very classy. You might be interested in linking to the most affordable AMS radio available today - the Sony SRF-AX15. It can be bought online from Audiocubes in Japan for $45 plus $10 shipping direct to your listeners door - it's a bargain! http://www.audiocubes.com/product_info.php?cPath=71_65&products_id=419 There are also other models available, including the SRF-A300 full size portable for $99 and the super small, SRF-AX51V for $69 http://www.audiocubes.com/index.php?cPath=71_65 So there is no reason why your listeners can't get you in glorious AM Stereo! Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: massiffe2000 [mailto:larry@allclassical.org] Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2003 5:48 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Hi everybody. Just joined the group yesterday, and wanted to let you know that we installed AM stereo on KBPS, Portland, OR on Nov. 28. KBPS is a 738 watt non-D station run by the K-12 Portland Public Schools. It is located at Benson Polytechnic High School and operated by the school's radio education program. From stodd@vippn.com Tue Dec 02 17:33:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11478 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 01:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 01:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 01:33:49 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c3b93d$b7d159c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031202185543.04d5ca10@fr1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Athlone 100kW site Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:35:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude While I can't speak to the Marconi design, I do know that most American manufacturers of that era did have engineer's control consoles, so it's quite likely they belong to the Marconi, at least originally. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Linton" > > It's possible that was a console for the Marconi, I assumed not because it > was facing the BB. And did those old custom-built Marconis actually have > remote consoles? From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 17:33:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63800 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 01:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 01:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 01:33:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 01:33:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:33:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New X-Bander in Charlotte, NC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 552 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Infinity just signed on WBHE/1660 in Charlotte, with an All Sports format...It's the X-Band offspring of the late WGIV/1600, a Black Gospel station that Infinity just decided to unceremoniously discard this past Sunday night. The question now is: Is there anyone out there in NC that can tell us if WBHE is indeed broadcasting in Stereo as it should (being an Expanded Band station with Stereo preference?), or has it followed the example of the many Infinity stations that have, of late, decided to turn their backs to AM Stereo? --Tony Simon From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 17:40:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74546 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 01:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 01:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 01:40:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 01:39:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:39:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KBPS AM Stereo - let's have Radio World mention it! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F472CC@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 963 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Hi everybody. Just joined the group yesterday, and wanted to let > you know that we installed AM stereo on KBPS, Portland, OR on > Nov. 28. KBPS is a 738 watt non-D station run by the K-12 Portland > Public Schools. It is located at Benson Polytechnic High School and > operated by the school's radio education program. Brilliant news! And just one suggestion... write to Radio World Magazine and let them know about KBPS's upgrade to AM Stereo. Almost every week, they talk about another station that has installed IBOC equipment, or is even just planning to install IBOC. So, why shouldn't they provide an equal opportunity to announce the stations that have upgraded to, or are already using, AM Stereo? Write them and let us know how it goes. Radio World's contact information is on this web page: http://www.radioworld.com/contact_us.shtml I hope to read about KBPS in their online Daily News soon! Kevin T. Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum From stodd@vippn.com Tue Dec 02 18:50:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89159 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 02:50:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 02:50:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 02:50:23 -0000 Message-ID: <004701c3b948$66dc3fc0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Survival Kit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:42:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Truthfully, I don't know for sure, but I don't think that kind of transaction is very common. Unless this manufacturer wants to get into its own semiconductor manufacturing, it's not too likely. Too bad Alfredo isn't here to comment since he's had some time in the industry and could fill in anything I might miss. From what I remember reading about it, there are various masks and such for making any chip, similar to what would be used for masking a circuit board, though obviously much smaller. As an educated guess I'd say that any blank die that can hold the number of required semiconductors and fit onto a 24 pin chip would work. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "bta_50g" > How do you know that another customer ordering in "OEM" quantities > didn't already buy all the dies they had? At some point any extra > dies they may have kept in stock have to run out. From stodd@vippn.com Tue Dec 02 18:50:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5630 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 02:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 02:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 02:50:25 -0000 Message-ID: <004801c3b948$69402060$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:46:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You guys are hero's in my book too. AM stereo receivers aren't all that common, but since you're with a technical high school, perhaps we could teach some of the students how to do conversions with add-on converter boards. And don't be ashamed of your processing- a 9100 can be every bit as loud as any Omnia, plus it has the advantage that it does true matrix limiting which the Omnia doesn't have. Scott Todd broadcast engineer with Salem- MSP ----- Original Message ----- From: "massiffe2000" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:48 AM Subject: {AMSF} Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo > Hi everybody. Just joined the group yesterday, and wanted to let you > know that we installed AM stereo on KBPS, Portland, OR on Nov. 28. The audio processing consists of a Behringer > Ultradyne 6-band digital processor feeding a stereo Orban Optimod > 9100A. The sound is pretty good. It would be better with an Omnia AM > stereo digital processor, but that is out of financial reach at the > moment. From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Dec 02 19:01:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50990 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 03:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 03:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 03:01:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 03:01:33 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47187 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 02:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 02:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 02:30:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 02:30:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 02:30:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Athlone 100kW site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031202185543.04d5ca10@fr1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1340 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.181 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 03 Dec 2003 03:01:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Andy Linton wrote: > > It's possible that was a console for the Marconi, I assumed not because it > was facing the BB. And did those old custom-built Marconis actually have > remote consoles? > > It's completely possible that you're right; Our guide didn't know all the > details... It's also possible that the old Marconi console was "repurposed" for use with the Brown-Boveri transmitter. Notice that the two consoles in front of the Brown-Boveri transmitter are of completely different styles, with the second one being of typical 1950's style which would fit the Brown-Boveri perfectly. The other console is identical in style and details to the consoles shown with Marconi transmitters in a number of old 1930's BBC yearbooks. The only difference in style between the old consoles in the BBC yearbooks and the one in your photo of the Brown-Boveri transmitter is the addition of two conical towers with red lights on top of the latter console, but these were probably later additions, and if the console was "repurposed" for use with the Brown-Boveri transmitter they may have been added at that time. Do you know, or did you get any impression of how the Brown-Boveri transmitter was modulated, high level plate modulation, or low level modulation? John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 19:15:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99474 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 03:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 03:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 03:15:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 03:15:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 03:15:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004801c3b948$69402060$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1368 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > And don't be ashamed of your processing- a 9100 can be every bit as > loud as any Omnia, plus it has the advantage that it does true > matrix limiting which the Omnia doesn't have. The Optimod 9100 sounds especially great when you "accidentally" disable the NRSC filter and run it at its maximum audio bandwidth of 12.5 kHz. New York's 1600 WWRL did that for a few years, and many of the Japanese AM Stereo stations are using this extended bandwidth, and it makes for some of the best-sounding AM audio you'll hear anywhere. Just be sure to disable the Optimod's "Dynamic L-R Blend", though -- that annoying feature blends single-channel audio towards the center in order to preserve full mono loudness -- but just doesn't sound right in Stereo, because when the other channel kicks in, you hear the audio suddenly pop back to full separation. With this feature disabled, AM Stereo listeners enjoy full separation at all times, and unless you purposely unplug one audio channel and leave it that way, mono listeners will never notice any real difference. But if the Optimod 9100-B2 sells new for over $10,000, I'd hate to see what the price tag of the Omnia 4.5 AM is! (And to think, there are stations with two or three Optimods or Omnias in their equipment rack, serving as multiple backups... oh, how I'd love to have that kind of budget!) From dav259@csiro.au Tue Dec 02 19:20:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 746 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 03:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 03:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 03:20:31 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB33KSiR022639 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:20:30 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:20:28 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} New X-Bander in Charlotte, NC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Tony from Miami wrote: > Infinity just signed on WBHE/1660 in Charlotte, with an All Sports > format... "Radio Titanic" 3AK has announced it's going all sport from 1 January. Seems a stupid move when 3UZ is already Sport 927 but poor 3AK's ratings can hardly fall any further from 0.7%. However so far they are remaining in stereo. If you'd like to read how *not* to run a radio station by one of the nearing 100 staff 3AK has turned over in the last three years check out ... http://www.nex.net.au/users/teecee/features.htm#death Ian Melbourne From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Tue Dec 02 19:59:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58016 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 03:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 03:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 03:58:54 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C23B71055 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1E9AAD3B1 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031202225247.02b7e7a8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:54:06 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: pilot only? Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.49 From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is a pilot only station? Would the Sony SRF-42 that I'll get sometime soon be able to decode that stereo signal? Thanks. John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brian60420@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 20:00:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20767 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 03:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 03:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60602.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.222) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 03:59:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20031203035954.3821.qmail@web60602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.53.216.94] by web60602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:59:54 PST Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:59:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: {AMSF} Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F472CC@aubwm206> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.222 From: brian60420 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You'll definitely want to get AM Stereo receivers into the hands of the kids. It should be as easy as getting a CD player or and MP3 player. Really, the kids will determine the future of your station's success. If they can't hear it (Stereo), you might as well be transmitting in Mono forever. Have you ever heard the difference between a Radio Disney station in Stereo and Mono? There is a "WORLD" of difference. Stock them up, give them away as prizes, you hold the key to the future of AM Stereo in your backyard. Let's see now............GameBoy, MP3 player, Cell phone, AM Stereo. brian "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: >G'day Larry, >Wow congratulations on your AMS install - sounds very classy. >You might be interested in linking to the most affordable AMS radio >available today - the Sony SRF-AX15. It can be bought online from >Audiocubes in Japan for $45 plus $10 shipping direct to your listeners door >- it's a bargain! >http://www.audiocubes.com/product_info.php?cPath=71_65&products_id=419 >There are also other models available, including the SRF-A300 full size >portable for $99 and the super small, SRF-AX51V for $69 >http://www.audiocubes.com/index.php?cPath=71_65 >So there is no reason why your listeners can't get you in glorious AM >Stereo! >Cheers, >Matt >-----Original Message----- >From: massiffe2000 [mailto:larry@allclassical.org] >Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2003 5:48 PM >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo >Hi everybody. Just joined the group yesterday, and wanted to let you >know that we installed AM stereo on KBPS, Portland, OR on Nov. 28. >KBPS is a 738 watt non-D station run by the K-12 Portland Public >Schools. It is located at Benson Polytechnic High School and >operated by the school's radio education program. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 20:28:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40846 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 04:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 04:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 04:28:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20031203042808.85805.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:28:08 PST Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:28:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Radio Titanic ? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.88 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Tony from Miami wrote: > > > Infinity just signed on WBHE/1660 in Charlotte, > with an All Sports > > format... I'm within ground wave, I'll check > "Radio Titanic" 3AK has announced it's going all > sport from 1 January. > Seems a stupid move when 3UZ is already Sport 927 > but poor 3AK's ratings > can hardly fall any further from 0.7%. However so > far they are remaining > in stereo. > > If you'd like to read how *not* to run a radio > station by one of the > nearing 100 staff 3AK has turned over in the last > three years check out So the employees have a sinking feeling? Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From dav259@csiro.au Tue Dec 02 20:49:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11206 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 04:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 04:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 04:49:29 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB34nQiR027045 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:49:28 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:49:26 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} pilot only? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031202225247.02b7e7a8@pop.GameBox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, John Holcomb II wrote: > What is a pilot only station? > Would the Sony SRF-42 that I'll get sometime soon be able to decode > that stereo signal? As far as I understand it John - it's when a station is tranmitting a stereo signal of a mono feed. ie. the AMS exciter is on but the same is coming out of both channels. The SRF-42 won't decode the stereo signal but it will make the totally mono stations sound a little crisper. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 20:50:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56394 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 04:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 04:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 04:50:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 04:50:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:50:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: pilot only? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031202225247.02b7e7a8@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 798 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > What is a pilot only station? Just as it sounds- A station that is only putting out the C-QUAM stereo pilot, but no stereophonic content whatsoever. > Would the Sony SRF-42 that I'll get sometime soon be able to decode that stereo signal? The SRF-42, like its predecessors from Sony, receives all stations in "forced" stereo while in the wide/stereo setting. You wouldn't know the difference between a mono station and a pilot-only C-QUAM stationb. ("Forced" stereo means it will receive any AM carrier, with or without C-QUAM, in stereo mode.) Conversely, there are a few C-QUAM stereo stations that run pilotless, and can ONLY be listened to on radios like the SRF-42 in full stereo. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Dec 02 21:04:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37585 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 05:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 05:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.31) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 05:04:52 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hB35A4ET044647 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:10:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3FCD6EB6.26FD028A@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:03:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo References: <20031203035954.3821.qmail@web60602.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.31 From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am sure you can still get the memorex Boom ball radios.. easy to convert to AM stereo. great project for the kids Neal Newman-CE WTTM 1680 Am Stereo Princeton,New Jersey brian60420 wrote: > You'll definitely want to get AM Stereo receivers into the hands of the kids. It should be as easy as getting a CD player or and MP3 player. > > Really, the kids will determine the future of your station's success. If they can't hear it (Stereo), you might as well be transmitting in Mono forever. Have you ever heard the difference between a Radio Disney station in Stereo and Mono? There is a "WORLD" of difference. > > Stock them up, give them away as prizes, you hold the key to the future of AM Stereo in your backyard. Let's see now............GameBoy, MP3 player, Cell phone, AM Stereo. > > brian > > "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > >G'day Larry, > > >Wow congratulations on your AMS install - sounds very classy. > > >You might be interested in linking to the most affordable AMS radio > >available today - the Sony SRF-AX15. It can be bought online from > >Audiocubes in Japan for $45 plus $10 shipping direct to your listeners door > >- it's a bargain! > > >http://www.audiocubes.com/product_info.php?cPath=71_65&products_id=419 > > >There are also other models available, including the SRF-A300 full size > >portable for $99 and the super small, SRF-AX51V for $69 > > >http://www.audiocubes.com/index.php?cPath=71_65 > > >So there is no reason why your listeners can't get you in glorious AM > >Stereo! > > >Cheers, > >Matt > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: massiffe2000 [mailto:larry@allclassical.org] > >Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2003 5:48 PM > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: {AMSF} Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo > > >Hi everybody. Just joined the group yesterday, and wanted to let you > >know that we installed AM stereo on KBPS, Portland, OR on Nov. 28. > >KBPS is a 738 watt non-D station run by the K-12 Portland Public > >Schools. It is located at Benson Polytechnic High School and > >operated by the school's radio education program. > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Tue Dec 02 21:16:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18442 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 05:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 05:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 05:16:16 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB35GCiR028353 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:16:15 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:16:12 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Titanic ? In-Reply-To: <20031203042808.85805.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > So the employees have a sinking feeling? It's the biggest and saddest joke in Oz radio in recent memory. Four years ago 3AK installed a brand new state of the art Nautel stereo antenna in preparation to move down the dial from 1503 to the better position at 1116. Then came the relaunch of the station - only it kept being put off on a daily basis and ended up 17 days late. Then followed the biggest number of lineup changes in Oz radio history including nine different breakfast lineups in three years. They built new studios in the Motorola Building and bought Easy Music 3MP and as soon as 3MP moved in they switched off the stereo on their higher rating music station (it "cost too much") and left it on at their talk station. The CEO tried to sack his 2IC - but the board wasn't happy so they sacked the CEO instead. The 2IC (who runs Melbourne Reject Shop chain) when in charge sacked the announcers on every shift but one and replaced the lot with younger presenters who mostly were hopeless. The ratings really tumbled. Very little money was spent on promotion - but they did for a while have a series of ads on the sides of Melbourne's famous trams. The trouble was by the time the signs went up the announcers were gone. In the first 18 months their ratings multiplied fourfold - but that wasn't enough - so the deckchairs never stopped moving. Now they rate less than what they did at the start of all this - and we've lost 3MP in stereo. They're now known in the industry as "Radio Titanic" ... or "Radio Reject" in honour of the Reject Shops. A sad tragic tale ... From bratina501@msn.com Tue Dec 02 21:38:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57783 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 05:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 05:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 05:38:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 05:38:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 05:38:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 549 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.56 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "massiffe2000" wrote: > Hi everybody. Just joined the group yesterday, and wanted to let you > know that we installed AM stereo on KBPS, Portland, OR on Nov. 28. > KBPS is a 738 watt non-D station run by the K-12 Portland Public > Schools. It is located at Benson Polytechnic High School and > operated by the school's radio education program. > Great another Portland AM stereo station! I will try to get KBPS on my Sony SRF-42 and Radioshack loop antenna and see how good the stereo is. From bratina501@msn.com Tue Dec 02 21:43:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71483 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 05:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 05:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 05:43:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 05:43:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 05:43:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031203035954.3821.qmail@web60602.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 414 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.56 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, brian60420 wrote: Have you ever heard the difference between a Radio Disney station in Stereo and Mono? There is a "WORLD" of difference. > You bet it's like night and day, at least, that is the way I would describe it. I have listened to Radio Disney in mono (KKDZ 1250 Seattle) and in stereo (KDZR 1640 Portland) and the difference is incredible. From bratina501@msn.com Tue Dec 02 21:49:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61136 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 05:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 05:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 05:49:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 05:49:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 05:49:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KBPS AM Stereo - let's have Radio World mention it! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 823 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.56 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Hi everybody. Just joined the group yesterday, and wanted to let > > you know that we installed AM stereo on KBPS, Portland, OR on > > Nov. 28. KBPS is a 738 watt non-D station run by the K-12 Portland > > Public Schools. It is located at Benson Polytechnic High School and > > operated by the school's radio education program. > > Brilliant news! And just one suggestion... write to Radio World > Magazine and let them know about KBPS's upgrade to AM Stereo. > this web page: > > http://www.radioworld.com/contact_us.shtml > The former KPBC was in Radio World when they switched their call to KDZR and their format to Radio Disney so they would be the second Portland area station to be mentioned if this idea becomes a reality. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 23:52:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18054 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 07:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 07:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 07:52:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 07:52:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 07:52:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031203035954.3821.qmail@web60602.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2358 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, brian60420 wrote: > You'll definitely want to get AM Stereo receivers into the hands of the kids. It should be as easy as getting a CD player or and MP3 player. > > Really, the kids will determine the future of your station's success. If they can't hear it (Stereo), you might as well be transmitting in Mono forever. Have you ever heard the difference between a Radio Disney station in Stereo and Mono? There is a "WORLD" of difference. Here's a recording of KDIS 1110 in Stereo: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/KDIS-Disney-11092003-earlyAM.MP3 (62MB or so - about an hour and 45 minutes or so - 80kbits/sec 24KHz sample rate) > > Stock them up, give them away as prizes, you hold the key to the future of AM Stereo in your backyard. Let's see now............GameBoy, MP3 player, Cell phone, AM Stereo. > > brian > > "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > >G'day Larry, > > >Wow congratulations on your AMS install - sounds very classy. > > >You might be interested in linking to the most affordable AMS radio > >available today - the Sony SRF-AX15. It can be bought online from > >Audiocubes in Japan for $45 plus $10 shipping direct to your listeners door > >- it's a bargain! > > >http://www.audiocubes.com/product_info.php?cPath=71_65&products_id=419 > > >There are also other models available, including the SRF-A300 full size > >portable for $99 and the super small, SRF-AX51V for $69 > > >http://www.audiocubes.com/index.php?cPath=71_65 > > >So there is no reason why your listeners can't get you in glorious AM > >Stereo! > > >Cheers, > >Matt > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: massiffe2000 [mailto:larry@a...] > >Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2003 5:48 PM > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: {AMSF} Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo > > >Hi everybody. Just joined the group yesterday, and wanted to let you > >know that we installed AM stereo on KBPS, Portland, OR on Nov. 28. > >KBPS is a 738 watt non-D station run by the K-12 Portland Public > >Schools. It is located at Benson Polytechnic High School and > >operated by the school's radio education program. > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 23:54:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33853 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 07:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 07:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 07:54:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 07:54:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 07:54:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 912 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, brian60420 > wrote: > Have you ever heard the difference between a Radio Disney station > in Stereo and Mono? There is a "WORLD" of difference. > > > You bet it's like night and day, at least, that is the way I would > describe it. I have listened to Radio Disney in mono (KKDZ 1250 > Seattle) and in stereo (KDZR 1640 Portland) and the difference is > incredible. I posted in another message a link to Disney in stereo from KDIS so I won't link it here again. I might make a recording sometime of my nighttime reception of 1580 from Tempe, AZ (but due to a broken tuning knob and having to stick something in my dismantled SRF-42 to tune it, and prefering to leave it on 1110, I'll use a mono Panasonic Shockwave to record it, but the station IS mono anyway afaik.) From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Dec 03 00:36:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95644 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 08:36:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 08:36:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 08:36:49 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.100]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:41:23 -0500 Message-ID: <005201c3b978$6792e4c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Titanic ? Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:35:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Sad they didn't learn from us that sports radio is overdone (was) and a hoard of the stations that did go sports went back to other programming around the NY area. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:16 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Titanic ? From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 00:47:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34730 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 08:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 08:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 08:47:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 08:47:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:47:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Titanic ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005201c3b978$6792e4c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 460 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Sad they didn't learn from us that sports radio is overdone (was) and a > hoard of the stations that did go sports went back to other programming > around the NY area. I think Ian can back me on this, but I think these stations he was talking about are owned by Southern Cross Broadcasting, and they're partly owned by ClearChannel. Take that for what it's worth. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Wed Dec 03 01:03:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77237 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 09:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 09:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.172) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 09:03:26 -0000 Received: from user-1732.wfd12.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.38.196] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARSus-0000em-13 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:03:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:02:00 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AMS ePay closing today MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.172 From: Philip de Cadenet Reply-To: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man http://tinyurl.com/xi4v -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From amstereo@optushome.com.au Wed Dec 03 03:02:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6067 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 11:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 11:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail010.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 11:01:56 -0000 Received: from A2200 (c210-49-74-241.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.74.241]) by mail010.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB3B1tM16723 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:01:55 +1100 Message-ID: <000f01c3b98c$e6a2e120$2302a8c0@A2200> To: References: <1070444618.1060.65707.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: Radio Titanic Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:02:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 211.29.132.56 From: "amstereo - matt2" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 no, southern cross isn't owned by CC, your refering to ARN (australian radio network) I find southern cross to be one of the better broadcast groups, they own the stations, but don't command them like sheep. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 03:06:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58167 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 11:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 11:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 11:06:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 11:06:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:06:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Titanic Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c3b98c$e6a2e120$2302a8c0@A2200> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 348 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereo - matt2" wrote: > no, southern cross isn't owned by CC, your refering to ARN (australian radio > network) > > I find southern cross to be one of the better broadcast groups, they own the > stations, but don't command them like sheep. Thanks for the correction. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Dec 03 03:28:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3213 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 11:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 11:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.49) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 11:28:07 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C27270CD3 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABE51A0147 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031203063059.02b9bc60@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:35:39 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.49 From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wish I could DX this station, I think it would be way cool to hear a CHR or Rhythmic/CHR station in AM stereo. Since while I listen to a wide verity of music, Top40/CHR is what I listen to most. I have convinced my girlfriend that AM Stereo is very cool, and can sound really good! Thanks to the help of whomever uploaded some top40 stuff from artist such as Mandy Moore, Madonna, U2, etc to the FTP.AMStereoRadio.com server. Still wondering who Inspiration is by. With today's best music! At 05:38 AM 12/3/2003 +0000, you wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "massiffe2000" >wrote: >> Hi everybody. Just joined the group yesterday, and wanted to let >you >> know that we installed AM stereo on KBPS, Portland, OR on Nov. 28. >> KBPS is a 738 watt non-D station run by the K-12 Portland Public >> Schools. It is located at Benson Polytechnic High School and >> operated by the school's radio education program. >> >Great another Portland AM stereo station! I will try to get KBPS on >my Sony SRF-42 and Radioshack loop antenna and see how good the >stereo is. > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 04:32:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41857 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 12:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 12:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41003.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.2) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 12:32:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20031203123213.45926.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.39.89] by web41003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:32:13 PST Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 04:32:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Titanic ? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.2 From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Unfortunately something worse is happening at WPEP. The details are on the 11/24 edition of www.fybush.com. Anyway, we're fighting for the station's life and it looks like either way this jerk won't be running the station for too much longer. There's a chance WPEP ccould end up like the licensed WGLI (because the Part 15 was fine the last time I checked). Off the air so a bigger station can upgrade. However, I'm talking to the F.C.C. and making our point to them. Hopefully with public comments, WPEP won't be going anywhere. If the station is allowed to stay on-air, then it will probably be for sale, and if the right owner gets it, it will be A.M. stereo. I've already played a 3MP tape for him and he was impressed. Thanks for your support, all of you. Jay Rogers, N1WVQ WPEP P.D. 15ºF & sunny @ 7:31! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Dec 03 06:44:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99741 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 14:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 14:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 14:44:27 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.40.3802547a (3972) for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:43:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <40.3802547a.2cff50ad@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:43:57 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.37 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/2/03 10:36:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > The Optimod 9100 sounds especially great when you "accidentally"=20 > disable the NRSC filter and run it at its maximum audio bandwidth of=20 > 12.5 kHz. New York's 1600 WWRL did that for a few years, and many of=20 > the Japanese AM Stereo stations are using this extended bandwidth,=20 > and it makes for some of the best-sounding AM audio you'll hear=20 > anywhere. >=20 I may sound good,but "accidently" disabling the NRSC filter would put your= =20 station out of compliance with FCC rules and regulations......AND if that f= ilter=20 were disabled when your station has its annual bandwidth measurements test= =20 performed,your station more than likely would not pass that test. To the staff of KBPS...hope you'll find using C-Quam a neat experience.My h= at=20 is off to you all for showing young people the ropes of the broadcast=20 industry Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From steveslohb@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 07:54:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: steveslohb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58294 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 15:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 15:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 15:54:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 15:54:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:54:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Where is analog AM stereo going? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000201c3b87a$ffd55dc0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1002 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "steveslohb" X-Originating-IP: 65.120.100.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119851151 X-Yahoo-Profile: steveslohb There was a pirate who used to post on the Free Radio Network who was claiming to have built a C-Quam HF xmtr opperasting on 6950 kHz. "Crunch Radio" was the stations name and he posted detailed info on modifying your SW receiver for C-Quam, using the SRF-42, so you could listen in Stereo. The same technique you would use to mod any AM receiver I beleive. Anyway, he would post often, detailing the problems he encountered but apparently got everything worked out after running several test broadcasts. Unfoutunately, I never got to hear him and he just disappeared. He played a standards format. I did hear his mono broadcasts and they were some of the cleanest AM I ever heard on SW. Steve --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Hmmm... it would be interesting to try CQuAM on the tropical bands using a > straight up bounce from the ionosphere. I've got most of the parts to make > an HF rig, the big snags being time and metalwork. > > Scott > From oscar@globility.com Wed Dec 03 09:40:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77783 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 17:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 17:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 17:40:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 17:39:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:39:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, brian60420 wrote: > > You'll definitely want to get AM Stereo receivers into the hands of > the kids. It should be as easy as getting a CD player or and MP3 player. > > > > Really, the kids will determine the future of your station's > success. If they can't hear it (Stereo), you might as well be > transmitting in Mono forever. Have you ever heard the difference > between a Radio Disney station in Stereo and Mono? There is a "WORLD" > of difference. > >> You'll definitely want to get AM Stereo receivers into the hands of >the kids. It should be as easy as getting a CD player or and MP3 player. > Really, the kids will determine the future of your station's >success. If they can't hear it (Stereo), you might as well be >transmitting in Mono forever. Have you ever heard the difference >between a Radio Disney station in Stereo and Mono? There is a "WORLD" >of difference. Finally, we're getting at the heart of what's really wrong. Most of affluent society has become to rely on realism as a component of what they're watching or listening to. Take away stereo from an entertainment piece and, unless it's content is compelling in itself, they'll tire of it pretty quickly. Over the past 30 years, kids have been brought up on some good music and a lot of noise masquerading as music. But all have been in stereo. Without stereo there is no effect. And, let's face it, "effect" has come to play more a part in enjoyment than content has for longer than I'd like to think. If AM-stereo is to compete, it has to sell its effect by name, much the same as "digital" is trying to. However, I don't think that either can create a stampede to the local discount store if the buying public is not wowed by some sort of truly spectacular comparison with the status quo. Kids can differentiate better than anyone what is going on. They may not be able to articulate it because they don't necessarily know what "it" is. But they sure do know the difference. Play what they like, along with some really good stuff, something they would like if it could only get some airplay; but give it some dynamic range. I guarantee, you'd have a more discerning and interested listener. Unfortunately, that's not happening, is it? And that's why IMO, unless you give kids a really good reason to do otherwise, listening to radio is on its way out of style. M.S. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 10:08:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61930 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 18:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 18:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 18:08:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 18:06:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:06:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Titanic ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031203123213.45926.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 769 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: =snip= > If the station is allowed to stay on-air, then it > will probably be for sale, and if the right owner > gets it, it will be A.M. stereo. I've already > played a 3MP tape for him and he was impressed. If you REALLY want to impress somebody with the potential quality of AM stereo, just play the contents of ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/japan :) Or "lrkahn"'s Yahoo! Briefcase at: http://tinyurl.com/xkbq , or the anonymous Japanese AMS site at http://members.lycos.co.uk/amst/snd/ :) > Thanks for your support, all of you. > > Jay Rogers, N1WVQ > WPEP P.D. I wish you the best of luck keeping your station on the air- These are tough times for all of us. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 10:22:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73124 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 18:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 18:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 18:22:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 18:22:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:22:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40.3802547a.2cff50ad@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1916 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 12/2/03 10:36:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, > kevtronics@y... writes: > > > The Optimod 9100 sounds especially great when you "accidentally" > > disable the NRSC filter and run it at its maximum audio bandwidth of > > 12.5 kHz. New York's 1600 WWRL did that for a few years, and many of > > the Japanese AM Stereo stations are using this extended bandwidth, > > and it makes for some of the best-sounding AM audio you'll hear > > anywhere. > > > > I may sound good,but "accidently" disabling the NRSC filter would put your > station out of compliance with FCC rules and regulations......AND if that filter > were disabled when your station has its annual bandwidth measurements test > performed,your station more than likely would not pass that test. Also, I think Mr. T. here is perpetuating the myth that the NRSC standard is a brick-wall maximum of 10 kHz, when it's not- It's intended to be flat to 10 kHz, then roll off with perscribed attenuatiuon levels at 15 kHz and 30 kHz. (This is why "to the letter", IBOC is compliant, but not in spirit.) The stations in Japan don't follow the curve, yes, but that is not why the Japanese stations sound so good in comparison- I think it's because they're NOT using "balls-to-the-wall" processing, and may actually be using EQ levels. The processing on the Japanese stations do make them sound very different than alot of US stations. Plus I keep wondering what mics they're using! The voices sound FANTASTIC! (I wish I could afford an RCA R77 or replica-- Those are lovely mics!) > To the staff of KBPS...hope you'll find using C-Quam a neat experience.My hat > is off to you all for showing young people the ropes of the broadcast > industry Hear, hear! And I hope we'll be of assistance for AMS radio project ideas for the kids. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Wed Dec 03 10:57:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96945 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 18:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 18:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 18:54:35 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c3b9cf$1f8cdd00$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:27:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The Omnia is actually cheaper. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > But if the Optimod 9100-B2 sells new for over $10,000, I'd hate to > see what the price tag of the Omnia 4.5 AM is! From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Dec 03 12:10:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56038 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 20:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 20:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 20:10:20 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 772442114D9 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3AFEAB1782 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:01:28 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031203151527.02bbacf0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:17:39 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.14 From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes. I'm 21 and Katie the girlfriend 17. I'd give anything to have a CHR station in AM Stereo around here. Anyone know of a list of Radio Disney stations broadcasting in AM Stereo? I thought there was someone that had a list somewhere, or perhaps I heard about that on the ABDX list. At 05:39 PM 12/3/2003 +0000, you wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: >> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, brian60420 >wrote: >> > You'll definitely want to get AM Stereo receivers into the hands >of >> the kids. It should be as easy as getting a CD player or and MP3 >player. >> > >> > Really, the kids will determine the future of your station's >> success. If they can't hear it (Stereo), you might as well be >> transmitting in Mono forever. Have you ever heard the difference >> between a Radio Disney station in Stereo and Mono? There is >a "WORLD" >> of difference. >> >>> You'll definitely want to get AM Stereo receivers into the hands >of >>the kids. It should be as easy as getting a CD player or and MP3 >player. > >> Really, the kids will determine the future of your station's >>success. If they can't hear it (Stereo), you might as well be >>transmitting in Mono forever. Have you ever heard the difference >>between a Radio Disney station in Stereo and Mono? There is >a "WORLD" >>of difference. > >Finally, we're getting at the heart of what's really wrong. Most of >affluent society has become to rely on realism as a component of >what they're watching or listening to. Take away stereo from an >entertainment piece and, unless it's content is compelling in >itself, they'll tire of it pretty quickly. > >Over the past 30 years, kids have been brought up on some good music >and a lot of noise masquerading as music. But all have been in >stereo. Without stereo there is no effect. And, let's face >it, "effect" has come to play more a part in enjoyment than content >has for longer than I'd like to think. If AM-stereo is to compete, >it has to sell its effect by name, much the same as "digital" is >trying to. However, I don't think that either can create a stampede >to the local discount store if the buying public is not wowed by >some sort of truly spectacular comparison with the status quo. > >Kids can differentiate better than anyone what is going on. They may >not be able to articulate it because they don't necessarily know >what "it" is. But they sure do know the difference. Play what they >like, along with some really good stuff, something they would like >if it could only get some airplay; but give it some dynamic range. I >guarantee, you'd have a more discerning and interested listener. >Unfortunately, that's not happening, is it? And that's why IMO, >unless you give kids a really good reason to do otherwise, listening >to radio is on its way out of style. > >M.S. > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 13:35:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90975 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 21:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 21:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41207.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 21:35:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20031203213508.20342.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.30.111] by web41207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:35:08 PST Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:35:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Titanic ? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005201c3b978$6792e4c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.40 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus The thing on 1332 in NZ used to be Radio I in AMS is also sports too and part of a network of course in mono. Michael --- Chris Cuff wrote: > Sad they didn't learn from us that sports radio is > overdone (was) and a > hoard of the stations that did go sports went back > to other programming > around the NY area. > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian Davidson > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:16 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Titanic ? > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From dav259@csiro.au Wed Dec 03 14:00:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2103 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 22:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 22:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 22:00:52 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB3LxwCf014439 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:00:00 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:59:58 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Titanic ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > I think Ian can back me on this, but I think these stations he was > talking about are owned by Southern Cross Broadcasting, and they're > partly owned by ClearChannel. Take that for what it's worth. No - nice try Amy - but wrong on both counts. :) 3AK and 3MP are owned by DCL (a Perth/Singapore outfit). Southern Cross did buy just under 15% (all that they're allowed) of DCL so does influence board decisions. Southern Cross is the third most powerful network - and has loose conections with the National Party (the minor party in the coalition govt). Clear Channel half owns (but totally controls) the Australian Radio Network - which thankfully mostly owns FM stations. The ownership limit in any market is two stations. Ian From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 15:08:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43603 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 23:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 23:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 23:08:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 23:07:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:07:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031203063059.02b9bc60@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1586 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > I wish I could DX this station, I think it would be way cool to hear a CHR or Rhythmic/CHR station in AM stereo. Since while I listen to a wide verity of music, Top40/CHR is what I listen to most. > I have convinced my girlfriend that AM Stereo is very cool, and can sound really good! Thanks to the help of whomever uploaded some top40 stuff from artist such as Mandy Moore, Madonna, U2, etc to the FTP.AMStereoRadio.com server. Was it this link from Radio Disney? ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/KDIS-Disney-11092003-earlyAM.MP3 > Still wondering who Inspiration is by. With today's best music! > > > > > > At 05:38 AM 12/3/2003 +0000, you wrote: > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "massiffe2000" > >wrote: > >> Hi everybody. Just joined the group yesterday, and wanted to let > >you > >> know that we installed AM stereo on KBPS, Portland, OR on Nov. 28. > >> KBPS is a 738 watt non-D station run by the K-12 Portland Public > >> Schools. It is located at Benson Polytechnic High School and > >> operated by the school's radio education program. > >> > >Great another Portland AM stereo station! I will try to get KBPS on > >my Sony SRF-42 and Radioshack loop antenna and see how good the > >stereo is. > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 15:13:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95951 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 23:12:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 23:12:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 23:12:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 23:11:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:11:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031203151527.02bbacf0@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3770 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key where are you located? KDIS 1110 Pasadena / Los Angeles, CA, broadcasts in stereo. I'm sure there's a few others, but I can't get them in San Diego. My best nighttime Disney signal, 1580 KMIK Tempe / Phoenix, AZ (directional 50kW comes in like a local sometimes even on top of co-channel interference from a 50kW station in Santa Monica, CA (I'm in El Cajon, btw)) is in mono, unfortunately. :( --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > Yes. I'm 21 and Katie the girlfriend 17. I'd give anything to have a CHR station in AM Stereo around here. > Anyone know of a list of Radio Disney stations broadcasting in AM Stereo? > I thought there was someone that had a list somewhere, or perhaps I heard about that on the ABDX list. > > > > At 05:39 PM 12/3/2003 +0000, you wrote: > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > > wrote: > >> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, brian60420 > >wrote: > >> > You'll definitely want to get AM Stereo receivers into the hands > >of > >> the kids. It should be as easy as getting a CD player or and MP3 > >player. > >> > > >> > Really, the kids will determine the future of your station's > >> success. If they can't hear it (Stereo), you might as well be > >> transmitting in Mono forever. Have you ever heard the difference > >> between a Radio Disney station in Stereo and Mono? There is > >a "WORLD" > >> of difference. > >> > >>> You'll definitely want to get AM Stereo receivers into the hands > >of > >>the kids. It should be as easy as getting a CD player or and MP3 > >player. > > > >> Really, the kids will determine the future of your station's > >>success. If they can't hear it (Stereo), you might as well be > >>transmitting in Mono forever. Have you ever heard the difference > >>between a Radio Disney station in Stereo and Mono? There is > >a "WORLD" > >>of difference. > > > >Finally, we're getting at the heart of what's really wrong. Most of > >affluent society has become to rely on realism as a component of > >what they're watching or listening to. Take away stereo from an > >entertainment piece and, unless it's content is compelling in > >itself, they'll tire of it pretty quickly. > > > >Over the past 30 years, kids have been brought up on some good music > >and a lot of noise masquerading as music. But all have been in > >stereo. Without stereo there is no effect. And, let's face > >it, "effect" has come to play more a part in enjoyment than content > >has for longer than I'd like to think. If AM-stereo is to compete, > >it has to sell its effect by name, much the same as "digital" is > >trying to. However, I don't think that either can create a stampede > >to the local discount store if the buying public is not wowed by > >some sort of truly spectacular comparison with the status quo. > > > >Kids can differentiate better than anyone what is going on. They may > >not be able to articulate it because they don't necessarily know > >what "it" is. But they sure do know the difference. Play what they > >like, along with some really good stuff, something they would like > >if it could only get some airplay; but give it some dynamic range. I > >guarantee, you'd have a more discerning and interested listener. > >Unfortunately, that's not happening, is it? And that's why IMO, > >unless you give kids a really good reason to do otherwise, listening > >to radio is on its way out of style. > > > >M.S. > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Wed Dec 03 15:42:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40732 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 23:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 23:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 23:42:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 23:42:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:42:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 693 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.56 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > I posted in another message a link to Disney in stereo from KDIS so I > won't link it here again. I might make a recording sometime of my > nighttime reception of 1580 from Tempe, AZ (but due to a broken tuning > knob and having to stick something in my dismantled SRF-42 to tune it, > and prefering to leave it on 1110, I'll use a mono Panasonic Shockwave > to record it, but the station IS mono anyway afaik.) KMIK used to be in stereo for a long period of time after they switched to Radio Disney. will any of the other AM stereo Radio Disney stations switch to mono? Only time will tell. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 16:15:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66387 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 00:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 00:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 00:15:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20031204001549.1294.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.30.111] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:15:49 PST Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:15:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Titanic ? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.41 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus It (AMS) doesnt have "Potential" quality it has "kinetic"otherwords already happening Quality fullstop:-) Michael --- Amy Mousie wrote: > If you REALLY want to impress somebody with the > potential quality of > AM stereo, __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 17:13:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97474 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 01:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 01:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 01:13:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2003 01:13:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 01:13:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stereo Radio Disneys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 357 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > where are you located? KDIS 1110 Pasadena / Los Angeles, CA, > broadcasts in stereo. I'm sure there's a few others I believe the Chicago Radio Disney is in Stereo, as is the Denver one....The Miami one (WMYM/990) was Kahn POWERSide, but is no longer. --Tony S. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 17:30:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45318 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 01:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 01:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 01:30:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2003 01:30:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 01:30:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c3b9cf$1f8cdd00$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 666 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Side note: Someone on the www.radio-info.com "Engineering" board said that Orban will be releasing an Optimod 9300, which, supposedly, is like a 9200 but with Stereo capacity...If this is true, this is good news that a company still finds enough "gusto" for AM Stereo out there in the marketplace to build processing gear for AMS stations. -Tony S. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > The Omnia is actually cheaper. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin T." > > > But if the Optimod 9100-B2 sells new for over $10,000, I'd hate to > > see what the price tag of the Omnia 4.5 AM is! From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Dec 03 17:50:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35834 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 01:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 01:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 01:50:40 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB41mOLa003396 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:48:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3FCE92B3.31C43E09@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:49:39 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hello Tony I posted about the 9300.... I was told about this processor from the guys at the Orban booth at the last NAB conference in Philly. Anthony wrote: > Side note: Someone on the www.radio-info.com "Engineering" board said > that Orban will be releasing an Optimod 9300, which, supposedly, is > like a 9200 but with Stereo capacity...If this is true, this is good > news that a company still finds enough "gusto" for AM Stereo out > there in the marketplace to build processing gear for AMS stations. > > -Tony S. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > The Omnia is actually cheaper. > > > > ST > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kevin T." > > > > > But if the Optimod 9100-B2 sells new for over $10,000, I'd hate > to > > > see what the price tag of the Omnia 4.5 AM is! > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Dec 03 18:03:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24603 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 02:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 02:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO twix.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 02:03:47 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CE6EAB1CEC for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA251A013F for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031203191951.02bb4478@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:11:12 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031203063059.02b9bc60@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.70 From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was it this link from Radio Disney? >ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/KDIS-Disney-11092003-earlyAM.MP3 Nope. It was file name: 4AK - Inspiration (Sony SRF-A1.mp3 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Dec 03 18:07:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42080 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 02:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 02:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO twix.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 02:07:04 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 85B0FAB1CC0 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:58:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67AAE1A0133 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 02:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031203211250.02bb4008@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:14:37 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031203151527.02bbacf0@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.70 From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >where are you located? Bensalem, PA (Just outside of Philadelphia) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 18:15:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64589 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 02:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 02:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 02:15:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2003 02:15:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 02:15:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Stereo Radio Disneys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 581 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > where are you located? KDIS 1110 Pasadena / Los Angeles, CA, > > broadcasts in stereo. I'm sure there's a few others > > I believe the Chicago Radio Disney is in Stereo, as is the Denver > one....The Miami one (WMYM/990) was Kahn POWERSide, but is no longer. > > --Tony S. I used to be able to get the Denver one on 1690 in San Diego, but recently another station closer to me signed on so I can't anymore. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 18:18:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99580 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 02:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 02:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 02:18:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2003 02:18:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 02:18:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1108 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, brian60420 > > wrote: > > Have you ever heard the difference between a Radio Disney station > > in Stereo and Mono? There is a "WORLD" of difference. > > > > > You bet it's like night and day, at least, that is the way I would > > describe it. I have listened to Radio Disney in mono (KKDZ 1250 > > Seattle) and in stereo (KDZR 1640 Portland) and the difference is > > incredible. > > I posted in another message a link to Disney in stereo from KDIS so I > won't link it here again. I might make a recording sometime of my > nighttime reception of 1580 from Tempe, AZ (but due to a broken tuning > knob and having to stick something in my dismantled SRF-42 to tune it, > and prefering to leave it on 1110, I'll use a mono Panasonic Shockwave > to record it, but the station IS mono anyway afaik.) ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/KMIK_Night_ElCajon_RadioDisney.mp3 From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 18:27:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80741 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 02:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 02:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 02:27:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2003 02:27:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 02:27:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: should I see if this can be converted? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 741 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key a few recent audio clips from the radio in question... ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/KCEO_Night_ElCajon.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/KMIK_Night_ElCajon_RadioDisney.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/Music-XEMMM_XEMO_KHJ_KPOP_1400Try2GetNostalgiaTusconAZ_1450ClassicalKFSD_KSPA_1520NewsDX.mp3 selectivity isn't very good - a station on 1130 is still quite audible on 1110 preventing me from getting Radio Disney in the daytime, and at night one on 760 is quite strong on 780. Would swapping the filters for better ones be a possible option? sensitivity is almost acceptable but could be improved a little bit. the radio has digital tuning, and I'd like to find a portable with AMS and digital tuning at a good price. From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Dec 03 19:11:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29737 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 03:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 03:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 03:11:15 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AFFEF2107E2 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 03:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C25AB1B9D for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 03:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031203221735.02bbedf8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:18:46 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Radio Disney in AM Stereo Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.14 From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow. This download amazes me. How does AM Stereo have wider separation then FM Stereo? That blows my mind! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 19:15:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90090 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 03:15:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 03:15:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 03:15:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2003 03:15:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 03:15:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: stereo/mono Radio Disney comparison Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 924 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Here's a comparison of mono and stereo Radio Disney. ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/RadioDisneyMonoStereoComparison.mp3 There are 4 songs on the mp3, each in stereo and mono in this order: D'Tent Boys - Dig It (Stereo) D'Tent Boys - Dig It (Mono) Avril Lavigne - Complicated (Mono) Avril Lavigne - Complicated (Stereo) Cheetah Girls - Cinderella (Stereo) Cheetah Girls - Cinderella (Mono) Atomic Kitten - The Tide Is High (Mono) Atomic Kitten - The Tide Is High (Stereo) I should mention that I recorded them with different setups. The stereo versions were recorded using a Sony SRF-42 from San Gabriel, CA, tuned to 1110 KDIS Pasadena / Los Angeles. The mono versions were recorded at night using a Panasonic RQ-SW20 from El Cajon, CA, tuned to 1580 KMIK Tempe / Phoenix, AZ. The mono one has a very strong signal (50kW), but there is occasional co-channel interference from a 50kW station in Santa Monica, CA. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 19:18:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60397 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 03:18:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 03:18:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 03:18:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2003 03:18:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 03:18:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disney in AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031203221735.02bbedf8@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 600 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > > > Wow. This download amazes me. > How does AM Stereo have wider separation then FM Stereo? > That blows my mind! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] one thing I like about stereo on AM is you can often hear stations in stereo a lot farther than you can on FM. For example, with FM, you might be losing a station 75-100 miles away, whereas with AM in the daytime it can still be stereo to 200-300 miles depending on your radio and the station, and at night can go 750-1000 miles or more. From BKGardner@aol.com Wed Dec 03 19:22:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: BKGardner@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62616 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 03:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 03:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 03:22:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2003 03:22:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 03:22:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Symphony Radio and CAM-D Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 267 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "got2bfunky99" X-Originating-IP: 68.82.3.210 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=147097924 X-Yahoo-Profile: got2bfunky99 Does anyone have any info on new developments with the Motorola Symphony radio chip or Leonard Kahn's CAM-D initiative? I thought Motorola was planning for a Chistmas 2003 rollout of equipment with their chips in it, but I have not seen or heard anything so far. From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Dec 03 20:08:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84670 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 04:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 04:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 04:08:45 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB448iNm031775 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:08:44 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB448ig11460 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:08:44 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB448ix11434 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:08:44 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:08:43 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F472D2@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:08:33 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day John, Glad you like the "4AK" Airchecks (Today's Best Music). I recorded them in early 2002 using my Sharp Minidisc. They are in: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific if anyone's interested. Very nice sound, although it sounds like they are NOT using the NRSC mask (lots of high end!) :) Unfortunately since April/May 2002 they went Mono in their quest for higher positive modulation. I have made a 45 minute CD from the Minidisc (with seamless tracks (no 2 sec delay) between items of interest - if anyone's interested, I would be happy to post them a copy - please email me and let me know your contact details. Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II [mailto:JH_Radio@GameBox.net] Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2003 9:36 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Thanks to the help of whomever uploaded some top40 stuff from artist such as Mandy Moore, Madonna, U2, etc to the FTP.AMStereoRadio.com server. Still wondering who Inspiration is by. With today's best music! From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Dec 03 21:27:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21962 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 05:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 05:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 05:27:08 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.69]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:27:08 -0700 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Symphony Radio and CAM-D Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:27:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm watching two stations closely out here in the west that are supposedly going to possibly be testing Kahn's CAM-D system. 1060 KKDS South Salt Lake, and 880 KRVN Lexington, NB. Checked KKDS yesterday, and KRVN tonight......no sign of anything on either of them yet but I heard it was supposed to be the end of December. Thought I heard some separation last night on my SRF-A1 in Kahn mode on KRVN. But I guess not. Music is mono tonight. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: got2bfunky99 [mailto:BKGardner@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 8:22 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Symphony Radio and CAM-D Does anyone have any info on new developments with the Motorola Symphony radio chip or Leonard Kahn's CAM-D initiative? I thought Motorola was planning for a Chistmas 2003 rollout of equipment with their chips in it, but I have not seen or heard anything so far. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 21:49:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64266 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 05:49:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 05:49:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 05:49:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20031204054934.94791.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:49:34 PST Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:49:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: AMS RD in Chicago= yes To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.151 From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Our engineering friend in Chicago that maintains stereo 890 WLS is also the man that keeps stereo AM pumping out on AM 1300 in Chicagoland (one of 2 Radio Disneys in the area). __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Dec 04 00:07:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49158 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 08:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 08:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 08:07:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2003 08:07:46 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37797 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 05:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 05:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 05:32:44 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.15b.290dc345 (4459) for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 00:32:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <15b.290dc345.2d0020ea@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 00:32:26 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Radio Disneys To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.97 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 04 Dec 2003 08:07:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 Besides Chicago and Los Angeles, the Radio Disney station in the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex, KMKI 620 (licensed to Plano) is also Stereo, as well as sister station WBAP 820 (licensed to Fort Worth). The Chicago Radio Disney outlet is WRDZ 1300, licensed to LaGrange, IL. The original calls were WTAQ, for "Towns Along the Q", as in the old Chicago, Burlington and Quincy railroad (now part of Burlington Northern-Santa Fe, or BNSF). If only Disney/ABC would convert WSDZ 1260 (licensed to Belleville, IL) to Stereo or acquire a St. Louis FM. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alinton@iol.ie Thu Dec 04 00:19:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 437 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 08:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 08:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO davros) (194.125.34.173) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 08:19:27 -0000 Received: from Spooler by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO00005C; 4 Dec 03 08:19:26 -0000 Received: from spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v3.30); 4 Dec 03 08:18:57 -0000 Received: from FR1.totalbroadcast.net (192.168.0.1) by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG00005B; 4 Dec 03 08:18:56 -0000 X-MSReally-From: alinton@iol.ie Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20031204081744.047e42f0@fr1> X-Sender: alinton@fr1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 08:18:53 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Athlone 100kW site In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031202185543.04d5ca10@fr1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 194.125.34.173 From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >Do you know, or did you get any impression of how the Brown-Boveri >transmitter was modulated, high level plate modulation, or low level >modulation? > >John > Well again information was sketchy, but the absence of a huge mod transformer leads us to believe that it was the usual (for the era) low-level mod with linear amp stages after that. Rgds ----------------------------------- Andy Linton Waterford, Ireland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Dec 04 00:50:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90585 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 08:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 08:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 08:50:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2003 08:50:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 08:50:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Symphony Radio and CAM-D Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 464 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.204 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "got2bfunky99" wrote: > Does anyone have any info on new developments with the Motorola > Symphony radio chip or Leonard Kahn's CAM-D initiative? I thought > Motorola was planning for a Chistmas 2003 rollout of equipment with > their chips in it, but I have not seen or heard anything so far. By reading their site, the chips are readily available and may be ordered, last I checked. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Thu Dec 04 02:54:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84695 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 10:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 10:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.210) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 10:54:09 -0000 Received: from user-3607.wfd20.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.126.23] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARr7Y-0008Gm-OZ for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:54:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:52:45 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Brown Boveri TX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.210 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Andy and the crew, I could not quite find the BB MW rig but here's their low power SW transmitter: http://www.transmitter.be/bbc-sk55.html -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Dec 04 11:09:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44521 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 19:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 19:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 19:09:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20031204190918.75946.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.25.199] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 11:09:18 PST Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:09:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo/mono Radio Disney comparison To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.38 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus I really enjoy your posts and the comparisons and files you make. Keep up the good work. Michael --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > Here's a comparison of mono and stereo Radio Disney. ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 04 15:26:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86884 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 23:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 23:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 23:26:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2003 23:26:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 23:26:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1030 WBZ - now With BuZzing IBOC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2161 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I was tuning around this afternoon a full hour before sunset, and as expected for December, all the regular skywave signals had already begun to come in clearly. And while scanning through the middle of the band, I noticed a strange hissing noise on 1020 kHz. At first I thought it might be sideband splatter from 1010 WINS, as the "teletype" sound they play underneath the news announcer's voice can often cause that effect. However, one channel away, I noticed that 1030 WBZ was sounding much duller and quieter than normal -- and it's true, unfortunately -- Boston's 1030 WBZ has begun transmitting IBOC. And even though they only have it on during daytime hours (with the current Boston sunset time being a laughable 4:15 PM!), these early winter skywaves were still causing it to wreak havoc upon my local groundwave signals of 1010 WINS (background hiss), 1020 WKZE (completely clobbered by the "hash"), 1040 WCHR (background "hash"), and 1050 WEVD (background hiss). I also noticed that after sunset, WBZ is leaving their analog audio at the constrained 5 kHz bandwidth, with the same noticeably reduced loudness and clarity as during the daytime with IBOC active. I can only imagine the mutual destruction if Infinity's 1010 WINS, 1020 KDKA, and 1030 WBZ all began transmitting IBOC, and kept it on the air past sunset until 6:00 PM, as the interim FCC ruling currently allows. Throw in Infinity's 1060 KYW as well, and you'd have a fine mess right in the middle of the band! Anyway, if you're a WBZ listener -- either locally or via skywave -- you may get in touch with them via this web page: http://wbz1030.com/feedback/ As I mentioned before, WBZ now definitely sounds "quieter" on the air, which is something that listeners will notice regardless of the bandwidth of their radio. In fact, I've noticed this decrease in loudness on all the stations I've heard using IBOC, except 710 WOR. However, I hear WOR's signal spreading noise all the way across a +/- 40 kHz bandwidth, while all the other IBOC signals seemed to have stayed within their alloted +/- 15 kHz bandwidth. Coincidence? I don't think so... From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Dec 04 16:54:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98131 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 00:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 00:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.9) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 00:54:04 -0000 Received: from logs-wc.proxy.aol.com (logs-wc.proxy.aol.com [205.188.193.5]) by rly-ip05.mx.aol.com (v95.1) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-43fcfd0a91c5; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:26:17 1900 Received: from ibm (AC8A92D2.ipt.aol.com [172.138.146.210]) by logs-wc.proxy.aol.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB50NrZO494095 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 00:23:56 GMT Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 00:23:56 GMT Message-ID: <001601c3bac0$d57afc40$d2928aac@aoldsl.net> To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Titanic ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Apparently-From: DodgeRamTrucker@aol.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.193.5 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.138.9 From: "Possum Hunter" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote on 12/3/03 13:08: >If you REALLY want to impress somebody with the potential quality of AM st= ereo, just play the contents of ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/japan :) Or any of the C-QUAM airchecks of WWRL 1600! Kevin Remember: Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get y= ou. From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Dec 04 16:54:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16920 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 00:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 00:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.9) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 00:54:05 -0000 Received: from logs-wc.proxy.aol.com (logs-wc.proxy.aol.com [205.188.193.5]) by rly-ip05.mx.aol.com (v95.1) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-43fcfd0a81c0; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:26:16 1900 Received: from ibm (AC8A92D2.ipt.aol.com [172.138.146.210]) by logs-wc.proxy.aol.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB50NoZM492701 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 00:23:51 GMT Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 00:23:50 GMT Message-ID: <000001c3bac0$d2d3f820$d2928aac@aoldsl.net> To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Disney in AM Stereo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Apparently-From: DodgeRamTrucker@aol.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.193.5 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.138.9 From: "Possum Hunter" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John Holcomb II wrote on 12/3/03 22:11: >Wow. This download amazes me. How does AM Stereo have wider separation then FM Stereo?=20 FM Stereo technology is inherently inferior to C-QUAM or Kahn ISB. When the= FCC set the standard for FM Stereo, they did the same thing they did with = AM Stereo. They went with the company with the most bucks, and not the best= system. With FM Multiplex, the weaker the signal is, the more noise and distortion= you get in the L-R signal. This is why FM radios blend to Mono as the sign= al gets weaker.=20 With AM Stereo, the noise level is the same as Mono, even at low signal lev= els, so there is no need to blend to Mono, but lightning crashes sound weir= d in Stereo. Under Selective fading conditions, mostly at night and critica= l hours, C-QUAM can have problems with "platform motion" where the sound fa= des Left to Right, making many people hit the Mono button. Kahn ISB or CAM-= D does not have this platform motion. This is why Kahn advertises his AM St= ereo system "isn't afraid of the dark". Kevin Remember: Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get y= ou. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 04 16:56:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45199 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 00:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 00:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41008.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.7) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 00:56:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20031205005648.28522.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.41.119] by web41008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:56:48 PST Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:56:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Titanic ? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.7 From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio The man I played 3MP for will do stereo if he gets the station. His 2nd-in-command told me so today without my asking. I've also tried to find some other stations for him if he wants. I hope that this application for 50kW in Mass. is without a lifeboat. 73, Jay, N1WVQ WPEP P.D. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From stodd@vippn.com Thu Dec 04 17:35:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41293 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 01:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 01:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 01:35:52 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-174-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.174]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C72B14E0E2 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:35:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005301c3bad0$5a5cc920$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031202185543.04d5ca10@fr1> <6.0.1.1.2.20031204081744.047e42f0@fr1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Athlone 100kW site Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:36:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Maybe a doherty? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Linton" > >Do you know, or did you get any impression of how the Brown-Boveri > >transmitter was modulated, high level plate modulation, or low level > >modulation? > > > Well again information was sketchy, but the absence of a huge mod > transformer leads us to believe that it was the usual (for the era) > low-level mod with linear amp stages after that. From stodd@vippn.com Thu Dec 04 17:40:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1257 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 01:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 01:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 01:40:14 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-174-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.174]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A6B7814E0F5 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:40:09 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006a01c3bad0$f703ef60$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: Fw: RBR's Morning E-Paper Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:41:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From Thursday morning's RBR- does this station have AMS? Doubtless with the sale to Buckley it won't: Buckley Broadcasting has closed its $1.2M purchase of WDCW-AM in the Syracuse, NY market (9/18 RBR Daily Epaper #183), adding a second AM to its Syracuse operation, which also includes an FM. "Mr. Crawford usually doesn't sell anything," noted broker John Pierce of John Pierce & Co., who represented the seller, Crawford Broadcasting. However, he said that Don Crawford decided to sell WDCW because there were so many other Religious stations in the market. For Buckley, which was represented by Bill Schutz of Schutz & Co., the purchase is a signal upgrade in the senior band. WDCW is 5kw both day and night, while Buckley's News/Talk WFBL-AM has minimal nighttime power. One interesting note: The sale includes the WDCW studio building, which is a renovated firehouse from the era when fire wagons were pulled by horses. There's no word on what Buckley plans to do with the historic building. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Thu Dec 04 17:43:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58215 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 01:43:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 01:43:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 01:43:29 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-174-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.174]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C70A214E0ED for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:43:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007001c3bad1$6b87d0e0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:45:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I suspect the answer is yes, unless they go with the new 9300. Heard from the engineer handling 1640 in Milwaukee and he told me they were trying to standardize on the mono 9200. The stereo went away on WKSH as they didn't want to repair their 9100, so they installed a 9200 as it has remote control capabilities. I don't think they're out to do a mass conversion, but as the ones in use start to have problems it will be replacement rather than repair. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "bratina501" > KMIK used to be in stereo for a long period of time after they > switched to Radio Disney. will any of the other AM stereo Radio > Disney stations switch to mono? Only time will tell. From stodd@vippn.com Thu Dec 04 17:46:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69281 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 01:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 01:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 01:46:09 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-174-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.174]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5241614E0CB for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:44:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007601c3bad1$92b87840$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <3FCE92B3.31C43E09@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Now on KBPS Portland, OR - AM Stereo Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:46:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Did you ask if it was a matrix processor? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > I posted about the 9300.... I was told about this processor from the guys > at the Orban booth at the last NAB conference in Philly. > > Anthony wrote: > > > Side note: Someone on the www.radio-info.com "Engineering" board said > > that Orban will be releasing an Optimod 9300, which, supposedly, is > > like a 9200 but with Stereo capacity From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Thu Dec 04 17:51:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15891 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 01:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 01:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO twix.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 01:51:34 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DBA4BAB68D3 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 01:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C241800AF for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 01:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031204205659.00ae3038@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:58:39 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Idea for extra colem on the station listing that are broadcasting in AM Stereo Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.70 From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why not include if the station in question is using the 10KHZ roal-off, or if they are broadcasting higher, like up to 20 KHZ or so? John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Dec 04 17:55:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3124 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 01:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 01:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 01:55:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2003 01:55:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:55:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: what's wrong with my radio? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 130 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/KDIS-Day-PanasonicRQSW20.mp3 http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/Panasonic_RQSW10_KDIS_Day.jpg From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Dec 04 17:58:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9710 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 01:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 01:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 01:58:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2003 01:58:35 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12799 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 00:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 00:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 00:47:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2003 00:47:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 00:47:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1030 WBZ - now With BuZzing IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 941 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.237 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Dec 2003 01:58:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > As I mentioned before, WBZ now definitely sounds "quieter" on the > air, which is something that listeners will notice regardless of the > bandwidth of their radio. In fact, I've noticed this decrease in > loudness on all the stations I've heard using IBOC, except 710 WOR. What do you think causes this "quieter" sound? Are you saying that the modulation levels for the analog part of the signal must be reduced to allow room for the digital information? > However, I hear WOR's signal spreading noise all the way across a > +/- 40 kHz bandwidth, while all the other IBOC signals seemed to have > stayed within their alloted +/- 15 kHz bandwidth. Coincidence? I > don't think so... Why don't you think so? This does sound like a coincidence, what would the bandwidth of the IBOC carriers have to do with analog modulation percentage? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Dec 04 17:58:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94462 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 01:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 01:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 01:58:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2003 01:58:43 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1684 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 01:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 01:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 01:15:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2003 01:15:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:15:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Athlone 100kW site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20031204081744.047e42f0@fr1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 941 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.160 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Dec 2003 01:58:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Andy Linton wrote: > > >Do you know, or did you get any impression of how the Brown-Boveri > >transmitter was modulated, high level plate modulation, or low level > >modulation? > > > >John > > Well again information was sketchy, but the absence of a huge mod > transformer leads us to believe that it was the usual (for the era) > low-level mod with linear amp stages after that. The 1950's, and the decades preceding and following were the era of high level plate modulation here in the US. I think the only US built transmitters still using low level modulation were the Continental's, and the RCA Ampliphase that was introduced in the mid/late 1950's. Are you saying conventional linear amplifiers were still the order of the day for new European transmitters in the 1950's? Or did Brown Boveri use a Doherty linear amplifier like the Continental's of the time? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Dec 04 17:58:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23290 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 01:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 01:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 01:58:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2003 01:58:50 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35780 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 01:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 01:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 01:17:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2003 01:17:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:17:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Brown Boveri TX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 435 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.160 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Dec 2003 01:58:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet < philstheboss@t...> wrote: > Andy and the crew, > > I could not quite find the BB MW rig but here's their low power SW > transmitter: > > http://www.transmitter.be/bbc-sk55.html Boy I'll say! With computer aided design, high power transistor PSM modulator, and fiber optics, it hardly seems very relevant to a 1950's TX design like the Brown-Boveri TX at Athlone. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 04 18:26:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75032 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 02:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 02:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 02:26:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2003 02:26:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 02:26:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1030 WBZ - now With BuZzing IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2981 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What do you think causes this "quieter" sound? Are you saying that > the modulation levels for the analog part of the signal must be > reduced to allow room for the digital information? I'd say that's a logical explanation, because out of the three sets of digital IBOC sidebands, only the tertiary sidebands (underneath the analog audio below +/- 5 kHz) are quadrature-modulated. The primary and secondary IBOC sidebands are transmitted as plain AM, and you have to reserve some slice of the +125% / -100% modulation pie for them. > Why don't you think so? This does sound like a coincidence, what > would the bandwidth of the IBOC carriers have to do with analog > modulation percentage? WOR's digital IBOC sidebands aren't exceeding the alloted +/- 15 kHz, but the total spectrum occpancy of the station is, or at least seems to be, on ALL the receivers I've ever tuned them in on, even on an extremely selective car radio. What I am getting from WOR is a type of splatter very reminiscent of what you get when you try to modulate a conventional AM signal past 100% negative modulation -- a scratchy kind of static spreading out from the station's frequency, whose occurence is correlated to the audio the station is (over)modulating. WOR's engineers blame it on "front end overload" in my receiver. But the thing is, the instant WOR shuts off their IBOC sidebands, it stops completely. Not even a trace of splatter then! And furthermore, I've driven right past the towers of a 5000-watt AM station, so I *do* know what front-end overload sounds like on various car radios -- and it doesn't sound like this. What I'm getting from WOR sounds a lot more like what happens when I disable the negative peak clipper on my AM Stereo generator and purposely overmodulate its signal. Another possible issue is WOR's directional antenna array. Directional arrays can do some very strange things to an AM signal, both in the nulls and in the "flamethrower" part(s) of the pattern. And just as experience with AM Stereo has proven, a directional array might act fine with mono AM, but can reveal problems when you try to put a wide-bandwidth quadrature-modulated signal through it -- and while an analog signal has a flow of peaks and valleys, the IBOC sidebands are nailing it continuously. You can even hear the hissing and ringing in the coils of the phasor unit! Years ago, the proponents of the first-generation version of IBOC said it wouldn't work *at all* through a directional AM array. Now, even after reading through hundreds of pages of documentation from iBiquity and the NRSC, I have seen *no* documentation of any testing done to determine IBOC's compatibility with directional arrays. So, they're basically flying by the seat of their pants, and since our name badges don't say "Chief Engineer" at the call letters of a major-market station, I guess we don't have any say in whether things are working properly or not. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 02:50:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3853 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 10:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 10:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 10:50:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2003 10:50:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:50:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Translation of ISB adapter & PSN pages now up. Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 244 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.204 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I have made a simple Babelfish-assisted translation of the Japanese ISB adapter and phase-shift network pages as a single page, and I hope someone finds them useful. http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/isb-jp.htm Enjoy. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 04:06:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64375 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 12:06:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 12:06:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 12:06:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2003 12:06:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:06:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Translation of ISB adapter & PSN pages now up. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 310 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.204 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/isb-jp.htm It just occured to me that with minor modification (the PSN may not be necessary), this could act as a poor man's C-QUAM "decoder" using the two-radio method. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Dec 05 07:16:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1729 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 15:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 15:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 15:13:55 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:13:55 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c3bb42$667560b0$5401010a@AM> To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031204205659.00ae3038@pop.GameBox.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Idea for extra colem on the station listing that are broadcasting in AM Stereo Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:13:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good idea John, although I don't think ANY station would want that listed since it's illegal. Even I myself have been know (ahem) to bypass the filtering just for fun and good sound :) Well I used to when we were mono. On the Inovonics processor, you could just turn off the filter. Now that we're stereo, the CRL processor doesn't have a switch to "turn off" the nrsc filter. Basically because the processor was built before there were any nrsc restrictions and they modified with the filter by CRL in 1990 or whenever it was that the restrictions went in effect. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: John Holcomb II To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: {AMSF} Idea for extra colem on the station listing that are broadcasting in AM Stereo Why not include if the station in question is using the 10KHZ roal-off, or if they are broadcasting higher, like up to 20 KHZ or so? John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 08:29:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53248 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 16:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 16:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 16:29:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2003 16:28:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:28:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Idea for extra colem on the station listing that are broadcasting in AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c3bb42$667560b0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1520 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Now that we're stereo, the CRL processor doesn't have a switch to > "turn off" the nrsc filter. Basically because the processor was > built before there were any nrsc restrictions and they modified with > the filter by CRL in 1990 or whenever it was that the restrictions > went in effect. You must be using the original SMP-900 AM Stereo Matrix Processor. The newer SMP-900A, SMP-900B, and SMP-950 models all offer a choice of two bandwidths: "9.5 kHz", which meets the NRSC specs and has a sharp roll-off ending at just above 10 kHz, and "11 kHz", which is actually flat to at least 11.5 kHz, with a very gradual roll-off up to 13 kHz. I call that wider mode the "CRL curve", and there are a number of stations which are using it, either knowingly or not. For example, 1210 WPHT's main processor is an Optimod 9100, but they have a CRL setup as their backup processing, and as I have heard myself, it is set to the wider mode. Also, when 1340 CJLS up in Nova Scotia was on the air, they had the same exact situation -- their main processing was an Optimod, and the backup was a CRL setup in the wider mode, which I happened to catch on the air the few days that I was in Yarmouth a while back. You can find some recordings of CJLS transmitting in AM Stereo with the wider "CRL curve" in this directory: http://tinyurl.com/xvp9 They were recorded from a Sony SRF-A100 without any de-emphasis, so you'll probably have to turn your Treble control down in order to achieve a more balanced sound. From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Dec 05 08:38:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90399 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 16:38:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 16:38:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 16:38:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2003 16:37:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:37:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Translation of ISB adapter & PSN pages now up. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 449 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 64.236.235.240 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Thanks. This information is most useful. It may just help with an project I've been toying with. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > I have made a simple Babelfish-assisted translation of the Japanese > ISB adapter and phase-shift network pages as a single page, and I > hope someone finds them useful. > > http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/isb-jp.htm > > Enjoy. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Dec 05 08:44:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1210 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 16:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 16:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 16:44:47 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:44:47 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01c3bb4f$177a7e20$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Idea for extra colem on the station listing that are broadcasting in AM Stereo Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:44:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's the one we've got. It's got the 9khz/11khz switch on the back. And it is set to 11khz. Like I said, though...it's either 9 or 11....you can't disable the filter altogether. MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Idea for extra colem on the station listing that are broadcasting in AM Stereo > Now that we're stereo, the CRL processor doesn't have a switch to > "turn off" the nrsc filter. Basically because the processor was > built before there were any nrsc restrictions and they modified with > the filter by CRL in 1990 or whenever it was that the restrictions > went in effect. You must be using the original SMP-900 AM Stereo Matrix Processor. The newer SMP-900A, SMP-900B, and SMP-950 models all offer a choice of two bandwidths: "9.5 kHz", which meets the NRSC specs and has a sharp roll-off ending at just above 10 kHz, and "11 kHz", which is actually flat to at least 11.5 kHz, with a very gradual roll-off up to 13 kHz. I call that wider mode the "CRL curve", and there are a number of stations which are using it, either knowingly or not. For example, 1210 WPHT's main processor is an Optimod 9100, but they have a CRL setup as their backup processing, and as I have heard myself, it is set to the wider mode. Also, when 1340 CJLS up in Nova Scotia was on the air, they had the same exact situation -- their main processing was an Optimod, and the backup was a CRL setup in the wider mode, which I happened to catch on the air the few days that I was in Yarmouth a while back. You can find some recordings of CJLS transmitting in AM Stereo with the wider "CRL curve" in this directory: http://tinyurl.com/xvp9 They were recorded from a Sony SRF-A100 without any de-emphasis, so you'll probably have to turn your Treble control down in order to achieve a more balanced sound. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 09:08:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95161 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 17:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 17:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 17:08:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2003 17:08:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:08:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CRL bandwidth Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c3bb4f$177a7e20$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 377 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That's the one we've got. It's got the 9khz/11khz switch on the > back. And it is set to 11khz. Like I said, though...it's either > 9 or 11....you can't disable the filter altogether. You can switch it into "Proof" mode, which disables all bandwidth filtering, but that also disables all the other processing functions as well, so you'd sound very "quiet" on the air. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 10:07:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38586 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 18:07:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 18:07:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 18:07:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2003 18:06:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:06:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Translation of ISB adapter & PSN pages now up. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 301 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.204 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > Thanks. This information is most useful. It may just help with an > project I've been toying with. Jerry, let us know how it works out, OK? Always fascinated to hear how others fare with AM stereo projects. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 14:45:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75377 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 22:45:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 22:45:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 22:45:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20031205224514.33593.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:45:14 PST Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:45:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1030 WBZ - now With BuZzing IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.85 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > > > As I mentioned before, WBZ now definitely sounds > "quieter" on the > > air, which is something that listeners will notice > regardless of the > > bandwidth of their radio. In fact, I've noticed > this decrease in > > loudness on all the stations I've heard using > IBOC, except 710 WOR. > > What do you think causes this "quieter" sound? Are > you saying that > the modulation levels for the analog part of the > signal must be > reduced to allow room for the digital information? Yes, when they tried to modulate like WOR, the exciter crashed and locked up. Ibiquity told them to reduce the analog modulation. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 16:53:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23534 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 00:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 00:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 00:53:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2003 00:53:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 00:53:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1030 WBZ - now With BuZzing IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031205224514.33593.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 954 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Yes, when they tried to modulate like WOR, the exciter > crashed and locked up. Ibiquity told them to reduce > the analog modulation. And WBZ is "quieter" at night, too. Comparing them to neighboring 1010 WINS, 1020 KDKA, and 1040 WCHR tonight, there is no question that WBZ's on-air loudness is lower than before. To be fair, WBZ's audio is a very clean and distortion-free 5 kHz, unlike WOR's, but right now, _all_ of WBZ's listeners are suffering from their conversion to IBOC during the day and 5 kHz analog at night -- not just those who used to receive WBZ's hi-fi AM Stereo signal. And speaking of modulation, is there even such a thing as an IBOC modulation monitor? I don't think so -- stations just have to rely on their analog mod-monitor and assume that the meter indications will remain accurate. And as you can imagine, this can cause lots of trouble if the analog mod-monitor is underreading the true modulation level. From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Dec 05 17:00:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62270 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 01:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 01:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 01:00:52 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-43-224.rev.o1.com [66.81.43.224]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hB610jW24358; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:00:45 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c3bb94$00485480$e02b5142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: Realistic TM 152 Am Stereo Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:57:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 HI Dose any one know how to make the TM 152 less stadicy. Today when i turned on my computer i had to swich to my Sony SRF A300 because the stadic was very loud. The same with other tv's runing in other rooms. Ben that way sence day one. Thanks Jim S From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 17:20:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6656 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 01:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 01:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 01:20:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2003 01:20:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:20:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM 152 Am Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c3bb94$00485480$e02b5142@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 607 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.204 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" wrote: > HI Dose any one know how to make the TM 152 less stadicy. Today when i > turned on my computer i had to swich to my Sony SRF A300 because the stadic > was very loud. The same with other tv's runing in other rooms. Ben that way > sence day one. Thanks Jim S How close is your 152 to the TVs and computer? Are you using an external antenna, or just relying on the internal ferrite-core antenna? (A non-connecting Select-A-Tenna does not count as an "external" antenna, in this case.) Is your 152 grounded? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 17:32:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61173 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 01:31:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 01:31:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 01:31:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2003 01:31:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:31:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1030 WBZ - now With BuZzing IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 385 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Curious as to how WBZ's main signal at 1030khz. is sounding, aside from the loudness issue...Any noticeable 'noises'/'buzzes' on the carrier? One thing that's present (or was, since WQAM is not running IBOC now) on the 3 IBOC stations running IBOC here in South Fla. is that they all have a rather quiet but nevertheless there 'buzzing' noise on the main frequency.... --tony s. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 17:48:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90548 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 01:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 01:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 01:48:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2003 01:48:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:48:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1030 WBZ - now With BuZzing IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.204 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > Curious as to how WBZ's main signal at 1030khz. is sounding, aside > from the loudness issue...Any noticeable 'noises'/'buzzes' on the > carrier? One thing that's present (or was, since WQAM is not running > IBOC now) on the 3 IBOC stations running IBOC here in South Fla. is > that they all have a rather quiet but nevertheless there 'buzzing' > noise on the main frequency.... The reason for this is that there's a slow data signal, similar to RDS and pager signals, being transmitted in the "Q" (or quadrature) carrier of the main signal. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 22:03:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3761 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 06:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 06:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 06:03:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20031206060356.83805.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:03:56 PST Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 22:03:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Whimpy WBZ To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The best word I have to describe the "new WBZ" is whimpy. It doesn't have that 50KW clear channel booming quality anymore. Not only does it sound like the high end is chopped, it sounds like an appreciable amount of the low end is lopped-off, and modulation is less. The apparent lower modulation isn't all that bad, but the loss of the low and high-end is sad. The opinions expressed are not those of the AM Stereo Yahoo Group, Leonard Kahn, or Westinghouse, but those of an average AM radio DX'er. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Dec 05 22:41:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15038 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 06:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 06:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 06:41:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2003 06:41:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 06:41:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM 152 Am Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1140 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.39.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" > wrote: > > HI Dose any one know how to make the TM 152 less stadicy. Today > when i > > turned on my computer i had to swich to my Sony SRF A300 because > the stadic > > was very loud. The same with other tv's runing in other rooms. Ben > that way > > sence day one. Thanks Jim S > > How close is your 152 to the TVs and computer? > > Are you using an external antenna, or just relying on the internal > ferrite-core antenna? (A non-connecting Select-A-Tenna does not count > as an "external" antenna, in this case.) > > Is your 152 grounded? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Hi Amy Mouse My Tm 152 dose not like tv's with in at least 40 feet or so. When i take the antenna off its a bit better but the reseption gose out. Yes it is grounded. The RS loop anntena dose not work very good for reseption. Before i updated it with one of Jeff Decks decoders i would tune down the dial it would get platform motion with out it being tuned in to a one am stereo station. Thanks Jim S From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Dec 06 00:59:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39988 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 08:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 08:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 08:59:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2003 08:59:40 -0000 Date: 6 Dec 2003 08:59:39 -0000 Message-ID: <1070701179.92774.94877.w44@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /wbz-wins.mp3 Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : A brief recording of the Infinity traffic report sounder, as heard on 1030 WBZ and 1010 WINS. The receiver bandwidth and recording level are the same for both clips, so this makes the reduced bandwidth of WBZ's audio noticeable, even though this was received on an MCS 3050, which is not a hi-fi "wide-band" tuner. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/wbz-wins.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Dec 06 02:01:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67115 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 10:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 10:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 10:01:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2003 10:01:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:01:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am stereo as commercial <--corrected subject spelling Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <54.1d7fa949.2cf99953@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3416 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.53.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 11/27/03 1:24:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > jimsmith@v... writes: >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" =20 wrote: > > >Do you have the money to buy the airtime for the commercial (or=20 do=20 > > >you know of ways to secure the funding)? > > > > > >--ts > > > > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" =20 > > >wrote: > > >>Hi Any way i have more time to be long winded now. What i=20 would=20 > > >like to > > >>talk about in the commercal not the tech side of it. Remember=20 > > most=20 > > >people Say Bob Sence you are such a downer about am stereo and promting=20 it on a mono station why are you even trasmitting it than.In the=20 comercal i was going to mentoin the right resorces.=20 www.amstereoraio.com Chis Cuff Jeff Deck www.audiocubes.com=20 Buy !!!! > > >>are not sound radio enganeers. What is important is to talk=20 > > about=20 > > >this > > >>site and some of the pepole here and that there radio can be=20 > > >coverted from > > >>mono to am stereo and to call there local station to hear it.=20 > > >Thanks Jim=20 > > Yes I have the money for the time. And like i said erlyer i don't=20 > > want to do it my self pepole wont take my voise seareusely. What=20 i=20 > > out lined erlyer i like it dune like that. Jim S > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > Why and what exactly are we advertising? Is this an ad that will=20 run on a=20 > local station or some nation wide network? > If your intent is to make folks aware of am stereo...good=20 luck!...because the=20 > station will get swamped [maybe] with calls with questions.."where=20 can I buy=20 > the AM Stereo receivers,I cant find them and nobody locally sells=20 them...the=20 > sales person at the local radio store thought I was crazy and on=20 drugs",When I=20 > asked for AM Stereo receivers,the sales person thought it was a=20 radio that=20 > only worked during the morning hours","I have an old stereo=20 receiver,but why isnt=20 > this station that I'm hearing this commerical on,in=20 stereo?"...etc,etc,etc.=20 > Without the resources [receivers--manufactured or converted] in=20 large numbers,=20 > you'll only end up pissing people off.Manufactures just are not=20 going to go=20 > back into producing AM Stereo receivers in great masses. > BTW...does vfr.net offer a spell checker with their email service? >=20 > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > --------------------------------- > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with=20 engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@e...,MidAtlanticEngin@a... > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > --------------------------- >=20 > ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 > Radio------------------------------------------ > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefie= ld Va > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp > Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) > _______________________________________________________ >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Dec 06 02:49:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57734 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 10:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 10:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 10:49:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2003 10:49:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:49:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} here here amy!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c3b87b$2d251900$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1163 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.53.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I think you've missed Amy's point- it can't be up to the receiver > manufacturers to put these things out. So you generate a demand with the > commercials. What happens if the manufacturers don't respond or respond in > time? You've done nothing for the cause. If some easily constructed > circuits can be made public domain and THEN we come out with the commercial, > we might be able to succeed. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Davidson" > > > We've all got to think what we personally can do for the good of the > > cause. Who knows? If a commercial can generate some demand for receivers Hi Scott If i may www.amstereoradio.com Cris Cuff Jeff Deck your self? www.audiocubes.com . You see thay still are not imposable to get am stereo suff. And i was going to mention as much as i can. Jim S > > in just one market (particularly in CA) God only knows what might happen? > > >From little acorns big oak trees grow. And we all know how inexpensive > it > > would be for any big manufacturer to include AMS in its radios. From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Dec 06 02:49:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35272 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 10:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 10:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 10:49:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2003 10:49:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:49:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} here here amy!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c3b87b$2d251900$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 945 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.53.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I think you've missed Amy's point- it can't be up to the receiver > manufacturers to put these things out. So you generate a demand with the > commercials. What happens if the manufacturers don't respond or respond in > time? You've done nothing for the cause. If some easily constructed > circuits can be made public domain and THEN we come out with the commercial, > we might be able to succeed. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Davidson" > > > We've all got to think what we personally can do for the good of the > > cause. Who knows? If a commercial can generate some demand for receivers > > in just one market (particularly in CA) God only knows what might happen? > > >From little acorns big oak trees grow. And we all know how inexpensive > it > > would be for any big manufacturer to include AMS in its radios. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 04:01:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59462 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 12:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 12:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 12:01:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2003 12:01:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 12:01:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am stereo as commercial <--corrected subject spelling Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1069 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > Say Bob Sence you are such a downer about am stereo and promting > it on a mono station why are you even trasmitting it than.In the > comercal i was going to mentoin the right resorces. > www.amstereoraio.com Chis Cuff Jeff Deck www.audiocubes.com > Buy !!!! I think I was first to point this out (or not- I'm a very sleepy mousie, right now- lotsa stereophonic brain static while half asleep), but the whole POINT of advertizing AM stereo on an AM mono station gets LOST, especially when the station isn't interested in going stereo to begin with. Advertizing on an FM station might be better- if there was an AM stereo station to advertize (and it not being a rival station owner). And I would NEVER accuse Bob Carter of being a downer on AM stereo-- He just INSTALLED a brand-new AM stereo transmitter at the station he's chief engineer of. That takes conviction in these IBOC days. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 15:15:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95434 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 23:15:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 23:15:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 23:15:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2003 23:15:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 23:15:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo in Los Angeles Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 212 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 What are all the AM stations in the Los Angeles area that are currently broadcasting in AM Stereo (including those that are pilot only) Which ones are full Stereo and which ones are pilot only? -Tony S./Miami From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Dec 06 15:41:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38782 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 23:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 23:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 23:41:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2003 23:41:22 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24471 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 16:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 16:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 16:24:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2003 16:24:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:24:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Translation of ISB adapter & PSN pages now up. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 679 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.212 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 06 Dec 2003 23:41:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > > > http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/isb-jp.htm > > It just occured to me that with minor modification (the PSN may not > be necessary), this could act as a poor man's C-QUAM "decoder" using > the two-radio method. :) I'm not sure it I am following your thought here correctly, is what you are suggesting, to use this same circuit to convert an ISB radio to receive C-QUAM, and as the ISB radio to use two ordinary monophonic radios, one tuned to each side of the carrier? The PSN would be necessary. John From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Dec 06 15:41:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42706 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 23:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 23:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 23:41:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2003 23:41:38 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98244 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 22:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 22:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 22:32:56 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.12.39acefc4 (3996) for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 17:32:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12.39acefc4.2d03b312@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 17:32:50 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Whimpy WBZ To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.163 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 06 Dec 2003 23:41:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 I'll have to check it out...they'll probably get whiplashed by Mexico City, Corpus Christi or one of the Tennessee stations. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 15:49:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36123 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 23:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2003 23:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 23:49:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2003 23:49:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 23:49:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 740 WJIB now in AM Stereo 24 hours a day Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1786 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Tiny Nostalgia/Beautiful Music station 740 WJIB in Cambridge, MA, in the Boston area, is perhaps the lowest-power licensed AM Stereo radio station, at 250 watts daytime and 5 watts nighttime, both non- directional. And as this message they posted to another message board indicates, their 5-watt nighttime signal is now in Stereo, and they have absolutely no intention of switching to IBOC! Subject: WJIB-740 STEREO 24/7 and Xmtrs Posted by: JIBGUY Posted on: 12/06/03 02:28 AM WJIB has been, for the last 6 months, been AM-stereo 24/7. The original Nautel transmitter which came with the station when I bought it in 1991 (it's been 12 years?!?) did not do well going all the way down to the equivalent of 10,000 simultaneous butterfly-sneezes (5,000 milliwatts). Up until half a year ago, WJIB switched to a different mono transmitter (made by LPB) every night at sunset since 1992. I bought a back-up Nautel (day) transmitter last year, and found out that this newer edition of the same model DOES go down to 5 watts very well and since that new one is now my most-used transmitter, WJIB is stereo 24/7. I have 4 transmitters; two high powered (if you can call 250,000 milliwatts powerful), and two LPB's- low powered. WJIB's night signal presently is benefitting from recent sun-storm activity which has been limiting CHWO's reach into this area. Add to that the 11-year cycle is now favorable to local stations with slightly less interference from distant stations. Come the other end of the 11 year cycle, WJIB and other nighttime flea-powered stations won't do as well. Add that turkey called IBOC, and WJIB's nighttime signal will likely go about 1,000 feet. WJIB will be the last station to go IBOC; or amongst the 11,000 last stations to go IBOC. From stodd@vippn.com Sat Dec 06 17:29:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48955 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 01:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 01:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 01:29:08 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-237-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.237]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5757B14E0B7 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:29:05 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007e01c3bc61$c211c560$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} here here amy!!!! Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:47:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Can be gotten and easily obtainable are two different things. If someone wants an old tube for a radio they inherited from grandma, they can still be gotten with persistence, but forget trying to go to any electronics store to find it. Same with AMS. They'd have to be a bit more available to make it worth advertising. Now if you wanted to start importing them for sale to the general public in your area and advertise them on an AMS station, that's another matter. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimsmith95663" > Hi Scott If i may www.amstereoradio.com Cris Cuff Jeff Deck your > self? www.audiocubes.com . You see thay still are not imposable to > get am stereo suff. And i was going to mention as much as i can. Jim > S From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 17:32:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84452 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 01:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 01:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 01:32:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 01:32:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:32:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 482 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > What are all the AM stations in the Los Angeles area that are > currently broadcasting in AM Stereo (including those that are pilot > only) Which ones are full Stereo and which ones are pilot only? 740 KBRT Avalon 790 KABC LA 870 KRLA LA 1070 KNX (pilot only, preparing for IBOC, used to be stereo) 1659 KFOX Torrance(?) Look for my thread from early November, "Greetings from Anaheim". Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 17:38:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13889 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 01:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 01:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 01:38:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 01:38:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:38:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Translation of ISB adapter & PSN pages now up. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 994 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > > wrote: > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/isb-jp.htm > > > > It just occured to me that with minor modification (the PSN may not > > be necessary), this could act as a poor man's C-QUAM "decoder" using > > the two-radio method. :) > > I'm not sure it I am following your thought here correctly, is what > you are suggesting, to use this same circuit to convert an ISB radio > to receive C-QUAM, and as the ISB radio to use two ordinary monophonic > radios, one tuned to each side of the carrier? Correct. Matrixing is seen as being 90deg. from the source of each stage, and C-QUAM & ISB are 180deg. off from each other. > The PSN would be necessary. For receiving, yes. I wasn't sure about a PSN for use in transmitting. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 17:38:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13221 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 01:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 01:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 01:38:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 01:38:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:38:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 221 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > 740 KBRT Avalon > 790 KABC LA > 870 KRLA LA > 1070 KNX (pilot only, preparing for IBOC, used to be stereo) > 1659 KFOX Torrance(?) I don't see 1110 KDIS...Please tell me that was a mistake on your part... --tony s. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 17:44:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41961 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 01:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 01:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 01:44:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 01:44:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:44:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 430 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > 740 KBRT Avalon > > 790 KABC LA > > 870 KRLA LA > > 1070 KNX (pilot only, preparing for IBOC, used to be stereo) > > 1659 KFOX Torrance(?) > > > I don't see 1110 KDIS...Please tell me that was a mistake on your > part... It was, and it's still there. I thought I was forgetting one between KNX and KFOX, but just couldn't place it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 18:42:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11200 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 02:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 02:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 02:42:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 02:41:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 02:41:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 271 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 740 KBRT Avalon > 790 KABC LA > 870 KRLA LA > 1070 KNX (pilot only, preparing for IBOC, used to be stereo) Don't forget Radio Disney on 1110 KDIS (Pasadena, CA). > 1659 KFOX Torrance(?) KFOX is on 1650 kHz, of course, and they are indeed licensed to Torrance, CA. From w6yn@juno.com Sat Dec 06 19:11:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70220 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 03:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 03:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 03:11:46 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCYHlfryfG0HionvUQvrKIG4=">; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 19:10:55 PST Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JGRZQFNZ; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 19:10:55 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:03:44 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles Message-ID: <20031206.191008.780.1.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-21 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Now this is strange: All of those stations are Talk or News (Don't know about KFOX) Don On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:32:04 -0000 "Amy Mousie" writes: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" > wrote: > > What are all the AM stations in the Los Angeles area that are > > currently broadcasting in AM Stereo (including those that are > pilot > > only) Which ones are full Stereo and which ones are pilot only? > > 740 KBRT Avalon > 790 KABC LA > 870 KRLA LA > 1070 KNX (pilot only, preparing for IBOC, used to be stereo) > 1659 KFOX Torrance(?) > > Look for my thread from early November, "Greetings from Anaheim". > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 19:21:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63095 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 03:21:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 03:21:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 03:21:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 03:21:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 03:21:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031206.191008.780.1.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 192 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Now this is strange: All of those stations are Talk or News (Don't know > about KFOX) Korean. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 20:11:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90527 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 04:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 04:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 04:11:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 04:11:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 04:11:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 129 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 What about KSUR/1260?? Weren't they sending out a pilot without separation? I take it they stopped sending the pilot out? --ts From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 20:21:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64645 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 04:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 04:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 04:21:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 04:21:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 04:21:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 350 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > What about KSUR/1260?? Weren't they sending out a pilot without > separation? I take it they stopped sending the pilot out? When I was down there, I don't recall getting ANY pilot between KDIS and KFOX. Even XESURF (ex-XEJAZZ, ex-CEBACH), (540) was mono. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 20:28:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83217 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 04:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 04:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 04:28:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 04:28:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 04:28:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 492 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > What about KSUR/1260?? Weren't they sending out a pilot without > > separation? I take it they stopped sending the pilot out? > > When I was down there, I don't recall getting ANY pilot between KDIS > and KFOX. > > Even XESURF (ex-XEJAZZ, ex-CEBACH), (540) was mono. "XEBACH"- you know what I mean. :P Damn typos. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 04:30:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8800 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 12:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 12:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 12:30:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20031207123037.47091.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 04:30:37 PST Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 04:30:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Whimpy WBZ To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031206060356.83805.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > The best word I have to describe the "new WBZ" is > whimpy. It doesn't have that > 50KW clear channel booming quality anymore. Not > only does it sound like the > high end is chopped, it sounds like an appreciable > amount of the low end is > lopped-off, and modulation is less. The apparent > lower modulation isn't all > that bad, but the loss of the low and high-end is > sad. I agree totally. > The opinions expressed are not those of the AM > Stereo Yahoo Group, Leonard > Kahn, or Westinghouse, but those of an average AM > radio DX'er. My opinion is that of neither of the above, but as a radio station LIVE air shift operator, FIRST class licensed holder ( now a lowly General class) AM radio listener, and music on AM promoter. Powell W4OPW and right now ... WKDK! ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 04:36:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17774 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 12:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 12:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 12:36:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20031207123636.97459.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 04:36:36 PST Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 04:36:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ / WINS audiofile To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1070701179.92774.94877.w44@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The WINS one sounds far better and has spectacular bass response, and a better highs. LOL! I noticed a nice selective fade on WINS. How far are you from their transmitter site, Kevin? WBZ sounds very apparently less loud than KDKA down here in South Carolina. I guess they[KDKA] are next to be ruined now that Mr. Ibiquity is the main engineering director for Infinity. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From oscar@globility.com Sun Dec 07 06:34:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90022 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 14:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 14:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 14:34:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 14:34:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 14:34:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am stereo as commercial <--corrected subject spelling Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1553 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.179 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > I think I was first to point this out (or not- I'm a very sleepy > mousie, right now- lotsa stereophonic brain static while half > asleep), but the whole POINT of advertizing AM stereo on an AM mono > station gets LOST, especially when the station isn't interested in > going stereo to begin with. Advertizing on an FM station might be > better- if there was an AM stereo station to advertize (and it not > being a rival station owner). > I don't see any use in advertising a product that can't be fulfilled. However, if the AM station doing the ad was in stereo, and there was a comparatively inexpensive, portable receiver available they could personalize and make available directly, that could create some movement. Perhaps sale of the receiver could have even more momentum if it was attached to some kind of community fund raising effort their audience would relate to easily. That way it's a four-way (station/user/charity/AM-stereo) winner. Either way, you have to provide a means of demonstrating AM-stereo. Right now, the only place you have where a lot of people can listen, without having to buy a receiver is "on-line". Isn't that what HD- radio, DRM and E-147 are doing? Perhaps you could get at the stations who already transmit AM in stereo and encourage them to make reference to it on their websites. Also, if they're streaming, that they are making reference to what source of stereo modulation they're using. Just a thought, MS From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 09:09:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64177 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 17:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 17:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 17:09:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 17:09:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:09:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WBZ: Separating the Men from the Boys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031207123636.97459.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 240 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 You know what I'd REALLY like to hear?? Does anyone have an audio clip of something from WBZ in AM Stereo, from their AM Stereo days, and then the same exact sounder/clip as it sounds now with their new impaired analog sound? -Tony S. From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Dec 07 11:23:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39505 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 19:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 19:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 19:23:34 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.d1.b45163 (3850) for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 14:23:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 14:23:29 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: am stereo as commercial <--corrected subject spelling To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.103 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/6/03 5:02:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, jimsmith@vfr.n= et=20 writes: > Say Bob Since you are such a downer about am stereo and promoting=20 > it on a mono station why are you even transmitting it then.In the=20 > commercial I was going to menton the right resources.=20 > www.amstereoradio.com Chris Cuff Jeff Deck www.audiocubes.com=20 > Buy !!!! >=20 If I was such a "downer about AM Stereo"...first of all I wouldnt be on thi= s=20 list,or have a list of my own...second of all I wouldnt be broadcasting in= =20 C-Quam stereo right now,but probably would be testing IBOC right now! [ hears loud gaspin= g=20 sounds from forum readers...hehehe ] I'm saying is that you've got a tough road to travel to think that people a= re=20 going to start buying these things by the droves. How long have you been in the radio biz? AM radio has a stigma stuck to it that wont be going away anytime soon. Let me give you a good example of what people think about AM radio in=20 general...and how most broadcast companies in general think about AM radio.= ..and=20 radio in general. In a market just north of me there was a long time and very popular AM/FM=20 radio station called WCMS. Ever since its inception on AM 1050 in the 50's = the=20 station was country formated.In the 60's an FM outlet was added and the AM/= FM=20 were a simulcast up until 4 - 5 years ago. Barnstable --aka Hampton Roads R= adio=20 Group,came in,bought the station,stopped the simulcast...killed the country= =20 format on AM ,changed the calls to WFOG and put on a satellite feed of Musi= c of=20 Your Life, and kept fiddling with the format on FM.Everything from hot coun= try=20 to classic country up until last weekend...in an ever attempt to make the=20 other country station in the Barnstable group across town number one in rat= ings.=20 {Barnstable owned hot country, WGH -FM "Eagle 97" long before they bought=20 WCMS...which has always enjoyed high ratings].Well last weekend some "brill= iant"=20 soul claimed that "according to market research" the area needs another har= d=20 rock station. Sssssoooo what do they do???,Barnstable..aka Hampton Roads Ra= dio=20 Group takes a hertiage ..one of the nations oldest country stations and the= =20 areas top 5 highest rated stations and switches the format to hard rock!Wel= l the=20 AM frequency returns to classic country along with its orginal calls of WCM= S http://www.wcms.com/ ...but satellite fed from Jone Radio Network. Long= time=20 morning host Joe Hoppel,which was inducted into the country music DJ hall o= f=20 fame http://www.crb.org/awa= rds/djhf.html was moved to AM...most people have=20 complained about the poor sound of the station,static and weak signal..some= can=20 not even pickup the signal.Well Joe would have celebrated 50 years with WCM= S in=20 a few years,but that wont be happening because he has jumped ship and gone = to=20 a new competitor..formerly 93-7 The Coast..which is now 93-7 Kick FM WKCK <= A HREF=3D"http://www.kick937.com"> http://www.kick937.com [owned by Sinclair Communications]...running swe= epers that=20 take pot shots and direct slams at Eagle 97 ...[ sweepers generally say=20 something like..."we're not chicken,we're out to pluck the whole bird! 93-7= Kick-FM=20 ]=20 Almost all of the former staff of the old WCMS-FM will be going to Kick-FM= =20 [after the format switch,all of the staff members were fired for the except= ion=20 of Joe Hoppel..he was just stuck over on AM] Anyhow,the major complaint..ot= her=20 than the format switching was the poor sound of WCMS -AM 1050. [ read comme= nts=20 posted by people --even a few from me-- all over my area about the changes= =20 and about the sound quality of AM and general comments about AM radio in=20 general...all 796 post..and growing http://home.hamptonroads.com/guestbook/guestbook.cfm?id=3D69 ] So I w= hipped up an email to WCMS-AM explaining my observations=20 of the station and what needs to be done to improve it....EVEN offered to b= e=20 of assistance if their chief engineer needed help with getting the processi= ng=20 adjusted properly. Well in a return email I was greeted with a rude explana= tion=20 of how "busy" their "wonderful" engineer was and that the new MAXX-FM WXMM= =20 [formerly WCMS-FM] was top priority and that the AM would just have to wait= .Here=20 we are a good week later and stuff still sounds like crapola. In other words...they dont care about quality sound or programming on AM..a= nd=20 this is the case all across this nation with a good number of major broadca= st=20 companies. The people on this board and myself that are in broadcasting know what need= s=20 to be done,but we are only but a few voices working at only a few stations.= If=20 you compare that to all of the people and stations in this nation....our fe= w=20 voices and actions are only a needle in a hay stack. In order for AM to be something worth getting attention again,stations are= =20 going to have to improve audio quality and programming,then the public need= s to=20 be informed..ie..ok this is what AM has to offer now and it sounds good. Al= l=20 of that would have to be done in short order time with a huge promotion=20 campaign. Looking at reality,thats not going to happen anytime in this=20 century....sadly enough. =20 Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Sun Dec 07 14:39:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5939 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 22:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 22:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 22:39:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 22:39:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 22:39:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am stereo as commercial <--corrected subject spelling Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1999 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.44.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > > I think I was first to point this out (or not- I'm a very sleepy > > mousie, right now- lotsa stereophonic brain static while half > > asleep), but the whole POINT of advertizing AM stereo on an AM > mono > > station gets LOST, especially when the station isn't interested in > > going stereo to begin with. Advertizing on an FM station might be > > better- if there was an AM stereo station to advertize (and it not > > being a rival station owner). > > > > > I don't see any use in advertising a product that can't be fulfilled. > > However, if the AM station doing the ad was in stereo, and there was > a comparatively inexpensive, portable receiver available they could > personalize and make available directly, that could create some > movement. Perhaps sale of the receiver could have even more momentum > if it was attached to some kind of community fund raising effort > their audience would relate to easily. That way it's a four-way > (station/user/charity/AM-stereo) winner. > > Either way, you have to provide a means of demonstrating AM-stereo. > Right now, the only place you have where a lot of people can listen, > without having to buy a receiver is "on-line". Isn't that what HD- > radio, DRM and E-147 are doing? > > Perhaps you could get at the stations who already transmit AM in > stereo and encourage them to make reference to it on their websites. > Also, if they're streaming, that they are making reference to what > source of stereo modulation they're using. > > Just a thought, > > MS Hi I was thinking if you run the ad on a local station and say to call your local station for The am stereo sound and do not promoto the station make it ganeric. But promoto www.amstereoradio.com Chris Cuff Jeff Deck www.audiocubes.com . I was going to promoto the right resorces. Jim S From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sun Dec 07 15:02:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89148 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 23:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 23:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO twix.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 23:02:15 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EBE65AD172D for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E22AD176B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031207180152.02f43b90@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:09:59 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: am stereo as commercial <-corrected subject spelling In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.70 From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, I tried to well rewrite your message, so that it makes sense to me. I'm not sure if I'm understanding what you're saying. If I am understanding what you are saying, you would rather promote the AMStereoRadio website, instead of promoting the stations broadcasting in stereo? You could promote the AMStereoRadio website by perhaps putting something mentioning it in you're signature line. I'm a bit confused as to witch part of the AM Stereo aspect you want to promote. At 10:39 PM 12/7/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hi I was thinking if you run the ad on a local station. >Call your local station for The am stereo sound. Do not promote >the station, make it generic. Promote >www.amstereoradio.com, >Chris Cuff, Jeff Deck and, >www.audiocubes.com. >I was going to promote >the right resorces. >Jim S > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Sun Dec 07 15:36:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75423 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 23:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 23:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 23:36:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 23:36:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 23:36:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am stereo as commercial <--corrected subject spelling Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 7837 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.44.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 12/6/03 5:02:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 jimsmith@v...=20 > writes: >=20 > > Say Bob Since you are such a downer about am stereo and=20 promoting=20 > > it on a mono station why are you even transmitting it then.In the=20 > > commercial I was going to menton the right resources.=20 > > www.amstereoradio.com Chris Cuff Jeff Deck www.audiocubes.com=20 > > Buy !!!! > >=20 >=20 > If I was such a "downer about AM Stereo"...first of all I wouldnt=20 be on this=20 > list,or have a list of my own...second of all I wouldnt be=20 broadcasting in=20 > C-Quam stereo > right now,but probably would be testing IBOC right now! [ hears=20 loud gasping=20 > sounds from forum readers...hehehe ] > I'm saying is that you've got a tough road to travel to think that=20 people are=20 > going to start buying these things by the droves. >=20 > How long have you been in the radio biz? >=20 > AM radio has a stigma stuck to it that wont be going away anytime=20 soon. > Let me give you a good example of what people think about AM radio=20 in=20 > general...and how most broadcast companies in general think about=20 AM radio...and=20 > radio in general. > In a market just north of me there was a long time and very popular=20 AM/FM=20 > radio station called WCMS. Ever since its inception on AM 1050 in=20 the 50's the=20 > station was country formated.In the 60's an FM outlet was added and=20 the AM/FM=20 > were a simulcast up until 4 - 5 years ago. Barnstable --aka Hampton=20 Roads Radio=20 > Group,came in,bought the station,stopped the simulcast...killed the=20 country=20 > format on AM ,changed the calls to WFOG and put on a satellite feed=20 of Music of=20 > Your Life, and kept fiddling with the format on FM.Everything from=20 hot country=20 > to classic country up until last weekend...in an ever attempt to=20 make the=20 > other country station in the Barnstable group across town number=20 one in ratings.=20 > {Barnstable owned hot country, WGH -FM "Eagle 97" long before they=20 bought=20 > WCMS...which has always enjoyed high ratings].Well last weekend=20 some "brilliant"=20 > soul claimed that "according to market research" the area needs=20 another hard=20 > rock station. Sssssoooo what do they do???,Barnstable..aka Hampton=20 Roads Radio=20 > Group takes a hertiage ..one of the nations oldest country stations=20 and the=20 > areas top 5 highest rated stations and switches the format to hard=20 rock!Well the=20 > AM frequency returns to classic country along with its orginal=20 calls of WCMS > http://www.wcms.com/ ...but satellite fed from Jone Radio=20 Network. Long time=20 > morning host Joe Hoppel,which was inducted into the country music=20 DJ hall of=20 > fame http://www.crb.org/awards/d jhf.html was moved to AM...most people have=20 > complained about the poor sound of the station,static and weak=20 signal..some can=20 > not even pickup the signal.Well Joe would have celebrated 50 years=20 with WCMS in=20 > a few years,but that wont be happening because he has jumped ship=20 and gone to=20 > a new competitor..formerly 93-7 The Coast..which is now 93-7 Kick=20 FM WKCK > http://www.kick937.com [owned by Sinclair=20 Communications]...running sweepers that=20 > take pot shots and direct slams at Eagle 97 ...[ sweepers generally=20 say=20 > something like..."we're not chicken,we're out to pluck the whole=20 bird! 93-7 Kick-FM=20 > ]=20 > Almost all of the former staff of the old WCMS-FM will be going to=20 Kick-FM=20 > [after the format switch,all of the staff members were fired for=20 the exception=20 > of Joe Hoppel..he was just stuck over on AM] Anyhow,the major=20 complaint..other=20 > than the format switching was the poor sound of WCMS -AM 1050. [=20 read comments=20 > posted by people --even a few from me-- all over my area about the=20 changes=20 > and about the sound quality of AM and general comments about AM=20 radio in=20 > general...all 796 post..and growing > http://home.hamptonroads.com/guestbook/guestbook.cfm?id=3D69 ]=20=20 So I whipped up an email to WCMS-AM explaining my observations=20 > of the station and what needs to be done to improve it....EVEN=20 offered to be=20 > of assistance if their chief engineer needed help with getting the=20 processing=20 > adjusted properly. Well in a return email I was greeted with a rude=20 explanation=20 > of how "busy" their "wonderful" engineer was and that the new MAXX- FM WXMM=20 > [formerly WCMS-FM] was top priority and that the AM would just have=20 to wait.Here=20 > we are a good week later and stuff still sounds like crapola. > In other words...they dont care about quality sound or programming=20 on AM..and=20 > this is the case all across this nation with a good number of major=20 broadcast=20 > companies. > The people on this board and myself that are in broadcasting know=20 what needs=20 > to be done,but we are only but a few voices working at only a few=20 stations. If=20 > you compare that to all of the people and stations in this=20 nation....our few=20 > voices and actions are only a needle in a hay stack. > In order for AM to be something worth getting attention=20 again,stations are=20 > going to have to improve audio quality and programming,then the=20 public needs to=20 > be informed..ie..ok this is what AM has to offer now and it sounds=20 good. All=20 > of that would have to be done in short order time with a huge=20 promotion=20 > campaign. Looking at reality,thats not going to happen anytime in=20 this=20 > century....sadly enough. >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > --------------------------------- > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with=20 engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@e...,MidAtlanticEngin@a... > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > --------------------------- >=20 > ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 > Radio------------------------------------------ > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefie= ld Va > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp > Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) > _______________________________________________________ >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hi Bob Sorry for soundind a little rued you sounded a little down.=20 I am glad to see you are transmitting Am Stereo . No i am not on the=20 trasmitting side of radio. Yes am is geting the SH!@#Y end of the=20 stick and thats sad bcause if it was not for am there would be no=20 radio audio as we know it. That story sounded kind of like KRAK=20 Radio . KRAK am 1140 was there on that freq for many many years=20 with a good classic county format. Than about 1995 thay bummped KZAP=20 FM98.5 rock off the air and took over with a crapy new country=20 format. Soon after thay moved agan to 1470 and had all the old DJ's=20 back and had classic county format back agan wich was very cool to=20 me. And then about 2 1/2 years ago ABC came alog and said we are=20 buying this station. KRAK staff asked can we stay and broadcast are=20 were format and ABC said no. So damned neer 50 years on the air KRAK=20 AM 1140 is gone. AND gess whats there now kiddy format Radio Disney.=20 Agan sorry for chuing you out we do'nt need that hear we need more=20 working on how to permoto am stereo hear. AND KFRC 610 am kind of=20 went throuh the same thing. Thay are back but ther is no Dr DON ROSE=20 and the format is a oldies now . Well Thanks JIM S From jimsmith@vfr.net Sun Dec 07 15:41:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88551 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 23:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 23:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 23:41:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 23:41:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 23:41:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: am stereo as commercial <-corrected subject spelling Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031207180152.02f43b90@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1068 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.44.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > Jim, > I tried to well rewrite your message, so that it makes sense to me. I'm not sure if I'm understanding what you're saying. > > If I am understanding what you are saying, you would rather promote the AMStereoRadio website, instead of promoting the stations broadcasting in stereo? > You could promote the AMStereoRadio website by perhaps putting something mentioning it in you're signature line. > I'm a bit confused as to witch part of the AM Stereo aspect you want to promote. > > > At 10:39 PM 12/7/2003 +0000, you wrote: > > >Hi I was thinking if you run the ad on a local station. > >Call your local station for The am stereo sound. Do not promote > >the station, make it generic. Promote > >www.amstereoradio.com, > >Chris Cuff, Jeff Deck and, > >www.audiocubes.com. > >I was going to promote > >the right resorces. > > > > >Jim S > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] HI Both sound and site and pepole. JIm S From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 15:41:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5678 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 23:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 23:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 23:41:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 23:41:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 23:41:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WBZ / WINS audiofile Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031207123636.97459.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1051 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The WINS one sounds far better and has spectacular > bass response, and a better highs. LOL! I noticed a > nice selective fade on WINS. How far are you from > their transmitter site, Kevin? I'm about 25 miles to the west. I think WINS' directional array could use a tune-up because a few years ago they were fairly solid, day and night, but now they sound squawky and distorted during the day and suffer from a lot of selective fading at night (in addition to often having 1010 CFRB fighting with them in the background, which I never noticed in the past). > WBZ sounds very apparently less loud than KDKA down > here in South Carolina. I guess they [KDKA] are next to > be ruined now that Mr. Ibiquity is the main > engineering director for Infinity. Next on the list for Infinity are 740 KCBS in San Francisco and 1070 KNX in L.A., which are both already marked as IBOC digital stations in the FCC database. 1020 KDKA and other Infinity stations are not marked as IBOC, so apparently they will be staying analog for the time being. From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sun Dec 07 16:51:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22223 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 00:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 00:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO twix.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 00:51:00 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1BD7CAD1E1E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 00:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87311AD1E1E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 00:40:58 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031207195649.02c3f040@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:57:39 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: am stereo as commercial <-corrected subject spelling In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031207180152.02f43b90@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.70 From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Huh? Jim S wrote: HI Both sound and site and pepole. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Sun Dec 07 17:15:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59582 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 01:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 01:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 01:15:39 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-1-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.1]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 467DA14E0E5 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:15:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004f01c3bd29$0b6541c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBZ: Separating the Men from the Boys Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:09:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Super idea! That could give folks something to chew on. I'd be interested in hearing the difference myself. If it's easy to tell on the el cheapo computer speakers I've got, imagine the difference on a decent radio. Scott Todd > You know what I'd REALLY like to hear?? > > Does anyone have an audio clip of something from WBZ in AM Stereo, > from their AM Stereo days, and then the same exact sounder/clip as it > sounds now with their new impaired analog sound? From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 17:19:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44038 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 01:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 01:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 01:19:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 01:19:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 01:19:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: am stereo as commercial <--corrected subject spelling Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1121 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: =snip= > AM radio has a stigma stuck to it that wont be going away anytime soon. I believe I have alluded to this for quite some time, and it's a very old problem that has existed at least 40 years now, and it WILL take a herculean effort to reverse. Broadcasters aren't entirely to blame, as this started with radio manufacturers who found an ultra-cheap design and marketed it for all it's worth, leaving the public impression of AM=bad audio. As generations pass, many of those radio engineers and other broadcast people GREW UP with the notion of "AM = bvad audio". Even with the advent of AM stereo, in all its myriad forms, and far better audio (the WORST AMS radios are still better than MOST mono AM radios), has been unsuccessful in changing widespread opinions of AM, and IBOC is a deliberate perpetuation of the idea of "AM = bad audio". Things don't look good for AM any time soon, and probably won't for decades to come. :( But despite much of this (or should I say IN SPITE OF), I'm dedicated to analog AM stereo. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Sun Dec 07 17:21:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15070 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 01:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 01:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 01:20:36 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB81KXJY026261 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:20:35 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:20:33 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In other words...they dont care about quality sound or programming > on AM..and this is the case all across this nation with a good > number of major broadcast companies. The people on this board and > myself that are in broadcasting know what needs to be done, but we > are only but a few voices working at only a few stations. If you > compare that to all of the people and stations in this nation... > our few voices and actions are only a needle in a hay stack. > > In order for AM to be something worth getting attention again > stations are going to have to improve audio quality and > programming, then the public needs to be informed..ie..ok this is > what AM has to offer now and it sounds good. > > All of that would have to be done in short order time with a > huge promotion campaign. Looking at reality,thats not going to > happen anytime in this century....sadly enough. I'm not too sure about this Bob. I reckon if just one station in a big market does the right thing - ie. has decent audio and good programming - and actually has the guts to keep announcing this on air - and also saying that AMS radios are available from Audiocubes (they could have a link on their website) - they may very well reep the benefits in advertising and ratings. Word would soon get around and other stations would follow. I wish Magic 693 would do that here - but I'm sure they won't (they won't even mention AM stereo). Most good stations are probably similar. But there must be a few good independently owned stations with the balls to try. We need the first domino to fall! Ian Melbourne From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Dec 07 17:53:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31022 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 01:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 01:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 01:53:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 01:53:16 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62150 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 01:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 01:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 01:35:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 01:35:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 01:35:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WBZ / WINS audiofile Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 585 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.205 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Dec 2003 01:53:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I'm about 25 miles to the west. I think WINS' directional array > could use a tune-up because a few years ago they were fairly solid, > day and night, but now they sound squawky and distorted during the > day and suffer from a lot of selective fading at night (in addition > to often having 1010 CFRB fighting with them in the background, which > I never noticed in the past). Didn't WINS build a new array a few years back, with a different pattern? Or was that longer ago than I think? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Dec 07 17:53:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83045 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 01:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 01:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 01:53:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 01:53:30 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44643 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 01:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 01:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 01:46:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 01:46:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 01:46:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 923 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.205 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Dec 2003 01:53:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > I'm not too sure about this Bob. > > I reckon if just one station in a big market does the right thing - ie. > has decent audio and good programming - and actually has the guts to keep > announcing this on air - and also saying that AMS radios are available > from Audiocubes (they could have a link on their website) - they may very > well reep the benefits in advertising and ratings. Ratings yes, advertising no. Why would people tune to AM for a music format that was available on FM? A few years back there was a small suburban daytime AM in this market that had fantastic ratings, I think even better than a couple of the local class A clear channel stations, but they did it with a music format that wasn't available on FM, and the rumor was that the advertisers weren't interested, so eventually the format went away. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 18:01:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36811 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 02:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 02:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 02:01:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 02:01:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 02:01:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WBZ / WINS audiofile Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1208 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Didn't WINS build a new array a few years back, with a different > pattern? Or was that longer ago than I think? They did, around 1995. As part of that upgrade, they also bought out and shut down a station in Little Rock, Arkansas (either on 1000 or 1010 kHz, I forget which), and neighboring 1000 WRNJ in northern New Jersey was forced to vacate that frequency (they moved up to 1510 kHz). Also, 1010 CFRB in Canada signed an agreement to accept more co-channel skywave interference from WINS. However, since then, the nulls in WINS' pattern towards the west seem to have gotten worse. On my radio during the daytime, WINS often sounds like a skywave signal that is undergoing selective fading, except that "fading" never goes away. But Infinity probably doesn't care that much about WINS' signal coverage in suburban areas, because inside New York City itself, the signal is fine, and that is their primary target. Infinity also owns fellow all-news station 880 WCBS, whose non-directional 50 kW signal does a better job of covering the surrounding area (NJ, NY, CT, even reaching into PA and RI) and is the primary all-news station for those areas, rather than in the city itself. From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Dec 07 19:29:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59197 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 03:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 03:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 03:29:52 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hB83TnxB052488 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:29:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001b01c3bd3b$8a1ccfd0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WBZ / WINS audiofile Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:29:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > I'm about 25 miles to the west. I think WINS' directional array > > could use a tune-up because a few years ago they were fairly solid, > > day and night, but now they sound squawky and distorted during the > > day and suffer from a lot of selective fading at night (in addition > > to often having 1010 CFRB fighting with them in the background, which > > I never noticed in the past). > > Didn't WINS build a new array a few years back, with a different > pattern? Or was that longer ago than I think? They did, but it longer than "a few years". Infinity (or whoever owned them made substantial changes back in the late 80's or early 90's. 1010 is a Canadian Clear channel, with CFRB as the dominant station. At one time there was a station on 1010 in Little Rock (KLRA), with historic dominance (they preceded WINS in licensing) in the USA, therefore WINS had to protect them at night. Since WINS had to protect KLRA, plus CFRB, their pattern was very tight until the late 80's or early 90's. The pretty much squirted their 50kw into the Atlantic. Infinity (or whoever owned WINS at the time) purchased KLRA in Little Rock in the late 80'a or early 90's for purpose of taking it dark (which they did). This allowed WINS to make major changes to their night-time pattern and now they can be heard regularly in the Ohio valley at night. There is a local station on 1010 with a dozen (or so) watts at night and during these winter months, WINS completely obliterates them, even at the base of their tower. Prior to taking KLRA dark, WINS could NEVER be heard in Ohio, Indiana and Illinois You could always hear (faintly) CFRB and KLRA was a frequent catch, but I never heard WINS, EVER , until KLRA went dark and WINS changed their night-time array.. You might say it was the WOWO (Ft Wayne) scenario 10 years prior (if you don't know the WOWO story, it's the biggest travesty in the history of the FCC, and I'd love to share it). It cost Little Rock their most powerful AM station, but gave WINS better night-time coverage. From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Dec 07 19:33:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47804 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 03:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 03:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 03:33:09 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hB83X5jC053043 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:33:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002801c3bd3b$fffd8230$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WBZ / WINS audiofile Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:33:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > They did, around 1995. As part of that upgrade, they also bought out > and shut down a station in Little Rock, Arkansas Was it in 1995? I wasn't sure of the date but I thought it was longer ago than 1995 (although I'm sure you're right). From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 19:44:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91004 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 03:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 03:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 03:44:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20031208034410.28509.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.74] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:44:10 PST Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:44:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WBZ / WINS audiofile To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > The WINS one sounds far better and has spectacular > > bass response, and a better highs. LOL! I noticed > a > > nice selective fade on WINS. How far are you from > > their transmitter site, Kevin? > I'm about 25 miles to the west. I think WINS' > directional array > could use a tune-up because a few years ago they > were fairly solid, > day and night, but now they sound squawky and > distorted during the > day and suffer from a lot of selective fading at > night (in addition > to often having 1010 CFRB fighting with them in the > background, which > I never noticed in the past). I thought they had done that and had modified their pattern. Maybe it put you in a nasty null. I have heard selective fades on WBT at that distance in the MAIN LOBE (!!) > > WBZ sounds very apparently less loud than KDKA > down > > here in South Carolina. I guess they [KDKA] are > next to > > be ruined now that Mr. Ibiquity is the main > > engineering director for Infinity. > > Next on the list for Infinity are 740 KCBS in San > Francisco and > 1070 KNX in L.A., which are both already marked as > IBOC digital > stations in the FCC database. 1020 KDKA and other > Infinity stations > are not marked as IBOC, so apparently they will be > staying analog for > the time being. I won't hear them. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 19:46:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 139 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 03:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 03:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 03:46:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20031208034637.28845.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.74] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:46:37 PST Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:46:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WBZ / WINS audiofile To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > > > I'm about 25 miles to the west. I think WINS' > directional array > > could use a tune-up because a few years ago they > were fairly solid, > > day and night, but now they sound squawky and > distorted during the > > day and suffer from a lot of selective fading at > night (in addition > > to often having 1010 CFRB fighting with them in > the background, which > > I never noticed in the past). > Didn't WINS build a new array a few years back, with > a different > pattern? Or was that longer ago than I think? > John That's what I heard. Maybe that put a null right over Kevins place. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 20:23:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36268 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 04:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 04:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 04:23:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 04:23:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 04:23:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WBZ: Separating the Men from the Boys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1844 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You know what I'd REALLY like to hear?? > > Does anyone have an audio clip of something from WBZ in AM Stereo, > from their AM Stereo days, and then the same exact sounder/clip as > it sounds now with their new impaired analog sound? Ask, and ye shall receive: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wbz-comp.mp3 It's based on an actual recording of WBZ's traffic sounder that I made locally in Boston in August 2001. First you hear the "new" 5 kHz mono version, then the "old" full-bandwidth AM Stereo version. I could've added simulated "IBOC hiss", too, but this recording was made at 9:03 PM in the evening, which is past sunset in Boston at any time of the year, and thus WBZ would not be allowed to use their IBOC at that time. However, there is a report on the Boston radio message board of WBZ leaving their IBOC on past sunset, so they might be taking advantage of the loophole in the FCC ruling which allows the IBOC to be used until 6:00 PM, if the actual sunset time is earlier than that, in order to cover the lucrative evening "drive-time" with a digital signal (there is a similar extension allowing the IBOC to be used as early as 6:00 AM). But as anyone who listens to AM radio in the winter knows, the skywaves can start coming in over an hour before local sunset time, or past an hour after local sunrise time -- and since the FCC allows IBOC to be used within these "critical hours", skywave interference is going to be unavoidable. And I fear that this may be used as an argument to let IBOC be used full-time, because if we can tolerate the IBOC interference during these morning and late afternoon hours, then why not let it be used all night long? That's like the U.S. government saying, "Our national debt is so bad already, what difference does it make if we waste another $500 million?" From dav259@csiro.au Sun Dec 07 21:35:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20670 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 05:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 05:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 05:35:12 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB85Z9JY008350 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:35:10 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:35:08 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, bta_50g wrote: > > well reep the benefits in advertising and ratings. > > Ratings yes, advertising no. Why would people tune to AM for a music > format that was available on FM? Why indeed? - That's I guess why our AM stations have different music formats to the FM stations. > A few years back there was a small > suburban daytime AM in this market that had fantastic ratings, I think > even better than a couple of the local class A clear channel stations, > but they did it with a music format that wasn't available on FM, and > the rumor was that the advertisers weren't interested, so eventually > the format went away. Well that's crazy! In our market Magic 693 consistently rates about 7% and MIX-FM is lucky to get 6%. So Magic charges higher rates than MIX. QED. Why would advertisers be silly enough to ignore the ratings??? From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Dec 07 21:43:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83312 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 05:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 05:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 05:43:52 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.119.2c9cbcb6 (3310) for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 00:43:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <119.2c9cbcb6.2d056994@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 00:43:48 EST Subject: A lighter side of things..... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.163 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How many forum members does it takes to change a light bulb?=20 1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been=20 changed=20 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the=20 light bulb could have been changed differently=20 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs=20 10 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing=20 light bulbs=20 5 to flame the spell checkers=20 3 to correct spelling/grammar flames=20 6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... another=20 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid=20 2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term=20 is "lamp"=20 15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light=20 bulb" is perfectly correct=20 19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please=20 take this discussion to a lightbulb forum=20 11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light=20 bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum=20 36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where=20 to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for=20 this technique and what brands are faulty=20 7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs=20 4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the=20 corrected URL's=20 3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to=20 this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group=20 13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including=20 all headers and signatures, and add "Me too"=20 5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they=20 cannot handle the light bulb controversy=20 4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"=20 13 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting=20 questions about light bulbs"=20 18 who trip over each other in their rush to say "repost!"=20 1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and=20 start it all over again. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Dec 07 21:50:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23178 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 05:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 05:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 05:50:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 05:50:45 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33358 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 05:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 05:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 05:44:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 05:43:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 05:43:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1213 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.233 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Dec 2003 05:50:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, bta_50g wrote: > > > > well reep the benefits in advertising and ratings. > > > > Ratings yes, advertising no. Why would people tune to AM for a music > > format that was available on FM? > > Why indeed? - That's I guess why our AM stations have different music > formats to the FM stations. > > > A few years back there was a small > > suburban daytime AM in this market that had fantastic ratings, I think > > even better than a couple of the local class A clear channel stations, > > but they did it with a music format that wasn't available on FM, and > > the rumor was that the advertisers weren't interested, so eventually > > the format went away. > > Well that's crazy! In our market Magic 693 consistently rates about 7% > and MIX-FM is lucky to get 6%. So Magic charges higher rates than MIX. > QED. > > Why would advertisers be silly enough to ignore the ratings??? I left out a crucial word that I meant to include, which explains everything, "demographics". Ratings are no good if they represent an undesirable demographic, which was the case here. John From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 22:26:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39507 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 06:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 06:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 06:26:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 06:26:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 06:26:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WBZ: Separating the Men from the Boys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1029 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > But as anyone who listens to AM radio in the winter knows, the > skywaves can start coming in over an hour before local sunset time, > or past an hour after local sunrise time -- and since the FCC allows > IBOC to be used within these "critical hours", skywave interference > is going to be unavoidable. And I fear that this may be used as an > argument to let IBOC be used full-time, because if we can tolerate > the IBOC interference during these morning and late afternoon hours, > then why not let it be used all night long? That's like the U.S. > government saying, "Our national debt is so bad already, what > difference does it make if we waste another $500 million?" I've heard skywave as early as a couple hours before sunset in the last few days, and the other day I heard KFBK Sacramento, CA, from 500 miles south of there at just after noon using only a portable and a chain-link fence. The signal was extremely faint, though. From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Dec 08 00:32:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48320 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 08:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 08:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 08:31:56 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-63-170.rev.o1.com [66.81.63.170]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hB88VrQ41486; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 00:31:54 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c3bd65$57c85840$aa3f5142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: am stereo commmercal Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 00:29:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi I all so think putting out the good word about am stereo sound and this site and the pepole hear that can turn pepoles radios to am stereos is a good thing. I gess the radio station i am thinking of putting the commercal on is still doing good thay are still on the air and now a days thats saying something. In my area there was a very good classic county station on am 1140. It was KRAK AM 1140 and thay went with c-quam about 1986. Some thing happend and thay moved to KZAP FM 98.5 thay sucked not the same dj's and with new county format. And thay were there for about a year than thay moved to 1470 am with the old format and dj's and in mono. About 2001 KRAK AM 1470 got the word from ABC that thay were being bot. And that ended a 50 year run for a good am station. Gess what they put in there place was a kiddy format radio dis ney and i did dis ney on perpuss.A foot note when KRAK AM 1140 moved a sports talk station took over and thay are still there now in am mono. Jim S From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 01:16:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20193 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 09:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 09:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 09:16:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 09:16:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:16:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am stereo commmercal Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c3bd65$57c85840$aa3f5142@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 802 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" wrote: =snip= > saying something. In my area there was a very good classic county station > on am 1140. It was KRAK AM 1140 and thay went with c-quam about 1986. They were Harris before adopting C-QUAM, and were, in fact, one of the very first AM stations in Northern California to embrace AM stereo. KRAK was the ONLY non-local to boom in like a local at night. Others werr strong, but KRAK's signal was overwhelming. The station that was formerly KRAK still has the transmitter in operation, and the exciter's still in place, as I get a STRONG falsing from them on my radios. (It is a false stereo, as it doesn't trip the stereo on peaks the skywave reception.) I live about 200 miles W-NW of them. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Dec 08 02:13:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8276 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 10:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 10:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 10:13:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 10:13:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:13:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am stereo commmercal Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1082 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.40.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" > wrote: > > =snip= > > > saying something. In my area there was a very good classic county > station > > on am 1140. It was KRAK AM 1140 and thay went with c-quam about > 1986. > > They were Harris before adopting C-QUAM, and were, in fact, one of > the very first AM stations in Northern California to embrace AM > stereo. > > KRAK was the ONLY non-local to boom in like a local at night. Others > werr strong, but KRAK's signal was overwhelming. > > The station that was formerly KRAK still has the transmitter in > operation, and the exciter's still in place, as I get a STRONG > falsing from them on my radios. (It is a false stereo, as it doesn't > trip the stereo on peaks the skywave reception.) > > I live about 200 miles W-NW of them. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Hey Amy Were i live about 35 mlie north east of Sacramento 1140 am have all ways out bad at night. And thay all ways been a 50 kw station Jim S From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Dec 08 04:45:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45664 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 12:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 12:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 12:44:59 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hB8Ciw9K038548 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 05:44:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004a01c3bd89$17548490$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WBZ: Separating the Men from the Boys Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:44:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > I've heard skywave as early as a couple hours before sunset in the > last few days, and the other day I heard KFBK Sacramento, CA, from 500 > miles south of there at just after noon using only a portable and a > chain-link fence. The signal was extremely faint, though. There have been days in December and early January that I have hear skywave at noon. It doesn't happen very often.. Maybe once every year or two but these short winter days are sure freaky on the ionosphere. I once worked at a 1,000 watt non-directional AM station in Cocoa Florida and on Christmas Day 1975 I got a call from our GM who was home for Christmas and hear me in Mid-Town-Manhattan at 12 noon. From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Dec 08 06:43:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 518 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 14:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 14:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 14:43:18 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:43:18 -0700 Message-ID: <008801c3bd99$9ecfcb90$5401010a@AM> To: References: <119.2c9cbcb6.2d056994@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} A lighter side of things..... Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:43:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Bob! Hadn't laughed that much in a while!!! LMAO! Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:43 PM Subject: {AMSF} A lighter side of things..... How many forum members does it takes to change a light bulb? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Dec 08 06:46:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89239 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 14:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 14:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 14:46:02 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:46:02 -0700 Message-ID: <00a401c3bd9a$00940620$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:46:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the KFOX questions, I haven't picked them up in quite a while. I thought maybe they had changed formats. Lately I've been getting a 1650 really well in full stereo (just like KFOX used to come in) but it's not Korean....it's news or sports talk. Are they indeed still Korean? Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Dec 08 07:10:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61910 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 15:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 15:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.155) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 15:10:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:10:15 -0800 Received: from 171.75.128.136 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:10:15 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WBZ / WINS audiofile Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:10:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2003 15:10:15.0652 (UTC) FILETIME=[627F2240:01C3BD9D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.155 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [171.75.128.136] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I would like to know about the WOWO scenario (rhyming unintentional). Michael Upton >From: "Jim Burgan" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WBZ / WINS audiofile >Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:29:49 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net >Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.64]) by >mc12-f32.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 7 Dec 2003 >19:30:51 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec >2003 03:30:02 -0000 >Received: (qmail 59197 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 03:29:51 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >8 Dec 2003 03:29:51 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by >mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 03:29:52 -0000 >Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) >(authenticated)by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hB83TnxB052488 for >; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:29:50 -0700 (MST) >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jE1XEmoJ+/jnLxyNbsSIL/G >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-4085512-14381-1070854198-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: <001b01c3bd3b$8a1ccfd0$6401a8c0@jimspc> >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 >X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-14381-1070854198-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2003 03:30:51.0514 (UTC) >FILETIME=[ADEBD5A0:01C3BD3B] > > > > > I'm about 25 miles to the west. I think WINS' directional array > > > could use a tune-up because a few years ago they were fairly solid, > > > day and night, but now they sound squawky and distorted during the > > > day and suffer from a lot of selective fading at night (in addition > > > to often having 1010 CFRB fighting with them in the background, which > > > I never noticed in the past). > > > > Didn't WINS build a new array a few years back, with a different > > pattern? Or was that longer ago than I think? > >They did, but it longer than "a few years". >Infinity (or whoever owned them made substantial changes back in the late >80's or early 90's. >1010 is a Canadian Clear channel, with CFRB as the dominant station. >At one time there was a station on 1010 in Little Rock (KLRA), with >historic >dominance (they preceded WINS in licensing) in the USA, therefore WINS had >to protect them at night. >Since WINS had to protect KLRA, plus CFRB, their pattern was very tight >until the late 80's or early 90's. The pretty much squirted their 50kw >into >the Atlantic. Infinity (or whoever owned WINS at the time) purchased KLRA >in Little Rock in the late 80'a or early 90's for purpose of taking it dark >(which they did). This allowed WINS to make major changes to their >night-time pattern and now they can be heard regularly in the Ohio valley >at >night. >There is a local station on 1010 with a dozen (or so) watts at night and >during these winter months, WINS completely obliterates them, even at the >base of their tower. Prior to taking KLRA dark, WINS could NEVER be heard >in Ohio, Indiana and Illinois You could always hear (faintly) CFRB and >KLRA >was a frequent catch, but I never heard WINS, EVER , until KLRA went dark >and WINS changed their night-time array.. >You might say it was the WOWO (Ft Wayne) scenario 10 years prior (if you >don't know the WOWO story, it's the biggest travesty in the history of the >FCC, and I'd love to share it). >It cost Little Rock their most powerful AM station, but gave WINS better >night-time coverage. > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From mikew@lanl.gov Mon Dec 08 07:54:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikew@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38978 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 15:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 15:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 15:54:27 -0000 Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB8FsQTS031477 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:54:26 -0700 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB8FsQwv009708 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:54:26 -0700 Received: from lanl.gov (romulus.lanl.gov [128.165.209.40]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB8FsQFQ004125 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:54:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3FD49EBB.8070102@lanl.gov> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:54:35 -0700 Organization: Otowi Medium Wave DXers Club User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030701 X-Accept-Language: en-us, es, en, zh-cn, af, sq, ar, ar-dz, ar-bh, ar-eg, ar-iq, ar-jo, ar-kw, ar-lb, ar-ly, ar-ma, ar-om, ar-qa, ar-sa, ar-sy, ar-tn, ar-ae, ar-ye, hy, ast, eu, be, bs, bg, ca, zh, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, hr, cs, da, nl, nl-be, en-au, en-bz, en-ca, en-ie, en-jm, en-nz, en-ph, en-za, en-tt, en-gb, en-zw, eo, et, fo, fi, fr, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr, fr-lu, fr-mc, fr-ch, gl, ka, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, hu, is, id, in, ga, it, it-ch, ja, ko, ko-kp, ko-kr, lv, lt, mk-mk, ms, no, nb, nn, pl, pt, pt-br, ro, ru, gd, sr, sk, sl, sb, es-ar, es-bo, es-cl, es-co, es-cr, es-do, es-ec, es-sv, es-gt, es-hn, es-mx, es-ni, es-pa, es-py, es-pe, es-pr, es-es, es-uy, es-ve, sv, sv-fi, th, tr, uk, vi, cy, xh, yi, zu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles References: <00a401c3bd9a$00940620$5401010a@AM> In-Reply-To: <00a401c3bd9a$00940620$5401010a@AM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150284724 X-Yahoo-Profile: n6kuy Michael J. Richard wrote: > On the KFOX questions, I haven't picked them up in quite a while. I > thought maybe they had changed formats. Lately I've been getting a 1650 > really well in full stereo (just like KFOX used to come in) but it's not > Korean....it's news or sports talk. Are they indeed still Korean? Yes. I just heard them a couple days ago while listening for the new one testing in El Paso. They did a full English legal ID, mentioning both Korean programming and AM Stereo. -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Dec 08 08:07:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34275 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 16:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 16:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 16:07:09 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:07:09 -0700 Message-ID: <043f01c3bda5$557f3780$5401010a@AM> To: References: <00a401c3bd9a$00940620$5401010a@AM> <3FD49EBB.8070102@lanl.gov> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:07:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Mike I might make a fool of myself here, but I seem to remember hearing KNUS calls on Saturday night. Don't know if that's possible, or maybe I'm just screwed up and was listening to 710 at that time. Pat can probably confirm this....is KBJD simulcasting KNUS? Man it's Monday. I hate it that I do so much DXing in the car and don't have a pen and paper handy to write down when I hear something. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 8:54 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles Michael J. Richard wrote: > On the KFOX questions, I haven't picked them up in quite a while. I > thought maybe they had changed formats. Lately I've been getting a 1650 > really well in full stereo (just like KFOX used to come in) but it's not > Korean....it's news or sports talk. Are they indeed still Korean? Yes. I just heard them a couple days ago while listening for the new one testing in El Paso. They did a full English legal ID, mentioning both Korean programming and AM Stereo. -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mikew@lanl.gov Mon Dec 08 08:24:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikew@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41984 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 16:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 16:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 16:24:55 -0000 Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB8GOsTS009211 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:24:54 -0700 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB8GOrwv026277 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:24:53 -0700 Received: from lanl.gov (romulus.lanl.gov [128.165.209.40]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB8GOqFQ012411 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:24:52 -0700 Message-ID: <3FD4A5DD.4000707@lanl.gov> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:25:01 -0700 Organization: Otowi Medium Wave DXers Club User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030701 X-Accept-Language: en-us, es, en, zh-cn, af, sq, ar, ar-dz, ar-bh, ar-eg, ar-iq, ar-jo, ar-kw, ar-lb, ar-ly, ar-ma, ar-om, ar-qa, ar-sa, ar-sy, ar-tn, ar-ae, ar-ye, hy, ast, eu, be, bs, bg, ca, zh, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, hr, cs, da, nl, nl-be, en-au, en-bz, en-ca, en-ie, en-jm, en-nz, en-ph, en-za, en-tt, en-gb, en-zw, eo, et, fo, fi, fr, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr, fr-lu, fr-mc, fr-ch, gl, ka, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, hu, is, id, in, ga, it, it-ch, ja, ko, ko-kp, ko-kr, lv, lt, mk-mk, ms, no, nb, nn, pl, pt, pt-br, ro, ru, gd, sr, sk, sl, sb, es-ar, es-bo, es-cl, es-co, es-cr, es-do, es-ec, es-sv, es-gt, es-hn, es-mx, es-ni, es-pa, es-py, es-pe, es-pr, es-es, es-uy, es-ve, sv, sv-fi, th, tr, uk, vi, cy, xh, yi, zu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles References: <00a401c3bd9a$00940620$5401010a@AM> <3FD49EBB.8070102@lanl.gov> <043f01c3bda5$557f3780$5401010a@AM> In-Reply-To: <043f01c3bda5$557f3780$5401010a@AM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150284724 X-Yahoo-Profile: n6kuy Michael J. Richard wrote: > Thanks Mike > > I might make a fool of myself here, but I seem to remember hearing KNUS > calls on Saturday night. Don't know if that's possible, or maybe I'm > just screwed up and was listening to 710 at that time. Pat can probably > confirm this....is KBJD simulcasting KNUS? No you're not screwed up. KBJD ID's as "KNUS-2"... Silly, I know. -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Dec 08 08:32:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97475 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 16:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 16:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 16:29:02 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:29:02 -0700 Message-ID: <045101c3bda8$641c5680$5401010a@AM> To: References: <00a401c3bd9a$00940620$5401010a@AM> <3FD49EBB.8070102@lanl.gov> <043f01c3bda5$557f3780$5401010a@AM> <3FD4A5DD.4000707@lanl.gov> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:29:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THANK YOU!!!! I was really hoping I wasn't THAT crazy. This is news (no pun intended) to me. I had THOUGHT that last time I was in Denver (it's been a year or two) that KBJD was still Christian. And if I remember correctly, the religious music was not in stereo. So it seemed to be one of those pilot-only stations. Although it's entirely possible that the religious stuff was a mono-only satellite feed. Makes sense. Thanks again! Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:25 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles Michael J. Richard wrote: > Thanks Mike > > I might make a fool of myself here, but I seem to remember hearing KNUS > calls on Saturday night. Don't know if that's possible, or maybe I'm > just screwed up and was listening to 710 at that time. Pat can probably > confirm this....is KBJD simulcasting KNUS? No you're not screwed up. KBJD ID's as "KNUS-2"... Silly, I know. -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 08:54:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91452 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 16:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 16:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 16:54:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20031208165428.89258.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.120] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:54:28 PST Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:54:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.88 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > > Why would advertisers be silly enough to ignore > the ratings??? > > I left out a crucial word that I meant to include, > which explains > everything, "demographics". Ratings are no good if > they represent an > undesirable demographic, which was the case here. > > John And often times it's a PERCEIVED undesirable demographic, and it really isn't. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w6yn@juno.com Mon Dec 08 09:50:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27858 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 17:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 17:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 17:45:53 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCcHiy/qVNDKOXqYVG6BQsBQ=">; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:45:01 PST Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JGV55PA9; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:45:01 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:32:39 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial Message-ID: <20031208.094341.224.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-6,8,10-13 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Exactly the same thing happened in the LA market. 20 - 25 years ago a 900kHz daytimer (KGRB) played a mix of 30's and 40's pop and jazz and had good ratings. Of course that frequency now has a Mexican music format. > On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, bta_50g wrote: > > A few years back there was a small > > suburban daytime AM in this market that had fantastic ratings, I think > > even better than a couple of the local class A clear channel stations, > > but they did it with a music format that wasn't available on FM, and > > the rumor was that the advertisers weren't interested, so eventually > > the format went away. > From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 09:55:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42297 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 17:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 17:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 17:50:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 17:50:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:50:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a401c3bd9a$00940620$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 856 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > On the KFOX questions, I haven't picked them up in quite a while. I thought maybe they had changed formats. Lately I've been getting a 1650 really well in full stereo (just like KFOX used to come in) but it's not Korean....it's news or sports talk. Are they indeed still Korean? When I was in Anaheim around Halloween, they most certainly were, so I believe they still are. As for their nighttime signal strength, they have powered down to what they LEGALLY should be broadcasting at night with- which they weren't up until sometime last year, broadcasting at full daytime power. Their previous calls were, if I remember correctly, KHWY, 24-hour traffic reports for the LA area, all in glorious AM stereo, with stereo sounders and such. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 09:57:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22123 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 17:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 17:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 17:57:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 17:56:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:56:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031208165428.89258.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 582 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- bta_50g wrote: > > > Why would advertisers be silly enough to ignore > > the ratings??? > > > > I left out a crucial word that I meant to include, > > which explains > > everything, "demographics". Ratings are no good if > > they represent an > > undesirable demographic, which was the case here. > > > > John > > And often times it's a PERCEIVED undesirable > demographic, and it really isn't. Marketing consultants are the demon spawn of Satan. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 10:58:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11726 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 18:57:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 18:57:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 18:57:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 18:56:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 18:56:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1650 KBJD/Denver Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <045101c3bda8$641c5680$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 475 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I had THOUGHT that last time I was in Denver (it's been a year or > two) that KBJD was still Christian. And if I remember correctly, > the religious music was not in stereo. So it seemed to be one of > those pilot-only stations. When I was in Denver about two years ago, 1650 KBJD, known as "The Rock", was indeed running a Christian music format with the AM Stereo pilot on, but with no separation in the audio. I don't recall if it was a satellite format or not. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 11:08:42 2003 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 11:08:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67069 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 19:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 19:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 19:08:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 19:07:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:07:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: formats, demographics, etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1037 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Marketing consultants are the demon spawn of Satan. It's the same reason why New York City has neither a Country music station nor an Adult Standards music station -- because while both would attract a great number of listeners and likely get good ratings, these formats are just not attractive to advertisers. As a whole, Adult Standards is on shaky ground, because it seems that nobody cares to advertise on a format whose primary audience is above the age of 54. Even Oldies is slipping, because despite the ever- increasing inclusion of '70s and '80s music, it has the stereotype that nobody under the age of 40 could possibly be interested in it. But it's funny... if you go down to Florida, you'll even still find Beautiful Music stations on the air, because the advertisers aren't so scared of older listeners. But elsewhere, the closest thing to an easy-listening format you'll find is "Smooth Jazz", which is actually a soft AC format with a few Kenny G or Dave Koz instrumentals thrown in from time to time. From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Dec 08 11:21:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88277 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 19:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 19:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 19:12:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 19:12:40 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24917 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 18:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 18:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 18:30:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 18:30:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 18:30:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031208165428.89258.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 661 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Dec 2003 19:12:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" < w4opw@y...> wrote: > > --- bta_50g wrote: > > > Why would advertisers be silly enough to ignore > > the ratings??? > > > > I left out a crucial word that I meant to include, > > which explains > > everything, "demographics". Ratings are no good if > > they represent an > > undesirable demographic, which was the case here. > > > > John > > And often times it's a PERCEIVED undesirable > demographic, and it really isn't. Who would want to spend advertising dollars on the old coots that are the only ones that would listen to a music formated AM stereo station? John From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 15:11:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2458 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 23:11:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 23:11:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 23:11:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 23:11:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:11:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 862 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" < > w4opw@y...> wrote: > > > > --- bta_50g wrote: > > > > Why would advertisers be silly enough to ignore > > > the ratings??? > > > > > > I left out a crucial word that I meant to include, > > > which explains > > > everything, "demographics". Ratings are no good if > > > they represent an > > > undesirable demographic, which was the case here. > > > > And often times it's a PERCEIVED undesirable > > demographic, and it really isn't. > > Who would want to spend advertising dollars on the old coots that are > the only ones that would listen to a music formated AM stereo station? Because those "old coots", who are increasing in numbers as the "baby boomers" age, have money. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Dec 08 16:23:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59984 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 00:23:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 00:23:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 00:23:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 00:22:52 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23337 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 00:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 00:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 00:05:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 00:04:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:04:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1087 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.220 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Dec 2003 00:22:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" < > > w4opw@y...> wrote: > > > > > > --- bta_50g wrote: > > > > > Why would advertisers be silly enough to ignore > > > > the ratings??? > > > > > > > > I left out a crucial word that I meant to include, > > > > which explains > > > > everything, "demographics". Ratings are no good if > > > > they represent an > > > > undesirable demographic, which was the case here. > > > > > > And often times it's a PERCEIVED undesirable > > > demographic, and it really isn't. > > > > Who would want to spend advertising dollars on the old coots that > are > > the only ones that would listen to a music formated AM stereo > station? > > Because those "old coots", who are increasing in numbers as the "baby > boomers" age, have money. Then how do you explain the fact that these successful formats ratings wise are constantly being killed off? John From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 16:29:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99413 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 00:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 00:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 00:29:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 00:29:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:29:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1275 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" < > > > w4opw@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- bta_50g wrote: > > > > > > Why would advertisers be silly enough to ignore > > > > > the ratings??? > > > > > > > > > > I left out a crucial word that I meant to include, > > > > > which explains > > > > > everything, "demographics". Ratings are no good if > > > > > they represent an > > > > > undesirable demographic, which was the case here. > > > > > > > > And often times it's a PERCEIVED undesirable > > > > demographic, and it really isn't. > > > > > > Who would want to spend advertising dollars on the old coots that > > are > > > the only ones that would listen to a music formated AM stereo > > station? > > > > Because those "old coots", who are increasing in numbers as the "baby > > boomers" age, have money. > > Then how do you explain the fact that these successful formats ratings > wise are constantly being killed off? Desirable demographics, or the lack thereof. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Dec 08 16:36:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33160 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 00:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 00:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 00:36:21 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031209003619.OWNJ28419.fed1mtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:36:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:37:12 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031208.094341.224.0.w6yn@juno.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.242 From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Good" is relative here. Their ratings were not that good, usually=20 below 1.0, but the owner owned it free and clear so he didn't have to=20 make a lot of money from it. The format changed when his surviving=20 daughters sold it after his death (I seem to recall it was one daughter=20 who forced the sale). On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 09:32 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Exactly the same thing happened in the LA market. 20 - 25 years ago a > 900kHz daytimer (KGRB) played a mix of 30's and 40's pop and jazz and=20 > had > good ratings. Of course that frequency now has a Mexican music format. > > > On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, bta_50g wrote: > > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A few years back there was a small > > > suburban daytime AM in this market that had fantastic ratings, I > think > > > even better than a couple of the local class A clear channel > stations, > > > but they did it with a music format that wasn't available on FM,=20 > and > > > the rumor was that the advertisers weren't interested, so=20 > eventually > > > the format went away. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Dec 08 16:37:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52704 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 00:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 00:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 00:37:39 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031209003740.FIYK3905.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:37:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:38:31 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <03761573-29E0-11D8-9455-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.241 From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Prior to that they simulcast 1260 adult standards. Saul Levine sold it,=20 and it went to foreign language broadcasting. On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 09:50 AM, Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" > wrote: > > On the KFOX questions, I haven't picked them up in quite a while.=A0 > I thought maybe they had changed formats.=A0 Lately I've been getting a > 1650 really well in full stereo (just like KFOX used to come in) but > it's not Korean....it's news or sports talk.=A0 Are they indeed still > Korean? > > When I was in Anaheim around Halloween, they most certainly were, so > I believe they still are. > > As for their nighttime signal strength, they have powered down to > what they LEGALLY should be broadcasting at night with- which they > weren't up until sometime last year, broadcasting at full daytime > power. > > Their previous calls were, if I remember correctly, KHWY, 24-hour > traffic reports for the LA area, all in glorious AM stereo, with > stereo sounders and such. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Dec 08 16:40:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94984 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 00:40:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 00:40:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 00:40:57 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031209004054.YBHH9968.fed1mtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:40:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:41:46 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <77674AFC-29E0-11D8-9455-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.126 From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Because the old coots are the ones with money: houses paid off, children moved out, like to travel and buy expensive cars ... advertisers like to spend all their time advertising to thos e without money! On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 10:30 AM, bta_50g wrote: > > Who would want to spend advertising dollars on the old coots that are > the only ones that would listen to a music formated AM stereo station? > > John > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Dec 08 16:50:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40589 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 00:48:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 00:48:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 00:48:39 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031209004552.YCWT9968.fed1mtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:45:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:46:47 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2ADC3EBE-29E1-11D8-9455-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.126 From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Easy: Ad salespeople are lazy and only go for national agency ads. If they went for local businesses, they'd do well with an older format. Wasn't KFRC/San Francisco number 3 in the market with Magic 61 Adult Standards (after Walter Sabo destroyed them as a top-40 station) ... but the ad agencies wouldn't buy them. On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 04:04 PM, bta_50g wrote: > > Then how do you explain the fact that these successful formats ratings > wise are constantly being killed off? > > John > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Dec 08 16:53:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97653 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 00:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 00:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.49) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 00:50:48 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 74ED470118 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90B61800AF; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031208195124.00abb6e0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:58:36 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony SRF-42 Cc: Katie Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.49 From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is one hell of a radio! Getting WKBW Buffalo, NY without the aid of any outdore antenna! Couldn't get that in dad's Town And Country 2001 limited, or any radio in the house period! And WPHT/WPEN sound excellent! Now dad will be more then willing to construct the antenna needed for better DXing and make the walkman in to a DX beast, but how would I hook an antenna up to a walkman like that? Not FM, Not XM< but AM Stereo! The best separation available on the broadcast band! John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 17:33:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76248 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 01:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 01:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 01:33:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 01:33:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 01:33:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031208195124.00abb6e0@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1292 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Now dad will be more then willing to construct the antenna needed > for better DXing and make the walkman in to a DX beast, but how > would I hook an antenna up to a walkman like that? The best antenna you can get for a walkman is a tuned loop antenna. It doesn't have a wired connection to the radio, but rather is placed next to the radio and is inductively coupled with the walkman's built-in ferrite bar antenna. You tune the walkman to the desired frequency, and then adjust the tuning and position of the loop antenna for best reception. Available models of tuned loop antennas include the Select-A-Tenna (good but expensive), the Terk AM Advantage (also very good, and more moderately priced), and I believe Radio Shack also has a model which is the cheapest (normally under $30) and works almost as well. I use the Terk AM Advantage myself and it works great. I bought it at an electronics store called "The Wiz" for about $60, but that chain is now out of business and I don't know if any of the other stores carry it. You could always mail-order it, or you can probably find one on eBay. > > Not FM, Not XM< but AM Stereo! The best separation available on the broadcast band! > > > > John > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 18:01:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19454 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 02:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 02:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 02:01:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20031209020155.93192.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.29] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 18:01:55 PST Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:01:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: formats, demographics, etc. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > Marketing consultants are the demon spawn of > Satan. > > It's the same reason why New York City has neither a > Country music > station nor an Adult Standards music station -- > because while both > would attract a great number of listeners and likely > get good ratings, > these formats are just not attractive to > advertisers. That's what the young "consultants" who have a dislike for more mature folks say. BUT a large newspaper chain funded a study proving this false, but the consultants continue with their same old line.. > As a whole, Adult Standards is on shaky ground, > because it seems that > nobody cares to advertise on a format whose primary > audience is above > the age of 54. That's what those above consultants spew. Even Oldies is slipping, because > despite the ever- > increasing inclusion of '70s and '80s music, it has > the stereotype > that nobody under the age of 40 could possibly be > interested in it. > > But it's funny... if you go down to Florida, you'll > even still find > Beautiful Music stations on the air, because the > advertisers aren't so > scared of older listeners. But elsewhere, the > closest thing to an > easy-listening format you'll find is "Smooth Jazz", > which is actually > a soft AC format with a few Kenny G or Dave Koz > instrumentals thrown > in from time to time. Just ignorant corporate robots....GRRR! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 18:06:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84326 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 02:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 02:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 02:06:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20031209020616.1910.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.29] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 18:06:16 PST Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:06:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > Then how do you explain the fact that these > successful formats ratings > wise are constantly being killed off? > John Because the corporate ninnies ( I most likely spelled that wrong) and the sales children haven't a clue as to how REALLY sell and be a good radio salesperson. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From stodd@vippn.com Mon Dec 08 18:11:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30032 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 02:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 02:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 02:11:11 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-142-30-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.142.30]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BB9F14E0A9 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:10:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003101c3bdf9$ebca0ea0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <004a01c3bd89$17548490$6401a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WBZ: Separating the Men from the Boys Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:12:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Someone managed to do something I never thought would happen- they DXed KYCR up in one of the northern scandinavian countries. KYCR was on high power on a winter afternoon at the time, judging by the report. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > There have been days in December and early January that I have hear skywave > at noon. It doesn't happen very often.. Maybe once every year or two but > these short winter days are sure freaky on the ionosphere. From stodd@vippn.com Mon Dec 08 18:12:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93150 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 02:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 02:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 02:12:05 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-142-30-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.142.30]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D28E714E0C3 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:11:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003701c3bdfa$16bd8a60$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: filing periods Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:13:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll pass the news along as I get it for those interested. Now's the time to take up the challenge. ST > On deck, stations in Arkansas, Louisiana and Mississippi. Pre-filing > announcements begin in December, followed by renewals in February. From stodd@vippn.com Mon Dec 08 18:13:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46629 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 02:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 02:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 02:13:40 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-142-30-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.142.30]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D560D14E09F for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:13:21 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004a01c3bdfa$48d38040$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: AM getting creative Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:15:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RBR's Morning E-Paper =20=20=20=20=20=20 Programming=20 Click here for audio spot -------------------------------------------------------------------------- KCUV-AM Denver going back to the old days of FM The Denver Post reports KCUV-AM Denver is "old-school FM radio in AM = duds." "Free form" they called it back in the day. KCUV, which went on the = air on 10/15, is the creation of Tim Brown, who grew tired of what was bein= g offered on local FM stations. That his father-in-law is promoter Phil Ans= chutz. "I got into broadcasting because I love it," Brown told the paper. "R= adio's become such a wasteland. It's predictable. It doesn't have a lot of = thought in it anymore." How to describe what KCUV plays? One recent morning, there were songs= by Carl Perkins, The Band, Bonnie Raitt, Muddy Waters, Bruce Springsteen, = Patsy Cline and Otis Taylor. You say "eclectic." Brown says "Americana," a catch-all term that cov= ers "roots music, all of the (musical) influences that got us where we are = today. It's all those formats - folk, bluegrass, progressive rock, country = - that you're not going to hear on the FM dial." Brown makes no secret of his disdain for his FM rivals. "They used to= be beacons of free-form radio. What happened is people paid a lot of money= for the stations. You've got two choices because you have to pay the mortg= age. First, you eliminate local programming. The programming has been reduc= ed, the commercial count has gone up...We're by no means a public radio sta= tion. We're still building our advertising. We're going to rachet up to eig= ht units an hour." =20=20=20=20=20 New readers can receive our RBR Morning Epaper FREE for the next 60 Business days!=20 Have a news story you'd like to share? radionews@rbr.com Advertise with RBR | Contact RBR =A9 2003 Radio Business Report. All rights reserved. =20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Mon Dec 08 18:18:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99944 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 02:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 02:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 02:17:50 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-142-30-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.142.30]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4698514E0D1 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:17:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006c01c3bdfa$e7151ca0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1650 KBJD/Denver Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:19:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It was local. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > When I was in Denver about two years ago, 1650 KBJD, known as "The > Rock", was indeed running a Christian music format with the AM Stereo > pilot on, but with no separation in the audio. I don't recall if it > was a satellite format or not. From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Dec 08 18:20:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76900 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 02:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 02:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 02:20:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:20:38 -0800 Received: from 172.162.220.196 by bay7-dav48.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 02:20:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20031209020616.1910.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:19:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2003 02:20:38.0113 (UTC) FILETIME=[08F39D10:01C3BDFB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.20 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.162.220.196] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >the sales children haven't a clue as to how REALLY sell and be a good radio salesperson. And the bean counters have no idea how to run a REAL radio station! I personally took the 6 cent tour of WKDK (Thanks Powel!) a few weeks ago. It is the first radio station that is run like a radio station that I have seen in far too many years! They even have real honest to goodness ITC cart machines and a LPB Signature "Battleship" board with REAL turntables that play these round black things with grooves in them! That is a sweet sounding BTA1R2 that is warming the building. Kevin From stodd@vippn.com Mon Dec 08 18:29:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17456 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 02:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 02:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 02:29:11 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-142-30-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.142.30]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CE09514E099 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:29:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00ab01c3bdfc$7d6539a0$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: Expanded band station for sale Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:25:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Since there are/were some folks on this list interested in purchasing a station, I thought I'd post this here. Saw the ad in Radio Business Report and made an inquiry as to which station it was. Probably be a reasonably priced station considering the market. Contact this person if you're still interested in buying. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clifton Gardiner" > To: "Scott Todd" > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:17 PM > Subject: RE: RBR ad > > > > Scott, > > Thanks for your email inquiry. The stations are KKWY-AM (expanded band > AM) > > and its sister station KJJL. The market is Cheyenne, WY. If there is an > > interest on the part of your friends I would be glad to talk with them and > > to send an information memorandum. > > Thanks, > > Cliff > > > > Cliff Gardiner > > Clifton Gardiner & Company > > Investment Bankers / Media Brokers > > 303.758.6900 > > Fax 303.479.9210 > > www.cliftongardiner.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@kkms.com] > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 8:12 AM > > To: cliff@cliftongardiner.com > > Subject: RBR ad > > > > Dear Mr. Gardiner, > > > > I understand you're the broker for an expanded band AM station. While I > > would not be the purchaser, I have a few friends who (individually) may be > > interested if it's in their price range. What station is it, and where is > > it located, and how much does the seller want? I'll forward your response > > to them. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Scott Todd > > > > > > > From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Dec 08 18:47:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54827 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 02:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 02:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 02:47:20 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hB92lIYu098404 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:47:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001701c3bdfe$c38df870$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WBZ / WINS audiofile Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:47:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Michael Upton > I would like to know about the WOWO scenario (rhyming unintentional). WOWO was alegendary Clear Channel station on 1190. It was a Class 1B Clear (by old classifications), meaning that they maintained 50KW 24 hours a day, but were slightly directional at night to protect KEX (another 50 KW Class 1B) in Portland Oregon. WFCL is another example of a Class 1B clear channel, slightly directional at night to protect co-channel KOMO in Seattle. There were 2 stations licensed on each clear-channel frequency at night and no more. Well, to make a long story short, the owners of WLIB (at the time I believe it was a daytimer on 1190) in New York decided they needed night-time power in order to compete. They were consistently getting .6 or .7 in the Arbitrons and felt a good night-time signal would help them compete against WCBS, WINS, WFNN, WABC etc, so they went out and purchased WOWO in Fort Wayne from Westinghouse (who was selling off many of their stations as they merged with RCA/NBC and had to divest. Well, now that WOWO was owned by the folks who owned WLIB in NY, they applied for a downgrade of WOWO from a Class A (current classifications) to a class B, and cut WOWO's nighttime power from 50KW to 10KW, while tightening up the night-time array to protect NY. Indiana lost it's only 50KW clear channel station, WLIB got 10,000 watt night-time coverage and still gets a .6 or .7 in the Arbitrons. Meanwhile, he downgrading of WOWO to a Class B gave them no more night-time protection than any other class B (virtually no skywave protection) so several other stations in the east half of the US have applied for (and many have received) night-time power increases since they no longer have to protect WOWO. 1190 KhZ in the eastern US has become as noisy as most regional frequencies. The bottom line is, WOWO, who once served the entire state of Indiana, now with 10,000 watts at night (very directional) can't even be heard in Indianapolis (a hundred miles to the south). Once the owners of WLIB downgraded WOWO and got their night-time authorization for WLIB, they sold WOWO and left the market. In other words, they bought it, raped it and sold it, while depriving Indiana of their only 50kw clear channel station, just to allow New York to have some sort of ethnic talk at night on WLIB, a city with plenty of AM stations with decent night-time signals. One thing that makes this such a travesty is that WLIB could have gotten siginificant night-time authorization to serve the NY Metro without raping WOWO, but that's another story. It resulted in 2 years of ranting of AM Radio purists on rec.radio.broadcasting at the time. Also, while owned by Group W (Westinghouse) they were a full-service AC in glorious C-Quam AM Stereo. It all came to an end in 1995. And now you know... the rest of the story! From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Dec 08 18:49:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18464 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 02:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 02:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 02:49:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 02:49:21 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90929 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 01:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 01:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 01:30:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 01:30:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 01:30:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: "Matrix Processors" and other matters Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2124 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.191 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Dec 2003 02:49:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 "Matrix Processors" receive frequent mention here in this group, in a context that indicates everyone believes they perform some wonderful function. Could someone explain precisely what the various "matrix processors" that are commonly mentioned here do, and I suspect they are not all the same? I can see two uses for so called "matrix processors", the first would be to dynamically modify the ratio of "L+R" to "L-R", although I am not sure why you would want to do that? The second use, which would be important in AM stereo, would be as an AM stereo limiter that would maximize the modulation levels under all conditions of modulation, monophonic, Left only, Right only, etc., while complying with the FCC AM stereo modulation rules. It would seem to me that this function would not actually require that the audio path be matrixed in the processor, but only that the limiter control signal be generated as a function of both a straight left/ right side chain, and a matrixed L+R/L-R side chain. Is this the function that the so called "matrix processors" perform? A while back I commented on the very wide stereo spread the KBAL air checks had when I played them on my Wife's computer, as mine is too old for playing MP3s. The computer has two built-in speakers to the left and right below the monitor, and when listening the stereo sound stage spread to each side of the computer a further distance about equal the separation between the two speakers. I found this effect very unusual and wondered how it was done? I think I figured it out when I was playing with my Wife's computer a couple of nights ago. I had originally assumed it was some processing KBAL had done, but I discovered that my Wife's computer includes a processing system called "SRS" which I think is responsible for the wide sound stage extending way beyond the boundaries of the computer. Does anyone know anything about this process and how it works? I assume it has nothing to do with the "SRS" system in my car which I think stands for "Supplemental Restraint System", commonly called "air bags". John From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Dec 08 18:49:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18808 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 02:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 02:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 02:49:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 02:49:32 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8190 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 01:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 01:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 01:33:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 01:33:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 01:33:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Survival Kit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004701c3b948$66dc3fc0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1893 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.191 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Dec 2003 02:49:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Truthfully, I don't know for sure, but I don't think that kind of > transaction is very common. Unless this manufacturer wants to get into its > own semiconductor manufacturing, it's not too likely. Too bad Alfredo isn't > here to comment since he's had some time in the industry and could fill in > anything I might miss. From what I remember reading about it, there are > various masks and such for making any chip, similar to what would be used > for masking a circuit board, though obviously much smaller. As an educated > guess I'd say that any blank die that can hold the number of required > semiconductors and fit onto a 24 pin chip would work. Here's a rough outline of how it works, IC's are not built on individual dies, rather a large wafer, 100 mm, 150 mm, 200 mm, or 300 mm in diameter is used to process a large number of circuit at the same time. After the wafers have been processed they are scribed and broken up into the individual dies with a special machine. I believe there are several ways of imprinting the various circuit layers of the IC onto the large wafer, one of them being the masks you mention. As I understand it the masks don't last forever and must be replaced from time to time. This is done with a computer version of the mask data which is kept in a computer file. The data for producing the ICs would be available in a computer file, but if the masks were worn out, or destroyed when the IC went out of production, someone wanting to commission a run of chips would have to pay for making new masks in addition to the cost of processing of the wafers. Another potential problem would occur if the original process was no longer available, then there would be added expense for re engineering the masks to make use of a currently available process. John From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Dec 08 19:02:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94635 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 03:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 03:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.7) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 03:01:55 -0000 Received: from logs-mtc-td.proxy.aol.com (logs-mtc-td.proxy.aol.com [64.12.104.135]) by rly-ip03.mx.aol.com (v95.1) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-43fd5271e16a; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:36:30 1900 Received: from ibm (ACA2DCC4.ipt.aol.com [172.162.220.196]) by logs-mtc-td.proxy.aol.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB91XAi6521945 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 01:33:11 GMT Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 01:33:10 GMT Message-ID: <000001c3bdf4$4e9a22a0$c4dca2ac@aoldsl.net> To: Subject: DX Was: Re: WBZ: Separating the Men from the Boys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Apparently-From: DodgeRamTrucker@aol.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.104.135 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.138.7 From: "Possum Hunter" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jim Burgan wrote on 12/8/03 7:45: >once worked at a 1,000 watt non-directional AM station in Cocoa Florida an= d on Christmas Day 1975 I got a call from our GM who was home for Christmas= and hear me in Mid-Town-Manhattan at 12 noon. The best DX I have ever seen was back in 1989 when I was at WFIS 1600, we g= ot a reception report from a guy in Happy Camp, CA. He heard us on 25 Watts= night power! Not only did I send his QSL card, I sent him some key chains, bumper sticke= rs, T-Shirt, and a bunch of other crap I snagged out of the promotions depa= rtment...I thought he deserved it! Kevin Remember: Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get y= ou. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 19:23:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81661 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 03:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 03:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 03:23:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 03:23:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 03:23:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "Matrix Processors" and other matters Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2416 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Could someone explain precisely what the various "matrix > processors" that are commonly mentioned here do, and I suspect they > are not all the same? John, I have the manual for the CRL SMP-950 AM Stereo Matrix Processor and it has a section explaining the ins and outs of matrix processing, including how it compares to discrete (L/R) processing and how it is modified for AM Stereo use. If you like, I can photocopy the relevant pages and mail them to you. Contact me privately at kevtronics @ yahoo.com to arrange the details. But in short, matrix processing is designed to take advantage of AM Stereo's ability to control the levels of L+R and L-R modulation independently of each other. The main benefit is that there is a reduced loss of loudness for mono listeners during programming that contains heavy stereo separation -- the extreme of which would be single-channel audio. One slight catch is that during instances of single-channel audio, negative modulation must be limited to -75% (there is no restriction on *positive* modulation, however). This is not a inherent requirement of the system, per se, but Motorola found that doing so reduces distortion on first-generation C-Quam decoders, and I believe the FCC ultimately incorporated this recommendation into the official AM Stereo regulations. It is also not required for the other systems (Kahn, Harris, Magnavox), but of course these days that is a moot point. The "fringe benefit" of matrix processing is that for the AM Stereo listener, it tends to expand the stereo image of the audio, making the separation more distinct and the sound platform more spacious -- just as you noted with the recordings of KABL (not *KBAL*). And as for "SRS" ("Sound Retreival System"), I don't know the details of that system, but to my ears, it sounds like one of the various "stereo expanders", which either greatly amplifies the L-R component in order to achieve an expanded sound-stage, or simply puts the audio out-of-phase, which can often yield a similar effect (but sounds terribly annoying if you happen to be exactly between the two speakers, or are using headphones). Other names of this effect include "Stereoplex", "Stereo Wide", "IMX Stereo Expander", and "Simulated Surround Sound". Here's an explanation of SRS that came up in a Google search: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21451%40well.sf.ca.us From madprof@ix.netcom.com Mon Dec 08 19:28:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: madprof@ix.netcom.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73409 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 03:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 03:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO barry.mail.mindspring.net) (207.69.200.25) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 03:28:44 -0000 Received: from 1cust67.tnt3.bos10.da.uu.net ([65.227.252.67] helo=p133) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ATYYF-00035F-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:28:43 -0500 Message-ID: <012a01c3be04$a0e7d380$43fce341@p133> To: References: <001701c3bdfe$c38df870$6401a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: WOWO history Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:29:16 -0500 Organization: SuthTron MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.69.200.25 From: "madprof" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=363945 X-Yahoo-Profile: madprofrfs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you so very much for the explanation of WOWO's "death" (as I call it). I used to listen to it as a kid in the 60-70's from New Lebanon, NY (east of Albany), and used it as a DX beacon to DX conditions. Always wondered why in bloody blue hell it dropped night power.. -Madprof [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 20:43:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7769 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 04:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 04:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 04:43:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 04:43:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 04:43:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031209020616.1910.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 919 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- bta_50g wrote: > > Then how do you explain the fact that these > > successful formats ratings > > wise are constantly being killed off? > > Because the corporate ninnies ( I most likely spelled > that wrong) and the sales children haven't a clue as > to how REALLY sell and be a good radio salesperson. They would rather have the work done for them- They would rather be "consulted". If I were to say how I feel about marketing consultants, I surely would be reprimanded for foul language, so I won't. And you spelled "ninnies" correctly. (Keep in mind this is how the TV series "WKRP" originally ended-- Marketing consultants were responsible for the station going to "canned" music, and the station's office was shut down. That was 1981. That could easily reflect today's radio.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 20:49:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95533 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 04:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 04:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 04:49:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 04:49:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 04:49:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM getting creative Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004a01c3bdfa$48d38040$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 240 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > RBR's Morning E-Paper > KCUV-AM Denver going back to the old days of FM I caqn see this being the direction the AM band will go, eventually. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 21:00:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80988 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 05:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 05:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 05:00:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 05:00:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 04:59:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "Matrix Processors" and other matters Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1318 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > "Matrix Processors" receive frequent mention here in this group, in a > context that indicates everyone believes they perform some wonderful > function. Could someone explain precisely what the various "matrix > processors" that are commonly mentioned here do, and I suspect they > are not all the same? > > I can see two uses for so called "matrix processors", the first would > be to dynamically modify the ratio of "L+R" to "L-R", although I am > not sure why you would want to do that? > > The second use, which would be important in AM stereo, would be as an > AM stereo limiter that would maximize the modulation levels under all > conditions of modulation, monophonic, Left only, Right only, etc., > while complying with the FCC AM stereo modulation rules. It would > seem to me that this function would not actually require that the > audio path be matrixed in the processor, but only that the limiter > control signal be generated as a function of both a straight left/ > right side chain, and a matrixed L+R/L-R side chain. Is this the > function that the so called "matrix processors" perform? Primarily the latter, but actually a combination of the two, along with L-R compression and EQ. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bratina501@msn.com Mon Dec 08 21:01:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97232 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 05:01:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 05:01:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 05:01:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 05:01:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 05:01:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1479 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.56 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > The best antenna you can get for a walkman is a tuned loop antenna. > It doesn't have a wired connection to the radio, but rather is placed > next to the radio and is inductively coupled with the walkman's > built-in ferrite bar antenna. You tune the walkman to the desired > frequency, and then adjust the tuning and position of the loop > antenna for best reception. > > Available models of tuned loop antennas include the Select-A-Tenna > (good but expensive), the Terk AM Advantage (also very good, and more > moderately priced), and I believe Radio Shack also has a model which > is the cheapest (normally under $30) and works almost as well. Yes Radio Shack has one which I personaly use to get AM stereo stations from several cities far away from me and it does work. The Terk antenna you mentioned only covers 530 to 1600 KHz. However the Radio Shack antenna covers 530 to 1710 KHz the full tuning range of the SRF-42 which I have used it with. When using the antenna a decrease in stereo separation will occur. to increase the separation adjust the 3.6 MHz component with the radio and the antenna tuned to an AM stereo station until you get the widest separation possible. > > > > > > Not FM, Not XM< but AM Stereo! The best separation available on > the broadcast band! > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 21:22:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7435 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 05:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 05:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 05:22:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 05:22:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 05:22:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "Matrix Processors" and other matters Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1607 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > One slight catch is that during instances of single-channel audio, > negative modulation must be limited to -75% (there is no restriction > on *positive* modulation, however). This is not a inherent > requirement of the system, per se, but Motorola found that doing so > reduces distortion on first-generation C-Quam decoders, and I believe > the FCC ultimately incorporated this recommendation into the official > AM Stereo regulations. It is also not required for the other systems > (Kahn, Harris, Magnavox), but of course these days that is a moot > point. This doesn't sound correct -at all-. From what I have read, there is a limit of positive modulation of 75% per component (L+R and L-R components), which when added together is 150%, or greater than the 125% maximum allowable positive modulation. The L-R component is rarely modulated greater than the L+R component, thus the out-of-phase incidence isn't common. Keep in mind a full R or L is with L+R and L-R at full modulation. The real winner is with mono audio, which can be much quieter than full stereo, if allowed only 50% or 65% modulation, therefore for some allowance, it's given 75%. This is why AM stereo needs a dedicated matrix processor, to maintain a balanced audio between L+R and L-R, and to keep mono audio from getting muddled in the process. It's also why AM stereo has a perceived greater stereo separation. (I'm sure there are a bunch here who will correct what I said, and I can live with that.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomjacobsen@charter.net Mon Dec 08 21:27:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomjacobsen@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37912 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 05:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 05:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.220) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 05:26:21 -0000 Received: from 209.187.142.234 ([209.187.142.234]) by mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB95PAlK044505 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:25:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tomjacobsen@charter.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 209.187.142.234 (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA08404 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:25:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:25:09 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.225.28.220 From: Tom Jacobsen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115104491 X-Yahoo-Profile: jacobst > Available models of tuned loop antennas include the Select-A-Tenna > (good but expensive), the Terk AM Advantage (also very good, and more > moderately priced), and I believe Radio Shack also has a model which > is the cheapest (normally under $30) and works almost as well. > If you like to tinker, you can consider making your own. See: http://www.mindspring.com/~loop_antenna have fun. My brother built one and does AM DX with a 1980s car stereo (with AMS) that he modified to accept a better coax connector. His loop has a preamp in addition to the tuning capacator. He says it works great. Another tip he gives is to run the radio "off the grid" (no AC supply), because the 110 VAC is a big source of noise. Have fun.. -Tom From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 21:35:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89957 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 05:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 05:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 05:35:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20031209053547.77545.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.32] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:35:47 PST Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:35:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.38 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Are these ariels better than a fence to recieve AM? A few on ebay at times but the ones I seen are US only but as I live out of the US they arnt available out of there:-( --- Tom Jacobsen wrote: > > > Available models of tuned loop antennas include > the Select-A-Tenna > > (good but expensive), the Terk AM Advantage (also > very good, and more > > moderately priced), and I believe Radio Shack also > has a model which > > is the cheapest (normally under $30) and works > almost as well. > > > > If you like to tinker, you can consider making your > own. > > See: > > http://www.mindspring.com/~loop_antenna > > have fun. My brother built one and does AM DX with > a 1980s car stereo > (with AMS) that he modified to accept a better coax > connector. His loop > has a preamp in addition to the tuning capacator. > He says it works > great. Another tip he gives is to run the radio > "off the grid" (no AC > supply), because the 110 VAC is a big source of > noise. > > Have fun.. > > -Tom > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 21:49:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20020 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 05:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 05:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 05:49:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20031209054938.83241.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:49:38 PST Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:49:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: WOWO's Woes To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.72 From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio In the early 80's WOWO was a swingin top-rated music-formated 50KW station on 1190 broadcasting in Magnavox AM Stereo. I could hear them like a local in Northern Ohio with their 50,000 watts, and in stereo on an SRF-A100. Enter a little station at 1190 in the NYC Metro Area that would love to transmit more power than they would ever deserve to have for their crappy format and few listeners. "Solution" - NYC owner buys WOWO and degrades it to the 9KW-10KW range on a very directional antenna at night and cranks the power at their NYC station. Now, I can't even hear WOWO 85 Miles away at night (east). To add insult to injury, during the day they (WOWO) get splattered terribly by IBOC hiss from 1200 out of Detroit and are almost unlistenable. WOWO is a waste of electrons now. The music's gone. The stereo's gone. Their great coverage is gone. Their listeners East of the Indiana state line are gone due to the NYC power increase. MONEY DOESN'T TALK - IT SCREAMS...and the FCC could give a toot, as they continue to ignore the outcry about the band-destroying AM IBOC/HD Radio. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Dec 08 22:29:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73972 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 06:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 06:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 06:29:15 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031209062914.SXKQ28419.fed1mtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 01:29:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:30:10 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <235B205C-2A11-11D8-9455-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.242 From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Radio Shack cleared those out at $9.99 earlier this year. Unless they have a new model. On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 09:01 PM, bratina501 wrote: > > Yes Radio Shack has one which I personaly use to get AM stereo > stations from several cities far away from me and it does work. > The Terk antenna you mentioned only covers 530 to 1600 KHz. However > the Radio Shack antenna covers 530 to 1710 KHz the full tuning range > of the SRF-42 which I have used it with. When using the antenna a > decrease in stereo separation will occur. to increase the separation > adjust the 3.6 MHz component with the radio and the antenna tuned to > an AM stereo station until you get the widest separation possible. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Dec 08 22:53:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74882 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 06:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 06:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 06:53:42 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.134] (d102-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.134]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hB96rgA82221 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:53:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:53:28 -0700 Subject: Consultants To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1070931011.3282.45842.m16@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Marketing consultants are the demon spawn of Satan. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ You have a higher opinion of them than I do. :) Kevin Mesa, AZ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 23:03:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36911 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 07:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 07:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 07:03:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 07:03:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 07:03:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Consultants Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 550 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kevin, Mesa, AZ" wrote: > > Marketing consultants are the demon spawn of Satan. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > You have a higher opinion of them than I do. :) Like I said in a later post, my opinion is not fit to post here, due to foul language. The above IS tame, compared to how I REALLY feel. Marketing consultants are a very sore spot with me, and it's one of the things that killed AM radio, and killing radio in general un the US. They disgust me quite thoroughly. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 00:14:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66862 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 08:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 08:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 08:14:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 08:14:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:14:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: loop antennas Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1727 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The Terk antenna you mentioned only covers 530 to 1600 KHz. Erm... my Terk AM Advantage (model "AM-1000", I believe) has dial markings up to 1710 kHz, and it will indeed tune up to that high, in addition to quite a bit below 530 kHz, in case you are ever trying to listen to something down there (such as 520 kHz, which a whole lot of AM radios can receive, and is a valid frequency for low-power Part-15 transmissions). > When using the antenna a decrease in stereo separation will occur. Never really noticed that with my Terk. When tuned to the "center" of a frequency, it tends to reduce the treble response a bit, but stereo separation is not noticeably degraded, at least to my ears. I think the Radio Shack loop may have a narrower bandwidth than the Terk, though, in which case it would have a greater overall affect upon the received audio fidelity, both for AM mono and AM Stereo stations. I'd still like to try a Select-A-Tenna, too, but unless it works a *lot* better than the Terk, I know it wouldn't be my favorite, because with the Terk's "open-loop" design, you can actually place a small walkman-type radio right *inside* the loop -- and its flat base is easier to place on top of a small radio. The S-A-T's closed-loop design with two supporting "feet" is certainly less convenient in that regard. There's also the "Super Select-A-Tenna", which uses the old 1930s techique of regeneration to help amplify the incoming signal, but it brings you up to a total of FOUR knobs to twist when tuning in a station -- the receiver's tuning knob, and three more knobs on the Super Select-A-Tenna itself. And even at a price of $199.95 (in the C.Crane catalog), it still looks homemade! From dav259@csiro.au Tue Dec 09 00:26:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21529 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 08:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 08:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 08:26:21 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB98QIJY027631 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:26:19 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:26:18 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Consultants In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > > You have a higher opinion of them than I do. :) > > Like I said in a later post, my opinion is not fit to post here, due > to foul language. The above IS tame, compared to how I REALLY feel. > > Marketing consultants are a very sore spot with me, and it's one of > the things that killed AM radio, and killing radio in general un the > US. They disgust me quite thoroughly. And I am unanimous in this! (as Mrs Slocombe was oft to say in Are You Being Served?) [Hi UK Dave ... you've gone quiet.] From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Dec 09 00:32:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10179 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 08:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 08:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 08:32:13 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.182]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 03:37:04 -0500 Message-ID: <002501c3be2e$c05d0300$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <004a01c3bdfa$48d38040$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM getting creative Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 03:30:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Ah yes- I remember well in the late 60's, early 70's- WHCN in Hartford was "the" free-form station to listen to at night. (WPLR, too) This was the time when AM and FM coexisted peacefully, and each had loyal listeners. During the daytime, it was WPOP, WDRC, and WTIC AM. Ratings were fine, and people listened. We never abandoned AM radio. It abandoned us. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:15 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM getting creative From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 00:47:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27964 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 08:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 08:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 08:47:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 08:47:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:47:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM getting creative Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c3be2e$c05d0300$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 888 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Ah yes- I remember well in the late 60's, early 70's- WHCN in Hartford was > "the" free-form station to listen to at night. (WPLR, too) This was the time > when AM and FM coexisted peacefully, and each had loyal listeners. During > the daytime, it was WPOP, WDRC, and WTIC AM. > Ratings were fine, and people listened. We never abandoned AM radio. It > abandoned us. This is certainly quite true-- Even while FM superceded AM after 1978, AM remained incredibly strong and viable, until the fall of the late '80s. AM did abandon us, the listeners. They had to, with the pressure from the likes of marketing consultants, the RIAA, and even the FCC. AM never had a chance. Now FM is taking a pummelling. I only wish there was a forum like this 20 years ago- It might have meant something. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 00:49:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23622 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 08:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 08:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 08:49:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 08:49:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:48:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM getting creative Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 249 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > AM did abandon us, the listeners. They had to, with the pressure from > the likes of marketing consultants, the RIAA, and even the FCC. And the NAB. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Dec 09 07:11:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66705 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 15:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 15:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 15:11:33 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hB9FBWSR032479 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:11:32 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002201c3be66$bb4133e0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo commercial Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:11:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ wrote: > Because those "old coots", who are increasing in numbers as the "baby > boomers" age, have money. Yes, the baby boomers do have more disposable income, as do today's senior citicens but the problem is, nobody buying radio advertising cares about them. They know the boomers (and older generatrions) are much less likely to be swayed in their buying decisions by advertising. They know that John likes Coke and ain't gonna switch to Pepsi based on a clerver advertising campaign. The know Mr & Mrs. Wackenheimer have been buying Buicks from their favorite Buick dealer forever and no advertising is goign to get them buy a Toyota or Ford. Older demos are much less impulsive and are much less likely to be swayed by advetising. Just listen to the ads on Paul Harvery every day... Those are the kinds of products that target older demos (calicum suppliments, adjustable mattresses and the Bose WaveRadio). I mentioned this earlier, but Indianapolis had a really great Adult Styandards stations on AM. It was staffed with some of the best jocks from Indianapolis' radio past and they were personality oriented and sounded great... in C-Quam Stereo. They regularly pulled down a 2 to 3 share, but Mystar (the company who owns it) couldn't sell advertising to anyone! A couple of years ago they flipped it to News/Talk (3rd string talkers like Bortz, Beck, Hannity and Browning) and they have never received higher than a .9 share, yet they make more money because they are able to sell their product because their demos are better and it is much cheaper to run syndicated programming than to pay a staff. It was a corporate black hole that had to be stopped and they did. The reason that Beautiful/EX and Adult Standard stations that really work are in Florida where the retirement numbers are so high that advertisers will take a chance. Even thought I'd bet that any Adult Standards stations (such as WGUL in Tampa, pulling a 3.8 share) are billing less than most stations with half their audience. It must be a labor of love, not about the money. From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Dec 09 07:22:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98757 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 15:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 15:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 15:22:35 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hB9FMY5o034287 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:22:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004d01c3be68$45e704b0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <000001c3bdf4$4e9a22a0$c4dca2ac@aoldsl.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} DX Was: Re: WBZ: Separating the Men from the Boys Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:22:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > The best DX I have ever seen was back in 1989 when I was at WFIS 1600, we got a reception report from a guy in Happy Camp, CA. He heard us on 25 Watts night power! That is incredible but not all that unusual...Especially that high in the band. Before they started licensing AM stations in the expanded band, people all over the US heard Dallas/Ft Worth airport's 2 TIS stations on 1630 and 1680. I listened to them nightly. They were American Airlines departures (1630kHz) and arrivals (1680kHz). They broadcast from a short antenna with 65 watts but could be heard all over American until they started licensing the band. From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Dec 09 07:54:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43333 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 15:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 15:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.120) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 15:54:02 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-012scfairp0232.dialsprint.net ([63.189.176.232] helo=earthlink.net) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ATkBV-0006Hu-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 07:54:02 -0800 Message-ID: <3FD5F021.70F4648B@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 10:54:09 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO's Woes References: <20031209054938.83241.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.120 From: Dick W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I remember years ago, when I was stationed at Ft. Gordon, GA (near Augusta), we couldn't get the Augusta top-40 station at night, but WOWO came in like a champ. It was a great station. It is truly a tragedy that money is all that counts anymore. Dick W. "John P." wrote: > In the early 80's WOWO was a swingin top-rated music-formated 50KW station on > 1190 broadcasting in Magnavox AM Stereo. I could hear them like a local in > Northern Ohio with their 50,000 watts, and in stereo on an SRF-A100. > Enter a little station at 1190 in the NYC Metro Area that would love to > transmit more power than they would ever deserve to have for their crappy > format and few listeners. > "Solution" - NYC owner buys WOWO and degrades it to the 9KW-10KW range on a > very directional antenna at night and cranks the power at their NYC station. > Now, I can't even hear WOWO 85 Miles away at night (east). > To add insult to injury, during the day they (WOWO) get splattered terribly by > IBOC hiss from 1200 out of Detroit and are almost unlistenable. > > WOWO is a waste of electrons now. The music's gone. The stereo's gone. Their > great coverage is gone. Their listeners East of the Indiana state line are > gone due to the NYC power increase. > > MONEY DOESN'T TALK - IT SCREAMS...and the FCC could give a toot, as they > continue to ignore the outcry about the band-destroying AM IBOC/HD Radio. > From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Dec 09 08:22:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78609 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 16:22:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 16:22:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 16:22:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:22:18 -0800 Received: from 171.75.128.153 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:22:18 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WOWO history Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:22:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2003 16:22:18.0817 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DB78310:01C3BE70] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.10 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [171.75.128.153] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Yes, thanks for the report on the WOWO problem. I too used WOWO as a DX indicator, and listened to it regularly in the 60's from all over the southeastern United States. Michael Upton >From: "madprof" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Thank you so very much for the explanation of WOWO's "death" >(as I call it). I used to listen to it as a kid in the 60-70's from >New Lebanon, NY (east of Albany), and used it as a DX beacon >to DX conditions. >Always wondered why in bloody blue hell it dropped night power.. > >-Madprof > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 08:53:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84964 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 16:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 16:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 16:53:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 16:53:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:53:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DX Was: Re: WBZ: Separating the Men from the Boys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004d01c3be68$45e704b0$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1777 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Before they started licensing AM stations in the expanded band, > people all over the US heard Dallas/Ft Worth airport's 2 TIS > stations on 1630 and 1680. I listened to them nightly. They were > American Airlines departures (1630kHz) and arrivals (1680kHz). They > broadcast from a short antenna with 65 watts but could be heard all > over American until they started licensing the band. I don't know if it's something special about my Sony SRF-A300 radio,=20 but every single night, I can hear the Cuban "Radio Reloj" stations on 570 and 950 kHz, coming from over 1300 miles away and audible=20 underneath local stations on these frequencies. Even if I can't hear=20 Reloj's announcers, I can always hear their distinctive beep and Morse=20 code "RR" at the top of every minute. Even when the solar flares were killing skywave DX a few months ago, I could still hear Radio Reloj every night! They reportedly are using=20 old Czech-built 120,000-watt transmitters. But whatever they use,=20 Reloj's signal just booms right up the East Coast. BTW, here is a list of all the Radio Reloj stations in Cuba, as of=20 1999: kHz - Location 570 Santa Clara (ciudad), Villa Clara 610 Trinidad, Sancti Sp=EDritus 760 Caney de las Mercedes, Granma 790 Pinar del R=EDo (ciudad)=20 830 Holgu=EDn (ciudad) 850 Nueva Gerona, Isla de la Juventud 860 Baracoa, Guant=E1namo 870 Sancti Sp=EDritus (ciudad) 910 Bolondron, Matanzas 930 Cienfuegos (ciudad) 930 Ciego de Avila (ciudad) 930 La Jaiba, Matanzas 930 Santiago de Cuba (ciudad) 940 Central Espa=F1a Republicana, Matanzas 940 Mayar=ED Arriba, Holgu=EDn 950 Ciudad de la Habana 960 Guant=E1namo (ciudad) 1010 Jobabo, Las Tunas 1270 Camag=FCey (ciudad) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 08:59:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82119 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 16:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 16:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 16:59:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 16:58:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:58:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo matrix processing Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 579 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics OK guys, I dusted off my scanner and have posted these pages from the CRL SMP-950 AM Stereo Matrix Processor manual: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/PAGE1.GIF ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/PAGE2.GIF ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/PAGE3.GIF ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/PAGE4.GIF ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/PAGE5.GIF ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/SGLCH1.GIF ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/SGLCH2.GIF Hopefully that should explain some of the mystery behind AM Stereo matrix processing -- or at least CRL's version of it, circa 1989. From w6yn@juno.com Tue Dec 09 09:34:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14485 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 17:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 17:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 17:33:35 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCXvGC36+U73lDGGUzfpzGWA=">; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:33:03 PST Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JGYPUGWU; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:33:03 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:05:29 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: <20031209.093207.592.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-23 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn What is the RS model number for the antenna? Don On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:30:10 -0800 Richard Wagoner writes: > Radio Shack cleared those out at $9.99 earlier this year. Unless they > > have a new model. > > On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 09:01 PM, bratina501 wrote: > > > Yes Radio Shack has one which I personaly use to get AM stereo > > stations from several cities far away from me and it does work. > > The Terk antenna you mentioned only covers 530 to 1600 KHz. > However > > the Radio Shack antenna covers 530 to 1710 KHz the full tuning > range > > of the SRF-42 which I have used it with. When using the antenna a > > decrease in stereo separation will occur. to increase the > separation > > adjust the 3.6 MHz component with the radio and the antenna tuned > to > > an AM stereo station until you get the widest separation > possible. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 13:17:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73714 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 21:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 21:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 21:17:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 21:16:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:16:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1679 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key There's another one I know of that I haven't made yet (I want to make one) but I hear it's good... http://www.mindspring.com/~loop_antenna/ He claims to get stations from as far as 1,000 miles away in the daytime using his 4-foot loop antenna. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Now dad will be more then willing to construct the antenna needed > > for better DXing and make the walkman in to a DX beast, but how > > would I hook an antenna up to a walkman like that? > > The best antenna you can get for a walkman is a tuned loop antenna. > It doesn't have a wired connection to the radio, but rather is placed > next to the radio and is inductively coupled with the walkman's > built-in ferrite bar antenna. You tune the walkman to the desired > frequency, and then adjust the tuning and position of the loop > antenna for best reception. > > Available models of tuned loop antennas include the Select-A-Tenna > (good but expensive), the Terk AM Advantage (also very good, and more > moderately priced), and I believe Radio Shack also has a model which > is the cheapest (normally under $30) and works almost as well. > > I use the Terk AM Advantage myself and it works great. I bought it > at an electronics store called "The Wiz" for about $60, but that > chain is now out of business and I don't know if any of the other > stores carry it. You could always mail-order it, or you can probably > find one on eBay. > > > > > > Not FM, Not XM< but AM Stereo! The best separation available on > the broadcast band! > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From BKGardner99@comcast.net Tue Dec 09 14:24:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: BKGardner99@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68984 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 22:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 22:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 22:24:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 22:24:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:24:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOWO's Woes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031209054938.83241.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2044 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "got2bfunky99" X-Originating-IP: 164.156.167.238 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168033021 X-Yahoo-Profile: got2bfunky99 I agree with your point about how money and greed is destroying the future of radio. However, the change in the 1190 signal allocation has benefitted me personally as I am one of the few listeners that picks up the occasional skywave of the New York signal which is more to my personal taste than today's WOWO. I too miss the glory days of pop music on WOWO when I listened in the 70's, but I can appreciate your distress over not being able to enjoy the signal clearly within your listening area. For me, my local channels (Harrisburg PA) are so overrun with automation and syndication that I have to rely on skywave at night to get anything interesting on the radio. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > In the early 80's WOWO was a swingin top-rated music-formated 50KW station on > 1190 broadcasting in Magnavox AM Stereo. I could hear them like a local in > Northern Ohio with their 50,000 watts, and in stereo on an SRF- A100. > Enter a little station at 1190 in the NYC Metro Area that would love to > transmit more power than they would ever deserve to have for their crappy > format and few listeners. > "Solution" - NYC owner buys WOWO and degrades it to the 9KW-10KW range on a > very directional antenna at night and cranks the power at their NYC station. > Now, I can't even hear WOWO 85 Miles away at night (east). > To add insult to injury, during the day they (WOWO) get splattered terribly by > IBOC hiss from 1200 out of Detroit and are almost unlistenable. > > WOWO is a waste of electrons now. The music's gone. The stereo's gone. Their > great coverage is gone. Their listeners East of the Indiana state line are > gone due to the NYC power increase. > > MONEY DOESN'T TALK - IT SCREAMS...and the FCC could give a toot, as they > continue to ignore the outcry about the band-destroying AM IBOC/HD Radio. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 15:45:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2303 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 23:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 23:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 23:45:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 23:45:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:45:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: McKay Dymek Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 221 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Coffee Shop Times" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Anybody ever converted a McKay Dymek digital AM receiver to AM Stereo? How much room is there inside that box? Here's one on eBay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3063555181&category=1502 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 16:02:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53481 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 00:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 00:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12825.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.206) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 00:02:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20031210000207.33217.qmail@web12825.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.73.21] by web12825.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:02:07 PST Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:02:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fwd: alfedo lite To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.174.206 From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Jim is asking about an RF amplifier for the "Alfredo Lite" transmitter to boost its power. I have no experience with that, but if someone here does, then please feel free to respond. --- JimSmith wrote: > From: "JimSmith" > To: "kevin t." > CC: "Jim Smith" > Subject: alfedo lite > Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:29:03 -0800 > > Hi Kevin I heard for Scott T that ypu may have a bord that will boost > the alfedo lite to a watt or so . I would like to know . Thanks Jim S > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From bratina501@msn.com Tue Dec 09 16:13:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35064 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 00:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 00:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 00:13:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 00:13:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:13:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <235B205C-2A11-11D8-9455-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 595 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.56 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Radio Shack cleared those out at $9.99 earlier this year. Unless they > have a new model. > No Radio Shack does not have a new model I have one of the ones that were cleared out. I don't think Radio Shack will make a new one they have gotten out of most radio related things including amateur radio and are selling cell phones, computers, and satelite TV also electronic toys they are still selling electronic components however. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From spt87a@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 16:56:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spt87a@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86601 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 00:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 00:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 00:56:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 00:56:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:56:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WBZ / WINS audiofile Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c3bdfe$c38df870$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2685 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "spt87a" X-Originating-IP: 204.110.135.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=160273779 X-Yahoo-Profile: spt87a --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > Michael Upton > > I would like to know about the WOWO scenario (rhyming unintentional). > > WCBS, WINS, WFNN, WABC etc, so they went out and purchased WOWO in Fort > Wayne from Westinghouse (who was selling off many of their stations as they Actually, Westinghouse had sold the station several years earlier to Price Communications. Price was also famous for putting most of the nails in the coffin at WWKB in Buffalo by switching from live/local to all syndicated (from 10th in the market to the bottom instantly). KB has yet to recover from that (over 15 years later). > The bottom line is, WOWO, who once served the entire state of Indiana, now WOWO actually was also very big in Ohio day and night and some other surrounding states. At one time WOWO was the cornerstone of Westinghouses national ad sales as it was the number one rated station in more counties (over 100 I believe) than any other station in the country. It seems that when Price sold the station they just made a deal with Inner City - didn't take any other bids. They knew what Inner City had in mind. You think some of the current media companies were bad - Price easily tops the list as the worst of all time. Everything they owned was destoyed. WOWO was running a pretty successful full service A/C format 24 hours a day (in C-Quam) and had an all request show overnight that got calls from all over the eastern US (at least half the calls every hour were from the skywave area.) A group was formed on the fledgling internet (I think this was back in 1992) and the FCC actually had 150+ letters filed protesting the sale to Inner City and the nighttime power/pattern change. The sale was ruled to be in the public interest (which public - find another station sale that generated 150 LETTERS (not email)). I was one of the letter writers and that number was mentioned in a response sent by the FCC. One other historic footnote - I was in their long time studio location about a week or two before they finished moving out to a new consolidated group home (Inner City only kept that station until all the paper work to neuter it was done - they then promptly sold it another group that was building a cluster in town). Remember the the world famous WOWO Fire Escape? I saw it. Anyway, the poor recepionist (crying since she was losing her job after more than 30 years of working for the station) managed to get Bob Chase (sports guy) to give me a quick tour. Ron Gregory was spinning toons on afternoon drive. It was a sad farewell to the soon to be former- giant. - Scott From dac177@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 17:32:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dac177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87571 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 01:32:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 01:32:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40808.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.185) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 01:32:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20031210013234.48153.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.193.177.184] by web40808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 17:32:34 PST Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:32:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Inactive AMS circuits in AIWA? To: AMSTERO FORUM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.78.185 From: David Caroccio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159003839 X-Yahoo-Profile: dac177 I own an AIWA walkman, model #HSTX-676. Nowhere on the unit, the packaging, or the manual does it indicate AMS. Yet when I listen to it, if I get near a TV, heavy household wiring, or under haevy powerlines, I seem to get the static with a clear degree of "Stereo". Are my ears shot, or is it possible that this unit has AMS circiutry that the company did not activate? If these circiuts are installed, can someone please tell me how to 'turn them on'? Thanks, DAC __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 17:54:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17946 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 01:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 01:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 01:54:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 01:54:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:54:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: alfedo lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031210000207.33217.qmail@web12825.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 825 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Jim is asking about an RF amplifier for the "Alfredo Lite" transmitter to > boost its power. I have no experience with that, but if someone here does, > then please feel free to respond. > > --- JimSmith wrote: > > From: "JimSmith" > > To: "kevin t." > > CC: "Jim Smith" > > Subject: alfedo lite > > Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:29:03 -0800 > > > > Hi Kevin I heard for Scott T that ypu may have a bord that will boost > > the alfedo lite to a watt or so . I would like to know . Thanks Jim S Here you go- One watt: http://tinyurl.com/yiu8 Five watt: http://tinyurl.com/yiur And just for safe measure, an antenna tuner: http://tinyurl.com/yiv6 Good luck! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dac177@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 18:37:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dac177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16449 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 02:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 02:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40807.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.184) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 02:37:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20031210023731.7584.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.195.38.119] by web40807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 18:37:31 PST Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:37:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in Los Angeles To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031206.191008.780.1.w6yn@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.78.184 From: David Caroccio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159003839 X-Yahoo-Profile: dac177 Don't forget about 1110 KDIS!!! --- W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Now this is strange: All of those stations are Talk > or News (Don't know > about KFOX) > > Don > > On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:32:04 -0000 "Amy Mousie" > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" > > > wrote: > > > What are all the AM stations in the Los Angeles > area that are > > > currently broadcasting in AM Stereo (including > those that are > > pilot > > > only) Which ones are full Stereo and which ones > are pilot only? > > > > 740 KBRT Avalon > > 790 KABC LA > > 870 KRLA LA > > 1070 KNX (pilot only, preparing for IBOC, used to > be stereo) > > 1659 KFOX Torrance(?) > > > > Look for my thread from early November, "Greetings > from Anaheim". > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From tomjacobsen@charter.net Tue Dec 09 20:08:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomjacobsen@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39611 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 04:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 04:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf14.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.214) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 04:08:11 -0000 Received: from 209.187.142.234 ([209.187.142.234]) by mxsf14.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBA46C3c027810 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:06:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tomjacobsen@charter.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 209.187.142.234 (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA10635 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:06:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:06:11 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.225.28.214 From: Tom Jacobsen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115104491 X-Yahoo-Profile: jacobst On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, bratina501 wrote: Maybe they should change their name "Junk Shack" :-) > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > Radio Shack cleared those out at $9.99 earlier this year. Unless > they > > have a new model. > > > No Radio Shack does not have a new model I have one of the ones that > were cleared out. I don't think Radio Shack will make a new one they > have gotten out of most radio related things including amateur radio > and are selling cell phones, computers, and satelite TV also > electronic toys they are still selling electronic components however. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Dec 09 21:33:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22973 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 05:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 05:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 05:33:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 05:33:32 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34080 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 05:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 05:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 05:28:09 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.10f.29d254ca (4592) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:28:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <10f.29d254ca.2d0808e3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:28:03 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Consultants To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.161 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Dec 2003 05:33:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 I strongly think marketing consultants (not to mention programming consultants) should be put out of business PERMANENTLY. The best way to do radio is to give the listener what they want. Forget the ad agencies and their desire for less affluent demographics. If I had programmed my own station, I'll go for the more affluent demographics and for local advertisers (taking the Southwest Airlines approach with air fares and applying them to advertising rates). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Dec 09 21:34:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2220 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 05:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 05:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 05:34:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 05:34:16 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80875 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 05:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 05:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 05:28:11 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.17a.239b2173 (4592) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:28:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <17a.239b2173.2d0808e2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:28:02 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOWO history To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.7 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Dec 2003 05:34:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 WOWO still has a strong signal in the St. Louis area at night when conditions are right...the only other station I can get on 1190 at night is CFSL Weyburn, SK. However, KRFT De Soto, MO (St. Louis' Fox Sports Radio outlet, owned by the same local company that owns ex-Stereo station KFNS 590) has applied for 22 watts at night on 1190 (even though their transmitter site is in East St. Louis, IL). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 From tomjacobsen@charter.net Tue Dec 09 22:02:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomjacobsen@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61255 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 06:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 06:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.206) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 06:02:15 -0000 Received: from 209.187.142.234 ([209.187.142.234]) by mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBA618Xw010003 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:01:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tomjacobsen@charter.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 209.187.142.234 (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA10828 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:01:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:01:08 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 In-Reply-To: <20031209053547.77545.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.225.28.206 From: Tom Jacobsen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115104491 X-Yahoo-Profile: jacobst On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: Build one from the link I gave you below... If you can find a tuning capacitor as described, it will knotch the frequency response of the antenna so that strong signals on the rest of the band will not pull down the AGC of the radio. Even without the capacitor, it can be better than your fence. My brother said that the total he spent on the parts is about $15. > Are these ariels better than a fence to recieve AM? > > A few on ebay at times but the ones I seen are US only > but as I live out of the US they arnt available out of > there:-( > > --- Tom Jacobsen wrote: > > > > > Available models of tuned loop antennas include > > the Select-A-Tenna > > > (good but expensive), the Terk AM Advantage (also > > very good, and more > > > moderately priced), and I believe Radio Shack also > > has a model which > > > is the cheapest (normally under $30) and works > > almost as well. > > > > > > > If you like to tinker, you can consider making your > > own. > > > > See: > > > > http://www.mindspring.com/~loop_antenna > > > > have fun. My brother built one and does AM DX with > > a 1980s car stereo > > (with AMS) that he modified to accept a better coax > > connector. His loop > > has a preamp in addition to the tuning capacator. > > He says it works > > great. Another tip he gives is to run the radio > > "off the grid" (no AC > > supply), because the 110 VAC is a big source of > > noise. > > > > Have fun.. > > > > -Tom > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Dec 10 05:43:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75051 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 13:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 13:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 13:43:11 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBADh9ic076248 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:43:10 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001801c3bf23$8d8107b0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOWO's Woes Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:43:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > "got2bfunky99" wrote: > I agree with your point about how money and greed is destroying the > future of radio. However, the change in the 1190 signal allocation > has benefitted me personally as I am one of the few listeners that > picks up the occasional skywave of the New York signal which is more > to my personal taste than today's WOWO. What is WLIB (1190 kHz, NY) doing format-wise these days? Originally they were ethnic talk, but I believe they have undergone several format changes since 1999 when the upgrade of their facilities occurred. I just checked the Arbitons and in the Fall Book, WLIB scored a 1.2 share, not horrible, and have had a steady increase over the past 4 books, but they are in 22nd place overall and 9th among AM stations. As I mentioned in my earlier post, it would have been possible for WLIB to have the same night-time coverage without crippling WOWO, but that's another story. From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Dec 10 06:02:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37245 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 14:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 14:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 14:02:46 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBAE2gWW080067 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:02:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004b01c3bf26$49ea2510$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <17a.239b2173.2d0808e2@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOWO history Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:02:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > WOWO still has a strong signal in the St. Louis area at night when conditions > are right...the only other station I can get on 1190 at night is CFSL > Weyburn, SK. However, KRFT De Soto, MO (St. Louis' Fox Sports Radio outlet, > owned by the same local company that owns ex-Stereo station KFNS 590) has > applied for 22 watts at night on 1190 (even though their transmitter site is > in East St. Louis, IL). You'd better log that one as a pretty good catch. WOWO has always had a null to the west protecting KEX in Portland Oregon (still a 50ks class A). Now the null is more pronounced and is only 9 kw instead of 50kw heading your direction. From wa2fnq@optonline.net Wed Dec 10 06:35:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58510 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 14:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 14:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 14:35:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 14:35:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:35:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOWO's Woes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031209054938.83241.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1865 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq At least they're still on the air. Here the result of what happened when the FCC allowed a little NYC station to buy a station on Long Island for the same reason: http://www.wackradio.com/wgli/index.htm I was chief engineer of this station for a while. I just love the FCC's "buy and die" policy. It's amazing. I also want to know how our local AM station in town serves the community with it's Korean format. The FCC is screwed up. And you winder why we have things like IBOC. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > In the early 80's WOWO was a swingin top-rated music-formated 50KW station on > 1190 broadcasting in Magnavox AM Stereo. I could hear them like a local in > Northern Ohio with their 50,000 watts, and in stereo on an SRF-A100. > Enter a little station at 1190 in the NYC Metro Area that would love to > transmit more power than they would ever deserve to have for their crappy > format and few listeners. > "Solution" - NYC owner buys WOWO and degrades it to the 9KW-10KW range on a > very directional antenna at night and cranks the power at their NYC station. > Now, I can't even hear WOWO 85 Miles away at night (east). > To add insult to injury, during the day they (WOWO) get splattered terribly by > IBOC hiss from 1200 out of Detroit and are almost unlistenable. > > WOWO is a waste of electrons now. The music's gone. The stereo's gone. Their > great coverage is gone. Their listeners East of the Indiana state line are > gone due to the NYC power increase. > > MONEY DOESN'T TALK - IT SCREAMS...and the FCC could give a toot, as they > continue to ignore the outcry about the band-destroying AM IBOC/HD Radio. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 08:13:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35736 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 16:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 16:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 16:11:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 16:11:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:11:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1190 WLIB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001801c3bf23$8d8107b0$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 847 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What is WLIB (1190 kHz, NY) doing format-wise these days? They're mostly Caribbean music with some talk shows from time to time. The music is the primary feature of the station, though, not like when 1600 WWRL played music in the mornings and evenings and then filled up the rest of the time with talk shows and infomercials. WLIB sounds very good, too -- even though they're not AM Stereo (and never have been), the audio is very crisp and clean. I'd say they're the best-sounding mono AM music station in the New York City area. I e-mailed once them asking about the possibility of upgrading to AM Stereo, but didn't get any response. So, I'm one of those who say that WLIB on 1190 kHz is a better station that WOWO has ever been in the past decade. I'd rather hear music on AM with live DJs, than syndicated talk shows any time. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Dec 10 09:17:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95929 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 17:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 17:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 17:12:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 17:11:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:11:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1190 WLIB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3263 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I've listened to WLIB here in PEI - pretty good signal, and yes, good audio with a refreshingly different format as opposed to the staple AM formats of oldies, C&W, or in the case of USA stations, talk. Crank up the stereo with the Heath PT-1 and have a Caribbean theme party! Nice mid winter treat. BTW, CHTN used to be on 1190. Their signal on 1190 was quite good to the east of Charlottetown, but very poor in many parts of PEI. The move to 720, complete with pattern change, changed all that. Now CHTN is heard throughout the Maritimes and is a pretty common and easy DX in the USA NE. CFCY on 630 used to have an excellant signal, but its transmitter site is old and tired, and its signal has lost much of its punch over the years. Like virtually every eastern Canadian station, it likely has a fairly new Nautel transmitter, but my hunch is that the ground radials have crumbled badly over the past nearly 40 years. Towers look old and narrow, and CFCY's flirtation with AM Stereo years ago was shortlived, an old narrow 3 tower array did not make for the best proving grounds for CQUAM. Given that MBS Radio wouldn't buy even a used transmitter for poor old CHNX, you can imagine they wouldn't spring for miles and miles of new copper for this old C&W flagship. On the other hand, NewCap owned, but MBS managed CHTN, with a relatively new site, 2 tower array and wideband sound, should be easy to convert to CQUAM. But MBS Radio and NewCap are no friends of CQUAM. Of course, people old enough to enjoy oldies are more likely to be able to afford more expensive Big 3 vehicles where its actually possible to get AM Stereo as a premium sound perk. But, beancounter broadcasters don't understand that one. It will be interested to see if the CRTC will order the breakup of the MBS Radio monopoly on PEI - of 4 private radio stations, MBS owns 3 and controls all 4. Maybe I'll get my Montague station after all? CKBW's old frequency of 1000 Khz might be up for grabs. There is 580 for anyone who can afford the towers - unless CFRA moves quickly to stay at 50kw at night, 550 [same tower comment], 600 [same comment],1190, 1410, 1220, 790, 1340, 1360 [soon to be available], etc. all available after going dark through FM flips. Phil R. PEI Canada --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > What is WLIB (1190 kHz, NY) doing format-wise these days? > > They're mostly Caribbean music with some talk shows from time to time. > The music is the primary feature of the station, though, not like when > 1600 WWRL played music in the mornings and evenings and then filled up > the rest of the time with talk shows and infomercials. > > WLIB sounds very good, too -- even though they're not AM Stereo (and > never have been), the audio is very crisp and clean. I'd say they're > the best-sounding mono AM music station in the New York City area. > I e-mailed once them asking about the possibility of upgrading to > AM Stereo, but didn't get any response. > > So, I'm one of those who say that WLIB on 1190 kHz is a better station > that WOWO has ever been in the past decade. I'd rather hear music on > AM with live DJs, than syndicated talk shows any time. From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Dec 10 09:38:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65671 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 17:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 17:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 17:32:36 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBAHWZdC024036 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:32:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000401c3bf43$997cc1b0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1190 WLIB Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:32:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > So, I'm one of those who say that WLIB on 1190 kHz is a better station > that WOWO has ever been in the past decade. I'd rather hear music on > AM with live DJs, than syndicated talk shows any time. You won't get an argument from me about that! I do listen to WOWO on occasion and they are strictly off-the-bird talk (Rush, Dr Laura, Bruce Williams, Jim Boannon etc) with a fairly decent local-news staff... But then again, most of the old, legendary clear channel music stations are not much better. WLS, WFCL (now WMVP), WLAC, WABC and so on are all pretty much purveyors of Rush and the gang. Any music station on AM, especially one with a decent audio-chain gets a nod of favor form me. However, WLIB still could have accomplished a great tight-time contour in New York, including Suffolk, Nassau, Queens, Kings, Richmond and Westchester counties without crippling Indiana's only 50 kw, Clear Channel station (Clear Channel, meaning classification, not the corporation). Not to mention that New York already has a ton of AM signals in the ratings graveyard. But I do understand your perspective and I'm glad that WLIB does play some music and care enough to have a quality airchain! regards.. -Jim- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 10:57:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41165 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 18:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 18:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 18:57:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 18:56:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:56:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: More WBZ / WINS audio files Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1437 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics These were recorded yesterday afternoon from my MCS-3050 tuner here in NJ, both before and after local sunset: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wbzscan1.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wbzscan2.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wbzscan3.mp3 In these recordings, flip back and forth between 1010 WINS and 1030 WBZ, stopping to listen to the "hash" on 1020 kHz (get ready to turn down the volume, because it is LOUD!!). Also, near the end of one clip, I tune up to 1040 WCHR (religious) and 1050 WEPN (ESPN Radio), to give you an example of how WBZ's digital hash is interfering with these local stations. You can also hear 1010 WINS switch to their nighttime pattern a few minutes before local sunset (4:30 PM) -- they momentarily drop carrier during the switch, and during that moment the hash from WBZ becomes especially strong. In the third file you can hear WBZ's IBOC almost completely wiping out skywave reception of 1020 KDKA -- but then a few minutes later, WBZ finally shuts off their IBOC (you can hear it just before the 4:43 time check, I believe), and then when I flip back to KDKA, it comes in very clearly, with only moderate adjacent-channel "chatter" from WINS and WBZ. When WBZ shuts off their IBOC, their loudness and modulation level do not increase, but their audio bandwidth increases ever so slightly, from exactly 5 kHz with the IBOC on to about 5.3 kHz with the IBOC off. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 13:57:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95901 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 19:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 19:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 19:11:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 19:10:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:10:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: FM distortion Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1752 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics "CD 101.9" may be New York City's highly-rated "Smooth Jazz" station, but it is almost ridiculous how over-compressed and distorted their audio is! I made some audio clips of them from my Sony tuner: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/fmdistortion1.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/fmdistortion2.mp3 Believe me... the distortion you hear is being transmitted that way by WQCD... it is NOT an artifact of my receiver. It sounds to me like they are using a very excessive amount of clipping, and combined with the emphasized bass that "smooth jazz"-type music tends to favor, it is a recipe for disaster. Then in the second clip, the "crystal chimes" at the end of the Luther Vandross song come out sounding like shards of broken glass -- I actually laughed out loud the first time I heard it, because it just sounds so bad! The real shame is that "CD 101.9" used to sound excellent -- crisp, clear, and with lots of dynamic range... but about 2 years ago, they decided to drastically increase their processing level, in order to boost their on-air loudness to the point where they sound just as loud as the screaming heavy-metal-rock stations. But to be fair, some FM stations actually DO care about their audio quality. My local Adult Contemporary station -- co-owned with WCTC 1450 AM Stereo, by the way -- was transmitting similarly distorted audio for a few years, but just a few months ago, there was a tremendous improvement in their audio quality. The distortion is now completely gone, and the dynamic range is excellent for a pop music station. No, they won't win any "loudness wars" now -- but their uncommonly good audio will surely help attract listeners and improve their TSL (Time Spent Listening). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 15:19:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61061 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 23:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 23:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 23:08:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 23:08:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:08:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: A station that is proud to be AM Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 103 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics AM Stereo 1490 WIKE with a Country format in Newport, Vermont: http://www.northstarhits.com/WIKE.htm From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Dec 10 15:27:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23399 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 23:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 23:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 23:27:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 23:27:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:27:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2179 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.23.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Digital radios are set to be the hottest Christmas gifts in the UK this year - and now Australians will have the opportunity to experience the future of radio when major Sydney commercial and public radio stations begin simulcasting in digital format from December 17. This 18-month industry-wide pilot project will be one of the most comprehensive listener and advertiser driven tests of this exciting new technology anywhere in the world. Structured listener panels will be established in the New Year and, in order to reach the widest range of listeners possible for feedback, a number of consumer display centres will also be launched in early 2004. A conversion to digital broadcasting from analog would mark the most profound change for radio since the introduction of FM broadcasting in the 1970s. Digital broadcasting will eliminate hiss and crackle and provide CD-quality sound. It can also convey a high-speed stream of information that allows the transmission of text and images and makes it possible for radio stations to significantly enhance the listener experience with the capability of interactive on-demand features. For instance, listeners can access lyrics and album information, interviews, special programs, sports and traffic information, and in receivers under development rewind and replay 30-60 seconds of audio. The Sydney trials are the first on VHF Band 3 involving all commercial broadcasters and the ABC and SBS. Sydney commercial stations 2KY, 2DayFM, 2WS and ABC have been simulcasting on LBand for the last 4 years. VHF Band 3 is a better more effective spectrum and will allow broadcasters to assess reaction in the Australian market place using a range of portable, at-home and in-car receivers and new program content. Initially 100 listeners will be selected to participate in the trials, with plans to extend to 500 listeners as a greater range of receivers becomes available. The panels will consist of taxi drivers, youth, opinion makers, computer users and a racing panel. The stations participating in the trial are 2KY, 2WS, 2DAYFM, 2GB, 2SM, 2UE, Nova, 2CH, ABC Classic FM, ABC dig internet radio, and SBS. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Dec 10 15:41:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92012 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 23:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 23:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 23:38:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 23:38:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:38:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2179 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.23.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Digital radios are set to be the hottest Christmas gifts in the UK this year - and now Australians will have the opportunity to experience the future of radio when major Sydney commercial and public radio stations begin simulcasting in digital format from December 17. This 18-month industry-wide pilot project will be one of the most comprehensive listener and advertiser driven tests of this exciting new technology anywhere in the world. Structured listener panels will be established in the New Year and, in order to reach the widest range of listeners possible for feedback, a number of consumer display centres will also be launched in early 2004. A conversion to digital broadcasting from analog would mark the most profound change for radio since the introduction of FM broadcasting in the 1970s. Digital broadcasting will eliminate hiss and crackle and provide CD-quality sound. It can also convey a high-speed stream of information that allows the transmission of text and images and makes it possible for radio stations to significantly enhance the listener experience with the capability of interactive on-demand features. For instance, listeners can access lyrics and album information, interviews, special programs, sports and traffic information, and in receivers under development rewind and replay 30-60 seconds of audio. The Sydney trials are the first on VHF Band 3 involving all commercial broadcasters and the ABC and SBS. Sydney commercial stations 2KY, 2DayFM, 2WS and ABC have been simulcasting on LBand for the last 4 years. VHF Band 3 is a better more effective spectrum and will allow broadcasters to assess reaction in the Australian market place using a range of portable, at-home and in-car receivers and new program content. Initially 100 listeners will be selected to participate in the trials, with plans to extend to 500 listeners as a greater range of receivers becomes available. The panels will consist of taxi drivers, youth, opinion makers, computer users and a racing panel. The stations participating in the trial are 2KY, 2WS, 2DAYFM, 2GB, 2SM, 2UE, Nova, 2CH, ABC Classic FM, ABC dig internet radio, and SBS. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 18:28:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61462 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 02:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 02:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 02:28:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20031211022827.36065.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.82] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:28:27 PST Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:28:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} DX Was: Re: WBZ: Separating the Men from the Boys To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004d01c3be68$45e704b0$6401a8c0@jimspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jim Burgan wrote: > That is incredible but not all that > unusual...Especially that high in the > band. > Before they started licensing AM stations in the > expanded band, people all > over the US heard Dallas/Ft Worth airport's 2 TIS > stations on 1630 and 1680. > I listened to them nightly. They were American > Airlines departures > (1630kHz) and arrivals (1680kHz). They broadcast > from a short antenna with > 65 watts but could be heard all over American until > they started licensing > the band. I have heard them in SC but not nightly. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 18:29:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40193 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 02:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 02:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 02:29:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20031211022926.87666.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.82] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:29:26 PST Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:29:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO's Woes To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3FD5F021.70F4648B@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Dick W wrote: > I remember years ago, when I was stationed at Ft. > Gordon, GA (near Augusta), we > couldn't get the Augusta top-40 station at night, > but WOWO came in like a champ. > It was a great station. It is truly a tragedy that > money is all that counts > anymore. > > Dick W. Would that have been WBBQ on 1340? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Dec 10 19:06:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32640 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 22:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 22:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 22:42:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 22:42:32 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79652 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 20:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 20:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 20:00:47 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1d8.1649f664 (4222) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:00:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1d8.1649f664.2d08d553@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:00:19 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOWO's Woes To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.104 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Dec 2003 22:42:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 That would be WADO 1280 buying out WGLI 1290...they wanted to eliminate ACI on Long Island and eventually upgrade to 50 kW...so the purpose of their purchase of WGLI was to take the station off the air, and improve WADO's signal on Long Island. Their night pattern shoots to the south; I heard them while I was living in Georgia in 1988; they were "Radio Wado" at the time. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Dec 10 19:12:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56133 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 03:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 03:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 03:12:03 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.214.20.40]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031211031202.WMZY12995.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:12:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c3bf94$8b986030$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <20031211022827.36065.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} DX Was: Re: WBZ: Separating the Men from the Boys Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:12:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.68 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have more specific info about the TIS Airport Stations as in Xmitter model #, exact dimensions for antenna etc. ? I was blown away at how much these got out. I used to have solid strong copy in Iowa many nights. Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:28 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} DX Was: Re: WBZ: Separating the Men from the Boys --- Jim Burgan wrote: > That is incredible but not all that > unusual...Especially that high in the > band. > Before they started licensing AM stations in the > expanded band, people all > over the US heard Dallas/Ft Worth airport's 2 TIS > stations on 1630 and 1680. > I listened to them nightly. They were American > Airlines departures > (1630kHz) and arrivals (1680kHz). They broadcast > from a short antenna with > 65 watts but could be heard all over American until > they started licensing > the band. I have heard them in SC but not nightly. Powell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Dec 10 20:23:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3605 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 23:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 23:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 23:25:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 23:25:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:25:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: FM distortion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 469 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.23.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > "CD 101.9" may be New York City's highly-rated "Smooth Jazz" station, > but it is almost ridiculous how over-compressed and distorted their > audio is! I made some audio clips of them from my Sony tuner: > It does'nt sound that bad to me, guess I'm not much of an audiophile. As for over compression you want to hear some UK FM stations. NO compression is used on DAB thankfully... From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 21:45:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64487 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 05:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 05:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 05:45:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 05:45:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:44:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: FM distortion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 831 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.220 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > "CD 101.9" may be New York City's highly-rated "Smooth Jazz" station, > but it is almost ridiculous how over-compressed and distorted their > audio is! I made some audio clips of them from my Sony tuner: > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/fmdistortion1.mp3 > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/fmdistortion2.mp3 If that's the worst-sounding FM station in the NJ/NY area, feel lucky! You call that bad? Worst stations I have heard were in Las Vegas. Lots of distortion and hum. I haven't been in too many places in this country, but that was by far the worst AM and FM broadcast market I have heard. LA, SF, Sacramento- Not that bad. LV, forget it. Overprocessing, hum, bad lines.... Geeze. Made local radio sound good. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Wed Dec 10 23:42:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81217 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 07:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 07:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 07:42:54 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBB7glJY016076 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:42:53 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:42:47 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 From Digital Australia's text ... "The Committee are currently looking at a number of issues including the availability of L Band and VHF spectrum for digital radio services, as well as the availability and initial cost of digital radio receivers." Please indulge my ignorance ... I've read that testing will be on the L band and section 3 of the VHF band. I seemed to have worked out that the L band is the one the US uses for Defense. What frequencies make up the L band. My Sangaen Outback radio has a LW band that covers 144 to 279 Khz. But I was told that this is the old band used my the maritime (lighthouses and such) here. The only thing I can pick up on it is a terrible signal of 1116 3AK. And what frequencies make up the third level of VHF. Wouldn't that be TV channels from about 12 to low 20s - before the UHF band take over? I wish I'd done a radio technicians course! Ian Melbourne From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 00:08:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9151 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 08:07:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 08:07:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 08:07:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 08:07:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:07:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2413 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.231 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > From Digital Australia's text ... > "The > Committee are currently looking at a number of issues including the > availability of L Band and VHF spectrum for digital radio services, as > well as the availability and initial cost of digital radio receivers." > > > Please indulge my ignorance ... I hope I can clear things up.. :) > I've read that testing will be on the L band and section 3 of the VHF > band. The correct term is "Band III", but yes, correct so far. > I seemed to have worked out that the L band is the one the US uses for > Defense. What frequencies make up the L band. L Band is microwave, between 1.2 GHz and 1.8 GHz- That's 1200-1800 MHz, roughly- Far higher than the FM broadcast band. Many services occupy these frequencies, globally and regionally. The US Military's usage is considered "secondary". Radio astronomy is also used in this range. Also note the US Mil.itary's use of this band is also global, but they have NOT raised a fuss about the use of DAB at these frequencies in other countries. The US Military also has access to far more spectrum space than they ever use, and so this is really of secondary importance to them. > My Sangaen Outback radio has a LW band that covers 144 to 279 Khz. But I > was told that this is the old band used my the maritime (lighthouses and > such) here. The only thing I can pick up on it is a terrible signal of > 1116 3AK. LW = "Longwave", and thus is not the same. L Band is at microwave frequencies, and not even anywhere near the far end of the usable RF spectrum below infrared. (Highest allocated band is something like 75 GHz.) > And what frequencies make up the third level of VHF. Wouldn't that be > TV channels from about 12 to low 20s - before the UHF band take over? Around 220 MHz. Here's the frequency tables used for VHF Band III and microwave L Band channels used by most DAB services. http://www.wohnort.demon.co.uk/DAB/freqs.html Courtesy of DAB Ensembles Worldwide, http://www.wohnort.demon.co.uk/DAB/ For perspective, FM broadcast, air and (at least here in the US and Canada) weather services are in VHF Band II. > I wish I'd done a radio technicians course! Even technicions only know maybe 10% of the radio spectrum. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Thu Dec 11 00:30:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14099 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 08:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 08:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 08:30:24 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBB8ULJY018406 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:30:23 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:30:21 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > > Please indulge my ignorance ... > > I hope I can clear things up.. :) Amy - you are sure one smart mouse! But I'm confused even clicking on the Aussie bit at the first address you quoted. I get things like ... 'This is a "drop-through" allocation, between existing analogue TV transmissions. One of the objectives is to assess the performance of the system in such close proximity to analogue TV. The tests are expected to begin later this year. Initially at least the same multiplex will be simulcast on L-Band.' I am a technical dunce - but surely not the only one here. Can you or someone list to us the common frequency names, and hertz range, and what they are generally used for? eg. ... I can't think of one. :( I know TV sets are tuned to VHF1 and VHF2 - then UHF (where Ch 28 here is). What is VHF-III? Who uses it? Could the answer be a pineapple? Ian (thanks again!) From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 01:19:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2287 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 05:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 05:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 05:53:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 05:52:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:52:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: good digital-tuning am stereo portables? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 758 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key What are some good makes & models of digitally-tuned AM Stereo portables? (preferably walkman style) I don't want to get one that's particularly expensive, and I'd like an AM section at least as good as a Sony SRF-42. I'm willing to sacrifice the FM band (I hardly listen to it anyway - any stations I want to hear would be hard to DX even with tropo, E-skip, a broadcast-tower-height antenna, and a high-quality receiver.) Also, what are some of the good AM Stereo home tuners for someone on a very strict budget? (older models are fine, so long as it has at least 7.5 |(preferably 10KHz or more) frequency response, selectivity and sensitivity better than the SRF-42, digital tuning covering at least 530 to 1700KHz, and inputs for other components) From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 01:44:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91609 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 09:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 09:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 09:44:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 09:43:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:43:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1386 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.231 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > > > > Please indulge my ignorance ... > > > > I hope I can clear things up.. :) > > > Amy - you are sure one smart mouse! Mmm, nah- I'm just good at finding things, with some ability to understand them. :) As well as being able to learn from what I find. :) The 'net, to me, is one friggin' huge library, and I love perusing libraries. :) > I am a technical dunce - but surely not the only one here. You aren't, nor do you really need to be. :) > Can you or someone list to us the common frequency names, and hertz range, > and what they are generally used for? Here are the text and graphic versions of the frequency allocation table in the US (PDF viewer needed): http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/chp04chart.pdf http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf For Australia, courtesy of the Australian Communications Authority: 200-some-page PDF: http://tinyurl.com/yqdx Graphic-chart PDF: http://tinyurl.com/yqe1 > I know TV sets are tuned to VHF1 and VHF2 - then UHF (where Ch 28 here > is). > > What is VHF-III? Who uses it? Here in the US, the Band III range, there are police, fire, sherrif's, and other agencies' services, as well as the military, amateure, and part of the upper VHF TV band. Hope this is of some help. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Dec 11 02:47:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88699 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 10:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 10:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 10:47:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 10:47:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:47:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: good digital-tuning am stereo portables? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1088 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.57.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > What are some good makes & models of digitally-tuned AM Stereo > portables? (preferably walkman style) I don't want to get one > that's particularly expensive, and I'd like an AM section at least as > good as a Sony SRF-42. I'm willing to sacrifice the FM band (I hardly > listen to it anyway - any stations I want to hear would be hard to DX > even with tropo, E-skip, a broadcast-tower-height antenna, and a > high-quality receiver.) > > Also, what are some of the good AM Stereo home tuners for someone on a > very strict budget? (older models are fine, so long as it has at > least 7.5 |(preferably 10KHz or more) frequency response, selectivity > and sensitivity better than the SRF-42, digital tuning covering at > least 530 to 1700KHz, and inputs for other components) Hi Far as a good home tuner i would go for the MCS 3050 and the portable i would go for the Sony srf A300 mini boom box. Unfornichly neether one gose to 1700 am and the MCS 3050 gose to 1620 am. Jim S From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 02:59:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83971 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 10:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 10:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 10:54:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 10:53:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:53:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: good digital-tuning am stereo portables? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 123 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.231 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie As far as I know, there are no digitally-tuned AMS portables on the market at this time, even in Japan. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Thu Dec 11 03:19:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12711 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 05:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 05:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 05:21:39 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBB5LbJY009455 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:21:38 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:21:37 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Dave wrote: > and now Australians will have the opportunity to experience > the future of radio when major Sydney commercial and public > radio stations begin simulcasting in digital format from > December 17. Thanks Dave ... about bloody time! we've been waiting 13 years. Here's some info on the Melbourne trials been carried out by Broadcast Australia. Broadcast Australia is conducting a digital radio broadcast (DRB) trial in Melbourne. This trial will be conducted in parallel with a digital radio trial to be conducted by Commercial Radio Australia in Sydney. The content for Broadcast Australia's trial will be provided by third parties (including radio broadcasters) and will include audio and/or data. Broadcast Australia is not a broadcaster and will not be providing content for the trial. Broadcast Australia is offering national, commercial and community broadcasters the opportunity to participate in the Melbourne trial. Broadcast Australia intends to transmit third party DRB content over the currently unused Band III spectrum. The DRB trial will allow Broadcast Australia to test a number of technical solutions including spectrum and coverage issues, as well as enable third party content providers (including radio broadcasters) to test the market in relation to the availability and attractiveness of content types, including audio and data services, the ease of use and performance of DRB receivers and the level of interest from content providers. Broadcast Australia will provide the results of its Melbourne trial to participants and relevant Government agencies. Broadcast Australia acknowledges the successful introduction of DRB in Australia will be dependent on the strong support of the radio industry. Broadcast Australia's intent is to work constructively with the radio industry to facilitate the introduction of DRB services. Technical enquiries, especially from antenna installers in the Melbourne area, please contact: Email: melbdrbtrial@broadcastaustralia.com.au For all other enquires, please contact: Glen.frost@broadcastaustralia.com.au For background information on digital radio and digital television, we suggest the following web sites: Web site for Digital Radio/Audio Broadcasting: www.worlddab.org Web site for Digital Broadcasting Australia: www.dba.org.au What is digital radio? In 1995, the Federal government formed the Digital Radio Advisory Committee (DRAC) to look at the policy and technological issues surrounding the introduction of digital radio in Australia. The committee's final report recommended that the Eureka 147 standard be adopted for Australia, operating in the L Band frequency with the option of using the VHF spectrum, where available, for regional areas. As with digital television, broadcasters will also be required to simulcast their analogue services for a period so listeners are not disadvantaged. On March 24 1998, the Federal Government formed the Digital Radio Planning and Steering Committee to develop a comprehensive planning framework to enable digital radio services to begin transmissions in 2001. The Committee are currently looking at a number of issues including the availability of L Band and VHF spectrum for digital radio services, as well as the availability and initial cost of digital radio receivers. So, what is digital radio all about? Almost everything we do from making a telephone call to surfing the Internet involves digital communication processes of some kind. Digital radio will offer fundamental improvements over analogue radio, promising the listener four key benefits: Digital sound quality and greater choice Analogue radio suffers from additional noise and interference to the wanted signal from a variety of sources such as power lines and even other radio stations. By contrast, the more robust digital signal allows reliable reception of high quality audio. And the compression techniques used by Digital Radio provide the opportunity to expand the range of choice of radio services. Interference free reception on the move Drive around a built up area and you'll hear the effects of multipath distortion - radio signals that bounce off buildings and the surrounding landscape which cause the unpleasant hisses, pops and phasing that affect all FM signals. Digital radio takes advantage of multipath distortion so the direct and reflected signals actually re-inforce each other. FM radio was just not designed to be received on the move, but digital radio has to be heard to be believed. No need to re-tune As digital radio is immune to the effects of traditional interference, a single frequency can be used to cover the entire country. This makes re-tuning receivers in different parts of the country unnecessary and makes efficient use of the available spectrum. Also, at local and regional level, digital radio can use low power single frequency networks (SFN) to provide precise editorial coverage for local stations. Complementary text and data services Digital radio is not just audio - it's text and graphics (Program Associated Data or PAD). One of the most exciting aspects of digital radio is the opportunity to produce multimedia radio programs. It's possible to broadcast a range of additional services from football scores and tour dates to electronic program guides and visual advertising. That doesn't mean that radio will turn into a lesser version of television or the Internet - the multimedia elements will enhance radio's core appeal plus open up a range of additional commercial opportunities. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Dec 11 05:05:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22321 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 12:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 12:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 12:59:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 12:58:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:58:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 701 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.1.43 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Dave wrote: > > > and now Australians will have the opportunity to experience > > the future of radio when major Sydney commercial and public > > radio stations begin simulcasting in digital format from > > December 17. > > > Thanks Dave ... about bloody time! we've been waiting 13 years. > Funny as Radio Australia's feedback said 10 years before a digital format will be chosen so great news. DAB is very much alive now in the UK though suffering from lowish bitrates. I hope Oz uses at least 192kbps for ALL stations, CD quality in other words! Perhaps 3MP will be on DAB soon ;-) From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Dec 11 06:19:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20681 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 14:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 14:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 14:17:54 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBBEHqZP047061 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:17:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002101c3bff1$91357890$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20031211022827.36065.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> <000f01c3bf94$8b986030$af78fea9@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} DX Was: Re: WBZ: Separating the Men from the Boys Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:17:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Does anyone have more specific info about the TIS Airport Stations as in Xmitter model #, exact dimensions for antenna etc. ? > > I was blown away at how much these got out. I used to have solid strong copy in Iowa many nights. > > Juan In earlier discussions on another forum, we never figured out how the DFW TIS stations managed to get 65 watts. The normal power is 5 watts or less. Someone must have had friends in high places for them to get 65 watts in Dallas. Of course, being located at 1630 and 1680 helps... The expanded band stations on 1630 kHz and 1680kHz, along with their short antennas lend themselves to propagation. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 07:45:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72161 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 15:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 15:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 15:44:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 15:44:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:44:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo in Radio World! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 924 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From today's news at www.radioworld.com.... their wording could've been more positive, but it is a start! Oregon Station Adds AM Stereo A station in Portland, Ore., has just gone ... AM stereo? According to a report by Kent Randles in the Water Cooled Newsletter of SBE Chapter 124, KBPS has started broadcasting in AM stereo, joining two other stations in the market. The station is owned by a local school district. The report quotes Chief Engineer Larry Holtz as saying, "KBPS-AM 1450 commenced broadcasting in AM Stereo on Nov. 28, thanks to the generous trades and donations (by) Ken Broeffle at Infinity and Gary Hilliard at Entercom. "I realize that the format is pretty defunct, but the equipment was out there not being used and several of the students in the KBPS radio program expressed interest in converting to stereo. ... KBPS is one of the few Portland AM stations still playing music." From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Dec 11 07:46:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90296 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 15:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 15:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 15:42:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 15:40:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:40:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOWO's Woes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1d8.1649f664.2d08d553@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1116 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq They're still "Radio WADO". If you want to see WGLI before the fire go to: http://www.wa2fnq.hamradios.com/gli.htm The station went up for sale and WADO's money was greener so they got to buy it and shut it down. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > That would be WADO 1280 buying out WGLI 1290...they wanted to eliminate ACI > on Long Island and eventually upgrade to 50 kW...so the purpose of their > purchase of WGLI was to take the station off the air, and improve WADO's signal on > Long Island. Their night pattern shoots to the south; I heard them while I was > living in Georgia in 1988; they were "Radio Wado" at the time. > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Dec 11 08:24:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80796 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 13:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 13:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 13:58:21 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBBDwJoZ042818 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:58:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001001c3bfee$d5d0f9f0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: RE: DC101.9 and WINS, WBZ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:58:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > in the second clip, the "crystal chimes" at the end of the Luther > Vandross song come out sounding like shards of broken glass -- I > actually laughed out loud the first time I heard it, because it just > sounds so bad! I agree, the 'crystal chimes' do sound horrible but I don' think that is the result of their audio processing (although I agree that they have the dynamics of your average CHR in a loudness war). It sounds more like artifacting coming from one of a few possibilities. One possibility is their audio is perhaps being overly compressed by their hard-drive delivery system (ie: Audio Vault, Scott Studios, Enco DAD). It sounds like they may be running 32kHz sampling, with a 96 kbps bit rate and MPEG Layer 2 compression. Under many circumstances, MPEG2 compression alone is enough to result in the problem with the 'crystal chimes'. Although it's tough to tell when you're listening to an MP3, which has it's own issues. Another possibility is that they are using analog outputs from their studio, being sent to a Digital Optimod (or other digital audio processor), followed by a Mosely CD-Link (or other digital STL). One of our FM's had that combination and the artifacting was not acceptable (similar to what your 'crystal chimes' sounds like). Not to mention the millisecond delay in the air monitor drove the jocks crazy so we went back to the analog STL (keeping the digital Optimod). That improved the audio significantly. I also really appreciated your files on the IBOC noise generated by WBZ. Those 3 MP3's alone should be enough to convince the Commission that AM IBOC is (in it's current state) unacceptable. We have talked about it several times, but you've inspired me to make a recording of the problems caused locally by WSAI (50kw on 1530), Cincinnati (assuming they are still doing IBOC testing, I haven't checked lately). As I've stated, when they are testing IBOC at night, WSAI nearly obliterates a nearby station (WKWH 1kw D, 250 watts N, DA2 on 1520) in Shelbyville Indiana, 70 miles southwest of Cincinnati. To be fair, I admit that I live about 20 miles form WKWH's transmitter, but even at night they have a decent signal when WSAI isn't testing IBOC. When they are testing at night, WSAI's sideband hash can be heard on the control-room modulation monitor in the studios of WKWH. Even during the day when WKWH is on their day-time power and array, WSAI's hash can easily be heard at my house. There is talk that WLAC, Nashville (50kw on 1510) will be testing IBOC (if they aren't already). If this is the case and the FCC decides to allow night-time use of IBOC in it's current incarnation, WKWB might as well surrender their license and lull the plug. Not to mention that WKWH is a decent-sounding AM playing music (oldies), although not in stereo. In any event, thanks for the uploaded files. They make a strong case against IBOC (not that it matters, anymore). From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 09:58:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76605 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 17:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 17:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41214.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 17:46:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20031211174615.20127.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.32] by web41214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:46:15 PST Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:46:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.47 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus What type of radios are required? Michael --- Ian Davidson wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Dave wrote: > > > and now Australians will have the opportunity to > experience > > the future of radio when major Sydney commercial > and public > > radio stations begin simulcasting in digital > format from > > December 17. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Dec 11 10:44:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95057 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 15:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 15:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 15:32:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 15:31:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:31:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOWO's Woes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1d8.1649f664.2d08d553@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1131 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Yep, they're still "Radio WADO". If you want to see WGLI before the fire go to: http://www.wa2fnq.hamradios.com/gli.htm It's all $$$. The station was for sale and WADO's money was greener so they got to buy it and shut it down. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > That would be WADO 1280 buying out WGLI 1290...they wanted to eliminate ACI > on Long Island and eventually upgrade to 50 kW...so the purpose of their > purchase of WGLI was to take the station off the air, and improve WADO's signal on > Long Island. Their night pattern shoots to the south; I heard them while I was > living in Georgia in 1988; they were "Radio Wado" at the time. > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 10:50:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78309 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 18:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 18:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 18:35:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 18:35:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:35:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: good digital-tuning am stereo portables? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1293 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > What are some good makes & models of digitally-tuned AM Stereo > > portables? (preferably walkman style) I don't want to get one > > that's particularly expensive, and I'd like an AM section at least > as > > good as a Sony SRF-42. I'm willing to sacrifice the FM band (I > hardly > > listen to it anyway - any stations I want to hear would be hard to > DX > > even with tropo, E-skip, a broadcast-tower-height antenna, and a > > high-quality receiver.) > > > > Also, what are some of the good AM Stereo home tuners for someone > on a > > very strict budget? (older models are fine, so long as it has at > > least 7.5 |(preferably 10KHz or more) frequency response, > selectivity > > and sensitivity better than the SRF-42, digital tuning covering at > > least 530 to 1700KHz, and inputs for other components) > > > > Hi Far as a good home tuner i would go for the MCS 3050 and the > portable i would go for the Sony srf A300 mini boom box. Unfornichly > neether one gose to 1700 am and the MCS 3050 gose to 1620 am. Jim S Does the A-300 have a digital tuner? (digital readout, not iboc of course) From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 10:55:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73696 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 18:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 18:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 18:35:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 18:35:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:35:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: good digital-tuning am stereo portables? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 270 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > As far as I know, there are no digitally-tuned AMS portables on the > market at this time, even in Japan. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I thought I was also including older models in the search... :) From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Dec 11 11:11:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99601 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 19:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 19:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 19:11:14 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.69]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:11:08 -0700 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: good digital-tuning am stereo portables? Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:11:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okies....no the SRF300 is manual tuning I believe. Check at audiocubes.com, they might have a sony or two that are digital-tuned, but I don't think so. I have an Aiwa walkman that is digitally tuned and does receive the expanded band and it records. It's NICE. But I think I paid about $250 for it so it's kinda expensive. And for what I paid, there could be LOTS more high end on the AM side....it's stereo, but it's relatively muddy :( The MCS3050 tuner (stand alone.....has to be plugged into an amplifier or receiver) is digitally tuned, but as someone mentioned, it only goes up to 1620 or so. I have one of those. I also have a Marantz SR941 receiver. This is a really nice receiver and I find that the high end is actually BETTER than the MCS3050. So if Kevin T says his MCS3050 is 7.5 khz (which I don't think it is) then you know the Marantz is better than that. Check out the receivers section at www.amstereoradio.com for pictures of it. I use this as my main home stereo receiver. And I got it on EBay for about $40. It receives both AM and FM stereo. Has inputs on the back for antennas for AM and FM. Also has TAPE1, TAPE2, CD/VIDEO and so forth. Nice unit. Digitally tuned. Fairly sensitive and usually pretty cheap...keep an eye on EBay for them. Better way to find one might be to search just for Marantz and look for it by model number....NOT by AM Stereo. There's tons of people out there that have them that don't know or care that they are AM STEREO....so they won't even mention it on their Ebay ad. Only fallback here is that again, it doesn't get the expanded band :( Other than that it's a nice unit. For digitally tuned that receives EB, you're probably better off getting something and converting it (or having one of us convert it for ya if you're not electronically inclined). That's what I did for my car stereo. It's a Mitsubishi unit that's only a few years old. I changed out the ceramic filter so that the bandwidth is opened up....probably up to about 9 or 10khz at least.....and installed one of Chris Cuff's decoders in it. FM is really sensative too...so that's a plus. And with it only being a few years old, it gets the EB. There's lots of digitally tuned boomboxes that are cheap at Wal-Mart and I know conversions have been tried successfully on several of them. I think that might be your best bet. Get a $25 boom box, a $25 decoder from Chris and there you go. Good luck Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: pianoplayer88key [mailto:pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:36 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: good digital-tuning am stereo portables? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > As far as I know, there are no digitally-tuned AMS portables on the > market at this time, even in Japan. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I thought I was also including older models in the search... :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 11:11:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57690 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 18:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 18:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 18:55:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 18:53:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:53:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: good digital-tuning am stereo portables? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 195 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.231 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > > Does the A-300 have a digital tuner? (digital readout, not iboc of > course) No. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 11:25:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15188 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 18:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 18:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 18:51:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 18:51:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:51:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031211174615.20127.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 360 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.231 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > What type of radios are required? DAB radios, much like those in the UK, Europe, Canada, and much of the rest of the world. In case this wasn't clear, Australia is running an 18-month testing program for DAB in Sydney and Melbourne, ***NOT*** IBOC or DRM. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 11:26:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3920 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 19:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 19:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 19:26:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 19:26:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:26:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: good digital-tuning am stereo portables? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 848 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.231 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > As far as I know, there are no digitally-tuned AMS portables on the > > market at this time, even in Japan. > > I thought I was also including older models in the search... :) If it does, then there are a few digitally-tuned portables, but as far as I'm aware of, none are as good as an SRF-42, and one would be lucky to find one under $100. :( I use an Aiwa CR-DS805 digitally-tuned pocket radio-- The noise from the processor makes it useless for DXing under 900kHz without my Select-A-Tenna, plus it's weak on the expanded band. It's also duller than the SRF-42- Narrower filters. It cost me $150 back in 1999. It's my only portable AMS radio. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 11:30:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63236 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 19:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 19:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41211.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 19:06:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20031211190633.14323.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.32] by web41211.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:06:33 PST Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:06:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: good digital-tuning am stereo portables? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.44 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus NO its analogue only but v.good sensitivity for dxing though and its AM is excellent(goes to about 1638)on my radio but its not an issue in NZ as we only go to 1602kHz but its FM isnt that great and only goes to 92mHz.Its worth the US99 dollars from audiocubes. Other than that try AIWA walkmans that have AMS on ebay they have digital tuning and quite good reception. Michael --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > > > Does the A-300 have a digital tuner? (digital > readout, not iboc of > course) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 11:48:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73337 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 15:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 15:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 15:43:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 15:42:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:42:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 392 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Thanks Dave ... about bloody time! we've been waiting 13 years. Let's just hope they use reasonable bit-rates... like at least 192 kbps (and preferably 224 or 256 kbps) for the classical music stations, and no less than 160 kbps (pref. 192 kbps) for the pop music stations. In the U.K., things are getting so squeezed that some of the pop music stations are now using 96 kbps MONO. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 11:48:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63873 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 19:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 19:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 19:48:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20031211194828.8197.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.32] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:48:28 PST Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:48:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.43 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Are DAB radios expensive? What do they look like Do they have the usual AM/FM band? We dont have those in NZ --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and > Ross > wrote: > > What type of radios are required? > > DAB radios, much like those in the UK, Europe, > Canada, and much of > the rest of the world. > > In case this wasn't clear, Australia is running an > 18-month testing > program for DAB in Sydney and Melbourne, ***NOT*** > IBOC or DRM. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 14:29:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21148 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 19:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 19:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 19:50:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20031211195035.10741.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:50:35 PST Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:50:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Digital Radio in Canada on the Cheap To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.143 From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wednesday night CKWW - AM 580 (Windsor, ON / Detroit, MI)- with a standards music format (begging for stereo), was advertising "DAB" digital radios for under $100 CA. Pretty cheap for a digital radio. Radio Shack of Canada must be having a fire sale, as that would be even less than $100 in US dollars. Windsor and Toronto are two areas with DAB, but it doesn't seem to be making a dent as the reception range is reduced. Too bad I can't get them to go CQuam as they obviously have the stereo studio. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Dec 11 15:14:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19342 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 21:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 21:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 21:24:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 21:24:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:24:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031211194828.8197.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 419 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.19.239 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross=20 wrote: > Are DAB radios expensive? What do they look like Do > they have the usual AM/FM band? We dont have those in > NZ =20 Prices are a lot cheaper now than they use to be. =A3500 or more a few=20 years ago now between =A380 and =A3150.. Some have FM and or L band=20 (for DAB) as well as Band III Depends how much you want to spend of=20 course... From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Dec 11 16:01:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70640 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 00:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2003 00:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 00:01:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2003 00:01:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:01:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Digital Radio in Canada on the Cheap Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031211195035.10741.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 633 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.19.239 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Wednesday night CKWW - AM 580 (Windsor, ON / Detroit, MI)- with a standards > music format (begging for stereo), was advertising "DAB" digital radios for > under $100 CA. Pretty cheap for a digital radio. Radio Shack of Canada must > be having a fire sale, as that would be even less than $100 in US dollars. > Windsor and Toronto are two areas with DAB, but it doesn't seem to be making a > dent as the reception range is reduced. Only L band is used in Canada though some great bit rates 224kbps few stations though and not good coverage From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Dec 11 16:06:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2849 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 21:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 21:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 21:16:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 21:16:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:16:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 973 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.19.239 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > Thanks Dave ... about bloody time! we've been waiting 13 years. >=20 > Let's just hope they use reasonable bit-rates... like at least > 192 kbps (and preferably 224 or 256 kbps) for the classical music=20 > stations, and no less than 160 kbps (pref. 192 kbps) for the pop=20 music=20 > stations. In the U.K., things are getting so squeezed that some=20 of=20 > the pop music stations are now using 96 kbps MONO. AS I said 192kbps is more than sufficient for CD quality audio. The=20 only station here using 192 is BBC Radio 3. Classic FM and Virgin=20 Radio is 160kbps. MOst others are 128kbps. Going any higher than 192=20 is getting a bit ridiculous and would greatly limit the number of=20 stations you could have on a single multiplex anyway.=20=20 Since getting a cheapo DAB tuner for under =A380 / $140 the other week=20 I'm quite surprised and impressed with the quality of the 128kbps=20 stations really... From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Dec 11 16:12:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10067 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 00:04:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2003 00:04:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 00:04:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2003 00:04:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:04:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Aria A-3000 DAB Personal Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 102 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.19.239 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan One of the smartest looking DAB personals around at the moment in the UK : http://tinyurl.com/yuu5 From dav259@csiro.au Thu Dec 11 16:30:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67146 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 21:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 21:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 21:42:44 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBBLghJY029179 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:42:43 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:42:43 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio In-Reply-To: <20031211174615.20127.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: > What type of radios are required? Don't know Michael - but I've volunteered to be a tester - and if my name is not "pulled out of the hat" to officially participate I've asked Broadcast Australia if I could buy a walkman-style digital receiver as I'd love to listen to the trials anyway. I'm so glad that something is finally happening here. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 16:36:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41970 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 00:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2003 00:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 00:15:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20031212001534.37714.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.32] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:15:34 PST Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:15:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aria A-3000 DAB Personal To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.46 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus looks like a camera!!! :-) Michael --- Dave wrote: > One of the smartest looking DAB personals around at > the moment in > the UK : http://tinyurl.com/yuu5 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 17:37:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11692 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 01:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2003 01:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 01:17:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2003 01:15:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:15:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 565 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.231 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: > > > What type of radios are required? > > Don't know Michael - but I've volunteered to be a tester - and if my > name is not "pulled out of the hat" to officially participate I've asked > Broadcast Australia if I could buy a walkman-style digital receiver as I'd > love to listen to the trials anyway. > > I'm so glad that something is finally happening here. Way to go, Ian! :) I hope you get to experience DAB. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 17:49:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56374 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 01:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2003 01:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 01:09:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20031212010945.3428.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.32] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:09:45 PST Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:09:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.41 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Hi Ian let us know how it goes.... --- Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: > > > What type of radios are required? > > Don't know Michael - but I've volunteered to be a > tester - and if my > name is not "pulled out of the hat" to officially > participate I've asked > Broadcast Australia if I could buy a walkman-style > digital receiver as I'd > love to listen to the trials anyway. > > I'm so glad that something is finally happening > here. > > > > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dav259@csiro.au Thu Dec 11 18:20:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85564 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 22:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 22:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 22:05:09 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBBM52JY000355 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:05:07 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:05:02 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio In-Reply-To: <20031211194828.8197.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: > Are DAB radios expensive? What do they look like Do > they have the usual AM/FM band? We dont have those in > NZ Michael - this walkman that will also work off the power looks great - but only does DAB and FM. Not a good sign for AM radio. http://www.nevada-radios.co.uk/acatalog/perstel-dab.html But they're not cheap - about A$300. Also checkout ... http://www.digitalradiosuk.co.uk/dab.html http://www.asiadab.org/fr_dab_products.htm http://communication.students.rmit.edu.au/projects/fish-fm/Fish-Fm6.html I guess in this instance NZ will closely follow Oz - and it looks as if we're all too slowly following the mother country ... Ian From brian60420@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 19:01:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63157 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 03:01:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2003 03:01:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60603.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.223) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 03:01:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20031212030152.53177.qmail@web60603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.53.134.171] by web60603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:01:52 PST Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:01:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1030 WBZ - now With BuZzing IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.223 From: brian60420 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBOC is just another assault in the average radio listener who doesn't care about stereo or digital. All they know is that something is different. It doesn't sound right. Words like buzzing, noises, hiss, static, will plague the AM band forever. Aside from lower fidelity, doesn't this band have enough strikes against it without more being generated "on purpose"? If you think the FCC will come to the rescue in this one, forget it. All they care about is collecting fines and harassing broadcasters. Follow the money trail. I predict IBOC's interference will be the downfall of it, and the AM band. Right out of the box it is only a "12 hour solution". On at 6, off at 6. What kind of plan is that? What the heck do you do for the rest of the day? Analog? And, where are all the receivers? XM and Sirius radio are making more inroads than ever. You can buy an XM receiver for your car and home for $120 at Circuit City. You can't even look at an IBOC radio. Also, who cares about audio quality if the programing stinks. Same old shows, different mode of transport? I'm going to make a prediction about the future of AM-FM. It''ll be dead in 10 years. Satellite radio and wireless local area network (WLAN) bit-casting will replace all your listening needs. You'll be able to listen to not only to the local shows, but every single internet radio station in the world, IN YOUR CAR OR AT HOME. Talk about freedom. Even the little guy can roll his favorite tunes for the entire world to hear. All this talk about DAB and IBOC, Multiplexing and C-Quam will be a memory. Get your jabs in now, brian >Anthony wrote: >Curious as to how WBZ's main signal at 1030khz. is sounding, aside >from the loudness issue...Any noticeable 'noises'/'buzzes' on the >carrier? One thing that's present (or was, since WQAM is not running >IBOC now) on the 3 IBOC stations running IBOC here in South Fla. is >that they all have a rather quiet but nevertheless there 'buzzing' >noise on the main frequency.... >--tony s. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Mail AddressGuard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Dec 11 19:19:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18622 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 01:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2003 01:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 01:01:56 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-48-221.rev.o1.com [66.81.48.221]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hBC11rZ26714; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:01:54 -0800 Message-ID: <000201c3c04b$1ac7fca0$dd305142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: Sony sfr A300 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:07:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi Amy If you can buy one of the Sony srf A300's its only US $99 and it sounds very good and there is no prosesor noise. Analog tuneing very big eazy to use nobs and switchs. Only draw back is the owners manal is in japanes. Oh yes and it has a timer for the radio all you have to do is turn the radio off and push the butten and the radio is on the timer and push the butten agin and its off.The dial light is on all the time when pluged in 100vac . The radio has a butten over the dial for the dial light. It take 3 dubble a's. The only thing i don't know about it is weather you have to take the batterys out on ac like the Sony srf a100. Take care you all . Jim S From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 20:28:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27616 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 04:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2003 04:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 04:28:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2003 04:28:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 04:28:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: My HD (HeaDache) Radio listening experience Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3323 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics No, I didn't actually listen to IBOC digital, a.k.a. HD Radio... but I got very close to it, thanks to riding in a co-worker's new Buick SUV with the factory-equipped XM satellite radio -- a service which uses the same digital encoding (AAC + SBR) as IBOC. I can say in all honesty that listening to XM for a total of about two hours gave me a headache! We listened to mostly the '70s channel, but also some of the '80s channel and some of the Christmas music channel. In terms of the traditional audio measurements (dynamic range, S/N ratio, distortion, etc.), the quality is excellent -- whatever audio processing they do use is very transparent, with no "pumping" or clipping distortion. But in terms of the digital encoding XM uses, it's a different story... I coined the phrase "cheese-grater treble" to describe what IBOC sounds like, and that's exactly what XM sounds like as well. The treble response just has this awful metallic, artificial, "ringy" sound to it that just drives me nuts, because it NEVER goes away. EVERYTHING you hear on XM is littered with it, especially their commercials, jingles, and liners. Listening to the '70s channel was quite funny because some of the _intentional_ synthesizer effects that's in pop music from this era sounds a lot like what XM's (and IBOC's) encoding artifacts do to the audio. It sounds like they're playing a non-Dolby cassette tape with Dolby NR turned on, and then are trying to recover the lost treble content by cranking up an Alesis "Aural Exciter" -- and then on top of that, are adding a wishy-washy "flange" effect to the treble. The ONLY way I could stand listening to XM (or IBOC) on my own is if I turned the treble all the way down. Even narrow-band AM mono sounds much cleaner and more natural. After listening to XM for 2 hours, It was such a relief when I finally got into my own car and turned on a regular analog FM station! And I am NOT a super-demanding audiophile... to me, most 128 kbps MP3 files sound nearly perfect, and even when MP3 encoding does cause audible artifacts, it still sounds much better than XM / IBOC, because you don't have that truly AWFUL "fake" SBR treble all the time. Just think... iBiquity wants us to believe that IBOC / HD Radio is the future of AM/FM radio. But if it sounds bad even in the short little samples we've been able to listen to so far, then how would it sound if you have a radio in the office or at home tuned into it ALL DAY LONG? The main flaw of how it sounds, which I still can't get out of my head, is just how "RINGY" it sounds. It's hard to explain, but you'll know it when you hear it... it's like a ringing in your ears that never goes away, and it makes it sound like there's a massive treble boost going on, even when the radio's treble knob is set to mid-position. In comparison, analog AM radio -- even mono -- is like heaven to my ears. It's warm, smooth, and natural, and on a good-quality speaker system, it can have marvelously rich tone. Not, it's not "high- fidelity" by any means... but it doesn't need to be. It just sounds _good_ -- and, given a chance to hear a good AM station (mono OR Stereo) on a good receiver, I think most "unknowing" listeners would prefer it over XM or IBOC, and often even over analog FM. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 01:20:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21666 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 09:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2003 09:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 09:20:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2003 09:20:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:20:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: My HD (HeaDache) Radio listening experience Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 977 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Another thing I forgot to mention about my XM listening experience... the signal did drop out a few times. It would just cut out to silence, and then start playing again a few seconds later. I also heard a few strange pops and thumps in the audio once in a while that might've been related to poor reception of the satellite signal. But don't fear... satellite radio will never replace land-based radio. Why? Because it's not local. Case in point, we just had lots of rain combined with a rise in temperature that melted off a foot's worth of snow. The resulting flooding blocked out a lot of roads and caused several detours during our travel. XM obviously wasn't going to tell us which roads to avoid and which ones were clear; only local AM/FM radio would provide that. A decade or two from now, local, land-based radio may be operating on a new set of frequencies and be using a new transmission format, but it will still be local, land-based radio. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 06:45:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53178 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 14:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2003 14:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 14:45:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20031212144547.52961.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 06:45:47 PST Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 06:45:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Spread the Word: AMS in RW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.143 From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I think it would be great if we could put all of the AMS stations that have happened under this group - ie: Michael's station in Wyoming, 1680 in NY, etc...and let Radio World know that becuase of the great sound, people ARE adding AM stereo. Here's the link to the story: http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=4276 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Fri Dec 12 11:19:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86222 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 19:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2003 19:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 19:19:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2003 19:19:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:19:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony SRF-A1 questions Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 174 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, What similarities does the SRF-A1 have with the SRF-A100? Similar circuit? How is the overall performance? How is the FM performance? Best regards, Paul Bigelow From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 11:50:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46198 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 19:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2003 19:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 19:50:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2003 19:50:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:50:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-A1 questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 586 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.118 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" wrote: > Hello, > > What similarities does the SRF-A1 have with the SRF-A100? > > Similar circuit? How is the overall performance? I understand that the SRF-A1 has a bit less bass, as it doesn't drive speakers (just headphones only). Like the A100, the A1 is multimode, with a switch between Motorola/Magnavox/Harris/Belar and Kahn/Hazeltine modes, using the same chip design. > How is the FM performance? Like most Sonys I have dealt with, don't get one for the FM- You'll be disappointed. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 12:55:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17541 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 20:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2003 20:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 20:55:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2003 20:55:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:55:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-A1 questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 469 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > Like most Sonys I have dealt with, don't get one for the FM- You'll > be disappointed. I'm not gonna say the SRF-A1 is excellent in FM reception, but it's really not that bad...I picked up WPYO 95.3 (a Class B FM I believe), broadcasting near Orlando, Fl. all the way in Cypress Gardens (Winter Haven, Fla. area) on my A1....It certainly has an FM section that for one, outperforms the SRF-42 by a mile...But then again, anything outperforms a 42. --tony s. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 16:36:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79566 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 00:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 00:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 00:36:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2003 00:36:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:36:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-A1 questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 992 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.118 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > Like most Sonys I have dealt with, don't get one for the FM- You'll > > be disappointed. > > > I'm not gonna say the SRF-A1 is excellent in FM reception, but it's > really not that bad...I picked up WPYO 95.3 (a Class B FM I believe), > broadcasting near Orlando, Fl. all the way in Cypress Gardens (Winter > Haven, Fla. area) on my A1....It certainly has an FM section that for > one, outperforms the SRF-42 by a mile...But then again, anything > outperforms a 42. My SRF-A100, when I had it before the trip[le quakes here 1 years ago, STUNK on FM-- Overloaded, poor image rejection, poor selectivity, fair sensitivity, had too much bass and hardly any treble. Disabling the FM section was a blessing. Even when THAT worked, I used a different FM stereo pocket radio that is good on all counts, and I still have it- A late-'80s rainbow-colored Magnavox, model number escapes me. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 16:37:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94350 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 00:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 00:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 00:37:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2003 00:37:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:37:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-A1 questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 218 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.118 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > My SRF-A100, when I had it before the trip[le quakes here 1 years 12 years. Damn typos. The "2" key doesn't work well. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Dec 12 17:11:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13088 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 01:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 01:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 01:11:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2003 01:11:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:11:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-A1 questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1611 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.42.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > > Like most Sonys I have dealt with, don't get one for the FM- > You'll > > > be disappointed. > > > > > > I'm not gonna say the SRF-A1 is excellent in FM reception, but it's > > really not that bad...I picked up WPYO 95.3 (a Class B FM I > believe), > > broadcasting near Orlando, Fl. all the way in Cypress Gardens > (Winter > > Haven, Fla. area) on my A1....It certainly has an FM section that > for > > one, outperforms the SRF-42 by a mile...But then again, anything > > outperforms a 42. > > My SRF-A100, when I had it before the trip[le quakes here 1 years > ago, STUNK on FM-- Overloaded, poor image rejection, poor > selectivity, fair sensitivity, had too much bass and hardly any > treble. Disabling the FM section was a blessing. Even when THAT > worked, I used a different FM stereo pocket radio that is good on all > counts, and I still have it- A late-'80s rainbow-colored Magnavox, > model number escapes me. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Hi Amy If your Magnavox is AM also it would be neet to put one of Chris's decoders in it to make it a all Magnavox AM STEREO. I did not know if you got my other message about the Sony SFR A300. It's a nice radio sounds good and you can get it to go up to 97 fm if you want and there is no prosesors noise on am . Thay are $118 out the door. Thay are forced am stereo. Go To www.audiocubes.com . www.stereoam.com is way to much thay stiil want over $200 for one. Thanks Jim S From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 17:40:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46218 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 01:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 01:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 01:40:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2003 01:40:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:40:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-A1 questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1054 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.118 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" wrote: > > Hi Amy If your Magnavox is AM also it would be neet to put one of > Chris's decoders in it to make it a all Magnavox AM STEREO. I did > not know if you got my other message about the Sony SFR A300. It's a > nice radio sounds good and you can get it to go up to 97 fm if you > want and there is no prosesors noise on am . Thay are $118 out the > door. Thay are forced am stereo. Go To www.audiocubes.com . > www.stereoam.com is way to much thay stiil want over $200 for one. > Thanks Jim S The Magnavox is too small to be modified. As for the A300, I don't need a boombox-style one- I prefer headphones. I'm lookingf to one of the two pocket radios- Perhaps the one with the TV band, since that will give the full US FM band that way. Besides, right now, I'm running so short on cash & credit, I'm not sure how I'm going to make it through this month or next, so... It may be a while. :( (Those that do know me might understand.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Fri Dec 12 19:37:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54547 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 03:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 03:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 03:37:54 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-149-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.149]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F1FAD14E0DF for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:37:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00d401c3c12a$b10e56c0$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: Fw: RBR's Morning E-Paper Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:51:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RBR's Morning E-PaperIt's not just the big broadcasting empires that are ma= king it hard for small stations to keep their news departments going. ST ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Todd=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 RBR Bounceback=20 We want to hear from you. Speak out to your colleagues in television on any subject affecting t= his business. This is your column, so send your comments to radionews@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Presidential candidate Howard Dean claims consolidation is to blame f= or reduced local news on radio (12/3 RBR Daily Epaper #235), but this reade= r says Dean has missed the real reason. Howard Dean laments the fact that there are no radio stations doing l= ocal news anymore and blames consolidation of the industry. Perhaps the lea= rned gentleman might tell us who we'll get to sponsor local news? The small businesses, the Mom & Pop's, if you will, have been driven = out of business by consolidation in other industries. 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All rights reserved. =20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Fri Dec 12 19:37:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31763 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 03:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 03:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 03:37:56 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-149-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.149]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8850814E0EF for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:37:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00d501c3c12a$c769e920$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: FM distortion Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:58:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Believe it or not, I've heard elevator music stations do this too in years gone by. It's actually painful to listen to with headphones on. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > The real shame is that "CD 101.9" used to sound excellent -- crisp, > clear, and with lots of dynamic range... but about 2 years ago, they > decided to drastically increase their processing level, in order to > boost their on-air loudness to the point where they sound just as loud > as the screaming heavy-metal-rock stations. From stodd@vippn.com Fri Dec 12 19:37:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77855 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 03:37:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 03:37:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 03:37:59 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-149-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.149]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2670914E0EF for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:37:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00d601c3c12a$c8f39660$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031212030152.53177.qmail@web60603.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1030 WBZ - now With BuZzing IBOC Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:22:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Assuming he can pay the extortionary ASCAP/BMI license fees... ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian60420" > > Even the little guy can roll his favorite tunes for the entire world to hear. From baansy@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 19:38:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30937 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 03:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 03:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 03:38:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2003 03:38:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:38:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: PORTABLE AM STEREO RADIO Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 598 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 144.137.204.229 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Over christmas I am going on a bus tour from Cairns to Sydney and I am taking a Portable AM stereo radio with me that I made myself using a Eurovox car radio with AM STEREO/FM STEREO. These radios were factory fitted to VL commodores here in Australia. I bought it for $25 from cash converters and is in perfect working order. These radios have a MO/ST switch and a BX switch that work on both AM and FM. I have mounted the radio,a car antenna , a sealed lead acid battery and a headphone socket in a small box. The digital tuner tunes from 531 to 1629khz and is not forced AM stereo. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 19:48:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84980 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 03:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 03:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 03:48:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2003 03:48:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:48:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-A300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 831 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As for the A300, I don't need a boombox-style one- I prefer > headphones. I don't either, but the SRF-A300's main advantage are its BIG knobs and switches and its BIG, precise, lighted tuning dial. Because of that, it is simply a _pleasure_ to use, especially for DXing -- even if you only ever use it with headphones. Trust me, I love my SRF-42... but its fiddly little tuning dial is a pain in the you-know-what to use with any kind of accuracy. And even if the other AM Stereo Walkmans are only half as bad in that regard, I'd still prefer the SRF-A300 for its superior physical design. I can even use it while wearing mittens! Now, if only Sony could take the SRF-A300, add full FM and Expanded AM band tuning to it, and SELL it here, we'd have the perfect radio to help lead a great AM Stereo comeback..... From stodd@vippn.com Fri Dec 12 19:58:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1633 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 03:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 03:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 03:58:05 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-149-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.149]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E34414E0E6 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:58:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <010a01c3c12d$97d1bd20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} McKay Dymek Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:00:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude While I've never seen that particular model, they did tend to leave a fair amount of room inside. My guess is it would be a good candidate for conversion. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coffee Shop Times" > Anybody ever converted a McKay Dymek digital AM receiver to AM > Stereo? How much room is there inside that box? From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 20:31:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80920 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 04:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 04:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 04:31:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2003 04:31:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 04:31:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: RBR's Morning E-Paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00d401c3c12a$b10e56c0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 919 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: =snip= Drive down any town & city's main thoroughfare, and you'll see how many would love to advertize locally! Where I live, you do have some of the national and regional major companies, but there are also over 1,000 businesses here, mostly locally owned and run, most of which still advertize heavily on the local airwaves. Plenty of revenue, there-- And this area is actually in a long-term economic slump, with its two main big-ticket industries almost completely wiped out. But still, local busiunesses thrive. And this is true everywhere else I know of. But Dean (and others) are right: corporate radio stations have a disinterest in local advertizing, preferring national/major regional accounts, so the locals just don't get to advertize. My area is lucky- We don't have corporate-owned radio here....yet. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 20:35:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70963 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 04:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 04:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 04:35:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2003 04:35:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 04:35:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: 1030 WBZ - now With BuZzing IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00d601c3c12a$c8f39660$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 508 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Assuming he can pay the extortionary ASCAP/BMI license fees... > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brian60420" > > > > Even the little guy can roll his favorite tunes for the entire world to > hear. Being a "pirate" broadcaster on the internet is far easier than broadcast-- It simply requires not leaving the internet equivalent of a paper trail- That is, not linked to anyone. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 21:06:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48836 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 05:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 05:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 05:06:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20031213050632.79505.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:06:32 PST Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:06:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Jeff Welton from Nautel? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Is out ole buddy Jeff Welton from Nautel still on this list? I'm curious to see if you can still get a Nautel with AM Stereo? BTW, CFCO's transmitter is a Nautel with AMS. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Dec 12 21:13:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98256 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 05:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 05:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 05:13:27 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBD5DQva087036 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:13:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001d01c3c137$d7790320$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-A1 questions Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:13:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Tony S wrote: > I'm not gonna say the SRF-A1 is excellent in FM reception, but it's > really not that bad...I picked up WPYO 95.3 (a Class B FM I believe), > broadcasting near Orlando, Fl. all the way in Cypress Gardens (Winter > Haven, Fla. area) on my A1....It certainly has an FM section that for > one, outperforms the SRF-42 by a mile Actually WPYO (95.3 Party) is a Class A licensed to Apopka, Florida. They are a fairly weak station in your area. We would probably call it a 'crippled up Class A" since it is also directional They are 3,000 watts (actually slightly less due to a slightly higher stick) with directional bays and horizontal and vertical ground shielding bay construction (with ground shielding) directional array to protect co-channel WXCV in Homosassa Springs and Co-Channel WOLZ in Ft Meyers. I would say you are pretty lucky to bag WPYA in Orlando or Cypress Gardens..... Their transmitter is actually located in Pine Hills, near the old antenna farm for WFLF AM 550 kHz (50 KW U DA2) (Which I remember as a 50kw omni flamethrower daytimer called WGTO) from Cypress gardens in the early 70's. They ran the "Rock Of Chicago: jingle package from Pams and it was probably the best-programmed Top 40 station in Florida throughout it's existence...but that's another topic. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 21:41:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32650 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 05:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 05:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41211.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 05:41:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20031213054152.93204.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.32] by web41211.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:41:52 PST Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:41:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-A1 questions To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.44 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Yes Jim you are right theres a site that charges 275 US for a SRF A300! Michael --- jimsmith95663 wrote: I did > not know if you got my other message about the Sony > SFR A300. It's a > nice radio sounds good and you can get it to go up > to 97 fm if you > want and there is no prosesors noise on am . Thay > are $118 out the > door. Thay are forced am stereo. Go To > www.audiocubes.com . > www.stereoam.com is way to much thay stiil want over > $200 for one. > Thanks Jim S > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From stodd@vippn.com Fri Dec 12 21:53:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72810 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 05:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 05:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 05:53:28 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-149-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.149]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B29014E105 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:53:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <015a01c3c13d$b64be9a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031213050632.79505.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jeff Welton from Nautel? Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:55:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If not, he still posts occasionally on radiotech at bnet. Last I knew you could get AMS, but you had to ask the right people. The sales droids would say no. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > Is out ole buddy Jeff Welton from Nautel still on this list? I'm curious to > see if you can still get a Nautel with AM Stereo? > BTW, CFCO's transmitter is a Nautel with AMS. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Dec 12 22:55:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50665 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 06:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 06:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 06:55:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:55:53 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 06:55:53 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Fw: RBR's Morning E-Paper Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 06:55:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2003 06:55:53.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[26B0FA70:01C3C146] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.20 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Mr Joyner certainly makes a valid point when he stated: The small businesses, the Mom & Pop's, if you will, have been driven out of business by consolidation in other industries. SUPER Wal-Marts force the local radio advertisers out and then sit on their assets, refusing to acknowledge the value of radio or local news on the radio. Local banks that used to be local news sponsors are now part of large consortiums who occasionally buy radio flights on larger market stations but refuse to support local stations and local news. The list is endless. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Consolidation of the retail market as well as the broadcasting industry have effectively killed or at the very least have made local news all but impossible to produce on "mom and pop" stations and the large chain stations for the most part couldn't be bothered by putting out a decent local news product. Locally, ClearChannel's WFLA - 970 am has the audacity to bill as itself as "Newsradio 97", when it fact talk/news radio 97 would be more accurate. Other than the morning news block(Monday thru Friday), you're lucky to get 2 to 3 minutes of local news per hour and sometimes the recorded weather forecasts segments are from the day before. In several instances I have heard major local news stories on WCBS 880 out of New York before hearing them on WFLA, which is one of many reasons that I try to listen to WCBS whenever Radio Cuba is not drowning out WCBS. donn st petersburg _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. https://broadband.msn.com From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Dec 12 23:09:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27384 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 07:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 07:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 07:09:58 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031213070956.YKN8432.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:09:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:09:56 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: RBR's Morning E-Paper Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5B8F5220-2D3B-11D8-BC0B-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.125 From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Except that news disappeared from most stations long before=20 consolidation. PDs never wanted it because they felt the listeners=20 didn't want it ... perhaps correctly (but not including me). When the=20 FCC dropped many of the rules for broadcasting in the public service,=20 news was the first thing to go. Richard Wagoner On Friday, December 12, 2003, at 10:55 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Mr Joyner certainly makes a valid point when he stated: > > The small businesses, the Mom & Pop's, if you will, have been driven=20 > out of > business by consolidation in other industries. SUPER Wal-Marts force=20 > the > local radio advertisers out and then sit on their assets, refusing to > acknowledge the value of radio or local news on the radio. Local banks=20 > that > used to be local news sponsors are now part of large consortiums who > occasionally buy radio flights on larger market stations but refuse to > support local stations and local news. The list is endless. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Consolidation of the retail market as well as the broadcasting=20 > industry have > effectively killed or at the very least have made local news all but > impossible to produce on "mom and pop" stations and the large chain=20 > stations > for the most part couldn't be bothered by putting out a decent local=20 > news > product. > > Locally, ClearChannel's WFLA - 970 am has the audacity to bill as=20 > itself as > "Newsradio 97", when it fact talk/news radio 97 would be more=20 > accurate.=A0 > Other than the morning news block(Monday thru Friday), you're lucky to=20 > get 2 > to 3 minutes of local news per hour and sometimes the recorded weather > forecasts segments are from the day before. > > In several instances I have heard major local news stories on WCBS 880=20 > out > of New York before hearing them on WFLA, which is one of many=A0 reasons= =20 > that > I try to listen to WCBS whenever Radio Cuba is not drowning out WCBS. > > donn > st petersburg > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of slow downloads and busy signals?=A0 Get a high-speed Internet > connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. > https://broadband.msn.com > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Dec 12 23:47:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19736 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 07:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 07:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 07:47:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:47:21 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 07:47:21 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: RBR's Morning E-Paper Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 07:47:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2003 07:47:21.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[57377280:01C3C14D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.93 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Richard Wagoner wrote: "Except that news disappeared from most stations long before consolidation. PDs never wanted it because they felt the listeners didn't want it ... perhaps correctly (but not including me). When the FCC dropped many of the rules for broadcasting in the public service, news was the first thing to go." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Here in the St Petersburg radio market, we actually were fortunate to have good local news coverage (including one all news staion - WSUN - 620 - Baynews 9) through January 2000; then 620 became part of the ClearChannel empire switched call letters and are now a "Sports format. Subsequently all news department are 1250 am that is now a ClearChannel station was closed; leaving only ClearChannel's WFLA with a locally produced news product; such as it is. Donn St Petersburg(where all the regional am's are owned by ClearChannel or Infinity) _________________________________________________________________ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Dec 13 08:43:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85841 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 16:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 16:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 16:43:47 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.219.52.33]) by imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031213164347.KXDH1936.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:43:47 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c3c198$47803480$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <001d01c3c137$d7790320$6401a8c0@jimspc> Subject: OT: WGTO Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:43:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.73 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember WGTO being on 540. They had a studio at the entrance to Cypress Gardens. The signal really covered southern and central florida very well, unlike the current 540. Juan Fort Pierce, FL > Tony S wrote: > I'm not gonna say the SRF-A1 is excellent in FM reception, but it's > really not that bad...I picked up WPYO 95.3 (a Class B FM I believe), > broadcasting near Orlando, Fl. all the way in Cypress Gardens (Winter > Haven, Fla. area) on my A1....It certainly has an FM section that for > one, outperforms the SRF-42 by a mile Actually WPYO (95.3 Party) is a Class A licensed to Apopka, Florida. They are a fairly weak station in your area. We would probably call it a 'crippled up Class A" since it is also directional They are 3,000 watts (actually slightly less due to a slightly higher stick) with directional bays and horizontal and vertical ground shielding bay construction (with ground shielding) directional array to protect co-channel WXCV in Homosassa Springs and Co-Channel WOLZ in Ft Meyers. I would say you are pretty lucky to bag WPYA in Orlando or Cypress Gardens..... Their transmitter is actually located in Pine Hills, near the old antenna farm for WFLF AM 550 kHz (50 KW U DA2) (Which I remember as a 50kw omni flamethrower daytimer called WGTO) from Cypress gardens in the early 70's. They ran the "Rock Of Chicago: jingle package from Pams and it was probably the best-programmed Top 40 station in Florida throughout it's existence...but that's another topic. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Dec 13 12:00:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53211 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 20:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 20:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 20:00:14 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBDK0DE5025054 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:00:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001a01c3c1b3$b92f7df0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <001d01c3c137$d7790320$6401a8c0@jimspc> <001901c3c198$47803480$af78fea9@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WGTO Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:00:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Juan wrote: > I remember WGTO being on 540. They had a studio at the > entrance to Cypress Gardens. The signal really covered > southern and central florida very well, unlike the current 540. You're right. Their studios and transmitter location (actually it was a 3-tower inline directional array) had a very loose pattern and their 50 kw were heard all over Florida. I don't think they were a Top 40 station for more then a couple of years but they sure sounded good. Today they have relocated to Pine Hills (West of Orlando) and they are extremely directional. They do have night-time authorization (back in the WGTO days they were a day-timer) but the night-time array is more like a flashlight beam pointing due east (into Orlando). Kinda strange, you can hear them very well in Titusville (70 miles to the east) at night, but you can't hear them at all a few miles to the west of their array. Clear Channel now owns them and pretty much simulcasts WFLA (Tampa). Just another boring News/Talk (in mono) with a crappy 50kw signal, owned by CCU. From scotthatley@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 12:20:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scotthatley@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65919 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 20:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 20:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 20:20:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2003 20:20:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:20:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DAB Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 390 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "scotthatley" X-Originating-IP: 172.168.111.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70828542 X-Yahoo-Profile: scotthatley What are your opinions on DAB and IBOC? I'm very much fan of DAB and i run a DAB Group ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DAB/ ). I live in the UK where DAB is doing very well. However the large media companies can see the potential profit and are squeezing in as many stations as the can, resulting in, for example, Capital Disney transmitting at 64k mono. Not good for a music station. From paulmcrane@hotmail.com Sat Dec 13 12:29:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: paulmcrane@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28798 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 20:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 20:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 20:29:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:29:26 -0800 Received: from 68.76.52.187 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:29:25 GMT X-Originating-Email: [paulmcrane@hotmail.com] X-Sender: paulmcrane@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WGTO Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:29:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2003 20:29:26.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD144720:01C3C1B7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.15.39 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.76.52.187] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=165317089 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I remember hearing them in stereo also and, yes, they did sound great! This was one the first AM stereo stations I heard when I got my first car AM stereo/FM stereo (from Radio Shack before they discontinued them). Didn't WGTO 540 do oldies at one time? Currently, the calls WGTO are 910 in Cassapolis, Michigan, and in stereo also with an oldies format. I listen to them back and forth to work. Paul Crane >From: "Jim Burgan" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WGTO >Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:00:13 -0500 > > > Juan wrote: > > I remember WGTO being on 540. They had a studio at the > > entrance to Cypress Gardens. The signal really covered > > southern and central florida very well, unlike the current 540. > >You're right. Their studios and transmitter location (actually it was a >3-tower inline directional array) had a very loose pattern and their 50 kw >were heard all over Florida. I don't think they were a Top 40 station for >more then a couple of years but they sure sounded good. >Today they have relocated to Pine Hills (West of Orlando) and they are >extremely directional. They do have night-time authorization (back in the >WGTO days they were a day-timer) but the night-time array is more like a >flashlight beam pointing due east (into Orlando). >Kinda strange, you can hear them very well in Titusville (70 miles to the >east) at night, but you can't hear them at all a few miles to the west of >their array. Clear Channel now owns them and pretty much simulcasts WFLA >(Tampa). >Just another boring News/Talk (in mono) with a crappy 50kw signal, owned by >CCU. > _________________________________________________________________ Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Dec 13 14:33:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42812 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 22:33:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 22:33:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 22:33:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2003 22:33:30 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65967 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 17:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 17:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 17:56:26 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.111.2c125763 (4459) for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:56:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <111.2c125763.2d0cacc3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:56:19 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.100 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Dec 2003 22:33:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 Digital radio has been proven NOT to eliminate hiss and crackle...just listen to your digital phones! There's just too much distortion. Just take note of the U.S. experience with the failed IBOC-DAB system. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Dec 13 15:28:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38469 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 23:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 23:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 23:28:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:28:04 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:28:04 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WGTO Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:28:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2003 23:28:04.0629 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1DC1450:01C3C1D0] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.104 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Yes, WGTO, Cypress Gardens did oldies in their am stereo days and were in stereo through the mid 90's before they were "ClearChannelized". Also at that time they did get nighttime authority while they were still WGTO, but it was something like 500 or maybe 1000 watts as opposed to their 50,000 watt daytime signal; this nighttime signal barely covered Winter Haven, Auburndale and Lakeland. My parents live in Ridge Manor Florida (approx 24 miles due east of Cleremont,Fl) and WFLF comes in well there day and night, they must be between some of the western nulls. Also, if I'm not mistaken there was a time when 540 was still WGTO that they dropped to 10,000 watts during critical hours. Donn, St Petersburg,fl Paul Crane wrote: "I remember hearing them in stereo also and, yes, they did sound great! This was one the first AM stereo stations I heard when I got my first car AM stereo/FM stereo. WGTO 540 do oldies at one time? _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From stodd@vippn.com Sat Dec 13 15:41:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42915 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 23:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 23:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 23:41:23 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-99-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.99]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A21D214E0A0 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:41:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001701c3c1d2$e73e0440$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAB Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:43:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude DAB on an entirely new band would probably be the only way all broadcasters could take advantage of digital equally, though as you point out they tend to want to squeeze it til it's dry which defeats the purpose. Let's just say I like it better than IBOC, but don't know that it's necessarily a major improvement. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "scotthatley" > What are your opinions on DAB and IBOC? I'm very much fan of DAB and > i run a DAB Group ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DAB/ ). I live in > the UK where DAB is doing very well. However the large media > companies can see the potential profit and are squeezing in as many > stations as the can, resulting in, for example, Capital Disney > transmitting at 64k mono. Not good for a music station. From stodd@vippn.com Sat Dec 13 15:43:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60807 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 23:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 23:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 23:43:52 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-99-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.99]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B9AE14E0BD for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:43:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001b01c3c1d3$40c7c500$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WGTO Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:45:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The guy that owns it helped me write the AM receiver standards petition found on the AMS Forum website. One of these years I'd like to meet him in person. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Crane" > Currently, the calls WGTO are 910 in Cassapolis, Michigan, and in stereo > also with an oldies format. I listen to them back and forth to work. From scotthatley@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 15:52:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scotthatley@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75342 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 23:52:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 23:52:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 23:52:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2003 23:52:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:52:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c3c1d2$e73e0440$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 946 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "scotthatley" X-Originating-IP: 172.168.111.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70828542 X-Yahoo-Profile: scotthatley what do you think is wrong with IBOC? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > DAB on an entirely new band would probably be the only way all broadcasters > could take advantage of digital equally, though as you point out they tend > to want to squeeze it til it's dry which defeats the purpose. Let's just > say I like it better than IBOC, but don't know that it's necessarily a major > improvement. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "scotthatley" > > > What are your opinions on DAB and IBOC? I'm very much fan of DAB and > > i run a DAB Group ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DAB/ ). I live in > > the UK where DAB is doing very well. However the large media > > companies can see the potential profit and are squeezing in as many > > stations as the can, resulting in, for example, Capital Disney > > transmitting at 64k mono. Not good for a music station. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 16:38:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29681 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 00:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 00:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 00:38:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2003 00:38:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:38:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WGTO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 907 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" wrote: > I remember hearing them in stereo also and, yes, they did sound great! This > was one the first AM stereo stations I heard when I got my first car AM > stereo/FM stereo (from Radio Shack before they discontinued them). Didn't > WGTO 540 do oldies at one time? Yes, they were. FANTASTIC stereo oldies, too- I'm still looking for a stereo version of Lou Christie's "Two Faces Have I" that I heard on 'GTO when I was on vacation back in the very early '90s. > Currently, the calls WGTO are 910 in Cassapolis, Michigan, and in stereo > also with an oldies format. I listen to them back and forth to work. G;ad the 'GTO calls are still alive on an oldies station, with stereo, too. :) Perfect calls for an oldies station. :) You can just hear "Little GTO" in your mind when hearing the calls. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 16:40:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59160 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 00:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 00:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 00:40:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2003 00:40:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:40:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <111.2c125763.2d0cacc3@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 425 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Digital radio has been proven NOT to eliminate hiss and crackle...just listen > to your digital phones! There's just too much distortion. Just take note of > the U.S. experience with the failed IBOC-DAB system. Which digital cellphone system are you referring to? The US distem (I forget what it's called) or the globally-used GSM system? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Dec 13 17:24:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38180 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 01:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 01:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 01:24:07 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.8f.360d6b13 (3850) for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:23:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8f.360d6b13.2d0d15ad@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:23:57 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jeff Welton from Nautel? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.161 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you have no success with Nautel...try BE [Broadcast Electronics]. I'm=20 sitting here with a brand new AM 1A that came equiped with a C-Quam exciter= built=20 in.By the looks of the catalog on CD that I have here,it would appear that= =20 most if not all of the BE AM transmitters have C-Quam capability in them. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Dec 13 20:20:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26645 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 04:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 04:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 04:20:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:20:32 -0800 Received: from 172.170.24.69 by bay7-dav28.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 04:20:31 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: "WildMouse" , , , , , , , , References: <00e801c3c1f4$a41311c0$858cfea9@p8h7m0> Subject: CHRISTMAS AT CRITTERLAND Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:19:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2003 04:20:32.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D121010:01C3C1F9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.85 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.170.24.69] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 CHRISTMAS AT CRITTERLAND Twas the night before Christmas and all over the farm The critters were snuggled all cozy and warm. The sheep in the barn and the goats in their stall Were snuggled down, chewing their cuds, in the straw. The donkeys had hee-hawed their last evening bray, And were happily munching a late snack of hay. The turkeys were sleeping in snug little groups (Despite all my efforts, ignoring their roosts) And the chickens, worn out from a hard day of laying, Were dreaming their chicken dreams, of fat hens playing. The geese and the ducks were all taking their leisure With soft mumbled quacking and honks for good measure, For ducks and geese both being such stubborn birds, Neither would let the other one have the last word! The dogs on the couch and the cats by the stove Were so comfy nothing could have made them move! I had just fed the hedgehogs and put on some tea And settled down for an evening of watching TV When all of a sudden there arose such a rumble From out in the yard, I jumped up with a stumble Away to the front door I quickly took flight, Yanked open the door and turned on the light. The moon through the clouds was creating a haze And I peered out the door as if in a daze When what to my wondering eyes should appear, The man from the feed store, in full winter gear! He had a big truck and a trailer behind And he said, "I'm a bit early, hope you don't mind. Santa Claus called me, he was reading your letter, And he thought I could get the job done much better He couldn't get all of these things in his sleigh, So he asked if I could deliver this way!" He said not a word more, but went straight to his work, Unloaded the truck, and he turned with a jerk And yanking his cowboy hat down on his head And giving a nod, out the driveway he sped. I stood there in wonder, my heart beating hard Staring at everything piled in my yard! There was hen scratch and crumbles and pelleted feed, There was corn, oats, and barley, and sunflower seed! Goat feed with molasses and grain for the sheep; There was cat food and dog food and soft beds to sleep! There were dog toys and fur mice and rawhide to chew Catnip and beef bones and other treats too! New halters and lead ropes, nest boxes and more, It looked as though he had just brought the whole store! But the mystery that made my knees shake in fear Was that I hadn't written to Santa this year! Then as I pondered, I thought back to November And the light dawned as slowly I began to remember The hoofprints I saw on my office floor And the downy white feather stuck in the keyboard.. The pawprint on the "print" key, it all came together! The CRITTERS had written Santa that letter! So if it should happen that you find next year A humongous feed bill as Christmas draws near Leave the pasture gate open, the back door unlocked And don't count too closely while penning your flock. If you hear sounds at midnight like claws on the keys Just go back to sleep, let them do what they please. Let the critters write Santa, and see what he'll do Remember that Santa Claus loves Critters too! From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Dec 13 23:38:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55711 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 07:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 07:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 07:38:21 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-46-239.rev.o1.com [66.81.46.239]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hBE7cIo76964; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:38:18 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c3c214$d3cf0480$ef2e5142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: I forgot Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:35:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 HI AM I forgot to ask this is there a little open spot behind the spekers. If so you mite be able to glue it on the back of the speekers the maganet .Thanks Jim S From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 23:43:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51937 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 07:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 07:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 07:43:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2003 07:42:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 07:42:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: I forgot Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c3c214$d3cf0480$ef2e5142@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 365 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" wrote: > HI AM I forgot to ask this is there a little open spot behind the > spekers. If so you mite be able to glue it on the back of the speekers > the maganet .Thanks Jim S The Magnavox has no speakers- Just headphones only. (Continuation from email, apparently.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Sat Dec 13 23:47:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90987 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 07:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 07:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 07:47:23 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBE7lKJY011440 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:47:21 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:47:20 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} PORTABLE AM STEREO RADIO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 13 Dec 2003, baansy wrote: > Over christmas I am going on a bus tour from Cairns to Sydney and I > am taking a Portable AM stereo radio with me that I made myself using > a Eurovox car radio with AM STEREO/FM STEREO. Hey Baansy Nice long trip. Please give a complete list of AM stereo stations you pick up along the way. Are there any up around Cairns? Ian Melbourne From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Dec 14 05:34:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74022 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 13:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 13:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 13:34:52 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBEDYnmu081327 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 06:34:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001c01c3c247$0e154f50$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WGTO Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:34:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ wrote: > > Glad the 'GTO calls are still alive on an oldies station, with > stereo, too. :) Perfect calls for an oldies station. :) You can just > hear "Little GTO" in your mind when hearing the calls. :) My sentiments exactly! I knew the calls were re-assigned. but didn't know where. Nice to know there's still some dignity involved with those historic calls. Speaking of the old WGTO... Here's some thing I've always wondered: When they were located next-door to the entrance of Cypress Gardens (RIP, but that's another thread), the legal id was "WGTO-Cypress Gardens". In other words, their city of license was Cypress Gardens. But Cypress Gardens was not a city, town or municipality. It was a tourist attraction. There was no post office, courthouse and anything resembling a city, yet they managed to get a 50KW AM Station licensed to Cypress Gardens, Florida! Figure that one out... From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Dec 14 05:49:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68217 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 13:49:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 13:49:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 13:49:45 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBEDniOD083459 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 06:49:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001f01c3c249$2250aee0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:49:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Which digital cellphone system are you referring to? The US distem (I > forget what it's called) or the globally-used GSM system? > Actually both. I have had a GSM phone for several years (6+ years). Originally it was Omnipoint, then it became Voicestream and now it is called T-Mobile, but it has always been the same, and until recently it was the only GSM carrier in the US. Other than the limited coverage area (up and down Interstate highways and in/around big cities only), I always kind of liked them. I finally gave it to my wife a few years ago and got a Sprint PCS phone. Again, their coverage area is still somewhat limited but I do like them because of their customer service and great rates. I know the old 5 watt analog bag phones were tops (my first Cell phone was with Cellular One, which has become Cingular here in Indiana) and it was always my favorite. I also know the existing analog phones sound better than Sprint PCS and other digital phones, but everyone is going digital and nobody will have an analog phone in another year or two. I believe Cingular is jumping on the GSM bandwagon right now. But if you want the ultimate example of how bad digital phones are, using a digital phone, call someone else with a digital phone. There are delays between audio as both do analog/digital conversions, and heaven forbid you should play any music from digital-digital... It sounds like it's scrambled or from outer space. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Dec 14 06:24:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25471 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 14:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 14:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 14:24:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2003 14:24:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:24:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <111.2c125763.2d0cacc3@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 508 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.19.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Digital radio has been proven NOT to eliminate hiss and crackle...just listen > to your digital phones! There's just too much distortion. Just take note of > the U.S. experience with the failed IBOC-DAB system. > What ?? Of course it has. Ths is the very thing which sets DAB apart from AM / FM. Also Digital mobile phones are far better than the old analogue types. It proves that digital modes are far more robust than analogue modes From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Dec 14 06:40:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20015 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 14:40:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 14:40:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 14:39:59 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-012scfairp0039.dialsprint.net ([63.189.176.39] helo=earthlink.net) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AVXPa-0000Xd-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 06:39:59 -0800 Message-ID: <3FDC7640.7E8C9648@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:40:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WGTO References: <001d01c3c137$d7790320$6401a8c0@jimspc> <001901c3c198$47803480$af78fea9@juan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.46 From: Dick W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Yes, WGTO used to come into Tampa like a local during daytime, except that it was not quite as loud. Since the changes, it is a somewhat poor station in Tampa. Dick W. Juan / John Gualda wrote: > I remember WGTO being on 540. They had a studio at the entrance to Cypress Gardens. The signal really covered southern and central florida very well, unlike the current 540. > > Juan > Fort Pierce, FL > > > Tony S wrote: > > I'm not gonna say the SRF-A1 is excellent in FM reception, but it's > > really not that bad...I picked up WPYO 95.3 (a Class B FM I believe), > > broadcasting near Orlando, Fl. all the way in Cypress Gardens (Winter > > Haven, Fla. area) on my A1....It certainly has an FM section that for > > one, outperforms the SRF-42 by a mile > > Actually WPYO (95.3 Party) is a Class A licensed to Apopka, Florida. > They are a fairly weak station in your area. We would probably call it a > 'crippled up Class A" since it is also directional > They are 3,000 watts (actually slightly less due to a slightly higher stick) > with directional bays and horizontal and vertical ground shielding bay > construction (with ground shielding) directional array to protect co-channel > WXCV in Homosassa Springs and Co-Channel WOLZ in Ft Meyers. I would say you > are pretty lucky to bag WPYA in Orlando or Cypress Gardens..... > Their transmitter is actually located in Pine Hills, near the old antenna > farm for WFLF AM 550 kHz (50 KW U DA2) (Which I remember as a 50kw omni > flamethrower daytimer called WGTO) from Cypress gardens in the early 70's. > They ran the "Rock Of Chicago: jingle package from Pams and it was probably > the best-programmed Top 40 station in Florida throughout it's > existence...but that's another topic. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Dec 14 06:44:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53983 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 14:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 14:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 14:44:55 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-012scfairp0039.dialsprint.net ([63.189.176.39] helo=earthlink.net) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AVXUM-0001Oy-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 06:44:55 -0800 Message-ID: <3FDC7764.EF31AADF@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:44:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WGTO References: <001c01c3c247$0e154f50$6401a8c0@jimspc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.46 From: Dick W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 In their early days, WGTO's advertisements stated "From the Gulf to the Ocean". I think that the call sign referred to their coverage area, rather than the famous GTO automobile. But it's fun to think about the automobile as the namesake! Dick W. Jim Burgan wrote: > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ wrote: > > > > Glad the 'GTO calls are still alive on an oldies station, with > > stereo, too. :) Perfect calls for an oldies station. :) You can just > > hear "Little GTO" in your mind when hearing the calls. :) > > My sentiments exactly! > I knew the calls were re-assigned. but didn't know where. > Nice to know there's still some dignity involved with those historic calls. > Speaking of the old WGTO... Here's some thing I've always wondered: > When they were located next-door to the entrance of Cypress Gardens (RIP, > but that's another thread), the legal id was "WGTO-Cypress Gardens". > In other words, their city of license was Cypress Gardens. But Cypress > Gardens was not a city, town or municipality. It was a tourist attraction. > There was no post office, courthouse and anything resembling a city, yet > they managed to get a 50KW AM Station licensed to Cypress Gardens, Florida! > Figure that one out... > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Dec 14 08:39:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85939 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 16:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 16:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.118) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 16:39:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:39:31 -0800 Received: from 172.165.211.216 by bay7-dav14.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:39:31 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <001c01c3c247$0e154f50$6401a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WGTO Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:37:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2003 16:39:31.0912 (UTC) FILETIME=[D98E0C80:01C3C260] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.118 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.165.211.216] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jim Burgan wrote: > In other words, their city of license was Cypress Gardens. But Cypress Gardens was not a city, town or municipality. It was a tourist attraction. There was no post office, courthouse and anything resembling a city, yet they managed to get a 50KW AM Station licensed to Cypress Gardens, Florida! > Figure that one out... That one is easy. If there are already enough stations in a city, you can't get a license for another station in that city, so you pick a place close enough to the city that you can still get a city grade signal into where you wanted to be in the first place. A few years back, Matt Phillips wanted to put another AM signal in Anderson, SC....and they kept turning him down. So, he got a 10,000 Watt daytimer on 1020 licensed for Homeland Park. Homeland park is not even the name of a place! It is the name of the Water District that serves the Southern end of Anderson. The tower is in the same place as Matt wanted to put it to start with! 50,000 Watt WCSZ 1070 is licensed to San Souci, a Greenville SLUM, for the same reason. Kevin From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Dec 14 08:55:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20187 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 16:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 16:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 16:55:33 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBEGrGW4084236 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:53:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3FDC959C.3070601@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:53:48 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WGTO References: <001c01c3c247$0e154f50$6401a8c0@jimspc> In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thats almost Like My LPFM that I built. its in the city of Arrowhead village,NJ arrowhead village is in reality 4 blocks in a town called Brick. It has not been called Arrowhead village since the early 1800's brick is made up of many small sections that now cover almost 30 sq miles.. But the U.S. Survey maps still show arrowhead village. so they granted us the LPFM Hell Im not complaining at least we got the station.. there is only 1 other station In the City of Brick and thats the high school station WBGD.which I also maintain Possum Hunter wrote: >Jim Burgan wrote: > > >>In other words, their city of license was Cypress Gardens. But Cypress >> >> >Gardens was not a city, town or municipality. It was a tourist attraction. >There was no post office, courthouse and anything resembling a city, yet >they managed to get a 50KW AM Station licensed to Cypress Gardens, Florida! > > >>Figure that one out... >> >> > >That one is easy. If there are already enough stations in a city, you can't >get a license for another station in that city, so you pick a place close >enough to the city that you can still get a city grade signal into where you >wanted to be in the first place. > >A few years back, Matt Phillips wanted to put another AM signal in Anderson, >SC....and they kept turning him down. So, he got a 10,000 Watt daytimer on >1020 licensed for Homeland Park. Homeland park is not even the name of a >place! It is the name of the Water District that serves the Southern end of >Anderson. The tower is in the same place as Matt wanted to put it to start >with! > >50,000 Watt WCSZ 1070 is licensed to San Souci, a Greenville SLUM, for the >same reason. > >Kevin > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From e92fmjamz@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 12:08:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: e92fmjamz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86296 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 20:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 20:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14003.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.94) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 20:08:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20031214200807.78974.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.6.34.78] by web14003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:08:07 PST Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:08:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jeff Welton from Nautel? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8f.360d6b13.2d0d15ad@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.175.94 From: Ernest Jones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24963319 X-Yahoo-Profile: e92fmjamz is it just me, or is that new BE transmitter putting out a stronger signal than the raytheon? --- KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > If you have no success with Nautel...try BE > [Broadcast Electronics]. I'm > sitting here with a brand new AM 1A that came > equiped with a C-Quam exciter built > in.By the looks of the catalog on CD that I have > here,it would appear that > most if not all of the BE AM transmitters have > C-Quam capability in them. > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC > Division > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach > 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------- > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio > stations with engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------- > > ------------------------KC4QLP  Amateur > Radio------------------------------------------ >                 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va >                            www.qsl.net/kc4qlp > Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL > 131.8) > _______________________________________________________ > > * List owner: > Group name: Echolink-Open-List > Group home page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List > Group email address: > Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From stodd@vippn.com Sun Dec 14 12:18:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50226 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 20:18:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 20:18:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 20:18:58 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-50-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.50]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CFE3A14E0A2 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:18:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004a01c3c27f$cb3fd860$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAB Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:18:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You're fairly new to this forum, aren't you? Welcome. Anyhoo, IBOC is a solution in search of a problem. On MW the bitrate is much too low to give decent audio to anything other than a talk format, plus it trashes the adjacent channels making it unsuitable for nighttime use. On FM it represents only the most meager of audio improvements. Only in areas of heavy multipath is the digital signal actually better, though good analog receiver design can overcome most of it, and with DSP in the receiver even that difference goes away almost completely. It too trashes adjacent channels, which can be a major problem. If you were to travel between markets with stations on 98.5 in one and 98.1 in the other, the digital carriers will overlap on 98.3. It gets even worse in the educational band where stations are placed on a contour basis. On the east side of St. Paul, MN, you could have 88.7 from River Falls, WI, and 88.5 from the Minneapolis/St. Paul area each wiping out the other's analog. IBOC is extremely expensive and for the first time in history requires a proprietary system to be used. It requires a second transmitter, and a new antenna (FM), or broadbanding of the antenna array (MW) far in excess of what's required for even AM stereo. These expenses could put many smaller stations off the air entirely. And why would it be necessary when DSP in the receiver can accomplish the overwhelming majority of tasks that IBOC is being asked to do? That's why I don't like it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "scotthatley" > what do you think is wrong with IBOC? From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 12:50:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49854 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 20:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 20:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 20:50:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2003 20:50:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:50:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: WGTO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c3c247$0e154f50$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "bossmsx2" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > When they were located next-door to the entrance of Cypress Gardens (RIP, > but that's another thread) Actually, the State of Florida has purchased most or part of the park and is in the process of dealing it over to prospective new owners for revitalization....I've been there a couple of times, as it used to be a good excuse to go to a theme park, and indulge in the sinfulness of hearing Florida's southernmost AM Stereo station, WWBF/1130/Bartow/Winter Haven (not to mention the Hi-Fi, but Mono WHNR/1360, also licensed to Cypress Gardens). > In other words, their city of license was Cypress Gardens. But Cypress > Gardens was not a city, town or municipality. It was a tourist attraction. > There was no post office There was a post office, actually...One of the brochures mentioned that you could send mail from it..... While we're on the subject of odd 'cities' of license....There's another radio station in Florida, WPTK/1200 (ex-AM Stereo WDCQ), that is licensed to Pine Island Center, Fla....Pine Island Center is literally the CENTER of Pine Island, nothing more! --tony s. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Dec 14 13:52:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26356 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 21:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 21:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 21:52:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2003 21:52:01 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98959 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 07:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 07:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 07:41:47 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.1e6.15721f91 (4246) for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:41:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1e6.15721f91.2d0d6e2f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:41:35 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} My HD (HeaDache) Radio listening experience To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.38 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Dec 2003 21:52:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 IBOC shouldn't be called "HD"...it should be called "LD"...low definition radio. AM Stereo is HIGHER DEFINITION radio than IBOC will ever be, that's for sure. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scotthatley@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 14:40:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scotthatley@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28228 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 22:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 22:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 22:40:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2003 22:40:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:40:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004a01c3c27f$cb3fd860$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2041 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "scotthatley" X-Originating-IP: 172.186.254.218 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70828542 X-Yahoo-Profile: scotthatley It's such a shame the US have not adopted DAB band III rather than IBOC. It is capable of high quality audio and would not disrupt am/fm stations. It's doing extremely well over here. Do you have any idea what the Band III frequencies are used for in The US? Scott --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > You're fairly new to this forum, aren't you? Welcome. Anyhoo, IBOC is a > solution in search of a problem. On MW the bitrate is much too low to give > decent audio to anything other than a talk format, plus it trashes the > adjacent channels making it unsuitable for nighttime use. > > On FM it represents only the most meager of audio improvements. Only in > areas of heavy multipath is the digital signal actually better, though good > analog receiver design can overcome most of it, and with DSP in the receiver > even that difference goes away almost completely. It too trashes adjacent > channels, which can be a major problem. If you were to travel between > markets with stations on 98.5 in one and 98.1 in the other, the digital > carriers will overlap on 98.3. It gets even worse in the educational band > where stations are placed on a contour basis. On the east side of St. Paul, > MN, you could have 88.7 from River Falls, WI, and 88.5 from the > Minneapolis/St. Paul area each wiping out the other's analog. > > IBOC is extremely expensive and for the first time in history requires a > proprietary system to be used. It requires a second transmitter, and a new > antenna (FM), or broadbanding of the antenna array (MW) far in excess of > what's required for even AM stereo. These expenses could put many smaller > stations off the air entirely. And why would it be necessary when DSP in > the receiver can accomplish the overwhelming majority of tasks that IBOC is > being asked to do? That's why I don't like it. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "scotthatley" > > > > what do you think is wrong with IBOC? From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 16:09:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45531 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 00:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 00:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 00:09:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20031215000924.56818.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.32] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:09:24 PST Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:09:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: From another group I subscribe too To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004a01c3c27f$cb3fd860$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.38 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Hi, To my knowledge RNZ has no plans to turn off any transmitters at this time - the charter charges us with making the service available to as many people as possible - and AM covers around 97% of the population, with sky digi an option for the remainder. Due to the technical specs of FM, it will never (cost-effectively) do as well. Going back to Jon Mosen's Q a while back (Hi!), This is also partly why Nat Rad is currently FM mono, rather than stereo. Better range & quality coverage in mono. Apart from the significant additional electricity and distribution cost of broadcasting in stereo, at the current time the programmes which are scheduled during peak listenership (being primarily talk based) would not benefit much from stereo, although it is sad for music and drama programme listeners. yes. We are (technically) able to add stereo to the FM transmitters later. AM stereo guy - forget it. it's not going to happen. why would we expect our listeners buy a separate tuner just for us? it's totally against the public broadcasting concept of being for all people (some of the time) Personally I thought the Coddington document had some interesting points, also some flaws; but as I live in Musicland (where we produced quite a few programmes around the business and industry of music over the past year, none of which would 'count' within that doc), I'll leave any rebuttal to others. FYI: The Dunedin National Radio FM transmitter is now on. Its frequency is 101.4 MHZ. Ha! LIISA >>> jmost@paradise.net.nz 12/12/03 04:34 >>> > Liisa, > > Do you think RNZ will turn off all the AM transmitters one day? > Or leave a few going (such as the big powerful one in Titahi Bay)? ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 16:26:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32606 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 00:26:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 00:26:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 00:26:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20031215002607.68299.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.79] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:26:07 PST Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:26:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Dave wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... > wrote: > > Digital radio has been proven NOT to eliminate > hiss and > crackle...just listen > > to your digital phones! There's just too much > distortion. Just take > note of > > the U.S. experience with the failed IBOC-DAB > system. WELL there's no hiss and crackle on digital phones, but the audio quality will give you a headache. > What ?? Of course it has. Ths is the very thing > which sets DAB apart > from AM / FM. I'd rather have AM or FM over a heavily data rate compressed digitgal. NOT fun to listen to. Certainly not high fidelity. Also Digital mobile phones are far > better than the old > analogue types. It proves that digital modes are far > more robust than > analogue modes I have NEVER heard a digital phone that sounded good. Digital modes are NOT more robust than analog under any circumstances. They might take up less bandwidth, but more robust, absolutely not. Powell W4OPW and sometimes even WKDK ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dav259@csiro.au Sun Dec 14 16:26:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43304 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 00:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 00:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 00:26:30 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBF0QPJY003991 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:26:29 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:26:25 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} From another group I subscribe too In-Reply-To: <20031215000924.56818.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: > Going back to Jon Mosen's Q a while back (Hi!), This > is also partly why Nat Rad is currently FM mono, rather > than stereo. > Better range & quality coverage in mono. > Apart from the significant additional electricity and > distribution cost of broadcasting in stereo, at the > current time the programmes which are scheduled during > peak listenership (being primarily talk based) would not > benefit much from stereo, although it is sad for music > and drama programme listeners. yes. Sad indeed that NZ's biggest radio broadcaster doesn't broadcast state of the art FM - which is stereo! I've never heard that FM mono's range is greater than FM stereo. I expect that's why FM generally has two positions mono and stereo. If the stereo signal gets flaky you switch it to mono. > We are (technically) able to add stereo to the FM > transmitters later. Why wait? Why not go back to B+W TV? Ian From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 16:27:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24820 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 00:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 00:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 00:27:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20031215002757.68565.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.79] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:27:57 PST Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:27:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WGTO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW > 50,000 Watt WCSZ 1070 is licensed to San Souci, a > Greenville SLUM, for the > same reason. > > Kevin And there is no such town there, either. ( Well anymore ). A Columbia FM is licensed to St. Andrews. That's an "area" of Columbia, but no such town. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 16:36:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7946 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 00:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 00:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 00:36:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20031215003628.86318.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.32] by web41203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:36:28 PST Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:36:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT FM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.36 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Try and dx it on Auckland on 101.4mHz its enough away from Mix 101.1 and Triple M on 101.9 in Melbourne.(with the hot weather we had lately I heard somewhere in the Islands(Noumea?) on 88.0 and 102.1(Presumed it was Brisbane) Otherwise you can hear it on skywave on 756AM it makes the stereo light flicker on AM but just whooshes with no separation. The others are owned by UCB holdings(Rhema) Canwest and The Radio Network so theres no private ones these days. Michael --- Ian Davidson wrote: > On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: > > Sad indeed that NZ's biggest radio broadcaster > doesn't broadcast state of > the art FM - which is stereo! > > I've never heard that FM mono's range is greater > than FM stereo. I expect > that's why FM generally has two positions mono and > stereo. If the stereo > signal gets flaky you switch it to mono. > > > > We are (technically) able to add stereo to the FM > > transmitters later. > > Why wait? Why not go back to B+W TV? > > > Ian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Dec 14 17:02:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82058 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 01:02:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 01:02:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 01:02:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 01:02:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:02:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031215002607.68299.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1526 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.19.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Dave wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... > > wrote: > > > Digital radio has been proven NOT to eliminate > > hiss and > > crackle...just listen > > > to your digital phones! There's just too much > > distortion. Just take > > note of > > > the U.S. experience with the failed IBOC-DAB > > system. > > WELL there's no hiss and crackle on digital phones, > but the audio quality will give you a headache. > > > > > What ?? Of course it has. Ths is the very thing > > which sets DAB apart > > from AM / FM. > > I'd rather have AM or FM over a heavily data rate > compressed digitgal. NOT fun to listen to. Certainly > not high fidelity. NO no in reality it's not like that. YOu're not aware of any compression. DAB uses MP2 compression which is far better than MP3 It can be very high fidelity, certainly at 192k or higher > Also Digital mobile phones are far > > better than the old > > analogue types. It proves that digital modes are far > > more robust than > > analogue modes > > > I have NEVER heard a digital phone that sounded good. > Digital modes are NOT more robust than analog under > any circumstances. They might take up less bandwidth, > but more robust, absolutely not. > Well perhaps the US networks are not too good - poor coverage ? - but the UK's o2 network I use sounds fine to me on my Nokia 3330. All networks here have very good coverage From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 14 17:19:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96467 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 01:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 01:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 01:19:25 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031215011923.CQIV3322.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:19:23 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:19:34 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.244 From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sunday, December 14, 2003, at 05:02 PM, Dave wrote: > > I'd rather have AM or FM over a heavily data rate > > compressed digitgal. NOT fun to listen to. Certainly > > not high fidelity. > > NO no in reality it's not like that. YOu're not aware of any > compression. DAB uses MP2 compression which is far better than MP3 > It can be very high fidelity, certainly at 192k or higher But IBOC isn't that high. > > > Also Digital mobile phones are far > > > better than the old > > > analogue types. It proves that digital modes are far > > > more robust than > > > analogue modes > > > > > > I have NEVER heard a digital phone that sounded good. > > Digital modes are NOT more robust than analog under > > any circumstances. They might take up less bandwidth, > > but more robust, absolutely not. > > > > Well perhaps the US networks are not too good - poor coverage ? - but > the UK's o2 network I use sounds fine to me on my Nokia 3330. All > networks here have very good coverage Digital phones sound fine to me as well. But voice is much easier than music. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 17:30:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24930 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 01:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 01:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 01:30:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 01:30:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:30:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} From another group I subscribe too Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 743 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: > I've never heard that FM mono's range is greater than FM stereo. I expect > that's why FM generally has two positions mono and stereo. If the stereo > signal gets flaky you switch it to mono. An FM-stereo pilot and subcarrier system effectively adds to total modulation power, so to maintain a certain power output, you must decide between stereo with reduced coverage, or mono with greater coverage. Subcarrier services like RDS and SCA further eat into the total power distribution, even though they can make money- It still means a reduced signal. Add IBOC to the mix, and......forget it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 18:32:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16097 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 02:32:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 02:32:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 02:32:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20031215023242.43324.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:32:42 PST Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:32:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Why IBOC is a poor choice for the AM band. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio scotthatley" asked: "what do you think is wrong with IBOC?" In My Opinion, just a few major problems with DAB/IBOC/HDradio on the AM Band: 1) In most situations, IBOC does not sound better than C-Quam AM stereo received on a decent bandwidth CQuam stereo AM radio. Just listen to the airchecks on the Fanfare electronics website and compare those to iBiquity. Try a Fanfare tuner, a Digiceiver, an Omega tuner or a Symphony chipset tuner and see how digital enhancements to analog AM are a better solution than IBOC. 2) Based on the horrendous adjacent channel interference I heard on WOWO 1190 from a station in Michigan on 1200, it was destructive to the existing analog AM stations and rendors them useless in this case. Also, the intentional IBOC on/off test on 1530 WSAI proved that its sidebands could wipe-out 1540 Iowa every-other minute. 3) The digital artifacts on the website are not an improvement to analog. I thought the idea was to sound BETTER than satellite radio, not as crappy or worse than satellite's "exhausting sound". IMO, better options are to make 1/2 the AM broadcast band all clear channel frequencies (1 channel per frequency-type not the corporation)and 1/2 all locals, and then make a new digital ONLY band (ask the hams to trade the rest of the 220 band for the AM and LW bands?). And mandate sampling rates so that it actually could be a decent sound. Figure out a way to use the Sony ATRAC minidisc encoding on a new broadcast band, and I could live with that. Any questions? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Dec 14 18:44:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22230 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 02:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 02:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 02:44:03 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBF2i3Nm020760 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:44:03 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBF2i3w15071 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:44:03 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBF2i3r15052 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:44:03 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:44:02 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F472FF@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Why IBOC is a poor choice for the AM band. Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:44:00 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Or an even easier way - free up some VHF channels and use Eureka - the portable radio's are dropping in price every way. Why re-invent the wheel!? Shock, horror, the US digital radio system will then be compatible with the rest of the world and receiver prices will plummet! :) :) -----Original Message----- From: John P. [mailto:toledohamradio@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 15 December 2003 12:33 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Why IBOC is a poor choice for the AM band. IMO, better options are to make 1/2 the AM broadcast band all clear channel frequencies (1 channel per frequency-type not the corporation)and 1/2 all locals, and then make a new digital ONLY band (ask the hams to trade the rest of the 220 band for the AM and LW bands?). And mandate sampling rates so that it actually could be a decent sound. Figure out a way to use the Sony ATRAC minidisc encoding on a new broadcast band, and I could live with that. Any questions? From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 18:52:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68271 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 02:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 02:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 02:51:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 02:51:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:51:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why IBOC is a poor choice for the AM band. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F472FF@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 510 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Or an even easier way - free up some VHF channels and use Eureka - the > portable radio's are dropping in price every way. > > Why re-invent the wheel!? > > Shock, horror, the US digital radio system will then be compatible with the > rest of the world and receiver prices will plummet! :) > :) American manufacturing would win either way-- Texas Instruments makes most of the DAB and IBOC chipsets. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 18:57:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54871 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 02:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 02:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 02:57:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20031215025648.39897.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.32] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:56:48 PST Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:56:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why IBOC is a poor choice for the AM band. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031215023242.43324.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.41 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Leave the current AM/FM band analogue and do experiments with different digital mediums on higher frequencies. Michael --- "John P." wrote: > scotthatley" asked: > "what do you think is wrong with IBOC?" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Dec 14 19:02:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73270 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 03:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 03:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 03:02:36 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBF32UNm022928 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:02:30 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBF32Uw27030 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:02:30 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBF32Ur27022 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:02:30 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:02:30 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47300@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Why IBOC is a poor choice for the AM band. Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:02:26 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Yes true true.. and Harris bought a European company called "Itis" for all their Eureka DAB experience and are busy marketing it in Europe and Asia. So the US companies like TI and Harris are working hard to ensure they don't lose their overseas customers because of IBOC! -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 15 December 2003 12:52 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why IBOC is a poor choice for the AM band. American manufacturing would win either way-- Texas Instruments makes most of the DAB and IBOC chipsets. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Dec 14 19:15:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9710 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 03:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 03:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 03:15:41 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.219.52.33]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031215031541.MXRL2906.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:15:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c3c2b9$ba1d0c30$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: WGTO Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:15:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.68 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While we're on the subject of odd 'cities' of license....There's another radio station in Florida, WPTK/1200 (ex-AM Stereo WDCQ), that is licensed to Pine Island Center, Fla....Pine Island Center is literally the CENTER of Pine Island, nothing more! --tony s. WDCQ-1200 was a great sounding AM Stereo station. I remember their AC/Oldies format back in the 80's. I used to listen with my SRF A100 from my fishing hole on the west side of Lake Okeechobee. Back then WMEL-920 was also AM Stereo. Both stations came in great at the fishing hole. Remember the 860 Station (no longer around) from Cocoa I think ? Not Stereo but another facility that had coll programming on AM. This station sadly went dark. I do not know the details.... Juan Ft. Pierce, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Dec 14 21:05:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93774 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 05:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 05:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 05:05:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 05:05:08 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52884 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 04:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 04:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 04:33:06 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.16a.27beb38a (657) for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:32:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <16a.27beb38a.2d0e936f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:32:47 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.8 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Dec 2003 05:05:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 Yes, Dave...but they (cellular phones) sound DISTORTED when you go into a weak signal area. Just listen to an Internet radio station using a dial-up modem. That's exactly what it sounds like. This is why DAB is not going over very well in Europe and Canada. This is why IBOC will never succeed. You don't get that kind of signal distortion and degradation with an analog signal. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Dec 14 21:05:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94727 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 05:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 05:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 05:05:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 05:05:34 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7936 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 04:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 04:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 04:33:08 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.181.249a3821 (657) for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:32:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <181.249a3821.2d0e936e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:32:46 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WGTO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.6 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Dec 2003 05:05:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 That South Carolina station was WRIX at 1020 AM...they also had an FM station on 103.1 in nearby Honea Path, SC. Until 1995, East St. Louis, IL only had one radio station: WESL on 1490 kHz. They were among the first in the St. Louis area to convert to AM Stereo; they did so in 1984. In 1995, when KSTL 690 went full time, they apparently changed their city of license from St. Louis, MO to East St. Louis, IL. As for 540...it's now WFLF, wasting airspace with a News/Talk format from an owner who knows how to waste airspace with worthless programming: Clear Channel. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 21:12:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63703 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 05:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 05:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 05:12:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 05:12:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 05:12:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16a.27beb38a.2d0e936f@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 996 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Yes, Dave...but they (cellular phones) sound DISTORTED when you go into a > weak signal area. Just listen to an Internet radio station using a dial-up modem. Eric, don't judge European cellphone audio quality on the basis of US cellphones. There really is a difference. > That's exactly what it sounds like. This is why DAB is not going over very > well in Europe and Canada. This is why IBOC will never succeed. You don't get > that kind of signal distortion and degradation with an analog signal. You have never heard DAB, I take it? I have. It is quite good, actually. The problem with Canadian DAB is the very limited reception coverage, NOT the audio. In the UK and many parts of Europe, the opposite is quite true. The reason DAB has been going slowly outside of the UK is largely due to the high price of DAB receivers. They want to go under 100 euros before they really start buying DAB! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 23:44:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70590 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 07:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 07:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 07:44:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 07:44:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:44:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Motorola Symphony = Blaupunkt TwinCeiver Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2194 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I found this on another message board... it appears that the DSP- based Motorola Symphony receiver chipset is already on the market, but not under that name.... Subject: [BC] The Irony of HD Radio From: Mark W. Croom broadcast@broadcast.net Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:07:50 -0600 "That new analog/DSP chipset" is already on the market. It's the DSP guts of the new TwinCeiver from Blaupunkt. At the Broadcasters' Clinic in Madison we learned that Motorola manufactures those chips for Bosch, and they were working on some software tweaks as they prepared to make their own version for market. The Blaupunkt guy told us that was story behind the hyped Moto "Symphony" chipset. The older version of the receiver works great. I wish I could afford one of the new ones. It's got a two-tuner system and uses DSP to combine the output of the two antennas to create a sort of directional antenna for FM. It makes perfect sense that this would reduce the effects of multipath, and would extend the effective usable range in analog, because of antenna directionality and gain. They also have all sorts of cool digital noise blanking and stuff in DSP, too. Check it out at www.crutchfield.com . There is a tab with more detail than you see on the first page: http://tinyurl.com/z9v1 Mark MN ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [BC] The Irony of HD Radio In a message dated 10/26/2003 1:24:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, rfry@adams.net writes: > Especially in the case of FM, if receivers going back 10 years or > so had the improvements needed now in their RF, IF and demod > performance to best handle HD, that likely would have eliminated > much of the rationale used to justify HD radio. If that new analog/DSP chipset ever makes it to market, and widespread use, I think HD may become a moot point. Why make dozens of thousands of dollars worth of upgrades, etc. to the (otherwise good condition) TX site, when a few chips in the receivers will make a *dramatic* performacnce improvement? :) I like DSP. I hope to see a receiver on the market, soon! :) Willie... From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 00:48:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8069 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 08:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 08:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.34) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 08:48:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20031215084825.75962.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.32] by web41201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:48:25 PST Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:48:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.34 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Can you send the group a Mp3 of "DAB" please? Michael --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... > wrote: > You have never heard DAB, I take it? I have. It is > quite good, > actually. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 02:03:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87090 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 10:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 10:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 10:03:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 10:02:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:02:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031215084825.75962.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 317 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Can you send the group a Mp3 of "DAB" please? http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/digital_radio_samples.htm These are all in bit-for-bit (unconverted) .mp2 format. WinAmp and most MP3 players should play .mp2 fine. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Dec 15 06:08:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28751 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 14:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 14:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 14:08:08 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBFE865l015288 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:08:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003601c3c314$dd9704d0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <000601c3c2b9$ba1d0c30$af78fea9@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: WGTO Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:08:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Remember the 860 Station (no longer around) from Cocoa I think ? Not Stereo but another facility that had coll programming on AM. > > This station sadly went dark. I do not know the details.... I worked at 860 in Cocoa Florida toward the end of it's Top 40 heyday in 1974-1975. It was very early in my carreer... station #3 I believe. The calls were WKKO (long before they went to that FM Country Station in Toledo). It was a heratage Top 40 but they were a daytimer on 860. They had an incredible signal for a 1KW daytimer (well they did get 180 watts at night in the mid 80's). The owners during the heyday period (1965 thru 1974) applied for and received a construction permit to upgrade to a class B with 1KW U, DAN but it never got built and the CP expired in 1975. The station was sold in early 1975 and by that time FM was beginning to gather steam and WCKS (101.1 Cocoa Beach) also flipped from elevator music to Top 40 (although they were still a year or two away from becoming CK-101), but the damage from the other Top 40's; WRKT 1300 Cocoa Beach and WMEL 920 in Melbourne was irreversible. In addition, the economy in Brevard Country was horrible. Kennedy Space center had completed John Kennedy's mandate to reach the moon and the Apollo program was history. The Shuttle was still a dream and unfunded, so they laid off a zillion Space Center employees. Then there was Harris Corp in Melbourne, and they were going through a rough time too (with lots of layoffs) and the Arab oil embargo in 1973 and skyrocketing gas prices (gas went from 30 cents a gallon to a buck almost overnight) just killed the economy. WKKO hung on a few a few more years but every time I visited Cocoa, they had re-invented themselves. At one time they were playing oldies, then they became a 24-hour PSA station (delivering community announcements repeatedly with no live talent) and they also went through an Urban stage (the FOX I believe). In the late 80's or early 90's I frequently visited and found them silent, but the next trip would find them back on the air. Finally at some time in 93 or so they went dark, never to return. There were deleted from the FCC records in 1994. I was in Cocoa a year ago and drove by the old studios at 200 South Burnett Rd.... They have been converted to an apartment or other living dwelling, the surrounding swampland has been cleared out (I'd love to share my snake stories but this is already too long), yet their 400' tower stands proudly (with no tenants-no Cell Phone, UHF repeaters or business band antennas) as a monument to a once-great station. The tower is located just off I-95 at the Cocoa Exit (SR 520). Boy could I share stories about that place.... From scotthatley@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 07:21:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scotthatley@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33236 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 15:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 15:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 15:21:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 15:20:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:20:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why IBOC is a poor choice for the AM band. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47300@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 156 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "scotthatley" X-Originating-IP: 172.161.189.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70828542 X-Yahoo-Profile: scotthatley Anyone know why the US did not adopt Eurika 147 and instead went with IBOC? I thought it was because the frequencies are not available for use in the US. From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Dec 15 07:47:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67079 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 15:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 15:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 15:47:15 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.219.52.33]) by imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031215154712.RPCU27696.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:47:12 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c3c322$b459bc30$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <000601c3c2b9$ba1d0c30$af78fea9@juan> <003601c3c314$dd9704d0$6401a8c0@jimspc> Subject: OT: 860 WKKO Cocoa Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:47:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.72 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (JIm Burgan wrote) I worked at 860 in Cocoa Florida toward the end of it's Top 40 heyday in 1974-1975. It was very early in my carreer... station #3 I believe. The calls were WKKO (long before they went to that FM Country Station in Toledo). It was a heratage Top 40 but they were a daytimer on 860. They had an incredible signal for a 1KW daytimer (well they did get 180 watts at night in the mid 80's). The owners during the heyday period (1965 thru 1974) applied for and received a construction permit to upgrade to a class B with 1KW U, DAN but it never got built and the CP expired in 1975. The station was sold in early 1975 and by that time FM was beginning to gather steam and WCKS (101.1 Cocoa Beach) also flipped from elevator music to Top 40 (although they were still a year or two away from becoming CK-101), but the damage from the other Top 40's; WRKT 1300 Cocoa Beach and WMEL 920 in Melbourne was irreversible. In addition, the economy in Brevard Country was horrible. Kennedy Space center had completed John Kennedy's mandate to reach the moon and the Apollo program was history. The Shuttle was still a dream and unfunded, so they laid off a zillion Space Center employees. Then there was Harris Corp in Melbourne, and they were going through a rough time too (with lots of layoffs) and the Arab oil embargo in 1973 and skyrocketing gas prices (gas went from 30 cents a gallon to a buck almost overnight) just killed the economy. WKKO hung on a few a few more years but every time I visited Cocoa, they had re-invented themselves. At one time they were playing oldies, then they became a 24-hour PSA station (delivering community announcements repeatedly with no live talent) and they also went through an Urban stage (the FOX I believe). In the late 80's or early 90's I frequently visited and found them silent, but the next trip would find them back on the air. Finally at some time in 93 or so they went dark, never to return. There were deleted from the FCC records in 1994. I was in Cocoa a year ago and drove by the old studios at 200 South Burnett Rd.... They have been converted to an apartment or other living dwelling, the surrounding swampland has been cleared out (I'd love to share my snake stories but this is already too long), yet their 400' tower stands proudly (with no tenants-no Cell Phone, UHF repeaters or business band antennas) as a monument to a once-great station. The tower is located just off I-95 at the Cocoa Exit (SR 520). Boy could I share stories about that place.... I would love to hear those stories ! I remember the 860 station had a killer signal. I remember the Top 40 days and the Urban format also. I first heard it when I was passing through in 75 or 76. A former co-worker and friend, Michael W. Lowe told me a few stories about the station as did Mike Walker, who is a co-worker now doing sales. Come to think of it, Mike Walker may have worked at CK-101.....oh well. The station sure has some neat history. It's so sad that it is silent though... Juan WGNX WTTB Fort Pierce, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Dec 15 08:12:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95083 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 16:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 16:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 16:12:16 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.219.52.33]) by imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031215161215.ULRN22452.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:12:15 -0500 Message-ID: <004001c3c326$342242e0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <000601c3c2b9$ba1d0c30$af78fea9@juan> <003601c3c314$dd9704d0$6401a8c0@jimspc> <003101c3c322$b459bc30$af78fea9@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: 860 WKKO Cocoa Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:12:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.69 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Jim Burgan wrote) ...their 400' tower stands proudly (with no tenants-no Cell Phone, UHF repeaters or business band antennas) as a monument to a once-great station. The tower is located just off I-95 at the Cocoa Exit (SR 520). Boy could I share stories about that place.... I was under the impression that the tower was taken down, but that was from an unreliable source. I'll have to check it out next time I go north. Someone told me they saw the WKKO equitment for sale in Radio World. I never could verify it though. Juan Fort Pierce, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Dec 15 08:21:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39271 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 16:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 16:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 16:21:32 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-38-53.rev.o1.com [66.81.38.53]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hBFGLTC73890; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:21:30 -0800 Message-ID: <000901c3c327$12906660$35265142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: Harris AMS G1 Am Stereo Exciter Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:18:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi I got a guote about the Harris AMS G1 Am Stereo Exciter. Thay are still not that cheap. At 610 AM one of thoughs out the door $2,598.58. Bummer i was hopeing for under $1,000 because of IBOC. If any buddy wants to see it go to www.harris.com and put in the search box c-quam. Oh well so much for drooling. Jim Smith From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Dec 15 08:28:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81460 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 16:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 16:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 16:28:00 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031215162800.JYEF3322.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:28:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:27:56 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why IBOC is a poor choice for the AM band. Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.244 From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Because the NAB wanted status quo. No new stations, everything as it is now. On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 07:20 AM, scotthatley wrote: > Anyone know why the US did not adopt Eurika 147 and instead went > with IBOC? I thought it was because the frequencies are not > available for use in the US. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 09:47:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59591 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 17:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 17:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 17:47:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 17:47:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:47:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why IBOC is a poor choice for the AM band. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 406 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "scotthatley" wrote: > Anyone know why the US did not adopt Eurika 147 and instead went > with IBOC? I thought it was because the frequencies are not > available for use in the US. Big-money corporate interests who didn't want to be subject to a foreign-born technology. (The CD, VHS and DVD were all overseas technologies.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Dec 15 10:36:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3100 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 18:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 18:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 18:35:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 18:35:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:35:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 283 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.6.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan > > NO no in reality it's not like that. YOu're not aware of any > > compression. DAB uses MP2 compression which is far better than MP3 > > It can be very high fidelity, certainly at 192k or higher > > But IBOC isn't that high. I was meaning DAB though. I don't know about IBOC From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 10:39:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85520 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 18:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 18:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 18:39:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 18:39:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:39:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Harris AMS G1 Am Stereo Exciter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c3c327$12906660$35265142@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 547 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Hi I got a guote about the Harris AMS G1 Am Stereo Exciter. Thay > are still not that cheap. At 610 AM one of thoughs out the door > $2,598.58. That _is_ cheap compared to an IBOC exciter -- B.E.'s AM IBOC exciter will set you back a cool $22,950. And to make it work, you'll need an STL with 15 kHz audio bandwidth and 72 dB S/N ratio, an antenna array with 1.4:1 SWR or less across a 30 kHz bandwidth (+/- 15 kHz), as well as a separate audio processor for the digital audio, such as the Optimod 6200, with a list price of $6250. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Dec 15 10:46:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78587 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 18:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 18:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 18:46:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 18:45:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:45:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16a.27beb38a.2d0e936f@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 984 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.6.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Yes, Dave...but they (cellular phones) sound DISTORTED when you go into a > weak signal area. Just listen to an Internet radio station using a dial-up modem. > That's exactly what it sounds like. This is why DAB is not going over very > well in Europe and Canada. This is why IBOC will never succeed. You don't get > that kind of signal distortion and degradation with an analog signal. > NO it's not distortion I think you mean. You get a bubbling effect with a weak digital signal. I'm noticing with DAB anyway the signal can be over half that of a comparable FM siagnal and as long as the error rate is above 15 or so reception os perfect. Yes it seems DAB is not that popular - yet anyway - in other parts of the globe. At the moment it's a UK thing - prices are comning down here there's heeps of radio's now in all forms... The US should start some DAB tests IMO then you can judge for yourself! From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Dec 15 10:50:28 2003 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Dec 15 10:53:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60026 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 18:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 18:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 18:53:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 18:53:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:53:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031215084825.75962.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 352 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.6.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross > wrote: > > Can you send the group a Mp3 of "DAB" please? > > > > THere's some on the files section on Scott's DAB yahoo group. The > Saga Radio Jingles and the Radio 2 file were uploaded by me ;- From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 13:06:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95984 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 21:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 21:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 21:06:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20031215210550.88535.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.20.154.74] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:05:50 PST Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:05:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Dave wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > I have NEVER heard a digital phone that sounded > good. > > Digital modes are NOT more robust than analog > under > > any circumstances. They might take up less > bandwidth, > > but more robust, absolutely not. > > > > Well perhaps the US networks are not too good - poor > coverage ? - but > the UK's o2 network I use sounds fine to me on my > Nokia 3330. All > networks here have very good coverage Coverage is good but audio quality is not. Remember we do NOT have much GSM here, just starting the conversion. The systems should have been GSM from the start. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 13:11:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96347 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 21:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 21:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 21:11:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20031215211137.7487.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.20.154.74] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:11:37 PST Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:11:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why IBOC is a poor choice for the AM band. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- scotthatley wrote: > Anyone know why the US did not adopt Eurika 147 and > instead went > with IBOC? I thought it was because the frequencies > are not > available for use in the US. That's the CLAIM the NAB and big broadcasters want you to believe. DAB put all players on an even field and that just didn't sit right with the big players. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From brian60420@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 13:27:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7835 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 21:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 21:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60606.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.244) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 21:27:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20031215212734.79955.qmail@web60606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.24.179.208] by web60606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:27:34 PST Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:27:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1030 WBZ - now With BuZzing IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.244 From: brian60420 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know how much ASCAP/BMI is charging for licence fees these days? Per song? Per day? Pardon my radio new-bee questions. If it's so expensive, how expensive is it? Is it more than 10 - 20 years ago? brian >Amy Mousie wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Assuming he can pay the extortionary ASCAP/BMI license fees... > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brian60420" > > > > Even the little guy can roll his favorite tunes for the entire world to > hear. >Being a "pirate" broadcaster on the internet is far easier than >broadcast-- It simply requires not leaving the internet equivalent of >a paper trail- That is, not linked to anyone. >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scotthatley@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 14:00:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scotthatley@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83431 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 22:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 22:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 22:00:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 22:00:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:00:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why IBOC is a poor choice for the AM band. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031215211137.7487.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 569 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "scotthatley" X-Originating-IP: 172.161.189.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70828542 X-Yahoo-Profile: scotthatley Hmm interesting. The ownership rules over here are about to chance allowing foreign companies to buy up stations. I'm getting more and more worried about Clear channel. I've heard so many rumours. > > > That's the CLAIM the NAB and big broadcasters want you > to believe. DAB put all players on an even field and > that just didn't sit right with the big players. > > Powell > > ===== > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 14:05:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98502 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 22:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 22:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 22:05:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20031215220536.96271.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.32] by web41203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:05:36 PST Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:05:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: OT You think some of our radio group topics are stupid... look at this To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.36 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus You think some of our radio group topics are stupid This is off our dumb local radio group that shuns AM Stereo if mentioned. Atten Ian too It was replied too with the html tags left in as well so left in to show our AMS groups arn't so bad " afterall. Michael That's right blame Santa! > Sorry for that - I certainly wasn't speaking as an > academic. A bit
inflamed and the tone never > comes across on email like it should. A
case of > 'send now, regret later'. The end of a long and hard > day and
this time of year really gets on my > nerves.
Gotta say I always enjoy your posts. I > see Joe Atkinson is wading in
to the Coddington > document in the Herald this monring too.
Hmmm, > something about her really irritates me and that didn't > help my
mood when I sent that post.
> Oh well, enough grovelling! Let's get on with our > lives and trying
to dodge Xmas carols ...
__________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dav259@csiro.au Mon Dec 15 14:12:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69146 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 22:12:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 22:12:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 22:12:30 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBFMCPJY011607 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:12:29 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:12:25 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why IBOC is a poor choice for the AM band. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, scotthatley wrote: > Hmm interesting. The ownership rules over here are about to change > allowing foreign companies to buy up stations. I'm getting more and > more worried about Clear channel. I've heard so many rumours. I expect most of the rumours are true Scott. They already control the second biggest commercial network here and have done nothing to improve Oz radio unless you can call sackings and networking progress. Ian Melbourne From scotthatley@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 14:48:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scotthatley@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 241 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 22:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 22:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 22:48:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 22:48:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:48:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why IBOC is a poor choice for the AM band. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 348 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "scotthatley" X-Originating-IP: 172.161.189.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70828542 X-Yahoo-Profile: scotthatley We already have those problems over here due to GWR. But I expect them to get worse if clear channel step in. > > I expect most of the rumours are true Scott. They already control the > second biggest commercial network here and have done nothing to improve Oz > radio unless you can call sackings and networking progress. > > Ian > Melbourne From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 14:52:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65098 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 22:52:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 22:52:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 22:52:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 22:52:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:52:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031215210550.88535.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 430 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > Coverage is good but audio quality is not. Remember we > do NOT have much GSM here, just starting the > conversion. The systems should have been GSM from the > start. And it wasn't GSM for the same reason why we have IBOC, now- European technology- Can't have THAT in america! Look what it's done with the CD and DVD! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 14:53:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1051 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 22:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 22:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 22:53:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 22:53:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:53:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why IBOC is a poor choice for the AM band. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031215211137.7487.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 550 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- scotthatley wrote: > > Anyone know why the US did not adopt Eurika 147 and > > instead went > > with IBOC? I thought it was because the frequencies > > are not > > available for use in the US. > > > That's the CLAIM the NAB and big broadcasters want you > to believe. DAB put all players on an even field and > that just didn't sit right with the big players. Not level, actually- Just a DIFFERENT playing field. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 15:05:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91039 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 23:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 23:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 23:05:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 23:05:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:05:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: 1030 WBZ - now With BuZzing IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031215212734.79955.qmail@web60606.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, brian60420 wrote: > Does anyone know how much ASCAP/BMI is charging for licence fees these days? Per song? Per day? Pardon my radio new-bee questions. If it's so expensive, how expensive is it? Is it more than 10 - 20 years ago? Technically, there isn't supposed to be, since it's a form of reverse payola. (Does ANYONE remember the payola scandals of the late '50s and early '60s??) Up until about 10-15 years ago, stations were offered promos to play on air- It was free advertizing for the music industry, and that's how they had seen it. Since the mid '80s, the RIAA (which includes ASCAP and BMI) has been demanding royalties of .2 to .7 of a cent per song per play, based on averages, and as such, are billed accordingly. It was not hard for stations to be billed for $2000 per month just for royalties. This is why stations either dropped music formats or went to syndication- At least in syndication, if they are charged at all (the network eats it with advertizing), it's being divided across a significant number of stations, reducing cost significantly. Just one of many greedy hands responsible for the fiasco that is radio in the US today. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 15:06:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60615 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 23:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 23:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 23:06:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 23:06:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:06:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why IBOC is a poor choice for the AM band. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 329 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "scotthatley" wrote: > Hmm interesting. The ownership rules over here are about to chance > allowing foreign companies to buy up stations. I'm getting more and > more worried about Clear channel. I've heard so many rumours. Worry. Greatly. Period. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Dec 15 15:41:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43559 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 23:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 23:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 23:41:27 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.d5.159b876 (4238) for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:41:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:41:22 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jeff Welton from Nautel? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.36 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > is it just me, or is that new BE transmitter putting > out a stronger signal than the raytheon? >=20 Common Point power is the same now as it was with the Raytheon and the fiel= d=20 strength measurements did not change after the install.However with the=20 buckets of rain fall over the past several weeks may have "helped"...at lea= st for=20 now until everything drys up....then the snow will come of course.Rain fall= here=20 has left nearly a quarter foot of water in the field around the=20 towers,ditches have been overflowing,swamps overflowing,city streets have b= een=20 flooding...even enough to cause the city/county schools to have to close fo= r a day. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 15:54:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49934 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 23:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 23:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 23:54:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 23:54:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:54:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: 860 WKKO Cocoa Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003101c3c322$b459bc30$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1667 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 every time I > visited Cocoa, they had re-invented themselves. I think they went AC sometime in the 80s, then perhaps to Jazz (as WJZX)....Believe it or not, I think they attempted a revival to Top 40 sometime in the mid-80s, after CK-101 had 'moved in' to Orlando as AC WSTF "Star 101", 860 grabbed the WCKS call letters and I believe did Top 40 before (I think) going dark, then coming back on as WWKO with a religious format (the WKKO calls were taken, and I think that's as close as they could get)..By early '90, they were Urban "KO 860", then by early '91, still Urban, but known as "Rhythm 86" and with improved processing"..Later they evolved to Urban AC. > then they became a 24-hour PSA station (delivering community > announcements repeatedly with no live talent) You're thinking of "Take Ten Radio"..A 10 minute loop of news and Kiwanis Club meeting announcements...A very poor man's attempt at all news radio....Someone told me that they used a rigged answering machine for that.....They got the "Short Attention Span" award at Billboard Magazine one year for that....Calls were WRFB "Radio For Brevard"...WRFB later became "Golden 860", an old style Beautiful Music station, and it was like this that the station was sold to the owners of WGUL/860 in Tampa, and silenced for good so that WGUL could improve its signal. It's a shame, but supposedly from what my former GM at WRUF (who was the former GM at WRKT/WSSP in Cocoa) told me, the station went through a line of owners that would fail at making payments, and the station would fall back on the hands of its old owner, who has (or had) Alzheimers. --Tony S./Miami From scotthatley@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 16:06:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scotthatley@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34587 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 00:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 00:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 00:06:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 00:06:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:06:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 225 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "scotthatley" X-Originating-IP: 172.161.189.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70828542 X-Yahoo-Profile: scotthatley I suppose the same goes for PAL and NTSC > > And it wasn't GSM for the same reason why we have IBOC, now- European > technology- Can't have THAT in america! Look what it's done with the > CD and DVD! > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 16:31:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74512 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 00:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 00:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 00:31:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 00:31:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:31:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 675 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "scotthatley" wrote: > I suppose the same goes for PAL and NTSC In reverse, you can say- Europe didn't want to use NTSC color or framerates, for technical reasons. In the end, PAL color actually is an enhancement of NTSC color by introducing alternating phase shifts per line, allowing for better color calibration, but is otherwise fundementally the same, except that chroma burst is at 4.43, instead of NTSC's 3.58 MHz. If you REALLY want to understand the difference (especially politically), it's France's inverted (positive) SECAM system to the rest of Europe's normal (negative) PAL. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 16:33:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20722 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 00:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 00:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 00:33:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 00:33:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:33:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ASCAP/BMI Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 884 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Just one of many greedy hands responsible for the fiasco that is > radio in the US today. Also remember that if a business plays the radio for the public (i.e. their customers) to hear, they're supposed to *also* play ASCAP/BMI royalty fees -- even though it's double-dipping because the radio station itself is already paying the fees. But enforcement of that rule is just about impossible -- just like how nobody seems to care when "For Promotional Use Only, Not For Sale" CDs end up for sale in used record stores (and yes, I have bought quite a few of those myself -- when I can get a used CD for $1.99 instead of a new one for > $15.00, the choice is obvious). But I'm not clear on one thing... if a song is marked as both ASCAP and BMI, does that mean royalties have to be paid to both companies, costing twice as much as a song that is only ASCAP or only BMI? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 16:49:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72830 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 00:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 00:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 00:49:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 00:49:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:49:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: incompatible standards - PAL, NTSC, etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 830 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I suppose the same goes for PAL and NTSC Don't forget SECAM, designed by the French to be purposely incompatible with the PAL system that the rest of Western Europe had begun using. Probably because of this incompatibility, SECAM was also adopted by the Communists throughout Russia and Eastern Europe. Speaking of which, I just got a PAL video tape from the U.K. which unfortunately doesn't work at all in my NTSC VCR. It is marked as "VHS Hi-Fi Stereo" but even the audio doesn't play properly -- it sounds like the Chipmunks with the speed wavering up and down. The box also says "Colour and Back & White" [sic] but I think that just means some of the video clips on it were recorded in B&W for special effects, because this is a video from 2000 and the British 405-line black & white TV system is long gone. From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Dec 15 17:18:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41211 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 01:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 01:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 01:18:00 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBG1HxNm004193 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:17:59 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBG1Hxw16069 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:17:59 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBG1Hxr16063 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:17:59 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:17:59 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47301@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: incompatible standards - PAL, NTSC, etc. Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:17:58 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 That's because the UK used NICAM Digital Stereo for Hi-Fi VHS recording. Read all about it and everything else to do with PAL, NTSC, Nicam & MTS here: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/WorldTV/ "NICAM - (full name: NICAM 728) Digital two-channel audio transmissions with sub-code selection of bi-lingual operation. Stereo digital signals with specifications approaching those of Compact Disc are possible. NICAM stands for Near Instantaneously Companded Audio Multiplex and uses a 14bit sample at a 32KHz sampling rate which produces a data stream of 728KBits/sec." -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2003 10:49 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: incompatible standards - PAL, NTSC, etc. Speaking of which, I just got a PAL video tape from the U.K. which unfortunately doesn't work at all in my NTSC VCR. It is marked as "VHS Hi-Fi Stereo" but even the audio doesn't play properly -- it sounds like the Chipmunks with the speed wavering up and down. The box also says "Colour and Back & White" [sic] but I think that just means some of the video clips on it were recorded in B&W for special effects, because this is a video from 2000 and the British 405-line black & white TV system is long gone. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Dec 15 17:23:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37066 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 01:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 01:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 01:23:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 01:23:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:23:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: incompatible standards - PAL, NTSC, etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47301@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 999 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.17.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > That's because the UK used NICAM Digital Stereo for Hi-Fi VHS recording. > > Read all about it and everything else to do with PAL, NTSC, Nicam & MTS > here: > > http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/WorldTV/ > > "NICAM - (full name: NICAM 728) Digital two-channel audio transmissions with > sub-code selection of bi-lingual operation. Stereo digital signals with > specifications approaching those of Compact Disc are possible. NICAM stands > for Near Instantaneously Companded Audio Multiplex and uses a 14bit sample > at a 32KHz sampling rate which produces a data stream of 728KBits/sec." > > In other words the best system for TV sound ever invented thanks to the boffins at the BBC. New Zealand and Hong Kong use it as well as France and many other European countries... Unfortunatly it will disapear when digital terrestrial take over in the UK and all analogue transmitters are switched off From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Dec 15 17:26:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21351 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 01:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 01:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 01:26:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 01:26:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:26:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: incompatible standards - PAL, NTSC, etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1062 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.17.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > I suppose the same goes for PAL and NTSC >=20 > Don't forget SECAM, designed by the French to be purposely=20 > incompatible with the PAL system that the rest of Western Europe=20 had=20 > begun using. Probably because of this incompatibility, SECAM was=20 > also adopted by the Communists throughout Russia and Eastern Europe. >=20 > Speaking of which, I just got a PAL video tape from the U.K. which=20 > unfortunately doesn't work at all in my NTSC VCR. It is marked as=20 > "VHS Hi-Fi Stereo" but even the audio doesn't play properly -- it=20 > sounds like the Chipmunks with the speed wavering up and down. The=20 > box also says "Colour and Back & White" [sic] but I think that just=20 > means some of the video clips on it were recorded in B&W for=20 special=20 > effects, because this is a video from 2000 and the British 405-line=20 > black & white TV system is long gone. Any new VCR brought in the UK will play NTSC tapes even the cheapo's=20 going for =A350. Is it not vice versa in the US then ? From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Dec 15 17:34:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11778 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 01:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 01:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 01:34:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 01:34:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:34:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 931 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.17.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "scotthatley" > wrote: > > I suppose the same goes for PAL and NTSC > > In reverse, you can say- Europe didn't want to use NTSC color or > framerates, for technical reasons. In the end, PAL color actually is > an enhancement of NTSC color by introducing alternating phase shifts > per line, allowing for better color calibration, but is otherwise > fundementally the same, except that chroma burst is at 4.43, instead > of NTSC's 3.58 MHz. > > If you REALLY want to understand the difference (especially > politically), it's France's inverted (positive) SECAM system to the > rest of Europe's normal (negative) PAL. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Often I've heard someone joke about the NTSC system - phone in shows etc - saying it stands for Never the Same Colour etc. Any truth in this ? From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 17:50:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4455 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 01:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 01:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 01:50:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20031216015025.52809.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.32] by web41203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:50:25 PST Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:50:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: incompatible standards - PAL, NTSC, etc. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.36 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus We use nicam here too plus quite a lot of our VCRs will play NTSC (We use pal C here). Michael --- Dave wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew > L" > wrote: > > That's because the UK used NICAM Digital Stereo > for Hi-Fi VHS > recording. > > > > Read all about it and everything else to do with > PAL, NTSC, Nicam & > MTS > > here: > > > > http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/WorldTV/ > > > > "NICAM - (full name: NICAM 728) Digital > two-channel audio > transmissions with > > sub-code selection of bi-lingual operation. Stereo > digital signals > with > > specifications approaching those of Compact Disc > are possible. > NICAM stands > > for Near Instantaneously Companded Audio Multiplex > and uses a 14bit > sample > > at a 32KHz sampling rate which produces a data > stream of > 728KBits/sec." > > > > > > In other words the best system for TV sound ever > invented thanks to > the boffins at the BBC. New Zealand and Hong Kong > use it as well as > France and many other European countries... > > Unfortunatly it will disapear when digital > terrestrial take over in > the UK and all analogue transmitters are switched > off > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From bjackson@indyradio.com Mon Dec 15 18:15:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32994 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 02:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 02:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 02:15:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 02:15:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:15:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ASCAP/BMI Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 830 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.108.210.98 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Also remember that if a business plays the radio for the public (i.e. > their customers) to hear, they're supposed to *also* play ASCAP/BMI > royalty fees -- even though it's double-dipping because the radio > station itself is already paying the fees. But enforcement of that > rule is just about impossible -- just like how nobody seems to care > when "For Promotional Use Only, Not For Sale" CDs end up for sale * Snip * They *do* sometimes enforce the business BMI/ASCAP fee rule. Right before I moved to Dothan, there was a restaurant on the north-east side of Indianapolis called Parrots that was fined something like $5,000 for public performances of music without a license. - Brad Jackson - PM Drive/Imaging - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 18:42:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98037 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 02:42:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 02:42:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 02:42:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 02:42:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:42:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: incompatible standards - PAL, NTSC, etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47301@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2070 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That's because the UK used NICAM Digital Stereo for Hi-Fi VHS > recording. Yes, but even the linear (lo-fi mono) audio track doesn't play right. I can hear what the audio is supposed to be, but the audio plays too fast and the speed is constantly wavering up and down. I think that's because it needs correct video sync in order to play the audio, and since my NTSC VCR can't sync to the PAL video (no matter how I adjust the tracking), then the audio won't work either. It's funny because I can feed a PAL video signal into my VCR and it will record and play back fine -- even the VCR's own on-screen displays show up fine on top of the 50 Hz / 625-line video! On my NTSC monitor, I will only get a black & white picture, but as long as I adjust the "V-Hold", it will sync to the different refresh rate just fine. But I guess when I record this to tape, it is creating some non-standard psuedo-PAL format that isn't the same as "true" PAL video. To add even more to the confusion, my old Atari ST computer can switch between "NTSC" and "PAL" modes, but its "PAL" mode actually appears to be 50 Hz / 625-line NTSC, because the color _does_ display correctly on an NTSC monitor. That's probably because it's a U.S. model computer and therefore its video chip is only designed to generate an NTSC signal, regardless if it's being asked to display 60 Hz / 525-line video or 50 Hz / 625-line video. And even in the DIGITAL domain, there's still a difference between "NTSC" and "PAL"! For example, on the "Video CD" (VCD) format -- little brother to DVD -- "NTSC" is 352 x 240 resolution at 29.97 frames per second, while "PAL" is 352 x 288 resolution at 25 frames per second. But PCs will play either one just fine, and DVD players automatically convert the video into whatever output format you have selected (be it NTSC, PAL, or progressive-scan). Sheesh... at least digital radio is comparatively simple: IBOC in the USA, and DRM or Eureka-147 DAB everywhere else. And thank goodness C-Quam AM Stereo is a true worldwide standard! From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 19:19:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96246 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 03:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 03:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 03:19:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 03:19:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:19:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 437 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 Subject: Re: ASCAP/BMI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > But I'm not clear on one thing... if a song is marked as both ASCAP > and BMI, does that mean royalties have to be paid to both companies, > costing twice as much as a song that is only ASCAP or only BMI? Most of these are by dual composers- One's publisher is ASCAP, the other's publisher BMI. If it's a single composer, I'm not sure. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 19:47:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42657 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 03:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 03:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 03:47:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 03:47:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:47:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2539 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 Subject: Re: incompatible standards - PAL, NTSC, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I suppose the same goes for PAL and NTSC > > Don't forget SECAM, designed by the French to be purposely > incompatible with the PAL system that the rest of Western Europe had > begun using. Probably because of this incompatibility, SECAM was > also adopted by the Communists throughout Russia and Eastern Europe. Keep in mind SECAM is a color-encoding scheme only, and pretty damned advanced for the era it was invented in (1959)! It involves COMPRESSING the RGB color for each line (3 lines worth) into the timespece of a single line in an FM subcarrier. Because of the way it's designed, video editing can't be done in SECAM, so editing is done in PAL instead. Prior to that, it was just the 819-line rate, with inverted (compared to everyone else) video-- And the audio was AM, not FM, set BELOW a video carrier, rather than above, on the dial. Today, it's SECAM-625 (still inverted video) with NICAM digital audio- The same TV audio standard used in the UK for terrestrial analog TV. Much of the Middle East also uses SECAM. > Speaking of which, I just got a PAL video tape from the U.K. which > unfortunately doesn't work at all in my NTSC VCR. It is marked as > "VHS Hi-Fi Stereo" but even the audio doesn't play properly -- it > sounds like the Chipmunks with the speed wavering up and down. The > box also says "Colour and Back & White" [sic] but I think that just > means some of the video clips on it were recorded in B&W for special > effects, because this is a video from 2000 and the British 405-line > black & white TV system is long gone. Here, I have experience. :) PAL VHS tapes are played at approximately 1/3 slower than NTSC VHS at standard play. There are only two speeds in use on PAL VHS- SP and LP (at 2/3 slower than NTSC SP). Also, tape heads and drums are arranged differently in PAL than for SECAM. Much of the reason for this is due to the different field-rate of PAL (50 Hz) to NTSC (60 Hz). Also, Hi-Fi audio carriers (like NTSC, PAL VHS uses two discreet FM carriers) are at different frequencies, moved up further in the baseband, since the color subcarrier is also higher (4.43 for PAL; 3.58 for NTSC), which reduces interference between the three components-- A better picture. :) You'll need a PAL-capable VCR, particularly a multistandard VCR, and with a built-in color/video converter, preferably. And "colour" is the correct way to spell "color" outside the US. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 19:58:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8402 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 03:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 03:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 03:58:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 03:58:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:58:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47301@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1006 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 Subject: {AMSF} Re: incompatible standards - PAL, NTSC, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > That's because the UK used NICAM Digital Stereo for Hi-Fi VHS recording. Not really- NICAM actually is the broadcast audio system, although many such VCRs are mislabled, making it rather misleading. It's twin- carrier FM system, and the only for of stereo audio used on PAL (and SECAM) VHS since stereo for VHS was introduced in Europe (later than in the US and Japan). VHS tape does not use the full broadcast bandwidth, and does some video conversion of its own to succeed doing this, by first shifting the chroma to the baseband and the bidio to a base video to a subcarrier, and inbetween, the FM HiFi stereo. What space is left for NICAM in addition to that? By the way, in PAL (and SECAM) VHS, the Hi-Gi audio is recorded with the video, reducing the need for extra video heads. NTSC VHS records the HiFi first, then records over with the video. (At least that's how I learned it.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 20:06:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70142 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 04:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 04:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 04:06:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 04:06:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:06:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 587 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 Subject: Re: incompatible standards - PAL, NTSC, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > Any new VCR brought in the UK will play NTSC tapes even the=20 cheapo's=20 > going for =A350. Is it not vice versa in the US then ? No. There are SOME places that do sell PAL-capable VCRs for under=20 $150, but they're not commonly available here. I'm lucky- I have one, capable of stereo, with PAL, PAL-3.58, NTSC,=20 NTSC-4.43, and both SECAM and ME-SECAM (Soviet-bloc and Middle- Eastern VCRs modified PAL VCRs to encode the SECAM color as a PAL=20 color carrier, rather than use French SECAM VCRs). Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 20:08:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21872 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 04:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 04:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 04:08:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 04:08:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:08:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 318 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > Often I've heard someone joke about the NTSC system - phone in shows > etc - saying it stands for Never the Same Colour etc. Any truth in > this ? There is, but it's a problem long since solved with advancing technology. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 20:12:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36253 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 04:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 04:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 04:12:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 04:12:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:12:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 364 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: Addendum: BTSC means "National Television Standards Committee". PAL = "Phased-Alternate Lines". SECAM = "Sequential Color with Memory" (acronym in French). (And yes, SECAM uses memory storage to assemble the RGB lines of color. Not bad for a system developed in 1959.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 20:26:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53404 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 04:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 04:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 04:26:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 04:26:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:26:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1069 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 Subject: Re: incompatible standards - PAL, NTSC, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > It's funny because I can feed a PAL video signal into my VCR and it > will record and play back fine -- even the VCR's own on-screen > displays show up fine on top of the 50 Hz / 625-line video! On my > NTSC monitor, I will only get a black & white picture, but as long as > I adjust the "V-Hold", it will sync to the different refresh rate > just fine. But I guess when I record this to tape, it is creating > some non-standard psuedo-PAL format that isn't the same as "true" PAL > video. If the Atari is anything like my Amiga A500 (both made at around the same time), it outputs as RGB, then uses a video adapter to convert RGB to NTSC color, of which framerate/linerate is irrelevant. And I explained in an earlier post why the PAL tape plays too fast. And the warbling? The VCR can't track the control track because it was playing too fast for the speed it thinks it should be playing at (slower than SP, faster than LP (4 hr. mode)). Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 20:27:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24955 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 04:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 04:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 04:27:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20031216042736.71909.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.82] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:27:36 PST Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:27:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.88 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- scotthatley wrote: > I suppose the same goes for PAL and NTSC NTSC came first. PAL much later. It's amazing that the VERY first TV's RCA made in Color came in around Christmas of 1954. The VERY few handful of the CT-100 ( a round screen model RCA tried to buy back, BTW ) got out then the first 21 inch the CTC-2. A few of the CTC-100's survive. I have a late 62 or 63 model CTC -12, round screen. It's not nearly as bright as newer sets, but set up properly ( there is no automatic anything) the color and sharpness FAR exceed most of the cheap stuff out today. The more expensive sets no, but the reds this set produces is better than even some of the more expensive units. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 20:30:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7749 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 04:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 04:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 04:30:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20031216043021.23965.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.82] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:30:21 PST Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:30:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Dave wrote: > Often I've heard someone joke about the NTSC system > - phone in shows > etc - saying it stands for Never the Same Colour > etc. Any truth in > this ? That's a joke. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 20:31:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90468 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 04:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 04:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 04:31:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 04:31:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:31:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 943 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.132 Subject: Re: "Back & White" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You'll need a PAL-capable VCR, particularly a multistandard VCR, > and with a built-in color/video converter, preferably. And "colour" > is the correct way to spell "color" outside the US. My "[sic]" was referring to the video box's spelling "Back & White", instead of _black_ & white. I also have a Shania Twain cassette that says "An One Hour of Music", while the CD version of the same album correctly says "One Hour of Music". Anyway, I specifically bought that PAL tape, instead of the same video on DVD, for two reasons: 1.) no annoying digital compression artifacts in the video or audio, and 2.) it gives me a good excuse to finally get a multi-system VCR. Also, when well cared-for, magnetic tape can last for half a century or more... but who knows how long DVDs or CDs will last? I already have half a dozen CDs on which one or more tracks are unusable because unintentional surface wear has caused them to "skip". From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Dec 15 23:14:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92183 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 07:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 07:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 07:14:52 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-50-9.rev.o1.com [66.81.50.9]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hBG7Enx08054; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:14:50 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c3c3a3$ddb1abc0$09325142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:11:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "JimSmith" Subject: What? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi What in the world dose wideo stuff and cd's and wich is a liitle closer vhs tapes and onestly IBOC and dab have to do with Analog Am stereo. It seem like we are loseing focuse. I am not picking on any buddy but whats all that going to do to help am stereo. That' what i thought this forum was for. And gess what i can't spell eather to. Thanks Jim S From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Dec 15 23:31:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36977 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 07:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 07:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 07:31:26 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031216073123.RJTD9010.fed1mtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:31:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:31:24 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.123 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Back & White" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 08:31 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > Also, when well cared-for, magnetic tape can last for half a century > or more... but who knows how long DVDs or CDs will last?=A0 I already > have half a dozen CDs on which one or more tracks are unusable > because unintentional surface wear has caused them to "skip". "Properly cared for" DVDs and CDs won't have unintentional surface=20 wear, but I'm not sure even that's the point. When the inner surface=20 starts to degrade from corrosion, you're really stuck. What is the=20 "expected life" of a CD or DVD? I doubt it is as long as an analog=20 record. I have seen those new DVD camcorders, but I am afraid of the=20 longterm storage problems that could crop up. Of course, tape can have=20 problems as well ... so what do you do? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 23:37:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40701 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 07:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 07:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 07:37:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 07:37:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:37:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c3c3a3$ddb1abc0$09325142@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 672 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.243 Subject: Re: What? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" wrote: > Hi What in the world dose wideo stuff and cd's and wich is a liitle > closer vhs tapes and onestly IBOC and dab have to do with Analog Am stereo. > It seem like we are loseing focuse. I am not picking on any buddy but > whats all that going to do to help am stereo. That' what i thought this > forum was for. And gess what i can't spell eather to. Thanks Jim S Mmmm, don't ask me. :) I would be happy if I had something to say about analog AM stereo, or at least new stuff to learn, or whathaveyou. :) Hey, this is the holidays, it gets a bit slow here.... :/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Dec 15 23:46:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83320 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 07:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 07:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 07:46:01 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031216074600.SALB3905.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:46:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:45:59 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.241 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think it was an offshoot of analog vs. digital broadcasting, but I=20 actually found the whole discussion interesting. On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 11:37 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" > wrote: > > Hi=A0=A0 What in the world dose=A0 wideo stuff=A0 and cd's and=A0 wich = is a > liitle > > closer vhs tapes and onestly IBOC and dab have to do with=A0 Analog > Am stereo. > > It seem like we are loseing focuse.=A0 I am not picking on any buddy=A0 > but > > whats all that going to do to help am stereo. That' what i thought > this > > forum=A0 was for.=A0 And=A0 gess what i can't spell eather to. Thanks J= im > S > > Mmmm, don't ask me. :) I would be happy if I had something to say > about analog AM stereo, or at least new stuff to learn, or > whathaveyou. :) > > Hey, this is the holidays, it gets a bit slow here.... :/ > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 23:50:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97057 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 07:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 07:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 07:50:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 07:50:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:50:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 917 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.132 Subject: Re: WHAT? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Mmmm, don't ask me. :) I would be happy if I had something to say > about analog AM stereo, or at least new stuff to learn, or > whathaveyou. :) Well, this talk about NTSC vs. PAL vs. SECAM is somewhat relevant, in that color broadcast TV is a form of "C-QUAM" -- it's Quadrature AM that's Compatible with black & white sets. It's a refined analog system that has served us well for half a century so far, and given the right chance, analog C-QUAM AM Stereo radio can thrive for at least that long as well. (And, as of yet, I am NOT convinced that either analog TV or analog AM/FM radio are going away ANYTIME soon, regardless of current intentions to eventually force a switchover to digital TV and full-digital IBOC radio.) Oh... and as for WHAT, they're a Talk station on 1340 kHz AM in Philadelphia. Meanwhile, WHO is on 1040 kHz in Des Moines, IA, and WHEN is on 620 kHz in Syracuse, NY. :-) From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 00:06:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6163 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 08:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 08:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 08:06:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 08:06:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:06:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 527 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.19 Subject: {AMSF} Re: What? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I think it was an offshoot of analog vs. digital broadcasting, but I > actually found the whole discussion interesting. True, and it is. :) I happen to be fascinated by the subject, even though I really don't watch much TV. (Nevertheless, the reason I bought a multistandard VCR was so I could get tapes of overseas TV, much like getting airchecks of radio stations. :) I still have yet to get a SECAM/ME-SECAM tape. :( ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 00:21:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19778 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 08:21:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 08:21:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 08:21:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 08:21:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:21:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1658 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.19 Subject: Re: WHAT? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Mmmm, don't ask me. :) I would be happy if I had something to say > > about analog AM stereo, or at least new stuff to learn, or > > whathaveyou. :) > > Well, this talk about NTSC vs. PAL vs. SECAM is somewhat relevant, in > that color broadcast TV is a form of "C-QUAM" -- it's Quadrature AM > that's Compatible with black & white sets. It's a refined analog > system that has served us well for half a century so far, and given > the right chance, analog C-QUAM AM Stereo radio can thrive for at > least that long as well. (And, as of yet, I am NOT convinced that > either analog TV or analog AM/FM radio are going away ANYTIME soon, > regardless of current intentions to eventually force a switchover to > digital TV and full-digital IBOC radio.) Quite correct, about NTSC and PAL, at least- Both use a suppressed- carrier QuAM signal to carry the two chroma channels. (SECAM uses FM.) I'm not sure about the survivability of analog TV, but I do agree withy you about analog AM and FM, and even stated so in a previous post: What the corporate broadcasters will effectively do is after they trash the bands to unusability, they'll abandon them, and let the "community" and other low-power broadcasters inherit the bands. "The meek shall inherit the Earth." > Oh... and as for WHAT, they're a Talk station on 1340 kHz AM in > Philadelphia. Meanwhile, WHO is on 1040 kHz in Des Moines, IA, and > WHEN is on 620 kHz in Syracuse, NY. :-) LOL! :) And if I recall, WHY has long left the airwaves, or gone to some other non-legacy call. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Tue Dec 16 01:28:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41809 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 09:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 09:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 09:28:05 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBG9RBBS001907 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:27:12 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:27:11 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > True, and it is. :) I happen to be fascinated by the subject, even > though I really don't watch much TV. Hey Jim You are technically correct that this is an AMS discussion list. But you are pretty new here - and it's GREAT to have you! But from time to time we do go off at tangents ... and worse. Don't get too upset about all this recent stuff. It was a natural flowing exercise in people sharing info. I found it interesting but found myself out of my depth so didn't get into it. There are lots of really good people here - but sometimes things go quiet on the AMS front. Even so - this remains a very active list. And that's a good thing in that any message on a quiet day is better than nothing. We all pretty much want to advance AM stereo because we know how good it is!!! In my case I'm fighting a very slowly losing battle in Oz through lack of other Oz participants. Not The Two Matts from Brisbane - but the other Aussies on this list. (You know who you are. I don't.) And I usually now don't post much to this list simply because I have nothing positive to say - cause things simply don't change here. However ... I'll be Judas. My reasons for being on this (and other) AMS lists has been totally personal. I want to hear my favourite Melbourne radio stations in hi-fi stereo. When FM stereo arrived here in 1975 it sounded great. But all we had for 5 years were a few community stations. I didn't particularly like their programming much. But they were ahead of what was to come and manufacturers bombarded us buyers with AM/FM stereo radios. It was very well planned. Then in 1980 "it" arrived! The wonders of FM radio! Trouble was I didn't like any of the commercial stations or even the ABC's classical station. All this hope ... gone! And here we are 23 years later and in my opinion (a personal one) no station on the FM band I want to call home. Then in 1985 we got AM stereo!!! And it was truly a Godsend. Finally some stations that I could personally enjoy in hi-fi stereo. I've loved it to death for 18 years. And would be happy enough with it till I die. But!!! I am coming to the realisation that maybe the best days are over. If Oz can go Eureka DAB and our radio stations stay pretty much the same I'd support it. And I am glad that tests are going to be carried out in Melbourne. If I can buy a DAB walkman to hear it I will. And at least during the trials our radio stations will stay the same - as they'll simulcast. Funilly enough one of my greatest radio listenership times was in 1975 listening to the trial broadcasts for 3MP - Melbourne's newest AM station in 40 years. (I hope it can regain some of it's deserved success.) I love radio. And don't like change. Particularly letting overseas interests control what I believe is possibly the best radio system in the world. Oz radio is exceptionally good. Possibly 10 years behind US radio - and that's probably why. Also much more like British radio - if perhaps a bit ahead in programming. I'm open to any good reasonably inexpensive hi-fi stereo radio system as long as it's for the most part live and local. That's why I support AM stereo here in Australia. Jim. Don't ever worry about your spelling! The beancounters aren't worried about spelling. They're worried about money. And there's not much we can do on this list about that - except vote these types of people out at the next election - whichever elections we have. AM stereo Forever! Ian Oz Keep Punching!! From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Dec 16 05:03:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42207 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 13:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 13:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 13:03:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 13:03:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:03:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 42 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Originating-IP: 81.7.3.223 Subject: On the subject of TV.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Great website :- http://www.tvhistory.tv From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Dec 16 05:45:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45685 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 13:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 13:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 13:45:24 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBGDjI7U080837 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:45:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004901c3c3da$d8b6c790$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <000601c3c2b9$ba1d0c30$af78fea9@juan> <003601c3c314$dd9704d0$6401a8c0@jimspc> <003101c3c322$b459bc30$af78fea9@juan> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:45:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: 860 WKKO Cocoa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 ). > Boy could I share stories about that place.... > > I would love to hear those stories ! I remember the 860 station had a killer signal. I remember the Top 40 days and the Urban format also. I first heard it when I was passing through in 75 or 76. > A former co-worker and friend, Michael W. Lowe told me a few stories about the station as did Mike Walker, who is a co-worker now doing sales. Come to think of it, Mike Walker may have worked at CK-101.....oh well. The station sure has some neat history. It's so sad that it is silent though... I would love to, but we're going to have to take it off the message board. This is getting way off topic. I worked with Michael W Lowe at both WKKO and WCKS. I understand he finally left WA1A (after a zillin years) about a year ago and went to a Retro station in Vero Beach. Now I've heard he'd left Vero Beach. Any idea where he is now? I guess I'll take the rest to email...... From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Dec 16 05:46:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16317 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 13:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 13:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 13:46:42 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBGDkb55081085 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:46:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005301c3c3db$097591e0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <000601c3c2b9$ba1d0c30$af78fea9@juan> <003601c3c314$dd9704d0$6401a8c0@jimspc> <003101c3c322$b459bc30$af78fea9@juan> <004001c3c326$342242e0$af78fea9@juan> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:46:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: 860 WKKO Cocoa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > (Jim Burgan wrote) > > ...their 400' tower stands proudly (with no > tenants-no Cell Phone, UHF repeaters or business band antennas) as a > monument to a once-great station. The tower is located just off I-95 at the > Cocoa Exit (SR 520). > Boy could I share stories about that place.... > > I was under the impression that the tower was taken down, but that was from an unreliable source. I'll have to check it out next time I go north. Someone told me they saw the WKKO equitment for sale in Radio World. I never could verify it though. Last time I drove by was exactly one year ago and the tower was still standing in Dec. 2002. It may be gone now... From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Dec 16 05:56:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65757 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 13:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 13:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 13:56:02 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBGDu0qd082830 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:56:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005a01c3c3dc$576e8c70$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:56:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: 860 WKKO Cocoa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > It's a shame, but supposedly from what my former GM at WRUF (who was > the former GM at WRKT/WSSP in Cocoa) told me, the station went > through a line of owners that would fail at making payments, and the > station would fall back on the hands of its old owner, who has (or > had) Alzheimers. Right you are... The original owner when I started was Ted Eiland (probably mis-spelled). In 1975 it was sold to Bill Mashmeyer (again, probably misspelled). His GM was Tom McArdle who was my boss. When Bill started getting sick, he (and his wife) turned operation over to Tom McArdle, the station was sold (many times) and Tom collected the checks (Tom was working at Kennedy Space Center last I heard). I never was sure how they finally went dark but I always suspected it was sold to the Tampa 860- because it got delisted from the FCC records almost overnight, and the Tampa 860 got a CP to improve their facilities about the same time. I used to call Tom McArdle when I was in town but last time I talked to him was probably 20 years ago. Do any of you have idea where any of the other jocks from that market/era are these days? From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Dec 16 07:00:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75336 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 15:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 15:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 15:00:36 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.136] (d104-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.136]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hBGF0Yn14806 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:00:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:00:16 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: KSUN 1400 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KSUN 1400 in Phoenix has turned off the AM stereo plot and has had it off for two months. There is but one station left in the 5th biggest city in the US with AM stereo of any kind. That is KMIA from Black Canyon City, AZ with SS and a Ranchera / Banda format. Kevin Mesa, AZ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Dec 16 07:53:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69356 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 15:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 15:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.25.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 15:53:40 -0000 Received: FROM Jeff BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Tue Dec 16 11:55:32 2003 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:51:04 -0400 Message-ID: <01C3C3CA.E2A24000.jwelton@nautel.com> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:51:03 -0400 Organization: Nautel Ltd. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 24.222.25.85 From: Jeff Welton Reply-To: "jwelton@nautel.com" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Digest Number 992 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff_welton ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > > Is out ole buddy Jeff Welton from Nautel still on this list? I'm curious to > see if you can still get a Nautel with AM Stereo? Yup, Jeff's still here. Got a little busy over the weekend (three hockey games for the 10-yr old and two Christmas parties for the 2-yr old, plus the in-laws came for a visit), so I let the list traffic build up further than normal. The official answer is that we wouldn't quote it, but if you asked for it the Sales guys will check with Engineering to see if it can be easily retrofitted into the current (i.e. digital) configuration. This is done on a frequency-by-frequency basis. If you really insisted, there's no reason why we couldn't, although the one-off manufacture would reduce the profit margin to near zero, especially with the current exchange on the US dollar (we make a lot more money when your economy is stronger than ours!). I suspect that we would be more hesitant to do this now than we would have been in January, when an Andrew Jackson bought a whole bunch more loonies than it does today. I know that's probably not as clear as you'd like, but that's the best answer I have at the moment. If you have a specific requirement, let me know and I'll find out if we can make it happen for you. Best Regards, Jeff Welton Customer Service Dept. Nautel Ltd. Tel: +1-902-823-3900, ext. 127 Fax: +1-902-823-3183 jwelton@nautel.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 07:54:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56902 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 15:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 15:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 15:54:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20031216155408.11818.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:54:08 PST Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:54:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.143 From: "John P." Subject: WKKO Callsign X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Intersting to read that WKKO was for Cocoa Beach, as it is now the FM callsign for Toledo's top-rated station (Country format, 99.9FM). Their morning show hosts with the #1 show for 10 years were 'stolen' from the AM Stereo station at the time ( WSPD - stereo shut-off when assimilated by ClearChannelCorp)! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 08:06:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38293 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 16:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 16:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 16:06:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 16:06:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:06:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 632 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.157.116.212 Subject: AM Stereo OUT JACK on Pioneer SX-7 (???) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Is anyone familiar with the Pioneer SX-7 receiver??? On the back of it, there is an AM Stereo "out jack". How does this provide AM Stereo reception??? If you supersize the rear of the unit on this eBay auction, you'll see the out jack at the top left of the rear of the unit: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3065793613&indexURL=1&photoDisplayType=2#ebay photohosting The jack says "stereo out", but it is within a white bordered box titled "AM". I've got an old SX-5 with the same out jack on the back, but my SX-5 is on the fritz and so I can't experiment with it to see what the heck it does... ??!!?? From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 09:36:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83521 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 17:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 17:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 17:36:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 17:36:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:36:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 50 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Sony SRF A-300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Are the controls labelled in Japanese or English? From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 09:58:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38178 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 17:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 17:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 17:58:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 17:57:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:57:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 665 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.19 Subject: Re: On the subject of TV.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereofan@v... wrote: > Great website :- > > http://www.tvhistory.tv http://members.aol.com/jeff560/jeff.html http://www.bvws.org.uk/405alive/ http://www.625.uk.com http://www.tvdawn.com/ http://www.sptv.demon.co.uk/405colour/ http://www.novia.net/~ereitan/ http://www.earlytelevision.org/cbscolorsystem.html http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blcolortelevision.htm http://www.ev1.pair.com/colorTV/colortv-revolution.html http://www.tvhandbook.com/History/History_TV.htm http://www.livingtech.net/projects/television.html http://www.irish-tv.com/ There'sd lots more where all that came from. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 10:30:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69592 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 18:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 18:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 18:30:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 18:30:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:30:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF A-300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 403 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, deepcoffee@y... wrote: > Are the controls labelled in Japanese or English? Japanese, mostly. But everything is simple enough that you can easily figure it out: it has Volume and Tuning knobs, On/Off, AM/FM, and Mono/Stereo switches, a Sleep timer button (shuts it off after an hour, like a clock radio), and a button to illuminate the dial light. That's it! From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Tue Dec 16 10:34:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39401 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 18:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 18:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm6.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 18:34:42 -0000 Received: from user-2255.l4a.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.248.207] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm6.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AWK1g-00086E-2s for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:34:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:33:07 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kahn tuner? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.22 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man I've just been offered this and wonder what any of you have to say other than it may be only suitable for Kahn stereo: do you have any interest in an AM stereo tuner, from Kahn Communications? It's called Stereo, Stereo (AM & FM stereo) in "as new condition" tunes US AM 540-1600kc and FM 88-108mc. hi impedance audio out via 2 RCA connectors.. demodulates Kahn system AM stereo. I'm looking for $95(US$) plus shipping. Worth it or not? Any pictures around? Tnx -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 10:41:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85715 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 18:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 18:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 18:41:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 18:41:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:41:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn tuner? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 965 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > do you have any interest in an AM stereo tuner, from Kahn > Communications? It's called Stereo, Stereo (AM & FM stereo) in "as > new condition" tunes US AM 540-1600kc and FM 88-108mc. hi impedance > audio out via 2 RCA connectors.. demodulates Kahn system AM stereo. There was one of those Kahn "Stereo, Stereo" tuners on eBay about a year ago. It wasn't actually made by Kahn, but Kahn took an ordinary AM/FM tuner model and installed an ISB AM Stereo decoder in it. I believe it operates in "forced stereo" mode on AM, so any station will be received in Kahn AM Stereo mode, even those which broadcast in mono or C-Quam AM Stereo. > Worth it or not? If you can appreciate its novelty/rarity factor, then it might be worth $95, but in terms of the radio's actual design and performance, that seems a bit high. > Any pictures around? The aforementioned eBay auction did have a picture, but I didn't save it and now the auction page is long gone. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 10:42:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61629 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 18:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 18:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 18:42:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 18:41:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:41:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn tuner? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 790 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Well, if you're in WBDH's coverage area (highly unlikely, huh?), then you can tune them in; they broadcast in Kahn: http://www.wbdhradio.com/html/listen_live_.html --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > I've just been offered this and wonder what any of you have to say other > than it may be only suitable for Kahn stereo: > > do you have any interest in an AM stereo tuner, from Kahn > Communications? It's called Stereo, Stereo (AM & FM stereo) in "as new > condition" tunes US AM 540-1600kc and FM 88-108mc. hi impedance audio > out via 2 RCA connectors.. demodulates Kahn system AM stereo. > > I'm looking for $95(US$) plus shipping. > > Worth it or not? > > Any pictures around? > > Tnx > -- > Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 12:20:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77921 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 20:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 20:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 20:20:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 20:20:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:20:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 292 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Another Pioneer AM Stereo OUT Jack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee This one's the SX-9, and this eBay auction has a very nice pic of the rear left of the unit. There you'll see a clearly marked "AM Stereo Out" jack. Does anyone know what's supposed to plug in to this jack??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3065170022&category=39789 From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 14:05:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2491 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 22:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 22:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 22:05:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 22:05:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:05:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 903 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: Another Pioneer AM Stereo OUT Jack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Okay, I found someone with a manual for one of these Pioneer units, and here's what he sent me: << Good question. I'll quote from the manual, " This jack is for AM stereo broadcasts. When listening to the AM stereo broadcasts, connect the adaptor component to this jack. For further details, refer to the operating instructions of the AM stereo adaptor components." >> So... I wonder if Pioneer ever produced an "adaptor component" for that jack. Or was this a project that was never completed??? Does anyone know? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, deepcoffee@y... wrote: > This one's the SX-9, and this eBay auction has a very nice pic of the > rear left of the unit. There you'll see a clearly marked "AM Stereo > Out" jack. > > Does anyone know what's supposed to plug in to this jack??? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3065170022&category=39789 From stodd@vippn.com Tue Dec 16 17:49:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50177 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 01:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 01:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 01:49:57 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-56-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.56]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A174D14E0BC for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:49:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000001c3c440$5619fa80$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031214200807.78974.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:47:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jeff Welton from Nautel? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I doubt you'd see any increase on a field intensity meter, but likely they are able to modulate it more aggressively. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Jones" > is it just me, or is that new BE transmitter putting > out a stronger signal than the raytheon? > --- KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > > If you have no success with Nautel...try BE > > [Broadcast Electronics]. I'm > > sitting here with a brand new AM 1A that came > > equiped with a C-Quam exciter built > > in. From stodd@vippn.com Tue Dec 16 18:02:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67485 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 02:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 02:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 02:02:16 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-56-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.56]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3791E14E09D for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:02:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004a01c3c442$18734900$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:04:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude VHF television and a lot of two-way radio stuff. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "scotthatley" > Do you have any > idea what the Band III frequencies are used for in The US? From stodd@vippn.com Tue Dec 16 18:20:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87681 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 02:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 02:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 02:20:07 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-229-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.229]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B6ABD14E0CF for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:20:02 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009201c3c444$96a4aa60$827dfea9@home1> To: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:22:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Fw: ams list- power supply X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:38 AM Subject: ams list- power supply > Someone offered a 12v power supply on this list a couple months ago. I > believe it was Dick W. Do you still have it? I didn't need it at the time > but do now. > > ST > From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 18:20:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48952 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 02:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 02:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 02:20:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2003 02:20:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:20:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 666 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.19 Subject: Re: Kahn tuner? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > I've just been offered this and wonder what any of you have to say other > than it may be only suitable for Kahn stereo: > > do you have any interest in an AM stereo tuner, from Kahn > Communications? It's called Stereo, Stereo (AM & FM stereo) in "as new > condition" tunes US AM 540-1600kc and FM 88-108mc. hi impedance audio > out via 2 RCA connectors.. demodulates Kahn system AM stereo. > > I'm looking for $95(US$) plus shipping. > > Worth it or not? Damn. I'm interested- VERY interested- but no money, and won't have any for a few months. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Tue Dec 16 18:22:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93613 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 02:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 02:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 02:22:52 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-229-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.229]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7135114E0D7 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:22:48 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009e01c3c444$f9626020$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:24:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why IBOC is a poor choice for the AM band. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Others have touched on it, but the real reason is the big 100kW FMs didn't want to be on an even playing field with the 250W daytimer peanut whistles. Of course, this was before consolidation, and likely the owner of one now has the other as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "scotthatley" > Anyone know why the US did not adopt Eurika 147 and instead went > with IBOC? I thought it was because the frequencies are not > available for use in the US. From stodd@vippn.com Tue Dec 16 18:24:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95155 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 02:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 02:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 02:24:25 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-229-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.229]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F2A2D14E0D7 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:24:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00a401c3c445$2ff552a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <000901c3c327$12906660$35265142@jimsmith> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:26:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS G1 Am Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Don't stop drooling- check some of the other used equipment vendors. I've seen $500 generators and mod monitors so you could be equipped with both for the price you're hoping to pay for a generator alone. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "JimSmith" > Hi I got a guote about the Harris AMS G1 Am Stereo Exciter. Thay are > still not that cheap. At 610 AM one of thoughs out the door $2,598.58. > Bummer i was hopeing for under $1,000 because of IBOC. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 18:28:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2066 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 02:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 02:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 02:28:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2003 02:28:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:28:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 780 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.19 Subject: Re: Another Pioneer AM Stereo OUT Jack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, deepcoffee@y... wrote: > Okay, I found someone with a manual for one of these Pioneer units, > and here's what he sent me: > > << Good question. I'll quote from the manual, " This jack is for AM > stereo broadcasts. When listening to the AM stereo broadcasts, > connect the adaptor component to this jack. For further details, > refer to the operating instructions of the AM stereo adaptor > components." >> > > > So... I wonder if Pioneer ever produced an "adaptor component" for > that jack. Or was this a project that was never completed??? > > Does anyone know? This sounds like a direct access to the IF stage, so any demodulator could be fed off from there- AMS demod, narrowband FM demod, DRM demod.... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 19:53:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52812 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 03:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 03:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 03:53:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2003 03:53:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:53:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 519 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 66.138.75.3 Subject: Re: Another Pioneer AM Stereo OUT Jack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << This sounds like a direct access to the IF stage, so any demodulator could be fed off from there- AMS demod, narrowband FM demod, DRM demod.... >> Forgive me, but I don't know what DRM stands for. Are AMS demods readily available... or easily created from Chris Cuff's offerings? If so, I'm interested, because those Pioneer SX-5's through SX-9's are often available on eBay for pretty reasonable prices. Plus, I've always been fond of the FM sound you get out of those champaigne-colored, digital Pioneers. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 20:42:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5643 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 04:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 04:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 04:42:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2003 04:42:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:42:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 823 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.13 Subject: Re: Another Pioneer AM Stereo OUT Jack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This sounds like a direct access to the IF stage, so any > demodulator could be fed off from there- AMS demod, narrowband FM > demod, DRM demod.... I have a Pioneer TX-520 tuner with the "AM Stereo Output" jack on the back panel. It connects to a pin on the tuner's circuit board which is also labelled "AM Stereo Out". It is indeed an AM IF output -- however, it carries some sort of supply voltage along with it, so it's not directly compatible with one of Chris Cuff's AM Stereo decoder boards. I did successfully convert this tuner to AM Stereo; however, I had to find another IF takeoff point that is just the pure IF signal. This particular model uses IF coils instead of a ceramic filter, so it has a nice "medium-bandwidth" sound on AM, with a good balance between treble response and selectivity. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 21:07:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72542 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 05:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 05:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 05:07:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20031217050750.22782.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:07:50 PST Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:07:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.151 From: "John P." Subject: Here Comes Message Digest 1000 ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wow, 1000 Digests of the AM Stereo Group - may we continue to 'change the world' and radio manufacturers realize that they need to add CQuam to all "HD Radios". __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 21:14:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19784 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 05:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 05:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 05:14:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20031217051405.42267.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:14:05 PST Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:14:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: "AM Stereo Output" jack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio My guess is all that you need to do is to put a small disc capacitor in series with the Panasonic "AM Stereo Output" Jack and then you can use the Chris Cuff decoder as the capacitor will allow only the AC I.F. signal to pass thru, and not the DC voltages. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 21:37:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82965 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 05:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 05:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 05:37:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2003 05:37:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:37:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1099 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.19 Subject: Re: Another Pioneer AM Stereo OUT Jack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, deepcoffee@y... wrote: > << This sounds like a direct access to the IF stage, so any demodulator could be fed > off from there- AMS demod, narrowband FM demod, DRM demod.... >> > > Forgive me, but I don't know what DRM stands for. "Digital Radio Mondiale"- Like IBOC, it's digital radio for the under- 30 MHz bands, but unlike IBOC, it is (a) non-proprietary (although FhG owns the AAC patents- The same company that owns MP3), (b) more robust for DXavility, and (c) not a bandwidth hog, since it's not broadcasting as a subcarrier, even in symulcast mode. http://www.drm.org/ > Are AMS demods readily available... or easily created from Chris Cuff's offerings? If > so, I'm interested, because those Pioneer SX-5's through SX-9's are often available on > eBay for pretty reasonable prices. Plus, I've always been fond of the FM sound you > get out of those champaigne-colored, digital Pioneers. I don't know if there has ever been a commercially-available external AMS demod, but yes, you can ask Chris to make you one. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 21:39:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17798 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 05:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 05:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 05:39:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2003 05:39:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:39:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031217050750.22782.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 332 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.19 Subject: Re: Here Comes Message Digest 1000 ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Wow, 1000 Digests of the AM Stereo Group - may we continue to 'change the > world' and radio manufacturers realize that they need to add CQuam to all "HD Radios". And your post was #14765-- My, we're a chatty groujp, aren't we? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 21:43:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85129 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 05:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 05:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 05:43:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2003 05:43:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:43:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031217051405.42267.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 428 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.19 Subject: Re: "AM Stereo Output" jack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > My guess is all that you need to do is to put a small disc capacitor in series > with the Panasonic "AM Stereo Output" Jack and then you can use the Chris Cuff > decoder as the capacitor will allow only the AC I.F. signal to pass thru, and > not the DC voltages. This sounds about right- Perhaps something like .1uF would do. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 23:14:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47978 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 07:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 07:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 07:14:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2003 07:14:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:14:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 755 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.13 Subject: Re: Another Pioneer AM Stereo OUT Jack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I don't know if there has ever been a commercially-available > external AMS demod, but yes, you can ask Chris to make you one. :) Marantz did manufacture an _internal_ AM Stereo decoder board that could be retrofitted into several of their receivers, including the SR-440, SR-640, and SR-840 (while the SR-940 came with the AM Stereo board as a standard feature). These receivers all had separate Stereo indicator lights for AM and FM, but without that internal decoder board, the AM Stereo feature obviously would be inoperative. However, I've never heard of an _external_ AM Stereo demodulator box, as Pioneer, Kenwood, and other brands had envisioned when they equipped their receivers in the '70s and '80s with "AM Stereo Output" jacks. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 00:04:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14757 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 08:04:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 08:04:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 08:04:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2003 08:04:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:04:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1894 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.19 Subject: Re: Another Pioneer AM Stereo OUT Jack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevtronics@y... wrote: > > I don't know if there has ever been a commercially-available > > external AMS demod, but yes, you can ask Chris to make you one. :) > > However, I've never heard of an _external_ AM Stereo demodulator box, > as Pioneer, Kenwood, and other brands had envisioned when they > equipped their receivers in the '70s and '80s with "AM Stereo Output" > jacks. This phenomenon is not unique to the Motorola/Harris/Kahn AMS era, but can be traced back at least to the 1950s, when FM radios (and a few AM radios as well!) included accessable IF outputs for stereo demodulators, particularly for external Crosby FM demods, which were rather popular throughout the '50s, and enjoyed some considerable use in many major (and a few minor) markets. These were later replaced by external GE/Zenith stereo demods, for much the same reason. FM stereo pretty much was launched entirely with kits, external demods, and some pre-built tuners. I know Crosby demods were in wide usage, kits being sold regularly through the popular radio & electronics hobby magazines (then at a time when both radio and electronics hobbyists fared quite well, existing in large numbers- Not like today.), as well as some kits for other experimental FM stereo systems, but I'm not aware if the magazines of the 1958-1963 AM stereo period ever offered kits or experiments to hear some of the experimental test broadcasts carried out at the time. And surprisingly, while the Crosby FM stereo system was extensively used, VERY little information about the system circulates today, even among vintage electronics forums and sites. But yes, until the early 1960s, stereo FM largely depended on external demodulator kits. Most broadcasts in stereo were live events, which were routinely brtoadcast for about a few hours per week. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Dec 17 00:35:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70123 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 08:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 08:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 08:35:33 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.37.148]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:40:44 -0500 Message-ID: <006c01c3c478$883685a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20031217051405.42267.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:34:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "AM Stereo Output" jack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 These output jacks were made for a low level decoder input, as is found with the MC13020. Using the TA8124 or MC13028, you do need to reduce the gain to the newer decoders to prevnt overload. Both the TA and the 13028 have IF amps in the chip- making it too much gain for the output of these receivers. Also, according to a long time associate with Pioneer, they never did make a decoder for these tuners. They found the available chips at the time to be too quirky, especially the first one- the LM1891. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Wed Dec 17 00:44:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49683 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 08:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 08:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.21) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 08:44:33 -0000 Received: from user-2255.l4a.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.248.207] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AWXIB-0003Sm-FA for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:44:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:43:31 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.21 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Kahn Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Amy, So you're also short of money. Welcome to the club. They call it Christmas shopping here in the UK:-) I've decided the Kahn tuner is not for me. Here's the contact info for anyone here that wishes to take this further: _________________________________________________________ Reply: do you have any interest in an AM stereo tuner, from Kahn Communications? It's called Stereo, Stereo (AM & FM stereo)in "as new condition" tunes US AM 540-1600kc and FM 88-108mc. hi impedeandce audio out via 2 RCA connectors.. demodulates Kahn system AM stereo. I'm looking for $95(US$) plus shipping. Message from: Lyn Snyder At: funding1224@aol.com _____________________________________________________ -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Dec 17 07:23:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91575 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 15:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 15:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 15:23:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2003 15:23:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:23:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2520 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Originating-IP: 81.7.10.107 Subject: DAB transmissions start in Australia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Radio in Australia marks a major milestone today when 11 stations, representing all commercial radio networks in Sydney plus the ABC and SBS, begin broadcasting in digital as part of an 18-month long industry-wide pilot program. Federal Communications Minister Daryl Williams officially switched on the digital services at a function in Sydney tonight. Peak industry body Commercial Radio Australia is coordinating the project on behalf of WS-FM, Nova 969, 2GB, 2CH, 2UE, 2DAYFM, 2KY, 2SM, ABC Classic FM, ABC dig internet radio and SBS. These stations will simulcast in both analogue and digital for the period of the project to allow the industry to test listener and advertiser reaction to the new technology. "The start of digital broadcasting is a very exciting milestone for radio in Australia and is the biggest innovation since the introduction of FM radio in the 1970s," said Joan Warner, chief executive officer of Commercial Radio Australia. "The new technology has the potential to make radio more compelling for listeners because it combines new features such as crystal clear sound, a screen for pictures and text information on-demand, and multi-layering of programs, with radio's existing strengths of portability and immediacy. "It also adds a new dimension for advertisers because it significantly increases marketing options such as logos, visuals, replay buttons and electronic coupon downloads." Broadcast partners in the trial have established a consortium called Digital Radio Broadcasting Australia Pty Ltd (DRBA) to own the digital transmission system for Sydney and take responsibility for multiplex management. Strategic partners in the trial include receiver manufacturers Alpine Electronics, Pure Digital, Factum Electronics AB and Blaupunkt; advertising agency Universal McCann; retailer Harvey Norman, and infrastructure providers Telstra, RadioScape, BSA, Comsyst, RFS and TXA. Digital radio sets are required to access the digital services. Initially 100 listeners will be selected to participate in test panels made up of taxi drivers, youth, opinion makers, PC users and racing enthusiasts, expanding to 500 listeners as a greater range of digital radio receivers becomes available. All Alpine Car Radio dealer stores in Sydney will set up a digital display and talks are underway for consumer display centres to be set up in shopping centres and retail stores early next year. A new website www.digitalradioaustralia.com.au has been developed to provide more information. From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Dec 17 08:44:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58503 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 16:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 16:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 16:44:12 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.84.1ed7923e (30950) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:41:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <84.1ed7923e.2d11e11d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:41:01 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.98 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jeff Welton from Nautel? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/16/03 8:52:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, stodd@vippn.c= om=20 writes: > I doubt you'd see any increase on a field intensity meter, but likely the= y > are able to modulate it more aggressively. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 >=20 Yep!,thats about the only change...is the modulation "department".With the= =20 Raytheon,being an older tube rig,its not advisable to "push the envelope" w= ith a=20 tube rig as modulation transformers and reactors are not cheap these days i= f=20 you have to have one built.With the Raytheon I was averaging 110%=20 modulation..with occasional peaks of 120%.Now with the BE AM 1A the modulat= ion is is=20 hanging around 124% peak...120% average.Needless to say..anyone around here= do a=20 bandscan..I am the cleanest,loudest and most natural sounding station on th= e=20 dial in the Norfolk/Virginia Beach/Newport News Va and Elizabeth City/Nags = Head=20 NC markets. Processing used here is a series of CRL processors [ the SGC 800,SEC 800,SM= P=20 950 ] which are tweaked and fine tuned to work well with one another. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From e92fmjamz@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 10:45:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: e92fmjamz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81415 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 18:45:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 18:45:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14008.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.124) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 18:45:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20031217184525.23752.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.6.34.98] by web14008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:45:25 PST Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:45:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <84.1ed7923e.2d11e11d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.175.124 From: Ernest Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jeff Welton from Nautel? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24963319 X-Yahoo-Profile: e92fmjamz --- KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/16/03 8:52:17 PM Eastern > Standard Time, stodd@vippn.com > writes: > > > I doubt you'd see any increase on a field > intensity meter, but likely they > > are able to modulate it more aggressively. > > > > Scott Todd > > > > > > Yep!,thats about the only change...is the modulation > "department".With the > Raytheon,being an older tube rig,its not advisable > to "push the envelope" with a > tube rig as modulation transformers and reactors are > not cheap these days if > you have to have one built.With the Raytheon I was > averaging 110% > modulation..with occasional peaks of 120%.Now with > the BE AM 1A the modulation is is > hanging around 124% peak...120% average.Needless to > say..anyone around here do a > bandscan..I am the cleanest,loudest and most natural > sounding station on the > dial in the Norfolk/Virginia Beach/Newport News Va > and Elizabeth City/Nags Head > NC markets. Well its obvious that you are a engineer that cares about the quality of the signal over AM...definatly a rarity to find a clean and loud AM station... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Dec 17 11:40:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73794 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 19:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 19:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 19:40:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2003 19:39:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:39:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006c01c3c478$883685a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 769 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Originating-IP: 66.81.42.225 Subject: Re: {AMSF} "AM Stereo Output" jack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > These output jacks were made for a low level decoder input, as is found with > the MC13020. Using the TA8124 or MC13028, you do need to reduce the gain to > the newer decoders to prevnt overload. Both the TA and the 13028 have IF > amps in the chip- making it too much gain for the output of these receivers. > Also, according to a long time associate with Pioneer, they never did make a > decoder for these tuners. They found the available chips at the time to be > too quirky, especially the first one- the LM1891. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John P. Hi So we know were the am stereo out is on one of thoughs but were is the R L in at? Jim S From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 12:19:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61989 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 20:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 20:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 20:19:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2003 20:19:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:19:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 388 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: Dymek DA-5 AM Antenna on Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Here's the URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3066135931&category=50593 You could also put "Dymek" in their search engine. There's 4 days left for this item. I bought one of these in 1980 and wouldn't think of parting with it. I'm in San Francisco, and I picked up WBZ Boston (When KTWO was off the air) with this antenna and the Realistic TM 1001 tuner. Tom From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 12:20:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41171 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 20:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 20:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 20:20:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2003 20:20:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:20:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <010a01c3c12d$97d1bd20$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 529 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: Re: {AMSF} McKay Dymek X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I've seen a picture of the inside, and I think it can be done. Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > While I've never seen that particular model, they did tend to leave a fair > amount of room inside. My guess is it would be a good candidate for > conversion. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Coffee Shop Times" > > > > Anybody ever converted a McKay Dymek digital AM receiver to AM > > Stereo? How much room is there inside that box? From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Dec 17 13:36:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63457 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 21:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 21:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 21:36:11 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.10]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:41:15 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c3c4e5$9044f8e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:34:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "AM Stereo Output" jack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The original plan had the AM Stereo decoder unit have jacks for the input of the FM of the present tuner, and a switch on the decoder to switch between am or fm. Many of the modern tuners that eventually DID include stereo for both used a 4066 Quad bilateral switch IC. The best conversions are those that use the Sanyo LA1837 (like Bose) where the AM output of the IF chip is separate. But even in the lowly Memorex, I just parallel the decoder to the present circuit. The decoder is plenty strong enough to over ride the mono AM signal and still maintain good separation. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:39 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "AM Stereo Output" jack > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > These output jacks were made for a low level decoder input, as is > found with > > the MC13020. Using the TA8124 or MC13028, you do need to reduce the > gain to > > the newer decoders to prevnt overload. Both the TA and the 13028 > have IF > > amps in the chip- making it too much gain for the output of these > receivers. > > Also, according to a long time associate with Pioneer, they never > did make a > > decoder for these tuners. They found the available chips at the > time to be > > too quirky, especially the first one- the LM1891. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John P. > > Hi So we know were the am stereo out is on one of thoughs but were > is the R L in at? Jim S > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Dec 17 15:00:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38678 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 23:00:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 23:00:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 23:00:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2003 23:00:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:00:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002901c3c4e5$9044f8e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2359 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Originating-IP: 66.81.46.32 Subject: Re: {AMSF} "AM Stereo Output" jack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > The original plan had the AM Stereo decoder unit have jacks for the input of > the FM of the present tuner, and a switch on the decoder to switch between > am or fm. > Many of the modern tuners that eventually DID include stereo for both used a > 4066 Quad bilateral switch IC. > The best conversions are those that use the Sanyo LA1837 (like Bose) where > the AM output of the IF chip is separate. > But even in the lowly Memorex, I just parallel the decoder to the present > circuit. The decoder is plenty strong enough to over ride the mono AM signal > and still maintain good separation. > CC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} "AM Stereo Output" jack > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > > These output jacks were made for a low level decoder input, as is > > found with > > > the MC13020. Using the TA8124 or MC13028, you do need to reduce the > > gain to > > > the newer decoders to prevnt overload. Both the TA and the 13028 > > have IF > > > amps in the chip- making it too much gain for the output of these > > receivers. > > > Also, according to a long time associate with Pioneer, they never > > did make a > > > decoder for these tuners. They found the available chips at the > > time to be > > > too quirky, especially the first one- the LM1891. > > > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John P. > > > > Hi So we know were the am stereo out is on one of thoughs but were > > is the R L in at? Jim S > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Hi Chris So if you or some one open it up and put the IF input of one of your decoders on the back of that jack find the L R am out put to the amp and stereo light and power it shuold in theary work. Jim S From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 16:44:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75558 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 00:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 00:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 00:44:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 00:44:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:44:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1121 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.6 Subject: Re: {AMSF} "AM Stereo Output" jack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jimsmith@v... wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > These output jacks were made for a low level decoder input, as is > found with > > the MC13020. Using the TA8124 or MC13028, you do need to reduce the > gain to > > the newer decoders to prevnt overload. Both the TA and the 13028 > have IF > > amps in the chip- making it too much gain for the output of these > receivers. > > Also, according to a long time associate with Pioneer, they never > did make a > > decoder for these tuners. They found the available chips at the > time to be > > too quirky, especially the first one- the LM1891. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John P. > > Hi So we know were the am stereo out is on one of thoughs but were > is the R L in at? Jim S The L and R outputs would come from the demodulator, and perhaps into a special pair of input jacks to keep it integrated with the tuner; otherwise, just feed the L and R outputs from the demod to a spare aux input of your amp. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Wed Dec 17 17:25:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41172 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 01:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 01:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 01:25:45 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-44-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.44]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 800C814E0B9 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:25:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001501c3c506$29b04780$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:27:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You gotta admit, though, DAB in Europe was designed more for the big state-run government networks and is a bit harder to implement amongst groups of independent broadcasters. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > And it wasn't GSM for the same reason why we have IBOC, now- European > technology- Can't have THAT in america! Look what it's done with the > CD and DVD! From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 17:48:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96808 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 01:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 01:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 01:48:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 01:48:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:48:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c3c506$29b04780$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 954 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.6 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia launches DAB digital radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > You gotta admit, though, DAB in Europe was designed more for the big > state-run government networks and is a bit harder to implement amongst > groups of independent broadcasters. Not really-- Keep in mind a single typical DAB "channel"- actually called "ensemble' or "multiplex"- can hold 6-8 stations, and most communities in Europe have 3-5 multiplexes to select from. (Germany is an example, though, of state-run broadcasting-- There are national broadcasters, state broadcasters, municiple broadcasters and private/commercial broadcasters. In most German states, both the state and municipality maintain multiplexes, and national stations share space on these mulriplexes, since the national broadcaster doesn't maintain too many stations of their own. All suych broadcasters are only semi-government-owned, more-or-less like the BBC in the UK.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 18:07:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6406 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 02:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 02:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 02:07:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 02:07:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 02:07:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 388 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key how does the SuperRadio's sensitivity, selectivity & audio quality (in wide mode) compare to the SRF-42? Is it possible to convert one to AM Stereo? is it possible to convert it to digital tuning? Or would I be better off finding a different radio to convert to stereo with digital tuning? I want something that at the bare minimum is as good as an SRF-42, and I'm on a limited budget. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 18:24:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98636 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 02:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 02:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 02:24:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 02:24:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 02:24:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2048 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.10 Subject: Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > how does the SuperRadio's sensitivity, selectivity & audio quality > (in wide mode) compare to the SRF-42? The Superadio definitely has better sensitivity than the SRF-42, but selectivity is about the same, and in "Normal" bandwidth mode, the Superadio III sounds about the same as the SRF-42 in wide mode. And in Wideband mode, the SR-III delivers truly FM-quality sound, but has very little selectivity. > Is it possible to convert one to AM Stereo? The original Superadio or Superadio II, yes. But the Superadio III, no. Its varactor tuning design generates too much phase noise to make AM Stereo conversion feasible. Since it's a mono radio, you don't notice the phase noise, but since AM Stereo uses phase modulation to deliver the L-R Stereo component, therefore AM Stereo reception on a converted SR-III would be very "hissy", or might not work at all. > is it possible to convert it to digital tuning? Not easily. There was a rare "Superadio Plus" with digital tuning in the early '80s, but few were sold, and even fewer can be found today, just like the Superadio with a built-in cassette recorder. > Or would I be better off finding a different radio to convert to > stereo with digital tuning? I want something that at the bare > minimum is as good as an SRF-42, and I'm on a limited budget. I'd recommend a Philips-Magnavox radio. I don't know about the latest models, but at least the ones a year or two ago all used the "ECO-5" tuner, which offers excellent AM sound quality and reception, and makes an easy and very successful conversion to AM Stereo. There is a write-up about Philips-Magnavox radios on the AM Stereo web site; go to: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/ccuff.htm ...and scroll down to "AM Stereo Conversions". As shown on that web page, many Aiwa radios are also very good candidates for AM Stereo conversion. But you'll have to find one that's a few years old, because since Sony took over Aiwa, the quality of their radios has gone downhill drastically. From bratina501@msn.com Wed Dec 17 19:01:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85973 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 03:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 03:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 03:01:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 03:01:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 03:01:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 491 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: bratina501@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.145 Subject: Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevtronics@y... wrote: > I'd recommend a Philips-Magnavox radio. I don't know about the > latest models, but at least the ones a year or two ago all used the > "ECO-5" tuner, which offers excellent AM sound quality and reception, I actually have some experence converting a Philips radio to AM stereo. Many Philips radios have a IF chip with a special output at one of the pins for AM stereo and the sound quality when converted is very good. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 20:20:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36474 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 04:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 04:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 04:20:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 04:20:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:20:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 713 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key What I'd like is something I can carry around with me and listen to with headphones. There's a 50kW (with a directional antenna and what seems like either poor ground conductivity, a null, or both in my direction so it's all I can do to just barely pull in KDIS on my SRF-42 when KSDO is silent which it usually is not) Radio Disney station approx 120 miles away that I want to listen to and there is a 10kW station 20KHz up the dial that's less than 10 miles away from me that I want to reject. Any suggestions? A huge outdoor antenna isn't going to work, cause I don't want to be carrying a big antenna with me whenever I'm doing things around the house or yard or wherever I happen to be listening to KDIS. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 20:32:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57063 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 04:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 04:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 04:32:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 04:32:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:32:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 222 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 68.88.130.23 Subject: Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << in Wideband mode, the SR-III delivers truly FM-quality sound, but has very little selectivity. >> Is this also true for the SR 1 and 2? What other current radios offer comparable wideband modes to the Super Radio's? From w6yn@juno.com Wed Dec 17 20:36:51 2003 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 20:42:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41939 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 04:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 04:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 04:42:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 04:42:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:42:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 418 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.10 Subject: Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is this also true for the SR 1 and 2? Only the Superadio III offers switchable normal/wide bandwidth. The "I" and II have a single "medium" bandwidth. > What other current radios offer comparable wideband modes to the > Super Radio's? Various radios have better-than-average AM tuners, but none even come close to the Superadio series, at least not in that price range (I got my SR-III for $49.99 at Sears). From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 20:54:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62807 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 04:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 04:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 04:54:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20031218045400.28181.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.82] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:54:00 PST Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:54:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- kevtronics@yahoo.com wrote: > Not easily. There was a rare "Superadio Plus" with > digital tuning in > the early '80s, but few were sold, and even fewer > can be found today, > just like the Superadio with a built-in cassette > recorder. I have a GE boombox that appears to be a SR II tuner in it. It's VERY big and heavy. Do you know the model number of the the cassette unit? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 20:55:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32345 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 04:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 04:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 04:55:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20031218045526.28316.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.82] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:55:26 PST Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:55:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- deepcoffee@yahoo.com wrote: > << in Wideband mode, the SR-III delivers truly > FM-quality sound, but has very little > selectivity. >> > > Is this also true for the SR 1 and 2? No bandwidth switch on those. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 20:58:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79336 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 04:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 04:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 04:58:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 04:58:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:58:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 207 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.10 Subject: It's mine... all mine! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's a little early Christmas present I just got for myself, ready to be converted to AM Stereo... a Heathkit AJ-21 High Fidelity AM Tuner: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3064966551 From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 20:58:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45562 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 04:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 04:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 04:58:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20031218045843.64893.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.25.63] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:58:43 PST Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:58:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031218045400.28181.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.43 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus There is the GE SR 111 but theres the sangean ATS818CS that records but no AM Stereo on that one and is digital to 30Mhz and has SSB. Michael --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- kevtronics@yahoo.com wrote: > > Not easily. There was a rare "Superadio Plus" > with > > > I have a GE boombox that appears to be a SR II tuner > in it. It's VERY big and heavy. > > Do you know the model number of the the cassette > unit? > Powell ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w6yn@juno.com Wed Dec 17 21:04:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33956 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 05:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 05:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 05:04:29 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCcuoAX8zm5gDL+qnLyikoBM=">; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:04:22 PST Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JHNJK3RG; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:04:22 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:03:40 -0800 Message-ID: <20031217.210341.1412.6.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-23 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I have several GE Superadios. They all have a "normal/wide bandwidth" switch. Nowhere do they say "Superadio I, II or III " just "Superadio." They do have great audio. How does one tell the difference between models? 73, Don On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:42:41 -0000 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > > Is this also true for the SR 1 and 2? > > Only the Superadio III offers switchable normal/wide bandwidth. The > > "I" and II have a single "medium" bandwidth. > > > What other current radios offer comparable wideband modes to the > > Super Radio's? > > Various radios have better-than-average AM tuners, but none even > come > close to the Superadio series, at least not in that price range (I > got my SR-III for $49.99 at Sears). From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Dec 17 21:35:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79096 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 05:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 05:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 05:35:42 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031218052504.MMXI9968.fed1mtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:25:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:25:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <89C70BA3-311A-11D8-B823-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.126 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} It's mine... all mine! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a Fisher "Professional" AM tuner, sans case and front panel. I assume it still works, although I have not fired it up in years. Think I should convert it to stereo? Are there easy-to-understand plans to do it? On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 08:58 PM, kevtronics@yahoo.com wrote: > Here's a little early Christmas present I just got for myself, > ready to be converted to AM Stereo... a Heathkit AJ-21 High Fidelity > AM Tuner: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3064966551 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Dec 17 22:07:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61436 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 06:07:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 06:07:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 06:07:11 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031218043155.RTGY3322.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:31:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:31:55 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1C3C8D28-3113-11D8-B823-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.244 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did not know that. On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 06:24 PM, kevtronics@yahoo.com wrote: > because since Sony took over Aiwa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 22:21:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89674 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 06:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 06:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 06:21:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 06:21:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:21:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031217.210341.1412.6.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2151 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.10 Subject: Re: Superadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Nowhere do they say "Superadio I, II or III " just "Superadio." > How does one tell the difference between models? If it has a boxy, "old fashioned" case, lots of chrome, and a single full-range speaker, it's the original Superadio (unofficially known as the "Superadio I"). The Superadio "II" (not marked as such) is the same as the "I", except with a two-way woofer/tweeter speaker system, and perhaps some minor changes/improvements to the tuner circuitry. The Superadio III (not marked as "III" on the radio itself, but that's what GE calls it) has a restyled black plastic case, a larger speaker system, Expanded Band tuning (marked on the dial up to 1700 kHz), a Wide/Normal bandwidth switch, and different circuitry featuring varactor tuning instead of a conventional tuning capacitor. The Superadio III also features NRSC de-emphasis (or at least an approximation of it) when the Treble control is set to the middle position (in Wide mode). It also has a "Loudness" feature which boosts the bass a lower volume levels; I don't think the earlier Superadios have that. Finally, the headphone jack on the III is a 1/8" stereo jack, so even though it's a mono radio, when using stereo headphones or the stereo aux input of an amplifier, you will get sound out of both channels without needing an adapter. Initially, the Superadio III's box had the AMAX logo on it. These days, the AMAX logo is gone, and instead, the box talks about the radio has having an "AM Accent" feature (referring to the Wide/Normal bandwidth switch). And don't be confused by Radio Shack's copy of the Superadio III, sold under the "Optimus" brand. It may look almost the same, and cost almost the same, and even has "SUPER RADIO" imprinted on the circuit board, but it is _not_ a direct copy of any GE Superadio. It is very similar, though -- but the speaker system is smaller, the audio amp is less powerful, the AM ferrite bar antenna is smaller, and the overall performance is lower. However, two advantages of the Optimus "Superadio III-clone" include better selectivity in "Wide" bandwidth mode, and better dial calibration. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 22:39:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29631 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 06:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 06:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 06:39:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 06:39:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:39:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 606 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.6 Subject: Re: Superadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevtronics@y... wrote: > Initially, the Superadio III's box had the AMAX logo on it. These > days, the AMAX logo is gone, and instead, the box talks about the > radio has having an "AM Accent" feature (referring to the Wide/Normal > bandwidth switch). I wonder whatever happened to AMAX (or was it properly called "AMax")? They seem to have completely disappeared, and all that seems left are some promos and logos on older radios. (I wonder if it can even be called an abandoned trademark! They're not so nearly protected as copyrights.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Dec 17 22:39:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40912 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 06:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 06:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 06:39:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 06:39:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:39:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 635 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Originating-IP: 66.81.56.99 Subject: Re: Sony SRF A-300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, deepcoffee@y... wrote: > Are the controls labelled in Japanese or English? HI Stereo Mono japanes AM FM english tuneimg light and Tuneing japanes dail light japanes power on off and timer japanes volume and volume scale japanes Sony SRF A300 english dial am 530 to 1600 fm 76 to 92 english Sony lable on bottum english Owners Manual japanes Hope this helps you. Its a very nice sounding portable am stereo radio and you can get it to tune up to 97 fm stereo. Of corse Am Stereo is more populer over in japan bacause of the mountains. Jim S From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Dec 17 23:12:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45395 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 07:12:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 07:12:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 07:12:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 07:12:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:12:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4345 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.56.99 Subject: {AMSF} Re: What? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > > > True, and it is. :) I happen to be fascinated by the subject, even > > though I really don't watch much TV. > > > Hey Jim > > You are technically correct that this is an AMS discussion list. But you > are pretty new here - and it's GREAT to have you! > > But from time to time we do go off at tangents ... and worse. > > Don't get too upset about all this recent stuff. It was a natural flowing > exercise in people sharing info. I found it interesting but found myself > out of my depth so didn't get into it. > > There are lots of really good people here - but sometimes things go quiet > on the AMS front. Even so - this remains a very active list. And that's > a good thing in that any message on a quiet day is better than nothing. > > We all pretty much want to advance AM stereo because we know how good it > is!!! > > In my case I'm fighting a very slowly losing battle in Oz through lack of > other Oz participants. Not The Two Matts from Brisbane - but the other > Aussies on this list. (You know who you are. I don't.) > > And I usually now don't post much to this list simply because I have > nothing positive to say - cause things simply don't change here. > > However ... I'll be Judas. > > My reasons for being on this (and other) AMS lists has been totally > personal. I want to hear my favourite Melbourne radio stations in hi-fi > stereo. > > When FM stereo arrived here in 1975 it sounded great. But all we had for > 5 years were a few community stations. I didn't particularly like their > programming much. But they were ahead of what was to come and > manufacturers bombarded us buyers with AM/FM stereo radios. It was very > well planned. > > Then in 1980 "it" arrived! The wonders of FM radio! Trouble was I didn't > like any of the commercial stations or even the ABC's classical station. > > All this hope ... gone! And here we are 23 years later and in my opinion > (a personal one) no station on the FM band I want to call home. > > Then in 1985 we got AM stereo!!! And it was truly a Godsend. Finally > some stations that I could personally enjoy in hi-fi stereo. > > I've loved it to death for 18 years. And would be happy enough with it > till I die. > > But!!! I am coming to the realisation that maybe the best days are over. > > If Oz can go Eureka DAB and our radio stations stay pretty much the same > I'd support it. And I am glad that tests are going to be carried out in > Melbourne. If I can buy a DAB walkman to hear it I will. > > And at least during the trials our radio stations will stay the same - as > they'll simulcast. > > Funilly enough one of my greatest radio listenership times was in 1975 > listening to the trial broadcasts for 3MP - Melbourne's newest AM station > in 40 years. (I hope it can regain some of it's deserved success.) > > I love radio. And don't like change. Particularly letting overseas > interests control what I believe is possibly the best radio system in the > world. Oz radio is exceptionally good. Possibly 10 years behind US radio > - and that's probably why. Also much more like British radio - if perhaps > a bit ahead in programming. > > I'm open to any good reasonably inexpensive hi-fi stereo radio system as > long as it's for the most part live and local. > > That's why I support AM stereo here in Australia. > > Jim. Don't ever worry about your spelling! The beancounters aren't > worried about spelling. They're worried about money. And there's not > much we can do on this list about that - except vote these types of people > out at the next election - whichever elections we have. > > AM stereo Forever! > > > Ian > Oz > > > Keep Punching!! Hi Ian Now that i thinking of it i will take back my "what" because its all RF trannsmitting even digatal braodcasts. Thanks for the encorageing words Ian. I know a doctor fire cheif named Ian Gow 6.5 ft about 350 lbs and red hair. When i first met him i wanted to remember his name and i looked at his name and i said ,"you name sounds orantal but you are not that you are irish"! Red hair!!! Another good Ian in the word you bothe are very good pepole. Thanks agin Ian Jim S From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Dec 17 23:25:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60815 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 07:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 07:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 07:25:42 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031218072541.QNSX3905.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 02:25:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:25:40 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <62101A36-312B-11D8-88EB-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.241 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Superadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I convinced my friend to buy a SRIII... lo ad behold, the dial is actually accurate! On AM at least. She doesn't listen to FM so we didn't check it. It has blue accents. Mine is generally all black. On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 10:21 PM, kevtronics@yahoo.com wrote: > However, two advantages of the > Optimus "Superadio III-clone" include better selectivity in "Wide" > bandwidth mode, and better dial calibration. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Dec 18 00:18:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98094 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 08:18:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 08:18:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 08:18:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 08:18:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:18:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1146 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.56.99 Subject: Re: Dymek DA-5 AM Antenna on Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, tom_richard1980@y... wrote: > Here's the URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3066135931&category=50593 > > You could also put "Dymek" in their search engine. > > There's 4 days left for this item. I bought one of these in 1980 and > wouldn't think of parting with it. I'm in San Francisco, and I picked > up WBZ Boston (When KTWO was off the air) with this antenna and the > Realistic TM 1001 tuner. > > Tom Hi Tom Do you like KFRC AM 610? I do very much and have sence 1973 with Dr Done Rose at www.drdonrose.com. Well i can't get 99.7 fm all the time i am to far away from Dayly Citey. I have been lisening to them sence 1973 at the same location 40 miles north east of Sacramento Ca. If you miss there c-quam signal like i do drop Phil Lazera at plazera@cbs.com tell him how much you miss his station in am stereo and that there are still many more am stereo's out in the world then he thinks. For so reason he thinks IBOC is the cats mow but we all here know that not everything siny and new is not all good. Strangth in numbers i all way say. Thanks Jim S From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Dec 18 00:18:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83634 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 08:18:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 08:18:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 08:18:43 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.161]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 03:23:58 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c3c53f$58bd0520$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <89C70BA3-311A-11D8-B823-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 03:17:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} It's mine... all mine! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Converting a tube tuner is easy. Being that the decoder has such a sensitive input, you can use the input wire as a probe, and actually "sniff out" the best place to put the input. You cannot directly connect the decoder, due to high voltages present. A "Gimmik" or capacity coupling works great. Best spot is the INSULATED wire that goes to the plate lead of the last IF tube. The power for the decoder is easy. As long as the tuner is transformer powered, you come off the filament wires into a full wave bridge rectifier and a 1000 Uf filter, then into the decoder. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Wagoner From dav259@csiro.au Thu Dec 18 00:31:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40819 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 08:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 08:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 08:31:08 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBI8V5BS022416 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:31:06 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:31:05 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, jimsmith95663 wrote: > > Keep Punching!! > > Hi Ian Now that i thinking of it i will take back my "what" because > its all RF trannsmitting even digatal braodcasts. Thanks for the > encorageing words Ian. I know a doctor fire cheif named Ian Gow 6.5 > ft about 350 lbs and red hair. When i first met him i wanted to > remember his name and i looked at his name and i said ,"you name > sounds orantal but you are not that you are irish"! Red hair!!! > Another good Ian in the word you bothe are very good pepole. Thanks > agin Ian Jim S You are too kind Jim. Maybe I should call you St. James. :) Frankly you are much more technically adept than me. All I know is what I hear. Ian was a very common name in the British Isles and my roots go back to Scotland. As a matter of fact Ian is Scottish for "gift of God". (Of course the Lord works in mysterious ways ...) GoG Heavenly Melbourne From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Dec 18 00:35:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52183 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 08:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 08:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 08:35:53 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.161]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 03:41:08 -0500 Message-ID: <006301c3c541$bec60360$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 03:34:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Even tho' the tuner module has changed, the chip is still the same. Bandwidth is a bit lower now, as they went to using a ceramic filter. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:01 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevtronics@y... wrote: > > > I'd recommend a Philips-Magnavox radio. I don't know about the > > latest models From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 09:04:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60855 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 17:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 17:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 17:04:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 17:04:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:04:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006301c3c541$bec60360$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 335 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Coffee Shop Times" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee So... since the GE SuperRadio III cannot be coverted to AM Stereo, are the old FM-AM simulcast tube tuners (like the McIntosh MR66 and the Fisher 800 B) our best bets at finding hi-fi AM with super wideband reception? I've noticed that these FM-AM simulcast tuners offer FOUR settings for band width! That's nice to have, right! From w6yn@juno.com Thu Dec 18 09:08:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69379 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 17:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 17:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 17:08:03 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCWy24lSN+K9cACcl74RD8ZY=">; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:07:51 PST Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JHPTYTAR; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:07:51 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:51:58 -0800 Message-ID: <20031218.090652.836.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Superadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Wow. Thanks for all of the information on the SuperRadio line! Don On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:21:36 -0000 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > > Nowhere do they say "Superadio I, II or III " just "Superadio." > > How does one tell the difference between models? > > If it has a boxy, "old fashioned" case, lots of chrome, and a single > > full-range speaker, it's the original Superadio (unofficially known > > as the "Superadio I"). > > The Superadio "II" (not marked as such) is the same as the "I", > except with a two-way woofer/tweeter speaker system, and perhaps > some > minor changes/improvements to the tuner circuitry. > > The Superadio III (not marked as "III" on the radio itself, but > that's what GE calls it) has a restyled black plastic case, a larger > > speaker system, Expanded Band tuning (marked on the dial up to 1700 > > kHz), a Wide/Normal bandwidth switch, and different circuitry > featuring varactor tuning instead of a conventional tuning > capacitor. > > The Superadio III also features NRSC de-emphasis (or at least an > approximation of it) when the Treble control is set to the middle > position (in Wide mode). It also has a "Loudness" feature which > boosts the bass a lower volume levels; I don't think the earlier > Superadios have that. Finally, the headphone jack on the III is a > 1/8" stereo jack, so even though it's a mono radio, when using > stereo > headphones or the stereo aux input of an amplifier, you will get > sound out of both channels without needing an adapter. > > Initially, the Superadio III's box had the AMAX logo on it. These > days, the AMAX logo is gone, and instead, the box talks about the > radio has having an "AM Accent" feature (referring to the > Wide/Normal > bandwidth switch). > > And don't be confused by Radio Shack's copy of the Superadio III, > sold under the "Optimus" brand. It may look almost the same, and > cost almost the same, and even has "SUPER RADIO" imprinted on the > circuit board, but it is _not_ a direct copy of any GE Superadio. > It is very similar, though -- but the speaker system is smaller, the > > audio amp is less powerful, the AM ferrite bar antenna is smaller, > and the overall performance is lower. However, two advantages of > the > Optimus "Superadio III-clone" include better selectivity in "Wide" > bandwidth mode, and better dial calibration. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 11:56:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49189 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 19:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 19:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 19:56:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 19:56:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:56:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 208 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Coffee Shop Times" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: FYI: Sansui S-X1130 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Kevtronics says this unit has its own AM stereo decoder circuitry... not Sony's. Don't know if that's a good or a bad thing. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3066160191&category=50592 From stodd@vippn.com Thu Dec 18 12:01:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56673 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 20:01:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 20:01:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 20:01:47 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-14-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.14]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 686A314E0A1 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:01:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006a01c3c5a2$137340c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:01:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Any good hi-fi AM tuner should be a good conversion project, though you may have to add another output jack on it. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coffee Shop Times" > are the old FM-AM simulcast tube tuners (like the McIntosh MR66 and > the Fisher 800 B) our best bets at finding hi-fi AM with super > wideband reception? From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 12:06:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93234 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 20:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 20:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 20:06:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 20:06:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:06:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 379 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Coffee Shop Times" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: It's mine... all mine! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Hope you provide us all with an mp3 sampling of its sound... once you've got it up and running! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevtronics@y... wrote: > Here's a little early Christmas present I just got for myself, > ready to be converted to AM Stereo... a Heathkit AJ-21 High Fidelity > AM Tuner: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3064966551 From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 12:12:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61225 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 20:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 20:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 20:12:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 20:11:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:10:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006a01c3c5a2$137340c0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 261 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Coffee Shop Times" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << Any good hi-fi AM tuner should be a good conversion project, though you may have to add another output jack on it. >> But I'm concerned with radios that arrive with a wide band setting that matches the SuperRadio III. That reduces the field, doesn't it? From tkienzle22@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 13:33:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tkienzle22@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94966 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 21:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 21:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 21:33:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 21:32:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:32:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 93 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "tkienzle22" X-Originating-IP: 24.94.179.207 Subject: Aiwa CR-A31 ?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169406459 X-Yahoo-Profile: tkienzle22 AM Wide/FM Stereo Tuner any good for am reception?? http://hypaudio.com/hypaudio/cra31.html From bjackson@indyradio.com Thu Dec 18 14:12:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97419 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 22:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 22:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 22:12:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 22:11:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:11:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 657 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.108.210.98 Subject: Re: FYI: Sansui S-X1130 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Coffee Shop Times" wrote: > Kevtronics says this unit has its own AM stereo decoder circuitry... > not Sony's. Don't know if that's a good or a bad thing. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3066160191&category=50592 I have one of these...A VERY good sounding AM Stereo radio...*almost* as clean as my Carver tx-11a. But there is a down side. It has a "mute" on AM that can not be (at least not that I can figure out) defeated. So you need a strong AM signal. Great for locals, but *not* for dxing - Brad Jackson - Imaging Director/PM Drive - WKMX, Dothan AL From stodd@vippn.com Thu Dec 18 14:17:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31201 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 22:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 22:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 22:17:10 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-135-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.135]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6224614E0C2 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:17:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001701c3c5b4$fd3993a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:19:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aiwa CR-A31 ?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude IIRC the "AM wide" designation merely means it has expanded band on it. I doubt it would be a winner. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "tkienzle22" > AM Wide/FM Stereo Tuner any good for am reception?? > > http://hypaudio.com/hypaudio/cra31.html From stodd@vippn.com Thu Dec 18 14:37:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27205 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 22:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 22:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 22:37:03 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-135-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.135]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AE2014E0C1 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:37:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001b01c3c5b7$c4e2f0c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:28:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yes, but even an OK radio can often be broadbanded at a small penalty in sensitivity. I suppose you could wait for another one of those Heathkit tuners to show up on Ebay; that or McKay/Dymek which also made some fine tuners. A lot of the larger Panasonic, Sansui, and Kenwood tuners from the 70s and early 80s were pretty decent too. Or do you specifically need a portable? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coffee Shop Times" > But I'm concerned with radios that arrive with a wide band setting > that matches the SuperRadio III. That reduces the field, doesn't it? From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 14:53:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81427 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 22:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 22:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 22:53:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 22:53:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:53:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01c3c5b7$c4e2f0c0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1315 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Coffee Shop Times" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << Or do you specifically need a portable? >> Nope, I don't need a portable. I've just heard and read about the great sound you can get out of the SR III wide mode, and so I would like to get something for my home rack that will suck in as wide a swath of the signal as possible (for local stations). A McKay Dymek WOULD be especially nice! But a tube unit with extra wide band would be cool, too. This site has an interesting blurb about the AM Tuner on the Fisher 800B: http://antiqueradio.org/fish02.htm The money quote: "The nail in the coffin for FM-AM stereo may have been the inherently inferior sound quality of AM. Manufacturers tried to overcome this by making the AM sections of these receivers extremely high quality, with features such as variable bandwidth. Despite their best efforts, however, this system could never sound as good as one that provided both channels on FM. Consequently, the FM-AM system soon faded into oblivion. Although you can't receive FM-AM broadcasts today, the 800-B's high- performance AM section makes it a VERY fine AM radio. It is also an outstanding stereo FM receiver, so it is practical and desirable radio to own, as well as historically interesting" You gotta like the sound of that, don't you? >>Or do you specifically need a portable? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 15:55:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17460 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 23:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 23:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 23:55:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 23:55:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:55:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01c3c5b7$c4e2f0c0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2555 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key #1. How do you make the back and forward buttons in Mozilla stop erasing what I'm typing in these boxes? ok, now on with my normal part of the message after a cleaned-up venting of my frustrations at having my message almost entirely typed twice then losing it all... now I'm using notepad this time and going to paste it in...) I would prefer a portable, like something along the lines of a Walkman, Shockwave, etc. Anyone know of something that's good at getting good audio quality and Dx'ing distanct stations out from under strong local ones? Here's a couple scenarios: scenario #1: Radio Disney AM 1110 KDIS - approx 33=B0W of north and 111.5 miles away, groundwave field strength (estimated via radio-locator.com and FCC database viewer software) approx 500 to 750 uV/m offending station at 1130KHz - approx 6.3 miles and 8=B0W of north, GW FS approx 72 to 94 mV/m scenario #2: religious program I want to listen to at 7:30 Sunday mornings (at that time I would think some skywave might help some) on KPRO 1570. distance approx 85.1 mi & 18=B0W of north, approx GW FS of 2.5 to 5.5 uV/m, 50% SW FS approx 45.7 uV/m, 10% SW FS approx 92.3 uV/m. offending station on 1580 approx 118.8 miles and 40=B0W of north, approx 50% SW FS 2259.1 uV/m and 10% approx 4563.1 uV/m. This one also interferes with my daytime (and to a lesser extent at night although it often comes in much stronger then) reception of 1580 KMIK from Tempe, AZ (Radio Disney unfortunately though in mono). Any suggestions? My budget is quite limited - about the cost of a near new SRF-42 (not the $100+ that some go for on ebay but what you would pay for one in a store if it was still being sold, or what I paid for a used one I got - approx $40 or so several months ago) or a few-year-old walkman or shockwave is all I can really afford. Digital tuning is a must, btw. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Yes, but even an OK radio can often be broadbanded at a small penalty in > sensitivity. I suppose you could wait for another one of those Heathkit > tuners to show up on Ebay; that or McKay/Dymek which also made some fine > tuners. A lot of the larger Panasonic, Sansui, and Kenwood tuners from the > 70s and early 80s were pretty decent too. Or do you specifically need a > portable? >=20 > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Coffee Shop Times" >=20 > > But I'm concerned with radios that arrive with a wide band setting > > that matches the SuperRadio III. That reduces the field, doesn't it? From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Dec 18 16:14:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50493 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 00:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 00:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 00:14:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2003 00:14:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:14:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 70 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.11.218 Subject: Re: FYI: Sansui S-X1130 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Working link :http://tinyurl.com/266sm Wideband switch with this ? From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Dec 18 17:53:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95765 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 01:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 01:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 01:10:02 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.50]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:10:01 -0700 To: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:09:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: FYI: Sansui S-X1130 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've always wanted one of these. They look pretty nice. MJR -----Original Message----- From: Dave [mailto:amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:15 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: FYI: Sansui S-X1130 on eBay Working link :http://tinyurl.com/266sm Wideband switch with this ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 18:07:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4449 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 02:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 02:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 02:07:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20031219020709.12112.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.116] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:07:09 PST Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:07:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.81 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Coffee Shop Times wrote: > << Any good hi-fi AM tuner should be a good > conversion project, > though you may have to add another output jack on > it. >> > > But I'm concerned with radios that arrive with a > wide band setting > that matches the SuperRadio III. That reduces the > field, doesn't it? The Hallicrafters SX-62 series has a VERY wide position, and 6 others. It weighs 50 pounds. Big, heavy, loud....a pair of 6V6's in push pull. 14 tubes. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 18:15:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72708 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 02:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 02:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 02:00:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20031219020037.1496.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.116] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:00:37 PST Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:00:37 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} It's mine... all mine! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- kevtronics@yahoo.com wrote: > Here's a little early Christmas present I just got > for myself, > ready to be converted to AM Stereo... a Heathkit > AJ-21 High Fidelity > AM Tuner: Notice those 2 black molded capacitors? They need to go to protect the radio. They will fail, sooner than later. It's most likely they are leaking now. They were defective when made. ( Same as those black color coded capacitors called black beauties, and LESS nice names).... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 18:32:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58815 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 02:32:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 02:32:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 02:32:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2003 02:31:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:31:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031219020709.12112.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Coffee Shop Times" X-Originating-IP: 66.138.73.191 Subject: Hallicrafters SX-62 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << The Hallicrafters SX-62 series has a VERY wide position, and 6 others. It weighs 50 pounds. Big, heavy, loud....a pair of 6V6's in push pull. 14 tubes. >> Wow. That IS something. Looks like there are at least three of them on eBay right now... After adding the AM Stereo decoder and a stereo out jack, what sorts of things would you do to it to make it more Hi-Fi? I have no idea what the Mckay Dymek has that non-Hi-Fi AM receivers don't. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 19:20:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20774 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 03:20:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 03:20:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 03:20:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2003 03:20:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:20:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 300 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: Kahn tuner? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, deepcoffee@y... wrote: > Well, if you're in WBDH's coverage area (highly unlikely, huh?), then > you can tune them in ....Or if you live in an area that has a station that will be testing Kahn's new CAM-D, you'll also be in luck with that tuner. --Tony S. From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Dec 18 21:17:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6184 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 05:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 05:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.117) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 05:17:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:17:26 -0800 Received: from 172.154.248.149 by bay7-dav13.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:17:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:15:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2003 05:17:26.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[6472DA10:01C3C5EF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.117 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.154.248.149] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Coffee Shop Times wrote: >I've just heard and read about the great sound you can get out of the SR III wide mode, and so I would like to get something for my home rack that will suck in as wide a swath of the signal as possible (for local stations). Buy a FanFare! Kevin From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Dec 18 23:49:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8489 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 07:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 07:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 07:49:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2003 07:49:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:49:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 536 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.62.82 Subject: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Coffee Shop Times wrote: > >I've just heard and read about the great sound you can get out of the SR > III wide mode, and so I would like to get something for my home rack that > will suck in as wide a swath of the signal as possible (for local stations). > > Buy a FanFare! > > Kevin Hi Yowyee!!!! Maybe something a little cheaper like Sony or mcs 3050 or Sansui Chris Cuff converted pioneer or Marantz or some thing cheap like that. jim s From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 23:58:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31892 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 07:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 07:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 07:58:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20031219075832.26495.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.25.63] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:58:32 PST Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:58:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.48 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus There is a cheap $800+ carver 11b on ebay!!!!! M --- jimsmith95663 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum > Hunter" > > > Kevin > Hi Yowyee!!!! Maybe something a little cheaper > like Sony or mcs > 3050 or Sansui Chris Cuff converted pioneer or > Marantz or some thing > cheap like that. jim s ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 06:59:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18570 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 14:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 14:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 14:58:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20031219145828.2565.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.121] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:58:28 PST Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:58:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hallicrafters SX-62 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Coffee Shop Times wrote: > << The Hallicrafters SX-62 series has a VERY wide > position, and 6 others. It weighs > 50 pounds. Big, heavy, loud....a pair of 6V6's in > push pull. 14 tubes. >> > > Wow. That IS something. Looks like there are at > least three of them on eBay right > now... > > After adding the AM Stereo decoder and a stereo out > jack, what sorts of things would > you do to it to make it more Hi-Fi? I have no idea > what the Mckay Dymek has that > non-Hi-Fi AM receivers don't. I don't think you can make it any more hifi in the AM widest mode. It's wider than a GE SR III in wide, and actually it's necessary to tune in the medium position and switch to wide. Wide only sounds really good with a strong signal. When WISW 1320 was running Standards off the bird, I never listened in wide, the STL had too much hiss in it, and the medium position is not that bad. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Dec 19 07:10:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54219 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 15:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 15:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 15:10:21 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:10:10 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01c3c642$32151710$5401010a@AM> To: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:10:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: MCS 3050 Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all.... Just remembered...I saw an MCS 3050 tuner at a pawn shop in Salt Lake City. I already have one, but if someone here on this list wants it, I'll pick it up for you. I think they want about $50 for it. If you've been on this list a while, then you've read all about this little tuner. It's not a portable, it connects to your home stereo. A decent little tuner. Digitally tuned, but no expanded band. I've always felt the bandwidth is okay, although my Marantz SR941 seems to be a little brighter. I don't know if anyone's ever looked inside their 3050 to see if maybe there's a way to brighten it up some. Then again, you'd compromise selectivity. As Kevin T has said before, this tuner is a good balance between selectivity and bandwidth. Email me off-list at michaelj@vcn.com if you'd like it and we can work out the details. If you've always wanted an AM Stereo tuner, this one is a good candidate for you. Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Dec 19 07:21:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30370 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 15:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 15:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 15:21:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2003 15:20:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:20:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3060 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 Subject: Why AM can be so superior to FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Long term members of this forum may recall my recounting of the tale of CJFX's flip from a 25kw AM Stereo flamethrower that blanketed eastern Nova Scotia, all of Cape Breton Island and eastern PEI, with a decent secondary signal in much of Labrador, parts of Quebec and New Brunswick, and the southwestern half of Newfoundland to a 75.4 kw Class C1 FM with a 50 mile coverage radius and severe co-channel interference in its fringes from 12 kw CJYC 150 plus miles away. It now seems that CJFX is starting to realize that the move to FM wasn't all it dreamed of: Inverness, Nova Scotia Application No. 2003-0991-5 Application by ATLANTIC BROADCASTERS LIMITED to amend the licence of radio programming undertaking CJFX- FM Antigonish. The licensee proposes to add an FM transmitter at Inverness to broadcast the programming of CJFX-FM, to adequately serve the population of Inverness. The transmitter will operate on frequency 97.5 MHz (channel 248B) with an average effective radiated power of 2,330 watts (maximum effective radiated power 10,000 watts/effective antenna height 174.2 metres). The licensee notes that this proposal should rectify a major coverage deficiency to northern Inverness County on Cape Breton Island. Of course, the AM had pounded into northern Inverness County since 1991, with a reasonable signal there since the station was established in March 1943. There are numerous other major coverage deficiencies throughout Cape Breton Island and western Guysborough County which would need to be addressed before CJFX's total FM coverage would "closely mirror" its old AM killer signal on 580. As a regional station, [the Town of Antigonish has only 5000 people, 9000 during the university year of September to May] CJFX needs wide coverage. The question which remains is, how many more FM repeaters will X-FM [or EX-AM lol] be applying for in the years ahead. My estimates would be that CJFX would need at least 4 or 5 FM sites to "closely mirror" the primary coverage area of the circa 1991 - engineered from the ground radials on up for CQUAM - 580 AM Stereo flamethrower. Given the nature of the radio market and frequency allocations, it would be impossible to duplicate the secondary coverage. For local, urban, suburban coverage, FM is the best choice. For regional coverage, or coverage of rugged terrain [Cape Breton Island has very rugged terrain to go with its spectatcular scenery]AM, particularly with lots of power, and low on the dial for a dynamite ground wave] was, is and always will be, the best choice. Phil R. PEI Canada P.S. Apparent 580 CKY in Winnipeg is starting to get a little "knocking of the knees" concerning its flip to FM. Almost any day, I expect to see an application for CFRA to up its power to 50kw at night, something they have long dreamed of. When CFRA has run 50kw at night in the past [such as the great ice storm emergency of 2000] its signal could be heard at night quite clearly from Ottawa east to Charlottetown - a lot of real estate! From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Dec 19 07:36:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23251 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 15:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 15:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 15:36:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2003 15:36:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:36:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031219145828.2565.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3465 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hallicrafters SX-62 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking While on the subject of old Halli boatanchors, my S-85 while a much simpler rig, has surprisingly wide bandwidth and very good selectivity as well - no problem listening to 740 CHCM by day, and 740 CHWO by night, in spite of the fact that I live in the saturation zone of 720 CHTN. Its top end is identical to my Kenwood R-1000 in wide - 12 khz IF bandwidth translating into 6000 Hz of audio top end. It would be very easy to add one of Chris's decoders to my S-85. BTW, congrats Kevin T. on joining the tube tuner club! I think you'll love it. Even IBOC John has some kind words to say for the old hiFi tube tuners, Heaths, McIntosh's [I believe he is especially partial to the Mc's, who wouldn't be, but they don't come cheap!!!] and many others, of which the Heaths tend to be the affordable ones, sometimes needing a lot of cold solder joints [kit syndrome] attended to. I adore my PT-1. Be careful of the paper caps and the old electrolytics too, and ensure that the fuse is the specified value, to provide at least some protection if the filter caps develop a short. My PT-1 [factory wired, by the way - a Heath, rather than a Heathkit]is still almost all original, it was NOS - never used, but I installed a current inrush limiter to provide soft starts to ease the strain on the power supply and tube filaments. A recap will be in order in the future, for now I am very careful. If you want a killer tube tuner [AM and FM] the PT-1 and the AJ-30 are hard to beat and at great prices. The good prices won't last long though, as more and more folks are "discovering" these and other great tube tuners. As IBOC John has rightly pointed out, the tube tuners with PC boards can be problematic as the PC board quality, mixed with heat and time based deterioration, can result in problems. Your tube tuner has a hand wired chassis, one less worry. Still, of the 3 PT-1s I've encountered, all 3 had fine PC boards, so I believe its less of a problem than say on the old Heath tube amps with PC boards, such as the AA-100 - noted for major PC board issues on the power amp PC board. Tube gear mixes very, very well with Chris Cuff decoders!!! Phil R. PEI Canada --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Coffee Shop Times wrote: > > << The Hallicrafters SX-62 series has a VERY wide > > position, and 6 others. It weighs > > 50 pounds. Big, heavy, loud....a pair of 6V6's in > > push pull. 14 tubes. >> > > > > Wow. That IS something. Looks like there are at > > least three of them on eBay right > > now... > > > > After adding the AM Stereo decoder and a stereo out > > jack, what sorts of things would > > you do to it to make it more Hi-Fi? I have no idea > > what the Mckay Dymek has that > > non-Hi-Fi AM receivers don't. > > > > I don't think you can make it any more hifi in the AM > widest mode. It's wider than a GE SR III in wide, and > actually it's necessary to tune in the medium position > and switch to wide. Wide only sounds really good with > a strong signal. When WISW 1320 was running Standards > off the bird, I never listened in wide, the STL had > too much hiss in it, and the medium position is not > that bad. > > Powell > > > ===== > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 08:34:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58190 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 16:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 16:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 16:33:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2003 16:32:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:32:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031219145828.2565.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 519 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Hallicrafters SX-62 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > When WISW 1320 was running Standards > off the bird, I never listened in wide, the STL had > too much hiss in it, and the medium position is not > that bad. There are indeed a few AM stations that sound better when received with a narrow bandwidth, such as any station that's using IBOC, or any station that's using a 5 or 6 kHz audio cut-off combined with lots of pre-emphasis. In New York City, 570 WMCA, 710 WOR, and 970 WWDJ are all doing that, and they all sound annoyingly "screechy" in wideband mode. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 08:52:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6876 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 16:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 16:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 16:52:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2003 16:51:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:51:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c3c642$32151710$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1185 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: MCS 3050 Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As Kevin T has said before, this tuner is a good balance between > selectivity and bandwidth. Yes, and when used with a Terk AM Advantage or similar loop antenna, it has _amazing_ sensitivity. During broad daylight, it will pull in stations 100-200 miles away like no other solid-state radio I've tried, except maybe a GE Superadio III. With the Terk, here are some of the distant stations my MCS-3050 can pick up here in central NJ, during pure daytime (groundwave-only) conditions: 580 WHP Harrisburg, PA - 130 miles 810 WGY Schenectady, NY - 150 miles 940 WADV Lebanon, PA - 100 miles (AM Stereo) 1020 WKZE Sharon, CT - 100 miles (when WBZ isn't using IBOC) 1030 WBZ Boston, MA - 210 miles 1080 WTIC Hartford, CT - 120 miles 1090 WBAL Baltimore, MD - 140 miles WHP is 5 kW, WADV is 1 kW, and WKZE is 2.5 kW; the rest are all 50 kW. The MCS-3050 uses a 5 kHz filter with a gradual roll-off, which is a good midpoint between a 3 kHz filter that would be ideal for DXing and a 7.5+ kHz filter that would provide the best hi-fi sound. I also have the matching MCS 10-band stereo equalizer which is great for getting good audio out of both local and distant stations. From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 15:11:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41224 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 23:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 23:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 23:11:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20031219231155.84504.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.110] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:11:55 PST Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:11:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hallicrafters SX-62 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- tubesareking wrote: > While on the subject of old Halli boatanchors, my > S-85 while a much > simpler rig, has surprisingly wide bandwidth and > very good > selectivity as well - no problem listening to 740 > CHCM by day, and > 740 CHWO by night, in spite of the fact that I live > in the > saturation zone of 720 CHTN. Its top end is > identical to my Kenwood > R-1000 in wide - 12 khz IF bandwidth translating > into 6000 Hz of > audio top end. It would be very easy to add one of > Chris's decoders > to my S-85. That's a good radio too, though not quite as wide. Very similar to the earlier model S-40 series. The series went along and the SX-110 is very similar. The SX-99 is the model that has an S-meter. SX meant it had a crystal filter position, the S models do not...usually. The S-76 should have been a SX, and it has a 5 inch S meter! Yes a biiiig un! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 15:13:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32539 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 23:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 23:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 23:13:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20031219231311.8586.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.110] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:13:11 PST Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:13:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hallicrafters SX-62 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > When WISW 1320 was running Standards > > off the bird, I never listened in wide, the STL > had > > too much hiss in it, and the medium position is > not > > that bad. > > There are indeed a few AM stations that sound better > when received > with a narrow bandwidth, such as any station that's > using IBOC, or any > station that's using a 5 or 6 kHz audio cut-off > combined with lots of > pre-emphasis. In New York City, 570 WMCA, 710 WOR, > and 970 WWDJ are > all doing that, and they all sound annoyingly > "screechy" in wideband > mode. That's true, but the audio could have been cleaner. The STL had some high end hiss and frying in it, though the frequency response was fine. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 16:40:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31139 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 00:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 00:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 00:40:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 00:40:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:40:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 373 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.12 Subject: Re: FYI: Sansui S-X1130 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Kevtronics says this unit has its own AM stereo decoder > circuitry... not Sony's. Don't know if that's a good or a bad > thing. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3066160191 Well, somebody with the ID "isb-amstereo" just won that Sansui on eBay, at $62.01 plus $30 shipping (it's heavy!). So, if you're on this group, congrats and good luck! From stodd@vippn.com Fri Dec 19 18:25:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88710 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 02:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 02:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 02:25:20 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-64-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.64]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F1D3714E0D5 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:25:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006301c3c6a0$d47c78a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:27:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you can find one, get it. The mot quite as good as FM problem with these older AM tuners is they use a diode detector. The decoder chips use synchronous detection which is inherently cleaner and more FM-like. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coffee Shop Times" > Although you can't receive FM-AM broadcasts today, the 800-B's high- > performance AM section makes it a VERY fine AM radio. It is also an > outstanding stereo FM receiver, so it is practical and desirable > radio to own, as well as historically interesting" > > You gotta like the sound of that, don't you? From stodd@vippn.com Fri Dec 19 18:30:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98581 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 02:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 02:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 02:30:00 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-64-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.64]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3649C14E0F7 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:29:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006901c3c6a1$7b5afa20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:32:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude In two words- doesn't exist. You'd need something akin to an automotive tuner- it could be fit into something the size of a boombox if some manufacturer was so inclined (doesn't exist either), but walkman-size forget it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" quality and Dx'ing distanct stations out from under strong local ones? scenario #1: Radio Disney AM 1110 KDIS - approx 33°W of north and 111.5 miles away, groundwave field strength (estimated via radio-locator.com and FCC database viewer software) approx 500 to 750 uV/m offending station at 1130KHz - approx 6.3 miles and 8°W of north, GW FS approx 72 to 94 mV/m scenario #2: religious program I want to listen to at 7:30 Sunday mornings (at that time I would think some skywave might help some) on KPRO 1570. distance approx 85.1 mi Any suggestions? My budget is quite limited - about the cost of a near new SRF-42 (not the $100+ that some go for on ebay but what you would pay for one in a store if it was still being sold, or what I paid for a used one I got - approx $40 or so several months ago) or a few-year-old walkman or shockwave is all I can really afford. Digital tuning is a must, btw. From stodd@vippn.com Fri Dec 19 18:31:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63917 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 02:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 02:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 02:31:40 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-64-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.64]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DF5BF14E0D4 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:31:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007501c3c6a1$b6d73fa0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <006301c3c6a0$d47c78a0$827dfea9@home1> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:33:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Should read "not quite as good as FM"- blasted typos! ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:27 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... > If you can find one, get it. The mot quite as good as FM problem with these > older AM tuners is they use a diode detector. The decoder chips use > synchronous detection which is inherently cleaner and more FM-like. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Coffee Shop Times" > > > Although you can't receive FM-AM broadcasts today, the 800-B's high- > > performance AM section makes it a VERY fine AM radio. It is also an > > outstanding stereo FM receiver, so it is practical and desirable > > radio to own, as well as historically interesting" > > > > You gotta like the sound of that, don't you? > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 18:51:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98883 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 02:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 02:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 02:51:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 02:51:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 02:51:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1292 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.12 Subject: The wrath of Kahn (WADO) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics It seems that New York City's 1280 WADO has recently stopped broadcasting in Kahn Power-Side, both on their 50 kW daytime signal and on their 7.2 kW nighttime signal. For years, WADO was a Power-Side station, transmitting it on the upper sideband (or right channel in ISB stereo mode), _with_ a 15 Hz Kahn AM Stereo pilot tone. I have to check on my Sony multi-system tuner if WADO is still transmitting the Kahn pilot tone, but as heard on my Sony SRF-A100, the Power-Side effect is gone from their signal, and it now sounds like any other mono AM signal. That means they could either be using their Kahn exciter in "Normal Stereo" mode -- but without any stereo sound to be heard, as WADO is strictly a mono station -- or they could have disabled it entirely. NYC's 1600 WWRL continues to broadcast in Kahn Power-Side, but since Leonard Kahn's main office is in New York, I'm sure he wouldn't be too happy to learn that WADO may have intentionally shut off their Power-Side... because he may be a factor in why they kept using it! A few years back, I heard from a fellow who did engineering work for WADO, and he said he disabled and disconnected the Power-Side exciter, but upon his next visit to the station, he found it mysteriously reinstalled and in use again. From pd@96wnjo.com Fri Dec 19 19:31:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pd@96wnjo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31499 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 03:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 03:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 03:31:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 03:31:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:31:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 334 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "wnjo960" X-Originating-IP: 67.83.121.197 Subject: SRF-AX15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159836599 X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 I just got it today in the mail as a gift. What can I expect in terms of selectivity and sensitivity? I was listening to 1210 WPHT with their Sinatra program, and it blew me away(my grandfather said that it wasnt stereo, and despite my best efforts, my stepdad says there is no am stereo). Should I have gone for the 300? Thanks! From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 19:50:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20346 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 03:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 03:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 03:50:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 03:49:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:49:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006301c3c6a0$d47c78a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 538 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Coffee Shop Times" X-Originating-IP: 66.140.62.196 Subject: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << The "not quite as good as FM" problem with these older AM tuners is they use a diode detector. The decoder chips use synchronous detection which is inherently cleaner and more FM-like. >> So, if you were converting an old tube tuner with a diode detector, would the AMS decoder chip clean up the signal? Or would you still be limited by diode detector? Or, since I don't know how to work under the hood on these radios, am I missing something--like maybe the decoder chip REPLACES the diode detector once converted to AMS? From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 21:22:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9121 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 05:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 05:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 05:22:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 05:22:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 05:22:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 698 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: The wrath of Kahn (WADO) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > It seems that New York City's 1280 WADO has recently stopped > broadcasting in Kahn Power-Side. I really don't understand the benefits to WADO of the POWERSide these days...Perhaps when WGLI/1290 was still on the air, it was of benefit (as it shifted WADO AWAY from 1290), but now that they bough WGLI and silenced it, is there any benefit derived from the use of a POWERSide? Likewise, Does WWRL have any pesky first adjacents that would require them to use a POWERSide? I thought WWRL bought out most of their first adjacents (and even some on the same frequency) a few years back and silenced them. --Tony S. From dougharding@mindspring.com Fri Dec 19 22:06:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20594 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 06:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 06:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 06:06:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 06:06:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 06:06:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.110.215 Subject: Re: AMAX certification X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding The still current Fanfare FTA-100 tuner has the AMAX trademark on the front of the receiver and is designed to the AMAX specs. > > I wonder whatever happened to AMAX (or was it properly > called "AMax")? They seem to have completely disappeared, and all > that seems left are some promos and logos on older radios. (I wonder > if it can even be called an abandoned trademark! They're not so > nearly protected as copyrights.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Dec 19 22:30:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91752 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 06:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 06:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 06:30:29 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031220063028.QACZ3322.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:30:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:30:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001301c3c53f$58bd0520$0101a8c0@pavilion> Message-Id: <0072F3E3-32B6-11D8-9D81-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.244 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Radio World ... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Click here to get RW NewsBytes via weekly email) Date posted: 2003-12-16 CES Honors HD Radio CES has honored Ibiquity's HD Radio technology in the Innovations 2004 Design and Engineering Showcase to be held in conjunction with the Consumer Electronics Show Jan. 8-11. Independent industry designers, engineers and journalists evaluate the year's most technologically advanced consumer electronics products based on several criteria: user value, aesthetics, contributions to the quality of life, and innovative design and qualities. The annual Innovations Awards selected HD Radio in the Software/Embedded Technologies category. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 23:10:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5617 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 07:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 07:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 07:10:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 07:10:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:10:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0072F3E3-32B6-11D8-9D81-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 747 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.6 Subject: Re: Radio World ... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Date posted: 2003-12-16 > > CES Honors HD Radio > > CES has honored Ibiquity's HD Radio technology in the Innovations 2004 > Design and Engineering Showcase to be held in conjunction with the > Consumer Electronics Show Jan. 8-11. Independent industry designers, > engineers and journalists evaluate the year's most technologically > advanced consumer electronics products based on several criteria: user > value, aesthetics, contributions to the quality of life, and innovative > design and qualities. The annual Innovations Awards selected HD Radio > in the Software/Embedded Technologies category. =string of expletives deleted= Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Fri Dec 19 23:20:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54600 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 07:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 07:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO twix.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 07:20:44 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CF22B62082 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3B9B61DFB for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031220022741.00ab7278@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 02:28:57 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <0072F3E3-32B6-11D8-9D81-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.70 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio World ... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I assume it ain't good to use bad language in here? At 07:10 AM 12/20/2003 +0000, you wrote: >=string of expletives deleted= > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 23:22:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81695 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 07:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 07:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 07:22:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 07:22:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:22:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031220022741.00ab7278@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 198 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.6 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio World ... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > > I assume it ain't good to use bad language in here? Not for the choice words I have in mind! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Fri Dec 19 23:28:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5213 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 07:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 07:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO twix.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 07:28:48 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D84FB61D9A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C71B61D9A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031220023603.02f8cad8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 02:37:05 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031220022741.00ab7278@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.70 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio World ... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of corse I shouldn't assume anything cuz we all know what that makes me! *Grins* At 07:22 AM 12/20/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Not for the choice words I have in mind! :) > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 00:07:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72437 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 08:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 08:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 08:07:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 08:07:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:07:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 407 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.12 Subject: AM transmitters for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This site has various used AM broadcast transmitters for sale, starting with a humble RCA BTA-1R for $895: http://www.radiogearinc.com/forsale/products.htm There's a variety of broadcast gear for sale on that site, although unfortunately not much of it is directly applicable to AM Stereo use. But I'm keeping it bookmarked, just in case something of interest shows up in the "New Arrivals" section. From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Dec 20 00:27:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36480 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 08:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 08:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 08:27:12 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.196]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:32:32 -0500 Message-ID: <005501c3c6d2$dcc90820$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:25:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 You have to take off the signal in the IF area, BEFORE the detector diode. The detector strips the pilot and L-R info out, converting it to AF. The diode , as a rule, must be left in place for proper AGC action. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Coffee Shop Times To: From bratina501@msn.com Sat Dec 20 00:40:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53450 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 08:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 08:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 08:40:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 08:40:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:40:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 385 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.132 Subject: Re: AMAX certification X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > The still current Fanfare FTA-100 tuner has the AMAX trademark on the > front of the receiver and is designed to the AMAX specs. > > The Radio Shack superradio clones (12-604 12-903) might meet the AMAX specification. They have external antenna jacks, expanded band coverage, and wide bandwidth. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 01:03:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34083 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 09:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 09:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 09:03:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 09:03:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:03:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006901c3c6a1$7b5afa20$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1391 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key What would be a good compromise? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > In two words- doesn't exist. You'd need something akin to an automotive > tuner- it could be fit into something the size of a boombox if some > manufacturer was so inclined (doesn't exist either), but walkman-size forget > it. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" >=20 > quality and > Dx'ing distanct stations out from under strong local ones? >=20 > scenario #1: > Radio Disney AM 1110 KDIS - approx 33=B0W of north and 111.5 miles away, > groundwave field strength (estimated via radio-locator.com and FCC > database viewer software) approx 500 to 750 uV/m > offending station at 1130KHz - approx 6.3 miles and 8=B0W of north, GW > FS approx 72 to 94 mV/m >=20 > scenario #2: > religious program I want to listen to at 7:30 Sunday mornings (at that > time I would think some skywave might help some) on KPRO 1570. > distance approx 85.1 mi >=20 > Any suggestions? My budget is quite limited - about the cost of a > near new SRF-42 (not the $100+ that some go for on ebay but what you > would pay for one in a store if it was still being sold, or what I > paid for a used one I got - approx $40 or so several months ago) or a > few-year-old walkman or shockwave is all I can really afford. Digital > tuning is a must, btw. From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Dec 20 06:43:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23965 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 14:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 14:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 14:43:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 14:43:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:43:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 62 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 Subject: Check it out! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3066022249 From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 07:32:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68360 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 15:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 15:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 15:32:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 15:32:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:32:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 189 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Coffee Shop Times" X-Originating-IP: 66.140.62.150 Subject: Re: Check it out! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee That's pretty darned cool! No doubt! Are these tuning ranges typical of japanese radios? FM/TV: 76-90MHz, AM: 531- 1629kHz Most of the AM you'd want, and a sliver of FM public radio. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 09:51:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12482 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 17:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 17:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 17:51:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 17:51:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:51:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 902 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.6 Subject: Re: Check it out! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Coffee Shop Times" wrote: > That's pretty darned cool! No doubt! > > Are these tuning ranges typical of japanese radios? FM/TV: 76- 90MHz, AM: 531- > 1629kHz > > Most of the AM you'd want, and a sliver of FM public radio. The Japanese FM band is 76-92 MHz, and the lower VHF TV band fills up to 108. This is why it's always good to find a Japanese radio with BOTH FM and TV audio coverage- That way, you get the full FM broadcast band. :) Japanese TV stereo audio is, for the most part, the same as regular FM stereo. The one minor difference is how they handle multilingual audio. Unlike the US's MTS stereo system, the Japanese system isn't tied to the video signal at all, thus the pilot, like broadcast FM, is at 19 kHz and so forth. And yes, Japan (and most of the world) doesn't have the AM expanded band. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Sat Dec 20 09:57:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58158 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 17:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 17:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 17:57:55 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-13-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.13]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C56C14E0CB for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:57:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002201c3c723$1cbc6f80$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:00:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's how it works. Tube tuners are easy to convert, too, as Chris said. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coffee Shop Times" like maybe the decoder chip REPLACES the diode detector once > converted to AMS? From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Dec 20 10:02:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80840 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 18:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 18:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 18:02:48 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.211.239.49]) by imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031220180243.SWYI1950.imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:02:43 -0500 Message-ID: <028901c3c723$796bb330$af78fea9@juan> To: Cc: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:02:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.66 From: "Juan / John Gualda" Subject: FM Station in Jupiter, FL ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone remember the FM station liscensed to Jupiter, FL ? If I remember, they were around 96 Mhz on the dial. I remember listening to a Top 40 in the family truckster on vacation one year back in the middle 70's. Our engineer had a piece of equitment (low pass filter) in his truck that had call letters on them, and it also said Jupiter, Florida. He has since thrown out the equitment and I'll be darned if I can remember the call letters. If I am not mistaken, this was an AM/FM combo. The AM was on 1000 khz. Juan Fort Pierce, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Sat Dec 20 10:09:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96375 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 18:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 18:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 18:09:05 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-13-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.13]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 775FE14E0B2 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:09:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005e01c3c724$abae9000$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:11:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM transmitters for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There are a lot more sites like that and radioshopper.com is the place to find them. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > This site has various used AM broadcast transmitters for sale, > starting with a humble RCA BTA-1R for $895: > From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 10:10:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87918 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 18:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 18:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 18:10:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 18:10:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:10:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 294 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.140.62.150 Subject: Re: Japanese FM and TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Amy Mouse writes: "This is why it's always good to find a Japanese radio with BOTH FM and TV audio coverage- That way, you get the full FM broadcast band. :) " Is the reception circuitry the same for FM and TV... so you wouldn't have a different sound on the TV selector than the FM? From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Dec 20 10:22:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89960 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 18:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 18:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 18:22:10 -0000 Received: from [208.187.57.113] (d265-osel-phx.fastq.com [208.187.57.113]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hBKIM8n98582 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:21:52 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: Thanks, Clear Channel for the new RDS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the new lineup in the Phoenix Market for RDS. Its grown! 89.5 KBAQ - KBAQ-FM 94.5 KOOL - KOOL 95.5 KYOT - -KYOT - - FM then the song/artist 96.9 KMXP - Mix 96.9 - then the song/artist 97.3 KRXS - KRXS 97.3 99.9 KESZ - KEZ 99.9 - then the song/artist 101.5 KZON - KZON-FM 102.5 KNIX - KNIX - then the song artist 104.3 KAJM - MEGA 104.7 KZZP - KISS-FM 107.9 KMLE -KMLE Thank you Clear Channel. This is a very nice Christmas present. Bet you never thought you would hear me say that. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 10:25:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35822 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 18:25:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 18:25:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 18:25:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 18:25:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:25:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 833 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.6 Subject: Re: Japanese FM and TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > Amy Mouse writes: "This is why it's always good to find a Japanese radio with BOTH > FM and TV audio coverage- That way, you get the full FM broadcast band. :) " > > > Is the reception circuitry the same for FM and TV... so you wouldn't have a different > sound on the TV selector than the FM? Yes. Most FM/TV radios in Japan have the FM and lower VHF TV in one band, and the upper VHF TV in a separate band. The FM/lower-VHF TV band is always continuous. That's what you should look for in any Japanese radio. :) That way, when there isn't much to hear on AM stereo, you can always use the FM band in its entirety. The best kind of AMS radio you could get out of Japan would have the US expanded band as well as FM/TV. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Sat Dec 20 11:11:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17254 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 19:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 19:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 19:11:48 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-13-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.13]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5926C14E0B1 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:11:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009201c3c72d$6f397c80$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:06:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Thanks, Clear Channel for the new RDS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It's really jumped here too. IIRC there are 7 stations with it and four of those are CC. Oddly enough, the ones who could use it the most and that would be to retune the radio automatically throughout the market, a trimulcast of 105.1, 105.3 and 105.7 (owned by the Mouse) doesn't have it, though two of its others do. Three stations that had it in the past have not resumed using it. I'm trying to sell K-Love on the automatic retuning concept of RDS. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" > Here's the new lineup in the Phoenix Market for RDS. Its grown! From stodd@vippn.com Sat Dec 20 11:11:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11512 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 19:11:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 19:11:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 19:11:50 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-13-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.13]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2448814E0C0 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:11:48 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009301c3c72d$70d57940$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:08:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SuperRadio questions... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you could find a Memorex boom ball and convert it with one of Chris's decoders. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" What would be a good compromise? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > In two words- doesn't exist. You'd need something akin to an automotive > tuner- it could be fit into something the size of a boombox if some > manufacturer was so inclined (doesn't exist either), but walkman-size forget > it. From bd6xray@lycos.com Sat Dec 20 11:38:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bd6xray@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77488 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 19:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 19:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 19:38:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 19:38:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:38:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <028901c3c723$796bb330$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 876 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "bd6xray" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: FM Station in Jupiter, FL ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83174981 X-Yahoo-Profile: bd6xray I looked in my oldest FM Atlas, fifth edition, 1978 and found WRYZ- FM, 96.7, the format was listed as easy listening/jazz. In 1983, it was WVSI-FM, middle of the road. Frequency was last there in 1986, WKSY-FM, rock. Al Hajny --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > Anyone remember the FM station liscensed to Jupiter, FL ? If I remember, they were around 96 Mhz on the dial. I remember listening to a Top 40 in the family truckster on vacation one year back in the middle 70's. > > Our engineer had a piece of equitment (low pass filter) in his truck that had call letters on them, and it also said Jupiter, Florida. He has since thrown out the equitment and I'll be darned if I can remember the call letters. > > If I am not mistaken, this was an AM/FM combo. The AM was on 1000 khz. > > Juan > Fort Pierce, FL From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 12:34:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47677 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 20:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 20:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 20:34:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 20:34:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:34:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <028901c3c723$796bb330$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3465 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: OT: Re: FM Station in Jupiter, FL ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > Anyone remember the FM station liscensed to Jupiter, FL ? ..... I'll be darned if I can remember the call letters. There was a long line of call letters (and frequencies)....The station has belonged (and still belongs to) the Format, Call Letter And Frequency Of The Year Club. Earliest record has it signing on around 1971 with the WRYZ-FM call letters....This went on till about 1980...When the 95.7 allocation was placed in Homestead (sometime around 1980), this bumped Miami's 96.3 to 96.5, and was to have put Jupiter on 107.1, but this never happened...Miami's 96.3/WMJX lost its license in 1981 so that kept things quiet for a while....Jupiter stayed on 96.7...Format (as I saw on Broadcasting Yearbook) was MOR until early 80s, when calls became WCEZ, and the format became apparently Easy Listening, then Progressive.....AM was WVSI, with a Standards format, 1000AM...Around 1983, they started simulcasting the AM standards format on FM, and 96.7 became WVSI. Next record I have is 1985, and the two frequencies split under new owners...1000 AM was WIXI with an R&B/Urban format, and 96.7 was WKTQ with an AC format....briefly thereafter, 96.7 took on the WIXI-FM calls and (as I understand it) 'stole' the "96-X" moniker from the defunct WMJX/Miami...Format was Top 40...This, too, was short lived, and the stations were re-named WKSY AM/FM, with apparently, an AC format...Somewhere around here, Miami's 96.3 was re-activated, bringing back the "96-X" to the Dade/Broward area. Somewhere around this time, also, I believe, AM 1000 would go silent for over a decade...It would keep changing call letters, but wouldn't sign back on until around 1996 or 97, as WJBW(AM). Homestead's 95.7 was ready for sign-on in 1987....This meant Miami's 96.3 had to be bumped to 96.5....The domino effect here meant Jupiter's 96.7 WKSY-FM had to find a new home on the dial...It would be on 99.5. Call letters for what was now 99.5 became WTRU around 1989...Format stayed AC...I remember hearing it at this time.....They were suffering....The whole day I was up in that area I heard them and they ran only two spots......By early 1990, the format became Standards, then Spanish..... Palm Beach broadcaster Chuck Reid challenged WTRU's license around 1993 or 94, and owner Robert Taylor apparently cared so little about the stations that he practically let Reid win the licenses for 99.5 and AM 1000 without much of a fight (or so I'm told)....Reid won, and re-christened 99.5 WADY, but kept it Spanish...Around 1994, he sold the combo and the stations were re-named WJBW AM/FM, and went back to Standards as "Jukebox". The station was sold again around 1998....It would change frequencies- -yet again--in 2001, as part of a multi station change in the FM Table of Allotments in the State of Florida that upgraded the classes of several FM stations...WJBW-FM was now on 106.3. WJBW-FM was swallowed up by the corporate giants in the fall of 2001 when Infinity bought it....I was working for them at the time...They took the Hot AC "Mix" format that was on WMBX/102.3, moved it to WJBW-FM (without changing its calls), and made WMBX a Hip-Hop station....Mix only lasted but a few months on 106.3 before that, too, was blown up and replaced with Urban AC "B-106.3", which it is now....Studios are right next to where I used to work. --Tony S. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 12:51:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23723 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 20:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 20:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 20:51:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 20:51:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:51:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1273 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.13 Subject: Re: Japanese FM and TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The best kind of AMS radio you could get out of Japan would have > the US expanded band as well as FM/TV. The Panasonic AM Stereo walkmans do that. They offer three tuner modes: "9", "10", and "J". "9" is the European mode with 9 kHz AM channel spacing, no Expanded Band, and the regular FM band. "10" is the U.S. mode, with 10 kHz AM channel spacing and full Expanded Band (it tunes 520 - 1710 kHz), and the regular FM band. "J" is Japanese mode, with the same AM coverage as the European mode, but with the Japanese 76-90 MHz FM band and a separate band for Japanese VHF TV audio from (their) Channel 2 through (their) Channel 13 (or 12?). A few of the upper VHF channels line up, for example I think Japanese Ch. 9 is the same as U.S. Channel 10, but the rest are different. But with that Sony Japanese-model radio on eBay, you have to be careful because it might not be able to switch to 10 kHz AM channel spacing, so you might be stuck with 9 kHz channel spacing, where only some of the frequencies will line up or come close; for example, the closest you'd get to 950 kHz is 954 kHz, although the following frequencies would match up to the U.S. channels exactly: 540, 630, 720, 810, 900, 990, 1080, 1170, 1260, 1350, 1440, 1530, and 1620 kHz. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 12:54:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96095 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 20:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 20:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 20:54:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 20:54:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:54:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 269 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: RCA Ampliphase transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 As I understand it, the old RCA Ampliphase transmitters used phase modulation... If I heard a station that was transmitting using an Ampliphase on a Sony forced Stereo radio (in C-QUAM mode, obviously), would I hear any kind of strange/special 'effect'? --Tony S. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 13:34:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3158 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 21:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 21:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 21:33:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20031220213358.74255.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:33:58 PST Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:33:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA Ampliphase transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Anthony wrote: > As I understand it, the old RCA Ampliphase > transmitters used phase > modulation... > > If I heard a station that was transmitting using an > Ampliphase on a > Sony forced Stereo radio (in C-QUAM mode, > obviously), would I hear > any kind of strange/special 'effect'? Not unless it was badly out of adjustment, and then most likely not. They sounded good when maintained, but were a real PITA. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Dec 20 15:22:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36524 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 23:22:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 23:22:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 23:22:46 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.bc.41bd2c4d (3850) for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:22:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:22:43 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.102 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM transmitters for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/20/03 1:12:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, stodd@vippn.c= om=20 writes: > There are a lot more sites like that and radioshopper.com is the place to > find them. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin T." >=20 > >This site has various used AM broadcast transmitters for sale, > >starting with a humble RCA BTA-1R for $895: > > >=20 It would be interesting to see if the exciters on those solid state rigs we= =20 already equiped for C-Quam. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 15:28:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 285 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 23:28:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 23:28:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 23:28:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 23:28:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:28:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 208 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.13 Subject: AM Stereo exciter & mod monitor for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics For sale at Lightner Electronics.... http://tinyurl.com/3es2h "Harris AMS-G1 AM Stereo Exciter, factory rebuilt, like new!" $495 "Harris AM STM-1 Stereo AM Modulation monitor, excellent condition" $495 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 15:52:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51179 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 23:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 23:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 23:52:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 23:52:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:52:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 514 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.13 Subject: Inovonics AM Stereo audio processor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Finally there is a choice for AM Stereo matrix processing besides CRL or Optimod -- the Inovonics 250: http://tinyurl.com/2xpmf (PDF brochure) As the brochure explains, the "Inovonics 250 is a versatile and comprehensive stereo audio processor for AM, FM, or TV broadcasting. ...The 250 performs the multiple functions of slow, "gain-riding" AGC, Multiband Compression and Program Equalization, and final Peak Control conforming to FM/TV pre-emphasis characteristics or matrixed processing for AM Stereo." From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 16:05:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33349 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 00:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2003 00:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 00:05:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20031221000509.98705.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:05:09 PST Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:05:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.143 From: "John P." Subject: Suggestion for low-budget high-quality AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com was looking for economical digitally tuned AM Stereo radios; to which I suggest: IMO, your best bet would be a Chrysler AM stereo car radio or Delco/GM AM stereo car radio. Use one of those with a little 12vdc power supply (or a battery)a pair of speakers (old computer speakers or car speakers) and a loop antenna (Radio Shack or Turk or Selet-a-tenna) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Dec 21 10:12:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77810 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 18:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2003 18:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 18:12:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:12:40 -0800 Received: from 172.168.30.15 by bay7-dav36.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:12:39 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:09:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2003 18:12:40.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[054508A0:01C3C7EE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.93 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.168.30.15] Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA Ampliphase transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Anthony wrote: > If I heard a station that was transmitting using an Ampliphase on a Sony forced Stereo radio (in C-QUAM mode, obviously), would I hear any kind of strange/special 'effect'? No, but if that station is trying to run C-QUAM on a 5KW AmpliPhase, you will hear the worst distortion you have ever heard in your life that will go away when you hit the Mono button. Kevin From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Dec 21 12:19:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11285 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 20:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2003 20:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 20:19:00 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBLKIxP9013386 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:18:59 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <00e101c3c7ff$ab4416e0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:18:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Re: FM Station in Jupiter, FL ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 OK I won't rehas any of the earlier talk about central south Florida fradio, but I do have a couple of questions. Back in the early and mid 70's. what is now WAOA (at the time was WTAI-FM) in Melbourne was a simple Class A, 3kw at 100 meters AAT. Some time in the early 80's they were able upgrade to a class C1 (100 kw at 150 meters AAT). CXan any of you explain whow this happened? Also... IN the early 70's, Faribanks Brocdcasting signed on a new AM in Titusville on 1060 kHz. The Calls were WRMF. Today this stations operates as WIXC and is no longer owned by Fairbanks. The call letters are now claimed by an Hot AC in West Palm Beach, which I believe was at one time owned by Fairbanks. Can ayone explain what happened with these stations. One more thing... Why did WMJX (the former WMYQ) lose their license and didn't they shift from 96.3 to 96.5 somewhere alone the line? I know Bartell owned WMYQ/WMJX when they got their ticket pulled, and I heard it had something to do with illegal contesting, but I never knew exactly what the story was. I know Tony and Juan have extensive knowledge of this area and ear so maybe I can get my ling-time questions anwsered. My last job in Central/South Florida radio was in 1976. I've been an outsider from that point on. From bratina501@msn.com Sun Dec 21 12:49:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2714 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 20:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2003 20:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 20:49:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2003 20:49:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:48:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 379 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.132 Subject: Re: RCA Ampliphase transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Anthony wrote: > No, but if that station is trying to run C-QUAM on a 5KW AmpliPhase, you > will hear the worst distortion you have ever heard in your life that will go > away when you hit the Mono button. That explains why KXEN 1010 in St.Louis is mono during the day and stereo at night. From stodd@vippn.com Sun Dec 21 13:05:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94032 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 21:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2003 21:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 21:05:58 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-116-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.116]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A63F314E08A for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:05:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002b01c3c806$8ddaedc0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:07:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA Ampliphase transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Don Hayworth, the guy who installed AMS at KFGO many moons ago, said the happiest day of his life was when he was able to relegate his old 5kW Amplifuzz to standby status. They were near impossible to make stereo due to something with the way the feedback network was designed. The 50kW units used a different scheme and could be made stereo rather easily. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > No, but if that station is trying to run C-QUAM on a 5KW AmpliPhase, you > will hear the worst distortion you have ever heard in your life that will go > away when you hit the Mono button. From stodd@vippn.com Sun Dec 21 13:06:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90889 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 21:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2003 21:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 21:06:32 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-116-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.116]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B8D414E0A5 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:06:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002f01c3c806$a269af60$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:08:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RCA Ampliphase transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not really- see previous post. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "bratina501" > > That explains why KXEN 1010 in St.Louis is mono during the day and > stereo at night. > From dougharding@mindspring.com Sun Dec 21 13:41:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8549 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 21:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2003 21:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 21:41:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2003 21:41:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:41:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e101c3c7ff$ab4416e0$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1519 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.104.202 Subject: FM Station in Jupiter, FL and the FCC 80-90 docket X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding In the early 80s the FCC issued the 80-90 docket. There were hundreds of stations all over the country that were licensed for 100000 watts and a 2000 foot tower but never took advantage of that. Instead some were broadcasting as Class A or B stations using towers that were only 300 to 500 feet and power of 3kw to 25kw. Why? Because they only cared about covering their county of license and not 50 miles of empty farm land. Under 80-90 the FCC gave these stations one year to upgrade to full power and tower height or forever give up the right to. Even though they were not at full power they were still being protected in case they ever wanted to. Only a few stations took them up on it. So after a year the FCC froze them permanently at their current levels. Then the computers got busy and the FCC found they could now add around 800 new FM channels to the allocation table. I was very involved as a Broadcasting Engineer doing FCC license applications for different companies applying for these new channels. Anyway that is your answer. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > OK I won't rehas any of the earlier talk about central south Florida fradio, > but I do have a couple of questions. > Back in the early and mid 70's. what is now WAOA (at the time was WTAI-FM) > in Melbourne was a simple Class A, 3kw at 100 meters AAT. > Some time in the early 80's they were able upgrade to a class C1 (100 kw at > 150 meters AAT). CXan any of you explain whow this happened? From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Dec 21 17:20:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15354 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 01:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 01:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 01:20:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2003 01:20:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:20:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 203 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 65.67.100.125 Subject: mckay dymek DA-5 antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee One sold on eBay today for $157. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3066135931&category=50593 Does anyone know if that's the standard price? Or lower? Or higher? How do they perform? From baansy@yahoo.com Sun Dec 21 20:21:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49748 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 04:21:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 04:21:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41706.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.123) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 04:21:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20031222042133.47302.qmail@web41706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.147.122.13] by web41706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:21:33 PST Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:21:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.123 From: ANDREW BAANS Subject: Re: {AMSF} PORTABLE AM STEREO RADIO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In cairns the only station that makes the stereo indicator come on is "EASY LISTENING 846 AM http://www.easylistening.com.au/ The only thing is that in stereo mode the sound is distorted. Switch to mono and it is OK. I could not get 4KZ 531 AM Innisfail to make the stereo indicator to come on. Also today while I was in Cairns I had a look at Tandy Electronics(Radio Shack equivilent in Australia) and bought a Optimus black AM only pocket radio for would you believe 93 cents! I guess they just can't get rid of them. Ian Davidson wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2003, baansy wrote: > Over christmas I am going on a bus tour from Cairns to Sydney and I > am taking a Portable AM stereo radio with me that I made myself using > a Eurovox car radio with AM STEREO/FM STEREO. Hey Baansy Nice long trip. Please give a complete list of AM stereo stations you pick up along the way. Are there any up around Cairns? Ian Melbourne Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mark_608@hotmail.com Sun Dec 21 21:02:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28822 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 05:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 05:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.114) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 05:02:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:02:53 -0800 Received: from 68.43.171.59 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 05:02:53 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 00:02:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2003 05:02:53.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB524BB0:01C3C848] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.17.114 From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [68.43.171.59] Subject: Chris Cuff:Philips AZ1305? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Chris... I was given a Philips AZ1305 boombox today. It is kinda cool..has digital tuning and a remote. Is this one a good candidate for conversion? I know that some of the older Philips stuff was... Thanks for any insight you can offer! Mark _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Dec 22 06:25:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85795 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 14:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 14:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 14:25:52 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBMEPpSu023372 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:25:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001c01c3c897$80d2ee70$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:25:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FM Station in Jupiter, FL and the FCC 80-90 docket X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Doug wrote: > In the early 80s the FCC issued the 80-90 docket. There were hundreds > of stations all over the country that were licensed for 100000 watts > and a 2000 foot tower but never took advantage of that. Instead some > were broadcasting as Class A or B stations using towers that were only > 300 to 500 feet and power of 3kw to 25kw. Why? Because they only cared > about covering their county of license and not 50 miles of empty farm > land. Under 80-90 the FCC gave these stations one year to upgrade to > full power and tower height or forever give up the right to. Even > though they were not at full power they were still being protected in > case they ever wanted to. Only a few stations took them up on it. So > after a year the FCC froze them permanently at their current levels. > Then the computers got busy and the FCC found they could now add > around 800 new FM channels to the allocation table. I was very > involved as a Broadcasting Engineer doing FCC license applications for > different companies applying for these new channels. Anyway that is > your answer. Thanks... I always wondered how Docket 80/90 came up with all of those additional frequencies. That did indeed answer my question. A couple of years ago the FCC issued a mandate that any Class C (100,000 watts at 1800 ') that was broadcasting with less than 100 KW and/or a tower less than 900 feet would be downgraded to a Class C0, locked in at their current power/height. They had 2 years to build their facilities to Class C specs or lose their protection. That time was up a few months ago and I see several upgrades and a few new allocations as a result. The wheels are always spinning to slip in new allocations, right? A couple of other quick questions: In the non-com band (below 92.1 mHz) the power level of stations vary considerably. Almost all are Class A licenses, but the power levels vary from 100 watts to 50kw (in the northeast corridor, where there ain't no Class C's). When did they start allowing dial-a-power on FM or has it always been that way in the non-com band. Meanwhile, on our beloved AM band, the power levels used to be consistent: 250 watts, 500 watts, 1kw, 5kw, 10 kw and 50 kw. Now they are all over the place. How did this happen and why? Enquiring minds want to know.... From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 08:45:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25063 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 16:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 16:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 16:45:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2003 16:45:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:45:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e101c3c7ff$ab4416e0$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1046 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 204.215.240.99 Subject: OT: Re: FM Station in Jupiter, FL ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > Today this stations operates as WIXC and is no longer owned by > Fairbanks......Can ayone explain what happened > with these stations. Fairbanks died a few years ago....WIXC is now owned by Genesis Communications, and the old WRMF-FM 98.3/Titusville is now WNUE 98.1 and serving the Orlando market with a Spanish format. > One more thing... Why did WMJX (the former WMYQ) lose their license Fraudulent contesting; I believe, that took place in the late 70s...My understanding is that, among other things, they announced (as a true NEWS story), that one of their jocks was 'lost', when in reality he had checked in with the station...Also I think they said they had 'Warehouses' of bicycles to give away, when they really only had a few. > didn't they shift from 96.3 to 96.5 somewhere alone the line? Not WMJX, but its successor, WPOW "Power 96", in 1987 (the new license that replaced WMJX, which originally signed on as WCJX in 1985)...This was necessitated when WXDJ/Homestead was 'pushed in' on 95.7 in '87. --Tony S. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 08:49:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54944 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 16:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 16:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 16:49:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2003 16:49:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:49:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 255 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 204.215.240.99 Subject: Florida AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 WVOI/1480 (Oldies), and WCNZ/1660 (News/Talk) both Marco Island are both still sending out pilots, but NO separation to be heard. Also, have been told that there are plans to make WSOS/1170 in St. Augustine full AM Stereo very, very soon. --Tony S. From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 12:56:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28653 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 20:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 20:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 20:56:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2003 20:56:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:56:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 421 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: Re: mckay dymek DA-5 antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 The original price in 1980 was $185.00. It's a great performer. It especially does a good job nulling out stations. Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > One sold on eBay today for $157. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3066135931&category=50593 > > Does anyone know if that's the standard price? Or lower? Or higher? > > How do they perform? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 14:14:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66001 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 22:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 22:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 22:14:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2003 22:14:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:14:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 550 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: taking my SRF-42 to VA over holidays... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key What are some good AM Stereo stations to listen to there? Even if I have to settle for skywave reception, that's ok... Formats I'm interested in include, but are not limited to: Radio Disney Real/Gold (50s to early pre-Beatles 60s) Oldies and Nostalgia mid to late 1990s mexican music 1997 to 1999 American rock/pop/rap 1960s & earlier Christian music (not rock) (and some newer music too, maybe - one artist I like published albums from the late 70s to the early 90s) Any suggestions for stations? I would especially like Radio Disney, btw... From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Dec 22 15:40:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39859 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 23:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 23:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 23:40:53 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.4f.38934047 (4410) for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:40:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4f.38934047.2d18db00@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:40:48 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.38 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} taking my SRF-42 to VA over holidays...[WGAI Holiday program line-up] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/22/03 5:27:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com writes: > What are some good AM Stereo stations to listen to there? Even if I > have to settle for skywave reception, that's ok... >=20 > Formats I'm interested in include, but are not limited to: > Radio Disney > Real/Gold (50s to early pre-Beatles 60s) Oldies and Nostalgia > mid to late 1990s mexican music > 1997 to 1999 American rock/pop/rap > 1960s &earlier Christian music (not rock) (and some newer music too, > maybe - one artist I like published albums from the late 70s to the > early 90s) >=20 > Any suggestions for stations? I would especially like Radio Disney, > btw...=20 >=20 >=20 What part of Va? I'm very close to the Norfolk Va area...coverage extends up to Newport News= =20 at night for local ground wave coverage.....otherwise I have heard my stati= on=20 in the Shenandoah Valley area of Va [Roanoke Va and southward] at night mix= ing=20 with WFIL and WVOC in the car. Northern Va...well the signal will be null and void to extremely iffy at=20 best. Hope that helps BTW..WHKT 1650 Portsmouth Va--Radio Disney is a mono station. The Christmas line-up here...well every night at midnight until 1am..its=20 Christmas music,CNN news,local weather and commericals...then at 1am its Co= ast To=20 Coast AM. On Christmas Eve..NewsRadio 560 WGAI AM Stereo takes its traditional 48 hou= r=20 break from talk radio to bring the sounds of the season. You'll hear the greats of Burl Ives,N'Sync,the WDW Orchestra,Nat King=20 Cole,Vince Guaradi,Johnny Cash,Patty Loveless,The Judds,Toby Keith and many= many many=20 more.Christmas songs range from traditional in nature from=20 classical,country,country comdey,bluegrass,southern gospel,black gospel,jaz= z,CHR,Techno and=20 oldies...plus old time Christmas Radio show greats like "Miracle On 34th St= reet",=20 and "Its A Wonderful Life" on Christmas Eve morning and Christmas=20 Morning.Christmas shows at other times during the holiday... "Our Country C= hristmas=20 w/Charlie Daniels,Red,White and Air Force Blue Christmas featuring Toby Kei= th,and=20 "Holiday Notes from Home".Also on Christmas Eve night we'll break away loca= lly=20 to join our "friends" in Flordia for "Walt Disney World Christmas Special"= =20 [this is not the same as Radio Disney] to follow Santa Claus as he leaves t= he=20 North Pole.Santa will be taking phone calls from kids early in the evening.= ..a=20 special treat for the kids.also on Christmas Eve night at 11pm,we'll have a= =20 special Christmas Eve service live form The First Uniited Methodist Church = from=20 downtown Elizabeth City. Christmas night join WGAI's very own George Gregor= y as=20 he brings you the days church services and cantatas along with a line-up of= =20 holiday gospel music. Happy holidays from the Christmas spirit of the Albemarle ...56 WGAI AM=20 Stereo! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 16:07:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31936 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 00:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 00:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 00:07:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2003 00:07:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:07:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 488 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.134 Subject: RCA Hi-Fi AM tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's something unique that I just won on eBay... a rather simple- looking RCA tuner, probably from the '80s, that clearly has wideband AM (mono), which it calls "AM Hi-Fi": http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3064896294 It will likely make an easy and successful conversion to AM Stereo, but in hindsight, if receiver manufacturers don't want to give us AM Stereo, then why can't we at least have "AM Hi-Fi", like the AMAX specifications were designed to encourage? From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 16:21:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93097 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 00:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 00:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 00:21:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2003 00:21:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:21:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 673 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: RCA Hi-Fi AM tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee That's a good-looking little unit! Congrats! And, yes, more AM "Hi Fi" IS needed... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Here's something unique that I just won on eBay... a rather simple- > looking RCA tuner, probably from the '80s, that clearly has wideband > AM (mono), which it calls "AM Hi-Fi": > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3064896294 > > It will likely make an easy and successful conversion to AM Stereo, > but in hindsight, if receiver manufacturers don't want to give us > AM Stereo, then why can't we at least have "AM Hi-Fi", like the AMAX > specifications were designed to encourage? From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Dec 22 17:39:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99235 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 01:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 01:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.104) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 01:39:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:39:43 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:39:43 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:39:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2003 01:39:43.0752 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3D25880:01C3C8F5] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.104 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: WGAI's Christmas programming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Bob, Your Christmas line-up at WGAI sounds fantastic, but atlas, the only thing I can pick up on 560; is WQAM 560-mono out of Miami. Do you suppose on of the ClearChannel or Infinity am stations here, would dare to have such a good line-up. :) Donn, in the am-stereo free zone, St Petersburg,FL Bob Carter wrote of the Christmas line-up at his station, WGAI 560 am-stereo: The Christmas line-up here...well every night at midnight until 1am..its Christmas music,CNN On Christmas Eve..NewsRadio 560 WGAI AM Stereo takes its traditional 48 hour break from talk radio to bring the sounds of the season. You'll hear the greats of Burl Ives,N'Sync,the WDW Orchestra,Nat King Cole,Vince Guaradi,Johnny Cash,Patty Loveless,The Judds,Toby Keith and many many many more.Christmas songs range from traditional in nature from classical,country,country comdey,bluegrass,southern gospel,black gospel,jazz,CHR,Techno and oldies...plus old time Christmas Radio show greats like "Miracle On 34th Street", and "Its A Wonderful Life" on Christmas Eve morning and Christmas Morning.Christmas shows at other times during the holiday... "Our Country Christmas w/Charlie Daniels,Red,White and Air Force Blue Christmas featuring Toby Keith,and "Holiday Notes from Home".Also on Christmas Eve night we'll break away locally to join our "friends" in Flordia for "Walt Disney World Christmas Special" [this is not the same as Radio Disney] to follow Santa Claus as he leaves the North Pole.Santa will be taking phone calls from kids early in the evening...a special treat for the kids.also on Christmas Eve night at 11pm,we'll have a special Christmas Eve service live form The First Uniited Methodist Church from downtown Elizabeth City. Christmas night join WGAI's very own George Gregory as he brings you the days church services and cantatas along with a line-up of holiday gospel music. Happy holidays from the Christmas spirit of the Albemarle ...56 WGAI AM Stereo! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering _________________________________________________________________ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From johnmcd348@verizon.net Mon Dec 22 17:52:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: johnmcd348@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9742 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 01:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 01:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out010.verizon.net) (206.46.170.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 01:52:11 -0000 Received: from home ([4.11.56.198]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20031223015210.LWOH18505.out010.verizon.net@home> for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:52:10 -0600 Message-ID: <006801c3c8f7$5565ad30$c6380b04@home> To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:51:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [4.11.56.198] at Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:52:09 -0600 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.46.170.133 From: "John T McDougald" Subject: Any Stereo AM in Central Florida?????? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157768551 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnmcd348 Are there any Stereo AM stations in the central Florida area? I live in an area where I can pick up easily day/night stations from Orlando and Tampa. I can remember years ago, there was at least one AM stereo (clearchannel stereo) station, either 540 WGTO or 620 WSUN but that was before all the Jaycor and ClearChannel mergers and the old Mom/Pop stations went away. John T McD. From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 17:54:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82050 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 01:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 01:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 01:54:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20031223015431.73113.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.121] by web60104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:54:31 PST Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:54:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.83 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGAI's Christmas programming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Well, Donn I am also in an AM stereo free zone. WAGL in Lancaster has no AM stereo, and hasn't for a few years. They dropped the SS format and are doing standards. I'd fire up the AM Stereo 1000 but I am working ALL day at WKDK, [ 9 AM until 11:30 PM ]and then I am put up at the Hampton Inn across from the Newberry Opera House. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From stodd@vippn.com Mon Dec 22 18:09:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78607 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 02:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 02:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 02:09:32 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-51-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.51]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5454D14E101 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:09:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007d01c3c8fa$21e76d60$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <001c01c3c897$80d2ee70$6401a8c0@jimspc> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:07:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FM Station in Jupiter, FL and the FCC 80-90 docket X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude To your first question, the commercial band was done on an allocation basis (the FCC sets aside a certain number of frequencies per region, designed not to interfere.) The educational band was set up on a purely signal contour basis, much as the AM band is. The breakdown of the allocation scheme occurred because a lot of stations had far more protection than their facilities required, and it prevented a lot of small towns from getting a station. Time was when 5000 watts was enough to cover all but the largest cities, plus the lower wattages for small town in rural areas. But populations have outgrown the signal coverage of most AMs. And since the FCC wasn't strictly issuing discrete power levels on FM, they decided to allow AMs the same latitude to expand their signals accordingly. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" In the non-com band (below 92.1 mHz) > the power level of stations vary considerably. Almost all are Class A > licenses, but the power levels vary from 100 watts to 50kw (in the northeast > corridor, where there ain't no Class C's). > When did they start allowing dial-a-power on FM or has it always been that > way in the non-com band. > Meanwhile, on our beloved AM band, the power levels used to be consistent: > 250 watts, 500 watts, 1kw, 5kw, 10 kw and 50 kw. > Now they are all over the place. How did this happen and why? From paulmcrane@hotmail.com Mon Dec 22 18:10:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: paulmcrane@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42607 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 02:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 02:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 02:10:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:10:52 -0800 Received: from 68.76.55.83 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:10:52 GMT X-Originating-Email: [paulmcrane@hotmail.com] X-Sender: paulmcrane@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:10:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2003 02:10:52.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDBD9D60:01C3C8F9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.15.70 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.76.55.83] Subject: RE: {AMSF} taking my SRF-42 to VA over holidays... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=165317089 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Here in Michigan: WDSS 1680 Ada (Grand Rapids area) Radio Disney (they were still stereo after the format change) WGTO 910 Cassopolis oldies Paul Crane >From: "pianoplayer88key" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} taking my SRF-42 to VA over holidays... >Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:14:27 -0000 > >What are some good AM Stereo stations to listen to there? Even if I >have to settle for skywave reception, that's ok... > >Formats I'm interested in include, but are not limited to: >Radio Disney >Real/Gold (50s to early pre-Beatles 60s) Oldies and Nostalgia >mid to late 1990s mexican music >1997 to 1999 American rock/pop/rap >1960s & earlier Christian music (not rock) (and some newer music too, >maybe - one artist I like published albums from the late 70s to the >early 90s) > >Any suggestions for stations? I would especially like Radio Disney, >btw... > _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy the holiday season with great tips from MSN. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Dec 22 18:24:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74580 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 02:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 02:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 02:24:46 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.158.247.188]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031223022445.WGML1881.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:24:45 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c3c8fb$edb2a440$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <006801c3c8f7$5565ad30$c6380b04@home> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:24:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.68 From: "Juan / John Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Any Stereo AM in Central Florida?????? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, Except for 1130 in Bartow, there is no AM Stereo in Central Florida. 800 in Palatka is still running AM Stereo liners, but they had no pilot (maybe they are in Stereo though). The 1440 in Orlando HAD a pilot, but no more. 900 in Ocala has a pilot, but no seperation. Sad state of affairs. The station I am the PD of, WTTB HAD a pilot, but GM told us to remove it. MAybe we can get a few calls to him to put it back on.or even better...go AM STEREO ! Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: John T McDougald To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:51 PM Subject: {AMSF} Any Stereo AM in Central Florida?????? Are there any Stereo AM stations in the central Florida area? I live in an area where I can pick up easily day/night stations from Orlando and Tampa. I can remember years ago, there was at least one AM stereo (clearchannel stereo) station, either 540 WGTO or 620 WSUN but that was before all the Jaycor and ClearChannel mergers and the old Mom/Pop stations went away. John T McD. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Dec 22 18:42:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19081 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 02:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 02:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.27) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 02:41:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:41:59 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:41:58 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:41:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2003 02:41:59.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[5682B1C0:01C3C8FE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.27 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Any Stereo AM in Central Florida?????? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Hi John, I'm afraid the only remaining am-stereo station in the Orlando to Tampa corridor is WWBF (aka WBF), 1130 am-stereo; an oldies format. During the day, they should be receivable in all of Polk county, extreme eastern Hillsborogh county (Plant City), west Osceola county (St. Cloud) and perhaps extreme southern Lake County (in the area between Groveland and Mascotte). At night, with reduced power and a tight directional pattern, they only come in, in Bartow. Further north, in north central Florida, WMOP 900 in Ocala has a stereo pilot, but a mono syndicated sports feed. At the time WGTO-540 was am stereo, they were at least a dozen stations in central and s.w. Florida that were a.m. stereo, including WSPB -1450 Sarasota with a classical music format, until ClearChannel purchased them and most of the Sarasota/Bradenton market. Also 1380 out of St Petersburg (now mono Radio Disney), WGUL 860 (Palm Harbor/Clearwater), 1280 WSGX Sarasota and WDCQ - 1200, Ft Myers were all am stereo. They were several others as well. Those were the days. Donn St Petersburg,fl Donn st petersburg,fl _________________________________________________________________ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From johnmcd348@verizon.net Mon Dec 22 18:49:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: johnmcd348@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60037 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 02:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 02:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out010.verizon.net) (206.46.170.133) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 02:49:20 -0000 Received: from home ([4.11.56.198]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20031223024919.MIIP18505.out010.verizon.net@home> for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:49:19 -0600 Message-ID: <00ac01c3c8ff$50a03c40$c6380b04@home> To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:48:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [4.11.56.198] at Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:49:17 -0600 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.46.170.133 From: "John T McDougald" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Any Stereo AM in Central Florida?????? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157768551 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnmcd348 Oh My God, I completely forgot about WBF. I grew up in the Bartow area, I now live in south Lakeland. Thanks guys, I think I might go by the station in a few days and pay them a visit. I really miss the old days of AM radio, and I'm only in my early 30's. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:41 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Any Stereo AM in Central Florida?????? > Hi John, > > I'm afraid the only remaining am-stereo station in the Orlando to Tampa > corridor is WWBF (aka WBF), 1130 am-stereo; an oldies format. > > During the day, they should be receivable in all of Polk county, extreme > eastern Hillsborogh county (Plant City), west Osceola county (St. Cloud) and > perhaps extreme southern Lake County (in the area between Groveland and > Mascotte). At night, with reduced power and a tight directional pattern, > they only come in, in Bartow. > > Further north, in north central Florida, WMOP 900 in Ocala has a stereo > pilot, but a mono syndicated sports feed. > > At the time WGTO-540 was am stereo, they were at least a dozen stations in > central and s.w. Florida that were a.m. stereo, including WSPB -1450 > Sarasota with a classical music format, until ClearChannel purchased them > and most of the Sarasota/Bradenton market. > > Also 1380 out of St Petersburg (now mono Radio Disney), WGUL 860 (Palm > Harbor/Clearwater), 1280 WSGX Sarasota and WDCQ - 1200, Ft Myers were all am > stereo. They were several others as well. > > Those were the days. > > Donn > St Petersburg,fl > > Donn > st petersburg,fl > > _________________________________________________________________ > Worried about inbox overload? 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 01:18:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74317 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 09:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 09:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 09:18:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2003 09:18:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:18:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4f.38934047.2d18db00@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4520 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} taking my SRF-42 to VA over holidays...[WGAI Holiday program line-up] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I'm mostly going to be probably close to I-95 corridor area, and north of I-64. Some towns / areas I will probably visit include Richmond & Fredericksburg/Falmouth, and I may also throw in Charlottesville, but not sure, and Leesburg. Over Xmas holiday more specifically for a few days I will be a couple hours southwest of Charlottesville, in the Shenandoah (name correct?) mountains at a camp there. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 12/22/03 5:27:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, > pianoplayer88key@y... writes: > > > What are some good AM Stereo stations to listen to there? Even if I > > have to settle for skywave reception, that's ok... > > > > Formats I'm interested in include, but are not limited to: > > Radio Disney > > Real/Gold (50s to early pre-Beatles 60s) Oldies and Nostalgia > > mid to late 1990s mexican music > > 1997 to 1999 American rock/pop/rap > > 1960s &earlier Christian music (not rock) (and some newer music too, > > maybe - one artist I like published albums from the late 70s to the > > early 90s) > > > > Any suggestions for stations? I would especially like Radio Disney, > > btw... > > > > > > What part of Va? > > I'm very close to the Norfolk Va area...coverage extends up to Newport News > at night for local ground wave coverage.....otherwise I have heard my station > in the Shenandoah Valley area of Va [Roanoke Va and southward] at night mixing > with WFIL and WVOC in the car. > Northern Va...well the signal will be null and void to extremely iffy at > best. > Hope that helps > > BTW..WHKT 1650 Portsmouth Va--Radio Disney is a mono station. > > The Christmas line-up here...well every night at midnight until 1am..its > Christmas music,CNN news,local weather and commericals...then at 1am its Coast To > Coast AM. > On Christmas Eve..NewsRadio 560 WGAI AM Stereo takes its traditional 48 hour > break from talk radio to bring the sounds of the season. > You'll hear the greats of Burl Ives,N'Sync,the WDW Orchestra,Nat King > Cole,Vince Guaradi,Johnny Cash,Patty Loveless,The Judds,Toby Keith and many many many > more.Christmas songs range from traditional in nature from > classical,country,country comdey,bluegrass,southern gospel,black gospel,jazz,CHR,Techno and > oldies...plus old time Christmas Radio show greats like "Miracle On 34th Street", > and "Its A Wonderful Life" on Christmas Eve morning and Christmas > Morning.Christmas shows at other times during the holiday... "Our Country Christmas > w/Charlie Daniels,Red,White and Air Force Blue Christmas featuring Toby Keith,and > "Holiday Notes from Home".Also on Christmas Eve night we'll break away locally > to join our "friends" in Flordia for "Walt Disney World Christmas Special" > [this is not the same as Radio Disney] to follow Santa Claus as he leaves the > North Pole.Santa will be taking phone calls from kids early in the evening...a > special treat for the kids.also on Christmas Eve night at 11pm,we'll have a > special Christmas Eve service live form The First Uniited Methodist Church from > downtown Elizabeth City. Christmas night join WGAI's very own George Gregory as > he brings you the days church services and cantatas along with a line-up of > holiday gospel music. > > Happy holidays from the Christmas spirit of the Albemarle ...56 WGAI AM > Stereo! > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------- > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@e...,MidAtlanticEngin@a... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------- > > ------------------------KC4QLP Amateur > Radio------------------------------------------ > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.qsl.net/kc4qlp > Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) > _______________________________________________________ > > * List owner: > Group name: Echolink-Open-List > Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List > Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Dec 23 06:30:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79083 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 14:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 14:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 14:30:43 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-46.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.46]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBNEUWI9096769 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:30:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004a01c3c961$53490190$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <00ac01c3c8ff$50a03c40$c6380b04@home> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:30:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Any Stereo AM in Central Florida?????? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Thanks guys, I think I might go by the station in a few days and pay them a > visit. I really miss the old days of AM radio, and I'm only in my early > 30's. Thanks for making me feel young.... I just turned 50 and I'm ready for a rockin' chair (not really, I like to consider myself the oldest "night slammer" in America). AM radio was dying a slow death as early as 1980. Most heritage AM's had been knocked out of the top spots by FM's by 1980. That would have made you 13 years old. I think I'm going to take a double dose of Metamucil and Citrical today... From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Dec 23 06:38:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58772 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 14:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 14:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 14:38:40 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.f3.343c46c9 (4410) for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:38:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:38:01 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.38 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} taking my SRF-42 to VA over holidays...[WGAI Holiday program line-... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/23/03 4:19:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com writes: > I'm mostly going to be probably close to I-95 corridor area, and north > of I-64. Some towns / areas I will probably visit include Richmond & > Fredericksburg/Falmouth, and I may also throw in Charlottesville, but > not sure, and Leesburg. Over Xmas holiday more specifically for a few > days I will be a couple hours southwest of Charlottesville, in the > Shenandoah (name correct?) mountains at a camp there. >=20 Well certainly sounds like you could possibly be in range during the night= =20 time hours when your around the Richmond to Charlottesville,Shenandoah Vall= ey=20 areas.=20 I do however have the station up on a shoutcast webstream for the holidays.= Go=20 to www.shoutcast.com and look for WGAI under the genre "talk".The bandwidth= =20 is somewhat limited to accommodate folks on dial up connections. Happy holidays from the Christmas spirit of the Albemarle ...56 WGAI AM=20 Stereo! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Dec 23 06:52:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92789 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 14:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 14:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 14:52:16 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.144.1f2576b1 (4410) for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:52:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <144.1f2576b1.2d19b09d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:52:13 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.104 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Any Stereo AM in Central Florida?????? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/23/03 9:32:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 jimbo@burgan.net writes: > >Thanks guys, I think I might go by the station in a few days and pay the= m > a > >visit. I really miss the old days of AM radio, and I'm only in my early > >30's. >=20 > Thanks for making me feel young.... I just turned 50 and I'm ready for a > rockin' chair (not really, I like to consider myself the oldest "night > slammer" in America). AM radio was dying a slow death as early as 1980. > Most heritage AM's had been knocked out of the top spots by FM's by 1980. > That would have made you 13 years old. I think I'm going to take a doubl= e > dose of Metamucil and Citrical today... >=20 Oh and dont forget the Geratol!...lol!=20=20 Speaking of the "old days of AM radio",I just dug up some 20 year old=20 Christmas liners voiced by Bob Kingsley back when WGAI was known as "Countr= y 56".=20 Wow! does that ever bring back some memories...days when WGAI-AM beat the = socks=20 off of a local country FM station at that time and tied in ranking for=20 listeners from the old WCMS-FM,Norfolk Va. I wish I had a few million layin= g=20 around....I'd treat myself to a wonderful Christmas in years down the road = and snag up=20 a certain AM station and let the music return to AM radio. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 08:02:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44589 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 16:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 16:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 16:02:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2003 16:02:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:02:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1358 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: No IBOC until 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics See below for more fluff from www.radioworld.com.... but notice the curious disclaimer "...some to be commercially available in 2004." At least to me, that explains that the IBOC receivers shown at CES will mostly be early prototypes, and consumer models won't be ready until 2005 -- if the system is still around then! I think the folks at iBiquity keep stalling more than a Yugo.... and we're still waiting for their Nighttime AM IBOC Report, which was promised early this year to be released "in the very near future". HD Radio Receivers Galore to Debut at CES Ibiquity Digital technology partners Texas Instruments, Phillips, Kenwood, JVC and Panasonic will show HD Radio product at the Consumer Electronics Show Jan. 8-11 in Las Vegas. Planned are demos of 5.1 surround sound and NPR's Tomorrow Radio project, a Supplemental Audio Programming service that will allow stations to simultaneously broadcast two separate digital programs on the same channel. Alpine, Delphi, Fujitsu/Eclipse, Harman Kardon, JVC, Kenwood, Onkyo, Panasonic, Sanyo and Visteon will be show a variety of HD Radio receivers, some to be commercially available in 2004. Simultaneously, the very first HD Radio tuner - a Kenwood KTC-HR100 - will hit store shelves with stations in 100+ markets in January. Look for RW Online's daily, on-site coverage of CES. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 08:20:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87425 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 16:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 16:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 16:20:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20031223162012.19239.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:20:12 PST Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:20:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.144 From: "John P." Subject: Contact your local AMS Engineer TODAY! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio My annual suggestion - call you local station engineer and as him (her?) if they would please turn the AM Stereo BACK-ON for 24 hours while they broadcast Christmas music on the 24th/25th? I keep trying every year, and I'm not gonna give-up yet - if their hardware is still there, and their source is stereo, even Clear Channel can't be a Grinch for 24 hours; even the convicts at Alcatraz got to go outside on Christmas Day so lets not give up on AM Stereo renewal for a day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Dec 23 08:33:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73738 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 16:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 16:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.119) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 16:33:23 -0000 Received: from dialup-67.31.210.37.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([67.31.210.37] helo=earthlink.net) by bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AYpTN-000569-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:33:30 -0800 Message-ID: <3FE86E59.DD4A4D9E@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:33:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.119 From: Dick W Subject: Metrosound Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I have a Metrosound am stereo tuner/adaptor that I have not used in a long time. It is one of those that Chris Cuff modified several years ago. It is basically a car tuner/adaptor, but Chris modified it to connect to a home stereo amplifier as well. It has only been used a few times, because we lost am stereo in this area right after I purchased it. If anyone on the list would like it, I would be happy to send it to them no charge. I would like to see someone benefit from it. If anyone is interested, would you please let me know? Thanks, Dick W. Tampa From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 08:38:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79440 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 16:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 16:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 16:38:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2003 16:32:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:32:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1050 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: DX Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From another message board... WQMA is not AM Stereo, but they are one of the few AM stations with a CHR/Top 40 format.... Subject: WQMA-AM 1520 Marks, Missippi Will Be Conducting a DX Test Posted by: PaulWalkerJr Posted on: 12/22/03 10:00 PM One of America's last remaining AM Top 40 Stations, "Q-1520 AM" will be conducting a DX Test on February 15, 2004 from 12am to 2am Central Time. Programming will consist of voice and Morse code IDs, along with contact information and music inbetween. WQMA will be operating on 1520 kHz, with its daytime-only power of 250 Watts, Non-Directional. We will be giving away a small prize package in two different catergories: 1.) Farthest Away DX Report that WQMA recieves 2.) Random Winner We will also send a sign QSL Letter/Card to anyone requesting verification. To be correctly verified, please include as much information in your report as possible. Mail all DX related correspondance to: Paul B. Walker, Jr. WQMA-AM 1520 1820 West Marks Road Marks, MS 38646 Happy Listening! From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Dec 23 08:42:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58431 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 16:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 16:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 16:42:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2003 16:42:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:42:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 87 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 68.161.25.163 Subject: Pics of 1290 GLI now up in PHOTO section X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio In the WGLI folder. The airchain sounds killer. I hope to have audio files up soon. From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Dec 23 09:50:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62210 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 17:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 17:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 17:50:18 -0000 Received: from [209.63.214.180] (d193-osel-phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.180]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hBNHoHn50927 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:50:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:49:58 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: WSOS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message: 7 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:41:39 -0500 From: Alan Alsobrook To: broadcast@broadcast.net Subject: [BC] C-Quam Reply-To: broadcast@broadcast.net Speaking of C-Quam... As soon as one more component arrives I will probably be putting the last new C-Qaum station ever on the air in the USA. 1170 WSOS St. Augustine Fl. will hopefully be Stereo before 2004 arrives. :) ___________________________________ Alan Alsobrook CSRE CBNT | Contract Alternative Inspector | Florida Assn of Broadcasters Alsobrook Electronics 1960 U.S. Hwy 1 So. #17 St. Augustine Fl. 32086 904-829-8885 aalso@aug.com ___________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Dec 23 17:19:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45120 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 01:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 01:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 01:19:50 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.15c.29d7b01e (16781) for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:19:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <15c.29d7b01e.2d1a43aa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:19:38 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.36 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Metrosound Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/23/03 11:39:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 dwtpa97@earthlink.net writes: > I have a Metrosound am stereo tuner/adaptor that I have not used in a lon= g=20 > time. > It is one of those that Chris Cuff modified several years ago. It is=20 > basically a > car tuner/adaptor, but Chris modified it to connect to a home stereo=20 > amplifier as > well. It has only been used a few times, because we lost am stereo in th= is=20 > area > right after I purchased it. If anyone on the list would like it, I would= be=20 > happy > to send it to them no charge. I would like to see someone benefit from i= t.=20=20 > If > anyone is interested, would you please let me know? >=20 > Thanks, > Dick W. > Tampa >=20 >=20 How good is the sensitivity and selectivity of the Metrosound?Also is it=20 still capable for use in the the automobile? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From johnmcd348@verizon.net Tue Dec 23 17:43:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: johnmcd348@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38087 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 01:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 01:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out003.verizon.net) (206.46.170.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 01:43:08 -0000 Received: from home ([4.11.56.198]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20031224014307.NAH20713.out003.verizon.net@home> for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:43:07 -0600 Message-ID: <005001c3c9bf$3c63dd20$c6380b04@home> To: References: <144.1f2576b1.2d19b09d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:42:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [4.11.56.198] at Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:43:06 -0600 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.46.170.103 From: "John T McDougald" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Any Stereo AM in Central Florida?????? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157768551 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnmcd348 My best memories of AM was back in the 70's and early 80's. Back when Disco was finally dying it's deserved death. My father was(and still is) a die hard old time country music fan. Charlie Pride, Merle Hagard, Hank Williams, Willie Nelson (before he went Hippy). The radio was almost always on 540 WGTO out of Cypress Gardens Fla. Some days it would be on 620 WSUN. I can still remember how every night WGTO wold have the live braodcasts from the Grand Ole Opry and then sign off for the evening with the National Anthem. I even miss the good ole days of the Album Rock stations. I didn't discover FM until around 1980. Now I spend most of my Radio time listening to AM Talk. 970 WFLA is the main station I listen to now. Can't hardly stand the music stations anymore. They may as well be preprogrammed and automated like the trend was back in the early 80's. Oh well, can't wait to see how the FCC lets things get 10 or 20 years from now........sad isn't it... John T McD. From stodd@vippn.com Tue Dec 23 17:52:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17222 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 01:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 01:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 01:52:19 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-198-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.198]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DBEEF14E0B1 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:52:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005701c3c9c0$e60e3360$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:51:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSOS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Then further down the list Mike McCarthy is putting two AMS signals on in Chicago- one is a return and the other is a new install. Didn't say which stations, and he may be sworn to confidentiality until they're done. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:41:39 -0500 > From: Alan Alsobrook > To: broadcast@broadcast.net > Subject: [BC] C-Quam > Reply-To: broadcast@broadcast.net > > Speaking of C-Quam... > As soon as one more component arrives I will probably be putting the > last new C-Qaum station ever on the air in the USA. 1170 WSOS St. > Augustine Fl. will hopefully be Stereo before 2004 arrives. :) From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 19:39:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84479 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 03:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 03:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 03:38:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20031224033858.28255.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.65] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:38:58 PST Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:38:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: 10 scrrrrreaming milliwatts! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Yes, indeed! AM Stereo 1000 is on the air from West Columbia tonight with Christmas music! Can you tell I'm bored? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Dec 23 20:33:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82856 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 04:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 04:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 04:33:20 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBO4ToJK000503 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:29:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3FE91524.60804@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:25:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20031223162012.19239.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031223162012.19239.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Contact your local AMS Engineer TODAY! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 WTTM in Full AM stereo will be playing Christmas Music During the holidays Keep an ear open for them... I am testing My New Automation package I just installed.. Great system . starting at 12 midnight of the 24th tonight.. then again at around 5 am for 1 hour then again Christmas day I have not scheduled Yet.. Keep Listening to 1680.. Neal CE-- John P. wrote: >My annual suggestion - call you local station engineer and as him (her?) if >they would please turn the AM Stereo BACK-ON for 24 hours while they broadcast >Christmas music on the 24th/25th? I keep trying every year, and I'm not gonna >give-up yet - if their hardware is still there, and their source is stereo, >even Clear Channel can't be a Grinch for 24 hours; even the convicts at >Alcatraz got to go outside on Christmas Day so lets not give up on AM Stereo >renewal for a day! > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Tue Dec 23 20:43:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55457 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 04:43:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 04:43:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO twix.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 04:43:15 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 63568B80550 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 04:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4AC1A0165 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 04:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031223235035.02609ec8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:51:37 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3FE91524.60804@skyweb.net> References: <20031223162012.19239.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> <20031223162012.19239.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.70 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Automation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why do stations use automation? I think its boring for the listener. But look on the bright side. It's better then Voice-tracking. At 11:25 PM 12/23/2003 -0500, you wrote: >WTTM in Full AM stereo will be playing Christmas Music During the holidays > Keep an ear open for them... > I am testing My New Automation package I just installed.. Great system . >starting at 12 midnight of the 24th tonight.. then again at around 5 >am for 1 hour then again Christmas day I have not scheduled Yet.. >Keep Listening to 1680.. > Neal CE-- > >John P. wrote: > >>My annual suggestion - call you local station engineer and as him (her?) if >>they would please turn the AM Stereo BACK-ON for 24 hours while they broadcast >>Christmas music on the 24th/25th? I keep trying every year, and I'm not gonna >>give-up yet - if their hardware is still there, and their source is stereo, >>even Clear Channel can't be a Grinch for 24 hours; even the convicts at >>Alcatraz got to go outside on Christmas Day so lets not give up on AM Stereo >>renewal for a day! >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. >>http://photos.yahoo.com/ >> >>Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >>To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ >> >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> >> > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 20:50:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94579 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 04:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 04:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 04:50:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20031224045045.44648.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.115] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:50:45 PST Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:50:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3FE91524.60804@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Contact your local AMS Engineer TODAY! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Neal Newman wrote: > WTTM in Full AM stereo will be playing Christmas > Music During the holidays > Keep an ear open for them... > I am testing My New Automation package I just > installed.. Great system . > starting at 12 midnight of the 24th tonight.. then > again at around 5 > am for 1 hour then again Christmas day I have not > scheduled Yet.. > Keep Listening to 1680.. > Neal CE-- I'll be at WKDK 9 AM to 11:30 PM on Christmas day. Neal, what automation system did you install? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 20:52:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97332 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 04:52:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 04:52:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 04:52:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20031224045226.24181.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.115] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:52:26 PST Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:52:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031223235035.02609ec8@pop.GameBox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.88 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Automation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- John Holcomb II wrote: > Why do stations use automation? > I think its boring for the listener. > But look on the bright side. It's better then > Voice-tracking. ???????? Voice tracking IS automation. You can do your show in advance that way. Sounds good if you do it right, yes ***IF***......................... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Tue Dec 23 20:56:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9001 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 04:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 04:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 04:56:09 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5AF87212401 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 04:50:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55071A017B for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 04:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031224000255.0263d220@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:04:33 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031224045226.24181.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031223235035.02609ec8@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.14 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Automation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IF... yeah don't play weather from yesterday. I say voice-tracking should be el eagle! Now automation is okay as long as the listener knows it's automated. At 08:52 PM 12/23/2003 -0800, you wrote: >--- John Holcomb II wrote: >> Why do stations use automation? >> I think its boring for the listener. >> But look on the bright side. It's better then >> Voice-tracking. > > >???????? > >Voice tracking IS automation. You can do your show in >advance that way. Sounds good if you do it right, yes >***IF***......................... > > > >Powell > >===== >powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Dec 23 20:56:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88072 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 04:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 04:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 04:56:57 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBO4skJK000600 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:54:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3FE91AFC.5000300@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:50:04 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20031223162012.19239.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> <20031223162012.19239.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20031223235035.02609ec8@pop.GameBox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031223235035.02609ec8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Automation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well John I dont have any DJ's at my station Between 11pm and 6 am so I have to do something to keep the station on the air with Programming.. I just installed a complete I-Media touch system and it Performs Better than I really expected. even though I am still working out a Few Programming Bugs. sitting here in my living room and Programming the station 20 Miles away I think is very cool I rigged it so that I could even Turn On the matrix and Go on Live From Here so No Voice tracking is Nessary during an Emergency Neal John Holcomb II wrote: >Why do stations use automation? >I think its boring for the listener. >But look on the bright side. It's better then Voice-tracking. > > >At 11:25 PM 12/23/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >>WTTM in Full AM stereo will be playing Christmas Music During the holidays >>Keep an ear open for them... >>I am testing My New Automation package I just installed.. Great system . >>starting at 12 midnight of the 24th tonight.. then again at around 5 >>am for 1 hour then again Christmas day I have not scheduled Yet.. >>Keep Listening to 1680.. >>Neal CE-- >> >>John P. wrote: >> >> >> >>>My annual suggestion - call you local station engineer and as him (her?) if >>>they would please turn the AM Stereo BACK-ON for 24 hours while they broadcast >>>Christmas music on the 24th/25th? I keep trying every year, and I'm not gonna >>>give-up yet - if their hardware is still there, and their source is stereo, >>>even Clear Channel can't be a Grinch for 24 hours; even the convicts at >>>Alcatraz got to go outside on Christmas Day so lets not give up on AM Stereo >>>renewal for a day! >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. >>>http://photos.yahoo.com/ >>> >>>Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >>> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>>To visit your group on the web, go to: >>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ >>> >>>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>>amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>> >>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >>>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >>To visit your group on the web, go to: >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ >> >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > >Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Dec 23 21:02:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93207 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 05:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 05:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 05:02:01 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBO4xYJK000610 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:59:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3FE91C1D.6020607@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:54:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20031224045045.44648.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031224045045.44648.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Contact your local AMS Engineer TODAY! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yep starting at 12:08 am after this Break WTTM starts the Christmas music Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >--- Neal Newman wrote: > > >>WTTM in Full AM stereo will be playing Christmas >>Music During the holidays >> Keep an ear open for them... >> I am testing My New Automation package I just >>installed.. Great system . >>starting at 12 midnight of the 24th tonight.. then >>again at around 5 >>am for 1 hour then again Christmas day I have not >>scheduled Yet.. >>Keep Listening to 1680.. >> Neal CE-- >> >> > > >I'll be at WKDK 9 AM to 11:30 PM on Christmas day. >Neal, what automation system did you install? > > >Powell > > >===== >powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Dec 23 21:06:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53530 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 05:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 05:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 05:06:37 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBO54RJK000630 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:04:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3FE91D41.3010909@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:59:45 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20031224045045.44648.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031224045045.44648.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Contact your local AMS Engineer TODAY! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Powell I bought the Complete I-Media touch package.. and Set up a 500 gig music server a production machine, a voice tracking machine, the main On air machine, and 2 laptops with the Logtools software so the GM( My partners wife) and I can Both do all the scheduling .. I installed an audio router switcher so It disconnects the main On-air console to play the Ad' I can also remotely switch in the production studio and the Matrix Codecs for remotes.. or even from the house its great stuff well worth it Neal Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >--- Neal Newman wrote: > > >>WTTM in Full AM stereo will be playing Christmas >>Music During the holidays >> Keep an ear open for them... >> I am testing My New Automation package I just >>installed.. Great system . >>starting at 12 midnight of the 24th tonight.. then >>again at around 5 >>am for 1 hour then again Christmas day I have not >>scheduled Yet.. >>Keep Listening to 1680.. >> Neal CE-- >> >> > > >I'll be at WKDK 9 AM to 11:30 PM on Christmas day. >Neal, what automation system did you install? > > >Powell > > >===== >powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Dec 23 22:12:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31142 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 06:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 06:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 06:12:32 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.80.1ef0e34 (16781) for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:12:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <80.1ef0e34.2d1a8848@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:12:24 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.37 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Automation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/23/03 11:58:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 groucho@skyweb.net writes: > well John I dont have any DJ's at my station Between 11pm and 6 am so=20 > I have to do something to keep the station on the air with Programming.. > I just installed a complete I-Media touch system and it Performs Better=20 > than I really expected. even though I am still working out a Few=20 > Programming Bugs. sitting here in my living room and Programming the=20 > station 20 Miles away I think is very cool I rigged it so that I could= =20 > even Turn On the matrix and Go on Live From Here so No Voice tracking=20 > is Nessary during an Emergency > Neal >=20 Sounds like a neat deal to be able to go live from home there! What have yo= u=20 "rigged" up to allow that to happen? Currently WGAI has gone into its 48 hour holiday music marathon ...even=20 streaming on the web at http://www.shoutcast.com/directory/?s=3Dwgai&numres= ult=3D25& x=3D32&y=3D13 Happy holidays to all from the Christmas spirit of the Albemarle....56 WGAI= =20 AM Stereo Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com -------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Dec 23 22:20:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43748 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 06:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 06:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 06:20:25 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id 1.f2.351da94b (16781); Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:20:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:20:16 EST To: amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, bean@broadcast.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.4 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: (AM Stereo) AM STEREO 1000 on the air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/23/03 10:59:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 powell@conterra.com writes: > YESSSSS indeed it's a wide open screaming 10 milliwatts with Christmas=20 > music. It's a super DX opportunity! >=20 > Powell W4OPW! >=20 Hey Powell,what is your programming source? I recorded over the past month over a days worth of Christmas music into th= e=20 RDS Phantom here.[Yep..got another one with two huge hard drives!]Plus some= =20 satellite stuff going on the air here and there.Needless to say,I'm all set= this=20 holiday. http://www.shoutcast.com/directory/?s=3Dwgai&numresult=3D25&x=3D32&y=3D13 Happy holidays from the Christmas Spirit of the Albemarle...56 WGAI AM Ster= eo Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 22:52:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63288 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 06:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 06:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 06:52:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20031224065245.95432.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.83] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:52:45 PST Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:52:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.85 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (AM Stereo) AM STEREO 1000 on the air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW In a message dated 12/23/03 10:59:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, powell@conterra.com writes: > YESSSSS indeed it's a wide open screaming 10 milliwatts with Christmas > music. It's a super DX opportunity! > > Powell W4OPW! > BOB of AM STEREO WGAI said: >Hey Powell,what is your programming source? >I recorded over the past month over a days worth of Christmas >music into the >RDS Phantom here.[Yep..got another one with two huge hard >drives!]Plus some >satellite stuff going on the air here and there.Needless to >say,I'm all set this >holiday. Just CD's I have some 80 of them of my own and even now some vinyl I have NOT seen released to CD! I'l also be at WKDK on Christmas from 9 AM until sign off which is 11:30. It's a special deal. WKDK in Newberry SC we are live, no automation. I will also have food fit for the entire Royal family. [That is the special deal I make.] Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 23:59:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58505 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 07:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 07:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 07:59:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20031224075942.10565.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.25.63] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:59:42 PST Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:59:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.45 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (AM Stereo) AM STEREO 1000 on the air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Yes it will be do easy to dx in New Zealand! especially with our 8 hour darkness period at this time of the year and a powerhouse 10mW with a local on 990AM as well!the SRF A300 should get that! Merry Xmas Michael --- KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/23/03 10:59:23 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > powell@conterra.com writes: > > > YESSSSS indeed it's a wide open screaming 10 > milliwatts with Christmas > > music. It's a super DX opportunity! > > > > Powell W4OPW! > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Wed Dec 24 05:27:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56988 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 13:27:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 13:27:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 13:26:59 -0000 Received: from dialup-67.31.194.163.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([67.31.194.163] helo=earthlink.net) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AZ92Q-0000eh-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 05:26:58 -0800 Message-ID: <3FE9942B.4DF29198@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:27:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <15c.29d7b01e.2d1a43aa@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.74 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Metrosound Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Hi Bob - Since I used it for only a couple of weeks, primarily on one local station, I never took the time to check it out selectivity and sensitivity wise. However, I would say that it had poor selectivity, insofar as you could span the entire dial with maybe one twist of the knob. I was otherwise very impressed with its performance. Several years ago, when we had an ams station, and using the built-in stereo radio in my car, we drove over near their transmitter site and switched back and forth between their am stereo and their fm stereo (which were simulcast with each other). Believe it or not, the am stereo sounded better than the fm stereo! Yes, this adaptor could still be used in a car, since it would be connected inline between the antenna and the regular car tuner. However, , another member of the list has already requested it, so I regret that it is no longer available. Thanks for inquiring, though - Hope you have a Merry Christmas! Dick KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/23/03 11:39:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, > dwtpa97@earthlink.net writes: > > > I have a Metrosound am stereo tuner/adaptor that I have not used in a long > > time. > > It is one of those that Chris Cuff modified several years ago. It is > > basically a > > car tuner/adaptor, but Chris modified it to connect to a home stereo > > amplifier as > > well. It has only been used a few times, because we lost am stereo in this > > area > > right after I purchased it. If anyone on the list would like it, I would be > > happy > > to send it to them no charge. I would like to see someone benefit from it. > > If > > anyone is interested, would you please let me know? > > > > Thanks, > > Dick W. > > Tampa > > > > > > How good is the sensitivity and selectivity of the Metrosound?Also is it > still capable for use in the the automobile? > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------- > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------- > > ------------------------KC4QLP Amateur > Radio------------------------------------------ > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.qsl.net/kc4qlp > Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) > _______________________________________________________ > > * List owner: > Group name: Echolink-Open-List > Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List > Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Wed Dec 24 05:31:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10784 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 13:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 13:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.74) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 13:31:29 -0000 Received: from dialup-67.31.194.163.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([67.31.194.163] helo=earthlink.net) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AZ96m-0001Lk-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 05:31:29 -0800 Message-ID: <3FE9953A.801EA095@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:31:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <144.1f2576b1.2d19b09d@aol.com> <005001c3c9bf$3c63dd20$c6380b04@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.74 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Any Stereo AM in Central Florida?????? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Depending on where in the Bay Area you live and the type of music you like, WGUL 860am out of Clearwater is still a traditionally-formatted station. They simulcast fm & am. Dick W. John T McDougald wrote: > My best memories of AM was back in the 70's and early 80's. Back when > Disco was finally dying it's deserved death. My father was(and still is) a > die hard old time country music fan. Charlie Pride, Merle Hagard, Hank > Williams, Willie Nelson (before he went Hippy). The radio was almost always > on 540 WGTO out of Cypress Gardens Fla. Some days it would be on 620 WSUN. > I can still remember how every night WGTO wold have the live braodcasts from > the Grand Ole Opry and then sign off for the evening with the National > Anthem. > I even miss the good ole days of the Album Rock stations. I didn't > discover FM until around 1980. Now I spend most of my Radio time listening > to AM Talk. 970 WFLA is the main station I listen to now. Can't hardly > stand the music stations anymore. They may as well be preprogrammed and > automated like the trend was back in the early 80's. > > Oh well, can't wait to see how the FCC lets things get 10 or 20 years from > now........sad isn't it... > > John T McD. > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Dec 24 06:00:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24273 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 14:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 14:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 13:59:59 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-236.iquest.net [209.43.58.236]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBODxseW025573 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 06:59:57 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001c01c3ca26$37c43780$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <80.1ef0e34.2d1a8848@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:59:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Automation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Sounds like a neat deal to be able to go live from home there! > What have you "rigged" up to allow that to happen? A couple of years ago our Hot AC (1 station in a group of 4 FM's and 1 AM) opened up a store in a local shopping mall. We had a bunch of Sony Playstation II's set-up (arcade style) for people to come in and play, and we sold our station paraphernalia (T Shirts, sweatshirts, jackets, pens, CD Holders, trash cans, ink pens, baseball caps, frisbees etc, all bearing our stations logos. We gave away Playstation II's every week from Thanksgiving through Christmas. In addition, I built a small studio in the storefront consisting of a Shure SM7 Mic with small mixer, a little processing and a 30 watt Marti transmitter. I put a Yagi antenna on the roof of the mall so we got a clear shot back to the studios. We also had a PC in the storefront studio running PC Anywhere, and it was linked to the on-air studio, running Enco's DAD Pro 32. I controlled the on-air machine via a 56K dial-up modem! I broadcasted from 7PM-10PM every Mon-Fri night from Thanksgiving through Christmas from that store-front, and had no board-op back at the station. The guy who left before I came on the air potted up the Marti and left it potted up. When I wanted to talk I simply turned up the volume on the local mixer and away I went. We kept the levels on the board at the studio a bit low so I could have some dynamic range to play with on location. Even when nobody was in the storefront studio (from 10 AM to 7 PM and all weekend long) I left the DAD display running (I disconnected the keyboard and mouse) and it drew huge crowds, even when nobody was in the storefront studio. People just stared at that screen to see what music was coming up next and they got a glimpse of how things worked. When I was actually on the air, crowds were astronomical and between songs I would bring small groups into the studio and explain how things worked. From a public-relations standpoint, it was the most impressive thing I've ever seen to attract listener's attention.The only negative thing I can say .... When the Mall closed at 10 I had to shut off the Marti and lock up the studio, so when I shut the Marti down, you could hear a momentary 'pssst' of white noise before the squelch kicked in. I drove back to the station and potted down the mart and finished my shift from the station. Otherwise, it sounded so clean, nobody believed how simple the set-up really was. I have logged in to our DAD Pro system many times form my house to fix problems or change weather forecasts. I know someone stated that they didn't like automation or voicetracking, but look at it this way: My first job in radio 30 years ago was babysitting an AM/FM combo, both stations automated with IGM equipment (4 reel decks for music, 2 cart-carousels for spots and a pair of cart machines for the time announcement recordings). All I did was take transmitter readings every hour, change the music reels when they ran out and recorded timely weather forecasts every hour or two. Today's hard-drive automation is no different (philosophically), just more sophisticated. As for voicetracking, it isn't the technology that's bad.. It's what some stations are doing with it. All of our shifts outside of morning drive are voicetracked (with exceptions, including during contesting and in weather/news merits doing it live. In addition, every shift on Saturdays are done live just so we don't get ruined by voicetracking. As for voicetracking itself, it gives the jock more time to get other things like production, promotions, engineering and IT issues taken care of. We are not a large market cluster so we have more than one responsibility between us. Our morning guy is the PD... His female sidekick is our News Director, the mid-day guy is promotions director. The afternoon jock is our production director and I am the station engineer/IT manager. Voictracking improves our productivity 100%. We do not use remote, out-of-market people to voicetrack any of our stations. Not one person has ever lost his/her job as a result of voicetracking (we started in 1997). The jock who is on the air is in the building, answering the phone lines, putting callers on the air and doing live breaks if necessary. And... if done properly, it is literally impossible to tell by listening if our jocks are live or voicetracked. Not to mention that I will be off today and tomorrow while each of our stations run 28 hours of commercial-free (automated) Christmas music. As I've posted in the past, I do evenings on our Hot AC (in addition to being the group's Chief Engineer/IT Manager). I live to do 7 to midnight on the air (that's all I ever wanted to do) but by using voicetraking, I am able to accomplish enough and improve my productivity to the point that my value to the company allows me to make a wage that was unheard of in a smaller market 20 year ago. Plus I play softball on Wednesday nights on the company team and I can leave to play ball or attend my kids' school functions and other important things. Voicetracking isn't the "great Satan of radio" I once thought it would be. It's how some stations use it that is the 'great evil'. From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Dec 24 07:02:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71898 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 15:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 15:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 15:02:39 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:02:39 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c3ca2e$f9362f10$5401010a@AM> To: References: <80.1ef0e34.2d1a8848@aol.com> <001c01c3ca26$37c43780$6401a8c0@jimspc> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:02:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Automation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Coming from a small market (12,000 people) AM/FM combo, I would have to agree with Jim. I also do engineering for the stations and I pull a board shift. While my board shift is indeed live, I have set up things in the past to have segments recorded and sorta "voice-track" some stuff. We have the old SmartCaster MPEG units on both stations...so there's no PCAnywhere here, but we've done some limited voice-tracking. Even just "programming a few songs and tracks ahead of time" gives me a nice 15 or 20 minute or even an hour at a time to get some other stuff done. I would have to agree that it is definitely what stations DO with it, not that automation and voice-tracking that is bad. When we are not live, we are satellite. I still think I like satellite better just because of the fact there's always a jock there. That adds a lot more personality to the station than so many of these large-market stations that just turn on a computer and let it sit there going round and roung playing liners and spots and music. In Salt Lake City there are several that do that. You never get any announced songs....just liners and music and ads. Many stations do that for times when they're not live and there are several that aren't live at all or live only in the morning or at night and the rest of the day it's just a computer jukebox. I love your "mall" story Jim. I've done something similar here a few times. When we've got an absolutely clear shot of the station (not often....most of town sits behind the hill from us) I've brought out the Marti, a cassette player, 2 cd players, a mic and a SHURE mixer and a bunch of CDs from the music library. This was back before I put the AM STEREO in...so we did this only for the AM since the Marti is mono, but actually broadcasted LIVE from the location....music and all. Had put together the spot breaks ahead of time on cassette. Didn't want to have to lug cart machines and a bunch of carts out there. Neat stuff! Meanwhile on another note, we STILL have a "wall of automation" installed here....same type system with reel-to-reels for music and cart carousels for spots. Don't know how much of it would still work if we fired it up again, but if I recall the "brain" of the system has problems. We just leave it there because it impresses people that come in :) Well, that and it also makes the "wall" between the studios and the front office. If we pull it out, we have no wall :) Michael n WYO KEVA Country AM Stereo 1240 Evanston Wyoming ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 6:59 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Automation [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 07:41:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52492 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 15:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 15:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 15:41:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 15:41:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 15:41:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 474 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 65.65.210.29 Subject: Chris Cuff: Ramsey AM Transmitter KIT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I've noticed that Chris Cuff has a little AM Stereo transmitter available... I'm wondering if he'd ever market something that could modify this kit from Ramsey for AM Stereo transmission? http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/cgi-bin/ commerce.exe?preadd=action&key=AM25 And as long as we're working with low-power units, I wonder if the default signal swath could be set to a nice Hi-Fi 15 khz?!!! By the way, does anyone know how wide Chris' unit's signal is right now? From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 07:51:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32255 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 15:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 15:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 15:51:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20031224155102.44202.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.103] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:51:02 PST Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:51:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031224075942.10565.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (AM Stereo) AM STEREO 1000 on the air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Michael and Ross wrote: > Yes it will be do easy to dx in New Zealand! > especially with our 8 hour darkness period at this > time of the year and a powerhouse 10mW with a local > on > 990AM as well!the SRF A300 should get that! Send me details and I'll QSL ( LOL!) Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 07:56:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30302 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 15:56:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 15:56:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 15:56:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20031224155654.21383.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.103] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:56:54 PST Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:56:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff: Ramsey AM Transmitter KIT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Douglas B." wrote: > I've noticed that Chris Cuff has a little AM Stereo > transmitter available... > > I'm wondering if he'd ever market something that > could modify this kit from Ramsey > for AM Stereo transmission? > http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/cgi-bin/ > commerce.exe?preadd=action&key=AM25 > > And as long as we're working with low-power units, I > wonder if the default signal > swath could be set to a nice Hi-Fi 15 khz?!!! > > By the way, does anyone know how wide Chris' unit's > signal is right now? It sounds as good as FM. OR BETTER IN MOST CASES OF THE CURRENTLY OVERPROCESSED FM'S IN MANY MARKETS ! ! ! The Ramsey stinks. It doesn't modulate well. The non synthesized model drifts. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 08:44:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23709 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 16:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 16:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 16:44:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 16:44:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:44:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031224155654.21383.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 487 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Chris Cuff: Ramsey AM Transmitter KIT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The Ramsey stinks. It doesn't modulate well. The non > synthesized model drifts. The Ramsey AM-1 is a piece of junk. Even as a toy for kids to play with, it's no good. The signal it produces is more FM than AM and will drift all over the place (set it up for 550 kHz, and in a few minutes it'll be at 580 kHz!). Supposedly, replacing its VFO coil with a crystal can get it to produce a clean AM signal, but at that point you're still better off using a higher-quality kit. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 09:13:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94884 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 17:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 17:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 17:13:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 17:13:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:13:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 391 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: Chris Cuff: Ramsey AM Transmitter KIT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee <> Just to be clear, I linked to the AM-25... not the AM-1. The AM-25 may also be a piece of junk... but I want to make sure we're all talking about the same piece of equipment (or junk... heh- heh). Who makes higher quality transmitter kits? And here's that link again: http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/cgi-bin/commerce.exe? preadd=action&key=AM25 From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 09:40:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15431 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 17:40:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 17:40:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 17:40:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20031224174030.49639.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.25.63] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:40:30 PST Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:40:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.46 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff: Ramsey AM Transmitter KIT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Theres gizmos and Metzos that do AM transmitters too but not sure what theyre like. Michael --- "Douglas B." wrote: > <> > > Just to be clear, I linked to the AM-25... not the > AM-1. > > The AM-25 may also be a piece of junk... but I want > to make sure > we're all talking about the same piece of equipment > (or junk... heh- > heh). > > Who makes higher quality transmitter kits? > > And here's that link again: > http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/cgi-bin/commerce.exe? > preadd=action&key=AM25 > > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 09:57:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35101 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 17:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 17:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 17:57:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20031224175731.17876.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.25.63] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:57:31 PST Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:57:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.41 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff: Ramsey AM Transmitter KIT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus They sound like FM transmitters too that you get they drift too especially if you move them slightly. Michael --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > The Ramsey stinks. It doesn't modulate well. The > non > > synthesized model drifts. > > The Ramsey AM-1 is a piece of junk. Even as a toy > for kids to play > with, it's no good. The signal it produces is more > FM than AM and > will drift all over the place (set it up for 550 > kHz, and in a few > minutes it'll be at 580 kHz!). __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dougharding@mindspring.com Wed Dec 24 10:24:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49766 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 18:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 18:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 18:24:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 18:24:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:24:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031224174030.49639.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 624 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.6.205 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff's transmitters are Great! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I am listening to one of Chris's transmitters on a Fanfare FTA-100, Carver TX-11b, and a wideband Marantz SR440. My signal is fed from my computer to a ATI Match-maker MM100 to convert the audio to balanced then through a CRL Amigo AM audio processor, back through the other side of the ATI Match-Maker to Chris's transmitter. The whole system was calibrated using a Motorola 1410 stereo modulation monitor. The sound is better then all local FM stations! I just wish Chris would make an amp to boost the power to the legal 100mw. Another great sounding mono AM transmitter is the LPB. They have a response of 50-15,000. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 10:38:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5736 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 18:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 18:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41202.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 18:38:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20031224183804.10421.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.25.63] by web41202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:38:04 PST Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:38:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.35 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff's transmitters are Great! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Which of these mentioned tuners sounds the best on the A.L? Michael --- douglasharding wrote: > I am listening to one of Chris's transmitters on a > Fanfare FTA-100, > Carver TX-11b, and a wideband Marantz SR440. My > signal .... ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 10:53:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77387 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 18:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 18:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 18:53:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 18:52:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:52:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 179 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff's/Douglas Harding's Rigs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Say, what computer software do you use to program your music line-up? The cheapest solution is probably iTunes, which has a volume averaging function and a seg time adjustment. From dougharding@mindspring.com Wed Dec 24 10:58:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52030 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 18:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 18:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 18:58:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 18:58:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:58:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031224183804.10421.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 995 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.6.205 Subject: The Fanfare is the best. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I would have to say the Fanfare FTA-100 sounds better. The Carver and Marantz are the same. The Marantz was modified to be wideband. The Fanfare has balanced outputs and that could be the reason. It is also built to the AMAX specs, the other two are older and were not. For DXing the Fanfare blows the others away. Next would be the Carver. The Marantz is very poor for DXing. It probably has to do with the wideband modification. All three are using a Radio Shack loop antenna. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Which of these mentioned tuners sounds the best on the > A.L? > > Michael > --- douglasharding wrote: > > I am listening to one of Chris's transmitters on a > > Fanfare FTA-100, > > Carver TX-11b, and a wideband Marantz SR440. My > > signal .... > > ===== > Michael&Ross > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dougharding@mindspring.com Wed Dec 24 11:12:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34598 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 19:12:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 19:12:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 19:12:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 19:12:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:12:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 680 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.6.205 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff's/Douglas Harding's Rigs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I just play CDs or Audio DVDs I have made or stream off the internet. I am not using any specific software. I am not really trying to run a radio station although everyone in my high rise building can receive the signal perfectly. I grounded the transmitter to the building's AC ground. The transmitting antenna is one I bought from Kenneke electronics. You can pick up the signal up to a half block away on 880khz. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > Say, what computer software do you use to program your music line-up? > > The cheapest solution is probably iTunes, which has a volume > averaging function and a seg time adjustment. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 11:24:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28522 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 19:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 19:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41011.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 19:24:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20031224192408.81078.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.230.138.240] by web41011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:24:08 PST Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:24:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.10 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSOS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Tell Alsobrook I said hi! Jay Rogers ex-WFOY & WFCF. Now P.D. WPEP Board op WSAR, WHTB, WWBB. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 12:14:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20491 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 20:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 20:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 20:14:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 20:14:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 20:14:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031224174030.49639.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 336 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.137 Subject: Re: Ramsey AM Transmitter KIT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Theres gizmos and Metzos that do AM transmitters too > but not sure what theyre like. Panaxis makes a really nice crystal-controlled AM (mono) transmitter kit that supposedly has audio response flat out to 20 kHz. It also claims to use some special method to allow modulation up to 300% (?). http://www.panaxis.com/p-trans.html From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Dec 24 12:59:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51746 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 20:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 20:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 20:59:13 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.74] (d42-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.74]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hBOKxBn58326 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:59:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:58:49 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: Changes to part 15 coming. COMMENT! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MODIFICATION OF PARTS 2 AND 15 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES AND EQUIPMENT APPROVAL. Granted the request for an extension of tim= e to file comments to January 23, 2004, and Reply Comments to February 7, 2004, in ET Docket No. 03-201. (Dkt No. 03-201). Action by: Chief, Office o= f Engineering and Technology. Adopted: 12/23/2003 by ORDER. (DA No. 03-4096). OET=A0 DA-03-4096A1.doc=A0 DA-03-4096A1.pdf=A0 DA-03-4096A1.txt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 13:09:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49421 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 21:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 21:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 21:09:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 21:09:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:09:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031224192408.81078.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 240 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 209.26.126.28 Subject: Re: WSOS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 I mentioned the WSOS conversion already in an email titled "Florida AM Stereo"...Alsobrook told me he's waiting for the exciter manual... WSOS was previously Stereo as WKLN, this was Chuck Simpson (www.Stereoam.com)'s station. --Tony S. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 13:14:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75663 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 21:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 21:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 21:14:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 21:14:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:14:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 631 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 209.26.126.28 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Any Stereo AM in Central Florida?????? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > corridor is WWBF (aka WBF), 1130 am-stereo; an oldies format. I've been on Sanibel/Captiva for the past few days, where I'm getting WBF, and WVOI/1480 Marco Island (pilot only)....Both of them run the same Jones Oldies satellite service...It's been interesting switching between the two. > and WDCQ - 1200, Ft Myers were all am > stereo. They were several others as well. 770 in Ft. Myers was Stereo as well, as well as WKII/1070 in Port Charlotte..In Miami you had WCMQ/1210, WWFE/670, WQAM/560, and briefly, WIOD/610 all with C-QUAM...Miami's WGBS (later WAQI) 710 ran Kahn from about 1982-83 until 1989. --Tony S. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Wed Dec 24 13:57:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32572 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 21:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 21:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 21:56:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 21:56:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:56:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 272 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 165.247.42.163 Subject: WICC at Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio In beautiful C-Quam! Sounds great on the SRF-42 and they're probably doing the best job at selecting music. Little holiday stories are being thrown in at well. Too bad this beautiful sounding AM is wasted on talk all year. They always did a good job with music. From stodd@vippn.com Wed Dec 24 15:01:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93064 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 23:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 23:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 23:01:57 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-76-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.76]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9718014E0C5 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:01:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <010101c3ca72$44fb2ca0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:50:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Changes to part 15 coming. COMMENT! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude What changes are they proposing? Part 15 isn't a small document. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" MODIFICATION OF PARTS 2 AND 15 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES AND EQUIPMENT APPROVAL. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 20:43:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47089 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 04:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 04:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 04:43:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2003 04:43:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 04:43:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 987 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.137 Subject: Re: WICC at Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > In beautiful C-Quam! Sounds great on the SRF-42 and they're > probably doing the best job at selecting music. Over in cental New Jersey, 1450 WCTC is also broadcasting continuous, commercial-free Christmas music in full AM Stereo, just as they've done for years. Actually, since 2001 it's been a simulcast with their FM sister station Magic 98.3 (WMGQ), but it sounds just as good nonetheless, and makes an interesting comparison between AM Stereo and FM Stereo. And unlike some AM/FM simulcasts, in every ID and jingle they proudly mention 1450 WCTC as well as the FM station. OTOH, my vote for the worst-sounding holiday music broadcast: 710 WOR. If their IBOC during the daytime wasn't enough, even at night it sounds horrible because they're still running 6 kHz audio with WOR's extremely aggressive "talk"-oriented audio processing. If they backed it off a couple notches and opened up the bandwidth, it would make a _world_ of difference, even without AM Stereo. From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Dec 24 21:28:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92539 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 05:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 05:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 05:28:00 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.161] (d129-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.161]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hBP5Rxn83873 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:27:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:27:36 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: AM stereo transmit gear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message: 8 From: "kgdn" To: Subject: Re: [BC] New AM stereo signals... Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:15:00 -0800 Reply-To: broadcast@broadcast.net Gathering dust on my shelves are a Harris AM Stereo Exciter set up at 920Khz and Harris Mod Monitor. They are conversions to Motorola standard and I've got the books. Anybody interested? Bill Glenn KGDN-KYAK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Dec 24 21:33:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13093 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 05:33:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 05:33:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 05:33:36 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3702B70568 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DD81800A9 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031225003652.00ac8008@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:42:08 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.49 From: John Holcomb II Subject: (AM Stereo) Christmas music?1210 WPHT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't get WTTM or WBCB at night time like this and WPHT seems to be running normal programming. Are they doing any type of Christmas music tomorrow? I'm assuming that at around six AM when they go live, they'll do Christmas music in Stereo. I sort of get WPEN (AM Stereo) but not very clear at nighttime. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Dec 24 21:44:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10663 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 05:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 05:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 05:44:26 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EAB81210A6C for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C151800A9 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031225004835.00ae1cd8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:52:24 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031225003652.00ac8008@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.14 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} (AM Stereo) Christmas music?1210 WPHT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have someone telling me that WTTM is playing Christmas music in English now. Neal will you have this be running at all during the daytime tomorrow? I want to do some airchecking as well. WTTM has one hell of a killer audio processing chain. Even I approve, and I usually have some sort of complaint about audio processing, but not from WTTM or WXPn. They both sound awesome! At 12:42 AM 12/25/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I don't get WTTM or WBCB at night time like this and WPHT seems to be running normal programming. >Are they doing any type of Christmas music tomorrow? >I'm assuming that at around six AM when they go live, they'll do Christmas music in Stereo. >I sort of get WPEN (AM Stereo) but not very clear at nighttime. > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > >Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Dec 24 21:47:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12911 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 05:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 05:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 05:47:26 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2003122505385701100jf0iee>; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:38:57 +0000 To: Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:38:58 -0500 Message-ID: <005001c3caa9$65409180$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031225003652.00ac8008@pop.GameBox.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.55 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} (AM Stereo) Christmas music?1210 WPHT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn 760 WJR seems to be running some kind of Disney Christmas thing right now. I=92m not sure if there=92s any separation though, I have to listen closer. I forget, is WLS supposed to have AM stereo? I=92m not getting stereo from them, but they=92re playing Christmas music. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II [mailto:JH_Radio@GameBox.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 12:42 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} (AM Stereo) Christmas music?1210 WPHT I don't get WTTM or WBCB at night time like this and WPHT seems to be running normal programming. Are they doing any type of Christmas music tomorrow? I'm assuming that at around six AM when they go live, they'll do Christmas music in Stereo. I sort of get WPEN (AM Stereo) but not very clear at nighttime. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! 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Terms of Service.=20 From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Dec 24 22:39:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97886 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 06:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 06:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 06:39:44 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.12e.384743f3 (3850) for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 01:39:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12e.384743f3.2d1be02a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 01:39:38 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.37 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} (AM Stereo) Christmas music?1210 WPHT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/25/03 12:48:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 jjlehmann@comcast.net writes: > 760 WJR seems to be running some kind of Disney Christmas thing right > now. I=E2=80=99m not sure if there=E2=80=99s any separation though, I hav= e to listen > closer. I forget, is WLS supposed to have AM stereo? I=E2=80=99m not gett= ing > stereo from them, but they=E2=80=99re playing Christmas music 760 WJR is running the same thing I am running here..."Walt Disney World=20 Christmas Special".WJR is in stereo...just picked them up on the SR-66.Also= sems=20 to be another station in the 800's somewhere popping in stereo from time to= =20 time running the same show...buts its to dog gone cold to stand outside awa= y from=20 the computer hash to DX...especially with the kids getting up at the crack = of=20 dawn...lol The breaks on that Walt Disney Christmas special are as follows...top of th= e=20 hour is set aside for 3 minutes of news,then at 3 minutes past is a 3 minut= e=20 local break.An optional 2:30 minute break will come around 20 minutes=20 past...its a floating break.Then another floating 4 minute break around 29 = past...this=20 is also the "Santa report spot",Another local 3:30 minute break around 40=20 minutes past, and the final floating break around 52 minutes past the hour.= .this=20 break is minutes in lenght. The final break comes at 58minutes and 40 secon= ds=20 of the hour and takes everything back to the top of the hour.This clock is = good=20 until 4am Eastern.The next clock...just remove the bottom of the hour break= =20 and the one around 52 minutes past.If the engineers out there have everythi= ng=20 setup..there should be a "liner" to follow each local break except for the = one=20 at 3 minutes past the hour. The show will continue until 9pm Eastern Christmas night [at that point we = go=20 back to local hard drive music until midnight.].Anyhow,the network feed is= =20 offered in stereo and in mono.Myself here at WGAI and by what I've heard fr= om=20 WJR...we are in stereo.[WGAI is even in stereo on the shoutcast.com=20 webstream...search for WGAI] Another thing....is it just me,or does it seem like that there are not as=20 many stations on AM broadcasting holiday music this year? Happy Holidays from the Christmas spirit of the Albemarle ..56 WGAI AM Ster= eo=20 Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=C2=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ= -Wakefield Va =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Dec 24 22:43:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2971 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 06:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 06:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.202.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 06:43:30 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003122505515701600rl32ie>; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:51:57 +0000 To: Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:51:59 -0500 Message-ID: <005101c3caab$368a0860$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <005001c3caa9$65409180$6400a8c0@AMD> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.64 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} (AM Stereo) Christmas music?1210 WPHT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Actually, my problem with getting stereo on WLS (if they do have it) could be that local WAMG fights with it at night somewhat. I did see stereo pop up a few times. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Lehmann [mailto:jjlehmann@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 12:39 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} (AM Stereo) Christmas music?1210 WPHT 760 WJR seems to be running some kind of Disney Christmas thing right now. I=92m not sure if there=92s any separation though, I have to listen closer. I forget, is WLS supposed to have AM stereo? I=92m not getting stereo from them, but they=92re playing Christmas music. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II [mailto:JH_Radio@GameBox.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 12:42 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} (AM Stereo) Christmas music?1210 WPHT I don't get WTTM or WBCB at night time like this and WPHT seems to be running normal programming. Are they doing any type of Christmas music tomorrow? I'm assuming that at around six AM when they go live, they'll do Christmas music in Stereo. I sort of get WPEN (AM Stereo) but not very clear at nighttime. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ =A0=20 =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =A0=20 =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ =A0=20 =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =A0=20 =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Dec 24 23:55:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48963 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 07:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 07:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.112) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 07:55:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 23:55:47 -0800 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav8.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 07:55:47 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 02:55:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2003 07:55:47.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[819FC5E0:01C3CABC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.112 From: "Robert" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo transmit gear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Contact me privately @ kc8gpd28@spamminator.earthlink.net Remove "spamminator." thanks, Rev. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From paulmcrane@hotmail.com Thu Dec 25 01:21:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: paulmcrane@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20056 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 09:21:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 09:21:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.17) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 09:21:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 01:21:20 -0800 Received: from 68.76.48.224 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 09:21:19 GMT X-Originating-Email: [paulmcrane@hotmail.com] X-Sender: paulmcrane@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 04:21:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2003 09:21:20.0056 (UTC) FILETIME=[74EE7380:01C3CAC8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.15.17 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.76.48.224] Subject: RE: {AMSF} (AM Stereo) Christmas music?1210 WPHT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=165317089 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane WLS is in stereo, or at least they were over Thanksgiving when I was in the Chicagoland area. I, too, have difficulty getting them here at home in Jackson (MI) in stereo and in Niles (also in MI). WGN lights up the indicator almost instantly. Is WLS running directional with a null to the east? BTW, I can get stereo out of WJR in Columbus, IN, even daytime! Paul Crane >From: "Jeff Lehmann" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: RE: {AMSF} (AM Stereo) Christmas music?1210 WPHT >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:38:58 -0500 > >760 WJR seems to be running some kind of Disney Christmas thing right >now. I’m not sure if there’s any separation though, I have to listen >closer. I forget, is WLS supposed to have AM stereo? I’m not getting >stereo from them, but they’re playing Christmas music. > >Jeff Lehmann >Hanson, MA > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Holcomb II [mailto:JH_Radio@GameBox.net] >Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 12:42 AM >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} (AM Stereo) Christmas music?1210 WPHT > > > >I don't get WTTM or WBCB at night time like this and WPHT seems to be >running normal programming. >Are they doing any type of Christmas music tomorrow? >I'm assuming that at around six AM when they go live, they'll do >Christmas music in Stereo. >I sort of get WPEN (AM Stereo) but not very clear at nighttime. > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > >Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Thu Dec 25 01:49:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83788 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 09:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 09:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.21) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 09:48:59 -0000 Received: from user-1722.l3.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.134.186] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AZS6q-0005KJ-Kg for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 09:48:48 +0000 Message-ID: <2E4ghWIvIr6$Ewjl@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 09:47:27 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.21 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Best kits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Douglas and others, On the Community Radio USA group pretty much the two best current Part-15 AM TX kits out there at present would have to be the Hamilton and the Metzo. The latter is a completely new design over their other kit the Gizmo. Doug, IMHO it's difficult to say the LPB is good when there's nothing else (other than the Radio Systems rigs) out there to compare it with. I installed one at a local school station here in the UK. It has a linear PA (not so linear) and with low level mod. They had a Inovonnics 235 processor. This equipment was installed prior to my visit. I had to help them sort out their antenna system which was performing poorly. I really don't like the sound of this TX nor does it modulate to 100% pos without severe distortion. When I was involved a couple of years back with WLYC in Williamsport, Pa I took the LPB out (night-time 38w) and installed a 50w pulse width modulated rig. There was no comparison, like day and night. Two engineer colleagues are now working on our own LP PWM design to make it more affordable: Here's what we plugged into that 229ft tower: http://www.transmittersrus.com/shop/radica50am.htm -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com/pages/index.htm From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Dec 25 03:54:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93462 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 11:54:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 11:54:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 11:54:27 -0000 Received: from dialup-67.31.194.138.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([67.31.194.138] helo=earthlink.net) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AZU4Q-000430-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 03:54:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3FEACFFC.14692E2E@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 06:54:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.22 From: Dick W Subject: Greetings! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Merry Christmas to everyone on the am stereo forum list! Dick W. From dougharding@mindspring.com Thu Dec 25 07:08:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84450 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 15:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 15:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 15:08:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2003 15:08:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 15:08:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2E4ghWIvIr6$Ewjl@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1728 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.73.44 Subject: Re: Best kits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding My last experience with LPB was 13 years ago when I installed a carrier current system at the University of Tampa. There the LPB 30 watt transmitters sounded better then the local FMs. I really do not know if their current transmitters sound as good so you may be right. I have never heard their part 15 transmitter. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Douglas and others, > > On the Community Radio USA group pretty much the two best current > Part-15 AM TX kits out there at present would have to be the Hamilton > and the Metzo. The latter is a completely new design over their other > kit the Gizmo. > > Doug, IMHO it's difficult to say the LPB is good when there's nothing > else (other than the Radio Systems rigs) out there to compare it with. > > I installed one at a local school station here in the UK. It has a > linear PA (not so linear) and with low level mod. They had a Inovonnics > 235 processor. This equipment was installed prior to my visit. I had to > help them sort out their antenna system which was performing poorly. > > I really don't like the sound of this TX nor does it modulate to 100% > pos without severe distortion. > > When I was involved a couple of years back with WLYC in Williamsport, Pa > I took the LPB out (night-time 38w) and installed a 50w pulse width > modulated rig. There was no comparison, like day and night. > > Two engineer colleagues are now working on our own LP PWM design to make > it more affordable: > > Here's what we plugged into that 229ft tower: > http://www.transmittersrus.com/shop/radica50am.htm > > -- > Philip de Cadenet > Transmitters 'R' Us > http://www.transmittersrus.com/pages/index.htm From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 11:27:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29917 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 19:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 19:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 19:27:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20031225192749.54767.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 11:27:49 PST Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 11:27:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.151 From: "John P." Subject: WJR & WSPD Disappointment; CFCO great as usual. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WJR - owned by Disney - is running the Disney Christmas programming in MONO ! Local news & spots are still in AM stereo - but all of the feed is MONO for the 2nd year in a row - what a disappointment. CFCO is running all of their special progamming in stereo though. WSPD did NOT turn-on the AMS for their music unfortunately, but their audio is surprisingly good with music considering they're usually all talk. Wish they'd turn the stereo on for just one day - not that I didn't ask again. And yes Bob, it seems that many AM's didn't have any special programming until midnight, if at all. I tried your station up here, but couldn't getcha. WCBS overpowered WLS last night, so couldn't check stereo with them. WSAI had a good MONO signal and programming overnight. MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 11:33:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17628 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 19:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 19:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 19:33:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20031225193320.25343.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.25.63] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 11:33:20 PST Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 11:33:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031225192749.54767.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.45 From: Michael and Ross Subject: From a MW Yahoo group about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus "NY Times had a short puff-piece on the new IBOC (er, "high- definition radio") receivers today. Read like a press release from Ibiquity or WOR. The first gear is a Kenwood car radio for $350. Better get your fill of MW DXing before this thing gets too widely adopted." ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 11:53:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82168 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 19:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 19:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 19:53:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20031225195316.85128.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 11:53:16 PST Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 11:53:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031225193320.25343.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.85 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} From a MW Yahoo group about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Michael and Ross wrote: > > "NY Times had a short puff-piece on the new IBOC > (er, > "high- > definition radio") receivers today. Read like a > press > release from Ibiquity or WOR. The first gear is a > Kenwood > car radio for $350. Actually the radio is under or right at $200 *AND* you have to add the $350 HD converter. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Thu Dec 25 12:12:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66969 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 20:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 20:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 20:12:05 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B5FA7212A38 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 20:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D681A0161 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 20:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031225132058.029059f0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 13:22:11 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3FEACFFC.14692E2E@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.14 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Greetings! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right back atcha there buddy! Hopefully everyone is safe and enjoying the AM Stereo sounds of the holiday season. At 06:54 AM 12/25/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Merry Christmas to everyone on the am stereo forum list! >Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 14:46:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98920 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 22:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 22:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 22:46:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2003 22:46:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 22:46:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031225192749.54767.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1014 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.6 Subject: Re: WJR & WSPD Disappointment; CFCO great as usual. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WJR - owned by Disney - is running the Disney Christmas programming > in MONO ! Local news & spots are still in AM stereo - but all of > the feed is MONO for the 2nd year in a row - what a disappointment. They might only have their satellite receiver set up for mono, because none of the syndicated talk shows -- or even the overnight trucker's show they carry -- are in stereo. Back in October, I did catch 760 WJR playing the "Flashback 1980" music show in full Stereo, but that might have been played locally from WJR's studio. Here's my 2003 AM Stereo Christmas music list: Local reception: 600 WICC Bridgeport, CT 850 WREF Ridgefield, CT 950 WPEN Philadelphia, PA 1210 WPHT Philadelphia, PA 1450 WCTC New Brunswick, NJ 1680 WTTM Princeton, NJ Skywave reception: 760 WJR Detroit, MI (mono network feed, local elements in Stereo) 790 CIGM Sudbury, ON, Canada (*excellent* full Stereo sound!) 1520 WWKB Buffalo, NY (AM Stereo pilot but no separation - plus IBOC hash from 1530 WSAI... bah, humbug!) From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 15:07:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25430 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 23:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 23:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 23:07:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2003 23:07:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 23:07:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 700 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.102 Subject: Christmas in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Mostly a Bah Humbug Christmas from what I could pick up in SW Florida, from Sanibel on the way to Miami..."Newstalk 540 WFLA" WFLF/540 Orlando (ex AM Stereo WGTO) ran music, mostly a simulcast of WMGF/107.7 (and the Limbaugh Christmas music special), but I heard it in the car radio, which was Mono, and couldn't check for a pilot (Donn/Dick/Juan et al. in Florida, did any of you bother to check for a pilot on 540?)..The pilot-only 1660 WCNZ in Marco Island ran an abbreviated version of the Disney Christmas special, again, couldn't get a strong enough signal on the WM-FX-1 to get it to trip into Stereo so I couldn't tell if they had any special separation for today. --Tony S./Miami From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 15:10:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40477 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 23:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 23:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 23:10:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2003 23:10:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 23:10:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 196 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.102 Subject: IBOC back on at WQAM.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 The 'cricket' is chirping again on 560 underneath the analog audio, and 550 and 570 are awash with that infamous hash....Santa Claus has brought to Miami the return of IBOC on WQAM!! --Tony S. From tkienzle22@yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 20:31:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tkienzle22@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14829 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 04:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 04:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 04:30:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2003 04:30:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:30:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 90 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "tkienzle22" X-Originating-IP: 24.94.179.207 Subject: Tecsun BCL-2000 or SR III? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169406459 X-Yahoo-Profile: tkienzle22 Well I want a good am radio for the price how good is the tecsun worth the money or not.. From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Dec 25 20:37:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76464 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 04:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 04:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 04:37:36 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.22.413364dd (4410) for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 23:37:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <22.413364dd.2d1d150c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 23:37:32 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.161 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR & WSPD Disappointment; CFCO great as usual. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/25/03 5:47:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > >WJR - owned by Disney - is running the Disney Christmas programming > >in MONO ! Local news &spots are still in AM stereo - but all of > >the feed is MONO for the 2nd year in a row - what a disappointment. >=20 > They might only have their satellite receiver set up for mono,=20 > because none of the syndicated talk shows -- or even the overnight=20 > trucker's show they carry -- are in stereo. Back in October, I did=20 > catch 760 WJR playing the "Flashback 1980" music show in full Stereo,=20 > but that might have been played locally from WJR's studio. >=20 >=20 I could have sworn that I heard the network programming in stereo during a= =20 quick band scan on Christmas Eve on WJR ...which I dont think is owned by=20 Disney. The Walt Disney Christmas Special that my station WGAI and WJR alon= g with=20 many others ran this holiday special.The holiday program was not Radio Disn= ey=20 ...this was an entirely different and separate deal. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Dec 25 20:45:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19469 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 04:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 04:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 04:45:17 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003122604451601200t8js4e>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:45:16 +0000 To: Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 23:45:24 -0500 Message-ID: <007901c3cb6b$13732bc0$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <22.413364dd.2d1d150c@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.56 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WJR & WSPD Disappointment; CFCO great as usual. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn WJR actually is owned by Disney/ABC. I listened to it more myself last night, and the difference was obvious between promos/commercials and the Disney show. It would have sounded great in stereo, oh well maybe next year. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com [mailto:KC4QLP@aol.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 11:38 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR & WSPD Disappointment; CFCO great as usual. In a message dated 12/25/03 5:47:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > >WJR - owned by Disney - is running the Disney Christmas programming > >in MONO ! Local news &spots are still in AM stereo - but all of > >the feed is MONO for the 2nd year in a row - what a disappointment. >=20 > They might only have their satellite receiver set up for mono,=20 > because none of the syndicated talk shows -- or even the overnight=20 > trucker's show they carry -- are in stereo.=A0 Back in October, I did=20 > catch 760 WJR playing the "Flashback 1980" music show in full Stereo,=20 > but that might have been played locally from WJR's studio. >=20 >=20 I could have sworn that I heard the network programming in stereo during a=20 quick band scan on Christmas Eve on WJR ...which I dont think is owned by=20 Disney. The Walt Disney Christmas Special that my station WGAI and WJR along with=20 many others ran this holiday special.The holiday program was not Radio Disney=20 ...this was an entirely different and separate deal. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! 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Terms of Service.=20 From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Dec 25 20:48:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40542 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 04:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 04:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 04:48:02 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.96.36b85e (4410) for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 23:47:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <96.36b85e.2d1d177d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 23:47:57 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.103 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR & WSPD Disappointment; CFCO great as usual. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/25/03 5:47:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > They might only have their satellite receiver set up for mono,=20 > because none of the syndicated talk shows -- or even the overnight=20 > trucker's show they carry -- are in stereo. Back in October, I did=20 > catch 760 WJR playing the "Flashback 1980" music show in full Stereo,=20 > but that might have been played locally from WJR's studio. >=20 BTW...the Walt Disney Special was fed on two different Starguide III=20 channels. One feed was a mono feed and the other feed [ which is the one we= used here=20 ] was a stereo channel.We cant say that they didnt know which channel to=20 pickup as the channel info was printed on our program clocks. I still thoug= ht I=20 heard network program content coming through in stereo here from WJR...but = with=20 the flaky conditions..who knows really.But even if it were mono...its sad t= hat=20 there isnt a little extra mile taken on engineering departments to acheive = the=20 highest and best sound on AM. I have a cable that runs up on the ceiling fr= om=20 the satelitte receivers to my networks tools switcher...a little soldering = to=20 add two wires to the other end to grab the stereo programming is always wor= th=20 the little extra effort every year at this time. The Trucking Bozo show..which is the one I think is being referred too is f= ed=20 in two channel mono on the Premiere Radio networks. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Dec 25 21:43:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43005 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 05:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 05:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 05:43:44 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBQ5fXJK011915 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:41:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3FEBC8FB.1030602@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:36:59 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WICC at Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess no one noticed the Christmas music thats been playing on WTTM... Kevin T. wrote: >>In beautiful C-Quam! Sounds great on the SRF-42 and they're >>probably doing the best job at selecting music. >> >> > >Over in cental New Jersey, 1450 WCTC is also broadcasting continuous, >commercial-free Christmas music in full AM Stereo, just as they've >done for years. Actually, since 2001 it's been a simulcast with >their FM sister station Magic 98.3 (WMGQ), but it sounds just as good >nonetheless, and makes an interesting comparison between AM Stereo >and FM Stereo. And unlike some AM/FM simulcasts, in every ID and >jingle they proudly mention 1450 WCTC as well as the FM station. > >OTOH, my vote for the worst-sounding holiday music broadcast: >710 WOR. If their IBOC during the daytime wasn't enough, even at >night it sounds horrible because they're still running 6 kHz audio >with WOR's extremely aggressive "talk"-oriented audio processing. >If they backed it off a couple notches and opened up the bandwidth, >it would make a _world_ of difference, even without AM Stereo. > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Dec 25 21:47:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23772 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 05:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 05:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 05:47:54 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBQ5jhJK011933 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:45:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3FEBC9F5.1080501@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:41:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031225004835.00ae1cd8@pop.GameBox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031225004835.00ae1cd8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} (AM Stereo) Christmas music?1210 WPHT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello John WTTM is Running X-mas music on the following sched. Dec 24th From Midnight til 1 am then 5 am to 6am Dec 25th from 5:30pm to 8 pm dec 26th from Midnight through 3am I forgot what the other times I scheduled. Mostly at night just to keep the GM off my back.. Neal John Holcomb II wrote: >I have someone telling me that WTTM is playing Christmas music in English now. >Neal will you have this be running at all during the daytime tomorrow? >I want to do some airchecking as well. WTTM has one hell of a killer audio processing chain. >Even I approve, and I usually have some sort of complaint about audio processing, but not from WTTM or WXPn. They both sound awesome! > > > >At 12:42 AM 12/25/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >>I don't get WTTM or WBCB at night time like this and WPHT seems to be running normal programming. >>Are they doing any type of Christmas music tomorrow? >>I'm assuming that at around six AM when they go live, they'll do Christmas music in Stereo. >>I sort of get WPEN (AM Stereo) but not very clear at nighttime. >> >> >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >>Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >>To visit your group on the web, go to: >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ >> >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > >John > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Fri Dec 26 00:13:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71788 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 08:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 08:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 08:13:18 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id ECC292130D8 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0926D1A01A5 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031226015741.0290b740@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 02:05:05 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3FEBC8FB.1030602@skyweb.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.14 From: John Holcomb II Subject: WTTM at Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tryed to get WTTM last night when I couldn't sleep but barely could get it, flaky stereo signal on the SRF-42. It was mixed with other stuff such as God knows what? .. At least from Bensalem here. Checked again later around 6 or seven in the morning but no Christmas music.... Didn't have the money to get a Select-A-Tenna due to so much buying for others. Maybe that' would have helped me as I wanted to do some unscoped airchecking for my personal enjoyment and for posting to the AMStereoRadio FTP server. I figured that the audio processing would really make the stereo/dynamic range stand out on WTTm. At 12:36 AM 12/26/2003 -0500, you wrote: > I guess no one noticed the Christmas music thats been playing on WTTM... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Fri Dec 26 00:13:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30219 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 08:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 08:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 08:13:47 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DC102130E5 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EA21A0166 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031226020536.00a04710@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 02:07:17 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3FEBC9F5.1080501@skyweb.net> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031225004835.00ae1cd8@pop.GameBox.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20031225004835.00ae1cd8@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.14 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} (AM Stereo) Christmas music?1210 WPHT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OH.... Thanks Neal but as I posted before I saw this message... Not sure if I'll get TTM but I'll try.... At 12:41 AM 12/26/2003 -0500, you wrote: > Hello John > WTTM is Running X-mas music on the following sched. >Dec 24th From Midnight til 1 am then 5 am to 6am >Dec 25th from 5:30pm to 8 pm >dec 26th from Midnight through 3am > I forgot what the other times I scheduled. > Mostly at night just to keep the GM off my back.. >Neal > >John Holcomb II wrote: > >>I have someone telling me that WTTM is playing Christmas music in English now. >>Neal will you have this be running at all during the daytime tomorrow? >>I want to do some airchecking as well. WTTM has one hell of a killer audio processing chain. >>Even I approve, and I usually have some sort of complaint about audio processing, but not from WTTM or WXPn. They both sound awesome! >> >> >> >>At 12:42 AM 12/25/2003 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>I don't get WTTM or WBCB at night time like this and WPHT seems to be running normal programming. >>>Are they doing any type of Christmas music tomorrow? >>>I'm assuming that at around six AM when they go live, they'll do Christmas music in Stereo. >>>I sort of get WPEN (AM Stereo) but not very clear at nighttime. >>> >>> >>> >>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>>Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >>> >>> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>>To visit your group on the web, go to: >>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ >>> >>>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>>amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>> >>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >>>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> >>> >> >> >>John >> >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >>Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >>To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ >> >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> >> > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com DC: JH_Radio on hub: AndreLouis.COM:88 IRC server op on: irc.the-bofh.com on channel #Cutiecat's [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oscar@globility.com Fri Dec 26 06:19:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40069 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 14:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 14:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 14:19:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2003 14:19:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:19:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 833 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.14 Subject: Chicagoland AMS and Xmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Someone was wondering if WGN or WLS were in stereo over Christmas. They were and some of their programming was very good. Perhaps the better receiver to listen to one of them might have been one of the lesser discerning models spoken about in this group as the audio quality on one of them was not particularly complimentary. On the other, to the typical listener, the AMS could have easily passed for FM. However, WFMT-FM was also sampled and that brought to a screeching halt any notion that AM was capable of replacing FM any time soon. The receiver was the FTA-100 and the monitor location was about 45 to 65 miles north of Chicago, depending on the location of the Tx site. I can't put these soundbites up for obvious reasons. However, if you want to know more, please contact me off-line. Happy New Year All. MS From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Dec 26 09:14:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31840 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 17:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 17:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 17:14:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2003 17:14:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:14:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3FEBC8FB.1030602@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 434 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.162.219 Subject: Re: WICC at Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > I guess no one noticed the Christmas music thats been playing on WTTM... Actually I did, but not in stereo. I was DX'ing in the early afternoon on the way to Manorville and heard WTTM as far east as the William Floyd Pkwy on the LIE (and it was barely audible). I could make out some Christmas music, but that signal is good if it gets that far out. From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Dec 26 14:58:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71051 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 22:58:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 22:58:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 22:58:18 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.236]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:03:58 -0500 Message-ID: <003f01c3cc03$8b70cea0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20031224183804.10421.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:56:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff's transmitters are Great! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Michael asked which tuner sounds best using the Alf Lite- My findings are that the SRF42 is best all around. The Carver is great, but too "hissy"- When I build these, I use 3 different radios: The SRF42 for sound check The Aiwa HS-RX626 for pilot checking, and a Sony "Sonahawk" Japan Boombox for international sales as it only tunes on 9khz stepping, digitally, but curiously it goes to 1700. I also use the Sony Sonahawk for pilot fine tuning- it is very picky about going into stereo. Tuning it to the nearest 10khz freq, I adjust the pilot to still lock in. Thanks to all for the kind words! Now over 100 in use world-wide on 6 continents- As Alex says- it's PFS (Pretty F***** Special) BTW- I have been in contact with Alex K, he is doing great with his new baby boy. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Ross To: From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Dec 26 15:01:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25379 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 23:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 23:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 23:01:49 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.236]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:07:28 -0500 Message-ID: <004b01c3cc04$0928a520$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:00:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: More power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Has anyone else tried one of the Ramsey 1 watt amps on my transmitter? I had excellent results with one, and at the price, it seems a very cheap solution to those asking for more power. Note that with these amps, you HAVE to use a proper tuned antenna- you can easily destroy the RF transistor. Chris From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Dec 26 15:06:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34900 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 23:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 23:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 23:06:52 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.236]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:12:32 -0500 Message-ID: <005601c3cc04$bdc5d3e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:05:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff:Philips AZ1305? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have not seen the innards of one of these. Philips no longer gives us manuals for these small sets. If they go bad, they are exchange only. I do know that most all the ones I have seen since 2000 have been quite generic inside, and do not use Philips chipsets. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sundquist To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:02 AM Subject: {AMSF} Chris Cuff:Philips AZ1305? > Chris... > I was given a Philips AZ1305 boombox today. From mark_608@hotmail.com Fri Dec 26 15:09:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55337 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 23:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 23:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.104) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 23:09:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:09:41 -0800 Received: from 68.43.171.59 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:09:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:09:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2003 23:09:41.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[57D58660:01C3CC05] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.17.104 From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [68.43.171.59] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff:Philips AZ1305? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Doh! I did not see this before I posted the other message...sorry! mark >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff:Philips AZ1305? >Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:05:22 -0500 > >I have not seen the innards of one of these. Philips no longer gives us >manuals for these small sets. If they go bad, they are exchange only. I do >know that most all the ones I have seen since 2000 have been quite generic >inside, and do not use Philips chipsets. >Chris >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark Sundquist >To: >Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:02 AM >Subject: {AMSF} Chris Cuff:Philips AZ1305? > > > > Chris... > > I was given a Philips AZ1305 boombox today. > _________________________________________________________________ Expand your wine savvy — and get some great new recipes — at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Dec 26 19:03:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69913 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 03:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 03:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 03:03:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:03:37 -0800 Received: from 172.166.249.177 by bay7-dav29.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 03:03:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <3FEBC8FB.1030602@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:00:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2003 03:03:37.0831 (UTC) FILETIME=[0604D770:01C3CC26] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.86 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.166.249.177] Subject: WTTM was: WICC at Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Neal Newman wrote: > I guess no one noticed the Christmas music thats been playing on WTTM... I am spending the Christmas weekend 29 miles from the transmitter of (Power Cheating) 1680 WLAA Winter Garden, FL. I couldnt hear WTTM on a bet here. Kevin From stodd@vippn.com Fri Dec 26 20:00:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94837 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 04:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 04:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 04:00:23 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-87-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.87]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BDA114E09F for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:00:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009d01c3cc2e$4e233d00$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:53:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} (AM Stereo) Christmas music?1210 WPHT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No- they're way to the south of the other broadcasters, like 20-30 miles, and that makes quite a difference where the skip zone falls. Their engineer is quite proud of the AMS. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Crane" > Is WLS running directional with a null to the > east? From dav259@csiro.au Fri Dec 26 20:22:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78564 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 04:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 04:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 04:22:34 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBR4MWBS011542 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:22:33 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:22:32 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <009d01c3cc2e$4e233d00$827dfea9@home1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} (AM Stereo) Christmas music?1210 WPHT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Scott Todd wrote: > No- they're way to the south of the other broadcasters, like 20-30 miles, > and that makes quite a difference where the skip zone falls. Their > engineer is quite proud of the AMS. And I'm so proud of our Magic 693 which again broadcast "Carols by Candlelight" live from the Myer Music Bowl in AM stereo. The Halleluiah Chorus is the highlight of this annual Aussie event. It used to be considered a bit daggy - but the organisers have persisted with it and it's really become the time for the crowd to get involved. They jump to their feet and vigorously wave their candles up and down in time with all the different parts. This is AM stereo at its best! Ian Melbourne Victoria "the Place to Be" that's our new state slogan :( (a bit empty I would have thought) I liked "the Garden State" From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 20:23:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50730 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 04:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 04:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 04:23:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20031227042304.39565.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.229] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 20:23:04 PST Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 20:23:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003f01c3cc03$8b70cea0$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.46 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff's transmitters are Great! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Atten Chris Can see your A.L on ebay and the text says AC optional 10 dollars.Are the "current ones" like that can add the power supply or are they a different design? BTW they are great! Michael ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 21:36:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53764 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 05:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 05:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 05:36:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20031227053612.24213.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:36:12 PST Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:36:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.70 From: "John P." Subject: Christmas Night - only down South, nothing in the NorthEast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Neal Newman wrote: " I guess no one noticed the Christmas music thats been playing on WTTM..." Neal, band conditions were so bad in the Great Lakes to the East and North that I couldn't hear 500 Watt CKWW 65 miles away at night (only daytime), and I couldn't hear 1680 past the CNN crap bleeding into WTTM :( Strangely, I had good signals straight due South only (WSB, WWL, WSM, WSAI)! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From amstereo@optushome.com.au Sat Dec 27 04:35:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15971 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 12:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 12:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 12:35:06 -0000 Received: from A2200 (c210-49-74-241.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.74.241]) by mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBRCZ4V19185 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:35:05 +1100 Message-ID: <002a01c3cc75$ebf863b0$2302a8c0@A2200> To: References: <1072520325.950.1553.m12@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:35:33 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 211.29.132.101 From: "amstereo - matt2" Subject: Re: Chris Cuff's transmitters are Great! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 I power my AL off've a regulator unit that sits on the back plane of my PC (it has selectable voltages / polarities). using this way, I get a smooth and quiet 9volts of pure DC power with full AC filtering by the PC's power supply, i get a direct connection to electrical earth because the AL ground is continuous, I also use the PC as my audio source using software from www.otszone.com which supplies its own processing. overall, its my best way. I can also do the AC coupling trick, but i get a 50hz tone/hum in the left channel, so i don't really bother with that. but overall it works great. From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Dec 27 06:12:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50773 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 14:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 14:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 14:12:47 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.230]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:18:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c3cc83$4b7a6380$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <1072520325.950.1553.m12@yahoogroups.com> <002a01c3cc75$ebf863b0$2302a8c0@A2200> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:11:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff's transmitters are Great! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 When someone requests AC operation now, I install a 7809 regulator on the board, with a filter. A plain wall wart is not regulated well enough, and is a source of noise. The 7809 does a great job of killing the hum. I don't automatically include the AC adapter, as the cost to build these is too much to just throw it in. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/27/03 7:36:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 amstereo@optushome.com.au writes: > using this way, I get a smooth and quiet 9volts of pure DC power with ful= l > AC filtering by the PC's power supply, i get a direct connection to > electrical earth because the AL ground is continuous, I also use the PC a= s > my audio source using software from www.otszone.com which supplies its ow= n > processing. >=20 What program did you download from there? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur Radio----------------------------= - ------------- =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Dec 27 11:52:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34893 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 19:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 19:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.118) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 19:50:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:50:05 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:50:05 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:50:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2003 19:50:05.0891 (UTC) FILETIME=[A01B8930:01C3CCB2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.118 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Christmas in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Tony, I was up in greater Ridge Manor and I did bother to check (actually it wasn't a bother!) to check for pilot lights. WFLA/WFLF 540 didn't have a pilot light on either Christmas Eve,Christmas Day or on the 26th. It's one of the stronger a.m. signals there, with a strong groundwave day and night, so I would have had a pilot, if they had bothered. I also checked from a.m. stereo WPTF 680 out of Raleigh, no pilot there either. The only pilot I got across the band was an intermittent pilot from WJR - 760 out of Detroit. I did get excited when I got a pilot on 640, WVLG out of The Villages, but it turned out to be falsing. I was not able to check former a.m. stereo 860 WGUL,as they do not come in at Ridge Manor, instead I was getting a French language station out of Quebec at night. donn back in st petersburg (totally a.m. stereo free) _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger — learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Dec 27 12:18:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87906 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 20:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 20:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 20:18:30 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.83.2203d2a (4410) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:18:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <83.2203d2a.2d1f4308@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:18:16 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.4 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/27/03 2:54:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 florida_amstereo@hotmail.com writes: > I also checked from a.m. stereo WPTF 680 out of Raleigh, no pilot there=20 > either. >=20 > The only pilot I got across the band was an intermittent pilot from WJR -= =20 > 760 out of Detroit. >=20 You can just as well take WPTF 680-AM Raleigh NC off of any list of AM Ster= eo=20 stations as they have not been in stereo or have transmitted a pilot in=20 years. WJR was fairly strong with moderate fading here over the holidays as they=20 usually are. In one of my earlier e-mails..on Christmas Eve,the station in the 800's tha= t=20 was noisy and trying to come in stereo turned out to be WLS-890. Sadly enou= gh=20 890 has become increasingly crowded over the years and now sounds like a ve= ry=20 crowded regional channel.I remember about 15 to 20 years ago being able to= =20 listen to WLS in the clear and on a clock radio. Cant do that today. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Dec 27 12:38:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33476 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 20:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 20:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 20:38:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2003 20:38:28 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6173 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 20:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 20:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 20:04:24 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.18c.2416cbb9 (4246) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:03:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <18c.2416cbb9.2d1f3fa2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:03:46 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.35 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Kenwood VR Series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 27 Dec 2003 20:38:27 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 A few days before Christmas, I checked out the receivers currently being sold at Best Buy. Two of Kenwood's VR series receivers, the VR-705 and the much more expensive VR-7070, were available. I'm almost sure that both models have accomodations for AM Stereo conversion. The VR-705 was priced at $170; the VR-7070 close to $500. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Dec 27 12:42:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51620 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 20:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 20:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.109) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 20:33:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:33:46 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:33:46 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:33:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2003 20:33:46.0572 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA27B8C0:01C3CCB8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.109 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Hi Bob, Yes, thanks to you (you confirmed for me about two years ago that WPTF was no longer stereo); I knew WPTF was no longer stereo, I was just hoping that for Christmas eve or Christmas day, they might have botherd to turn it on for old times sake, same with WSM out of Nashville, I also checked to see if they might have turned the pilot back on for the holidays. I did try in vain to get your am stereo 560, but as I could get was WQAM out of Miami on 560. Wish I could have picked up WGAI, your programming you mentioned sounded like it would have nice. Over the a.m. and f.m. band, I seemed to notice less Christmas programming and specials than even three or four years ago. Donn (when I got home I was reminded that Christmas in Florida is different; kids in shorts and t-shirts on their bikes, hibiscus blooming and the stately Royal Palms in the background) _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger — learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 13:03:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9053 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 20:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 20:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 20:55:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2003 20:55:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:55:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c3cc83$4b7a6380$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 801 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.133 Subject: Re: Chris Cuff's transmitters are Great! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > When someone requests AC operation now, I install a 7809 regulator > on the board, with a filter. A plain wall wart is not regulated > well enough, and is a source of noise. The 7809 does a great job of > killing the hum. I powered my Alfredo Lite with a DC power supply from an old Tandy external hard drive. I put an 8-volt regulator on its 12V DC output and used a diode between its center pin and ground to raise its output to about 8.73V. It took at least 10,000 uF of capacitor filtering to completely remove the hum from my signal. One thing to avoid are switching-type DC power supplies, like what computers use. I have the power supply out of an old Apple ][ and it's a handy source of +12V, -12V, +5V, and -5V DC, but the RF hash renders it useless for AM or shortwave radio. From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Dec 27 13:08:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55250 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 21:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 21:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 21:08:07 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.d.1f26ba1a (4410) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:08:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:08:00 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.104 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM was: WICC at Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/26/03 10:04:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 possumhunter@netzero.net writes: > Neal Newman wrote: > >I guess no one noticed the Christmas music thats been playing on WTTM... >=20 > I am spending the Christmas weekend 29 miles from the transmitter of (Pow= er > Cheating) 1680 WLAA Winter Garden, FL. I couldnt hear WTTM on a bet here. >=20 > Kevin >=20 WLAA...is that the station that is owned by the state DOT or something like= =20 that? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Dec 27 13:34:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35886 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 21:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 21:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 21:34:06 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.150]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:39:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c3ccc0$f22c9120$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <18c.2416cbb9.2d1f3fa2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:32:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kenwood VR Series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Watch out for these- everything after the VR-4*** series uses an integrated tuner module- a small can with all components inside. They "can" be converted to stereo, with no indication available, other than an added LED. The only Kenwoods that can be converted and still have the "place on the board" for the am stereo components are the VR4 series on back. (1999 and earlier) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 14:37:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45995 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 22:37:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 22:37:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 22:37:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2003 22:36:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:36:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 932 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: WLAA/1680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > WLAA...is that the station that is owned by the state DOT or > something like > that? Close....When it was WTIR, it was under an LMA to TiRN (Travelers Information Radio Network), which is a private/public venture that yes, involves the Florida DOT....THE TiRN (and WTIR calls) have moved to Cocoa Beach's 1300 AM (formerly WXXU and before that WRKT), and allegedly there is a plan to make this Cocoa signal (somehow) reach the Orlando area...There are even signs in Orlando that say "Travelers info, tune to 1300 AM", that provide some comic relief (doubly funny since TiRN is not on all the time on 1300, and the time I tuned 1300 on when I was passing by there what I could make underneath the static was a Spanish radio show that didn't seem to be saying anything about tourism). WLAA/1680 is now Spanish, and, as is the case with many EB'ers, has never bothered to as much as send out a pilot tone. --tony s. From stodd@vippn.com Sat Dec 27 15:38:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79075 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 23:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 23:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 23:38:26 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-164-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.164]) by mail.vippn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A4D014E097 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:38:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006101c3ccd2$e1ae4980$827dfea9@home1> To: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:32:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: resistor changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Cuff made some resistor changes on the Alfredo Lite, but I can't for the life of me remember where the info was filed. Anyone know? Gotta make the changes on mine- can't get it to modulate much with my new portable CD player. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Sat Dec 27 16:10:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33260 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 00:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 00:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 00:10:26 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.50]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:10:26 -0700 To: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:12:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <002a01c3cc75$ebf863b0$2302a8c0@A2200> Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff's transmitters are Great! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ots is really good software. I use it too. As a matter of fact, I think you're the one that turned me on to it, Matt. Love it. That's my audio source for my part 15 as well. I'm powering my AL with a wall-wart that I bought at Wal-mart. Believe it or not, it's pretty clean. There is some hum in the signal but it's in the signal...not in the AL itself. I took the wall wart off of it and put a 9V battery on it, and still the hum is there. I think it has to do with power lines/phone lines/cable and so forth up on the pole right outside the window. I've never been able to get a totally clean signal in or out of this building. Still sounds pretty darn good, though. Bob....otsjuke DJ is the one I have. I paid the 50 bucks to get the full "dj" version. Apparantly the name has changed from "otsjuke dj" to "otsdj" now. Work beautifully as far as mixing things together tightly. Sometimes it's a little TOO tight....as in songs that have a fade-up beginning. For those cases, you can actually go in and edit the begin and end points manually instead of letting OTS figure it out automatically. Apparantly for the full full version, they include a logging and scheduling module that can do spots and traffic and stuff so that it could be used at a radio station. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: amstereo - matt2 [mailto:amstereo@optushome.com.au] Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 5:36 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff's transmitters are Great! I power my AL off've a regulator unit that sits on the back plane of my PC (it has selectable voltages / polarities). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Dec 27 16:11:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89159 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 00:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 00:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 00:11:46 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.194.232826ab (3964) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:11:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <194.232826ab.2d1f79b9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:11:37 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.6 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLAA/1680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/27/03 5:37:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 bossmsx2@yahoo.com writes: > WLAA/1680 is now Spanish, and, as is the case with many EB'ers, has=20 > never bothered to as much as send out a pilot tone. >=20 > --tony s. >=20 Ahhhh ok....gee I'm a little behind the Florida broadcasting times it=20 seems...lol. One thing for sure is that things happen quickly and frequentl= y in this=20 biz. It would be interesting to know what sort of operations and remote control= =20 system [if any] they have. It would explain alot when it comes to their=20 night-time operation...hehehe. It would also be interesting to know what was put on the application when t= he=20 frequency was applied for.Like I wonder if the stereo preference was=20 indicated? Were there competing applications for that frequency? There is this little rule that the US FCC has..... Per 73.30 of the FCC R&R, there never was a requirement for expanded band stations to broadcast in AM stereo. However, if two competing licensees were equal in all respects, and one had promised to use stereo and the other did not, preference would be given to the one who did promise to broadcast in stereo. That was the reason the question of whether or not you intended to use stereo was included in the application process. Of course the station has changed hands several times since going on the=20 air...so even if it had promised to use stereo...used it, then the station = sold=20 off to someone else several times...the C-Quam operation could have easliy = been=20 discarded without much worry I would imagine. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Dec 27 17:13:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88017 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 01:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 01:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 01:13:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2003 01:13:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:13:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 536 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: Chris Cuff's transmitters are Great! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Ots is really good software. I have never seen it crash where it was the fault of the program (I have seen harddrives die and computers overloaded with files crash), but set up correctly, I have never seen it die. You can get the segues perfect. We use it at 1290 GLI and it runs 24/7. No problems. I do not recommend any of the audio processing in the unit. Doesn't sound too good. You can get cheap outboard stuff to sound better. From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Dec 27 19:11:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 345 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 03:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 03:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 03:11:16 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBS395JK025298 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:09:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3FEE4848.1050805@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:04:40 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM was: WICC at Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit YEP WLAA is the Old WTIR Traffic Information radio that tried to cover the Entire state. they used to slam me Up here... since they Got a visit from the local field Office I have not heard a peep from them up north here... Funny how a few weeks later it changed Format and Calls.... >>Cheating) 1680 WLAA Winter Garden, FL. I couldnt hear WTTM on a bet here. >> >>Kevin >> >> >> > >WLAA...is that the station that is owned by the state DOT or something like >that? > >Bob Carter >Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division >WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 >Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >--------------------------------- >Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering >services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. >e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >--------------------------- > >------------------------KC4QLP Amateur >Radio------------------------------------------ > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.qsl.net/kc4qlp >Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) >_______________________________________________________ > >* List owner: >Group name: Echolink-Open-List >Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List >Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 20:35:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34426 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 04:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 04:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 04:35:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2003 04:35:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 04:35:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3FEE4848.1050805@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 Subject: Re: WTTM was: WICC at Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > is the Old WTIR Traffic Information radio that tried to cover the > Entire state. > they used to slam me Up here... Neal do you know if there are plans to restore Stereo at 1210 or 1700 in Miami once Multicultural takes over from Unica on 1/26?? Both stations were at one point Stereo but have since gone Mono....Would be nice to have something to use my radios with here (and not have to make the occasional trip to Winter Haven just to use them). --tony s./miami From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Dec 27 20:40:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83990 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 04:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 04:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 04:40:04 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.1cd.16b6beee (4418) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:39:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1cd.16b6beee.2d1fb89b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:39:55 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.98 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM was: WICC at Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/27/03 10:12:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 groucho@skyweb.net writes: > YEP WLAA > is the Old WTIR Traffic Information radio that tried to cover the=20 > Entire state. > they used to slam me Up here... since they Got a visit from the local=20 > field Office > I have not heard a peep from them up north here... Funny how a few=20 > weeks later it changed Format and Calls.... >=20 hahaha! Yeah strange world isnt it? I didnt think to listen on the way back from the station tonight.Was tuning= =20 around and listening on 1190.Got a tip that WSDQ in Tenn was on late or run= ning=20 higher than normal power.Supposedly running a bluegrass/country format.Was= =20 hoping to catch them to see if they were stereo,but all I got was WLIB NYC.= .and=20 just a trace of WOWO way in the background Quite unusal conditions tonight on AM Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Dec 28 00:43:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49981 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 08:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 08:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 08:43:48 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.188]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 03:49:31 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c3cd1e$8073ede0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <006101c3ccd2$e1ae4980$827dfea9@home1> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 03:42:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} resistor changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Scott- and all interested- The resistor mods are in the "photos" section of our yahoo groups home page. See the "alflite2" photo. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: {AMSF} resistor changes > Chris Cuff made some resistor changes on the Alfredo Lite, but I can't for the life of me remember where the info was filed. Anyone know? Gotta make the changes on mine- can't get it to modulate much with my new portable CD player. > > Scott Todd From amstereo@optushome.com.au Sun Dec 28 06:22:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1414 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 14:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 14:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail019.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 14:22:22 -0000 Received: from athlon (c210-49-74-241.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.74.241]) by mail019.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBSEMLs07629 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:22:21 +1100 Message-ID: <000b01c3cd4e$0d514940$2302a8c0@athlon> To: References: <1072607061.1021.23477.m12@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:22:40 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 211.29.132.73 From: "amstereo" Subject: Re: Chris Cuff's transmitters are Great! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 surprisingly enough, the power supply in my system is the oem unit supplied with the case (codegen) and it is the most quiet supply i've seen in terms of AM RF Interference. we use them at the shop because they have a 3 yr wty on the supply, and they are stable as with voltages. my aiwa cds805? only get interference from it if i put the radio within 1/2 foot of the rear of the psu. otsdj's audio processing isn't the best for AM because it really needs a de-esser to cope with S-splatter. - i have found that sound solution plug in for winamp to be the best for hard processing as it keeps the level meter (as part of the n-force sound driver) within 2 segments out of 20 where ots is colser to 4. however, i can get ots to process very well aside from this downfall. I just need to get more power out of the AL. i want about 5km of tx distance, 10 if i can get it. i am using 1503 which is obliterated at night by a signal 600+ KM away. i plan on shifting to 1053 when i can get a crystal for it. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 09:20:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51886 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 17:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 17:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 17:20:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2003 17:20:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:20:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 150 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.138.74.195 Subject: Sony SRF-A10 Walkman on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee This one's on eBay Australia... so shipping might not be worth it. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3067234851&category=3281 From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 09:23:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66605 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 17:23:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 17:23:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 17:23:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2003 17:22:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:22:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 413 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.138.74.195 Subject: Correction! -- Sony SRF-A10 Walkman on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee sorry... the auction says it's for Australia residents ONLY. But, who knows, you might be able to exchange an e-mail with the guy before the auction ends and change his mind. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > This one's on eBay Australia... so shipping might not be worth it. > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/ > eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3067234851&category=3281 From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 11:17:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25327 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 19:17:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 19:17:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 19:17:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20031228191711.7276.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.229] by web41203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:17:11 PST Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:17:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.36 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Correction! -- Sony SRF-A10 Walkman on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Most auctions usually say USA only but some will send else where as long as you pay the shipping and ask them first.... This will be a good one for the both the "Matts" or Seagull Ian... Michael --- "Douglas B." wrote: > sorry... the auction says it's for Australia > residents ONLY. > > But, who knows, you might be able to exchange an > e-mail with the guy before the > auction ends and change his mind. > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." > wrote: > > This one's on eBay Australia... so shipping might > not be worth it. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/ > > > eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3067234851&category=3281 > > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 11:26:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50223 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 19:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 19:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 19:26:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20031228192630.46326.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.229] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:26:30 PST Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:26:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c3cd4e$0d514940$2302a8c0@athlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.46 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff's transmitters are Great! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Chris now does 9kHz crystals now like I have a couple(9kHz ones) but not 1053AM.(as we have groundwave 2ZP New Plymouth 250Km away).Our AM Band is fairly full as I am in Auckland city plus the upper west coast is daytime and so is the Bay Of Plenty and Hamilton city. Yes it would be good to get more power out of it but I'd have to get someone else to do that but it gives excellent AMS sound however --- amstereo wrote: > I just need to get more power out of the AL. i want > about 5km of tx > distance, 10 if i can get it. i am using 1503 which > is obliterated at night > by a signal 600+ KM away. i plan on shifting to 1053 > when i can get a > crystal for it. ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 11:30:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2583 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 19:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 19:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 19:30:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2003 19:30:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:30:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c3cd4e$0d514940$2302a8c0@athlon> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 940 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.3 Subject: Re: Chris Cuff's transmitters are Great! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > otsdj's audio processing isn't the best for AM because it really > needs a de-esser to cope with S-splatter. The Alfredo Lite transmitter actually sounds best when you play cassette tapes through it, because pre-recorded cassettes are mastered with audio processing very similar to the kind used for FM radio. And if you play a Dolby-encoded tape with the Dolby NR turned off, that will give you some extra compression of the treble, which will sound better on most radios. CDs sound more crisp and clean, but their uncontrolled treble peaks will cause a "spitting" effect from the Alfredo Lite unless you keep the modulation level quite low. The original "full" AM Stereo transmitter design by Alfredo Torrejon included a tri-band audio limiter to take care of this problem, but that made it too complex for economical mass production, hence the creation of Chris's "Lite" version, without the built-in audio processing. From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Dec 28 13:26:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85108 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 21:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 21:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 21:26:12 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.82.22d2fe6 (3964); Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:26:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <82.22d2fe6.2d20a46f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:26:07 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@topica.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.162 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Discovery of another AM Stereo station..according to webite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was doing some surfing today and came accros this page: [website] http://www.geocities.com/rdurw/am.html [image] http://www.geocities.com/rdurw/AM/wpjl.bmp Also got an email from a friend of mine that was in New Bern NC [140 some=20 miles to the south of WGAI] over the holidays. He tuned in and passed along= these=20 remarks: "I caught the show on my Jeep stock stereo at my parents' house near New Bern.=A0 Great seperation, even at that distance!=A0 Are you still running tubes there?" Seems as if the propagation gods are being kind as I just received another= =20 email from Eastern NJ..another signal report this afternoon. =20 Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Dec 28 13:56:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95558 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 21:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 21:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 21:56:47 -0000 Received: from jimspc (68-76-212-156.ded.ameritech.net [68.76.212.156]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id hBSLukKw041113 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:56:46 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004201c3cd8d$7ca66bb0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:56:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLAA/1680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Close....When it was WTIR, it was under an LMA to TiRN (Travelers > Information Radio Network), which is a private/public venture that > yes, involves the Florida DOT....THE TiRN (and WTIR calls) have moved > to Cocoa Beach's 1300 AM (formerly WXXU and before that WRKT), and > allegedly there is a plan to make this Cocoa signal (somehow) reach > the Orlando area...There are even signs in Orlando that > say "Travelers info, tune to 1300 AM", that provide some comic relief > (doubly funny since TiRN is not on all the time on 1300, and the time > I tuned 1300 on when I was passing by there what I could make > underneath the static was a Spanish radio show that didn't seem to be > saying anything about tourism). It would take a major upgrade to the facilities, on what has historically been a noisy frequency and highly directional signal (my own observation back in the WRKT days). They are 5kw days, 1 kw nights and directional both day and night. Basically, they shoot their RF directly into the Atlantic Ocean. I'm sure the fishies in the deep blue sea appreciate the coverage, but those in Wewahotee (25 miles west of Cocoa) need a good AM receiver with a loop antenna to pick it up very well during the day, and might as well forget about it at night. As or getting an upgrade of their facilities, it looks doubtful. There is another class B on 1300 in Tampa (5kw days/1kw nights DA2) and Marathon (2500 watts DAU). As for 1st adjacents, There's a daytimer in DeLand on 1310kHz, and a class B in Wauchula (5kw days/500 watts nights DA2) On the other side (1290 kHz) there are three stations in Florida: Ocala has a class B (5 kw days/1 kw nights DAN), West Palm Beach has a significant class B (10 kw days/5 kw nights DA2) and there's a daytimer Panama City with 270 watts. In order to get any significant coverage boost, they would have to take Tampa's 1300, DeLand's 1310, Ocala's 1290 all dark and make major modifications to West Palm Beach's 1290. That's just for a decent daytime contour. As for nights, they would still have to protect all other dominant Class B's in the eastern US, plus West Palm Beach. My guess, there will be no major changes in the coverage of Cocoa Beach's 1300. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 14:47:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8798 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 22:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 22:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 22:47:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2003 22:47:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:47:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 312 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.138.74.195 Subject: marantz sr-940 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Just won this... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3066524845&category=50591 So I'm no longer confined to my car for AM Stereo reception! Can anyone send me instructions for widening the reception on the AM side of this unit? Also, is there a particular AM antenna I should consider buying? From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Dec 28 15:12:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29512 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 23:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 23:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 23:12:23 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.201]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:18:07 -0500 Message-ID: <003201c3cd97$d7209b60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:10:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} marantz sr-940 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have one- Mine is the Champagne Gold editon, and I think you will find the bandwidth wide enough as it is. I will say tho', that the decoder in these uses the MC13020, and has been known to be fussy on switching to stereo. It is a separate board, and my MC13028 decoder will plop right in with no mods needed. I have supplied a few folks with these, and have heard good reports back. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas B. To: Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 5:47 PM Subject: {AMSF} marantz sr-940 From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 28 15:29:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63645 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 23:29:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 23:29:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 23:29:18 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031228232918.EJXB27510.fed1mtao02.cox.net@cox.net>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:29:18 -0500 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:29:23 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.243 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Los Angeles 1500 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I heard through a reliable source that 1500 AM in Los Angeles is going to be available again. For years it has been "owned" by someone in San Francisco with a build permit, but it never went anywhere. The frequency was once "Super 15 KBLA" and the original K-ROQ (I think). Went dark years ago. Licensed to Burbank. Anyone want to pool money together ...? Richard From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 16:01:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26160 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 00:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 00:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 00:01:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2003 00:01:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:00:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 600 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.3 Subject: Re: Los Angeles 1500 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I heard through a reliable source that 1500 AM in Los Angeles is > going to be available again. For years it has been "owned" by > someone in San Francisco with a build permit, but it never went > anywhere. The frequency was once "Super 15 KBLA" and the original > K-ROQ (I think). Went dark years ago. Licensed to Burbank. That's 1500 KIEV, licensed to "Culver City, CA", a municipality right next to Los Angeles. In the Fall of 2001, their Construction Permit was modified to 50,000 watts daytime (3 towers) and 4300 watts nighttime (4 towers). KIEV's current FCC status is "CP Off Air". From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 16:10:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47450 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 00:10:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 00:10:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 00:10:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2003 00:10:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:10:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201c3cd97$d7209b60$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 924 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 65.69.141.209 Subject: Re: {AMSF} marantz sr-940 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Thanks for the info, Chris! Looks like it'll be a couple of weeks before I get the Marantz in the mail... once I've given it a test run, I'll know whether that particular unit is fussy or not. If it IS fussy, you'll be hearing from me for sure! peace, Douglas --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I have one- Mine is the Champagne Gold editon, and I think you will find the > bandwidth wide enough as it is. I will say tho', that the decoder in these > uses the MC13020, and has been known to be fussy on switching to stereo. It > is a separate board, and my MC13028 decoder will plop right in with no mods > needed. I have supplied a few folks with these, and have heard good reports > back. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Douglas B. > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 5:47 PM > Subject: {AMSF} marantz sr-940 From michaelj@vcn.com Sun Dec 28 16:14:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93275 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 00:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 00:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 00:14:15 -0000 Received: from michaelj (unverified [209.193.86.82]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:14:15 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c3cda0$b1a703c0$5256c1d1@michaelj> To: References: <003201c3cd97$d7209b60$0101a8c0@pavilion> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:14:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.33 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} marantz sr-940 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got that exact receiver meself! (the black one). I got mine off of EBay as well......I believe at your recommendation, Chris :) I do like the sound of it and I use it as my everyday a/v receiver in my entertainment center. And YES you are absolutely right about the MC13020 being fussy. I have a hard time getting KEVA to pop into stereo and I can see the tower from my house. I know JSG had given me some different suggestions for tweaking the decoder and changing out some componants to try to improve its sensitivity and keep the fussiness under control. I tried a few but didn't have much luck. I'm poorer than poor right now. Getting ready to go bankruptcy...so obviously I don't have the dollars for a newer decoder for it. It'll just have to wait. Anyways...congrats Doug... I am pretty sure you'll like it! It's a nice receiver. Oh, were you lucky enough to get a remote for yours?? Mine didn't come with one and I have yet to find a "universal remote" out there that will control it. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Cuff To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} marantz sr-940 I have one- Mine is the Champagne Gold editon, and I think you will find the bandwidth wide enough as it is. I will say tho', that the decoder in these uses the MC13020, and has been known to be fussy on switching to stereo. It is a separate board, and my MC13028 decoder will plop right in with no mods needed. I have supplied a few folks with these, and have heard good reports back. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 16:18:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1574 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 00:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 00:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 00:18:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2003 00:18:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:18:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001c3cda0$b1a703c0$5256c1d1@michaelj> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 277 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 65.69.141.209 Subject: Re: {AMSF} marantz sr-940 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I don't see the remote mentioned on the auction, so I'm not counting on it. Would've been nice! <> Michael n WYO From dav259@csiro.au Sun Dec 28 17:24:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30450 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 01:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 01:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 01:24:46 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBT1OgBS023644 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:24:44 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:24:42 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Correction! -- Sony SRF-A10 Walkman on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Douglas B. wrote: > sorry... the auction says it's for Australia residents ONLY. > > But, who knows, you might be able to exchange an e-mail with the guy > before the auction ends and change his mind. Thanks Doug This has appeared at an opportune time for me as my current SRF-42 died yesterday. It was one of those that Kit found during Radio Shack's sellout (at US$19.97 each) about 2 years ago. They were demo models and arrived with batteries installed. (How stupid is that?) I guess I'm lucky getting 22 months pleasure out of it as the tuning indicator died in the first week - but I know where all the stations are so it didn't really matter. I just got out the second one that I bought and it's definitely not new - but sounds reasonable. I just hope it lasts as long as the other one. Hey - has anyone heard from Kit? I haven't seen anything from him since. He was heading out east (Colorado) from Columbia, Ohio as far as I can recall. I hope he hasn't fallen off his horse! (He sent a pic.) Looks as if the top offer for the SRF-A10 is from our Tony from Miami. It would seem he's momentarily moved to Woy Woy. :) Sorry Tony - but I bumped the price up from A$57 to A$76. I don't totally understand how eBay works. I'd been told that you could bid anything - as high as you are prepared to go - and you might still pay less. Then how come I bumped the price up so much? Is there a separate part where you list the figure that you're prepared to go to without bumping up the price? And then there's eBay etiquette. I don't know too much about that either. We Aussies are an uncouth lot. Can anyone explain it in a few words? Anyway I hope you or me get it Tony - and I won't do anything else stupid till I receive advice. Ian Melbourne ... Hey Kiwi Michael - we're expecting 35 degrees (95 F) today and tomorrow. ... and (as Maxwell Smart would say) loving it! You'll probably get it in a couple a days. - Seagull From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Dec 28 18:16:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32661 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 02:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 02:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 02:16:56 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031229021655.IVMY28419.fed1mtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:16:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:17:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1727DDF5-39A5-11D8-AE37-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.242 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Correction! -- Sony SRF-A10 Walkman on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday, December 28, 2003, at 05:24 PM, Ian Davidson wrote: > Sorry Tony - but I bumped the price up from A$57 to A$76.=A0 I don't=20 > totally > understand how eBay works.=A0 I'd been told that you could bid anything=20 > - as > high as you are prepared to go - and you might still pay less.=A0 Then=20 > how > come I bumped the price up so much?=A0 Is there a separate part where you > list the figure that you're prepared to go to without bumping up the > price? > That means the previous bid was also set to go higher. For example, say the current bid is $4. I bid "up to" $15; so until=20 someone else bids, my current bid is $4.50. If you then bid "up to=20 $13.50, my proxy bid still holds and will beat yours at $14. If someone=20 else comes in and bids "up to" $17, then I have been out bid and the=20 current bid shows as $15.50 (the first bid past my high bid). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 18:58:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90690 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 02:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 02:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 02:58:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2003 02:58:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 02:58:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 166 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 65.69.141.209 Subject: Pioneer TX-960A X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee By the way, the Australian eBay site also has a Pioneer tuner available right now... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3068451292&category=3282 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 19:25:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54370 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 03:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 03:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 03:25:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2003 03:25:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 03:25:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 669 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.3 Subject: Re: Pioneer TX-960A X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > By the way, the Australian eBay site also has a Pioneer tuner available right now... > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/ > eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3068451292&category=3282 Note that when posting eBay item addresses, there is no need to include the "&category=" tag, because the only thing eBay needs to find an item is its item number. The category tag will also usually make the link wrap around to two lines, as you can see above. Here is the same item, with the category tag removed, so the link stays on one line: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3068451292 From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 19:40:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74742 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 03:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 03:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 03:40:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2003 03:40:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 03:40:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 780 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Correction! -- Sony SRF-A10 Walkman on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > Anyway I hope you or me get it Tony Yeah, I've been on the hunt for an Australian Sony for a while...Either this or the SRF-A200...Don't have anything Australian yet...It took a while for one to show up and from the look of things, these models don't come up often on eBay Australia, if ever. Interesting, too, from the picture (although it could be an effect of the digital camera) the blue markings/letters appear bluer than those of its American counterpart, the SRF-A1, whose letters are more of an aqua color...At any rate, it would seem that there is _something_ that has to be different between the American/Canadian A1 and the Australian A10, because the service manual for the A1 specifically states that it's only for the American/Canadian version. -ts From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 19:43:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76646 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 03:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 03:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 03:43:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2003 03:43:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 03:43:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 148 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.3 Subject: Sony SRF-A100 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Mint condition -- includes the original manual, carrying strap, and AC adapter.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3068634412 From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Dec 28 21:00:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22950 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 05:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 05:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 05:00:11 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.128.3862f024 (4418) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:00:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <128.3862f024.2d210ed8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:00:08 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.104 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLAA/1680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've noticed that WTTM has been pretty much in the clear tonight ...so eith= er=20 WLAA is doing what they should at sunset or the conditions have been favori= ng=20 the north. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Dec 28 22:03:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45723 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 06:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 06:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 06:03:21 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.45.23119ea (4418) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:03:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <45.23119ea.2d211da5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:03:17 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.103 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Los Angeles 1500 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/28/03 6:32:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 rwagoner@cox.net writes: > I heard through a reliable source that 1500 AM in Los Angeles is going=20 > to be available again. For years it has been "owned" by someone in San=20 > Francisco with a build permit, but it never went anywhere. The=20 > frequency was once "Super 15 KBLA" and the original K-ROQ (I think).=20 > Went dark years ago. Licensed to Burbank. >=20 > Anyone want to pool money together ...? >=20 > Richard >=20 >=20 >That's 1500 KIEV, licensed to "Culver City, CA", a municipality right=20 >next to Los Angeles.=A0 In the Fall of 2001, their Construction Permit=20 >was modified to 50,000 watts daytime (3 towers) and 4300 watts=20 >nighttime (4 towers).=A0 KIEV's current FCC status is "CP Off Air". It would be interesting to see if the CP is up for sale. I dont have any money unforenately...but somehow would like to be involved = in=20 a project like this. Gotta pay the rent,keep the food on the table and bill collectors away,that= s=20 all I need from here. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 22:36:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9489 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 06:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 06:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41207.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 06:36:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20031229063606.77924.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.229] by web41207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:36:06 PST Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:36:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.40 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Correction! -- Sony SRF-A10 Walkman on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Ian You put in a price you are prepared to pay and ebay bids the next dollar up till 100 dollars then in 2.5 increments thereafter.You dont tell us what you are bidding! As for our weather its crap only 13c (53F) this afternoon with horrid incessant rain. Michael --- Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Douglas B. wrote: > > > sorry... the auction says it's for Australia > residents ONLY. > > > > But, who knows, you might be able to exchange an > e-mail with the guy > > before the auction ends and change his mind. > > Thanks Doug > > This has appeared at an opportune time for me as my > current SRF-42 died > yesterday. It was one of those that Kit found > during Radio Shack's > sellout (at US$19.97 each) about 2 years ago. They > were demo models and > arrived with batteries installed. (How stupid is > that?) > > I guess I'm lucky getting 22 months pleasure out of > it as the tuning > indicator died in the first week - but I know where > all the stations are > so it didn't really matter. > > I just got out the second one that I bought and it's > definitely not new - > but sounds reasonable. I just hope it lasts as long > as the other one. > > Hey - has anyone heard from Kit? I haven't seen > anything from him since. > He was heading out east (Colorado) from Columbia, > Ohio as far as I can > recall. I hope he hasn't fallen off his horse! (He > sent a pic.) > > Looks as if the top offer for the SRF-A10 is from > our Tony from Miami. It > would seem he's momentarily moved to Woy Woy. :) > > Sorry Tony - but I bumped the price up from A$57 to > A$76. I don't totally > understand how eBay works. I'd been told that you > could bid anything - as > high as you are prepared to go - and you might still > pay less. Then how > come I bumped the price up so much? Is there a > separate part where you > list the figure that you're prepared to go to > without bumping up the > price? > > And then there's eBay etiquette. I don't know too > much about that either. > We Aussies are an uncouth lot. Can anyone explain > it in a few words? > > Anyway I hope you or me get it Tony - and I won't do > anything else stupid > till I receive advice. > > > Ian > Melbourne > > > ... Hey Kiwi Michael - we're expecting 35 degrees > (95 F) today and > tomorrow. ... and (as Maxwell Smart would say) > loving it! You'll > probably get it in a couple a days. - Seagull > > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dav259@csiro.au Mon Dec 29 00:53:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4063 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 08:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 08:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 08:53:36 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBT8rQBS010265 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:53:34 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:53:26 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <1727DDF5-39A5-11D8-AE37-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Correction! -- Sony SRF-A10 Walkman on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Richard Wagoner wrote: > That means the previous bid was also set to go higher. > > For example, say the current bid is $4. I bid "up to" $15; so until > someone else bids, my current bid is $4.50. If you then bid "up to > $13.50, my proxy bid still holds and will beat yours at $14. If someone > else comes in and bids "up to" $17, then I have been out bid and the > current bid shows as $15.50 (the first bid past my high bid). Thanks Richard So - for example let's say a Spacely Sprocket opens at $30. Tom bids $60. The price goes to $31. then ... Dick bids $40. The price goes to $41. Harry bids $45. The price goes to $46. Davo bids $70. The price goes to $70. (Davo is stupid) Tom bids $100. The price goes to $71. Harry bids $75. The price goes to $101. Dick bites the bullet and bids $125. The price goes to $102. The auction closes. Dick gets it for $102. (willing to pay $125) What a clever Dick! In other words the "current price" is either the highest bid price ... or ... $1 more than the second highest bid. (forgetting about $2.50 increments over $100) Have I got the picture ... ??? From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Dec 29 01:01:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19816 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 09:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 09:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 09:01:52 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031229090150.OAQU14590.fed1mtao07.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 04:01:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:01:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.124 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Correction! -- Sony SRF-A10 Walkman on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You pretty much have it, though your price increases jumped too much=20 twice in your example: On Monday, December 29, 2003, at 12:53 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > > > So - for example let's say a Spacely Sprocket opens at $30. > > Tom bids $60.=A0 The price goes to $31.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 then ... > > Dick bids $40.=A0 The price goes to $41. > > Harry bids $45.=A0 The price goes to $46. > > Davo bids $70.=A0 The price goes to $70.=A0=A0 (Davo is stupid) Price goes to $61; last high bid was $60 (Tom). > > Tom bids $100.=A0 The price goes to $71. > > Harry bids $75.=A0 The price goes to $101. Price goes to $76. Tom's bid goes UP TO $100, but last high competing=20 bid was up to $75 only. > > Dick bites the bullet and bids $125.=A0 The price goes to $102. > > The auction closes.=A0 Dick gets it for $102.=A0 (willing to pay $125) > > What a clever Dick! > > > In other words the "current price" is either the highest bid price ...=20 > or > ... $1 more than the second highest bid.=A0 (forgetting about $2.50 > increments over $100) > > > Have I got the picture ... ??? > > > Yes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 01:09:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82271 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 09:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 09:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 09:09:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20031229090905.9297.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.229] by web41201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:09:05 PST Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:09:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.34 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Correction! -- Sony SRF-A10 Walkman on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus --- Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Richard Wagoner wrote: > So - for example let's say a Spacely Sprocket opens > at $30. > > Tom bids $60. The price goes to $31. then ... > > Dick bids $40. The price goes to $41. > > Harry bids $45. The price goes to $46. > > Davo bids $70. The price goes to $70. (Davo is > stupid)(the computer will show the current price at 61 dollars) > > Tom bids $100. The price goes to $71. > > Harry bids $75. The price goes to $101.(the computer shows 76 dollars) > > Dick bites the bullet and bids $125. The price goes > to $102. > > The auction closes. Dick gets it for $102. > (willing to pay $125) > > What a clever Dick! Michael ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dav259@csiro.au Mon Dec 29 01:12:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39539 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 09:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 09:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 09:12:41 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBT9CeBS011088 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:12:40 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:12:40 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Correction! -- Sony SRF-A10 Walkman on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Richard Wagoner wrote: > You pretty much have it, though your price increases jumped too much > twice in your example: Hmmmmmm Maths wasn't my best subject. You say math - we say maths - let's call the whole thing off. :) From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Dec 29 01:19:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55836 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 09:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 09:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 09:19:52 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031229091950.TRCK8432.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 04:19:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:19:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <277A6CE2-39E0-11D8-AE37-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.125 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Correction! -- Sony SRF-A10 Walkman on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I teach math ... that means I don't need to actually do math. On Monday, December 29, 2003, at 01:12 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > > > Hmmmmmm=A0=A0=A0 Maths wasn't my best subject. > > > You say math - we say maths - let's call the whole thing off.=A0=A0 :) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Mon Dec 29 01:25:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69363 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 09:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 09:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 09:25:27 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBT9PPBS011607 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:25:26 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:25:25 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <277A6CE2-39E0-11D8-AE37-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Correction! -- Sony SRF-A10 Walkman on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I teach math ... that means I don't need to actually do math. I'm glad you don't teach English Dick. When I went to school (when Noah was a boy) mathematics was plural. Just jokin' :) From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Dec 29 06:49:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89280 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 14:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 14:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 14:48:59 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 07:48:59 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01c3ce1a$e3f1c4d0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 07:48:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Correction! -- Sony SRF-A10 Walkman on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian....Kit and I keep in touch since I'm here out west and he may be headed in this general direction. Last I talked to him he did say he was still planning on possible heading west....but he hadn't yet. He said something about maybe being able to transfer through his current job to Denver. That was about mid-december. He's still in the saddle, hanging in there! Denver's close enough that maybe the two of us can get together and talk radio sometime. On EBay etiquette....touchy subject here on the AM stereo list. Once in a while when I've known it's a member I've contacted them directly and said something like "hey, how bad do you want this thing? I have some extra money and I'd really really like it.......blah blah blah" and just kinda discuss it with them. But then again, I'm a nice guy. I've run into situations where I've had not such a nice response or no response at all from the other member. Some think it's a courtesy thing not to bid against another list member.....which I won't. Others have said here on the list that this is America and it's the American way......every man (or woman or aussie) for him/her self. Don't know if that helps much but I know in the past there's been lots of mixed feelings about it here on the list. I've even tried making it widely known to the list "HEY...I AM BIDDING ON THIS! PLEASE DON'T BID AGAINST ME!!" only to be outbid by another list member. That's why I always voted for the "if you see something on EBay, keep it to yourself...don't spread it around the list" rule.....because if you make light of it, then chances are, those on the list that have more money than us other po folks always have the advantage of slapping a $200 max bid on there that'll automatically outbid the others. Anyways...one man's opinion. I've gotten to where if I see something on EBay that's AM Stereo that I want, I just don't say anything about it....I bid....if I get it, THEN I say something. Kinda like Doug's marantz tuner he just won. Nobody said anything about it. He just quietly snuck in there and snagged it. I think only because he noticed it because of the model number.....the description said NOTHING about AM Stereo. So those who do a daily search for "am stereo" on EBay would not have had that one show up. But nobody posted a message anywhere saying "Alert!! Alert!! AM STEREO Marantz SR941 Tuner on EBAY!!" I guess I didn't explain it in a few words...that's more like a LOT of words...but my words-eye view. I think it would be nice if everyone were courteous, but unfortunately it's a dog-eat-dog world and every man for himself. Michael n Wyoming ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Correction! -- Sony SRF-A10 Walkman on eBay Hey - has anyone heard from Kit? I haven't seen anything from him since. He was heading out east (Colorado) from Columbia, Ohio as far as I can recall. I hope he hasn't fallen off his horse! (He sent a pic.) Looks as if the top offer for the SRF-A10 is from our Tony from Miami. It would seem he's momentarily moved to Woy Woy. :) Sorry Tony - but I bumped the price up from A$57 to A$76. I don't totally understand how eBay works. I'd been told that you could bid anything - as high as you are prepared to go - and you might still pay less. Then how come I bumped the price up so much? Is there a separate part where you list the figure that you're prepared to go to without bumping up the price? And then there's eBay etiquette. I don't know too much about that either. We Aussies are an uncouth lot. Can anyone explain it in a few words? Anyway I hope you or me get it Tony - and I won't do anything else stupid till I receive advice. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougharding@mindspring.com Mon Dec 29 08:01:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64783 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 16:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 16:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 16:01:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2003 16:01:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:01:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1189 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.66.41 Subject: Re: marantz sr-940 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I purchased the SR 440 back in the 80s new which is the little brother of the 940. I had the store install the marantz am stereo board. The tech at the local store told me for an additional amount he could wideband the unit. I paid him to make the modification because I was not happy with the AM sound. I really do not know what he did but when he was finished it sounded like FM stereo on AM! He told me it is now flat 50-15,000 on the AM. I think it sounds as good as my Carver TX-11b. I also have never had a problem with it locking on AM stereo stations. He may have adjusted that too. It has no problem with local stations but is not very good at DXing. This may have somthing to do with his wideband modification. I love the receiver so much I am still using it in my den. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > Just won this... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3066524845&category=50591 > > So I'm no longer confined to my car for AM Stereo reception! > > Can anyone send me instructions for widening the reception on the AM side of this > unit? Also, is there a particular AM antenna I should consider buying? From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Dec 29 08:15:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86035 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 16:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 16:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 16:15:38 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:15:38 -0700 Message-ID: <004701c3ce26$ff74a720$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:15:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: marantz sr-940 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would have to agree with you Doug....I'd like my SR941's bandwidth to be a lot wider too. Don't get me wrong, it's allright. It really is. But it could be wider and sound a lot brighter. It's inside my entertainment center anyway and I don't expect much DX out of it because of all the interference (satellite receiver, VCR, DVD player, etc.). I'd rather have it nice and wide so I could pick up my station at home. It'd be nice to hear KEVA nice and clear with fm-like quality like I hear it here in the studio. I've tried the little capacitor trick on it......where you take and place a small disc capacitor across the ceramic filter and it opens up the bandwidth. There are several ceramic filters on the receiver's motherboard.....and I tried placing the cap across every filter in the tuning section one at a time. Who know.....maybe all those filters need caps across 'em. Alas, it didn't help and nothing opened up the bandwidth :( It would be really interesting to know how to do this. Maybe we ought to see if we can find a service manual for it.....that'd show schematics and we could figure it out. Some of the flakiness of my decoder might also have to do with the kind of AM antenna I'm using. What I have is a little square loop antenna that came with a Pioneer receiver I used to have. It's not great. Not great at all as a matter of fact....I can't even get it to null out a high-pitch squeal of interference that I get. And that's while listening to KEVA......about 2 or 3 miles from the transmitter. I can see the tower from my house. So maybe that antenna isn't the best and that's why I get the flakiness with the decoder and the squealing interference. Any ideas what I should use instead? Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: douglasharding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 9:01 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: marantz sr-940 I purchased the SR 440 back in the 80s new which is the little brother of the 940. I had the store install the marantz am stereo board. The tech at the local store told me for an additional amount he could wideband the unit. I paid him to make the modification because I was not happy with the AM sound. I really do not know what he did but when he was finished it sounded like FM stereo on AM! He told me it is now flat 50-15,000 on the AM. I think it sounds as good as my Carver TX-11b. I also have never had a problem with it locking on AM stereo stations. He may have adjusted that too. It has no problem with local stations but is not very good at DXing. This may have somthing to do with his wideband modification. I love the receiver so much I am still using it in my den. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougharding@mindspring.com Mon Dec 29 09:31:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92351 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 17:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 17:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 17:31:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2003 17:31:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:31:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004701c3ce26$ff74a720$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.79.84 Subject: {AMSF} Re: marantz sr-940 opening up the bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I really wish I knew what the tech did to mine. I have never looked inside of it. Of course without a service manual to compare with and not having seen it before I really would not know what changes he made. At the time they were a marantz authorized service center so he had access to all the information. As with most mom and pop stereo stores they bit the dust around 1990. For an antenna I am using a radio shack tuneable loop that they discontinued last year. Terk makes a AM1000 antenna which is probably as good. Without the antenna connected my marantz will receive nothing. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > I would have to agree with you Doug....I'd like my SR941's bandwidth to be a lot wider too. Don't get me wrong, it's allright. It really is. But it could be wider and sound a lot brighter. It's inside my entertainment center anyway and I don't expect much DX out of it because of all the interference (satellite receiver, VCR, DVD player, etc.). I'd rather have it nice and wide so I could pick up my station at home. It'd be nice to hear KEVA nice and clear with fm-like quality like I hear it here in the studio. I've tried the little capacitor trick on it......where you take and place a small disc capacitor across the ceramic filter and it opens up the bandwidth. There are several ceramic filters on the receiver's motherboard.....and I tried placing the cap across every filter in the tuning section one at a time. Who know.....maybe all those filters need caps across 'em. Alas, it didn't help and nothing opened up the bandwidth :( It would be really interesting to know how to do this. Maybe we ought to see if we can find a service manual for it.....that'd show schematics and we could figure it out. > > Some of the flakiness of my decoder might also have to do with the kind of AM antenna I'm using. What I have is a little square loop antenna that came with a Pioneer receiver I used to have. It's not great. Not great at all as a matter of fact....I can't even get it to null out a high-pitch squeal of interference that I get. And that's while listening to KEVA......about 2 or 3 miles from the transmitter. I can see the tower from my house. So maybe that antenna isn't the best and that's why I get the flakiness with the decoder and the squealing interference. Any ideas what I should use instead? > > Michael n WYO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: douglasharding > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 9:01 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: marantz sr-940 > > > I purchased the SR 440 back in the 80s new which is the little brother > of the 940. I had the store install the marantz am stereo board. The > tech at the local store told me for an additional amount he could > wideband the unit. I paid him to make the modification because I was > not happy with the AM sound. I really do not know what he did but when > he was finished it sounded like FM stereo on AM! He told me it is now > flat 50-15,000 on the AM. I think it sounds as good as my Carver > TX-11b. I also have never had a problem with it locking on AM stereo > stations. He may have adjusted that too. It has no problem with local > stations but is not very good at DXing. This may have somthing to do > with his wideband modification. I love the receiver so much I am still > using it in my den. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Dec 29 09:44:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35299 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 17:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 17:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 17:44:18 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.55] (d23-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.55]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id hBTHiHn23662 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:44:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:43:55 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1072688019.2758.4068.m1@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1015 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Hey - has anyone heard from Kit? I haven't seen anything from him since. > He was heading out east (Colorado) from Columbia, Ohio as far as I can > recall. I hope he hasn't fallen off his horse! (He sent a pic.) Yes, he's doing fine and moving to Denver soon. Kevin From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Dec 29 14:07:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: AMstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31821 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 22:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 22:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 22:07:37 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031229220738.CPES3905.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:07:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:07:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: AMstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <69870A42-3A4B-11D8-9167-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.241 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: From my column X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Full text at http://members.cox.net/rwagoner From Radio AM to FM to be run 12/2/04 in the Torrance (CA) Daily Breeze. May be edited or dropped, depending on the mood of the editor and space availability. Carrying the Torch Stereo on AM may be relatively unheard of these days, in spite of a push a few years ago by the National Association of Broadcasters who ran a series of ads touting radios meeting the AMax reception standards. Even so, there are thousands of AM stereo radios in the hands of consumers, many of which are factory-installed car stereos. And a handful of Los Angeles-area AM stations still broadcast in stereo: KBRT (740), KABC (790), KRLA (870), KNX (at least it they launches "HD Radio"), KDIS (1110) and KFOX (1650). You may notice that only one of those listed is music: KDIS. And you may wonder why a talk station would bother. Well, talk stations do indeed sound better in stereo when you listen on a good AM stereo receiver. And unlike FM stereo, stereo on AM does not negatively affect coverage area. So the big question is: why isn't KLAC (570) or K-SURF (540 and 1260) in stereo? Both run formats that would benefit from stereo. In KLAC's case, they have the engineering expertise to run fabulous AM stereo, due to their connection with KFI. For some reason, owner Clear Channel seems to have a no-stereo-on-AM policy. Too bad; KFI used to sound wonderful in stereo ... as did KLAC before Clear Channel turned the stereo off. As to K-SURF, I have no clue: 1260 was in stereo at one time. There are many, including me, who believe that analog AM stereo, when done right, sounds better than digital, which in current form sounds harsh and causes interference to neighboring stations. Maybe digital will get better, but most engineers I talk with don't believe so. If only the FCC mandated minimum receiver standards ... /// From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Dec 29 14:08:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22900 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 22:08:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 22:08:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rizzo.jerky.net) (204.57.55.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 22:08:39 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by rizzo.jerky.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4454C30DDF for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4A31800B7 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031229113356.00aba6d0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:34:19 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <277A6CE2-39E0-11D8-AE37-0005021D3C76@cox.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.99 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Correction! -- Sony SRF-A10 Walkman on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My math is screwed! My DX is better.... LOL At 01:19 AM 12/29/2003 -0800, you wrote: >I teach math ... that means I don't need to actually do math. > > >On Monday, December 29, 2003, at 01:12 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > >> >> >> Hmmmmmm Maths wasn't my best subject. >> >> >> You say math - we say maths - let's call the whole thing off. :) >> > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 15:50:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51543 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 23:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 23:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 23:50:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2003 23:50:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:50:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <69870A42-3A4B-11D8-9167-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 390 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.3 Subject: Re: From my column X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > KNX (at least it they launches "HD Radio"), Looks like a good editorial, but hopefully your slight grammar mix-up will be corrected before it's printed... I believe you meant to say "KNX (at least until they launch 'HD Radio')". Also, L.A. is actually lucky to have that many stations broadcasting in AM Stereo... most other major U.S. cities only have a few, or even none at all. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 16:00:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78123 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 00:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 00:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 00:00:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2003 00:00:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:00:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 884 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.3 Subject: Stereo talk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I've noticed that my local AM Stereo news/talk station, 1450 WCTC, has begun using a stereo effect when callers are on the air... the talk show host's voice remains in the center of the stereo image, but the caller's voice is panned towards the right channel. This adds a sense of "space" between the host and caller, which is quite unique to hear. I haven't heard what they do when there are two callers on the air at the same time, though -- perhaps they pan the second caller towards the left channel, to complete the stereo image of the group. At only 1000 watts on a "graveyard" channel, 1450 WCTC may have a small signal, but they definitely have a big Stereo sound on the air! Other AM Stereo stations upon which I have heard this kind of stereo- separated voice programming on include 950 WPEN (Philadelphia), 1090 WILD (Boston), and 1680 WTTM (Princeton, NJ). From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 16:33:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29862 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 00:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 00:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 00:33:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2003 00:33:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:33:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <69870A42-3A4B-11D8-9167-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 568 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.102 Subject: Re: From my column X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > Too bad; KFI used to sound > wonderful in stereo ... as did KLAC before Clear Channel turned the > stereo off. Maybe I'm being nitpicky, but KLAC and KFI dropped Stereo when they were under the AMFM/Chancellor umbrella, which was later absorbed by Clear Channel...At any rate, I tend to be a little kinder towards Clear Channel nowadays, because I think that since Randy Michaels got fired, they seem to be turning friendlier towards AM Stereo...Remember, Bob Stroupe at CC Houston said he was considering turning his exciter back on at 790 =). --Tony S. From mark_608@hotmail.com Mon Dec 29 16:58:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14138 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 00:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 00:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.31) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 00:58:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:45:09 -0800 Received: from 68.43.171.59 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:07:58 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:07:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2003 00:45:09.0368 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D073F80:01C3CE6E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.17.31 From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [68.43.171.59] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philips AZ1305 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Chris, I would like to convert a Philips AZ1305 boombox...I have run into a problem. The factory service center does not want to sell me a service manual because I am not an authorized service center. Do you by chance have access to one of these that you could make a scan from? I know you have mentioned converting Philips/Magnavox stuff in the past.. Thanks! Mark _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Dec 29 17:51:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43947 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 01:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 01:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 01:51:17 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031230015114.UVHD14590.fed1mtao07.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:51:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:51:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.124 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: From my column X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What was I thinking? Yes, they should catch it ... or call me. Sheesh! On Monday, December 29, 2003, at 03:50 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > KNX (at least it they launches "HD Radio"), > > Looks like a good editorial, but hopefully your slight grammar mix-up > will be corrected before it's printed... I believe you meant to say > "KNX (at least until they launch 'HD Radio')". > > Also, L.A. is actually lucky to have that many stations broadcasting > in AM Stereo... most other major U.S. cities only have a few, or even > none at all. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Dec 29 17:54:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49435 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 01:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 01:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 01:54:02 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031230015401.SGAG28419.fed1mtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:54:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:54:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <09EEC88C-3A6B-11D8-83B0-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.242 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: From my column X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I may be wrong, but I kind of recall KLAC staying stereo until CC=20 actually bought it. I probably am wrong, though. It all happened within=20 a few days anyway. On Monday, December 29, 2003, at 04:33 PM, Anthony wrote: > > Too bad; KFI used to sound > > wonderful in stereo ... as did KLAC before Clear Channel turned the > > stereo off. > > Maybe I'm being nitpicky, but KLAC and KFI dropped Stereo when they > were under the AMFM/Chancellor umbrella, which was later absorbed by > Clear Channel...At any rate, I tend to be a little kinder towards > Clear Channel nowadays, because I think that since Randy Michaels got > fired, they seem to be turning friendlier towards AM > Stereo...Remember, Bob Stroupe at CC Houston said he was considering > turning his exciter back on at 790 =3D). > > --Tony S. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pd@96wnjo.com Mon Dec 29 19:57:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pd@96wnjo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47131 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 03:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 03:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 03:57:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2003 03:57:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 03:57:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 201 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "wnjo960" X-Originating-IP: 12.4.188.178 Subject: WWKB Has The Pilot Turned Off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159836599 X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 Was listening to the radio when I noticed that the ST light wasnt on when I tuned to KB(I checked the radio, WPHT tripped the ST light on). Even though KB wasnt stereo, it was nice to hear hi-fi KB. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 23:16:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21833 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 07:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 07:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 07:16:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2003 07:16:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 07:16:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 734 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.3 Subject: Re: WWKB Has The Pilot Turned Off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Was listening to the radio when I noticed that the ST light wasnt > on when I tuned to KB(I checked the radio, WPHT tripped the ST > light on). Even though KB wasnt stereo, it was nice to hear hi-fi > KB. They've had it on and off quite sporadically. I know as of this past weekend 1520 WWKB was definitely transmitting an AM Stereo signal, but a few weeks before that, they were in mono. One thought is that they may be turning it off when neighboring 1530 WSAI is testing IBOC at night, because in AM Stereo mode, the "hash" from WSAI is more noticeable and annoying than in mono mode. I know as of early Monday morning WSAI was blasting away with their IBOC signal, so whatever "testing" they're doing isn't over yet. From baansy@yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 23:17:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54447 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 07:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 07:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 07:17:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2003 07:17:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 07:17:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 374 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 203.40.198.216 Subject: 4GR TOOWOOMBA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy I am currently at the goldcoast on my " AM STEREO HOLIDAY" Last night we stayed at a farm house in the Darling Downs area. I tuned into 4GR and found it is still alive and kicking in stereo. I let some others on the tour have a listen and they to were very suprised at how good it sounded. I could not get 1242 4AK TOOWOOMBA to make the stereo indicator to come on. From amstereo@optushome.com.au Tue Dec 30 00:04:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26765 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 08:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 08:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail007.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 08:04:55 -0000 Received: from athlon (c210-49-74-241.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.74.241]) by mail007.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBU84sH20789 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:04:54 +1100 Message-ID: <000501c3ceac$1944c560$1b02a8c0@athlon> To: References: <1072693391.950.51565.m12@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:08:24 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 211.29.132.55 From: "amstereo" Subject: AL transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 How do you tune the crystals frequency (small adjustment to override hetrodyne?) my signal is supposed to be 1503, but its about 1505 which at night gets a het from 1503 at night time,. ta. btw we are supposed to be getting a comunity station on 1053 now, don't know what it is, but its in brisbane, which means i need to choose another frequency ta, matt. From dav259@csiro.au Tue Dec 30 00:21:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74076 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 08:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 08:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 08:21:30 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBU8LPBS004700 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:21:29 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:21:25 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <001e01c3ce1a$e3f1c4d0$5401010a@AM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Correction! -- Sony SRF-A10 Walkman on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, Michael J. Richard wrote: > Ian....Kit and I keep in touch since I'm here out west and he may be > headed in this general direction. Thanks Michael It's nice to know Kit's alive and well and still on that magnificent horse. > On EBay etiquette....touchy subject here on the AM stereo list. Thanks (I think). :) It's a pity I know Tony S's e-mail address. As soon as I saw "boss" I expected it to be the boss from Miami and when I checked it was. I'll try and do the right thing - which isn't easy when you don't really know what you're doing. At least I think now that I know how eBay works. Ian From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 03:53:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3050 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 11:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 11:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 11:53:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2003 11:53:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:53:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 309 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Good looking radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Anybody ever convert a Fisher AM-80? I had never seen one of these before... here's a pic: http://fisherdoctor.com/pictures/fisher/tuners/am80.jpg A center piece if there ever was one! Unfortunately, these are apparently EAGERLY sought by collectors and are probably tough to find for bargain prices. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Dec 30 09:01:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60527 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 17:01:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 17:01:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 17:01:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2003 17:01:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 17:01:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 639 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.19.182 Subject: Re: Stereo talk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I've noticed that my local AM Stereo news/talk station, 1450 WCTC, > has begun using a stereo effect when callers are on the air... the > talk show host's voice remains in the center of the stereo image, but > the caller's voice is panned towards the right channel. This adds a > sense of "space" between the host and caller, I've got a rec of an Oz station doing this from years ago but with 2 presenters. LBC 97.3 in London also tried this very briefly a few months ago with callers and a guest in the studio.. Can you upload a short clip of WCTC ? From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Dec 30 10:32:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25089 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 18:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 18:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 18:32:53 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031230183253.UKRG27510.fed1mtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:32:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:32:51 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <938AFCBE-3AF6-11D8-83B0-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.243 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Good looking radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have one of those, bought years ago at a local store (now closed).=20 Missing the very front panel (the one in front of the dial). I think it=20 cost me $25, and I was going to use it as the companion to my FM-only=20 HK Citation III. Still plan to make a front panel for it and I too was=20 thinking of stereo for it. Richard On Tuesday, December 30, 2003, at 03:53 AM, Douglas B. wrote: > Anybody ever convert a Fisher AM-80?=A0 I had never seen one of these > before...=A0 here's a pic: > > http://fisherdoctor.com/pictures/fisher/tuners/am80.jpg > > A center piece if there ever was one!=A0 Unfortunately, these are > apparently EAGERLY sought by collectors and are probably tough to > find for bargain prices. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 10:40:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13411 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 18:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 18:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 18:40:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2003 18:40:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:40:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 538 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: WSAI feedback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I found this on the Radio-Tech message board.... ============================================================= On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 22:42:18, "PJ" wrote: I welcome all observations regarding Iboc on WSAI to: iboc@wsai.com I have set up that address as a place for you to send your comments on WSAI'S operation of IBOC. You feed back is encouraged. Thank You Paul Jellison Regional Engineering Services Manager Clear Channel Radio Cincinnati, Ohio ============================================================= From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 10:49:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37786 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 18:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 18:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 18:49:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20031230184907.82672.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:49:07 PST Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:49:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSAI feedback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > I found this on the Radio-Tech message board.... > > ============================================================= > > On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 22:42:18, "PJ" > wrote: > > I welcome all observations regarding Iboc on WSAI > to: iboc@wsai.com > I have set up that address as a place for you to > send your comments > on WSAI'S operation of IBOC. You feed back is > encouraged. > > Thank You > Paul Jellison > Regional Engineering Services Manager > Clear Channel Radio > Cincinnati, Ohio You might want to know CC reorganized and Paul Jellison heads up the Denver region now. I do not know who is in charge of the Cincinnati area. I'd expect the email HE has there is no longer valid ( the road runner one)... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From amstereorules@msn.com Tue Dec 30 12:12:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85595 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 20:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 20:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 20:12:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2003 20:11:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:11:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 89 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: WSAI feedback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules Paul Jellison has moved on to Denver, and does not live in Cincinnati anymore. - Mario From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 16:13:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3515 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 00:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 00:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 00:13:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20031231001304.14221.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.149] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 16:13:04 PST Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 16:13:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSAI feedback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- amstereorules wrote: > Paul Jellison has moved on to Denver, and does not > live in Cincinnati > anymore. - Mario There also was / is the rumor that format and calls of WCKY and WSAI would be swapped and his reply was "no comment".....ah....er... So who knows. He did say that financially it was WELL worth it, even though he had free rent at Cincinnati. ( He lived at the WLW site in the nearby house that used to house some of the extra equipment. ) I expect he felt quite a bit of sadness, though it was a big step upward for him. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 17:17:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30316 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 01:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 01:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 01:17:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2003 01:17:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 01:17:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031231001304.14221.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 710 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.3 Subject: Re: WSAI feedback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There also was / is the rumor that format and calls of > WCKY and WSAI would be swapped and his reply was "no > comment".....ah....er... That is the rumor going around. Apparently the "Real Oldies" might be returning to WSAI's original location at 1360 kHz, and WCKY (currently on 1360) will be moving its Sports format up to the big 1530 kHz signal. But I wonder if 1530 WSAI (or whatever they're going to call it) still has a CRL AM Stereo Matrix Processor in their equipment rack... it was definitely there back in November 1999 when Jim Hawkins toured the station (it's the small black unit with multi-color LEDs, underneath the big brown Optimod): http://hawkins.pair.com/wsai/audioproc.jpg From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Dec 30 18:02:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35167 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 02:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 02:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 02:02:31 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.54.1f9e15b0 (4328) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:02:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <54.1f9e15b0.2d238833@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:02:27 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.98 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSAI feedback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://hawkins.pair.com/wsai/audioproc.jpg Nice setup in 1999.I noticed something from the pic...which is kinda fuzzy = in=20 a way.It looks like I see the red LEDS lit in the levels indicators. I woul= d=20 hope that anyone with these units...never allow the red LEDS in the level=20 indicators to flash ever.To let them flash is a sure way of introducing dis= tortion=20 in the audio. Ideally up to the first yellow LED should flash in the level indicators and= =20 thats it. These LED level indicators measure the audio levels going into th= e=20 CRL. So as you can figure out from that,the red LEDs would pretty much indicate= =20 too much audio going into the processor. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 -------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 18:12:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8014 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 02:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 02:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 02:12:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20031231021251.50666.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.101] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:12:51 PST Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:12:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSAI feedback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > That is the rumor going around. Apparently the > "Real Oldies" might > be returning to WSAI's original location at 1360 > kHz, and WCKY > (currently on 1360) will be moving its Sports format > up to the big > 1530 kHz signal. > > But I wonder if 1530 WSAI (or whatever they're going > to call it) > still has a CRL AM Stereo Matrix Processor in their > equipment rack... > it was definitely there back in November 1999 when > Jim Hawkins toured > the station (it's the small black unit with > multi-color LEDs, > underneath the big brown Optimod): > > http://hawkins.pair.com/wsai/audioproc.jpg I asked about stuff, and I don't *think* it's there anymore. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 18:15:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61262 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 02:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 02:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 02:15:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20031231021459.61419.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.101] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:14:59 PST Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:14:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.88 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: UX-1 orphaned X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW WELLLLL.....now I won't have a car to put it in. The 88 Cutlass quit on the way to Newberry Christmas day. The valve timing gears failed. It's the old pushrod 2.5 and it appears there is bent valves. SOOO...I guess I scrap the car. I keep the radio ( it was in the trunk) .... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 19:50:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66275 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 03:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 03:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 03:50:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2003 03:50:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:50:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <54.1f9e15b0.2d238833@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1022 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.3 Subject: Re: WSAI feedback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Nice setup in 1999.I noticed something from the pic...which is > kinda fuzzy in a way.It looks like I see the red LEDS lit in the > levels indicators. I think it's just the bright lighting that make it look like the CRL's indicator lights are on. The Optimod is showing a meter reading, and therefore was in use at the time the photo was taken. I bet WSAI only keeps (or kept?) the CRL box installed to use as a backup in case the Optimod is out for repair or adjustment. In fact, many AM stations that use an Optimod as their main audio processing keep old CRL units on the rack to serve as backup processing. I know 1210 WPHT in Philadelphia does -- back in June, their Optimod was out for service and they used their backup CRL AM Stereo setup (set to 11.5 kHz bandwidth mode, not NRSC compliant but very crisp- sounding!), which I was able to make some recordings of from my Sony SRF-A100: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/usa/pa/wpht-1.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/usa/pa/wpht-2.mp3 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 19:58:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28221 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 03:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 03:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 03:58:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2003 03:58:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:58:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031231021459.61419.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 660 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.3 Subject: Re: UX-1 orphaned X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WELLLLL.....now I won't have a car to put it in. The > 88 Cutlass quit on the way to Newberry Christmas day. > The valve timing gears failed. It's the old pushrod > 2.5 and it appears there is bent valves. SOOO...I > guess I scrap the car. I keep the radio ( it was in > the trunk) .... My condolences about the car, but at least the radio will live on. I still have the AM radio that was taken out of my father's 1965 AMC Rambler when he junked it in 1977! It has a "Bass/Treble" switch which is a thinly disguised bandwidth selector... "Treble" mode provides very crisp, clear AM sound, and "Bass" mode is rich and mellow, like an old console radio. From brian60420@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 21:00:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37969 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 05:00:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 05:00:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60601.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.221) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 05:00:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20031231050049.40692.qmail@web60601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.47.145.107] by web60601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:00:49 PST Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:00:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005001c3c9bf$3c63dd20$c6380b04@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.221 From: brian60420 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Any Stereo AM in Central Florida?????? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, Here! Here! I hear your cries for help! I too am sick and tired of the programming choices here in Chicago. It's the same music everyday. The same morning jokes, the same syndicated shows with the same formats. I have given up on FM and have had my fill with AM news/talk. They just parot the daily AP feeds every hour and call it "talk". I too am a fan of '70s and '80s music, but you won't hear a full cut of music from that era on these stations. They pick and choose what they "think" you should hear and dump the rest. They they fill the hour with 20 minutes of commercials, traffic and announcements that I couldn't care less about. They can take their commercials and traffic reports every 10 minutes and cram it. Here's my solution, satellite radio. They have 100 channels to choose from and most are commercial free or have very few. I can get 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and today's music. I get news, weather and sports when I want them, not when they dictate. Freedom is not "free", but it's a breath of fresh air for the radio listener. I've worn out my AM/FM presets by switching channels every 2 minutes avoiding commercials. My time is precious. Why should I waste my life listening to programming that doesn't siut my tastes or preferences? I can always tune back to AM briefly to get local news. By the way, in Chicago we have 3 AM stereo stations. WGN, WLS are top rated and don't play music. WRDZ is R-Disney and plays music, but satellite radio carries the same shows. brian >John T McDougald wrote: > My best memories of AM was back in the 70's and early 80's. Back when >Disco was finally dying it's deserved death. My father was(and still is) a >die hard old time country music fan. Charlie Pride, Merle Hagard, Hank >Williams, Willie Nelson (before he went Hippy). The radio was almost always >on 540 WGTO out of Cypress Gardens Fla. Some days it would be on 620 WSUN. >I can still remember how every night WGTO wold have the live braodcasts from >the Grand Ole Opry and then sign off for the evening with the National >Anthem. I even miss the good ole days of the Album Rock >stations. I didn't discover FM until around 1980. Now I spend most of my >Radio time listening to AM Talk. 970 WFLA is the main station I listen to >now. Can't hardly stand the music stations anymore. They may as well be >preprogrammed and automated like the trend was back in the early 80's. > >Oh well, can't wait to see how the FCC lets things get 10 or 20 years from .now........sad isn't it... >John T McD. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 21:01:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21832 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 05:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 05:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 05:01:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20031231050124.84107.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.103] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:01:24 PST Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:01:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.88 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 orphaned X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > WELLLLL.....now I won't have a car to put it in. > The > > 88 Cutlass quit on the way to Newberry Christmas > day. > > The valve timing gears failed. It's the old > pushrod > > 2.5 and it appears there is bent valves. SOOO...I > > guess I scrap the car. I keep the radio ( it was > in > > the trunk) .... > > My condolences about the car, but at least the radio > will live on. > I still have the AM radio that was taken out of my > father's 1965 > AMC Rambler when he junked it in 1977! It has a > "Bass/Treble" switch > which is a thinly disguised bandwidth selector... > "Treble" mode > provides very crisp, clear AM sound, and "Bass" mode > is rich and > mellow, like an old console radio. Actually I was JUST getting ready to put the radio in, as the radio in the car is not AM stereo. The mechanic said if I had not been going 65, it wouldn't have made such a mess. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Dec 30 22:31:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30108 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 06:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 06:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 06:31:51 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.127.37e851b1 (16781) for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 01:31:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <127.37e851b1.2d23c750@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 01:31:44 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.163 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 orphaned X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/31/03 12:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Actually I was JUST getting ready to put the radio in, > as the radio in the car is not AM stereo. The mechanic > said if I had not been going 65, it wouldn't have made > such a mess.=20=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 65 eh?...geeesh you were going slow! When I was in Ga this summer if you=20 didnt go at least 75,you got run over! Ouch!...well keep the radio,get a rebuilt engine and keep gettin up the=20 highway...lol Presently on the hunt for a radio that will fit a 98 Nissan Sentra..AM Ster= eo=20 with expanded band coverage. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 23:40:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5893 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 07:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 07:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 07:40:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2003 07:40:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 07:40:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <127.37e851b1.2d23c750@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 909 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.3 Subject: Re: UX-1 orphaned X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Presently on the hunt for a radio that will fit a 98 Nissan > Sentra..AM Stereo with expanded band coverage. Actually, many Nissan radios from the mid-'80s up through 1994 or 1995 had AM Stereo, especially in the more expensive models like the Maxima, and also in *all* Infiniti models during this time period. Most of these radios had an "AM ST" button on the front panel to switch between narrow/mono and wide/stereo modes, just like the famous Delco UX-1. The last few years of these radios did include Expanded Band tuning. These radios came in both single-DIN (cassette only) and double-DIN (cassette/CD combo) size. Retrofitting one into a newer model should be easy, except I believe Nissan changed their radio connectors in 1994 or so, so you might have to rig up some custom wiring. Nissan also uses a special two- pin "diversity" antenna connection, but I don't think that changed. From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Dec 30 23:51:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97482 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 07:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 07:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 07:51:19 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-51-149.rev.o1.com [66.81.51.149]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hBV7pF258652; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:51:15 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c3cf72$5cd52600$95335142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:47:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "JimSmith" Subject: i don't understand X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis(kc8gpd) wrought on www.gsl.net/kc8gpd/ . He wrought on his parts 15 site. "520-1702 am amstereo with a 3m long antenna (total including coax ground and radiator) and 100mw in putto the final stage excluding heater element on a tube final (yep here's some creativity comes in)." AND "520 1702 am am stereo in carrier current mode 50w power limit as well as f/s limits radiating out from utiliy line." So what i don't understad is why is'nt the Afredo Lites up to 50 watts insted of 100mw? Jim s From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 00:26:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88325 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 08:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 08:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 08:26:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2003 08:26:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:26:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c3cf72$5cd52600$95335142@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 341 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.104 Subject: Re: i don't understand X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" wrote: > So what i don't understad is why is'nt the Afredo Lites up to 50 watts > insted of 100mw? Jim s It isn't even at 100mW, but just 10mW. I know of 1W and 5W RF amps for the Alfredo Lite, but none to get up to 100mW (1/10 a watt), much less 50W. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Dec 31 00:32:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28205 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 08:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 08:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 08:32:37 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031231083235.WFVX3322.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:32:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:32:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031231050124.84107.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.244 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 orphaned X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I always thought that the pushrod engines were freewheeling (i.e.=20 pistons wouldn't hit valves if the timing gear slipped). You could always put in a brand-new engine from a crate. GM sells them=20 at really good prices. On Tuesday, December 30, 2003, at 09:01 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW=20 wrote: > > --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > WELLLLL.....now I won't have a car to put it in. > > The > > > 88 Cutlass quit on the way to Newberry Christmas > > day. > > > The valve timing gears failed. It's the old > > pushrod > > > 2.5 and it appears there is bent valves. SOOO...I > > > guess I scrap the car. I keep the radio ( it was > > in > > > the trunk) .... > > > > My condolences about the car, but at least the radio > > will live on. > > I still have the AM radio that was taken out of my > > father's 1965 > > AMC Rambler when he junked it in 1977!=A0 It has a > > "Bass/Treble" switch > > which is a thinly disguised bandwidth selector... > > "Treble" mode > > provides very crisp, clear AM sound, and "Bass" mode > > is rich and > > mellow, like an old console radio. > > > Actually I was JUST getting ready to put the radio in, > as the radio in the car is not AM stereo. The mechanic > said if I had not been going 65, it wouldn't have made > such a mess.=A0 > > Powell > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > powell@pcmessages.com=A0 http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Dec 31 00:42:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91100 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 08:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 08:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 08:42:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2003 08:42:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:42:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 542 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.47.138 Subject: Re: i don't understand X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" > wrote: > > > So what i don't understad is why is'nt the Afredo Lites up to 50 > watts > > insted of 100mw? Jim s > > It isn't even at 100mW, but just 10mW. I know of 1W and 5W RF amps > for the Alfredo Lite, but none to get up to 100mW (1/10 a watt), much > less 50W. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Hi Amy Do you know hoo or can i go through you? I asked kevin he did not know nothing of it. Jim s From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 00:57:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66213 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 08:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 08:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 08:57:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2003 08:57:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:57:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1010 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.3 Subject: Re: i don't understand X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It isn't even at 100mW, but just 10mW. Actually, I believe the FCC's limit is based on an *input* power of 100 mW -- i.e. how much current the final RF output circuit is consuming, whereas Alfredo's measurement was based on RF *output* power. A transmitter with 10% efficiency would consume 100 mW of input power but only produce 10 mW's worth of RF output. Obviously the Alfredo Lite is considerably more efficient than that, but I'm sure if you measured its power according to the way the Part 15 rules uses, the figure would be higher than 10 mW. > I know of 1W and 5W RF amps for the Alfredo Lite, but none to get > up to 100mW (1/10 a watt), much less 50W. It depends on which output transistors you use, and how much voltage you feed them. Better output transistors on the Alfredo Lite might get you 100 mW, and if you split the voltage line and feed them with more than the 9 volts that the rest of the transmitter is limited to, then you can achieve a further increase in RF power. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 00:58:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82470 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 08:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 08:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 08:58:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2003 08:58:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:58:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 750 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.104 Subject: Re: i don't understand X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" > > wrote: > > > > > So what i don't understad is why is'nt the Afredo Lites up to 50 > > watts > > > insted of 100mw? Jim s > > > > It isn't even at 100mW, but just 10mW. I know of 1W and 5W RF amps > > for the Alfredo Lite, but none to get up to 100mW (1/10 a watt), > much > > less 50W. > > Hi Amy Do you know hoo or can i go through you? I asked kevin he did > not know nothing of it. Jim s I answered this back in message 14462: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/message/14462 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From paulmcrane@hotmail.com Wed Dec 31 01:21:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: paulmcrane@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26246 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 09:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 09:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.120) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 09:21:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 01:21:01 -0800 Received: from 68.76.48.145 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:21:01 GMT X-Originating-Email: [paulmcrane@hotmail.com] X-Sender: paulmcrane@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:21:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2003 09:21:01.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[685038F0:01C3CF7F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.15.120 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.76.48.145] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 orphaned X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=165317089 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Bob - I'm assuming the Nissan Sentra has a double-DIN opening as with most Japanese cars. If so, the Ford stereo F87F-18C868-AD has AM stereo and the X-band. This radio was in a 1998 Mercury Mountaineer and expect to spend $200 - $400 (or more) for it at a salvage yard. The stereo also has RDS on FM, CD, and cassette. If you would like more info, let me know and I can provide you with specifics. Paul Crane >From: KC4QLP@aol.com >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 orphaned >Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 01:31:44 EST > >In a message dated 12/31/03 12:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, >w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > > > Actually I was JUST getting ready to put the radio in, > > as the radio in the car is not AM stereo. The mechanic > > said if I had not been going 65, it wouldn't have made > > such a mess. > > > > Powell > > >65 eh?...geeesh you were going slow! When I was in Ga this summer if you >didnt go at least 75,you got run over! >Ouch!...well keep the radio,get a rebuilt engine and keep gettin up the >highway...lol >Presently on the hunt for a radio that will fit a 98 Nissan Sentra..AM >Stereo >with expanded band coverage. > >Bob Carter >Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division >WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 >Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >--------------------------------- >Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with >engineering >services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. >e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >--------------------------- > >------------------------KC4QLP  Amateur >Radio------------------------------------------ >                Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va >                           www.qsl.net/kc4qlp >Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) >_______________________________________________________ > >* List owner: >Group name: Echolink-Open-List >Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List >Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Dec 31 01:36:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95903 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 09:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 09:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 09:36:21 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-47-138.rev.o1.com [66.81.47.138]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id hBV9aGq72864; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 01:36:17 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c3cf81$08424f00$8a2f5142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 01:32:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "JimSmith" Subject: Thank you Amy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Thank you Amy . That is very coo!!!! I would like to make them. But my serket nalage is limited. Jim s From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Dec 31 03:32:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41330 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 11:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 11:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 11:32:19 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 06:37:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c3cf91$a61816f0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 06:31:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 orphaned X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have been able now to successfully convert Theftlock radios (GM) to AM Stereo, as long as they are pre-2000 models. I am working on the post 2000 models, and will also soon have a kit for these, too. I will be able to take on individual retrofit projects after the end of January. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Crane" From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Dec 31 03:35:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28840 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 11:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 11:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 11:35:05 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 06:40:57 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c3cf92$22c2c330$08a8a8c0@Chris1> To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 06:35:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: i don't understand X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have never measured the actual output of these, as I cannot afford the equipment to do this. If anyone knows an accurate, cheap way to do this, let me know. Not sure if it can be calculated using the collector current measurements of the output transistors or not. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 3:57 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: i don't understand > > It isn't even at 100mW, but just 10mW. > From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Dec 31 03:41:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42727 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 11:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 11:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 11:41:04 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 06:46:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c3cf92$f8b915c0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 06:41:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Off topic- Vinyl lovers? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 This is for the vinyl lovers out there- 2 things- I am in need of a remote receiver and hand transmitter for an old ADC Accutrac 4000 programmable turntable ( I know there is one now on ebay- but I don't need a whole 'nother turntable) Second- Ihave a very rare record set- made for radio broadcast. 72 records (12" 33rpm) 144 sides. They are "Rolling Stone Magazine presents the greatest music of all times 1982 Labor day show- 48 continous hours of music, interviews, and tons of good stuff. Condition is mint in the box. Never sold to the public. Anyone intersted, contact me privately. Chris From spfleck@citlink.net Wed Dec 31 04:00:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spfleck@citlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80698 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 12:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 12:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) (66.133.131.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 12:00:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 7623 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 12:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO steve) ([209.63.51.189]) (envelope-sender ) by relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.6) with SMTP for ; 31 Dec 2003 12:00:14 -0000 Message-ID: <005201c3cf95$a6124dc0$01c8a8c0@n2ubp.net> To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 07:00:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.133.131.37 From: "Steve Fleckenstein" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 orphaned X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2988995 X-Yahoo-Profile: n2ubp I always thought that the pushrod engines were freewheeling (i.e. pistons wouldn't hit valves if the timing gear slipped). It isn't a set rule of thumb. Depends on camshaft timing and piston / head clearances. More overhead cam engines have the potential problem but not all overhead cam engines have the problem. From stodd@vippn.com Wed Dec 31 06:10:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37339 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 14:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 14:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 14:10:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2003 14:10:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:10:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c3ceac$1944c560$1b02a8c0@athlon> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1198 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: AL transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereo" wrote: > How do you tune the crystals frequency (small adjustment to override > hetrodyne?) my signal is supposed to be 1503, but its about 1505 which at > night gets a het from 1503 at night time,. There's a small ceramic cap near the crystal- my AL had a 22pf, that you'll have to either remove and replace with a trim-cap or try some other low value caps and tack-solder them onto the pads that cap is soldered to, and when you find the one that gives you the best results, solder it in a more permanent fashion. The cap is just behind the crystal with the input jacks facing you. I was fortunate enough to have been given a junk box that had a circuit board with a couple trimcaps. I used one on my Lite and the other went onto the full version I'm building. I'm going to make it into an exciter by amplifying the L-R component only for feeding a regular transmitter. Scott Todd PS- my posts will be less frequent again. Seems like every year at the end of the year the phone bills fail to arrive and hence don't get paid, so I'm without phone service. I can only post when I have some spare time at work. From stodd@vippn.com Wed Dec 31 06:12:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45438 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 14:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 14:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 14:12:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2003 14:12:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:12:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c3cf91$a61816f0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 471 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 orphaned X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I have been able now to successfully convert Theftlock radios (GM) to AM > Stereo, as long as they are pre-2000 models. I am working on the post 2000 > models, and will also soon have a kit for these, too. That's great news, Chris. If there's some commonality amongst the various models, please write up a conversion article so we won't have to overload you with conversion requests. Scott From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Dec 31 06:31:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76797 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 14:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 14:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 14:31:49 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.158.160.34]) by imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031231143148.PVPH1911.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:31:48 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c3cfaa$d68116c0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <20031231050049.40692.qmail@web60601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:31:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.72 From: "Juan / John Gualda" Subject: OT: Alternative to Cookie Cutter Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: brian60420 John, Here! Here! I hear your cries for help! I too am sick and tired of the programming choices here in Chicago. It's the same music everyday. The same morning jokes, the same syndicated shows with the same formats. I have given up on FM and have had my fill with AM news/talk. They just parot the daily AP feeds every hour and call it "talk". I too am a fan of '70s and '80s music, but you won't hear a full cut of music from that era on these stations. They pick and choose what they "think" you should hear and dump the rest. They they fill the hour with 20 minutes of commercials, traffic and announcements that I couldn't care less about. They can take their commercials and traffic reports every 10 minutes and cram it. Here's my solution, satellite radio. They have 100 channels to choose from and most are commercial free or have very few. I can get 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and today's music. I get news, weather and sports when I want them, not when they dictate. Freedom is not "free", but it's a breath of fresh air for the radio listener. Have you ever tried Internet Radio ? LIve 365 now has some stations (including mine) using mp3Pro files that really do sound close to FM quality. You have to be a VIP listener to get the improved quality but it sounds great. I blew away people at the radio stations I work for when I played them my station. If you have high speed internet you are there, you can receive very high quality internet radio, with thousands of very cool formats to choose from. I never was impressed with Internet Radio because it never sounded decent, until now. Now if you could just receive it in the car .................. www.live365.com/gualdaj/play Juan Gualda WGNX WTTB Fort Pierce, FL USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 11:05:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13273 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 18:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 18:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 18:31:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2003 18:31:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:31:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 265 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: KTNQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I have a report that 1020 KTNQ in Los Angeles began using IBOC about four weeks ago. KTNQ is a Spanish Oldies music station with 50,000 watts full-time, but with a rather restrictive directional pattern that aims most of their power out over the Pacific Ocean. From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Dec 31 12:09:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64953 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 20:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 20:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 20:09:21 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.50]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:09:20 -0700 To: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:10:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: AM Stereo proud! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just was looking for a station I had heard about 10 years ago wondering if they were still AM stereo. Found their website at: www.kaysradio.com KAYS 1400 in Hays, KS Very much still AM Stereo and proud of it! Looks like in smaller towns LOCAL AM full-service radio still exists! Neat station! Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 13:50:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18813 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 21:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 21:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 21:50:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2003 21:50:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 21:50:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 874 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: KTNQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > I have a report that 1020 KTNQ in Los Angeles began using IBOC about > four weeks ago I've heard this as well...What makes this even more ironic is that management at KTNQ very adamantly shut analog AM Stereo off several years ago complaining about C-QUAMs adverse effects to its signal..I have respect for David Gleason, but can't understand how a person can be pro-IBOC but anti-AM Stereo. Now, apparently the STL for KTNQ is Mono...This leads me to an interesting question...KNX's STL is now also Mono, based on the fact that they are now Mono but with pilot...KNX is also supposed to be going IBOC...What is this? 2 Mono IBOC stations?? Is this a sign that Mono IBOC is better than Stereo IBOC?? Are broadcasters somehow sending the message that a Mono IBOC signal is somehow more robust than a Stereo IBOC signal?? Inquiring minds want to know. --tony s. From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Dec 31 14:22:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27815 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 22:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 22:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 22:22:34 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031231222234.EWNQ3322.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 17:22:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:22:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.244 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTNQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No evidence of it now. Wideband or narrow, there is no hash either on=20 carrier or beside it. Sounds full fidelity. I know one of the company=20 engineers; I doubt he'd go for IBOC unless forced. On Wednesday, December 31, 2003, at 10:31 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > I have a report that 1020 KTNQ in Los Angeles began using IBOC about > four weeks ago.=A0 KTNQ is a Spanish Oldies music station with 50,000 > watts full-time, but with a rather restrictive directional pattern > that aims most of their power out over the Pacific Ocean. > > > > KTNQ used to be a daytimer as KGBS, and would sign back on the air when=20 the station they were protecting went off the air for Sunday evening=20 maintenance. Go to reelradio.com and search KGBS for a sample and=20 details. Richard Wagoner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Dec 31 14:49:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74729 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 22:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 22:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 22:49:35 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.51]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 17:55:27 -0500 Message-ID: <003401c3cff0$264d32c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 17:48:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philips AZ1305 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I checked through our company today, and ther is no service data available at all for any of the philips small audio. We are full-line service for them, and it only tells us "service not available- exchange only" So, the only way to do it is to take it apart and see what it has inside for chips. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sundquist From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Dec 31 15:57:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53993 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 23:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 23:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 23:57:21 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.7b.1fda31ed (30960) for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:57:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7b.1fda31ed.2d24bc4e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:57:02 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.163 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KTNQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/31/03 4:51:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 bossmsx2@yahoo.com writes: > Now, apparently the STL for KTNQ is Mono...This leads me to an=20 > interesting question...KNX's STL is now also Mono, based on the fact=20 > that they are now Mono but with pilot...KNX is also supposed to be=20 > going IBOC...What is this? 2 Mono IBOC stations?? Is this a sign that=20 > Mono IBOC is better than Stereo IBOC?? Are broadcasters somehow=20 > sending the message that a Mono IBOC signal is somehow more robust=20 > than a Stereo IBOC signal?? Inquiring minds want to know With digital STL's there isnt much need for two radios at each end=20 [transmitter and studio end] to send out stereo programing. But this IBOC deal brings up some other points. Even if a station was using= =20 an STL.,went digital with that so that more than one audio and even data=20 channels can be used over the STL frequency,the other main point to conside= r is how=20 the studio is wired. Most stations that are mono now and especially the one= s=20 that were never analog stereo,the studios are wired for mono.Control boards= are=20 9 times out of ten of the mono variety.I hardly see many of these stations= =20 going through the trouble to rewire everything for stereo operation on IBOC= . Also the way IBOC works,the digital stream, if I'm not mistaken is more=20 robust at mono than it would be if the station were to try stereo. So given all of that and even if IBOC makes it past 10 years of life...dont= =20 expect to hear many digital AM Stereo stations via IBOC. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Dec 31 16:00:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74421 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 00:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2004 00:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 00:00:16 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.190.244968b9 (30960) for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:00:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <190.244968b9.2d24bd0e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:00:14 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.161 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 orphaned X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/31/03 4:23:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 paulmcrane@hotmail.com writes: > I'm assuming the Nissan Sentra has a double-DIN opening as with most=20 > Japanese cars. If so, the Ford stereo F87F-18C868-AD has AM stereo and t= he=20 > X-band. This radio was in a 1998 Mercury Mountaineer and expect to spend= =20 > $200 - $400 (or more) for it at a salvage yard. The stereo also has RDS = on=20 > FM, CD, and cassette. >=20 Paul,what are the specs on this radio concerning its AM and FM performance? When I'm not listening to my station here,I do like to DX a bit while zippi= ng=20 up the road. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tkienzle22@yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 17:57:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tkienzle22@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30525 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 01:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2004 01:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 01:57:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2004 01:57:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 01:57:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 105 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "tkienzle22" X-Originating-IP: 24.94.179.207 Subject: is this the superadio tapedeck verson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169406459 X-Yahoo-Profile: tkienzle22 is this a superadio? ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3069075067&category=48626 From amstereorules@msn.com Wed Dec 31 18:55:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23899 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 02:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2004 02:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 02:55:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2004 02:54:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 02:54:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1240 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: News From Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules http://www.cqpub.co.jp/term/cquam.htm >The Motorola corporation developed, standard system of the Japanese >AM stereophonic broadcasting. The stereo signal (the L signal and >the R signal) from the harmony signal (L + R) it makes, sort AM >irregularity (amplitude modulation) does the carrier until recently >with this. As for carrier difference signal (L? R) Phase modulating >with crossing irregularity, it has made stereo radio wave. As for >the stereo receiver, AM the harmony signal which has been modulated >with the amplitude demodulator, as for the difference signal being >the demodulator of crossing irregularity, it recovers respectively. >Furthermore, with presence of the pilot signal of 25Hz, it is >possible to change the stereo/monaural automatically. Exclusive use >IC, 3 kinds of MC13020/2/4 are sold from the Motorola corporation. >On the one hand, as for the former monaural receiver, the amplitude >modulation component, namely the harmony signal (only the monaural >signal and equivalence) being not to be able to recover, >compatibility is maintained. Other than the Motorola system, there >was a Harris system, a Magna box system and the Caen system, etc. in >Japan was standardized to the Motorola system From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Dec 31 21:01:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58155 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 05:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2004 05:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 05:01:08 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id A2B4C105BA for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 21:01:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id VAA08991; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 21:01:08 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRTXRZp+9HUMz4CNt54jYR862mbJQIVAIhhTTwlwfeU0l20wp/sMuveEsp7 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 22:01:08 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: billsnyder@webtv.net Message-ID: <7209-3FF3A994-4272@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 25 Dec 2003 05:28:02 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT 20 years have passed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 A communications question for you. Which was WORSE in setting tele- communications policy??? A. Passage of the Telecom Act of 1996 OR B. Break Up of the Bell System (Ma Bell ) on January 1st, 1984 The Telecom Act of 1996 === Has run many talented people out of the broadcasting business, allows the massive take over of numerous stations by Clear Channel and other large owners, like ABC Disney, CBS infinity, etc... Near unlimited concentration of stations in a market to just a handful of big owners, putting the few small operators left in a real squeeze. TOO many AM & FM stations crowded on the dial, leading to severe interference problems on the A.M. dial. Lower ing of broadcast standards, which in many persons opinions, has helped to nearly kill off AM Stereo & Music broadcasting to a large degree. And, How many Talk and sport stations do we really need in a market?? And now we have the IBOC "mess' to deal with.... Digital Radio! VS : "The Bell System" 1875 - 1983 Now on Ma Bell : She "died" an untimely death at an young age of just 108 years, way too early ---- thanks to a greedy government and activist courts, who proceeded to test drop the " Bunker Buster" on Ma Bell. Things have never been quite the same. Western Electric ---- gone!! Phones made in tho good old U.S.A. > not anymore!!! One Policy - One System --- gone!! Prompt service without a lot of finger pointing---- gone!! Low local phone rates --- gone!! Okay, maybe long distance is cheaper, but the Telco seems to be just a big tax and fee collections agency, that also happens to dispense dial tones on occasion. What if the phone goes on the blink??? When Ma Bell ruled the telecom world ONE call and the phone guy would usually fix the problem. whether it was a squirrel eating the phone line wires,, a bad jack, or defective dial phone, it was usually fixed in a hurry. Of, course you could dunk a phone into a fish bowl (like I did in college) LT&T had a real mystery on their hands, especially after I took the phone apart and attempted to "fix" it. One of those old GTE / Automatic Electric beasts that the Independent telco's used --- like LT&T. Yes, Ma Bell couldn't be everywhere, so some towns had brand X phone companies. But, you leased the phone, and they fixed it, without too many questions asked.... Now, A phone is little more than an appliance, to be tossed at the first sign of trouble.... NO one leases phones anymore. YOU get to Own it, and pay to fix it when it breaks. Remember those old "500" rotary and "2500" touchtone sets??, They are near indestructible, IF you are fortunate to still have one, you will find that they rarely break down! Sure, those old WECO phones lack a lot of fancy features, But they work when it counts.... Like during a power failure. I guess a few good things came out of de-regulation 1. Competition for local service in many areas 2. Lower Long Distance rates in many cases 3. Many phone related businesses came into being selling, servicing phones, and providing long distance services to the public. (often hiring EX- Bell personnel) 4. Mobile & Cell phone service, which scarcely existed twenty years ago -- Now we have digital cell phones, picture cell phones, what's next?? 5. AT &T while still around, has plenty of competition for long distance calls from many competitors. 6. Modern telephone switches can do a lot of "magic" like call waiting, call forwarding, caller ID, etc.. that the old electro-mechanical phone system(s) couldn't do due to their old design. TOO Bad "the finest phone system in the World" is a fraction of what it ONCE was. R.I. P. Ma Bell 1875 - 1983 Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From spfleck@citlink.net Wed Dec 31 21:10:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spfleck@citlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1201 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 05:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2004 05:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) (66.133.131.34) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 05:10:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 8849 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 05:10:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBM1LNNTT22HUH) ([170.215.243.37]) (envelope-sender ) by relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.6) with SMTP for ; 1 Jan 2004 05:10:52 -0000 Message-ID: <014601c3d025$9fba4d20$13c8a8c0@IBM1LNNTT22HUH> To: References: <7209-3FF3A994-4272@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 00:10:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.133.131.34 From: "Steven Fleckenstein" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT 20 years have passed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2988995 X-Yahoo-Profile: n2ubp My Dad worked for NY Tel and AT&T from 1956 thru 1989 when he took a buyout. That place sure changed over that time frame. One weekend at the tender age of 14 he took me to one of the sites he worked in, a NYC hospital. I marvelled at the drum stepper switching units, the battery banks, the clatter of the switches From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Jan 01 00:58:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83526 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 08:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2004 08:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 08:58:41 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040101085839.MGGF17405.fed1mtao07.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 03:58:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 00:58:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7209-3FF3A994-4272@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.124 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT 20 years have passed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Telcom Act, no question. There is no benefit to the consumer from it. On the other hand, there was great benefit from breakup of the Bell=20 System. Long distance calls are not just cheaper, they are on the magnitude of=20 1/100 the price they were in the past. I wasn't even allowed to call=20 radio stations when I was growing up because the cost to LA from San=20 pedro -- 23 miles -- was so prohibitive my mom would have killed me.=20 Calls to other states could be as high as $3 to $5 per minute. Now I=20 get unlimited long distance to anywhere in the US for $20 per month=20 flat rate. If I didn't have that plan, it would be 7 cents per minute,=20 amy time. Can't lease phones now? So what? If you buy a good phone you don't have=20 problems. And the lease rates were high enough that you could buy a=20 phone about every 8 months anyway. And you get touch-tone dialing=20 included, instead of having to pay $2.50 extra per month. I did not=20 have touch-tone until the breakup. I have an extension in my detached=20 garage through the use of one of those phones that can have additional=20 handsets -- two lines, by the way -- something that would not exist=20 under previous rules. In the past I would have had to trench the back=20 yard to run a line through buried conduit. Local service for me? $11 per line plus taxes and options. That's way=20 cheaper than before the breakup. Reliability is far above what it was=20 in the past, so they are doing something right. If I ever need service,=20 which has been never, I can still call them. They'll cover everything=20 for about $2 per month if I want. But I installed all my inside wiring;=20 if there is a problem I can now fix it myself faster than I used to=20 dial 611. So breaking up the bell system has benefited me quite well. On the=20 other hand, I cannot find a single radio station playing current music=20 that I can stand to listen to any more ... a casualty of the Telcom=20 Act. By the way, a friend of mine and his brother won WAM -- Walking Around=20 Money from Ten Q back when they were top-40 (about 1977). Both won=20 using a rotary phone! That's dedication. On Wednesday, December 31, 2003, at 08:01 PM, oldphones@webtv.net=20 wrote: > =A0=A0=A0 A communications=A0 question for you.=A0 Which was WORSE=A0 in = setting > tele- communications policy???=A0=A0=A0 > A.=A0 Passage of the Telecom Act of 1996=A0=A0=A0 OR > B.=A0=A0 Break Up of the Bell System (Ma Bell ) on January 1st, 1984=A0= =A0 > > =A0=A0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 01 01:12:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13972 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 09:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2004 09:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 09:12:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2004 09:12:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 09:12:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1025 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.10 Subject: Re: OT 20 years have passed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > And you get touch-tone dialing included, instead of having to pay > $2.50 extra per month. I did not have touch-tone until the breakup. At least with Verizon here in central NJ, you still have to pay extra for Touch-Tone dialing -- I believe an extra $1.00 per month or so. My home has two telephone lines, and neither are subscribed to Touch-Tone dialing, because aside from not having to wait a few extra seconds for the pulse-dialing clicks to finish, there is no benefit to it. Once a call is connected, I can simply switch the phone to Touch-Tone mode and use menu systems, voice mail, etc., with no trouble. I used to have a computer modem that could do "fast" pulse dialing, where the clicks are issued about twice as fast as normal (and it would still be accepted by the phone system), but unfortunately that modem got zapped by lightning and my current one doesn't properly support "fast" pulse dialing. p.s. Happy 2004, everybody! In March we'll be celebrating 22 years of AM Stereo in the USA! From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Jan 01 01:14:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79131 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 09:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2004 09:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 09:14:48 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040101091449.GBFJ3905.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 04:14:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 01:14:46 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.241 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT 20 years have passed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's a funny one. With the new electronic switching, it actually=20 costs MORE to support rotary dialing than touch-tone. Fun thing with rotary is dialing with the hook buttons. There is ONE drawback to the new phones and system: you can't hook an=20 AM antenna to the metal stop tab on the rotary phones any more ... On Thursday, January 1, 2004, at 01:12 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > > And you get touch-tone dialing included, instead of having to pay > > $2.50 extra per month. I did not have touch-tone until the breakup. > > At least with Verizon here in central NJ, you still have to pay extra > for Touch-Tone dialing -- I believe an extra $1.00 per month or so. > > My home has two telephone lines, and neither are subscribed to > Touch-Tone dialing, because aside from not having to wait a few extra > seconds for the pulse-dialing clicks to finish, there is no benefit > to it.=A0 Once a call is connected, I can simply switch the phone to > Touch-Tone mode and use menu systems, voice mail, etc., with no > trouble. > > I used to have a computer modem that could do "fast" pulse dialing, > where the clicks are issued about twice as fast as normal (and it > would still be accepted by the phone system), but unfortunately that > modem got zapped by lightning and my current one doesn't properly > support "fast" pulse dialing. > > p.s. Happy 2004, everybody!=A0 In March we'll be celebrating 22 years > of AM Stereo in the USA! > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Thu Jan 01 01:25:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8653 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 09:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2004 09:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 09:25:05 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AA48821176B for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 09:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4B91800A9 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 09:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040101002723.028cd008@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 00:27:33 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7209-3FF3A994-4272@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.57.55.14 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT 20 years have passed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1996 was the worst! At 10:01 PM 12/31/2003 -0600, you wrote: > A communications question for you. Which was WORSE in setting >tele- communications policy??? >A. Passage of the Telecom Act of 1996 OR >B. Break Up of the Bell System (Ma Bell ) on January 1st, 1984 > > The Telecom Act of 1996 === Has run many talented people out of the >broadcasting business, allows the massive take over of numerous >stations by Clear Channel and other large owners, like ABC Disney, CBS >infinity, etc... > > Near unlimited concentration of stations in a market to just a >handful of big owners, putting the few small operators left in a real >squeeze. > > TOO many AM & FM stations crowded on the dial, leading to severe >interference problems on the A.M. dial. > Lower ing of broadcast standards, which in many persons opinions, has >helped to nearly kill off AM Stereo & Music broadcasting to a large >degree. And, How many Talk and sport stations do we really need in a >market?? > > And now we have the IBOC "mess' to deal with.... Digital Radio! > >VS : "The Bell System" 1875 - 1983 > > Now on Ma Bell : > She "died" an untimely death at an young age of just 108 years, way >too early ---- thanks to a greedy government and activist courts, who >proceeded to test drop the " Bunker Buster" on Ma Bell. Things have >never been quite the same. Western Electric ---- gone!! Phones made >in tho good old U.S.A. > not anymore!!! One Policy - One System --- >gone!! > Prompt service without a lot of finger pointing---- gone!! Low >local phone rates --- gone!! Okay, maybe long distance is cheaper, >but the Telco seems to be just a big tax and fee collections agency, >that also happens to dispense dial tones on occasion. > > What if the phone goes on the blink??? When Ma Bell ruled the >telecom world ONE call and the phone guy would usually fix the problem. >whether it was a squirrel eating the phone line wires,, a bad jack, or >defective dial phone, it was usually fixed in a hurry. Of, course you >could dunk a phone into a fish bowl (like I did in college) LT&T had a >real mystery on their hands, especially after I took the phone apart >and attempted to "fix" it. One of those old GTE / Automatic Electric >beasts that the Independent telco's used --- like LT&T. > > Yes, Ma Bell couldn't be everywhere, so some towns had brand X phone >companies. But, you leased the phone, and they fixed it, without too >many questions asked.... Now, A phone is little more than an >appliance, to be tossed at the first sign of trouble.... NO one leases >phones anymore. YOU get to Own it, and pay to fix it when it breaks. > > Remember those old "500" rotary and "2500" touchtone sets??, They >are near indestructible, IF you are fortunate to still have one, you >will find that they rarely break down! Sure, those old WECO phones >lack a lot of fancy features, But they work when it counts.... Like >during a power failure. > > I guess a few good things came out of de-regulation > 1. Competition for local service in many areas 2. Lower Long >Distance rates in many cases 3. Many phone related businesses came >into being selling, servicing phones, and providing long distance >services to the public. (often hiring EX- Bell personnel) > 4. Mobile & Cell phone service, which scarcely existed twenty >years ago -- Now we have digital cell phones, picture cell phones, >what's next?? > 5. AT &T while still around, has plenty of competition for long >distance calls from many competitors. > 6. Modern telephone switches can do a lot of "magic" like call >waiting, call forwarding, caller ID, etc.. that the old >electro-mechanical phone system(s) couldn't do due to their >old design. > > TOO Bad "the finest phone system in the World" is a fraction of >what it ONCE was. > R.I. P. Ma Bell 1875 - 1983 > > > Oldphones@ webtv. net >I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and >wiring items >http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Jan 01 02:20:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69739 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 10:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2004 10:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 10:20:39 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-59-177.rev.o1.com [66.81.59.177]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i01AKaj48066; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 02:20:37 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01c3d050$63fb98e0$b13b5142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 02:16:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "JimSmith" Subject: Happy New Years Every body!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Happy New Years Every body!!!! May 2004 bring the death kill to ICRAP. I see or have not hear any thing about the standards commity lifting the ban on ICARP. So i hope thats a good sine. Jim S From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Thu Jan 01 08:59:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43362 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 16:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2004 16:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 16:59:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2004 16:59:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 16:59:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 415 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.149.40.144 Subject: Re: is this the superadio tapedeck verson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "tkienzle22" wrote: > is this a superadio? > > ebay > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3069075067&category=48626 Reception-wise (AM and FM) it is one of the best cassette radios. While the built in AM antenna is not as big, it is pretty close (and it has decent frequency response on AM). FM is almost exactly the same as the SR. From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Jan 01 09:00:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99119 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 17:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2004 17:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 17:00:32 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.35] (d3-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.35]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id i01H0VK15968 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:00:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 09:59:05 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1072953521.291.17069.m12@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: Ten-Q X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla KTNQ is definitely doing IBAC and I am fortunate that the signal does not interefere with anything in Arizona, however LA listeners are howling about the mess. I have strong IBOC like whitw noise on 990. I wonder if KFWB or someone else is testing IBOC at times. I hear it mostly in the morning. Kevin Mesa, Arizona > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:31:11 -0000 > From: "Kevin T." > Subject: KTNQ > > I have a report that 1020 KTNQ in Los Angeles began using IBOC about > four weeks ago. KTNQ is a Spanish Oldies music station with 50,000 > watts full-time, but with a rather restrictive directional pattern > that aims most of their power out over the Pacific Ocean. > From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Jan 01 09:03:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98031 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 17:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2004 17:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 17:03:25 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.35] (d3-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.35]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id i01H3OK16071 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:03:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 10:01:58 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1072953521.291.17069.m12@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: Mono IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Tony,=20 I understand that at this point in time IBAC is ONLY in MONO and that=B9s w= hy you only can hear MONO. MONO + INTERFERENCE =3D IBAC SUCKS Kevin Mesa, Arizona > Now, apparently the STL for KTNQ is Mono...This leads me to an > interesting question...KNX's STL is now also Mono, based on the fact > that they are now Mono but with pilot...KNX is also supposed to be > going IBOC...What is this? 2 Mono IBOC stations?? Is this a sign that > Mono IBOC is better than Stereo IBOC?? Are broadcasters somehow > sending the message that a Mono IBOC signal is somehow more robust > than a Stereo IBOC signal?? Inquiring minds want to know. >=20 > --tony s. From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Jan 01 10:23:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33328 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 18:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2004 18:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 18:23:42 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040101182341.OAYF11223.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:23:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:23:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9EBE507A-3C87-11D8-83B0-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.125 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ten-Q X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are you sure its KTNQ? Are they only doing it part time? When I tune in=20 (which I admit is rarely), I still get the analog carrier on 1000,=20 1010, and 1030 in wide band, and no hash noise. The signal on 1010 and=20 1020 is almost the same. I cannot get a clean sound on the main=20 carrier, though. I thought it was their source material, since the=20 signal sounds quiet during silent passages of songs. On Thursday, January 1, 2004, at 08:59 AM, kevin, Mesa, AZ wrote: > > KTNQ is definitely doing IBAC and I am fortunate that the signal does=20 > not > interefere with anything in Arizona, however LA listeners are howling=20 > about > the mess. > > I have strong IBOC like whitw noise on 990. I wonder if KFWB or=20 > someone else > is testing IBOC at times. I hear it mostly in the morning. > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona > > > > Message: 8 > >=A0 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:31:11 -0000 > >=A0 From: "Kevin T." > > Subject: KTNQ > > > > I have a report that 1020 KTNQ in Los Angeles began using IBOC about > > four weeks ago.=A0 KTNQ is a Spanish Oldies music station with 50,000 > > watts full-time, but with a rather restrictive directional pattern > > that aims most of their power out over the Pacific Ocean. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Jan 01 10:36:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45632 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 18:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2004 18:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 18:36:06 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040101183605.OCTJ11223.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:36:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:35:58 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9EBE507A-3C87-11D8-83B0-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Message-Id: <57BFBDC4-3C89-11D8-83B0-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.125 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ten-Q X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I checked some more, and there is white noise on some of the adjacent=20 channels, though I can tune it out using the antenna. The sound quality=20 of the station itself is absolutely awful, though. KTNQ used to have=20 one of the best sounding signals in LA. I'll check some more when I drive. Richard On Thursday, January 1, 2004, at 10:23 AM, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Are you sure its KTNQ? Are they only doing it part time? When I tune in > (which I admit is rarely), I still get the analog carrier on 1000, > 1010, and 1030 in wide band, and no hash noise. The signal on 1010 and > 1020 is almost the same. I cannot get a clean sound on the main > carrier, though. I thought it was their source material, since the > signal sounds quiet during silent passages of songs. > > On Thursday, January 1, 2004, at 08:59=A0 AM, kevin, Mesa, AZ wrote: > > > > > KTNQ is definitely doing IBAC and I am fortunate that the signal does > > not > > interefere with anything in Arizona, however LA listeners are howling > > about > > the mess. > > > > I have strong IBOC like whitw noise on 990. I wonder if KFWB or > > someone else > > is testing IBOC at times. I hear it mostly in the morning. > > > > Kevin > > Mesa, Arizona > > > > > > > Message: 8 > > >=A0 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:31:11 -0000 > > >=A0 From: "Kevin T." > > > Subject: KTNQ > > > > > > I have a report that 1020 KTNQ in Los Angeles began using IBOC=20 > about > > > four weeks ago.=A0 KTNQ is a Spanish Oldies music station with 50,000 > > > watts full-time, but with a rather restrictive directional pattern > > > that aims most of their power out over the Pacific Ocean. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Thu Jan 01 17:26:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91750 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 01:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2004 01:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 01:26:52 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i021QoBS007603 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 12:26:51 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 12:26:50 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ten-Q X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, kevin, Mesa, AZ wrote: > KTNQ is definitely doing IBAC and I am fortunate that the signal does not > interefere with anything in Arizona, however LA listeners are howling > about the mess. > > I have strong IBOC like whitw noise on 990. I wonder if KFWB or someone > else is testing IBOC at times. I hear it mostly in the morning. Hi Kevin - you often refer to IBAC. Yet this message refers to both. What is the distinction between IBAC and IBOC? - besides the obvious that Jim S refers to as ICRAP. Ian From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 01 17:49:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63445 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 01:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2004 01:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 01:49:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20040102014950.60560.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.79.80.249] by web60104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Jan 2004 17:49:50 PST Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 17:49:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005201c3cf95$a6124dc0$01c8a8c0@n2ubp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.83 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 orphaned X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Steve Fleckenstein wrote: > I always thought that the pushrod engines were > freewheeling (i.e. > pistons wouldn't hit valves if the timing gear > slipped). He said that isn't always true. At highway speeds it [valves] can bend or even break and fall into the cylinder. > It isn't a set rule of thumb. Depends on camshaft > timing and piston / head > clearances. > > More overhead cam engines have the potential problem > but not all overhead > cam engines have the problem. but even those can be damaged at highway speeds. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 01 17:54:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64651 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 01:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2004 01:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 01:54:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2004 01:54:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 01:54:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 905 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.104 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ten-Q X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, kevin, Mesa, AZ wrote: > > > KTNQ is definitely doing IBAC and I am fortunate that the signal does not > > interefere with anything in Arizona, however LA listeners are howling > > about the mess. > > > > I have strong IBOC like whitw noise on 990. I wonder if KFWB or someone > > else is testing IBOC at times. I hear it mostly in the morning. > > > Hi Kevin - you often refer to IBAC. > > Yet this message refers to both. What is the distinction between IBAC > and IBOC? - besides the obvious that Jim S refers to as ICRAP. "IBOC" = "In-Band, On-Channel"; "IBAC" = "In-Band, Adjacent-Channel". This refers to the digital subcarrier sidebands that flank either side of the main analog signal. Oh, and happy 2004, everybody- I hope this year is better than last for everyone. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 01 18:04:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94959 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 02:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2004 02:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 02:04:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20040102020441.14578.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.79.80.249] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Jan 2004 18:04:41 PST Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 18:04:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT 20 years have passed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > Telcom Act, no question. > > There is no benefit to the consumer from it. > > On the other hand, there was great benefit from > breakup of the Bell > System. Actually the is and isn't. > Long distance calls are not just cheaper, they are > on the magnitude of > 1/100 the price they were in the past. I wasn't even > allowed to call > radio stations when I was growing up because the > cost to LA from San > pedro -- 23 miles -- was so prohibitive my mom would > have killed me. This is true. > Calls to other states could be as high as $3 to >$5 per minute. Now, I worked in operator services for years and NEVER saw rates like that. Now I > get unlimited long distance to anywhere in the US > for $20 per month > flat rate. If I didn't have that plan, it would be 7 > cents per minute, > amy time. good rates but at that cost, the LD infrastructure will eventually cave in. > Can't lease phones now? So what? If you buy a good > phone you don't have > problems. But you can't buy good new phones anymore. Cute glitzy electronically very fragile ones. BUT you can always find those now in disgrace 500 ( dial ) and 2500 touchtone Bell sets for less than a song. > Local service for me? $11 per line plus taxes and > options. That's way > cheaper than before the breakup. Reliability is far > above what it was > in the past, so they are doing something right. If I > ever need service, > which has been never, I can still call them. I don't know where you are but reliability is NOT better than before. A lot of BOC's have laid of tens and tens of thousands of workers, and when there is a problem its many days before anything is done. Some of the BOCs are in shaky financial condition. It's a matter of time before some implode. I worked for BellSouth for 28 years, and retired early. At least they are in decent shape, but in a lot of the medium and smaller markets they are losing a LOT of money providing local service. If they sell out to some third rate company, the smaller towns will suffer. At least there are no mechanical switches left. Even the #1 ESS switches are all gone, and BellSouth is all digital. QWEST is the BOC that is in very serious financial trouble right now. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Jan 01 18:35:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79657 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 02:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2004 02:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 02:35:47 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040102023545.PNZT3322.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 21:35:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 18:35:45 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5E1C6204-3CCC-11D8-83B0-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.244 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ten-Q X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My engineer friend confirmed that 10-Q is using IBOC. It doesn't seem=20 to interfere with much now, though there isn't much on either side of=20 the station until night time. I am a bit surprised, though. Nothing=20 like the samples posted here. The buzz seems worse on narrowband radios=20 (such as in my car) than wideband (as on my tx11b), though. On Thursday, January 1, 2004, at 05:54 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson > wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, kevin, Mesa, AZ wrote: > > > > > KTNQ is definitely doing IBAC and I am fortunate that the signal > does not > > > interefere with anything in Arizona, however LA listeners are > howling > > > about the mess. > > > > > > I have strong IBOC like whitw noise on 990. I wonder if KFWB or > someone > > > else is testing IBOC at times. I hear it mostly in the morning. > > > > > > Hi Kevin - you often refer to IBAC. > > > > Yet this message refers to both.=A0 What is the distinction between > IBAC > > and IBOC? - besides the obvious that Jim S refers to as ICRAP. > > "IBOC" =3D "In-Band, On-Channel"; "IBAC" =3D "In-Band, Adjacent-Channel". > This refers to the digital subcarrier sidebands that flank either > side of the main analog signal. > > Oh, and happy 2004, everybody- I hope this year is better than last > for everyone. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mark_608@hotmail.com Fri Jan 02 05:50:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40752 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 13:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2004 13:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 13:50:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 05:50:27 -0800 Received: from 136.1.1.101 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Jan 2004 13:50:27 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 08:50:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2004 13:50:27.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[60E172A0:01C3D137] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.17.50 From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [136.1.1.101] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philips AZ1305 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Oh well...I guess I will have to try it the hard way... Thanks for the info, Chris! Mark >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philips AZ1305 >Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 17:48:02 -0500 > >I checked through our company today, and ther is no service data available >at all for any of the philips small audio. We are full-line service for >them, and it only tells us "service not available- exchange only" >So, the only way to do it is to take it apart and see what it has inside >for >chips. >Chris >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark Sundquist > _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger — learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 02 06:36:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58461 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 14:36:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2004 14:36:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 14:36:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20040102143610.52254.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Jan 2004 06:36:10 PST Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 06:36:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: WJR Kills Music Programming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Well, it finally happened - WJR stuck a knife into it's Sunday morning 3-hours of music programming on one of the best sounding AM stereo stations in the USA. They added more talk - what a waste of 50KW. There is a firestorm about it on the Michigan Radio buzzboard, so I posted a link to the Fanfare samples, and people were quite impressed with the OLD WJR samples in AM stereo. BTW, Happy New Year everybody! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Jan 02 08:02:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1630 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 16:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2004 16:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 16:02:00 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.57] (d25-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.57]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id i02G1xK69841 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 09:01:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 09:00:33 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1073040189.290.44059.m12@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1020 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla This came from David Gleason, a high mucky muck at HBC. He said something about Ten-Q with IBOC. Whether it is on or not 100% of the time, I don't know since the signal is pointed away from Phoenix. Kevin > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:23:38 -0800 > From: Richard Wagoner > Subject: Re: Ten-Q > > Are you sure its KTNQ? Are they only doing it part time? When I tune in > (which I admit is rarely), I still get the analog carrier on 1000, > 1010, and 1030 in wide band, and no hash noise. The signal on 1010 and > 1020 is almost the same. I cannot get a clean sound on the main > carrier, though. I thought it was their source material, since the > signal sounds quiet during silent passages of songs. From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Jan 02 08:03:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4165 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 16:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2004 16:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 16:03:29 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.57] (d25-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.57]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id i02G3SK69907 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 09:03:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 09:02:03 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1073040189.290.44059.m12@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: IBAC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla IBAC = In Band Adjacent Channel as opposed to In Band On Channel or IBOC. Kevin Mesa, Arizona > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 12:26:50 +1100 (EST) > From: Ian Davidson > Subject: Re: Ten-Q > > > On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, kevin, Mesa, AZ wrote: > >> KTNQ is definitely doing IBAC and I am fortunate that the signal does not >> interefere with anything in Arizona, however LA listeners are howling >> about the mess. >> >> I have strong IBOC like whitw noise on 990. I wonder if KFWB or someone >> else is testing IBOC at times. I hear it mostly in the morning. > > > Hi Kevin - you often refer to IBAC. > > Yet this message refers to both. What is the distinction between IBAC > and IBOC? - besides the obvious that Jim S refers to as ICRAP. > > Ian > From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Jan 02 08:05:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3557 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 16:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2004 16:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 16:05:09 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.57] (d25-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.57]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id i02G58K69969 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 09:05:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 09:03:42 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1073040189.290.44059.m12@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1020 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Richard, The FCC has approved IBAC for DAYTIME use only on AM BCB. Kevin > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 18:35:45 -0800 > From: Richard Wagoner > Subject: Re: Ten-Q > > My engineer friend confirmed that 10-Q is using IBOC. It doesn't seem > to interfere with much now, though there isn't much on either side of > the station until night time. I am a bit surprised, though. Nothing > like the samples posted here. The buzz seems worse on narrowband radios > (such as in my car) than wideband (as on my tx11b), though. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 02 09:02:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37764 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 17:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2004 17:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 17:02:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2004 17:02:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:02:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 912 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1020 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The FCC has approved IBAC for DAYTIME use only on AM BCB. Actually, it's allowed from sunrise or 6:00 AM, whichever is earlier, until sunset or 6:00 PM, whichever is later. That extension allows IBOC stations to cover the morning and afternoon "drive times" with digital service, even in the winter months when both may occur outside of the official sunsrise-sunset span. This does allow IBOC to be used during the "critical hours" when the skywaves are often fully active, but apparently the FCC isn't too concerned about the interference this would cause. But I wonder what would happen if an AM station in Alaska wanted to use IBOC... for many of them, there are no official sunrise/sunset times listed by the FCC, because during some months up there, the sun never sets! Alaska also has a bunch of Class A stations which are only 10 kW, whereas they're all 50 kW in the continental states. From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Jan 02 09:13:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95604 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 17:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2004 17:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 17:12:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2004 17:12:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:12:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040102143610.52254.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 274 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 Subject: Re: WJR Kills Music Programming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >Well, it finally happened - WJR stuck a knife into it's Sunday >morning 3-hours of music programming on one of the best sounding AM >stereo stations in the USA. What a bunch of scumbags. That dude that hosted the music was with the station for like 34 years. - Mario From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Jan 02 10:18:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36848 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 18:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2004 18:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 18:18:19 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040102181817.UOGK11223.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 13:18:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:18:17 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0993E30F-3D50-11D8-83B0-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.125 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1020 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone else think its interesting that the Ten-Q mentions are in=20 digest number 1020? KTNQ is on 1020. In any event, I have listened=20 more. On my Carver, the antenna is able to be moved around, and the=20 wideband picks up a lot of carrier, so the IBOC sidebands are not as=20 evident. The main carrier sounds awful, though ... perhaps front end=20 overload? After dark when IBOC is turned off, the signal sounds much=20 better. In my car, there are not closely spaced stations in LA, but I did=20 notice that KCEO 1000 is much quieter and has a ring/static noise all=20 the time which was not there before. Also, KTNQ does sound much duller=20 than other stations. So now that I've studied it more, I can finally see the destructive=20 elements first hand of IBOC. Now I have to get my engineering friend to=20 give me a demo of the IBOC receiver. Richard On Friday, January 2, 2004, at 08:00 AM, kevin, Mesa, AZ wrote: > > This came from David Gleason, a high mucky muck at HBC. He said=20 > something > about Ten-Q with IBOC. Whether it is on or not 100% of the time, I=20 > don't > know since the signal is pointed away from Phoenix. > > Kevin > > > > Message: 4 > >=A0 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:23:38 -0800 > >=A0 From: Richard Wagoner > > Subject: Re: Ten-Q > > > > Are you sure its KTNQ? Are they only doing it part time? When I tune=20 > in > > (which I admit is rarely), I still get the analog carrier on 1000, > > 1010, and 1030 in wide band, and no hash noise. The signal on 1010=20 > and > > 1020 is almost the same. I cannot get a clean sound on the main > > carrier, though. I thought it was their source material, since the > > signal sounds quiet during silent passages of songs. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Jan 02 16:35:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84873 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 00:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2004 00:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 00:35:18 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-240.iquest.net [209.43.58.240]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i030ZEF1029624 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:35:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000c01c3d191$764396f0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:35:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1020 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Actually, it's allowed from sunrise or 6:00 AM, whichever is earlier, > until sunset or 6:00 PM, whichever is later. That extension allows > IBOC stations to cover the morning and afternoon "drive times" with > digital service, even in the winter months when both may occur outside > of the official sunsrise-sunset span. In December and January there is still another hour of darkness in Chicago at 6 AM (legal sunrise is around 7 AM) and at 5 PM it has been dark for nearly 45 minutes (legal sunset is 4:15). This means WLS, WMVP, WBBM and WGM would all be operating well after dark with IBOC if they are allowed to operate until 6 PM local time. Imagine the interference they will be subjected to, and cause if all jump on the IBOC bandwagon. Same thing with all of the (former Class 1A clears). We need to get someone with gonads to run the FCC if the current management is going to allow that kind of chaos on the MW band. AM/IBOC gets more bizarre every time I hear new information. From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 02 19:14:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23132 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 03:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2004 03:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 03:14:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20040103031419.2989.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.93] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Jan 2004 19:14:19 PST Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:14:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1020 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > But I wonder what would happen if an AM station in > Alaska wanted to > use IBOC... for many of them, there are no official > sunrise/sunset > times listed by the FCC, because during some months > up there, the sun > never sets! Alaska also has a bunch of Class A > stations which are > only 10 kW, whereas they're all 50 kW in the > continental states. It would be allowed if ( as often happens) the skip does not get way down this way as well as one would expect. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From johnsyros2004@yahoo.com Sat Jan 03 07:36:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: johnsyros2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81228 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 15:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2004 15:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60402.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.185) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 15:36:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20040103153603.63840.qmail@web60402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.205.239.211] by web60402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Jan 2004 07:36:03 PST Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 07:36:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.185 From: john syros Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philips AZ1305 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159848949 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnsyros2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Mark, Have a little patience. I have forwarded your inquiry to a friend in Philips-Service here in Athens, as well as to a Dutch friend in Holland. If you are lucky, we will get the needed manual or schematics in a few days. We will see. All the Best to everybody in the AM Stereo Group John Syros Athens-Greece Mark Sundquist wrote: Oh well...I guess I will have to try it the hard way... Thanks for the info, Chris, Mark --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Jan 03 09:29:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2626 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 17:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2004 17:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.193) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 17:29:02 -0000 Received: from storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id A7018BE13 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:29:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id JAA29869; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:29:02 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQKUHAwySrZyCJPipoXr8BSKsaQ/QIUB9aSPM3cKmRM2p3NPIveu84XsKA= Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 11:29:02 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <19943-3FF6FBDE-558@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 3 Jan 2004 10:50:14 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.193 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1021 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 John P. , Sorry to hear about the loss of musical programming on WJR Detroit. I heard them on Christmas Eve playing Xmas music from Walt Disney World. It appeared that a number of ABC Owned & Operated station were doing thus. WJR 760, WLS 890 Chicago and WBAP 820 Dallas / Fort Worth all had the same program feed. I couldn't tell if they were in true stereo, or not. MY Ford car radio sadly is Mono, and it is hard to find a decent din size radio that it AM Stereo. The one that Ford made for that application was expensive and required and amp and special cable. I no longer have access to Ford product at where I work. Panasonic and Blapunkt are about our only two car stereo product lines left, We just dropped selling Sony product, recently. Really sad the way major staions are dropping any musical programming, even if just for a few hours a week. WGN used to have a musical program on sSunday mornings, and so did KMOX. Too bad about WJR. Listening to WBAP on Christmas morning they kept fading up and down, playing Music!! The Sony SRF-100A gets stereo but no pilot detection >> makes it hard too tell, unless the station plays something with a lot of separation. My Delco UX-1 works but seems to have an antenna problem. Gets a loud buzzing noise at 640, 660 KCRO, and 1290 KKAR Need to do some checking... Those stations seem okay on other radios. Speaking of Christmas Music, I was really impressed with the selection and variety of Xmas music on the 3 XM channels that went to continuous Christmas music during the days leading up to December 25th. The "sunny" channel # 24 had lot of the old nostalgic music on it, radio like it used to be 20- 25, 30 years ago Some of the same songs I had stereo recording of off of AM/ST stations like KOIL, KFAB, etc... & , KESY-FM . Bought back a lot of good memories. I Hope everyone had a happy new Year and a good Christmas!! Bill Snyder - Omaha Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jan 03 13:06:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61896 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 21:06:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2004 21:06:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 21:06:03 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.12d.3847c479 (3972); Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:05:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12d.3847c479.2d2888a2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:05:38 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@topica.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.4 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Forwarded message from another group--[NRC-AM] AM Stereo arrives (again) in St. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subj: [NRC-AM] AM Stereo arrives (again) in St. Augustine, FL=A0 = =20 Date: 1/3/04 12:46:07 PM Eastern Standard Time=20=20=20=20 From: wgsr1570@nrcdxas.org=20=20=20=20 Reply-to: am@nrcdxas.org=20=20 To: am@nrcdxas.org=20=20 Sent from the Internet (Details)=20=20=20=20 I'm excited, personally, to hear 1170 WSOS [AM] St. Augustine Beach, FL in= =20 AM Stereo, as I listen with my Realistic TM-152. Stereo Seperation and=20 Stereo Pilot Light. Oldies is the format. No advertising at all. I am in=20 fringe reception of it's 700-ish watt signal, but I'll take whatever AM=20 stereo music format I can come across anyday. A dying breed? Sure. I'll=20 enjoy it while it lasts, and make some airchecks along the way.=20 The oldies played is 50s through the 70s. Kind of an ecclectic playlist.=20 Thanks to the folks who run the station and chose to repair the=20 stereo-generating transmitting equipment that was in place for the past=20 number of years!=20 Ron Gitschier Palm Coast, FL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ------------------------------------------ Ron is located within an hour drive south of Jacksonville Fla Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 03 22:11:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22822 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2004 06:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2004 06:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2004 06:11:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20040104061138.26138.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:11:38 PST Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 22:11:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.144 From: "John P." Subject: Answer received from a station that went Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Here's the response received after contacting a local AM stereo station that just went mono: "Sorry but AM Stereo technology has been thrown out the window. We can no longer get parts for our stereo generator and there are no manufacturers producing them. Hold onto that Cruiser with the AM Stereo radio....it'll be a rare collectors item very soon!" Sad - an engineer that can't fix the AMS exciter? Are the parts in them that rare? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jan 03 22:21:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42630 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2004 06:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2004 06:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2004 06:21:02 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.157.2af4b3a6 (16781) for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 01:20:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <157.2af4b3a6.2d290ac4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 01:20:52 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.104 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Answer received from a station that went Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/4/04 1:12:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > Here's the response received after contacting a local AM stereo station=20 > that > just went mono: >=20 > "Sorry but AM Stereo technology has been thrown out the window. We can n= o > longer get parts for our stereo generator and there are no manufacturers > producing them. >=20 > Hold onto that Cruiser with the AM Stereo radio....it'll be a rare=20 > collectors > item very soon!" >=20 > Sad - an engineer that can't fix the AMS exciter? Are the parts in them= =20 > that rare? >=20 The parts cant be that rare...heck BE is still making transmitters with the= =20 C-Quam exciters in them. What station is this that just went mono and if you can provide me with=20 contact info *off list* I'll see what the deal is. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 04 01:44:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21371 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2004 09:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2004 09:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2004 09:44:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2004 09:44:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 09:44:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040104061138.26138.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 399 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.3 Subject: Re: Answer received from a station that went Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Sad - an engineer that can't fix the AMS exciter? Are the parts in > them that rare? No, but this situation is akin to somebody who throws away their LP collection, saying "ah, nobody makes turntables anymore!" I mean, if they even did a little searching on the web, they could find a complete Harris factory-reconditioned C-Quam exciter for sale on a radio equipment site for only $495... From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Jan 04 01:53:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92816 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2004 09:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2004 09:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2004 09:53:53 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.1f1.169cc572 (3310) for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 04:53:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1f1.169cc572.2d293ca5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 04:53:41 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.103 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Answer received from a station that went Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/4/04 4:44:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > >Sad - an engineer that can't fix the AMS exciter? Are the parts in > >them that rare? >=20 > No, but this situation is akin to somebody who throws away their LP=20 > collection, saying "ah, nobody makes turntables anymore!" >=20 > I mean, if they even did a little searching on the web, they could=20 > find a complete Harris factory-reconditioned C-Quam exciter for sale=20 > on a radio equipment site for only $495... >=20 >=20 Heck I'd even fix the thing fore them provided that shipping to and from is= =20 taken care of and cost of parts.NO LABOR added! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oscar@globility.com Sun Jan 04 05:52:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13220 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2004 13:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2004 13:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2004 13:52:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2004 13:52:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 13:52:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 364 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.122 Subject: AM Stereo pilots X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I heard from a very reliable source that WGN turned off its pilot last weekend. There's no word its back on yet. If WGN has turned off its pilot, could than mean the WLS is right behind? The timing of all this is rather interesting. Could it be that, when properly done, as WGN and WJR have inadvertently proven, AM stereo sounds too good to continue? MS From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Jan 04 08:00:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14327 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2004 16:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2004 16:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.193) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2004 16:00:53 -0000 Received: from storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id A6A21BEA5 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 08:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id IAA07367; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 08:00:53 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRbTHQbtn2gy6A7xPpcXo+3cLKxwwIVALswCw6KH4KmZpnWmT+Mw/1ZCZzi Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 10:00:53 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <23614-3FF838B5-935@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 4 Jan 2004 10:43:33 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.193 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} parts for exciters, electronic gear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 The problem of getting repair parts for older electronic equipment is indeed very real. I started in the electronics parts business in 1977, later got into some other work, and returned to the electronics parts business. Getting a lot of component parts is a very real problem, lot of it is coming up with a minimum order that means long delays, if we can even get the part. High value - high voltage capacitors are a real problem, I can only get general replacement Ic's, any I.C. that is rare, special, or proprietary I can't get. No mc13000 series. Power wire wound resistors, same problem, the source I had dried up. It gets worse all the time. I often suggest searching the internet, The other electronic parts store in town, a one store company, has much the same difficulties. The store I am with has 6 locations ( Iowa, Nebraska, & Texas). We refer customers to each other. From the stories I have heard, it doesn't sound like Radio Shack is faring much better, It helps to find an knowledgeable parts associate. The Antique Radio Supply company in Tempe, AZ seems to be a good source on a lot of older parts and on tubes. Ham Radio Dealers may be another possibility. Chuck, one of our local broadcast engineer(s), bemoans the fact that there are some parts I can't find a source for. I have to work with our established buyers and vendors. I do what I can with the limited resources available. There seems to be little money in component parts, so most distributors avoid them. WE quit handling TV set repair parts years ago. AT where I work, it is the appliances we distribute, Dish Network (wholesale dealers only), XM satellite radio, and a few radio, TV lines ( Teac, Zenith, JVC, etc...Pansonic car stereoes that keep us going. most of it wholesale to the smaller ( mom & pop) type of radio & tv dealers, satellite installers, hardware stores, repair shops, appliance stores, etc... WE quit doing radio servicing & installations about a year ago. WE were a Ford service center for many years, all sold off to a Kansas City company. I just want you to realize that there many real problems obtaining certain parts from your local electronics dealer. If you have a dealer with the volume of business to keep component parts on hand, God bless you, and feel fortunate. Sometimes, you just got to get innovative and salvage what parts you can from junked equipment, or the spare parts drawer. Or hit the net & hope someone has some NOS parts on hand, somewhere... Bill Snyder Omaha, NE From amstereorules@msn.com Sun Jan 04 08:06:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20223 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2004 16:06:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2004 16:06:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2004 16:06:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2004 16:06:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 16:06:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 297 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: AM Stereo pilots X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules I can positively confirm that WGN Chicago is not in stereo now, after running glorious Christmas music and other programming in stereo. WLS is in stereo for now. - Mario >I heard from a very reliable source that WGN turned off its pilot > last weekend. There's no word its back on yet. From amstereorules@msn.com Sun Jan 04 08:23:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27968 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2004 16:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2004 16:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2004 16:23:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2004 16:23:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 16:23:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040104061138.26138.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: Answer received from a station that went Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >Here's the response received after contacting a local AM stereo >station that just went mono: What is the call letters please, so that we can write letters? Thank you. - Mario, a well known engineer From amstereorules@msn.com Sun Jan 04 08:32:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41318 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2004 16:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2004 16:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2004 16:32:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2004 16:32:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 16:32:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 226 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: WGN AM 720 Chicago X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules Write those letters to WGN staff using this link, especially to the Director of Engineering. Since WGN recently upgraded their stereo link, my conclusion is that I-BOC is not far behind: http://wgnradio.com/email/index.htm From amstereorules@msn.com Sun Jan 04 11:43:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3209 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2004 19:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2004 19:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2004 19:43:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2004 19:43:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 19:43:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1143 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >On Dec 29th we put a new transmitter on the air. Because WGN is a >News/Talk station that plays almost no music and because there are >no new AM Stereo radios being produced, we decided not to try to put >this transmitter on in stereo. There are 40 of these new >transmitters (Harris 3DX50) that have been sold to major market AM >stations throughout the U.S. and none of them are using stereo. > >I don't know why other stations decided not to use stereo but I >know in our case I would have been forced to use an AM stereo >exciter that was manufactured a decade ago in place of the >manufacturer provided redundant exciter system that comes with the >transmitter. Since we do not play music and there are very few AM >stereo radios out there we opted for the higher performance and >reliability of the standard exciter system that comes with >the transmitter. > >I know you will probably be disappointed with my answer but I hope >you also understand that it was inevitable that AM stereo would >disappear on most stations. It had a good run here at WGN (since >1982) but it is now time to move on. > >Jim >JCarollo at tribune.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 04 13:14:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10909 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2004 21:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2004 21:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2004 21:14:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2004 21:14:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 21:14:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 468 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.11 Subject: Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > >I know you will probably be disappointed with my answer but I hope > >you also understand that it was inevitable that AM stereo would > >disappear on most stations. It had a good run here at WGN (since > >1982) but it is now time to move on. "Time to move on" to what? 1920's-technology mono AM? And as for WGN's "decade-old" AM Stereo exciter, they could've gotten a brand new one from Harris: http://www.broadcast.harris.com/radio/transmission/exciters.asp From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Jan 04 18:50:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51283 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 02:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 02:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 02:50:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 02:50:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 02:50:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 233 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 65.67.103.138 Subject: Kahn and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I've heard that Kahn has stepped in with a challenge to the IBOC technology. Not with the old Kahn AM Stereo, mind you. But with something new... Maybe this has been discussed here before, but does anyone have more info on this? From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Jan 04 19:03:27 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 04 19:31:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25197 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 03:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 03:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 03:31:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 03:30:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 03:30:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 530 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.238 Subject: Re: Kahn and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > I've heard that Kahn has stepped in with a challenge to the IBOC technology. Not with > the old Kahn AM Stereo, mind you. But with something new... > > Maybe this has been discussed here before, but does anyone have more info on this? You're referring to "CAM-D". There are a few files on CAM-D in the files section of this group. Also, "lrkahn" of Japan has this Yahoo! Briefcase folder for CAM-D: http://tinyurl.com/ytjuy Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 04 19:47:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22224 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 03:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 03:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 03:47:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20040105034706.56356.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jan 2004 19:47:06 PST Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:47:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.146 From: "John P." Subject: Stereo in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio didn't somebody say that a station in Florida was going to add AM Stereo this week? On-air yet? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sun Jan 04 19:57:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13879 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 03:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 03:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 03:57:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 03:57:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 03:57:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040105034706.56356.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 179 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: Stereo in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > didn't somebody say that a station in Florida was going to add AM > Stereo this > week? On-air yet? Check Bob Carter's post "Forwarded Message From Another Group". -tony s. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Jan 04 21:18:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86141 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 05:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 05:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 05:18:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 05:18:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 05:18:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 484 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.186.24 Subject: Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio I am not a big fan of the 3DX50 series of transmitters (probably because they were design for the express purpose of shoving IBOC down our throat). The DX and Gates series were great transmitters and WGN could have easily purchased new equipment to keep the stereo on. By the way, www.fybush.com is featuring the WGN transmitter site this week. There is so much you can do with AM.... with radio in general... and so many fail to see it right in front of their eyes. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jan 04 23:05:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 71679 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 07:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 07:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 07:05:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 07:05:30 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60587 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 04:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 04:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 04:36:16 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.91.37a6db18 (16930) for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 23:36:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <91.37a6db18.2d2a43b6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 23:36:06 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.104 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Jan 2004 07:05:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 There are fatal flaws to this logic: 1) Mr. Carollo claims "there are no new AM Stereo radios produced". There still are; most for automobiles. And many mono AM radios produced prior to 1999 can be converted to AM Stereo. 2) There's also no logic to a mono News/Talk station on AM or FM. St. Louis has two FM talk stations; both broadcast in Stereo. 3) WGN's audio quality will suffer without AM Stereo. That means declining ratings, including lost listeners to WLS. Part of the reason for KMOX's ratings decline has been no stereo to compete with KFTK 97.1 and KWMU 90.7. 4) This makes it very important to revise the Receiver Standards Petition. That's my view on WGN's fatal decision to drop the technologically advanced sound of AM Stereo. If they adopt the low-quality IBOC sound, it's bye-bye to more listeners! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jan 04 23:05:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29567 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 07:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 07:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 07:05:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: n0uiheric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 07:05:35 -0000 X-Sender: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79114 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 05:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 05:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 05:23:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 05:23:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 05:23:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 90 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "n0uih" X-Originating-IP: 172.171.212.14 Subject: Revised Receiver Standards Petition Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Jan 2004 07:05:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 I have posted a draft of the Revised Receiver Standards Petition in the "Files" section. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jan 04 23:06:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26971 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 07:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 07:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 07:06:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 07:05:58 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68005 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 05:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 05:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 05:43:18 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.12f.38ca4e5a (4340) for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 00:43:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12f.38ca4e5a.2d2a536d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 00:43:09 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.35 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The IBOC List, Nov. 2003 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Jan 2004 07:05:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 KFUO 850 Clayton, MO has had their IBOC interference generators off in recent days, enabling me to hear KOTC 830 Kennett, MO once again. I hope it's permanent, as I've been wanting to hear WINU 870 Shelbyville, IL. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Jan 05 02:52:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74742 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 10:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 10:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 10:52:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 02:52:33 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:52:32 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:52:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2004 10:52:33.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[05A42460:01C3D37A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.35 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Stereo in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Hi John, As best as I can remember from the post, the station is WFOY, St Augustine at 1170 am and 700 watts. They reportedly offer an oldies format playing music from the 1950's to the 1970's. As St Augustine is 200 miles from where I am and there are two other 1170 stations between here and St Augustine, I don't have a prayer of ever receiving them here. Donn St Petersburg ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John P." Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Stereo in Florida Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:47:06 -0800 (PST) didn't somebody say that a station in Florida was going to add AM Stereo this week? On-air yet? _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From mark_608@hotmail.com Mon Jan 05 04:50:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19289 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 12:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 12:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 12:50:34 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 04:50:34 -0800 Received: from 136.2.1.101 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:50:33 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 07:50:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2004 12:50:34.0113 (UTC) FILETIME=[8246C710:01C3D38A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.17.107 From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [136.2.1.101] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philips AZ1305 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 John, Thank you! I will await patiently. :) This really is a cool boom box that I think would make a good conversion... I really appreciate this..thank you again! Mark >From: john syros >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philips AZ1305 >Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 07:36:03 -0800 (PST) > >Dear Mark, > >Have a little patience. > >I have forwarded your inquiry to a friend in Philips-Service here in >Athens, as well as to a Dutch friend in Holland. > >If you are lucky, we will get the needed manual or schematics in a few >days. > >We will see. > > All the >Best to everybody > in the AM >Stereo Group > > >John Syros > >Athens-Greece > >Mark Sundquist wrote: > >Oh well...I guess I will have to try it the hard way... > >Thanks for the info, Chris, > >Mark > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Protect your identity with Yahoo! 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Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From oldphones@webtv.net Mon Jan 05 05:41:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17449 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 13:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 13:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.194) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 13:41:49 -0000 Received: from storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id D5A8A105D7 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 05:41:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA06943; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 05:41:48 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAhm8lBNq7L6M55hWJUoKFkpsbmp8CFQCBL9hZHXKIk//AzDGmER6hhSzOcg== Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 07:41:48 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <19947-3FF9699C-1487@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 5 Jan 2004 10:46:14 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.194 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1023 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 The reasons given for WGN not broadcasting in Stereo with their "new" transmitter is exactly the same situation at KFAB Omaha. When they put in their" ,quote/ unquote "Digital state of the Art Transmitter" the stereo went away. I suspect the only time you will ever see stereo pilot on KFAB and similar stations is IF they happen to rarely be transmitting with the auxiliary, older transmitter that still has the AM exciter still in place. KFAB still has their early 80's vintage Continental transmitter as the backup rig. I had the grand tour of KFAB's transmitter site about 1983 shortly before they went stereo. Recently posted pictures of their transmitter replacement project ( no longer on the web! ) showed that little had changed other that the "new" rig replacing the vintage 1950 / 1960 RCA ampliphase transmitter, which i understand was scrapped!! Most stations feel that running 20 + year old equipment is expensive and reliability issues arise. So stations with the means will inevitably put new equipment into service. Tube costs and getting spare parts can be a challenge with older 15, 20 year old (or more) equipment, and exciters are probably no different. How ever, It has been pointed out that factory reconditioned exciter(s) are available IF the station cares to look.... The fact that many 50kw powerhouses went to news/talk formats doesn't help matters any, also. While I think AM Stereo gives an edge to commercials and jingles, bumper music --- most News/ Talk AM stations are "stuck" with a Mono mentality. Sad. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Jan 05 06:43:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84503 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 14:43:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 14:43:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 14:43:15 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-39-132.rev.o1.com [66.81.39.132]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i05EhCm27744; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 06:43:13 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c3d399$b588bc00$84275142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 06:39:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "JimSmith" Subject: KFRC same as WGN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi Thats the same damned exscuse Phil Lezra head enganeer of KFRC am 610 fm 99.7 said. He put in a new Harris Gates 5 in 1999. He allso said he wanted to go ICRAP. He is still runing at this time full 10khz of sound and mono at 100 miles away thay still sound ok for a mono station. Thanks Jim S From mark_608@hotmail.com Mon Jan 05 07:14:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79861 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 15:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 15:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 15:14:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 07:14:47 -0800 Received: from 136.2.1.101 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:14:47 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:14:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2004 15:14:47.0965 (UTC) FILETIME=[A85FCCD0:01C3D39E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.17.36 From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [136.2.1.101] Subject: Chris Cuff:Delco Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Chris(or anyone who might know :) ): I have a Delco radio that I would like to convert to AM$. Is there some way to tell if it is a good candidate? This one is from a Pontiac, has a multiband graphic EQ with cassette player. The 6 presets are arranged vertically instead of the more common horizontal arrangement. The display is kind of amber with a stripe of red across where the numbers are, and the numbers are red. I am not sure what year this is from, but the unit has "16178122 BBCZ" printed on it with "PROD ID:2001" as well..maybe means it is from a 2001 vehicle? Thanks for any insight you can offer! Mark _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our limited-time introductory offer for dial-up Internet access. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 08:25:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9015 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 16:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 16:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 16:25:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 16:24:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:24:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19947-3FF9699C-1487@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 967 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1023 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > How ever, It has been pointed out that factory reconditioned > exciter(s) are available IF the station cares to look.... They can also purchase a _brand new_ C-Quam exciter from Harris, B.E., and possibly also Delta. In fact, at least one manufacturer _must_ continue making new ones, because it is still an FCC requirement for Expanded Band stations (who were assigned with a "Stereo Preference") to broadcast in AM Stereo, so if a new one comes on the air, they'll need some source for the equipment to broadcast in Stereo. > While I think AM Stereo gives an edge to commercials and jingles, > bumper music --- most News/ Talk AM stations are "stuck" with a > Mono mentality. Sad. And so it shall continue with IBOC. There is no requirement for IBOC stations to broadcast their digital audio in stereo. 710 WOR doesn't; their studio facilities remain mono, although their STL is stereo, and they claim to be upgrading their studios to stereo. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 09:11:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90004 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 17:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 17:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 17:11:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 17:11:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:11:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 224 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.137.148.142 Subject: Re: Kahn and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Amy... I followed your link and found that PDF file, but I can't find the Kahn info in the AM Stereo "files" section of this board... What's the name of the specific file? http://tinyurl.com/ytjuy > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Jan 05 09:17:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20697 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 17:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 17:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 17:17:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 17:17:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:17:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 429 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.177.37 Subject: Re: Revised Receiver Standards Petition Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "n0uih" wrote: > I have posted a draft of the Revised Receiver Standards Petition in > the "Files" section. That will never happen. We'd be lucky to get wideband AMAX radios standardized. The shortwave and sunset of IBOC is not likely (nor is distroying the documents... which I thought was funny). Let's get AM on the proper playing field and compare THAT to IBOC. From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Jan 05 10:26:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93606 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 18:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 18:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 18:26:31 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-49-184.rev.o1.com [66.81.49.184]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i05IQSF47462; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:26:28 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c3d3b8$e517eee0$b8315142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:22:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "JimSmith" Subject: NAB Radio Show X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 What i would like to see at one of thoughs radio shows a side by side compearason betweem IBOC AM STEREO vs MOTOROLA C- QUAM. I bet that would a hell a joke!!!!!! From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 11:14:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90084 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 19:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 19:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 19:14:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 19:14:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 19:14:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 687 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.238 Subject: Re: Kahn and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > Amy... > > I followed your link and found that PDF file, but I can't find the Kahn info in the AM > Stereo "files" section of this board... > > What's the name of the specific file? In the PDF directory, there is "Cam-D.pdf", which is essentially the same as the first (April 2003) petition in the FCC subfolder of the Cam-D folder of "lrkahn''s Yahoo! Briefcase. (The TinyURL link below takes you right to the contents of the Cam-D folder. The FCC subfolder from there contains both the April and September FCC petitions concerning Cam-D from Kahn.) > http://tinyurl.com/ytjuy Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Mon Jan 05 11:15:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49511 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 19:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 19:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 19:15:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 19:15:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 19:15:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1208 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Low Power AM petition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Here may be a chance to get both a LPAM service and an AM stereo renaissance. I'm forwarding a message from my friend William Walker: Scott: The FCC has now given the Baumgartner Petition a Docket Number (RM - 10803) and is currently taking comments on it. Could you please file comments in favor? Our LPAM Team has made some changes like asking for a 24/7 broadcast schedule vs. a limited 8 to 85 hour week that he asks for. We have also asked that Loading Coils be allowed otherwise the range will be limited to perhaps a mile on 30 watts and not much more with the 100 watt edition. Here are links to the Petition as well as a Template you may file if you choose not to add your own comments. The Template has the LPAM Team's position and comments on it. http://www.wilw.com/food_for_thought_one.htm http://www.wilw.com/amendment%20one.htm Please pass this along to anyone that will file comments in favor. Someone made an excellent suggestion (unfortunately after I filed) that we try for the inclusion of Stereo AM. Please add this to your comments and ask anyone else to do the same. Regards, William William C. Walker AM 1610 KWAQ http://www.kwaqam.com WaKeeney, Kansas From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 11:23:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29119 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 19:23:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 19:23:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 19:23:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 19:23:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 19:23:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 852 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.238 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1023 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > How ever, It has been pointed out that factory reconditioned > > exciter(s) are available IF the station cares to look.... > > They can also purchase a _brand new_ C-Quam exciter from Harris, B.E., > and possibly also Delta. In fact, at least one manufacturer _must_ > continue making new ones, because it is still an FCC requirement for > Expanded Band stations (who were assigned with a "Stereo Preference") > to broadcast in AM Stereo, so if a new one comes on the air, they'll > need some source for the equipment to broadcast in Stereo. Just for the record, there has never been mandatory AM stereo in the Expanded band; just a preference in application. The above has often been repeated here, but is incorrect on this matter. Sorry. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jan 05 11:32:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90730 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 19:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 19:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 19:32:35 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.50]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:32:35 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:30:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Digest Number 1023 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to agree with the mouse. If a station is applying for a spot in the EB, and let's say another station is applying for that same spot....fcc will give the application to the one who "promises" to go stereo. Mind you, I seriously doubt that either station is going to sign a legal binding contract putting in stone that they WILL be stereo. Since it is not a requirement by the FCC a station can easily say to the fcc "well yeah we had planned on it, but we found out it's too expensive and we're on a limited budget...yadda yadda" and I'm sure the FCC would say "Ah, okay. That's fine." And unfortunately there are plenty of them out there that did just that. Told the FCC they'd be stereo so they could get the app, and then never did. I believe KXOL was one of them. I almost had them talked into going stereo and had even bought an exciter for them, but he didn't want to spend the money for another STL to go with his one mono STL. Those of us here on this list that have been here a while know that whole story. Anyways....no, it's not required nor do I think it ever will be unfortunately :( Coulda shoulda woulda's......too late now :( Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:24 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1023 . Just for the record, there has never been mandatory AM stereo in the Expanded band; just a preference in application. The above has often been repeated here, but is incorrect on this matter. Sorry. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Jan 05 11:41:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77135 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 19:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 19:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 19:41:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 19:41:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 19:41:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 22 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.21.11 Subject: List of AM stereo stations also in stereo via the net ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Anyone made a list ? From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Jan 05 11:43:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23602 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 19:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 19:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 19:43:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 19:43:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 19:43:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 71 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.21.11 Subject: How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Do any have have jingles and or ID's these days with that great word ? From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jan 05 12:35:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98780 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 20:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 20:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 20:35:08 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.50]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:35:08 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:33:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are some out there Dave. One I know of for sure is 1180 KOFI in Kalispell, Montana. At last check and for a while now it seems that their stereo is off. I need to write to them and ask them about it. I keep trying for a clear enough signal to see if the stereo will pop on. I also checked a few months ago with my SRF-42 (forced stereo) walkman to see if there was any separation but there wasn't at the time. Yet when the jock would open the mic he'd still say "AM Stereo 1180 K-O-F-I". And their jingles still sing "1180 AM STEREO...K-O-F-I". So I'm hoping this means they're still planning on fixing it (and it may already be fixed). Obviously the station I work for, where I installed the stereo equipment myself...KEVA Country AM Stereo 1240....I mention it every time I open the mic and then some. It's mentioned in everything we do. KEVA Country AM Stereo 1240. It is still very much in KAYS 1400 (Hays, KS) logos and so forth, although I haven't heard them mention it on the air. They have an online mono feed on the internet. I've heard KUPI 980 in Idaho Falls, Idaho mention "stereo" in some of their liners and stuff as well as KOUU in Pocatello, Idaho mention it. That's just a few out here in the west. I know also on the expanded band, I have heard 1650 KFOX from Torrence, CA mention it many times. I'm sure we'll hear more from the list here about others that are out there. Michael n Wyoming -----Original Message----- From: Dave [mailto:amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:43 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? Do any have have jingles and or ID's these days with that great word ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bjackson@indyradio.com Mon Jan 05 14:08:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73622 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 22:08:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 22:08:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 22:08:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 22:08:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 22:08:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.108.210.98 Subject: Re: How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > Do any have have jingles and or ID's these days with that great word ? I know of at least two... 1390 WZZB in Seymour, IN owned by Susquehanna is a hot AC...I have an aircheck from a Carver tx-11a at http://iw1.indyweb.net/~bjackson And down here near my new location of Dothan, AL there is WOPP 1290 doing a New Hit Country format that mentions stereo in the legal ID. - Brad Jackson - Afternoon Drive/Imaging - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jan 05 14:39:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96751 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 22:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 22:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 22:39:17 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.50]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:38:53 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:37:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cool stuff Brad Hadn't downloaded and listened to the WZZB air check. Man that sounds great!! This is the kinda stuff that proves analog sounds better than IBOCrap. I'm sure part of that also is to the good sound of the TX-11B Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: bradleyj923 [mailto:bjackson@indyradio.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 3:09 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > Do any have have jingles and or ID's these days with that great word ? I know of at least two... 1390 WZZB in Seymour, IN owned by Susquehanna is a hot AC...I have an aircheck from a Carver tx-11a at http://iw1.indyweb.net/~bjackson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Jan 05 15:09:52 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From bratina501@msn.com Mon Jan 05 15:45:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23006 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 23:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 23:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 23:45:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 23:44:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 23:44:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 298 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.77 Subject: Re: How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > Do any have have jingles and or ID's these days with that great word ? KLOG in Longview mentions that in their slogan "stereo 1490 KLOG" and KGHO which went mono in October 2003 mentioned that in their top of the hour ID. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 15:48:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65194 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 23:48:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 23:48:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 23:48:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 23:48:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 23:48:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 705 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.102 Subject: Re: How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > Do any have have jingles and or ID's these days with that great > word ? WWBF in Bartow/Winter Haven, Fla. 1130 AM says "AM Stereo" on every Top of Hour ID...They also have a jingle, but, ironically, both are on their hard drive, which, sadly, is Mono..Satellite feed and music is in glorious Stereo, though. Then you have the jerks, like WONN/1230 in Lakeland that used to be Stereo, but are now Mono, but mention "Stereo" as if they still were, when they are no longer. And Bob Carter tells me of a couple up his way that mention "AM Stereo", and have never been...WRHC/1550 here in Miami does that as well. --Tony S. From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jan 05 16:14:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37196 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 00:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 00:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 00:14:51 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.50]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:14:51 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:13:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lol :) Nah, I guess the man is okay. Then again I can't talk. I don't think I'm anything too special on the air either. MJR -----Original Message----- From: Dave [mailto:amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 4:10 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Cool stuff Brad > Hadn't downloaded and listened to the WZZB air check. Man that sounds > great!! Does the Man sound great though if you know what I mean ? > This is the kinda stuff that proves analog sounds better than IBOCrap. I'm > sure part of that also is to the good sound of the TX-11B > > > Michael n WYO > > -----Original Message----- > From: bradleyj923 [mailto:bjackson@i...] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 3:09 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" > wrote: > > Do any have have jingles and or ID's these days with that great > word ? > > I know of at least two... > > 1390 WZZB in Seymour, IN owned by Susquehanna is a hot AC...I have > an aircheck from a Carver tx-11a at http://iw1.indyweb.net/~bjackson > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ b.. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bjackson@indyradio.com Mon Jan 05 16:20:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45561 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 00:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 00:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 00:20:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 00:20:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 00:20:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 571 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.108.210.98 Subject: Re: How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > lol :) > Nah, I guess the man is okay. Then again I can't talk. I don't think I'm > anything too special on the air either. > > MJR > Remember, while WZZB is owned by a "Big Boy" (Susquehanna), it is in an unrated market...about an hour south of Indianapolis, IN. I plan on getting an aircheck of WOPP doing country here in Alabama...If you think the jock on WZZB is bad :-) Opp, Al...Population of about 2500!!! - Brad Jackson - Afternoon Drive/Imaging - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Jan 05 16:36:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64856 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 00:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 00:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.111) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 00:36:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:36:50 -0800 Received: from 172.143.179.253 by bay7-dav7.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 00:36:49 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:25:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2004 00:36:50.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C55B470:01C3D3ED] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.111 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.143.179.253] Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Dave wrote: > Do any have have jingles and or ID's these days with that great word ? Stereo 1490 WPCI Greenville, South Carolina Thay have a Harris MW1A with the Harris Stereo Kit, A BE exciter that was converted from Harris to Motorola C-QUAM, and CRL processing. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 16:51:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64209 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 00:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 00:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 00:51:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20040106005137.21883.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.69] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:51:37 PST Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:51:37 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.81 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- wgliradio wrote: > I am not a big fan of the 3DX50 series of > transmitters (probably > because they were design for the express purpose of > shoving IBOC > down our throat). I hate to be really mean, but that's just total nonsense. The 3DX series is FAR better than the DX series. The DX series is 1987 technology. > The DX and Gates series were great transmitters and > WGN could have > easily purchased new equipment to keep the stereo > on. The Gates series were the most awful sounding crap I have heard. It's nothing more than a warmed over SX series. 5% distortion built in with the GATES world famous Fuzzzy sound. And plagued with bugs. And obsolete transistors. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 16:54:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34137 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 00:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 00:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 00:54:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20040106005433.7364.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.69] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:54:33 PST Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:54:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1023 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > They can also purchase a _brand new_ C-Quam exciter > from Harris, B.E., > and possibly also Delta. In fact, at least one > manufacturer _must_ > continue making new ones, because it is still an FCC > requirement for > Expanded Band stations (who were assigned with a > "Stereo Preference") > to broadcast in AM Stereo, so if a new one comes on > the air, they'll > need some source for the equipment to broadcast in > Stereo. Um NO, it was NEVER a requirement, but those who agreed to do so got special preference. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jan 05 17:33:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50796 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 01:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 01:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 01:33:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 01:33:26 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57079 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 21:57:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 21:57:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 21:57:49 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.e6.44e26bf0 (4340); Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:57:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:57:36 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: ccuff@in4web.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.8 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Kenwood AR-304 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 06 Jan 2004 01:33:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 I did manage to pick up a new receiver...a Kenwood AR-304. Could an AR series receiver be converted to AM Stereo, too? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jan 05 17:33:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12953 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 01:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 01:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 01:33:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 01:33:48 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78331 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 23:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 23:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 23:16:06 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.143.1f8bde2e (3858) for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:15:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <143.1f8bde2e.2d2b4a28@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:15:52 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.37 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 06 Jan 2004 01:33:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 WESL 1490 East St. Louis, IL occasionally mentions "Super Soul 14-AM Stereo 1490 WESL" or "AM Stereo 1490 WESL". This station has an R&B Oldies format, and sounds like they're transitioning from the cheap carts purchased from Clear Channel to CDs. I also heard a station on 830 in full AM Stereo with a Spanish AC format...I'm thinking WADU Norco/New Orleans. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Jan 05 17:36:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74969 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 01:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 01:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 01:36:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 01:36:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:36:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040106005137.21883.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1198 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > I hate to be really mean, but that's just total > nonsense. The 3DX series is FAR better than the DX > series. The DX series is 1987 technology. Some engineers will just buy anything the manufacturer's sell, including that digital is always better etc etc. Alas, Harris is not what it used to be. The DX series was a well designed transmitter. The 3DX series was designed for the sole purpose of passing IBOC. While the audio is pristine, I am wary of all the software based controls and in this case, would prefer Nautel (especially for higher powered situations). > The Gates series were the most awful sounding crap I > have heard. It's nothing more than a warmed over SX > series. The SX transmitters were the first design to really pass quality audio for the band. The HARRIS Gares series (which IS what I mean, not good old no-mod pre-Intertype Gates) are the best transmitters ever made for the class. I don't know what you're listening to, but I have NEVER heard a HARRIS Gates series transmitter that didn't sound exceptional with a 9100 and a properly tuned antenna system. From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jan 05 17:45:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77045 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 01:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 01:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 01:45:22 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i061hAJK016430 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:43:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3FFA1361.9010809@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:46:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20040106005137.21883.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040106005137.21883.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very Interesting.... My Gates One backup sounds just as good as my DX-10. sometimes I wonder If it actually sounds better than the DX-10. Either way WTTM sounds great... with either transmitter Yes I am biased LOL Neal Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >--- wgliradio wrote: > > >>I am not a big fan of the 3DX50 series of >>transmitters (probably >>because they were design for the express purpose of >>shoving IBOC >>down our throat). >> >> > > >I hate to be really mean, but that's just total >nonsense. The 3DX series is FAR better than the DX >series. The DX series is 1987 technology. > > > > > > >>The DX and Gates series were great transmitters and >>WGN could have >>easily purchased new equipment to keep the stereo >>on. >> >> > > >The Gates series were the most awful sounding crap I >have heard. It's nothing more than a warmed over SX >series. 5% distortion built in with the GATES world >famous Fuzzzy sound. And plagued with bugs. >And obsolete transistors. > > > > >Powell > > > >===== >powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Jan 05 17:48:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55948 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 01:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 01:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 01:48:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 01:48:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:48:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3FFA1361.9010809@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 439 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > Very Interesting.... My Gates One backup sounds just as good as my DX-10. > sometimes I wonder If it actually sounds better than the DX-10. Either > way WTTM sounds great... > with either transmitter > Yes I am biased > LOL > Neal I think HE thought I was talking about the OLD Gates rigs. No comparison to the DX or Nautel (or BE) transmitters of today. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 17:48:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77247 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 01:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 01:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 01:48:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 01:48:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:48:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2184 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.6 Subject: Re: Expanded Band AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Just for the record, there has never been mandatory AM stereo in > the Expanded band; just a preference in application. The above has > often been repeated here, but is incorrect on this matter. Sorry. I asked the FCC about that a while back, and I actually did get a response. The jist of it was that the FCC doesn't bother to check if an Expanded Band station with a "Stereo Preference" is actually broadcasting in AM Stereo or not, but if such a station is not, then a properly-documented complaint _can_ be filed with the FCC. They didn't say if such a complaint might actually result in the station being required to broadcast in AM Stereo, but at least the matter would be brought to the FCC's and the station's attention. Here's the exact response I received: "Enforcement, technically would be done by our Enforcement Bureau, not the Media Bureau. If you want to make complaints against specific stations, you should document your case and submit it to them. Every expanded band station received a comparative benefit in the process of identifying stations eligible to receive expanded band allotments by making the stereo pledge back in the early-mid nineties. This is a difficult issue. Most of these stations are talk/sports. Moreover, we may be close to the Commission moving forward on IBOC as the AM and FM terrestrial digital audio broadcasting transmission standard." And, from a follow-up: "Certainly, there is an element of discretion in what the Enforcement Bureau investigates. You increase your chances for action by submitting well documented facts and an affidavit that everything contained in the complaint is true to the best of your knowledge and belief. I simply do not know whether the lack of consumer acceptance of AM stereo would influence EB's evaluation of this kind of complaint. It is a little premature to comment on the AM IBOC testing. Although skywave issues may not have been carefully tested, the Commission needs to wait until the NRSC submits its report and we review public comment on the results." These comments were from FCC Audio Services Division Deputy Chief Peter Doyle, in March 2002. From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Jan 05 18:02:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42778 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 02:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 02:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 02:02:36 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040106020233.WPBI17405.fed1mtao07.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:02:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:02:34 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <64E5E5A2-3FEC-11D8-A02E-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.124 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Expanded Band AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Where do we send comments? If they get enough of them, it may make a=20 difference for final rulemaking. On Monday, January 5, 2004, at 05:48 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > It is a little premature to comment on the AM IBOC testing.=A0 Although > skywave issues may not have been carefully tested, the Commission > needs to wait until the NRSC submits its report and we review public > comment on the results." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 18:07:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11156 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 02:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 02:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 02:07:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 02:07:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 02:07:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 524 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.6 Subject: Re: WZZB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If you think the jock on WZZB is bad :-) Opp, Al...Population of > about 2500!!! I think the jocks on WZZB are fine... it's just the one who thinks he's on "WuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuZZB" that needs some more practice on how to pronounce call letters properly. :-) Thankfully, I don't hear that kind of fake, stuffy, sing-songy "DJ voice" on the air that much anymore, but it's still funny to hear some farm boy from Indiana get on the mike at a 1000-watt AM station and act as if he's Scott Shannon or Larry Lujack. :-) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 18:10:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72147 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 02:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 02:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 02:10:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20040106021017.39749.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 18:10:17 PST Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:10:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.72 From: "John P." Subject: Re: How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey MJR - don't you mention "AM Stereo" when you ID your station on your morning show? When CFCO was only AM (3 years+) they used to have a spot: "Crusin the 401 with you - in AM Stereo too, Classic Gold 630, CFCO". In pre-Clear Channel days, WSPD used to have real-live DJ's with a TOH ID with: "1370 WSPD Toledo AM Stereo; it's __o'clock". WFOB Fostoria's TOH ID (until 6 weeks ago) was "This is AM Stereo 1430, WFOB Fostoria/Bowling Green - it's __o'clock". Gosh, how I wish it was 1988 on the radio again! Broadcasters should worry about Satellite Radio / not IBOC crap - becuase it's the programming stupid! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 18:15:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59845 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 02:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 02:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 02:15:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 02:15:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 02:15:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 724 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.6 Subject: WGN's web site still mentions AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From http://wgnradio.com/special/world/PanamaCityBeach.htm : "Our very own Steve King & Johnnie Putman verify that they've heard WGN loud and clear from Panama City Beach, Florida. They've got a home there, and friends who listen regularly. Steve reports that the signal is often strong enough for the AM Stereo light to illuminate on their car radio when they've been there on vacation." Also, from http://wgnradio.com/shows/steve_johnnie/links2002.htm : "(5.9/10.02) * For information on an am-stereo radio receiver - www.fanfare.com" And, WGN's "unofficial" site mentions it too: http://westwood.fortunecity.com/vivienne/589/masternet/wgnradio.htm "720 khz. 50,000 watts 24hour non-directional am stereo." From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 18:18:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24976 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 02:18:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 02:18:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 02:18:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20040106021803.12079.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.125] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 18:18:03 PST Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:18:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.88 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- wgliradio wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > I hate to be really mean, but that's just total > > nonsense. The 3DX series is FAR better than the DX > > series. The DX series is 1987 technology. > > Some engineers will just buy anything the > manufacturer's sell, > including that digital is always better etc etc. > Alas, Harris is not > what it used to be. The DX series was a well > designed transmitter. > The 3DX series was designed for the sole purpose of > passing IBOC. I hate to burst your bubble, but the 3DX series has far lower distortion than the DX, and is far FAR easier to work on, is smaller and is a big improvement. The Nautel that has low distortion is similar. > While the audio is pristine, I am wary of all the > software based > controls and in this case, would prefer Nautel > (especially for higher > powered situations). The lower powered Nautel are fuzzy to some extent like the SX and the now discontinued GATES series. > > The Gates series were the most awful sounding crap > I > > have heard. It's nothing more than a warmed over > SX > > series. > > The SX transmitters were the first design to really > pass quality > audio for the band. The HARRIS Gares series (which > IS what I mean, > not good old no-mod pre-Intertype Gates) are the > best transmitters > ever made for the class. No they are NOT. Minimum distortion ACTUALLY is in the 5% range, and got a raking over in a radio magazine, to their displeasure. I don't know what you're > listening to, but > I have NEVER heard a HARRIS Gates series transmitter > that didn't > sound exceptional with a 9100 and a properly tuned > antenna system. WBCU in Union SC has one, and it's tuned well. It has NEVER sounded as good as its replacement, a BTA 1R1. WCRS just retired their BTA 1R1 and 1R3 for a Gates 1. Same 9100 and it definately sounds inferior. Gary Robinson, at WVOC CE says (sigh!) the RCA BTA-5 as standby sounds so much better than his Gates 5 even with N/T. WCAM's SX-1 doesn't actually sound that bad, but WDOG's Omnitronix sounds as good as FM. But my friend fiddled around with the 9200, and I fooled a whole BUNCH of folks into thinking it was their FM, (I used the SRF-42a to record with). The BE's sound far superior to the SX and Gates series. > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 18:20:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82744 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 02:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 02:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 02:20:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20040106022025.87560.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.125] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 18:20:25 PST Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:20:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3FFA1361.9010809@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Neal Newman wrote: > Very Interesting.... My Gates One backup sounds just > as good as my DX-10. > sometimes I wonder If it actually sounds better than > the DX-10. Either > way WTTM sounds great... > with either transmitter > Yes I am biased > LOL > Neal BTW the Gates series, and to somewhat extent had a weird problem with electrolytic capacitor failure. If they get sloshy (they will slosh if you shake them) they need to be changed. This was a thread on radio-tech sometime back. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 18:21:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39061 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 02:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 02:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 02:21:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20040106022143.84053.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.125] by web60104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 18:21:43 PST Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:21:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.83 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- wgliradio wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman > > wrote: > > Very Interesting.... My Gates One backup sounds > just as good as my > DX-10. > > sometimes I wonder If it actually sounds better > than the DX-10. > Either > > way WTTM sounds great... > > with either transmitter > > Yes I am biased > > LOL > > Neal > > I think HE thought I was talking about the OLD Gates > rigs. No > comparison to the DX or Nautel (or BE) transmitters > of today. No I wasn't. Actually with good tubes some of those BC-1 [letter] transmitters could sound REALLY good. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Jan 05 19:14:25 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Jan 05 19:21:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48367 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 03:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 03:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 03:21:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 03:21:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 03:21:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040106022143.84053.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 586 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > No I wasn't. Actually with good tubes some of those > BC-1 [letter] transmitters could sound REALLY good. > > Powell Some were dogs as well: http://www.wa2fnq.hamradios.com/xmtrs2.jpg This BC5P (with the RCA phasor) was not nearly as clean as the nighttime CCA 1000D that was next to it. At least that could make 125% positive. The Gates was best known for the 90% positive it could barely tolerate. In the good old days, RCA and then later Continental were THE Caddy rigs of choice. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Jan 05 19:25:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21706 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 03:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 03:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 03:25:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 03:25:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 03:25:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040106022025.87560.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1704 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > I hate to burst your bubble, but the 3DX series has > far lower distortion than the DX, and is far FAR > easier to work on, is smaller and is a big > improvement. I never questioned it's audio performance of the rig, just the reliability. The Nautel that has low distortion is > similar. > The newer Nautel rigs I really like. > > The lower powered Nautel are fuzzy to some extent like > the SX and the now discontinued GATES series. I have had bad experiences with older Nautel rigs that were 10kw and less. > > No they are NOT. Minimum distortion ACTUALLY is in the > 5% range, and got a raking over in a radio magazine, > to their displeasure. > I'd like to see the article. I've NEVER seen that in my experiences with the rig. And the Gates series has not been discontinued as far as I know http://www.broadcast.harris.com/product_portfolio/product_details.asp? sku=WWWGATESMW > > The BE's sound far superior to the SX and Gates > series. I actually like the SX over the BE that's seen in this pic: http://www.bostonradio.org/radio/digicam/2003-01/nyc/100-00864-lrg.jpg This was taken last year when we first started to overhaul WNYG. The Harris is still the backup and the BE is the main, but I think the Harris sounds a bit better on the air. The BE has a negative peak clipper built in that's adjustable, but, to me, the audio is a bit more clippy than the Harris (which was rebuilt in 2000). Yes, that is a Gregg Labs processor on the air (with NRSC mod). The 9000 is dead and the CRL and McMartin limiter were part of an old backup chain that was being removed as the rack was being rewired. From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Jan 05 19:32:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78609 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 03:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 03:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.94) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 03:32:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:32:35 -0800 Received: from 172.175.41.243 by bay7-dav37.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 03:32:35 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040106005137.21883.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:22:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2004 03:32:35.0976 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA2A3880:01C3D405] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.94 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.175.41.243] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > The Gates series were the most awful sounding crap I have heard. It's nothing more than a warmed over SX series. Both the SX and Gates series CAN be good sounding transmitters.....not the best, but sound much better than the other transmitters of the 1980s. Just NOBODY will take the time to set them up and work the bugs out. The reason the SX transmitters sound bad in this market is the owners are too cheap to FIX them! Once upon a time, in the early 90s, I had the WFIS SX1-A sounding real good. At the time, it was the best sounding station on the dial. > > 5% distortion built in with the GATES world famous Fuzzzy sound. While the Gates transmitters of old didn't sound as good as the RCAs, the BC1G could be a real sweet sounding box when tuned up right and with a fresh set of RCA "Fire Bottles" > > And plagued with bugs. Never did get all of the bugs worked out with the SX1 at WFIS or WPJM. The ribbon cables were junk, and the PC boards have bad solder joints and cracked foil traces from the factory. They also had a rotten design for the oscillator board, the Status / Display board, and the first generation of PA boards just loved to blow the PAs. > > And obsolete transistors. So far, I have not run into a transistor on a Harris that I couldn't find a NTE replacement for...But it would be "fun" to try to find those ICs on the boards! Kevin From bjackson@indyradio.com Mon Jan 05 19:49:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29311 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 03:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 03:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 03:49:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 03:49:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 03:49:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 916 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.108.218.58 Subject: Re: WZZB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I think the jocks on WZZB are fine... it's just the one who thinks > he's on "WuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuZZB" that needs some more practice on > how to pronounce call letters properly. :-) > > Thankfully, I don't hear that kind of fake, stuffy, sing-songy "DJ > voice" on the air that much anymore, but it's still funny to hear > some farm boy from Indiana get on the mike at a 1000-watt AM station > and act as if he's Scott Shannon or Larry Lujack. :-) Hey now, you're making fun of my home town radio station :-) Actually, it's quite funny because they have hometown local guys on AM & PM drive, and much more polished Jones Network people in all other day parts. I'm just glad that (now since I live in Bama) when I go home I can still hear Dave Matthews in C-Quam! - Brad Jackson - Afternoon Drive/Imaging - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Jan 05 20:07:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72392 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 04:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 04:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 04:07:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:07:37 -0800 Received: from 172.175.41.243 by bay7-dav22.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 04:07:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:57:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2004 04:07:37.0837 (UTC) FILETIME=[9EF8C1D0:01C3D40A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.79 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.175.41.243] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 wgliradio wrote: > This BC5P (with the RCA phasor) was not nearly as clean as the nighttime CCA 1000D that was next to it. At least that could make 125% positive. The Gates was best known for the 90% positive it could barely tolerate. The Gates BC5H at WQOK 1440 (Now WGVL) would ROCK! With the Optimod 9000 driving it, it would "hang" the mod monitor on 150% Positive! > > In the good old days, RCA and then later Continental were THE Caddy rigs of choice. Well the RCA 5KW Ampliphase was not exactly audiophile quality! I never did like the sound of the Continental 50KW rigs. Now that old Westinghouse at WOWO sounded good, so did the MW50. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 21:16:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 981 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 05:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 05:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 05:16:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20040106051617.14837.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.73] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 21:16:17 PST Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:16:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- wgliradio wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > I hate to burst your bubble, but the 3DX series > has > > far lower distortion than the DX, and is far FAR > > easier to work on, is smaller and is a big > > improvement. > > I never questioned it's audio performance of the > rig, just the > reliability. BOTH DX-10's here in this market have had problems with modules blowing. > The Nautel that has low distortion is > > similar. > > > > The newer Nautel rigs I really like. > > > > > > The lower powered Nautel are fuzzy to some extent > like > > the SX and the now discontinued GATES series. > > I have had bad experiences with older Nautel rigs > that were 10kw and > less. > > > > > No they are NOT. Minimum distortion ACTUALLY is in > the > > 5% range, and got a raking over in a radio > magazine, > > to their displeasure. > > > > I'd like to see the article. I've NEVER seen that > in my experiences > with the rig. And the Gates series has not been > discontinued as far > as I know the new DAX series takes its place. And even in the latest Gates series, the output transistors in the modules will be discontinued VERY shortly. > > > > > The BE's sound far superior to the SX and Gates > > series. > > I actually like the SX over the BE that's seen in > this pic: > > http://www.bostonradio.org/radio/digicam/2003-01/nyc/100-00864- > med.html But then, the Omnitronix sounds even better. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From bjackson@indyradio.com Mon Jan 05 21:16:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94431 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 05:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 05:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 05:16:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 05:16:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 05:16:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 156 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.108.210.98 Subject: Message? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 OK...Either it's too late at night and time for me to sleep, or message 15093 is missing...But it was there a minute ago!?! Must be time to sleep :-) -B From bjackson@indyradio.com Mon Jan 05 21:18:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98153 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 05:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 05:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 05:18:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 05:18:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 05:18:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040106021017.39749.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 331 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.108.210.98 Subject: Re: How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > WFOB Fostoria's TOH ID (until 6 weeks ago) was "This is AM Stereo 1430, WFOB > Fostoria/Bowling Green - it's __o'clock". > OK...I'll bite. What happened at WFOB? Their www site still has them as AM Stereo: http://www.wfob.com/home.html - Brad From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 21:21:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71234 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 05:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 05:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 05:21:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20040106052117.32216.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.73] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 21:21:17 PST Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:21:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > The Gates series were the most awful sounding crap > I have heard. It's > nothing more than a warmed over SX series. > > Both the SX and Gates series CAN be good sounding > transmitters.....not the > best, but sound much better than the other > transmitters of the 1980s. Just > NOBODY will take the time to set them up and work > the bugs out. The reason > the SX transmitters sound bad in this market is the > owners are too cheap to > FIX them! Once upon a time, in the early 90s, I had > the WFIS SX1-A sounding > real good. At the time, it was the best sounding > station on the dial. There's the Gates fuzz. A lot of people can't hear it but you can if you listen on a goooood radio. > > 5% distortion built in with the GATES world > famous Fuzzzy sound. > > While the Gates transmitters of old didn't sound as > good as the RCAs, the > BC1G could be a real sweet sounding box when tuned > up right and with a fresh > set of RCA "Fire Bottles" Yep > > And plagued with bugs. > > Never did get all of the bugs worked out with the > SX1 at WFIS or WPJM. The > ribbon cables were junk, and the PC boards have bad > solder joints and > cracked foil traces from the factory. They also had > a rotten design for the > oscillator board, the Status / Display board, and > the first generation of PA > boards just loved to blow the PAs. > > > > And obsolete transistors. > So far, I have not run into a transistor on a Harris > that I couldn't find a > NTE replacement for...But it would be "fun" to try > to find those ICs on the > boards! > Kevin You CAN find replacements, but you have to replace ALL of the transistors in a module otherwise. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jan 05 21:42:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48571 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 05:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 05:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 05:42:23 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i065eBJK017693 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 00:40:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3FFA4ADB.1080601@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 00:42:51 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20040106051617.14837.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040106051617.14837.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hey Powell I never had a module on my DX -10 Blow.. However I have Blown fuses on the modules this was during the period my modulation Meter was out for repair when I first took over the station. when I Borrowed a Meter from another station to setup the modulation I found it was over the limit. I mean really over the limit. Once I set up the modulation Levels on the stereo exciter. and then the DX-10 to the present 125% I have never blown another fuse. I did have a power supply failure shortly after the north east Blackout last year. I believe it was caused by the rapid On/off of each of the Phase Legs on the incoming electric service. Other than that. I love the DX-10 it just keeps running Like a Timex.... If they are blowing modules I would have them Check 2 Items... Their ground system and their modulation.... I was at my site one night during a storm when I felt my hair stand on end then BANG. the tower took a direct hit the DX-10 shut down and recycled within 5 seconds it was back online everything was Fine I was scared out of my mind. but ok. If the ground system was not good I probably would not be here today. Lots of ground straps out to the main field from the transmitter building My guess is that the lightning was dissipated. by the Ground system and never made it to the Building. I believe the transmitter cycled because it saw a momentary high SWR. I could be wrong, But that's what I believe. Its an Engineering problem at those stations. not the DX-10 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >BOTH DX-10's here in this market have had problems >with modules blowing. > > > > > > From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Jan 05 22:38:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77577 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 06:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 06:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 06:38:24 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.59.29df483 (18555) for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 01:38:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <59.29df483.2d2bb1d7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 01:38:15 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.101 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/5/04 9:20:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.com= =20 writes: > Gary Robinson, at WVOC CE says (sigh!) the RCA BTA-5 > as standby sounds so much better than his Gates 5 even > with N/T.=20=20 >=20 Just by chance,does he wear a hearing aid in one or both ears? lol Who is the one that setup the processing on WVOC? When I heard WVOC last=20 summer while driving through Columbia,I found it hard to listen to for any = length=20 of mileage. I'm to spoiled by my own bright,clear and loud processing here I suppose. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Jan 05 22:48:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94848 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 06:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 06:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.95) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 06:48:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:48:56 -0800 Received: from 172.175.41.243 by bay7-dav38.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 06:48:55 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040106052117.32216.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 01:38:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2004 06:48:56.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[27B3A600:01C3D421] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.95 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.175.41.243] Subject: Re: {AMSF} transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > There's the Gates fuzz. A lot of people can't hear it but you can if you listen on a goooood radio. Like I said, Once upon a time, I had most of that "Gates Fuzz" tuned out of that SX1A. It took many nights of playing with it after sign off. Last year, the new owner of the station wouldn't let me take it off the air long enough to tune it right. He also wouldn't let me change the bad caps in it. I understand now he upgraded to the BE, but is running in Mono. > > > You CAN find replacements, but you have to replace ALL of the transistors in a module otherwise. Right, ALL of the PAs and IPAs have to match. BTW, changing all of the PAs to NTEs will go a LONG way towards getting rid of the fuzz. The AM Stereo kit helps the audio of the MW1 by a good bit too. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 23:47:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98297 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 07:47:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 07:47:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 07:47:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 07:47:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 07:47:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 449 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.6 Subject: Re: Message? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > OK...Either it's too late at night and time for me to sleep, or > message 15093 is missing...But it was there a minute ago!?! I didn't touch it, so either it's a system glitch, or whoever wrote that message went back and deleted it. And guys, this whole "my transmitter is better than yours!" argument is getting a bit tiresome. Suffice it to say that every engineer has his own personal favorites, as well as his own personal pet peeves! From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Jan 06 04:20:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88710 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 12:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 12:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 12:20:10 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-78-192-226.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.78.192.226]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i06CK9ri072458 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 05:20:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <006c01c3d44f$6ed73b90$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 07:20:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WZZB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Hey now, you're making fun of my home town radio station :-) > Actually, it's quite funny because they have hometown local guys on > AM & PM drive, and much more polished Jones Network people in all > other day parts. > > I'm just glad that (now since I live in Bama) when I go home I can > still hear Dave Matthews in C-Quam! I knew you'd be cryin' and wanting to come back to God's Country soon, not not soon! Every day I jump into my Beastymobile and fire up the Delco, the first thing I do is check to see if WZZB is still broadcasting in C-Quam. I love it... The music and airchain are beyond any other station I've heard since WHAS stopped laying music in stereo. Bob Hawkins is the engineer and put the airchain together and I've said a hundred times on this forum that WZZB sounds as good as many FM's. I also like to listen to the jocks. I will never make fun of another jock for content if he/she is trying to do something different. Indiana, Ohio and Kentucky music stations all sound alike... Even locally (we're a small market with 6 FM's and 1 AM, not including WZZB, which is 20 miles down I-65) most of the jocks are card readers and personality is nonexistent. Brad...I don't know if you remember Shawn McCaullife ("The Madman") who worked for Y105 when they were Hot AC under Devin Marsh, but Madman oozed with personality. He really believed that people listened to Y-105 just to hear him, and some of his breaks would roll into the 5 minute range. He'd even do a 90 second dry backsell/frontsell between 2 records. When Y-105 got sold and flipped to oldies, he left and we hired him to do Saturday nights on our Hot AC. We put more restrictions on him but he still thinks it's all about "him". I've come to the conclusion that maybe it IS! Id rather listen to him than any of the other local jocks or even the Indianapolis jocks. He's different. He comes in and does 4 to 5o hour to prep for a 6 hour airshift. If I played an aircheck of him here, people would flame him big-time for breaking Radio 101 Basics, but I listen to him just to see what's he's gonna do next. But remember this Brad, I get to hear Dave Matthews in AM Stereo every single day! From amstereo@optushome.com.au Tue Jan 06 04:39:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10878 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 12:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 12:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail015.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.161) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 12:39:51 -0000 Received: from athlon (c210-49-74-241.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.74.241]) by mail015.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id i06Cdng12497 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:39:49 +1100 Message-ID: <002401c3d452$471aeea0$2302a8c0@athlon> To: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 22:40:33 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 211.29.132.161 From: "amstereo" Subject: recipie for weekend radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 stations listed are gold-coast / ipswich qld australia As a listener to radio, i always find weekend radio to be the most annoying cause it always sounds like its a half assed job that is there to fill air. take river 949 for instance, they run a 3 hour voice tracked (feels like it) playlist each day, repeated. this is not what i listen to radio for, What i like on radio over the weekends is a staffed job (dj on air over the weekend at least until 6pm) with a mix of music 70's to today with a twist on the regular weekly formated playlist - add a few tracks that are normally skipped / forgotten just to give it a more homely feel. bugger all Rap, but a smooth mix of everything else. psudo AC / HOT40 format. the rule here is there has to be someone in there doing it and it has to be live. and also keep the repeats to nil - trust me, there is enough music to fill a day playlist with out a problem (170 128kbit mp3 tracks gives 12 hours of contiuous music, so there is no reasson you can't fit 200 tracks over a 24 hour day) with dj contact and even pick the song - score a cd type comps. and short well spaced ad breaks you should have no problem remember it is the weekend. people are in and out of the house, in the car getting around, you want to give us a reason for listening without getting bored with stuff that is either overplayed (burnt out) during the week, or is just tacky - corny 80's tracks are out and nothing to complex - hard rock style of music or music that just sounds too noisy. this type of tracks don't go down too well esp on the weekends. treat it like it's too hot so keep the tunes cooled down. Not so much an easy listening format but the easy / smooth style. It's the weekend, we want to relax, the racey stuff is for the work week not weekend. remember i am only a listener, i just know what feels right and what i'd listen to on radio. I'm multi formated i like a 60's to todays mix of heaps of tracks dance / pop / soft rock - chillies are out - / smooth jazz come pop / and just stuff that doesn't make you want to turn the radio off. you may not like this idea, but i am a type of listener that likes a variety that spans a huge format list, but too much of each type together or repeats just shit me. if the music is constantly changing and is different i'll listen all day, 1029 hot tomato is my favorite for weekend listening. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 06:03:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25623 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 14:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 14:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 14:03:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20040106140329.9709.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 06:03:29 PST Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 06:03:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.151 From: "John P." Subject: WFOB in Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Brad wrote: "OK...I'll bite. What happened at WFOB? Their www site still has them as AM Stereo: http://www.wfob.com/home.html " Let's see, they dropped the afternoon syndicated talk show and ADDED country music, and then turned-OFF the stereo AM. I've gotten two stories from others: 1:Supposedly the stereo hardware is beyond repair -or- 2:They will get better coverage with mono. Both are not what we want to hear. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 06:05:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82851 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 14:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 14:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 14:05:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20040106140545.36668.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 06:05:45 PST Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 06:05:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: 920AM Columbus, OH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Can anybody on the list receive 920AM out of Columbus, Ohio? Driving in their area I was amazed at the terrific stereo audio with tons of bass and crisp sound. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jan 06 06:42:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88529 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 14:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 14:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 14:42:37 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.168.285fac63 (18555) for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:42:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <168.285fac63.2d2c2357@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:42:31 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.99 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Low Power AM petition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/5/04 2:30:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, stodd@vippn.com= =20 writes: > Here are links to the Petition as well as a Template you may file if=20 > you choose not to add your own comments. The Template has the LPAM=20 > Team's position and comments on it.=20=20 >=20 > http://www.wilw.com/food_for_thought_one.htm >=20 > http://www.wilw.com/amendment%20one.htm >=20 I've summited my "cookie cutter" comments to the FCC......anyone else going= =20 to summit their 2 cents worth? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com -------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jan 06 07:47:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13288 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 15:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 15:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 15:47:18 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:47:18 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c3d46c$5d88f8c0$5401010a@AM> To: References: <20040106021017.39749.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:47:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yes, very much so! Every time I open the mic, the first thing out of my mouth is "KEVA Country AM Stereo 1240". Sometimes when I open the show or open the hour I'll say "....with more of your favorite country from yesterday and today in beautiful AM Stereo!" When I did the conversion in August of 2002, I posted a little sign right in front of the board that says " say KEVA Country AM STEREO 1240" so that when others are on the air or we're recording weather forecasts or whatever, it is mentioned. Our KEVA jingles do not sing it....they're old...from back in 1996 or so. But we did get a CD of new liners from the guys at the network (Jones Classic Hit Country) that has a whole slew of liners that all mention AM Stereo. I just need to put those together and put 'em in the computer. Here's the ironic thing that I love: Right now we are also simulcasting on 106.1 FM for the time being. We no longer own 106.1 KOTB...it was purchased by Marathon media a couple of years ago, and they haven't built the new site or anything yet....so for the time being we're just simulcasting KEVA over it so it's got something on the air. But alas, I have no stereo generator so the FM simulcast is 11khz MONO! Imagine that! The AM is stereo, and the FM is mono! :) Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:10 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? Hey MJR - don't you mention "AM Stereo" when you ID your station on your morning show? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 07:59:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21746 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 15:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 15:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 15:59:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 15:59:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:59:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 962 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: 1030 WBZ back in AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Early this morning, I tuned in Boston's 1030 WBZ and was surprised to hear them broadcasting in hi-fi AM Stereo, with full stereo separation on all the liners and commercials! That means they were probably on their Stereo-equipped backup transmitter, but the signal was rock-solid for the half-hour or so I listenined... no skywave fading at all. I'll check back again this evening to see if WBZ remains in AM Stereo, or if they switch back to their usual lo-fi IBOC signal. Perhaps it's just a pipe-dream to think of WBZ returning to full-time AM Stereo broadcasting, but you never know! By the way, as their engineer explained to me, 720 WGN's backup transmitter (a Harris DX-50) remains in AM Stereo, although they expect to be using the new mono main transmitter "98% of the time". Nevertheless, this means they join 1030 WBZ and also 650 WSM as another station which will sporadically return to AM Stereo whenever they use the backup rig. From bjackson@indyradio.com Tue Jan 06 08:39:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69148 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 16:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 16:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 16:39:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 16:39:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:39:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006c01c3d44f$6ed73b90$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 511 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.108.210.98 Subject: Re: WZZB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > I knew you'd be cryin' and wanting to come back to God's Country soon, not > not soon! *** snip *** > But remember this Brad, I get to hear Dave Matthews in AM Stereo every > single day! Yes, but I get to still play these things called CD's and carts on the air through our engineer's homemade audio processor :-) One station had a Rontimod...WKMX has a Terrytimod! - Brad Jackson - Afternoon Drive/Imaging - WKMX Dothan, AL From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 06 08:54:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35735 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 16:54:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 16:54:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 16:54:30 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004010616542901200fpbmfe>; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:54:29 +0000 To: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:54:37 -0500 Message-ID: <005301c3d475$c4a47440$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.56 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1030 WBZ back in AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn It's still stereo now at almost noon. I'll keep checking it this afternoon to see how long it stays on. The commercials sound great! Jeff Lehmann Hanson, mA -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:59 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} 1030 WBZ back in AM Stereo! Early this morning, I tuned in Boston's 1030 WBZ and was surprised to=20 hear them broadcasting in hi-fi AM Stereo, with full stereo separation=20 on all the liners and commercials! That means they were probably on their Stereo-equipped backup=20 transmitter, but the signal was rock-solid for the half-hour or so I=20 listenined... no skywave fading at all. I'll check back again this evening to see if WBZ remains in AM Stereo,=20 or if they switch back to their usual lo-fi IBOC signal.=A0 Perhaps it's=20 just a pipe-dream to think of WBZ returning to full-time AM Stereo=20 broadcasting, but you never know! By the way, as their engineer explained to me, 720 WGN's backup=20 transmitter (a Harris DX-50) remains in AM Stereo, although they=20 expect to be using the new mono main transmitter "98% of the time".=A0=20 Nevertheless, this means they join 1030 WBZ and also 650 WSM as=20 another station which will sporadically return to AM Stereo whenever=20 they use the backup rig. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ =A0=20 =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =A0=20 =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jan 06 08:57:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91814 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 16:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 16:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 16:57:38 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:57:37 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01c3d476$306dfd90$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:57:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WZZB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phew! Thanks Brad. I was gonna say the local guy really kinda stinks....but I was being careful. I didn't want you to write back to the list saying "Hey now, that's ME!". Kinda the same situation here. Small unrated market (12,000 people)...1kw graveyard station. We're only live in the morning drive....and that's my shift. Rest of the time it's the polished Jones Classic Hit Country format. Meanwhile our FM is live in both AM and PM. During the day we run Jones AC (same format as WZZB) and at night we run Jones Adult Hit Radio. But none of our local guys suck THAT bad :) I like to think we sound pretty good. At least it is still "small town radio" stuff. And the country on KEVA sounds great in C-quam! Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: bradleyj923 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 8:49 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: WZZB Hey now, you're making fun of my home town radio station :-) Actually, it's quite funny because they have hometown local guys on AM & PM drive, and much more polished Jones Network people in all other day parts. I'm just glad that (now since I live in Bama) when I go home I can still hear Dave Matthews in C-Quam! - Brad Jackson - Afternoon Drive/Imaging - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 06 09:07:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40796 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 17:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 17:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.202.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 17:07:52 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004010617075101600a99tve>; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:07:51 +0000 To: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:07:58 -0500 Message-ID: <005501c3d477$a2b12160$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005301c3d475$c4a47440$6400a8c0@AMD> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.64 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1030 WBZ back in AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn I just recorded a commercial and their top of hour ID in stereo. If anyone wants to hear it, just let me know, and I=92ll send the MP3. If anyone wants it for the FTP server or whatever, just let me know and I=92ll sent it. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Lehmann [mailto:jjlehmann@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 11:55 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1030 WBZ back in AM Stereo! It's still stereo now at almost noon. I'll keep checking it this afternoon to see how long it stays on. The commercials sound great! Jeff Lehmann Hanson, mA -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:59 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} 1030 WBZ back in AM Stereo! Early this morning, I tuned in Boston's 1030 WBZ and was surprised to=20 hear them broadcasting in hi-fi AM Stereo, with full stereo separation=20 on all the liners and commercials! That means they were probably on their Stereo-equipped backup=20 transmitter, but the signal was rock-solid for the half-hour or so I=20 listenined... no skywave fading at all. I'll check back again this evening to see if WBZ remains in AM Stereo,=20 or if they switch back to their usual lo-fi IBOC signal.=A0 Perhaps it's=20 just a pipe-dream to think of WBZ returning to full-time AM Stereo=20 broadcasting, but you never know! By the way, as their engineer explained to me, 720 WGN's backup=20 transmitter (a Harris DX-50) remains in AM Stereo, although they=20 expect to be using the new mono main transmitter "98% of the time".=A0=20 Nevertheless, this means they join 1030 WBZ and also 650 WSM as=20 another station which will sporadically return to AM Stereo whenever=20 they use the backup rig. 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Terms of Service.=20 From stodd@vippn.com Tue Jan 06 09:15:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8641 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 17:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 17:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 17:15:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 17:14:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:14:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040106022025.87560.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 573 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > BTW the Gates series, and to somewhat extent had a > weird problem with electrolytic capacitor failure. If > they get sloshy (they will slosh if you shake them) > they need to be changed. > > This was a thread on radio-tech sometime back. Yep- that was me. And if you have to replace the big ones, might as well go all the way and change the small ones too, because likely they'll be the next to go. Had to shotgun a whole Gates 5 to get it working again. Scott Todd From stodd@vippn.com Tue Jan 06 09:17:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52536 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 17:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 17:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 17:17:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 17:17:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:17:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 712 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > No I wasn't. Actually with good tubes some of those > > BC-1 [letter] transmitters could sound REALLY good. > > > > Powell > > Some were dogs as well: > > http://www.wa2fnq.hamradios.com/xmtrs2.jpg > > This BC5P (with the RCA phasor) was not nearly as clean as the > nighttime CCA 1000D that was next to it. Are you sure it was the transmitter and not the phasor which prevented the transmitter from working well? If they used different patterns day/night, it could be the night phasing design was better. Scott Todd From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Jan 06 09:32:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63790 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 17:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 17:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 17:32:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 17:32:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:32:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 594 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 68.161.31.111 Subject: WGLI phasor (was) WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereodude" wrote: > Are you sure it was the transmitter and not the phasor which > prevented the transmitter from working well? If they used different > patterns day/night, it could be the night phasing design was better. > > Scott Todd The station did have different day/night patterns. I was not at the station (the thing went dark in 1989), but one of their engineers is on the board and probably could get into detail. I don't think it was the phasor and he can probably verify that for me from his years at the station. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Jan 06 11:25:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58799 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 19:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 19:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 19:25:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 19:24:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 19:24:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c3d46c$5d88f8c0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 176 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.4.31 Subject: {AMSF} Re: How many AMS stations mention 'in stereo' ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Thanks for the info all. Good to know. Any chance of some air checks of some of these stations which say the S word ?! I suppose 0 Aussie stations say the S word btw ? . From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 12:37:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60712 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 20:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 20:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 20:37:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20040106203703.26748.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.27.81] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:37:03 PST Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:37:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002401c3d452$471aeea0$2302a8c0@athlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.37 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT recipie for weekend radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Our radio here in Auckland is mainly "boring" R&B,Rap or mainly 90's and 00's stuff apart from the usual Religion,talk or ethnic. Not enough 60's and 70's, No Country music whatsoever(theres an LPFM with country but only one song can be recieved while driving before it attenuates) and no nostalgia and very little high energy dance if any. Michael --- amstereo wrote: > stations listed are gold-coast / ipswich qld > australia > > As a listener to radio, i always find weekend radio > to be the most annoying > cause it always sounds like its a half assed job > that is there to fill air. ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 13:20:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12672 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 21:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 21:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 21:20:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 21:20:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:20:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 423 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: 1030 WBZ back in AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > Early this morning, I tuned in Boston's 1030 WBZ and was surprised > to > hear them broadcasting in hi-fi AM Stereo, with full stereo > separation > on all the liners and commercials! If they're still in Stereo, you should record a sounder from them while you still can..Post it on the website along with the same sounder recorded in low-fi IBOC-induced analog 5khz. Mono...Let listeners be the judge. --Tony S. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 06 15:56:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80421 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 23:56:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 23:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 23:56:12 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040106235611012006nc55e>; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:56:11 +0000 To: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:56:20 -0500 Message-ID: <009401c3d4b0$ae872190$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.56 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: WBZ Still in Stereo tonight! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn I'm happy to report that WBZ is still in stereo right now at 7 PM EST. Everyone should be able to tune it in with skywave tonight. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From amstereorules@msn.com Tue Jan 06 16:29:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28451 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 00:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 00:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 00:29:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 00:29:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 00:29:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005501c3d477$a2b12160$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 318 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 Subject: Re: 1030 WBZ back in AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules Please post it to the files section. I want to hear it, and record more. Thanks. - Mario >I just recorded a commercial and their top of hour ID in stereo. If >anyone wants to hear it, just let me know, and I'll send the MP3. >If anyone wants it for the FTP server or whatever, just let me know >and I'll sent it. From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Jan 06 17:00:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81048 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 01:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 01:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 01:00:20 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0710J4x032443 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:00:19 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0710JrD012482 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:00:19 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0710JWY012476 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:00:19 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:00:19 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47314@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:00:19 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: 1030 WBZ back in AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Any airchecks of WBZ etc can be uploaded to ftp.amstereoradio.com (there is not enough space left on Yahoo Groups for many more files) MJR can you please remind the list the username and password for uploading? Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: amstereorules [mailto:amstereorules@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, 7 January 2004 10:30 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: 1030 WBZ back in AM Stereo! Please post it to the files section. I want to hear it, and record more. Thanks. - Mario >I just recorded a commercial and their top of hour ID in stereo. If >anyone wants to hear it, just let me know, and I'll send the MP3. >If anyone wants it for the FTP server or whatever, just let me know >and I'll sent it. From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Jan 06 17:17:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23232 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 01:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 01:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 01:17:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:17:46 -0800 Received: from 172.172.165.216 by bay7-dav29.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 01:17:46 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <005501c3d477$a2b12160$6400a8c0@AMD> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 19:35:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2004 01:17:46.0508 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EE11CC0:01C3D4BC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.86 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.172.165.216] Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1030 WBZ back in AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jeff Lehmann wrote: >I just recorded a commercial and their top of hour ID in stereo. If anyone wants to hear it, just let me know, and I'll send the MP3. Jeff, I want it! Could you please email the mp3 to dodgeramtrucker@aol.com I will also post it to the AM radio DX forum I moderate. Thanks, Kevin From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 17:51:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4966 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 01:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 01:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 01:51:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 01:51:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 01:51:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 225 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 65.71.92.74 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1030 WBZ back in AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Thanks to Jeff for creating that mp3!!! I received it this afternoon... Everyone should notice that, once the news anchor begins speaking (near the end of the mp3), the music bed beneath him is... a Stereo bed... !!! Ha! From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue Jan 06 18:24:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41674 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 02:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 02:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 02:24:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 02:24:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 02:24:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2689 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: Re: WGLI phasor (was) WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Sort of coming in the middle of this thread so forgive me if I no not know what thou talkest about completely. The day and night antenna systems at WGLI had seperate phasing cabinets, transmission lines and tuning boxes. The only thing common was the towers. As far as the day antenna system having problems, I can tell you for a fact it didn't. We did a full re-work of it while I was C.E. and it was verified by our consulting engineer Julius Cohen. The Gates BC-5 was a bit of a dog. I also had one as my main transmitter at WGSM. Both units never made more than 110% positive peaks on a good day and the audio left a bit to be desired. Distortion in the low end was poor. I also considered RF drive to the 3CX2500F3 final marginal. I made a modification to the driver stage in WGLI's transmitter which helped improve things somewhat and slightly improved the audio performance but that transmitter just did not have it. WGLI's transmitter also had a rough life. It was allegedly sabotaged by a former, disgruntaled station engineer with a blowtorch. The 1 KW RCA transmitter they used for the night pattern at the time was completely destroyed. The night transmitter that replaced the RCA was a CCA AM 1000. Basically a very straight forward transmitter, a pair of 4-400s modulated by 4-400s in class AB1. A simple but decent design. It had no problem modulating 120 - 125% positive and the audio was very clean for a transmitter for a transmitter of that era. Hey, maybe this was just our luck, but when I was at WGSM we had an old Gates BC1F (the stations original transmitter) that we used as an auxillary and during critical hours before sign off. That thing actually sounded pretty decent, better than the BC-5. To see WGLI go to: http://www.wa2fnq.hamradios.com/gli.htm To see WGSM go to: http://www.wa2fnq.hamradios.com/wgsmcto/gsmcto.htm Hope I gave you some useful information. If not, ignore all this!! Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereodude" > wrote: > > > Are you sure it was the transmitter and not the phasor which > > prevented the transmitter from working well? If they used > different > > patterns day/night, it could be the night phasing design was > better. > > > > Scott Todd > > The station did have different day/night patterns. I was not at the > station (the thing went dark in 1989), but one of their engineers is > on the board and probably could get into detail. > > I don't think it was the phasor and he can probably verify that for > me from his years at the station. From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 18:41:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71003 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 02:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 02:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 02:41:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20040107024100.63215.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.82] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:41:00 PST Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:41:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3FFA4ADB.1080601@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: DX-10's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Not an engineering problem. WQXL's had a defective module from the start. It however didn't show a fault for some months, and the problem was thought to be elsewhere. It showed up mornings when going to high power. Crappy audio and splatter 50 KhZ either side. But intermittent. It eventually faulted and failed. The 890 one was an early failure too. And there was another fault that Harris didn't know what it was, and when he finally found it Harris offered him a job. He refused. It wasn't enough money. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 18:42:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57136 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 02:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 02:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 02:42:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20040107024207.9024.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.82] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:42:07 PST Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:42:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <59.29df483.2d2bb1d7@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/5/04 9:20:13 PM Eastern > Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.com > writes: > > > Gary Robinson, at WVOC CE says (sigh!) the RCA > BTA-5 > > as standby sounds so much better than his Gates 5 > even > > with N/T. > > > > Just by chance,does he wear a hearing aid in one or > both ears? lol No. > Who is the one that setup the processing on WVOC? > When I heard WVOC last > summer while driving through Columbia,I found it > hard to listen to for any length > of mileage. > I'm to spoiled by my own bright,clear and loud > processing here I suppose. > > Bob Carter Uh, listen to his FM's too. GAG! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 18:43:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31422 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 02:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 02:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 02:43:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20040107024336.6363.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.82] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:43:36 PST Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:43:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.89 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > There's the Gates fuzz. A lot of people can't hear > it but you can if you > listen on a goooood radio. > > Like I said, Once upon a time, I had most of that > "Gates Fuzz" tuned out of > that SX1A. It took many nights of playing with it > after sign off. Last year, > the new owner of the station wouldn't let me take it > off the air long enough > to tune it right. He also wouldn't let me change the > bad caps in it. I > understand now he upgraded to the BE, but is running > in Mono. The SXn went bang he said. > > You CAN find replacements, but you have to replace > ALL of the transistors > in a module otherwise. > > Right, ALL of the PAs and IPAs have to match. BTW, > changing all of the PAs > to NTEs will go a LONG way towards getting rid of > the fuzz. The AM Stereo > kit helps the audio of the MW1 by a good bit too. > Kevin And with proper twiddling the MW-1 can sound better than a SX. Not as loud maybe.... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 19:18:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36158 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 03:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 03:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 03:18:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 03:18:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 03:18:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 156 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1030 WBZ back in AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Do we have anyplace where we can compare a WBZ sounder or ID in AM Stereo with the same piece of audio as it sounds on WBZ in 5khz. low- fi, Mono?? -Tony From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 21:07:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61992 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 05:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 05:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 05:07:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20040107050715.30542.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:07:15 PST Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:07:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.72 From: "John P." Subject: TWO different Tones for WBZ TOH (real & delayed time?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Listen to WBZ and see if you notice what I do (besides glorious stereo on a 50KW powerhouse)- a time delay? At midnight (Tuesday night/Wednesday morning) on WBZ-STEREO-AM-1030, there was a tone at exactly midnight during station ID, but then there was another network chime at 10-12 seconds after the hour and THEN the network news started. So my question is: is there a 10-12 second delay in their system for the IBOC/HD system for fade-back to analog? The stereo sounds great (stereo music during traffic reports etc), but I still am not hearing the very top-end audio (over 8KHz), and just a tiny tiny touch of interference from KDKA tonight. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From brian60420@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 21:16:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60895 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 05:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 05:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 05:16:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 05:16:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 05:16:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1058 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "brian60420" X-Originating-IP: 69.47.145.107 Subject: Re: WGN AM 720 Chicago X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Here's my response: Dear Director of Engineering, I'm sorry to hear that your "upgrade" caused your station to "downgrade" your signal to Mono. I listened to your station quite often because of the stereo signal and near FM quality delivered by each of my 5 AM stereo receivers. I don't know why that in a world that pushes technological superiority (FM Stereo, TV Stereo, Satellite Stereo, MP3s and CDs), AM broadcasters and receiver manufacturers continue to let the medium slide backwards. Even WGN-TV broadcasts in stereo! I'm quite unhappy with your decision to return to pre-80's status. While your programming may continue, my presets will be retuned to 890 WLS from now on. Good luck with your decision. brian --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > Write those letters to WGN staff using this link, especially to the > Director of Engineering. Since WGN recently upgraded their stereo > link, my conclusion is that I-BOC is not far behind: > > http://wgnradio.com/email/index.htm From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 06 21:28:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17037 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 05:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 05:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.202.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 05:28:31 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004010705190001600ontrke>; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 05:19:00 +0000 To: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:19:11 -0500 Message-ID: <00a701c3d4dd$c88116f0$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040107050715.30542.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.64 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} TWO different Tones for WBZ TOH (real & delayed time?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn I don't think they run the CBS network news at exactly midnight. What you heard before the news was probably just the CBS News sounder intro that has a tone at the beginning. The tone that they run that sounds a lot like the EBS tone, is the one that they always run at exactly the top of the hour. By the way, the music intro to The Steve LeVeille Broadcast sounded GREAT in AM Stereo! If anyone wants it, again just email me, and I'll send it. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: John P. [mailto:toledohamradio@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:07 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} TWO different Tones for WBZ TOH (real & delayed time?) Listen to WBZ and see if you notice what I do (besides glorious stereo on a 50KW powerhouse)- a time delay?=A0 At midnight (Tuesday night/Wednesday morning) on WBZ-STEREO-AM-1030, there was a tone at exactly midnight during station ID, but then there was another network chime at 10-12 seconds after the hour and THEN the network news started.=A0 So my question is: is there a 10-12 second delay in their system for the IBOC/HD system for fade-back to analog?=A0=20 The stereo sounds great (stereo music during traffic reports etc), but I still am not hearing the very top-end audio (over 8KHz), and just a tiny tiny touch of interference from KDKA tonight.=20 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! 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Terms of Service.=20 From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 21:47:52 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jan 06 21:50:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93656 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 05:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 05:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 05:50:26 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.81.2ae4a1f (4238) for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:50:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <81.2ae4a1f.2d2cf81e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:50:22 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.163 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/6/04 9:44:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.com= =20 writes: >=20 > Uh, listen to his FM's too. GAG!=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 Which ones are his FM's and how do they really sound...if a description is= =20 possible Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jan 06 22:04:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10887 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 06:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 06:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 06:04:37 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.20.1feead26 (4238) for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 01:04:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20.1feead26.2d2cfb70@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 01:04:32 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.6 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} TWO different Tones for WBZ TOH (real & delayed time?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/7/04 12:08:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > Listen to WBZ and see if you notice what I do (besides glorious stereo on= a > 50KW powerhouse)- a time delay? At midnight (Tuesday night/Wednesday=20 > morning) > on WBZ-STEREO-AM-1030, there was a tone at exactly midnight during statio= n=20 > ID, > but then there was another network chime at 10-12 seconds after the hour = and > THEN the network news started. So my question is: is there a 10-12 secon= d > delay in their system for the IBOC/HD system for fade-back to analog? = =20 >=20 We never really know unless we were to visit the studios.My guess as well f= or=20 a possible delay in the action is considering that WBZ is a talk=20 station,everything might be on a delay to dump those dumpster mouth callers= that call in=20 and try to express their views in a not so nice manor. Anyhow,conditions on MW are a bit funny tonight ....solar flares and full=20 moons are enough to make anything go nuts. Should be interesting to find out what is going on technically with the mai= n=20 transmitter. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 --------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 22:26:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73101 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 06:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 06:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 06:25:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 06:25:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:25:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040107050715.30542.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2240 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.6 Subject: Re: TWO different Tones for WBZ TOH (real & delayed time?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > So my question is: is there a 10-12 second delay in their system > for the IBOC/HD system for fade-back to analog? IBOC requires the analog audio to be delayed at least 8.5 seconds or so in order to be in synch with the digital audio. At the station's choice, this delay can be disabled in order to carry sports play-by- play and other live events in real-time. However, in order to avoid a gap in programming, the delay on the analog side is normally maintained even at night when the IBOC digital signal is not being transmitted. Therefore, it is likely that WBZ still has their extra delay switched on, even though they haven't been using IBOC these past few days. However, their top-of-hour time tone (a multi-pitch, EBS-like "braaap!") should be issued _early_ from the studio, so that when it goes through the delay and finally gets on the air, it occurs at the correct time. > The stereo sounds great (stereo music during traffic reports etc), > but I still am not hearing the very top-end audio (over 8KHz), and > just a tiny tiny touch of interference from KDKA tonight. I think WBZ is strictly following the NRSC pre-emphasis curve, as is required for AM Stereo stations. In comparison, many mono news/talk stations are using a greater amount of high-end boost, since mono stations are not required to follow the NRSC curve. In fact, the mono Optimod 9200 audio processor comes shipped from the factory with a default curve that rises sharply to +10 dB at just over 5 kHz, whereas the NRSC curve doesn't reach +10 dB until 10 kHz. That "Optimod curve" provides better treble response from "ordinary" AM radios, but can make wideband AMAX receivers sound unnaturally bright and treble-heavy. Another thing I've noticed about WBZ's AM Stereo signal is their very rich and clean _bass_ response. It's not the kind of fake, over- boosted bass you often get from FM, either -- it's just an "honest" presense down in that lowest octave, which AM stations often lack. Anyway, as for WBZ's signal, they seem to be doing quite well.... during their late evening talk show on Tuesday night, I heard callers from Philadelphia and Ohio -- even though you'd expect 1020 KDKA to be dominant in that area. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 22:42:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25503 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 06:42:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 06:42:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 06:42:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 06:42:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:42:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 635 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.6 Subject: Rock music on WJR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is those of you who miss the music on Detroit's 760 WJR... it was actually recorded back in October, but I finally got a chance to upload it now... it's a clip of WJR broadcasting "Flashback 1980" in great-sounding AM Stereo, as received on a Delco AMAX radio in wideband AM Stereo mode, via skywave here in New Jersey, almost 500 miles away. Despite my close proximity to NYC's 770 WABC, I think the Delco did a very good job of receiving WJR in hi-fi stereo, with its automatic variable bandwidth and noise reduction features. Here it is, for your listening pleasure: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wjrflash.mp3 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 23:08:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53949 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 07:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 07:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 07:08:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 07:08:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 07:08:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2217 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.6 Subject: Harris AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The Harris V-CPM AM Stereo system has been rarely heard since the mid-1980s, but courtesy of my multi-system Panasonic AM Stereo generator and a little ingenuity, I have a brand new audio sample of it for all to hear! The audio processing was done by the "Sound Solution" WinAmp plugin on my PC, along with a CRL AM Stereo Matrix Processor. The receiver I used was my multi-system Sony STR-AV470, whose CXA1017 chip allows it to automatically select between the four different systems (C-Quam, Kahn, Harris, and Magnavox) based on what kind of pilot tone it receives. But that was a bit of a problem, since my Panasonic generator uses the last version of the Harris system, with a 25 Hz pilot tone (to force compatibility with C-Quam receivers). However, the Sony receiver was designed to switch into Harris mode when it receives a 55 Hz pilot, as the earlier version of the Harris system used. So, I disabled the Panasonic's built-in pilot tone generator and used an external tone generator to create the 55 Hz pilot tone I needed. That's not as complex as it seems -- my "tone generator" was an IBM ThinkPad laptop with Cool Edit playing a WAV file of an out-of-phase 55 Hz sine wave in continuous loop mode! I simply used Y-adapters to combine its output with that of the audio going into the CRL matrix processor. Once on the air, I set the ThinkPad's output just above the minimum level needed to switch the Sony receiver into Harris AM Stereo mode. So, after all that jury-rigging, here is the result for you to hear: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/harris.mp3 The only other recording of Harris AM Stereo I've ever heard is of Denver's 630 KHOW -- which also was using a 55 Hz pilot tone -- recorded in June 1984 from a Sony SRF-A100 receiver. The audio is a bit distorted, but I don't know if it was received that way or if the distortion is from the rather hissy cassette it was originally recorded onto. You can find this recording on Alex K.'s MP3 site at: http://www.geocities.com/amstereo2000/ Next up... a brand new recording of Kahn AM Stereo. I already have this saved on disk, I just need to encode the MP3 and upload it to the FTP site. Stay tuned! From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 23:32:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15549 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 07:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 07:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 07:32:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 07:32:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 07:32:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 709 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.135 Subject: Re: Harris AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > The only other recording of Harris AM Stereo I've ever heard is of > Denver's 630 KHOW -- which also was using a 55 Hz pilot tone -- > recorded in June 1984 from a Sony SRF-A100 receiver. The audio is a > bit distorted, but I don't know if it was received that way or if the > distortion is from the rather hissy cassette it was originally > recorded onto. You can find this recording on Alex K.'s MP3 site at: > > http://www.geocities.com/amstereo2000/ There's a recording of KOMO (1000, Seattle, WA) from 1990 or 1991 that was indeed in Harris, as recorded on an SRF-A100. http://tinyurl.com/2p6sj Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 23:38:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31045 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 07:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 07:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 07:38:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 07:38:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 07:38:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 363 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.135 Subject: Re: Harris AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/2p6sj Oh, yeah- It's a 10 MB MP3 download. Also, there is a WLS Harris recording, found at: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3514/audio.html The file is a downloadable RealAudio file: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3514/WLS.ra Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Jan 07 00:42:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6739 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 08:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 08:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 08:42:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 08:42:35 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8385 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 08:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 08:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 08:33:52 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.1e3.16f53a72 (4340) for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 03:33:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1e3.16f53a72.2d2d1e6a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 03:33:46 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.162 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DX-10's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 07 Jan 2004 08:42:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 I was instrumental in selecting the DX-10 for WFTD 1080 Marietta, GA when Roswell Street Baptist Church owned the station. The station bought one to replace a 1965-vintage Western Electric transmitter. Unfortunately, the station never raised enough money to go AM Stereo, as the AM Stereo exciter used by former owner Zapis Communications (when the station was WEKS with an Urban Contemporary format) was not included in the deal to sell it to the church. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 01:01:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28311 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 09:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 09:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 09:01:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 09:01:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 09:01:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1242 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.6 Subject: Re: Harris AM Stereo (& Magnavox too) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There's a recording of KOMO (1000, Seattle, WA) from 1990 or 1991 > that was indeed in Harris, as recorded on an SRF-A100. It's interesting that ultimately there were more stations using the Harris system, even though it has been effectively obsolete for years, than there were using the Kahn system, which was still being backed by Mr. Kahn and his supporters. The FCC noted that as of early 1992 there were 37 stations using the "Harris C-Quam compatible system", and there were "somewhat fewer than 20" stations using the Kahn system. And it's not specifically mentioned, but I'd say it's safe to assume that by that time, there were no Magnavox AM Stereo stations left. Only a handful of stations had ever used the Magnavox system -- a total of _six_ stations on the air, as of June 1985 -- and today, it's almost as if the system had never existed. Aside from rudimentary block diagrams, literature on the Magnavox system is very difficult to come by, and I've never encountered a recording of a Magnavox AM Stereo station, either online or otherwise. That's a bit of a sad fate for a system that the could have been the universal standard for AM Stereo, if only the FCC had stuck with their original decision! From bratina501@msn.com Wed Jan 07 01:26:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24387 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 09:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 09:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 09:26:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 09:26:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 09:26:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 311 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.77 Subject: CKMX air check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 Since we are on the subject of air checks I have one to share. Last October I recorded CKMX 1060 with a Sony SRF-42 directly connected to a laptop. Here is the URL where that clip can be found: http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/ams.php?q=f&f=% 2Fstations%2FNorth-America%2FCanada%2FAlberta From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 07:22:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58443 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 15:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 15:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 15:20:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 15:20:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:20:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3515 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: AM Stereo in the news (WSOS & WGN) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com.... ===================================================================== Date posted: 2004-01-06 AM Stereo: One On, One Off As one station turns on an AM stereo signal, another turns it off. On Dec. 30, AM stereo was set up on WSOS at 1170 kHz in Augustine Beach, Fla. The station, running an oldies format, is owned by 3 Point Media of Florida. According to engineer Alan Alsobrook, it had been stereo previously under different owners. "They lost their stereo processor to lightning some time before they sold it and ran in mono for a year with just a pilot," he said. "When the station was purchased and I relocated the transmitter, I eyed all the stereo equipment, which was all in good shape. Later, as I went through the public file, I found several letters from listeners complaining that the station was no longer in stereo." New studios were already built with stereo capability, and the transmitter was collocated. Alsobrook wonders if this will be "the last new C-Quam station ever on the air in the USA." "I'm curious to see if anyone notices," he told Radio World. Meanwhile, columnist Robert Feder of the Chicago Sun-Times writes this week that WGN(AM), owned by Tribune Co., has installed a new Harris transmitter and chose not to equip it for stereo, 22 years after it went stereo in that big market. "Mark Krieschen, vice president and general manager of WGN, confirmed the move and noted that Harris has sold 40 similar transmitters, 'and from what we hear, not one station has gone stereo,'" the columnist reported, but he notes that "angry correspondents to Web sites and online message boards" have complained about the change. ===================================================================== And, here's the Sun-Times column that Radio World is referring to, as found on http://www.suntimes.com/output/feder/cst-fin-feder06.html : ===================================================================== Now hear this: WGN cancels stereo January 6, 2004 BY ROBERT FEDER SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST In 1982, WGN (AM-720) became one of the first AM radio stations in the country to begin broadcasting in stereo -- a development this column facetiously hailed as "the next great leap forward in our quality of life." Twenty-two years later, the Tribune Co.-owned news/talk station has pulled the plug on its stereo broadcasts without so much as a peep or a press release. With the installation of a new Harris 3DX50 transmitter last week, WGN chose not to equip it for stereo. For listeners who have stereo receivers in their cars or elsewhere, it's back to old-fashioned mono. On Monday, Mark Krieschen, vice president and general manager of WGN, confirmed the move and noted that Harris has sold 40 similar transmitters "and from what we hear, not one station has gone stereo." Krischen added that he still believes WGN "sounds crisp and clear with the new transmitter." But angry correspondents to Web sites and online message boards point to many other news/talk stations, including WLS (AM-890), which continue to broadcast in stereo. Even with its new transmitter, they argue, WGN still could broadcast in stereo simply by connecting its existing stereo equipment to the new system. In urging WGN to bring back stereo, they also claimed that even mono listeners benefit by enjoying the "improved quality" of the stereo-processed signal. ===================================================================== From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jan 07 07:22:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62759 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 15:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 15:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 15:22:25 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:22:25 -0700 Message-ID: <003301c3d532$0e3ce9e0$5401010a@AM> To: References: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47314@aubwm206> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:22:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1030 WBZ back in AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the delay :) Yes, remember all.....I just checked...still about 1GB of disk space available on the server. So plenty of room. Point your browser or FTP program over to ftp.amstereoradio.com to get there. The anonymous account is enabled and you can look around and browse and download all ya want. If you want to upload you'll have to go in and use a username and password. The username and password are both "amstereo". There's lots in the uploads folder. I probably should go in and do some organizing and housecleaning and putting things into folders they go in and so forth. Like I always said...if you upload something and there's a specific place it should go, then please let me know where you'd like it (and what it is........that will avoid confusion of me putting something in the IBOC folder when it is not IBOC). Michael Admin- amstereoradio.com ftp server ----- Original Message ----- From: Trim, Matthew L To: 'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com' Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 6:00 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: 1030 WBZ back in AM Stereo! Any airchecks of WBZ etc can be uploaded to ftp.amstereoradio.com (there is not enough space left on Yahoo Groups for many more files) MJR can you please remind the list the username and password for uploading? Cheers, Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougharding@mindspring.com Wed Jan 07 07:29:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48736 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 15:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 15:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 15:29:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 15:29:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:28:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1391 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Re: Harris AM Stereo Distortion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Back in 1983-84 when WHAS Louisville went AM stereo they selected the Harris system. I was one of the first in Louisville to get a SONY SRF-A100 receiver which I hooked up to my large stereo system. When they finally threw the switch the distortion was horrible! Harris could never clean it up and Harris finally installed a Motorola c-quam system at WHAS a couple of months later. That proved to be a great decision because soon after Delco announced they had selected C-quam and then everyone else did the same. From that point on no more radios were made that could received anything but c-quam. It really is too bad Kann was such a poor loser. I blame him for destroying AM stereo in the US. I know the FCC shares blame by not declaring the marketplace selection process over by 1987. If the FCC had stepped in and shut up Kann by selecting c-quam in 1987 I think all radios today would be AM stereo. Just my 2 cents > The only other recording of Harris AM Stereo I've ever heard is of > Denver's 630 KHOW -- which also was using a 55 Hz pilot tone -- > recorded in June 1984 from a Sony SRF-A100 receiver. The audio is a > bit distorted, but I don't know if it was received that way or if the > distortion is from the rather hissy cassette it was originally > recorded onto. You can find this recording on Alex K.'s MP3 site at: > > http://www.geocities.com/amstereo2000/ > From stodd@vippn.com Wed Jan 07 08:10:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5194 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 16:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 16:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 16:10:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 16:10:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 16:10:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 890 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: Harris AM Stereo (& Magnavox too) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Only a handful of stations had ever used the Magnavox system -- a > total of _six_ stations on the air, as of June 1985 -- and today, > it's almost as if the system had never existed. Aside from > rudimentary block diagrams, literature on the Magnavox system is > very difficult to come by, and I've never encountered a recording of > a Magnavox AM Stereo station, either online or otherwise. That's a > bit of a sad fate for a system that the could have been the universal > standard for AM Stereo, if only the FCC had stuck with their original > decision! Considering its lack of popularity, AMS might not have gotten as far as it did had that happened. The Magnavox system produced pops when the modulation got in excess of -95%, and a lot of stations wouldn't have put up with that. ST From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Jan 07 08:31:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3560 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 16:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 16:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.121) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 16:31:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:31:48 -0800 Received: from 67.30.192.33 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 16:31:47 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:31:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2004 16:31:48.0013 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEF6ADD0:01C3D53B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.121 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [67.30.192.33] Subject: Letter To WLS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Forum readers, Here is my letter to WLS Engineering. MTGC (Michael) > >Mr. Carollo, > >I am very saddened to learn of your stations decision to drop AM Stereo >broadcasting. I have always enjoyed listening to your station at night >here in Cedartown, which is in western Georgia. > >I realize that I am probably in the minority of listeners, since I have AM >stereo receivers (a Hallicrafters SX-42 modified for AM stereo, among >others). but I think it is a shame for your station to drop AM stereo in >favor of antiquated technology, albeit transmitted by a new state of the >art transmitter. > >Thanks for taking time to read my letter. Hopefully some good will come of >it. > > > >Michael Upton > _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Jan 07 08:42:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6971 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 16:42:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 16:42:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.167) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 16:42:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:42:19 -0800 Received: from 67.30.192.33 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 16:42:19 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:42:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2004 16:42:19.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[374FBDC0:01C3D53D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.167 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [67.30.192.33] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Letter To WGN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Forum Readers, I fat-fingered the Subject Line. My E-mail was to WGN, NOT WLS. Sorry about the confusion, I am only into my first cup of coffee. Again, my e-mail went to WGN, NOT WLS. MTGC (Michael) >From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Letter To WLS >Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:31:47 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [67.30.192.33] >X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] >X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com >Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.102]) by mc6-f12 with >Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:34:04 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan >2004 16:32:02 -0000 >Received: (qmail 3560 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 16:31:49 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >7 Jan 2004 16:31:49 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.121) by >mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 16:31:48 -0000 >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; >Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:31:48 -0800 >Received: from 67.30.192.33 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;Wed, 07 >Jan 2004 16:31:47 GMT >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jF7PeVvU0Opj2dAX/yUHIVA >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-4085512-15152-1073493111-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2004 16:31:48.0013 (UTC) >FILETIME=[BEF6ADD0:01C3D53B] >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.121 >X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-15152-1073493111-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com > >Forum readers, > >Here is my letter to WLS Engineering. > >MTGC (Michael) > > > > > >Mr. Carollo, > > > >I am very saddened to learn of your stations decision to drop AM Stereo > >broadcasting. I have always enjoyed listening to your station at night > >here in Cedartown, which is in western Georgia. > > > >I realize that I am probably in the minority of listeners, since I have >AM > >stereo receivers (a Hallicrafters SX-42 modified for AM stereo, among > >others). but I think it is a shame for your station to drop AM stereo in > >favor of antiquated technology, albeit transmitted by a new state of the > >art transmitter. > > > >Thanks for taking time to read my letter. Hopefully some good will come >of > >it. > > > > > > > >Michael Upton > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. >http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jan 07 08:43:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11259 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 16:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 16:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 16:43:40 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.92.d087d7 (1320) for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:43:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <92.d087d7.2d2d9134@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:43:32 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.97 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Letter To WLS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/7/04 11:39:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, mtgc@hotmail.c= om=20 writes: > Forum readers, >=20 > Here is my letter to WLS Engineering. >=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20 >=20 Wise mans says to man with loaded gun....One should take extreme care where= =20 you point loaded gun.Wise man says never point loaded gun at foot and pull= =20 trigger.It could be a bloody mess. So with that in mind ...I hope you didnt send that email to WLS,but to WGN= =20 instead. [grin] Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Wed Jan 07 08:48:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: paulmcrane@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28164 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 16:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 16:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.13) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 16:48:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:48:43 -0800 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 16:48:43 GMT X-Originating-Email: [paulmcrane@hotmail.com] X-Sender: paulmcrane@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:48:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2004 16:48:43.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C50C590:01C3D53E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.15.13 X-eGroups-From: "Paul Crane" From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Letter To WLS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Did I miss something here? I knew WGN dropped stereo, but did WLS also? Paul Crane >From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Letter To WLS >Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:31:47 -0500 > >Forum readers, > >Here is my letter to WLS Engineering. > >MTGC (Michael) > > > > > >Mr. Carollo, > > > >I am very saddened to learn of your stations decision to drop AM Stereo > >broadcasting. I have always enjoyed listening to your station at night > >here in Cedartown, which is in western Georgia. > > > >I realize that I am probably in the minority of listeners, since I have >AM > >stereo receivers (a Hallicrafters SX-42 modified for AM stereo, among > >others). but I think it is a shame for your station to drop AM stereo in > >favor of antiquated technology, albeit transmitted by a new state of the > >art transmitter. > > > >Thanks for taking time to read my letter. Hopefully some good will come >of > >it. > > > > > > > >Michael Upton > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. >http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx > _________________________________________________________________ Expand your wine savvy — and get some great new recipes — at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Jan 07 08:49:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13475 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 16:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 16:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.121) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 16:49:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:49:11 -0800 Received: from 67.30.192.33 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 16:49:11 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:49:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2004 16:49:11.0805 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D1CB2D0:01C3D53E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.121 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [67.30.192.33] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Letter To WLS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Wise man should also say that person sending e-mail should do so only after second or third cup of coffee, thus preventing mass confusion. I do humbly apologize. :-) MTGC (Michael) >From: KC4QLP@aol.com >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Letter To WLS >Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:43:32 EST >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com >Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.89]) by mc3-f18.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:44:08 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan >2004 16:43:47 -0000 >Received: (qmail 11259 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 16:43:41 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >7 Jan 2004 16:43:41 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by >mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 16:43:40 -0000 >Received: from KC4QLP@aol.comby imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id >r.92.d087d7 (1320) for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 >11:43:32 -0500 (EST) >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jE3fvI1Rg5U0kku8EZNmSWT >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-4085512-15154-1073493824-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: <92.d087d7.2d2d9134@aol.com> >X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.97 >X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-15154-1073493824-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2004 16:44:08.0686 (UTC) >FILETIME=[787068E0:01C3D53D] > >In a message dated 1/7/04 11:39:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, >mtgc@hotmail.com >writes: > > > Forum readers, > > > > Here is my letter to WLS Engineering. > > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > > >Wise mans says to man with loaded gun....One should take extreme care where >you point loaded gun.Wise man says never point loaded gun at foot and pull >trigger.It could be a bloody mess. > >So with that in mind ...I hope you didnt send that email to WLS,but to WGN >instead. > >[grin] > >Bob Carter >Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division >WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 >Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >---------------------------------------- >Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with >engineering >services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. >e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >--------------------------- > >------------------------KC4QLP  Amateur >Radio------------------------------------------ >                Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va >                           www.qsl.net/kc4qlp >Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) >_______________________________________________________ > >* List owner: >Group name: Echolink-Open-List >Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List >Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work — and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Jan 07 09:29:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83701 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 17:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 17:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 17:29:53 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040107170329012006lb36e>; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:03:29 +0000 To: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:03:43 -0500 Message-ID: <00ca01c3d540$34b387b0$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.56 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: No More AM Stere on WBZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn It was good while it lasted, but AM Stereo is gone from WBZ once again. I posted the recordings I made to ftp.amstereoradio.com, here's the links: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wbz-2004-01-06.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wbz2004-01-07.mp3 Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jan 07 09:56:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80013 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 17:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 17:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 17:56:12 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:56:11 -0700 Message-ID: <007801c3d547$89518040$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:56:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Letter To WGN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been exchanging emails with Jim Carollo at WGN over the last couple of days. I don't think he's gonna give. They'd rather have the exciter redundancies that came with the new transmiter than hook up the old C-quam exciter and that's pretty much it in a nutshell. On a good point, like many of us, he shares the same uncertaincies of IBOC. He did not say they are going IBOC. He said that they are equipped to go IBOC if they choose to, or they may just stay mono, or maybe C-quam will make a comeback if IBOC falls on its face. I asked about their stereo exciter and he said he's going to hold on to it for now since "you never know". So even HE feels maybe IBOC will make it and maybe it won't. He does not hate stereo. He installed the exciter some 20+ years ago. So I think he is as much of an AM STEREO supporter as we are. He's just dealing with the real world and corporate hounds and doing his job to do what's in WGN and corporate's (Tribune's) best interest at the moment. He's really a nice guy and it was good to corrospond with one of the big guys in a big market. Not something I get to do every day! Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jan 07 10:08:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9600 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 18:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 18:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 18:08:41 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.94.41dcc26b (1320) for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:08:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <94.41dcc26b.2d2da515@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:08:21 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.104 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Letter To WLS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/7/04 12:14:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, mtgc@hotmail.c= om=20 writes: > Wise man should also say that person sending e-mail should do so only aft= er=20 >=20 > second or third cup of coffee, thus preventing mass confusion. >=20 >=20 LOL! Sounds like you need some of that high test coffee.We have a very nice= =20 coffee shop here in my area...double shot of expresso,coffee,whip cream=20 ...heheheh yeah! its enough to give a woman chest hair when you drink it! L= OL Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jan 07 10:09:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24859 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 18:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 18:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 18:09:57 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.162.2a51c6ea (1320) for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:09:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <162.2a51c6ea.2d2da56f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:09:51 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.35 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} No More AM Stere on WBZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well no it should be interesting to make some recordings today as more than= =20 likely the IBOC hash generator will be back in full swing. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jan 07 10:16:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57682 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 18:16:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 18:16:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 18:16:22 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.151.28ef5ff0 (1320) for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:16:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <151.28ef5ff0.2d2da6f2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:16:18 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.104 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Letter To WGN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/7/04 1:05:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, michaelj@vcn.co= m=20 writes: > I've been exchanging emails with Jim Carollo at WGN over the last couple = of=20 > days. I don't think he's gonna give. They'd rather have the exciter=20 > redundancies that came with the new transmiter than hook up the old C-qua= m exciter=20 > and that's pretty much it in a nutshell. On a good point, like many of u= s,=20 > he shares the same uncertaincies of IBOC. He did not say they are going = IBOC.=20 >=20 Well very good! At least folks havent gone off half cocked and other half=20 wacked things.Least we can say no bridges have been burned and the opportun= ity=20 still presents it self for C-Quam operation there if the time place calls f= or it=20 again. Hats off to Michael for his professionalism!=20 Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jan 07 10:26:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38182 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 18:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 18:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 18:26:35 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:26:34 -0700 Message-ID: <008701c3d54b$c7f28890$5401010a@AM> To: References: <151.28ef5ff0.2d2da6f2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:26:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Letter To WGN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Bob I really didn't want to burn any bridges there. And Jim seems to not want to either. His last email to me began with "I sure hope you don't think I hate stereo. I don't!" I think it is pretty nice that he wants to keep his exciter "just in case" as well. Maybe he's another guy with a dirty little secret wish that maybe IBOCrap will fall on its face and C-Quam will come back :) May be unrealistic and a pipe dream, but I can always hope :) And in the meantime, no IBOC here. Not even anything CLOSE to any interest in it. We'll be C-quam for a long time here! Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Letter To WGN In a message dated 1/7/04 1:05:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: > I've been exchanging emails with Jim Carollo at WGN over the last couple of > days. I don't think he's gonna give. They'd rather have the exciter > redundancies that came with the new transmiter than hook up the old C-quam exciter > and that's pretty much it in a nutshell. On a good point, like many of us, > he shares the same uncertaincies of IBOC. He did not say they are going IBOC. > Well very good! At least folks havent gone off half cocked and other half wacked things.Least we can say no bridges have been burned and the opportunity still presents it self for C-Quam operation there if the time place calls for it again. Hats off to Michael for his professionalism! Bob Carter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 10:43:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94903 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 18:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 18:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 18:43:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 18:42:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:42:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 936 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.135 Subject: Re: Harris AM Stereo Distortion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > Back in 1983-84 when WHAS Louisville went AM stereo they selected the > Harris system. I was one of the first in Louisville to get a SONY > SRF-A100 receiver which I hooked up to my large stereo system. When > they finally threw the switch the distortion was horrible! Harris > could never clean it up and Harris finally installed a Motorola c- quam The fault with Harris' system lies with its variably-phased QuAM technique, in which the phase varied with the degree of stereo separation. This introduced distortion, simply because it didn't offer a proper balance under diverse conditions between phase and stereo separation. Setting it to a fixed QuAM, compatible to C-QUAM, is the best thing that could ever have happened to the Harris system, as stations so equipped (such as KFI, when it was stereo) sounded fantastic. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 10:47:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37733 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 18:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 18:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 18:47:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 18:46:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:46:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 603 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.135 Subject: Re: Harris AM Stereo (& Magnavox too) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereodude" wrote: > > Considering its lack of popularity, AMS might not have gotten as far > as it did had that happened. The Magnavox system produced pops when > the modulation got in excess of -95%, and a lot of stations wouldn't > have put up with that. From what I remember reading, this was a problem with all the systems, except C-QUAM, which specified a limiter for negative modulation to prevent just such a thing from happening. (Ironicly, RCA, in 1960, proposed the same thing, for much the same reason.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jan 07 10:48:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6065 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 18:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 18:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 18:48:14 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.f9.35ed7015 (1320) for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:48:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:48:02 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.38 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Letter To WGN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/7/04 1:33:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, michaelj@vcn.co= m=20 writes: > Maybe he's another guy with a dirty little secret wish that maybe IBOCrap= =20 > will fall on its face and C-Quam will come back :) Well you never really know. > May be unrealistic and a pipe dream, but I can always hope :) And in the= =20 > meantime, no IBOC here. Not even anything CLOSE to any interest in it. = We'll=20 > be C-quam for a long time here! >=20 No IBOC here either.Heck our phaser couldnt pass the garbage anyways.There= =20 are advantages and disadvantages to being on a low frequency with a high Q= =20 antenna system. BTW..as a DX note for everyone here...seeing that I dont think anyone on th= e=20 list is within my "normal" coverage area,on 560 AM every night catch the=20 "great music" from the 90's,80's,70',60's and some beach music from 12:06:3= 0AM=20 until 12:28:50AM..break for news/weather/commericals,then back at it again = from=20 12:34AM until 12:58:50AM. A computer show,Computer America from Business Talk Radio preceeds this and= =20 Coast To Coast AM follows afterwards. With the way band conditions have been lately,you never know who or what=20 you'll hear night after night. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Jan 07 12:36:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54874 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 20:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 20:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 20:36:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 20:36:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 20:36:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 507 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.10.186 Subject: Re: CKMX air check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" wrote: > Since we are on the subject of air checks I have one to share. Last > October I recorded CKMX 1060 with a Sony SRF-42 directly connected to > a laptop. Here is the URL where that clip can be found: > http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/ams.php?q=f&f=% > 2Fstations%2FNorth-America%2FCanada%2FAlberta Thanks for the aircheck. It shows how good the SRF-42 can sound. Did you mean to encode at 320k though ?! From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Jan 07 14:16:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42649 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 22:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 22:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.202.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 22:16:24 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004010721081201600nmajte>; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 21:08:12 +0000 To: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:08:27 -0500 Message-ID: <00d401c3d562$65285840$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.64 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: Recording of WJIB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Here's a recording of 740 WJIB also here in the Boston area. They're a weak station, only 250 watts, so the signal isn't as clear as the ones I posted from WBZ. ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wjib-2004-01-07.mp3 Enjoy Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From stodd@vippn.com Wed Jan 07 14:53:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51107 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 22:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 22:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 22:53:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 22:53:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 22:53:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <162.2a51c6ea.2d2da56f@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 370 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: {AMSF} No More AM Stere on WBZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > Well no it should be interesting to make some recordings today as more than > likely the IBOC hash generator will be back in full swing. And we could email some comparison samples of the AMS vs the hash-o- matic to their engineering and management and ask them what they'd prefer to listen to. Scott Todd From pd@96wnjo.com Wed Jan 07 17:29:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pd@96wnjo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29758 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 01:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 01:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 01:28:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2004 01:28:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 01:28:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 566 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "wnjo960" X-Originating-IP: 67.83.125.168 Subject: IBOC goes on sale..and NPR does a joke of a story on it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159836599 X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 Skip Piesy(sp?) from Radio World went on NPR to explain IBOC(note: the acronym IBOC was never used). The ad for iBiquity went on to say that the audio qualiity would be "greatly improved" on AM. He goes on to say that the audio will be free from aritfacts(and it will either be there or it wont)!Also goes on to say that this is "market driven", and goes on to say that analog broadcasting on AM will eventualy go away...I allready sent a rebuttal to NPR. Listen to the clip of the show, its on atc.npr.org. I wonder how much NPR got for that "news" story? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 17:30:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23285 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 01:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 01:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 01:30:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2004 01:30:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 01:30:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <94.41dcc26b.2d2da515@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 119 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.134 Subject: Re: WLS vs. WGN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics To those who have a hard time distinguishing WLS from WGN... just remember that WLS stands for "We Love Stereo"! :-) From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Jan 07 17:46:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49370 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 01:46:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 01:46:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 01:46:45 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i081ki4x021095 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:46:44 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i081kh8p002764 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:46:43 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i081khQS002759 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:46:43 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:46:43 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47318@aubwm206> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:46:42 +1100 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: Motorola 1300 Exciter arrived! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 The Motorola 1300 Exciter I located in the US has finally arrived, thanks to MJR for shipping it to me! I'm in the process of buying a step down transformer so I can run it on our 240v supply - should have it humming later today. It's locked on 620 AM and interestingly has an asset tag on the back that states "CBS Property" I've been trying to work out which station it came from and it's driving me crazy! The date on the crystal inside is 1983 - I know this doesn't necessarily mean that crystal came originally in the exciter but if it *is* the original one it would have to be one of the first test stations to broadcast on 620 AM in C-QUAM!? The offenders of the faith website lists these stations as being on 620 AM in stereo at one time or another: http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/offenders.htm 620 KEWS in Portland, Oregon 620 KTAR in Phoenix, Arizona 620 WHEN in Syracuse, New York 620 WTMJ in Milwaukee, Wisconsin 620 WZON in Bangor, Maine Any ideas which station's where once owned by CBS - this may give a clue to where the exciter may be from? Cheers, Matt =) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 17:50:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32041 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 01:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 01:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 01:50:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2004 01:50:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 01:50:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1601 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.134 Subject: WBZ: Two steps forward, one step back... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics It is true that as of Wednesday, Boston's 1030 WBZ is no longer broadcasting in AM Stereo, likely because they've switched from their backup transmitter back to their main transmitter (which I bet is another Harris 3DX50?). However, I listened to WBZ for about an hour before sunset this afternoon and they were definitely not putting out an IBOC signal either -- just plain mono AM, with full NRSC audio bandwidth. Thus, perhaps the reason why they switched to their backup rig this week was so they could remove the IBOC equipment from the main transmitter setup? There is no denying the fact that when WBZ had the IBOC equipment installed, the loudness and clarity of their analog signal was noticeable reduced, even at night when the digital sidebands were off. WBZ's audio went from being loud and clear to being weak and muddy -- and that's a very real problem which was affecting all of their listeners. So it's no wonder they've killed the IBOC, at least until those issues can be resolved. In the New York City area, 930 WPAT and 1480 WZRC both also stopped using IBOC for the same exact reason -- the penalty in loudness and clarity of their analog signal was just too great. I heard both stations when they were using IBOC, and it sounded like they were only putting out about 75% modulation. Even iBiquity's own IBOC test station, WI2XAM on 1700 kHz right here in Warren, NJ, had very low modulation when they were on the air. And with today's ongoing "loudness wars", I don't think any station is going to stand for being "quieter" than their competition! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 18:00:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84206 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 02:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 02:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 02:00:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2004 02:00:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 02:00:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47318@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 467 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.134 Subject: Re: Motorola 1300 Exciter arrived! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Any ideas which station's where once owned by CBS - this may give a > clue to where the exciter may be from? I think I have your answer... I don't know if they were a CBS station or not, but as of late 1983, KGW on 620 kHz in Portland, Oregon was transmitting AM Stereo using the Motorola C-Quam system. And, as of June 1985, there were three stations using C-Quam on 620 kHz in the USA -- KGW, as well as WSUN in St. Petersburg, FL and WHEN in Syracuse, NY. From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Jan 07 18:08:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 800 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 02:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 02:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 02:08:57 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0828u4x023090 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:08:56 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0828upq010173 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:08:56 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0828uh3010168 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:08:56 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:08:56 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47319@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:08:55 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Motorola 1300 Exciter arrived! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Thanks Kevin, I think you may be right about KGW Check out the photo here - perhaps that is it you can see in the rack! http://www.pdxradio.com/pdxhistsee.htm =) -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 8 January 2004 12:01 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Motorola 1300 Exciter arrived! > Any ideas which station's where once owned by CBS - this may give a > clue to where the exciter may be from? I think I have your answer... I don't know if they were a CBS station or not, but as of late 1983, KGW on 620 kHz in Portland, Oregon was transmitting AM Stereo using the Motorola C-Quam system. And, as of June 1985, there were three stations using C-Quam on 620 kHz in the USA -- KGW, as well as WSUN in St. Petersburg, FL and WHEN in Syracuse, NY. From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Jan 07 18:12:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92328 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 02:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 02:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 02:12:17 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i082CG4x023399 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:12:16 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i082CGXh011196 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:12:16 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i082CGTj011191 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:12:16 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:12:16 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F4731A@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:12:15 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Motorola 1300 Exciter arrived! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Sorry to follow up my own post, but here is the list of AM Stereo stations as at 28 June 1985 http://www.totse.com/en/media/radio_scanner_frequency_lists/ham014.html On 620 in Motorola we have: WSUN St. Petersburg FL 620 kHz Motorola WHEN Syracuse NY 620 kHz Motorola KGW Portland OR 620 kHz Motorola So it's got to be one of those three! :) From tomjacobsen@charter.net Wed Jan 07 18:21:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomjacobsen@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98154 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 02:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 02:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 02:21:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2004 02:21:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 02:21:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 178 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "jacobst" X-Originating-IP: 209.187.142.234 Subject: WJR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115104491 X-Yahoo-Profile: jacobst I am sorry to hear that WJR got rid of their music. The next logical step though, is for them to think that since they have no more music, there is little need for stereo.... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 18:52:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21522 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 02:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 02:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 02:52:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2004 02:52:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 02:52:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47319@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 450 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.134 Subject: Re: Motorola 1300 Exciter arrived! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Check out the photo here - perhaps that is it you can see in the > rack! > http://www.pdxradio.com/pdxhistsee.htm I definitely see a newer black-faceplate C-Quam exciter in the rack (just above the higher of the two brown Optimods), as well as a matching C-Quam modulation monitor: http://www.pdxradio.com/images/620Racks.jpg Compare what you see there with this: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/exciter.jpg Same thing! From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 19:25:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4042 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 03:25:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 03:25:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 03:25:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2004 03:25:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 03:25:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 133 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: IBOC goes on sale..and NPR does a joke of a story on it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Wait till all those Radio Reading Services that use the SCAs of all those NPR affiliates start getting affected by IBOC =). --Tony From bratina501@msn.com Wed Jan 07 21:13:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68918 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 05:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 05:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 05:13:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2004 05:13:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 05:13:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 296 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.143 Subject: Re: CKMX air check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" > > Thanks for the aircheck. It shows how good the SRF-42 can sound. Did > you mean to encode at 320k though ?! Yes I did I wanted to show the quality of the station. From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jan 07 22:27:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38084 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 06:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 06:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 06:27:15 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.65] (d33-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.65]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id i086REK45716 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:27:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 23:27:07 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1073526644.5370.32053.m16@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: 620 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Matt, I can tell you that it was NOT KTAR in Phoenix. They have been ABC forever. Kevin > Any ideas which station's where once owned by CBS - this may give a clue to > where the exciter may be from? > > Cheers, > > Matt > =) From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Jan 07 22:38:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4086 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 06:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 06:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 06:38:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2004 06:38:44 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40578 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 04:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 04:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 04:53:45 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.54.200d03ac (4459) for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:53:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <54.200d03ac.2d2e3c4e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:53:34 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.37 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Motorola 1300 Exciter arrived! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Jan 2004 06:38:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 WSUN was a CBS o&o at one time, before Clear Channel got their hands on it. KGW was owned by King Broadcasting Company, along with KINK 101.9 and KGW-TV Channel 8. King was a big outfit on the West Coast until the end of the 1980s. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Jan 07 22:39:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66157 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 06:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 06:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 06:39:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2004 06:39:01 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29773 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 04:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 04:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 04:53:49 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.1a3.1f03e67a (4459) for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:53:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1a3.1f03e67a.2d2e3c4d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:53:33 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.35 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC goes on sale..and NPR does a joke of a story on it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Jan 2004 06:38:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 NPR has actually done an about-face on IBOC...they're now IBOC foes. They also did an about-face on LPFM in recent months, too...they now support LPFM. As for the story...commercial media would louse up that story more than NPR ever will. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 23:04:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99190 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 07:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 07:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 07:04:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20040108070436.37922.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.101] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 23:04:36 PST Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:04:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <81.2ae4a1f.2d2cf81e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/6/04 9:44:13 PM Eastern > Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.com > writes: > > > > > Uh, listen to his FM's too. GAG! > > > > Powell > > > > > > Which ones are his FM's and how do they really > sound...if a description is > possible > > Bob Carter WCOS-FM, WNOK-FM, 100.1, WLTY (96.7) Smushed flat audio. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jan 07 23:34:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84519 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 07:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 07:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 07:34:46 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.140.201eed6a (3850) for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 02:34:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <140.201eed6a.2d2e6213@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 02:34:43 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.37 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/8/04 2:06:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.com= =20 writes: > WCOS-FM, WNOK-FM, 100.1, WLTY (96.7)=20 >=20 > Smushed flat audio.=20=20 >=20 >=20 Oh wow!...sounds about as exciting as watching the formation of rocks...lol BTW,how long has 96.7 been WLTY? Those calls used to be on 95.7 Norfolk Va= =20 some years ago when it was oldies formated. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jan 08 00:20:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66916 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 08:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 08:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 08:20:47 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.152]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 03:27:01 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c3d5c0$19dda8a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <1a3.1f03e67a.2d2e3c4d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 03:19:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC goes on sale..and NPR does a joke of a story on it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 WCBS 880 made a mention of it also yesterday morning- I only heard it once, and Harley Kearns made it sound so insignificant, I had to laugh. I did not hear it mentioned again after that 3:00 AM blurb. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Jan 08 04:22:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99806 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 12:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 12:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 12:22:07 -0000 Received: from storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 31B02BE12 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 04:22:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA21065; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 04:22:07 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQyF9ekTff9EKneH/MHKbMWHkOTgQIURrfxEMST7wQ8UuaMRUWK58yaAkY= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 06:22:06 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20252-3FFD4B6E-5908@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 7 Jan 2004 10:23:31 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1028 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Well,,,, I guess it is here!!! Digital Radio!!~ According to Paul Harvey, the First consumer Digital AM/ FM radios are now available for sale. Channel 3 Television had a piece on their noon newscast, Tuesday showing some guy buying the first Digital car stereo over somewhere in Iowa. They showed an FM station I think in Cedar Rapids, or maybe Iowa City broadcasting IBOC digital radio over their analog FM frequency. The radio displayed was a "Kenwood" brand car stereo. I am sure it is just a matter of time that other major manufactures will have some digital radios for those "first-adopters" that HAVE to have the latest technology. Maybe these radios will meet and exceed expectations, I don't know. Digital IBOC on the fm band I think will work out okay, Subcarrier signals have been successfully used on FM for years and the current FM Stereo system with 19 khz pilot and 38 khz secondary plus/ minus stereo info has worked just fine. FM Stereo came into being 1960 or 1961 and helped to turn around the then rather sleepy prospects of early FM stations. FM has a lot more spacing between stations, also. Various Sub- carrier services such as RDS, slow speed data and background music via SCA have also developed for the FM band. AM, A different story the 10 khz spacing, lack of immunity from electrical interference and other distance signals , computer harmonics, etc will spell big troubles for IBOC on the AM band.. I suspect many stations IBOC service area will be a fraction of what their analog service coverage can provide. Worse, the digital "hash" from IBOC stations may harm reception of Other AM stations on existing analog radios. Night time skip may prove the real undoing of IBOC on the A.M. Band. Now, our 20 some year old technology of C-Quam AM Stereo works just fine, in my opinion, and at least there are a reasonable number of AM / ST capable receivers in service. I wish the FCC would just leave the AM band IBOC-Less. C-Quam AM Stereo - YES Digital IBOC - NO!! Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Jan 08 07:56:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17057 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 15:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 15:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 15:56:37 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i08FuZ4u013666 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:56:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <007801c3d5ff$ff294f60$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:56:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Letter To WGN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > wrote: > > BTW..as a DX note for everyone here...seeing that I dont think anyone on the > list is within my "normal" coverage area,on 560 AM every night catch the > "great music" from the 90's,80's,70',60's and some beach music from 12:06:30AM > until 12:28:50AM..break for news/weather/commericals,then back at it again from > 12:34AM until 12:58:50AM. Looks like you guys have a pretty tight pattern for a 2 tower directional array. That coupled with the fact that lower frequencies have superior groundwave, but less than average skywave propagation, indicates that the chances of getting a catch here in Indiana is slim, at best. I have never been able to catch Philedilphia here, but I did catch Beckley, WV a couple of times. Do you guys ever get DX reports (even in the distant past)? If so, I'm curious as to the best DX report you know of. From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Thu Jan 08 08:28:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83857 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 16:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 16:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 16:28:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2004 16:28:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 16:28:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c3d5c0$19dda8a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 810 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC goes on sale..and NPR does a joke of a story on it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 The San Francisco Chronicle mentioned that Iowa station starting IBOC and kept quoting people as saying "it's like when FM started". No, if it was all it's cracked-up to be (and with the interference problem, it isn't), it would be more like hearing AM in AMAX Stereo. The story also mentions that analog will also be broadcast along with IBOC, so do any of you think that this will actually help getting AM- Stereo mandated if digital takes off? Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > WCBS 880 made a mention of it also yesterday morning- I only heard it once, > and Harley Kearns made it sound so insignificant, I had to laugh. I did not > hear it mentioned again after that 3:00 AM blurb. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 08 10:43:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 405 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 18:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 18:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 18:43:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2004 18:43:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:43:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 567 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: The Edsel goes on sale..and NPR does a joke of a story on it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The San Francisco Chronicle mentioned that Iowa station starting > IBOC and kept quoting people as saying "it's like when FM started". Actually, it is... because FM was pretty much a failure for the first 20 years of its existence (1940-1960)... it wasn't until the FCC approved FM Stereo and forced stations to cut back on AM/FM simulcasts that it gained any real popularity. And considering that IBOC has been experimented with for at least 12 years now (the first IBOC test station went on in 1992), it's already starting to follow that track brecord.... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 08 10:44:08 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Jan 08 13:24:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69014 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 21:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2004 21:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 21:24:23 -0000 Received: from dialup-67.31.210.95.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([67.31.210.95] helo=earthlink.net) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Aehde-0003KZ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:24:23 -0800 Message-ID: <3FFDCA91.674FD0B3@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 16:24:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.46 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Edsel goes on sale..and NPR does a joke of a story on it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Two other things that contributed to early FM being a failure: 1. The receivers had a lot of drift. 2. The stations were low power, which had the effect of a lot of distortion in the early receivers. Dick W. "Kevin T." wrote: > > The San Francisco Chronicle mentioned that Iowa station starting > > IBOC and kept quoting people as saying "it's like when FM started". > > Actually, it is... because FM was pretty much a failure for the first > 20 years of its existence (1940-1960)... it wasn't until the FCC > approved FM Stereo and forced stations to cut back on AM/FM simulcasts > that it gained any real popularity. > > And considering that IBOC has been experimented with for at least > 12 years now (the first IBOC test station went on in 1992), it's > already starting to follow that track brecord.... > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 08 16:01:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37451 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 00:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 00:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 00:01:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20040109000137.15905.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.123] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 16:01:37 PST Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:01:37 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <140.201eed6a.2d2e6213@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGN's OFFICIAL RESPONSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/8/04 2:06:47 AM Eastern > Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.com > writes: > > > WCOS-FM, WNOK-FM, 100.1, WLTY (96.7) > > > > Smushed flat audio. > > > > > > Oh wow!...sounds about as exciting as watching the > formation of rocks...lol > BTW,how long has 96.7 been WLTY? Those calls used to > be on 95.7 Norfolk Va > some years ago when it was oldies formated. > > Bob Carter Don't know. A few years? It sounds ok at whisper levels.....]:) Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 08 16:05:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20362 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 00:05:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 00:05:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 00:05:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20040109000525.33924.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.123] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 16:05:25 PST Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:05:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3FFDCA91.674FD0B3@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Edsel goes on sale..and NPR does a joke of a story on it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Dick W wrote: > Two other things that contributed to early FM being > a failure: > 1. The receivers had a lot of drift. > 2. The stations were low power, which had the > effect of a lot of > distortion in the early receivers. > Dick W. The early Zeniths were ok, and had slug tuning. They were hot as all get out, but not exceptionally selective. Similar circuit in the Zenith High Fidelity. Slug tuned FM tuner. It does have AFC, but I most often never listen to FM, since the AM is as wide as the FM and sounds as good. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Jan 08 16:39:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88772 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 00:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 00:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 00:39:33 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i090dW4x030688 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:39:32 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i090dXmY001768 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:39:33 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i090dXpI001763 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:39:33 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:39:32 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47323@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:39:30 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load o n the 5w exciter output? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 I've been running it up on the bench at home and it sounds great! - I need to get an unbalanced > balanced DI box / mixer as I've got a fair bit of hum and the audio level is a bit low as the output even from the headphone socket of the CD player is barely enough drive. Do I need to hook a dummy load up to the Exciter Output as it only puts out 5w? I don't want to overheat / fry the output stages! I'm assuming they may have built some protection in against this but I wanted to make sure. I'm just using the Sample TX output with a wire (without the insulation removed as the signal is too strong) going into the antenna input on my ST-JX220A. Cheers, Matt From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jan 08 17:34:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99132 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 01:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 01:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 01:34:22 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.50]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:34:22 -0700 To: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:34:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47323@aubwm206> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load on the 5w exciter output? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think it'll be a problem Matt. I had one here on my bench running it just for fun and it was on for days with no dummy load or anything like that. You should be fine. And yeah I had a problem too getting enough drive out of my walkman to power it. Seems like if I remember right, I ended up taking the output off the sound card of my computer and cranked it up and got a better level to drive the exciter. Don't worry about the exciter output....you're using the sample transmitter output anyway. If you use the exciter output, remember it's only L-R that comes out of there. That's the output that goes into the crystal socket on the transmitter :) Have fun! Michael -----Original Message----- From: Trim, Matthew L [mailto:matthew.trim@eds.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:40 PM To: 'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com' Subject: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load on the 5w exciter output? I've been running it up on the bench at home and it sounds great! - I need to get an unbalanced > balanced DI box / mixer as I've got a fair bit of hum and the audio level is a bit low as the output even from the headphone socket of the CD player is barely enough drive. Do I need to hook a dummy load up to the Exciter Output as it only puts out 5w? I don't want to overheat / fry the output stages! I'm assuming they may have built some protection in against this but I wanted to make sure. I'm just using the Sample TX output with a wire (without the insulation removed as the signal is too strong) going into the antenna input on my ST-JX220A. Cheers, Matt Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 08 18:20:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96621 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 02:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 02:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 02:20:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2004 02:20:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 02:20:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47323@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1024 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.135 Subject: Re: Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load o n the 5w exciter output? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I've been running it up on the bench at home and it sounds great! - > I need to get an unbalanced > balanced DI box / mixer as I've got a > fair bit of hum and the audio level is a bit low as the output even > from the headphone socket of the CD player is barely enough drive. To connect an unbalanced audio source (such as from a CD player or computer sound card) to a device with balanced audio inputs (separate "+", "-", and ground terminals for each channel), make sure the "-" input terminal on each channel is tied to chassis ground, using a small jumper wire. That should get rid of the hum and might also help to increase the input gain. But don't do that on any balanced _output_ terminals -- just use the "+" and ground terminals, and leave the "-" terminal unconnected. That is how I have the balanced output of my CRL AM Stereo Matrix Processor connected to the unbalanced input of my Panasonic AM Stereo generator. It works fine even without any kind of balanced-to- unbalanced matching device. From spfleck@citlink.net Thu Jan 08 18:59:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: spfleck@citlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96398 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 02:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 02:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) (66.133.131.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 02:59:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 21238 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 02:58:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO steve) ([170.215.243.37]) (envelope-sender ) by relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.6) with SMTP for ; 9 Jan 2004 02:58:58 -0000 Message-ID: <014501c3d65c$878e6fa0$01c8a8c0@n2ubp.net> To: References: <20040109000525.33924.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 21:58:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.133.131.34 From: "Steve Fleckenstein" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Edsel goes on sale..and NPR does a joke of a story on it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2988995 X-Yahoo-Profile: n2ubp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > --- Dick W wrote: > > Two other things that contributed to early FM being > > a failure: > > 1. The receivers had a lot of drift. > > 2. The stations were low power, which had the > > effect of a lot of > > distortion in the early receivers. > > Dick W. > I don't know how early is early to you. I have an EICO HFT90 FM tuner with separate multiplex adapter my Dad built around 1960 - 62 Once the tubes warmed up I never had drift problems. The tuner needs a decent outdoor antenna to respectably catch stations but other than that it is ok. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Jan 08 19:30:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 421 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 03:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 03:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 03:30:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2004 03:30:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 03:29:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 982 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 65.65.115.41 Subject: my Marantz SR-940 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Well, I came home from work today and found that my eBay auction prize had arrived. My baby daughter has already gone to bed, so I can't hook up my speakers to it yet... BUT... things are sounding GREAT through the cans. Unfortunately, both of Dallas' AM Stereo music options have powered down for the night, so there is some static in the signals. KAAM remains very listenable, though (and just played some Diana Krall). Disney is horrible, but I'm in a null for that signal during the day as well, so I wasn't expecting any miracles. We shall see what the morning--and daytime transmitter power--brings! P.S. I'm using the telephone line-around-the-receiver-trick, as described on the AMStereoRadio.com Web site, and it has indeed improved reception considerably. KAAM's night time static is much less with this set-up than it usually is in my car at night. Once I get a good ground in place, maybe my audio will enjoy one more stage of night time improvement. From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Jan 08 19:33:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28848 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 03:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 03:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.123) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 03:33:58 -0000 Received: from dialup-67.31.194.112.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([67.31.194.112] helo=earthlink.net) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AenPK-0000WK-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:33:58 -0800 Message-ID: <3FFE2130.ECE4FF41@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 22:34:08 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20040109000525.33924.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> <014501c3d65c$878e6fa0$01c8a8c0@n2ubp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.123 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Edsel goes on sale..and NPR does a joke of a story on it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I was going back to the late 1940s and early 1950s. As far as I know, instead of today's 100kw powerhouses, many FM stations back at that time operated with 2.5kw - 5kw and rooftop antennas. Another thing to keep in mind about early FM - there was a band change after WWII. So the prewar FM radios were made obsolete. This may have made the public a little skeptical about the medium. Steve Fleckenstein wrote: > > --- Dick W wrote: > > > Two other things that contributed to early FM being > > > a failure: > > > 1. The receivers had a lot of drift. > > > 2. The stations were low power, which had the > > > effect of a lot of > > > distortion in the early receivers. > > > Dick W. > > > > I don't know how early is early to you. > > I have an EICO HFT90 FM tuner with separate multiplex adapter my Dad built around 1960 - 62 > Once the tubes warmed up I never had drift problems. > The tuner needs a decent outdoor antenna to respectably catch stations but other than that it is ok. > > Steve > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Jan 08 22:20:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13782 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 06:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 06:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 06:20:55 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040109062048.LSPH11223.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 01:20:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:20:49 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <014501c3d65c$878e6fa0$01c8a8c0@n2ubp.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.125 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Edsel goes on sale..and NPR does a joke of a story on it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think he meant before 1960. About 1960, designs from Harman Kardon=20 (Citation III) and Fisher (most models) were quite good for FM. On Thursday, January 8, 2004, at 06:58 PM, Steve Fleckenstein wrote: > > --- Dick W wrote: > > > Two other things that contributed to early FM being > > > a failure: > > > 1.=A0 The receivers had a lot of drift. > > > 2.=A0 The stations were low power, which had the > > > effect of a lot of > > > distortion in the early receivers. > > > Dick W. > > > > I don't know how early is early to you. > > I have an EICO HFT90 FM tuner with separate multiplex adapter my Dad=20 > built around 1960 - 62 > Once the tubes warmed up I never had drift problems. > The tuner needs a decent outdoor antenna to respectably catch stations=20 > but other than that it is ok. > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jan 09 00:25:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98316 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 08:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 08:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 08:25:47 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.171]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 03:31:28 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c3d689$e19667a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 03:23:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load on the 5w exciter output? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I recommend a dummy load- I use a normal 4 watt night light bulb- It lights up about half brightness. You can risk damaging the outputs in the exciter, as that energy needs someplace to dissapate. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard To: Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load on the 5w exciter output? From amstereo@optushome.com.au Fri Jan 09 02:13:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15202 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 10:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 10:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail017.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.168) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 10:13:47 -0000 Received: from athlon (c210-49-74-241.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.74.241]) by mail017.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id i09ADjD07478 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 21:13:45 +1100 Message-ID: <000f01c3d699$862cd010$2302a8c0@athlon> To: References: <1073642158.482.77525.m12@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:15:36 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 211.29.132.168 From: "amstereo" Subject: Re: Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load on the 5w exciter output? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 I believe it is like running a CB without an antanna hooked up, you run a risk of killing the output transisters due to reasons i am not sure of, think its got somthjing to do with self oscillation. Easy fix is a 5 or 10 watt 50ohm wire wound resister. I personally don't like using lightbulbs cause most start out as a direct short circuit when cold and this brief short circuit could kill the RF amp. Lossy coax with a 50ohm wire resister at the end will do. You have an earthing issue. the hum can be the cd player using a power supply as a return path for the signal. or you have an earth loop. To amp the signal up, either use an old soundblaster type soundcard - the kind that you could drive speakers off without an amp, or an amplifier (headphone out on $10 pc speakers are directly connected to the amp for the speakers without attenuation about 9 or 12V at the output. a bit of audio processing will always help. From matthew.trim@eds.com Fri Jan 09 02:32:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18521 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 10:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 10:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 10:32:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2004 10:32:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:32:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c3d699$862cd010$2302a8c0@athlon> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1945 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 203.63.146.251 Subject: Re: Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load on the 5w exciter output? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Thanks everyone for the tips! Perhaps I could even use a piece of coax, t-piece and 50 ohm terminator from an old 10Base2 network I have here? :) I'll soon know if the terminator gets too hot! Thinking more about it, Motorola must have built in some sort of protection as there is no mention of terminating the output into a dummy load etc when not in use in the manual. Now if you used the TTL output instead of the normal 5w exciter output they would surely have specified that a dummy load is required on the unused output. Anyway I think a few cents for a resistor is good insurance anyway. I've done Kevin T's trick of running my source into a tape deck with record pause so I can use the rec level pot to boost the levels. Approaching a reasonable sound now. I think I'm still going to bite the bullet Monday and buy a $50 Behringer DI-20 box which will allow me to convert the unbalanced rca output of the CD player / computer into a nice balanced signal for the exciter. http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=DI20 I found the hum was actually coming out of the ST-JX220A tuner - I think this is something to do with it being a 240v tuner and with the exciter running off the isolating step down transformer (240v-115v) there is a grounding issue. No matter, as I can use the SRF-A100 fine with no hum as it's battery operated. It shouldn't hopefully be an issue when it is installed at the TX site. Interesting point to note - the exciter has built in protection against single channel modulation - when I use the balance control on the tape deck to send audio into only one channel, I'm still getting about 25% bleed through into the opposite channel. I'm sure there is a pot inside the exciter where I can adjust this level. So it looks like the Model 1300 exciter already had efforts by Motorola to reduce the problem of single channel audio and mono compatibility? Cheers, Matt From oldphones@webtv.net Fri Jan 09 05:39:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47547 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 13:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 13:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.193) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 13:39:45 -0000 Received: from storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id C642FBE0D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 05:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA13994; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 05:39:44 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRHM7npJXFy8jYcQdxJbeKXx44nzwIUVNjoEoHqVlbf6prANo88HyiAeVo= Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 07:39:44 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <8014-3FFEAF20-59@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 9 Jan 2004 09:55:58 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.193 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Early FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Yes, A lot of things "hurt " early FM broadcasting. Most stations had relativity low power initially, until higher power transmitter were developed, The antenna(s) on top of a 10-20 story building were petty common in the early days. Two of these early sites still exists in my community (Omaha, NE) as auxiliary sites for two stations KSRZ 104.5 still has it's backup from the days of being KESY on top of an apartment building , and KEFM 96.1 has it's backup on the top of the City National Bank building, The original Western Electric antenna (circa 1950) was replaced with a modern tower in the early eighty's KEFM ( KOIL-FM) had moved it's transmitter to a nearby apartment building in downtown from the mid- sixties until a tornado blew it down in 1980, thus they returned to the original transmitter site at City National. My dad has a Zenith Am/FM tube radio circa 1948, It is still in working condition. The FM on it is okay, but has trouble getting the weaker stations. My sister and Brother IN law that lives in Cedar Rapids, Iowa has a rare dual band FM radio with both the current 100 Mhz band and the old 45 MHZ band 42-49.99 I belive. Don't know if that radio still works or not. The low band is pretty vacant now days. The only user I know of the The Nebraska State Patrol on 42 Mhz, I had a look at a 1960 vintage RCA FM transmitter a few years ago, at the KFAB-AM transmitter site. They had the original KFAB-FM 1960 RCA FM rig plus a newer RCA FM transmitter on tower# 4 of the AM array. The old rig had the FM stereo exciter and SCA generator, also. The newer rig serves as the auxiliary transmitter for present day KGOR 99.9 115,000 watts ERP. Seeing such vintage equipment was quite interesting. Putting an sister FM on an existing AM tower was another common plan in the 50's, 60's. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jan 09 07:05:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87738 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 15:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 15:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 15:05:31 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:05:31 -0700 Message-ID: <002601c3d6c2$067dc0d0$5401010a@AM> To: References: <002701c3d689$e19667a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:05:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load on the 5w exciter output? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess I got lucky, then! phew! MJR ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Cuff To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 1:23 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load on the 5w exciter output? I recommend a dummy load- I use a normal 4 watt night light bulb- It lights up about half brightness. You can risk damaging the outputs in the exciter, as that energy needs someplace to dissapate. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard To: Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load on the 5w exciter output? Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Jan 09 07:53:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68524 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 15:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 15:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.9) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 15:53:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 07:53:35 -0800 Received: from 205.160.194.34 by by99fd.bay99.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:53:35 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:53:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2004 15:53:35.0707 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD780AB0:01C3D6C8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.175.9 From: "R C" X-Originating-IP: [205.160.194.34] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load on the 5w exciter output? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Go to Radio Shack and get thier 5w dummy load they sell for CB radios. it should work fine. >From: "Michael J. Richard" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a >dummy load on the 5w exciter output? >Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:05:31 -0700 > >I guess I got lucky, then! > >phew! > >MJR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Cuff > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 1:23 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a >dummy load on the 5w exciter output? > > > I recommend a dummy load- I use a normal 4 watt night light bulb- It >lights > up about half brightness. You can risk damaging the outputs in the >exciter, > as that energy needs someplace to dissapate. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael J. Richard > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:34 PM > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a > dummy load on the 5w exciter output? > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >Service. > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger — learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Jan 09 07:55:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46600 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 15:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 15:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 15:55:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 07:55:25 -0800 Received: from 205.160.194.34 by by99fd.bay99.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:55:25 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:55:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2004 15:55:25.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[FEE06D30:01C3D6C8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.175.64 From: "R C" X-Originating-IP: [205.160.194.34] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load on the 5w exciter output? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd PS, if you ever go to sell that exciter let me know as I am in the market for a AM Stereo Tx that is of a reasonable output like 100mw. >From: "Michael J. Richard" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a >dummy load on the 5w exciter output? >Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:05:31 -0700 > >I guess I got lucky, then! > >phew! > >MJR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Cuff > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 1:23 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a >dummy load on the 5w exciter output? > > > I recommend a dummy load- I use a normal 4 watt night light bulb- It >lights > up about half brightness. You can risk damaging the outputs in the >exciter, > as that energy needs someplace to dissapate. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael J. Richard > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:34 PM > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a > dummy load on the 5w exciter output? > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >Service. > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger — learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jan 09 08:10:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68394 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 16:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 16:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 16:10:41 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 09:10:40 -0700 Message-ID: <004801c3d6cb$207835c0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 09:10:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load on the 5w exciter output? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Aren't the Alfredo Lite's about that? They're NICE little AM Stereo transmitters. A lot of us have those and we love 'em. Matt paid about $500 for that Motorola exciter from a used equipment company. Alfredo Lite transmitters are a lot less than that. Good luck! Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: "R C" To: Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:55 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load on the 5w exciter output? > PS, if you ever go to sell that exciter let me know as I am in the market > for a AM Stereo Tx that is of a reasonable output like 100mw. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 09 09:54:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76713 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 17:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 17:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 17:54:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2004 17:54:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:54:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004801c3d6cb$207835c0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 216 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.163 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load on the 5w exciter output? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: -80 ; IPCR=g-w0,n0,g100 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Aren't the Alfredo Lite's about that? They're NICE little AM Stereo > transmitters. Less than that- Just 10mW. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jan 09 11:04:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79221 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 19:04:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 19:04:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 19:04:33 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.50]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:04:10 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:03:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004801c3d6cb$207835c0$5401010a@AM> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: new airchecks posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang Just posted some new airchecks to the AM Stereo FTP site. Quite possibly the LAST stereo airchecks of WGN ever recorded. These were recorded in the chicago area using a Fanfare FTA-100 tuner. There are some of WGN on Christmas Day and Christmas Eve, as well as WLS on Christmas Eve and Christmas day. Enjoy! Michael n WYO Admin - amstereoradio.com ftp site [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jan 09 11:33:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72220 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 19:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 19:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 19:33:13 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.50]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:33:13 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:33:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} new airchecks posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now also posted....aircheck of Chicago area Radio Disney affiliate WRDZ. Recorded Christmas Day 2003 from a Fanfare FTA-100 tuner about 45 miles from the transmitter site. Michael n WYO Admin - amstereoradio.com FTP site [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 09 11:36:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20313 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 19:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 19:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 19:36:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20040109193638.58741.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 11:36:38 PST Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:36:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.151 From: "John P." Subject: Radio World AM Stereo news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From Radio World: AM Stereo: One On, One Off As one station turns on an AM stereo signal, another turns it off. On Dec. 30, AM stereo was set up on WSOS at 1170 kHz in Augustine Beach, Fla. The station, running an oldies format, is owned by 3 Point Media of Florida. According to engineer Alan Alsobrook, it had been stereo previously under different owners. "They lost their stereo processor to lighting some time before they sold it and ran in mono for a year with just a pilot," he said. "When the station was purchased and I relocated the transmitter, I eyed all the stereo equipment, which was all in good shape. Later, as I went through the public file, I found several letters from listeners complaining that the station was no longer in stereo." New studios were already built with stereo capability, and the transmitter was collocated. Alsobrook wonders if this will be "the last new C-Quam station ever on the air in the USA." "I'm curious to see if anyone notices," he told Radio World. Meanwhile, columnist Robert Feder of the Chicago Sun-Times writes this week that WGN(AM), owned by Tribune Co., has installed a new Harris transmitter and chose not to equip it for stereo, 22 years after it went stereo in that big market. "Mark Krieschen, vice president and general manager of WGN, confirmed the move and noted that Harris has sold 40 similar transmitters, 'and from what we hear, not one station has gone stereo,'" the columnist reported, but he notes that "angry correspondents to Web sites and online message boards" have complained about the change. What - do we have 'angry correspondents'? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Jan 09 11:44:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26279 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 19:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 19:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 19:44:33 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.64.39483768 (3310) for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:44:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <64.39483768.2d305e91@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:44:17 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.162 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy loa... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/9/04 5:35:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 matthew.trim@eds.com writes: > Perhaps I could even use a piece of coax, t-piece and 50 ohm=20 > terminator from an old 10Base2 network I have here? :) I'll soon=20 > know if the terminator gets too hot! As long as the dummy load is not made of a resister with wire winding in it= =20 you'll be ok. Get 5, 10 ohm carbon resistors with a wattage value of 2 watts,put them in= =20 series to get 50 ohms.That "get up" should handle the 5 watt output of that= =20 exciter without much trouble. >=20 > Thinking more about it, Motorola must have built in some sort of=20 > protection as there is no mention of terminating the output into a=20 > dummy load etc when not in use in the manual. Now if you used the=20 > TTL output instead of the normal 5w exciter output they would surely=20 > have specified that a dummy load is required on the unused output. >=20 > Anyway I think a few cents for a resistor is good insurance anyway. >=20 Its always best to put a terminating load on the outputs.Otherwise without= =20 the loads,you could run the risk of damaging the RF stages due to the compo= nents=20 over heating because the RF engery has nowhere to go.Most newer devices hav= e=20 a feature called "fold back".this allows the RF device to "lower" its power= to=20 keep from being damaged....but the older stuff like these exciters probably= =20 do not have such a feature,but enough headroom was incorporated to allow fo= r=20 variances in different loads...so there isnt much to worry if the load isnt= =20 exactly 50 ohms.These exciters can handle a bit of mismatch because not eve= ry=20 crystal socket,oscillator circuit is going to look like 50 ohms to the outp= ut of=20 the exciter.Above all,avoid shorting out the output of the exciter.Doing so= =20 would result in the built in smoke being released.Electronic devices do not= work=20 after the built in smoke is released. The RF output on this exciters is usually in the area of 38 Vp-p into a 50= =20 ohm load. The sample transmitter output has an output of 2Vp-p into a 50 ohm load. > I've done Kevin T's trick of running my source into a tape deck with=20 > record pause so I can use the rec level pot to boost the levels.=20=20 > Approaching a reasonable sound now. I think I'm still going to bite=20 > the bullet Monday and buy a $50 Behringer DI-20 box which will allow=20 > me to convert the unbalanced rca output of the CD player / computer=20 > into a nice balanced signal for the exciter. >=20 As far as the audio or program content into these exciters..here are some=20 specs: Audio input: Right 0 dBm to 10 dBm balanced 600 ohms Left 0 dBm to 10 dBm balance 600 ohms -Some-- exciters were shipped with an adjustable factory installed pad,per= =20 customer requirements. So be sure whatever source that you are using has 600 ohm balanced outputs= =20 and has enough output to make decent radio. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jan 09 11:44:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23755 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 19:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 19:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 19:44:50 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.50]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:44:49 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:44:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040109193638.58741.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Radio World AM Stereo news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We can get angry, but must remember to be very professional in our corrospondence with in situations like this. Remember to keep professionalism. Othewise it just leads to this whole list being known as "a bunch of pyscho nerds that live in la-la land." which of course we are not. We are a group of people who are passionate about AM Stereo and use this forum to discuss it and current issues with it. We attempt to promote its availability, abilities, and so forth. We MIGHT get a little help or a few more professionals on the list if it remains at a professional level. We're doing very well in that department these days and I'm quite proud of us (even though I, myself have been known to do a little ClearChannel and/or IBOC bashing :) ) Michael n Wyo -----Original Message----- From: John P. [mailto:toledohamradio@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 12:37 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Radio World AM Stereo news What - do we have 'angry correspondents'? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jan 09 11:50:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11806 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 19:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 19:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 19:50:49 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.50]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:50:49 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:50:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <64.39483768.2d305e91@aol.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy loa... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LMAO!!!! I love the "built-in smoke thing". I guess I can laugh only because I have released the built-in smoke way too many times meself! Thanks, Bob! Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com [mailto:KC4QLP@aol.com] Above all,avoid shorting out the output of the exciter.Doing so would result in the built in smoke being released.Electronic devices do not work after the built in smoke is released. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Jan 09 11:56:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23838 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 19:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 19:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 19:56:43 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.189.237f8177 (3310) for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:56:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <189.237f8177.2d306175@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:56:37 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.37 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load on ... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/9/04 11:18:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, michaelj@vcn.c= om=20 writes: > Aren't the Alfredo Lite's about that? They're NICE little AM Stereo > transmitters. > A lot of us have those and we love 'em. > Matt paid about $500 for that Motorola exciter from a used equipment > company. Alfredo Lite transmitters are a lot less than that. > Good luck! >=20 Besides if your looking to do part 15 operations..if you use the exciter wi= th=20 its power out as is..you'll have to go carrier current.Also to note,these=20 exciters by themselves will only give you the phase modulated part of the A= M=20 signal that you need for AM Stereo. You'll still need a basic AM transmitte= r with=20 extremely low incidental phase modulation characteristics,replace the cryst= al=20 in the transmitter with the C-Quam exciter. The Alfredos is all of that built into one "box" if you will and has a powe= r=20 output of something much less than 100mw.A small amp or modification is eas= y=20 enough to get 100mw of power. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 09 12:44:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22184 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 20:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 20:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 20:44:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20040109204416.31883.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.157.241.223] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 12:44:16 PST Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:44:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3FFE2130.ECE4FF41@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Edsel goes on sale..and NPR does a joke of a story on it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Dick W wrote: > I was going back to the late 1940s and early 1950s. > As far as I know, instead of today's 100kw > powerhouses, many FM stations back at that time > operated with 2.5kw - 5kw and rooftop antennas. > Another thing to keep in mind about early FM - there > was a band change after WWII. So the prewar FM > radios were made obsolete. This may have made the > public a little skeptical about the medium. I've seen radios with both FM bands. Even the early Zeniths were a step above all the others. And let us not forget, there were very few FM signals, and many people were many miles from a signal, therefore outdoor antennas were necessary. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From stodd@vippn.com Fri Jan 09 12:58:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83541 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 20:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 20:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 20:57:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2004 20:57:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 20:57:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47323@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 633 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load o n the 5w exciter output? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > > Do I need to hook a dummy load up to the Exciter Output as it only puts out > 5w? I don't want to overheat / fry the output stages! I'm assuming they > may have built some protection in against this but I wanted to make sure. While standard operating proceedure would say yes, I noticed nowhere in the manual is it mandated or even mentioned. One would think something like that wouldn't be overlooked by the manufacturer. I believe the output level is adjustable, so set it for minimum power for now and don't worry. Scott Todd From stodd@vippn.com Fri Jan 09 13:06:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71358 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 21:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 21:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 21:06:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2004 21:05:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:05:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 780 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Another station for cheap? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Looks like the University of North Dakota is selling one of their AM stations. From yesterday's Radio Business Report: Station for sale Radio Station Equipment, AM FCC license The University of North Dakota is accepting sealed bids for the sale of certain Radio Station Equipment, and transfer of the FCC license, for AM Station KUND at Grand Forks, North Dakota. Interested parties should contact the University of North Dakota Purchasing Office to request a bid form at 701-777-2132 or gerald.clancy@mail.und.nodak.edu There was a bit more on this in today's Grand Forks newspaper in that it will be the license and equipment for sale, but the property is being sold to developers. It's supposed to have a good signal; freq. is 1370. Market is OK too. Scott Todd From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Jan 09 13:37:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68768 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 21:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 21:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 21:37:54 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.10f.2ad4449f (3310) for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 16:37:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <10f.2ad4449f.2d307923@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 16:37:39 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.102 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another station for cheap? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [digs in pockets and pulls out 2 grams of pocket lint] Well I dont have much,but it'll be fun to see who grabs it up. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Jan 09 17:00:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1546 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2004 01:00:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2004 01:00:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2004 01:00:50 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i0A10hW6071745 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:00:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003b01c3d715$2f26e8b0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:00:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another station for cheap? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Station for sale > Radio Station Equipment, > AM FCC license > The University of North Dakota is accepting sealed bids for the sale > of certain Radio Station Equipment, and transfer of the FCC license, > for AM Station KUND at Grand Forks, North Dakota. Interested parties > should contact the University of North Dakota Purchasing Office to > request a bid form at 701-777-2132 or gerald.clancy@mail.und.nodak.edu > > There was a bit more on this in today's Grand Forks newspaper in that > it will be the license and equipment for sale, but the property is > being sold to developers. It's supposed to have a good signal; freq. > is 1370. Market is OK too. Perhaps another case where the property became worth more than the station, although for a Class B, they have a very desirable license. They are 1,000 watts days, 250 watts nights, omnidiectional, meaning they have a single tower at the TX site. Most class B's require a 2 or 3 tower array for their night-time pattern, thus the real-estate expense, plus cost of phasing equipment and equipment for operating a directional AM station are considerable. This station still has a great contour, great coverage of their city of license with minimal real-estate and equipment investment. 1370 is a regional frequency and way out in Outer Mongolia I'll bet the noise platform is minimal. I don't know much about Grand Forks, North Dakota but it sure sounds like cold(er) weather to me. At least the prospective buyer won't have to find a new transmitter site for a directional array. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 09 17:16:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75991 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2004 01:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2004 01:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2004 01:16:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2004 01:16:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 01:16:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 567 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.13 Subject: Re: electronic mishaps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I love the "built-in smoke thing". I guess I can laugh only > because I have released the built-in smoke way too many times > meself! I once saw a "wisp" of smoke come out of the radio in the dashboard of my car, while I was driving. Not good!! But it must have been from the cassette player circuitry, because the radio part actually still worked after that. Then there was the time I was working on my old 486 PC, and accidentally ripped off one of the pins of its BIOS chip. I was able to get it working again with a sewing pin and some Scotch tape! From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Jan 09 17:44:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7116 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2004 01:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2004 01:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.117) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2004 01:44:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:44:37 -0800 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav13.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 01:44:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: <004801c3d6cb$207835c0$5401010a@AM> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:44:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2004 01:44:37.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E1EDC40:01C3D71B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.117 From: "Robert" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 Exciter: Will I burn it out without a dummy load on the 5w exciter output? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I Got a Alfredo Lite, but I think it is 10mw. I have been actively searching for a 100mw Linear and a NRSC Filter for it and maybe a good processor design for it. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Fri Jan 09 17:50:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54036 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2004 01:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2004 01:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2004 01:50:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2004 01:50:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 01:50:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 297 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: Another station for cheap? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > The University of North Dakota is accepting sealed bids for the > sale > of certain Radio Station Equipment Wonder if it was a student-run station....If it was, then too bad....I wouldn't have had a career in radio if it wasn't for such stations (WRUF AM/FM in Gainesville, Fla.). --Tony From matthew.trim@eds.com Sat Jan 10 00:24:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55514 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2004 08:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2004 08:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2004 08:24:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2004 08:24:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 08:24:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1803 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 203.63.146.251 Subject: Motorola 1300 SampTXOut Airchecks are in! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day, I'm very excited (pardon the pun!) to announce two airchecks I have recorded from the Motorola 1300 Exciter set at 620 AM. I wrapped a wire around my SRF-A1 that was connected to the Sample Transmitter Output jack at the back. No direct connection to the radio, just RF inducted directly into the ferrite antenna of the radio. There is a slight 8khz whistle which I believe was caused by our 50kw powerhouse on 612 AM. I wrapped the SRF-A1 and wire in aluminium foil and it reduced the whistle a little - it's not terribly loud. However I'm sure most will agree these well and truly demonstrate the amazing sound quality capable of the Motorola 1300 and what is truly possible in absolute best conditions. I've no doubt using a quality TX and antenna array would result in sound almost this good. For program source, I thought rather than re-invent the wheel I would use my local FM powerhouse, that uses the veritable Omnia 6FM processor. Feeding it from my nice Kenwood KT-727 tuner into an Akai AA-R20 early 80's receiver, out the headphone jack (boosting the levels a bit), into a Denon DRR-680 Cassette deck with rec pause. Boosting the levels even more using the input level control, finally into the Motorola 1300 balanced inputs. (I'm sure if I used a DI box I may be able to do a tad better by eliminating the extra signal path and boosting the levels a bit) Anyway, enough talk - enjoy the Airchecks! *** Warning these are large as I didn't want to spoil the sound quality - use a download manager such as Getright, that way you don't need to download the full file if you don't want to and can resume if you are on a modem *** ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/demos/motorola1300-1.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/demos/motorola1300-2.mp3 Cheers, Matt From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 01:11:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52855 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2004 09:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2004 09:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2004 09:11:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2004 09:11:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:11:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1410 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.13 Subject: New IBOC audio samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics It seems iBiquity has _finally_ updated their IBOC audio sample page: http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/hdradio_experience.htm The "AM analog" sample is 5 kHz mono -- certainly it can't hold a candle to the way analog AM _should_ sound, but it's at least not as bad as the previous AM analog samples they've had on their site. "AM digital" is the same artifact-laden 36 kbps audio we've come to know and hate. This time, however, they picked a soft classical music example, so the screechy "spectrally replicated" treble is not as annoyingly obvious -- but anybody with an average set of ears can notice the limited quality. "FM analog" is a joke -- muffled, staticky MONO. Yes, sometimes FM can sound as bad as that... but is it a fair comparison? As of yet, iBiquity has NEVER compared IBOC digital FM to analog FM STEREO... always mono. "FM digital" is supposed to be IBOC at its best -- but I can still hear the artifacts. It is NOT even close to "CD quality", as they claim. The drums and percussion sound wholly unnatural, and the vocal sibilance suffers the worst -- for example, it turns the "tz" sound in "ritzy restaurant" into a burst of chirpy digital noise. So, there you have it... and the $64,000 question is, will consumers spend $500 to $800+ to hear this kind of AM & FM digital audio, from the same stations that sound better on analog receivers costing much less? From bratina501@msn.com Sat Jan 10 03:56:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23335 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2004 11:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2004 11:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2004 11:56:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2004 11:56:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:56:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 890 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.143 Subject: Re: New IBOC audio samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > "AM digital" is the same artifact-laden 36 kbps audio we've come to > know and hate. This time, however, they picked a soft classical > music example, so the screechy "spectrally replicated" treble is not > as annoyingly obvious -- but anybody with an average set of ears can > notice the limited quality. > > "FM digital" is supposed to be IBOC at its best -- but I can still > hear the artifacts. It is NOT even close to "CD quality", as they > claim. The drums and percussion sound wholly unnatural, and the > vocal sibilance suffers the worst -- for example, it turns the "tz" > sound in "ritzy restaurant" into a burst of chirpy digital noise. > I downloaded the files and I will run them through a spectral analysis program along with the files from the WOR website and compare them. From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Jan 10 05:39:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65557 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2004 13:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2004 13:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2004 13:39:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2004 13:39:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:39:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 882 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.102 Subject: Re: new airchecks posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules Those were some of the "worst" airchecks I ever heard of WGN. There was no separation, and it sounded like an FM station drifting or some other interference. Wierd. When I listened to WGN on Christmas Day 2003, there was definitely strong separation, and it sounded sooo good, much better than those recordings. I listened to those WJR and CFCO clips taken from the Fanfare tuner. Is it my imagination, or does it seem like the Fanfare tuner cuts off the high frequencies? When I listen to mono stations on a McKay Dymek AM 7 tuner, there is so much high frequencies, like the stations are deliberately pre-emphasizing (amplifying) the high notes tremendously. Did anyone notice the pictures taken of the inside of the Fanfare tuner on their web site? A few pictures did not have the blue ceramic resonator installed next to the MC13022 chip? -Mario From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 06:38:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37124 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2004 14:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2004 14:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2004 14:38:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20040110143816.88025.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 06:38:16 PST Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 06:38:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: new airchecks posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- amstereorules wrote: > I listened to those WJR and CFCO clips taken from > the Fanfare > tuner. Is it my imagination, or does it seem like > the Fanfare tuner > cuts off the high frequencies? > > When I listen to mono stations on a McKay Dymek > AM 7 tuner, there > is so much high frequencies, like the stations are > deliberately > pre-emphasizing (amplifying) the high notes > tremendously. I expect the AM 7 is not NRSC compliant and the NRSC EQ will cause that. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 06:39:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53755 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2004 14:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2004 14:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2004 14:39:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20040110143920.92602.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 06:39:20 PST Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 06:39:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.81 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola 1300 SampTXOut Airchecks are in! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Hmm, they sound better than the Ibiquity HD radio ones. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 06:49:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52646 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2004 14:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2004 14:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2004 14:49:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20040110144927.9522.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 06:49:27 PST Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 06:49:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New IBOC audio samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > It seems iBiquity has _finally_ updated their IBOC > audio sample page: > > http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/hdradio_experience.htm > > The "AM analog" sample is 5 kHz mono -- certainly it > can't hold a > candle to the way analog AM _should_ sound, but it's > at least not as > bad as the previous AM analog samples they've had on > their site. They SHOULD have had a sample of the same audio with properly processed full bandwidth AM, but then they wouldn't sell any stuff. At least the sample here to hear doesn't sound like what analog sounds like when HD is being run. > "AM digital" is the same artifact-laden 36 kbps > audio we've come to > know and hate. This time, however, they picked a > soft classical > music example, so the screechy "spectrally > replicated" treble is not > as annoyingly obvious -- but anybody with an average > set of ears can > notice the limited quality. It sounds like the modulation levels are rather low, so that has benefits also. > "FM analog" is a joke -- muffled, staticky MONO. > Yes, sometimes FM > can sound as bad as that... but is it a fair > comparison? It sounds like they deliberately made it sound bad as a comparison. The bass is distorted, and it sounds as if they deliberately tuned the receiver slightly off frequency to get that sound on a very cheap radio. > As of yet, > iBiquity has NEVER compared IBOC digital FM to > analog FM STEREO... > always mono. > > "FM digital" is supposed to be IBOC at its best -- > but I can still > hear the artifacts. It is NOT even close to "CD > quality", as they > claim. With all the horridly compressed and EQ'd CD's ....this also could be an unintended slam at themselves and HD radio !! > The drums and percussion sound wholly > unnatural, and the > vocal sibilance suffers the worst -- for example, it > turns the "tz" > sound in "ritzy restaurant" into a burst of chirpy > digital noise. > > So, there you have it... and the $64,000 question > is, will consumers > spend $500 to $800+ to hear this kind of AM & FM > digital audio, from > the same stations that sound better on analog > receivers costing much > less? Only the dips that think digital is best no matter if it actually sounds better. Audio quality in a lot of modern devices simply does NOT exist. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 10:21:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34095 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2004 18:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2004 18:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2004 18:21:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2004 18:21:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:21:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 778 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.163 Subject: Re: new airchecks posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > > I listened to those WJR and CFCO clips taken from the Fanfare > tuner. Is it my imagination, or does it seem like the Fanfare tuner > cuts off the high frequencies? The Fanfare tuner has a variable bandwidth control depending on signal strength. The WJR and CFCO recordings are all DX recordings, since they were recorded in Toledo, Ohio, not Cincinatti, OH or Chatham, Ontario, Canada. > When I listen to mono stations on a McKay Dymek AM 7 tuner, there > is so much high frequencies, like the stations are deliberately > pre-emphasizing (amplifying) the high notes tremendously. They do, to compensate for some of the narrow filters used in most radios. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dougharding@mindspring.com Sat Jan 10 12:36:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16710 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2004 20:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2004 20:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2004 20:35:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2004 20:35:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:35:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 762 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.7.252 Subject: Re: Fanfare sound quality X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I own the Fanfare FTA-100. It sounds better then the Carver TX-11b when using Chris Cuffs new Alfredo lite transmitter. It sounds just like FM stereo. Very brite and clear. Amy is right in that if there is background noise or interference on DXed stations it will automaticly limit the bandwidth. It also limits the bandwidth automaticly on stations broadcasting IBOC. On WQAM 560 here the bandwidth button has no effect. The Fanfare keeps it in narrow band mode to cut out the IBOC hash. > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" > wrote: > > > > I listened to those WJR and CFCO clips taken from the Fanfare > > tuner. Is it my imagination, or does it seem like the Fanfare tuner > > cuts off the high frequencies? From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Jan 10 14:20:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29939 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2004 22:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2004 22:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2004 22:20:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: n0uiheric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2004 22:20:22 -0000 X-Sender: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58078 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2004 21:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2004 21:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2004 21:33:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2004 21:33:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:33:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 215 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "n0uih" X-Originating-IP: 172.201.247.43 Subject: Another Revision to Receiver Standards...and an IBOC Elimination petition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Jan 2004 22:20:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 I have made a further revision to the Revised Receiver Standards petition, and added a petition to eliminate all digital radio operations below 1 GHz (1000 MHz) in the United States. As always, input is welcome. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Jan 10 17:05:01 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Jan 10 17:11:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17867 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 01:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 01:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 01:11:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2004 01:11:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:11:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 895 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: Another Revision to Receiver Standards...and an IBOC Elimination petition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "n0uih" wrote: > I have made a further revision to the Revised Receiver Standards > petition, and added a petition to eliminate all digital radio > operations below 1 GHz (1000 MHz) in the United States. As always, > input is welcome. You shouldn't force stations that were IBOC-DAB to C-Quam. That will never fly. Also, stations should not be compensated if they purchased IBOC gear, nor should iBiquity finance any changeover to C- Quam. It's unrealistic. What SHOULD fly... and is not mentioned... is mandated receiver design... that all AM recievers as of a certain date that have FM stereo should have AM stereo and ALL AM receivers should be AMAX certified. Also, the FCC should demend that expanded band AM's start broadcasting in stereo as was originally intended. You build the radios.. stations will convert to stereo. From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jan 10 17:26:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58355 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 01:26:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 01:26:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 01:26:07 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.1cc.1782b5d3 (30950) for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:26:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1cc.1782b5d3.2d32002a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:26:02 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.103 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Another Revision to Receiver Standards...and an IBOC Eliminati... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/10/04 8:11:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 evergreenterrace@buzzle.com writes: > What SHOULD fly... and is not mentioned... is mandated > receiver design... that all AM recievers as of a certain date that > have FM stereo should have AM stereo and ALL AM receivers should be > AMAX certified. Also, the FCC should demend that expanded band AM's=20 > start broadcasting in stereo as was originally intended. >=20 > You build the radios.. stations will convert to stereo. >=20 >=20 That pretty much sums it all up and should be "the way to go" with this.=20 Anything else would be just a pipe dream. Of course trying to get receiver standards mandated sounds like a pipe drea= m=20 within it self in many ways considering the state of the industry right now= . One thing though...it never hurts to try and see what will happen. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 17:32:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93379 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 01:32:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 01:32:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 01:32:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2004 01:32:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:32:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2350 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.163 Subject: Re: Another Revision to Receiver Standards...and an IBOC Elimination petition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "n0uih" wrote: > > I have made a further revision to the Revised Receiver Standards > > petition, and added a petition to eliminate all digital radio > > operations below 1 GHz (1000 MHz) in the United States. As always, > > input is welcome. > > You shouldn't force stations that were IBOC-DAB to C-Quam. That will > never fly. Also, stations should not be compensated if they > purchased IBOC gear, nor should iBiquity finance any changeover to C- > Quam. It's unrealistic. I fully agree with the above response. However... > What SHOULD fly... and is not mentioned... is mandated > receiver design... that all AM recievers as of a certain date that > have FM stereo should have AM stereo and ALL AM receivers should be > AMAX certified. Also, the FCC should demend that expanded band AM's > start broadcasting in stereo as was originally intended. I feel this is equally unrealistic, although I do agree with the concept of minimum receiver quality standards that offer a competitive acceptable audio quality, but I won't support C-QUAM or any other analog AM stereo system as a requirement for all broadcasters or receivers, but how about this: A minimum percentage of receivers, say 20%, be made with AM stereo capability? This is a FAR more realistic goal than saying "all FM stereo radios must have AM stereo". (Actually, 10-15% might be a better minimum, since it shouldn't put too much strain on the industry, and the receivers would be readily available for those who want it.) > You build the radios.. stations will convert to stereo. Radios are already there, since most listen in the car. Right now, about 10% of all radios in use- mostly auto radios- are C-QUAM AM stereo capable, but not quite 5% of all AM stations are C-QUAM, and there's a prevailing belief that no-one listens, and there are no receivers, so why bother? MTS TV stereo, which enjoy only slightly better propagation of receivers- about 15%- is considered successful, with 80+% of all TV stations broadcasting in stereo. It's not whether there are radios- There always will be, but whether anyone is actually LISTENING in stereo. Prove that, and you might gain some converts! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 21:40:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34314 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 05:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 05:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 05:40:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20040111054040.35032.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:40:40 PST Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:40:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.151 From: "John P." Subject: Why can't HD-R be worth a ****? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin T said: "iBiquity has NEVER compared IBOC digital FM to analog FM STEREO...always mono." To which I reply: More importantly, they have never had a Stereo AM 10KHz audio sample to compare iBiquity HD-R to analog either...put a Fanfare sample on their website and I'll be a whole lot more stations would be happy with CQuam. I could manage to get excited at iBiquity's HD-R -IF- it was actually better than 10KHz Stereo AM C-Quam, but in my opinion, it is not. If it's going to trash the adjacents, at least it could sound better than CQuam, but it doesn't either. So what good it is - you can say digital? Why doesn't iBiquity just give up on HD-R/IBOC and mandate CQuam in all iBiquity HD-R FM rigs that they must have CQuam AM stereo? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jan 11 02:03:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49466 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 10:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 10:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.109) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 10:03:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:03:21 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:03:21 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:03:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2004 10:03:21.0575 (UTC) FILETIME=[24E57770:01C3D82A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.109 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Why can't HD-R be worth a ****? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 John of Toledo posed a great question: "Why doesn't iBiquity just give up on HD-R/IBOC and mandate CQuam in all iBiquity HD-R FM rigs that they must have CQuam AM stereo?" ~~~~~~~~~~ Can you say "Michael Powell" ~~ slight pause ~~ Good I knew you could! ~~~~~~~~~~ Donn, Mr Rogers, Tillman St Petersburg,FL strongly suspecting Michael Powell and other FCC members are eating (and getting fat $$)from the Iquitity trough as well as the NAB trough. _________________________________________________________________ Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/prep04.armx From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 02:48:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77774 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 10:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 10:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 10:48:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20040111104851.83649.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:48:51 PST Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:48:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040111054040.35032.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.88 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why can't HD-R be worth a ****? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > I could manage to get excited at iBiquity's HD-R > -IF- it was actually better > than 10KHz Stereo AM C-Quam, but in my opinion, it > is not. If it's going to > trash the adjacents, at least it could sound better > than CQuam, but it doesn't > either. So what good it is - you can say digital? > > Why doesn't iBiquity just give up on HD-R/IBOC and > mandate CQuam in all > iBiquity HD-R FM rigs that they must have CQuam AM > stereo? Because they couldn't get stations to put billions in their pockets. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 02:51:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32331 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 10:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 10:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 10:51:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20040111105118.53098.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:51:18 PST Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:51:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.81 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Why can't HD-R be worth a ****? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Donn Tillman wrote: > > John of Toledo posed a great question: > > > "Why doesn't iBiquity just give up on HD-R/IBOC and > mandate CQuam in all > iBiquity HD-R FM rigs that they must have CQuam AM > stereo?" > ~~~~~~~~~~ > Can you say > "Michael Powell" NO... > ~~ slight pause ~~ > > Good I knew you could! Gee Donnnnnnnnn....I didn't know Michael Powell was FCC commissioner for over 10 years and under the Clinton administration too... *** EVEN longer pause *** SIGH! As far as digital goes this is ancient technology. So called newer codec not withstanding. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jan 11 03:12:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30893 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 11:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 11:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 11:12:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:12:19 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:12:18 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:12:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2004 11:12:19.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[C732C1F0:01C3D833] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.83 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Why can't HD-R be worth a ****? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Why can't HD-R be worth a ****? An exaperated Mr Powell wrote: "Gee Donnnnnnnnn....I didn't know Michael Powell was FCC commissioner for over 10 years and under the Clinton administration too..." An even more exasperated Donn responds: Gee Powellllll.... Notice I didn't use the term commissioner in my post in addressing Michael Powell's ethics (i.e. feeding at the trough). I am very aware that Clinton appoined Michael Powell and I don't for a minute believe Mr Powell was more ethical then than now. Personally I believe the FCC has been on the take for more than 10 years under both parties. The FCC seems to be a kingdom unto themselves and only in rare cases have to answer to the public. Donn _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed ‘net deals — comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jan 11 03:23:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70161 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 11:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 11:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 11:23:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:23:15 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:23:15 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:23:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2004 11:23:15.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E5B79F0:01C3D835] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.78 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: Mr Way vs Mr Powell X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Sorry, I confused the two; Mr Way is the wealthy gentleman in South Carolina; Mr Powell resides in the D.C. metro area. Donn St Petersburg calling Mr Way Mr Powell. mea culpa ~~~~~~~~~~~~ An exasperated Mr Powell(sic) wrote: "Gee Donnnnnnnnn....I didn't know Michael Powell was............. _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jan 11 03:44:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75343 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 11:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 11:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 11:44:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:44:38 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:44:38 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:44:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2004 11:44:38.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B411330:01C3D838] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.50 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: new digital radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 This article does mention mention IBOC toward the end and I like writers choice of the word "brag" in reference to Ibiquity's claim. ~~~~~~~~~ Ibiquity was chosen by the FCC to provide this new radio broadcast scheme, and the company says their system is the cure for nearly all of what's wrong with the analog radio we listen to now. They brag that their new "high definition" radio has enhanced sound fidelity, improved reception and upgraded audio quality. In addition to the audio signal,  Ibiquity's system can also transmit new wireless data services such as station, song and artist identification, stock and news information and local traffic and weather. ~~~~~~~~~~ RDS has been able to transmit song and artist data for years; I'm not sure why Ibuiqity wants the public to think that RDS is a new technology. I don't think Ibiquity would want to intentionally mislead consumers! :) ~~~~~~~~ Digital Radios to Drool Over: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3917395/ _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 03:50:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2923 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 11:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 11:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 11:50:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20040111115043.43763.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:50:43 PST Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:50:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Why can't HD-R be worth a ****? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Donn Tillman wrote: > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Why can't HD-R be worth a ****? > An exaperated Mr Powell wrote: > > "Gee Donnnnnnnnn....I didn't know Michael Powell was > FCC commissioner for over 10 years and under the > Clinton administration too..." > > An even more exasperated Donn responds: > > Gee Powellllll.... > > Notice I didn't use the term commissioner in my > post in addressing Michael > Powell's ethics (i.e. feeding at the trough). OINK ? > I am very aware that Clinton appoined Michael Powell > and I don't for a > minute believe Mr Powell was more ethical then than > now. Well.... > Personally I believe the FCC has been on the take > for more than 10 years > under both parties. Longer than that... see below.. > The FCC seems to be a kingdom unto themselves and > only in rare cases have to > answer to the public. It's been a lot longer than 10 years. When the FCC dumped all the engineers and added all the lawyers and thought smoke and mirrors would work. And the fact that they don't GET the money for the fees they collect, but a small pittance for enforcement. And the real truth is the small owners are the ones that cheat. The majors just don't. But I know of a lot of small operations that don't. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 03:52:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81874 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 11:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 11:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 11:52:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20040111115214.73658.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:52:14 PST Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:52:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mr Way vs Mr Powell X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Donn Tillman wrote: > Sorry, I confused the two; Mr Way is the wealthy > gentleman in South > Carolina; Mr Powell resides in the D.C. metro area. > Donn > St Petersburg > calling Mr Way Mr Powell. > mea culpa Be careful. You may be forced to wear FLANNEL in July! Me wealthy? LOL!! ROFTL! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 03:56:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31963 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 11:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 11:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 11:56:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20040111115616.52539.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:56:16 PST Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:56:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} new digital radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Donn Tillman wrote: > I don't think Ibiquity would want to intentionally > mislead consumers! :) Well I have yet to see an HONEST release by Ibiquity. I WON'T hold my breath. They haven't even been CLOSE to honest in representing the analog part when comparing to their dearly beloved HD. Powell ( arched eyebrows!) ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 04:11:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38314 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 12:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 12:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 12:11:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2004 12:11:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:11:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040111115043.43763.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 603 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.163 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why can't HD-R be worth a ****? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > It's been a lot longer than 10 years. Correct- At LEAST as far back as the Truman administration, when there was anger over the drastic shifts in station frequencies and broadcast bands, as well as the wrangling over color television, and no doubt the GE/Zenith FM stereo system was chosen based on not its merits, but how much money was poured in to the pockets of the FCC commissioners at that time, killing the FIRST attempt at AM stereo authorization in the late 1950s and early 1960s! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Jan 11 06:19:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8110 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 14:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 14:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 14:19:51 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 074ECBE90 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 06:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id GAA08853; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 06:19:50 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAqm/fvBPV4honJPMhpMP5qSVWW/wCFAa8y87tMEx4duZ4kCgNiYyOD526 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 08:19:50 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <3105-40015B86-496@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 11 Jan 2004 09:58:53 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: IBOC " interference " ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I thought the Ibiquity "samples" sounded pretty bad. Full of artifacts and "chirping noises" Maybe Web TV doesn't play them back properly. The FM Analog sounded "off frequency", the HD FM still had "chirping noises" The two AM samples sounded about the same, And I NEVER heard an AM Analog Mono or AM Stereo broadcast that sounded anything like their"sample". ( or "that bad" ) Recently, I and other listeners were hearing strange " egg frying" sounds on the signal of KMA radio 960 Khz over in Shenandoah, Iowa ( appox 60 miles southeast ) Persons on the local broadcasting BBS also noticed this, with the sounds being heard all over the Omaha metro area. Could someone be testing IBOC?? If anyone is using IBOC in our area, it's a new development. There were some different speculation(s) on the BBS of the possible cause. Maybe a spur off another station, some thought KFAB might be suspect, 2. bad , dirty insulators or other antenna problems. The KFAB thought came up as it appears that the weird noise would disappear at the time of pattern change when KFAB drops carrier for a couple of seconds. The noise varies from day to day. recently it has gone away. Any body have any ideas on this one?? I listen to KMA to get Paul Harvey News and Comment at 7:30 am. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From dougharding@mindspring.com Sun Jan 11 07:23:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88756 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 15:23:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 15:23:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 15:23:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2004 15:23:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:23:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 322 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.120.81 Subject: Chris Cuff's new Alfredo lite transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Just a report to the group. Chris's new transmitter sounds incredible!! I thought the old one was good but the new one sounds so clean! No distortion at all and best of all AC POWER!! There is NO HUM from the AC adapter in the audio. Audio was monitored on a Fanfare FTA-100, Carver TX11b, and a widebanded Marantz SR440. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 08:52:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25139 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 16:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 16:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 16:52:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2004 16:52:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:52:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3105-40015B86-496@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 577 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: IBOC " interference " ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > Recently, I and other listeners were hearing strange " egg > frying" > sounds on the signal of KMA The "egg frying" is typical of an IBOC station....Other day I was listening to the Hank Goldberg show on WQAM/560 here in Miami, a station that uses IBOC, and the usual "egg frying"/"cricket" noise was underneath...I tuned over to 570, and the usual IBOC "hash" was there as well...At exactly 5:45 (local sunset?!), the 'egg frying' stopped...I tuned over to 570, and whaddya know??!! The 'hash' was gone!!! Wonder what was causing the 'egg frying'??!!! --Tony From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 12:13:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90578 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 20:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 20:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 20:13:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20040111201356.67450.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:13:56 PST Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:13:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: Fanfare Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mario wondered: "I listened to those WJR and CFCO clips taken from the Fanfare tuner. Is it my imagination, or does it seem like the Fanfare tuner cuts off the high frequencies?" JP Replies: 1-It will not sound as "hot" as the old Sony SRF-A100 or Carver tuner as it doesn't go out way past the NRSC limit up to 15KHz like those did (and helps reduce any interference from adjacents). 2- The Fanfare used only a RS Loop Antenna (which would limit bandwidth) instead of a wider-bandwidth long-wire antenna. 3- The Fanfare had only 1 LED lit when receiving CFCO, so with that low of an RF signal, the tuner would have limited the bandwidth compared to being in the local area with 5 LEDs lit! I would bet having the tuner in SW Ontario would really rock! 4- The Fanfare samples are 'unadulterated'- nothing added, nothing subtracted. There has been NO equalization or any other audio processing added - they are raw recordings straight from the Fanfare audio output jacks directly to a home CD recorder input jacks, meaning you could only make it sound even better with your own home EQ ! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From rkhester@up-link.net Sun Jan 11 12:19:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84300 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 20:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 20:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 20:19:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2004 20:19:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:19:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 614 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 170.94.116.114 Subject: Kahn Powerside, good or bad? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 Hi, My name is Richard. I am new to this group. I am very interested in anything to do with AM STEREO. I am going to be working with a station that is using a Kahn Powerside. I know very little about these units other than some people hate them and others love them, and they are supposed to be a pain to keep going. Is there a benefit to using one on an ommni-direction station? We would like to upgrade to c-quam stereo in the future, so I will be open to any advice or help we can get in getting the proper equipment. We want to sound "GOOD!". Thanks for any information and hello to all. Richard From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sun Jan 11 14:10:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2702 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 22:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 22:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO twix.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 22:10:04 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E0C24BCA343 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9E91800B7 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040111133154.031648a8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:34:22 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <3105-40015B86-496@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.71 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC " interference " ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why the stove of corse! What did you think they were going to do, give you free breakfast along with frying up the equipment, too? *Grin* At 04:52 PM 01/11/2004 +0000, Tony wrote: > Wonder what was causing the 'egg frying'??!!! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sun Jan 11 14:10:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83902 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 22:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 22:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO twix.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 22:10:10 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3CD2ABCAA04 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:04:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1266B1800B7 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040111153115.031a3d60@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:34:45 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040111201356.67450.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.71 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fanfare Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So the fan fair tuner isn't as good as the Carver TX-11B? Could one do mod to this tuner for a bandwidth mode that is for A AMax, and another setting for higher bandwidth (up to 15 or 20 KHZ and not variable? How do the two compare on FM? I know the fan fair like the carver, has noise blanking and other things if you will to reduce noise on both the AM and FM bands. However, wouldn't that also reduce the bandwidth? I" rather have noisy stereo on AM or FM then mono. At 12:13 PM 01/11/2004 -0800, you wrote: >1-It will not sound as "hot" as the old Sony SRF-A100 or Carver tuner as it >doesn't go out way past the NRSC limit up to 15KHz like those did (and helps >reduce any interference from adjacents). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Jan 11 14:41:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93926 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 22:41:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 22:41:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 22:41:40 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.cf.2e03abc (25305) for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:41:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:41:34 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.100 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn Powerside, good or bad? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Richard! =20 Welcome to the group!Kahn PowerSide has its good points and bad points.I= ts=20 good when your trying to combat adjacent channel interference.Kahn on the=20 other hand isnt so good when your trying to acheive a full wide band sound. How Kahn works,the system concentrates more "energy" on one sideband.A norm= al=20 AM signal consist of a carrier and two sidebands,and in a normal transmissi= on=20 system energy,meaning the modulation is for the most part equal on both the= =20 upper and lower sidebands.The carrier is really for all purposes wasted ene= rgy=20 on AM...the energy that us useful and is recovered by the receiver is from = the=20 sideband energy. If you have a station that is say 10 or 20khz from your frequency,with=20 Kahn,you can shift all or most of the energy to a sideband that is farthere= st away=20 from the adjacent interfering station...allowing your station to "recover" = a=20 few extra miles of coverage. The advertised "fact" of allowing your signal to be heard under underpasses= =20 and metal tall buildings is a bit far fetched....so if your station dropped= =20 PowerSide and went basic AM mono or C-Quam...about the only real difference= =20 you'll hear is a more full sound to the station.You shouldnt notice -much-= =20 difference in coverage. If your station is looking for a C-Quam exciter,write to burley@thewavz.com= =20=20 . The station that Burley is with just recently for unexplained reasons turne= d=20 off the pilot on his BE AM1. The older Motorola exciter that they used with= =20 another older transmitter,supposely works according to a few exchanged emai= ls=20 that I've had with him ....make him and offer on the equipment,otherwise it= will=20 just sit in storeage. If your station needs help with the conversion or trouble with the=20 equipment,ther are several other engineers other than myself here that can = help .....you=20 can drop me a line off of the list anytime. =20=20=20=20 Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Jan 11 14:48:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3270 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 22:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 22:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 22:48:23 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.16.3a224648 (25305) for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:48:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <16.3a224648.2d332cb0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:48:16 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.103 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn Powerside, good or bad? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BTW Richard,what station in central Ark. is considering C-Quam after the=20 PowerSide is kicked to the side? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 15:34:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32248 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 23:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 23:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 23:34:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20040111233427.68962.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.120] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:34:27 PST Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:34:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040111133154.031648a8@pop.GameBox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC " interference " ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- John Holcomb II wrote: > Why the stove of corse! What did you think they > were going to do, give you free breakfast along > with frying up the equipment, too? *Grin* At least BACON and eggs, and in the south we toss in grits.... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 17:09:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96156 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 01:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 01:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 01:09:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2004 01:09:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:08:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1020 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.7 Subject: Digital FM... d'uh? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Can this press release/article from the Chicago Tribune possibly be any more vague and poorly worded? And can anybody explain to me what the difference is between "digital speakers" and "regular analog speakers"!? COLLEGE OF DUPAGE -- Stay tuned, west suburban music fans, because radio station WDCB at College of DuPage is planning to upgrade its sound to the tune of $133,000. The non-commercial public radio outlet, which broadcasts jazz, folk and classical fare along with news at 90.9 FM, is scheduled to convert to digital sound by spring. The conversion will be paid for in part by a $75,000 grant from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. WDCB is seeking donations for the balance, with fundraising campaigns scheduled this month and next. For more information call 630-942-4200. Station manager Scott Wager said the new technology will provide a "purer and cleaner" sound for listeners with digital speakers but will not interrupt service for listeners with regular analog speakers. From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sun Jan 11 17:25:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64774 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 01:25:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 01:25:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 01:25:15 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 14DCB705D4 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67AC51A0153 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040111185152.0334f3c0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:52:46 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040111233427.68962.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040111133154.031648a8@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC " interference " ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah plenty of Sault with those here grits... John At 03:34 PM 01/11/2004 -0800, you wrote: >and in the south we toss in >grits.... > > >Powell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sun Jan 11 17:26:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61178 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 01:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 01:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 01:26:01 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 21886705E2 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758611A0133 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040111201905.02cde7c8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:19:34 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another Revision to Receiver Standards...and an IBOC Elimination petition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Um, where can I see this petition at? At 09:33 PM 01/10/2004 +0000, you wrote: >I have made a further revision to the Revised Receiver Standards >petition, and added a petition to eliminate all digital radio >operations below 1 GHz (1000 MHz) in the United States. As always, >input is welcome. > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sun Jan 11 17:27:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62686 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 01:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 01:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 01:27:44 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DCB7705E5 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5B91A0153 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:09:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040111202039.02ce2940@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:21:58 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital FM... d'uh? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Hmm. Try this: Station manager Scott Wager said the new technology will provide a "purer and cleaner" sound for listeners with digital radios (Of which aren't cheap to buy), but will not interrupt service for listeners with regular analog radios (Unless lower audio/lower freq response is what you like). From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Jan 11 17:27:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19500 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 01:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 01:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 01:27:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2004 01:27:47 -0000 Date: 12 Jan 2004 01:27:45 -0000 Message-ID: <1073870865.7420.82747.w81@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /RW-CAD-IBOC-7_03.pdf Uploaded by : amfmguy Description : An article that appeared in the International edition of RW but was not picked up in the National version. It expresses Canada's concern over the use of IBOC AM as it presently exists in the U.S. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/RW-CAD-IBOC-7_03.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, amfmguy From miketx@swbell.net Sun Jan 11 17:46:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: miketx@swbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48434 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 01:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 01:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 01:46:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20040112014639.72757.qmail@web80212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.67.89.34] by web80212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:46:39 PST Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:46:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.79.47 From: Mike Oswald Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital FM... d'uh? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=378632 X-Yahoo-Profile: ozzieintexas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Kevin T." wrote: Can this press release/article from the Chicago Tribune possibly be any more vague and poorly worded? And can anybody explain to me what the difference is between "digital speakers" and "regular analog speakers"!? COLLEGE OF DUPAGE -- Stay tuned, west suburban music fans, because radio station WDCB at College of DuPage is planning to upgrade its sound to the tune of $133,000. The non-commercial public radio outlet, which broadcasts jazz, folk and classical fare along with news at 90.9 FM, is scheduled to convert to digital sound by spring. The conversion will be paid for in part by a $75,000 grant from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. WDCB is seeking donations for the balance, with fundraising campaigns scheduled this month and next. For more information call 630-942-4200. Station manager Scott Wager said the new technology will provide a "purer and cleaner" sound for listeners with digital speakers but will not interrupt service for listeners with regular analog speakers. All I can really add to this stupid statement is WTF. Mike O Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jan 11 19:01:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73197 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 03:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 03:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 03:01:46 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.181] (d149-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.181]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id i0C31jw77436 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:01:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:01:39 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1073870870.1643.19523.m8@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: FCC Commissioners and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Gee Donnnnnnnnn....I didn't know Michael Powell was > FCC commissioner for over 10 years and under the > Clinton administration too... > This was started by Chairman Kennard under Clinton and Powell hasn't done anything to stop it. It tells me that There is a part of the government called Congress that really wants this to happen. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 19:10:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47126 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 03:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 03:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 03:10:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2004 03:10:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 03:10:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 604 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.3 Subject: Re: FCC Commissioners and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kevin, Mesa, AZ" wrote: > > Gee Donnnnnnnnn....I didn't know Michael Powell was > > FCC commissioner for over 10 years and under the > > Clinton administration too... > > > > This was started by Chairman Kennard under Clinton and Powell hasn't done > anything to stop it. It tells me that There is a part of the government > called Congress that really wants this to happen. I don't think they really give a damn what it is, as long as it means lots of greenbacks. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Jan 11 19:13:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70829 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 03:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 03:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 03:13:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:13:01 -0800 Received: from 172.135.42.251 by bay7-dav25.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 03:13:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040111153115.031a3d60@pop.GameBox.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:44:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2004 03:13:01.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC86FC00:01C3D8B9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.82 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.42.251] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fanfare Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John Holcomb II wrote: > I" rather have noisy stereo on AM or FM then mono. Me too! And I would rather have noisey High Fidelity than muffled audio. Marv, Is there a way to go in and defeat the variable bandwidth to lock the radio into Hi-Fi Stereo? ...Or better yet, Put a "High Fidelity / High Selectivity" toggle switch on the front panel like my old RCA "Super Brain" console. It was quick work with a "Twiddle stick" to kill the blend in my factory Toyota radio. BTW, I am relocating to a MUCH better paying job in the Tampa / St. Pete Florida metro this month, so I think I see a Fanfare tuner in my very near future :-) Before anybody asks, the answer is NO! My RCA BTA1R1 is NOT for sale! Kevin From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Jan 12 03:01:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50218 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 11:01:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 11:01:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 11:01:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 03:01:52 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:01:52 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:01:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2004 11:01:52.0735 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C1FB6F0:01C3D8FB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.84 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: Relocating to Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Kevin of South Carolina wrote: BTW, I am relocating to a MUCH better paying job in the Tampa / St. Pete Florida metro this month, so I think I see a Fanfare tuner in my very near future :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kevin, even though this market is in the top 20 nationwide, it is really horrible (as most markets are anymore); hope you are in a position to help. ClearChannel, of course dominates the market in both ratings and number of stations; next is Infinity and after that Cox, Salem and Genesis. ClearChannel's WFLA has about 7 hours of live, local programming on the weekends, the rest is devoted to taped programs and 1250 WTKN, another ClearChannel station has at least half of their weekend programming as informercials. A waste of a 25,000 watt daytime signal. (lower power at night). Good luck in relocating. Donn St Petersburg _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 07:48:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77510 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 15:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 15:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 15:48:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20040112154844.97596.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:48:44 PST Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:48:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.143 From: "John P." Subject: Another Reason They're Pushing HD-R/IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Here's another reason why they're pushing HD-R/IBOC - it may not be better, but will serve only only one purpose: to confuse potential satellite radio buyers; see the following from Barrons: "But demand for satellite radio could be hurt by the recent launch of a new technology called high-definition radio. Though digital and satellite radio may not compete directly, the new services have the potential to sow confusion among consumers, Barron's said." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From stodd@vippn.com Mon Jan 12 08:57:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29597 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 16:57:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 16:57:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 16:57:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2004 16:57:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:57:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 648 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: missing pages X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've got a manual for my Motorola 1300/1310 exciter and monitor pair, but I'm sure some of the pages are missing. Anyone who has one of these, would you please get a hold of me off list so we can compare notes? Especially if you'd be willing to copy the pages I need. I'm also trying to ID the small board between the power transformer and the front panel on the very right-hand side of the unit. MJR was kind enough to fax me the dipswitch settings for the monitor some time ago, though it would be great to get an actual photocopy for placing into the manual. Scott Todd use --stodd@kkms.com-- (sans the dashes) to get a hold of me. From oscar@globility.com Mon Jan 12 11:59:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36120 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 19:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 19:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 19:59:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2004 19:59:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:59:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 441 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.222 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fanfare Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > John Holcomb II wrote: > Marv, Is there a way to go in and defeat the variable bandwidth to lock the > radio into Hi-Fi Stereo? ...Or better yet, Put a "High Fidelity / High > > Before anybody asks, the answer is NO! My RCA BTA1R1 is NOT for sale! > > Kevin It's possible Kevin, but not as a factory option in this incarnation. MS From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jan 12 13:07:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70811 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 21:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 21:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 21:07:08 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.162]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:07:08 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:06:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: MCS 3050 air check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello there I have the MCS3050 tuner that I purchased from a pawn shop in Salt Lake City and I decided I'd grab a quick air check off of it before I put it in its box on the way to Jim Smith in California. So on the ftp site ( ftp.amstereoradio.com ) in the "demos" folder you'll find one labeled "mcs3050.mp3" . Just recorded and uploaded this afternoon. It's about 2 1/2 minutes long....112kbps, 22khz mp3. "scoped" for your listening pleasure with 3 songs and jingles in between. This is as received from my Alfredo Lite transmitter that I have running here at my shop. You may notice a high-pitch whistle in the background. This is NOT from the tuner. I have all kinds of interference here in my shop. 2 computers and 2 monitors about 3 feet away from each side of my workbench, so that is probably where it is coming from. All things considered, it's pretty clean. I know we have had plenty of airchecks uploaded made with the MCS3050 tuner, but this is just another one that will show how much bandwidth the tuner actually has and what it sounds like. Thanks Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rkhester@up-link.net Mon Jan 12 13:40:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41824 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 21:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 21:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 21:40:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2004 21:40:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:40:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16.3a224648.2d332cb0@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 510 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 170.94.116.114 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn Powerside, good or bad? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 My Brother-in Law and one of his friends are in the process of buying AM 690 KEWI here in Benton. They want me to learn everything there is to know so to speak about broadcasting and am stereo. I am a ham and I have a real good background on radio as I have a rather wide area coverage ham repeater, but I have a lot to learn as I need "hands on" experience. Any help or advice will be GREATLY appreciated! We want to sound as good as we can! You are welcome to e-mail me anytime if you want. Richard From rkhester@up-link.net Mon Jan 12 13:40:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64725 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 21:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 21:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 21:40:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2004 21:40:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:40:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16.3a224648.2d332cb0@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 510 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 170.94.116.114 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn Powerside, good or bad? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 My Brother-in Law and one of his friends are in the process of buying AM 690 KEWI here in Benton. They want me to learn everything there is to know so to speak about broadcasting and am stereo. I am a ham and I have a real good background on radio as I have a rather wide area coverage ham repeater, but I have a lot to learn as I need "hands on" experience. Any help or advice will be GREATLY appreciated! We want to sound as good as we can! You are welcome to e-mail me anytime if you want. Richard From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Jan 12 16:19:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69014 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 00:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 00:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.108) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 00:19:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:19:26 -0800 Received: from 172.154.38.196 by bay7-dav4.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:19:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:19:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2004 00:19:26.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[E73707D0:01C3D96A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.108 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.154.38.196] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Relocating to Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Donn Tillman wrote: > Kevin, even though this market is in the top 20 nationwide, it is really horrible (as most markets are anymore); hope you are in a position to help. The job I am taking in Tampa is not radio related, so the only contribution I will be making to the airwaves will be with 100 mw on AM 1620. You are right Donn, From what I have heard so far, Tampa radio sucks! Now wonder there are so many Pirate stations in Tampa! Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Jan 12 16:31:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78200 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 00:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 00:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.120) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 00:31:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:31:08 -0800 Received: from 172.154.38.196 by bay7-dav16.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:31:08 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:31:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2004 00:31:08.0314 (UTC) FILETIME=[898117A0:01C3D96C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.120 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.154.38.196] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fanfare Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 M S wrote: > It's possible Kevin, but not as a factory option in this incarnation. Is it a matter of turning a pot, or is it a circuit mod? I will definitely want both AM and FM "Stereo blend" and AM "Variable bandwidth" locked out on the unit I get. I cannot think of anything that would be more annoying than listening to a Skywave signal that was constantly going from Wide to Narrow and blending as the signal fades. Kevin From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Jan 12 17:02:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73142 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 01:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 01:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 01:02:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:02:29 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:02:29 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:02:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2004 01:02:29.0780 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAF20540:01C3D970] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.54 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Relocating to Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Hi Kevin, Depending on where in the Tampa/Hillsborough county you will be, there might be some interference on 1620; if your in the WestShore, Baycrest or Beach Park area, the 1610 info radio out of TIA (tampa international airport) might cause some interference; they're at 1610 and if you're in Palma Cia, Hyde Park or the Interbay area you may get some spill over from WRXB 1590 am, their tower is in St Petersburg, but they are licensed to St Pete Beach.(and have been since they signed on; their towers are about 4 miles from St Pete Beach. I drive through Tampa about twice a month and there are pirate stations, at least on the weekends on 99.1 and another lower frequency, I believe it was (haven't heard it for a few months) at 90.1, Up til about a year ago there was a pirate am station at 1640 and as best I could track it down was near all the Cuban restaurants, near Columbus Dr and Dale Mabry. It was a Spanish format. Dick Wheeler, who actually lives in Tampa may know of a few others. The station that really amazes me is 970- WFLA, even though they usually show up in the top 10; usually the only am station that does, they are only a shell of what they used to be, up til about 1987 or 1988, they were live and local except overnight. When ClearChannel and Jacor merged their stations here in late 1999 or January 2000, that was the nail in the coffin for the am band here. The fm band is so generic, all the stations sound pretty much alike, no local artists are ever promoted to my knowledge and raunchy talk seems to be the key to good ratings. Remember this market has "Bubba the Love Sponge", who btw, also has some nightclubs in the area and seems to be in trouble constantly with the law, but his ratings (and rantings) are fantastic and bring ClearChannel much revenue. You will also discover dxing here is more difficult thanks to the high power Cuban radio stations; one of the at 640am, I get like a local day and night. 880 out of Havana has recently changed their format and is now Radio Progresso and play more music than before and also completely overpower WCBS most of the time, most of the year. The only real good dxing here seems to be from November through early February. The last am stereo station here was WGUL and I believe they turned off the stereo around May of 2000; they are the only English am station, not owned by an out of state corporation and play a hodge podge of music from the 1940's through the 1970's; they may play the Andrew Sisters and Perry Como, then a few minutes later, it will be the Supremes, Beatles and Carpenters. WGUL is at 860 am or if you're in the north end of Tampa you can pick them up at 106.3 fm. Infinity owns the two fm country stations here and their dial locations are 92.5 and 99.5. In east Tampa and points east WPCV out of Lakeland/Winter Haven is locally owned. They are also country, as is WCTQ - 106.5, if you're in extreme south Tampa or the Apollo Beach or Ruskin area. They are owned by Clearchannel, but have good country programming and are live and local during the day; they are licensed to Sarasota and their tower is in Palmetto.(16 air-miles south of St Petersburg.) On the tv side, FOX 13 - WTVT is not just a FOX affiliate, but they are FOX owned and operated and it shows in their local news, which seems to devote a lot of time having "news" stories about FOX programs; they used to be a serious news station and the best in the area; now I don't even bother with their news or even their weather, which used to be one of the best weather departments in the country. Hope you like Brighthouse cable (Time Warner); they are the only cable company in Hillsborough County. Donn, St Petersburg,Fl _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed ‘net deals — comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Jan 12 18:40:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27087 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 02:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 02:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 02:40:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:40:10 -0800 Received: from 172.154.38.196 by bay7-dav25.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:40:10 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:40:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2004 02:40:10.0574 (UTC) FILETIME=[904036E0:01C3D97E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.82 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.154.38.196] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Relocating to Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Donn Tillman wrote: > Depending on where in the Tampa/Hillsborough county you will be, there might be some interference on 1620; I will be closer to Seffner.... If there is a problem, I can go to 1700 or 1710. I wonder if the "PARTY PIRATE" 102.1FM will be back on the air. It was a HOOT to listen to! > > The fm band is so generic, all the stations sound pretty much alike, no local artists are ever promoted to my knowledge and raunchy talk seems to be the key to good ratings. That sounds much like the rest of the US...What a shame. > > Remember this market has "Bubba the Love Sponge", OK, Who or what is Bubba the Love Sponge? > > The last am stereo station here was WGUL and I believe they turned off the stereo around May of 2000; Hmmm, that means the area NEEDS a part 15 Stereo station! > > On the tv side, FOX 13 - WTVT is not just a FOX affiliate, but they are FOX owned and operated I have no interest in local TV....never watched it in SC. > > Hope you like Brighthouse cable (Time Warner); they are the only cable company in Hillsborough County. Have Dish, will travel :-D Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 19:42:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9775 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 03:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 03:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 03:42:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2004 03:42:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 03:42:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1391 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.7 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fanfare Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is it a matter of turning a pot, or is it a circuit mod? I will > definitely want both AM and FM "Stereo blend" and AM "Variable > bandwidth" locked out on the unit I get. The MC13122 decoder chip has unfiltered audio outputs that you can use if you don't want the variable bandwidth feature. Also, there is a mod to disable the stereo blend. These are both explained in Motorola's data sheet for the MC13122 (and its matching tuner chip, the MC13027). > I cannot think of anything that would be more annoying than > listening to a Skywave signal that was constantly going from Wide > to Narrow and blending as the signal fades. Well, having used Chrysler and Delco car radios that have the AMAX variable bandwidth and stereo-blend features, it is actually quite nice. Especially while driving, sometimes a signal gets too weak or noisy for wideband stereo reception, and it becomes tedious to keep switching the bandwidth and stereo mode. Automatic bandwidth and stereo control gives you the best results for all reception conditions. And it doesn't necessarily mean that weak and/or skywave signals will be limited to narrow-bandwidth mono mode. Here is an audio clip of Detroit's 760 WJR, as received by skywave DX on a Delco AMAX radio here in New Jersey (and keep in mind I have local 770 WABC right next door): ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wjrflash.mp3 From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Jan 12 20:00:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12384 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 04:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 04:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 04:00:15 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A710C704CC for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 03:43:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDAACBDA643 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 03:53:43 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040112194427.03387e90@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:45:43 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fanfare Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes I agree. Especially for a tuner of that money, I would want what Kevin said below. At 07:31 PM 01/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I will definitely >want both AM and FM "Stereo blend" and AM "Variable bandwidth" locked out on >the unit I get. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Jan 12 20:33:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66108 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 04:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 04:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 04:33:45 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.87.2fff1f8 (30960) for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:33:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <87.2fff1f8.2d34cf10@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:33:20 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.97 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} missing pages X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/12/04 12:07:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, stodd@vippn.c= om=20 writes: > I've got a manual for my Motorola 1300/1310 exciter and monitor pair,=20 > but I'm sure some of the pages are missing.=20=20 Are there any differences that you can see between the big M 1300/1310 and= =20 the ones put out by Delta? Have manuals for the Delta exciter and air monitor Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 20:40:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37466 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 04:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 04:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 04:40:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20040113044042.65019.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:40:42 PST Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:40:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.72 From: "John P." Subject: MIch Engineer Talks about Leonard Kahn X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From a broadcast engineer in Michigan: "if you saw the letter that leonard sent me 2 months ago i think you'd agree, he is kind of greedy. i have 2 "powerside and clear" stations and he was trying to extract about $50K from me to purchase his new Cam-D system, before it was totally tested and submitted to the commission for approval. i was one of the first group owners to jump in, enlist my attorney (on my dime), and go to other groups to get them to join in with leonard on the IBOC fight. then he tries to pull financial shakedown on me. thing is, i believe it will work but kahn has a ton of hoops to jump through before he should even think of charging us big bucks for something that may never get to market. I went to one of the first IBOC demo's, years ago. we were shammed. the am audio they played for us was a total simulation. 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Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Jan 12 21:17:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50939 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 05:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 05:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 05:17:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:17:37 -0800 Received: from 172.154.38.196 by bay7-dav48.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 05:17:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:17:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2004 05:17:37.0168 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EDC1100:01C3D994] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.20 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.154.38.196] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fanfare Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: > The MC13122 decoder chip has unfiltered audio outputs that you can use if you don't want the variable bandwidth feature. Also, there is a mod to disable the stereo blend. So how hard is it to do this mod on the Fanfare? Is this mod available from the factory so I won't void the warranty doing it myself. Is there a mod for the FM to lock it into full Stereo? > > Automatic bandwidth and stereo control gives you the best results for all reception conditions. While I do agree with most points you make on this board, I do disagree with that one. While I don't think multipath and fading on FM will be much of a factor in Florida, in the hills of South Carolina, the constant blending and high filtering on fades was most annoying on my factory Toyota radio. That is why I killed the blend and high filter. A little hiss is MUCH better than the effect of floating between Stereo and Mono and the highs dropping out. It was like listening to an old tape that was wrinkled! > > Here is an audio clip of Detroit's 760 WJR, as received by Skywave DX on a Delco AMAX radio here in New Jersey And it proves my point...Listen to the clip. at first it sounds bright and has that "Jumps out at you" Stereo sound then as the song "Lola" plays on, it blends down on a fade. It is also noticeable on the second song "Da Do Da Da" by The Police. Even with the "monkey chatter" from WABC, this clip would sound MUCH better if it didn't blend down on the fades, even if it added some platform motion. Kevin From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Jan 12 21:20:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41160 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 05:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 05:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 05:20:02 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id 6.112.2d7a208f (16781); Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:19:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <112.2d7a208f.2d34d9f8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:19:52 EST To: am@nrcdxas.org, amfmtvdx@mailman.qth.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.102 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: DX opportunity......limited time offer,grab it while it last X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DX opportunity......running music from the 90's,80's right now..at 1KW=20 nondirectional until 1AM on 560 AM Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Jan 12 21:21:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99374 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 05:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 05:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 05:21:40 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040113052140.JJYJ3322.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:21:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:21:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040112194427.03387e90@pop.GameBox.net> Message-Id: <5D276584-4588-11D8-BC34-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.244 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fanfare Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On a home tuner, you really don't have to worry about changes due to stereo blend and variable bandwidth as you would in a car, and a well-designed tuner will get out as mush of the signal as possible. I personally think the Fanfare samples speak for themselves, and everyone is making much ado about nothing. On Monday, January 12, 2004, at 04:45 PM, John Holcomb II wrote: > Yes I agree. Especially for a tuner of that money, I would want what > Kevin said below. > At 07:31 PM 01/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > >I will definitely > >want both AM and FM "Stereo blend" and AM "Variable bandwidth" locked > out on > >the unit I get. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 23:12:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36706 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 07:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 07:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 07:12:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2004 07:12:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:12:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5D276584-4588-11D8-BC34-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 697 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.159 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fanfare Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > On a home tuner, you really don't have to worry about changes due to > stereo blend and variable bandwidth as you would in a car, and a > well-designed tuner will get out as mush of the signal as possible. I > personally think the Fanfare samples speak for themselves, and everyone > is making much ado about nothing. Richard, you ever DX? with nighttime AM DX, it would cause that blending to just go nuts, even on a home tuner. And the blend feature can be hell if you're trying to grab a weak DX station. :( Some of us like to DX in full stereo, even if it means loud, honkin' noise. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Jan 12 23:43:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88807 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 07:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 07:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 07:43:38 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040113074338.KUTS3322.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:43:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:43:36 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <320509BB-459C-11D8-BC34-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.244 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fanfare Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, I've never had a home tuner that blends. But I do like the=20 Fanfare samples. I think I could tolerate its circuits very well. If=20 anyone ever gives one away ... On Monday, January 12, 2004, at 11:12 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > On a home tuner, you really don't have to worry about changes due > to > > stereo blend and variable bandwidth as you would in a car, and a > > well-designed tuner will get out as mush of the signal as possible. > I > > personally think the Fanfare samples speak for themselves, and > everyone > > is making much ado about nothing. > > Richard, you ever DX? with nighttime AM DX, it would cause that > blending to just go nuts, even on a home tuner. And the blend feature > can be hell if you're trying to grab a weak DX station. :( > > Some of us like to DX in full stereo, even if it means loud, honkin' > noise. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 01:26:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91675 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 09:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 09:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 09:26:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2004 09:26:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:26:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3168 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.7 Subject: Re: Fanfare Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Listen to the clip. at first it sounds bright and has that "Jumps > out at you" Stereo sound then as the song "Lola" plays on, it > blends down on a fade. It is also noticeable on the second song > "Da Do Da Da" by The Police. Even with the "monkey chatter" from > WABC, this clip would sound MUCH better if it didn't blend down on > the fades, even if it added some platform motion. Perhaps that clip doesn't provide enough of a proper perspective, but you have to remember that a conventional wideband AM Stereo tuner likely wouldn't have been able to receive WJR _at all_ in those same conditions. 770 WABC's groundwave signal is at least 10 mV/m at my location, while 760 WJR's predicted 50% skywave signal is just over 0.5 mV/m at this spot. That's a first-adjacent signal _20 times_ stronger than the intended signal -- a factor which would simply swamp out the selectivity of a receiver that's locked into wideband mode, in which case all I'd hear on 760 kHz is a distorted version of WABC's audio. Even my MCS-3050 tuner -- whose 5 kHz filter does not make it a wide- bandwidth tuner by any means -- can never receive WJR as clearly and with as little of impact from WABC as the AMAX-equipped Delco does. And even when fully blended to mono with its narrowest bandwidth, the Delco's audio is flat to at least 6 kHz and still retains some amount of audio response all the way up to 10 kHz, as long as I keep the "AM ST" mode engaged (in mono mode, it drops down to a fixed 3 kHz or so, which further increases selectivity, but sounds very poor). The variable bandwidth simply controls how _flat_ the audio response is, up to a maximum of about 9 kHz for the strongest signals (it drops off sharply right at 10 kHz to cut out any annoying adjacent-carrier whistles). I'm not saying that manual control over bandwidth and stereo mode should NOT be provided... but on the same token, it's not fair to criticize a receiver's characteristics without experiencing them "in action" with a wide variety of signal conditions. And remember, the Delco is an _automotive_ receiver. It is designed to deal with extreme variation in signal conditions -- everything from driving right past the towers of a 50,000-watt AM station, to trying to receive a very weak, distant signal while having to deal with fade- outs and various sources of static and interference. Perhaps the priorities for a _home_ receiver should be slightly different, as the reception conditions are more user-controllable and better antennas will be used. And what hasn't been mentioned is the Delco's (and Fanfare's) effective _impulse noise blanking_. It can't eliminate electrical interference entirely, but it does help to reduce its intensity a great deal, as well as to reduce the annoyance of pops, clicks, and lightning crashes. A severe AC buzz, like that caused by a nearby dimmer switch, is "softened" from a harsh buzz into more of a humming or rasping noise, which allows listenable reception even in conditions where a receiver without noise-blanking would be objectionably noisy -- another large benefit over conventional AM receivers. From softgin2003@yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 03:30:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: softgin2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74148 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 11:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 11:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 11:30:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2004 11:30:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:30:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 153 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Jose" X-Originating-IP: 213.3.2.137 Subject: heathkit PT-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=155119050 X-Yahoo-Profile: softgin2003 Anyone knows how many turns the ferrite antenna has??. I need to wind a new one. In the service manual there is no info about the antenna. Thanks Jose From castellano105@yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 08:49:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89486 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 16:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 16:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 16:49:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20040113164916.66824.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.165.18.176] by web60208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:49:16 PST Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:49:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.103 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: New afordable AM Stereos. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 ALL MY AM Stereos are form the 80 and getting worn,are their any afordable ones in the2004? ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From mauricio_molano@latinmail.com Tue Jan 13 10:16:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mauricio_molano@latinmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93927 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 18:16:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 18:16:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 18:16:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2004 18:16:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:16:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040113164916.66824.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 362 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "mmolano2000" X-Originating-IP: 80.58.16.170 Subject: Re: New afordable AM Stereos. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113072962 X-Yahoo-Profile: mmolano2000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Francisco Guzman=20 wrote: > ALL MY AM Stereos are form the 80 and getting worn,are > their any afordable ones in the2004? >=20 Hola Francisco, mira por aqu=ED: www.audiocubes.com -->portable audio -->Portable Radios/Cassette Player Hay varios modelos de SONY. Saludos. M. Molano Salamanca Spain.=20 =20 From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 10:19:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88382 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 18:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 18:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 18:19:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20040113181933.24158.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.226] by web41203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:19:33 PST Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:19:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040113164916.66824.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.36 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} New afordable AM Stereos. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus www.audiocubes.com they have affordable new AM Stereo radios (2 walkmans and a good portable(SRF A300) a tidge bigger than a SRF A100 or theres the "unaffordable" fanfare tuner which are new other than that its ebay. Michael --- Francisco Guzman wrote: > ALL MY AM Stereos are form the 80 and getting > worn,are > their any afordable ones in the2004? > > ===== > Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 10:53:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2005 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 18:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 18:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 18:53:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20040113185339.85164.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:53:39 PST Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:53:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.146 From: "John P." Subject: We welcome KEWI ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Richard_K_Hester" wrote: "Subject: Re: Kahn Powerside, good or bad? ...in the process of buying AM 690 KEWI here in Benton. They want me to learn everything there is to know so to speak about broadcasting and am stereo..." Welcome to our group Richard! We have at least 3 AM broadcast engineers on this list that are willing and capable of answering some of your questions, along with the other 100 of us that appreciate the high-quality sound of AM radio done correctly. Technically, you cannot use the Kahn in full stereo mode (what about with the pilot switched-off?), and PowerSide is of limited use on digital radios, but works okay with analog-tuned units if you have a close adjacent station. Do you still have a stereo studio, stereo board, and stereo studio-transmitter-link? If so, it wouldn't take much to replace the Kahn unit with a Motorola, modified Harris or a B.E. C-Quam AM Stereo exciter and modulation monitor. Please post photos of the equipment on the Yahoo Files section for us to review. We hope that you'll have stereo AM on the air in no-time flat. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 11:15:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74501 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 19:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 19:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 19:15:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2004 19:14:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:14:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040113181933.24158.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 293 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: {AMSF} New afordable AM Stereos. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > www.audiocubes.com they have affordable new AM Stereo > radios (2 walkmans and a good portable(SRF A300) Even easier... go to http://www.AMStereoRadio.com and click on "Radios". I updated it to include info about and direct links to the three Sony radios that AudioCubes has available. From stodd@vippn.com Tue Jan 13 11:16:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95336 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 19:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 19:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 19:16:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2004 19:16:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:16:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87.2fff1f8.2d34cf10@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 416 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: {AMSF} missing pages X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > Are there any differences that you can see between the big M 1300/1310 and > the ones put out by Delta? Never seen a Delta manual so I couldn't say. Are you suggesting that Motorola didn't make their own equipment at that time? One other request- I have recently acquired a BE AS-10 AMS monitor. I could use a manual for that too. Scott Todd From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 11:34:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9994 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 19:34:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 19:34:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 19:34:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2004 19:34:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:34:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 434 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: New IBOC audio samples (again) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics They just switched the AM samples to "Jazz Music" and the FM samples to "NPR News". I haven't listened to these yet, but FYI: http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/hdradio_experience.htm For those who didn't hear the previous samples (Classical Music for AM and Country for FM), I have them saved and will upload them soon. I even have the original audio samples using the old PAC codec that iBiquity took off their site last year! From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jan 13 12:02:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89634 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 20:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 20:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 20:02:14 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.162]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:02:13 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:01:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: FTP site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if it is a ploy to try to get me to allow more and/or less-restrictive access to the site but I really need some help with it. Plese, folks...when you upload something, please let me know what it is and where it needs to go. I know I've had plenty of complaining "well you put that in the IBOC folder and it's not IBOC"......well if you would have told me in the first place what it is, then I could put it in the right place. We've got diagrams and schematics and all kinds of fun stuff in the 'uploads' folder. There's airchecks there that I actually downloaded and listened to that are mono. There's additional folders....36k, 48k, 56k, and DAB. I am assuming these are folders for DAB stuff from Europe or wherever. And that's cool. But we'll be moving these to a DAB folder or something like that. This is the uploads folder and it's only temporary ...always. The files put in there are always meant to end up somewhere else. In any case....I've mentioned it a few times already PLEASE let me know if something is in the wrong place so I can fix it. PLEASE let me know when you upload something so that at least I know what it is and what to do with it. I have been trying to figure out some sort of way to identify things. I thought about a text file that would serve as an "index" file. Maybe one in each state's folder. Then again that would be a lot of trouble. I don't know if there is a difference in IDv2 and IDv3 on MP3's....since most airchecks here are MP3's it would be nice to have a comment area in the IDv2 tag that said something like "KBOI-AM Stereo 670 - Boise, Idaho recorded with a Sony SRF-42 on October 8th, 1994" in there so we know what it is and where it came from. Something with a name like (NO OFFENSE, KT) amstereo.mp3 does not help much. It could be ANYTHING! That brings up another important factor. Yes, I know PART15 stations are real stations but I'd still consider if you have an aircheck made with your part 15 alfredo lite or other transmitter, it should go in the "DEMOS" folder, and not in the state folder (or country folder) for where you reside. I think the states should be for real, true-to-life present or former AM Stereo stations. For instance...yesterday I uploaded an aircheck that I recorded with an MCS3050 tuner. The signal it was receiving was my alfredo lite. But I uploaded it to the DEMOS folder, not the Wyoming folder. Everyone agree on that one? There's really some great classic stuff on the ftp site. There's wonderful priceless airchecks in many of the different folders....it would be wonderful to know what kind of radio it was recorded from and to have a date or at least a roundabout date (summer of 84 works). And we certainly deserve to give credit where credit is due. (recorded by Michael J. Richard). Sorry for the rant...it's not meant to be a rant. I'm just trying to keep the server organized and at times I feel like I don't have a lot of help, especially with ppl just logging in and dumping something in the uploads folder not letting anyone, especially me, know what it is so that I can put it where it should be. I am ALWAYS welcome to suggestions. I think we could use more folders. We already have an IBOC folder. We will (already do?) have a DAB folder as well. We can have a "mono" folder. Whatever. Please let me know what you think and I will do my best to keep it all organized. There are a few selected people that have privelages to help me, but I do most of the work myself so please forgive my forgetfulness. Sometimes it'll be a while between logins to maintain the site. Thank you and happy uploading! Michael - Admin ftp.amstereoradio.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 13 13:13:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4899 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 21:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 21:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (216.148.227.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 21:13:02 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004011321025301400pilape>; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:02:54 +0000 To: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:02:59 -0500 Message-ID: <015001c3da18$a23af930$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.148.227.85 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: Ford CD-6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Has anyone else had much experience with the Ford CD-6 radio with AM Stereo? I was in a car with one yesterday, and it seemed like it was very difficult to get it to work in stereo. In fact, the only station that I was able to get to show in stereo was my little Chris Cuff transmitter. The stereo light just would not light at all on 740 WJIB or 1090 WILD. Has anyone else had this probably, or could it just be that particular radio? Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jan 13 13:16:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55764 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 21:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 21:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 21:16:53 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.162]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:16:52 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:16:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <015001c3da18$a23af930$6400a8c0@AMD> Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Ford CD-6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From what I've seen here on the list, the later Ford radios were very tempermental about popping into stereo and even when they did that bandwidth was pretty crappy. Apparantly the stereo is done by a DSP chip. Correct me if I'm wrong, list? Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Lehmann [mailto:jjlehmann@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:03 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Ford CD-6 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jan 13 13:21:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36483 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 21:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 21:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 21:21:33 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.114]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:27:48 -0500 Message-ID: <003401c3da1a$f647a080$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <015001c3da18$a23af930$6400a8c0@AMD> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:19:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford CD-6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 These Visteon made radios are VERY cranky about switching to stereo. They are the only (to my knowledge) DSP based AM stereo capable radios on the market. (In other words, they do not use a separate decoder IC) So far, no one has come up with a fix- Visteon will not answer inquiries, either. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Lehmann To: Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:02 PM Subject: {AMSF} Ford CD-6 > Has anyone else had much experience with the Ford CD-6 radio with AM > Stereo? From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jan 13 13:22:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76878 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 21:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 21:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 21:22:36 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.114]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:28:40 -0500 Message-ID: <003a01c3da1b$15b40f80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:20:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford CD-6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Hey Mikey! You were typing while I was!.... LOL.. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard To: Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:16 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Ford CD-6 > From what I've seen here on the list, the later Ford radios were very > tempermental about popping into stereo From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jan 13 13:36:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87995 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 21:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 21:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 21:36:02 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.162]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:36:01 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:35:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <003a01c3da1b$15b40f80$0101a8c0@pavilion> Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Ford CD-6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes I were! I guess I actually got one right! Do I win the booby prize? :) One more thing on the subject of Fords....my boss has a '95 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer edition. It had the Ford/JBL audio system w/external amp in it. And it was indeed AM Stereo. Saw it and listened to it myself. Bandwidth seemed sorta mediocre if ya ask me. Seemed like the volume on the AM side was kinda low anyway. You'd switch into FM mode and have to turn down the volume. I'm not sure about this particular system and if it was DSP or not. Didn't seem to have any problems popping into stereo. He got a CD unit for Xmas and had his brother put it in. So the Ford/JBL system is out now and sitting in his garage. It just so happens that my wife also has a 95 Ford Explorer. We have a Kenwood CD unit in it right now, but that other radio would go right in there no problem :) Of course she's not going to want to let me put it in there because then she'd lose her CD capability. But if we ever get her another vehicle and the Explorer becomes mine, I wouldn't mind having that Ford/JBL radio in there. I'd hope I could get inside of it and widen the bandwidth up some. Interesting thoughts, though. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Chris Cuff [mailto:ccuff@in4web.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:21 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford CD-6 Hey Mikey! You were typing while I was!.... LOL.. CC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jan 13 13:52:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95375 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 21:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 21:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 21:52:01 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.114]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:58:06 -0500 Message-ID: <004e01c3da1f$325553c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:50:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford CD-6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The 1995 stuff used the old school MC13020, with Ford's own private in-house part # on it. Good radios. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard To: From bjackson@indyradio.com Tue Jan 13 13:56:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31660 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 21:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 21:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 21:56:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2004 21:55:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:55:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <015001c3da18$a23af930$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1024 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.108.210.98 Subject: Re: Ford CD-6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Lehmann" wrote: > Has anyone else had much experience with the Ford CD-6 radio with AM > Stereo? I was in a car with one yesterday, and it seemed like it was > very difficult to get it to work in stereo. In fact, the only station > that I was able to get to show in stereo was my little Chris Cuff > transmitter. The stereo light just would not light at all on 740 WJIB or > 1090 WILD. > > Has anyone else had this probably, or could it just be that particular > radio? > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA This is the radio I have in my '03 Focus. And, yes, it *is* very picky about popping into stereo. When I still lived in Indianapolis, I had to fight to get it into stereo on WGN (ah, the good 'ol days lol), WLS, or WJR. But in the expanded band, I had no problems getting Stereo on KCJJ 1630. The bandwidth is a little low...Maybe about 6KHZ or so? It sounds similar to the MCS 3050. - Brad Jackson - Afternoon Drive/Imaging - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL From bjackson@indyradio.com Tue Jan 13 14:08:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70097 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 22:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 22:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 22:08:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2004 22:08:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:08:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003401c3da1a$f647a080$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 827 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.108.210.98 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford CD-6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > These Visteon made radios are VERY cranky about switching to stereo. They > are the only (to my knowledge) DSP based AM stereo capable radios on the > market. (In other words, they do not use a separate decoder IC) > So far, no one has come up with a fix- Visteon will not answer inquiries, > either. > Chris One good thing about these radios is that they don't "false" as much as the radio did in my Jeep. The Chrysler AMAX radio would false into stereo quite often on WLW and (Indy) local WIBC at night. It would also hit stereo when I'd drive by the tower of 1460 in North Vernon, IN (when I worked there it *was* stereo standards as WKRP...Now it's mono ESPN I think as WNVI) - Brad Jackson - Afternoon Drive/Imaging - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 13 14:15:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30047 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 22:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 22:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (216.148.227.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 22:15:46 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004011322062501400pkbrve>; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:06:27 +0000 To: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:06:30 -0500 Message-ID: <015301c3da21$82ca2e50$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.148.227.85 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: WILD Recording X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn I recorded an hour of WILD today at 3 PM. It's scoped with some of the music left on each end. ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/WILD-BostonMA-2004-01-13.mp3 Enjoy! Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From rkhester@up-link.net Tue Jan 13 14:40:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28931 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 22:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 22:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 22:40:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2004 22:40:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:40:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040113185339.85164.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1249 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 170.94.116.114 Subject: Re: We welcome KEWI ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 Thanks for the welcome. We have a "long row to hoe" as my Grandfather used to say. The station uses Smartcaster hardrive system and it feeds into a stereo board so that part of it is pretty good.. But!...everthing else from there on is mono.....one STL, stuff like that. The reason the station has a powerside is because someone "promised" the current owner that the powerside would be "the answer to a prayer" so to speak, he was told that it would make the station sound like it was in stereo and increase the range. He also charges 500 bucks an month lease for it...This is an omni-station and there are no other stations anywhere near that frequency in Arkansas. It is on 690 khz. The the only time I ever hear anything bleeding in is at sign off time and that is skywave from 700 WLW. It is our hope to make this station grow. It is generating pretty good profit as is believe it or not. It would seem to me that the better something sounded the more people are likely to listen to it. In the future you may hear lots of questons and pleadings for advice lol, so if you all don't mind taking someone under your wing and showing them the way, I will be open to "all the help you can give"....lol Thanks, Richard From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 16:21:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8378 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 00:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 00:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 00:20:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 00:20:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:20:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 512 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.138.75.145 Subject: Ford Cassette X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I've got the FM Stereo/AM Stereo radio w/cassette that came with the 95-97 Ford Explorer... and the CD-6 thread above gives me the opportunity to say that neither the FM nor the AM sounds very good. It's always sounded a bit muffled to my ear-- needs more high end and clarity. Might be a limitation of the factory speakers... don't know. The AM Stereo DOES lock in like a champ, though. I just wish the system sounded better. My wife's Honda factory radio sounds GREAT; but it doesn't offer AM Stereo. From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jan 13 16:28:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94584 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 00:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 00:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 00:28:26 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.188.23cddcc3 (30960) for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:28:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <188.23cddcc3.2d35e727@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:28:23 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.6 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: We welcome KEWI ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The station uses Smartcaster hardrive=20=20 system and it feeds into a stereo board so that part of it is pretty=20 good.. But!...everthing else from there on is mono.....one STL,=20 stuff like that. Digital STLs are the answer there. You only need one transmitter and one=20 receiver as with a digital STL you can send several "channels" of audio on = one=20 frequency. Also the other benefit is a more in studio like sound...seems th= e=20 analong STLs are a bit hissy at times depending on how long the hop is etc = etc=20 etc.Put it ths way as well.....say for example a 15 watt analog STL will co= ver=20 nearly the same distance as a digital STL using only something like 1 watt.= So=20 there is an effiency factor there too. The reason the station has a powerside is because=20 >=20 > someone "promised" the current owner that the powerside would be "the=20 > answer to a prayer" so to speak, he was told that it would make the=20 > station sound like it was in stereo and increase the range. He also=20 > charges 500 bucks an month lease for it...This is an omni-station and=20 > there are no other stations anywhere near that frequency in=20 > Arkansas.=20 Send it back to the Kahn artist!...hahaha! little play on words. > It=20 > is our hope to make this station grow. It is generating pretty good=20 > profit as is believe it or not. It would seem to me that the better=20 > something sounded the more people are likely to listen to it.=20 > In the future you may hear lots of questons and pleadings for=20 > advice lol, so if you all don't mind taking someone under your wing=20 > and showing them the way, I will be open to "all the help you can=20 > give"....lol Thanks, Richard >=20 Remember something about the sound of a station....all the listener cares=20 about is being able to hear the program clearly.If the processing is cranke= d up=20 so loud as to give people listening fatigue,headaches,and or ear aches then= =20 you've acomplished nothing. Just keep it simple....set the processing for best ultimate sound and leave= =20 it and focus more on program content.If your station sounds great but nothi= ng=20 on of interest to anyone,then again you've accomplished nothing....so you h= ave=20 to find a happy balance.Bottom line,whatever the station is doing now to ma= ke=20 a decent profit...dont change the forumla to much. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ----------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jan 13 16:31:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97815 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 00:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 00:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 00:31:07 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.37.42fb8a45 (30960) for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:30:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <37.42fb8a45.2d35e7c2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:30:58 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.8 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} We welcome KEWI ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/13/04 2:49:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > Technically, you cannot use the Kahn in full stereo mode (what about with= =20 > the > pilot switched-off?),=20 Technically still not legal as it would be a stereo mode.{ L-R , L+R } C-Quam is the only legal game in town...with or without a pilot. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brian60420@yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 16:34:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85553 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 00:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 00:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60606.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.244) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 00:34:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20040114003400.74271.qmail@web60606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.47.145.107] by web60606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:34:00 PST Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:34:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.244 From: brian60420 Subject: Re: {AMSF} New afordable AM Stereos. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm glad to see someone took my advice about linking to the only "new" AM Stereo products available to consumers. I wish the folks with radio station websites would do the same. It's very easy to create a link on a website with a small explanation. At the very least, someone will order one and spread the word. brian >"Kevin T." wrote: > www.audiocubes.com they have affordable new AM Stereo > radios (2 walkmans and a good portable(SRF A300) >Even easier... go to http://www.AMStereoRadio.com and click on >"Radios". I updated it to include info about and direct links to the >three Sony radios that AudioCubes has available. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 16:44:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85604 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 00:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 00:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 00:44:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 00:44:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:44:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 582 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: New afordable AM Stereos. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Translation interspersed: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mmolano2000" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Francisco Guzman=20 > wrote: > > ALL MY AM Stereos are form the 80 and getting worn,are > > their any afordable ones in the2004? > >=20 >=20 > Hola Francisco, Hello Francisco, >=20 > mira por aqu=ED: Look here: >=20 > www.audiocubes.com >=20 > -->portable audio > -->Portable Radios/Cassette Player >=20 > Hay varios modelos de SONY. There are various SONY models. >=20 > Saludos. Greetings. >=20 > M. Molano > Salamanca > Spain. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 16:47:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18367 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 00:47:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 00:47:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 00:47:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 00:47:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:47:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4172 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: FTP site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I try to have the important info in the filenames of what I upload... I'll check when I get a chance to see what I've uploaded in the past and if possible/necessary rename files or let you know what's what. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > I don't know if it is a ploy to try to get me to allow more and/or > less-restrictive access to the site but I really need some help with it. > Plese, folks...when you upload something, please let me know what it is and > where it needs to go. I know I've had plenty of complaining "well you put > that in the IBOC folder and it's not IBOC"......well if you would have told > me in the first place what it is, then I could put it in the right place. > We've got diagrams and schematics and all kinds of fun stuff in the > 'uploads' folder. There's airchecks there that I actually downloaded and > listened to that are mono. There's additional folders....36k, 48k, 56k, > and DAB. I am assuming these are folders for DAB stuff from Europe or > wherever. And that's cool. But we'll be moving these to a DAB folder or > something like that. This is the uploads folder and it's only temporary > ...always. The files put in there are always meant to end up somewhere > else. > In any case....I've mentioned it a few times already PLEASE let me know if > something is in the wrong place so I can fix it. PLEASE let me know when > you upload something so that at least I know what it is and what to do with > it. > I have been trying to figure out some sort of way to identify things. I > thought about a text file that would serve as an "index" file. Maybe one in > each state's folder. Then again that would be a lot of trouble. I don't > know if there is a difference in IDv2 and IDv3 on MP3's....since most > airchecks here are MP3's it would be nice to have a comment area in the IDv2 > tag that said something like "KBOI-AM Stereo 670 - Boise, Idaho recorded > with a Sony SRF-42 on October 8th, 1994" in there so we know what it is and > where it came from. Something with a name like (NO OFFENSE, KT) > amstereo.mp3 does not help much. It could be ANYTHING! That brings up > another important factor. Yes, I know PART15 stations are real stations but > I'd still consider if you have an aircheck made with your part 15 alfredo > lite or other transmitter, it should go in the "DEMOS" folder, and not in > the state folder (or country folder) for where you reside. I think the > states should be for real, true-to-life present or former AM Stereo > stations. > For instance...yesterday I uploaded an aircheck that I recorded with an > MCS3050 tuner. The signal it was receiving was my alfredo lite. But I > uploaded it to the DEMOS folder, not the Wyoming folder. Everyone agree on > that one? > > There's really some great classic stuff on the ftp site. There's wonderful > priceless airchecks in many of the different folders....it would be > wonderful to know what kind of radio it was recorded from and to have a date > or at least a roundabout date (summer of 84 works). And we certainly > deserve to give credit where credit is due. (recorded by Michael J. > Richard). > > Sorry for the rant...it's not meant to be a rant. I'm just trying to keep > the server organized and at times I feel like I don't have a lot of help, > especially with ppl just logging in and dumping something in the uploads > folder not letting anyone, especially me, know what it is so that I can put > it where it should be. > > I am ALWAYS welcome to suggestions. I think we could use more folders. We > already have an IBOC folder. We will (already do?) have a DAB folder as > well. We can have a "mono" folder. Whatever. Please let me know what you > think and I will do my best to keep it all organized. There are a few > selected people that have privelages to help me, but I do most of the work > myself so please forgive my forgetfulness. Sometimes it'll be a while > between logins to maintain the site. > > Thank you and happy uploading! > > Michael - Admin ftp.amstereoradio.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jan 13 16:53:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6912 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 00:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 00:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 00:53:24 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.3b.426bb8dd (30960) for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:53:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3b.426bb8dd.2d35ecfc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:53:16 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.99 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} missing pages X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/13/04 3:07:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, stodd@vippn.co= m=20 writes: > Never seen a Delta manual so I couldn't say. Are you suggesting that=20 > Motorola didn't make their own equipment at that time? >=20 > One other request- I have recently acquired a BE AS-10 AMS monitor.=20=20 > I could use a manual for that too.=20=20 >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 As far as the Motorola gear...I've never seen a manual for them either,but = it=20 sounds like the two are very simular. As far as a BE AS_10AMS monitor manual...cant help you there.We're still=20 using the Delta Electronics monitor here. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Tue Jan 13 16:53:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33695 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 00:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 00:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 00:53:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 00:53:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:53:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <112.2d7a208f.2d34d9f8@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 495 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.143 Subject: Re: DX opportunity......limited time offer,grab it while it last X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > DX opportunity......running music from the 90's,80's right now..at 1KW > nondirectional until 1AM on 560 AM > > >I might not be able to get WGAI from where I live but I will keep this in mind. If I could it would be a new distance record for me. I have tried other stations mentioned including KEVA and a station experementing with Cam-D I forget the call letters. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rkhester@up-link.net Tue Jan 13 17:00:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98460 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 01:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 01:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 01:00:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 00:59:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:59:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <188.23cddcc3.2d35e727@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1091 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 170.94.116.114 Subject: {AMSF} Re: We welcome KEWI ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 > Remember something about the sound of a station....all the listener cares about is being able to hear the program clearly.If the processing is cranked up so loud as to give people listening fatigue,headaches,and or ear aches then you've acomplished nothing. Just keep it simple....set the processing for best ultimate sound and leave it and focus more on program content.If your station sounds great but nothing on of interest to anyone,then again you've accomplished nothing....so you have to find a happy balance.Bottom line,whatever the station is doing now to make a decent profit...dont change the forumla to much. We will keep the format the same for the most part. After all it is working!! We just want to make it sound better. As far as processing, no one, is more critical of sound than me. I hate overprocessed sound that sounds flattened and I HATE overmodulation. I am a sound engineer at my church and I can't stand things not the way they need to be!! I say, set it where it sounds GOOD; ie bass and treble, and stereo!!..and let it run! Richard From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Jan 13 17:00:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98706 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 01:00:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 01:00:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.118) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 01:00:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:00:28 -0800 Received: from 172.161.251.112 by bay7-dav14.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:00:28 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <5D276584-4588-11D8-BC34-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:00:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2004 01:00:28.0428 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD06ECC0:01C3DA39] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.118 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.161.251.112] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fanfare Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Richard Wagoner wrote: > On a home tuner, you really don't have to worry about changes due to stereo blend and variable bandwidth as you would in a car, Where I will be located, the ONLY AM Stereo signals I will be able to hear are night time DX. I will be dealing with constant fading. Kevin From brian60420@yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 17:09:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61880 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 01:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 01:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60602.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.222) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 01:09:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20040114010907.34156.qmail@web60602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.47.145.107] by web60602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:09:07 PST Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:09:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040112154844.97596.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.222 From: brian60420 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another Reason They're Pushing HD-R/IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wasn't confused at all when I bought my XM radio. It has replaced my FM band forever. Bring on IBOC. It won't sway my decision at all. brian >"John P." wrote: >Here's another reason why they're pushing HD-R/IBOC - it may not be better, but >will serve only only one purpose: to confuse potential satellite radio buyers; >see the following from Barrons: >"But demand for satellite radio could be hurt by the recent launch of a new >technology called high-definition radio. Though digital and satellite radio may >not compete directly, the new services have the potential to sow confusion >among consumers, Barron's said." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Tue Jan 13 17:20:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8632 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 01:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 01:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 01:20:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 01:20:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:20:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 667 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.143 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford CD-6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" > wrote: >\ > as the radio did in my Jeep. The Chrysler AMAX radio would false > into stereo quite often on WLW and (Indy) local WIBC at night. It > would also hit stereo when I'd drive by the tower of 1460 in North > Vernon, IN (when I worked there it *was* stereo standards as > WKRP...Now it's mono ESPN I think as WNVI) > > - Brad Jackson > - Afternoon Drive/Imaging > - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL Your radio is not flasing stereo on WIBC according to what I heard they are in stereo at night along with other stations. From brian60420@yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 17:29:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81307 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 01:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 01:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60601.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.221) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 01:29:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20040114012910.87778.qmail@web60601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.47.145.107] by web60601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:29:10 PST Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:29:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040114010907.34156.qmail@web60602.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.221 From: brian60420 Subject: Symphony - Here's the latest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motorola actually has a plan!!!! As follows: Brian; Your note inquiring about the status of Symphony was forwarded to me. First, thank you for asking. Symphony is an umbrella marketing term, that applies to our digital audio and radio products. So let me give you an update on the 3 focus areas... Audio DSP: We have a 24-bit DSP family that has been in production for ~8 years. We have recently introduced the 56371, the first .13u version of this family, which runs at 150Mhz. Compressed Audio: We have a 32-bit MCU platform to address the MP3 market based on our Coldfire (68K) architecture. We have recently introduced the Amadeus platform for this market. Digital Radio: We announced our DIF radio solution last year. We have several design in at the OEM level and are still working with radio manufacturers to service the U.S. aftermarket. I expect this to happen in the first half of 2004. Regards, Bill Motorola >brian60420 wrote: >I wasn't confused at all when I bought my XM radio. It has replaced my FM band forever. Bring on IBOC. It won't >sway my decision at all. >brian >"John P." wrote: >Here's another reason why they're pushing HD-R/IBOC - it may not be better, but >will serve only only one purpose: to confuse potential satellite radio buyers; >see the following from Barrons: >"But demand for satellite radio could be hurt by the recent launch of a new >technology called high-definition radio. Though digital and satellite radio may >not compete directly, the new services have the potential to sow confusion >among consumers, Barron's said." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Jan 13 17:46:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90351 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 01:46:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 01:46:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 01:46:47 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040114014629.MEH15401.fed1mtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:46:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:46:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <77CBE2E5-4633-11D8-9C1E-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.126 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford CD-6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tuesday, January 13, 2004, at 05:20 PM, bratina501 wrote: > when I'd drive by the tower of 1460 in North > > Vernon, IN (when I worked there it *was* stereo standards as > > WKRP...Now it's mono ESPN I think as WNVI) > > > Isn't WKRP in Cincinnati? (Yes, I'm kidding). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Jan 13 18:30:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91912 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 02:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 02:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.120) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 02:30:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:30:44 -0800 Received: from 172.161.251.112 by bay7-dav16.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:30:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040113185339.85164.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:30:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2004 02:30:44.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[68F5A200:01C3DA46] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.120 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.161.251.112] Subject: Re: {AMSF} We welcome KEWI ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: > Technically, you cannot use the Kahn in full stereo mode Yea, but I know of several "progressive" stations that run full blown Kahn ISB Stereo....15hz pilot and all! I heard another one in Central Florida! Kevin From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Jan 13 19:00:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3767 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 03:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 03:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 03:00:24 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i0E30NnO054699 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:00:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004001c3da4a$8e469010$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:00:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford CD-6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > One good thing about these radios is that they don't "false" as much > as the radio did in my Jeep. The Chrysler AMAX radio would false > into stereo quite often on WLW and (Indy) local WIBC at night. It > would also hit stereo when I'd drive by the tower of 1460 in North > Vernon, IN (when I worked there it *was* stereo standards as > WKRP...Now it's mono ESPN I think as WNVI) Actually the WIBC Night-time transmitter used to have a C-Quam exciter and when they went from 50kw to 10kw at sunset, the stereo light would come on 'cause they were broadcasting the pilot. It was a hold-over from their Fairbanks/AM-Stereo days. When they killed the daytime stereo pilot, the airchain went back to mono, but they did continue to pump out a stereo pilot on their night power/array for several years. North Vernon's 1460 is Fox Sports in mono. The only real AM stereo I get these days is WLS and WZZB. From g7ltt@g7ltt.com Tue Jan 13 19:00:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: g7ltt@g7ltt.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97092 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 03:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 03:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net) (167.206.5.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 03:00:51 -0000 Received: from g7ltt (ool-44c4857d.dyn.optonline.net [68.196.133.125]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with SMTP id <0HRG007H3LPFTH@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:00:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:00:51 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <004901c3da4a$9e284460$64c9a8c0@g7ltt> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20040114010907.34156.qmail@web60602.mail.yahoo.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 167.206.5.74 From: Mark Phillips Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another Reason They're Pushing HD-R/IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10386607 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc2eni Barrons couldn't find their arse with both hands. There is no way that IBOC is going to confuse a potential digital buyer. One word sums it up; choice. Now that XM has gone commercial free on its home grown channels there's even more reason to join the XM Nation. I cannot forsee any condition in which a radio buyer would spend out hard earned on something that won't give him better reception or more choice, or less channel changes on the drive to Boston (why didn't RDS-EON take off here?) or .... You get my point. Mark Phillips G7LTT/KC2ENI Randolph NJ http://www.g7ltt.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian60420" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 20:09 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another Reason They're Pushing HD-R/IBOC > I wasn't confused at all when I bought my XM radio. It has replaced my FM band forever. Bring on IBOC. It won't sway my decision at all. > > brian > > >"John P." wrote: > >Here's another reason why they're pushing HD-R/IBOC - it may not be better, but > >will serve only only one purpose: to confuse potential satellite radio buyers; > >see the following from Barrons: > > >"But demand for satellite radio could be hurt by the recent launch of a new > >technology called high-definition radio. Though digital and satellite radio may > >not compete directly, the new services have the potential to sow confusion > >among consumers, Barron's said." > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Jan 13 19:06:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70115 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 03:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 03:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 03:06:05 -0000 Received: from storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 339C8105C2 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:06:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id TAA27181; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:06:05 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQqCkaidQPH6eB9WoGuTCD4sGvzPwIUIDE3VFMLx6FLOZqN7mzn9gQ5je8= Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:06:04 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <23077-4004B21C-3440@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 14 Jan 2004 01:00:30 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1037 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 The comments on the Ford// Visteon CD-6 radios are on the mark. They are touchy about the stereo, especially when reception conditions are less that ideal. They do use DSP decoding. My employer used to be an Ford Repair center until Dec 2002. Also, Factory CD-6's often had AM Stereo, most aftermarket CD-6 versions DO NOT. Part numbers were similar SO it was / is very difficult to tell the AM/ST from AM Mono models. Typical part numbers were like XU3F-18C815-NA , 3L2T-18C815-FA and similar. The older Ford premium AM Stereo radios seemed more forgiving on their ability to "lock-in" on an AM Stereo signal. Bill S. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From bjackson@indyradio.com Tue Jan 13 19:39:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13483 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 03:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 03:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 03:39:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 03:39:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:39:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 610 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.108.218.132 Subject: Re: Ford CD-6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" wrote: > Your radio is not flasing stereo on WIBC according to what I heard > they are in stereo at night along with other stations. Not for at least the last 4 years! WIBC *used* to be c-quam 24/7...Then only at night on low (10,000 watts) power. When Emmis moved them into new digital studios, all seperation went away but the pilot stayed on. Then back in 1998 or 99 they went mono 24/7. This happened about 2 days after WMYS/WXNT 1430 shut off their pilot as well. - Brad Jackson - Afternoon Drive/Imaging - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL From rkhester@up-link.net Tue Jan 13 19:41:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84577 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 03:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 03:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 03:41:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 03:40:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:40:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 382 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 170.94.116.114 Subject: Re: {AMSF} We welcome KEWI ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > John P. wrote: > > Technically, you cannot use the Kahn in full stereo mode > > Yea, but I know of several "progressive" stations that run full blown Kahn > ISB Stereo....15hz pilot and all! I heard another one in Central Florida! > > Kevin How can they do that and not get shut down? Richard From bjackson@indyradio.com Tue Jan 13 19:45:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71594 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 03:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 03:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 03:45:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 03:45:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:45:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004001c3da4a$8e469010$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1093 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.108.218.132 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford CD-6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > Actually the WIBC Night-time transmitter used to have a C-Quam exciter and > when they went from 50kw to 10kw at sunset, the stereo light would come on > 'cause they were broadcasting the pilot. It was a hold-over from their > Fairbanks/AM-Stereo days. When they killed the daytime stereo pilot, the > airchain went back to mono, but they did continue to pump out a stereo pilot > on their night power/array for several years. Actually Jim, WIBC still had seperation up until 1998 or so. While the studios were in Carmel on North Meridian St., they were stereo along with dying cart decks (a *lot* of wow & flutter). It wasn't until they moved into the Emmis World HQ on the Circle that they went to a mono airchain. I suspect that they just put the audio boards in mono when WIBC used the showcase studios on the Circle. The top of the hour tone, by the way, was the *only* thing with seperation after the move...It was panned hard right. - Brad Jackson - Afternoon Drive/Imaging - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 19:49:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55461 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 03:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 03:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 03:49:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 03:49:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:49:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2769 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.7 Subject: RCA Hi-Fi AM tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Today I finally got the RCA tuner that I won on eBay a while back: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3064896294 All I can say is, this thing is amazing! No, it's not AM Stereo... but what lurks underneath a very unassuming and surprisingly small (it's 17" wide but only 6" deep) box is an excellent AMAX-type hi-fi AM tuner! I can't find any exact date codes on or in it, but its tuning extends from 520 to 1710 kHz on AM, and it uses some surface-mount circuitry, so I'm assuming it's from the mid-'90s -- and the only thing to identify its high performance is the label "RCA AM Hi-Fi/FM Stereo Tuner", an "AM Hi-Fi" button, and a corresponding "AM Hi-Fi" indicator LED. First off, it has excellent sensitivity -- not quite as "hot" as an MCS-3050, but definitely much better than average, and selectivity for DXing is very good in non-"Hi-Fi" mode, as well. But when you do enable "Hi-Fi" mode, it opens up to a full 10 kHz bandwidth (it actually uses a Murata 10 kHz ceramic filter), with a carrier whistle notch filter and proper NRSC de-emphasis. Aside from its lack of impulse noise blanking, this tuner meets all the AMAX specifications! Audio bandwidth in "Hi-Fi" mode is flat as a board up to at least 9 kHz, with a gradual roll-off to 9.5 kHz and then a sharp notch to silence carrier whistles... but then the response recovers above 10 kHz and continues up to at least 12.5 kHz, so if a station is not using an NRSC filter, you can definitely hear the extra crispness. Even as-is, this is definitely one of the best-sounding _modern_ mono AM tuners I've used -- only the GE Superadio III sounds better in its own hi-fi wideband mode. But unlike the SR-III, this RCA tuner DOES easily convert to AM Stereo and the results are equally impressive! On the FM side, it's also very good -- the entire FM tuner front-end is in a shielded "matchbox", just like I've seen in car radios. Even with a short piece of wire as the antenna, it picks up weak adjacent- channel signals which most of my other FM tuners completely ignore or can only receive with a lot of hiss and splatter. I can only imagine what things would be like if ALL tuners were like this little RCA -- with "Hi-Fi" AM that sounds subjectively equal to or even better than FM, even in mono. In my 9 years of discussing AM radio and AM Stereo online, I've NEVER heard anyone mention this tuner... I just happened to find it on eBay because I was searching for "AM Stereo" and the seller said it's "not an AM Stereo tuner". It's RCA Model No. "TU 120-10".... but good look finding another one anywhere! Of course, I will post audio samples soon... but I'm having trouble picking which audio clips to upload, because they all sound so good! From rkhester@up-link.net Tue Jan 13 20:11:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8872 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 04:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 04:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 04:11:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 04:11:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:11:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 210 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 170.94.116.114 Subject: Ford AM Stereo question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 I have a 1996 Ford Ranger xlt with the stereo that has the cassette player. Is there any mods that can be done to open the bandwidth up on this unit, or is what you see, or "hear", rather,is what you get? From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Jan 13 20:36:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43790 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 04:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 04:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 04:36:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:36:43 -0800 Received: from 172.161.251.112 by bay7-dav51.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:36:42 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:36:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2004 04:36:43.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[029089F0:01C3DA58] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.40 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.161.251.112] Subject: Kahn Stereo Was: We welcome KEWI ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Richard_K_Hester wrote: > How can they do that and not get shut down? Richard Well, the ONLY way anybody would know is if they just happened to tune in the station with an old Kahn or multi-system radio. I sure won't rat them out to the FCC. I think it is GREAT when a station fires up the ol' Stereo generator....even when it is a non-standard mode. Besides, if the station did get busted, they could just play dumb and say: "Gee, how did that switch get flipped from PowerSide to Stereo?". The CE could just flip it to PowerSide with the FCC inspector watching and make a few comments like: "Damned jocks and PD should leave my transmitter alone" and "Wish that cheap bean counting SOB would buy a HD transmitter" and chances are the inspector will overlook it, especially if he gets treated with coffee and doughnuts. While I think C-QUAM has an audio edge over Kahn ISB on a local Daytime signal, Kahn ISB sounds better under less than ideal listening conditions such as selective fading and QRM from other stations. Kevin From rkhester@up-link.net Tue Jan 13 20:48:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80226 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 04:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 04:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 04:48:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 04:48:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:48:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 495 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 170.94.116.114 Subject: Re: Kahn Stereo Was: We welcome KEWI ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 > Richard_K_Hester wrote: > > How can they do that and not get shut down? Richard Well, the ONLY way anybody would know is if they just happened to tune in the station with an old Kahn or multi-system radio. I sure won't rat them out to the FCC. I think it is GREAT when a station fires up the ol' Stereo generator....even when it is a non-standard mode Very true, I wouldn't tell either lol, you never know when the old powerside just might get bumped over into stereo mode....ha ha. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 08:18:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35792 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 16:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 16:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 16:18:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20040114161806.94034.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.105] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:18:06 PST Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:18:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford AM Stereo question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard_K_Hester wrote: > I have a 1996 Ford Ranger xlt with the stereo that > has the cassette > player. Is there any mods that can be done to open > the bandwidth up > on this unit, or is what you see, or "hear", > rather,is what you get? So do I. Unfortunately I have terrible electrical noise, most likely the fuel pump, which Ford has "secret" service bulletins on. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FTP site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks very much :) Anybody else got some stuff in there they need to tell me about?? :) Michael n Wyo - admin--amstereoradio FTP site ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: FTP site I try to have the important info in the filenames of what I upload... I'll check when I get a chance to see what I've uploaded in the past and if possible/necessary rename files or let you know what's what. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 09:56:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34528 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 17:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 17:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 17:56:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 17:55:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:55:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 144 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.140.60.63 Subject: Re: RCA Hi-Fi AM tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee What a GREAT find! Did the seller offer any background on this tuner... where it was purchased? Whether the seller was the original owner? From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 10:01:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94548 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 18:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 18:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 18:01:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 18:01:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:01:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 271 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.140.60.63 Subject: Re: RCA Hi-Fi AM / another on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Well... either RCA made two slightly different models, or the seller for THIS one has the wrong model number: YU-120-10 instead of TU-120-10. It's "as-is" and needs repair according to the description: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3071733455 From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Jan 14 11:31:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34355 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 19:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 19:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 19:31:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 19:30:42 -0000 Date: 14 Jan 2004 19:30:41 -0000 Message-ID: <1074108641.650.63067.w31@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the amstereoforum group: If Congres woud pass a law that Tuners and Recivers sold or manufactured in the U.S.A That have FM Stereo,must also have AM Stereo. o Yes o No o Mabe o I Dont Know? o why? To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/surveys?id=11587592 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From stodd@vippn.com Wed Jan 14 11:34:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3644 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 19:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 19:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 19:33:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 19:32:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:32:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 336 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've just submitted my comments on LPAM. Bob Carter- you said you filed yours, but they didn't show up in the list of those filed. You might want to try again. Rev. Chrysafis- you forgot to mention anything about a stereo preference. Anyone else interested in LPAM and stereo, get your comments in. It's RM-10803. Scott Todd From stodd@vippn.com Wed Jan 14 11:56:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75145 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 19:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 19:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 19:56:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 19:55:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:55:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 491 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: Ford AM Stereo question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Richard_K_Hester" wrote: > I have a 1996 Ford Ranger xlt with the stereo that has the cassette > player. Is there any mods that can be done to open the bandwidth up > on this unit, or is what you see, or "hear", rather,is what you get? Actually, there is something you can do. Put a small cap (usually only about 5-18pF) across the ceramic resonator. It may take some trial and error, but that should open it up. Scott Todd From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jan 14 14:50:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75705 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 22:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 22:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 22:50:44 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.17e.253a61a6 (30950) for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:50:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <17e.253a61a6.2d3721b8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:50:32 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.97 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn Stereo Was: We welcome KEWI ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/13/04 11:39:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 possumhunter@netzero.net writes: > Besides, if the station did get busted, they could just play dumb and say= : > "Gee, how did that switch get flipped from PowerSide to Stereo?". The CE > could just flip it to PowerSide with the FCC inspector watching and make = a > few comments like: "Damned jocks and PD should leave my transmitter alone= " > and "Wish that cheap bean counting SOB would buy a HD transmitter" and > chances are the inspector will overlook it, especially if he gets treated > with coffee and doughnuts. With this being true for the most part......BUT......heaven forbid should a= =20 station get inspected by an FCC inspector that is having a bad day and no s= ort=20 of "good treatment" would "smooth things over".I sure would not leave anyth= ing=20 up,on,off or out of wack that wasnt suppose to be in those=20 conditions.Protecting my employers license and my livelyhood is first and f= oremost top priority. >=20 > While I think C-QUAM has an audio edge over Kahn ISB on a local Daytime > signal, Kahn ISB sounds better under less than ideal listening conditions > such as selective fading and QRM from other stations. >=20 >=20 I would agree on all accounts with that statement.Had the FCC set the=20 standard instead of letting the industry set it,we might be lookign at a sl= ightly=20 different sounding AM broadcast band today. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougharding@mindspring.com Wed Jan 14 14:52:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41858 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 22:52:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2004 22:52:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 22:52:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2004 22:52:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:52:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1029 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Tampa Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Donn I enjoyed your Tampa Radio update. I lived in Tampa from August 1986 until May 1997 then I moved to Miami. I was there for the golden age of radio. WFLA was all local with guys like bob lassiter and there was WPLP 570 which was also all local with great talk hosts. There was a lot of music on AM and yes even AM stereo like 1010 1420 860 and even WPLP 570 talk was AM stereo. There was also a good talk station on 760 but I do not remember the call letters and who could forget WSUN 620 with Ron and Ron followed by The three playboy bunnies, and the nightime show Passion Phones. Those were the days. Down here in miami we still have Neil Rogers on WQAM but that is all the local talk there is except for sports. You are also right about the cuban interference. It was a lot worse in Tampa then it is in Miami. I have no trouble hearing 880 WCBS here at night but could not hear it in Tampa. Even WPLP was allowed to broadcast with 10,000 watts at night but were only 5000 watts daytime to counter cuban intereference. From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Jan 14 16:35:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32570 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 00:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 00:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 00:35:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:35:32 -0800 Received: from 172.134.75.54 by bay7-dav35.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:35:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <17e.253a61a6.2d3721b8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:34:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2004 00:35:32.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BBBB280:01C3DAFF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.92 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.134.75.54] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn Stereo Was: We welcome KEWI ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 KC4QLP@aol.com> >Protecting my employers license and my livelyhood is first and foremost top priority. While I agree, there are many stations out there where the owner chooses to violate the law. > >Had the FCC set the standard instead of letting the industry set it,we might be lookign at a slightly different sounding AM broadcast band today. I am sure that if the CC had set a standard from day 1, almost every AM station would turn on the Stereo light, just like on FM. Kevin From rkhester@up-link.net Wed Jan 14 17:04:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20021 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 01:04:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 01:04:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 01:04:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 01:04:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:04:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 959 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 170.94.116.114 Subject: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 I have a question that I hope doesn't stir up too much trouble. I am new to this group and have spent time reading some of the messages that have been posted, and I have noted that there is a trend for stations to turn off their stereo over a period of time, especially after being bought by a media group. Why is this? As good as stereo sounds, why would they want to turn it off? If the equipment is already there and hooked up, why kill it? Surely keeping the exciter turned on doesn't pull that much more electricity. It would seem to me that an owner of a station would want their station to sound as good as possible so people would listen to it. That is one of the reasons when you mention AM to a lot of people they say yuck. They have never heard a good station on a good radio. They think it all sounds flat and dead. I hope I haven't "hit the hornets nest with a baseball bat" but I want to know. What's UP with that?? From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 17:17:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9319 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 01:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 01:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 01:17:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 01:17:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:17:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 245 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: WWBF: Pilot check, please? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Can you Central Floridians/Tampa Bay'ers check to see that WWBF/1130 in Bartow is putting out a pilot and broadcasting in full AM Stereo?? Am (God willing) planning a trip up there for this weekend to test my new AM Stereo radios. --Tony S. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 17:19:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3235 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 01:19:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 01:19:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 01:19:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 01:19:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:19:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 174 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: Tampa Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > There was also a good talk station > on 760 but I do not remember the call letters WBDN...Before that, WEND....Was run for a while by the infamous Sonny Bloch. --tony From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jan 14 17:38:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36888 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 01:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 01:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 01:38:56 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.142.2076d459 (30950) for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:38:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <142.2076d459.2d374927@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:38:47 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.8 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They think it all=20 sounds flat and dead. I hope I haven't "hit the hornets nest with a=20 baseball bat" but I want to know. What's UP with that??=20=20 Well some of it has to do with "back room politics" and the often reasons=20 givn are:"there arent any stereo receivers being made anymore and there are= so=20 few people listening in stereo anymore...so we decided to discontinue that= =20 service" or,"we are in the process of upgrading to start using digital" [IB= OC] (=20 IBOC and C-Quam use the same method of transmission so to speak..so you can= not=20 run C-Quam and IBOC at the same time. ) and the last excuse often used is "we're a talk station so why should we be= =20 stereo?" All kinda far fetched if you ask me unless a station is going to try IBOC=20 [IBOC is kinda far fetched given the hash it puts on either side of a stati= on=20 using that system...sounds like white noise and any station that could be h= eard=20 before, 20kcs away from a former 100% analog, turned digital hybrid=20 station..well kiss reception of the station 20kc's away as it will be cover= ed up by the=20 tuned called "The IBOC hash".] So thats pretty much it in a nutshell. Sad to think that broadcasters dont= =20 want decent sounding stations...without causing great amounts of apparent=20 interference at the same time. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ----------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Jan 14 17:41:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97177 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 01:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 01:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.119) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 01:41:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:41:37 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:41:36 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:41:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2004 01:41:37.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6E8B070:01C3DB08] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.119 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Tampa Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Doug, Glad you enjoyed the Tampa radio review of the golden age of radio...... sigh....., if only things were half as good now! :) The Cuban interference is really a problem and even more so in St Petersburg than in Tampa, due to the skip over the water. I used to visit a friend, Cathy West, who was on the air at WPLP just before the went talk in December of 1978 and I could be just north of their towers (In Seminole) and the Radio Reloj would overpower WPLP at times, this within sight of their towers!! WPLP (People Listening to People) was a great concept while it lasted. Alas, WPLP 570 is no more and like WFLA, a shadow of what it used to be. 570 is now part of the Salem broadcasting group and they and 910 am (both have towers in Hillsbourough country about 17 miles apart, simucast religious and political talk programs. Both 570 and 910 suffer from the interference from Radio Reloj. My favorite memories of WSUN, 620 were from late 1991 through 1993 when the line-up was Bob Lassiter with Sharon Taylor(both went on to WFLA), then Neil Rogers, Rick and Suds and Randi Rhodes. WSUN at the time was owned by COX as was WIOD and simucasted with WIOD part of the day. I met Randi Rhodes(now on WJNO - WPB) and Rick and Suds when they did an appearance at the Clearwater Mall. Last heard Rick and Suds in June 2000 on WINZ, before they became FOX sports. Did catch Neil Rogers on WQAM when last on the Treasure Coast this past November. The 760 talk (I can't remember the call letters either) is now one of those Mexican formatted stations playing the Mexican type accordian music; I prefer the Cuban salsa programming; more lively and not so sad sounding. Do you ever listen to 810 or 1540 out of the Bahamas? btw- 1450- WSPB Sarasota had great stereo programming as did WSGX -1280, Sarasota as well. Donn Tillman St Petersburg _________________________________________________________________ Find out everything you need to know about Las Vegas here for that getaway. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/vivalasvegas.armx From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Jan 14 17:49:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 240 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 01:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 01:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.6) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 01:49:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:49:15 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:49:15 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:49:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2004 01:49:15.0806 (UTC) FILETIME=[C84B1BE0:01C3DB09] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.6 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: RE: {AMSF} WWBF: Pilot check, please? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Tony, If I get home before local sunset (6pm) tomorrow, I will check, but they (WBF 1130) were still stereo Saturday and Sunday, when I had time to position my radio just right and attach the Radio Shack version of the select-antenna. Donn 65 miles west-south-west of Bartow ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Anthony" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} WWBF: Pilot check, please? Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:17:30 -0000 Can you Central Floridians/Tampa Bay'ers check to see that WWBF/1130 in Bartow is putting out a pilot and broadcasting in full AM Stereo?? Am (God willing) planning a trip up there for this weekend to test my new AM Stereo radios. --Tony S. _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 19:06:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28542 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 03:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 03:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 03:06:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 03:04:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:04:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 120 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.141.176.57 Subject: Australian AM-AM Stereo Pioneer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee This guy has some GREAT pics of this old tube unit... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3071068079 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 19:49:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62174 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 03:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 03:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 03:49:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 03:48:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:48:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2992 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.144 Subject: Time Mag. says analog AM sounds better than IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics An interesting article... sifting through all the industry fluff, Ms. Hamilton reveals the bottom line: analog AM/FM radio sounds better than IBOC, and "it doesn't make much sense to buy [an IBOC receiver] now". Radio Zaps The Static: AM and FM stations get a high-tech tune-up with the debut of HD radio By Anita Hamilton TIME Magazine Monday, January 12, 2004 If static-plagued reception made you give up on radio years ago, this may be the year you tune back in. That's because dozens of AM and FM stations are starting to transmit digital broadcasts that promise crisper, clearer sound. The first HD (high definition) radio tuner goes on sale this month. It will be unveiled at this week's Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, along with other models due this spring. Digital broadcasts can produce better-quality audio because the tightly encoded ones and zeros that make up the signals are less susceptible to interference than are analog radio waves, which can bounce off buildings and get distorted by power lines. HD radio isn't the first digital format. Satellite radio from Sirius and XM is transmitted digitally as well. The difference is that regular AM and FM stations broadcast HD radio, whereas satellite companies broadcast a separate stable of nationwide stations. You will need to buy a new radio or tuner to get HD radio, but you won't need to pay a monthly subscription fee or buy a new antenna, as you do with satellite radio. HD radio also lets you read song titles on your receiver's display. The first models are designed for automobiles. To find out how the first generation of HD radio sounds, I took a ride in a Volkswagen Passat equipped with a Kenwood radio and a KTC-HR100, a $500 tuner about the size of a paperback book. The KTC-HR100, due out in January, will be the first HD-radio tuner. In March JVC and Panasonic plan to sell radios with the HD tuner built in. There was noticeably less static on WNYC-FM, one of three New York City stations currently broadcasting HD. But I was surprised that the music didn't sound richer in digital than in analog. When I switched to WOR-AM, the difference was more distinct. In analog the host's voice sounded warm, almost soothing, while in digital, it sounded harsher and crackly. There was actually less static in analog than in digital mode. Tom Ray, WOR's director of engineering, explained that the new digital technology is a double-edged sword. Since it transmits audio more accurately, it accentuates both intended sounds, such as a host's voice, and unwanted background noise, like papers being shuffled. I chalk up HD radio's quirks to the kinks of a new technology. Quality will undoubtedly improve as the industry learns to make digital broadcasts sound their best. With fewer than 100 stations broadcasting HD radio, it doesn't make much sense to buy now. But once more stations get on board and prices for receivers fall, HD radio should be music to your ears. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 19:59:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 525 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 03:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 03:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 03:59:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 03:59:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:59:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1098 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.144 Subject: Re: Australian AM-AM Stereo Pioneer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This guy has some GREAT pics of this old tube unit... > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3071068079 That's an interesting and beautifully designed tuner, but it's not _multiplex_ AM Stereo -- it was designed to accomodate _two-station_ AM Stereo, where one station would transmit the Left audio channel and another station would transmit the Right audio channel. That scheme, also used with FM and TV stations, was quite popular in the 1950s and early '60s, but for obvious reasons, it was bound to never take off on a large scale, because of the wastefulness of needing two separate stations to transmit one audio program -- and two separate receiver sections to receive it. It's just like the early experiments with stereo phonograph records, which used two separate tracks and two separate needles to reproduce the Left & Right channels. Tape recording is really the only analog audio medium upon which discrete-channel stereo was practical enough to become a success. (I suppose you could also include the optical audio tracks on movie film, as well.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 20:37:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12613 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 04:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 04:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 04:37:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 04:37:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 04:36:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17e.253a61a6.2d3721b8@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1287 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.159 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn Stereo Was: We welcome KEWI ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: -80 ; IPCR=g-w0,n0,g100 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > I would agree on all accounts with that statement.Had the FCC set the > standard instead of letting the industry set it,we might be lookign at a slightly > different sounding AM broadcast band today. Only slightly, at best. I would wager no change, though. Why? The decision to let the market decide (how very Corporate) was not the only thing that was weighing down the acceptance of AM stereo, both by broadcasters and by listeners. For one, royalty fees already were causing many stations to change formats, or go canned/satellite, and this certainly became an issue by the mid 1980s. So was the FCC's continued decisions marginalizing the AM band, which began in the late '70s. Then there is a continued perception among listeners, broadcasters and manufacturers that AM is "low fidelity", so why bother? AM stereo really wouldn't have changed much, if at all, and it wouldn't matter if a single standard was adopted right off the bat. Don't get me wrong- I truly do love AM stereo, and am quite devoted to it, probably as rabid about it as the most rabid supporter here, but I am realistic- Standardizing AM stereo, much less adopting AM stereo, was the least of AM stereo's problems. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 20:52:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49222 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 04:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 04:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 04:52:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 04:52:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 04:52:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 297 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: Australian AM-AM Stereo Pioneer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Do any of you in Oz know how this scheme worked over there? Was it two separate stations owned by two separate entities, one transmitting "Left" audio, and the other one transmitting "Right" audio, or did one company own both the Left and Right station?? Also, were any portables made? --Tony From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 21:06:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31872 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 05:06:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 05:06:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 05:06:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 05:06:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 05:06:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1403 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.159 Subject: Re: Australian AM-AM Stereo Pioneer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > Do any of you in Oz know how this scheme worked over there? Was it > two separate stations owned by two separate entities, one > transmitting "Left" audio, and the other one transmitting "Right" > audio, or did one company own both the Left and Right station?? > Also, were any portables made? These kind of receivers cropped up in the US, Japan and Australia in the late 1950s and early 1960s to try to capitalize on the emergence of stereo phonographs, already causingt a stir at the time, but was also not a successful medium until 1967 (The Beatles' "Sgt. Pepper" album was the first STEREO record to be certified Gold by the RIAA- Sales of mono and stereo records were tallied seperately then), although experimenting with two-station stereophonic broadcasting actually goes back to the 1920s. It's ironic that these dual-tuned AM stereo receivers are popping up lately from Australia from this period- Not a market I would immediately think of for something innovative for the time. In Australia, it was apparently a project of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, the nation's primary public broadcaster, and not the commercial stations of the time. Being at the time portables were a bit unweildly, I don't think any portables were made. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (your resident AM stereo historian mousie) From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Jan 14 22:27:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41117 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 06:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 06:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 06:27:42 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-103.iquest.net [209.43.58.103]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i0F6Rbjg051303 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:27:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004901c3db30$ade07f30$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:27:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > "Richard_K_Hester" wrote: > I have a question that I hope doesn't stir up too much trouble. I > am new to this group and have spent time reading some of the messages > that have been posted, and I have noted that there is a trend for > stations to turn off their stereo over a period of time, especially > after being bought by a media group. Why is this? As good as stereo > sounds, why would they want to turn it off? If the equipment is > already there and hooked up, why kill it? Surely keeping the exciter > turned on doesn't pull that much more electricity. It seems like many of the recent abandonings of AM Stereo seems is taking place as a result of transmitter replacements (ie: WGN) Most of the new AM Stereo transmitters installed in the mid 80's are now 20 years old. Newer, solid state transmitters are much more energy efficient and 20 years is a long time in the life of an AM transmitter. As WGN said in their reply, stereo exciters aren't being made any more for most new transmitters, and since most music formats have long since moved to FM, I can understand the engineer's reasoning for not wanting to put a 20 year-old exciter in a new transmitter chain. The built-in redundancies in modern transmitters make them more reliable and keeping an old stereo exciter in the loop wouldn't be my first choice if our AM got a new, solid state transmitter. Since most medium/large market AM's are News, News/Talk or Sports, the GM's (remember, general managers are usually from the sales side, not programming and certainly not from engineering) can't understand why they should generate a stereo pilot, maintain stereo studios and keep a stereo studio-transmitter link for Rush, Dr. Laura, Bruce Williams and the like, especially since they are all mono sources. All of this just to play bumper music and spots in stereo (and most agency spots that run on talk radio are in mono). We all know (on this forum) that AM Stereo also greatly improves mono audio, but the bandwidth and compression schemes used by today's Starguide receivers (that most syndicated talk radio is distributed by) means the audio being broadcast by an AM Stereo station is no better than the source. As those 20 year-old transmitters continue to get replaced by new solid-state transmitters, more & more will probably revert to mono. It's a bitter pill to take for those of us with great affection for AM Stereo, but I would say the WGN scenario will play itself out more and more as 80's transmitters get replaced. -Jim- From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 22:56:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46909 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 06:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 06:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 06:56:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20040115065625.92226.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.226] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:56:25 PST Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:56:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004901c3db30$ade07f30$6401a8c0@jimspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.37 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus In New Zealand they (who run the radio here) reckon FM is cool and wont change to AM but AM is outdated and young people wont listen to AM hence the conversion of our government network from AM to FM although its FM Mono. Michael --- Jim Burgan wrote: > > "Richard_K_Hester" wrote: > > I have a question that I hope doesn't stir up too > much trouble. > It seems like many of the recent abandonings of AM > Stereo seems is taking > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 23:06:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48369 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 07:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 07:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 07:06:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 07:06:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:06:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004901c3db30$ade07f30$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 704 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.8 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > As WGN said in their reply, stereo exciters aren't being made any more for > most new transmitters, BE, Nautel, Harris, and Delta all still apparently make, or at least stock, exciters. Oh, and an added note: Expect ALL automakers to stop offering factory- installed AM stereo receivers as of the 2005! Why, you may ask- It's not because of IBOC, but because, if I'm not mistaken, 20-year contracts with Motorola to offer a minimum percentage of all factory- installed radios supporting C-QUAM will expire with the advent of the '05 models. THIS MAY OFFICIALLY END THE AM STEREO ERA! :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (unhappy mousie) From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 23:30:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65075 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 07:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 07:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 07:30:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 07:30:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:30:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040115065625.92226.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1085 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Young people won't listen to AM? http://radio.disney.go.com/mystation/index.html I'm 22, and I pretty much ONLY listen to AM. FM doesn't offer the programming I'd like to hear, and I'm limited on the number of choices for programming I have. With AM, at night, I can choose from over 100 stations (in some cases maybe 150 or more). --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > In New Zealand they (who run the radio here) reckon FM > is cool and wont change to AM but AM is outdated and > young people wont listen to AM hence the conversion of > our government network from AM to FM although its FM > Mono. > > Michael > --- Jim Burgan wrote: > > > "Richard_K_Hester" wrote: > > > I have a question that I hope doesn't stir up too > > much trouble. > > It seems like many of the recent abandonings of AM > > Stereo seems is taking > > > > ===== > Michael&Ross > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 23:50:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85874 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 07:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 07:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 07:50:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20040115075019.2108.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.226] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:50:19 PST Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:50:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.37 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus When I listen to 1ZB (talkback) on 1080AM rather than its simulcast on 89.4FM(The AM sounds better to me especially in wideband sound). I like counties manakau radio on 936AM when it simulcasted 95.8 and could hear it at night when furthur away as well with its 60-80's music but its flipped chinese talk now so its off my list now. I am 41 and always listened to AM even in mono as all our stations are. Michael --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > Young people won't listen to AM? > > http://radio.disney.go.com/mystation/index.html > > I'm 22, and I pretty much ONLY listen to AM. FM > doesn't offer the > programming I'd like to hear, and I'm limited on the > number of choices > for programming I have. With AM, at night, I can > choose from over 100 > stations (in some cases maybe 150 or more). > > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Jan 15 00:35:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59742 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 08:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 08:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.8) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 08:35:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:35:32 -0800 Received: from 68.76.48.38 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:35:32 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:35:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2004 08:35:32.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A01BCC0:01C3DB42] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.8 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.76.48.38] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane When WLCM 1390 (Charlotte, MI) turned off stereo, I called the station to find out what happened. The DJ told me it was the owner's decision as they were trying to extend their coverage. Paul Crane >From: "Richard_K_Hester" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Why is AM STEREO being turned off? >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:04:22 -0000 > > > I have a question that I hope doesn't stir up too much trouble. I >am new to this group and have spent time reading some of the messages >that have been posted, and I have noted that there is a trend for >stations to turn off their stereo over a period of time, especially >after being bought by a media group. Why is this? As good as stereo >sounds, why would they want to turn it off? If the equipment is >already there and hooked up, why kill it? Surely keeping the exciter >turned on doesn't pull that much more electricity. It would seem to >me that an owner of a station would want their station to sound as >good as possible so people would listen to it. That is one of the >reasons when you mention AM to a lot of people they say yuck. They >have never heard a good station on a good radio. They think it all >sounds flat and dead. I hope I haven't "hit the hornets nest with a >baseball bat" but I want to know. What's UP with that?? > _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed ‘net deals — comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 00:44:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70101 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 08:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 08:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 08:44:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 08:44:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:44:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.8 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" wrote: > When WLCM 1390 (Charlotte, MI) turned off stereo, I called the station to > find out what happened. The DJ told me it was the owner's decision as they > were trying to extend their coverage. While this is true of FM (power/bandwidth distribution), it isn't really true with AM. Although this has been previously discussed, I'm sure someone here can explain it better than I. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Jan 15 00:48:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74772 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 08:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 08:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 08:48:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 08:48:24 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68110 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 08:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 08:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 08:43:21 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.144.2066b544 (4246) for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:43:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <144.2066b544.2d37aca5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:43:17 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.36 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn Stereo Was: We welcome KEWI ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Jan 2004 08:48:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 Not to mention that corporate owners were embezzling money from the AM stations to fund their FM stations. By the 1980s, the prize giveaways were different on AM as it was on FM. For instance, in the KIIS aircheck posted on one of the Web sites, the AM station was giving away concert tickets, while the FM station was giving away cash. A 1987 contest on WLS was giving away copies of the five albums nominated for the 1986 Grammy for Album of The Year. Even a few resorted to simulcasting their FM stations in AM Stereo; WQXI 790 simulcasted their FM from August 1988 through the end of 1989 (even with the FM call change to WSTR in late 1989); another dual-Stereo simulcast was WWSW 970 and 94.5 in Pittsburgh (before Clear Channel got a hold of those two stations). Even KSD simulcast on 550 and 93.7 when American Radio Systems owned the stations. The AM is now independently-owned KTRS, while the FM is now yet another (yawn) Clear Channel property. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Jan 15 00:48:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 91817 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 08:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 08:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 08:48:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 08:48:37 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51609 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 08:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 08:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 08:43:21 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.1cc.17c645c4 (4246) for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:43:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1cc.17c645c4.2d37aca3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:43:15 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.35 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Jan 2004 08:48:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 That's still no excuse to turn off AM Stereo, especially when IBOC is a dismal failure. Even the World Radio TV Handbook's 2004 edition says there's no future for terrestrial digital radio in the United States. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Jan 15 00:57:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83050 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 08:57:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 08:57:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.132) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 08:57:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:57:13 -0800 Received: from 68.76.48.38 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:57:13 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:57:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2004 08:57:13.0860 (UTC) FILETIME=[919B3440:01C3DB45] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.132 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.76.48.38] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1037 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I have two F87F-18C868-AD Ford stereos (one from my wife's 1998 Mercury Mountaineer, the other from a salvage yard) and they both sound great and work well. These are the front-runners to the Visteon CD-6 stereos and were made by Pioneer. Neither is in the vehicle the stereo was designed for. These stereos are AM stereo/FM stereo (With RDS)/CD (single)/cassette. As Bill mentioned below, the Visteon aftermarket/"replacement" units are NOT AM stereo. Take it from me who learned the hard way as I have a 1F5F-18C868-A1A sitting on a shelf. I have found the "Premium Sound" stereos are not AM stereo while the "Mach" units are. Paul Crane >From: oldphones@webtv.net >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1037 >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:06:04 -0600 (CST) > > The comments on the Ford// Visteon CD-6 radios are on the mark. >They are touchy about the stereo, especially when reception conditions >are less that ideal. They do use DSP decoding. My employer used to be >an Ford Repair center until Dec 2002. > Also, Factory CD-6's often had AM Stereo, most aftermarket CD-6 >versions DO NOT. Part numbers were similar SO it was / is very >difficult to tell the AM/ST from AM Mono models. Typical part numbers >were like XU3F-18C815-NA , 3L2T-18C815-FA and similar. The older >Ford premium AM Stereo radios seemed more forgiving on their ability to >"lock-in" on an AM Stereo signal. > Bill S. > > > Oldphones@ webtv. net >I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and >wiring items >http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage > _________________________________________________________________ Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software — optimizes dial-up to the max! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 00:59:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97629 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 08:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 08:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 08:59:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 08:59:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:59:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004901c3db30$ade07f30$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 982 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.144 Subject: Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As WGN said in their reply, stereo exciters aren't being made any > more for most new transmitters, Nope -- WGN's engineer never said that, because it's not true. The particular AM Stereo exciter that WGN was using on their main transmitter may have been a decade old, but they could've purchased a brand new one from Harris if they wanted to. Go to Harris' web site and do a search for "C-Quam", or look under the Exciters category, and you'll see a web page for the C-Quam exciter they current sell. Also, just like 1030 WBZ in Boston, 720 WGN's _backup_ transmitter continues to be equipped to broadcast in AM Stereo, so whenever they use it, you'll see a Stereo signal magically reappear from WGN. But the point is, there is no reason why WGN couldn't have equipped their brand new Harris transmitter with a matching brand new C-Quam exciter from Harris. They just chose not to, for other reasons which have already been explained, discussed, and debated here. From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Jan 15 01:03:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86273 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 09:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 09:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 09:03:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:03:43 -0800 Received: from 68.76.48.48 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:03:43 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 04:03:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2004 09:03:43.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[79D2FD10:01C3DB46] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.50 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.76.48.48] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I did mention this fact to the DJ and she told me this was something the station was trying. Well, they've been doing this for almost a year and I periodically check to see if they are back in stereo. With no surprise to me, the signal here in Jackson is no better than it was before. And WLCM has one listener less... Paul Crane >From: "Amy Mousie" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why is AM STEREO being turned off? >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:44:08 -0000 > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" >wrote: > > When WLCM 1390 (Charlotte, MI) turned off stereo, I called the >station to > > find out what happened. The DJ told me it was the owner's decision >as they > > were trying to extend their coverage. > >While this is true of FM (power/bandwidth distribution), it isn't >really true with AM. Although this has been previously discussed, I'm >sure someone here can explain it better than I. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 01:15:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70780 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 09:15:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 09:15:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 09:15:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 09:15:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:15:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1343 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.144 Subject: Re: AM Stereo's digital future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Oh, and an added note: Expect ALL automakers to stop offering > factory-installed AM stereo receivers as of the 2005! Why, you may > ask- It's not because of IBOC, but because, if I'm not mistaken, > 20-year contracts with Motorola to offer a minimum percentage of > all factory-installed radios supporting C-QUAM will expire with > the advent of the '05 models. At least Visteon (OEM radio maker for Ford/Lincoln/Mercury and a few Mazda models) will likely keep it... because with their DSP-based receiver design, including AM Stereo with AMAX-type variable IF bandwidth costs them nothing -- all it requires is a few lines of computer code. Visteon's prototype receivers with built-in IBOC continue to include AM Stereo -- and these AM Stereo/FM Stereo/IBOC receivers are now claimed to be arriving in the early 2005 model year vehicles this summer. What we may _actually_ see within the next few years is a much broader adoption of DSP-based receivers, where the DSP can be programmed to deal with anything you throw at it -- IBOC, AM Stereo, FM Stereo, RDS, XM, Sirius, you name it. Like I've said before, the future of radio is most definitely going to be digital -- but that can mean digital receivers working with analog signals, rather than the fiasco of trying to put digital transmissions onto the AM & FM bands. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 01:48:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22883 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 09:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 09:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 09:48:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 09:48:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:48:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 718 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" > wrote: > > When WLCM 1390 (Charlotte, MI) turned off stereo, I called the > station to > > find out what happened. The DJ told me it was the owner's decision > as they > > were trying to extend their coverage. one phrase (rather than two words): get a construction permit from the FCC to increase power and/or change/use directional antenna pattern. > > While this is true of FM (power/bandwidth distribution), it isn't > really true with AM. Although this has been previously discussed, I'm > sure someone here can explain it better than I. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 02:08:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12891 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 10:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 10:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 10:07:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 10:07:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:07:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3525 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.8 Subject: Re: AM Stereo's digital future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Oh, and an added note: Expect ALL automakers to stop offering > > factory-installed AM stereo receivers as of the 2005! Why, you may > > ask- It's not because of IBOC, but because, if I'm not mistaken, > > 20-year contracts with Motorola to offer a minimum percentage of > > all factory-installed radios supporting C-QUAM will expire with > > the advent of the '05 models. > > At least Visteon (OEM radio maker for Ford/Lincoln/Mercury and a few > Mazda models) will likely keep it... because with their DSP-based > receiver design, including AM Stereo with AMAX-type variable IF > bandwidth costs them nothing -- all it requires is a few lines of > computer code. Visteon's prototype receivers with built-in IBOC > continue to include AM Stereo -- and these AM Stereo/FM Stereo/IBOC > receivers are now claimed to be arriving in the early 2005 model > year vehicles this summer. I really doubt there will be much continued support for C-QUAM, since there's no money in it. Motorola has no incentive anymore to continue offering licenses for C-QUAM now that the patents are technically in the public domain, plus any lack of interest from broadcasters as well as lack of motivation by listeners means there won't be any incentive to support it. > What we may _actually_ see within the next few years is a much > broader adoption of DSP-based receivers, where the DSP can be > programmed to deal with anything you throw at it -- IBOC, AM Stereo, > FM Stereo, RDS, XM, Sirius, you name it. Like I've said before, the > future of radio is most definitely going to be digital -- but that > can mean digital receivers working with analog signals, rather than > the fiasco of trying to put digital transmissions onto the AM & FM > bands. Again, I doubt it, since corporations don't like putting much effort into anything, just so they can maximize profits, and a complete lack of consumer interest in them because it doesn't address what the consumers really want. Broadcasters are wastingt money on IBOC, because they refuse to compete and diversify, and IBOC doesn't address that at all. I mean, look at why XM and Sirius are taking off as they are- While there is no local programming, and most of their channels are canned/voicetracked, they offer the one thing that is grabbing customers---- Not digital-- VARIETY! 100 channels on XM (for example), with playlists some orders of magnitude LARGER than what is offered on corporate broadcasting. This alone has grabbed the hearts and wallets of consumers who are looking for something DIFFERENT from what's broadcast on AM and FM radio. Once broadcasters realize there is no way in Hell they can compete as long as they offer dull, soulless programming, it may be too late for most of them. Broadcast radio, as it stands now, needs to reinvent itself or face utter implosion. IBOC or DSP, it won't matter if NO- ONE listens! Do you know what actually won FM listenership in the late 1970s? Disco parties. Before then, if you had an FM stereo tuner, you were thought of as an audiophile, willing to pay the big bucks. Programming catapulted FM stereo to the top, just as a decade earlier, the Beatles' "Sgt. Pepper" album revitalized an already- waning stereo phonograph market, with the first stereo LP to outsell its mono counterpart. It's the programming, stupid! Give the listeners something worth their time, and they WILL. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Jan 15 05:42:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 276 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 13:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 13:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.116) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 13:42:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 05:42:14 -0800 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:42:14 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:42:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2004 13:42:14.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[62A82210:01C3DB6D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.116 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Unfortunately for them, there's not much that can be done. WLCM runs 5kW daytime and they have to protect against 1400 in Battle Creek. They sign off at night even though they can stay on with reduced power (which barely covers their COL). Lansing (Lansing's Christian Messenger) is their main focus and their signal is strong into that area. During a station visit a few months prior to the shut-off, there was mention of going to FM. I mentioned there are no commercial frequencies available that is going to give them the same coverage the AM station is. The owner also has WLQV 1500 Detroit and WSNL 600 Flint. The Flint station was stereo back when it was WTAC. None of the stations have a website -- which would help make their presence known! Paul Crane >From: "pianoplayer88key" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why is AM STEREO being turned off? >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:48:54 -0000 > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" > > wrote: > > > When WLCM 1390 (Charlotte, MI) turned off stereo, I called the > > station to > > > find out what happened. The DJ told me it was the owner's decision > > as they > > > were trying to extend their coverage. > >one phrase (rather than two words): > >get a construction permit from the FCC to increase power and/or >change/use directional antenna pattern. > > > > > While this is true of FM (power/bandwidth distribution), it isn't > > really true with AM. Although this has been previously discussed, I'm > > sure someone here can explain it better than I. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > _________________________________________________________________ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Thu Jan 15 07:17:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28415 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 15:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 15:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.173) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 15:17:11 -0000 Received: from user-1623.l4a.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.246.87] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ah9F8-0002Ce-M4 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:17:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:17:11 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.173 From: Philip de Cadenet Reply-To: phil@transmittersrus.com Subject: Visteon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Kevin, I had a quick search of Visteon's site after you mentioned it in a previous post. I could not find any DIN sized products which IMO are far more suited to the after market. Would you happen to know if they in fact do produce something in this area with AMS? I'm aware Sony and Becker still produce DIN radio's with AMS. Thanks -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From mark_608@hotmail.com Thu Jan 15 07:35:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93880 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 15:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 15:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.14) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 15:35:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:35:42 -0800 Received: from 136.2.1.101 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:35:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:35:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2004 15:35:42.0133 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C0C2650:01C3DB7D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.17.14 From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [136.2.1.101] Subject: {AMSF} Chris Cuff:Delco Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Chris(or anyone who might know :) ): I have a Delco radio that I would like to convert to AM$. Is there some way to tell if it is a good candidate? This one is from a Pontiac, has a multiband graphic EQ with cassette player. The 6 presets are arranged vertically instead of the more common horizontal arrangement. The display is kind of amber with a stripe of red across where the numbers are, and the numbers are red. I am not sure what year this is from, but the unit has "16178122 BBCZ" printed on it with "PROD ID:2001" as well..maybe means it is from a 2001 vehicle? Thanks for any insight you can offer! Mark _________________________________________________________________ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Jan 15 07:44:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51980 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 15:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 15:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 15:44:49 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-108.iquest.net [209.43.58.108]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i0FFijME057845 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:44:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003801c3db7e$82193c40$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:44:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> : > > As WGN said in their reply, stereo exciters aren't being made any > > more for most new transmitters, > To which Kevin T replied: > Nope -- WGN's engineer never said that, because it's not true. > The particular AM Stereo exciter that WGN was using on their main > transmitter may have been a decade old, but they could've purchased a > brand new one from Harris if they wanted to. Go to Harris' web site > and do a search for "C-Quam", or look under the Exciters category, > and you'll see a web page for the C-Quam exciter they current sell. OK... You're right, but (in my mind) it's implied in this response that a new C-Quam exciter is not available for the Harris 3DX50: > " >I don't know why other stations decided not to use stereo but I >know in our case I would have been forced to use an AM stereo >exciter that was manufactured a decade ago in place of the >manufacturer provided redundant exciter system that comes with the >transmitter. Since we do not play music and there are very few AM >stereo radios out there we opted for the higher performance and >reliability of the standard exciter system that comes with >the transmitter. I was just thinking that if they would be 'forced' to use a 10 year old stereo exciter, it must mean that Harris doesn't manufacture an exciter for the 3DX50. I guess I shouldn't have 'assumed'. So does that mean that WGN have purchased a new C-Quam stereo exciter for the 3DX50, and elected not too? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 07:55:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32362 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 15:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 15:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 15:55:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 15:54:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:54:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 688 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Powell's logic (or complete lack thereof) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com... Mr. Powell says radio needs to go digital, even though people don't care whether it's analog or digital... but then again, that also seems to be the FCC's mentality when it comes to TV. Powell on Radio FCC Chairman Michael Powell says radio needs to go digital to survive. Speaking before the National Press Club, Powell reiterated what he said last week at the Consumer Electronic Show that terrestrial radio needs to adopt HD Radio technology to compete in the future. The younger generation growing up today doesn't distinguish between digital and analog, he said, to them it's all media, and they expect to be able to use it in different ways. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 08:07:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5845 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 16:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 16:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 16:07:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 16:07:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:07:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003801c3db7e$82193c40$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 905 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > So does that mean that WGN have purchased a new C-Quam > stereo exciter for the 3DX50, and elected not too? Correct. But what I wonder is, did Harris specifically discourage WGN from equipping their new transmitter for AM Stereo? Because how else would they know that out of the forty 3DX50 transmitters in use today, none are set up for AM Stereo? Perhaps one of the engineers here should do a "test"... call up Harris and express interest in the 3DX50 transmitter... then inquire about its suitability for AM Stereo, and see what their response is. It wouldn't be the first time that a company discourages customers from buying its own products... just look at Radio Shack. Ask about any cable or connector and the sales-droid will always recommend the most expensive gold-plated version, even when they know that the regular version will work just fine and cost half as much. From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Jan 15 08:50:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52061 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 16:50:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 16:50:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 16:50:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:50:45 -0800 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:50:45 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:50:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2004 16:50:45.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8362550:01C3DB87] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.21 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane >From: "Kevin T." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:07:04 -0000 > >It wouldn't be the first time that a company discourages customers >from buying its own products... just look at Radio Shack. Ask about >any cable or connector and the sales-droid will always recommend the >most expensive gold-plated version, even when they know that the >regular version will work just fine and cost half as much. > > You actually talk to the sales-droids... I usually walk by the counter and try to pretend they are not there. It's rare I find one who can point to what I'm after. I even had one tell me the AM Loop Antenna was a waste of money!!! I bought it anyway. Paul Crane _________________________________________________________________ High-speed users—be more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jan 15 09:06:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9595 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 17:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 17:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 17:06:54 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:06:53 -0700 Message-ID: <002d01c3db89$f9d7d560$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:06:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Ah, the loop :( In December I searched many many stores in Utah. Surprisingly, every sales droid knew exactly what I was talking about and nobody had one. They have ability to search every store in the region to see which ones have one......and no one did. I asked them "Even though it's a discontinued item? They said "yeah...this system actually searches the store's inventory itself." Even had my wife search every store in the Houston metro when she was down there for the holidays to try to find me one. Nobody had 'em. I guess they're all gone :( :( BTW....I almost had her take my Aiwa recording AM Stereo walkman with her, but from what I have heard, there are very few if any at all AM Stereo stations in Houston. Am I right? I thought I remembered JSG posting something about that....and he's IN Houston. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Crane" To: Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:50 AM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jan 15 09:22:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55316 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 17:22:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 17:22:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 17:22:19 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.166]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:28:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c3db8b$d76407e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:20:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff:Delco Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Is it a Theftlock radio? Or does it have a blinking red LED on the face (unmarked- blinks when the car is off and the key is removed)?? Standard Delcos before Theftlock are among the easiest of all radios to convert. If it has theftlock, the conversion is a bit different. I only did one T-lock radio, and it is out on loan to a PD. (I had to rush it through, and didn't get a chance to photo it) CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sundquist From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 09:37:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36872 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 17:37:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 17:37:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 17:37:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 17:36:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:36:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 837 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.8 Subject: Re: Powell's logic (or complete lack thereof) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > From www.radioworld.com... Mr. Powell says radio needs to go digital, > even though people don't care whether it's analog or digital... but > then again, that also seems to be the FCC's mentality when it comes > to TV. It's all about the money, and not from the consumer- The industry hasn't seriously cared about the consumer for years. Hell, most corporations don't give much of a damn about consumers, or they would be paying their employees decent wages or hiring new employees- They're only interested in pleasing their shareholders, and that's all that matters. Also, this is a fine example from our regulators, who still insist that this be the ONLY industrialized nation to still regulate vocabulary over broadcast media! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bjackson@indyradio.com Thu Jan 15 10:07:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39861 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 18:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 18:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 18:07:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 18:05:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:05:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004901c3db30$ade07f30$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 905 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.108.210.98 Subject: Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > It seems like many of the recent abandonings of AM Stereo seems is taking > place as a result of transmitter replacements (ie: WGN) Most of the new AM > Stereo transmitters installed in the mid 80's are now 20 years old. Newer, > solid state transmitters are much more energy efficient and 20 years is a > long time in the life of an AM transmitter. * Snip * Jim, Your message reminded me of a question I wanted to ask you since you're doing some engineering for Keith over at Q-Mix...Since the AM (WTRE) is still running country format, why did Keith kill the stereo on it? I have an old Tree Country bumper sticker that says "In Stereo!" on it...Is the exciter still over in the Greensburg building? Any chance of talking Keith into turning it back on? - Brad Jackson - Afternoon Drive/Imaging - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 10:10:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21179 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 18:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 18:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 18:10:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 18:09:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:08:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 696 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.8 Subject: Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > So does that mean that WGN have purchased a new C-Quam > > stereo exciter for the 3DX50, and elected not too? > > Correct. But what I wonder is, did Harris specifically discourage WGN > from equipping their new transmitter for AM Stereo? Because how else > would they know that out of the forty 3DX50 transmitters in use today, > none are set up for AM Stereo? One word: IBOC. There's no money, as far as Harris is concerned, to sell C-QUAM exciters, but plenty, as in kickbacks, if they sell IBOC, since it's this particular transmitter they're pushing with IBOC, if I recall. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From brian60420@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 12:29:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27778 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 20:29:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 20:29:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60601.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.221) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 20:29:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20040115202912.50744.qmail@web60601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.43.195.204] by web60601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:29:12 PST Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:29:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.221 From: brian60420 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since WGN is the #1 rated station in Chicago again, they can do whatever they want. Go mono, go stereo, who cares? People care more about the Cubs play-by-play than they do about how the medium is delivered. And the sad part is, we, the technologically advanced listers, don't count for anything. There's not enough of us to make a dent. And when they say, ".....our programming is news, talk and sports, why do we need to be in stereo?", I would refer to WCKG-FM, who broadcasts news, talk and sports in stereo. What's your point, Mr. Engineer? The point is, if you're big and #1, a Harris 3DX50 in mono or stereo or SSB or digital won't sway the public's listening habits. It's only when the programming is uninteresting (ex. Cubs loose the play-offs) or they can't be heard (transmitter down)will they listen to US. I do remember a time when there were 6+ AM Stereo stations here. The Bulls played basketball in stereo! One mic on each end of the court. It was like you were "there"! Whatever happened to forward thinking and innovation? The future? If it was good enough in 1984, why is it no good now? It seems that Part 15's and internet webcasting hold the key. brian >Amy Mousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > So does that mean that WGN have purchased a new C-Quam > > stereo exciter for the 3DX50, and elected not too? > > Correct. But what I wonder is, did Harris specifically discourage WGN > from equipping their new transmitter for AM Stereo? Because how else > would they know that out of the forty 3DX50 transmitters in use today, > none are set up for AM Stereo? >One word: IBOC. >There's no money, as far as Harris is concerned, to sell C-QUAM >exciters, but plenty, as in kickbacks, if they sell IBOC, since it's >this particular transmitter they're pushing with IBOC, if I recall. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougharding@mindspring.com Thu Jan 15 12:30:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99410 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 20:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 20:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 20:30:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 20:28:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:28:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 361 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tampa Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I have never tried to listen to them. What do they broadcast? > > Do you ever listen to 810 or 1540 out of the Bahamas? > > > Donn Tillman > St Petersburg > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find out everything you need to know about Las Vegas here for that getaway. > http://special.msn.com/msnbc/vivalasvegas.armx From mark_608@hotmail.com Thu Jan 15 12:58:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96704 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 20:58:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 20:58:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 20:58:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:58:23 -0800 Received: from 136.2.1.101 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:58:23 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:58:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2004 20:58:23.0720 (UTC) FILETIME=[5073DE80:01C3DBAA] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.17.79 From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [136.2.1.101] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff:Delco Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 It is indeed a Theftlock, however the Theftlock has never been activated(probably doesn't make a difference)... Mark >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff:Delco Radio >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:20:14 -0500 > >Is it a Theftlock radio? Or does it have a blinking red LED on the face >(unmarked- blinks when the car is off and the key is removed)?? >Standard Delcos before Theftlock are among the easiest of all radios to >convert. >If it has theftlock, the conversion is a bit different. I only did one >T-lock radio, and it is out on loan to a PD. (I had to rush it through, and >didn't get a chance to photo it) >CC >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark Sundquist > _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Jan 15 14:13:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16556 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 22:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 22:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 22:05:27 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.112.2d91fec5 (30950) for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:04:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <112.2d91fec5.2d38687c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:04:44 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.35 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >" > >I don't know why other stations decided not to use stereo but I > >know in our case I would have been forced to use an AM stereo > >exciter that was manufactured a decade ago in place of the > >manufacturer provided redundant exciter system that comes with the > >transmitter. Since we do not play music and there are very few AM > >stereo radios out there we opted for the higher performance and > >reliability of the standard exciter system that comes with > >the transmitter. > jimbo@burgan.net writes: > I was just thinking that if they would be 'forced' to use a 10 year old > stereo exciter, it must mean that Harris doesn't manufacture an exciter f= or > the 3DX50. I guess I shouldn't have 'assumed'. > So does that mean that WGN have purchased a new C-Quam stereo > exciter for the 3DX50, and elected not too? >=20 >=20 Well looking at the Harris website [harris.com],Harris still sells a C-Quam= =20 exciter that can be used for the Harris DX line and Gates line of transmitt= ers. Besides just about any exciter will work with just about any transmitter.Tw= o=20 basic key points to look at when trying to determine if an exciter will wor= k=20 with a particular transmitter...1.the frequency that the exciter produces [= does=20 the transmitter require an input frequency of 2x,4x or 6x the operating=20 frequency and 2. Does the exciter have enough RF output to give sufficient = drive to=20 operate the transmitter.If your exciter of whatever name,brand and make=20 passes those two test with your transmitter of whatever name,brand and make= ...plug=20 it in and turn it on. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Thu Jan 15 14:41:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61063 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 22:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 22:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail3.act.csiro.au) (152.83.2.14) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 22:41:14 -0000 Received: from csiromail7.act.csiro.au (unknown [152.83.2.18]) by localhost.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430721385ED for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from csiromail7.act.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.act.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0CF7352E for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:36:55 +1100 (EST) Received: from csiromail1.vic.csiro.au (csiromail1.vic.csiro.au [138.194.2.12]) by csiromail7.act.csiro.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A14E7352D for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:36:55 +1100 (EST) Received: from EXVIC3-MEL.vic.csiro.au (exvic3-mel.vic.csiro.au [138.194.3.54]) by csiromail1.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3FDB138008 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:41:07 +1100 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:41:07 +1100 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Message-ID: <09C09C0AED0518419ED09E022D3B341432D734@exvic3-mel.vic.csiro.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: Australian AM-AM Stereo Pioneer Thread-Index: AcPbI2cIk5oSLLS+RimRLneJ/EtvJAAlCGYg To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.83.2.14 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Australian AM-AM Stereo Pioneer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933 -----Original Message----- From: Anthony [mailto:bossmsx2@yahoo.com] Do any of you in Oz know how this scheme worked over there? Was it=20 two separate stations owned by two separate entities, one=20 transmitting "Left" audio, and the other one transmitting "Right"=20 audio, or did one company own both the Left and Right station?? Also, were any portables made? Yes Tony. And it was very experimentally done by two separate independent = stations. For memory 3KZ (owned by the Labor Party - at least the Trades Hall Council= ) and 3DB (owned by The Herald-Sun whose CEO at the time (Sir Keith) was Ru= pert's father). Strange bedfellows indeed ... Now both stations are on the FM band. Both went broke paying the ABA the r= idiculous licence auction amount to migrate. And both are controlled by Cl= ear Channel. They used to be damn good Victorian stations. Ian From dav259@csiro.au Thu Jan 15 14:52:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58988 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 22:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 22:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 22:52:19 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0FMmP87018125 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:48:28 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:48:25 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Thanks Michael! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Michael and Ross wrote: > When I listen to 1ZB (talkback) on 1080AM rather than > its simulcast on 89.4FM(The AM sounds better to me > especially in wideband sound). > I like counties manakau radio on 936AM when it > simulcasted 95.8 and could hear it at night when > furthur away as well with its 60-80's music but its > flipped chinese talk now so its off my list now. > I am 41 and always listened to AM even in mono as all > our stations are. Michael You truly are one of the good guys! I find it hard to understand how you have embraced AMS when NZ radio never seriously had it. Your enthusiasm and constructive comments to this list have been profound. You are a person who continually exudes a love of good radio. *Thanks* for all you do here - and on aus.radio.broadcast and that (funny) NZ yahoo! list (I wish I had more time to read that stuff). Keep punching! Radio NZ is AMS-ready. Anything is possible! Ian Melbourne From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Jan 15 15:22:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92509 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 23:22:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 23:22:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 23:22:46 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.180.24bb8226 (30950) for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:22:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <180.24bb8226.2d387ab8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:22:32 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.8 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/14/04 3:22:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, stodd@vippn.co= m=20 writes: > I've just submitted my comments on LPAM. Bob Carter- you said you=20 > filed yours, but they didn't show up in the list of those filed. You=20 > might want to try again. Rev. Chrysafis- you forgot to mention=20 > anything about a stereo preference. Anyone else interested in LPAM=20 > and stereo, get your comments in. It's RM-10803. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 My comments are posted...[3 pages worth]...but under my engineering company= =20 name..and not my personal name. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 15:23:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96063 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 23:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 23:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 23:23:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20040115232302.7833.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:23:02 PST Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:23:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.70 From: "John P." Subject: Talk stations should be AM Stereo too! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Jim said: "...All of this just to play bumper music and spots in stereo (and most agency spots that run on talk radio are in mono)." I'm very happy to report that listening to WJR today on the way home that EVERY SINGLE COMMERCIAL WAS IN STEREO !! As an advertiser, I would be thrilled that my commercials on WJR-AM stereo sound BETTER than the FM mono junk that don't sound lifelike at all. In addtion to the commercials, Mitch Albom had a gameshow with stereo musical clues and stereo traffic bumper music! WJR sounds great, and it's too bad other AM stations don't take pride in playing stereo AM audio. It's a natural for all Radio Disney stations to be AM Stereo as a majority of the 'soccer moms' have Chrysler vans with stereo am radios! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jan 15 15:38:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13373 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 23:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 23:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 23:38:18 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.162]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:37:55 -0700 To: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:39:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20040115232302.7833.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Talk stations should be AM Stereo too! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I sure with KWDZ 910 in Salt Lake City was. They're not and I'm sure have no plans to be. Yet when 910 was KALL, they were one of the pioneer c-quam stations in Salt Lake, and they were VERY proud of it! Til the late 90s when CC bought it, and of course shut it off. Now they're Radio Disney in craptacular mono. And if you THINK you have soccer moms over there, try UTAH. All those mormons (no offense) each of them having 10 kids....EVERYONE has Chrysler mini-vans! Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: John P. [mailto:toledohamradio@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:23 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Talk stations should be AM Stereo too! It's a natural for all Radio Disney stations to be AM Stereo as a majority of the 'soccer moms' have Chrysler vans with stereo am radios! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rkhester@up-link.net Thu Jan 15 15:50:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19162 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 23:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 23:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 23:50:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2004 23:49:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:49:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 377 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 67.64.11.59 Subject: am stereo is it still worth it? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 HI, we will be taking over KEWI. After reading all this, in everyones opinion, do you REALLY think it would be a reasonable venture for us to switch to stereo or just a good wide banded mono seeing what all has been said? This station will play a lot of music, one of the few not all news talk. I still say yes but I am biased very heavily towards it "of course". From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Jan 15 16:24:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47199 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 00:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 00:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 00:24:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:24:12 -0800 Received: from 216.120.170.5 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:24:11 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:24:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2004 00:24:12.0251 (UTC) FILETIME=[10C02AB0:01C3DBC7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.48 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [216.120.170.5] Subject: WXLA 1180 possible power increase X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane From today's www.michiguide.com: "WXLA-AM 1180 Dimondale has applied to the FCC for an increase in its daytime power to 10,000 watts from its currently licensed 1,000. The station has also applied to add critical hours coverage at 2,000 watts. " I hope this happens as WXLA is AM stereo! Fair signal here in Jackson, MI. Their format is urban -- not a favorite of mine but they do sound good. Paul Crane _________________________________________________________________ Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software — optimizes dial-up to the max! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1 From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Jan 15 16:56:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22274 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 00:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 00:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.110) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 00:56:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:56:02 -0800 Received: from 172.135.94.151 by bay7-dav6.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:56:02 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:55:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2004 00:56:02.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[8347F140:01C3DBCB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.110 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.94.151] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: >It wouldn't be the first time that a company discourages customers from buying its own products... just look at Radio Shack. Ah, yes...The Sales-Droids... You would think that somebody that works at a place called Radio Shack would know something...ANYTHING about radio! A while back, I went in asking about Short Wave radios. Well the Rat Shack sales-droid informed me that short-wave and AM radio has been replaced by XM Satellite radio! Nevermind the fact that he was standing with the Grundig display right in front of him! Kevin From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 17:20:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80434 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 01:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 01:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 01:20:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2004 01:20:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:20:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: SRF-A10 vs. SRF-A1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Just got my Sony SRF-A10 in the mail today..The Aussie version of the SRF-A1..Yes there are differences...Still don't have the service manual so I can't say what the internal differences are, but as to outside differences, well, the lettering and decorative lines, which on the SRF-A1 are in aqua, are actually a very attractive lavender/purple on the A10...Will post pictures eventually, and perhaps even airchecks if all goes well and I can make it to Bartow this weekend. -Tony From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Jan 15 17:29:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46311 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 01:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 01:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 01:29:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:29:39 -0800 Received: from 172.135.94.151 by bay7-dav26.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:29:39 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:28:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2004 01:29:39.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[357CFCD0:01C3DBD0] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.83 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.94.151] Subject: ZNS Radio Bahamas Was: Tampa Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 douglasharding wrote: > I have never tried to listen to them. What do they broadcast? ZNS is the government owned broadcaster in the Bahamas. 1540 is ZNS-1 in Nassau, New Providence 1240 is ZNS-2 in Nassau, New Providence 810 is ZNS-3 in Freeport, Grand Bahama ZNS-2 is called "Inspiration 1240" and is all religious. ZNS 1 & 2 carries local news and sports events, talk -- and even BBC news. In addition to local, religious, and Caribbean music, you can also hear oldies and jazz. You can listen to ZNS-1 1540 live here: http://www.znsbahamas.com/stream/1540.m3u Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 17:37:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72808 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 01:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 01:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 01:37:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2004 01:37:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:37:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 911 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.8 Subject: Re: am stereo is it still worth it? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Richard_K_Hester" wrote: > HI, we will be taking over KEWI. After reading all this, in > everyones opinion, do you REALLY think it would be a reasonable > venture for us to switch to stereo or just a good wide banded mono > seeing what all has been said? This station will play a lot of music, > one of the few not all news talk. I still say yes but I am biased > very heavily towards it "of course". Short answer: Yes. At least 10-15% of your listening audience has C-QUAM, in both newer and older cars. AM stereo (and the effort to go through with it) will produce a better signal even for the majority mono receivers. You want it, right? ;) Compared to the "Big Buzz", it's very inexpensive to convert to stereo. My opinion: To Hell with Detroit, to Hell with NAB, to Hell with IBOC- Go for it! DO IT! GO STEREO! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 18:02:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86827 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 02:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 02:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 02:02:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2004 02:02:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:02:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2714 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.145 Subject: Nissan AM Stereo radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics For years, I have been looking for a car radio with Expanded Band tuning and AM Stereo, in a single-DIN (half-height) size... and now I finally have one: http://i24.ebayimg.com/01/i/01/13/d4/15_1.JPG Made by Clarion for Nissan's premium Bose audio system in the early- to mid-'90s, this model features AM tuning from 530 to 1710 kHz as well as AM Stereo with selectable bandwidth (via a small "AM ST" button, at the far right of the faceplate). It has a green LED which lights up brightly to indicate that wide-bandwidth AM Stereo mode is selected, as well as an additional "ST" LED to indicate when an AM Stereo station is being received. Even with a short whip antenna in my basement, the sensitivity is excellent -- it easily receives even marginal-strength signals in Stereo mode, and even in wideband mode, the selectivity is very good; even the strongest signals will not "take over" adjacent channels, unlike some wideband AM tuners. In wide-bandwidth mode, its audio response extends up to about 8 kHz, with a deep notch at 10 kHz to eliminate any carrier whistles. In narrow-bandwidth mode (mono only), the response drops down to about 5 kHz, which still sounds more crisp and clear than many "ordinary" car radios on AM. It appears to have proper NRSC de-emphasis as well, so the sound is rich and well-balanced. Thus, like a number of OEM car radios, it would meet all the AMAX specs except for noise blanking. This radio sounds like it uses the MC13020 C-Quam decoder, as it has neither variable bandwidth nor stereo "blend"... you either get full stereo or plain mono, although in marginal signal conditions you can quickly toggle the "AM ST" button to "nudge" it into AM Stereo mode. If you'd like to find one of these radios for yourself, it's Clarion model no. PP-9528L, although it also has the model number "CK549" printed on the cassette door. Also look for the BOSE logo on the cassette door, and of course the small "AM ST" button within the dispay panel on the right side (see the photo linked above). My radio came out of a 1991 Nissan 300ZX, so it seems Nissan was using radios with Expanded Band tuning even before that became required in 1993. As a standard single-DIN size radio, it can fit into just about any car ever made. If you look around on the Internet, a plug-in wiring harness is available, as well as an adapter to convert a standard antenna to Nissan's non-standard dual-pin antenna jack. And with this model, the only catch is that the speaker amplifier is not built-in -- you only get line-level outputs, so you will need an external amplifier. However, this is the first car radio I've seen with a built-in _cooling fan_! From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Jan 15 18:15:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2557 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 02:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 02:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 02:15:57 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-25.iquest.net [209.43.58.25]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i0G2FrNV079242 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:15:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001e01c3dbd6$ad9f04f0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:15:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Your message reminded me of a question I wanted to ask you since > you're doing some engineering for Keith over at Q-Mix...Since the AM > (WTRE) is still running country format, why did Keith kill the stereo > on it? I have an old Tree Country bumper sticker that says "In > Stereo!" on it...Is the exciter still over in the Greensburg building? > Any chance of talking Keith into turning it back on? Bob Hawkins is the CE for WTRE and he happens to be the one who put together the award-winning airchain for WZZB (one of the best sounding AM stereos in America). But as for WTRE.... I believe the WGN scenario played itself out there a couple of years ago. They replaced the old transmitter and phasors with a new solid state transmitter and at that time I believe he (Keith) had decided to flip WTRE to News/Talk. It was only after he found out that he couldn't get mainstay syndicated talk programming (he was too close to WCSI and they wouldn't sign a release) that he decided to keep a music format, but by then the transmitter had been replaced.... without a C-Quam exciter. The old transmitter (including the stereo exciter) are gone. I would guess he sold them since they already had a working backup transmitter. What do you care, anyway? You can't pick up that 250 watt daytimer down there in Dixieland..... From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Jan 15 18:17:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26158 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 02:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 02:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 02:17:45 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.12f.3980282e (30950) for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:17:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12f.3980282e.2d38a3a0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:17:04 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.163 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/15/04 8:36:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 possumhunter@netzero.net writes: > Well the Rat Shack > sales-droid informed me that short-wave and AM radio has been replaced by= XM > Satellite radio! Nevermind the fact that he was standing with the Grundig > display right in front of him! >=20 That reminds me of when I went into Radio Shack to pick up some connectors= =20 that I needed to connect my computer to my interface which is for interfaci= ng an=20 amatuer radio repeater to the internet for radio to Voice Over IP linking=20 systems [fellow hams,check out echolink..www.echolink.org].I went in and al= ready=20 had the Radio Shack catalog numbers in hand...all I wanted was for the sale= s=20 droid to save me some time..take me to where the parts were so I could get = in=20 and out of the store.Well what a mistake THAT was.I was told by the droid t= hat=20 Radio Shack NEVER carried those parts and didnt have anything remotely like= =20 what I needed! lol ...mind you now I had cat. numbers in hand fresh from th= eir=20 website. Well a little digging in the parts drawer and yanking some other needed=20 connectors off of the shelve..I returned to counter to pay for my connector= s...the=20 exact ones I was looking for.The sale droid-mindless nome asked me did I fi= nd=20 what I needed.Hehehe...mistake on his part to ask me that.I had a come back= =20 something like..."Yes I found exactly what I was looking for...and here loo= k!..I=20 found the parts that Radio Shack supposely does not and has never carried=20 before",saying that with a smirk on my face,the mindless-nome didnt say ano= ther=20 word except to say have a nice evening...and I was checked out of there in = a=20 super hurry.Needless to say,I havent seen that particular droid since. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Jan 15 18:22:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25944 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 02:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 02:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 02:22:02 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-25.iquest.net [209.43.58.25]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i0G2LxE2080314 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:22:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002701c3dbd7$8736c130$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20040115202912.50744.qmail@web60601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:21:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > I do remember a time when there were 6+ AM Stereo stations here. > The Bulls played basketball in stereo! One mic on each end of the > court. It was like you were "there"! Whatever happened to forward > thinking and innovation? The future? If it was good enough in 1984, > why is it no good now? The Indianapolis Colts radio-network is in full stereo.. They have crowd mics set-up for great spatial ambience. From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Jan 15 18:44:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95157 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 02:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 02:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 02:44:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:44:16 -0800 Received: from 172.135.94.151 by bay7-dav8.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:44:15 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <12f.3980282e.2d38a3a0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:43:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2004 02:44:16.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1F75400:01C3DBDA] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.112 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.94.151] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: >Yes I found exactly what I was looking for...and here look!..I found the parts that Radio Shack supposedly does not and has never carried before", If you want to have some REAL fun with a sales-droid, show up with a blown "Realistic Lifetime" vacuum tube wanting it replaced under its lifetime warranty! Yes, Radio Shack will still replace the tube for FREE if it is still available, but try to find a droid that even knows what a tube is, or even that Realistic was a Rat Shack brand! Anyway, I had LOTS of fun with that fried 50C5, and my new tube is on the way. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Jan 15 19:01:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86418 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 03:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 03:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 03:01:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:01:22 -0800 Received: from 172.135.94.151 by bay7-dav26.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:01:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:00:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2004 03:01:22.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[059EE2A0:01C3DBDD] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.83 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.94.151] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Visteon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Philip de Cadenet wrote: > I'm aware Sony and Becker still produce DIN radio's with AMS. What model (s) does Becker produce with AM Stereo? Kevin From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Thu Jan 15 19:07:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77304 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 03:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 03:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail2.act.csiro.au) (152.83.2.13) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 03:07:30 -0000 Received: from csiromail7.act.csiro.au (unknown [152.83.2.18]) by localhost.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22133138B02 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:07:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from csiromail7.act.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.act.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3FF7352E for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:03:09 +1100 (EST) Received: from csiromail1.vic.csiro.au (csiromail1.vic.csiro.au [138.194.2.12]) by csiromail7.act.csiro.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 88FB17352C for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:03:09 +1100 (EST) Received: from EXVIC3-MEL.vic.csiro.au (exvic3-mel.vic.csiro.au [138.194.3.54]) by csiromail1.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3DD138002 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:07:23 +1100 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:07:23 +1100 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Message-ID: <09C09C0AED0518419ED09E022D3B341432D497@exvic3-mel.vic.csiro.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} SRF-A10 vs. SRF-A1 Thread-Index: AcPbzvYZtnzpoVR6SEC3WFOOrvOf7wAClkpw To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.83.2.13 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} SRF-A10 vs. SRF-A1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933 -----Original Message----- From: Anthony [mailto:bossmsx2@yahoo.com] Just got my Sony SRF-A10 in the mail today..The Aussie version of the=20 SRF-A1..Yes there are differences... Congrats Tony! Was interesting to see the bidding history. You played a v= ery wicked clever game and always stayed one step ahead of the pack. T'was= an exciting last 5 minutes - almost 1:00 am in Miami - We Aussies had hope= d you'd fallen asleep. :) I learnt heaps during that auction - and thanks to Michael of Wyoming didn'= t breach any unwritten etiquette. And with the help of Richard W and Aukla= nd Michael finally understand how eBay works.=20 Hope you enjoy hearing WBF with it! From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Thu Jan 15 19:13:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41708 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 03:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 03:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 03:13:54 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8244070C71 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B35BF252B for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040115222144.00ad5650@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:23:25 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Car Radio 93 KHJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey. How or where can I find unscoped airchecks of this station during it's stereo days (1984/86)? I only have the scoped one from the AMStereoRadio FTP site. Thanks, John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 20:19:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98347 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 04:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 04:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 04:19:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20040116041937.50446.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:19:37 PST Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:19:37 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.144 From: "John P." Subject: KEWI AM Stereo - you bet! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Richard_K_Hester"writes: Subject: am stereo is it still worth it? (KEWI) Richard, There are still a lot of AM Stereo radios out there in circulation, so there's no reason not to have STEREO AM audio from your station, particularly if you're going to have a MUSIC format! Go for it! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 21:34:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20273 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 05:34:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 05:34:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 05:34:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2004 05:34:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:34:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040115222144.00ad5650@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 404 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: Car Radio 93 KHJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > How or where can I find unscoped airchecks of this station during > it's stereo days (1984/86)? I have a couple of unscoped airchecks from the '84 Olympics era...One with Jeff Hillery, the other with Kim Amadon, but they were both recorded in Mono...Not sure if that interests you, or if you're specifically looking for them to be in glorious Kahn AM Stereo, which I cannot furnish =(. --Tony From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 23:17:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65792 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 07:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 07:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 07:17:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2004 07:17:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:17:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 856 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.145 Subject: RCA Hi-Fi AM tuner audio sample X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here is an audio sample of the RCA tuner with "AM Hi-Fi" that I discussed earlier... this is a recording of the tuner's audio output connected directly to my computer's input, with no equalization or other trickery applied. What you hear is what you get! ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/rca-hifi.mp3 On the transmitter side, I was using a CRL AM Stereo audio chain with NRSC pre-emphasis and was transmitting in C-Quam AM Stereo (although obviously this AM mono tuner doesn't take advantage of that). The RCA is definitely one of the cleanest-sounding AM mono tuners I've heard -- in the same league as the G.E. Superadio III. And as Douglas B. pointed out, there's another one of these gems on eBay right now, although unfortunately this one seems to be in need of repair: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3071733455 From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jan 16 00:30:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6227 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 08:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 08:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 08:30:31 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.1]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:36:03 -0500 Message-ID: <006301c3dc0a$a09c7e20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:27:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Transmitter kits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Hi All I have completed a long standing project of making the Alf lite available in kit form- You build it yourself. Now all I need are a few people that want to make one. I am making 10 available in kit form for now, at a set price of $75.00 each. They should not pose any build problems for anyone able to look at pictures and solder. I tried to make these as easy as possible to make. These will come with a standard crystal- at this price, I cannot include a custom oscillator, but you can add one anytime. These will also include the ability to use a standard AC adapter- most anything will work, as long as it has an unloaded voltage of 12 to 18 volts. Anyone interested, let me know- Chris From dav259@csiro.au Fri Jan 16 00:34:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29428 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 08:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 08:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 08:34:38 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0G8YD87014549; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:34:14 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:34:13 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: , , Jeff Chatfield - 3AK Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: The end of "3AK" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Melbourne's 3AK is to be called 1116 SEN (Sports Entertainment Network) from midnight on Sunday. A tragedy that this callsign from the early 30s is to be put to rest. Will the new sport-talk format work? Maybe to start with due to novelty value. And there's going to be heaps of Victorian ex-footy player "stars" handling the lineup. But how they can talk sport 24/7 without broadcast rights to the footy, cricket, racing, or tennis is beyond me. I'll give it three months - or maybe they'll last till half way through the footy season. 3AW, 3LO, and Tripple M should see to that. The end of 3AK has been a professional triumph. All normal programming ceased in early December when the annual contracts ran out. Since then we've heard a pot pouri of former Melbourne announcers doing casual shifts. Some talk sessions - some all music - and some a combo of both. And all of it live to air. I haven't heard 3AK sound so good in ages. And many of the listeners agree. They've been ringing in in their droves bemoaning this change to sport. I'm sure they really rate better than the 1.2% Neilsen Ratings awards to them. And the best part has been the stereo. All of the music (and there's been plenty) and most of the commercials (and there's been alot fewer since Jan 1) are in stereo. And for the first time the current 3AK jingles and news theme have also been in stereo. Yet the stereo pilot is still off. And still the new lineup is unpublished. The Age Green Guide is still listing next weeks programs the same as they were in early December. Only one guy (Brett de Hoedt) is doing the same shift - at least until tonight. I'm copying this message to Jeff Chatfield who was the CEO at 3AK in recent times till he was flung out by the Board earlier this year. I'm sure that he (JC Superstar) would have made a better fist of this unfortunate change. Come back Jeff - all is forgiven! And I speak for heaps of loyal listeners. Ian Melbourne btw - how many of you in the UK, US, Canada, and NZ have radio program schedules published in the newspapers? As far as I know in Oz - the only papers that do this are 'The Sydney Morning Herald' and our wonderful 'The Age'. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 00:40:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46822 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 08:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 08:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 08:40:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20040116084058.79935.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.226] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:40:58 PST Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:40:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.45 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of "3AK" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Well you can listen to it in a 2KHz band width too! Sounds so exciting like how all the stations are going these days At least you have 3EE. We have a sports network in NZ as well but all our "good sports" like Rugby and cricket can still be broadcasted on Radio Sport however as Sky TV has all the top sports here and is pay tv on satellite. Michael --- Ian Davidson wrote: > > Melbourne's 3AK is to be called 1116 SEN (Sports > Entertainment Network) > from midnight on Sunday. A tragedy that this > callsign from the early 30s > is to be put to rest. > > Will the new sport-talk format work? ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dav259@csiro.au Fri Jan 16 01:28:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71148 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 09:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 09:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 09:28:26 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0G9SO87016823 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:28:25 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:28:24 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum In-Reply-To: <20040116084058.79935.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of "3AK" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Michael and Ross wrote: > Well you can listen to it in a 2KHz band width too! > Sounds so exciting like how all the stations are going > these days At least you have 3EE. Yes ... Praise the Lord for 3EE! ... the ONLY successfully accepted AM callsign change in 70 years. And the FMers do it all the time. Poor old Me Too 3XY still exists - as Greek community station Radio Helas. And the new frequency and callsign (693 and 3EE) will be known as Magic 693 forever! For the last nine years it's been Australia's best AMS station by far. I am fortunate to live in Melbourne where AMS lives. And if there are any others in Victoria lurking on this list - you know who you are! - please say something now ... or don't complain when our avenue of pleasure (... from Fawtly Towers) has been cut off. Ian From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Fri Jan 16 03:43:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36639 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 11:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 11:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.21) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 11:43:54 -0000 Received: from user-718.l1.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.66.206] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AhSNr-0006lB-Fl for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:43:27 +0000 Message-ID: <4RfzUvDf48BAFw0G@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:42:23 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.21 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Becker X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Kevin, I was confusing myself. My Becker (ex-Porsche) has SW not AMS, sorry. I do have an earlier (ex-Merc) Becker which I purchased on ePay last year that does have AMS. It was made for the US market and tunes in 10KHz steps which is not much use to me here in the UK. Cannot find circuit to see if it could be modded. And anyhow I'm no longer involved in component level work. I leave that to my engineer. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Fri Jan 16 03:57:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72067 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 11:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 11:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm6.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 11:57:15 -0000 Received: from user-718.l1.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.66.206] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm6.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AhSae-00075D-Nx for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:56:40 +0000 Message-ID: <3hqwImEIF9BAFwHV@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:55:52 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.22 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Car Radio 93 KHJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man I can point you to a couple of sites that may be able to help you. I still have a recording of when this station used the call KRTH during the 80's made on my first trip to the US. Their audio quality at the time (possibly before NRSC) blew me away. http://www.manfrommars.com/man1.htm http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/5515/laradio.html -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jan 16 06:29:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95241 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 14:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 14:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 14:28:28 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:28:27 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01c3dc3d$016c0cc0$5401010a@AM> To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040115222144.00ad5650@pop.GameBox.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:28:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Car Radio 93 KHJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi John I know exactly of the airchecks you are speaking. Seems to me that Gene in Southern California was the one that posted them originally. Haven't heard from him in a while and I don't know if he is on this list. Amy Mousie, have you heard from Gene lately? Is he still running his "smokin' oldies" internet site? That might be another way to find him and ask him about it. He may still have the original tapes. If he does, that would be awesome and I'd like copies too! :) There's a lot of "scoped" airchecks on the site that I would LOVE to have full copies of, music and all. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: John Holcomb II To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:23 PM Subject: {AMSF} Car Radio 93 KHJ Hey. How or where can I find unscoped airchecks of this station during it's stereo days (1984/86)? I only have the scoped one from the AMStereoRadio FTP site. Thanks, John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jwelton@nautel.com Fri Jan 16 07:30:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98232 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 15:30:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 15:30:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.25.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 15:30:48 -0000 Received: FROM Jeff BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Fri Jan 16 11:32:55 2004 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:28:36 -0400 Message-ID: <01C3DC23.E1B7EFC0.jwelton@nautel.com> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:28:35 -0400 Organization: Nautel Ltd. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 24.222.25.85 From: Jeff Welton Reply-To: "jwelton@nautel.com" Subject: Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff_welton Kevin T. asked: > > Correct. But what I wonder is, did Harris specifically discourage WGN > > from equipping their new transmitter for AM Stereo? Because how else > > would they know that out of the forty 3DX50 transmitters in use today, > > none are set up for AM Stereo? To which Amy replied: > One word: IBOC. > > There's no money, as far as Harris is concerned, to sell C-QUAM > exciters, but plenty, as in kickbacks, if they sell IBOC, since it's > this particular transmitter they're pushing with IBOC, if I recall. I can't believe I'm running my fingers on this one, but I have to take issue with Amy's comment, insofar as we've run into similar circumstances and I _know_ we're not getting any kickbacks. The profit margin on a transmitter equipped with a stereo board is actually a tiny bit higher than on an IBOC capable unit - unless the customer buys the external IBOC exciter right now, which apparently is not the case in this situation. I know I'm beating my head against a wall (and I'm doing it anyway - I guess this -40 degree weather has frozen too many brain cells!), but the possibility may exist that there is a technical reason the new transmitter could not have been equipped with an AMS exciter. I know with our units, some of the changes we've had to make to permit IBOC operation mean that, at some frequencies, we can't meet our distortion specs for stereo operation. Since we can't ship it if it doesn't meet spec, we have two choices - keep stock and make parts for two complete product lines (stereo and IBOC), or stop pushing the one that doesn't sell. There may be a similar situation with the competition - I don't know what goes on in Quincy. As well, Bob Carter commented: > basic key points to look at when trying to determine if an exciter will work > with a particular transmitter...1.the frequency that the exciter produces [does > the transmitter require an input frequency of 2x,4x or 6x the operating > frequency and 2. Does the exciter have enough RF output to give sufficient drive to > operate the transmitter.If your exciter of whatever name,brand and make > passes those two test with your transmitter of whatever name,brand and make...plug > it in and turn it on. I realize that you're trying not to get too technical in the response, but the group delay through the transmitter will have a huge affect on the ability of the transmitter to pass a "decent" signal (i.e., distortion, etc.) In addition, an IBOC capable transmitter will tend to have design differences that may affect it's ability to handle an analog L-R signal. As indicated above, this is a problem we've experienced, although there are workarounds. Best from the frozen tundra, Jeff Welton Customer Service Dept. Nautel Ltd. jwelton@nautel.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 07:46:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79149 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 15:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 15:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 15:46:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2004 15:41:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:41:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4RfzUvDf48BAFw0G@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 737 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Becker X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I do have an earlier (ex-Merc) Becker which I purchased on ePay last > year that does have AMS. It was made for the US market and tunes in > 10KHz steps which is not much use to me here in the UK. Doesn't it fine-tune in 1 kHz steps? I have the Becker Grand Prix models 754 and 780 -- both with AM Stereo -- and both can fine-tune in 1 kHz steps on AM and 0.025 MHz steps on FM. You can also push the "*" button and then directly type in a frequency on the number buttons (say, 1-5-8-4 to tune in 1584 kHz). The model 780 is newer and has a better cassette player, while the 754 has slightly wider AM audio bandwidth. Also note that Becker provides excellent factory service and support: http://www.beckerautosound.com/ From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 08:59:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38675 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 16:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 16:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 16:59:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2004 16:57:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:57:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 512 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Sotiris" X-Originating-IP: 194.219.66.178 Subject: New upload files for AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi to all! I'd like to inform you that I've upload the "an-hk-07.pdf" and the "be-amstereo.pdf" at the "Files > AM-SW transmitters > AMStereo" of the pirate-radio group as the file section of this group is full and cannot add them here!!! For anyone interested on them browse at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pirate-radio Regards Sotris Pdmtr FM & TV PLL transmitters at http://www.aspisys.com/products.htm ASPiSYS Ltd. P.O.Box 14386 Athens 11510 GREECE Tel : +30 210 7719 544 Fax : +30 210 7714 983 From bjackson@indyradio.com Fri Jan 16 09:41:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1922 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 17:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 17:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 17:41:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2004 17:41:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:41:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 652 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.108.210.98 Subject: Re: RCA Hi-Fi AM tuner audio sample X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Here is an audio sample of the RCA tuner with "AM Hi-Fi" that I > discussed earlier... this is a recording of the tuner's audio > And as Douglas B. pointed out, there's another one of these gems on > eBay right now, although unfortunately this one seems to be in need > of repair: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3071733455 Kevin, I did a Google search of that model number...And came up with a government auction site that lists that tuner as part of a RCA rack stereo system...That may be another way to search E-Bay for the tuner? - Brad From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 10:02:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9500 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 18:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 18:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 18:02:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2004 18:02:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:01:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c3dc3d$016c0cc0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1090 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.11 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Car Radio 93 KHJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Hi John > I know exactly of the airchecks you are speaking. Seems to me that Gene in Southern California was the one that posted them originally. Haven't heard from him in a while and I don't know if he is on this list. Amy Mousie, have you heard from Gene lately? Is he still running his "smokin' oldies" internet site? That might be another way to find him and ask him about it. He may still have the original tapes. If he does, that would be awesome and I'd like copies too! :) There's a lot of "scoped" airchecks on the site that I would LOVE to have full copies of, music and all. I haven't heard from Gene in some time, either, but his site, http://smokinoldies.com/, is still operational- I haven't checked to see if the streaming audio still works. Last I recall, he said he still has the unscoped versions of all the AMS files he made years ago, including the KHJ ones in question. (I'm partial to KFI of the same period, myself, for obvious reasons. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jan 16 11:59:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7570 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 19:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 19:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 19:59:24 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.99.162]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:59:19 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:01:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Car Radio 93 KHJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah I'd LOVE the KFI one myself!! That's one of my favorite's to listen to. It would be wonderful if we had the full songs and stuff :) Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:02 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Car Radio 93 KHJ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Hi John > I know exactly of the airchecks you are speaking. Seems to me that Gene in Southern California was the one that posted them originally. Haven't heard from him in a while and I don't know if he is on this list. Amy Mousie, have you heard from Gene lately? Is he still running his "smokin' oldies" internet site? That might be another way to find him and ask him about it. He may still have the original tapes. If he does, that would be awesome and I'd like copies too! :) There's a lot of "scoped" airchecks on the site that I would LOVE to have full copies of, music and all. I haven't heard from Gene in some time, either, but his site, http://smokinoldies.com/, is still operational- I haven't checked to see if the streaming audio still works. Last I recall, he said he still has the unscoped versions of all the AMS files he made years ago, including the KHJ ones in question. (I'm partial to KFI of the same period, myself, for obvious reasons. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 15:42:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60451 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 23:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 23:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 23:42:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2004 23:42:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:42:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c3dc3d$016c0cc0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1405 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Car Radio 93 KHJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I don't know about other people, but when I post airchecks to the ftp.amstereo.com/uploads folder, they are usually unscoped. The only time I scope them is when the signal fades out completely or interference takes over for the spots I'm scoping. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Hi John > I know exactly of the airchecks you are speaking. Seems to me that Gene in Southern California was the one that posted them originally. Haven't heard from him in a while and I don't know if he is on this list. Amy Mousie, have you heard from Gene lately? Is he still running his "smokin' oldies" internet site? That might be another way to find him and ask him about it. He may still have the original tapes. If he does, that would be awesome and I'd like copies too! :) There's a lot of "scoped" airchecks on the site that I would LOVE to have full copies of, music and all. > > Michael n WYO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Holcomb II > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:23 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Car Radio 93 KHJ > > > Hey. > How or where can I find unscoped airchecks of this station during it's stereo days (1984/86)? > I only have the scoped one from the AMStereoRadio FTP site. > Thanks, > > > John > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Jan 16 21:02:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96459 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2004 05:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2004 05:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2004 05:01:58 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040117050151.OQHI15401.fed1mtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:01:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:01:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <439E4D89-48AA-11D8-9539-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.126 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Time Mag. says analog AM sounds better than IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That sounds like the correct response to the wrong inquiry. Richard Wagoner On Wednesday, January 14, 2004, at 07:48 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > But I was surprised that the > music didn't sound richer in digital than in analog. When I switched > to WOR-AM, the difference was more distinct. In analog the host's > voice sounded warm, almost soothing, while in digital, it sounded > harsher and crackly. There was actually less static in analog than in > digital mode. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Jan 16 21:17:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19068 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2004 05:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2004 05:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2004 05:17:14 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040117051715.EIEX3905.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:17:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:17:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040115222144.00ad5650@pop.GameBox.net> Message-Id: <686D5580-48AC-11D8-9539-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.241 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Car Radio 93 KHJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They are not in stereo, but there are unscoped airchecks of Car Radio=20 KHJ on www.reelradio.com What a format that was (not) ... Ironically, it would probably work=20 today! On Thursday, January 15, 2004, at 07:23 PM, John Holcomb II wrote: > Hey. > How or where=A0 can I find unscoped airchecks of this station during=20 > it's stereo days (1984/86)? > I only have the scoped one from the AMStereoRadio FTP site. > Thanks, > > > John > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Fri Jan 16 21:33:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58326 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2004 05:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2004 05:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2004 05:33:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2004 05:33:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:33:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 210.8.29.151 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Car Radio 93 KHJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 It would be great to get hold of the original cassettes and using a pro soundcard and tape deck, record them to uncompressed wav files with cooledit, etc. Then we can make some CD's for interested people and rip them to HQ MP3. See if you can contact him MJR! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Yeah I'd LOVE the KFI one myself!! That's one of my favorite's to listen > to. It would be wonderful if we had the full songs and stuff :) > > Michael n WYO From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 21:58:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4243 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2004 05:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2004 05:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2004 05:58:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20040117055827.46270.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:58:27 PST Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:58:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: DX Opportunity for AMS Stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I noticed that AM800-CKLW is off-air (midnight). From their website: "AM 800 CKLW will be doing some technical maintenance meaning we will be off the air on Friday January 16th ,Saturday January 17th and Sunday January 18th from 12:05am to 4:30am. Please do not be alarmed, we will be back on the air for the "Morning Drive" at 5am. Meanwhile you can tune into our sister stations-89X, Lite Rock 939 FM or 580 Memories during this testing period. We apologize for any inconvenience." Time to DX for the little AM Stereo stations around 800KHz! It would be great if they fired-up their Harris CQuam exciter again! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Jan 17 01:46:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25347 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2004 09:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2004 09:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2004 09:46:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2004 09:46:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:46:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c3db8b$d76407e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 544 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 Subject: Re: Chris Cuff:Delco Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >Is it a Theftlock radio? Or does it have a blinking red LED on the >face (unmarked- blinks when the car is off and the key is removed)?? >Standard Delcos before Theftlock are among the easiest of all radios >to convert. >If it has theftlock, the conversion is a bit different. I only did >one T-lock radio, and it is out on loan to a PD. (I had to rush it >through, and didn't get a chance to photo it) How did you get around the security? I believe once you separate it from the original car's computer, it doesn't work anymore. True? From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jan 17 02:33:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85239 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2004 10:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2004 10:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2004 10:33:38 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:39:29 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c3dce5$45f6ce90$08a8a8c0@Chris1> To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:32:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff:Delco Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 True only after 2000 model year. (The ones with the blinking LED) Those cannot be used in any car except the one it came out of. They read the VIN number from the car's central computer, and if it does not match, it will not work. Now, I know darn well that the processor in these has got to have a service pin to bypass security and make it possible to repair them- I havent had the time to harf one apart to experiment. Theftlock radios from 1994 to 2000 can be reactivated. there is a website that will send you the code for a small fee cc ----- Original Message ----- From: "amstereorules" To: Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 4:46 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff:Delco Radio > > How did you get around the security? I believe once you separate it > from the original car's computer, it doesn't work anymore. True? > > From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Jan 17 03:27:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20299 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2004 11:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2004 11:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2004 11:27:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2004 11:27:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:27:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040115202912.50744.qmail@web60601.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 790 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 Subject: Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >People care more about the Cubs play-by-play than they do about how >the medium is delivered. I disagree. If people heard how good a baseball game sounds in stereo, they would be believers. Man, it's like night and day. The hit of the bat, the crown noises, the announcers, almost like being there in person. >And when they say, ".....our programming is news, talk and sports, >why do we need to be in stereo?", I would refer to WCKG-FM, who >broadcasts news, talk and sports in stereo. I agree. "The Package" as they were once known is in stereo, and is a news-talk FM station. Infinity isn't killing stereo on their FM talk stations. And they have more to gain by doing so. Stereo adds an extra space and dimesnion when done correctly. - Mario, A well known Engineer From pd@96wnjo.com Sat Jan 17 16:32:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pd@96wnjo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80839 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 00:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 00:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 00:32:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 00:32:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:32:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 107 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "wnjo960" X-Originating-IP: 67.83.125.168 Subject: Alfredo Lite AM ST Exciter Schematics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159836599 X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 Anybody know where I can get a copy of them? His site is down and I cant find them anywhere else. Thanks! From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jan 17 17:18:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2561 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 01:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 01:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 01:18:30 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040118011827.QFZU17405.fed1mtao07.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:18:27 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:18:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <384D8944-4954-11D8-9152-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.124 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA Hi-Fi AM tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I finally listened to the clip. Excellent sound. I tweaked the EQ in iTunes, boosting the 16 KHz slider, and the sound increased dramatically., Obviously this tuner has a wide response. Too bad more radios are not like this. IBOC wouldn't have even gotten this far. Richard On Tuesday, January 13, 2004, at 07:49 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > Today I finally got the RCA tuner that I won on eBay a while back: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3064896294 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Jan 17 17:40:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47244 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 01:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 01:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 01:40:05 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 01:40:05 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9390 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2004 19:53:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2004 19:53:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2004 19:53:59 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.180.24cbe938 (30970) for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:53:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <180.24cbe938.2d3aeccf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:53:51 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.8 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Car Radio 93 KHJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Jan 2004 01:40:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 I listened to the scoped aircheck of "Car Radio 93 KHJ" that I downloaded from the Internet. From what I could figure, it was a Hot Adult Contemporary format with six traffic reports per hour, 24/7. At the time, Los Angeles had it's share of AM contemporary music stations; besides KHJ, 640 KFI was broadcasting an Adult Contemporary format with a local-strength signal all the way into San Diego, and the aircheck I downloaded of 1150 Kiss AM (KIIS) had the same playlist, but different jocks and contests for the AM and the FM. It's a shame Clear Channel took over 640 and 1150; the latter now simulcasts XETRA 690 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Jan 17 17:40:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 72547 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 01:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 01:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 01:40:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 01:40:23 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3635 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2004 19:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2004 19:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2004 19:53:57 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.8e.16c9aad (30970) for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:53:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8e.16c9aad.2d3aecd0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:53:52 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.161 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo is it still worth it? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Jan 2004 01:40:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 I think it would be worth your while to go AM Stereo. Now, for a format, I'd go for something like Classic Country (similar to the format on WDAF 106.5 Liberty, MO) or Real Oldies ('50s and '60s; similar to the format on WRTH 1430 in St. Louis). I wouldn't hesitate to add sports to the mix, too; I would take both the St. Louis Cardinals baseball games and St. Louis Blues hockey games. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 19:04:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 545 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 03:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 03:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 03:04:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 03:04:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 03:04:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 873 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.138.75.184 Subject: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Wondering if anyone is interested in this: Is there enough Web space at the AM Stereo FTP site to accommodate a folder for rare Stereo Oldies mp3's? I know a bunch of you have Chris Cuff's AM Stereo transmitter, and so there might be a demand for some more stereo music. I happen to work for an Oldies radio station, and the most recent stereo song we've added is Elvis' "Jailhouse Rock." It only became available this year (in a boxed CD set). This stereo version is raw, so we had to add a bit of compression and reverb to give it the same post-produced sound of the mono single. Actually, putting it on the Web site might be illegal--I don't know. Maybe there'd be a way that we could post lists of rare stereo stuff that we've all got, and then arrange to e-mail them back and forth to the folks who are interested in acquiring them. Just a thought... From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 19:10:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10961 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 03:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 03:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 03:10:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 03:10:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 03:09:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 486 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.17 Subject: Re: Alfredo Lite AM ST Exciter Schematics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wnjo960" wrote: > Anybody know where I can get a copy of them? His site is down and I > cant find them anywhere else. Thanks! The original Alfredo Torrejon AMS transmitter is mirrored here: http://tinyurl.com/vrzv Alfredo's entire InetArena site is also available, from the main page: http://tinyurl.com/plvk There really should be an Alfredo Lite-specific schematic, but you'll have to ask Chris Cuff about that. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 19:34:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57274 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 03:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 03:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 03:34:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 03:34:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 03:34:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1280 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.17 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > Wondering if anyone is interested in this: =snip= > I know a bunch of you have Chris Cuff's AM Stereo transmitter, and so there might be > a demand for some more stereo music. True. > I happen to work for an Oldies radio station, and the most recent stereo song we've > added is Elvis' "Jailhouse Rock." It only became available this year (in a boxed CD set). Actually, I have known of it for some years- It did appear on a rarities CD in the late '80s, if I recall. All of Elvis' film music, including the early films, were recorded in stereo, from what I gather. > This stereo version is raw, so we had to add a bit of compression and reverb to give it > the same post-produced sound of the mono single. If you want a challenge, find the stereo version of Richie Valens' "La Bamba". :) Yes, it does exist, and it has a rather odd quality to it. > Actually, putting it on the Web site might be illegal--I don't know. Maybe there'd be > a way that we could post lists of rare stereo stuff that we've all got, and then arrange > to e-mail them back and forth to the folks who are interested in acquiring them. Or offer a few CD-Rs to interested parties. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 19:51:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32188 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 03:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 03:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 03:51:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 03:51:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 03:50:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 907 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.138.75.184 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee >> If you want a challenge, find the stereo version of Richie Valens' "La Bamba". :) Yes, it does exist, and it has a rather odd quality to it. I'll check with the music director at the station. I know that, in many cases, we choose to keep playing the mono versions of old hits, even though stereo versions have been released (La Bamba may be one of those). Some stereo releases don't sound like the logical direction the re-mix team should have taken from the original mono. The stereo version of "God Only Knows" by the Beach Boys is an excellent progression from the original mono to a stereo version. I wish all stereo re-releases were that faithful to the original sound of the mono mix. The new release of the Yellow Submarine soundtrack is also pretty amazing. With his new mixes of the tracks, George Martin has managed to improve on stuff that was ALREADY in stereo. From mark_608@hotmail.com Sat Jan 17 20:21:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19948 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 04:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 04:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.118) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 04:21:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:21:42 -0800 Received: from 68.43.171.59 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 04:21:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:21:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2004 04:21:42.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[935585B0:01C3DD7A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.17.118 From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [68.43.171.59] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff:Delco Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Actually, the Theftlock feature has to be activated by the owner before it goes into effect. This particular radio never had it turned on, so I had no problem getting it to work. The radio actually has halfway decent bandwidth on AM and is incredible at rejecting interference(prior to this I had been using an older Delco with am stereo and it had terrible problems with interference. It would be cool to be able to convert this one. Mark >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff:Delco Radio >Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:32:57 -0500 > >True only after 2000 model year. (The ones with the blinking LED) Those >cannot be used in any car except the one it came out of. They read the VIN >number from the car's central computer, and if it does not match, it will >not work. Now, I know darn well that the processor in these has got to have >a service pin to bypass security and make it possible to repair them- I >havent had the time to harf one apart to experiment. >Theftlock radios from 1994 to 2000 can be reactivated. there is a website >that will send you the code for a small fee >cc >----- Original Message ----- >From: "amstereorules" >To: >Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 4:46 AM >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff:Delco Radio > > > > > > How did you get around the security? I believe once you separate it > > from the original car's computer, it doesn't work anymore. True? > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ From michaelj@vcn.com Sat Jan 17 21:45:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30457 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 05:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 05:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 05:45:31 -0000 Received: from michaelj (unverified [209.193.86.93]) by m2-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:45:30 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c3de57$a4203100$0500a8c0@mshome.net> To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:44:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.32 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo I love the idea! :) I'm a stereo oldies enthusiast. We've gone through several threads here on this list about stereo oldies.....many people have mixed feelings about them. Narkspud is quite an authority on these things and I know that he had some strong feelings about some and many that are out there that are rip-offs......where someone got a hold of the studio tape with the separate tracks and decided to "make a stereo mix" when the song never ever was recorded in stereo. Stuff like that. Me, I'm all for 'em. I love finding rare stereo mixes. I've got the rare stereo mix of Jailhouse Rock in my on-air library as well. Elvis, believe it or not, scored a lot of his hits on the country charts...so he's kind of a core artist in Classic Country. Anyways....I've got some other little gems and I think it would be wonderful to trade around. True, there may be some legality issues about it. But our FTP site is not linked to any search engines or anything like that so I don't think the word would get out anyways. So I'm not too worried about it if you guys aren't. So I will be happy to set up a new folder on our FTP site for "stereo rarities" or something like that. Now then.....this also opens a can of worms and I can feel the water starting to boil already as many list members start to pipe in about "well I THINK that they should be 128/44...well I THINK they should be Ogg Vorbis....well I THINK they should be 160/44....." and what formats and so forth. Again, we've had quite a bit of extensive discussion about this and what formats work best and so forth. I think sometimes we're stuck with what we got. Some of the ones I have, I downloaded them that way. I didn't encode them from CD. And since MP3 is much more popular than any of the other formats, I believe we ought to stick to that. Mind you, if you want to upload something that is 320kbps, more power to ya. I don't mind a large file in order to preserve some nice quality. I'm pretty satisfied with 160kbps myself, but that's just my personal preference. 160 or 192. Now, one other thing....if we can help it let's try to keep them AT LEAST 128kbps. Any lower than that and you really lose quality. We've had some discussions on the different encoders to use and so forth as well. I think most would agree with me that a program that uses the actual Fraunhafer (sp?) encoder is probably the best, next is the LAME encoder. Seems like almost anything I've heard encoded with the Xing encoder or the Realjukebox sounds like crap. Thoughts?? Oh....and I DO have that stereo version of LaBamba somewhere. It's an MP3 I downloaded......sounds like the original studio tape with them talking and so forth before and after the song and that kind of stuff. It's neato! I think I edited the beginning and end so that it's just the song without the chit chat. Michael - Admin - AMStereo FTP Site ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas B." To: Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies > >> If you want a challenge, find the stereo version of Richie Valens' "La Bamba". :) > Yes, it does exist, and it has a rather odd quality to it. > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 21:52:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43716 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 05:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 05:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 05:52:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 05:52:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 05:52:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1706 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.17 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: -80 ; IPCR=g-w0,n0,g100 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > >> If you want a challenge, find the stereo version of Richie Valens' "La Bamba". :) > Yes, it does exist, and it has a rather odd quality to it. > > > I'll check with the music director at the station. I know that, in many cases, we > choose to keep playing the mono versions of old hits, even though stereo versions > have been released (La Bamba may be one of those). Some stereo releases don't > sound like the logical direction the re-mix team should have taken from the original > mono. Keep in mind the music of this period weren't so much as remixed, but were alternate takes, and this particular Ritchie Valens track, along with quite a few others, is from a box set under the Del-Fi label (the very label Valens recorded under) and the stereo recordings were experiments by his producer/label owner, Bob Keane. (Ritchie Valens, "Come On, Let's Go!" 3-disc box set, Del-Fi DFBX 2359) > The stereo version of "God Only Knows" by the Beach Boys is an excellent progression > from the original mono to a stereo version. I wish all stereo re- releases were that Comes from the 3-disc "Pet Sounds" set- which I need- and yes, it's a FANTASTIC stereo track! One of my favorites, too. :) > faithful to the original sound of the mono mix. The new release of the Yellow > Submarine soundtrack is also pretty amazing. With his new mixes of the tracks, > George Martin has managed to improve on stuff that was ALREADY in stereo. I think the best of Martin's remixes was on the CD single "Real Love" (or was it "Free As a Bird"?), which was "Here, There, and Everywhere". Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 21:59:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55471 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 05:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 05:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 05:59:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 05:59:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 05:59:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c3de57$a4203100$0500a8c0@mshome.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 433 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.17 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: =snip= > Thoughts?? Your site, and most of what we're looking for are older recordings anyway, so.. It's up to you. I'm all for it, admittedly- I'll offer some if I can, but my CD burner's gonna be happy, and so will my mousie ears.. :) Also, I'm not sure if I'm the only one here, but consider long- version oldies, too! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From baansy@yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 22:01:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46824 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 06:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 06:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 06:01:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 06:01:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 06:01:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 134 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 202.6.138.33 Subject: AM STEREO ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000BZG2U/graphicsunleashe/103 -6442630-5404600?dev-t=D2LY60L61X2G9H DOES IT REALLY HAVE IT? From michaelj@vcn.com Sat Jan 17 22:05:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46022 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 06:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 06:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 06:05:48 -0000 Received: from michaelj (unverified [209.193.86.93]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:05:47 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c3de5a$79cce580$0500a8c0@mshome.net> To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:04:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.31 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo OH YES! Most DEFINITELY!!! That is my second-most favorite thing to try to find!! By all means! If you got 'em, post 'em!! Even if it's just an added 30 seconds at the end so that it's longer than the version most of us are used to hearing. That, to me, is a longer version. For instance....the other day I was sitting there at my shop listening to my part 15....the library is over 1000 songs. Well, "Another Saturday Night" by Sam Cooke came up and played and yet when it got to the end it just kept going on and on and he sang like 2 or 3 more refrains of the chorus!! A "long version" that I didn't even realize I had. Just one of those that when I was building my library and downloading all the hits of the 60s I could find....I guess I happened to find that one :) Love it! Let's do it! MY CD burner will be getting some good use as well! :) Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:59 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies > Also, I'm not sure if I'm the only one here, but consider long- > version oldies, too! :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Jan 17 22:25:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48546 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 06:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 06:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 06:25:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:25:41 -0800 Received: from 172.165.245.153 by bay7-dav23.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 06:25:41 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:24:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2004 06:25:41.0654 (UTC) FILETIME=[E577EB60:01C3DD8B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.80 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.165.245.153] Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 baansy wrote: > DOES IT REALLY HAVE IT? NO! Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 22:31:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12753 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 06:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 06:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 06:31:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 06:31:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 06:31:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c3de5a$79cce580$0500a8c0@mshome.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1526 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.17 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > OH YES! Most DEFINITELY!!! That is my second-most favorite thing to try > to find!! By all means! If you got 'em, post 'em!! Even if it's just an > added 30 seconds at the end so that it's longer than the version most of us > are used to hearing. That, to me, is a longer version. For > instance....the other day I was sitting there at my shop listening to my > part 15....the library is over 1000 songs. Well, "Another Saturday Night" > by Sam Cooke came up and played and yet when it got to the end it just kept > going on and on and he sang like 2 or 3 more refrains of the chorus!! A > "long version" that I didn't even realize I had. Just one of those that > when I was building my library and downloading all the hits of the 60s I > could find....I guess I happened to find that one :) > > Love it! Let's do it! > MY CD burner will be getting some good use as well! :) Let's see... The full 22-minute version of Rare Earth's live "Get Ready" (the edit of same you here on the Good Time Oldies" stations is about 3!), Sugarloaf's 7-minute "Green-Eyed Lady"; the Temptations' 12-minute masterpieces "Papa Was a Rolling Stone" and "Smiling Faces, Sometimes"; Stevie Wonder's 6-minute "Fingertips" (in stereo); even the Supremes' post-Diana hit, "Stoned Love" at just 4 minutes- 53 seconds longer than the single version. Yes, I love long songs. :) There's of course FAR more out there. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Jan 17 23:00:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52753 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 07:00:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 07:00:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 07:00:01 -0000 Received: from JimSmith (host-66-81-61-150.rev.o1.com [66.81.61.150]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i0I6xw446264; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:59:58 -0800 Message-ID: <000901c3dd90$03d00760$1413fea9@JimSmith> To: "AMSTEREO" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:55:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: kfrc am 610 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Ya KFRC makes me laff. Thay say enjoy your oldies on 99.7fm and enjoy your favorit oldies with the areganl mono mix on 610 am. Most of the oldies thay play are in stereo being after 1958. Jim S From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 23:18:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26774 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 07:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 07:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 07:18:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 07:18:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:18:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c3dd90$03d00760$1413fea9@JimSmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 845 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.17 Subject: Re: kfrc am 610 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith" wrote: > Ya KFRC makes me laff. Thay say enjoy your oldies on 99.7fm and enjoy your > favorit oldies with the areganl mono mix on 610 am. Most of the oldies thay > play are in stereo being after 1958. Jim S Actually, there were mono hits up until about 1971 or so, but after about 1967, almost all were stereo. Stereo recording became a reality by about 1951. Even with the advent of the 45/45 stereo phonograph in 1957, it really didn't catch on to the concumer for another decade- I believe I have mentioned that before, being that the Beatles' "Sgt. Pepper" album was the first stereo record to go gold, as well as the first to outself its mono counterpart. (Up to that time, a typical stereo edition would sell at about 25% its mono counterpart.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Sat Jan 17 23:45:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14572 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 07:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 07:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 07:45:57 -0000 Received: from michaelj (unverified [209.193.86.93]) by m2-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:45:56 -0700 Message-ID: <007201c3de68$76bbf3a0$0500a8c0@mshome.net> To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:44:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.32 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Wow, you've got some real gems, Amy! I've got some in my collection too. Once we get this up and going I think it will be really great! I will post a message as soon as I get the folders created. Remember all......login as username: amstereo and password: amstereo to allow you to upload into the "uploads" folder. I'll move them out of there into their respective folders after that. I know we're about to stray into the "off-topic" area. Should we start a new Yahoo-groups list for "rare music" or something like that? That way we can ask questions and research different things like "hey, do you know if there was ever a stereo version of......". I don't want to get in trouble for starting a whole slew of off-topic discussions :) This is gonna be fun! :) Michael n Wyo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies > Let's see... The full 22-minute version of Rare Earth's live "Get > Ready" (the edit of same you here on the Good Time Oldies" stations > is about 3!), Sugarloaf's 7-minute "Green-Eyed Lady"; the > Temptations' 12-minute masterpieces "Papa Was a Rolling Stone" > and "Smiling Faces, Sometimes"; Stevie Wonder's 6-minute "Fingertips" > (in stereo); even the Supremes' post-Diana hit, "Stoned Love" at just > 4 minutes- 53 seconds longer than the single version. Yes, I love > long songs. :) There's of course FAR more out there. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Jan 17 23:58:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1002 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 07:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 07:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 07:58:26 -0000 Received: from JimSmith (host-66-81-63-78.rev.o1.com [66.81.63.78]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i0I7wNZ58946; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:58:24 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c3dd98$2e368bc0$1413fea9@JimSmith> To: "AMSTEREO" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:53:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: my point is..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Well my point is that thay are playing lots of stereo cuts on both am and fm. And of course leaveing on there fm stereo on and kind of saying that am belongs in mono. And i have hard alot good stereo cuts from the late 50's and late 60's. I did not know that there early 50's stereo cuts. I know about Wizzad of OZ and Gone with the wind are both stereo from day one. jim s From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 00:21:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82077 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 08:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 08:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 08:21:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 08:20:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:20:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c3dd98$2e368bc0$1413fea9@JimSmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1227 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.17 Subject: Re: my point is..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith" wrote: > Well my point is that thay are playing lots of stereo cuts on both am and > fm. And of course leaveing on there fm stereo on and kind of saying that am > belongs in mono. And i have hard alot good stereo cuts from the late 50's > and late 60's. I did not know that there early 50's stereo cuts. I know > about Wizzad of OZ and Gone with the wind are both stereo from day one. There's some interesting stuff about that- These movies WEREN'T intended for stereo. (Although, yes, theatrical stereophonics was already being experimented on- Even "Fantasia"'s stereo sound was not original- Disney saw one of these experimental stereo presentations in 1936, and decided to get ahold of Leopold Stokowski, and make his own. The first "test run" was "Sorcerer's Apprentice" in 1937. It worked, so they went on to complete "Fantasia".) Most film studios made multitrack optical recordings for the engineers to find the best possible sound when they mix down to mono. Only MGM seems to have preserved most of these soundtracks, though. This was particularly true from 1935 to when theatrical stereo became commonplace- 1953. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 00:35:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23959 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 08:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 08:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 08:35:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 08:35:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:35:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c3de57$a4203100$0500a8c0@mshome.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1094 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.11 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Oh....and I DO have that stereo version of LaBamba somewhere. It's > an MP3 I downloaded......sounds like the original studio tape with > them talking and so forth before and after the song and that kind > of stuff. It's neato! I have the stereo version of Procol Harum's "A Whiter Shade of Pale" that's the same idea -- before the song starts, you can hear the studio chatter and count-down. Otherwise, it's not radically different than the common "fake stereo" version, except that's it's in _real_ stereo. There's also the controversial stereo mix of the Beach Boys' "Good Vibrations". Some say it's just a mono track that was creatively mixed to create a stereo effect, but it sounds like a true stereo recording to me. But sometimes the mono version of a song really is superior to the stereo version, musically speaking. For example, there are a number of songs from Frankie Valli & the 4 Seasons where the mono version has an extra introduction, while the stereo version just jumps right into the melody ("Dawn" and "Let's Hang On" are two good examples of this). From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 00:41:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83231 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 08:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 08:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 08:41:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 08:41:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:41:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1048 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.17 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > There's also the controversial stereo mix of the Beach Boys' "Good > Vibrations". Some say it's just a mono track that was creatively > mixed to create a stereo effect, but it sounds like a true stereo > recording to me. There are at least two distinct versions- One indeed is the actual stereo recording from the "Pet Sounds" period (on the same 3-CD "Pet Sounds" set I mentioned before), and the other is one of these creative "sync-up" remixes floating about. I have both, and both are very good. > But sometimes the mono version of a song really is superior to the > stereo version, musically speaking. For example, there are a number > of songs from Frankie Valli & the 4 Seasons where the mono version > has an extra introduction, while the stereo version just jumps right > into the melody ("Dawn" and "Let's Hang On" are two good examples of > this). I've heard both in stereo, with the intros. I don't -have- them, though. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 00:52:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43362 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 08:52:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 08:52:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 08:52:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 08:52:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:52:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 521 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.11 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Well, here's one fairly uncommon "stereo oldie" to add to the list... the "laughing version" of Elvis' "Are You Lonesome Tonight" (cut & paste URL to join lines): http://www.scottfortney.com/_Sound/music/elvis_presley_are_you_loneso me_laughing.mp3 Or, if you'd like: http://tinyurl.com/2enuj There's another live version of this song, also from 1969, where Elvis forgets the words and sounds rather disoriented. I have it on cassette somewhere, recorded from the now-defunct WFMU radio show "Incorrect Music". From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 00:56:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66953 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 08:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 08:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 08:56:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 08:56:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:56:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c3de57$a4203100$0500a8c0@mshome.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5032 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > I love the idea! :) I'm a stereo oldies enthusiast. We've gone through > several threads here on this list about stereo oldies.....many people have > mixed feelings about them. Narkspud is quite an authority on these things > and I know that he had some strong feelings about some and many that are out > there that are rip-offs......where someone got a hold of the studio tape > with the separate tracks and decided to "make a stereo mix" when the song > never ever was recorded in stereo. Stuff like that. Me, I'm all for 'em. > I love finding rare stereo mixes. I've got the rare stereo mix of Jailhouse > Rock in my on-air library as well. Elvis, believe it or not, scored a lot > of his hits on the country charts...so he's kind of a core artist in Classic > Country. Anyways....I've got some other little gems and I think it would be > wonderful to trade around. True, there may be some legality issues about > it. But our FTP site is not linked to any search engines or anything like > that so I don't think the word would get out anyways. So I'm not too > worried about it if you guys aren't. > So I will be happy to set up a new folder on our FTP site for "stereo > rarities" or something like that. Now then.....this also opens a can of > worms and I can feel the water starting to boil already as many list members > start to pipe in about "well I THINK that they should be 128/44...well I > THINK they should be Ogg Vorbis....well I THINK they should be 160/44....." > and what formats and so forth. Again, we've had quite a bit of extensive > discussion about this and what formats work best and so forth. I think > sometimes we're stuck with what we got. Some of the ones I have, I > downloaded them that way. I didn't encode them from CD. And since MP3 is > much more popular than any of the other formats, I believe we ought to stick > to that. Mind you, if you want to upload something that is 320kbps, more > power to ya. I don't mind a large file in order to preserve some nice > quality. I'm pretty satisfied with 160kbps myself, but that's just my > personal preference. 160 or 192. > Now, one other thing....if we can help it let's try to keep them AT LEAST > 128kbps. Any lower than that and you really lose quality. We've had some > discussions on the different encoders to use and so forth as well. I think > most would agree with me that a program that uses the actual Fraunhafer > (sp?) encoder is probably the best, next is the LAME encoder. Seems like > almost anything I've heard encoded with the Xing encoder or the Realjukebox > sounds like crap. I like to encode my mp3s to be as high of a quality as possible based on what I'm telling it to encode. With the encoder I use (Lame 3.94) I like the following bit rates (or higher - I'm listing the lowest one that encodes the full frequency range of the sampling rate) for the various sampling frequencies (and stereo/mono) (also I use -q 0 (highest quality) (VBR I usually just give it the minimum and maximum bitrates, set stereo / mono (or let it decide), give it a sampling rate (or let it decide), maybe put in a custom lowpass filter but not usually, and tell it highest quality (-V 0)): 8KHz mono => 16kbps, 8KHz stereo => 24kbps 11KHz mono => 16kbps, 11KHz stereo => 32kbps 12KHz mono => 24kbps, 12KHz stereo => 40kbps 16KHz mono => 32kbps, 16KHz stereo => 56kbps 22KHz mono => 48kbps, 22KHz stereo => 64kbps 24KHz mono => 56kbps, 24KHz stereo => 80kbps 32KHz mono => 64kbps, 32KHz stereo => 112kbps 44KHz mono => 80kbps(*1), 44KHz stereo => 224kbps(*1b) 48KHz mono => 80kbps(*1), 48KHz stereo => 256kbps(*1b) *1 - I prefer using much higher bitrates - when I was testing the codec the lowpass filter topped out at 20627Hz for 44.1KHz, 20903Hz for 48KHz starting at this bitrate (80kbps for both), even when I tried it at 320kbps. You could use the -k option (not recommended below 128kbps or 160kbps) to keep all frequencies. *1b - see *1 except this is for stereo - lowpass filters top out at the same frequencies. Speaking of AM Stereo (and/or mono HiFi radios) does anyone know of any good AM radio such that even with a poorly-received signal 320kbps is still not good enough? > > > Thoughts?? > > Oh....and I DO have that stereo version of LaBamba somewhere. It's an MP3 I > downloaded......sounds like the original studio tape with them talking and > so forth before and after the song and that kind of stuff. It's neato! I > think I edited the beginning and end so that it's just the song without the > chit chat. > > Michael - Admin - AMStereo FTP Site > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas B." > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 7:50 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies > > > > >> If you want a challenge, find the stereo version of Richie Valens' "La > Bamba". :) > > Yes, it does exist, and it has a rather odd quality to it. > > > > From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 06:51:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23805 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 14:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 14:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 14:51:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 14:51:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:51:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 603 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 65.65.211.37 Subject: La Bamba Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I checked with one of our DJ's who is especially on top of our re-released stereo library... and here's what he had to say about La Bamba (btw, I'll get this "radio edit" on mp3 within the week): "I had to take one channel of the beginning and 'mono' it because the guitar on the other channel sounds out of tune. After the beginning, I gradually broought back the stereo, but not fully because the vocal is too prevalent on only one channel. The over-all recording is not much cleaner than the original mono but it is true stereo. I also had to pitch it up just a tad to make it sound 'right'." From castellano105@yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 07:27:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20484 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 15:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 15:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 15:27:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 15:26:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:26:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 572 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 207.69.138.201 Subject: AM Stereo Format. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Here in Marion County their two Popular AM stations,both brodcast in mono buth their format attrack liseners,what are their format well AM640 is a station in the Villeges a Retirement community their music is vocals from 1930 to 1990. it woud be great if it was in Stereo. The otheir Station is 720 AM Big Band,Ballads and Blues their Music is from the 1900 to todays Bands and singers of Swing Music. If theis two Station can do well in mono how much better they would do in AM Stereo,if only Manufactures of AM Radios would start producing HiFi AM Stereo Radios. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 11:04:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16609 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 19:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 19:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 19:04:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20040118190442.64464.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 11:04:42 PST Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 11:04:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.72 From: "John P." Subject: Stereo Ricky Nelson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Does anybody have a true stereo version of Rick Nelson's "Poor Little Fool" in stereo? It would sound great in AM Stereo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 11:35:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81862 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 19:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 19:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 19:35:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 19:35:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:35:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040118190442.64464.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.239 Subject: Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Does anybody have a true stereo version of Rick Nelson's "Poor Little Fool" in > stereo? It would sound great in AM Stereo! I don't have it, but I have heard it- Most, if not all, of Ricky Nelson's recordings were recorded in stereo, and I have heard most of his good hits in stereo. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Sun Jan 18 12:18:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78698 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 20:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 20:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 20:18:19 -0000 Received: from michaelj (unverified [209.193.86.73]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:18:18 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c3ded1$8ecf7e80$0500a8c0@mshome.net> To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:16:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.31 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo I think it's great....I'm loving all of the replies! On the Ricky Nelson song, you're right Amy. I've heard "poor little fool" in stereo as well. I can check our library at the station to see if we've got the stereo version or I may be able to find it and we can upload it into there. By the way KT, I would LOVE to hear the stereo version of "whiter shade of pale". That's a real rarity....I've always heard that one in mono or the "fake" stereo. I always wondered if there was a real true stereo version ever made. A few others come to mind that I've always wondered if there ever was a stereo version. I did some extensive searching a year or two ago and found stereo versions of "Suspicions" by Terry Stafford, "96 Tears" by ? & the Mysterians, and a lot of the Dave Clark 5's stuff. Good stuff! Will get it uploaded once I'm not at home. I only have dial-up here. Michael n Wyo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:35 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > Does anybody have a true stereo version of Rick Nelson's "Poor > Little Fool" in > > stereo? It would sound great in AM Stereo! > > I don't have it, but I have heard it- Most, if not all, of Ricky > Nelson's recordings were recorded in stereo, and I have heard most of > his good hits in stereo. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w6yn@juno.com Sun Jan 18 15:50:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51474 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 23:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 23:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 23:50:08 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCU12sfwOr9/2i6KusJuMv4w=">; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:49:33 PST Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JK8DAMAX; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:49:33 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:48:09 -0800 Message-ID: <20040118.154810.988.2.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-8,10,12-15,16-32767 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: TERK Antennas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have any experience using the TERK line of AM antennas. I have used the tunable AM Advantage passive AM antenna and I was impressed with the results. They also sell an AM/FM powered "Tower" and an indoor/outdoor powered antenna called the "FM PRO" How do these products perform? Thanks, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 16:42:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98948 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 00:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 00:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 00:42:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 00:42:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:42:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c3ded1$8ecf7e80$0500a8c0@mshome.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 998 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.239 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: =snip= > a stereo version. I did some extensive searching a year or two ago and > found stereo versions of "Suspicions" by Terry Stafford, "96 Tears" by ? & > the Mysterians, and a lot of the Dave Clark 5's stuff. I know "Suspicions" is in stereo- the "Good Time Oldies" network plays it. They also play a stereo version of "Dancing in the Moonlight" by King Harvest that I have been unable to find. :( I have a few stereo versions that they don't have, such as the McCoys' "Hang On Sloopy" and Paul Revere's "Kicks", but I have been looking for stereo versions of "Expressway To Your Heart" (I forget by whom) and "Two Faces Have I" by Lou Christie (which I have heard), and MJR, I'm very interested in the stereo version of ? and the Mysterions' "96 Tears"- I have been searching for that, too! (I do have the stereo version somewhere here of "Dirty Water", just got to find it.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 16:54:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73504 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 00:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 00:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 00:54:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 00:54:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:54:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 692 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.239 Subject: Stereo oldies- Checklists and wishlists X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I have a suggestion here, and hopefully we can come up with something workable here: How about posting of checklists for those who have what they think are hard-to-find stereo and/or "long version" oldies? How about postings of wishlists/wanted-lists by those who are looking for certain stereo and/or long versions they might be aware of? What's a good "cutoff" date for those who aren't looking for anything too recent, ie: 1980? I would NOT suggest posting either list to the group, but instead, posting them somewhere in a files section, like the FTP site, say, and list-posters could maintain their lists depending on new finds or acquisitions. Suggestions? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Jan 18 17:05:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57328 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 01:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 01:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.120) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 01:05:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 17:05:01 -0800 Received: from 172.164.40.114 by bay7-dav16.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:05:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:02:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2004 01:05:01.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[43E38C30:01C3DE28] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.120 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.164.40.114] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: >I have been looking for stereo versions of "Expressway To Your Heart" (I forget by whom) It was The Soul Survivors. I hae it as a .MP2 imbedded in a .TMC file. (Windows Media Player will play it.) > > and the Mysterions' "96 Tears I also have that one as a .MP2 in a .TMC file. Kevin From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sun Jan 18 17:32:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44757 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 01:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 01:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 01:32:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 17:32:45 -0800 Received: from 68.76.48.2 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:32:44 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:32:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2004 01:32:45.0173 (UTC) FILETIME=[237B8250:01C3DE2C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.91 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.76.48.2] Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo Format. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane If this is Marion County, Florida, WVLG 640 (Wildwood) was in stereo at one time when they were running a Christian format. The other WRZN 720 (Hernando) had no interest when I mentioned it to them during a station visit a few years back. I think both stations would do well in AM stereo with all the luxury cars in the area that have the AM stereo units inside... Paul Crane >From: "Francisco Guzman" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo Format. >Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:26:49 -0000 > >Here in Marion County their two Popular AM stations,both brodcast in mono >buth >their format attrack liseners,what are their format well AM640 is a station >in the >Villeges a Retirement community their music is vocals from 1930 to 1990. it >woud be >great if it was in Stereo. The otheir Station is 720 AM Big Band,Ballads >and Blues their >Music is from the 1900 to todays Bands and singers of Swing Music. If theis >two >Station can do well in mono how much better they would do in AM Stereo,if >only >Manufactures of AM Radios would start producing HiFi AM Stereo Radios. > _________________________________________________________________ High-speed users—be more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jan 18 18:34:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6536 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 02:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 02:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 02:34:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:34:57 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:34:57 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:34:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2004 02:34:57.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[D455BC00:01C3DE34] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.91 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo Format.WVLG- The Villages X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Actually, when WVLG 640 first came on the air around 1986 the call letters were WHOF (Heart of Florida) and they had a format pretty similiar to what they do now (w/o Skip and Nancy promoting The Villages constantly) and they were stereo from day one, after several years and i guess a change in ownership, they swtiched to a Christian format and the stereo remained for about a year or so then the stereo was dropped and now they are WVLG and they remain in mono. I was visiting my parents this weekend and listening to them and you're right they would be great in stereo; I don't have a clue as to what happened under the Christian format with the stereo being turned off and if the exciter is anywhere to be found after all these ownership changes, changes in studio location etc. With THe Villages being an upscale retirment community, I suspect that probably at least a third of the residents have am-stereo in their autos.... now their golf-carts; that's another story! :) Donn in St Petersburg, where 640 in Radio Havana loud and clear. ~~~~~~~~~~ ..."WVLG 640 (Wildwood) was in stereo at one time when they were running a Christian format.  The other WRZN 720 (Hernando) had no interest when I mentioned it to them during a station visit a few years back. I think both stations would do well in AM stereo with all the luxury cars in the area that have the AM stereo units inside... Paul Crane _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed ‘net deals — comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Jan 18 18:38:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15057 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 02:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 02:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 02:38:15 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.219.19.72]) by imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20040119023815.BMGR1950.imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:38:15 -0500 Message-ID: <008501c3de35$4978c3b0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:38:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.66 From: "Juan / John Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Format.WVLG- The Villages X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Donn, I agree that WVLG sounds great. If they are not live they sound live and the music is not bad, and audio quality is very good. They sound like a good community Radio Station. Maybe they still have the Stereo gear......... Juan Fort Pierce, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo Format.WVLG- The Villages > > > Actually, when WVLG 640 first came on the air around 1986 the call letters > were WHOF (Heart of Florida) and they had a format pretty similiar to what > they do now (w/o Skip and Nancy promoting The Villages constantly) and they > were stereo from day one, after several years and i guess a change in > ownership, they swtiched to a Christian format and the stereo remained for > about a year or so then the stereo was dropped and now they are WVLG and > they remain in mono. > > I was visiting my parents this weekend and listening to them and you're > right they would be great in stereo; I don't have a clue as to what happened > under the Christian format with the stereo being turned off and if the > exciter is anywhere to be found after all these ownership changes, changes > in studio location etc. > > With THe Villages being an upscale retirment community, I suspect that > probably at least a third of the residents have am-stereo in their autos.... > now their golf-carts; that's another story! :) > > Donn > in St Petersburg, where 640 in Radio Havana loud and clear. > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ..."WVLG 640 (Wildwood) was in stereo at one time when they were running a > Christian format. The other WRZN 720 (Hernando) had no interest when I > mentioned it to them during a station visit a few years back. > > I think both stations would do well in AM stereo with all the luxury cars in > the area that have the AM stereo units inside... > > Paul Crane > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find high-speed 'net deals - comparison-shop your local providers here. > https://broadband.msn.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From bratina501@msn.com Sun Jan 18 18:40:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23000 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 02:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 02:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 02:40:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 02:39:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:39:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 169 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.143 Subject: IBOC mentioned on Clear Channel station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 A local Clear Channel radio station mentioned said this in their RDS signal one evening "HD Radio comming soon to CARTOYS Tell us what you think studio@kiss1061.com." From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jan 18 19:00:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50943 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 03:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 03:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 03:00:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:00:26 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 03:00:26 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 03:00:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2004 03:00:26.0824 (UTC) FILETIME=[63ABBC80:01C3DE38] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.66 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Format.WVLG- The Villages X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 ¡Hola Juan! WVLG does sound great and they are live and local all day and in the evening, I believe they are automated from midnight through 6am as far as I have been able to determine. Part of the reason for WVLG is as a promotional tool for The Villages, so I'm sure they will continue to be live and local under current ownership. They constantly are doing remotes at various functions going on in Downtown Seven Springs and at Christmas they did a live broadcast of The Village Christmas parade. For those not familiar with The Villages, it is a huge development that encompasses three counties in north Central Florida, Lake, Sumter and Marion counties; they have their own daily newspaper, The Village Sun, WVLG radio and by cable tv, VNN (Village News Network) They also have a polo field, their own hospital, golf courses etc. Donn St Petersburg _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Jan 18 19:40:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64934 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 03:40:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 03:40:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.116) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 03:40:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:39:50 -0800 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav12.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 03:39:49 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:39:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2004 03:39:50.0240 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4606600:01C3DE3D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.116 From: "Robert" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: Alfredo Lite Schematics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hi All, For those interested. I have put in a email to Chris Cuff requesting copy of schematics. If he is agreeable they will be hosted on my website in the download area as well as posted to the AMSF ftp site. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Jan 18 21:03:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59539 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 05:03:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 05:03:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 05:03:09 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040119050306.IOVE28419.fed1mtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:03:06 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:03:06 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.242 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: DRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DRM claims they can combine digital with long-distance reception of=20 AM. Is that possible, or only when everyone is listening on DRM digital=20 radios? I notice they also mention low battery consumption. > FM-like sound quality with the AM reach ; > > Improved reception quality; > > Flexible use of radio, whenever and wherever you want it; > > No change to existing listening habits: > > =A0 > > -same frequencies, > -same listening conditions (fixed, portable and mobile radio), > -same listening environment (indoors, in cities, in dense forests..); > > > Low cost receiver, low energy consumption; > > Easy tuning: with selection by frequency, station name or programme=20 > type; > > More diverse programme content, using the full capabilities of new=20 > digital features; > > Wide receiver range with more and better features; > > Radios that will give you programmes with associated text information,=20 > station name, record title, singer=92s name...=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Sun Jan 18 21:40:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6946 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 05:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 05:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 05:40:50 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:40:50 -0700 To: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:42:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Stereo oldies- Checklists and wishlists X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds good Amy. I hope Kevin T is watching his email and can chime in on some suggestions. I'd say if he says it's okay, let's post them to the list. That way if someone happens to stumble over the message and says "Oh hey, I have that!"....especially if it's someone that usually lurks or something.....that might lead to more findings for all of us. As I said, I don't want this all to venture too far off topic, although it is stereo. Stereo oldies more or less. 1980 is probably a good cut-off date. I know most of us are talking about stereo oldies. BTW, Amy...your 96 Tears is posted in the new "stereo versions" folder on the FTP site. Been searching and searching for "expressway to your heart" by the Soul Survivors for ya. I know we had the stereo version on a CD in our library...."Dick Bartley's One-Hit Wonders" was the CD...don't remember if it was vol 1 or 2. But anyways....our PD took all those cd's and compiled just the hits on recordables so that our FM is more space-efficient now. All cds are full and all on those cds are playable. Anyways..I think he did do the oldies CDs as well so hopefully that song is in the oldies library. If not, the owner might have taken the oldies CDs to his house or another station. Anyways....I won't give up til I find it for ya. I used to play it all the time when we were oldies and the stereo version is great! That CD also had the stereo version/long version of Hang On Sloopy on it. MJR -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:54 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Stereo oldies- Checklists and wishlists I have a suggestion here, and hopefully we can come up with something workable here: How about posting of checklists for those who have what they think are hard-to-find stereo and/or "long version" oldies? How about postings of wishlists/wanted-lists by those who are looking for certain stereo and/or long versions they might be aware of? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Jan 18 22:19:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33400 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 06:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 06:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 06:19:56 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040119061956.TLBP3905.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cox.net>; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:19:56 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:19:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <7E45D0FD-4A47-11D8-9C8F-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.241 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Old Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Going through and checking old bookmarks in my browser (Safari), I found the following gem. I am sure many of you have already read it, but I find it interesting. Richard Wagoner This article appeared in Broadcasting on Aug. 2, 1982. Here's another entry for historic dates in broadcasting: July 23, 1982, when KDKA(AM) Pittsburgh, which claims to be the nation's first commercial radio station, earned the further distinction of being the first AM stereo station. At 6:03 p.m. NYT, the Group W station interrupted its regularly scheduled programing to switch briefly from the monaural to stereophonic mode. Like its claim to being the first commercial station, however, KDKA's claim to being the first AM stereo station may be forever disputed. Because KDKA's inaugural stereo broadcast only lasted about 10 minutes, time enough to play the "Star Spangled Banner" and announce what was happening, KTSA(AM) San Antonio, Tex., which shifted permanently into stereo 11 minutes after KDKA's temporary switch, has also laid claim to being the first. Regardless of which came first and despite the fact that there are no receivers available, AM stereo broadcasting became a reality last week. Besides KDKA, which will broadcast in stereo intermittently, and KTSA, RKO's KHJ Los Angeles and KFRC San Francisco, Bonneville's KMBZ Kansas City, Mo., and ABC's WLS Chicago and WMAL Washington also went stereo. All the stations had installed and tested Kahn equipment long ago and had only to wait for type acceptance by the FCC to go forward. It's expected that several additional Kahn-equipped stations; Group W's WBZ Boston and WOWO Fort Wayne, Ind.; Meredith's WOW Omaha; LIN Broadcasting's WFIL Philadelphia; Bonneville's KSL Salt Lake City, and NBC's WNBC New York -- will sign on in stereo this week or next. The number of AM stereo stations will multiply rapidly in the weeks ahead if the Harris system, another of the four processes vying to become the de facto standard in the U. S. by winning the acceptance of broadcasters and receiver manufacturers, wins type acceptance soon. Roger Burns, director of strategic planning for Harris, was sanguine that would happen this week. Jefferson-Pilot's WQXI Atlanta has been lined up to be the first station to broadcast in stereo using the Harris system, Burns said. Within a month of WQXI's stereo premiere, he said, 10 to 15 other Harris-equipped stations would begin stereo broadcasting. The dawning of AM stereo was not as dramatic as it might have been simply because there are no AM stereo radio sets available to consumers. Manufacturers will be reluctant to build any set until a standard has been fixed. Kahn and Burns hope to provide a temporary solution to the set shortage by authorizing the manufacture of adapters that can convert AM/FM stereo radios into AM stereo/FM stereo sets. (Crutchfield Corp., Charlottesville, Va., is overseeing the manufacture of the Harris adapters, Burns said.) Kahn said that Mura Corp., a Westbury, N.Y., manufacturer, will have Walkman-type units capable of receiving the Kahn signal available in large quantities some time this fall. According to Burns, mass production of Harris radios will not begin until next spring when Harris-produced integrated circuits are available. Because of the nature of Kahn's system, its signal can be received by spacing two mono receivers and slightly detuning them, one slightly higher, the other slightly lower. The detuning creates distortion, but, as Kahn stereo broadcasters have testified, the technique produces a stereo effect and is not without its promotional value in the otherwise receiverless marketplace. The ability to get as many stations as possible to go on and stay on with their systems is crucial to Kahn's and Harris's strategy to become the owner of the nation's stereo standard. If most broadcasters adopt one system, they believe, the receiver manufacturers will quickly follow suit. Magnavox and Motorola, the other two proponents of AM stereo system, have been unable to convince many broadcasters of the merits of their systems. Their best hope is that the broadcasters will be unable to come to a consensus on either the Kahn or Harris system and that the receiver manufacturers, to which they have closer ties, will take the lead. Leonard Kahn, president of Kahn Communications and a promoter of AM stereo for more than two decades, is certain that although stations may go on with the Harris system, they'll only stay on with the Kahn system. "All the other systems will degrade the mono signal and I don't think the AM broadcaster can stand to make that sacrifice," Kahn said. Harris's Burns is equally certain that, despite Kahn's lead of at least a week, Harris will quickly catch and surpass Kahn in the number of stations using its system. After Harris begins quantity production of its exciters in September or October, he said, stations will begin broadcasting the Harris stereo signal at a rate of 50 per month. (Harris currently claims about 110 firm orders.) Once receiver manufacturers count 200 or 300 Harris stations, and only 50 or 60 Kahn stations, he said, they "will consider the battle over and begin building Harris receivers. Kahn was able to beat Harris off the starting line by making exciters available for testing three or four years ago and by being the first to file for type acceptance after the FCC authorized AM stereo broadcasting last March. The stations had varying reasons for turning the exciters on. Everybody wanted the promotional advantage of laying claim to be the first AM stereo broadcaster in his market and most also wanted to give a boost to AM stereo, which is seen by many as the savior of AM broadcasting. "We've looked forward to stereo for so darn long," said KMBZ's Walt Lockman, "that it's sort of a dream come true." AM stations have been steadily losing listenership over the past decade to their better-sounding FM competition, and it is hoped, as KHJ's Bob Kanner said, that AM stereo will "stem the tide." The shift to AM stereo will not only put AM broadcasters on a technical parity with FM, the AM stereo broadcasters felt, but also encourage manufacturers to make high-fidelity AM sets. The reason AM "sounds as muddy as it does," said Kanner, is due solely to the low quality receivers. "Only the audiophile will be able to tell the difference between AM stereo and FM stereo if the receivers are made properly," he said. High-fidelity AM receivers will "revolutionize" AM radio, agreed KTSA's Lee Randall, and their production will also be in the best interest of receiver manufacturers. "Someone is going to produce a high-fidelity receiver and that's the one who will make a lot of money." Not all the pioneer AM stereo broadcasters were completely committed to the Kahn system. Charles DeBare, president, ABC-owned AM stations, said the only reason WLS went on with the Kahn system was that the Kahn exciter is the only one available and type accepted. ABC "is not pushing one system over another," he said. "If another system ultimately proves superior to Kahn's," he said, "we would go with it." DeBare's comments were echoed by Kanner and Harrison Klein, director of radio engineering, Group W. Kanner said he still hasn't had a chance to test the Harris system. If another Los Angeles station goes on with Harris and it sounds better, he said, KHJ will switch. Although Group W will soon have three stations -- KDKA, WBZ and WOWO -- broadcasting at least occasionally with Kahn's exciter, Klein said that Group W will not commit to one until it has tested them all. (KDKA's premiere stereo broadcast lasted only 10 minutes, Klein said, because the station has to undergo some "technical fine adjustments" before it can make the permanent switch to stereo.) On the other hand, some of the stations said that their use of the Kahn system was indeed an endorsement of the Kahn technology. Dom Fioravanti, vice president, general sales manager, WNBC, said NBC's adoption of the Kahn system -- WNBC will go stereo within two weeks and the other NBC AM's will follow -- was based on the belief that the Kahn system was technically superior to the rest in terms of distortion and protection of the monaural coverage area. KTSA's Randall said his station is "strongly committed" to Kahn and expressed the hope that other stations would adopt the Kahn system. Although KMBZ's Lockman wants other stations in his market to follow his lead, he said he can't call them up and encourage them for fear of antitrust retaliation. (The National Association of Broadcasters has advised its members not to get together and agree on a system because of the antitrust implications.) Bruce Holberg of WFIL, which plans to go stereo with Kahn this week or next, would also like other Philadelphia stations to follow WFIL's lead, but so as not to lose the promotional edge hoped that they "would wait a respectable period of time." Regardless of how strongly they felt about the Kahn system becoming the standard, the broadcasters were pleased with its performance. WLS's John Gehron said the station has experienced no reduction in coverage or quality of the mono signal. "We did a lot of testing," he said, "and we are very pleased with the results." To hear the stereo, Gehron said, the station set up the separated mono radios. "It sounds great," he said. The quality isn't there yet because of the limited frequency response and distortion of the sets, he said, "but the stereo effect -- the separation -- is, and that's very important." Not only has KMBZ gotten word back from its listeners that the two-radio receiver "sounds tremendous," said Lockman, but it has also received unexpected calls about improved mono reception. The broadcasters have different ideas about how to promote AM stereo. Because no receivers are yet available, some stations were taking a low-key approach, telling their listeners that they were in the stereo mode and leaving it at that. Kanner said KHJ is not even mentioning the two-radio reception to prevent listeners from getting the wrong idea about what AM stereo sound can and should be. Other stations, despite the lack of receivers, have decided to promote their novel capability heavily. KMBZ's Lockman said the station reminds its listeners repeatedly that it is broadcasting in stereo and explains four times an hour how to set up the two-radio receiver. KTSA's engineers were working on prototype receivers, Randall said, so that the station can demonstrate stereo at locations throughout San Antonio. To kill two birds, Randall said some of the demos could be set up on the premises of advertisers. If Harris receives its type acceptance shortly, the country will be faced with the prospect of multiple stereo systems, creating confusion in the minds of receiver manufacturers, broadcasters and the public. How it will all shake out is anybody's guess. What is certain is that broadcasting will see a lot more firsts in the coming months. So far, KDKA is the first AM stereo station, KTSA is the first regular AM stereo station and on Sept. 5 KSL says it will become the first AM station to broadcast in stereo a live musical event: the Mormon Tabernacle Choir on the 50th anniversary of KSL's affiliation with CBS and CBS's carriage of the choir. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 22:34:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91087 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 06:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 06:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 06:34:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 06:34:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 06:34:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 541 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.249 Subject: Re: DRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > DRM claims they can combine digital with long-distance reception of > AM. Is that possible, or only when everyone is listening on DRM digital > radios? I notice they also mention low battery consumption. It is indeed DXable, but as you would expect, not infallable. Here is a site of DRM DX reception in New Zealand, with MP3 and RealAudio samples that can be downloaded or streamed. http://www.owdjim.gen.nz/chris/radio/DRM/DRM.html Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 23:01:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65009 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 07:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 07:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 07:01:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 07:01:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:01:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2629 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.249 Subject: Re: Stereo oldies- Checklists and wishlists X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Sounds good Amy. I hope Kevin T is watching his email and can chime in on > some suggestions. I'd say if he says it's okay, let's post them to the > list. That way if someone happens to stumble over the message and says "Oh > hey, I have that!"....especially if it's someone that usually lurks or > something.....that might lead to more findings for all of us. As I said, I > don't want this all to venture too far off topic, although it is stereo. > Stereo oldies more or less. 1980 is probably a good cut-off date. I know > most of us are talking about stereo oldies. I'm all for whatever helps those of us who like stereo and/or long versions find what we're look,ing for, or find something we didn't know existed. :) Somer might want to fudge a bit around that date, but it's still a goot reference point. :) And of course, we all look for something a bit different, like oldies- Early and classic R&B and rock & roll, soul, funk, Top-40, album & prog rock, even (gulp! I admit to this??) DISCO. :) Others like country or jazz, or..who knows? We'll see. :) I love my oldies. I love most music. :) > BTW, Amy...your 96 Tears is posted in the new "stereo versions" folder on > the FTP site. Thanks! :) Happily downloaded. :) > Been searching and searching for "expressway to your heart" by the Soul > Survivors for ya. I know we had the stereo version on a CD in our > library...."Dick Bartley's One-Hit Wonders" was the CD...don't remember if > it was vol 1 or 2. But anyways....our PD took all those cd's and compiled > just the hits on recordables so that our FM is more space-efficient now. > All cds are full and all on those cds are playable. Anyways..I think he did > do the oldies CDs as well so hopefully that song is in the oldies library. > If not, the owner might have taken the oldies CDs to his house or another > station. Anyways....I won't give up til I find it for ya. I used to play > it all the time when we were oldies and the stereo version is great! That > CD also had the stereo version/long version of Hang On Sloopy on it. A thousand hugs and squeeks for the effort! :) I look forward to that, and anything else that comes along. :) AM stereo is now ours- Those of us, whom regardless of the Industry, care enough for analog stereo goodness on AM to persevere, broadcasting and listening in STEREO with our favorite music and sports. :) Long live C-QUAM, longt may it bounce off our ionosphere for generations to come! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Proud to be a stereo rebel!) From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Jan 19 00:57:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72907 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 08:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 08:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 08:57:30 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C1F6729DD for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B87C0C3BE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:49:32 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040117222420.02fe25e0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:25:37 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a lot of stereo oldies. I am in love with them! I think it would be cool to have a place for AM Stereo oldies. I would upload whatever I had!@ At 03:04 AM 01/18/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Wondering if anyone is interested in this: > >Is there enough Web space at the AM Stereo FTP site to accommodate a folder for rare >Stereo Oldies mp3's? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Jan 19 00:57:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54286 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 08:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 08:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 08:57:32 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C972729DF for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66897C0C727 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040119014315.01cabe98@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:44:13 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Kahn X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any Kahn stations broadcasting? I find that the Kahn aircheck for KHJ sounds better then the Sony SRF-42. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Jan 19 06:05:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9392 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 14:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 14:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 14:05:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 14:05:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:05:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 334 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.25.116 Subject: OT: AUSTRALIA LIVE!! recording from 1988 ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I wonder if anyone has got a full (stereo?) recording of this in their VHS archive. The US version was not shown live and was re=packaged apparently It was a 4 hour program broadcast in Jan 1988 shown in Australia the UK and a few other countries live to mark the 200 year bi-centinary. Ray Martin and Clive James co-presented.. From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jan 19 06:29:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29860 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 14:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 14:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 14:29:23 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:29:00 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c3de98$9483d990$5401010a@AM> To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040117222420.02fe25e0@pop.GameBox.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:29:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy, and others.... Expressway to Your Heart by the Soul Survivors is now uploaded to the AM Stereo FTP site at ftp.amstereoradio.com . I ripped this from the compilation CD in our FM library.....Bill (PD) says he THINKS this is the version off of the Dick Bartley CD. You can hear some degree of stereo separation. More of a reverb type than actual separation with instruments and vocals, though. I could have sworn the true stereo version was more separated than this. It does sound better than the absolute mono version, though. I will keep searching and if I find the true stereo version I'll let ya all know! Uploaded to the "stereo versions" folder inside "uploads". Keep those cool oldies rarities coming! Michael - admin - AM Stereo FTP Site [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Jan 19 07:07:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78450 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 15:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 15:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 15:07:03 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i0JF72aX054634 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:07:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004401c3de9d$e7511bb0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:02:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ wrote: > I know "Suspicions" is in stereo- the "Good Time Oldies" network > plays it. They also play a stereo version of "Dancing in the > Moonlight" by King Harvest that I have been unable to find. :( I have > a few stereo versions that they don't have, such as the McCoys' "Hang > On Sloopy" and Paul Revere's "Kicks", but I have been looking for > stereo versions of "Expressway To Your Heart" (I forget by whom) > and "Two Faces Have I" by Lou Christie (which I have heard), and MJR, > I'm very interested in the stereo version of ? and the > Mysterions' "96 Tears"- I have been searching for that, too! (I do > have the stereo version somewhere here of "Dirty Water", just got to > find it.) I would love to hear a stereo version of 96 Tears, and I would really love to hear a stereo version of Dancin' In The Moonlight. If any of you actually get your hands on it, let me know . From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jan 19 07:10:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20072 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 15:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 15:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 15:10:13 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:10:13 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c3de9e$5613e7d0$5401010a@AM> To: References: <004401c3de9d$e7511bb0$6401a8c0@jimspc> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:10:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim 96 Tears is already uploaded to the FTP site. ftp.amstereoradio.com . It's in the uploads/stereo versions/ folder. Enjoy! MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 8:02 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ wrote: > I know "Suspicions" is in stereo- the "Good Time Oldies" network > plays it. They also play a stereo version of "Dancing in the > Moonlight" by King Harvest that I have been unable to find. :( I have > a few stereo versions that they don't have, such as the McCoys' "Hang > On Sloopy" and Paul Revere's "Kicks", but I have been looking for > stereo versions of "Expressway To Your Heart" (I forget by whom) > and "Two Faces Have I" by Lou Christie (which I have heard), and MJR, > I'm very interested in the stereo version of ? and the > Mysterions' "96 Tears"- I have been searching for that, too! (I do > have the stereo version somewhere here of "Dirty Water", just got to > find it.) I would love to hear a stereo version of 96 Tears, and I would really love to hear a stereo version of Dancin' In The Moonlight. If any of you actually get your hands on it, let me know . Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Jan 19 09:18:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36616 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 17:17:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 17:17:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 17:17:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 17:16:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:16:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c3de98$9483d990$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 944 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Tsk tsk . . . both tracks that have been uploaded -- "96 Tears" and "Expressway to Your Heart" -- are just the mono recordings electronically doctored up. Hint: Very few hit recordings were done in a tin can. If it sounds like it was (as "96 Tears" does here) then somebody's probably in their basement messing with a stereo faker box. Based on its history, I would suspect "96 Tears" was cut full track mono, so no true stereo version can exist. "Expressway" at least sounds like it was done professionally, and preserves a reasonable facsimile of the original tonal balance. Too bad they added reverb. A true stereo "Expressway" should be out there somewhere. I'll root around in my collection and see what I can come up with. I'm VERY anxious to hear this alleged stereo mix of "La Bamba." Again, I wouldn't think Norman Petty's studio would have stereo capability at the time, but I'm sure willing to be proven wrong. From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Jan 19 09:48:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18210 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 17:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 17:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 17:48:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 17:46:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:46:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 371 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud As long as I'm here being the Stereo Curmudgeon, I'll put in a shout for a couple of supposedly genuine stereo versions I wish I had, from the Brill Building HQ of Dimension Records . . . Little Eva's "The Locomotion" and Carole King's "It Might As Well Rain Until September" (the latter of which may have actually been recorded in a tin can, come to think of it). From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 09:52:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7370 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 17:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 17:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 17:52:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 17:51:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:51:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 762 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: OT: AUSTRALIA LIVE!! recording from 1988 ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > I wonder if anyone has got a full (stereo?) recording of this in > their VHS archive. The US version was not shown live and was > re=packaged apparently > > It was a 4 hour program broadcast in Jan 1988 shown in Australia the > UK and a few other countries live to mark the 200 year bi- centinary. > Ray Martin and Clive James co-presented.. Seems like it was '86, and I -did- see it live, here, even though it was very early in the morning. One thing I remember was live VIDEO vis shortwave(!) from an Australian science station in Antarctica, using a very compressed video format developed by Sony. Unfortunately, I didn't record it. Was a fun party, though. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 10:09:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2765 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 18:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 18:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 18:08:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20040119180851.98887.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.101] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:08:51 PST Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:08:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.88 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > DRM claims they can combine digital with > long-distance reception of > AM. Is that possible, or only when everyone is > listening on DRM digital > radios? I notice they also mention low battery > consumption. DRM is currently being used a bit on short wave, that is one of the features. The original IBOC codec was supposed to be the same, but Ibiquity decided not to use it so they could extort fees from the users. There is DRM software you CAN dowload and use if your radio meets certain criteria. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jan 19 10:43:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82162 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 18:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 18:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 18:43:10 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:42:49 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:44:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Narkspud! I was hoping you were still lurking somewhere. I know you're pretty much the authority on all this stuff. Glad you can field questions on all this stuff. I didn't know there was a true stereo version of "the locomotion" but now that gives me something new to look for! Any little gems you'd care to share with us? Michael -----Original Message----- From: narkspud [mailto:narkspud@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:47 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies As long as I'm here being the Stereo Curmudgeon, I'll put in a shout for a couple of supposedly genuine stereo versions I wish I had, from the Brill Building HQ of Dimension Records . . . Little Eva's "The Locomotion" and Carole King's "It Might As Well Rain Until September" (the latter of which may have actually been recorded in a tin can, come to think of it). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 10:44:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2773 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 18:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 18:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 18:42:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 18:41:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:41:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2145 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > Tsk tsk . . . both tracks that have been uploaded -- "96 Tears" and > "Expressway to Your Heart" -- are just the mono recordings electronically > doctored up. "96 Tears" is definitely in stereo, but you're correct about "Expressway", unfortunately. :( This is the same "stereo" mix" I have found on KaZaA (Lite), and was just as disappointed. :( (Thanks, MJR, for trying. Really appreciated.) > Hint: Very few hit recordings were done in a tin can. If it sounds like it was (as > "96 Tears" does here) then somebody's probably in their basement "96 Tears" was, chances are, recorded cheaply, with non- discrete "budget" microphones, as the sound is as if it was entirely done in one take on two mics in fairly close proximity. I have heard garage-band recordings well up into the 80s that sounded like this- It really isn't that unusual. Chances are, this is the RAW, unEQed "studio" recording, later "enhanced" for mono 45 release. messing > with a stereo faker box. Based on its history, I would suspect "96 Tears" was > cut full track mono, so no true stereo version can exist. "Expressway" at least > sounds like it was done professionally, and preserves a reasonable facsimile > of the original tonal balance. Too bad they added reverb. As I said previously, this was indeed a typical "rechannelled stereo" mix, which was pretty common to do with recordings they only have mono copies of. > A true stereo "Expressway" should be out there somewhere. I'll root around in > my collection and see what I can come up with. I'm pretty sure I have heard a true stereo version of "Expressway", as well. > I'm VERY anxious to hear this alleged stereo mix of "La Bamba." Again, I > wouldn't think Norman Petty's studio would have stereo capability at the time, > but I'm sure willing to be proven wrong. One, it wasn't recorded at Norm Petty's, but rather, it was at Bob Keane's own studio in the LA area, using his own technique. I'll see if I can MP3 it before someone else (MJR, let's say) beats me to it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 10:48:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99476 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 18:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 18:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 18:48:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 18:46:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:46:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004401c3de9d$e7511bb0$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 484 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > I would love to hear a stereo version of 96 Tears, and I would really love > to hear a stereo version of Dancin' In The Moonlight. The stereo version of "Dancing.." isn't so obvious, since most of it is mono or near mono- It really jumps out when the chorus part is sung. "Good Time Oldies" has been playing this version lately, and I have been looking for ANY stereo version for YEARS! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jan 19 10:59:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11194 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 18:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 18:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 18:59:41 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:59:41 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:01:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Good Time Oldies" a service of Jones Radio Networks :) Therefore, yes I checked in studio one day since we run Jones' lite AC format during the day here. And sure enough when they were playing "dancing" I heard the stereo separation too. So I imagine it's in the main library of music that all of the Jones networks have. I've been down to the studios several times. I don't think it's TM Century that they use, although I seem to recall some TM Century HitDiscs as I was going through the library in the Adult Hit Radio studio that night. But it seems a few years ago when Jones bought Broadcast Programming in Seattle, they converted all of their libraries over to the BP libraries. Broadcast Programming had been providing music libraries for quite a few years. So at that point they brought in the BP library and dropped the TMCentury HitDisc services. Something like that anyway. Will search around and see what I can come up with. I should have checked OUR copy of "dancing" this morning and seen if it was the stereo version. It may be. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:47 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > I would love to hear a stereo version of 96 Tears, and I would really love > to hear a stereo version of Dancin' In The Moonlight. The stereo version of "Dancing.." isn't so obvious, since most of it is mono or near mono- It really jumps out when the chorus part is sung. "Good Time Oldies" has been playing this version lately, and I have been looking for ANY stereo version for YEARS! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 11:17:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30791 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 19:17:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 19:17:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 19:17:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 19:16:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:16:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1337 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > "96 Tears" was, chances are, recorded cheaply, with non- > discrete "budget" microphones, as the sound is as if it was entirely > done in one take on two mics in fairly close proximity. That's what I hear -- it's not really "stereo", but rather "dual- channel", with only microphone leakage serving to create the phantom "center channel". I bet they recorded the two mikes on separate tracks with the intention of adjusting the levels to create the best-sounding mono "mix-down", and never intended for each channel to be heard on its own. This is similar to how the "unauthorized" stereo versions of early Beatles songs were created. Meanwhile, I have added a few songs to the FTP site: * Beach Boys - Good Vibrations - probably not a "true" stereo mix, but very good nonetheless. * Procol Harum - A Whiter Shade of Pale - true stereo version with studio introduction. * Steely Dan - Rikki, Don't Lose That Number - quadraphonic version (not too useful these days, but it might sound interesting when played through a Hafler-matrixed or Dolby Surround sound system.) * Del Amitri - Roll To Me - original "wide stereo" album version (most stations play the Radio Edit which lacks the wide stereo effect). * Billy Joel - Where's The Orchestra? - perhaps his only "wide stereo" song, recorded from the original LP. From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jan 19 11:19:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87500 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 19:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 19:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 19:19:42 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:19:40 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:21:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And here it is :) Uploaded for your listening pleasure in the uploads/stereo versions folder. I had forgotten how clean and great this sounds. 256kb MP3 file. Unedited with full studio chatter and so forth at the beginning :) Enjoy! Michael -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:41 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies > I'm VERY anxious to hear this alleged stereo mix of "La Bamba." Again, I > wouldn't think Norman Petty's studio would have stereo capability at the time, > but I'm sure willing to be proven wrong. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 11:24:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49101 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 19:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 19:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 19:24:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 19:23:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:23:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 273 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 Subject: Denon TU-680NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, What are the thoughts concerning the Denon TU-680NAB? Is this a well-built tuner? How is FM reception? I have read some posts concerning bad reliability. If there is a problem is there a common failure mode or is it bad alignment? Best regards, Paul Bigelow From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Jan 19 11:33:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54802 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 19:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 19:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 19:33:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 19:32:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:32:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1413 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > Thanks Narkspud! I was hoping you were still lurking somewhere. I just dropped in! (To see what condition my condition was in?) > I didn't know there was a true stereo version > of "the locomotion" but now that gives me something new to look for! I've never heard it myself, but I keep reading about it. Such things drive me bananas. > Any little gems you'd care to share with us? Let's just say that, were I to decide to upload any MP3's to an FTP site, I wouldn't be drawing attention to the fact that I was the one that did it. Kay? Concerning "96 Tears" - nope, not changing my opinion. It's the mono recording, doctored. They've delayed the left channel and done some extreme notch filtering to emphasize the bass on the left and organ on the right, but that ain't stereo, kids. The doubled-sounding vocal is the giveaway-- "96 Tears" did NOT have a doubled vocal. You couldn't create a mono version from that MP3 if you tried--the flanging created by the delay would make it worthless. The original recording is very clean (even a bit sterile, actually) and has none of the metallic effect of this one. This delay-and-EQ method is the one employed by most internet amateur stereo fakers, and while it is occasionally able to make an instrument or two sound like it's off to one side or the other, bottom line is, it sounds like horsepoop. I'll stick with the mono, thanks. From rkhester@up-link.net Mon Jan 19 11:36:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63564 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 19:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 19:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 19:36:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 19:33:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:33:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 196 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 170.94.116.114 Subject: Sony SRF-A300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 I have a new Sony SRF-A300 AM STEREO radio on the way to the USA. Anyone know anything about them? I have heard that the fm doen't cover our band but I am getting it for the AM side. Richard From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 11:54:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19609 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 19:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 19:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41211.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 19:54:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20040119195438.93811.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.226] by web41211.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:54:38 PST Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:54:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.44 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-A300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Yes theyre worth it and go to 92 as I can get "More FM" 91.8 on mine and the AM goes to about 1629 on mine and is extremely a good dx radio let alone it makes even mono ones sound good in AM and is a fraction bigger than the SRF A100 radio and looks good too. Michael --- Richard_K_Hester wrote: > I have a new Sony SRF-A300 AM STEREO radio on the > way to the USA. > Anyone know anything about them? I have heard that > the fm doen't > cover our band but I am getting it for the AM side. > Richard > > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 12:41:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28648 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 20:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 20:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 20:41:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 20:40:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:40:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1179 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > "96 Tears" was, chances are, recorded cheaply, with non- > > discrete "budget" microphones, as the sound is as if it was entirely > > done in one take on two mics in fairly close proximity. > > That's what I hear -- it's not really "stereo", but rather "dual- > channel", with only microphone leakage serving to create the phantom > "center channel". I bet they recorded the two mikes on separate > tracks with the intention of adjusting the levels to create the > best-sounding mono "mix-down", and never intended for each channel to > be heard on its own. This is similar to how the "unauthorized" stereo > versions of early Beatles songs were created. Quite correct about "96 Tears", but it's still "stereo" in my book. :) As for the Beatles' early EMI recordings, I wouldn't so much say "unauthorized", since I've heard "Good Time Oldies" play them- Just that George Martin made it difficult for the consumer by insisting the first four Beatles albums be released in mono for CD, even though the stereo pressings have been available on LP and tape for years. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Mon Jan 19 12:45:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15450 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 20:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 20:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 20:45:53 -0000 Received: from dialup-67.31.194.237.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([67.31.194.237] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AigHQ-00035X-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:45:53 -0800 Message-ID: <400C4204.A84D6069@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:45:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.12 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU-680NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I have one, and on AM it's somewhat susceptible to electrical interference noises (for instance, buzzing, etc.) Other than that, it seems to work ok. Unfortunately, we no longer have AMS here in Tampa. Dick W. pabigelow wrote: > Hello, > > What are the thoughts concerning the Denon TU-680NAB? > > Is this a well-built tuner? > > How is FM reception? > > I have read some posts concerning bad reliability. If there is a > problem is there a common failure mode or is it bad alignment? > > Best regards, > > Paul Bigelow > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Jan 19 12:49:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57185 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 20:49:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 20:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 20:49:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 20:49:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:49:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1057 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.7.212 Subject: Re: OT: AUSTRALIA LIVE!! recording from 1988 ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > I wonder if anyone has got a full (stereo?) recording of this in > > their VHS archive. The US version was not shown live and was > > re=packaged apparently > > > > It was a 4 hour program broadcast in Jan 1988 shown in Australia > the > > UK and a few other countries live to mark the 200 year bi- > centinary. > > Ray Martin and Clive James co-presented.. > > Seems like it was '86, and I -did- see it live, here, even though it > was very early in the morning. One thing I remember was live VIDEO > vis shortwave(!) from an Australian science station in Antarctica, > using a very compressed video format developed by Sony. > Unfortunately, I didn't record it. Was a fun party, though. > Ahh great stuff but it was 1988 though - had to be anyway 200 year bi- cen and all that.. Yes the clip you mention I have, can upload somewhere if anyone is bothered, goes on a bit though perhaps From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Jan 19 13:16:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48576 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 21:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 21:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 21:16:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 21:16:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:16:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 755 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > * Beach Boys - Good Vibrations - probably not a "true" stereo mix, but > very good nonetheless. This and "La Bamba" are done from two track masters with one track being vocals and the other being the instrumental backing. They've put the band in simulated stereo and placed the vocal in mono over the top. Technically not stereo, but not exactly 100% fake stereo either, since it does create a definite placement of the vocal in the stereo field. In any case, it proves that "La Bamba" WAS done on at least a 2-track system. Shows what I know . . . "Good Vibrations" goes into true stereo at the fadeout. > * Procol Harum - A Whiter Shade of Pale - true stereo version with > studio introduction. Interesting! Hadn't heard this before. From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Jan 19 13:43:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6973 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 21:43:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 21:43:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 21:43:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 21:43:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:43:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3158 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >As for the Beatles' early EMI recordings, I wouldn't so much > say "unauthorized", since I've heard "Good Time Oldies" play them- > Just that George Martin made it difficult for the consumer by > insisting the first four Beatles albums be released in mono for CD, > even though the stereo pressings have been available on LP and tape > for years. I'll go further than that. If Sir George seriously thought that EMI wasn't going to do stereo mixes of the Beatles' LPs, he had rocks in his head, particularly after they did the first one. He might not have been happy about it, but he knew darn well they were gonna happen. And "Beatles for Sale" had some nice stereo mixes on it! (So did "Please Please Me," but that was more thanks to leakage and the economies of one-take recording than to any engineering/ production finesse. BTW, the stereo version of the song "Please Please Me" is a different take, a botched one on which John and Paul sang different lyrics on the last verse.) You have to remember that until the early 70s, the mono mix was the important one, cause it was the one heard on Top 40 radio, and on all the 45s. Most of the effort went into the mono, and the stereo was quite literally an afterthought, as in "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it." As a result, most producers and engineers weren't even attempting to record their session tapes in a manner suitable for stereo mixing. It was up to the mix guy to try and come up with a viable stereo mix with what he was given. The stereo mix was often done by a different person, working in a different studio, and he might not have even heard the mono version he was allegedly trying to match. Some labels (mid-60s Philips/Mercury springs to mind) often wouldn't even go to the expense of a stereo mixing session, they'd just run the mono tape through whatever black box they happen to have handy that day. Others (like Motown) would let the interns do the stereo version, saving the expert engineers for the single mixes. That's why us audiophile types cringe when we hear some of the "celebrated" wide-stereo versions such as Phil Spector's productions for the Righteous Brothers. The ONLY reason they sound the way they do is because the mix engineer had NOTHING to work with on the session tape, and this was the best he could do. When folks do new stereo mixes (like the "Good Vibrations" one) they still have the same old problems. If Brian Wilson (who is deaf in one ear) mixed the entire instrumental bed onto a single channel (which he did), they have three choices . . . leave it mono, pan it off to the side, or run it through a box. None of these choices results in an authentic stereo field. Personally, I prefer leaving it mono, since it best preserves the integrity of Mr. Wilson's original intent, but YMMV. Whether or not the stereo version is ever "authorized" is a matter of one's definition. Since the record company owns the tapes and the copyrights, one can say that any officially released version is "authorized." The producers and artists might not be happy with it, but that's their tough luck. From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 13:52:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33248 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 21:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 21:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 21:52:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 21:50:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:50:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <400C4204.A84D6069@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1340 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU-680NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, Thanks for responding! No more AMS in Tampa? That's a shame. Not too much in Texas but there are still a few -- and one that even plays music! Doesn't the 680NAB have a noise blanker to cut down on certain types of electrical impulse noise? Kind regards, Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Dick W wrote: > I have one, and on AM it's somewhat susceptible to electrical > interference noises (for instance, buzzing, etc.) Other than that, it > seems to work ok. Unfortunately, we no longer have AMS here in Tampa. > Dick W. > > > pabigelow wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > What are the thoughts concerning the Denon TU-680NAB? > > > > Is this a well-built tuner? > > > > How is FM reception? > > > > I have read some posts concerning bad reliability. If there is a > > problem is there a common failure mode or is it bad alignment? > > > > Best regards, > > > > Paul Bigelow > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 14:05:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76186 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 22:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 22:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 22:05:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 22:05:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:05:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4510 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Capitol/EMI has been very careful to note that the new "authorized" Beach Boys stereo mixes have been approved by Brian Wilson. These mixes were reconstructed from sync'ed up, phased locked, multitracks of both the vocal and instrumental sessions. If Brian likes them -- good enough for me. On the flip side... There are some unauthorized "stereo mixes" creatively done by sampling and by taking already available stereo backing tracks (Stack- O-Tracks, bootleg Sea of Tunes, etc.). These folks have created stereo mixes by very, very, carefully sampling out riffs and beats, repeating them, and then reconstructing somewhat interesting stereo- sounding mixes (Digitally Extracted Stereo: DES) but these are in no way authentic but just interesting excercies in sampling. Thankfully, with the arrival of CDs, record labels have reassessed the value of the priceless session tapes (mono and multitrack) and have been working to conserve and restore them. Pick up the Bear Family Records (Germany) eight-CD set of Ricky Nelson if you want to hear great old stereo and songs you *never* thought you would ever hear in stereo. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > >As for the Beatles' early EMI recordings, I wouldn't so much > > say "unauthorized", since I've heard "Good Time Oldies" play them- > > Just that George Martin made it difficult for the consumer by > > insisting the first four Beatles albums be released in mono for CD, > > even though the stereo pressings have been available on LP and tape > > for years. > > I'll go further than that. If Sir George seriously thought that EMI wasn't going to > do stereo mixes of the Beatles' LPs, he had rocks in his head, particularly after > they did the first one. He might not have been happy about it, but he knew > darn well they were gonna happen. And "Beatles for Sale" had some nice > stereo mixes on it! (So did "Please Please Me," but that was more thanks to > leakage and the economies of one-take recording than to any engineering/ > production finesse. BTW, the stereo version of the song "Please Please Me" > is a different take, a botched one on which John and Paul sang different lyrics > on the last verse.) > > You have to remember that until the early 70s, the mono mix was the > important one, cause it was the one heard on Top 40 radio, and on all the > 45s. Most of the effort went into the mono, and the stereo was quite literally > an afterthought, as in "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it." As a result, > most producers and engineers weren't even attempting to record their session > tapes in a manner suitable for stereo mixing. It was up to the mix guy to try > and come up with a viable stereo mix with what he was given. The stereo mix > was often done by a different person, working in a different studio, and he > might not have even heard the mono version he was allegedly trying to > match. Some labels (mid-60s Philips/Mercury springs to mind) often wouldn't > even go to the expense of a stereo mixing session, they'd just run the mono > tape through whatever black box they happen to have handy that day. Others > (like Motown) would let the interns do the stereo version, saving the expert > engineers for the single mixes. > > That's why us audiophile types cringe when we hear some of the "celebrated" > wide-stereo versions such as Phil Spector's productions for the Righteous > Brothers. The ONLY reason they sound the way they do is because the mix > engineer had NOTHING to work with on the session tape, and this was the > best he could do. > > When folks do new stereo mixes (like the "Good Vibrations" one) they still > have the same old problems. If Brian Wilson (who is deaf in one ear) mixed > the entire instrumental bed onto a single channel (which he did), they have > three choices . . . leave it mono, pan it off to the side, or run it through a box. > None of these choices results in an authentic stereo field. Personally, I prefer > leaving it mono, since it best preserves the integrity of Mr. Wilson's original > intent, but YMMV. > > Whether or not the stereo version is ever "authorized" is a matter of one's > definition. Since the record company owns the tapes and the copyrights, one > can say that any officially released version is "authorized." The producers > and artists might not be happy with it, but that's their tough luck. From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 14:19:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58308 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 22:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 22:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 22:19:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 22:19:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:19:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5323 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow One more item. There has never, ever been an authorized stereo mix of the hit version of "Good Vibrations" (with vocals). There have been amateur reconstructions of what the song might sound like using available stereo mixes of backing instrumental tracks and patching in vocals. Not all "stereo" these days are authentic (that is, constructed from mutli-track session tapes) -- especially in the days of MP3, cheap PC mixing software, people with time on their hands, and file swapping. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" wrote: > Capitol/EMI has been very careful to note that the new "authorized" > Beach Boys stereo mixes have been approved by Brian Wilson. These > mixes were reconstructed from sync'ed up, phased locked, multitracks > of both the vocal and instrumental sessions. If Brian likes them -- > good enough for me. > > On the flip side... > > There are some unauthorized "stereo mixes" creatively done by > sampling and by taking already available stereo backing tracks (Stack- > O-Tracks, bootleg Sea of Tunes, etc.). These folks have created > stereo mixes by very, very, carefully sampling out riffs and beats, > repeating them, and then reconstructing somewhat interesting stereo- > sounding mixes (Digitally Extracted Stereo: DES) but these are in no > way authentic but just interesting excercies in sampling. > > Thankfully, with the arrival of CDs, record labels have reassessed > the value of the priceless session tapes (mono and multitrack) and > have been working to conserve and restore them. > > Pick up the Bear Family Records (Germany) eight-CD set of Ricky > Nelson if you want to hear great old stereo and songs you *never* > thought you would ever hear in stereo. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" > wrote: > > >As for the Beatles' early EMI recordings, I wouldn't so much > > > say "unauthorized", since I've heard "Good Time Oldies" play them- > > > > Just that George Martin made it difficult for the consumer by > > > insisting the first four Beatles albums be released in mono for > CD, > > > even though the stereo pressings have been available on LP and > tape > > > for years. > > > > I'll go further than that. If Sir George seriously thought that > EMI wasn't going to > > do stereo mixes of the Beatles' LPs, he had rocks in his head, > particularly after > > they did the first one. He might not have been happy about it, but > he knew > > darn well they were gonna happen. And "Beatles for Sale" had some > nice > > stereo mixes on it! (So did "Please Please Me," but that was more > thanks to > > leakage and the economies of one-take recording than to any > engineering/ > > production finesse. BTW, the stereo version of the song "Please > Please Me" > > is a different take, a botched one on which John and Paul sang > different lyrics > > on the last verse.) > > > > You have to remember that until the early 70s, the mono mix was the > > important one, cause it was the one heard on Top 40 radio, and on > all the > > 45s. Most of the effort went into the mono, and the stereo was > quite literally > > an afterthought, as in "we'll cross that bridge when we come to > it." As a result, > > most producers and engineers weren't even attempting to record > their session > > tapes in a manner suitable for stereo mixing. It was up to the mix > guy to try > > and come up with a viable stereo mix with what he was given. The > stereo mix > > was often done by a different person, working in a different > studio, and he > > might not have even heard the mono version he was allegedly trying > to > > match. Some labels (mid-60s Philips/Mercury springs to mind) often > wouldn't > > even go to the expense of a stereo mixing session, they'd just run > the mono > > tape through whatever black box they happen to have handy that > day. Others > > (like Motown) would let the interns do the stereo version, saving > the expert > > engineers for the single mixes. > > > > That's why us audiophile types cringe when we hear some of > the "celebrated" > > wide-stereo versions such as Phil Spector's productions for the > Righteous > > Brothers. The ONLY reason they sound the way they do is because > the mix > > engineer had NOTHING to work with on the session tape, and this was > the > > best he could do. > > > > When folks do new stereo mixes (like the "Good Vibrations" one) > they still > > have the same old problems. If Brian Wilson (who is deaf in one > ear) mixed > > the entire instrumental bed onto a single channel (which he did), > they have > > three choices . . . leave it mono, pan it off to the side, or run > it through a box. > > None of these choices results in an authentic stereo field. > Personally, I prefer > > leaving it mono, since it best preserves the integrity of Mr. > Wilson's original > > intent, but YMMV. > > > > Whether or not the stereo version is ever "authorized" is a matter > of one's > > definition. Since the record company owns the tapes and the > copyrights, one > > can say that any officially released version is "authorized." The > producers > > and artists might not be happy with it, but that's their tough luck. From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Mon Jan 19 14:45:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84488 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 22:45:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 22:45:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 22:45:46 -0000 Received: from dialup-67.31.195.221.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([67.31.195.221] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Aii9S-0001DR-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:45:46 -0800 Message-ID: <400C5E1D.C882A5FF@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:45:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.12 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU-680NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunately, I didn't get an instruction booklet with mine (several years ago), and I'm not sure about all of the functions. Dick W. pabigelow wrote: > Hello, > > Thanks for responding! No more AMS in Tampa? That's a shame. Not > too much in Texas but there are still a few -- and one that even > plays music! > > Doesn't the 680NAB have a noise blanker to cut down on certain types > of electrical impulse noise? > > Kind regards, > > Paul Bigelow [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jan 19 14:49:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37857 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 22:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 22:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 22:49:38 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:49:37 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:51:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounding good gang. Kudos to whoever uploaded the "wide" stereo version of "Return To Sender". I heard our Classic Country network play it one day (I was listening in AM Stereo of course! :) ) and thought "Wow!! Great separation on that version! I want that!" Now I got it ! Also love the wide stereo version of "Roll To Me". No that's not an oldie, but such a rarity these days to have something THAT wide. We don't have it in our library. Thanks, Kevin. Enjoyed the "whiter shade of pale" as well.......although it sorta sounds like a remake to me. Anybody else get that feeling? I haven't actually played it side-by-side with the mono version to see if there's any difference, but I'm not sure. Awesome stereo if it is indeed the original. Fun stuff Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Mon Jan 19 14:53:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6269 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 22:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 22:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 22:53:45 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0JMrhKY018260 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:53:44 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:53:43 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: AUSTRALIA LIVE!! recording from 1988 ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Dave wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > > > > Seems like it was '86, and I -did- see it live, here, even though > > it was very early in the morning. > > Ahh great stuff but it was 1988 though - had to be anyway 200 year bi- > cen and all that.. Yes the clip you mention I have, can upload > somewhere if anyone is bothered, goes on a bit though perhaps Yes - Dave's correct. It was the 200th anniverary of Capt Arthur Phillip raising the union (jack) flag of England at Sydney Cove. Many of us here refer to Australia Day as Invasion Day - a stupid divisive thing to celebrate. It was a great show and covered the entire country. I wish I'd taped it. The Julie Anthony rendition of Advance Australia Fair (the national anthem) sung in fromt of Parliament House, Canberra has become the default version played at sporting events - if they're not going to do it live. Very inspiring. Ian From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jan 19 15:26:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10416 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 23:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 23:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 23:26:20 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.212]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:33:06 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c3dee3$6b153400$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:24:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 One of the most dramatic stereo recordings IMO is Roy Orbison's "Running Scared", which starts off in mono, and breaks into full, wide stereo. Also, I have Dion & The Belmonts from the original Bell Labs Reel to reel tapes, burned to a CD- These were true stereo, and I would guess "Sandy" is the best one. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jan 19 15:30:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16246 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 23:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 23:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 23:30:37 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.212]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:37:19 -0500 Message-ID: <003201c3dee4$01bed820$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:28:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Recordings with "built in" distortion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 How about records that were recorded WAY over-modulated? "Go Now" by the Moody Blues comes to mind. When that song hit the airwaves, the shop I worked at after school was overrun with radios and record players from people complaining that this song was distorted. It DID sound like hell.... even on the radio. Any other examples? (oh- one other, but I may be the only 1 that has ever heard it- "Sailor/ La Luna" by Lolita on Kapp records) Chris From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Jan 19 16:14:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66281 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 00:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 00:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 00:14:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 00:14:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:13:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201c3dee4$01bed820$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 527 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: Recordings with "built in" distortion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > How about records that were recorded WAY over-modulated? Two legendary cases that kept record stores busy with returned 45's: "Revolution" by The Beatles, and "The Kids Are Alright" by the Who. Actually, the Who did that a lot. Others: "Hide and Go Seek" by Bunker Hill "The Fly" by Chubby Checker All Little Richard's Specialty recordings "Snow White" by the Devotions "My Girl She Sure Can Cook" by Jimmy Soul (this one's the hands-down champ) From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 16:31:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63314 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 00:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 00:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 00:31:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 00:31:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:31:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2905 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > You have to remember that until the early 70s, the mono mix was the > important one, cause it was the one heard on Top 40 radio, and on all the > 45s. Most of the effort went into the mono, and the stereo was quite literally > an afterthought, as in "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it." As a result, > most producers and engineers weren't even attempting to record their session > tapes in a manner suitable for stereo mixing. It was up to the mix guy to try > and come up with a viable stereo mix with what he was given. The stereo mix > was often done by a different person, working in a different studio, and he > might not have even heard the mono version he was allegedly trying to > match. Some labels (mid-60s Philips/Mercury springs to mind) often wouldn't > even go to the expense of a stereo mixing session, they'd just run the mono > tape through whatever black box they happen to have handy that day. Others > (like Motown) would let the interns do the stereo version, saving the expert > engineers for the single mixes. These are quite correct. However, some DID make serious efforts for stereo, especially early on. (By the mid '60s, they were already slacking badly, just to push product, largely.) > That's why us audiophile types cringe when we hear some of the "celebrated" > wide-stereo versions such as Phil Spector's productions for the Righteous > Brothers. The ONLY reason they sound the way they do is because the mix > engineer had NOTHING to work with on the session tape, and this was the > best he could do. It may not be "binaural" (which is what the "audiophiles" REALLY want), but for me, I would rather have the stereo just as-is. :) > When folks do new stereo mixes (like the "Good Vibrations" one) they still > have the same old problems. If Brian Wilson (who is deaf in one ear) mixed > the entire instrumental bed onto a single channel (which he did), they have > three choices . . . leave it mono, pan it off to the side, or run it through a box. > None of these choices results in an authentic stereo field. Personally, I prefer > leaving it mono, since it best preserves the integrity of Mr. Wilson's original > intent, but YMMV. If I'm not mistaken, "Pet Sounds" actually was recorded on a 4-track or 8-track recording setup, and much of the Boys' work at this time was already getting rather layered. As for Brian Wilson being deaf in one ear, just keep in mind of this: Beethoven was COMPLETELY deaf when he wrote his greatest masterpieces, but should that detract from creating something, using your mind, even if you don't have one or both ears? I don't think so. And just for the record, I'm partially deaf in one ear, but it doesn't stop me from appreciating, even enjoying, stereo. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Jan 19 16:33:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66020 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 00:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 00:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 00:33:46 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i0K0Xjxo078886 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:33:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001601c3deed$128dbc80$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:33:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > I orignally posted: > > I would love to hear a stereo version of 96 Tears, and I would > > really love > > to hear a stereo version of Dancin' In The Moonlight. > To which our favorite rodent (Amy. <:3 )~~8~) replied: > The stereo version of "Dancing.." isn't so obvious, since most of it > is mono or near mono- It really jumps out when the chorus part is > sung. "Good Time Oldies" has been playing this version lately, and I > have been looking for ANY stereo version for YEARS! Talk about irony... After I sent my previous post I left my house to head to work. On the way to work I punched up our local Oldies outlet and lo-and-behold they were playing Dancin' In The Moonlight, and the stereo mix no less. I played the original version when it was a hit 30 + years ago and that was the first time I have ever heard a stereo version. I called the Music Director and he said they got it from a TM Century Gold Disc. I'm going to 'borrow it' long enough to rip the cut and save it for myself. You're right, the separation isn't very pronounced. It kind of reminded me of the stereo mix of Lobo's "Me You And A Dig Named Boo".. Very subtle stereo separation. Nevertheless..... I also died when it came on in stereo. Talk about coincidence.... From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jan 19 16:33:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7723 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 00:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 00:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 00:33:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: n0uiheric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 00:33:46 -0000 X-Sender: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11462 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 22:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 22:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 22:21:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 22:21:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:21:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 380 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "n0uih" X-Originating-IP: 146.163.7.228 Subject: Re: DRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Jan 2004 00:33:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 The one advantage DRM has over IBOC is the amount of spectrum space this method of digital transmission takes up. IBOC can take up to 80 kHz of space on AM and over 400 kHz of specrum space on FM. DRM, when in use, only takes up a 20 kHz stretch of spectrum. While I see IBOC as a miserable failure for the broadcast industry, the jury's still out on DRM. 73, Eric (N0UIH) From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Jan 19 16:38:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18828 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 00:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 00:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 00:38:32 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i0K0cUCn079709 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:38:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001f01c3deed$bcb74a50$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:38:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was: Stereo Oldies-->Garfunkle's Quadrophonic Single X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 If anyone is interested, I have a 4 channel version of Art Garfunkle's "All I Know". Columbia records released a Quad (Matrix) version to radio stations and I managed to grab a copy. It's one of a very few 45 RPM singles released in Quadraphonic sound. I'd be happy to encode and upload if anyone was interested. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 16:39:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73126 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 00:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 00:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 00:39:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 00:39:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:39:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1021 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" wrote: > Capitol/EMI has been very careful to note that the new "authorized" > Beach Boys stereo mixes have been approved by Brian Wilson. These > mixes were reconstructed from sync'ed up, phased locked, multitracks > of both the vocal and instrumental sessions. If Brian likes them -- > good enough for me. I quite agree, here. Just because he may be deaf in one ear does NOT mean he can't appreciate stereo- He wasn't born that way, after all, she he can here what's intended with his mind's ear. Plus, some artists actually plan out graphic representations of the intended stereo (if you have Sir Paul's "Press To Play" CD, you'll see his doodles for the stereo mixing!), so if Brian had something like that when working with the mixes, he could imagine it in his mind. It's not impossible, and frankly, I'm bothered by those who might shortchange any creative person because of whatever limitations they may have. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 16:46:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59464 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 00:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 00:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 00:46:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 00:46:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:46:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 758 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" wrote: > One more item. There has never, ever been an authorized stereo mix > of the hit version of "Good Vibrations" (with vocals). There have > been amateur reconstructions of what the song might sound like using > available stereo mixes of backing instrumental tracks and patching in > vocals. While it is true there are a few creative mixes floating around, last I checked (an actual Beach Boys CD in a store) there is indeed a true stereo authorized mix, now- It was never available until recent years, especially with the "Pet Sounds" set and the recent crop of "two-for-one" CDs Capitol has been releasing of their catalog- Most, if not all in stereo. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 17:02:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45558 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 01:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 01:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 01:02:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 01:02:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:02:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201c3dee4$01bed820$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1719 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.14 Subject: Re: Recordings with "built in" distortion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > How about records that were recorded WAY over-modulated? I have the original mono 45s of "Summer In The City" and "Stop! In The Name Of Love" and both were mastered 'hot' enough that you don't even need speakers to listen to them -- just the sound of the needle in the groove is loud enough. Unfortunately, today we have the same problem. Modern digital mastering equipment can be used to provide some of the cleanest, most high-fidelity sound ever recorded. But unfortunately, most of the time it is used as more of a weapon than as a tool, with extreme amounts of digital limiting and clipping used to make the loudest-possible sounding CDs... and it's not just being used on pop music. Even the last albums from George Harrison and Johnny Cash have been horribly over-compressed, to the point of audible distortion. The over-compression fad of the early '60s gradually faded out as the technology improved. But today, where do we have to go from here? The record companies are making over-compressed CDs because that's what sells. And you can't return an opened CD, so if you buy an album and discover that it sounds horrible, then your dissatisfaction is meaningless because it still counts as another CD sold. That's one of the reasons why I'm actually _in favor of_ "illegal" music downloading -- not as a form of music piracy, but rather as a form of "try before you buy". If I download an MP3 and like the song, then I will buy the CD (if it's at all available). If I don't like it, then I delete the MP3, and there is no harm done. We've reached the point where even _automobiles_ often have a "return it if you don't like it" policy. So why can't the same apply to music? From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 17:07:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80707 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 01:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 01:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 01:07:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 01:07:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:07:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c3deed$bcb74a50$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 564 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: Was: Stereo Oldies-->Garfunkle's Quadrophonic Single X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > If anyone is interested, I have a 4 channel version of Art Garfunkle's "All > I Know". > Columbia records released a Quad (Matrix) version to radio stations and I > managed to grab a copy. It's one of a very few 45 RPM singles released in > Quadraphonic sound. I'd be happy to encode and upload if anyone was > interested. I halso have the rare, long (5+ minutes) Quad mix of Sly and the Family Stone's "Faletinme Be Mice Elf Agin" as well, if anyone's interested. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 17:09:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24551 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 01:09:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 01:09:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 01:09:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 01:09:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:09:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 231 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: DRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "n0uih" wrote: > While I see IBOC as a miserable failure for the broadcast industry, > the jury's still out on DRM. I call is an "interesting experiment". Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 17:14:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15512 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 01:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 01:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 01:14:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 01:14:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:14:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c3deed$128dbc80$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1235 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > > I orignally posted: > > > I would love to hear a stereo version of 96 Tears, and I would > > > really love > > > to hear a stereo version of Dancin' In The Moonlight. > > > To which our favorite rodent (Amy. <:3 )~~8~) replied: > > The stereo version of "Dancing.." isn't so obvious, since most of it > > is mono or near mono- It really jumps out when the chorus part is > > sung. "Good Time Oldies" has been playing this version lately, and I > > have been looking for ANY stereo version for YEARS! > > Talk about irony... After I sent my previous post I left my house to head to > work. On the way to work I punched up our local Oldies outlet and > lo-and-behold they were playing Dancin' In The Moonlight, and the stereo mix > no less. I was surprised to hear it just a few months ago, myself- I had almost completely given up hope a stereo version of it would be found. Been one of my favorites ever since I was a little cheeseling. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Now, if I could just find the full 5-minute STEREO version of the Stones' "Paint It Black".... The single version is stereo, and the long version, as far as I could find, is mono. :( ) From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 17:21:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73131 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 01:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 01:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 01:21:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 01:21:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:21:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 573 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: Recordings with "built in" distortion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > We've reached the point where even _automobiles_ often have a "return > it if you don't like it" policy. So why can't the same apply to > music? The local music store here does. Not the chains, no- Buy from an indie who would be willing to deal with it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Who does NOT like the stunts the RIAA have been doing to broadcasters, streaming stations and consumers alike-- Nice way to endear faithful consumers! And you have the AUDACITY to complain about slagging sales??) From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 17:40:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49939 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 01:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 01:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 01:40:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 01:40:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:40:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002e01c3dee3$6b153400$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2189 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.25.201.10 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies -- Dion! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, You folks are really tapping into a passion here -- 50's and 60's stereo rock and roll. One of the first CD's that really (and I mean REALLY) showed me what was to come with CDs was a 1985 CD from Ace Records in the UK which was an incredible (if cheap looking cover) CD of almost all the Dion and the Belmonts (and Dion solo) Laurie hits remixed into stereo from the original session tapes. Many of the songs had never been mixed to stereo. Incredible. My jaw almost hit the floor. The sound was/is breathtaking. No Dolby, no fancy new tape, no &*!@#$ digital. Sounded like Dion is in the room. I was hoping for good clean versions of the hits but not this shining gem. Many great stereo releases have done since then but that CD (and its companion) hold a special place for me. Chris, what do you have on the reel-to-reel? Is it a session reel? Mixdown master? Is that two-track, four-track? Or is it a commercial reel-to-reel (Laurie label). Some early rock and roll was released on commercial reel-to-reel. If it is truly a session reel (alternate takes, countdowns, etc.) that is a priceless find. Dion and the Belmonts recorded at "old" Bell Sound and "new" Bell Sound in NYC. Some later sessions, if I recall, were recorded at RCA's eight-track (that's right EIGHT-TRACK) studios as well. Some of the bootlegs of the "? and the Mysterians" album are sourced from a commercial reel to reel as ABKCO (Allan B. Klein) owns the masters and has declined to release it at this point along with every other artist on the Cameo/Parkway label including Chubby Checker and Bobby Rydell. I think all of the Ace Dion CD's are now out of print. If you can find 'em, get 'em! Keep this off-topic thread going! Best regards, Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > One of the most dramatic stereo recordings IMO is Roy Orbison's "Running > Scared", which starts off in mono, and breaks into full, wide stereo. > Also, I have Dion & The Belmonts from the original Bell Labs Reel to reel > tapes, burned to a CD- These were true stereo, and I would guess "Sandy" is > the best one. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 17:51:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52092 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 01:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 01:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 01:51:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 01:51:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:51:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002e01c3dee3$6b153400$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 991 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.25.201.10 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Chris, Running scared was recorded in Nashville. The Nashville Symphony supplied the strings for most, if not all of the Roy Orbison recordings. These are truly some of the finest stereo recordings ever made. If you are a big Roy Orbison fan and love the sound of the Sun and Monument recordings and want the *ultimate* Roy Orbison collection it is on Germany's Bear Family label and can be bought in the USA at Collector's Choice music: http://www.ccmusic.com/item.cfm?itemid=BCD64232 It is expensive but there is none better. Best regards, Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > One of the most dramatic stereo recordings IMO is Roy Orbison's "Running > Scared", which starts off in mono, and breaks into full, wide stereo. > Also, I have Dion & The Belmonts from the original Bell Labs Reel to reel > tapes, burned to a CD- These were true stereo, and I would guess "Sandy" is > the best one. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 17:56:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46055 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 01:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 01:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 01:56:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 01:56:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:56:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 281 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.25.201.10 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, Want the ultimate Ricky Nelson box set loaded with previously unreleased stereo? Again Bear Family records: http://www.ccmusic.com/item.cfm?itemid=BCD61962 Not inexpensive but the *ULTIMATE* statement on his Verve and Imperial recordings. Best regards, Paul Bigelow From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Jan 19 18:39:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11931 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 02:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 02:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 02:36:47 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6134670136 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 02:18:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3BD1C0DEE7 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 02:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040119180053.0312c960@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:02:23 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That was me who uploaded that, along with Because, and 96 Tears the true stereo version. I also uploaded Elvis Jailhouse rock. At 03:51 PM 01/19/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Sounding good gang. Kudos to whoever uploaded the "wide" stereo version of >"Return To Sender". I heard our Classic Country network play it one day (I >was listening in AM Stereo of course! :) ) and thought "Wow!! Great >separation on that version! I want that!" >Now I got it ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Jan 19 19:13:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22278 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 03:13:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 03:13:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 03:13:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:13:48 -0800 Received: from 172.159.143.224 by bay7-dav36.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:13:48 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:10:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2004 03:13:48.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C21DB80:01C3DF03] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.93 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.159.143.224] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 What I wuld *LOVE* to find is the Stereo versions of "Caroline" by The Fortunes and "I Spy For The D.T.I." by The Moronic Surveyors. I know they exist because I used to have them before I lost my house in 1999 to a natural disaster. I got them when I was on a "pirate" station in the 1980s. Kevin From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Jan 19 19:18:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5214 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 03:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 03:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 03:18:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 03:18:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:18:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1704 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.159.192.39 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > Just because he may be deaf in one ear does NOT > mean he can't appreciate stereo- He wasn't born that way, after all, > she he can here what's intended with his mind's ear. Plus, some > artists actually plan out graphic representations of the intended > stereo (if you have Sir Paul's "Press To Play" CD, you'll see his > doodles for the stereo mixing!), so if Brian had something like that > when working with the mixes, he could imagine it in his mind. > > It's not impossible, and frankly, I'm bothered by those who might > shortchange any creative person because of whatever limitations they > may have. Ain't nobody dissing Brian Wilson in any way, shape, or form, but the track record (and the vinyl records as well) is clear--the man did NOT like to work in stereo. That isn't a dis . . . it's an established fact. That's why it took us so long to get true stereo versions of "Pet Sounds" and the other stuff--because Brian didn't record for stereo. He used the multiple tracks to layer the orchestration onto a single track IN MONO, which then cleared the other tracks to create the vocal mix, ALSO IN MONO. Only now does Capitol have the nonlinear editing technology to sync up the various unmixed session tapes and produce something akin to a true stereo mix. Part of the reason was, Brian was deaf in one ear. Totally deaf. You CAN'T hear stereo with one ear. And there was no incentive for him to "imagine" in stereo anyway . . . the lack of stereo versions didn't hurt the Beach Boys' sales a bit, and Capitol was perfectly content to release their albums in "Duo-Phonic" mush and collect the extra buck anyway. Brian worked in mono. Get over it. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 19:21:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85652 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 03:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 03:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 03:21:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 03:21:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:21:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 843 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 209.30.152.191 Subject: Good Vibrations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee A few months back, I hit the BrianWilson.com message board with some questions about the existence of a stereo version of Good Vibrations. The scoop: While a LOT of good stereo Beach Boys music is being released right now on compilation CD's (Heroes and Villains is a fun one!), Good Vibrations may never happen. Apparently, the vocal tracks from the Good Vibrations session(s) have disappeared from the Capitol records archive. I think the story is that they were accidentally thrown out. The instrumentals can be found in stereo on one of the Beach Boys boxed sets. That's where these "stereo" bootlegs are coming from, I think. By the way, the latest version of the Pet Sounds CD has the complete album in both mono and stereo on ONE CD. Very nice! And... there's now a Pet Sounds DVD with the album in surround sound. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 19:25:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62903 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 03:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 03:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 03:25:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 03:25:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:24:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1622 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU-680NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Is KMKI in stereo? I was having trouble getting them at the DFW airport on my SRF-42 a couple weeks ago. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" wrote: > Hello, > > Thanks for responding! No more AMS in Tampa? That's a shame. Not > too much in Texas but there are still a few -- and one that even > plays music! > > Doesn't the 680NAB have a noise blanker to cut down on certain types > of electrical impulse noise? > > Kind regards, > > Paul Bigelow > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Dick W wrote: > > I have one, and on AM it's somewhat susceptible to electrical > > interference noises (for instance, buzzing, etc.) Other than that, > it > > seems to work ok. Unfortunately, we no longer have AMS here in > Tampa. > > Dick W. > > > > > > pabigelow wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > What are the thoughts concerning the Denon TU-680NAB? > > > > > > Is this a well-built tuner? > > > > > > How is FM reception? > > > > > > I have read some posts concerning bad reliability. If there is a > > > problem is there a common failure mode or is it bad alignment? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Paul Bigelow > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 19:26:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74826 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 03:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 03:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 03:26:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20040120032632.16051.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.101.74.74] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:26:32 PST Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:26:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.38 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What I'd like to find if anyones heard of them is all these are about 1968-1970 era A tune(instrumental) that had a video of rain falling on leaves(just the songs name if anyone knows) another that goes goodtimes yesterdays gone tomorrow is a beautiful day...and another goes Hey Mama (a solo type tune from around 1970). Michael Possum Hunter wrote: What I wuld *LOVE* to find is the Stereo versions of "Caroline" by The Fortunes and "I Spy For The D.T.I." by The Moronic Surveyors. I know they exist because I used to have them before I lost my house in 1999 to a natural disaster. I got them when I was on a "pirate" station in the 1980s. Kevin Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Jan 19 19:42:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64849 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 03:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 03:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 03:42:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 03:42:17 -0000 Date: 20 Jan 2004 03:42:16 -0000 Message-ID: <1074570136.5559.10173.w1@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /radios/MetroSoundBooklet.jpg Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : MetroSound Owner's Manual - Inside Pages You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/MetroSoundBooklet.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, toledohamradio From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 19:57:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74124 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 03:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 03:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 03:57:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 03:57:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:57:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 365 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Format. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > great if it was in Stereo. The otheir Station is 720 AM Big Band,Ballads and Blues WRZN/720/Hernando Ocala was at one point in Stereo...I remember seeing them listed as such either in an SRDS or a Broadcasting Yearbook...When I lived in Gainesville and bought my SRF-42 (96-98) they were no longer Stereo..Not sure which type of AM Stereo they had. --Tony From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 20:07:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48676 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 04:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 04:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 04:07:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 04:07:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:07:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 879 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: WWBF Footnote. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Not sure if you Central Floridians/Tampa Bay'ers know this, but WWBF/1130 in Bartow, Fla. is no longer transmitting in Stereo after sunset power-down...I checked into the Davis Brothers Motor Lodge in Bartow this past weekend (I specifically chose Bartow over Winter Haven so I could get a good night signal and aircheck their Stereo at night), but I about had a coronary when at around 6pm suddenly noticed no separation on my SRF-A10 and no pilot on my Aiwa CRDS805...Went back and checked the DAT and indeed found that they went Mono after they powered down...Woke up just in time for Sunrise power-up and sure enough, heard the Stereo come back on....Not sure why they're doing this, but I understand from Donn that they recently had some trouble with their STX-1 exciter. Greyhound bus stopped by Naples on the way, WVOI/1480 still pilot only as usual. --Tony From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 20:12:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90797 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 04:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 04:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 04:11:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 04:11:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:11:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 995 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.14 Subject: OT: Re: Ace Records X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think all of the Ace Dion CD's are now out of print. If you can > find 'em, get 'em! I have a few of the "Ace" U.K. compilation CDs and they are all excellent. As well as photos of the original LP front & back covers and 45 RPM single sides, for each CD they even include a detailed discography showing the recording dates, chart positions, single releases, and album releases of each song on the CD. Sometimes some of Ace's tracks sound like they're taken directly from vinyl, with the pops and clicks removed and the sound equalized, but I guess that's par for the course when it comes to the rarest songs. Ace also doesn't seem to use as much tape hiss reduction as on some other record companies' CDs -- but I'd rather have some background hiss than the audible artifacts caused by too-aggressive hiss reduction. Ace Records is still in business -- although, as you say, not all of their CDs may still be in print. Here is their web site: http://www.acerecords.co.uk/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 20:18:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40969 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 04:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 04:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 04:18:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 04:18:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:18:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1074570136.5559.10173.w1@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 219 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.14 Subject: Re: MetroSound tuner owner's manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Description : MetroSound Owner's Manual - Inside Pages The complete MetroSound manual has been available for quite a while on the AM Stereo web site: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/met.htm From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 20:18:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7567 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 04:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 04:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 04:18:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20040120041835.3945.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:18:35 PST Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:18:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.144 From: "John P." Subject: Not Off-Topic By Any Means X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio All of the discussion about early stereo mixes is not off-topic by any means, but goes to show why we love AM Stereo so much - decent music in stereo. These samples are great just for test purposes on an Alfredo Lite! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 20:19:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44199 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 04:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 04:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 04:19:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20040120041946.18598.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:19:46 PST Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:19:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: Metro Sound Tune-Up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey guys, where's the copy of how to "tune-up" a MetroSound for E.B. and for center tuning lighting the LED? And Chris, do you remember where to 'take-off' the stereo audio directly to an AUX input rather than using the FM transmitter? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From rkhester@up-link.net Mon Jan 19 20:43:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48296 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 04:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 04:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 04:42:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 04:42:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:42:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 85 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 67.64.11.210 Subject: looking for a metrosound X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 I am still looking for a metrosound to buy!! much less have the manual!!LOL Richard From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 20:52:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13604 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 04:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 04:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 04:52:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 04:52:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:52:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2060 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.25.201.10 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow No dissing here. Nothing wrong with working in mono. But... Brian's working in stereo now (check out his recent releases) and he has chosen to revisit his masterpieces in stereo as well. Get over THAT! :-) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > Just because he may be deaf in one ear does NOT > > mean he can't appreciate stereo- He wasn't born that way, after > all, > > she he can here what's intended with his mind's ear. Plus, some > > artists actually plan out graphic representations of the intended > > stereo (if you have Sir Paul's "Press To Play" CD, you'll see his > > doodles for the stereo mixing!), so if Brian had something like > that > > when working with the mixes, he could imagine it in his mind. > > > > It's not impossible, and frankly, I'm bothered by those who might > > shortchange any creative person because of whatever limitations > they > > may have. > > > Ain't nobody dissing Brian Wilson in any way, shape, or form, but the > track record (and the vinyl records as well) is clear--the man did > NOT like to work in stereo. That isn't a dis . . . it's an > established fact. That's why it took us so long to get true stereo > versions of "Pet Sounds" and the other stuff--because Brian didn't > record for stereo. He used the multiple tracks to layer the > orchestration onto a single track IN MONO, which then cleared the > other tracks to create the vocal mix, ALSO IN MONO. Only now does > Capitol have the nonlinear editing technology to sync up the various > unmixed session tapes and produce something akin to a true stereo > mix. > > Part of the reason was, Brian was deaf in one ear. Totally deaf. > You CAN'T hear stereo with one ear. And there was no incentive for > him to "imagine" in stereo anyway . . . the lack of stereo versions > didn't hurt the Beach Boys' sales a bit, and Capitol was perfectly > content to release their albums in "Duo-Phonic" mush and collect the > extra buck anyway. > > Brian worked in mono. Get over it. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 20:54:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36729 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 04:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 04:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 04:54:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 04:53:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:53:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040120041835.3945.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 746 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: Not Off-Topic By Any Means X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > All of the discussion about early stereo mixes is not off-topic by any means, I agree, actually. :) > but goes to show why we love AM Stereo so much - decent music in stereo. These > samples are great just for test purposes on an Alfredo Lite! But of course! Whast better way to test and demonstrate your cherished AMS transmitter than an all-out wide-stereo golden oldie! ;) You really can't go wrong with R&R/R&B oldies, because it gets everyone's attention, and plenty of smiles. :) It's also a great way to test various AMS systems (if you have that capability) under various conditions, especially DX and weak-signal conditions. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 20:55:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20207 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 04:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 04:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 04:55:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 04:55:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:55:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1923 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.25.201.10 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU-680NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Have not received them in stereo (yet). In Austin I can get KAAM 770 and WBAP 820 in stereo, though. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > Is KMKI in stereo? I was having trouble getting them at the DFW > airport on my SRF-42 a couple weeks ago. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Thanks for responding! No more AMS in Tampa? That's a shame. Not > > too much in Texas but there are still a few -- and one that even > > plays music! > > > > Doesn't the 680NAB have a noise blanker to cut down on certain types > > of electrical impulse noise? > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Paul Bigelow > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Dick W wrote: > > > I have one, and on AM it's somewhat susceptible to electrical > > > interference noises (for instance, buzzing, etc.) Other than that, > > it > > > seems to work ok. Unfortunately, we no longer have AMS here in > > Tampa. > > > Dick W. > > > > > > > > > pabigelow wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > What are the thoughts concerning the Denon TU-680NAB? > > > > > > > > Is this a well-built tuner? > > > > > > > > How is FM reception? > > > > > > > > I have read some posts concerning bad reliability. If there is a > > > > problem is there a common failure mode or is it bad alignment? > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Paul Bigelow > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 20:59:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52104 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 04:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 04:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 04:59:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 04:59:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:59:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 475 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" wrote: > No dissing here. Nothing wrong with working in mono. But... > > Brian's working in stereo now (check out his recent releases) and he > has chosen to revisit his masterpieces in stereo as well. Get over > THAT! :-) Thank you, Paul- I feel better now that you said that. :) And yes, given he's in charge of the recent Beach Boys remasters, I'm inclined to agree with you. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 21:03:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70420 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 05:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 05:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 05:03:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 05:01:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:01:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1374 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.25.201.10 Subject: OT: Re: Ace Records X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, I hadn't checked for awhile. It looks like some of the ACE Dion CDs are still in print (or have been reissued -- the illustrated coves look differenc -- except for the "Best of the Rest") Anyway, Dion is the best and I'm glad a lot is still available. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I think all of the Ace Dion CD's are now out of print. If you can > > find 'em, get 'em! > > I have a few of the "Ace" U.K. compilation CDs and they are all > excellent. As well as photos of the original LP front & back covers > and 45 RPM single sides, for each CD they even include a detailed > discography showing the recording dates, chart positions, single > releases, and album releases of each song on the CD. > > Sometimes some of Ace's tracks sound like they're taken directly from > vinyl, with the pops and clicks removed and the sound equalized, but > I guess that's par for the course when it comes to the rarest songs. > Ace also doesn't seem to use as much tape hiss reduction as on some > other record companies' CDs -- but I'd rather have some background > hiss than the audible artifacts caused by too-aggressive hiss > reduction. > > Ace Records is still in business -- although, as you say, not all of > their CDs may still be in print. Here is their web site: > > http://www.acerecords.co.uk/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 21:04:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36066 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 05:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 05:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 05:04:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 05:02:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:02:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 165 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Stereo oldies: Ritchie Valens in stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I posted my copy of Ritchie Valens' "La Bamba", which doesn't have the studio chatter, as well as "That's My Little Suzie" for your enjoyment. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 21:11:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41117 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 05:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 05:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 05:11:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 05:11:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:11:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1283 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.25.201.10 Subject: Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Thanks! Who's to say what is truly definitive? The original mono or new stereo? Brian participated in both and both have his blessing. The mono mixes are the Brian (and Chuck Britz) originals -- nothing can change or diminish that fact. The recent stereo mixes are a fresh and different way of looking at an old friend. I think the two mixes can live together in harmony. As an aside, most of the old, true, stereo mixes were done by Chuck Britz who Brian admired and learned a lot from and vice versa. I cannot speak for Brian but I think Brian would not be too harsh on the original true stereo originals done by his friend. If I recall, Brian has expressed that he wished he could hear in stereo. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" > wrote: > > No dissing here. Nothing wrong with working in mono. But... > > > > Brian's working in stereo now (check out his recent releases) and he > > has chosen to revisit his masterpieces in stereo as well. Get over > > THAT! :-) > > Thank you, Paul- I feel better now that you said that. :) And yes, > given he's in charge of the recent Beach Boys remasters, I'm inclined > to agree with you. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 21:14:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69045 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 05:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 05:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 05:14:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 05:14:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:14:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 442 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.25.201.10 Subject: Re: Stereo oldies: Ritchie Valens in stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow I haven't listened to these yet. Are these from the Del-Fi Richie Valens CD from a few (10?) years ago. If I recall, there was a crude stereo mix of La Bamba that was released at that time. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > I posted my copy of Ritchie Valens' "La Bamba", which doesn't have > the studio chatter, as well as "That's My Little Suzie" for your > enjoyment. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 21:18:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24109 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 05:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 05:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 05:18:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20040120051830.16550.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.107] by web60104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:18:30 PST Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:18:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.83 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU-680NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- pabigelow wrote: > Hello, > > What are the thoughts concerning the Denon > TU-680NAB? GAG! > Is this a well-built tuner? Nice looking. > How is FM reception? Good IF the unit works. A very BIG if indeed. > I have read some posts concerning bad reliability. > If there is a > problem is there a common failure mode or is it bad > alignment? Just very poor quality control. When they were available new, a friend of mine ordered 8 for the different radio stations. 4 were DOA, and 2 others failed shortly there after. Only one survives and it will not receive stereo FM, and the AM sounds good but I do not know if the stereo works. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 21:21:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88226 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 05:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 05:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 05:21:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 05:21:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:21:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1217 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.25.201.10 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello Michael, The stereo verison of "A Whiter Shade of Pale", I believe, was released on the UK label, Westside, a few years ago as part of a Procol Harum box set. The true stereo version released was a slightly different alternate take, I believe. Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Sounding good gang. Kudos to whoever uploaded the "wide" stereo version of > "Return To Sender". I heard our Classic Country network play it one day (I > was listening in AM Stereo of course! :) ) and thought "Wow!! Great > separation on that version! I want that!" > Now I got it ! > Also love the wide stereo version of "Roll To Me". No that's not an oldie, > but such a rarity these days to have something THAT wide. We don't have it > in our library. Thanks, Kevin. Enjoyed the "whiter shade of pale" as > well.......although it sorta sounds like a remake to me. Anybody else get > that feeling? I haven't actually played it side-by-side with the mono > version to see if there's any difference, but I'm not sure. Awesome stereo > if it is indeed the original. > > Fun stuff > Michael > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Jan 19 21:26:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40218 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 05:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 05:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 05:26:44 -0000 Received: from juan ([66.156.225.84]) by imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20040120052643.ZWEP1911.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:26:43 -0500 Message-ID: <00b901c3df15$fda879d0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:26:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.72 From: "Juan / John Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Was: Stereo Oldies-->Garfunkle's Quadrophonic Single X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is the Sly song in true Quad ? I was under the assumption that the Quad LP had "Be Mice Elf" in Stereo only, as the greatest hits LP had the song in fake Stereo. The new Anthology CD has it in great sounding Stereo. Juan I halso have the rare, long (5+ minutes) Quad mix of Sly and the Family Stone's "Faletinme Be Mice Elf Agin" as well, if anyone's interested. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 21:34:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34724 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 05:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 05:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 05:34:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 05:34:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:34:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 443 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: Stereo oldies: Ritchie Valens in stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" wrote: > I haven't listened to these yet. Are these from the Del-Fi Richie > Valens CD from a few (10?) years ago. If I recall, there was a crude > stereo mix of La Bamba that was released at that time. Yes, I believe it is, issued around the time of Bob Keane's attempt to get Ritchie Valens inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame a decade ago. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 21:40:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61348 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 05:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 05:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 05:40:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 05:40:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:40:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b901c3df15$fda879d0$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 405 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Was: Stereo Oldies-->Garfunkle's Quadrophonic Single X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > > > Is the Sly song in true Quad ? I was under the assumption that the Quad LP had "Be Mice Elf" in Stereo only, as the greatest hits LP had the song in fake Stereo. The new Anthology CD has it in great sounding Stereo. It sounds like Quad- I'll shove it over in the "long versions" folder. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Jan 19 21:41:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13180 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 05:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 05:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 05:41:33 -0000 Received: from juan ([66.156.225.84]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20040120054040.QAJS1899.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:40:40 -0500 Message-ID: <00fe01c3df17$f09f9d20$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <001601c3deed$128dbc80$6401a8c0@jimspc> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:40:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.64 From: "Juan / John Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, I have the Stereo version of the King Harvest song at work. Would you like an mp3 of it ? Even better, If you have an mp3Pro player it will sound even better in that format. Let me know. Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 7:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? > > I orignally posted: > > I would love to hear a stereo version of 96 Tears, and I would > > really love > > to hear a stereo version of Dancin' In The Moonlight. > To which our favorite rodent (Amy. <:3 )~~8~) replied: > The stereo version of "Dancing.." isn't so obvious, since most of it > is mono or near mono- It really jumps out when the chorus part is > sung. "Good Time Oldies" has been playing this version lately, and I > have been looking for ANY stereo version for YEARS! Talk about irony... After I sent my previous post I left my house to head to work. On the way to work I punched up our local Oldies outlet and lo-and-behold they were playing Dancin' In The Moonlight, and the stereo mix no less. I played the original version when it was a hit 30 + years ago and that was the first time I have ever heard a stereo version. I called the Music Director and he said they got it from a TM Century Gold Disc. I'm going to 'borrow it' long enough to rip the cut and save it for myself. You're right, the separation isn't very pronounced. It kind of reminded me of the stereo mix of Lobo's "Me You And A Dig Named Boo".. Very subtle stereo separation. Nevertheless..... I also died when it came on in stereo. Talk about coincidence.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jan 19 21:49:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9995 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 05:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 05:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 05:49:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 05:49:47 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24640 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 05:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 05:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 05:44:12 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.142.20c47a65 (4592) for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:44:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <142.20c47a65.2d3e1a25@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:44:05 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.101 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: kfrc am 610 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Jan 2004 05:49:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 Popular music was not the first musical form to totally embrace Stereo...mainstream Jazz and Classical were the first to embrace stereophonic recording, about the same time. There are plenty of Miles Davis and John Coltrane recordings from the mid-1950s which were recorded in Stereo. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 21:53:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35925 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 05:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 05:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 05:53:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 05:53:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:53:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b901c3df15$fda879d0$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 948 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.25.201.10 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Was: Stereo Oldies-->Garfunkle's Quadrophonic Single X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Don't get me started on quad. I still have a fully functioning quad system with a Sansui QRX-9001 (the BIG one), Teac auad reel-to-reel and, of course, a quad turntable (CD-4 compatible cartridge), and Sansui quad headphones. I have the "Sly GH" quad record -- all songs quad (thus true "stereo") The stereo pressing had "Hot Fun..", "Thank you..", in fake stereo. Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > > > Is the Sly song in true Quad ? I was under the assumption that the Quad LP had "Be Mice Elf" in Stereo only, as the greatest hits LP had the song in fake Stereo. The new Anthology CD has it in great sounding Stereo. > > Juan > > I halso have the rare, long (5+ minutes) Quad mix of Sly and the > Family Stone's "Faletinme Be Mice Elf Agin" as well, if anyone's > interested. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 21:55:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26838 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 05:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 05:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 05:55:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 05:55:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:55:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00fe01c3df17$f09f9d20$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 456 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > Jim, > > I have the Stereo version of the King Harvest song at work. Would you like an mp3 of it ? Even better, If you have an mp3Pro player it will sound even better in that format. Let me know. I'm not Jim, but I'll squeek for myself here- MP3 VBR @ ~128kbps, and probably best uploaded to the FTP site, since I only have a 4MB email box here. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 21:58:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24111 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 05:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 05:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 05:58:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 05:58:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:58:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <142.20c47a65.2d3e1a25@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 650 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: {AMSF} Re: kfrc am 610 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Popular music was not the first musical form to totally embrace > Stereo...mainstream Jazz and Classical were the first to embrace stereophonic recording, > about the same time. There are plenty of Miles Davis and John Coltrane > recordings from the mid-1950s which were recorded in Stereo. Very true-- The very first two stereo tapes commercially available were classical and jazz, in 1953. (Although it would be interesting to mine Mercury's optical recordings of the '40s, and see if they were multitrack- That would be mid-'40s R&B in possible stereo! :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 22:13:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25373 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 06:13:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 06:13:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 06:13:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 06:13:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:13:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1729 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.14 Subject: OT: the "96 Tears" mystery solved X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As "narkspud" was the first to point out, that "stereo" mix of "96 Tears" isn't true stereo... a spectrum analysis in Cool Edit reverals the creative filtering that was used to achieve some degree of separation between the two channels. For example, the bass is crossed over to the left channel below 340 Hz, and there are numerous notch and bandpass filters used to separate the lower and higher tones of the organ amongst the channels. In addition, the treble above 5 kHz is almost entirely crossed over to the left channel. And on top of all this, it seems that a stereo "flange" effect has been added. Nonetheless, it's an interesting hack-job -- certainly more sophisticated than most "simulated stereo" recordings. But, don't mistake it for any kind of true multi-track stereo recording, because it's not. BTW, as a young child (around 9-10 years old, I'd say), I actually wondered how they made stereo versions of songs... I would hear the mono versions on my dad's 45's, and then hear the same songs on the radio in stereo, and I couldn't figure out how they could "extract" the different parts of the sound out of the mono version, in order to make the stereo version. I guess I didn't quite understand that most of these songs were true stereo to begin with, and that my 45's just happened to be the mono versions. But even as a younster, I always understood the concept of stereo... my parents had speakers set up all the way at opposite ends of the room, so when anything with distinct stereo separation was played, you could really hear it. My favorite was the Muppets record with Kermit in one speaker and Miss Piggy in the other, having an argument back and forth across the room. :-) From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 23:08:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16281 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 07:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 07:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 07:08:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20040120070818.5943.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.101.80.179] by web41209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:08:18 PST Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:08:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.42 From: Michael and Ross Subject: The Carver TX11a Vs TX11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is actually the difference especially pertaining to the AM section of the Carver TX11a and 11b tuners? Michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Mon Jan 19 23:51:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97884 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 07:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 07:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 07:51:33 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0K7pUKY010710 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:51:31 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:51:30 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: 1116 SEN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 We've now had two days of the new "Sports Entertainment Network" where 3AK used to be. And the good news is that they're still in stereo! But so far I've heard no music at all. They were fortunate on their first day as the top news story of the day was the bashing and killing of a former top cricketer and current sports broadcaster by a "security guard" (???) at a St. Kilda hotel. SEN sounds nice and bubbly and professional. Melbourne is a sports mad city. The Breakfast trio and Drive trio really sound good - but all other shifts are solo and sound a bit flat in comparison. I can't see it lasting but it's early days. Do any US stations identify as SEN or Sports Entertainment Network? I'm sure the concept originated in America. Ian Melbourne From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 23:59:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39801 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 07:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 07:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 07:59:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20040120075919.55378.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.101.80.179] by web41201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:59:19 PST Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:59:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.34 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1116 SEN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They probably dont know its in stereo but hope it stays in stereo as I like to hear it hopefully when I go there later in the year. Michael Ian Davidson wrote: We've now had two days of the new "Sports Entertainment Network" where 3AK used to be. And the good news is that they're still in stereo! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Jan 20 00:07:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23964 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 08:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 08:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 08:07:19 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040120080717.NXOS11223.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:07:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:07:17 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040120070818.5943.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.125 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Carver TX11a Vs TX11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I read a review for the tuners, which said that the TX11 was to be=20 avoided; the TX11a was much improved, and that the engineers put=20 "everything they had" into the TX11b. From a user standpoint, the TX11b has slightly better performance and a=20 de-emphasis that more closely matches NRSC specs. It is not an AMAX=20 tuner, however, as the frequency response extends to 15 KHz. It does do=20 a good job of cancelling noise, and overall is a tuner that I like=20 (others here do not). FM reception is fabulous, and AM performance is=20 among the best I have heard. I liked it far more than the Denon TU680=20 NAB, which I evaluated side-by-side. I cannot remember why I didn't=20 like the Denon as well, though (I have a memory of a station coming in=20 at two places on the dial of the Denon). You do have to be careful of=20 grounding noise, though. Back when I had the FM antenna erminal=20 connected to the cable system of my house, the ground would induce a=20 hum into the AM side. Using a regular antenna I have not had that=20 problem. Of course my FN antenna is probably not grounded, even though=20 it probably should be. I understand that there are mods you can make to make it even better,=20 but Los Angeles is to the point where it isn't worth the effort. Yes,=20 we have KLAC and K-SURF playing standards, but in mono. KRLA ... oops,=20 KDIS is still stereo, though, as are some other non-music stations. Richard Wagoner On Monday, January 19, 2004, at 11:08 PM, Michael and Ross wrote: > > What is actually the difference especially pertaining to the AM=20 > section of the Carver TX11a and 11b tuners? > > Michael > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 00:07:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41040 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 08:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 08:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 08:07:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 08:07:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:07:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 457 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: 1116 SEN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > Do any US stations identify as SEN or Sports Entertainment Network? I'm > sure the concept originated in America. There are probably 3 or 4 sportstalk networks here in the US- Biggest by far is ESPN, the Entertainment and Sports Presentation (?) Network, owned by ABC/Disney. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Not big on sports, but if they're in stereo, hey, I would give a listen. :) ) From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jan 20 00:18:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21131 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 08:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 08:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 08:18:01 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.191]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:24:21 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c3df2d$a129cf20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:15:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies -- Dion! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Yep- this CD I have was made from 4 track session tapes. Bell Labs is printed on the can. I do not own the tape, but have been trying to pry it away from the person that owns it since he got it- back around 1992 or so... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: pabigelow To: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 8:40 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies -- Dion! From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Tue Jan 20 00:19:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99118 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 08:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 08:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 08:19:48 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A986732BE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B1BC0E83E for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040120032703.02db9420@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:29:26 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: the "96 Tears" mystery solved X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 What about the version I uploaded? From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jan 20 00:44:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1164 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 08:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 08:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 08:44:26 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.191]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:51:02 -0500 Message-ID: <00ce01c3df31$5b168560$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:42:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies -- Dion! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Speaking of Dion- I have collected 45 rpm's for years- and the differences in quality , even in the same label, is amazing. I have 2 Dion records on the pale blue Laurie label, and they are horrid. Hiss a plenty- But the original Red, white and Black Lauries are outstanding- despite years of play (had them since new) And in their early years, they were played on childrens phonos! My favorite labels? Dot, Imperial, Coral, WB Vitaphonic... The hands down worst pressings have got to be post 1967 RCA...with the famous "one time" play feature- watch the grooves turn from black to gray!- and collect the shavings.. and don't get me started with RCA "DynaFlex" .... shudder..... BTW- I also am looking for any and all 45's in Stereo made before 1963... Chris From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 00:48:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69766 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 08:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 08:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 08:48:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 08:48:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:48:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1172 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.14 Subject: Re: The Carver TX11a Vs TX11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > From a user standpoint, the TX11b has slightly better performance > and a de-emphasis that more closely matches NRSC specs. It is not > an AMAX tuner, however, as the frequency response extends to 15 > kHz. Actually, the Carver TX-11b does meet all the AMAX specifications: Expanded Band tuning, external antenna connection, NRSC de-emphasis, impulse noise blanking, a choice of two different bandwidths, THD less than 2.5%, a 10 kHz whistle filter, and a _minimum_ frequency response of at least 50 - 7500 Hz. AMAX does not specify a _maximum_ frequency response, so it is no problem that the Carver's response extends up to 15 kHz. And remember, at the time this model was designed, the NRSC 10 kHz bandwidth spec was not mandatory in the USA yet, so for the many AM stations (mono and Stereo) that were transmitting true hi-fi audio, there was a legitimate reason for offering a receiver with a correspondingly wide bandwidth. p.s. I once heard of a "TX-11c" model, but I have since not been able to find any evidence of its existence. However, there is also the Carver PSB-11, which is essentially the same thing as the TX-11a, including AM Stereo. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 00:57:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51585 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 08:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 08:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 08:57:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 08:57:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:57:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ce01c3df31$5b168560$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 689 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.14 Subject: Re: RCA "DynaFlex" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > and don't get me started with RCA "DynaFlex" .... shudder..... I have an Elvis album from 1971 that is a thin DynaFlex disc... you can feel it wobble as you take it out of the jacket. It's also probably the newest _mono_ LP I have; it's even proudly marked as "RCA Camden Mono" on the front cover. I don't even know if a stereo version exists; I heard one track from the album played on an FM station once, and it was in mono too. It's actually not a bad-sounding record, although it has virtually no treble response above 12 kHz, and overall, its fidelity is in the same league as Elvis's late '50s mono recordings -- not even close to what other LPs from 1971 sound like. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 01:23:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49198 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 09:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 09:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 09:23:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 09:23:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:23:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040120032703.02db9420@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 951 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.14 Subject: Re: "96 Tears" / also DJVU files, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What about the version I uploaded? Both copies of "96 Tears" that were uploaded were identical, right down to the exact file size in bytes. So, to prevent confusion and unnecessary double-downloads, I deleted one of the two. Also, does anybody know what all the ".djvu" files that have been uploaded are about? I don't even know what kind of program uses that file type... and the file names are just all numbers, so that doesn't help either. Are these files even relevant to AM Stereo at all? And is there any interest in the simulated IBOC and DAB audio samples in the "36k", "48k", "56k", and "DAB" folders? The discussions concerning those files ended months ago, and now you can find actual audio samples of IBOC on the Internet -- so I think unless there is a sudden resurgence of interest in these files, it would be safe for Michael J. to clear out these folders the next time he does some housekeeping on the FTP server. From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Tue Jan 20 01:27:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90735 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 09:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 09:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 09:27:36 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 281B073427 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9264B1A014B for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040120043646.03499548@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:37:15 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040120032703.02db9420@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "96 Tears" / also DJVU files, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm. Well the version I uploaded was in wide stereo. Not fake stereo. At 09:23 AM 01/20/2004 +0000, you wrote: >> What about the version I uploaded? > >Both copies of "96 Tears" that were uploaded were identical, right >down to the exact file size in bytes. So, to prevent confusion and >unnecessary double-downloads, I deleted one of the two. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 01:45:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86493 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 09:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 09:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 09:45:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 09:45:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:45:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1631 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: "96 Tears" / also DJVU files, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Also, does anybody know what all the ".djvu" files that have been > uploaded are about? I don't even know what kind of program uses that > file type... and the file names are just all numbers, so that doesn't > help either. Are these files even relevant to AM Stereo at all? DjVu is an alternate to PDF, yet smaller than PDF. You can get viewers for DjVu files here: Windows, Mac (9/X), and Pocket PC versions here: http://www.lizardtech.com/download/?f=0&d=1 UNIX/Linux & variants, may be found here: http://djvu.sourceforge.net/ I'm the one who uploaded those files, and they ARE relevant, being that the numbered files are actual AM stereo patents from the 1920s. (The numbers are the patent numbers, extracted from the US Patent and Trademark Office.) The "rcareview" DjVu file is, of course, the entire RCA AM stereo paper from 1960. MJR is aware of these uploads, as well as that I mentioned the patents before in previous posts, as well as DjVu files. So yes, they're relevant. > And is there any interest in the simulated IBOC and DAB audio samples > in the "36k", "48k", "56k", and "DAB" folders? The discussions > concerning those files ended months ago, and now you can find actual > audio samples of IBOC on the Internet -- so I think unless there is > a sudden resurgence of interest in these files, it would be safe for > Michael J. to clear out these folders the next time he does some > housekeeping on the FTP server. I don't think they're really needed, but that's between you and MJR. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 01:49:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53950 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 09:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 09:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 09:49:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 09:49:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:49:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040120043646.03499548@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: {AMSF} Re: "96 Tears" / also DJVU files, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > Hmm. Well the version I uploaded was in wide stereo. Not fake stereo. I will agree the files are identical, but I also consider both "wide stereo", poorly-recorded with inexpensive equipment and inexperienced recording and production engineeres-- Probably recorded exactly as it sounds- On someone's personal two-track reel-to-reel in their garage. I have heard similar over the years. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 02:29:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70601 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 10:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 10:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 10:29:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 10:29:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:29:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2258 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: The Carver TX11a Vs TX11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key KDIS is actually one of my favorite stations, even though I can barely get it at all on my SRF-42 in El Cajon... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I read a review for the tuners, which said that the TX11 was to be=20 > avoided; the TX11a was much improved, and that the engineers put=20 > "everything they had" into the TX11b. >=20 > From a user standpoint, the TX11b has slightly better performance and a=20 > de-emphasis that more closely matches NRSC specs. It is not an AMAX=20 > tuner, however, as the frequency response extends to 15 KHz. It does do=20 > a good job of cancelling noise, and overall is a tuner that I like=20 > (others here do not). FM reception is fabulous, and AM performance is=20 > among the best I have heard. I liked it far more than the Denon TU680=20 > NAB, which I evaluated side-by-side. I cannot remember why I didn't=20 > like the Denon as well, though (I have a memory of a station coming in=20 > at two places on the dial of the Denon). You do have to be careful of=20 > grounding noise, though. Back when I had the FM antenna erminal=20 > connected to the cable system of my house, the ground would induce a=20 > hum into the AM side. Using a regular antenna I have not had that=20 > problem. Of course my FN antenna is probably not grounded, even though=20 > it probably should be. >=20 > I understand that there are mods you can make to make it even better,=20 > but Los Angeles is to the point where it isn't worth the effort. Yes,=20 > we have KLAC and K-SURF playing standards, but in mono. KRLA ... oops,=20 > KDIS is still stereo, though, as are some other non-music stations. >=20 > Richard Wagoner >=20 >=20 > On Monday, January 19, 2004, at 11:08 PM, Michael and Ross wrote: >=20 > > > > What is actually the difference especially pertaining to the AM=20 > > section of the Carver TX11a and 11b tuners? > > > > Michael > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >=20=20 > > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >=20=20 > > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 03:42:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58088 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 11:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 11:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 11:42:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 11:40:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:40:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 424 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Sotiris" X-Originating-IP: 194.219.66.178 Subject: Looking for a Metrosound AMS400!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi As an AMS all systems reference base receiver for my shack I need to buy a metrosound adapter. Are there any still available and if, where I can look??? Need to be purchased with Visa and to be posted to Greece!!! Any info is welcome!!! Regards Sotris Pdmtr FM & TV PLL transmitters at http://www.aspisys.com/products.htm ASPiSYS Ltd. P.O.Box 14386 Athens 11510 GREECE Tel : +30 210 7719 544 Fax : +30 210 7714 983 From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Tue Jan 20 06:07:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28683 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 14:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 14:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 14:07:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 14:07:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:07:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1325 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.25.201.10 Subject: Re: RCA "DynaFlex" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Dyna Flex!!!!! Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! This was the worst. I can't recall all the inner record sleeve hype but there was a long list of propaganda RCA spewed out to promote dyna flex: It is the thinnest record you have ever owned It is virtually indestructable It will last longer than any record you have ever owned Stuff like that What a joke! The best vinyl *hands down* was the JVC Super Vinyl originally developed for quad CD-4 and used my Mobile Fidelity and others. To this day JVC refuses the divulge the "secret formula". --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > and don't get me started with RCA "DynaFlex" .... shudder..... > > I have an Elvis album from 1971 that is a thin DynaFlex disc... you > can feel it wobble as you take it out of the jacket. It's also > probably the newest _mono_ LP I have; it's even proudly marked as > "RCA Camden Mono" on the front cover. I don't even know if a stereo > version exists; I heard one track from the album played on an FM > station once, and it was in mono too. > > It's actually not a bad-sounding record, although it has virtually no > treble response above 12 kHz, and overall, its fidelity is in the > same league as Elvis's late '50s mono recordings -- not even close to > what other LPs from 1971 sound like. From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Tue Jan 20 06:14:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47418 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 14:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 14:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 14:14:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 14:12:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:12:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c3df2d$a129cf20$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 931 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.25.201.10 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies -- Dion! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Chris, Wow! What is on that Dion tape? This is incredible. I hope that person knows what he has and how important it is to store that tape properly. I've read all sorts of horror stories of tapes being tossed out in the dumpster when certain studios went out of businness. Four Seasons session reels, for example. Thankfully, I have also heard of stories of some of these tapes being rescued. Perhaps this is one of them. Paul --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Yep- this CD I have was made from 4 track session tapes. Bell Labs is > printed on the can. I do not own the tape, but have been trying to pry it > away from the person that owns it since he got it- back around 1992 or so... > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pabigelow > To: > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 8:40 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies -- Dion! From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Tue Jan 20 06:21:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9621 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 14:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 14:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 14:21:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 14:21:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:21:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ce01c3df31$5b168560$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1385 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.25.201.10 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies -- Dion! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Yep, some of the old, early vinyl can be of outstanding quality. When the labels started to get cheap and started using recycled vinyl that was the beginning of the end. Who'd have figured this group would also be a group of old rock and roll stereo geeks (affectionately stated!)? Do you have the Columbia Dion 2CD set: "The Road I'm On"? To me that CD is another <<<--- STEREO --->>> winner especially if one likes the later-period, blues-influenced recordings Dion made towards the end of his contract with Columbia. Paul --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Speaking of Dion- I have collected 45 rpm's for years- and the differences > in quality , even in the same label, is amazing. I have 2 Dion records on > the pale blue Laurie label, and they are horrid. Hiss a plenty- But the > original Red, white and Black Lauries are outstanding- despite years of play > (had them since new) And in their early years, they were played on childrens > phonos! > My favorite labels? Dot, Imperial, Coral, WB Vitaphonic... The hands down > worst pressings have got to be post 1967 RCA...with the famous "one time" > play feature- watch the grooves turn from black to gray!- and collect the > shavings.. and don't get me started with RCA "DynaFlex" .... shudder..... > BTW- I also am looking for any and all 45's in Stereo made before 1963... > Chris From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jan 20 06:28:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35708 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 14:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 14:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 14:28:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 14:28:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:28:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 360 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.159.192.39 Subject: {AMSF} Re: "96 Tears" / also DJVU files, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > > Hmm. Well the version I uploaded was in wide stereo. Not fake > stereo. > > I will agree the files are identical, but I also consider both "wide > stereo", poorly-recorded with inexpensive equipment and inexperienced > recording and production engineeres Sigh. Oh well, Kevin, we tried. Some people still believe the moon landing was faked, too. From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jan 20 06:56:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11517 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 14:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 14:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 14:56:07 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:55:56 -0700 Message-ID: <003e01c3df65$829faf60$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:55:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for confirming this, Paul. I've heard "whiter shade of pale" about a gazillion times and it just seems like something wasn't quite right. It still is a neat recording, though :) You would think if they had that one, then they'd have the actual original in stereo. Also this one seems to be quite bright and clear, while ANY mono version of it that I've ever heard has always had that different sound to it....just doesn't seem as bright at all. Kinda like it only goes up to about 10 khz or something like that. I dunno. You guys all know so much more about this stuff than I do. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: pabigelow To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:21 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies Hello Michael, The stereo verison of "A Whiter Shade of Pale", I believe, was released on the UK label, Westside, a few years ago as part of a Procol Harum box set. The true stereo version released was a slightly different alternate take, I believe. Paul Bigelow [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 06:57:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5432 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 14:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 14:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 14:57:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 14:56:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:56:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 96 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 68.88.131.140 Subject: Re: The Carver TX11a Vs TX11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee The TX11B extends out to 15 khz? Cool. How wide is Chris Cuff's AM Stereo transmitter signal? From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jan 20 07:04:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80246 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 15:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 15:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 15:04:15 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:04:15 -0700 Message-ID: <004801c3df66$abf11e70$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:04:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy, and Juan--- I just discovered last week that if you have the latest version of WinAmp, you can get the mp3PRO plugin for it. From what I've heard, MP3Pro files are actually smaller than MP3's and sound better. But you have to have the mp3pro plugin for Winamp or an mp3pro player. Otherwise the mp3pro files sound crappy. I just installed the newest Winamp here on my studio computer the other day and slapped on the mp3pro plugin. Seems to actually IMPROVE the sound of many of the mp3's I already had. I don't know if it's my imagination but it seems the "swimming" is greatly reduced or even eliminated on some songs that I know had the "swimming" in them before. Try it...I think you'll like it. And Juan...I'd love to have that in MP3 and MP3pro....just for those who don't have the mp3pro decoding. If you send it directly to me , could I upload it? I'd have absolutely NO IDEA where it came from if that helps :) Thanks! Michael - AMstereo ftp site ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:55 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > Jim, > > I have the Stereo version of the King Harvest song at work. Would you like an mp3 of it ? Even better, If you have an mp3Pro player it will sound even better in that format. Let me know. I'm not Jim, but I'll squeek for myself here- MP3 VBR @ ~128kbps, and probably best uploaded to the FTP site, since I only have a 4MB email box here. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jan 20 07:17:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81969 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 15:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 15:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 15:17:20 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:17:19 -0700 Message-ID: <007001c3df68$7f26ade0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:17:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "96 Tears" / also DJVU files, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Amy and Kevin And yep, I agree....I think I'll get rid of those extra folders. Amy, your djvu files about the patents and the RCA system and so forth.....I think they deserve a good home in a folder called 'AM Stereo literature' and then maybe a "patents" subfolder or something like that. I don't remember what I've already got set up and what not. I agree with Kevin...it would clean things up if we can move them out of there. I'll get on that right away. So guys...what happens with quadraphonic to stereo conversion? I mean..I don't have a quadraphonic playback system....so if I listen to a quadraphonic mp3, what's it going to do? Am I going to miss anything? Inquiring minds want to know :) Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:45 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: "96 Tears" / also DJVU files, etc. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Also, does anybody know what all the ".djvu" files that have been > uploaded are about? I don't even know what kind of program uses that > file type... and the file names are just all numbers, so that doesn't > help either. Are these files even relevant to AM Stereo at all? DjVu is an alternate to PDF, yet smaller than PDF. You can get viewers for DjVu files here: Windows, Mac (9/X), and Pocket PC versions here: http://www.lizardtech.com/download/?f=0&d=1 UNIX/Linux & variants, may be found here: http://djvu.sourceforge.net/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Jan 20 07:19:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62858 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 15:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 15:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 15:19:29 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i0KFJPT7042523 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:19:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005301c3df68$cd58d650$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <001601c3deed$128dbc80$6401a8c0@jimspc> <00fe01c3df17$f09f9d20$af78fea9@juan> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:19:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Ricky Nelson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > I have the Stereo version of the King Harvest song at work. > Would you like an mp3 of it ? Even better, If you have an > mp3Pro player it will sound even better in that format. Let me know. Thanks for the offer Juan but as I mentioned yesterday, after posting that I was looking for a stereo version of King Harvest, I got in my car and on the way to work heard our local Oldies station playing a stereo version (1/2 hour after I sent that post). Even though that cluster is the enemy (they are a 5 station group and ours is a 4 station cluster in a fairly small market (less than 100,000 pop)), the music director is a friend and I called him. They are playing it from a TM Century Gold Disc and he offered to rip it for me so I will have a clean, stereo copy by this afternoon. While our battle to save AM Stereo is in a bit of a lull, does anyone else have anything they are looking for? I have almost a thousand 45's (mostly promo copies) and even more CD's. Some of the 45's are really rare and if I record them into Cool Edit Pro, they can be cleaned up to sound great. For example...I have been looking for a copy of Bettie Swann's "Today I Started Loving You Again" (a stiff from early 1973) for 30 years. Perhaps others have titles they are looking for (in stereo) and I would love to share. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 07:40:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4603 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 15:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 15:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 15:40:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 15:39:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:39:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 607 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: "96 Tears" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Sigh. Oh well, Kevin, we tried. Some people still believe the > moon landing was faked, too. I can post the spectrum analysis graph if no one believes that the "stereo" version of "96 Tears" is a fake. Even poor-quality 1960s recording equipment doesn't have notch and bandpass filters all across the audio spectrum! The truth is obvious if you listen to the organ. It's only a single organ being played, but you hear half of its tones on the left and half on the right. Even with multiple microphones, that would not be possible, because microphones are not frequency-selective like that. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 07:59:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44889 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 15:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 15:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 15:59:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 15:58:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:58:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004801c3df66$abf11e70$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1182 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: re: MP3 vs. "MP3pro" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > From what I've heard, MP3Pro files are actually smaller than MP3's > and sound better. Smaller, yes. Sound better, no. MP3pro uses "Spectal Band Replication" -- the same kind of "fake treble" that IBOC uses. It is usually better than MP3 at equivalent bit-rates... but don't confuse MP3pro for something that offers better sound than MP3 at higher bit-rates (128 kbps and up). In fact, MP3pro maxes out at 96 kbps, because it was only _designed_ to handle lower bit-rates. In general, for MP3 encoding I find that LAME at 160 kbps sounds very good, and at 192 kbps it sounds darn near perfect. 128 kbps is fine for modern pop music, but anything with wide separation or analog background noise (i.e. tape hiss) will quickly reveal its limitations. Fraunhofer is also very good, but is a bit more quirky than LAME. Sometimes it will sound great even at 128 kbps, and other times it will have annoying artifacts even at 160+ kbps. The Xing encoder, although quite popular, should be avoided at all costs. It NEVER sounds good any anything less than 192 kbps. The same applies for "BladeEnc", which is probably the worst MP3 encoder to ever become popular. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 08:04:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67313 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 16:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 16:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 16:04:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 16:03:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:03:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 635 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 68.88.131.140 Subject: Beatles Decca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee This is not a stereo request... But since it looks like we've got some very nice Oldies collections in our group, I'm asking for a mono song. I've been able to find all of the cuts from the Beatles' Decca audition on peer-to-peer networks... EXCEPT "Money". I recently read a biography of John Lennon, and the author was very impressed with Lennon's vocals on "Money" from the Decca auditions. I'd like to hear them! If anyone has that version of "Money", would you e-mail it to me? Or post it on the FTP site? Just zap it to the address associated with my forum membership: deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thanks in advance! From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 08:09:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64334 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 16:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 16:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 16:09:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 16:08:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:08:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 507 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 68.88.131.140 Subject: Re: MP3 vs. "MP3pro" vs. MP4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I wouldn't predict that MP3pro will last long... Cool Edit Pro (now Adobe Audition) uses it, but there are too many other major editors that probably won't go that direction: like Pro Tools, Logic, and others. The next step up will likely be MP4, which can be encoded with Quicktime Pro from Apple. There are several free MP4 players out there (including Quicktime and iTunes, of course). For now, though, MP3 at 160/44 is my encoding choice--a nice compromise between sound quality and file size. From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Jan 20 08:31:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42505 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 16:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 16:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtai04.cox.net) (68.6.19.251) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 16:30:17 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040120161909.USTB27510.fed1mtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:19:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:19:11 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <61D04BF6-4B64-11D8-8096-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.251 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Carver TX11a Vs TX11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tuesday, January 20, 2004, at 02:29 AM, pianoplayer88key wrote: > KDIS is actually one of my favorite stations, even though I can barely > get it at all on my SRF-42 in El Cajon... > > I was referring to two things: 1. 1110 should never have dropped the KRLA calls. Calling 870 KRLA is just wrong! 2. One decent AM music station doesn't call for major modifications to a tuner, in my opinion. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Jan 20 09:02:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41963 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 17:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 17:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 17:01:51 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i0KH1mdp065634 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:01:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001a01c3df77$1ad513e0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:01:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MP3 vs. "MP3pro" vs. MP4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > I wouldn't predict that MP3pro will last long... Cool Edit Pro (now Adobe Audition) > uses it, but there are too many other major editors that probably won't go that > direction: like Pro Tools, Logic, and others. Speaking of Cool Edit Pro... We have been using CEP 2.0 for some time in our production rooms and everyone seems to love it (myself included). Now that Syntrillium has sold out to Adobe, does anyone have the newest version of CEP (Adobe Audition) and can anyone tell me more about the changes? So far... through the grapevine I've heard some bad reports. Comment? From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 09:07:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60031 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 17:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 17:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 17:06:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 17:06:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:06:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001a01c3df77$1ad513e0$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 445 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 68.88.131.140 Subject: {AMSF} Re: MP3 vs. "MP3pro" vs. MP4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I use CEP 2.0 at work, and Pro Tools at home. From what I've heard, the Audition "upgrade" (which is free), is really nothing more than a quick way for Adobe to get its name on the software. I haven't heard of anything significant being added by Adobe thus far... A fellow prod director in my market cluster has downloaded the "upgrade" and recommended that I just keep going with CEP 2.0 until further notice. So that's what I've done. From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Tue Jan 20 09:45:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91156 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 17:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 17:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 17:45:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 17:44:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:44:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 804 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 Subject: Re: "96 Tears" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello Kevin, I heard it this morning. It's a fake. A clever fake. But still a fake. Paul --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Sigh. Oh well, Kevin, we tried. Some people still believe the > > moon landing was faked, too. > > I can post the spectrum analysis graph if no one believes that the > "stereo" version of "96 Tears" is a fake. Even poor-quality 1960s > recording equipment doesn't have notch and bandpass filters all across > the audio spectrum! > > The truth is obvious if you listen to the organ. It's only a single > organ being played, but you hear half of its tones on the left and > half on the right. Even with multiple microphones, that would not be > possible, because microphones are not frequency-selective like that. From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Tue Jan 20 09:59:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13945 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 17:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 17:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 17:59:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 17:57:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:57:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 887 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 Subject: Re: Beatles Decca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, BTW, the Decca audition was recorded on two-track mono. The LP "The Decca Tapes" (Circuit Records) has the elusive track. Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > This is not a stereo request... > > But since it looks like we've got some very nice Oldies collections in our group, I'm > asking for a mono song. I've been able to find all of the cuts from the Beatles' Decca > audition on peer-to-peer networks... EXCEPT "Money". > > I recently read a biography of John Lennon, and the author was very impressed with > Lennon's vocals on "Money" from the Decca auditions. I'd like to hear them! > > If anyone has that version of "Money", would you e-mail it to me? Or post it on the > FTP site? > > Just zap it to the address associated with my forum membership: > deepcoffee@y... > > Thanks in advance! From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 10:08:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97251 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 18:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 18:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41202.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 18:08:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20040120180504.26138.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.163] by web41202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:05:04 PST Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:05:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.35 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for a Metrosound AMS400!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Chris Cuff from the AM Stereo site may be able to help try http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/ Michael --- Sotiris wrote: > Hi > As an AMS all systems reference base receiver for my > shack I need to > buy a metrosound adapter. Are there any still > available and if, where > I can look??? Need to be purchased with Visa and to > be posted to > Greece!!! Any info is welcome!!! > Regards > > Sotris Pdmtr > FM & TV PLL transmitters at > http://www.aspisys.com/products.htm > > ASPiSYS Ltd. > P.O.Box 14386 > Athens 11510 > GREECE > Tel : +30 210 7719 544 > Fax : +30 210 7714 983 > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Amy, and Juan--- I just discovered last week that if you have the latest version of WinAmp, you can get the mp3PRO plugin for it. From what I've heard, MP3Pro files are actually smaller than MP3's and sound better. But you have to have the mp3pro plugin for Winamp or an mp3pro player. Otherwise the mp3pro files sound crappy. I just installed the newest Winamp here on my studio computer the other day and slapped on the mp3pro plugin. Seems to actually IMPROVE the sound of many of the mp3's I already had. I don't know if it's my imagination but it seems the "swimming" is greatly reduced or even eliminated on some songs that I know had the "swimming" in them before. Try it...I think you'll like it. And Juan...I'd love to have that in MP3 and MP3pro....just for those who don't have the mp3pro decoding. If you send it directly to me , could I upload it? I'd have absolutely NO IDEA where it came from if that helps :) I have had mp3PRO installed in my WinAmp for a couple years now- That really isn't a problem to me, except my pocket computer doesn't have mp3PRO capabilities (yet it has Ogg). My concern, though, is it may add further confusion, and I have downloaded MP3s that did pop up as "mp3PRO" on WinAmp, so... Let it rock, I guess. :) I just know I prefer my MP3s with VBR set to the highest quality, regardless of bitrate used. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 10:22:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20658 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 18:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 18:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 18:21:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20040120181358.3480.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.163] by web41201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:13:58 PST Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:13:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.34 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Carver TX11a Vs TX11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Also the price of them seem to be 3 times of the carver TX11a is the big difference.... Michael --- "Douglas B." wrote: > The TX11B extends out to 15 khz? Cool. > > How wide is Chris Cuff's AM Stereo transmitter > signal? > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Jan 20 10:23:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49765 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 18:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 18:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 18:23:05 -0000 Received: from juan ([66.156.225.84]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20040120182300.ZITF18522.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:23:00 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c3df82$6fc74a20$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:23:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.68 From: "Juan / John Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: MP3 vs. "MP3pro" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got familiar with mp3Pro because that's what the higher fidelity stations encode with on Live365.com. My station's music uses it, and therefore I don't have to waste space because the mp3's are 64/44. www.live365.com/stations/gualdaj mp3pro players are becoming more available and you can get an encoder at www.mp3prozone.com Snobby audiofiles may poo poo it, but for the size of the file, it don't sound bad. Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:58 AM Subject: {AMSF} re: MP3 vs. "MP3pro" > From what I've heard, MP3Pro files are actually smaller than MP3's > and sound better. Smaller, yes. Sound better, no. MP3pro uses "Spectal Band Replication" -- the same kind of "fake treble" that IBOC uses. It is usually better than MP3 at equivalent bit-rates... but don't confuse MP3pro for something that offers better sound than MP3 at higher bit-rates (128 kbps and up). In fact, MP3pro maxes out at 96 kbps, because it was only _designed_ to handle lower bit-rates. In general, for MP3 encoding I find that LAME at 160 kbps sounds very good, and at 192 kbps it sounds darn near perfect. 128 kbps is fine for modern pop music, but anything with wide separation or analog background noise (i.e. tape hiss) will quickly reveal its limitations. Fraunhofer is also very good, but is a bit more quirky than LAME. Sometimes it will sound great even at 128 kbps, and other times it will have annoying artifacts even at 160+ kbps. The Xing encoder, although quite popular, should be avoided at all costs. It NEVER sounds good any anything less than 192 kbps. The same applies for "BladeEnc", which is probably the worst MP3 encoder to ever become popular. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Jan 20 10:27:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10752 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 18:27:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 18:27:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 18:27:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 18:26:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:26:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 210 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "mtgc09161948" X-Originating-IP: 171.75.128.39 Subject: Newbie Help Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I have looked all over the Yahoo site for these music files that have been downloaded, all to no avail. Please help a newbie to find these, as I would love to listen to some of them. Thanks, Michael Upton From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jan 20 10:30:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79089 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 18:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 18:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 18:30:45 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:30:44 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:32:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} re: MP3 vs. "MP3pro" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the clarification, Kevin. I think I'll stick to normal MP3's myself. I like 160/44 myself and I agree with you on all aspects of the encoders. When I encode something, it's LAME that is used. MJR n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:59 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} re: MP3 vs. "MP3pro" > From what I've heard, MP3Pro files are actually smaller than MP3's > and sound better. Smaller, yes. Sound better, no. MP3pro uses "Spectal Band Replication" -- the same kind of "fake treble" that IBOC uses. It is usually better than MP3 at equivalent bit-rates... but don't confuse MP3pro for something that offers better sound than MP3 at higher bit-rates (128 kbps and up). In fact, MP3pro maxes out at 96 kbps, because it was only _designed_ to handle lower bit-rates. In general, for MP3 encoding I find that LAME at 160 kbps sounds very good, and at 192 kbps it sounds darn near perfect. 128 kbps is fine for modern pop music, but anything with wide separation or analog background noise (i.e. tape hiss) will quickly reveal its limitations. Fraunhofer is also very good, but is a bit more quirky than LAME. Sometimes it will sound great even at 128 kbps, and other times it will have annoying artifacts even at 160+ kbps. The Xing encoder, although quite popular, should be avoided at all costs. It NEVER sounds good any anything less than 192 kbps. The same applies for "BladeEnc", which is probably the worst MP3 encoder to ever become popular. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 10:31:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2265 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 18:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 18:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 18:31:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 18:30:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:30:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007001c3df68$7f26ade0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1294 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: {AMSF} Re: "96 Tears" / also DJVU files, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Thanks Amy and Kevin > And yep, I agree....I think I'll get rid of those extra folders. Amy, your djvu files about the patents and the RCA system and so forth.....I think they deserve a good home in a folder called 'AM Stereo literature' and then maybe a "patents" subfolder or something like that. I don't remember what I've already got set up and what not. I agree with Kevin...it would clean things up if we can move them out of there. I'll get on that right away. That sounds fine to me. :) > So guys...what happens with quadraphonic to stereo conversion? I mean..I don't have a quadraphonic playback system....so if I listen to a quadraphonic mp3, what's it going to do? Am I going to miss anything? Inquiring minds want to know :) The CBS Quad method actually is the same for Dolby Surround, except that it extracts separate left and right rear channels, in that the rear audio is recorded as an "out of phase" audio signal, and that's how you'll hear in on conventional stereo. It SOULD be "mono compatible", and not really screw up anything, It shouldn't cause much problems, if any, over matrix broadcast systems- It's been used over TV stereo for years! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Tue Jan 20 10:41:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50638 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 18:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 18:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 18:41:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 18:41:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:41:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1475 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 Subject: {AMSF} Re: "96 Tears" / also DJVU files, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Good 'ol QS. Actually, I preferred CD-4. Paul --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" > wrote: > > Thanks Amy and Kevin > > And yep, I agree....I think I'll get rid of those extra folders. > Amy, your djvu files about the patents and the RCA system and so > forth.....I think they deserve a good home in a folder called 'AM > Stereo literature' and then maybe a "patents" subfolder or something > like that. I don't remember what I've already got set up and what > not. I agree with Kevin...it would clean things up if we can move > them out of there. I'll get on that right away. > > That sounds fine to me. :) > > > So guys...what happens with quadraphonic to stereo conversion? I > mean..I don't have a quadraphonic playback system....so if I listen > to a quadraphonic mp3, what's it going to do? Am I going to miss > anything? Inquiring minds want to know :) > > The CBS Quad method actually is the same for Dolby Surround, except > that it extracts separate left and right rear channels, in that the > rear audio is recorded as an "out of phase" audio signal, and that's > how you'll hear in on conventional stereo. It SOULD be "mono > compatible", and not really screw up anything, It shouldn't cause > much problems, if any, over matrix broadcast systems- It's been used > over TV stereo for years! > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 10:41:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85547 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 18:41:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 18:41:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 18:41:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 18:41:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:41:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 441 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: Newbie Help Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mtgc09161948" wrote: > I have looked all over the Yahoo site for these music files that > have been downloaded, all to no avail. > > Please help a newbie to find these, as I would love to listen to > some of them. Go to ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/ and go to either the "stereo versions" or "long versions" directories and download to your heart's content! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Jan 20 11:29:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62013 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 19:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 19:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 19:29:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:29:40 -0800 Received: from 171.75.128.39 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:29:40 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:29:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2004 19:29:40.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF91FDD0:01C3DF8B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.78 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [171.75.128.39] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Newbie Help Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Thanks Amy for all the help. I see you are from Northwestern California. I lived and worked in Willits for about 4 years. Are you close? Thanks again for all the help. Michael Upton _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 12:35:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55817 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 20:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 20:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 20:35:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 20:34:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:34:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 351 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Newbie Help Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" wrote: > Thanks Amy for all the help. I see you are from Northwestern California. I > lived and worked in Willits for about 4 years. Are you close? > > Thanks again for all the help. I'm up near Humboldt Bay. I'll just leave it at that. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 12:48:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55743 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 20:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 20:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 20:48:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20040120203348.37956.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:33:48 PST Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:33:48 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: Unable to access ftp website X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I have been unable to access the "ftp website" all last night. Is it down, or too many people on it, or is my system goofed-up? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 13:33:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52922 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 21:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 21:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 21:33:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 21:33:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:33:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <61D04BF6-4B64-11D8-8096-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 830 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Carver TX11a Vs TX11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > On Tuesday, January 20, 2004, at 02:29 AM, pianoplayer88key wrote: > > > KDIS is actually one of my favorite stations, even though I can barely > > get it at all on my SRF-42 in El Cajon... > > > > > I was referring to two things: > > 1. 1110 should never have dropped the KRLA calls. Calling 870 KRLA is > just wrong! I agree there. I'd rather have Disney on, say, 640, or 710, or 830, for example, where I can get it better. Put 50s and 60s oldies on 1110 KRLA. > > 2. One decent AM music station doesn't call for major modifications to > a tuner, in my opinion. In my opinion, if it's stereo, it does, but if mono, just listen as is (if you like the music). > > Richard > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 13:48:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2933 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 21:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 21:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 21:48:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 21:46:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:46:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 277 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: 96 Tears X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee This from my DJ-Oldies Stereo contact at the station. Later this year... The Cameo-Parkway catalogue will be released on CD for the first time ever. We'll see if that includes a REAL stereo version of 96 Tears (he doubts it). It will definitely receive a re- mastering! From badkev2003@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 13:48:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badkev2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63750 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 21:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 21:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 21:48:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 21:47:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:47:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006301c3dc0a$a09c7e20$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 790 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "badkev2003" X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.61 Subject: Re: Transmitter kits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145176949 X-Yahoo-Profile: badkev2003 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote:> Hi All> I have completed a long standing project of making the Alf liteavailable in> kit form- You build it yourself.> Now all I need are a few people that want to make one. I am making10> available in kit form for now, at a set price of $75.00 each. *snipped*Chris, I've tried 2 times now to contact you via e-mail, regarding mywanting to order one of these. I'll assume that neither messagereached you :-) ----I need an Assembled transmitter, and if they're still available, atleast 10-20 of the fixed-frequency radios, the ones that run on apair of AAA batteries. I am DYING to broadcast in AM Stereo, and will have the cash neededto buy everything, as of Feb. 18th- so, please, get back to me onthis ASAP.Kevin j. From pd@96wnjo.com Tue Jan 20 14:45:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pd@96wnjo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56540 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 22:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 22:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 22:45:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 22:43:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:43:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 172 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "wnjo960" X-Originating-IP: 67.83.125.168 Subject: Playing the Stereo files on my station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159836599 X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 Hello: I was wondering if its ok to use these stereo songs on my station. If anyone has any problems, email me at pd@96wnjo.com. Great topic, wish I could contribute... From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 14:45:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13736 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 22:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 22:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 22:45:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 22:45:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:45:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 949 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Info on 96 Tears Fake Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I e-mailed our faked 96 Tears mp3 to a prod friend of mine and received the following response: "Used to have a rack device at TM that did this ... made by KLH/Burwen. That device brings back a major memory ... I used it with limited success on some of the oldies for TM's now infamous "GoldPicks" project. That massive undertaking made by the 4 main format producers at TM at the time (myself included), took many months of long hours to complete. All songs were mastered from vinyl to 15 IPS grand masters using DBX Type-I noise reduction (de-popped and de-clicked by hand and parametrically EQ'd to perfection), then offered to broadcasters in either high-speed duped tapes (budget version) or 15 IPS one-to-one dubs on quality, back-coated mastering tape ($$$) .... AND JUST AS WE LAUNCHED THE ADVERTISING BLITZ TO SELL IT ............. CD's became commercially available !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was a colossal sales flop! From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jan 20 14:51:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84518 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 22:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 22:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 22:51:37 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.185]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:58:26 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c3dfa7$bb8b31e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:49:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} looking for a metrosound X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I still have a couple of Metrosounds- The only trouble is they are in my outside barn, and the level of debris in there right now , plus the cold, makes it impossible to find them right now. I also have full schematics of Metrosounds too. If we get a break in the weather, I will dig them out. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard_K_Hester To: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:42 PM Subject: {AMSF} looking for a metrosound > I am still looking for a metrosound to buy!! much less have the > manual!!LOL Richard From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jan 20 14:57:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29441 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 22:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 22:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 22:57:32 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.185]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:04:13 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c3dfa8$8a9c3a60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:55:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies -- Dion! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Oh tell me about it! I just got in some repro 45's from American Pie, and 2 of the MCA pressings have visible wood chips in the plastic..... Probably my record for longevity is the first 45 I ever bought as a kid- an ABC Paramount Danny & The Juniors "At The Hop", but I always liked the flip side better- "Sometimes". This record has been played thousands of times- and still sounds good (on my 1954 RCA 45 player) cc ----- Original Message ----- From: pabigelow > Yep, some of the old, early vinyl can be of outstanding quality. When > the labels started to get cheap and started using recycled vinyl that > was the beginning of the end. > From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jan 20 15:05:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59680 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 23:05:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 23:05:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 23:05:44 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.185]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:12:29 -0500 Message-ID: <003301c3dfa9$b23cc520$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:04:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Thanks for the memory jog Narkspud! That Carole King song is one of my all-time favorites- I went right to ebay and bought 2 copies- one from the UK on Parlophone with the un-punched center, and the other on Dimension from here in the USA. That song, released in 1962, was a minor hit- but Gawd- how old could she have been then??? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: narkspud > Carole King's "It Might As Well Rain Until September" (the latter of which may > have actually been recorded in a tin can, come to think of it). From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jan 20 15:08:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23353 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 23:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 23:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 23:08:41 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.185]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:15:31 -0500 Message-ID: <003b01c3dfaa$1e4e7b00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20040119195438.93811.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:07:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-A300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 If you want to get adventurous, you can crush 2 turns of the FM osc. coil down against the circuit board, and cover up to 101. The dial scale no longer reads correctly, obviously.... and a quick tiny tweak of the osc. screw in the am tuner will get you to 1690 with no ill effects. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Ross To: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:54 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-A300 > Yes theyre worth it and go to 92 as I can get "More > FM" 91.8 on mine and the AM goes to about 1629 From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jan 20 15:16:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73661 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 23:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 23:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 23:16:59 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.185]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:23:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c3dfab$45c44c40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:15:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Sharp on ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Doug at KLUV just sent me an email with this receiver I have never seen before- go check it out # 3072619038 It is a digital Sharp receiver with am stereo. Chris From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 15:35:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46096 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 23:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 23:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 23:35:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20040120233501.19285.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.163] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:35:01 PST Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:35:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000501c3dfab$45c44c40$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.43 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sharp on ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus It is 9kHz spacing and looks as part of a component system looks deeper than a MCS or even a carver TX11a or b. Michael --- Chris Cuff wrote: > Doug at KLUV just sent me an email with this > receiver I have never seen > before- go check it out # 3072619038 > It is a digital Sharp receiver with am stereo. > Chris > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jan 20 15:50:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32832 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 23:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 23:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 23:50:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 23:49:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:49:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1032 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: 96 Tears X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > This from my DJ-Oldies Stereo contact at the station. > > Later this year... The Cameo-Parkway catalogue will be released on CD > for the first time ever. We'll see if that includes a REAL stereo > version of 96 Tears (he doubts it). It will definitely receive a re- > mastering! His lips to God's ear. We've heard this song before, but hopefully they really mean it this time. There was an article in Goldmine a year or so ago that said they (ABKCO) were giving C-P the same treatment as the Sam Cooke and Rolling Stones material--dual-layer SACDs from the first generation masters. That, I must say, would ROCK. BTW, there is not much true stereo in the C-P pop catalog. Once a mono mix was done for the single, they just didn't see any need to do a stereo one. Even later tracks like the Tymes "So Much In Love" were mono/simulated only on the LPs. And the stereo they did do was, to put it kindly, atrocious, although I suspect remasters with better mixes are possible. We'll just have to wait and see. From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jan 20 15:51:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49452 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 23:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 23:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 23:51:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 23:50:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:50:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 348 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: Playing the Stereo files on my station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > I was wondering if its ok to use these stereo songs on my station. If > anyone has any problems, email me at pd@9... Great topic, wish > I could contribute... Since we don't own the copyrights, it's none of our business. Be advised that the fake stereo "96 Tears" will sound pretty strange to anyone listening in mono. But broadcast away. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 15:56:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16495 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 23:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 23:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 23:56:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 23:56:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:56:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 890 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.12 Subject: Re: Newbie Help Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Go to ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/ and go to either > the "stereo versions" or "long versions" directories and download > to your heart's content! Indeed, but it cannot be ignored that the RIAA has lately been conducting its legal actions offensively, rather than defensively. So if you find a nice song that is clearly known to be in the public domain (such as several tracks on the Beatles' "Let It Be" album are) then by all means, upload it and let everybody know about it... but otherwise, I must disclaim that copyrighted material is uploaded and downloaded at your own risk. Obviously, I don't think the record companies are going to lose that much money if a few people share a few songs that are generally unavailable on the commercial market anyway. But laws are laws and we must remember that they remain in effect regardless if it makes sense or not. From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Jan 20 16:13:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22410 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 00:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 00:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 00:13:20 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040121001318.XWGG15401.fed1mtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:13:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:13:26 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.126 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Carver TX11a Vs TX11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > 2. One decent AM music station doesn't call for major modifications > to > > a tuner, in my opinion. > > In my opinion, if it's stereo, it does, but if mono, just listen as is > (if you like the music). > > I probably wrote that wrong. What I meant was the TX11b sounds fine as it is, even though mods can be made to make it better. One stereo station would not make me change the TX11b. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 16:27:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4340 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 00:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 00:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 00:26:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 00:26:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:26:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2388 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.12 Subject: Re: 96 Tears remastered X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Later this year... The Cameo-Parkway catalogue will be released on > CD for the first time ever. We'll see if that includes a REAL > stereo version of 96 Tears (he doubts it). It will definitely > receive a re-mastering! ...which probably won't be an improvement, considering the generally horrid quality of almost everything marked as "Digitally Remastered" in the past few years. If you like lots and lots of compression, equalization, and peak clipping applied to the music, then you'll enjoy today's "remastered" CDs; but otherwise, releases issued prior to the late '90s are almost always better and more faithful to the original sound of the music. For example, I think the following graph speaks for itself: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/remaster.gif On top is the waveform graph of the original 1983 CD release of the ABBA song "The Visitors"; below that is waveform graph of the same song, as it is found on a "digitally remastered" CD released in 2002. And that's a big joke anyway, because that song was digitally mastered *to begin with* -- "The Visitors" was digitally recorded in 1981 and first released on CD in Europe in 1983. Thus, whenever I find that one of my favorite albums has been newly "digitally remastered", I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole; even CDs that are "24-Bit Digitally Remastered at Abbey Road Studios" have been sonically *trashed* in this manner. Mastering engineers have become very scared to release anything that sounds "quieter" or less compressed than today's Britney Spears and Kid Rock CDs, and music fans have all suffered as a result. It's no less offensive than the thought of giving the Mona Lisa a botox injection and a boob-job. And this is relevant to radio, too -- because as Robert Orban has discussed, whenver you play something on the radio that is already highly compressed and clipped right on the CD, then it will only sound worse when it is put through the radio station's own audio processing. Clipping distortion is often magnified to the point of becoming annoyingly audible -- sometimes almost as bad as the "hot" 45 RPM singles of the '60s sounded on the radio. Therefore, when assembling a music collection for any radio station-- AM Stereo or not -- the goal should be to acquire the *cleanest* copy of each song, not necessarily the *newest* copy. From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Tue Jan 20 17:33:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6527 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 01:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 01:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 01:33:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 01:33:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:33:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c3dfa9$b23cc520$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 932 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.25.201.10 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Agreed. That is one incredible song. Never in stereo. Probably never will be. Legend has it that the song was recorded as a demo. When the song was finally "disovered" the original tape had been lost or wiped. An acetate disk was used to create the original "tape master". Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Thanks for the memory jog Narkspud! That Carole King song is one of my > all-time favorites- I went right to ebay and bought 2 copies- one from the > UK on Parlophone with the un-punched center, and the other on Dimension from > here in the USA. > That song, released in 1962, was a minor hit- but Gawd- how old could she > have been then??? > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: narkspud > > Carole King's "It Might As Well Rain Until September" (the latter of which > may > > have actually been recorded in a tin can, come to think of it). From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Tue Jan 20 17:50:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96270 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 01:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 01:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 01:50:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 01:50:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:50:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4066 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.25.201.10 Subject: Re: 96 Tears remastered X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow You folks are hitting on *all* of my music buttons. This is one huge gripe I have with some newly mastered CDs -- they are getting the dynamic range squashed out of them just like the radio stations are doing to their own singal. Maximum volume. In the early days of CDs, because the manufacturing rejection rates were so high AND the record companies were deathly afraid that the public would reject the format if one high profile release would be recalled because of a mastering (distortion) error, CDs were not mastered "hot". Rarely would 0db be reached. The usual peak level was about -6db. It's true, the early CDs sound "quieter" and yet, despite, the lower levels have a purity of sound that many CDs of today do not have. Today, CDs are a commodity like sliced bread. Bean counters (no offense to any accountants on this list) have stepped in and they want maximum sales which translates to being the loudest CD on the block (just like radio stations) which the general public perceives as sounding better. If a radio station turns off Volumax or whatever do the other stations get the nasty calls because they are too loud. Noooooo. The "quiet" station has something wrong with its signal. I was a very early adopter of CDs and had nearly 200 before 1985 (mostly 50s, 60s, and 70s rock and roll) and these are still the core of my collection. Pick up a Steve Hoffman remastered The Mamas The and Papas "16 of Their Greatest Hits" on MCA CD from 1985 (good luck in finding one). Incredible. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Later this year... The Cameo-Parkway catalogue will be released on > > CD for the first time ever. We'll see if that includes a REAL > > stereo version of 96 Tears (he doubts it). It will definitely > > receive a re-mastering! > > ...which probably won't be an improvement, considering the generally > horrid quality of almost everything marked as "Digitally Remastered" > in the past few years. If you like lots and lots of compression, > equalization, and peak clipping applied to the music, then you'll > enjoy today's "remastered" CDs; but otherwise, releases issued prior > to the late '90s are almost always better and more faithful to the > original sound of the music. > > For example, I think the following graph speaks for itself: > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/remaster.gif > > On top is the waveform graph of the original 1983 CD release of the > ABBA song "The Visitors"; below that is waveform graph of the same > song, as it is found on a "digitally remastered" CD released in 2002. > And that's a big joke anyway, because that song was digitally > mastered *to begin with* -- "The Visitors" was digitally recorded in > 1981 and first released on CD in Europe in 1983. > > Thus, whenever I find that one of my favorite albums has been newly > "digitally remastered", I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole; > even CDs that are "24-Bit Digitally Remastered at Abbey Road Studios" > have been sonically *trashed* in this manner. Mastering engineers > have become very scared to release anything that sounds "quieter" or > less compressed than today's Britney Spears and Kid Rock CDs, and > music fans have all suffered as a result. It's no less offensive > than the thought of giving the Mona Lisa a botox injection and a > boob-job. > > And this is relevant to radio, too -- because as Robert Orban has > discussed, whenver you play something on the radio that is already > highly compressed and clipped right on the CD, then it will only > sound worse when it is put through the radio station's own audio > processing. Clipping distortion is often magnified to the point of > becoming annoyingly audible -- sometimes almost as bad as the "hot" > 45 RPM singles of the '60s sounded on the radio. > > Therefore, when assembling a music collection for any radio station-- > AM Stereo or not -- the goal should be to acquire the *cleanest* copy > of each song, not necessarily the *newest* copy. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 18:05:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68677 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 02:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 02:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 02:05:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 02:05:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:05:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 179 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 209.30.155.39 Subject: Eico Tube AM Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Was Eico a kit radio? This looks like an interesting conversion... and someone may have just got it for a bargain: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3071717655 From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 18:12:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64804 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 02:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 02:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 02:12:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 02:12:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:12:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c3dfa9$b23cc520$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 250 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > That song, released in 1962, was a minor hit- but Gawd- how old could she > have been then??? Remember, she was Neil Sedaka's love interest of the time. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 18:28:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88810 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 02:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 02:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 02:28:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 02:27:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:27:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1524 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.12 Subject: Re: 96 Tears remastered X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is one huge gripe I have with some newly mastered CDs -- they > are getting the dynamic range squashed out of them just like the > radio stations are doing to their own singal. Maximum volume. Even cassettes are much more compressed than they used to be. I have an ELO cassette that was mastered in 1975, with only Dolby B NR on regular Type I tape. The dynamic range is excellent! They were actually not afraid to let some parts of the music fall below the noise floor. So, yeah, there's some background hiss. But it's crisp, clear, and dynamic. Then compare that to Tal Bachman's 1999 self-titled debut album. It's one of the "loudest" CDs in my collection, and the cassette is almost as bad. On the uptempo songs, my cassette deck's level meters are often *continuously pegged* at the +8 dB mark! But it is amazing that even with the tape clearly pushed into saturation, the cassette still sounds cleaner than the CD, because there isn't any square-wave digital clipping. And for those of you with "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitters, you may find that cassettes sound better "on the air" than CDs, because a typical pre-recorded cassette will already have a level of audio processing on it similar to that of a lightly configured Optimod, especially if you play a Dolby cassette with the Dolby NR turned off. So, even without any extra audio processing, you can increase your modulation level and you won't get the kind of "spitting" on treble peaks like CDs or MP3s often cause. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 18:50:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41341 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 02:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 02:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 02:50:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 02:50:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:48:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1531 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: Newbie Help Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Obviously, I don't think the record companies are going to lose that > much money if a few people share a few songs that are generally > unavailable on the commercial market anyway. But laws are laws and > we must remember that they remain in effect regardless if it makes > sense or not. This is largely why I suggested a cutoff date of 1980, since most music before that generates very little money for the record companies, being older material. They're FAR more interested in going after large-scale violations involving commercially saleable material. This is why I don't concentrate on current-era pop music if I can help it, and go for international music not normally heard here, as well as lesser-considered music, such as oldies, electronica, reggae, classical- Largely stuff I'm not really goi8ng to "harm" by downloading (some I actually BUY if I like it enough, like occasional Russian techno, for example). Yes, copyrights must be considered, and there are quite a few who actually welcome their works being downloaded. Why? Exposure. The Big Labels want you to buy, but they're reluctant to expose you to what they have to offer, which I think is just plain stupid. We must be careful enough not to draw TOO much attention, and additionally, I think any files in place shouldn't be there more than a couple months at best- Again, to minimize attracting attention, since very large archivesw do. Amy6. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 19:00:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93212 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 03:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 03:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 03:00:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 02:58:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:57:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1014 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: 96 Tears remastered X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Later this year... The Cameo-Parkway catalogue will be released on > > CD for the first time ever. We'll see if that includes a REAL > > stereo version of 96 Tears (he doubts it). It will definitely > > receive a re-mastering! > > ...which probably won't be an improvement, considering the generally > horrid quality of almost everything marked as "Digitally Remastered" > in the past few years. If you like lots and lots of compression, > equalization, and peak clipping applied to the music, then you'll > enjoy today's "remastered" CDs; but otherwise, releases issued prior > to the late '90s are almost always better and more faithful to the > original sound of the music. All I'll say is that from what I have experienced over the years, ABKCO has never been one for quality remastering. I wish it was in the paws of Ace/Charly of the UK- This is something they're nown for- Quality remastering. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Jan 20 21:07:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93943 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 05:07:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 05:07:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 05:07:36 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040121050738.PUXS3905.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:07:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:07:36 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.241 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Eico Tube AM Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't THINK it was a kit. I have, or used to have, anyway, the FM version of this tuner. It had been converted to stereo by the time it was given to me. On Tuesday, January 20, 2004, at 06:05 PM, Douglas B. wrote: > Was Eico a kit radio? > > This looks like an interesting conversion... and someone may have just > got it for a > bargain: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3071717655 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 21:20:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57275 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 05:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 05:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 05:20:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20040121052009.42834.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:20:09 PST Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:20:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.70 From: "John P." Subject: Whose got a Harris or Gates Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Broadcast Engineers out there - take a break from our Stereo music discussions to check out this on eBay: Harris AMS-G1 AM Broadcast Stereo Exciter works on the DX series transmitters, and is rack mount, not just a card to fit in, so you could add it on another Xmitter with TTL input! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jan 20 22:48:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79266 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 06:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 06:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 06:48:09 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0L6k1pX095166 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:46:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <400E20A1.2070304@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:48:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20040121052009.42834.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040121052009.42834.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Whose got a Harris or Gates Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Thanks for the INFO I could always use a backup Exciter.. I already placed a Bid still under the reserve.. Please let me know who Else bids on this... I wonder what station It came out of???? My Ebay name is Whatamix... Neal Newman-CE WTTM 1680 am stereo Princeton,NJ John P. wrote: >Broadcast Engineers out there - take a break from our Stereo music discussions > >to check out this on eBay: > >Harris AMS-G1 AM Broadcast Stereo Exciter > >works on the DX series transmitters, and is rack mount, not just a card to fit >in, so you could add it on another Xmitter with TTL input! > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 23:00:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67077 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 07:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 07:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 07:00:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 07:00:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:00:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 689 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Carver TX11a Vs TX11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > > > 2. One decent AM music station doesn't call for major modifications > > to > > > a tuner, in my opinion. > > > > In my opinion, if it's stereo, it does, but if mono, just listen as is > > (if you like the music). > > > > > I probably wrote that wrong. What I meant was the TX11b sounds fine as > it is, even though mods can be made to make it better. One stereo > station would not make me change the TX11b. > Ahh so I misunderstood. :) I was thinking modifying a cheap AM mono radio, not one that was already a good one. :P > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 00:09:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26998 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 08:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 08:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 08:09:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 08:09:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:09:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c3dfa7$bb8b31e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1136 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Sotiris" X-Originating-IP: 194.219.66.178 Subject: Re: {AMSF} looking for a metrosound X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Chris I'm very interested on a Metrosound AMS400. I'll wait until weather there permits you to find them. Please email me ASAP when you'll find them!!! Whats the aprox cost per unit??? Cash waiting!!! ;) Also if there is an "Alfredo Lite" available I'll buy it right now. Regards Sotris Pdmtr FM & TV PLL transmitters at http://www.aspisys.com/products.htm ASPiSYS Ltd. P.O.Box 14386 Athens 11510 GREECE Tel : +30 210 7719 544 Fax : +30 210 7714 983 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I still have a couple of Metrosounds- The only trouble is they are in my > outside barn, and the level of debris in there right now , plus the cold, > makes it impossible to find them right now. I also have full schematics of > Metrosounds too. If we get a break in the weather, I will dig them out. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard_K_Hester > To: > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:42 PM > Subject: {AMSF} looking for a metrosound > > > > I am still looking for a metrosound to buy!! much less have the > > manual!!LOL Richard From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 00:11:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21836 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 08:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 08:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 08:11:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 08:11:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:11:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040120180504.26138.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1162 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Sotiris" X-Originating-IP: 194.219.66.178 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for a Metrosound AMS400!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Thanks for the response. I'll check it with him. Regards Sotris Pdmtr FM & TV PLL transmitters at http://www.aspisys.com/products.htm ASPiSYS Ltd. P.O.Box 14386 Athens 11510 GREECE Tel : +30 210 7719 544 Fax : +30 210 7714 983 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Chris Cuff from the AM Stereo site may be able to help > try > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/ > > Michael > --- Sotiris wrote: > > Hi > > As an AMS all systems reference base receiver for my > > shack I need to > > buy a metrosound adapter. Are there any still > > available and if, where > > I can look??? Need to be purchased with Visa and to > > be posted to > > Greece!!! Any info is welcome!!! > > Regards > > > > Sotris Pdmtr > > FM & TV PLL transmitters at > > http://www.aspisys.com/products.htm > > > > ASPiSYS Ltd. > > P.O.Box 14386 > > Athens 11510 > > GREECE > > Tel : +30 210 7719 544 > > Fax : +30 210 7714 983 > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Jan 21 00:37:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26758 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 08:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 08:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 08:37:55 -0000 Received: from JimSmith (host-66-81-48-172.rev.o1.com [66.81.48.172]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i0L8bja23542; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:37:45 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c3dff9$27546940$1413fea9@JimSmith> To: "AMSTEREO" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:32:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: KFRC AM 610 Harris Gates 5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 KFRC AM 610 uses a Harris Gates 5. Thay are 5'000 watts day and night non da. Thay would sound garet with that thay are still at full 10 khz. But thay do'nt lessen to me. Jim S From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jan 21 00:41:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17871 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 08:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 08:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 08:41:09 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.138]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:47:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c3dffa$1648e580$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:39:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Eico Tube AM Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Eico was primarily a Kit maker. They offered their stuff factory built, but most were sold in kit form. Very good quality, too. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Wagoner To: Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:07 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Eico Tube AM Tuner > I don't THINK it was a kit. I have, or used to have, anyway, the FM > version of this tuner. It had been converted to stereo by the time it > was given to me. From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jan 21 00:52:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62405 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 08:52:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 08:52:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 08:52:23 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.138]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:59:14 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01c3dffb$a889e2e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:50:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: remastered X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 This is a problem I have seen more than once- I bought Good Charlotte's CD, as it has so many good hits on it, but it doesn't sound "right"! In the car, the bass is too high, the vocals are too distant- it is not compressed like "on the air"- I got used to the radio sound and now my ears are conditioned for that... AAARRRGGGG Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:27 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: 96 Tears remastered > > This is one huge gripe I have with some newly mastered CDs -- they > > are getting the dynamic range squashed out of them just like the > > radio stations are doing to their own singal. Maximum volume. From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jan 21 04:36:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46239 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 12:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 12:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 12:36:34 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0LCYQpX096300 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:34:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <400E724B.2030304@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:36:27 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <002f01c3dffb$a889e2e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <002f01c3dffb$a889e2e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: remastered X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL that Figures.. I know those Guys.. I did monitors for them a few times when they passed through the local Clubs..Fun bunch of guys... Chris Cuff wrote: >This is a problem I have seen more than once- I bought Good Charlotte's CD, >as it has so many good hits on it, but it doesn't sound "right"! In the car, >the bass is too high, the vocals are too distant- it is not compressed like >"on the air"- I got used to the radio sound and now my ears are conditioned >for that... AAARRRGGGG >Chris >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kevin T. >To: >Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:27 PM >Subject: {AMSF} Re: 96 Tears remastered > > > > >>>This is one huge gripe I have with some newly mastered CDs -- they >>>are getting the dynamic range squashed out of them just like the >>>radio stations are doing to their own singal. Maximum volume. >>> >>> > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 06:40:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77926 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 14:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 14:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 14:40:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 14:38:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:38:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 296 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 209.30.155.39 Subject: radio compression X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Radio stations can indeed go nuts with compression... I've never hooked one of these up... but, if you run your home receiver through this, aren't you able to counter some of the compression from the radio station? The DBX 118: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2374824384 From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 07:42:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18550 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 15:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 15:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 15:42:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 15:41:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:41:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 923 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: 96 Tears remastered X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > ...which probably won't be an improvement, considering the generally > horrid quality of almost everything marked as "Digitally Remastered" > in the past few years. Well, you should check out the Rolling Stones and Sam Cooke material on the new ABKCO dual layer SACDs (which BTW can be played in any CD player). Excellent sound all around, including dynamic range. A humongous improvement over ABKCO's earlier work with these catalogs, which as Amy noted, was inept. The only thing I'd worry about with "96 Tears" is, do they actually have the original master? It was an outside production job, and those are the very tapes that have a tendency to disappear. Witness "Hanky Panky," "Girl Watcher," "Rama Lama Ding Dong," The Regents' "Barbara Ann" . . . . . You know what a picky cuss I am, and I'm looking forward to the C-P set. I think they'll do an excellent job with it. IF they actually do it. From g7ltt@g7ltt.com Wed Jan 21 07:45:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: g7ltt@g7ltt.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85774 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 15:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 15:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 15:44:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 15:43:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:43:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 730 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Mark Phillips" X-Originating-IP: 63.88.139.130 Subject: IBOC interferance recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10386607 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc2eni Hi all, I've giving a talk on DAB at the 2004 Kulspville SWLFest this year and will be covering IBOC (amongst other things). As part of my talk I'd like to play some sound files of the interferance that some folks are receiving when listening to non IBOC stations. Does anyone have any recordings they can send me? For some reason I'm unable to hear the invasion of IBOC on other stations at my house. Perhaps it has something to do with my poor AM setup (I run a RX320D and a CCRadio). for those of you whom don;t know about the SWLFest, its a SWL only convention that is held every year at Kulpsville. Goto www.swlfest.com for more details. On the program this year (apart from me) is a talk on LW/MW DX'ing. Mark, KC2ENI From g7ltt@g7ltt.com Wed Jan 21 07:48:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: g7ltt@g7ltt.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17198 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 15:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 15:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 15:48:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 15:47:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:47:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 949 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Mark Phillips" X-Originating-IP: 63.88.139.130 Subject: Re: IBOC interferance recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10386607 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc2eni While you're at it, could someone send me some grammar and spelling. I seem to be all out right now ;-} --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Phillips" wrote: > Hi all, > > I've giving a talk on DAB at the 2004 Kulspville SWLFest this year and > will be covering IBOC (amongst other things). As part of my talk I'd > like to play some sound files of the interferance that some folks are > receiving when listening to non IBOC stations. > > Does anyone have any recordings they can send me? For some reason I'm > unable to hear the invasion of IBOC on other stations at my house. > Perhaps it has something to do with my poor AM setup (I run a RX320D > and a CCRadio). > > > for those of you whom don;t know about the SWLFest, its a SWL only > convention that is held every year at Kulpsville. Goto www.swlfest.com > for more details. > > On the program this year (apart from me) is a talk on LW/MW DX'ing. > > Mark, KC2ENI From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 07:54:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20042 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 15:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 15:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 15:54:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 15:54:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:54:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 562 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: radio compression X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Radio stations can indeed go nuts with compression... > > I've never hooked one of these up... but, if you run your home > receiver through this, aren't you able to counter some of the > compression from the radio station? The DBX box likely would be of some benefit, but you'd really need a multi-band expander to combat the multi-band compression that radio stations use these days, and I've never heard of one. I have a Bogen receiver from the early '70s which has a built-in compressor/expander, but its reaction time is too slow to be of much use. From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 08:22:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7140 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 16:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 16:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 16:22:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 16:21:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:21:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 757 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: IBOC interferance recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > Does anyone have any recordings they can send me? For some reason I'm > unable to hear the invasion of IBOC on other stations at my house. I've got KTNQ barrelling in from just 10 miles away from my house. It isn't interfering with any station I was able to hear before (it's just far enough away from KNX to avoid ruining my life forever) but you should hear how it interferes with *itself* on a wideband radio! I'm going to try to catch a recording of them actually turning the IBOC on in the morning, so you can hear before and after. I'll post the result as an MP3 on the FTP site if that's OK with everybody. The hash is audible on any radio, but absolutely earsplitting on the Superradio, SRF-A100, and TX-11a--even in narrowband mode. From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Jan 21 08:32:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76012 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 16:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 16:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 16:32:44 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040121163230.YWYI3322.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:32:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:32:36 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6C1D7393-4C2F-11D8-A3D3-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.244 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC interferance recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They interfere with stations from Mexico and San Diego, 1000 KCEO and=20 1040 X???? Not in the protected contour, though. Gee, if IBOC was on in the 1970s, I would never have been able to hear=20 my favorite at the time, KCBQ. On Wednesday, January 21, 2004, at 08:21 AM, narkspud wrote: > > > Does anyone have any recordings they can send me? For some reason I'm > > unable to hear the invasion of IBOC on other stations at my house. > > I've got KTNQ barrelling in from just 10 miles away from my house.=A0 It= =20 > isn't > interfering with any station I was able to hear before (it's just far=20 > enough away > from KNX to avoid ruining my life forever) but you should hear how it > interferes with *itself* on a wideband radio! > > I'm going to try to catch a recording of them actually turning the=20 > IBOC on in the > morning, so you can hear before and after.=A0 I'll post the result as an= =20 > MP3 on > the FTP site if that's OK with everybody.=A0 The hash is audible on any=20 > radio, but > absolutely earsplitting on the Superradio, SRF-A100, and TX-11a--even=20 > in > narrowband mode. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jan 21 09:53:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77225 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 17:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 17:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 17:53:42 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.94.424d25b9 (16781) for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:52:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <94.424d25b9.2d401645@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:52:05 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.4 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Whose got a Harris or Gates Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/21/04 1:54:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 groucho@skyweb.net writes: > Thanks for the INFO > I could always use a backup Exciter.. > I already placed a Bid still under the reserve.. > Please let me know who Else bids on this... > I wonder what station It came out of???? > My Ebay name is Whatamix... > Neal Newman-CE > WTTM 1680 am stereo Princeton,NJ >=20 > John P. wrote: >=20 > >Broadcast Engineers out there - take a break from our Stereo music=20 > discussions=20 > > > >to check out this on eBay:=20 > > > >Harris AMS-G1 AM Broadcast Stereo Exciter > > > >works on the DX series transmitters, and is rack mount, not just a card = to=20 > fit > >in, so you could add it on another Xmitter with TTL input! >=20 I did a search for this exciter and evidently I must not be using the corre= ct=20 keywords in my search as I can not find the rascal on eBay.Even typed in...= =20 Harris AMS-G1 AM Broadcast Stereo Exciter ...and nothing found.I was gonna = take=20 a peek to see if we can figure out where it might have come from. Good luck Neal on getting the exciter! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jan 21 10:56:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49551 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 18:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 18:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 18:56:18 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0LIsFIn000945 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:54:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <400ECB4C.6010608@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:56:12 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <94.424d25b9.2d401645@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <94.424d25b9.2d401645@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Whose got a Harris or Gates Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BOB I just typed in Harris AMS and found it KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 1/21/04 1:54:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, >groucho@skyweb.net writes: > > > >>Thanks for the INFO >>I could always use a backup Exciter.. >>I already placed a Bid still under the reserve.. >>Please let me know who Else bids on this... >>I wonder what station It came out of???? >>My Ebay name is Whatamix... >>Neal Newman-CE >>WTTM 1680 am stereo Princeton,NJ >> >>John P. wrote: >> >> >> >>>Broadcast Engineers out there - take a break from our Stereo music >>> >>> >>discussions >> >> >>>to check out this on eBay: >>> >>>Harris AMS-G1 AM Broadcast Stereo Exciter >>> >>>works on the DX series transmitters, and is rack mount, not just a card to >>> >>> >>fit >> >> >>>in, so you could add it on another Xmitter with TTL input! >>> >>> > >I did a search for this exciter and evidently I must not be using the correct >keywords in my search as I can not find the rascal on eBay.Even typed in... >Harris AMS-G1 AM Broadcast Stereo Exciter ...and nothing found.I was gonna take >a peek to see if we can figure out where it might have come from. >Good luck Neal on getting the exciter! > >Bob Carter >Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division >WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 >Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >--------------------------------- >Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering >services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. >e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com > >------------------------KC4QLP Amateur >Radio------------------------------------------ > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.qsl.net/kc4qlp >Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) >_______________________________________________________ > >* List owner: >Group name: Echolink-Open-List >Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List >Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 11:30:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43951 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 19:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 19:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.172) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 19:30:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:30:17 -0800 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:30:17 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:30:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2004 19:30:17.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[00078280:01C3E055] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.172 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: Sony CFS-230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Does anyone know if the Sony CFS-230 is AM stereo? There is no stereo indicator on this unit (not even for FM). The front says "FM/AM STEREO CASSETTE-CORDER" giving a hint this is an AM stereo receiver. Paul Crane _________________________________________________________________ High-speed users—be more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 11:39:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46679 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 19:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 19:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 19:39:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20040121193927.80176.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.163] by web41206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:39:27 PST Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:39:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.39 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CFS-230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Sony appears to write "FM Stereo/AM stereo if it does AMS but if its not it usually says AM/FM Stereo in that order. Michael --- Paul Crane wrote: > Does anyone know if the Sony CFS-230 is AM stereo? > There is no stereo > indicator on this unit (not even for FM). The front > says "FM/AM STEREO > CASSETTE-CORDER" giving a hint this is an AM stereo > receiver. > > Paul Crane __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 11:39:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66534 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 19:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 19:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 19:39:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 19:38:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:38:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 236 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: IBOC interferance recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > the FTP site if that's OK with everybody. The hash is audible on any radio, but > absolutely earsplitting on the Superradio, SRF-A100 If it's anything like WQAM's, the hash actually comes out in *Stereo* on the SRF-A100. --tony From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 11:44:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59627 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 19:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 19:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 19:44:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 19:44:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:44:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 459 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: IBOC interferance recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > the FTP site if that's OK with everybody. The hash is audible on > any radio, but > > absolutely earsplitting on the Superradio, SRF-A100 > > If it's anything like WQAM's, the hash actually comes out in *Stereo* > on the SRF-A100. > > --tony Dunno about WQAM, but stereo is not necessary in this case. It's WORSE with forced stereo on, but it's plenty bad enough without it. From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 11:46:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49843 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 19:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 19:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 19:46:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 19:46:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:46:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 183 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: IBOC interferance recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > If it's anything like WQAM's, the hash actually comes out in *Stereo* > on the SRF-A100. Interpreting your post another way, yes, in forced stereo mode you get full stereo hash. From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 12:00:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73114 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 20:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 20:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.9) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 20:00:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:00:09 -0800 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:00:09 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:00:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2004 20:00:09.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C402BA0:01C3E059] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.9 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CFS-230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Thanks for the response. That was my understanding also, however, I'm not hearing definite separation or the spatial background sound like I hear in the car. I'm at work and my office is in the basement of an ex-bank building. AM reception is great while FM sucks (no great loss) and I can get WLS, WGTO, and WSBT easily. I'll try WJR when I get home. CFCO and WXLA will have cut power by then. Paul Crane >From: Michael and Ross >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CFS-230 >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:39:27 -0800 (PST) > >Sony appears to write "FM Stereo/AM stereo if it does >AMS but if its not it usually says AM/FM Stereo in >that order. > >Michael >--- Paul Crane wrote: > > Does anyone know if the Sony CFS-230 is AM stereo? > > There is no stereo > > indicator on this unit (not even for FM). The front > > says "FM/AM STEREO > > CASSETTE-CORDER" giving a hint this is an AM stereo > > receiver. > > > > Paul Crane > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus _________________________________________________________________ Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software — optimizes dial-up to the max! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1 From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 12:13:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47230 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 20:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 20:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 20:13:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 20:13:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:13:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2207 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: {AMSF} Re: It Might As Well Rain Until September X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > Never in stereo. Probably never will be. > > Legend has it that the song was recorded as a demo. When the song was > finally "disovered" the original tape had been lost or wiped. An > acetate disk was used to create the original "tape master". > And sounds like it, I might add. Even on the original 45. The record was a demo for Bobby Vee, who turned the song down. The owner (Don Kirshner) of the publishing company (Aldon Music) decided the demo was good enough to be a hit itself, so he started a record company (originally Companion, quickly changed to Dimension due to a trademark dispute) and put it out himself. There would be no reason to record a demo in stereo, especially onto an acetate. The thing is, once in the late 80s I was driving across NC one Sunday morning when I tuned into a station that was carrying one of those nationally syndicated oldies shows, don't remember which. The chowderheads had failed to get both stereo channels into the board, so whenever they played a "wide stereo" oldie, I got treated to a "Music Minus One" mix. Well, "It Might As Well Rain Until September" came on, and by golly it was missing the lead vocal and the strings. Definitely the original hit, but missing stuff. Sounded nice and clean, too, with none of that flangy grunge or surface noise that infests all the other copies I've ever heard. They didn't say anything about playing a special version or anything, just went on with the show. I was forced to conclude that they had a stereo version, and I was hearing only half of it. I've been looking for the fool thing ever since, and as you've probably guessed, no luck--haven't heard it, and haven't seen it mentioned in print or on the net. Don't ask me where they could've gotten it--I know it makes no sense, given the song's well-documented history. Only thing I can figure is that there are stereo copies of the "Dimension Dolls" LP floating around out there. I have it on good, though second-hand authority that the "LocoMotion" LP exists in true stereo, and it was mostly Aldon demos as well (including the hit title track). "LocoMotion" and "Dimension Dolls" were the only two Dimension LPs. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 12:33:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75801 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 20:33:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 20:33:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 20:33:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 20:33:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:33:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6C1D7393-4C2F-11D8-A3D3-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2017 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC interferance recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key 1040 is KURS. They share the tower with 1240 KSON at the I-5 and Hwy 15 (south of I-8 it's not I-15) interchange. I'm not getting any hash at 1020 or nearby in El Cajon, but then that's probably cause I can't get KTNQ hardly at all here in the daytime. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > They interfere with stations from Mexico and San Diego, 1000 KCEO and=20 > 1040 X???? >=20 > Not in the protected contour, though. >=20 > Gee, if IBOC was on in the 1970s, I would never have been able to hear=20 > my favorite at the time, KCBQ. >=20 > On Wednesday, January 21, 2004, at 08:21 AM, narkspud wrote: >=20 > > > > > Does anyone have any recordings they can send me? For some reason I'm > > > unable to hear the invasion of IBOC on other stations at my house. > > > > I've got KTNQ barrelling in from just 10 miles away from my house. It=20 > > isn't > > interfering with any station I was able to hear before (it's just far=20 > > enough away > > from KNX to avoid ruining my life forever) but you should hear how it > > interferes with *itself* on a wideband radio! > > > > I'm going to try to catch a recording of them actually turning the=20 > > IBOC on in the > > morning, so you can hear before and after. I'll post the result as an=20 > > MP3 on > > the FTP site if that's OK with everybody. The hash is audible on any=20 > > radio, but > > absolutely earsplitting on the Superradio, SRF-A100, and TX-11a--even=20 > > in > > narrowband mode. > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 12:40:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89549 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 20:39:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 20:39:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 20:39:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 20:39:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:39:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 592 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Observations on latest stereo oldies posts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Two more fakes up now . . . DANG good ones, but given away by the extreme EQ on the vocals and general indistinct muddiness of the instruments: "You Got What It Takes" and "I Wonder Why." I would suspect that there is a real one for "You Got What It Takes" out there somewhere. But that ain't it. "I Wonder Why" was on that Ace Dion CD that everyone raves about, mastered straight off the session tape--which is full track mono. I GUARANTEE there is no stereo version of it. "Jailhouse Rock" and "Catch a Falling Star" are COOL, though. I'd never heard those in stereo before. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 13:26:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92609 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 21:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 21:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 21:26:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 21:26:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:26:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 912 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: Observations on latest stereo oldies posts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Well... "I Wonder Why" is from a recent boxed set called King of the New York Streets on Right Stuff records. And it IS a stereo track. If you've got the ability to pan far left and far right and listen to each channel separately, you'll hear how there's no way it's a fake. Don't know the original source for "You Got What It Takes", but the same pan trick--listening to each channel separately--will reveal that different instruments are on different channels. Also, the extended fade on "You Got What It Takes" would indicate that it came from a source OTHER than the mono 45 rpm master. >>Two more fakes up now . . . DANG good ones, but given away by the extreme EQ on the vocals and general indistinct muddiness of the instruments: "You Got What It Takes" and "I Wonder Why." I would suspect that there is a real one for "You Got What It Takes" out there somewhere. But that ain't it.<< From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 13:38:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47650 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 21:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 21:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 21:38:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 21:38:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:38:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 892 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: Observations on latest stereo oldies posts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > Well... "I Wonder Why" is from a recent boxed set called King of the > New York Streets on Right Stuff records. And it IS a stereo track. > If you've got the ability to pan far left and far right and listen to > each channel separately, you'll hear how there's no way it's a fake. > Right Stuff, eh? I've found them to be on the whole trustworthy, and they are an EMI affiliate (IE they have access to the Laurie and UA master tapes). I may have to eat crow on these two . . . I'll double check them when I get home to the *real* system. They sound faked on my office system, but I must admit, if it is fake, then it's the best fake I've ever heard. If my right channel has picked up some sort of EQ flaw . . . . Yep, better recheck 'em at home. I'm not backing down on "96 Tears," though. :-P From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jan 21 13:44:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91960 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 21:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 21:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 21:44:40 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.237]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:51:20 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c3e067$84732da0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:42:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CFS-230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The CFS-230 is most definitely NOT am stereo. The only vintage Sony boombox marketed in the USA with am stereo is the CFS-6000. After this model, there would be no more offered to the USA. The SRF-42 was the only model after these that included ams for the USA. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Crane From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 13:53:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36109 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 21:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 21:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 21:53:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 21:52:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:52:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1284 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: Observations on latest stereo oldies posts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee By the way... these cuts were dumped to MP3 from an Audio Vault system... not from the CD's. And they were probably EQ'd on the way into the AV. So your ears weren't betraying you on the EQ issue. They ARE stereo, but not necessarily EQ'ed the way you'd want them. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." > wrote: > > Well... "I Wonder Why" is from a recent boxed set called King of the > > New York Streets on Right Stuff records. And it IS a stereo track. > > If you've got the ability to pan far left and far right and listen to > > each channel separately, you'll hear how there's no way it's a fake. > > > > Right Stuff, eh? I've found them to be on the whole trustworthy, and they are > an EMI affiliate (IE they have access to the Laurie and UA master tapes). I > may have to eat crow on these two . . . I'll double check them when I get home > to the *real* system. They sound faked on my office system, but I must admit, > if it is fake, then it's the best fake I've ever heard. If my right channel has > picked up some sort of EQ flaw . . . . Yep, better recheck 'em at home. > > I'm not backing down on "96 Tears," though. :-P From rkhester@up-link.net Wed Jan 21 14:23:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83780 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 22:23:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 22:23:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 22:23:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 22:21:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:21:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 137 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 170.94.116.114 Subject: Harris AMS Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 I tried to find the Harris AMS exciter just now, I can't find it no matter what I type in. Wonder if it is still there? Richard W5RHS From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 14:35:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90284 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 22:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 22:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 22:35:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 22:34:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:34:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 362 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Mighty Quinn? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Anybody think it's a fake? Sounds like the mono version run through a stereo reverb plug-in to me. I know there are a few Manfred Mann CD's out there with re-masters of The Mighty Quinn, but I haven't heard them. And, on the Manfred Mann Web site, it doesn't say whether any of the re-masters are in stereo. There's an Alternate Take available for sure. From rkhester@up-link.net Wed Jan 21 14:54:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99215 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 22:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 22:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 22:54:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 22:54:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:53:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 465 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 170.94.116.114 Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC interferance recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 Go to the upload section in the web-site and click on 700 wlw IBOC test. You can here the noise in the background. I work as a radio dispatcher and it sounds like a Digital PL tone on some of our police repeaters along with some hiss thrown in for good measure. Very nasty sound.....Richard w5rhs > > > > Does anyone have any recordings they can send me? For some > reason I'm > > > > unable to hear the invasion of IBOC on other stations at my house. From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 15:07:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26919 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 23:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 23:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 23:07:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 23:07:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:07:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 118 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "mtgc09161948" X-Originating-IP: 171.75.128.10 Subject: Rolling Stones Satisfaction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Great Intro!! Great Stereo. I would love to have the entire record. Can you post the entire cut? Thanks Michael From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jan 21 15:16:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61934 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 23:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 23:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 23:16:40 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0LNEcIn006195 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:14:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <400F0854.4060906@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:16:36 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 apparently he pulled the Item from Ebay.... I had a Bid on it and My account shows that I have No Bids Pending. there was 4 days Left.. and 29 people Viewed the Item at the Time of my bid. I wonder If someone Emailed him to remove it and would pay him what he wanted for the unit. his account was I believe atv96 or somethnig like that atv???? Neal Richard_K_Hester wrote: >I tried to find the Harris AMS exciter just now, I can't find it no >matter what I type in. Wonder if it is still there? Richard W5RHS > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jan 21 15:20:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74759 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 23:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 23:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 23:20:36 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.176]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:27:26 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c3e074$f0f93d40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <400F0854.4060906@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:18:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 If it was ATVM, I have had some serious problems with that seller. A shady one, to say the least- and he has more than one negative feedback... He sells all kinds of electronic stuff/. If it "was" ATVM, be glad you didn't win it. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman To: Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 6:16 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS Exciter > apparently he pulled the Item from Ebay.... > I had a Bid on it and My account shows that I have No Bids Pending. > there was 4 days Left.. > and 29 people Viewed the Item at the Time of my bid. > I wonder If someone Emailed him to remove it and would pay him what he > wanted for the unit. > his account was I believe atv96 or somethnig like that atv???? > Neal From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Jan 21 15:22:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18544 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 23:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 23:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 23:22:06 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040121232206.LPCM27510.fed1mtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:22:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:22:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002901c3e074$f0f93d40$0101a8c0@pavilion> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.243 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can't he have his ebay account pulled from actions like that? Did you check the completed items? On Wednesday, January 21, 2004, at 03:18 PM, Chris Cuff wrote: > If it was ATVM, I have had some serious problems with that seller. A=20 > shady > one, to say the least- and he has more than one negative feedback... He > sells all kinds of electronic stuff/. If it "was" ATVM, be glad you=20 > didn't > win it. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Neal Newman > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS Exciter > > > > apparently he pulled the Item from Ebay.... > > I had a Bid on it and My account shows that I have No Bids Pending. > > there was 4 days Left.. > >=A0 and 29 people Viewed the Item at the Time of my bid. > > I wonder If someone Emailed him to remove it and would pay him what=20 > he > > wanted for the unit. > >=A0 his account was I believe atv96 or somethnig like that=A0=A0 atv???? > > Neal > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 15:24:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28887 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 23:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 23:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 23:24:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 23:24:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:24:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1786 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "mtgc09161948" X-Originating-IP: 171.75.128.10 Subject: Re: Harris AMS Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Go to EBay and search for this item: 3073198180=20 It should show up. Michael Upton --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner=20 wrote: > Can't he have his ebay account pulled from actions like that? >=20 > Did you check the completed items? >=20 >=20 > On Wednesday, January 21, 2004, at 03:18 PM, Chris Cuff wrote: >=20 > > If it was ATVM, I have had some serious problems with that=20 seller. A=20 > > shady > > one, to say the least- and he has more than one negative=20 feedback... He > > sells all kinds of electronic stuff/. If it "was" ATVM, be glad=20 you=20 > > didn't > > win it. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Neal Newman > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 6:16 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS Exciter > > > > > > > apparently he pulled the Item from Ebay.... > > > I had a Bid on it and My account shows that I have No Bids=20 Pending. > > > there was 4 days Left.. > > >=A0 and 29 people Viewed the Item at the Time of my bid. > > > I wonder If someone Emailed him to remove it and would pay him=20 what=20 > > he > > > wanted for the unit. > > >=A0 his account was I believe atv96 or somethnig like that=A0=A0=20 atv???? > > > Neal > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > =A0 > > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > =A0 > > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 Service. > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From atv69nj@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 15:36:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: atv69nj@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3091 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 23:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 23:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 23:36:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 23:36:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:36:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <400F0854.4060906@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 453 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "atv69nj" X-Originating-IP: 67.82.112.51 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127038768 X-Yahoo-Profile: atv69nj Sorry for the confusion all.. The AMS-G1 is listed again.. I had a problem with ebay for some reason and the auction ended. The item has been re-listed.. There have been some security problems with eBay from what I was told from their security department, my auction wasn't the only one affected. Here is the new link for the unit.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3073381668&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 Regards, Kenneth From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 15:37:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3992 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 23:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 23:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 23:37:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 23:37:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:37:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2078 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "mtgc09161948" X-Originating-IP: 171.75.128.10 Subject: Re: Harris AMS Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 He has another AMS exciter listed. Try EBay 3073381668=20=20=20 Michael Upton --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mtgc09161948" =20 wrote: > Go to EBay and search for this item: 3073198180=20 > It should show up. >=20 > Michael Upton >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner=20 > wrote: > > Can't he have his ebay account pulled from actions like that? > >=20 > > Did you check the completed items? > >=20 > >=20 > > On Wednesday, January 21, 2004, at 03:18 PM, Chris Cuff wrote: > >=20 > > > If it was ATVM, I have had some serious problems with that=20 > seller. A=20 > > > shady > > > one, to say the least- and he has more than one negative=20 > feedback... He > > > sells all kinds of electronic stuff/. If it "was" ATVM, be=20 glad=20 > you=20 > > > didn't > > > win it. > > > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Neal Newman > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 6:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS Exciter > > > > > > > > > > apparently he pulled the Item from Ebay.... > > > > I had a Bid on it and My account shows that I have No Bids=20 > Pending. > > > > there was 4 days Left.. > > > >=A0 and 29 people Viewed the Item at the Time of my bid. > > > > I wonder If someone Emailed him to remove it and would pay=20 him=20 > what=20 > > > he > > > > wanted for the unit. > > > >=A0 his account was I believe atv96 or somethnig like that=A0=A0=20 > atv???? > > > > Neal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > > =A0 > > > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > =A0 > > > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!=20 Terms of=20 > Service. > > > > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 15:52:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64622 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 23:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 23:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 23:52:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 23:52:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:52:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 828 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.130 Subject: Re: the stereo IBOC motorboat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Interpreting your post another way, yes, in forced stereo mode you > get full stereo hash. IBOC's "tertiary" sidebands are quadrature-modulated underneath the main analog audio in the 0 to 5 kHz region. Mono receivers will be pretty much immune to this, but forced-AM Stereo receivers will pick it up as a constant "motorboating" noise, somewhat akin to the RTTY data signals on the shortwave bands. I believe the "motorboating" noise is caused by IBOC's equivalent of a "pilot tone", which is up around 300 Hz, rather than C-Quam's sub-audible 25 Hz pilot tone. On the other hand, the "primary" (10-15 kHz) and "secondary" (5-10 kHz) IBOC sidebands are amplitude-modulated, and thus will be heard as a constant hiss even on a regular mono receiver (as long as it has some degree of audio response above 5 kHz). From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 15:54:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7720 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 23:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 23:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 23:54:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 23:54:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:54:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 842 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: Mighty Quinn? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > Anybody think it's a fake? Sounds like the mono version run through > a stereo reverb plug-in to me. I'm almost scared to comment after the "I Wonder Why" thing earlier, but it sounds to me like the original mono (perhaps in fake stereo) with newly recorded stereo instrumentation layered over the top of it. Same with "You Talk Too Much." (And I was so excited when I saw that one. Darn.) I'm afraid things are getting out of hand in that folder, with it getting clogged up with such flagrant and ghastly sounding fakes as some of the "Markie" mixes. I seem to recall the original objective was to trade rare stereo files that demonstrate the superior quality of AM Stereo, so why post files that sound like doodoo, whether they be stereo or not? From atv69nj@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 15:57:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: atv69nj@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14626 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 23:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 23:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 23:57:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 23:57:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:57:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 165 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "atv69nj" X-Originating-IP: 67.82.112.51 Subject: Re: Harris AMS Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127038768 X-Yahoo-Profile: atv69nj Mike - This is the same unit that was listed originally. Please don't confuse the new listing. Neal - Sorry for the mixup on the bidding.. Regards, Kenneth From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 16:20:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16914 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 00:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 00:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 00:20:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 00:20:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:20:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1395 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.130 Subject: Re: stereo... real or fake? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > They sound faked on my office system, but I must admit, if it is > fake, then it's the best fake I've ever heard. If my right channel > has picked up some sort of EQ flaw . . . . Yep, better recheck 'em > at home. Both sound almost "half and half" to me... there is distinct separation in some parts of the sound, such as the piano in "You Got What It Takes", but the rest of the instruments and vocals sound like they've had various flange and delay effects added to simulate a stereo sound. In that case, perhaps the piano was later dubbed onto the original mono track as an extra "sweetening", and instead of a fully combined mono version, what we're hearing is the piano track being kept separate from the original pianoless take, which itself has the fake-stereo effect applied. There is one song on Hawaiian singer Don Ho's "Greatest Hits" album that's like this; the original track with Don and the band is clearly in mono, but it has stereo background vocals added to it during the chorus... so after about a minute of hearing what appears to be a mono song (with heavy reverb), suddenly the backup singers "pop out" at you in stereo during the chorus. Then there's a really cheesy "Buddy Holly & The Picks" album in which a group of singers called The Picks dubbed their background vocals -- in stereo -- on top of Buddy's original mono tracks like "Peggy Sue". From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 16:29:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1046 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 00:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 00:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 00:28:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 00:28:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:28:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 698 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: IBOC interferance recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > the FTP site if that's OK with everybody. The hash is audible on > any radio, but > > absolutely earsplitting on the Superradio, SRF-A100 > > If it's anything like WQAM's, the hash actually comes out in *Stereo* > on the SRF-A100. There is a recording of WLW in the uploads directory from its IBOC tests, as recorded from an SRF-42, I think, where you can hear the out-of-phase slow data in the quadrature, and tunes off to either side with the infamous IBOC hash. I think the moderator recorded some IBOC bandscans showing how IBOC does interfere, as well- I don't recall which files, though. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 16:30:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48191 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 00:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 00:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 00:30:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 00:30:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:30:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 451 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: stereo... real or fake? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud I think I've mentioned these before, but my favorite stereo disaster was "Finger Poppin' Time" by Hank Ballard and the Midnighters. Finger snaps on the right, EVERYTHING ELSE on the left. Technically it's stereo . . . . . Then there's the original (non-Taragon) "stereo" version of the Dixie Cups' "People Say." It's totally down-the-middle mono except for the eight measures toward the end where the chimes are playing--they're on the right. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 16:44:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65206 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 00:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 00:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 00:44:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 00:44:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:44:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 967 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: Mighty Quinn? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > Anybody think it's a fake? Sounds like the mono version run through > a stereo reverb plug-in to me. The "stereo" version is indeed a sync-up, and not from a true stereo source. Not the best of the sync-ups, either, but fun to have. One that I found labelled a sync-up sure doesn't sound like it at all, and is very much worth getting: David Seville's "Witch Doctor" (1958)- Really sounds like a typical stereo version of the day. There is another sync-up floating around- Kyu Sakamoto's "Sukiyaki", which is decent. Yet another is Shocking Blue's "Venus" that is decent, but you can tell it's a mix job, since the tonal quality varies along the recording. There are some "interesting" sync-up mixes of "Louie, Louie", "Angel Baby", "Little Bitty Pretty One", and my favorite obvious sync- up, "Since I Don't Have You", all floating around here and there. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 16:55:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67644 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 00:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 00:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 00:55:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 00:55:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:55:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 977 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: stereo... real or fake? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > I think I've mentioned these before, but my favorite stereo disaster was "Finger > Poppin' Time" by Hank Ballard and the Midnighters. Finger snaps on the > right, EVERYTHING ELSE on the left. Technically it's stereo . . . . . > > Then there's the original (non-Taragon) "stereo" version of the Dixie Cups' > "People Say." It's totally down-the-middle mono except for the eight measures > toward the end where the chimes are playing--they're on the right. I'll add to this, in that there's a stereo version of the Troggs' "Love Is All Around", in which the mono track, recorded in London, is on the right, while the STRINGS, recorded in LA, are on the left, with NO crossover. It's really freaky to listen to, but at the same time, you hear its recording history in the two layers. I need to find my copy again. o.o REALLY good test track for AMS stereo separation! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Jan 21 16:58:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79524 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 00:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 00:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO twix.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 00:58:51 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C376C1BBFA for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76131C1BE15 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040121200403.01c7a720@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:04:24 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.71 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rolling Stones Satisfaction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I send a lot of stuff and I only have those few stones stuff. At 11:07 PM 01/21/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Great Intro!! Great Stereo. I would love to have the entire >record. Can you post the entire cut? > >Thanks > >Michael > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From j_todd_jenkins@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 18:11:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: j_todd_jenkins@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10050 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 02:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 02:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.129.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 02:11:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20040122021113.61179.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.200.233.240] by web21201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:11:13 PST Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:11:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.129.59 From: Todd Jenkins Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RCA "DynaFlex" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111900024 X-Yahoo-Profile: j_todd_jenkins Oh BOY ...DYNAFLEX!!... I'll never forget playing a Harry Nilsson album track on AM1490 WRNB, New Bern, NC back in the early 80's. The album sounded fine, a little queue burned on some cuts, but otherwise OK. As I went to grab a 45 for the other turntable, I heard the strangest sounding skip coming from that DynaFlex LP, and then another skip, and then I heard the inner groove. "FFFTHICKUP.... ....FFFTHICKUP.... ........FFFTHICKUP...." and then silence. I quickly fired off a Legal ID and then a Belk Tyler department store spot. Turning behind me I discovered that the morning sun that came in through the station's showcase window had literally cooked the album. Yes the window was closed, and the studio was a comfortable 72 degrees. But the record had 'cupped' just like a piece of bologna on a frying pan. It warped all the way to the inner groove. The teakwood tone arm couldn't't even contact the vinyl. So I put warnings on the other DynaFlex stuff, Milsap, Elvis, and whatever other consumer RCA albums that we had. Luckily, the RCA promo stuff was nice and thick. Ah, memories... -Todd --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > and don't get me started with RCA "DynaFlex" .... > shudder..... > > I have an Elvis album from 1971 that is a thin > DynaFlex disc... you > can feel it wobble as you take it out of the jacket. > It's also > probably the newest _mono_ LP I have; it's even > proudly marked as > "RCA Camden Mono" on the front cover. I don't even > know if a stereo > version exists; I heard one track from the album > played on an FM > station once, and it was in mono too. > > It's actually not a bad-sounding record, although it > has virtually no > treble response above 12 kHz, and overall, its > fidelity is in the > same league as Elvis's late '50s mono recordings -- > not even close to > what other LPs from 1971 sound like. > > > From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Wed Jan 21 18:21:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64277 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 02:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 02:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 02:21:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 02:20:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:20:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1240 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.68.35.107 Subject: Re: Mighty Quinn? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, Mighty Quinn has never been in true stereo. I've heard a DES (Digitally Extracted Stereo) version. Doesn't cut it. Best regards, Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." > wrote: > > Anybody think it's a fake? Sounds like the mono version run > through > > a stereo reverb plug-in to me. > > The "stereo" version is indeed a sync-up, and not from a true stereo > source. Not the best of the sync-ups, either, but fun to have. > > One that I found labelled a sync-up sure doesn't sound like it at > all, and is very much worth getting: David Seville's "Witch Doctor" > (1958)- Really sounds like a typical stereo version of the day. > > There is another sync-up floating around- Kyu Sakamoto's "Sukiyaki", > which is decent. Yet another is Shocking Blue's "Venus" that is > decent, but you can tell it's a mix job, since the tonal quality > varies along the recording. > > There are some "interesting" sync-up mixes of "Louie, Louie", "Angel > Baby", "Little Bitty Pretty One", and my favorite obvious sync- > up, "Since I Don't Have You", all floating around here and there. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Wed Jan 21 18:24:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7589 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 02:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 02:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 02:24:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 02:24:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:24:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040121200403.01c7a720@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1103 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.68.35.107 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rolling Stones Satisfaction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow "Satisfaction" has been in stereo for years with introduction of the European "Hot Rocks Vol. 1" CD. I think the Japanese version had the stereo as well. ABKCO squashed those. Paul --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > I send a lot of stuff and I only have those few stones stuff. > At 11:07 PM 01/21/2004 +0000, you wrote: > >Great Intro!! Great Stereo. I would love to have the entire > >record. Can you post the entire cut? > > > >Thanks > > > >Michael > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > John > > > > Send me an email > > Aim: RainAngelsRule > > MSN: > > RainAngelsRule@h... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 18:33:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3596 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 02:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 02:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 02:33:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 02:33:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:33:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 837 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rolling Stones Satisfaction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" wrote: > "Satisfaction" has been in stereo for years with introduction of the > European "Hot Rocks Vol. 1" CD. I think the Japanese version had the > stereo as well. ABKCO squashed those. This, and the Herman's Hermits CD I have from that label, is why ABKCO earns such scorn- They REFUSED to release any stereo reissue CDs, and what they DID put out, was subpar. And just about ALL of the Stones' material, from at least "Time Is On My Side" onwards, is true stereo, but some of the stereo masters, safetys, or multitrack session tapes have been difficult to find. Like I said, I'm looking for the 5-minute version of "Pain It Black" in stereo- The single edit does exist in stereo, so why not this? All I have found is the mono version. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Wed Jan 21 18:36:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34976 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 02:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 02:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 02:36:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 02:36:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:36:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.68.35.107 Subject: {AMSF} Re: It Might As Well Rain Until September X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Its funny how memory works. I would swear that there is a longer version of Mason Williams' "Classical Gas". I thought I used to hear it on a south Georgia oldies station during the 70's. Despite looking for years to find that version (CD, LP, singles, promo singles) and even asking Mason Williams about its existence (he tells me it doesn't exist) I have never found the version. To make the mystery even better. I recall recording the second half of this, mysterious long verion onto a cheap cassette recorder. I have the tape, somewhere. I need to dig it out. I haven't heard the long version since. The radio station burned down in the late 70's. Is that a bit spooky or what? A stereo "It Might As Well...." would be an incredible find. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > Never in stereo. Probably never will be. > > > > Legend has it that the song was recorded as a demo. When the song was > > finally "disovered" the original tape had been lost or wiped. An > > acetate disk was used to create the original "tape master". > > > > And sounds like it, I might add. Even on the original 45. The record was a > demo for Bobby Vee, who turned the song down. The owner (Don Kirshner) > of the publishing company (Aldon Music) decided the demo was good > enough to be a hit itself, so he started a record company (originally > Companion, quickly changed to Dimension due to a trademark dispute) and > put it out himself. There would be no reason to record a demo in stereo, > especially onto an acetate. > > The thing is, once in the late 80s I was driving across NC one Sunday > morning when I tuned into a station that was carrying one of those nationally > syndicated oldies shows, don't remember which. The chowderheads had > failed to get both stereo channels into the board, so whenever they played a > "wide stereo" oldie, I got treated to a "Music Minus One" mix. Well, "It Might As > Well Rain Until September" came on, and by golly it was missing the lead > vocal and the strings. Definitely the original hit, but missing stuff. Sounded > nice and clean, too, with none of that flangy grunge or surface noise that > infests all the other copies I've ever heard. They didn't say anything about > playing a special version or anything, just went on with the show. I was forced > to conclude that they had a stereo version, and I was hearing only half of it. > > I've been looking for the fool thing ever since, and as you've probably > guessed, no luck--haven't heard it, and haven't seen it mentioned in print or > on the net. Don't ask me where they could've gotten it--I know it makes no > sense, given the song's well-documented history. Only thing I can figure is > that there are stereo copies of the "Dimension Dolls" LP floating around out > there. > > I have it on good, though second-hand authority that the "LocoMotion" LP > exists in true stereo, and it was mostly Aldon demos as well (including the hit > title track). "LocoMotion" and "Dimension Dolls" were the only two Dimension > LPs. From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Wed Jan 21 18:44:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70615 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 02:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 02:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 02:44:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 02:44:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:43:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040122021113.61179.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2296 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.68.35.107 Subject: {AMSF} Re: RCA "DynaFlex" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Funny how the promos have nice vinyl... If I recall, some promos were shipped in the late 70's, early 80's utilizing the nice Quiex II vinyl -- the commercial versions: sorry recycled vinyl. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Todd Jenkins wrote: > Oh BOY ...DYNAFLEX!!... > > I'll never forget playing a Harry Nilsson album track > on AM1490 WRNB, New Bern, NC back in the early 80's. > The album sounded fine, a little queue burned on some > cuts, but otherwise OK. > > As I went to grab a 45 for the other turntable, I > heard the strangest sounding skip coming from that > DynaFlex LP, and then another skip, and then I heard > the inner groove. > > "FFFTHICKUP.... > ....FFFTHICKUP.... > ........FFFTHICKUP...." > and then silence. > > I quickly fired off a Legal ID and then a Belk Tyler > department store spot. > > Turning behind me I discovered that the morning sun > that came in through the station's showcase window had > literally cooked the album. Yes the window was > closed, and the studio was a comfortable 72 degrees. > But the record had 'cupped' just like a piece of > bologna on a frying pan. It warped all the way to the > inner groove. The teakwood tone arm couldn't't even > contact the vinyl. > > So I put warnings on the other DynaFlex stuff, Milsap, > Elvis, and whatever other consumer RCA albums that we > had. Luckily, the RCA promo stuff was nice and thick. > > Ah, memories... > > -Todd > > > --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > and don't get me started with RCA "DynaFlex" .... > > shudder..... > > > > I have an Elvis album from 1971 that is a thin > > DynaFlex disc... you > > can feel it wobble as you take it out of the jacket. > > It's also > > probably the newest _mono_ LP I have; it's even > > proudly marked as > > "RCA Camden Mono" on the front cover. I don't even > > know if a stereo > > version exists; I heard one track from the album > > played on an FM > > station once, and it was in mono too. > > > > It's actually not a bad-sounding record, although it > > has virtually no > > treble response above 12 kHz, and overall, its > > fidelity is in the > > same league as Elvis's late '50s mono recordings -- > > not even close to > > what other LPs from 1971 sound like. > > > > > > From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Wed Jan 21 18:55:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7063 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 02:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 02:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 02:55:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 02:55:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:55:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1505 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.68.35.107 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rolling Stones Satisfaction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Oh well, maybe one day, the Stones will be done right. I hope I live long enough. A few of the European imports have some stereo Herman's Hermits tracks: "Must to Avoid", "Leaning on a Lampost", etc. I have a 2CD set from Germany called "Twice as Nice", if I recall, that has as much stereo Herman's Hermits hits as can be found (and there aren't many in stereo). Peter Noone needs to get control of his masters for the USA. Add the Animals to the ABKCO list. Had to pick up the UK EMI 2CD "The Complete Animals" to get decent sounding mono. Paul --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" > wrote: > > "Satisfaction" has been in stereo for years with introduction of the > > European "Hot Rocks Vol. 1" CD. I think the Japanese version had > the > > stereo as well. ABKCO squashed those. > > This, and the Herman's Hermits CD I have from that label, is why > ABKCO earns such scorn- They REFUSED to release any stereo reissue > CDs, and what they DID put out, was subpar. > > And just about ALL of the Stones' material, from at least "Time Is On > My Side" onwards, is true stereo, but some of the stereo masters, > safetys, or multitrack session tapes have been difficult to find. > > Like I said, I'm looking for the 5-minute version of "Pain It Black" > in stereo- The single edit does exist in stereo, so why not this? All > I have found is the mono version. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Wed Jan 21 19:04:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76599 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 03:04:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 03:04:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 03:04:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 03:04:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:04:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1738 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.68.35.107 Subject: Re: Observations on latest stereo oldies posts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, "I Wonder Why" was a fairly recent true stereo find. Almost as amazing: an early Dion & the Belmonts track from the Mohawk label "Tag Along" was found IN STEREO. This is a 1957 track, folks. Great song. Incredible sound. Get it here: http://www.ccmusic.com/item.cfm?itemid=CCM00712 Paul --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > By the way... these cuts were dumped to MP3 from an Audio Vault > system... not from the CD's. And they were probably EQ'd on the way > into the AV. So your ears weren't betraying you on the EQ issue. > They ARE stereo, but not necessarily EQ'ed the way you'd want them. > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." > > > wrote: > > > Well... "I Wonder Why" is from a recent boxed set called King of > the > > > New York Streets on Right Stuff records. And it IS a stereo > track. > > > If you've got the ability to pan far left and far right and > listen to > > > each channel separately, you'll hear how there's no way it's a > fake. > > > > > > > Right Stuff, eh? I've found them to be on the whole trustworthy, > and they are > > an EMI affiliate (IE they have access to the Laurie and UA master > tapes). I > > may have to eat crow on these two . . . I'll double check them when > I get home > > to the *real* system. They sound faked on my office system, but I > must admit, > > if it is fake, then it's the best fake I've ever heard. If my > right channel has > > picked up some sort of EQ flaw . . . . Yep, better recheck 'em at > home. > > > > I'm not backing down on "96 Tears," though. :-P From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 19:34:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33700 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 03:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 03:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 03:34:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 03:34:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:34:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 307 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.159.192.39 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rolling Stones Satisfaction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" wrote: > Oh well, maybe one day, the Stones will be done right. GET TO THE STORE, GUYS!! ABKCO just reissued their entire Stones catalog and it sounds MAGNIFICENT! Really! Look!! http://www.abkco.com/rollingstones/rollingstones.html From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 19:35:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42327 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 03:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 03:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 03:35:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 03:35:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:35:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1153 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.238 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rolling Stones Satisfaction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" wrote: > Oh well, maybe one day, the Stones will be done right. > > I hope I live long enough. I think Vivendi (current owners of the PoliGram catalog) now have the US rights to the Stones' early Polydor/Decca/London recordings. > A few of the European imports have some stereo Herman's Hermits > tracks: "Must to Avoid", "Leaning on a Lampost", etc. I have a 2CD > set from Germany called "Twice as Nice", if I recall, that has as much > stereo Herman's Hermits hits as can be found (and there aren't many in > stereo). My mom had the stereo issue of the MGM LP, "Herman's Hermits' Greatest Hits Vol. 2", and most, but not all, were stereo. Those that weren't, were fake stereo. > Peter Noone needs to get control of his masters for the USA. Her DOES sell Hermits CDs on his website, which I forget the URL, and from what I understand, he does own the masters to all the Hermits' material, now. > Add the Animals to the ABKCO list. Had to pick up the UK EMI 2CD "The > Complete Animals" to get decent sounding mono. Gee, I'm not really surprised. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Wed Jan 21 19:39:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87031 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 03:39:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 03:39:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 03:39:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 03:39:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:39:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 619 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.68.35.107 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rolling Stones Satisfaction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow You're kidding me, right? They went on a world-wide serach used whatever stereo mixes that could be located and better mono mixes and mastered them to SACD but, to me, this isn't "the real thing". Better can be done. Paul --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" > wrote: > > Oh well, maybe one day, the Stones will be done right. > > GET TO THE STORE, GUYS!! ABKCO just reissued their entire Stones > catalog and it sounds MAGNIFICENT! Really! Look!! > http://www.abkco.com/rollingstones/rollingstones.html From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jan 21 20:06:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43812 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 04:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 04:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 04:06:24 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:06:24 -0700 To: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:06:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Mighty Quinn? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems like I've heard a true stereo version of Mighty Quinn many times. I really think there is a stereo version out there. I'm kinda sitting the fence on this issue. I guess I'm not as much an audiophile. I tend to take Amy's position more.....like 96 Tears. I know it's not true stereo and it may be a fake but it's still some kind of stereo and I think it sounds neat :) Yet of course, I would still be out on a quest to find a REAL TRUE stereo version of it. I dunno. Michael n Wyo -----Original Message----- From: narkspud [mailto:narkspud@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 4:54 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Mighty Quinn? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > Anybody think it's a fake? Sounds like the mono version run through > a stereo reverb plug-in to me. I'm almost scared to comment after the "I Wonder Why" thing earlier, but it sounds to me like the original mono (perhaps in fake stereo) with newly recorded stereo instrumentation layered over the top of it. Same with "You Talk Too Much." (And I was so excited when I saw that one. Darn.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jan 21 20:57:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51910 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 04:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 04:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 04:57:14 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0M4tCIn008165 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:55:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <400F5827.2020508@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:57:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Harris AMS Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was correct his User name was atv69 and I again bid on the exciter... Neal mtgc09161948 wrote: >Go to EBay and search for this item: 3073198180 >It should show up. > >Michael Upton > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > >>Can't he have his ebay account pulled from actions like that? >> >>Did you check the completed items? >> >> >>On Wednesday, January 21, 2004, at 03:18 PM, Chris Cuff wrote: >> >> >> >>>If it was ATVM, I have had some serious problems with that >>> >>> >seller. A > > >>>shady >>>one, to say the least- and he has more than one negative >>> >>> >feedback... He > > >>>sells all kinds of electronic stuff/. If it "was" ATVM, be glad >>> >>> >you > > >>>didn't >>>win it. >>>Chris >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Neal Newman >>>To: >>>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 6:16 PM >>>Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS Exciter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>apparently he pulled the Item from Ebay.... >>>>I had a Bid on it and My account shows that I have No Bids >>>> >>>> >Pending. > > >>>>there was 4 days Left.. >>>> and 29 people Viewed the Item at the Time of my bid. >>>>I wonder If someone Emailed him to remove it and would pay him >>>> >>>> >what > > >>>he >>> >>> >>>>wanted for the unit. >>>> his account was I believe atv96 or somethnig like that >>>> >>>> >atv???? > > >>>>Neal >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>>. To visit your group on the web, go to: >>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ >>> >>>. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>>amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>> >>>. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >>> >>> >Service. > > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jan 21 21:02:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3424 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 05:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 05:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 05:02:51 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0M50oIn008210 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:00:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <400F5979.8@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:02:49 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Harris AMS Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 thanks Kenneth I sent you off an Email via Ebay.... I again placed a Bid. still have not met your reserve But I am the Current High Bidder.. I am just looking for a backup For the one I have.... I just brought home the old motorola C-quam Exciter that was on WHWH.. I am going to test it to see if it works. Its Been sitting on the shelf at the transmitter site for at least 2 years. I was going to put it on my backup transmitter, But If I can Get your Harris that would Be better... Neal-CE atv69nj wrote: >Mike - This is the same unit that was listed originally. Please don't >confuse the new listing. > >Neal - Sorry for the mixup on the bidding.. > >Regards, > >Kenneth > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 21:42:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31745 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 05:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 05:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 05:42:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 05:42:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:42:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 514 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.159.192.39 Subject: Re: Observations on latest stereo oldies posts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > I > may have to eat crow on these two Crow now being eaten. They are both genuine stereo, and from now on I'll shaddap about the quality of the files until I have a chance to listen to them on a decent system. Unless they just absolutely suck. (And I think I see some cuts from that WRETCHED Dick Bartley Girl Group CD a-sittin' in that folder. Talk about your basement hatchet jobs . . . oh, don't even get me started . . . .) From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Jan 21 21:50:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26961 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 05:50:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 05:50:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 05:50:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:50:00 -0800 Received: from 172.159.9.243 by bay7-dav48.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:49:59 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:46:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2004 05:50:00.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[92B34F00:01C3E0AB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.20 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.159.9.243] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Mighty Quinn? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Michael J. Richard wrote: > Seems like I've heard a true stereo version of Mighty Quinn many times. I really think there is a stereo version out there. Yes it is on TM Century's Gold Disc Disc# 423 Cut# 10...but I am on a wireless connection right now...far too slow to uplaod music. Kevin From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 22:05:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84620 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 06:05:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 06:05:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 06:05:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 06:05:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:05:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 467 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.159.192.39 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Mighty Quinn? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > I know > it's not true stereo and it may be a fake but it's still some kind of stereo > and I think it sounds neat :) To me it's exactly the same as colorizing movies. Exactly the same. Sure it degrades the picture quality and irrevocably alters all the cinematographer's hard work and looks totally unnatural and Sinatra has brown eyes instead of blue. But it looks neat. From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jan 21 22:07:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 537 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 06:07:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 06:07:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 06:07:17 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:07:17 -0700 To: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:07:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Mighty Quinn? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think ya got that backwards, Kevin. Don't you mean you're on a DIAL-UP connection? At least in my neck of the woods here, Wireless is T1 speeds. DIAL-UP is too slow :) I have DSL here at my shop and we have a dedicated T1 up at the station....sweet deal when the ISP will trade the $500 a month for advertising :D BTW, I'd LOVE to have that version when you're on a faster connection of some sort :) I'm sure it'll start more arguments but I'd love to have it anyways! Michael J -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter [mailto:possumhunter@netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:47 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Mighty Quinn? Michael J. Richard wrote: > Seems like I've heard a true stereo version of Mighty Quinn many times. I really think there is a stereo version out there. Yes it is on TM Century's Gold Disc Disc# 423 Cut# 10...but I am on a wireless connection right now...far too slow to uplaod music. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 22:13:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99447 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 06:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 06:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 06:13:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 06:13:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:13:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 714 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.159.192.39 Subject: Re: Mighty Quinn? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > One that I found labelled a sync-up sure doesn't sound like it at > all, and is very much worth getting: David Seville's "Witch Doctor" > (1958)- Really sounds like a typical stereo version of the day. That one is something! David Seville/Ross Bagdasarian tended to recycle his backing tracks for other projects, so our pal Markie might have been able to phase out the vocals from a later stereo production and sync up the EQ'd originals over top of it. But how did he put Dave and the Witch Doctor on opposite sides? And why is the overall sound quality so good? I'll have to give him snaps for this one--I'm baffled! From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Jan 21 22:19:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25853 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 06:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 06:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 06:19:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:19:42 -0800 Received: from 172.159.9.243 by bay7-dav48.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:19:42 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:16:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2004 06:19:42.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9035D90:01C3E0AF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.20 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.159.9.243] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Mighty Quinn? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Michael J. Richard wrote: > I think ya got that backwards, Kevin. Don't you mean you're on a DIAL-UP connection? At least in my neck of the woods here, Wireless is T1 speeds. DIAL-UP is too slow :) Nope...Wireless on a cell phone data connect. 14.4K connection....YUCK! > > BTW, I'd LOVE to have that version when you're on a faster connection of some sort :) When I get moved in my place in Tampa, I am going to see about a Cable modem. The file I have of it is in MPEG Layer2 imbedded in a .TMC file. The ONLY consumer media player I have found that will play it properly is Windows Media Player. It won't recognize it as a media file, but if you drag and drop it into the player, it will play it. Cart Machine will also play it. Kevin From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 22:20:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70207 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 06:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 06:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 06:20:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 06:20:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:20:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 390 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.159.192.39 Subject: Re: Mighty Quinn? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > But how > did he put Dave and the Witch Doctor on opposite sides? As Ford Prefect would say, I've sussed it! They both sing their choruses separately, so he could just pull them together from the solos! Clever lad, that Markie. (Wonder if he's any relation to that guy that did "Diary of an Unborn Child"?) From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jan 21 22:22:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86255 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 06:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 06:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 06:22:44 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:22:44 -0700 To: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:23:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Mighty Quinn? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh THAT kind of wireless! YUCK!!! I've never actually experienced internet over cell phone. But I've heard about how slow it is. Michael j -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter [mailto:possumhunter@netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:17 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Mighty Quinn? Michael J. Richard wrote: > I think ya got that backwards, Kevin. Don't you mean you're on a DIAL-UP connection? At least in my neck of the woods here, Wireless is T1 speeds. DIAL-UP is too slow :) Nope...Wireless on a cell phone data connect. 14.4K connection....YUCK! > > BTW, I'd LOVE to have that version when you're on a faster connection of some sort :) When I get moved in my place in Tampa, I am going to see about a Cable modem. The file I have of it is in MPEG Layer2 imbedded in a .TMC file. The ONLY consumer media player I have found that will play it properly is Windows Media Player. It won't recognize it as a media file, but if you drag and drop it into the player, it will play it. Cart Machine will also play it. Kevin Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jan 21 22:27:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42872 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 06:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 06:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 06:27:41 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:27:41 -0700 To: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:28:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: more uploads X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Here's 4 more DC5 that I have that are great stereo! Bits And Pieces Catch Us If You Can Glad All Over You Got What It Takes Uploaded to the "stereo versions" folder for you listening enjoyment. Alan O'Day - Undercover Angel ... the 4:10 Album Version. I searched forever to finally find this one a year or two ago. Has an extended ending :) uploaded to the "long versions" folder for your listening enjoyment. Careful...this one's a 256kbps file...so it's almost 8MB. Michael J From dav259@csiro.au Thu Jan 22 01:14:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84328 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 09:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 09:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 09:14:46 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0M9EYKY021816 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:14:45 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:14:34 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <20040118190442.64464.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Ricky Nelson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 I've stayed out of this entralling stereo oldies thread so far - cause in Oz some of us have work to do. :) But I will say this ... Somebody said "It might as well rain until September" was written for Bobby Vee but he refused it. As a matter of fact my budgie "Bobby Vee" won't chirp it either. But I do indeed have an LP titled "The night has a thousand eyes" where the great man (who was the cat's pajamas) sings "It might as well rain until September" - but unfortunately it's mono. That said Carole King's version is better. And going off more at a tangent ... Those who love show music should check out AccuBroadway at http://accuradio.com/. It's hi-hi stereo streaming of show music from the 50s to the current Broadway and West End productions and revivals. Highly reccomended! A bit like Sunday nights Magic 693's Showtime. Chris - you'd love it! And can anyone tell me if Ricky Nelson ever opened his eyes for more than 45 seconds? Hmmmmm??? Ian From dav259@csiro.au Thu Jan 22 01:30:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22584 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 09:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 09:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 09:30:41 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0M9UcKY022464 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:30:39 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:30:38 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Audiocubes Sony Walkmans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Every other week - in Oz we call this every second week - I have to throw together a list of miscellaneous raunchy jokes for assorted hangers on around the globe. In this weeks issue I've included the following advertisement of sorts. We've got to keep trying to convert the unconvinced! Apologies for the nature of the languange but that's the way it is. Matt1 - you've got one. Are they any good? The current review on audiocubes site says they're not as wideband as the SRF-42. And is the Japanese TV band of any use to us in Oz? Ian --o---o---o---0--- a d v e r t i s e m e n t ---o---o---o---o-- H A V E F U N ! G E T F I T ! L O S E W E I G H T ! ** TAKE THE DOG FOR A NIGHTLY WALK AND LISTEN TO HI-FI AM STEREO ** I'm about to place an order with Audiocubes in Japan for some AM stereo walkmans. The current list price is US$69 - A$88.89 (cheap at half the price!). These are the Sony SRF-AX51V TV/FM/AM Pocket Radio Check them out at: www.audiocubes.com/product_info.php?cPath=71_65&products_id=418&osCsid=0dfa75e6c 6105e3c4ed3316e50e20005 If anyone in Oz would like to be included in the order we could minimise shipping costs from our friends in Japan. Those interested let me know by next week. Others can buy direct from www.audiocubes.com . Currently 3AK, Sport 927 3UZ, and Magic 693 broadcast in hi-fi wideband stereo. 3AW actually broadcasts a stereo signal of a mono feed which is as useful as tits on a bull. And Easy Music 3MP has pulled the plug on AM stereo and I expect the receivers will be in shortly. Put more groovy sounds into your miserable lives by taking the dog for a nightly walk listening to your favourite stereo memories on 6 O'Clock Rock, Sixties at 7, and Your Hit Parade at 8:00 pm on Magic 693. t h r o w a w a y t h e v i a g r a ! Your lovelife WILL improve and you'll never listen to FM again! This message brought to you by Audio Cubes II - The High Fidelity Store -{ Audio Cubes II is a proud sponsor of Friday Humour }- --o---o---o---o---o---o---o---o---o---o---o---o---o---o---o---o-- From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 01:34:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21000 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 09:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 09:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 09:34:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20040122093439.52656.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.163] by web41203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:34:39 PST Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:34:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.36 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Like this one on ebay! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Like this one on ebay ID 3072255112 It says AMS on it but its only pertaining to the cassette srarc feature. Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 01:37:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18627 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 09:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 09:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 09:37:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20040122093720.90887.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.163] by web41209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:37:20 PST Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:37:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.42 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Audiocubes Sony Walkmans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus You should get the SRF A300 I'd love to hear a real AMS station on my radio I only heard night wave AMS with other garbage under it or the alfredo lite as a local one. Michael --- Ian Davidson wrote: > > > Matt1 - you've got one. Are they any good? The > current review on > audiocubes site says they're not as wideband as the > SRF-42. And is the > Japanese TV band of any use to us in Oz? > > Ian > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 01:39:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 743 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 09:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 09:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 09:39:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 09:39:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:39:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040122093439.52656.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 410 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.130 Subject: Re: Like this one on ebay! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Like this one on ebay ID 3072255112 > > It says AMS on it but its only pertaining to the > cassette srarc feature. That is why I never like to use the abbreviation "AMS" to mean AM Stereo.... it is too easily confused with the _real_ "AMS", which is the "Automatic Music Search" cassette player feature. As far as I know, there has _never_ been a radio upon which "AMS" was used to refer to AM Stereo. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 01:44:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12933 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 09:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 09:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 09:44:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 09:44:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:44:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 514 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.130 Subject: Mack The Knife X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I see somebody uploaded "Mack The Knife" in stereo... but they "fixed" the ending to make it sound more in-phase. Grrr! I _like_ the original ending which sounds almost out-of-phase. To me, that's the whole "payoff" of listening to the song... just to hear that distinctive ending. Anyway, I was just listening to an old tape of Orlando's 900 WHOO playing "Somewhere Under The Sea" in full AM Stereo -- another great Bobby Darin tune with semi-out-of-phase vocals, this time throughout the whole song. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 04:24:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19071 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 12:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 12:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 12:24:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 12:24:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:24:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 658 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.29 Subject: Re: Audiocubes Sony Walkmans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: =snip= > Matt1 - you've got one. Are they any good? The current review on > audiocubes site says they're not as wideband as the SRF-42. And is the > Japanese TV band of any use to us in Oz? I said thjis before: If you get a Japanese radio with BOTH FM and TV bands, the internationally-used FM broadcast band is covered between the upper 4 MHz of the Japanese FM band and the entire lower TV band, which goes up to 108. So, in short, yes, but it has to tune across both mentioned bands like a single band. The upper VHF TV band is usually a separate band. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Jan 22 05:06:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62709 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 13:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 13:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 13:06:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:06:12 -0800 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:06:12 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:06:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2004 13:06:12.0514 (UTC) FILETIME=[82A12820:01C3E0E8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.16 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CFS-230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Thanks Chris. Not a total loss here...it was only $10 at Goodwill. The unit is in good shape and it does have a line-in jack (or Walkman in as it says on the front) that I can use with another receiver. With its compact size, I can easily fit it in a suitcase. Paul Crane >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CFS-230 >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:42:49 -0500 > >The CFS-230 is most definitely NOT am stereo. The only vintage Sony boombox >marketed in the USA with am stereo is the CFS-6000. After this model, there >would be no more offered to the USA. The SRF-42 was the only model after >these that included ams for the USA. >Chris >----- Original Message ----- >From: Paul Crane > _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed ‘net deals — comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Jan 22 05:15:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88419 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 13:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 13:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.111) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 13:15:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:15:41 -0800 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:15:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:15:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2004 13:15:41.0322 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5AA5EA0:01C3E0E9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.111 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Michael - I checked one of the Radio Shack's here in Jackson, MI, and the manager (who actually knew what an AM loop was!!!) said there are none in the entire district. He had tried to locate some for others. Yet another loss for RS along with their AM stereo car stereo (under $100!) and home unit. Paul Crane >From: "Michael J. Richard" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:06:54 -0700 > >Ah, the loop :( >In December I searched many many stores in Utah. Surprisingly, every sales >droid knew exactly what I was talking about and nobody had one. They have >ability to search every store in the region to see which ones have >one......and no one did. I asked them "Even though it's a discontinued >item? They said "yeah...this system actually searches the store's >inventory >itself." Even had my wife search every store in the Houston metro when she >was down there for the holidays to try to find me one. Nobody had 'em. I >guess they're all gone :( :( >BTW....I almost had her take my Aiwa recording AM Stereo walkman with her, >but from what I have heard, there are very few if any at all AM Stereo >stations in Houston. Am I right? I thought I remembered JSG posting >something about that....and he's IN Houston. > >Michael n WYO > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Crane" >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:50 AM >Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? > > _________________________________________________________________ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 From oscar@globility.com Thu Jan 22 06:11:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99126 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 14:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 14:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 14:11:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 14:11:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:11:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1372 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.5 Subject: AM is certainly alive X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Some of you may have listened to the airchecks of WGN and WLS posted to the AMSF ftp site after Xmas. Most will agree, WGN's signal was as about as good as AM-stereo gets. As you also know, on December 29th, WGN flipped the switch on a new AM transmitter which, unfortunately for this group, was not in stereo. However, a friend of mine has since completed an aircheck of WGN and its xmtr and it just about blew me away. The first thought that entered my mind was, you guessed it, "Wouldn't it sound glorious in stereo!" I don't know how many AM's there are in N.America that can boast such a clean clear signal, mono or stereo as WGN. I understand KPRM 870 in Park Rapids MN would qualify as well. According to Ed Delahunt, the owner, who listened to his signal on the FTA100 on the weekend said, during quiet passages, there was no noise. While he had praise for the receiver, the FTA100 only provided the means to prove the quality derived from their efforts. To me, it is more an accolade for him and his crew and their attitude towards maintenance. It also recognizes the work being done by the number of CE's out there who care about quality, some of whom I'm pleased to say frequent this group. In any case, it sure re-makes the case for AM as a highly listenable medium when engineered properly. Keep up the good work guys, and gals. MS From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Jan 22 06:24:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63144 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 14:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 14:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 14:24:51 -0000 Received: from juan ([66.156.225.84]) by imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20040122142451.CHNB1917.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:24:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c3e0f3$806281c0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:24:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.65 From: "Juan / John Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rolling Stones Satisfaction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't trust Abkco, or Allen Klein, but I'll take your word for it. :-) Juan Fort Pierce, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: narkspud To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rolling Stones Satisfaction --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" wrote: > Oh well, maybe one day, the Stones will be done right. GET TO THE STORE, GUYS!! ABKCO just reissued their entire Stones catalog and it sounds MAGNIFICENT! Really! Look!! http://www.abkco.com/rollingstones/rollingstones.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jan 22 07:06:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14733 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 15:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 15:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 15:06:08 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:06:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c3e0f9$42c919e0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:06:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess they're all gone :( My only hope may be Ebay and I haven't seen one there either. Apparantly your guy there did what the guy in Utah did for me. Checked the whole district. The western district includes Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Nevada & Colorado I believe.......NONE! I know when my wife had the guy in Houston check, I'm sure he checked all of Texas just to see if there were any in the Houston area but I don't know if he checked the southern region. Probably would have come up with another big zilch :( Will have to keep an eye on Ebay or maybe try to find a Terk or something like that. As with everything else these days, it's all about the money. Bean counters. I guess the AM Loop antennas weren't selling well.....just like sales had declined on the TM152 and their am stereo car radio. Then again....maybe it wasn't by choice. Like with the SRF-42, Sony quit making them so they HAD to quit selling them. Blame that one on Sony's bean counters. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Crane To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 6:15 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? Michael - I checked one of the Radio Shack's here in Jackson, MI, and the manager (who actually knew what an AM loop was!!!) said there are none in the entire district. He had tried to locate some for others. Yet another loss for RS along with their AM stereo car stereo (under $100!) and home unit. Paul Crane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 07:25:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82409 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 15:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 15:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 15:25:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 15:25:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:25:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 721 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 65.65.209.240 Subject: am loops X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I've seen just ONE radio shack AM Loop antenna on eBay in the past two or three months. It was new in the box... but I can't remember what it sold for... probably 40 or 50 bucks. I've gotta say, though. I'm pretty happy with the telephone wire-around-the-radio trick (that's what I'm doing with my Marantz SR-940). Of course, I'm not DXing. But, at night, when KAAM (adult standards AM Stereo) is powered down to 1 kw, I'm getting a VERY clear signal. The day time 10 kw signal is easy. They played some Enya yesterday... and THAT was fun. I wish I'd had a cassette handy! Here's a treat... check out the design of THIS antique loop antenna: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2219207687 From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 07:30:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11143 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 15:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 15:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 15:30:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 15:30:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:30:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 405 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 65.65.209.240 Subject: WM-F16? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Does anyone have a WM-F16 cassette Walkman? I'm almost positive I had one when I was growing up (yes, I'm a young-in'). But it disappeared LONG ago. It looks like it was a bottom-of-the-line offering from Sony... not very solidly made. So I'm guessing a lot of people (not AM Stereo folks, of course) would never even bother putting it on eBay. If anyone has one, could you post a review of it? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 07:40:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78034 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 15:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 15:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 15:40:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 15:39:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:39:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 209 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Yet another loss for RS along with their AM stereo car stereo (under > $100!) and home unit. Actually, Radio Shack doesn't sell ANY car stereo equipment anymore... not even antennas, speakers, or wiring. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 08:06:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81433 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 16:06:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 16:06:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 16:06:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 16:04:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:04:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1830 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: The mess is yet to begin... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics News from www.radioworld.com..... NAB Radio Board Wants FCC to Permit AM Nighttime IBOC Operation The NAB Radio Board believes the FCC should authorize AM nighttime IBOC on an interim basis. In language approved at its semi-annual board meeting, members state: "The dramatically improved audio quality from IBOC service at night is well worth the predicted and limited reductions in analog coverage." The FCC should "take steps to address those problems," state board members, should any AMs experience reduction in nighttime analog coverage "beyond those predicted by the studies." Presumably the AM nighttime data Ibiquity recently completed and delivered to an NAB committee working on AM nighttime IBOC issues. NAB Radio Board Supports Leaving Codec Out of IBOC Standard The standards-setting body, The National Radio Systems Committee, and Ibiquity Digital have been going back and forth over how much information Ibiquity needs to divulge so the NRSC can set its IBOC, or HD Radio, standard. Ibiquity has said that its new HDC codec is proprietary and unique. NAB SVP Science and Technology Lynn Claudy told the board Ibiquity is unable to disclose the technical details of the codec, in turn, delaying the standards-setting process. The board decided to recommend that the NRSC should pursue "modulation and transmission" standards for AM and FM HD Radio, standards that include provisions for advanced data applications. All of these are elements Ibiquity can disclose, the technology developer told Radio World. The codec would be left out of the standard, so "audio compression methods thus would be subject to selection by market forces," according to board minutes released by NAB. Ibiquity says the HDC codec would still be included in the technology it licenses to broadcasters. From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jan 22 08:15:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30967 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 16:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 16:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 16:15:51 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:15:50 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c3e103$00ec1810$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:15:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The mess is yet to begin... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED AUDIO QUALITY???!!!??!?!?!??? how the heck can you tell? It's all talk! Who cares if you can hear the speaker's "s"es a little bit clearer?? Aw man, this is getting so out of hand. I AM a broadcaster and would expect the NAB to care about quality the AM band. It's obvious they don't!!!! Okay, so let's convince a station to migrate music back to AM because a certain station went IBOC and the music sounds wonderful. Okay fine......then the station will have the audacity to bitch about it when their ratings don't improve. Why? Because hardly anybody can afford the IBOC receivers so that leaves the other 17 million people who CAN'T afford IBOC faced with trying to listen on their crappy analog AM radio which now actually sounds WORSE because this station is now limiting their bandwidth to 5khz. These goons are all acting like EVERYONE has an IBOC-capable receiver and are all beating down the NAB and FCC's door saying "PLEASE!!! We WANT you to let stations go IBOC!! PLEASE!!!!!" ...rubble rubble rubble...... Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:04 AM Subject: {AMSF} The mess is yet to begin... News from www.radioworld.com..... NAB Radio Board Wants FCC to Permit AM Nighttime IBOC Operation The NAB Radio Board believes the FCC should authorize AM nighttime IBOC on an interim basis. In language approved at its semi-annual board meeting, members state: "The dramatically improved audio quality from IBOC service at night is well worth the predicted and limited reductions in analog coverage." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Jan 22 08:44:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32342 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 16:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 16:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 16:44:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:44:26 -0800 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:44:26 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:44:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2004 16:44:26.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF6BBCD0:01C3E106] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.78 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I ran into that also when I was in the store. I'm rigging up a car stereo in the house and needed the 12 volt power supply and antenna. RS had the power supply -- 3 different models (total 4 on the shelf), but the antenna I ended up getting at Auto Zone. Paul Crane >From: "Kevin T." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:39:38 -0000 > > > Yet another loss for RS along with their AM stereo car stereo (under > > $100!) and home unit. > >Actually, Radio Shack doesn't sell ANY car stereo equipment anymore... >not even antennas, speakers, or wiring. > > _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 11:13:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71000 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 19:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 19:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 19:13:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20040122191320.60549.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.163] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:13:20 PST Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:13:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.48 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} WM-F16? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Theres been a couple on Australian ebay(one in good order and one the cassette wasnt working) in the last few months but I didnt get one however. Michael --- "Douglas B." wrote: > Does anyone have a WM-F16 cassette Walkman? > > I'm almost positive I had one when I was growing up > (yes, I'm a young-in'). But it > disappeared LONG ago. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 11:47:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70656 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 19:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 19:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 19:47:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 19:46:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:46:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 374 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Dallas AM Stereo Uploads... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Okay... I just uploaded a folder with four air checks from KAAM-AM Dallas, TX. The ftp site denied me access to the air checks folder, so I just put this in the uploads folder. These air checks were recorded from a Marantz SR-940 to a Chrome Cassette... and then dumped to MP3 at 160/44. No EQ has been applied. Watch out for the commercial! It'll make ya hungry... From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Jan 22 16:10:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7637 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 00:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 00:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 00:10:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 00:10:32 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77562 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 23:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 23:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 23:16:41 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.12f.39f09e77 (17228) for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:16:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12f.39f09e77.2d41b3d5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:16:37 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.162 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC mentioned on Clear Channel station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 23 Jan 2004 00:10:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 Kiss 106.1...was this in the Evansville area, by any chance? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 16:46:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45981 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 00:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 00:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 00:46:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 00:46:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:46:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 406 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.29 Subject: Re: Dallas AM Stereo Uploads... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > Okay... I just uploaded a folder with four air checks from KAAM-AM > Dallas, TX. Ooo, more AM stereo- I love AM stereo! :) > The ftp site denied me access to the air checks folder, so I just put > this in the uploads folder. Just as it's supposed to work- That's why we have an "uploads" directory. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 18:08:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54724 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 02:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 02:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 02:08:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20040123020808.5229.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.94] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:08:08 PST Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:08:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RS Loop X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Paul Crane wrote: > Michael - > > I checked one of the Radio Shack's here in Jackson, > MI, and the manager (who > actually knew what an AM loop was!!!) said there are > none in the entire > district. He had tried to locate some for others. > > Yet another loss for RS along with their AM stereo > car stereo (under $100!) > and home unit. > > Paul Crane I think folks who knew what they are / were scoured and bought them up. I have 2 now ( had 3 gave one to a friend) and the Terk loop. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 18:51:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29196 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 02:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 02:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 02:51:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 02:51:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:51:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 659 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 65.68.206.196 Subject: Re: Dallas AM Stereo Uploads... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee By the way... for those of you who listen to the KAAM-Dallas uploads, I'm curious about something. Whether I'm listening on the home receiver or in my car, there are always sporadic cracklings within KAAM's signal. You'll hear them on these mp3's. They're not like the sort of thing you hear during a thunderstorm, but more ingrained in the signal. They definitely lower the fidelity of the station's sound. I'm interested in some opinions here: Are these most likely caused by the station's processing? or by a signal or tower deficiency. I'm well within KAAM's coverage area, and these air checks were taken during the day when KAAM is 10 kw. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 19:50:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65452 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 03:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 03:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 03:50:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 03:50:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 03:50:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040123020808.5229.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 327 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.9 Subject: Re: RS Loop X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think folks who knew what they are / were scoured > and bought them up. I have 2 now ( had 3 gave one to a > friend) and the Terk loop. Blame it on all the DXers that IBOC proponents think don't exist... after all, the only listeners that really matter are those within a station's primary local coverage area, right? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 20:15:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84995 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 04:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 04:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 04:15:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 04:15:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:15:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.9 Subject: OT: 4 Seasons X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Going through my collection of Frankie Valli & The 4 Seasons music, the only well-known hit song of theirs that I have been unable to find in stereo is "Ronnie". I have two LPs and one cassette with this song, and they are all either mono or fake-stereo. Does a true stereo version even exist? The best 4 Seasons compilation is the "Edizione D'Oro" double-LP set, released by Philips in 1969. Of the 29 songs on it, the only one not in true stereo is "Ronnie". However, it has the stereo single-edits of "Dawn (Go Away)" and "Let's Hang On", which lack the extra intros that the full-length mono versions have (although, creative editing has created unofficial "full-length stereo" versions of these two songs). But this LP set does have full-stereo versions of "Rag Doll", "Girl Come Running", and "Ain't That a Shame", which are quite rare to find, even on CD. "Edizione D'Oro" is Philips PHS 2-6501... but if you obtain a copy, make sure it includes the 1969 "Full Color 4 Seasons Astrological Wall Calender", as mentioned on the back cover. I got mine at a library used book sale, and it did include the wall calender, even though they ripped the gatefold cover in half and sold the two LPs separately for 50 cents each! That's probably the best $1.00 I've ever spent on a double-album. And it makes great AM Stereo demo material, of course, all the way from "Sherry" (1962) to "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow" (1968). From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Thu Jan 22 21:30:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78702 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 05:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 05:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 05:30:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 05:29:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 05:29:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2408 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.68.35.107 Subject: Re: OT: 4 Seasons X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow "Ronnie" has not been in stereo. The Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons session masters are believed to have been discarded. The group mostly used Stea-Phillips studios as well as Atlantic studios during their big hit-making years. Searches at Polygram (Philips) have come up empty. If by some, unfortunate chance the masters were stored with Atlantic, then they most certainly burned up in the infamous Atlantic vault fire. In any event, the missing masters is a real, dirty, rotten, shame. Ace Records in the UK did a nice job with "Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons" about 10 years ago reissuing the albums (all out of print). Rhino has done a fair job. I wish they would just reissue the original albums rather than putting out endless "compilations" I always liked the little instrumental openings for those songs. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Going through my collection of Frankie Valli & The 4 Seasons music, > the only well-known hit song of theirs that I have been unable to > find in stereo is "Ronnie". I have two LPs and one cassette with > this song, and they are all either mono or fake-stereo. Does a true > stereo version even exist? > > The best 4 Seasons compilation is the "Edizione D'Oro" double-LP set, > released by Philips in 1969. Of the 29 songs on it, the only one not > in true stereo is "Ronnie". However, it has the stereo single-edits > of "Dawn (Go Away)" and "Let's Hang On", which lack the extra intros > that the full-length mono versions have (although, creative editing > has created unofficial "full-length stereo" versions of these two > songs). But this LP set does have full-stereo versions of "Rag Doll", > "Girl Come Running", and "Ain't That a Shame", which are quite rare > to find, even on CD. > > "Edizione D'Oro" is Philips PHS 2-6501... but if you obtain a copy, > make sure it includes the 1969 "Full Color 4 Seasons Astrological > Wall Calender", as mentioned on the back cover. I got mine at a > library used book sale, and it did include the wall calender, even > though they ripped the gatefold cover in half and sold the two LPs > separately for 50 cents each! That's probably the best $1.00 I've > ever spent on a double-album. And it makes great AM Stereo demo > material, of course, all the way from "Sherry" (1962) to "Will You > Still Love Me Tomorrow" (1968). From rkhester@up-link.net Thu Jan 22 21:43:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75519 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 05:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 05:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 05:43:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 05:43:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 05:43:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040123020808.5229.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 682 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 67.64.11.116 Subject: Re: RS Loop X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 Our RS here needs to change their name to computer shack or TV shack. Unless your looking for a dish system or a home surround sound or a computer, you can forget it! Richard w5rhs --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Paul Crane wrote: > > Michael - > > > > I checked one of the Radio Shack's here in Jackson, > > MI, and the manager (who > > actually knew what an AM loop was!!!) said there are > > none in the entire > > district. He had tried to locate some for others. > > > > Yet another loss for RS along with their AM stereo > > car stereo (under $100!) > > and home unit. > > > > Paul Crane From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 21:48:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16296 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 05:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 05:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 05:48:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 05:48:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 05:48:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2316 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Anyone live near an AM Stereo Radio Disney? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I've been trying for quite a while to get a good aircheck of an AM Stereo Radio Disney's Top 30 Countdown (unscoped), but I can't get no satisfaction, either with the signal quality (I'm approx. 120 miles away from the station (KDIS 1110), with a 2nd-adjacent channel (KSDO 1130) just a few miles away that gives me major problems), or my portable mp3 recorder (at only 256MB of memory (128 usable thanks to memory errors) I can't get a full length 224kbps (or 256 or 320kbps) recording. I was wondering if anyone could get a good aircheck of Radio Disney's Top 30 countdown? It airs from 5pm to 8pm Pacific time (also in the AM, but KDIS runs a 1 hour public affairs program from 5am to 6am). My SRF-42 gets pretty good audio bandwidth, but if someone within a few miles of KDIS's (or another AM Stereo Disney) transmitter (or wherever the signal would be > 50mV/m) could get a good 44KHz 320kbps (or 256kbps if necessary) stereo mp3 aircheck of Radio Disney's Top 30 countdown on Sundays (and upload it (full-length, unscoped, including commercials - I can edit out what I don't want later when I download it) to the uploads folder at ftp.amstereoradio.com that would be appreciated. I am unable to get a good signal where I am, due to adjacent channel interference (local station 20KHz away) and a weak signal on KDIS, and too much computer noise. I may also want other airchecks from Radio Disney sometimes, for example Friday night's Frequency Jam (airs 5pm to 6pm Pacific). Or, should I start begging some stations that put a good signal where I live to change their format to Radio Disney? some stations that put an acceptable signal where I am would be (regardless of whether or not they're AM stereo, although I will list current/past where possible), and current format: 600 KOGO - News/Talk (Dr. Laura, Rush, etc) (used to be AMS when it was a music station several years ago) 690 XETRA - Sports (was AMS a long time ago but I think it was Kahn not C-Quam) 760 KFMB - Talk (Sean Hannity, O'Reily, etc) (used to be AMS) 910 KECR - Family Radio 1130 KSDO - Radio Nueva Vida (currently overmodulating so I can't tell whether or not it's AM Stereo, but I hear it used to be) 1170 KCBQ - Talk (Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, etc) (formerly AM Stereo) 1470 XERCN - Spanish (don't know of any stereo here) From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Jan 22 22:32:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53474 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 06:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 06:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 06:32:47 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040123063241.OICG3905.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:32:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:32:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c3e0f9$42c919e0$5401010a@AM> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.241 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They were put on clearance a LONG time ago. I think before Summer. Most=20 stores at that time had only display models. On Thursday, January 22, 2004, at 07:06 AM, Michael J. Richard wrote: > I guess they're all gone :(=A0=A0 My only hope may be Ebay and I haven't= =20 > seen one there either. Apparantly your guy there did what the guy in=20 > Utah did for me.=A0 Checked the whole district.=A0 The western district=20 > includes Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Nevada & Colorado I > believe.......NONE!= =A0 > I know when my wife had the guy in Houston check, I'm sure he checked=20 > all of Texas just to see if there were any in the Houston area but I=20 > don't know if he checked the southern region.=A0 Probably would have=20 > come up with another big zilch :( > > Will have to keep an eye on Ebay or maybe try to find a Terk or=20 > something like that. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 22:44:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62544 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 06:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 06:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 06:44:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 06:44:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:44:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1460 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.9 Subject: Re: OT: 4 Seasons X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Ace Records in the UK did a nice job with "Frankie Valli and the > Four Seasons" about 10 years ago reissuing the albums (all out of > print). > Rhino has done a fair job. I wish they would just reissue the > original albums rather than putting out endless "compilations" Ace takes two original albums, plus a few bonus tracks, and puts them together on one CD. As of 1996, Ace had eight 4 Seasons CDs in print, containing a total of sixteen original albums (including two Frankie Valli solo albums) plus bonus tracks from the less-popular singles. Most of the Ace tracks sound great and are in stereo where available, but a few on each CD obviously did not come from an original master tape, and some even have obvious surface noise, indicating that they were sourced from "de-clicked" vinyl. Also, the Ace CD only has "Ain't That a Shame" in mono, even though a good stereo version is definitely available. (However, Ace's discography hints that the stereo version of that song is an "alternate mix", first released by Philips on LP in 1968.) BTW, I have somewhat of a personal connection in that one of my father's old friends, Anthony Cifelli, co-wrote the 4 Seasons hit "Tell It To The Rain". He also wrote "Patty Ann", a song done by a group called The Holidays. I have the original mono 45 RPM single of it, but due to its obscurity, I doubt a stereo version of the song could be found today, even if one originally did exist. From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Fri Jan 23 01:26:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11305 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 09:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 09:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.118) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 09:26:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:26:05 -0800 Received: from 68.76.48.76 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:26:05 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:26:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2004 09:26:05.0666 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED25D420:01C3E192] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.118 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.76.48.76] Subject: RE: {AMSF} RS Loop X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I found a few sources: www.ccrane.com www.aesham.com www.universal-radio.com Paul Crane >From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} RS Loop >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:08:08 -0800 (PST) > > >--- Paul Crane wrote: > > Michael - > > > > I checked one of the Radio Shack's here in Jackson, > > MI, and the manager (who > > actually knew what an AM loop was!!!) said there are > > none in the entire > > district. He had tried to locate some for others. > > > > Yet another loss for RS along with their AM stereo > > car stereo (under $100!) > > and home unit. > > > > Paul Crane > > > > >I think folks who knew what they are / were scoured >and bought them up. I have 2 now ( had 3 gave one to a >friend) and the Terk loop. > > >Powell > >===== >powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Fri Jan 23 01:36:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39510 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 09:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 09:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.152) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 09:36:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:36:24 -0800 Received: from 68.76.49.13 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:36:24 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:36:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2004 09:36:24.0639 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E159CF0:01C3E194] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.152 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.76.49.13] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Anyone live near an AM Stereo Radio Disney? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane If someone lives near the Grand Rapids, MI, area WDSS 1680 is Radio Disney in AM stereo. I live/work too far away to receive the station. The only Radio Disney station I can get is WFDF 910 (Flint, MI) but they are mono and I don't get good reception as I'm somewhat in their null (protecting WGTO Cassopolis). WFDF is in the process of upping power, moving xmit location, shutting down WFRO (I think this already happened), and etc. to gain better coverage of Detroit. Paul Crane >From: "pianoplayer88key" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Anyone live near an AM Stereo Radio Disney? >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 05:48:27 -0000 > >I've been trying for quite a while to get a good aircheck of an AM >Stereo Radio Disney's Top 30 Countdown (unscoped), but I can't get no >satisfaction, either with the signal quality (I'm approx. 120 miles >away from the station (KDIS 1110), with a 2nd-adjacent channel (KSDO >1130) just a few miles away that gives me major problems), or my >portable mp3 recorder (at only 256MB of memory (128 usable thanks to >memory errors) I can't get a full length 224kbps (or 256 or 320kbps) >recording. > >I was wondering if anyone could get a good aircheck of Radio Disney's >Top 30 countdown? It airs from 5pm to 8pm Pacific time (also in the >AM, but KDIS runs a 1 hour public affairs program from 5am to 6am). >My SRF-42 gets pretty good audio bandwidth, but if someone within a >few miles of KDIS's (or another AM Stereo Disney) transmitter (or >wherever the signal would be > 50mV/m) could get a good 44KHz 320kbps >(or 256kbps if necessary) stereo mp3 aircheck of Radio Disney's Top 30 >countdown on Sundays (and upload it (full-length, unscoped, including >commercials - I can edit out what I don't want later when I download >it) to the uploads folder at ftp.amstereoradio.com that would be >appreciated. I am unable to get a good signal where I am, due to >adjacent channel interference (local station 20KHz away) and a weak >signal on KDIS, and too much computer noise. >I may also want other airchecks from Radio Disney sometimes, for >example Friday night's Frequency Jam (airs 5pm to 6pm Pacific). > >Or, should I start begging some stations that put a good signal where >I live to change their format to Radio Disney? >some stations that put an acceptable signal where I am would be >(regardless of whether or not they're AM stereo, although I will list >current/past where possible), and current format: >600 KOGO - News/Talk (Dr. Laura, Rush, etc) (used to be AMS when it >was a music station several years ago) >690 XETRA - Sports (was AMS a long time ago but I think it was Kahn >not C-Quam) >760 KFMB - Talk (Sean Hannity, O'Reily, etc) (used to be AMS) >910 KECR - Family Radio >1130 KSDO - Radio Nueva Vida (currently overmodulating so I can't tell >whether or not it's AM Stereo, but I hear it used to be) >1170 KCBQ - Talk (Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, etc) (formerly AM Stereo) >1470 XERCN - Spanish (don't know of any stereo here) > > _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 05:46:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99301 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 13:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 13:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 13:46:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20040123134611.3477.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 05:46:11 PST Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 05:46:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.70 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo AT NIGHT = CQUAM ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I believe that we should comment on the FCC website that any station wishing IBOC during the day should be allowed to broadcast only in CQUAM AM Stereo at night, and not to allow IBOC buzzsaws at night. Here's the warning shot as reported by Radio World: "NAB Radio Board Wants FCC to Permit AM Nighttime IBOC Operation The NAB Radio Board believes the FCC should authorize AM nighttime IBOC on an interim basis. In language approved at its semi-annual board meeting, members state: "The dramatically improved audio quality from IBOC service at night is well worth the predicted and limited reductions in analog coverage." The FCC should "take steps to address those problems," state board members, should any AMs experience reduction in nighttime analog coverage "beyond those predicted by the studies." Presumably this refers to the AM nighttime data Ibiquity recently completed and delivered to an NAB committee working on AM nighttime IBOC issues." Speak now, or forever hold your peace.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dougharding@mindspring.com Fri Jan 23 06:06:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5168 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 14:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 14:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 14:06:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 14:05:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:05:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 122 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Terk AM 1000 AM Loop still available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding The Terk AM1000 loop is still available from J & R electronics. It is in stock at $39.95. The web site is www.jandr.com. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 06:21:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50860 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 14:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 14:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 14:21:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 14:20:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:20:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.140.61.125 Subject: terk vs. rs loop X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Does anyone have both? How does the terk mentioned above compare to the rs loop? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 06:32:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37398 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 14:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 14:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 14:32:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20040123143227.14585.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:32:27 PST Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:32:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.70 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo for WFDF in the future? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Paul Crane wrote: "WFDF is in the process of upping power, moving xmit location, shutting down WFRO (I think this already happened), and etc. to gain better coverage of Detroit." WFRO AM900is still (barely) on the air in Fremont, Ohio. They were a locally owned "warts and all" true local station complete with funeral notices, hospital admissions and crime reports on the air. ABC bought them for the express purpose of putting them out of business for adjacent 910. The only, only, only thing good that could come out of this is if they add AM STEREO to WFDF 910 when they move the station and up the power to 50KW. However, at night, they still have to revert to 1KW from Flint, so there will be no coverage at all in Northern Ohio. Maybe we should start bugging them now about adding stereo? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 07:57:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73800 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 15:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 15:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 15:57:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 15:56:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:56:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3635 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Anyone live near an AM Stereo Radio Disney? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I can get 1580 KMIK from AZ at night quite strong, but it's mono, and I get co-channel interference from KBLA in Santa Monica, which is about 2.5x closer, and also runs 50kW. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" wrote: > If someone lives near the Grand Rapids, MI, area WDSS 1680 is Radio Disney > in AM stereo. I live/work too far away to receive the station. The only > Radio Disney station I can get is WFDF 910 (Flint, MI) but they are mono and > I don't get good reception as I'm somewhat in their null (protecting WGTO > Cassopolis). WFDF is in the process of upping power, moving xmit location, > shutting down WFRO (I think this already happened), and etc. to gain better > coverage of Detroit. > > Paul Crane > > > >From: "pianoplayer88key" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: {AMSF} Anyone live near an AM Stereo Radio Disney? > >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 05:48:27 -0000 > > > >I've been trying for quite a while to get a good aircheck of an AM > >Stereo Radio Disney's Top 30 Countdown (unscoped), but I can't get no > >satisfaction, either with the signal quality (I'm approx. 120 miles > >away from the station (KDIS 1110), with a 2nd-adjacent channel (KSDO > >1130) just a few miles away that gives me major problems), or my > >portable mp3 recorder (at only 256MB of memory (128 usable thanks to > >memory errors) I can't get a full length 224kbps (or 256 or 320kbps) > >recording. > > > >I was wondering if anyone could get a good aircheck of Radio Disney's > >Top 30 countdown? It airs from 5pm to 8pm Pacific time (also in the > >AM, but KDIS runs a 1 hour public affairs program from 5am to 6am). > >My SRF-42 gets pretty good audio bandwidth, but if someone within a > >few miles of KDIS's (or another AM Stereo Disney) transmitter (or > >wherever the signal would be > 50mV/m) could get a good 44KHz 320kbps > >(or 256kbps if necessary) stereo mp3 aircheck of Radio Disney's Top 30 > >countdown on Sundays (and upload it (full-length, unscoped, including > >commercials - I can edit out what I don't want later when I download > >it) to the uploads folder at ftp.amstereoradio.com that would be > >appreciated. I am unable to get a good signal where I am, due to > >adjacent channel interference (local station 20KHz away) and a weak > >signal on KDIS, and too much computer noise. > >I may also want other airchecks from Radio Disney sometimes, for > >example Friday night's Frequency Jam (airs 5pm to 6pm Pacific). > > > >Or, should I start begging some stations that put a good signal where > >I live to change their format to Radio Disney? > >some stations that put an acceptable signal where I am would be > >(regardless of whether or not they're AM stereo, although I will list > >current/past where possible), and current format: > >600 KOGO - News/Talk (Dr. Laura, Rush, etc) (used to be AMS when it > >was a music station several years ago) > >690 XETRA - Sports (was AMS a long time ago but I think it was Kahn > >not C-Quam) > >760 KFMB - Talk (Sean Hannity, O'Reily, etc) (used to be AMS) > >910 KECR - Family Radio > >1130 KSDO - Radio Nueva Vida (currently overmodulating so I can't tell > >whether or not it's AM Stereo, but I hear it used to be) > >1170 KCBQ - Talk (Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, etc) (formerly AM Stereo) > >1470 XERCN - Spanish (don't know of any stereo here) > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! > http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jan 23 08:08:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40421 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 16:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 16:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 16:08:52 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:08:40 -0700 Message-ID: <004501c3e1cb$2afc14c0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:08:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Anyone live near an AM Stereo Radio Disney? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pianoplayer.... I could get ya a clean aircheck anytime ya want but it wouldn't be in stereo. I'm in Salt Lake City once a week. But unfortunately KWDZ 910 is NOT AM Stereo. KALL 910 was AM Stereo back in the day and very proud of it. But for some reason when ClearChannel sold it to ABC last year and Radio Disney moved there they did not turn the stereo back on :( So it's glorious craptacular mono. I've got 2 or 3 unscoped 90-minute airchecks of Radio Disney that I made when I was in Denver over the last few years. KDDZ 1690 is indeed full stereo there. Not specifically the top 30 countdown but Radio Disney in pretty clean stereo nonetheless :) I made them with my Aiwa recording walkman so the bandwidth isn't great. I know on one of the other lists I'm on, there's a guy that lives in Denver but I don't believe he has an AM Stereo capable radio. He's more of a DX-er. Douglas B. lives in Dallas and KMKI 620 is the Radio Disney affiliate over there. And they ARE stereo. He may be a good candidate, but if I remember right, he said he lives on the east side of the city and I don't know how well he can pick it up. I'm sure he's watching his email and maybe he'll chime in on this one. Wish I could help out. I'd love it if KWDZ in Salt Lake was stereo but unfortunately they're not. Michael n WYO > > > >I was wondering if anyone could get a good aircheck of Radio Disney's > >Top 30 countdown? It airs from 5pm to 8pm Pacific time (also in the > >AM, but KDIS runs a 1 hour public affairs program from 5am to 6am). > >My SRF-42 gets pretty good audio bandwidth, but if someone within a > >few miles of KDIS's (or another AM Stereo Disney) transmitter (or > >wherever the signal would be > 50mV/m) could get a good 44KHz 320kbps > >(or 256kbps if necessary) stereo mp3 aircheck of Radio Disney's Top 30 > >countdown on Sundays (and upload it (full-length, unscoped, including > >commercials - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 08:18:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34075 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 16:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 16:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 16:18:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 16:17:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:17:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 920 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: any good AM Stereo classical music airchecks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I'm posting a message on a piano related message board, and I'd like to know if there's any good AM Stereo aircheck of classical music so I could link it on that board - I'm making a mention of AM Stereo in my preferences for a HDD-based mp3 player/recorder (someone posted asking for recommendations to record their piano playing and I gave my opinion on a unit I have, and someone else was mentioning HD mp3 player/recorder and gave a few criteria for what he would want on a recorder, including 20GB HD or better, and FM radio) and I think it would be nice to have a link to some good piano music in C-Quam AM Stereo to post on that board. I have a local AM classical station on 1450 about 35 miles north of me, but I think it's mono, and the daytime signal is weak (and you can probably guess based on my observation about the daytime signal, the frequency, and the distance, what the nighttime signal is like ;)). From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 08:35:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7704 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 16:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 16:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 16:35:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20040123163524.51556.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.121] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:35:24 PST Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:35:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} terk vs. rs loop X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Douglas B." wrote: > Does anyone have both? > > How does the terk mentioned above compare to the rs > loop? Yes. About equal. As a side note, I was with a friend of mine and he was doing some AM work at WLMA. The tower is not THAT close to the TX so the scope and probe would not get enough RF. Just connected it to the scope, tune it to 1350 and VOILA...instant correct pattern on the scope! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From stodd@vippn.com Fri Jan 23 09:12:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78863 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 17:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 17:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 17:12:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 17:12:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:12:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <112.2d91fec5.2d38687c@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 629 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: Why is AM STEREO being turned off? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > Besides just about any exciter will work with just about any transmitter.Two > basic key points to look at when trying to determine if an exciter will work > with a particular transmitter...1.the frequency that the exciter produces [does > the transmitter require an input frequency of 2x,4x or 6x the operating > frequency I'm not sure about all transmitters, but in my Gates 5 transmitters the stereo would be injected downline of the divider, and the input jack would be selected over the divider chain by a jumper on the oscillator board. Scott Todd From stodd@vippn.com Fri Jan 23 09:21:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88335 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 17:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 17:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 17:21:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 17:21:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:21:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 500 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: Nissan AM Stereo radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > And with > this model, the only catch is that the speaker amplifier is not > built-in -- you only get line-level outputs, so you will need an > external amplifier. However, this is the first car radio I've seen > with a built-in _cooling fan_! I've got a Panasonic-made radio in my Pathfinder with EB and cooling fan. The front speakers are powered by an internal amp; the rear speakers by the external amp. ST From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 09:36:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60286 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 17:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 17:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 17:36:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 17:33:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:33:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 278 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Nissan AM Stereo radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I've got a Panasonic-made radio in my Pathfinder with EB and cooling > fan. The front speakers are powered by an internal amp; the rear > speakers by the external amp. Hmm, I'll have to double-check mine, because I think I was using the rear speaker outputs for testing. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 10:31:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59753 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 18:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 18:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 18:31:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 18:30:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:30:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: AM Stereo t-shirt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From 920 KYST.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2884570338 From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 11:46:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79615 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 19:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 19:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 19:46:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20040123194641.85181.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.163] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:46:41 PST Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:46:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.48 From: Michael and Ross Subject: OT Bad AM sound X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus We have a terrible sounding AM station on 936 now(The chinese have taken it over) and everytime music or talk goes on it theres like "static" not too loud but noticeable on a good radio.What could it be?It wasnt like that 2 months ago before it went silent when it played 60s and 70's music. Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From bratina501@msn.com Fri Jan 23 13:29:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59694 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 21:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 21:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 21:29:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 21:27:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:27:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <12f.39f09e77.2d41b3d5@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 537 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.143 Subject: Re: IBOC mentioned on Clear Channel station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Kiss 106.1...was this in the Evansville area, by any chance? > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > No it is KBSK 106.1 in Seattle Washington. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Fri Jan 23 14:13:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12509 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 22:13:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 22:13:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 22:13:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 22:13:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:13:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 287 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.2.6 Subject: Re: Terk AM 1000 AM Loop still available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > The Terk AM1000 loop is still available from J & R electronics. It is > in stock at $39.95. The web site is www.jandr.com. Appears to be available acc to Froogle as low as $27.99, a great loop indeed From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Fri Jan 23 14:16:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33714 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 22:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 22:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 22:16:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 22:16:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:16:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 57 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.2.6 Subject: Online AM stereo tunable radio ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Is'nt this possible with a javaradio setup or similar ? From johnsyros2004@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 15:36:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: johnsyros2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9203 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 23:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 23:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60406.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.189) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 23:36:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20040123233619.11632.qmail@web60406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.16.186.98] by web60406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:36:19 PST Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:36:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.189 From: john syros Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philips AZ1305 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159848949 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnsyros2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Mark, I have finally found in Holland the needed manual for the Philips AZ1305 Boombox!! Woo it was really hard to locate... They asked me 25$US, plus shipping expences. Would you like me to proceed? Regards John Syros athens-Greece --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Fri Jan 23 18:09:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13192 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 02:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2004 02:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 02:09:39 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E04B72B62 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0ABC2137E for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040123211608.00ada640@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:17:23 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: TIRC loop VS. Select-A-Tenna? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is the Select-A-Tenna worth the mount for the 40DD Gain? Thanks, John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 18:45:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56572 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 02:45:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2004 02:45:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 02:45:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2004 02:45:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:45:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040123211608.00ada640@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 282 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.29 Subject: Re: TIRC loop VS. Select-A-Tenna? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > Is the Select-A-Tenna worth the mount for the 40DD Gain? Mine only does something like 32 dB (decibels), but that's nothing to sneeze at- Just 6 dB is a doubling of signal strength! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Fri Jan 23 19:23:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55566 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 03:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2004 03:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 03:23:44 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 02B3A70F31 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E12C2611C for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040123223046.025eba60@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:31:34 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040123211608.00ada640@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: TIRC loop VS. Select-A-Tenna? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you have the better one, the one wit the amp? John At 02:45 AM 01/24/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Mine only does something like 32 dB (decibels), but that's nothing to >sneeze at- Just 6 dB is a doubling of signal strength! > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 20:04:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32086 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 04:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2004 04:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 04:04:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2004 04:04:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:04:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040123223046.025eba60@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 374 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.29 Subject: {AMSF} Re: TIRC loop VS. Select-A-Tenna? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > Do you have the better one, the one wit the amp? > John > > At 02:45 AM 01/24/2004 +0000, you wrote: > >Mine only does something like 32 dB (decibels), but that's nothing to > >sneeze at- Just 6 dB is a doubling of signal strength! Nope, just the basic Select-A-Tenna. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 21:00:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97629 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 05:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2004 05:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 05:00:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2004 05:00:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 05:00:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 966 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: {AMSF} Re: TIRC loop VS. Select-A-Tenna? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key How good is it at adjacent-channel (or near-adjacent-channel) selectivity? I would like to find a good antenna to pull in some weak stations, and in one case there is a very strong station 20KHz away, and in another case there is one 10KHz away that's not nearly as strong (actually 2 of them - one on either side of the wanted station), but the station I want is so weak as to make it difficult if not impossible with my radio's built-in antenna and a long chain-link fence to pull it out. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II > wrote: > > Do you have the better one, the one wit the amp? > > John > > > > At 02:45 AM 01/24/2004 +0000, you wrote: > > >Mine only does something like 32 dB (decibels), but that's nothing > to > > >sneeze at- Just 6 dB is a doubling of signal strength! > > Nope, just the basic Select-A-Tenna. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Jan 23 22:19:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85619 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 06:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2004 06:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 06:19:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2004 06:19:23 -0000 Date: 24 Jan 2004 06:19:22 -0000 Message-ID: <1074925162.43621.49463.w42@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /digital/KTNQ Fires Up the IBOC.mp3 Uploaded by : narkspud Description : A brief aircheck of KTNQ, Los Angeles, capturing the morning "switch-on" of their IBOC signal and the interference it generates for analog listeners. The aircheck is recorded from a Carver TX-11a in wide bandwidth mode, from approx. 11 miles away from the transmitter. Recorded January 23, 2004. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/digital/KTNQ%20Fires%20Up%20the%20IBOC.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, narkspud From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 00:57:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66516 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 08:57:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2004 08:57:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 08:57:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2004 08:57:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:57:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1074925162.43621.49463.w42@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2357 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Hmm... Carver TX-11a... wideband... 11mi from KTNQ (which is about 5.6 miles away from KDIS 1110.... How close are you to KDIS? Is there a way you could get an unscoped stereo aircheck (as good of a quality as possible - for example 44KHz 256kbps or 320kbps, maybe VBR) of their Top 30 countdown Sunday, from approx 5pm to 8pm? I'd appreciate it if you (or someone with a good setup close to the station) could. I don't get a very good signal where I am - there's a local AM 1130 that stomps all over it unless it goes off the air which it does on unpredictable occasions... (links to a couple airchecks done (oh, it's 6 minutes past midnight now...) yesterday morning when KSDO 1130 Radio Nueva Vida was off the air, then when they came back on the air - SRF-42 on chain-link fence - are below). ok... first link coming now as soon as my computer responds to my requests.... this one's the one with Disney in the first several minutes, then Radio Nueva Vida (KSDO 1130) signs on, and the aircheck is scoped from there - I took out most of the KSDO stuff, except for the commercials in which the TX went off for a couple seconds (I kept the full-length commercial(s)), a few scoped songs with a temporary "KSDO power outage" (leaving the part where they were off the air intact), and a station ID or two. The radio is tuned to AM 1110 the entire time, btw. http://68.105.110.45:1180/stephen/amradio/KDIS_01-23-2004_1015am_to_approx_1115am.mp3 (not sure if I should be uploading so many from the same station to the ftp.amstereo.com uploads folder.. but if someone wants to put it there or somewhere else that'd be fine. btw the upload bandwidth on that server is limited to approx 20 kbytes/sec.) 2nd link (recorded before KSDO came back on the air - this one's completely unscoped) http://68.105.110.45:1180/stephen/amradio/KDIS_01-23-2004_0850am-0950am.mp3 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > File : /digital/KTNQ Fires Up the IBOC.mp3 > Uploaded by : narkspud > Description : A brief aircheck of KTNQ, Los Angeles, capturing the morning "switch-on" of their IBOC signal and the interference it generates for analog listeners. The aircheck is recorded from a Carver TX-11a in wide bandwidth mode, from approx. 11 miles away from the transmitter. Recorded January 23, 2004. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 01:09:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19402 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 09:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2004 09:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 09:09:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20040124090921.54676.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.163] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:09:21 PST Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:09:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.37 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus You should get a Sony SRF A300 which is AM $TEREO and dx's really well that will null out 1130 and enable you to hear KDIS.The thing works fine here getting 3EE on 693 here at night(not every night due to it being 1600 miles away) and contending with a local on 702 plus a night timer on 693. You can hold the radio on an angle and even the locals fade in and out at night time I reguarly here. Michael --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > > I don't get a > very good signal > where I am - there's a local AM 1130 that stomps all > over it unless it > goes off the air which it does on unpredictable > occasions... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Jan 24 01:13:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92491 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 09:13:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2004 09:13:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 09:13:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2004 09:13:08 -0000 Date: 24 Jan 2004 09:13:08 -0000 Message-ID: <1074935588.8650.84184.w71@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Ktnq.gif Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Audio spectrum analysis graph of KTNQ, as received on a Carver TX-11a. Purple line = analog only (no IBOC), blue line = IBOC in use. The primary IBOC sideband is over 30 dB above the analog noise floor. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Ktnq.gif To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 02:14:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14968 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 10:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2004 10:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 10:14:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2004 10:14:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:14:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040124090921.54676.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2326 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: {AMSF} Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key How does it compare to the SRF-42? Also how does the SRF-AX15 and SRF-AX51V compare? And do they tune at least from 530 to 1710? Basically, I would like to know how audio response, selectivity (at 10KHz and 20KHz especially), and sensitivity on those compare to the SRF-42. I looked up FCC database info, and estimated approximate field strengths are: 1130: daytime ~ 73.4mV/m, nighttime ~ 87.1mV/m. distance approx 6-7mi, ERP daytime ~ 12kW, nighttime ~ 16kW (bearing approx 172deg) 1110: daytime ~ 407.5uV/m groundwave (GW), nighttime ~ 417.4uV/m 50% skywave (50S), 843.8uV/m 10S (69.6uV/m GW). distance approx 110-115mi, ERP daytime ~ 89kW (but doesn't get to me very well at all - much worse than two 50kW stations - one on 1070 and one on 640 - and comparable to 980's 5kW), nighttime ~ 2kW (bearing approx 147deg) As a side note, another station I'd like to get a better signal on at 7:30am on Sunday mornings: KPRO 1570 - distance approx 85mi, daytime ERP ~ 18w, GW ~ 5.4uV/m, 50S ~ 45.7uV/m, 10S ~ 92.3uV/m (bearing approx 162deg) interfering stations: KNZR 1560 - distance approx 210-215mi, daytime ERP 25kW, 50S ~ 907.4uV/m, 10S ~ 1855.6uV/m, GW (not receivable midday, but does give me problems early in the morning soon after sunrise) ~ 11.2uV/m (bearing approx 145deg) KBLA 1580 - distance approx 118mi, daytime ERP ~ 80kW, GW ~ 154.1uV/m, 50% ~2259.1uV/m, 10% ~4563.1uV/m (bearing approx 140deg) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > You should get a Sony SRF A300 which is AM $TEREO and > dx's really well that will null out 1130 and enable > you to hear KDIS.The thing works fine here getting 3EE > on 693 here at night(not every night due to it being > 1600 miles away) and contending with a local on 702 > plus a night timer on 693. > You can hold the radio on an angle and even the locals > fade in and out at night time I reguarly here. > > Michael > --- pianoplayer88key > wrote: > > > > I don't get a > > very good signal > > where I am - there's a local AM 1130 that stomps all > > over it unless it > > goes off the air which it does on unpredictable > > occasions... > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sat Jan 24 03:50:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50547 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 11:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2004 11:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 11:50:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:49:59 -0800 Received: from 68.76.49.109 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:49:59 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 06:49:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2004 11:49:59.0948 (UTC) FILETIME=[31FE74C0:01C3E270] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.67 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.76.49.109] Subject: RE: {AMSF} any good AM Stereo classical music airchecks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Again, if anyone lives in the Grand Rapids (MI) area, there is a possiblity with WGVU 1480. This is an NPR station (in AM stereo of course) that is mostly talk, but may have classical music programming. I don't live/work close enough to pick them up (especially at home with 1450 a few miles away). Paul Crane >From: "pianoplayer88key" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} any good AM Stereo classical music airchecks? >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:17:36 -0000 > >I'm posting a message on a piano related message board, and I'd like >to know if there's any good AM Stereo aircheck of classical music so I >could link it on that board - I'm making a mention of AM Stereo in my >preferences for a HDD-based mp3 player/recorder (someone posted asking >for recommendations to record their piano playing and I gave my >opinion on a unit I have, and someone else was mentioning HD mp3 >player/recorder and gave a few criteria for what he would want on a >recorder, including 20GB HD or better, and FM radio) and I think it >would be nice to have a link to some good piano music in C-Quam AM >Stereo to post on that board. I have a local AM classical station on >1450 about 35 miles north of me, but I think it's mono, and the >daytime signal is weak (and you can probably guess based on my >observation about the daytime signal, the frequency, and the distance, >what the nighttime signal is like ;)). > _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 From oscar@globility.com Sat Jan 24 04:48:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43942 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 12:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2004 12:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 12:48:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2004 12:48:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:48:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 417 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.175 Subject: Robert Feder on WGN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Not to re-awaken the pangs of disappointment we all felt on hearing about the demise of WGN's AM-stereo transmissions, but Robert Feder's column, the day he wrote about WGN, contained a great deal more stuff than that, some of it very interesting to you broadcasting history buffs. A good friend kindly sent me the URL. Take a look at http://www.suntimes.com/output/feder/cst-fin-feder06.html Thanks Pete. MS From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Jan 24 04:51:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 435 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 12:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2004 12:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.193) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 12:51:21 -0000 Received: from storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 00821BE1B for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:51:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA25442; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:51:20 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQAjSoUQjJkn05cGId4Db5GssmhoQIVAIUktJ5xScpqKweJmumIyIW/Aslz Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 06:51:20 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <7652-40126A48-1022@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 24 Jan 2004 09:09:27 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.193 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Terk AM Loop AM-1000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 The Terk AM loop antenna is still available. The electronic store I work at still sells these loops, and should still be orderable. I have never tried the Terk version, But I have the Radio Shack version P/N RS 15-1853. The RS loop works real well, and I have my SRF-42 AM Stereo Sony Walkman wire tied onto it. The last time I checked, our main store in Des Moines had 1 or 2 of these Terk AM-1000 loops in stock. If anybody is looking for one of these call me at 1-800-798-5965 ext 105 and I will check for availability.. We can ship UPS C.o.d. or using a Credit / Debit Card works as well. Bill Snyder - Mid- State Electronics Omaha, NE Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 11:25:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55642 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 19:25:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2004 19:25:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 19:25:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2004 19:25:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:25:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 421 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: {AMSF} any good AM Stereo classical music airchecks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 There's a Kahn-Hazeltine demo that was done in the 80s that features a brief and rather breathtaking snippet of WQXR/1560...If I ever get around to uploading all the stuff I plan on uploading to the site, I'll try and remember to get it here..Otherwise, somebody else may have a copy of said demo...I got it from someone else here (I won't say who because I'm not sure if they want me to divulge their name). -tony From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 13:38:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7756 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 21:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2004 21:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 21:38:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20040124213726.65216.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:37:26 PST Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:37:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.70 From: "John P." Subject: Classical Station on AM in KC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio PianoMan wrote: "if there's any good AM Stereo aircheck of classical music so I could link it on that board - I'm making a mention of AM Stereo in my preferences for a HDD-based mp3 player/recorder" Two comments: There is a Classical AM station in Kansas City in the EB (1660) that would be a great candidate for CQuam quality. Also, Sony's ATRAC MiniDisc recording system is a decent one AFA MP3-type files. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 13:49:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76985 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 21:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2004 21:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 21:49:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20040124214947.66599.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:49:47 PST Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:49:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.70 From: "John P." Subject: BURP on Whiter Shade of.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio While listening to "Whiter Shade-O-Pale", does anybody else get a digital 'burp' at 3:02 in the music, or is it just me? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 15:57:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38656 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 23:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2004 23:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 23:57:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2004 23:57:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:57:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 168 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: anyone know of a decent free Japanese --> English PDF translator? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key http://www.sony.jp/ServiceArea/impdf/pdf/3757682041.pdf http://www.sony.jp/ServiceArea/impdf/pdf/3758006051.pdf http://www.sony.jp/ServiceArea/impdf/pdf/3756873041.pdf From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Jan 24 17:48:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68793 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 01:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 01:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.133) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 01:48:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:48:46 -0800 Received: from 65.140.98.123 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:48:46 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:48:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2004 01:48:46.0428 (UTC) FILETIME=[5EE9E1C0:01C3E2E5] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.133 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [65.140.98.123] Subject: RE: {AMSF} BURP on Whiter Shade --I do Too X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Yes, I get the same digital "burp" at the same point. Michael Upton mrupton@hotmail.com >From: "John P." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} BURP on Whiter Shade of.... >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:49:47 -0800 (PST) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com >Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.105]) by >mc7-f38.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Sat, 24 Jan 2004 >13:50:38 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan >2004 21:49:48 -0000 >Received: (qmail 76985 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 21:49:47 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >24 Jan 2004 21:49:47 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by >mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 21:49:47 -0000 >Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 >Jan 2004 13:49:47 PST >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEo6YlME7sxeup92PAFeTn3 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-4085512-15764-1074980987-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: <20040124214947.66599.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.70 >X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-15764-1074980987-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2004 21:50:38.0148 (UTC) >FILETIME=[1A6F6040:01C3E2C4] > >While listening to "Whiter Shade-O-Pale", does anybody else get a digital >'burp' at 3:02 in the music, or is it just me? > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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Try it! >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ _________________________________________________________________ Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software — optimizes dial-up to the max! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1 From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 18:25:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74613 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 02:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 02:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 02:25:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 02:25:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 02:25:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 341 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 209.30.154.227 Subject: 1190 in Dallas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee The word on the street here in Dallas is that 1190--once The Mighty 1190 KLIF (KLIF is now a mono talker at 570)--is going Oldies. On Friday, they fired the entire staff that was supporting Fox Radio Sports local programming. No word yet whether they'll be turning on their AM Stereo exciter. But I'll be pestering them about it... From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 24 18:44:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33686 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 02:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 02:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 02:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO JimSmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.123.99.212 with login) by smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 02:44:38 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c3e2ec$752c42a0$1413fea9@JimSmith> To: "AMSTEREO" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:38:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.187 From: Subject: getting forumm e mails X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 For some reason i am gettting the forum e mail . So far i have gotten 5 of them. 1 from Douglas B 1 From pianoplater88key 2 from John P and i from Anthony. I do'nt know what to say. I am not doing this on perpuss. Jim S From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 20:16:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44232 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 04:16:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 04:16:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 04:16:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 04:16:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:16:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c3e2ec$752c42a0$1413fea9@JimSmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 397 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.11 Subject: Re: getting forumm e mails X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > For some reason i am gettting the forum e mail . So far i have > gotten 5 of them. 1 from Douglas B 1 From pianoplater88key 2 > from John P and i from Anthony. I do'nt know what to say. I am not > doing this on perpuss. > Jim S Your "sbcglobal.net" address was set to "Individual Emails". I changed it to "No Email". This should take care of the problem. Kevin T. AM Stereo Forum Sysop From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 20:21:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28152 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 04:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 04:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 04:21:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 04:21:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:21:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 357 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.11 Subject: Re: BURP on Whiter Shade --I do Too X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > While listening to "Whiter Shade-O-Pale", does anybody else get a > digital 'burp' at 3:02 in the music, or is it just me? Yes, there is a glitch in the file. I originally downloaded it from AudioGalaxy, which is long gone, so I don't have a better copy. Better MP3 players will usually mute or skip over the glitch, so you don't hear the "chirp". From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Jan 25 06:35:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85122 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 14:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 14:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.194) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 14:35:02 -0000 Received: from storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 77F401068C; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 06:35:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id GAA06963; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 06:35:02 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQbdn/aLzFrAXKcMlhsaPP9y79ESQIUGXfHmJztTOY7Sjxo7a+XKjiptIk= Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:35:02 -0600 (CST) To: deepcoffee@yahoo.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, ABDX@topica.com Message-ID: <604-4013D416-507@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.194 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: 1190 Dallas to change formats X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Interesting,, I remember 1190 when I lived in Irving, TX in 1997,- 1998. Weren't they (1190) KLUV-AM for a while simulcasting the FM on 98.7? Fox Sports as of late. I remember getting KLIF 1190 about 1992, 1993 at Peru, NE while I was heading to a meeting at Peru State College, My alumni mater, it was still daylight around 6 PM in March. KLIF was coming in real well, much to my total surprise. I was using a Chrysler AM/ST car radio. KFEZ 1190 Kansas City was the usual station heard on that channel with KOIL on 1180 out of Omaha adjacent. 1200 has WOAI at night. Both KFEZ and KOIL ran an adult standards format at the time. KLIF may of been running a talk format at the time. The current Dallas 1190 going to oldies would be a good move. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Jan 25 06:51:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69864 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 14:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 14:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 14:51:36 -0000 Received: from storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 31C1BBEB4; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 06:51:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id GAA07676; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 06:51:31 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQkVaxlwLuvPGxPTf0knJFZyj/uaQIVAI35gQJTZ33kZaLBtUkynBPuz2tM Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:51:30 -0600 (CST) To: oscar@globility.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <604-4013D7F2-540@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: WGN cancels Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Sad, Isn't it! WGN & WLS are the two Chicago AM stations that I can get consistently at night here at Omaha, NE OH, received a recent message I am forwarding : FROM: HarryCarey@heaven.com RE: WGN I am very saddened that my former station, WGN has quit broadcasting in AM Stereo, Cubs games just won't seem the same! All good Cubbie fans should call or write WGN and pester them to return to stereo! SEE you later, Harry From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jan 25 07:12:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25009 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 15:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 15:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 15:12:11 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.56]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:19:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c3e355$605def40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:10:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: OT- Computer problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I hope one of you can help on this one. Yetserday, I had an email come in (outhouse express) from Microsoft about a security problem. I did not click on anything- but I noticed that my HD activity LED started to go nuts, so I suspected a Trojan horse or something- I did an emergency shut down. Now, everything goes in super slow time when I am online. The connection indicates full speed, but everything I do takes forever now. Even clicking on my mailbox takes 60 seconds to appear, and forget about going to any graphic intensive website. Has anyone else experienced this? All my other programs run fine, normal speed. help?? Chris From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 07:21:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84584 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 15:21:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 15:21:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 15:20:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20040125152059.37742.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:20:59 PST Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:20:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000901c3e355$605def40$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Chris Cuff wrote: > I hope one of you can help on this one. Yetserday, I > had an email come in > (outhouse express) from Microsoft about a security > problem. Microsoft does not email you about security problems. There's a worm / virus sent out that does pose a threat and that's in the form it arrives. I did not click > on anything- but I noticed that my HD activity LED > started to go nuts, so I > suspected a Trojan horse or something- I did an > emergency shut down. If OE is set for preview you are screwed. > Now, everything goes in super slow time when I am > online. The connection > indicates full speed, but everything I do takes > forever now. Even clicking > on my mailbox takes 60 seconds to appear, and forget > about going to any > graphic intensive website. > Has anyone else experienced this? All my other > programs run fine, normal > speed. > help?? > Chris What does your virus checker say? and get rid of Outlook and get Pegasus Mail, or pay for the good version of Eudora! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From castellano105@yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 07:53:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63396 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 15:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 15:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 15:53:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 15:53:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:53:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 390 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 207.69.138.200 Subject: Format Change. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 WMOP AM Stereo 900 Ocala.Florida. This Station brodcasted Country Music in AM Stereo as long as I have lived in Marion County from 1989. In 2003 the Station change format,it still transmits in stereo,but not Music now it brodcasts sports as parte of ESPN Network. Too many AM Stations have change from music to non music format. Francisco Guzman X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55316 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 16:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 16:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 16:48:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 16:48:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:48:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c3e355$605def40$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 820 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.102 Subject: Re: OT- Computer problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules If you have a preview pane, when you click on the e-mail, then it will dump its payload on your computer, even if you don't read it. Norton runs special rebates every so often, making their virus scan software free. Get it, and scan your hard drive for any viruses weekly. Meanwhile, don't open any attachments, unless from someone you know. Also, defrag your hard drive once a month. It makes a big difference in running applications. Increase your RAM to atleast 256MB. To determine your ISP connection performance, go to http://toast.net/performance Select both image and text, the Canada free test, then run test. It will tell you your connection speed in bits per second. Microsoft will never send you something unsolicited. I usually look at the sender's address, though these can be spoofed. From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Jan 25 09:32:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92907 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 17:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 17:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 17:32:31 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040125173224.OTYO17405.fed1mtao07.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:32:24 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:32:24 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <604-4013D416-507@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> Message-Id: <7014281C-4F5C-11D8-9F40-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.124 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1190 Dallas to change formats X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I once received 1190 KEX from Portland, OR while I was in Hawaii on=20 vacation. Great station at the time. In Southern California, 1190 was=20 the great KEZY. That's all gone now ... On Sunday, January 25, 2004, at 06:35 AM, oldphones@webtv.net wrote: > =A0=A0=A0 Interesting,,=A0 I remember=A0 1190 when I lived in Irving, TX= =A0 in > 1997,- 1998.=A0=A0 Weren't they (1190) KLUV-AM for a while simulcasting t= he > FM on 98.7?=A0 Fox Sports as of late. > =A0=A0=A0=A0 I remember getting KLIF 1190 about 1992, 1993 at Peru, NE=A0= =A0 while=20 > I > was heading to a meeting at Peru State College, My alumni mater,=A0 it=20 > was > still daylight around 6 PM in March.=A0 KLIF was coming in real well,=20 > much > to my total surprise. I was using a Chrysler AM/ST car radio.=A0=A0 KFEZ > 1190 Kansas City was the usual station heard on that channel with KOIL > on 1180=A0 out of Omaha=A0 adjacent.=A0 1200 has WOAI at night.=A0=A0 Bot= h KFEZ > and KOIL=A0 ran an adult standards format at the time.=A0=A0 KLIF may of = been > running a talk format at the time.=A0 > =A0=A0=A0=A0 The current Dallas 1190 going to oldies would be a good move= .=A0 > > =A0 > =A0 Oldphones@ webtv. net=A0=A0 > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > wiring items > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Jan 25 09:34:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72102 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 17:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 17:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 17:34:20 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040125173413.ODLT3322.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:34:13 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:34:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040125152059.37742.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.244 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ... or get a Mac ... On Sunday, January 25, 2004, at 07:20 AM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > and get rid of Outlook and get Pegasus Mail, or pay > for the good version of Eudora! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 10:07:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2784 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 18:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 18:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 18:07:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20040125180726.36795.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:07:26 PST Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:07:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > ... or get a Mac ... KLANG! That was another thought I had. Or um run Linux! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Jan 25 10:25:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40669 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 18:25:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 18:25:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 18:25:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:25:21 -0800 Received: from 171.75.128.218 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:25:21 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:25:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2004 18:25:21.0465 (UTC) FILETIME=[97887290:01C3E370] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.87 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [171.75.128.218] Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT- Computer problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Chris, You might have downloaded a trojan which is a special virus that sometimes sends copies of itself to all your e-mail contacts, or does other malicious things to your PC Go to http://www.komando.com/bestshareware.asp and download and install AVG Antivirus from Grisoft and Spybot Search and Destroy from PepiMK and ZoneAlarm from Zone Labs, Inc. Update these programs after they are installed, and then run the antivirus first and then the spybot. This should clear your PC of any damaging spurious software, and Zone Alarm will prevent any trojan or other type software from delivering its payload. If you already have Mcaffee or Norton antivirus, update them and run them, and forget about the AVG Antivirus above. I hope this helps. MTGC (Michael) >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: {AMSF} OT- Computer problem? >Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:10:26 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com >Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.68]) by >mc3-f21.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Sun, 25 Jan 2004 >07:15:28 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan >2004 15:12:13 -0000 >Received: (qmail 25009 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 15:12:11 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >25 Jan 2004 15:12:11 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by >mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 15:12:11 -0000 >Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.56]) by mail.corp.in4web.com >(Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for >; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:19:14 -0500 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGFh6rSIIO/FgbSNvu4hHnE >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-4085512-15773-1075043532-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: <000901c3e355$605def40$0101a8c0@pavilion> >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-15773-1075043532-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2004 15:15:28.0725 (UTC) >FILETIME=[10EE4850:01C3E356] > >I hope one of you can help on this one. Yetserday, I had an email come in >(outhouse express) from Microsoft about a security problem. I did not click >on anything- but I noticed that my HD activity LED started to go nuts, so I >suspected a Trojan horse or something- I did an emergency shut down. >Now, everything goes in super slow time when I am online. The connection >indicates full speed, but everything I do takes forever now. Even clicking >on my mailbox takes 60 seconds to appear, and forget about going to any >graphic intensive website. >Has anyone else experienced this? All my other programs run fine, normal >speed. >help?? >Chris > _________________________________________________________________ High-speed users—be more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Jan 25 10:50:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65329 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 18:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 18:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 18:50:20 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i0PIo6fG004889; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:50:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000401c3e374$0d3b56d0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <604-4013D416-507@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:50:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1190 Dallas to change formats X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Interesting,, I remember 1190 when I lived in Irving, TX in > 1997,- 1998. Weren't they (1190) KLUV-AM for a while simulcasting the > FM on 98.7? Fox Sports as of late. > I remember getting KLIF 1190 about 1992, 1993 at Peru, NE while I > was heading to a meeting at Peru State College, My alumni mater, it was > still daylight around 6 PM in March. KLIF was coming in real well, much > to my total surprise. I was using a Chrysler AM/ST car radio. KFEZ > 1190 Kansas City was the usual station heard on that channel with KOIL > on 1180 out of Omaha adjacent. 1200 has WOAI at night. Both KFEZ > and KOIL ran an adult standards format at the time. KLIF may of been > running a talk format at the time. > The current Dallas 1190 going to oldies would be a good move. One interesting point about Dallas' 1190 (now KFXR): KFXR's night-time antenna array makes it the most directional AM station in the US. They have 2 different transmitter sites, one for days and one for nights. Their day-time transmitter site is just west of Dallas and broadcasts with 50 KW from a 4 tower in-line array. Their night-time transmitter site is located northeast of Dallas and broadcasts with 5 KW from a 12 tower array (2 rows of 6). There has been a long-standing joke that KFXR's night time array shoots their signal down Gaston Ave (I believe that's the street) and if you are on the pavement you can hear them, but once you step onto the sidewalk you loose them. Of course this is gross exaggeration, but KFXR is undeniably the most directional AM in America. I was in Dallas a couple of years ago and visited their night-time transmitter site and took a bunch of pictures and video. I then drove northeast of the site for about a mile (with all 12 towers still in sight) I totally lost the signal. It's the most incredible thing I've ever seen when it comes to AM antenna patterns. It is basically a 5 KW flashlight beam pointing into downtown Dallas from the northeast. From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jan 25 12:10:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22279 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 20:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 20:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 20:10:18 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.37.228]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:17:13 -0500 Message-ID: <001601c3e37f$00aa0500$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:08:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- Computer problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I did fix it- by going into windoze explorer, and rmoving a LOT of suspicious looking files- one in particular that was begun yesterday- a .DLL file- now everything is back to speed. I have never seen an "opt-out" method of outlook express, where you do not have to "preview" an email- if the email comes in, it is automatically opened if even if I want to delete it before reading it. As soon as it is highlighted, it is already in "preview"- I wish I could change that. At least with MSN, I can just check off the box of unwanted mail, and ditch it. Thanks Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: amstereorules To: Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 11:48 AM From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jan 25 13:45:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23646 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 21:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 21:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 21:45:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 21:45:10 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27888 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 21:15:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 21:15:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 21:15:28 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.76.3708cf59 (30970) for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:15:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <76.3708cf59.2d458beb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:15:23 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.35 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Classical Station on AM in KC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 25 Jan 2004 21:45:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 I'll have to dig up my 1989 aircheck of WGKA 1190 Atlanta! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jan 25 13:45:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 48348 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 21:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 21:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 21:45:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 21:45:30 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19597 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 21:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 21:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 21:15:32 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.1ab.1f8852d2 (30970) for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:15:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1ab.1f8852d2.2d458bed@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:15:25 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.97 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Anyone live near an AM Stereo Radio Disney? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 25 Jan 2004 21:45:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 WSDZ 1260 is also in analog mono, one step above Low Definition Radio (which iBiquity incorrectly calls "HD Radio"). The station may have been AM Stereo at one time in the late 1980s when it was WIBV with a satellite-fed Hot AC format (known back then as "Niche 29"). If they were, the station must have shut it off before it went all talk. They're leasing space from another ex-Stereo station, KTRS 550. ABC should have acquired a metro St. Louis FM outlet for Radio Disney instead. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bjackson@indyradio.com Sun Jan 25 13:57:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16578 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 21:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 21:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 21:57:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 21:57:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:57:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c3e355$605def40$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1109 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.108.210.98 Subject: Re: OT- Computer problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I hope one of you can help on this one. Yetserday, I had an email come in > (outhouse express) from Microsoft about a security problem. I did not click > on anything- but I noticed that my HD activity LED started to go nuts, so I > suspected a Trojan horse or something- I did an emergency shut down. > Now, everything goes in super slow time when I am online. The connection > indicates full speed, but everything I do takes forever now. Even clicking > on my mailbox takes 60 seconds to appear, and forget about going to any > graphic intensive website. > Has anyone else experienced this? All my other programs run fine, normal > speed. > help?? > Chris Chris, Sounds like you may have gotten a worm that is using all of your bandwidth while online. Have you tried the Trend Micro free online virus scanner? http://housecall.trendmicro.com/ You may also want to get a firewall if you don't have one yet. I use Zone Alarm...It's free & I'm a po DJ :-) - Brad Jackson - Afternoon Drive/Imaging - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 17:11:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35442 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 01:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 01:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 01:11:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 01:11:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:11:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 324 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 68.93.63.53 Subject: SR-940 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I know that a few of you have Marantz SR-940's... my eBay unit didn't come with a user manual or remote... Right now, when it's turned off, there's an "E" displayed on the LED screen. Can someone e-mail me directions for manually programming the time onto that screen? deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thanks in advance! Douglas From oscar@globility.com Sun Jan 25 17:12:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5627 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 01:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 01:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 01:12:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 01:12:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:12:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <604-4013D416-507@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 495 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.66 Subject: Re: 1190 Dallas to change formats X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy > The current Dallas 1190 going to oldies would be a good move. > I don't know how well oldies (the era of 50 - 70's) is doing down there, but I caught a small news blurb that Toronto's CHWO 740 had to let staff go at the end of '03, citing revenue shortfalls. I always thought their programming was pretty solid, but they do go off on tangents that can screw up a Sunday's listening and possibly affect their advertiser's interest. But that's only speculaltion on my part. MS From oscar@globility.com Sun Jan 25 17:18:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13094 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 01:18:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 01:18:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 01:18:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 01:18:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:18:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 772 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.66 Subject: Re: OT- Computer problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" > wrote: > > I hope one of you can help on this one. Yetserday, I had an email > come in > > (outhouse express) from Microsoft about a security problem. I did > not click > > on anything- but I noticed that my HD activity LED started to go > nuts, so I > > suspected a Trojan horse or something- I did an emergency shut > down. > > free & I'm a po DJ :-) You might want to download "Ad Aware" from Lavasoft. Could be a dataminer that has seeded itself so it can sell you this new "DSL for dialup" nonsense. Anyway, Ad Aware will clean out any pop-up generators and bugs that want to compile your browsing habits. MS From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 18:05:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81855 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 02:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 02:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 02:05:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 02:05:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 02:05:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <604-4013D7F2-540@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 460 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.113 Subject: Re: WGN cancels Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > FROM: HarryCarey@h... > RE: WGN > I am very saddened that my former station, WGN has quit > broadcasting in AM Stereo, Cubs games just won't seem the same! All > good Cubbie fans should call or write WGN and pester them to return to > stereo! SEE you later, Harry From the word one one of radio's TRUE legends! If Harry Carey calls for it, it should be done! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 18:11:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77026 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 02:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 02:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 02:10:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 02:10:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 02:10:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 414 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.113 Subject: Re: Format Change. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Francisco Guzman" wrote: =snip= > parte of ESPN Network. Too many AM Stations have change from music to > non music > format. Sadly, it's cheaper that way. RIAA's royalty fees have largely killed commercial music on the AM band, especially since for the most part, AM is a low-revenue broasdcast band. I wish it was not so. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 18:17:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1703 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 02:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 02:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 02:17:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 02:17:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 02:17:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7014281C-4F5C-11D8-9F40-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 345 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.113 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1190 Dallas to change formats X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I once received 1190 KEX from Portland, OR while I was in Hawaii on Reminds me that at one point, KEX had a unique way of using AM stereo- - It would turn on the stereo when it was music programming, and turn it off whenm it was news/talk/OTR. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 18:21:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67903 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 02:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 02:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 02:21:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 02:21:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 02:21:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 482 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.113 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > ... or get a Mac ... Macs are good. OS X is excellent, actually. (It's a beauty!) But I don't think this would protect from Java/Javascript code, unless there was something that screens that for harmful commands. Otherwise, Visual Basic scripts, exe3cutables, and so forth that could only affect Windows, is easily screened out. Now, I just need to finish reparing my iBook..... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 25 21:12:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51532 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 05:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 05:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.185) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 05:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO JimSmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.123.98.81 with login) by smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 05:12:15 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c3e3ca$3b918f80$1413fea9@JimSmith> To: "AMSTEREO" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:06:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.185 From: Subject: kex am 1190 and Harry Carey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 I get KEX AM 1190 almost all night long i can bearly get Super 62 KPOJ 620. I live just about 40 NE of Sacramento Ca . The am stereo ones i can get is 820 am Mexeco KNX am 1070 KABC am 790 those are at night. Day i can get KCTC am 1320 and KCBC am 770. You can hear Super 62 at www.super62.com . I saw a news report on Harry Carey a fue years ago saying that he had past away. I wonder hoo the imposter is ? Jim S From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 21:34:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81586 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 05:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 05:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 05:33:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 05:33:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 05:33:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 734 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.113 Subject: Re: OT- Computer problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "M S" wrote: > You might want to download "Ad Aware" from Lavasoft. Could be a > dataminer that has seeded itself so it can sell you this new "DSL > for dialup" nonsense. Anyway, Ad Aware will clean out any pop-up > generators and bugs that want to compile your browsing habits. Just say "no" to AdAware, as it does in fact put spyware on your machine, and will gleam over it when it scours your hard drive. I would instead recommend Spybot Search & Destroy, which does exactly what it's supposed to do, even does more, like immunize against further spybots and other "bad" products. I do also recommend Grisoft's AVG at www.grisoft.com - It's great! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 21:39:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57682 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 05:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 05:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 05:39:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 05:39:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 05:39:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c3e3ca$3b918f80$1413fea9@JimSmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 333 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.113 Subject: Re: kex am 1190 and Harry Carey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: =snip= > www.super62.com . I saw a news report on Harry Carey a fue years ago saying > that he had past away. I wonder hoo the imposter is ? Jim S Wait a minute, I think you're right about that! :( Mea culpa, for totally forgetting that. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jan 25 21:44:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95784 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 05:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 05:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 05:44:08 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.43] (d11-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.43]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id i0Q5i7I38271 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:44:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:43:24 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1075095588.2347.57687.m6@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: OT - Computer Problem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Richard, I like the way you think. A Mac using OS X is a smokin beast. Whats better is that no Virii have rocked Mac's world in a long time. I love my Mac running OS X. Kevin > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:34:13 -0800 > From: Richard Wagoner > Subject: Re: OT- Computer problem? > > ... or get a Mac ... > > > On Sunday, January 25, 2004, at 07:20 AM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW > wrote: > >> and get rid of Outlook and get Pegasus Mail, or pay >> for the good version of Eudora! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 26 02:02:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87282 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 10:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 10:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 10:02:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 10:01:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:01:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c3e3ca$3b918f80$1413fea9@JimSmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 817 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.126.220.153 Subject: Re: kex am 1190 and Harry Carey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > I get KEX AM 1190 almost all night long i can bearly get Super 62 KPOJ > 620. I live just about 40 NE of Sacramento Ca . The am stereo ones i can > get is 820 am Mexeco KNX am 1070 KABC am 790 those are at night. Day > i can get KCTC am 1320 and KCBC am 770. You can hear Super 62 at > www.super62.com . I saw a news report on Harry Carey a fue years ago saying > that he had past away. I wonder hoo the imposter is ? Jim S I all so get KSL am 1160(N) KPNW am 1120(N) KOMO am 1000(n) KFRC am 610(N&D) KFMB Am 760(N) KSUR AM 540(N) KMJ AM 580(N) KFI an 640(N) KGA am 1510 (N) KSFO am 560 (N&D) KCBS am 740 (N&D) KGO am 810 (N&D) KTRB AM 860(D) Thay are all that i know of mono statoins. Thats to bad. Jim S From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jan 26 06:49:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49608 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 14:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 14:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 14:49:56 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:49:52 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c3e41b$a7f1d6c0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:49:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- Computer problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ad Aware works pretty good. The one I use at my business and on all my customers' machines is "Spybot." Go to www.spybot.info for more info about it. It's available through just about any shareware site.....Tucows...CNet download.com...etc. It's a nice little program, it's absolutely free and doesn't try to upsell you or anything. Just does the job very nicely and is the best adware/spyware program I've found to date. If you want a good anti-virus program go to www.freeav.com . (ducks at risk of starting an argument). I have found this anti-virus program has caught viruses, trojan horses, and worms that both McAfee and Norton couldn't. Plus it does NOT cripple your system the way those two do. Again, I recommend it to all my customers and run it on all my personal and business machines....plus all 8 of our machines here at the station. Just some helpful advice from a computer tech. Michael n WYO Owner - Cajun Computers --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" > wrote: > > I hope one of you can help on this one. Yetserday, I had an email > come in > > (outhouse express) from Microsoft about a security problem. I did > not click > > on anything- but I noticed that my HD activity LED started to go > nuts, so I > > suspected a Trojan horse or something- I did an emergency shut > down. > > free & I'm a po DJ :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Jan 26 10:00:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76432 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 18:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 18:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 18:00:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:00:02 -0800 Received: from 171.75.128.73 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:00:02 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:00:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2004 18:00:02.0869 (UTC) FILETIME=[38CAD650:01C3E436] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.50 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [171.75.128.73] Subject: Harry Carey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 There have been a few posts questioning who the imposter is for the late Mr. Carey. As can be seen by the fake address "@heaven.com", it would appear that this is just a spoof, albeit for a good cause, but a spoof all the same. MTGC (Michael) >From: "Amy Mousie" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: WGN cancels Stereo >Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 02:05:05 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.113 >X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com >Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.100]) by >mc6-f10.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Sun, 25 Jan 2004 >18:06:31 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan >2004 02:05:11 -0000 >Received: (qmail 81855 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 02:05:04 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >26 Jan 2004 02:05:04 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by >mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 02:05:07 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan >2004 02:05:06 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFFITJhHrjtAA4/NXC79JE1 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-4085512-15789-1075082705-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: >In-Reply-To: <604-4013D7F2-540@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 >X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-15789-1075082705-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2004 02:06:32.0015 (UTC) >FILETIME=[04774DF0:01C3E3B1] > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > > > FROM: HarryCarey@h... > > RE: WGN > > I am very saddened that my former station, WGN has quit > > broadcasting in AM Stereo, Cubs games just won't seem the same! >All > > good Cubbie fans should call or write WGN and pester them to return >to > > stereo! SEE you later, Harry > >From the word one one of radio's TRUE legends! If Harry Carey calls >for it, it should be done! > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > _________________________________________________________________ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 From stodd@vippn.com Mon Jan 26 11:56:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64531 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 19:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 19:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 19:56:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 19:55:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:55:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 515 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: SR-940 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > I know that a few of you have Marantz SR-940's... my eBay unit didn't come with a > user manual or remote... > > Right now, when it's turned off, there's an "E" displayed on the LED screen. Can > someone e-mail me directions for manually programming the time onto that screen? Haven't checked there yet myself, but www.servicemanuals.net has both service and owner's manuals for lots of different gear like this. Scott Todd From stodd@vippn.com Mon Jan 26 12:12:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66968 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 20:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 20:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 20:12:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 20:10:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:10:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 673 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Ford pinout X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Just got a Ford premium radio today, and I want to check it out. I don't want to wait til I can afford the adapter connectors to try it. What is the pinout on the connectors on the back? One is a row of 8 blade-type terminals, and there's a smaller one with eight pins (two rows of four each.) I can jury-rig an outboard amp and want to try some AM stereo with it. (There's a six pin connector too, but I understand that's for an optional CD control.) One other question- I've had experience with similar looking mono radios, and from what I can tell, you can't step-tune these. Or can you, and if so, how? All I see are scan and seek buttons. Scott Todd From stodd@vippn.com Mon Jan 26 12:14:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40432 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 20:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 20:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 20:14:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 20:13:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:13:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 186 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: another went mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Somewhat old news as it happened a few months ago, but KYMN replaced their old main (Gates BC-1G) with a new Nautel. I'm going to see if I can get their old stereo gear. Scott Todd From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Jan 26 12:45:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73665 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 20:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 20:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 20:45:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 20:45:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:45:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 310 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.4.214 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > ... or get a Mac ... > > Macs are good. OS X is excellent, actually. (It's a beauty!) What's the min spec to run OS X in pc terms / mac terms ? From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 13:17:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49614 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 21:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 21:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 21:17:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 21:15:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:15:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 74 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: mac vs. pc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee All macs arrive with AM Stereo, so that settles it, doesn't it? heh-heh. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 15:57:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97893 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 23:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 23:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 23:56:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 23:55:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:55:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 659 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.113 Subject: Re: mac vs. pc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > All macs arrive with AM Stereo, so that settles it, doesn't it? > > heh-heh. Heh! :) Not really, but owning a Mac requires the same "Think Different" mentality as does one's interest in AM stereo. :) I'm just surprized there aren't too many more here who DO have Macs, like Mr. Wagoner and I, simply because we, who like AM stereo, and proud of our AM heritage, even in the face of oblivion, dare3 to think differently and boldly! :) Truly this quality is common with both Man and AM stereo people, right? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Daring to be Different in the 21st Century!) From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 16:05:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82420 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 00:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 00:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 00:04:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 00:02:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 00:02:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 991 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: mac vs. pc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Actually, I AM a Mac owner... my blue & white G3 is still rockin'... even with OS X and no processor upgrade. The day of an upgrade may come soon, though. I have to boot in OS 9 for my Pro Tools to work properly. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." > wrote: > > All macs arrive with AM Stereo, so that settles it, doesn't it? > > > > heh-heh. > > Heh! :) Not really, but owning a Mac requires the same "Think > Different" mentality as does one's interest in AM stereo. :) I'm just > surprized there aren't too many more here who DO have Macs, like Mr. > Wagoner and I, simply because we, who like AM stereo, and proud of > our AM heritage, even in the face of oblivion, dare3 to think > differently and boldly! :) Truly this quality is common with both Man > and AM stereo people, right? :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Daring to be Different in the 21st Century!) From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 16:16:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1997 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 00:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 00:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 00:16:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 00:14:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 00:14:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1828 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.113 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > > > wrote: > > > ... or get a Mac ... > > > > Macs are good. OS X is excellent, actually. (It's a beauty!) > > What's the min spec to run OS X in pc terms / mac terms ? I run 10.2.3 on my 300MHz iBook and WinME on my 1GHz Dell. The iBook actually runs faster! :) With both OS X and OS 9 ("Classic"), minus the localization files, plus a handful of various programs installed, I had 1.2 out of 3.2GB filled. WinME takes up more than that on the Dell. Whjen I was in Anaheim, I was logged in with the iBook. Oh, yeah, the battery lasts about 3 times as long, too. :) I have used PCs now for about 13 years, and never had experience with a Mac until this last October. I have never judged anyone for using one or the other- Always thought of it as a matter of taste, and I still think that. I might eventually switch entirely to Macs, though, depending on how I can afford it- Macs ARE more stable and more crash- resistant than PCs, but there's still alot more PC stuff out there, and I have yet to learn how to write programs, or I would write a few myself. I'm just not that bright a mousie, I guess. :( How would I characterize OS X? Think of UNIX with a Mac-like (but better!) interface, and alot more cross-platform-tolerant than its predecessors. It isn't too hard to learn (neither is Windows), and there are fewer4 problems. You CAN do just about anything on a Mac that you can on a PC. A Mac can make an excellent DJ's tool- There is free and pay software for the Mac-oriented DJ and radio enthusiast, including "cart" software, etc., etc., etc. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 16:24:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71792 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 00:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 00:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 00:24:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 00:23:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 00:23:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 400 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.153 Subject: Re: Ford pinout X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > One other question- I've had experience with similar looking mono > radios, and from what I can tell, you can't step-tune these. Or > can you, and if so, how? All I see are scan and seek buttons. If it has an "AMS" button, then in addition to switching the "Auto Music Search" cassette function on or off, the AMS button will also switch the radio tuner between manual and auto-seek tuning. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 16:42:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95858 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 00:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 00:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 00:42:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 00:41:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 00:41:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 993 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.153 Subject: Re: mac vs. pc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > All macs arrive with AM Stereo, so that settles it, doesn't it? > > heh-heh. Actually, the first personal computer with built-in stereo sound was Commodore's Amiga 1000, in 1985. Macintosh computers did have good sound capabilities, but they weren't equipped for stereo until at least the late '80s or early '90s. And the PC world didn't have any true stereo to speak of until the Sound Blaster Pro card arrived in 1991 (although the Gravis UltraSound Pro, a.k.a. "GUS", may have had it earlier?). Notice I mentioned "built-in". External devices capable of generating stereo sound were available much earlier. For their TRS-80 line of computers, Radio Shack introduced a stereo music synthesizer device called the "Orchestra-85" in 1982. Otherwise, most computers of that time were stuck with crude, single-voice sound (although a few games like Actioncraft's "Pick-A-Dilly Pair" used creative programming to generate polyphonic music, at least on the Apple ][ series). From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 17:02:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86155 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 01:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 01:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 01:02:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 01:02:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:02:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1678 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.113 Subject: Re: mac vs. pc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: -80 ; IPCR=g-w0,n0,g100 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > All macs arrive with AM Stereo, so that settles it, doesn't it? > > > > heh-heh. > > Actually, the first personal computer with built-in stereo sound was > Commodore's Amiga 1000, in 1985. Macintosh computers did have good > sound capabilities, but they weren't equipped for stereo until at > least the late '80s or early '90s. And the PC world didn't have any > true stereo to speak of until the Sound Blaster Pro card arrived in > 1991 (although the Gravis UltraSound Pro, a.k.a. "GUS", may have had > it earlier?). Quite correct. The GUS did come earlier, and was a boon for gamers and early computer-based MIDI composition and arrangement- The GUS's MIDI patch banks were legendary for their quality, and Windows' built- in MIDI support still has yet to catch up. The first MOD/S3M/XM music-module players specificly worked for the GUS. And I have an Amiga A500, built 1988, and yes, it had stereo. :) Excellent machines, they were. :) > Notice I mentioned "built-in". External devices capable of > generating stereo sound were available much earlier. For their > TRS-80 line of computers, Radio Shack introduced a stereo music > synthesizer device called the "Orchestra-85" in 1982. Otherwise, > most computers of that time were stuck with crude, single-voice > sound (although a few games like Actioncraft's "Pick-A-Dilly Pair" > used creative programming to generate polyphonic music, at least on > the Apple ][ series). Tandy/RS's Color Computer series also was amongst the first with stereo sound- The first PC, actually, with stereo sound. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bratina501@msn.com Mon Jan 26 17:04:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47997 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 01:04:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 01:04:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 01:04:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 01:03:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:03:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 744 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.143 Subject: Re: Anyone live near an AM Stereo Radio Disney? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > I've been trying for quite a while to get a good aircheck of an AM > Stereo Radio Disney's Top 30 Countdown (unscoped), but I can't get no > satisfaction, either with the signal quality Me nether I live just 65 miles north of Portland Oregon and I have been trying for a long time to get KDZR 1640, another AM stereo Radio Disney station since they switched. No adjacent channel interference to speak of since they are the only station in the expanded band where I live. I went to rather extreme legnths to get the Portland station. I have a short clip of KDZR 1640 on my machine but there is some noise and it is not of the Top 30 Countdown. From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Jan 26 17:33:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48507 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 01:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 01:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 01:33:10 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0R1V94x005380 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:31:09 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0R1VAHT023229 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:31:10 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0R1V9v7023224 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:31:09 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:31:09 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDA94@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:31:05 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: mac vs. pc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 The Mediavision Pro Audio Spectrum 16+ came out around the same time as the SB Pro and absolutely blitzed it. (I was fortunate enough to own one) First consumer card to have 44khz 16-bit sampling! I believe the SB Pro had max sampling rate of 22khz 16-bit From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Jan 26 17:59:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14290 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 01:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 01:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 01:59:10 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040127013109.LBEY11788.fed1mtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:31:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:31:08 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7B86CE4F-5068-11D8-9F40-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.123 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I finally get on the air, I will try MegaSeg. I am contemplating the Alfredo Lite kit. On Monday, January 26, 2004, at 04:14 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > There is free and pay software > for the Mac-oriented DJ and radio enthusiast, including "cart" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 18:18:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25562 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 02:18:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 02:18:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 02:18:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 02:18:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 02:18:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1032 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.113 Subject: Re: Anyone live near an AM Stereo Radio Disney? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > I've been trying for quite a while to get a good aircheck of an AM > > Stereo Radio Disney's Top 30 Countdown (unscoped), but I can't get > no > > satisfaction, either with the signal quality > > > Me nether I live just 65 miles north of Portland Oregon and I have > been trying for a long time to get KDZR 1640, another AM stereo Radio > Disney station since they switched. No adjacent channel interference > to speak of since they are the only station in the expanded band > where I live. I went to rather extreme legnths to get the Portland > station. I have a short clip of KDZR 1640 on my machine but there is > some noise and it is not of the Top 30 Countdown. Some of us are used to AM stereo under weak-signal/DX conditions, and I, for one, would like to hear it. :) There really is nothing like DXing AM stereo. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 18:49:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97943 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 02:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 02:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 02:49:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 02:49:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 02:49:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 523 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.102 Subject: Re: Anyone live near an AM Stereo Radio Disney? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 My Radio Disney affiliate here in Miami (WMYM 990) used Kahn POWERSide until some time ago (I'm pretty sure it was in the chain going back to the Spanish Easy Listening/WFBA days in 1997, because they sounded 'spacey' on my lone AMS radio back then, my SRF- 42)...Used to amuse myself every now and then on the SRF-A1 or the A100 by tuning them in and putting the radio on "B" mode...Not really Stereo of course, but when you've got nothing else in town in Stereo and that's the best you can do.............. --tony From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 19:05:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35175 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 03:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 03:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 03:05:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 03:04:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 03:04:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 757 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.113 Subject: Re: Anyone live near an AM Stereo Radio Disney? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > My Radio Disney affiliate here in Miami (WMYM 990) used Kahn > POWERSide until some time ago (I'm pretty sure it was in the chain > going back to the Spanish Easy Listening/WFBA days in 1997, because > they sounded 'spacey' on my lone AMS radio back then, my SRF- > 42)...Used to amuse myself every now and then on the SRF-A1 or the > A100 by tuning them in and putting the radio on "B" mode...Not really > Stereo of course, but when you've got nothing else in town in Stereo > and that's the best you can do.............. Reminds me, that I still need to get an ISB recording of CHU, the Canadian time station whose audio is in the upper sideband only. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bratina501@msn.com Mon Jan 26 19:31:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10669 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 03:31:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 03:31:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 03:31:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 03:31:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 03:31:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 496 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.143 Subject: Re: Anyone live near an AM Stereo Radio Disney? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > > wrote: > > Some of us are used to AM stereo under weak-signal/DX conditions, and > I, for one, would like to hear it. :) > > There really is nothing like DXing AM stereo. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ No problem, I will upload it to the FTP server. From bratina501@msn.com Mon Jan 26 19:48:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53390 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 03:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 03:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 03:48:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 03:48:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 03:48:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 187 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.143 Subject: AM stereo Radio Disney clip uploaded X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 I recorded a short clip of KDZR AM 1640 Portland a few weeks ago by patching a Sony SRF-42 directly into a laptop computer. the clip can be found at ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Jan 26 21:26:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77292 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 05:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 05:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 05:26:17 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040127052202.SEQD28419.fed1mtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 00:22:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:21:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.242 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: HD Radio Opinion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner > The new AM IBOC audio compression scheme is actually pretty good.=A0=20 > I've listened quite a bit with a new generation,=20 > vehicle-mounted,=A0Kenwood receiver.=A0 The only drawback (beside the=20 > obvious bandwidth issues) is the tendency of the receiver to "blend"=20 > back to analog while driving under overpasses.=A0 The difference is so=20 > dramatic that I think most consumers, while pleased with digital AM=20 > reception, will not forgive the band-limited analog signal.=A0 That came from a friend of mine. The blending issue may be a major=20 problem, and that really hasn't been mentioned much. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 22:00:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73446 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 06:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 06:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 06:00:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 05:59:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:59:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 423 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: HD Radio Opinion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 All I know about HD Radio is this: Aside from that one city in Iowa, I don't see radios anywhere else...Went to Circuit City, and Best Buy today, to the Auto Sound department of both stores, and asked "Do you have HD Radio-equipped radios?", and got the typical "Wha?" from the High School-aged salespeople--the same look I used to get in the 80s- early 90s when I would inquire about analog AM Stereo radios. --tony From rkhester@up-link.net Mon Jan 26 22:08:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94928 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 06:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 06:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 06:08:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 06:08:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:08:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 376 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 67.64.11.17 Subject: wsm 650 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 I have a question that may have been answered earlier. Wsm 650 in Nashville used to be am stereo. Has it gone "Iboc" now? They used to come in a lot better at night here in Ar. than they do now, is fact you used to could hear them several hours before the sun went down in the summer and up till about 9:00am in the morning. NO MORE. Just wondering. Richard w5rhs From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Jan 26 22:25:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96740 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 06:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 06:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 06:25:26 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040127062130.NCGP11223.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:21:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:21:26 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <096AD4C5-5091-11D8-9F40-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.125 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: All Digital Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I have a question. Let's assume (incorrectly) that every AM station in the US went IBOC tomorrow. Fulltime, with no analog signal. And numerous HD Radios were in the hands of consumers. Is the digital signal alone able to be received correctly over long distances, at night, when other signals interfere? Or would the AM band become essentially quiet at night because the HD receivers couldn't make out the correct signal from all the skywave interference (and again, I am supposing that analog radios are long gone)? Richard Wagoner From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Jan 26 22:49:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23525 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 06:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 06:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 06:49:17 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.208] (d176-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.208]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id i0R6mH559946 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:48:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:47:31 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1075184730.2957.96754.m10@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1064 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla What you need minimum for OS X is a G3 Mac 300 mHz with 256 MB and a 10 GB HD. OS X is powered by BSD Linux. It will not run on a PC. Its fast as hell even on a 300 mHz machine. Its almost totally crash proof. I haven't been able to do it yet but I sure have tried. I can say that it will run for over 100 days without turning off the machine and its awesome on the internet. I own Windows machines and started with the OS before DOS, CP/M and have always had Intel based machines. I didn't think I would like the Macs but when I got this one, I have loved it. Best machine I ever had. I want to buy a G5 machine to replace this one. Fastest home computer ever made. It will take some time for Intel/MS to match it. Kevin Mesa, Arizona > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:45:02 -0000 > From: "Dave" > Subject: Re: OT- Computer problem? > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: >> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > >> wrote: >>> ... or get a Mac ... >> >> Macs are good. OS X is excellent, actually. (It's a beauty!) > > What's the min spec to run OS X in pc terms / mac terms ? > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 22:56:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66897 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 06:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 06:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 06:56:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 06:55:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:55:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <096AD4C5-5091-11D8-9F40-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 923 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.12 Subject: Re: All Digital Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I have a question. Let's assume (incorrectly) that every AM station in > the US went IBOC tomorrow. Fulltime, with no analog signal. And > numerous HD Radios were in the hands of consumers. Is the digital > signal alone able to be received correctly over long distances, at > night, when other signals interfere? Or would the AM band become > essentially quiet at night because the HD receivers couldn't make out > the correct signal from all the skywave interference (and again, I am > supposing that analog radios are long gone)? There was supposed to be just such a report on the usefulness of IBOC at night by the NAB, but hasn't surfaced. All indications are IBOC wouldn't make heads or tails out of much of what it woulde receive- Either as muted audio, or as pure noise. It would be quite unlistenable. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 23:11:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40812 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 07:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 07:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 07:11:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 07:11:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:11:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1166 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.12 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1064 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kevin, Mesa, AZ" wrote: > > What you need minimum for OS X is a G3 Mac 300 mHz with 256 MB and a 10 GB I know of some running Panther (10.3 - I was given Jaguar- 10.2.3- as a gift) on a clamshell iBook like mine- 300MHz, 3.2GB (mine now has 80GB), at least 128MB RAM (I had 160, now 544), with just enough room for a few programs and workspace, and not much more. > HD. OS X is powered by BSD Linux. It will not run on a PC. Its fast as hell > even on a 300 mHz machine. Its almost totally crash proof. I haven't been > able to do it yet but I sure have tried. I can say that it will run for over > 100 days without turning off the machine and its awesome on the internet. It screams, paws down. It's what Windows SHOULD'VE been. OS X is also a vast improvement over older versions of MacOS- Alot more friendlier, and just that much more powerful, plus it's just beautiful- I have not seen a window drawing error yet in OS X. Icons are also scaleable, too. :) My friends have taken to calling me "Miss MacMousie". :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Macs and AM stereo- Black sheep together, and proud of it!) From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Jan 26 23:30:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96229 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 07:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 07:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 07:30:33 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040127073027.SDYI27510.fed1mtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 02:30:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:30:26 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.243 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: All Digital Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's what O thought. The NAB's Radio Board is pushing for niighttime=20 IBOC. On Monday, January 26, 2004, at 10:55 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > I have a question. Let's assume (incorrectly) that every AM station > in > > the US went IBOC tomorrow. Fulltime, with no analog signal. And > > numerous HD Radios were in the hands of consumers. Is the digital > > signal alone able to be received correctly over long distances, at > > night, when other signals interfere? Or would the AM band become > > essentially quiet at night because the HD receivers couldn't make > out > > the correct signal from all the skywave interference (and again, I > am > > supposing that analog radios are long gone)? > > There was supposed to be just such a report on the usefulness of IBOC > at night by the NAB, but hasn't surfaced. > > All indications are IBOC wouldn't make heads or tails out of much of > what it woulde receive- Either as muted audio, or as pure noise. > > It would be quite unlistenable. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 23:37:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69174 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 07:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 07:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 07:37:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 07:37:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:37:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 237 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.12 Subject: {AMSF} Re: All Digital Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > That's what O thought. The NAB's Radio Board is pushing for niighttime > IBOC. Gee, why am I not surprised? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Analog AM stereo forever!) From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jan 27 04:25:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83877 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 12:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 12:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 12:25:51 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.72.37076c10 (3972) for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:25:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <72.37076c10.2d47b2ba@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:25:30 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.5 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} wsm 650 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/27/04 1:10:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 rkhester@up-link.net writes: > I have a question that may have been answered earlier. Wsm 650 in=20 > Nashville used to be am stereo. Has it gone "Iboc" now? They used to=20 > come in a lot better at night here in Ar. than they do now, is fact=20 > you used to could hear them several hours before the sun went down in=20 > the summer and up till about 9:00am in the morning. NO MORE. Just=20 > wondering. Richard w5rhs=20=20=20 >=20 I know when they pulled the plug on the C-Quam operation,they were preparin= g=20 for IBOC operation. Whether or not they are sending the bits and bytes of o= nes=20 and zeros with accompanying hash interference is unknown to me.My dial does= nt=20 make it off of 560 that much...just enough to "see" what everyone else is u= p=20 to locally but that about it mostly....maybe some occassional DXing but so= =20 litle time for that anymore as too many other projects and irons are in the= fire=20 here Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mark_608@hotmail.com Tue Jan 27 04:46:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85850 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 12:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 12:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 12:46:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:46:30 -0800 Received: from 136.1.1.101 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:46:30 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:46:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2004 12:46:30.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[96610940:01C3E4D3] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.17.36 From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [136.1.1.101] Subject: RE: {AMSF} SR-940 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 I have all the manuals that came with the SR-940, and after looking in all the paperwork, nowhere does it say how to change the time... I have my SR-940 set up at home and it currently has the "E" on the screen as well...I have programmed the time in the past, but I don't remember how at the moment. Later today when I get home I will mess with it and see if I can figure out how I did it... Mark >From: "Douglas B." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} SR-940 >Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:11:41 -0000 > >I know that a few of you have Marantz SR-940's... my eBay unit didn't come >with a >user manual or remote... > >Right now, when it's turned off, there's an "E" displayed on the LED >screen. Can >someone e-mail me directions for manually programming the time onto that >screen? > >deepcoffee@yahoo.com > >Thanks in advance! >Douglas > _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jan 27 04:55:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77591 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 12:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 12:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 12:55:03 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.1a2.1f8e736d (3972) for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:52:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1a2.1f8e736d.2d47b8fc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:52:12 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.101 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} All Digital Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/27/04 1:28:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, rwagoner@cox.n= et=20 writes: > Is the digital=20 > signal alone able to be received correctly over long distances, at=20 > night, when other signals interfere?=20 My guess it would become FM like..the capture effect type of scenario would= =20 take effect here. The strongest of signals would be for the most part in th= e=20 clear,but regional and graveyard channels would more than likely become use= less=20 beyond the stations service area. "DX" on those channels would be rendered to sounding something like [silenc= e=20 silence silence]blip[silence silence] "And now the weather on windbag=20 radio,cold and sn--"[silence silence silence silence["buy one lemon car and= get=20 another free! Just mention this commerical! Come on down to Howards Lemon C= ar Sales=20 on the corner of Fruit Blvd and Vegetable Ave,downtown North Po---[ silence= =20 silence ]=20 And the pattern repeats itself.The periods of silence is from the receiver= =20 waiting to buffer and lock in on a clear digital stream.I wouldnt think the= =20 radio would lock in on 4 or 5 digital streams at once giving you what you w= ould=20 hear in analog now..I just dont beleive the radios are capable of that...ye= t. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jan 27 06:29:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52626 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 14:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 14:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 14:29:56 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:29:54 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c3e4e2$082462d0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:29:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} SR-940 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, and others I helped out Douglas already. Here's how you do it. Take the slider right underneath the digital display and slide it to the 3rd position. It will line up with the mark just to the right of 'clock set'. Now use the number buttons to punch in the time. The unit uses military time. if it's 7:30pm, then punch in 1-9-3-0. Now slide the slider back all the way to the left. You're done. Clock set. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sundquist To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:46 AM Subject: RE: {AMSF} SR-940 I have all the manuals that came with the SR-940, and after looking in all the paperwork, nowhere does it say how to change the time... I have my SR-940 set up at home and it currently has the "E" on the screen as well...I have programmed the time in the past, but I don't remember how at the moment. Later today when I get home I will mess with it and see if I can figure out how I did it... Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 12:12:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76761 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 17:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 17:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 17:58:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 17:57:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:57:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1a2.1f8e736d.2d47b8fc@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 918 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.12 Subject: Re: {AMSF} All Digital Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: =snip= > And the pattern repeats itself.The periods of silence is from the receiver > waiting to buffer and lock in on a clear digital stream.I wouldnt think the > radio would lock in on 4 or 5 digital streams at once giving you what you would > hear in analog now..I just dont beleive the radios are capable of that...yet. Don't forget the very high error rate with competing digital information, which would practically render it useless. The competing mishmash of bits and bytes would likely send so much gibberish that you would be lucky to get 10 miles' radius of useful coverage, even with a strong broadcast signal. In short, IBOC hurts everybody except the absolute strongest signals, and even then, they're severely limited, if IBOC is fully implemented. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (In the only industrialized country that regulates vocabulary.) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 12:21:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98963 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 17:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 17:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 17:10:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20040127171042.75395.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:10:42 PST Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:10:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.144 From: "John P." Subject: Why isn't WSM in stereo anymore? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Richard wrote: "Wsm 650 in Nashville used to be am stereo. Has it gone "Iboc" now? They used to come in a lot better at night here in Ar. than they do now, is fact you used to could hear them several hours before the sun went down in the summer and up till about 9:00am in the morning. NO MORE. Just wondering. Richard w5rhs" Richard - you are correct about WSM broadcasting in Stereo AM. They had a fabulous signal here to listen to the Grand Ole Opry in StereoAM on Saturday nights. In my useless opinion, the ONLY reason they are not in stereo AM is to help promote the fact that they are in stereo on Sirius satellite radio (with its crappy 56K bit rates). The sounded just as strong in stereo as they do in mono now. I wish that they'd run the backup transmitter every Saturday night! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 12:22:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6228 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 20:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 20:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11904.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.188) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 20:22:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20040127202208.33143.qmail@web11904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.75.227.85] by web11904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:22:08 PST Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:22:08 -0800 (PST) To: ABDX@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.188 From: "Tn S." Subject: I got XM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, I might get some heat from some of you on this list but I'll say it: I got XM today....Got the SkyFi receiver, boombox and car kit....After some initial problems getting a signal, I was up and running...Haven't had a great deal of time to play with it, but I like it so far...I'm quite fed up with local radio (lately all I've been listening to here in Miami is Christian radio, and seeing how there's no AM Stereo in this town there's really not much in it for me), so XM will be a welcome change. -tony --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jan 27 13:16:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26885 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 21:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 21:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 21:02:15 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.67]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:09:22 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c3e518$9b3dcbc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <001001c3e4e2$082462d0$5401010a@AM> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:00:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} SR-940 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Thanks Michael!- Now "my" SR940 works too. I never bothered trying to fix it, but it always annoyed me. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard To: Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} SR-940 > Mark, and others > I helped out Douglas already. Here's how you do it. Take the slider right underneath the digital display and slide it to the 3rd position. It will line up with the mark just to the right of 'clock set'. Now use the number buttons to punch in the time. The unit uses military time. if it's 7:30pm, then punch in 1-9-3-0. Now slide the slider back all the way to the left. You're done. Clock set. > > Michael n WYO From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jan 27 13:18:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51668 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 20:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 20:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 20:59:57 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.67]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:07:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c3e518$480ea140$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20040127202208.33143.qmail@web11904.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:58:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I got XM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Tony, Ya won't hear any static from me!- I think it's the best thing since sliced bread. I have had it for 2 years now, and have 2 receivers- One in the car, and one at home, as well as the boombox. Interesting to read in the last Newsweek, I think, about how "now" broadcasters are worrying. Too bad they never listened when we tried to tell them "It's the programming, stupid!" Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tn S. > > > OK, I might get some heat from some of you on this list but I'll say it: I got XM today.... From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 27 14:16:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32415 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 19:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 19:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (216.148.227.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 19:01:08 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040127182119014004rk7oe>; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:21:20 +0000 To: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:21:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c3e502$6398a7f0$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.148.227.85 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: 1350 WINY weak, but Stereo aircheck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn I've been getting a decent signal from 1350 WINY in Putnam, CT today. Here's about 20 minutes of them scoped, with some music left in on each end. ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/1350 WINY Putnam, CT (2004.01.27 12.40p).mp3 Enjoy Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 15:50:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32830 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 23:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 23:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 23:09:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 23:08:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:08:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1535 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} All Digital Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key What I would like to see in a digital broadcast system (DIE, IBOC!!!) would be maybe certain codes that the stations transmit as subcarriers - when you tune in a frequency, you can select various codes (something like what FRS radios do) to be able to select one out of many stations on the same frequency. If that would be possible... Oh, and definitely compatibility with C-Quam, Kahn, or whatever analog stereo transmission system gives the best possible quality under the most conditions. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > =snip= > > > And the pattern repeats itself.The periods of silence is from the > receiver > > waiting to buffer and lock in on a clear digital stream.I wouldnt > think the > > radio would lock in on 4 or 5 digital streams at once giving you > what you would > > hear in analog now..I just dont beleive the radios are capable of > that...yet. > > Don't forget the very high error rate with competing digital > information, which would practically render it useless. The competing > mishmash of bits and bytes would likely send so much gibberish that > you would be lucky to get 10 miles' radius of useful coverage, even > with a strong broadcast signal. > > In short, IBOC hurts everybody except the absolute strongest signals, > and even then, they're severely limited, if IBOC is fully implemented. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (In the only industrialized country that regulates vocabulary.) From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 17:26:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85555 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 23:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 23:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 23:22:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 23:22:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:22:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c3e502$6398a7f0$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 713 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: 1350 WINY weak, but Stereo aircheck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Lehmann" wrote: > I've been getting a decent signal from 1350 WINY in Putnam, CT today. > Here's about 20 minutes of them scoped, with some music left in on each > end. > > ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/1350 WINY Putnam, CT (2004.01.27 > 12.40p).mp3 > > Enjoy > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA Where are you in relation to them? http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WINY_AM_LD.gif http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WINY_AM_LN.gif I've listened to much weaker AM Stereo stations than that one. :) Oh, what's the signal normally like? Is it still audible under normal conditions? It seems that you implied the signal is better than normal today, right? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 18:12:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66677 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 01:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 01:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 01:12:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20040128011204.96472.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:12:04 PST Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:12:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: WSM Replies to why they turned-off their stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "The stereo equipment was removed years ago as it was not effective and frankly interfered with WSM's huge signal. Sometimes when you improve one way you sacrifice another. There were not many people listening to us in stereo and the upkeep was not worth it financially. The line from the website you quote is a historical fact and not meant to assume that we are still in that mode. You can get WSM on line in stereo 24 hours a day. Thanks for listening." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Jan 27 18:42:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27244 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 02:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 02:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.194) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 02:42:15 -0000 Received: from storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 7A85C116DB; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:42:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id SAA16246; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:42:13 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAoImeMznBGp1KDjwuLhh5q0x6vT4CFQCvAiG67UjYM0yGXC1nlVINGwR2vQ== Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:42:13 -0600 (CST) To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <28948-40172185-5438@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Tony Simon 's message of Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:44:58 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.194 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: RE: [ ABDX ] I got XM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Gee, I thought the FM modulator kit is the hard one to install. The antenna usually mounts next to the trunk lid lip on the average sedan or coupe, other antennas are made for custom applications by several manufacturers. The FM Modulated kit requires removing the broadcast radio from the dash, easy on most Fords with the spring clips, Chryslers usually have TWO bolts holding the radio, G.M. it just varies ---- same with other makes. The FM Mod kit would be used with an AM/FM only radio ( no cassette) OR the typical AM/FM CD radio. If you have a rare CD stereo with RCA inputs, you could get around needing the modulator, just a mini-plug to dual (stereo) RCA cable. The modulator lets you select a clear FM frequency for your area, and just set a station preset to that channel 87.9, 88.1,, 88.5 etc... low end of the FM band. The Xm Roady and Terk Commander are other new XM products. I haven't heard anything about a price increase, so far, BUT all the music channels are going commercial free starting Feb 1st, the News and Talk channels will likely still have commercials. I sometimes compare ABC news & talk CH XM124 against the local AM (KKAR) on 1290 during the "Sean Hannity Program". No annoying computer harmonics!!! And I am 4 miles from the 1290 towers. The audio has about a 10 second difference. Probally the digital encoding. Bill S. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 19:22:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86617 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 01:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 01:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 01:09:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20040128010946.91380.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:09:46 PST Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:09:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.151 From: "John P." Subject: ClearChannel FINED X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From AP: "WASHINGTON - The government proposed a $755,000 fine against Clear Channel Communications on Tuesday" Too bad the fine wasn't for turning-off Stereo AM at stations, but for its continued vulgar broadcasts of the American airwaves during prime hours. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jan 27 19:31:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49615 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 03:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 03:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.117) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 03:31:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:30:22 -0800 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav13.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 03:30:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: <20040128010946.91380.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:30:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2004 03:30:22.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FCE47E0:01C3E54F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.117 From: "Robert" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: Re: {AMSF} ClearChannel FINED X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Want to see things really turn around in radio? Start yanking licenses starting with Clear Channel. Clear Channel should have been yanked a long time ago. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 27 19:46:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49909 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 01:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 01:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.198.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 01:40:14 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040128013749013008lin0e>; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 01:37:50 +0000 To: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:37:55 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c3e53f$5f717fc0$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.198.35 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: 1350 WINY weak, but Stereo aircheck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn I=92m about 4 miles east of Brockton, MA, which is just east of the blue contour on that map. Normally, I can just barely hear the station in the noise. I did slightly move my long wire antenna outside a few days ago, so it might have enhanced the signal that I get from them. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: pianoplayer88key [mailto:pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 6:22 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: 1350 WINY weak, but Stereo aircheck --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Lehmann" wrote: > I've been getting a decent signal from 1350 WINY in Putnam, CT today. > Here's about 20 minutes of them scoped, with some music left in on each > end. >=20 > ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/1350 WINY Putnam, CT (2004.01.27 > 12.40p).mp3 >=20 > Enjoy >=20 > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA Where are you in relation to them? http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WINY_AM_LD.gif http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WINY_AM_LN.gif I've listened to much weaker AM Stereo stations than that one. :)=A0 Oh, what's the signal normally like?=A0 Is it still audible under normal conditions?=A0 It seems that you implied the signal is better than normal today, right? 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Terms of Service.=20 From mark_608@hotmail.com Tue Jan 27 19:48:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71536 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 03:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 03:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 03:48:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:47:56 -0800 Received: from 68.43.171.59 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 03:47:56 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:47:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2004 03:47:56.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[84107A90:01C3E551] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.17.70 From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [68.43.171.59] Subject: RE: {AMSF} I got XM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Tony, I'll take some of the flames with ya, if there are any... I have had XM for about 2 months. Bottom line? I love it. XM is what "free" radio can and should be. The variety is incredible. Sure, the huge drawback is that you have to pay to get it, but as a result, listeners are treated as CUSTOMERS rather than an afterthought. When you email in a request you get a quick response and not only do you get your request played, you are told WHEN it will be played. These days, most regular terrestrial radio station don't even want to answer the phone... I agree with Kevin T; the audio compression can be fatiguing to listen to after awhile. Much of the time it sounds really good, but at times you can hear lots of artifacts. It has not bothered me too much all-in-all, though. Reception-wise, I have no problems here in the Detroit area. Every once in awhile going under a bridge the signal will drop for an instant with a soft "pfff", but it is pretty rare. I have been told that it is not quite as good in areas that don't have as many terrestrial repeaters. I can't ever see XM or Sirius replacing AM or FM, and it surely won't for me. I still listen to CFCO in glorius AM stereo when I have an AM stereo radio handy(currently I need to figure out how to convert this Delco to get it back in my winter car), but I find that I spend a great deal of time listening to XM. XM doesn't really lend itself to portable use, and every radio you want to activate generates another monthly charge($6.99 instead of $9.99 up to 3 additional radios if you opt for the family plan). On the plus side, all the music channels are going 100% commercial free as of February first. I think the public's growing acceptance of satellite radio after a slow start(Sirius is still struggling) really shows how fed up people are with the crap companies like Clear Channel are fillng the airwaves with(yes, I know CCC has invested in satellite radio). People are willing to actually PAY to listen to something worthwhile even if there are compression artifacts and extra antennas to add to your vehicle..a real compelling agument that content just might be important...I mean, how many crappy ESPN radio outlets do we really need? I get a kick out of reading posts a big XM "rah rah" site: www.xmfan.com I see echos of many of the posts to this list. People are tired of the garbage on radio today. XM is not about being digital for the sake of digital(IBOC, anyone?), it is about variety and choice! Sorry for rambling on about this..I don't often make big long posts here and I have been thinking about this for awhile... Mark Sterling Heights,MI >From: "Tn S." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: ABDX@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} I got XM >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:22:08 -0800 (PST) > > > >OK, I might get some heat from some of you on this list but I'll say it: I >got XM today....Got the SkyFi receiver, boombox and car kit....After some >initial problems getting a signal, I was up and running...Haven't had a >great deal of time to play with it, but I like it so far...I'm quite fed up >with local radio (lately all I've been listening to here in Miami is >Christian radio, and seeing how there's no AM Stereo in this town there's >really not much in it for me), so XM will be a welcome change. > >-tony > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Jan 27 20:20:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94539 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 01:06:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 01:06:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.194) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 01:06:08 -0000 Received: from storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 4671510585; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id RAA11755; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:06:08 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAqJkOVTcPwwwV19QU0FQiXjVH3u4CFBT2kj2t7O3h56cs4k/lBevKDOr7 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:06:07 -0600 (CST) To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <28957-40170AFF-725@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Tony Simon 's message of Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:22:08 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.194 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ ABDX ] I got XM ---> XM Vs. AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony, Welcome to the XM family. I haven't personally bought an XM setup, but I / we sell XM at the electronics store I work at. We are a sub-distributor for the states of NE, IA, SD, ND, MN, some of WI, TX, & LA. We have a Sky-Fi Delphi SA10000 unit set-up with the boom box option as a showroom demo. I personally think it sounds real good, and sells well. XM has appox 100 channels with every kind of niche format imaginable, you even find programming that few commercial stations run, anymore. We did put an extension antenna on the roof, as the concrete and steel makes indoor reception difficult in a commercial building. The TEST Last week, I bought in my cassette tape deck and recorded some of the XM programming to compare with similar broadcast recordings. I like the 60 & 70's channels XM 6 & XM 7 The Watercolors channel XM71 and the Sunny Channel XM24. (Beautiful Music ) I recorded quite a bit off the Sunny XM 24 channel. I compared the XM recording of a instrumental version of "evergreen" Vs. the same recording of "evergreen" recorded in C-Quam AM Stereo off of the once mighty 1110 KFAB-AM 50,000 watts of stereo back in it's musical days. I use a Sony SRF-A100 receiver. KFAB at the time ( the sample recording was made) ran "elevator music" in the overnight hours up to 1990, In Stereo!! In my opinion, KFAB had the best sounding stereo AM in town, although WOW & KOIL-AM also had stereo at the time. Some of the older music on "serenade" came from the "old" KFAB-FM (1959 to 1975) and was always stereo recording(s) to start with. KFAB ran "serenade" for years on the AM in mono when they still used the old RCA "Ampliphase", and switched to Stereo in 1984 with a Contintial transmitter as the main. They ran both KFAB & KGOR ( rock format) off the automation common of the day at night, with NBC News at TOH. Well, I compared the two recordings, the verdict; XM sounds great but has a more Mello sound to it, The AM/ST recording had higher response on the higher frequencies., ( this was before the current 10Kz filtering requirements came into being --- Pre 1990 ) I am still looking for a selection that makes a good comparison VS. a known FM recording The Sunny channel has a beautiful music format much like the old KFAB, KESY-FM , KOIL-FM.... etc... ( try to find a B/M formatted station, nowdays!!!) KFAB went to News/ Talk in 90' and dropped the stereo pilot around 2001, with a newer state of the art?? mono transmitter. BTW - I DXed KFAB at Grand Canyon, AZ in stereo many years ago, but reception in Phoenix seemed poor at the time. So they do have a killer signal at night. You haven't lived without hearing AM Stereo on a 50,000 watts well enginnered flamethower, Vs. some 100 watt graveyarders that most of the surviving AM stereo stations have for a signal. It really puts FM Stereo to shame... Practically every major 50Kw station now runs talk in glorious MONO. Very, very few 50kw's with any sort of music on them....Sad. Bill S. Omaha, NE Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Jan 27 21:32:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59249 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 04:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 04:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 04:49:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2004 04:48:16 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81236 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 04:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 04:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 04:33:31 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.d6.21ad638 (4426) for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:30:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:30:01 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.4 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio Opinion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Jan 2004 04:48:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 Whoever it was must have ordered it directly from the manufacturer. I wouldn't want to sell IBOC receivers in the first place; there's no market for them, and the prices will be sky-high and stay there (in other words, IBOC receiver prices will not come down). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 21:32:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63040 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 04:14:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 04:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 04:14:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2004 04:12:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 04:11:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1576 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.131 Subject: Sony ST-JX220A tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Thanks to eBay I am now the owner of a Sony ST-JX220A multi-system AM Stereo tuner. Although never officially sold in the USA, it was one of their more popular AM Stereo tuners around the world; my example came from Canada. It is the brown-case version (I've seen others with a champagne-color case), with ICs dated late 1984 through early 1985. The AM Stereo section is on its own separate circuit board, which can be easily disconnected and removed for service or inspection. It uses a 10 kHz ceramic filter in wideband mode, just like my STR-AV470 receiver. Interestingly, with a dead backup battery, it defaults to 9 kHz AM channel spacing upon power-up, unless I use the trick of holding down the "+" tuning button while switching it on, which enables 10 kHz channel spacing. It also has no "wrap-around"; if you're at 530 kHz and want to flip to 1610 kHz, you are forced to s-l-o-w-l-y scan all the way up the band, unless of course you have the intended frequency assigned to one of the presets. Does anybody have a copy of the service manual for the ST-JX220A, or even any similar model that would share most of the same circuitry? I have dreams of installing the Longwave tuner section and FM antenna A/B switch, two features which are missing from this model, but have empty circuit traces, indicating that other models in the same series did have these features installed. For example, the fancier ST-JX520A did have the FM antenna switch, and I've seen similar non-AM Stereo models with the same chassis which are tri-band LW/MW/FM. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 00:25:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86294 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 08:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 08:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12822.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.203) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 08:25:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20040128082515.67490.qmail@web12822.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.95.131] by web12822.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:25:15 PST Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:25:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforumeurope@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.174.203 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Sony ST-JX220A bandwidth modification X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics In fiddling around with my Sony ST-JX220A multi-system AM Stereo tuner, I have discovered a modification that is amazing in both its simplicity and its effectiveness. One of the limitations of this tuner is its choice of bandwidths; "Wide" bandwidth mode is extremely wide -- often _too_ wide to be useable whenever adjacent- or second-adjacent-channel signals exist. And on the other hand, "Normal" bandwidth mode has great selectivity for DXing, but is too narrow for enjoyable sound quality. The secret lies in the way the ST-JX220A controls its bandwidth. Next to its LA1247 AM tuner chip, you'll find a white wire with a blue tracer, leading to the separate AM Stereo circuit board. A quick check with a VOM reveals that the voltage on this wire is about 0.5 VDC in Wide bandwidth mode, and about 15.6 VDC in Normal bandwidth mode. But what Sony didn't take advantage of is that fact that any voltage between these two extremes will give you a corresponding intermediate bandwidth. So, the trick is to clip this wire and insert in series with it a 150 Kohm potentiometer (variable resistor). Bingo! You now have a *continuously variable* bandwidth control. With that variable resistance, can now simply *dial in* exactly what bandwidth you want -- wide, medium, narrow, or anywhere in between! This will be available to you whenever the tuner is switched into the "Normal" AM IF mode; "Wide" mode will still give you maximum bandwidth with no regard to where the variable control is set. The only real catch is finding a place to mount this new variable bandwidth control; there is limited space available on the front panel, although it looks like you could mount a small potentiometer on the *side* of the plastic front panel, next to the five preset buttons. Note that this modification may be applicable to other Sony AM Stereo tuner models as well; I've noticed that my STR-AV470 uses a similar circuit design with the same blue and black Murata ceramic filters as the ST-JX220A, so with a little experimentation you may be able to apply this modification to any one in the series of Sony multi-system AM Stereo home tuners from the 1980s. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 09:02:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41756 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 17:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 17:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 17:02:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20040128170231.16902.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.232.195.134] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:02:31 PST Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:02:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: mac vs. pc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW > And I have an Amiga A500, built 1988, and yes, it > had stereo. :) > Excellent machines, they were. :) I have an Amiga 2500, and the "say" function is DecTalk, which is what the older Mr.Roboto the NWS uses is. I have made some interesting "forecasts" with it.....the Mac has a verrry similar voice. I did parody forecasts worded like the Storm Prediction Center... Powell ( Methane Prediction Center ) ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dougharding@mindspring.com Wed Jan 28 09:20:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21109 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 16:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 16:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 16:06:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2004 16:05:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:05:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c3e518$480ea140$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 438 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Re: {AMSF} I got XM too! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Tony, Welcome to the XM family. I added XM last summer. I have a Pioneer receiver in the car and a SONY and Delphi at home. I love it! Miami local radio is CRAP! The only local station I listen to is WDGH AM Stereo 910khz. (Which I own and operate with 10mw of tower power!) covering two blocks in Coral Gables with beautiful AM stereo! > > OK, I might get some heat from some of you on this list but I'll say it: I > got XM today.... From stodd@vippn.com Wed Jan 28 10:57:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80739 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 18:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 18:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 18:56:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2004 18:54:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:54:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 888 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: the new AM IBOC isn't so hot either X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude From a recent broadcast.net radiotech forum posting: Speaking of AM HD, I too was very disappointed at what I heard last week on a Kenwood radio here. It still had the very tell- tale 'flanging' type codec artifact that I thought had been dealt with by the new Coding Technologies codec. The CE of the AM station was also in the car and told us he was indeed using the new codec in his BE xmtr. The radio had the new codec in it. I had heard encoded demo files of the new codec and was very impressed, but this 'real world' demo really stuck the pin in the balloon for me. Anyone else running the new AM codec out there who can please tell me something must have been wrong here somewhere? I sure hope so. g Greg Strickland wrote: > ...BTW, I heard AM HD Radio in operation recently on a car radio. The station > engineer said "It sounds like a good quality webcast"... From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jan 28 11:23:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49567 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 19:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 19:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 19:23:54 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:23:42 -0700 To: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:22:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Another one gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Gents....I got an email today from a guy that works for KIML in Gillette, Wyoming. I knew that KIML was one of the pioneer AM Stereo stations in Wyoming and were proud of it for many years. I confirmed they were still stereo about 3 years ago when I was in that area of Wyoming. But I didn't know if they still were. Well, they're all talk now. And the guy informed me that they pulled the stereo out for 2 reasons....one..stereo is not really needed with talk radio. And 2...splitting the AM signal for the stereo information diminishes the overall coverage for the signal. So I don't know if it was posted anywhere or a part of our AM Stereo Station listing on the web site, but if it is, take it off. KIML Gillette, Wyoming is no longer stereo. I believe it was Kit that had asked about KIML a while back. I asked the guy about the stereo equipment and he gave me the engineer's email address. So I've emailed him and we'll see what he says and what kind of price they'd like and if they'd like to part with it. Will keep all posted Michael n WYO From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 11:42:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42400 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 18:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 18:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 18:16:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20040128181628.81874.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:16:28 PST Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:16:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: How to Destroy the AM Band after Dark: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "--NAB Radio Board Endorses Nighttime AM IBOC Operation The NAB Radio Board placed a final piece in the IBOC puzzle by voting to endorse interim AM IBOC nighttime operation at a January 20 meeting" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 12:18:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79890 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 20:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 20:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 20:18:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2004 20:16:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:16:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 826 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.206 Subject: Re: Another one gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: =snip= > really needed with talk radio. And 2...splitting the AM signal for the > stereo information diminishes the overall coverage for the signal. =sigh= This is the same crap often cited, and we all know it doesn't, really. It just doesn't work like FM stereo, where the subcarriers DO pose a power distribution problem. And MJR, good luck on getting that station's stereo equipment! I hope that it can be offered to a station that DOES want to use it, instead of just gathering dust on a shelf somewhere. That's something that gets me about many of these stations that quit C-QUAM: their refusal to actually PART with the unwanted stereo equipment, when there are others who sorely want the equipment. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 12:24:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16015 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 20:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 20:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 20:24:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2004 20:22:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:22:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040128181628.81874.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 720 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.206 Subject: Re: How to Destroy the AM Band after Dark: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > "--NAB Radio Board Endorses Nighttime AM IBOC Operation > The NAB Radio Board placed a final piece in the IBOC puzzle by voting to > endorse interim AM IBOC nighttime operation at a January 20 meeting" Proof positive that they don't really care about the broadcast bands- Just for the money that gets passed around between them for the favors. They don't really care so much about the consumer's money, or even shareholders, really, but rather whatever money each is willing to give to the other for their pet projects, without consideration for anyone else outside their circle. The Industry is SOOOO corrupted! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Jan 28 13:32:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83903 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 21:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 21:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 21:32:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2004 21:31:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:31:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 325 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.24.49 Subject: Re: Sony ST-JX220A tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Thanks to eBay I am now the owner of a Sony ST-JX220A multi-system > AM Stereo tuner. I would be interested to hear some US AMS samples on this tuner. Was'nt the extra wide bandwidth setting for Australia which allow 18khz b/w for stations ? From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jan 28 13:46:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67338 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 21:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 21:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 21:46:06 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.37.202]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:52:28 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c3e5e7$c8732020$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20040128170231.16902.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:43:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: lost emails X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 To anyone that wrote me during the past 2 months- I fixed my computer which was so choked with worms and viruses that it took the new anti virus software 2 and a half hours to scan the 20, 000 files on this computer. As a result, all old email was lost, but at least I now have new and up-to-date anti virus program. If you have written me and not gotten a reply, please write back. Thanks, Chris From g7ltt@g7ltt.com Wed Jan 28 14:13:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: g7ltt@g7ltt.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56204 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 22:13:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 22:13:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net) (167.206.5.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 22:13:43 -0000 Received: from g7ltt (ool-44c4857d.dyn.optonline.net [68.196.133.125]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with SMTP id <0HS8001Q80DZAZ@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:13:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:13:11 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <001001c3e5eb$eb05ffa0$64c9a8c0@g7ltt> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 167.206.5.70 From: Mark Phillips Subject: Re: {AMSF} All Digital Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10386607 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc2eni This has already been done in DRM. DRM is operating on short and medium wave in Europe and is on shortwave here in the States. It has the ability to carry up to 4 different programes at the same time. Having said that it isn't being done by any of the broadcasters except for the odd experiment in the small hours. It can also do a mix of "data" (web pages, new software etc) and audio. No big deal really; its all data to begin with. I do find it interesting that IBOC recently switched their codec to the same one used by DRM. Anyone get anywhere with some IBOC interferance recordings? Mark Phillips G7LTT/KC2ENI Randolph NJ http://www.g7ltt.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 18:08 Subject: Re: {AMSF} All Digital Question > What I would like to see in a digital broadcast system (DIE, IBOC!!!) > would be maybe certain codes that the stations transmit as subcarriers > - when you tune in a frequency, you can select various codes > (something like what FRS radios do) to be able to select one out of > many stations on the same frequency. If that would be possible... > Oh, and definitely compatibility with C-Quam, Kahn, or whatever analog > stereo transmission system gives the best possible quality under the > most conditions. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > > > =snip= > > > > > And the pattern repeats itself.The periods of silence is from the > > receiver > > > waiting to buffer and lock in on a clear digital stream.I wouldnt > > think the > > > radio would lock in on 4 or 5 digital streams at once giving you > > what you would > > > hear in analog now..I just dont beleive the radios are capable of > > that...yet. > > > > Don't forget the very high error rate with competing digital > > information, which would practically render it useless. The competing > > mishmash of bits and bytes would likely send so much gibberish that > > you would be lucky to get 10 miles' radius of useful coverage, even > > with a strong broadcast signal. > > > > In short, IBOC hurts everybody except the absolute strongest signals, > > and even then, they're severely limited, if IBOC is fully implemented. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > (In the only industrialized country that regulates vocabulary.) > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Jan 28 15:27:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76114 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 23:27:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 23:27:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.125) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 23:27:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:27:21 -0800 Received: from 172.140.13.133 by bay7-dav21.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:27:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:23:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2004 23:27:21.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[4731AFE0:01C3E5F6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.125 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.140.13.133] Subject: Fw: {AMSF} All Digital Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 pianoplayer88key wrote: > What I would like to see in a digital broadcast system (DIE, IBOC!!!) would be maybe certain codes that the stations transmit as subcarriers - when you tune in a frequency, you can select various codes (something like what FRS radios do) to be able to select one out of many stations on the same frequency. If that would be possible... While it is a nice thought to be able to pick out the wanted station from the quagmire of signals, the system used on FRS wouldn't work. All the codes on FRS do is activate a tone controlled squelch. FRS radios on the same channel but different codes will interfere with each other when transmitting at the same time. > > Oh, and definitely compatibility with C-Quam, Kahn, or whatever analog stereo transmission system gives the best possible quality under the most conditions. I think they should legalize Kahn ISB. It is a better sounding system in all conditions but local daytime reception. Yea, I know Lenny pissed off a LOT people in the radio biz, but he has the best system. Kevin (Tampa, FL) From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Jan 28 15:28:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5804 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 23:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 23:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.113) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 23:28:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:28:08 -0800 Received: from 172.140.13.133 by bay7-dav9.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:28:08 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:24:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2004 23:28:08.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[6331CEF0:01C3E5F6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.113 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.140.13.133] Subject: Fw: AM 740 was: 1190 Dallas to change formats X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 M S wrote: > I caught a small news blurb that Toronto's CHWO 740 had to let staff go at the end of '03, citing revenue shortfalls. CHWO 740 is by far my favorite station. It was hard enough to catch in South Carolina, but there is no way to get it here in Tampa. That is a shame because Tampa radio absolutely SUCKS! I think I will end up getting XM. The only decent thing I have found on the dial is FM 101.5 "The point". At least they play '80s pop instead of offensive talk in the Morning. I sure miss going to sleep listening to the AM 740 All Night Jukebox...Perhaps they could put it up on XM. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Jan 28 16:18:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35446 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 00:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2004 00:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.114) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 00:18:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:17:54 -0800 Received: from 172.140.13.133 by bay7-dav10.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:17:54 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <28948-40172185-5438@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:14:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2004 00:17:54.0066 (UTC) FILETIME=[56B47720:01C3E5FD] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.114 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.140.13.133] Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: [ ABDX ] I got XM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 oldphones@webtv.net wrote: > Gee, I thought the FM modulator kit is the hard one to install. XM sells an FM modulator that plugs into the lighter and is the power supply for the XM receiver AND puts the audio on your choice of several FM frequencies. There is no need to break into the car's antenna line at all. Kevin From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Jan 28 19:09:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10015 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 03:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2004 03:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 03:09:26 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i0T39NuI049474 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:09:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003501c3e615$4c5fe300$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:09:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another one gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > "Michael J. Richard" > ....And the guy informed > me that they pulled the stereo out for 2 reasons....one..stereo is not > really needed with talk radio. And 2...splitting the AM signal for the > stereo information diminishes the overall coverage for the signal. As we have discussed here many times... there is no evidence to support the argument that an AM carrier with C-Quam stereo is less efficient or has a smaller contour than a carrier without AM stereo. Such is the case with FM (perhaps that is where that argument got started), but it is absolutely not true with AM Stereo. I can see the handwriting on the wall regarding AM Stereo and even though I am passionate about my love for AM Stereo, I am realistic and understand positions such as WGN's, but I can't stand it when I see/hear this argument. As long as they stick to the facts, I can understand their position (but I don't have to like it), but when it gets muddled up with statements like this it really makes me mad. I also received email today from the NAB stating their support for night-time IBOC broadcasting on the MW band. Yet one of the big supporters of the NAB and IBOC is Clear Channel (owner of WSAI 1530, which has been terrorizing our local 1520 kHz WKWH for the past year with sideband 'hash'), but I don't understand their support for IBOC since Clear Channel is a company that has the most to loose with IBOC. They own many of the more successful AM stations in America's Top 100 markets. They possess a large quantity of 50 kw flamethrowers such as WOAI, WLW, WSAI, WLAC, WHO, KFI, WRVA and a ton of others. Yet when IBOC is fully instituted on the AM band, they stand to loose the most as their coverage will be significantly reduced by co/adjacent channel interference. I can understand the NAB's lack of interest in European-type digital radio (on a new band)... They won't be guaranteed licensing and would probably have to bid on frequencies, but to support AM IBOC is suicide for most AM broadcasters. I guess they are looking at the short-term 'cause otherwise it just doesn't make sense to me. -Jim- From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jan 28 19:17:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12935 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 03:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2004 03:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 03:17:33 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0T3FM75021932 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:15:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <40187B36.3040708@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:17:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <003501c3e615$4c5fe300$6501a8c0@jimspc> In-Reply-To: <003501c3e615$4c5fe300$6501a8c0@jimspc> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another one gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I look at it this way If C-quam on the signal is going to reduce the Coverage. then why in the Hell would they want IBOC since that is also a Quam signal Then I must think that It too Must reduce the signal coverage... and Cause More interference to adjacent stations LOL... Jim Burgan wrote: >>"Michael J. Richard" >>....And the guy informed >>me that they pulled the stereo out for 2 reasons....one..stereo is not >>really needed with talk radio. And 2...splitting the AM signal for the >>stereo information diminishes the overall coverage for the signal. >> >> > >As we have discussed here many times... there is no evidence to support the >argument that an AM carrier with C-Quam stereo is less efficient or has a >smaller contour than a carrier without AM stereo. Such is the case with FM >(perhaps that is where that argument got started), but it is absolutely not >true with AM Stereo. >I can see the handwriting on the wall regarding AM Stereo and even though I >am passionate about my love for AM Stereo, I am realistic and understand >positions such as WGN's, but I can't stand it when I see/hear this argument. >As long as they stick to the facts, I can understand their position (but I >don't have to like it), but when it gets muddled up with statements like >this it really makes me mad. >I also received email today from the NAB stating their support for >night-time IBOC broadcasting on the MW band. >Yet one of the big supporters of the NAB and IBOC is Clear Channel (owner >of WSAI 1530, which has been terrorizing our local 1520 kHz WKWH for the >past year with sideband 'hash'), but I don't understand their support for >IBOC since Clear Channel is a company that has the most to loose with IBOC. >They own many of the more successful AM stations in America's Top 100 >markets. >They possess a large quantity of 50 kw flamethrowers such as WOAI, WLW, >WSAI, WLAC, WHO, KFI, WRVA and a ton of others. >Yet when IBOC is fully instituted on the AM band, they stand to loose the >most as their coverage will be significantly reduced by co/adjacent channel >interference. >I can understand the NAB's lack of interest in European-type digital radio >(on a new band)... They won't be guaranteed licensing and would probably >have to bid on frequencies, but to support AM IBOC is suicide for most AM >broadcasters. >I guess they are looking at the short-term 'cause otherwise it just doesn't >make sense to me. >-Jim- > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jan 28 20:55:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49357 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 04:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2004 04:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 04:55:34 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:33:04 -0700 To: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:53:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <40187B36.3040708@skyweb.net> Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Another one gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm with ya guys. I wrote back to him earlier today. He's the main on-air guy in the mornings and he's been with them for quite some time but he's not the engineer. So I didn't want to badger him too much. But I told him "I personally feel that argument about coverage is just a rumor. Since many stations in the Salt Lake City market dropped stereo, I certainly can't pick them up any better here in Evanston. Meanwhile I certainly did not note any DECREASE in coverage when I converted KMER in Kemmerer to stereo." Now, LOUDNESS...maybe. I guess you can't be as LOUD in stereo as you can in monaural......although I have cranked my modulation up to 125% and been the loudest station on the dial and still haven't had any distortion. But this I think was clearchannel's anti-stereo theory. Remember, they MUST have the loudest stations on the dial. And if they're stereo, they can't be loud. Kudos to engineers at KABL and WOKI for standing firm on their position with C-quam and insisting that it stay or they wouldn't. They risked their jobs for c-quam. They really must be as passionate about it as we are. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Neal Newman [mailto:groucho@skyweb.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:17 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another one gone I look at it this way If C-quam on the signal is going to reduce the Coverage. then why in the Hell would they want IBOC since that is also a Quam signal Then I must think that It too Must reduce the signal coverage... and Cause More interference to adjacent stations LOL... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 21:23:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48654 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 05:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2004 05:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 05:23:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2004 05:21:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 05:21:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003501c3e615$4c5fe300$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2523 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.206 Subject: Re: Another one gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SFLAG=OPENRELAY ; IPCR=g-w0,n0,g100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.247 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > "Michael J. Richard" > > ....And the guy informed > > me that they pulled the stereo out for 2 reasons....one..stereo is not > > really needed with talk radio. And 2...splitting the AM signal for the > > stereo information diminishes the overall coverage for the signal. > > As we have discussed here many times... there is no evidence to support the > argument that an AM carrier with C-Quam stereo is less efficient or has a > smaller contour than a carrier without AM stereo. Such is the case with FM > (perhaps that is where that argument got started), but it is absolutely not > true with AM Stereo. Quite correct- I seriously believe they believe this, since they're told by others, rather than getting themselves properly informed. (Reminds me of sex ed, but that's veering WAY off, here.) FM stereo and AM stereo work differently. > I can see the handwriting on the wall regarding AM Stereo and even though I > am passionate about my love for AM Stereo, I am realistic and understand > positions such as WGN's, but I can't stand it when I see/hear this argument. It drives me up a wall (or clock) when I hear it, because I think it's an intellectual cop-out- Much the same as the "non-=existance" of AMS radios in use. There may not be any retail/aftermarket AMS receivers, but cars are still installed with them for now, as they have for the last nearly 20 years. > As long as they stick to the facts, I can understand their position (but I > don't have to like it), but when it gets muddled up with statements like > this it really makes me mad. Agreed. If they would just say "we just really don't need AMS anymore, because our programming isn't in stereo", I can live with that- Alot of news/talk/sports isn't in stereo- It would be a waste. > I also received email today from the NAB stating their support for > night-time IBOC broadcasting on the MW band. =snip= > I guess they are looking at the short-term 'cause otherwise it just doesn't > make sense to me. Not even that, as I believe it's all about the money passed around for the sake of favors. They couldn't give a damn about IBOC or C- QUAM, except for how lucrative the contributors' money is. In politics, this is often called "soft money", and it's what buys the candidates. This kind of corruption is very much rampant not only in Washington, but in all big industries. We, the Consumers of the World, don't matter. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 21:25:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76600 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 05:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2004 05:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 05:25:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2004 05:24:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 05:24:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40187B36.3040708@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 654 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.206 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another one gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > I look at it this way > If C-quam on the signal is going to reduce the Coverage. then why in > the Hell would they want > IBOC since that is also a Quam signal Then I must think that It too > Must reduce the signal coverage... and Cause More interference to > adjacent stations LOL... Worse, too, considering the wider spread of energy across the bandwidth (the principle behind the loss of coverage in FM stereo, incidentally), the requirement for wide-Q antennas, and so forth. IBOC is just not a smart idea, from a practical point of view. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jan 28 23:41:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41526 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 07:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2004 07:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 07:41:46 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.1f0.18355e2d (4238) for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:39:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1f0.18355e2d.2d4a12bc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:39:40 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.103 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} All Digital Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/28/04 10:18:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, g7ltt@g7ltt.c= om=20 writes: > This has already been done in DRM. DRM is operating on short and medium=20 > wave > in Europe and is on shortwave here in the States. >=20 A station using DRM,can you hear the digital noise [hash on channel under=20 analog audio plus the hash noise either side of the station] like you can w= ith a=20 station broadcasting IBOC? I've never tuned to a station known to be using DRM. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jan 28 23:50:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27584 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 07:50:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2004 07:50:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 07:50:01 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.4b.395298dd (4238) for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:49:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4b.395298dd.2d4a150f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:49:35 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.97 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} the new AM IBOC isn't so hot either X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/28/04 4:34:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, stodd@vippn.co= m=20 writes: > From a recent broadcast.net radiotech forum posting: >=20 > Speaking of AM HD, I too was very disappointed at what I heard last=20 > week on a Kenwood radio here. It still had the very tell- > tale 'flanging' type codec artifact that I thought had been dealt=20 > with by the new Coding Technologies codec. The CE of the AM station=20 > was also in the car and told us he was indeed using the new codec in=20 > his BE xmtr. The radio had the new codec in it. I had heard encoded=20 > demo files of the new codec and was very impressed, but this 'real=20 > world' demo really stuck the pin in the balloon for me. Anyone else=20 > running the new AM codec out there who can please tell me something=20 > must have been wrong here somewhere? I sure hope so.=20 >=20 > g=20 >=20 > Greg Strickland wrote:=20 > >...BTW, I heard AM HD Radio in operation recently on a car radio.=20 > The station >engineer said "It sounds like a good quality=20 > webcast"...=20 >=20 Well with a sound like that....that isnt hitting on much at all.I cant stan= d=20 the flanging "metal rattling" type of sound you get with a low bit rate web= =20 stream.If this stuff is sounding like a good quality webcast,then I'll cont= inue=20 with the K.I.S.S. method of broadcasting...Keep It Simple Stupid. Analog=20 sounds better than a weak warbly sounding webcast type of noise any day. Listen to 90% of networks directly off of a Starguide satellite receiver an= d=20 you can hear all sorts of artifacts in them .....eeek! and a thought just=20 crossed my mind. Take a digital audio source filled with artifacts and send= it=20 through AnOTheR digital "transistion" and get artifacts on top of artifacts= ! Nope=20 sorry not my idea of excellent arm chair copy radio listening. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jan 29 00:29:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11419 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 08:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2004 08:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 08:29:56 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.38]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 03:28:58 -0500 Message-ID: <001601c3e640$b2ebd040$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <28948-40172185-5438@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 03:20:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: [ ABDX ] I got XM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I use a wireless modulator with mine- works great. As well, I keep the antenna inside, on the dash- Never have drop out problems except going under a bridge. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 7:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: [ ABDX ] I got XM > oldphones@webtv.net wrote: > > Gee, I thought the FM modulator kit is the hard one to install. From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Jan 29 00:41:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70085 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 08:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2004 08:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 08:41:28 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.186.2490294a (4238) for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 03:35:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <186.2490294a.2d4a1fcc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 03:35:24 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.6 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another one gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/29/04 3:11:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, michaelj@vcn.c= om=20 writes: > Meanwhile I certainly did not note any > DECREASE in coverage when I converted KMER in Kemmerer to stereo." Now, > LOUDNESS...maybe. I guess you can't be as LOUD in stereo as you can in > monaural......although I have cranked my modulation up to 125% and been t= he > loudest station on the dial and still haven't had any distortion. Only on audio with the widest separation ever will it have any effect on th= e=20 loudness issue when everything is setup correctly.Otherwise if your banging= =20 the wall at 125% from a mono audio source,you shouldnt drop that much to be= even=20 noticeable ,maybe 2 to 4% drop at the most when a stereo source comes into= =20 the air chain. I run modulation levels at 124% [I like staying within the legal limit] wit= h=20 a mono audio feed from like a talk network,when a stereo source comes on,li= ke=20 a commerical or my "one hour music a thon" from Midnight to 1am ...total mo= no=20 modulation levels might drop to 120% with 100% modulation levels indicated = on=20 right channel audio with a wide stereo audio source. The human ear just can not hear the difference between 120% and 124%...nor= =20 does this effect coverage. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 01:12:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89411 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 09:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2004 09:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 09:12:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2004 09:12:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:12:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1f0.18355e2d.2d4a12bc@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 643 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.206 Subject: Re: {AMSF} All Digital Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > A station using DRM,can you hear the digital noise [hash on channel under > analog audio plus the hash noise either side of the station] like you can with a > station broadcasting IBOC? > I've never tuned to a station known to be using DRM. In hybrid mode, it's supposed to be a higher-than-normal background hiss under the signal, as the DRM data is transmitted in quadrature to the main analog audio- No "subcarriers" on either side. In DRM- only mode, it's just like the hash you would expect, except it's just on channel, not spreading out any further. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 10:26:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11393 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 18:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2004 18:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 18:26:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20040129182553.79546.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:25:53 PST Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:25:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001001c3e5eb$eb05ffa0$64c9a8c0@g7ltt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.89 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} All Digital Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Mark Phillips wrote: > This has already been done in DRM. DRM is operating > on short and medium wave > in Europe and is on shortwave here in the States. > I do find it interesting that IBOC recently switched > their codec to the same > one used by DRM. > > Anyone get anywhere with some IBOC interferance > recordings? > > Mark Phillips G7LTT/KC2ENI > Randolph NJ > http://www.g7ltt.com That IBOC is using the same codec as DRM is not correct, but a new one that is still proprietary, but SOMEWHAT similar, but not NEARLY as robust. The ORIGINAL plan was to use the IDENTICAL codec, but then, well, Lucent couldn't extort fees from the purchasers. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 10:32:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89774 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 18:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2004 18:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 18:32:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2004 18:31:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:31:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040129182553.79546.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 693 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.206 Subject: Re: {AMSF} All Digital Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Mark Phillips wrote: > > I do find it interesting that IBOC recently switched > > their codec to the same > > one used by DRM. > > That IBOC is using the same codec as DRM is not > correct, but a new one that is still proprietary, but > SOMEWHAT similar, but not NEARLY as robust. The > ORIGINAL plan was to use the IDENTICAL codec, but > then, well, Lucent couldn't extort fees from the > purchasers. Quite correct- DRM uses MP4/AAC from FhG, the inventors of the MP3 format. Both use the treble-reconstructing "SBR", but then, so does XM and Sirius, as well. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Jan 29 17:42:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83948 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 01:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 01:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 01:42:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2004 01:42:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:42:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 143 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.178 Subject: Magazine Articles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Three articles have been uploaded to ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads PE-Aug80-AM-Stereo.pdf PE-Dec78-AM-Stereo.pdf RE-Dec77-AM-Asereo.pdf JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Jan 29 18:37:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92420 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 02:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 02:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 02:37:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2004 02:35:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 02:35:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 431 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.242 Subject: Re: Magazine Articles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > Three articles have been uploaded to > > ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads > > PE-Aug80-AM-Stereo.pdf > PE-Dec78-AM-Stereo.pdf > RE-Dec77-AM-Asereo.pdf > > JSG Oops I misspelled the last one but this is how it is actually spelled as uploaded to the server. Michael J. when you move it to the literature folder could you rename it to RE-Dec77-AM-Stereo.pdf JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 19:47:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58613 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 03:47:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 03:47:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 03:47:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2004 03:47:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 03:47:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1447 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.1 Subject: Sony ST-JX220A auto-variable bandwidth mod X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Upon further tinkering with my Sony ST-JX220A multi-system AM Stereo tuner, I've discovered an extremely simple way to add *automatically variable* bandwidth control to it. The modification is as simple as adding two diodes and a piece of wire! With this mod, it will provide full hi-fi bandwidth on strong signals, but weak signals will automatically reduce the bandwidth for excellent selectivity. And the Wide/Normal bandwidth switch will still let you switch the tuner to a fixed narrow bandwidth, for the best DXing performance. And with the addition of a 100 kohm potentiometer wired as a variable resistor, the auto-variable bandwidth feature will work in both "Wide" and "Normal" modes -- except that "Normal" mode will be weighted towards a narrower bandwidth at all signal strengths, to provide better selectivity on weak signals and a less strident sound on strong signals. In this mode, you can use the variable resistor to adjust the behavior of this feature, allowing your choice of the maximum bandwidth that it opens up to, as well as the minimum bandwidth that it reduces to. I will upload an image to the Files section of this group which will show you exactly what modifications to make. If you own one of these ST-JX220A tuners -- or a similar Sony model -- and you have basic electronic skills, this modification will drastically improve the performance of your tuner, and should not be overlooked! From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Jan 29 19:49:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47126 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 03:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 03:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 03:49:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2004 03:49:45 -0000 Date: 30 Jan 2004 03:49:44 -0000 Message-ID: <1075434584.9952.91291.w33@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /radios/Jx220a.gif Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : This very simple modification lets you add automatically variable bandwidth control to your Sony ST-JX220A AM Stereo tuner. It may also be applicable to similar Sony tuners with some experimentation. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/Jx220a.gif To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jan 29 19:57:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29636 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 03:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 03:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 03:57:15 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:57:04 -0700 To: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:58:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Magazine Articles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Renamed and in the literature folder on the FTP site for your reading enjoyment. Also did a little housecleaning while I was in there. Douglas B's wonderful airchecks of KAAM in Dallas are in the tx folder under airchecks now. In the stereo versions and long versions I fixed some of the file names on the mp3's. Also, I need a little help. There are a few duplicates in there. Not sure which are the better ones (chuck berry for example). There's 2 or 3 copies of "sweet talkin guy" there, and also a couple of copies of "he's so fine"...I know one of those is NOT complete. There seems to be another small one or two in the stereo versions folder. Judging by the file size I'd guess they're incomplete. Let me know which ones I need to delete out of there so that it's a little less confusing. Hats off to everyone that posted. Great stuff in there, gang! Still anxiously awaiting that stereo version of King Harvest's "dancing" :) I know a few of ya said you could rip it for us from your station library(s). I checked our versions and they're the mono versions. So I can't help there. Thanks again....we've got a neat collection of rarities (and yes Narkspud....some fakes :) ) Michael Admin - ftp.amstereoradio.com -----Original Message----- From: jsgilst [mailto:jsgil@hal-pc.org] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:36 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Magazine Articles --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > Three articles have been uploaded to > > ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads > > PE-Aug80-AM-Stereo.pdf > PE-Dec78-AM-Stereo.pdf > RE-Dec77-AM-Asereo.pdf > > JSG Oops I misspelled the last one but this is how it is actually spelled as uploaded to the server. Michael J. when you move it to the literature folder could you rename it to RE-Dec77-AM-Stereo.pdf JSG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jan 29 20:00:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8087 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 04:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 04:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 04:00:47 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:58:59 -0700 To: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:00:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Magazine Articles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JS---since you're posting again....did you catch my post about AM Stereo in the Houston area? I'm curious if I missed anything by not having my wife take my Aiwa recording AM Stereo walkman with her when she was in the Houston area for the holidays. I could have had her get some airchecks for me if I thought there was something to aircheck. But I thought I remembered you saying that there's no AM Stereo in the Houston area at all. Am I correct? Just curious if I missed anything. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: jsgilst [mailto:jsgil@hal-pc.org] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:43 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Magazine Articles Three articles have been uploaded to ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Jan 29 20:42:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55141 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 04:42:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 04:42:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 04:42:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2004 04:39:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:39:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1866 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.212 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Magazine Articles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst You're are right. There are no AMS stations in Houston so you didn't miss anything. It is ashame since 790 KBME, owned by Clear Channel, has a C-QuAM exciter installed but has it turned off according to Bob Stroupe, one of their engineers at one time, I don't know if he is still there or not. This is a travasty since KBME's format is Big Band/Easy Listening and ther are no other stations in Houston that play this format full time. Turning it on definitely would not hurt their bottom line but only improve it. This is one of the reasons I have lost interest in AMS since there are no stations with strong enough signals in this area. 820 WBAP is the closest but is news/talk and signal is marginal at best. It is very rare that they play stereo material and that I can receive it good. I have been meaning to upload these articles for along time but only recently got my scanner to work so enjoy them. JSG --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > JS---since you're posting again....did you catch my post about AM Stereo in > the Houston area? I'm curious if I missed anything by not having my wife > take my Aiwa recording AM Stereo walkman with her when she was in the > Houston area for the holidays. I could have had her get some airchecks for > me if I thought there was something to aircheck. But I thought I remembered > you saying that there's no AM Stereo in the Houston area at all. Am I > correct? > Just curious if I missed anything. > > Michael n WYO > > -----Original Message----- > From: jsgilst [mailto:jsgil@h...] > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:43 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Magazine Articles > > > Three articles have been uploaded to > > ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 21:45:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60373 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 05:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 05:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 05:45:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20040130054510.46651.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:45:10 PST Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:45:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.146 From: "John P." Subject: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio A Harris employee wrote: " another cause of bad sounding AM HD over the air is the "core" vs. "enhanced" modes. We are seeing this at some stations. If the station has poor antenna bandwidth, or poor bandwidth in the modulator of the transmitter, IQM goes way up. The lower level secondary and tertiary digital carriers (5-10 khz and 0-5 kHz), can then get buried in intermod products, making error free recovery for enhanced mode difficult. In that case, the receiver falls back to "core" mode. It'll go to "core" mode before it goes to analog. So what you wind up with is "core" mode, which is a robust mode, but lacks high frequency content and separation. The "STEREO" indicator on the head unit displays of the Kenwood receiver is a very rough indicator of whether you are in core or enhanced mode." Comments: so in other words, since 95% of all AM's aren't perfect bandwidth antenae, and if the CE or PD or GM "cranks up the processing", "HD" radio will sound even worse, on top of hogging-up bandwidth?? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From eh@mad.scientist.com Fri Jan 30 09:59:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: eh@mad.scientist.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22505 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 17:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 17:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 17:59:06 -0000 Received: from sal (dsl092-093-222.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net[66.92.93.222]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004013017585501100dnr70e> (Authid: eirikur1); Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:58:55 +0000 Organization: Electric Brain To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:58:36 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401301258.37106.eh@mad.scientist.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.55 From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: mac vs. pc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61599074 X-Yahoo-Profile: eirikurh Think REALLY differently, run a "Free as in Freedom" operating system (Linux or *BSD for example) on your PowerMac or PC. Stop suffering from proprietary unfixable software. Get endless free support. Stop paying protection money to sociopaths. Sigh. Sorry. Eirikur From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 10:25:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51656 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 18:25:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 18:25:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 18:25:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2004 18:23:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:23:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200401301258.37106.eh@mad.scientist.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1416 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: {AMSF} Re: mac vs. pc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Eirikur Hallgrimsson wrote: > Think REALLY differently, run a "Free as in Freedom" > operating system (Linux or *BSD for example) on your > PowerMac or PC. > > Stop suffering from proprietary unfixable software. > Get endless free support. > Stop paying protection money to sociopaths. > > Sigh. Sorry. Well, OS X's core is BSD Unix, and unlike Microsoft, the OS's code is openly available. It has a Unix shell built into the system via the Terminal, as well as an X11 interface you can download for free. Java and C are included, and OS X comes with a Developer's Tools CD, instead of being something separate. Also, while OS X is not cheap to buy, like RedHat, it's still much cheaper than Windows- $130 instead of $300+. Apple does charge more for the hardware, though, but the standards for the hardware are rigid. I admit I'm not happy with how Apple is handling its customers lately, whether Macs, iPods, or general repair services, but I think OS X is the best thing Apple has going for it right now-- Unlike older versions of MacOS, OS X is NOT inherently proprietary; it is stable; and it supports UNIX/Linux code, making porting software easy. OS X on the Mac, much like AM stereo, seems to get little respect, except by those of us involved in either...or both. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Feeling headachy right now. Mousie not feel good. :( ) From krichards@wor710.com Fri Jan 30 10:28:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11004 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 18:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 18:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 18:28:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2004 18:26:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:26:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040130054510.46651.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3973 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.174.241 Subject: Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 What is the source of this data? What Harris employee? In the first place, the Core mode of the HD system has the same frequency response as the Enhanced mode, but there is no stereo or rolling data screen on the radio. We have the Kenwood radios here and have not had this problem. Secondly, the same rules that apply to HD also apply to C-Quam. If you have an array or common point that has high IQM, poor bandwidth or a Smith chart like the "Tilt a Whirl" at Coney Island, then you will have problems with HD and C-Quam. It is very unlikely that anyone who had such an antenna or array would attempt to install HD or C-Quam. It is also unlikely that they would spend the $15K plus to get the exciter with out correcting problems in the array first, because it simply would not work. On top of this, your comments are basically "hearsay" and more than likely out of context, no one at Harris would even sell someone an HD exciter with out making sure it would work first, because it would only amount to a return. We here at WOR are very friendly with Harris, and I find your comments to be of a very dubious nature. The audio processing for the HD signal is done in a separate audio processor, and can be set any way desired. Yes it can sould bad if set up that way...just like analog or C-Quam, so your comment on this issue is moot, and useless. By the way, here at WOR we have numerous traps and filters on our array to protect everyone else in the neighborhood, the input to the antenna has a very high Q, and a strict bandwidth, yet our HD signal is good way out and beyond our 5 millivolt contour. So I doubt the premise which you base your claims by this "Harris" employee. It would make more sense if you had installed an HD system, had a Kenwood radio, drove around and tested the system and then make your own comments and observations about how the system behaves in the real world. We have done exactly this at WOR and published the results in numerous trade magazines and journals. We have also participated in major HD engineering studies through out the last three years. We make our observations on this data, and not on any other claim. On top of all this, our Corporate Director of Engineering is on several HD commitees helping to form policy on HD radio before the FCC and Broadcasters. Like others here on this board, if you want to go ahead and trash HD Radio, who cares...but why trash Harris in the process? Keep in mind more and more stations are turning off C-Quam and putting in HD. Until nightime service for AM HD comes to pass, we should be pressing for dual use of both systems, HD by day and C-Quam at night since the Visteon HD radios already support this. This is the future of AM Stereo. Kerry Richards Chief Engineer WOR-AM New York City --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > A Harris employee wrote: > " another cause of bad sounding AM HD over the air is the "core" vs. "enhanced" > modes. We are seeing this at some stations. If the station has poor antenna > bandwidth, or poor bandwidth in the modulator of the transmitter, IQM goes way > up. The lower level secondary and tertiary digital carriers (5-10 khz and 0-5 > kHz), can then get buried in intermod products, making error free recovery for > enhanced mode difficult. In that case, the receiver falls back to "core" mode. > It'll go to "core" mode before it goes to analog. So what you wind up with is > "core" mode, which is a robust mode, but lacks high > frequency content and separation. The "STEREO" indicator on the head unit > displays of the Kenwood receiver is a very rough indicator of whether you > are in core or enhanced mode." > > Comments: so in other words, since 95% of all AM's aren't perfect bandwidth > antenae, and if the CE or PD or GM "cranks up the processing", "HD" radio will > sound even worse, on top of hogging-up bandwidth?? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 10:59:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91232 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 18:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 18:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 18:59:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2004 18:58:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:58:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1309 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Like others here on this board, if you want to go ahead and trash > HD Radio, who cares...but why trash Harris in the process? Kerry, these comments were by no means "trashing" anyone; they were simply a response to some of the problems that IBOC can encounter in real-world use. WOR may have had a perfect experience with IBOC, but that is not and will not be the case with all other stations. Also, analog AM Stereo will work with just about any kind of antenna system you throw at it. It might not sound all that great with a poorly tuned, narrow-bandwidth antenna, it will work nonetheless. This is not the case with IBOC or other digital systems, which will blend to "core" mode or fail completely once the block error rate at the receiver exceeds a certain threshold -- just as the Harris employee described. This is just like a telephone line. If there is background noise on the line, an analog voice call can still continue even with the impaired quality. However, a digital data connection on a noisy line will fail completely once its error-correction capability is exhausted. This is the same "cliff effect" which IBOC suffers from, necessitating a fall-back to analog mode to prevent the received signal from cutting out entirely, like XM/Sirius satellite radio does. From stodd@vippn.com Fri Jan 30 13:00:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43593 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 21:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 21:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 21:00:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2004 21:00:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:00:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 769 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: Another one gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > And MJR, good luck on getting that station's stereo equipment! I hope > that it can be offered to a station that DOES want to use it, instead > of just gathering dust on a shelf somewhere. > > That's something that gets me about many of these stations that quit > C-QUAM: their refusal to actually PART with the unwanted stereo > equipment, when there are others who sorely want the equipment. :( > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I believe there is a Motorola 1300/1310 pair still on the shelf at WJON in St. Cloud MN. I don't think they want a lot for it- maybe $300 for the pair. Wish I had the bucks myself at this point, but lots of stuff is coming due at once in Feb. Scott Todd From stodd@vippn.com Fri Jan 30 13:04:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45614 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 21:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 21:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 21:04:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2004 21:03:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:03:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 393 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: Fw: AM 740 was: 1190 Dallas to change formats X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > because Tampa radio absolutely SUCKS! I think I will end up getting XM. The > only decent thing I have found on the dial is FM 101.5 "The point". At least > they play '80s pop instead of offensive talk in the Morning. But you're state is pirate radio heaven. Nothing there to listen to? Scott Todd :) From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 13:31:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29193 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 21:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 21:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41214.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 21:31:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20040130213101.77503.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.27.24] by web41214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:31:01 PST Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:31:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.47 From: Michael and Ross Subject: LW on alfredo lites X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Atten Chris Can the alfredo lite work on a crystal for the Longwave AM band and will it go in AM Stereo? Michael Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jan 30 13:42:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98702 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 21:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 21:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 21:42:18 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.145]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:48:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c3e779$975fc180$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20040130213101.77503.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:39:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} LW on alfredo lites X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Yup, it will work on LW- but it involves changing some components in the RF circuits. I never bothered to experiment with LW as that band is so hard around electrical interference- dimmer switches, etc. I have the AL configured to be at it's best between 870 and 1710. chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Ross To: Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:31 PM Subject: {AMSF} LW on alfredo lites > Atten Chris > Can the alfredo lite work on a crystal for the Longwave AM band and will it go in AM Stereo? > > Michael From oscar@globility.com Fri Jan 30 14:52:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17933 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 22:52:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 22:52:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 22:52:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2004 22:52:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:52:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 260 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.226.38 Subject: Radio Tech IBOC talk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy If you do or don't already follow the radio-tech forum (radio- tech@broadcast.net) you might want to take a good look at today's earliest digest. There's some very interesting back and forth on certain aspects of IBOC's AM side. Verrry intu-resting ;-)) MS From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 16:54:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1013 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 00:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 00:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 00:54:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20040131005351.23743.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.218.100] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:53:51 PST Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:53:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Ford Ranger eats HD radio Budget X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I was going to get a Kenwood HD radio set up for the Ranger. However the Ranger had other ideas. I am heading on a trip out to NM for a couple weeks and $500 or so got some of the problems fixed except for the heater. It still had WIDE OPEN heat and Wide open air on max. Turned around and went back to the dealer. They came back and had a look like they had discovered that I needed a heart transplant. The door mechanism that controls the heat is bad, and the whole dash will need to come out, and it will cost almost $600 with the discount....and then as I headed home a check engine light came on again. Must be another bad sensor at 155,000 miles. GRRRR! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From krichards@wor710.com Fri Jan 30 17:01:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18320 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 01:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 01:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 01:01:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 01:00:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 01:00:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3883 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 So you are saying that C-Quam will work into any array??? That's Crazy......Because you know that's simply not the case, unless you consider 7 or 8 db of separation with a distortion on the high end, and maybe a bandwidth 4khz wide C-Quam. I do not think this is acceptable. C-Quam will not work well into any transmission system with narrow bandwidth, high IPM, high IQM, negative towers in the array, or lopsided bandpass. Why do you think the designers of the Motorola exciter made it so complete, and difficult to install? Because these are the problems that can occur and need corrected to get any C-Quam out of the array. Whether or not HD is any easier to do than C-Quam is not the point here, the requirements on the array to make the systems work are almost identical. Where you could get C-Quam out of the WOR Continental 317C, I doubt very much HD would work at all because of the IPM. But then who is installing 317's these days? The point I am trying to make is the same thing I've said here before, C-Quam is being turned off and HD is being turned on. It makes no difference what you and your friends think, or how glorious you think C-Quam sounds, and how many stations you can pull in at your home. Where in the FCC rules does it say AM broadcasters have to protect DXing...NO WHERE! Do you think the average AM station owner cares about this? Does it increase his bottom line? Of course not, only in rare instances. AM stations want some kind of parity with FM, and lets not forget all the other media out there most of it already digital. C-Quam cannot compete on this level because it is analog and inherently noisy, where HD has solved this problem. We have the studies, data, and listening experience to prove it, all you have is the same old rant against HD, with no data. This is not including the fact that each month more and more C-Quam exciters are being shut off. Why do you think this is happening? Facts are facts, more HD stations are coming on line, and some of them will be transmitting AM Stereo, via IBOC. You need to update your website, get an HD reciever and make serious evaluations. It is unfortunate that we do not yet have an AM Stereo HD station here yet (in NYC), but it is coming. No matter what you think, or how you feel. When you get to that point where you can seriously evaluate the HD signal from a radio in real world conditions, then you and some of the others here will have valuable HD data to share. The rest as I said before is moot, you have no radio, nor does our friend in Toledo, so how can you take what he says seriously? There are some big stations coming on line with the HD system shortly, a lot of them will be turning off the C-Quam, many of them will be FM Broadcasters as well. When we get to that point and the radios start proliferate in a few years what do you think will happen to C-Quam? Kerry............... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Like others here on this board, if you want to go ahead and trash > > HD Radio, who cares...but why trash Harris in the process? > > Kerry, these comments were by no means "trashing" anyone; they were > simply a response to some of the problems that IBOC can encounter in > real-world use. WOR may have had a perfect experience with IBOC, but > that is not and will not be the case with all other stations. > > Also, analog AM Stereo will work with just about any kind of antenna > system you throw at it. It might not sound all that great with a > poorly tuned, narrow-bandwidth antenna, it will work nonetheless. > This is not the case with IBOC or other digital systems, which will > blend to "core" mode or fail completely once the block error rate at > the receiver exceeds a certain threshold -- just as the Harris > employee described. > > From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Jan 30 17:48:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52045 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 01:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 01:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 01:48:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 01:47:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 01:47:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1821 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >Also, analog AM Stereo will work with just about any kind of antenna >system you throw at it. It might not sound all that great with a >poorly tuned, narrow-bandwidth antenna, it will work nonetheless. Define "work." Incidental carrier phase modulation will kill CQUAM, HD Radio or anything else using phase modulation. It is very critical to setup the transmitter for low VSWR into the antenna array, and minimal IPM, to achieve maximum AM CQUAM stereo separation in the receiver. Sure, you could probably hook up a CQUAM exciter to a transmitter that is poorly matched to it's antenna, and it'll sound like crap. Ever listen to the old WHAS stereo airchecks, the "SSS" sounds like a poorly tuned FM receiver. This is what IPM in your common point ground sounds like to the listener. You might get the stereo light to come on, but are you really providing a high quality service to the stereo listener. Bottom line, your array has to be flat across a wide spectrum in order for HD or CQUAM to work. I will say that HD has made huge improvements in the AM fidelity, listening to the WOR audio samples. There is an article in the latest Radio World about road testing HD Radio in Cleveland, Detroit, Washington and getting HD to the 2 mV/m contour. Also, he stumbled upon a test station in D.C. that was transmitting a full HD digital signal (no analog) and said, "MA3 mode delivered clarity and stability that were stunning and not what you would expect from an AM system." >This is just like a telephone line. If there is background noise >on the line, an analog voice call can still continue even with the >impaired quality. I noticed you said voice call. Reminds me of connecting to 300 baud modems 2000 miles away in 1982. It didn't work. There was to much noise on the line. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 18:14:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55193 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 02:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 02:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 02:14:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20040131021426.1245.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:14:26 PST Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:14:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.144 From: "John P." Subject: Variable bandwidth control Sony ST-JX220A AM$ tuner? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin T: Will this mod work with the Sony STR-AV470 AM receiver? White/Red tracer wire instead? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 18:41:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21498 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 02:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 02:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 02:41:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20040131024153.775.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.83] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:41:53 PST Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:41:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.81 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kerry Richards wrote: > We have the Kenwood radios here and have not had > this problem. Some of the earlier Kenwoods that were supposed to work with the HD box won't, as reported in Radio World. > Secondly, the same rules that apply to HD also apply > to C-Quam. > If you have an array or common point that has high > IQM, poor > bandwidth or a Smith chart like the "Tilt a Whirl" > at Coney Island, > then you will have problems with HD and C-Quam. WVOC 560 (then WIS) had run some AM stereo but the the impedences at 7500 KhZ had changed drastically so you know how good it DIDN'T sound. That array will NEVER pass for IBOC without a complete rebuild. Neither will Citadel's 1320 now called WISW. Then, the land itself is far more valuable than just being there for a TX site. > It is very unlikely that anyone who had such an > antenna or array > would attempt to install HD or C-Quam. It is also > unlikely that they > would spend the $15K plus to get the exciter with > out correcting > problems in the array first, because it simply would > not work. And I really don't expect Citadel to spend the hundreds of thousands to do a rebuild on that 4 tower array. And at 2500 watts the analog coverage is exceptionally spotty due to interference. If night IBOC is allowed as the NAB wants this will get exponentially worse, as EVERY daytimer or crippled night allocation will get requests for subtantial night power and if the FCC allows the NAB request for night IBOC they can't refuse the others. WHEW! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 18:49:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50927 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 02:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 02:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 02:49:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20040131024906.1707.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.83] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:49:06 PST Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:49:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.81 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kerry Richards wrote: > So you are saying that C-Quam will work into any > array??? As I said in another post there's 2 arrays sitting here in Columbia that certainly won't. > The point I am trying to make is the same thing I've > said here > before, C-Quam is being turned off and HD is being > turned on. > It makes no difference what you and your friends > think, or how > glorious you think C-Quam sounds, and how many > stations you can pull > in at your home. Where I currently live, if there is HD at night, my reception could drop to ZERO. > Where in the FCC rules does it say AM broadcasters > have to protect > DXing...NO WHERE! That is true. But the way HD is currently set up in the hybrid mode, there will be untolerable interference in LOCAL coverage areas. Do you think the average AM > station owner cares > about this? Does it increase his bottom line? Of > course not, only in > rare instances. AM stations want some kind of parity > with FM, and > lets not forget all the other media out there most > of it already > digital. C-Quam cannot compete on this level because > it is analog and > inherently noisy, where HD has solved this problem. Well you get a rip roaring severe thunderstorm producing tons of BOLTS and you might be able to hear the tornado warning through the crashes, but HD will drop out. > There are some big stations coming on line with the > HD system > shortly, a lot of them will be turning off the > C-Quam, many of them > will be FM Broadcasters as well. FM stations turning off CQUAM...... ( I am being funny, your sentence was weirdly constructed.) When we get to that > point and the > radios start proliferate in a few years what do you > think will happen > to C-Quam? Well who knows, but thousands of radio stations will have gone dark, because the interference was so bad that they couldn't serve the local area at all. I said I wouldn't for music, but I may just have to get XM for my talk shows, as I certainly won't hear them where I live. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Jan 30 18:52:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99601 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 02:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 02:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 02:52:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 02:51:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 02:51:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040130054510.46651.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1028 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >I should also add to my previous comments on audio processing, that >another cause of bad sounding AM HD over the air is the "core" >vs. "enhanced" modes. We are seeing this at some stations. If the >station has poor antenna bandwidth, or poor bandwidth in the >modulator of the transmitter, IQM goes way up. The lower level >secondary and tertiary digital carriers (5-10 khz and 0-5 kHz), can >then get buried in intermod products, making error free >recovery for enhanced mode difficult. In that case, the receiver >falls back to "core" mode. It'll go to "core" mode before it goes >to analog. So what you wind up with is "core" mode, which is a >robust mode, but lacks high frequency content and separation. >The "STEREO" indicator on the head unit displays of the Kenwood >receiver is a very rough indicator of whether you are in core or >enhanced mode. > >Gary Liebisch >Radio Transmission >Applications Engineer >Harris Corp. >Cincinnati OH >gliebisch@cinci.rr.com >gliebisc@harris.com >513 459-3461 (work) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 19:00:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98012 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 03:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 03:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 03:00:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 03:00:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 03:00:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 458 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.133 Subject: Re: Radio Tech IBOC talk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If you do or don't already follow the radio-tech forum (radio- > tech@b...) you might want to take a good look at today's > earliest digest. There's some very interesting back and forth on > certain aspects of IBOC's AM side. Verrry intu-resting ;-)) You can view this month's archive here: http://www.broadcast.net/pipermail/radio-tech/2004-January/date.html Look for messages entitled "New HD AM Codec still funky??" -- their words, not mine. :-) From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 19:13:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78741 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 03:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 03:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 03:13:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 03:12:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 03:12:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4998 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > So you are saying that C-Quam will work into any array??? I'm not the moderator, but I think I have some answers, as useless as they might be. If you have a badly-phased array, of course it won't pass properly. It would otherwise pass through just about any other antenna system, as long as it's properly maintained, as all antenna systems should be. > That's Crazy......Because you know that's simply not the case, unless > you consider 7 or 8 db of separation with a distortion on the high > end, and maybe a bandwidth 4khz wide C-Quam. I do not think this is > acceptable. If you're getting this, chasnces are your array was badly phased, which tells me alot about the engineer of a station, if the signal's phase and Q is that bad. It also speaks alot for the engineers who helped install IBOC to spec, just to pass that broad a bandwidth with a reasonable Q and minimal incidental phase introduced-- That same effort would put out quite a killer C-QUAM signal, as well. > C-Quam will not work well into any transmission system with narrow > bandwidth, high IPM, high IQM, negative towers in the array, or > lopsided bandpass. Again, that speaks alot about the engineer of the station, not doing his job to get the most out of a signal, with the least problems. Such inefficiency probably made the entire transmitter to antenna chain rather hot, and if I were that engineer, I would be ashamed to be associated with such a fiasco. > Why do you think the designers of the Motorola exciter made it so > complete, and difficult to install? Because these are the problems > that can occur and need corrected to get any C-Quam out of the array. > Whether or not HD is any easier to do than C-Quam is not the point > here, the requirements on the array to make the systems work are > almost identical. Correct- They ARE nearly identical-- They have the same considerations, except the broad bandwidth issue, as IBOC needs much more than C-QUAM. But again, this speaks for the quality of the engineering done, and the effort put into it. If you really wanted C-QUAM, you would've done something about it- More than just installing the ecxiter and expecting flawless operation. That just does NOT happen that way. But you DID get help from iBiquity in the IBOC installation, and we can at least say their engineers knew what they were doing, in order to pass a 30kHz-wide QuAM signal- I wish we had more engineers like that on our side! :) > Where you could get C-Quam out of the WOR Continental 317C, I doubt > very much HD would work at all because of the IPM. But then who is > installing 317's these days? I don't gthink the Continental mattered, here- If you can't minimize your IPM in your array, then what's the point? > The point I am trying to make is the same thing I've said here > before, C-Quam is being turned off and HD is being turned on. > It makes no difference what you and your friends think, or how > glorious you think C-Quam sounds, and how many stations you can pull > in at your home. Ah, but it DOES matter, for a number of reasons, not the least of which are nimnull excuses tossed out to say why they won't bother, and certainly there are enough receivers out there that do receive stereo AM....but then, trying to listen to ANYTHING in stereo in many carsa is nearly impossible, so.... The IBOC receivers are out, and nobody's biting- No surprise. Listeners will just take what they get, and considering that I believe this drive for IBOC corresponds with the termination of the 20-year contract Motorola had with the automakers. Thing is, people are going to hear the IBOC hash and turn OFF their radios- or go to XM, which they're already doing, in droves. > Where in the FCC rules does it say AM broadcasters have to protect > DXing...NO WHERE! Do you think the average AM station owner cares > about this? Does it increase his bottom line? Of course not, only in > rare instances. AM stations want some kind of parity with FM, and > lets not forget all the other media out there most of it already > digital. C-Quam cannot compete on this level because it is analog and > inherently noisy, where HD has solved this problem. Tisk, tisk, Mr. Richards- I'm surprised you're not adept on Part 73, I believe, which specifies the maximum allowable co-, and adjacent- channel i9nterference between stations! This also is a factor in trhe NRSC's AM broadcast standards, which requires minimal interference by limiting bandwith emissions. Mr. Richards, I'm incredibly disappointed in you and your engineering skills and knowlege, and as such, I have far less respect for you as an engineer, unlike Bob Carter, Neal Newman, MJR- People whom I have immense respect for, as well as a bevy of others who have posted here- All I can respect, and offer my cheese to. But I'm sorry, not you, I'm afraid. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 19:16:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40996 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 03:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 03:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 03:16:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 03:15:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 03:15:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2047 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.133 Subject: Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There are some big stations coming on line with the HD system > shortly, a lot of them will be turning off the C-Quam, many of them > will be FM Broadcasters as well. When we get to that point and the > radios start proliferate in a few years what do you think will > happen to C-Quam? When that happens, then analog AM and AM Stereo will make its grand comeback. Why? Because IBOC on the AM band is *mutually assured destruction*, especially at night. With only a few IBOC stations on the band right now, the damage might be relatively minor. But once "everybody" starts using it, then there will be mutual interference up to high heaven. Imagine the mess in the greater NYC area if 1010 WINS, 1040 WCHR, 1050 WEVD, 1060 KYW, 1070 WKMB, 1080 WTIC, 1100 WHLI, 1130 WBBR, 1160 WVNJ, 1170 WWTR, 1190 WLIB, and 1210 WPHT all started transmitting IBOC. In analog, I can receive ALL of these stations during the daytime with a minimum of adjacent channel interference. But once you put IBOC on any or all of these consecutive stations... forget about it!! IBOC is an _inherently flawed_ system. Like I've analogized before, it's like driving a Hummer down a foot path in Central Park. You may be able to do that once in a while without running over anything in your path, but what happens when you meet another Hummer coming in the opposite direction? If you think that's not a problem, then try listening to 690 WPHE or 740 WGSM anywhere within WOR's coverage area. WOR's IBOC totally clobbers these signals even on my most highly selective car radios. And then what if WPHE and WGSM started using IBOC? I don't think WOR would be too happy about the interference and loss of coverage area that would result. Just look at the "graveyard channels". These overcrowded stations were allowed to quadruple their nighttime power level, and the only result was a drastic increase in mutual interference. If everybody started transmitting IBOC, the _entire_ AM band would end up like that -- except even worse. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 19:21:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67447 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 03:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 03:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 03:21:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 03:21:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 03:21:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1096 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > It is very critical to setup the transmitter for low VSWR into the > antenna array, and minimal IPM, to achieve maximum AM CQUAM stereo > separation in the receiver. Sure, you could probably hook up a > CQUAM exciter to a transmitter that is poorly matched to it's > antenna, and it'll sound like crap. Ever listen to the old > WHAS stereo airchecks, the "SSS" sounds like a poorly tuned FM > receiver. This is what IPM in your common point ground sounds > like to the listener. You might get the stereo light to come on, > but are you really providing a high quality service to the stereo > listener. Bottom line, your array has to be flat across a wide > spectrum in order for HD or CQUAM to work. I will say this is true of ANY AM setup, an d has LONG been an issue with ham radio operators on the HF bands for many, many years. If you don't pass a good signal, you won't get a good signal. Any ham operator worth his or her cheese will put out a good, strong, clean signal. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Jan 30 19:25:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35496 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 03:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 03:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 03:25:05 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.db.250a030 (4328) for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:24:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:24:46 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.104 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Also, analog AM Stereo will work with just about any kind of antenna=20 > system you throw at it. It might not sound all that great with a=20 > poorly tuned, narrow-bandwidth antenna, it will work nonetheless.=20=20 True it will work but it'll sound like hell frozen over,then warmed=20 up,consumed and thrown up. The distortion in the high end and low end of th= e audio=20 received over the air would drive anyone to listen to another station..and = thats=20 not even mentioning the other problems that you would encounter. Anyone having any high powered licensed broadcast experience relating to=20 C-Quam and narrow band antennas,a bridge to measure impedance and bandwith = of an=20 antenna and a Smith chart to "see whats going on",one would understand how = not=20 just any kind of antenna would work for C-Quam. Many of the things needed to make C-Quam work properly and not half arsed i= s=20 the exact thing that will have to be in place to make HD radio work properl= y=20 at its highest capacity. BTW,the program "WinSmith" is a neat program to work with if you get the=20 chance to get a copy of the program...just "plug" the "numbers" in and the= =20 software does the rest relating to the Smith chart. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ----------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Jan 30 19:34:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46240 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 03:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 03:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 03:34:35 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.1e9.1834ba82 (4328) for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:34:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1e9.1834ba82.2d4c7c41@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:34:25 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.163 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Facts are facts, more HD stations are coming on line, and some of=20 > them will be transmitting AM Stereo, via IBOC. You need to update=20 > your website, get an HD reciever and make serious evaluations. The website needs updating anyhow as I have come across stations that are=20 analog stereo that are not on the list and other stations that are listed a= re=20 either presently not in stereo or never have been in stereo. Two stations in my market fit the last catagory What good is a list if its not up to date and with correct info? >=20 > There are some big stations coming on line with the HD system=20 > shortly, a lot of them will be turning off the C-Quam, many of them=20 > will be FM Broadcasters as well. When we get to that point and the=20 > radios start proliferate in a few years what do you think will happen=20 > to C-Quam? >=20 >=20 Already there are more HD radios coming to the market place.Uhm...how many= =20 analog stereo radios have been introduced to the market in the past year? I= 'd=20 venture to say slightly fewer analog AM stereo receivers have been introduc= ed to=20 the market compared to HD sets. I have yet to see any analog radios here.....but you sure see the HD sets=20 here and there. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Jan 30 19:41:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28393 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 03:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 03:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 03:41:13 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.d2.4271691 (4328) for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:40:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:40:56 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.8 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/30/04 9:44:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.co= m=20 writes: > WVOC 560 (then WIS) had run some AM stereo but the the > impedences at 7500 KhZ had changed drastically so you > know how good it DIDN'T sound. That array will NEVER > pass for IBOC without a complete rebuild. Neither will > Citadel's 1320 now called WISW. Then, the land itself > is far more valuable than just being there for a TX > site.=20=20 >=20 That would probably be the case at many stations that operate with antennas= =20 of a high "Q" factor. There are computer programs out here now that will al= low=20 you to "look" at a particular array on any frequency...redesign the ATU and= =20 the phasor to gain some sense of higher bandwith to make IBOC or even C-Qua= m=20 work. Consultants are currently grinning ear to ear with the thought of upcoming= =20 antenna redesign work. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur Radio------------ ------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 19:43:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86046 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 03:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 03:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 03:43:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 03:41:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 03:41:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040131021426.1245.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2241 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.133 Subject: Re: "medium" bandwidth mod on the Sony STR-AV470 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Will this mod work with the Sony STR-AV470 AM receiver? White/Red > tracer wire instead? The STR-AV470 already has the automatic bandwidth feature. It will automatically switch into wide-bandwidth mode once the signal strength exceeds a certain threshold. This threshold can be adjusted by the "ST LEVEL" pot on the main circuit board. I set mine to the minimum threshold (most sensitive), since that way it can receive AM Stereo even from relatively weak signals. And if I want it to stay in narrow-bandwidth mono mode, I can always use the button on the front panel to manually switch it. However, one neat trick with this model is that you can enable an undocumented "medium" bandwidth mode. For today's AM band conditions and with the large amount of pre-emphasis that many AM stations use, the Sony's wide bandwidth mode is often _too_ wide and has _too much_ treble response. The "medium" bandwidth still sounds very crisp and clear, but alleviates both of these problems. On the STR-AV470, it is very simple to enable the medium bandwidth mode. Facing the front of the receiver with its cover removed, locate the joined white and red wires that lead from the ceramic filter module on the main circuit board to the AM Stereo decoder board, located vertically against the front panel. Simply unplugging this connector will enable "medium" bandwidth mode! However, if you wish to keep the choice of narrow-bandwidth mono mode (via the front panel button) for best DXing performance, leave this connector plugged in, but clip the red wire, so that only the white wire is intact. If you don't want to actually cut the red wire, you can also spin the connector around and plug it in at an angle so that only the white wire makes electrical contact. With that simple modification, the STR-AV470 will now automatically switch between narrow-bandwidth/mono and medium-bandwidth/AM Stereo modes, depending on signal strength (an how you set the ST LEVEL pot). Also, narrow-bandwidth/mono will be available manually by pushing the front panel "AM IF" button. Note that the STR-AVxxx series all appear to use the same AM Stereo decoder board, so this modification will likely work with all of them. From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 19:49:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1427 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 03:49:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 03:49:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 03:49:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20040131034902.75444.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.83] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:49:02 PST Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:49:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > "amstereorules" > wrote: >> I will say this is true of ANY AM setup, an d has > LONG been an issue > with ham radio operators on the HF bands for many, > many years. If you > don't pass a good signal, you won't get a good > signal. > Any ham operator worth his or her cheese will put > out a good, strong, > clean signal. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Yes we don't want to have a HYEELLLOWY signal on AM. (Translated very bad yucky sound) Powell W4OPW....AM ham on 7290....Collins 32V-3 ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Jan 30 19:53:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81744 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 03:53:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 03:53:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 03:53:47 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040131035345.PREU244.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:53:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:53:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <10FC6920-53A1-11D8-860D-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.244 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I wrote in my column this week=20 (http://members.cox.net/rwagoner/columns/2004/jan3004.html), the fact=20 is that Ibiquity has thus far refused to post audio samples comparing=20 IBOC with good analog, be it quality C-QUAM stereo or just wideband=20 mono. All comparative samples are purposely selected to sound bad; that=20 makes me very suspicious. If IBOC truly sounds better, what is Ibiquity=20 afraid of??? Richard Wagoner On Friday, January 30, 2004, at 07:15 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > There are some big stations coming on line with the HD system > > shortly, a lot of them will be turning off the C-Quam, many of them > > will be FM Broadcasters as well. When we get to that point and the > > radios start proliferate in a few years what do you think will > > happen to C-Quam? > > When that happens, then analog AM and AM Stereo will make its grand > comeback.=A0 Why?=A0 Because IBOC on the AM band is *mutually assured > destruction*, especially at night.=A0 With only a few IBOC stations on > the band right now, the damage might be relatively minor.=A0 But once > "everybody" starts using it, then there will be mutual interference > up to high heaven. > > Imagine the mess in the greater NYC area if 1010 WINS, 1040 WCHR, > 1050 WEVD, 1060 KYW, 1070 WKMB, 1080 WTIC, 1100 WHLI, 1130 WBBR, 1160 > WVNJ, 1170 WWTR, 1190 WLIB, and 1210 WPHT all started transmitting > IBOC.=A0 In analog, I can receive ALL of these stations during the > daytime with a minimum of adjacent channel interference.=A0 But once > you put IBOC on any or all of these consecutive stations... forget > about it!! > > IBOC is an _inherently flawed_ system.=A0 Like I've analogized before, > it's like driving a Hummer down a foot path in Central Park.=A0 You may > be able to do that once in a while without running over anything in > your path, but what happens when you meet another Hummer coming in > the opposite direction? > > If you think that's not a problem, then try listening to 690 WPHE or > 740 WGSM anywhere within WOR's coverage area.=A0 WOR's IBOC totally > clobbers these signals even on my most highly selective car radios.=A0 > And then what if WPHE and WGSM started using IBOC?=A0 I don't think WOR > would be too happy about the interference and loss of coverage area > that would result. > > Just look at the "graveyard channels".=A0 These overcrowded stations > were allowed to quadruple their nighttime power level, and the only > result was a drastic increase in mutual interference.=A0 If everybody > started transmitting IBOC, the _entire_ AM band would end up like > that -- except even worse. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 20:02:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37547 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 04:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 04:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 04:02:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 04:02:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 04:02:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1e9.1834ba82.2d4c7c41@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 768 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > Already there are more HD radios coming to the market place.Uhm...how many > analog stereo radios have been introduced to the market in the past year? I'd > venture to say slightly fewer analog AM stereo receivers have been introduced to > the market compared to HD sets. > I have yet to see any analog radios here.....but you sure see the HD sets > here and there. As I have said before, there are no retail or aftermarket AM stereo radios in the US- only factory-installed car radios. That's it. And come next year (or more accurately, later this year), the conmtracts for a minimal number of C-QUAM installations expires, and thus the end of C-QUAM as we presently know it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 20:54:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33491 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 04:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 04:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 04:54:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 04:54:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 04:54:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 388 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 68.95.22.72 Subject: C-Quam and HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I'm not an engineer... (I changed my major to Broadcast Journalism after just one year of Aerospace), so I have to rely on you guys for layman explanations for some of these issues. Since HD is a bandwidth hog, why does the accompanying analog signal have to be restricted to 5 khz? Is HD really only usiing 5 khz while sending noise and other crud out beyond the 5 khz range? From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 21:04:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4600 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 05:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 05:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 05:04:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 05:04:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 05:04:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 964 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: Re: C-Quam and HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > I'm not an engineer... (I changed my major to Broadcast Journalism after just one year > of Aerospace), so I have to rely on you guys for layman explanations for some of > these issues. I'm a laymouse, myself, but I listen to the saner & brighter experts, read up on as much as I can, and come to my own conclusions. I don't pretend to be the brightest here- Far from it! I'm still learning. :) > Since HD is a bandwidth hog, why does the accompanying analog signal have to be > restricted to 5 khz? Is HD really only usiing 5 khz while sending noise and other crud > out beyond the 5 khz range? As a guard band between 5 and 10kHz, where IBOC starts at 10 and ends at 15kHz. GThe guard band prevents interference between the analog and digital. Thjnere are secondary and tertiary digital data between 0-5 and 5-10kHz at quadrature to the mono audio. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 21:51:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81807 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 05:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 05:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 05:51:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 05:50:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 05:50:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 253 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 68.95.22.72 Subject: Re: C-Quam and HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee <> I didn't know that! Why don't they just allow AM analogs to expand to 15 khz, and then require the manufacture of some SuperRadio quality C-Quam receivers... that'd beat the heck out of IBOC, wouldn't it??? From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 22:02:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79245 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 06:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 06:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11908.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.192) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 06:02:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20040131060227.58311.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.208.102] by web11908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:02:27 PST Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:02:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.192 From: "Tn S." Subject: CAM-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Haven't heard a peep about Kahn's CAM-D in a while..... .....Have the test stations begun testing? --tony --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 22:09:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26446 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 06:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 06:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 06:09:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20040131060916.36481.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:09:16 PST Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:09:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.151 From: "John P." Subject: Kerry: I want AM to be the very best that it can be X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Please understand - I really want the AM broadcast band to succeed. It is my opinion that we can't (yet) get high enough digital bit rates to make AM digital audio improve by a factor of 10 compared to decent analog AM tuners like the Fanfare FTA-100. Digital artifacts grate my ears more than most analog interference, which is why I detest satellite radio as well. IMO, the time and talent used on digital AM broadcasting technology would be better invested in digital RECEIVER technologies, thus maintaining current AM broadcast bandwidth, saving broadcasters expensive upgrades, and the stations would sound better with a nice DSP noise blanker variable bandwidth AM radio. I want nice AM (stereo) reception, but the real-world AM analog stereo samples received on the Fanfare FTA-100 from 80 miles out sound better than even the best iBiquity AM samples that I've heard thus far. The new AM codec is 3x better, but not quite there yet. If the broadcasters are hell-bent on adding HD-R, then I want it to be the very best that it can be, so much so that I can't wait to buy a new tuner like I did when I first heard the Sony SRF-A100's excellent audio quality at the Best Products store. Also, I really hate to see AM's one huge advantage over FM disappear with HD-R: losing long range reception when the sun goes down. I'll likely lose the Grand Ole Opry from WSM with digital white noise from WFAN when they crank-up their HD-R, so my only choice would be to listen to WSM online or on Sirius. I have to believe that WSM counts on listeners from more than just the state of Tennessee as I still listen (even in lower-quality mono now) to Eddie Stubbs twice a week on the station. I've already lost WOWO during the day, thanks to HD-R on 1200 in Detroit In closing: Kerry R. wrote: "The rest as I said before is moot, you have no radio, nor does our friend in Toledo, so how can you take what he says seriously?" My reply: I don't make this up, I was merely relaying what was written elsewhere: http://www.broadcast.net/pipermail/radio-tech/2004-January/047603.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jan 30 22:10:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98099 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 06:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 06:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 06:10:09 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:09:22 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:11:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20040131060227.58311.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} CAM-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Been checking the two "supposed" test stations that I can pick up. Nothing on either one. Just business as usual. Someone posted an article a couple of weeks ago about how Kahn wanted that stations to pay a huge amount of money for the equipment and so forth and this engineer wasn't too happy about that so he wasn't so sure he was going to be a test station. Maybe the whole project got scrapped. Michael n Wyo -----Original Message----- From: Tn S. [mailto:bossmsx2@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:02 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} CAM-D Haven't heard a peep about Kahn's CAM-D in a while..... .....Have the test stations begun testing? --tony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 22:28:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52858 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 06:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 06:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 06:28:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 06:27:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 06:27:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 837 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: Re: C-Quam and HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > <> > > I didn't know that! Why don't they just allow AM analogs to expand to 15 khz, and > then require the manufacture of some SuperRadio quality C-Quam receivers... that'd > beat the heck out of IBOC, wouldn't it??? The NRSC standard allows for flat up to 10kHz, with a gradual roll- off up to 30kHz. There ARE radios that have had IF bandwidths between 9 and 12kHz in recent years, even some AM stereo radios. (The last retail AMS radio in the US was the SRF-42, incidentally.) Why no C-QUAM? No incentive- No money. They're only concerned about how cheap they can make the radios, and if it's a specific feature, how much money is the proponent willing to "i9nvest". THIS is why IBOC. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Jan 31 01:22:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40302 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 09:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 09:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 09:22:04 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0V9Jx75012492 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 04:20:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <401B7374.7030903@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 04:20:52 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hold Onto your horses Amy Thank your for having some respect for in in My Engineering skills.. Even though I do Not agree with the Way IBOC works On the AM Band.. and I agree to the Point that AS more and more high power AM stations turn on their IBOC. especially when they get granted to use it at night. you will start to see the smaller market and 3rd adjacent in others states start to vanish because of the Hash.You think the am band at night is bad now Just wait You have not seen anything Yet.. The Only way I see IBOC working On the am band is to Run the Digital ON carrier and Not on the side bands and Totally Eliminate Analog. Now.. I think the Statement Below is uncalled for. Just as you say you say you have respect for Me... Even though we have our Differences On this matter.. I Highly respect Kerry Richards and Tom Ray not only as Fellow Engineers but they are both personal friends of Mine. and I do not like them being personally attacked. when I First heard The IBOC signal. It was Not only Destroying the Coverage of one of the stations I maintain. But the Digital audio heard in the Test receiver made me gag.. Sorry I am also a Concert audio Engineer and I know good audio From a bad sounding MP3 type IBOC audio... But the Last time I heard an IBOC signal mainly the WOR signal through the Test receiver I was impressed By the Improvement in the New Coding. However the Carrier signal still trashes the adjacent station. But not as bad as it did with the original Coding.. Like I said If they Eliminate the Analog all together and put the Digital On Center carrier. with more Enhancements ( Better Coding) this Just may work's Note:(Daytime ONLY). Please I know these 2 guys personally and they are Very Knowledgeable. I give them credit For Putting up with some of our crap. You have to Understand.. I grew up as a young Engineer where If I can prove it practically I was happy. I hate Guys with the " But in theory It works attitude"( like the Guys From Ibiquity) and" It Fits in the Mask". The Mask was not designed with IBOC in mind . IBOC was Designed to see how Much garbage can we squeeze into the mask and be considered legal Get Rid of the Analog all together and the" how much can we fit in the Mask" is no longer an Issue. My hats off to Tom and Kerry for at least having the Nuts to Jump into this with Both feet. and they are still standing..... Hey Someone had to Do it..... Remember the Days of Early TV someone had to test it and It went through MANY Phases. before they got it right. and here they are again trying to Improve it with HDTV.. I just want to know.....after they add all these Heavy HDTV Slotted Dipole antennas to existing Towers.. How many will Fall within 10 Years of the installation..( I am talking OLD Towers Not New) It seems we lost a Hell of a lot Of qualified Tower workers past year. Mostly On Towers that were getting Beefed up for HDTV.. Just think about it.. Its really scary.. Neal Amy Mousie wrote: >-- >Mr. Richards, I'm incredibly disappointed in you and your engineering >skills and knowlege, and as such, I have far less respect for you as >an engineer, unlike Bob Carter, Neal Newman, MJR- People whom I have >immense respect for, as well as a bevy of others who have posted here- > All I can respect, and offer my cheese to. But I'm sorry, not you, >I'm afraid. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 31 01:41:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86329 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 09:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 09:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 09:41:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 09:40:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:40:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <10FC6920-53A1-11D8-860D-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1980 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.133 Subject: Re: IBOC audio... the good, the bad, & the ugly X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > All comparative samples are purposely selected to sound bad; that > makes me very suspicious. If IBOC truly sounds better, what is > Ibiquity afraid of??? Also notice that so far, iBiquity's official AM IBOC audio samples have never contained any voice content -- not even within music. This is likely because at its low bitrate, the AAC-type codec they use for AM IBOC sounds the worst with a "dry male voice" -- and that's what 90% of today's AM News/Talk programming consists of. Reviewers _not_ involved in the broadcasting industry have already described how AM IBOC's digital audio subjectively sounds _worse_ than even 5 kHz analog AM, when it comes to news/talk programming. Voice audio has been described as sounding "harsh" and "crackly" on AM IBOC digital.... in other words, like what the satellite feed of the Michael Savage show sounds like, even without any IBOC involved. When it comes to IBOC's digital audio quality, there are four main trouble spots: voice programming, source audio that is already digitally compressed, heavy levels of audio processing, and any use of clipping in the source audio or audio processing. This means that commercials will fare the worst of all, because the spots that radio stations play typically contain ALL FOUR of these no-nos. I've heard commercials on XM satellite radio and they sound drastically worse than the rest of the programming. The artifacts that are usually only mildly annoying on the music are pushed right into your face during the commercials. And on AM IBOC, with only about half of the bitrate that XM uses, many commercials will sound so bad that even "average" listeners will be turned off by the poor audio. But thankfully, at least Kenwood's IBOC receiver can be manually switched into analog-only mode, so if the digital audio offends your ears with its poor quality, you can fall back to 1920s technology at its best: mono analog AM with 5 kHz frequency response! From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Jan 31 04:33:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30282 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 12:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 12:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 12:32:59 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-44.iquest.net [209.43.58.44]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i0VCWduH046056 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 05:32:41 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002a01c3e7f6$5292f680$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 07:32:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Where in the FCC rules does it say AM broadcasters have to protect > DXing...NO WHERE! Do you think the average AM station owner cares > about this? Does it increase his bottom line? Of course not, only in > rare instances. AM stations want some kind of parity with FM, and > lets not forget all the other media out there most of it already > digital. C-Quam cannot compete on this level because it is analog and > inherently noisy, where HD has solved this problem. I've listened and respected your opinions during the long exchanges on this forum, Kerry but this time you make no sense. If DXing is of no concern to you or WOR, how about tightening up your directional antenna and cutting your power back to about 5kw. With a proper antenna array, 5 KW would give you great penetration in your COL. That would allow lots of other licenses on 710 to serve the public interest (essentially turn all of the old clear channels into regional frequencies). Indiana lost it's only Clear Channel (to serve the (NYC) public interest) so I think we should further cut up the former 1A clear channels (using the WOWO scenario). Most of the co/adjacent channel 'hash' that has been beaten to death here seems to be coming from the big "guns: testing IBOC, so if the big guns were given enough power to serve the city of license, without regard to DXing (I know you could care less if WOR was the #1 station in Bangor Maine), even I might endorse IBOC. From g7ltt@g7ltt.com Sat Jan 31 04:36:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: g7ltt@g7ltt.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82501 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 12:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 12:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net) (167.206.5.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 12:36:43 -0000 Received: from g7ltt (ool-44c4857d.dyn.optonline.net [68.196.133.125]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with SMTP id <0HSC00J11TNQOR@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 07:35:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 07:36:07 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <002a01c3e7f6$cf1e8200$64c9a8c0@g7ltt> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <1f0.18355e2d.2d4a12bc@aol.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 167.206.5.75 From: Mark Phillips Subject: Re: {AMSF} All Digital Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10386607 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc2eni With a DRM statiuon there is no analogue at all. They do away with it in favour of more bandwidth. A 24kbs Stereo signal sounds very good indeed. DRM callows for upto 24kbps. More stations on a single "carrier" or stream means less quality. You can have upto 4 programs. Take a look at www.drmrx.org or my website http://www.g7ltt.com/drm for more info Mark Phillips G7LTT/KC2ENI Randolph NJ http://www.g7ltt.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 02:39 Subject: Re: {AMSF} All Digital Question In a message dated 1/28/04 10:18:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, g7ltt@g7ltt.com writes: > This has already been done in DRM. DRM is operating on short and medium > wave > in Europe and is on shortwave here in the States. > A station using DRM,can you hear the digital noise [hash on channel under analog audio plus the hash noise either side of the station] like you can with a station broadcasting IBOC? I've never tuned to a station known to be using DRM. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP Amateur Radio------------------------------------------ Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From g7ltt@g7ltt.com Sat Jan 31 04:36:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: g7ltt@g7ltt.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40490 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 12:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 12:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net) (167.206.5.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 12:36:45 -0000 Received: from g7ltt (ool-44c4857d.dyn.optonline.net [68.196.133.125]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with SMTP id <0HSC00IS1TOOQ8@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 07:36:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 07:36:07 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <003301c3e7f6$d6482810$64c9a8c0@g7ltt> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <1f0.18355e2d.2d4a12bc@aol.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 167.206.5.72 From: Mark Phillips Subject: Re: {AMSF} All Digital Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10386607 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc2eni With a DRM statiuon there is no analogue at all. They do away with it in favour of more bandwidth. A 24kbs Stereo signal sounds very good indeed. DRM callows for upto 24kbps. More stations on a single "carrier" or stream means less quality. You can have upto 4 programs. Take a look at www.drmrx.org or my website http://www.g7ltt.com/drm for more info Mark Phillips G7LTT/KC2ENI Randolph NJ http://www.g7ltt.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 02:39 Subject: Re: {AMSF} All Digital Question In a message dated 1/28/04 10:18:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, g7ltt@g7ltt.com writes: > This has already been done in DRM. DRM is operating on short and medium > wave > in Europe and is on shortwave here in the States. > A station using DRM,can you hear the digital noise [hash on channel under analog audio plus the hash noise either side of the station] like you can with a station broadcasting IBOC? I've never tuned to a station known to be using DRM. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP Amateur Radio------------------------------------------ Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sat Jan 31 05:57:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29369 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 13:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 13:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.171) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 13:57:57 -0000 Received: from user-2446.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.137.142] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AmvdE-0008Bf-9V for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:57:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:56:31 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.171 From: Philip de Cadenet Reply-To: phil@transmittersrus.com Subject: WINRADIO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Is anyone familiar with the WINRADIO which offers AMS: http://www.winradio.co.uk/index.htm ? -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Jan 31 08:48:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12569 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 16:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 16:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.194) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 16:47:50 -0000 Received: from storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id EFB7F10743; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 08:38:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id IAA25887; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 08:38:38 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAzSvONQvTvFCjP5oUHQC6FOTCwZwCFHr13dnRndLBhKZBhcVc5EMCNJrb Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:38:38 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com Message-ID: <28721-401BDA0E-3320@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 31 Jan 2004 15:03:08 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.194 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: CAM-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 KRVN _am 880 Lexington, NE supposedly has been running CAM-D. I need to fire up the old reliable SRF-A100 in the Kahn Mode and see what I can hear. KRVN is about 200 miles towards the west of Omaha, NE. Their daytime signal is okay, but KRVN's signal drops off a cliff (here) when they switch to the westward directional signal at night. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Jan 31 09:18:53 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Jan 31 09:24:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47401 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 17:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 17:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 17:24:17 -0000 Received: from storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id C870F1059E for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id JAA27437; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:21:31 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRubh77KfxI2qslIBNTGpSXeE42uwIVALBWLCEunV4OcvdRihKpmcKSBchO Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:21:31 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <28715-401BE41B-7757@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 31 Jan 2004 03:49:05 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Clear Channel $750,000 fine X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Interesting comments yesterday on Clear Channel 's KFAB 1110 Omaha Discussing the 3/4 million dollar fine CCU was levied for indecent broadcasts in Florida. Bubba the Love Sponge railes a few people, apparently . To a small broadcaster $750,000 would be disastrous, But to giant(s) like Clear Channel it is " pocket change" & just a cost of doing business. The morning team bought up the changes in radio since the 70's No requirement for news or Public service programming for stations, etc...( How Lax can the FCC get??) Seems only the legacy AM stations carry much news anymore, News is near non-existent on the FM band. Then the subject shifted to the FCC Commissioner that wants a lot BIGGER fines and possible license revacation!! For the worst offenders!!! Pulling a license has been rarely done, but Yes, it happened here in Omaha. The KFAB morning team then recalled "the day the music died" at crosstown 1290 KOIL & 96.1 KEFM // Koil-fm in 1976. The FCC cancelled their broadcasting licenses, and were forced to leave the air. Recollection, was that KOIL had a contest that no body ever won. It cost the Star stations all their licenses. This is the ONE FCC action all broadcasters really fear, as you are out of business, literally. Or you can have your tower blown down in a tornado like KEFM in 1980, OR The AM transmitter catches on fire and burns up like KOIL did in 1993. Talk about a set of stations with a bad run of luck. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Jan 31 09:26:03 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Jan 31 09:28:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45996 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 17:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 17:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 17:28:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 17:27:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:27:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2957 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.99.231 Subject: Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > C-Quam will not work well into any transmission system with narrow > bandwidth, high IPM, high IQM, negative towers in the array, or > lopsided bandpass. > That is correct. If your antenna system and transmitter are not up to snuff, forget about trying HD or C-Quam. HD probably wouldn't work at all, while C-Quam would have all sorts of distortions and uglies nobody could stand to listen. > AM stations want some kind of parity with FM, and > lets not forget all the other media out there most of it already > digital. This is the "digital for the sake of digital" buzz that everyone is so wrapped up in. Let's say AM plays on the same field as FM in the IBOC world. Do you see any New York AM's switching to a music based format like Adult Standards? Or a Country music format? Or a Real Oldies format? I don't. I don't forsee any major changes from the programming end anywhere and as long as that doesn't happen, AM won't happen regardless of bandwidth or system. > C-Quam cannot compete on this level because it is analog and > inherently noisy, where HD has solved this problem. Except that HD adds it's own noise to the analog band and new and still unacceptable artifacts to the digital audio. WOR was probably HD's best case scenerio for intereference... a directional high power AM with few neighbors. The same couldn't be said when HD was fired up on WZRC, or countless other stations I can think of which have similar problems with adjacents. > There are some big stations coming on line with the HD system > shortly, a lot of them will be turning off the C-Quam, many of them > will be FM Broadcasters as well. When we get to that point and the > radios start proliferate in a few years what do you think will happen > to C-Quam? Just what will happen to HD... it will be gone. Why? Because we dropped the ball with AM TWICE (stereo and NRSC) and pissed off the listener with Telecom 1996. Now they have their I-Pod and XM and radio has fallen behind because.... CONTENT... is bad. Let's not blame the TECHNOLOGY when the CONTENT is what sucks eggs. I have no problem with music on current analog AM if its what I want to listen to (and right now, those signals do come from outside the market... WWKB and CHML at night). Same with FM. Give me something to listen to and I will. Saturday night, WKXW in Trenton does a 70's show. I purposly take a different route home from work on Long Island to stay on the South Shore to catch the show. BUT... if what is presented is garbage, then forget it, I'll throw in a CD or turn on my computer and listen to something I want to. With HD, none of those aspects of programming will change, instead we'll add another cancer on the AM band and basically blow up the whole system. You can add digital, but when people go out and buy the radios and find out it's the same old garbage, I know I would be pissed. From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Jan 31 09:45:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30588 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 17:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 17:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 17:45:49 -0000 Received: from storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 2798BC11B; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id JAA28227; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:45:24 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQbPOkeKkuBB6+/rzDZtsSW4x7IbQIVAJM7yQNNp+x+voiKJvsNQ0qlVjlR Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:45:23 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com Message-ID: <28717-401BE9B3-5117@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 31 Jan 2004 15:03:08 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: XM Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Had an interesting experience yesterday. At the electronics store I work at several broadcast engineers came in to get some I C chips, and were curious about the XM satellite display, So I give them the details on XM Seems that I had the XM on the Watercolors channel XM71 which runs a smooth jazz format ( just like the former KOSJ-FM that Journal Broadcasting couldn't seem to make any money at) I mention that XM has some of those formats that you can't find on radio now days, and Then I show the remote and switch the XM to beautiful music on "Sunny" XM24. Another format that Journal dropped ( I didn't want to rub the salt in the wounds too badly. ) Yes, I am still upset that KESY FM & AM went away. A lot of music on Sunny reminds me of KESY, KFAB and several other early FM's. I shouldn't of done it, But I mentioned that I made some tapes of the XM stations and " it sounds as good OR better that FM" aka ((( AM Stereo))) Being Broadcast professionals they are pretty curious about the new technology, and I suspect that there is the fear that Sirrus and XM could take away listeners from FM & AM stations. Yes, I can understand why they didn't take a bunch of brochures back to the station..... Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jan 31 10:31:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80593 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 18:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 18:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 18:31:04 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.154.2caec9ba (30960) for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:29:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <154.2caec9ba.2d4d4e16@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:29:42 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.8 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/31/04 4:22:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 groucho@skyweb.net writes: > Hold Onto your horses Amy > Thank your for having some respect for in in My Engineering skills.. > Even though I do Not agree with the Way IBOC works On the AM Band I'm in 100% agreement here with Neal.Personal attacks towards Kerry Richard= s=20 and Tom Ray are highly uncalled for and unfair...they are just doing their= =20 jobs.You cant fault anyone for sticking their necks out to try something ne= w,work=20 the bugs out etc etc etc. Myself regarding IBOC..I'm not to keen on the effects that the digital=20 signals have on the analog---BUT---,we are entering a new frontier with res= pect to=20 digital on AM.This is new for everyone..from the listener to the engineers = at=20 the radio stations and receiver manufactures. We all have our visions of what could happen to AM radio given the present= =20 receiver status and programming content status,but slamming those people th= at=20 are "on the front lines" wont help anyone here.=20 Even though this board is about analog AM stereo...a new "mode" of AM radio= =20 is coming in some form or another...so instead of all of the nit picking ho= opla=20 I'm reading here,I hope to see more positive energy devoted towards learnin= g=20 how it works...maybe, with that in mind someone will figure out how to make= =20 the system better than what it is now. Just some words to think on as I would hope that all of us are and can=20 conduct ourselves in a professional manor here. The more you know,the more you grow! ...keep it realistic! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Jan 31 10:37:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32532 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 18:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 18:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 18:37:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 18:37:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:37:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <28717-401BE9B3-5117@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 201 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: XM Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > show the remote and switch the XM to beautiful music on "Sunny" XM24. > Another format that Journal dropped "Sunny" and "On The Rocks" are the two reasons why I got XM in the first place. -tony From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sat Jan 31 10:58:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1116 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 18:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 18:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 18:58:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 18:58:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:58:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2997 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq This is so true. I recently had a conversation with a friend of mine who went over to Sirrus. The problem is not technology it's programming. That's why he switched.... because he felt all the programming on local radio sucks. It's neat to play with new technology but all the IBOC/CQUAM arguments aside, IMHO there is not one decent station in area to listen to. They all stink, both AM and FM. So put this same lame crap on HD and you're gonna go nowhere. Kerry, can you tell me what the advantage of listening to Bob Grant in HD is? It's time to stop playing with technology and start to improve programming before the whole ship sinks. Programming people in radio have lost the feel of what a good radio station is. They no longer know how to grab the listeners and put them on that high that keeps them tuned in. WWKB is a start. They found a burning ember in the pile of ashes that was once radio. They and a few other radio stations are trying but sadly I'm afraid wont be enough to return radio to what it once was. The glory days are over. Unfortunately you can't get this through to the programming people and consultants, Clear Channel, NAB, etc. They still think they know what they're doing but they really don't. TV isn't far behind either. How many reality series do we have to sit through? As for me, I've become self entertaining so to speak. I also refuse to pay a subscription to listen to radio. Once Sirrius and XM realise they can add more channels by compressing and squeezing more their quality will get worse too. Sorry, IBOC is not going to save radio. With it's poor quality and interference problems it will probabbly help destroy what little there is now. BTW, on a side note, the new DRM system sounds like garbage too. Their latest change makes it sound as bad as Ibiquity's stuff. A friend of mine, who is pro-digital, set up a receiver for DRM. I pointed out the digital artifacts to him and he agrees. He also said the dropouts with fading on short wave are annoying. So what are we doing by going digital?? Jerry WA2FNQ > Let's not blame the TECHNOLOGY when the CONTENT is what sucks eggs. > I have no problem with music on current analog AM if its what I want > to listen to (and right now, those signals do come from outside the > market... WWKB and CHML at night). Same with FM. Give me something > to listen to and I will. Saturday night, WKXW in Trenton does a > 70's show. I purposly take a different route home from work on Long > Island to stay on the South Shore to catch the show. > > BUT... if what is presented is garbage, then forget it, I'll throw > in a CD or turn on my computer and listen to something I want to. > > With HD, none of those aspects of programming will change, instead > we'll add another cancer on the AM band and basically blow up the > whole system. > > You can add digital, but when people go out and buy the radios and > find out it's the same old garbage, I know I would be pissed. From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jan 31 12:01:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3946 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 20:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 20:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 20:01:32 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040131195602.WVHW29509.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:56:02 -0500 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:55:59 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7DE4CD16-5427-11D8-860D-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.241 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been saying this for years. There used to be some good stations,=20 but Clear Channel's merge with AMFM in LA caused them to sell off their=20 acquired good (but weaker signal) stations, and the remaining ones=20 wouldn't dare to actually compete, since they would steal listeners=20 away from their other co-owned stations. Net result? I listen to=20 primarily my iPod and a little bit of talk radio now. Of course I don't=20 hear new music, but most stations in town don't play new music anyway.=20 And that, by the way, is the real reason album sales are down... On Saturday, January 31, 2004, at 10:58 AM, wa2fnq wrote: > This is so true. I recently had a conversation with a friend of mine > who went over to Sirrus. The problem is not technology it's > programming. That's why he switched.... because he felt all the > programming on local radio sucks. It's neat to play with new > technology but all the IBOC/CQUAM arguments aside, IMHO there is not > one decent station in area to listen to. They all stink, both AM and > FM. So put this same lame crap on HD and you're gonna go nowhere. > Kerry, can you tell me what the advantage of listening to Bob Grant > in HD is? It's time to stop playing with technology and start to > improve programming before the whole ship sinks. Programming people > in radio have lost the feel of what a good radio station is. They no > longer know how to grab the listeners and put them on that high that > keeps them tuned in. WWKB is a start. They found a burning ember in > the pile of ashes that was once radio. They and a few other radio > stations are trying but sadly I'm afraid wont be enough to return > radio to what it once was. The glory days are over. Unfortunately you > can't get this through to the programming people and consultants, > Clear Channel, NAB, etc. They still think they know what they're > doing but they really don't. TV isn't far behind either. How many > reality series do we have to sit through? > > As for me, I've become self entertaining so to speak. I also refuse > to pay a subscription to listen to radio. Once Sirrius and XM realise > they can add more channels by compressing and squeezing more their > quality will get worse too. > > Sorry, IBOC is not going to save radio. With it's poor quality and > interference problems it will probabbly help destroy what little > there is now. > > BTW, on a side note, the new DRM system sounds like garbage too. > Their latest change makes it sound as bad as Ibiquity's stuff. A > friend of mine, who is pro-digital, set up a receiver for DRM. I > pointed out the digital artifacts to him and he agrees. He also said > the dropouts with fading on short wave are annoying. > > So what are we doing by going digital?? > > Jerry=A0=A0=A0 WA2FNQ > > > > Let's not blame the TECHNOLOGY when the CONTENT is what sucks eggs. > > I have no problem with music on current analog AM if its what I want > > to listen to (and right now, those signals do come from outside the > > market... WWKB and CHML at night). Same with FM. Give me something > > to listen to and I will. Saturday night, WKXW in Trenton does a > > 70's show. I purposly take a different route home from work on Long > > Island to stay on the South Shore to catch the show. > > > > BUT... if what is presented is garbage, then forget it, I'll throw > > in a CD or turn on my computer and listen to something I want to. > > > > With HD, none of those aspects of programming will change, instead > > we'll add another cancer on the AM band and basically blow up the > > whole system. > > > > You can add digital, but when people go out and buy the radios and > > find out it's the same old garbage, I know I would be pissed. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Sat Jan 31 13:48:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68836 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 21:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 21:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 21:48:18 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:48:17 -0700 To: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:50:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <28721-401BDA0E-3320@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill I can pick up KRVN loud and clear at night here. There's nothing going on there. It's the same ole same ole. I've listened during the evening when they're just doing local music. Nothing different. I wrote to them a while back asking about CAM-D stuff and got no response. I'm sure they're not gonna blab everywhere that they're testing it anyway and probably are/were told by Kahn that all of this is strictly confidential anyway. But as far as I can tell, sounds just like it always has. Same goes for KKDS in Salt Lake City. They were another supposed CamD tester. Same ol business as usual there too. I check these two stations every few days. In the case of KRVN, if they ARE indeed testing it, they must be testing it only during the day in which case I won't be able to tell unless I'm in Lexington some day. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: oldphones@webtv.net [mailto:oldphones@webtv.net] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:39 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D KRVN _am 880 Lexington, NE supposedly has been running CAM-D. I need to fire up the old reliable SRF-A100 in the Kahn Mode and see what I can hear. KRVN is about 200 miles towards the west of Omaha, NE. Their daytime signal is okay, but KRVN's signal drops off a cliff (here) when they switch to the westward directional signal at night. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Sat Jan 31 14:52:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5580 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 22:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 22:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 22:52:06 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:52:01 -0700 To: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:53:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I can answer the question for Kerry and Tom here. No, I'm not an IBOC proponent....but their point is with HD, no static, no buzz, no pops. The advantage of listening to Bob Grant in HD is he's cleaner with no buzz and no static. I think the point that they and everybody is trying to make is that HD quiets things down and cleans up the sound. Something that even with "noise-blanking" and stuff like that, they still have never and will never be able to get out of an analog AM signal. Period. It's a property of AM. You go under a power line and you're gonna get a buzz (or if you're drinking! :)).....you go underneath some LED traffic lights, you're gonna get some sizzle. HD radio gets rid of these things. True, if you're in the middle of a huge thunderstorm and there's lightning every 2 seconds, yeah the HD probably will not be able to keep up and it will downgrade to the analog signal because enough bits and bytes can't get through the "static" that you're not hearing but IS ocurring interrupting the digital stream. So it's gonna sound like crap. But then again, I've found that it's really hard to listen to ANALOG AM as well in a violent thunderstorm because the static is going to be so bad anyway. AM is subject to many many limitations and tons of electrical type interference and so forth. It just is. And there's not a lot we can do about it. In the 70s we 'put up' with it. And those of us who LOVE AM and AM Stereo (like myself and most of us here) still put up with it today. But then FM came to be people started noticing how clean it is. No popping. No static. And that's why FM became what it is today. I can say this speaking from experience. I remember being a kid and thinking exactly the same thing. "WOW!! FM is SO clean!!" Well, HD on AM is just like that. It is extremely clean. Very quiet and clean in most cases. I'm not pushing IBOC. I'm not saying it's going to save AM. But I think I'm seeing the whole point of HD on AM. The improvement that I see is that it CLEANS IT UP. I am with you guys 1000 %. It DOES sound crappy with jingle bells and compression artifacts. I WOULD rather put up with some occasional popping and static to hear a beautiful C-quam signal that sounds real and not compressed. But ya gotta admit still.....it may not SOUND great, but it sure is nice and CLEAN. In analog there is NO WAY to clean it all up. The noise-blanking is certainly one thing that cleaned up a LOT of it. And I'd have to agree that if HD had never come about and c-quam would have stuck and the FCC would have mandated full 7.5khz bandwidth and noise blanking and c-quam stereo on EVERY AM radio manufactured for sale in the U.S., it might be a better world and AM would not have died. I think consumer would be more than happy with it. And there would probably still be music there. Hence, my theory that I spoke of a while back. A new manufacturing standard for analog AM......and I could still see something like that happening if HD does indeed fall on its face. "Enhanced AM". A brand new standard that includes noise-blanking, 7.5khz or even up to 10 khz bandwidth (so you get some nice high end and it doesn't sound muddy) and of course, c-quam stereo. All part of the "enhanced am" standard. That is about all we could do to clean up the analog sound. If this came to be, then you wouldn't be splattering the dial with all kinds of hash, and of course all of the BILLIONS of existing receivers would be compatible with it. My point? They're trying to clean up the AM band....same reason they're using it for FM. Try to clean up the sound so it's nice and clean and noiseless. Does it work? Yep...to a point. Will it take off? Who knows. I'd put my vote in for IBOC during daytime / C-quam at night. I'll take whatever c-quam I can get :) It is still up to the programmers to do what they need to do to save AM. I agree...it's the content that makes people listen or not. If I love Bill O'Reilly or Don & Mike and I can only hear them on AM, then I'm gonna listen to AM. Same thing we go through in small towns. Our AM is AM Stereo and plays music. Would I put a format in there that directly competes with an FM doing exactly the same format? Nope. We have a new FM that just came on that gets into town loud and clear. Hot country is the format. Am I gonna change the AM's format to hot country? Nope. People are gonna listen to the FM because why listen on their crappy AM radio when they can get the same thing on FM. Our format is classic country. If there were an FM in town doing classic country, would we be doing it on our AM? Probably not. We'd be doing oldies or something else that people can't get anywhere else. In big markets there's tons of FM's and therefore it's hard for an AM to compete with a format that's on FM. Just a fact of life. I think that's why so many AMs especially in bigger markets went to talk. Can't get talk on FM. People will listen to AM, no matter how crappy their radio is, if you give them something to listen to. In most big cities you'll have an AM or two that is indeed doing music. And what is it? Usually something that an FM is NOT doing. Like standards, classic soul, classic country, nostalgia, spanish.....etc. Now I will admit....there are still plenty of people that like those formats that still won't listen because it's AM. Most of those are the younger generation. Ask any kid (15-25 yr old) out there. "Oh I don't listen to AM." and it's because they think it's muddy and sounds like crap. This is where the help of the FCC and strict manufacturing requirements......"enhanced AM" and so forth comes into play. Anyhoo....maybe I made some valid points or maybe I just have too much time on my hands. Please don't beat me up too bad :) Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: wa2fnq [mailto:wa2fnq@optonline.net] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 11:59 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions Kerry, can you tell me what the advantage of listening to Bob Grant in HD is? It's time to stop playing with technology and start to improve programming before the whole ship sinks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jan 31 15:44:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6016 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 23:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 23:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 23:44:23 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.17e.25cee97a (4418) for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:40:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <17e.25cee97a.2d4d96e9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:40:25 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.36 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For folks looking for CAM-D test stations...if there are any actually=20 testing,take a peek at this website. AMENDMENT ONE=20=20 [=20=20 http://scorpius.spaceports.com/~wkjce/Don/AMENDMENT_ONE/AMENDMENTONEapril20= 03.html ]=20 Keep in mind the info on that site is nearly a year old..so who knows what= =20 the exact latest deal may be on CAM-D. About half way down the page it list the states that test stations are like= ly=20 to be found. [[no stations are named...only states where to find test=20 stations]] The article also states that test stations have to purchase and = install=20 the equipment. If this CAM-D deal is really what it is "advertised" as being,it should be= =20 intersting to see how this one is pulled off...you can only fit but so much= =20 within an American broadcast channel. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jan 31 16:56:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23244 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 00:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 00:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 00:56:00 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040201005557.CBZA9536.fed1mtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:55:57 -0500 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:55:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <622DF057-5451-11D8-860D-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.126 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Funny. I haven't really heard static on AM on strong signals in years.=20 I remember listening to KCBQ from San Diego at my house in San=20 Pedro/Los Angeles (something that I assume couldn't be done with IBOC)=20 during the mid 1970s and having a half-second static burst occasionally=20 ... never did figure out what caused that ... but I listen to KFI and=20 KLAC (and some others) ... static just isn't an issue in this area.=20 Perhaps in areas that actually get rain ... I absolutely respect Tom and Kerry's opinions and expertise, however.=20 While I am not convinced about IBOC's supposed good sound, I can't=20 imagine either one of them purposely doing something that they believe=20 is bad. And the fact that they are trying it is good ... without people=20 trying it out, we really wouldn't know if it is good or bad. Richard On Saturday, January 31, 2004, at 02:53 PM, Michael J. Richard wrote: > Well I can answer the question for Kerry and Tom here.=A0 No, I'm not an= =20 > IBOC > proponent....but their point is with HD, no static, no buzz, no pops.=A0= =20 > The > advantage of listening to Bob Grant in HD is he's cleaner with no buzz=20 > and > no static.=A0 I think the point that they and everybody is trying to=20 > make is > that HD quiets things down and cleans up the sound.=A0=A0 Something that= =20 > even > with "noise-blanking" and stuff like that, they still have never and=20 > will > never be able to get out of an analog AM signal.=A0 Period.=A0 It's a=20 > property > of AM.=A0 You go under a power line and you're gonna get a buzz (or if=20 > you're > drinking! :)).....you go underneath some LED traffic lights, you're=20 > gonna > get some sizzle.=A0 HD radio gets rid of these things.=A0 True, if you're= =20 > in the > middle of a huge thunderstorm and there's lightning every 2 seconds,=20 > yeah > the HD probably will not be able to keep up and it will downgrade to=20 > the > analog signal because enough bits and bytes can't get through the=20 > "static" > that you're not hearing but IS ocurring interrupting the digital=20 > stream.=A0 So > it's gonna sound like crap.=A0 But then again, I've found that it's=20 > really > hard to listen to ANALOG AM as well in a violent thunderstorm because=20 > the > static is going to be so bad anyway.=A0 AM is subject to many many=20 > limitations > and tons of electrical type interference and so forth.=A0 It just is.=A0= =20 > And > there's not a lot we can do about it.=A0 In the 70s we 'put up' with=20 > it.=A0 And > those of us who LOVE AM and AM Stereo (like myself and most of us here) > still put up with it today.=A0 But then FM came to be people started=20 > noticing > how clean it is.=A0 No popping.=A0 No static.=A0 And that's why FM became= =20 > what it > is today.=A0 I can say this speaking from experience.=A0 I remember being= =20 > a kid > and thinking exactly the same thing.=A0 "WOW!!=A0 FM is SO clean!!"=A0=A0= =A0=20 > Well, HD > on AM is just like that.=A0 It is extremely clean.=A0 Very quiet and clea= n=20 > in > most cases. > I'm not pushing IBOC.=A0 I'm not saying it's going to save AM.=A0 But I=20 > think > I'm seeing the whole point of HD on AM.=A0 The improvement that I see is= =20 > that > it CLEANS IT UP.=A0 I am with you guys 1000 %.=A0 It DOES sound crappy wi= th > jingle bells and compression artifacts.=A0 I WOULD rather put up with=20 > some > occasional popping and static to hear a beautiful C-quam signal that=20 > sounds > real and not compressed.=A0=A0 But ya gotta admit still.....it may not=20 > SOUND > great, but it sure is nice and CLEAN.=A0 In analog there is NO WAY to=20 > clean it > all up.=A0 The noise-blanking is certainly one thing that cleaned up a=20 > LOT of > it.=A0 And I'd have to agree that if HD had never come about and c-quam=20 > would > have stuck and the FCC would have mandated full 7.5khz bandwidth and=20 > noise > blanking and c-quam stereo on EVERY AM radio manufactured for sale in=20 > the > U.S., it might be a better world and AM would not have died.=A0 I think > consumer would be more than happy with it.=A0 And there would probably=20 > still > be music there.=A0 Hence, my theory that I spoke of a while back.=A0 A ne= w > manufacturing standard for analog AM......and I could still see=20 > something > like that happening if HD does indeed fall on its face.=A0 "Enhanced=20 > AM".=A0 A > brand new standard that includes noise-blanking, 7.5khz or even up to=20 > 10 khz > bandwidth (so you get some nice high end and it doesn't sound muddy)=20 > and of > course, c-quam stereo.=A0 All part of the "enhanced am" standard.=A0 That= =20 > is > about all we could do to clean up the analog sound.=A0 If this came to=20 > be, > then you wouldn't be splattering the dial with all kinds of hash, and=20 > of > course all of the BILLIONS of existing receivers would be compatible=20 > with > it. > My point?=A0 They're trying to clean up the AM band....same reason=20 > they're > using it for FM.=A0 Try to clean up the sound so it's nice and clean and > noiseless. > Does it work?=A0 Yep...to a point.=A0=A0 Will it take off?=A0 Who knows.= =A0 I'd=20 > put my > vote in for IBOC during daytime / C-quam at night.=A0=A0 I'll take whatev= er > c-quam I can get :) > > It is still up to the programmers to do what they need to do to save=20 > AM.=A0 I > agree...it's the content that makes people listen or not.=A0 If I love=20 > Bill > O'Reilly or Don & Mike and I can only hear them on AM, then I'm gonna=20 > listen > to AM.=A0 Same thing we go through in small towns.=A0 Our AM is AM Stereo= =20 > and > plays music.=A0 Would I put a format in there that directly competes=20 > with an > FM doing exactly the same format?=A0 Nope.=A0 We have a new FM that just= =20 > came on > that gets into town loud and clear.=A0 Hot country is the format.=A0 Am I= =20 > gonna > change the AM's format to hot country?=A0 Nope.=A0 People are gonna liste= n=20 > to > the FM because why listen on their crappy AM radio when they can get=20 > the > same thing on FM.=A0 Our format is classic country.=A0 If there were an F= M=20 > in > town doing classic country, would we be doing it on our AM?=A0 Probably=20 > not. > We'd be doing oldies or something else that people can't get anywhere=20 > else. > In big markets there's tons of FM's and therefore it's hard for an AM=20 > to > compete with a format that's on FM.=A0 Just a fact of life.=A0 I think=20 > that's > why so many AMs especially in bigger markets went to talk.=A0 Can't get=20 > talk > on FM.=A0 People will listen to AM, no matter how crappy their radio is,= =20 > if > you give them something to listen to.=A0 In most big cities you'll have=20 > an AM > or two that is indeed doing music.=A0 And what is it?=A0 Usually somethin= g=20 > that > an FM is NOT doing.=A0 Like standards, classic soul, classic country, > nostalgia, spanish.....etc.=A0 Now I will admit....there are still=20 > plenty of > people that like those formats that still won't listen because it's AM. > Most of those are the younger generation.=A0 Ask any kid (15-25 yr old)=20 > out > there.=A0 "Oh I don't listen to AM." and it's because they think it's=20 > muddy > and sounds like crap.=A0 This is where the help of the FCC and strict > manufacturing requirements......"enhanced AM" and so forth comes into=20 > play. > > Anyhoo....maybe I made some valid points or maybe I just have too much=20 > time > on my hands.=A0 Please don't beat me up too bad :) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Sat Jan 31 17:06:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7169 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 01:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 01:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 01:06:35 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:06:34 -0700 To: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:08:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <622DF057-5451-11D8-860D-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The OTHER reason that so many stations are out to get stronger signals. A 1kw signal is going to be much more succeptable to noise than that of a 50kw powerhouse. Even in Salt Lake City where KSL was the ONLY 50kw signal for many many years. Then in the late 80s, KFAM 700 hit the airwaves. (2) 50kw signals in the market. Just a few years ago, ClearChannel decided they wanted 700's 50kw signal so they bought it. Even now their liners say "Utah's 50 thousand watt talk radio alternative...the new KALL 700". Now we have yet another 50kw waiting in the wings. The new 820 signing on soon. I guess they all figure that 50kw can penetrate into every nook and cranny and is a lot less succeptable to noise than a piddly 1kw or 5kw signal. That equals more listeners. Or so they think I guess. Then too I'm big on cleanliness....not loudness and KSL is still the CLEANEST signal in the market. Anyways.... I guess when it comes to interference and static on AM it depends who you're listening to. The weaker signal , the more possiblity of interference. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Richard Wagoner [mailto:rwagoner@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:56 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions Funny. I haven't really heard static on AM on strong signals in years. I remember listening to KCBQ from San Diego at my house in San Pedro/Los Angeles (something that I assume couldn't be done with IBOC) during the mid 1970s and having a half-second static burst occasionally ... never did figure out what caused that ... but I listen to KFI and KLAC (and some others) ... static just isn't an issue in this area. Perhaps in areas that actually get rain ... I absolutely respect Tom and Kerry's opinions and expertise, however. While I am not convinced about IBOC's supposed good sound, I can't imagine either one of them purposely doing something that they believe is bad. And the fact that they are trying it is good ... without people trying it out, we really wouldn't know if it is good or bad. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sat Jan 31 17:32:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87649 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 01:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 01:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 01:32:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2004 01:30:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:30:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 793 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq It depends on what your definition of clean is. To me a signal that is chock full of compression artifacts is not clean. It's garbage. Well, HD > on AM is just like that. It is extremely clean. Very quiet and clean in > most cases. > I'm not pushing IBOC. I'm not saying it's going to save AM. But I think > I'm seeing the whole point of HD on AM. The improvement that I see is that > it CLEANS IT UP. If you get into an area of high static just what do you think will happen to the digital signal? It wont be worth a damn either. I've got a few spots out here where I bet IBOC will fall on it's face. As far as progrmming goes crap is crap, if it's on AM, FM or IBOC. This isn't the place to discuss this but I challenge one New York City station to do what WWKB has done. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 31 18:33:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73486 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 02:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 02:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 02:33:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2004 02:32:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 02:32:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1190 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.2 Subject: Re: WWKB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As far as progrmming goes crap is crap, if it's on AM, FM or IBOC. > This isn't the place to discuss this but I challenge one New York > City station to do what WWKB has done. Across the border in Northern NJ, one station has -- 1250 WMTR in Morristown, which recently flipped to "Classic Oldies" and replaced stale satellite music with live, local DJs. They're also simulcasting on daytime-only 1170 WWTR in central NJ. These two signals actually do reach into NYC a bit, mostly covering Staten Island and the western portion of Brooklyn. In fact, in one of their "Here's what listeners are saying about our new format"-type promo, they feature a bus driver from Brooklyn who listens to the station. But I do agree, 1520 WWKB's music format is excellent. Jack Armstrong is a real character and even though his show is voice- tracked, he does it with so much energy and such brilliant wit that it sounds much more "live" than many live DJs. But what's up with their signal? It seems like every other night, they keep switching their AM Stereo pilot on or off. One night it's on, then the next night it's off... etc. Why don't they just leave it on all the time? From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Jan 31 19:19:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1386 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 03:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 03:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11901.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.185) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 03:19:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20040201031907.52905.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.208.103] by web11901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:19:07 PST Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:19:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.185 From: "Tn S." Subject: Radio Unica?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone got info. as to when Radio Unica is supposed to sign off and turn over to Multicultural?? I was told by a former Unica employee that today was the last day, but I just tuned in WNMA/1210 here in Miami and they seem to be status quo, and announcing special broadcasts that will take place in 8 days...Unless it's a repeat show, things appear pretty normal at Unica...I was told by another Unica employee that contracts are pending until June, but I find that date to be a bit over the line. -Tony --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Jan 31 19:30:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33664 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 03:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 03:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.202.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 03:30:26 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040201031126016002cuf8e>; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 03:11:28 +0000 To: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:11:29 -0500 Message-ID: <003301c3e871$1b303b00$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.64 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WWKB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Even when WWKB's stereo pilot is on, is there ever any separation? I don't think I've heard any.=20 Another station close to that frequency, also with a music format is 1540 WPTR. I wish they'd turn it back on, their signal usually booms in here. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:33 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WWKB > As far as progrmming goes crap is crap, if it's on AM, FM or IBOC.=20 > This isn't the place to discuss this but I challenge one New York=20 > City station to do what WWKB has done. Across the border in Northern NJ, one station has -- 1250 WMTR in=20 Morristown, which recently flipped to "Classic Oldies" and replaced=20 stale satellite music with live, local DJs.=A0 They're also=20 simulcasting on daytime-only 1170 WWTR in central NJ.=A0 These two=20 signals actually do reach into NYC a bit, mostly covering Staten=20 Island and the western portion of Brooklyn.=A0 In fact, in one of their=20 "Here's what listeners are saying about our new format"-type promo,=20 they feature a bus driver from Brooklyn who listens to the station. But I do agree, 1520 WWKB's music format is excellent.=A0 Jack=20 Armstrong is a real character and even though his show is voice-=20 tracked, he does it with so much energy and such brilliant wit that=20 it sounds much more "live" than many live DJs.=A0 But what's up with=20 their signal?=A0 It seems like every other night, they keep switching=20 their AM Stereo pilot on or off.=A0 One night it's on, then the next=20 night it's off... etc.=A0 Why don't they just leave it on all the time? Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ =A0=20 =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =A0=20 =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 From michaelj@vcn.com Sat Jan 31 20:15:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45813 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 04:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 04:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 04:14:57 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:14:34 -0700 To: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:16:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very good points! (man now I know how Kerry and Tom feel) CLEAN...as in quiet and no static pops and spikes or buzz from power lines. I know it's not "clean" otherwise and I agree the compression artifacts and so forth sound like crap. Like I said...I'd rather put up with the pops or static or buzz and have a clean C-quam signal that sounds real, not compressed. I'm just saying what THEY (Ibiquity, HD supporters) are probably saying. Pointing out that this is probably what THEY are trying to get across. As I said, I don't support IBOC. I don't like it. I don't like the sound. I think CRAP has killed radio in general. Not just the AM or the FM band. Crap IS crap. No matter what band it is on. It is sad to see the bands filled with so much crap. sad time for radio... Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: wa2fnq [mailto:wa2fnq@optonline.net] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:31 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions It depends on what your definition of clean is. To me a signal that is chock full of compression artifacts is not clean. It's garbage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 31 22:44:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51581 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 06:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 06:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 06:44:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2004 06:43:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 06:43:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1247 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.7 Subject: Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > I think CRAP has killed radio in general. Not just the AM or the FM band. > Crap IS crap. No matter what band it is on. It is sad to see the bands > filled with so much crap. > > sad time for radio... I agree with this. I apologize for my previous terseness- I have a bad headache, and I'm a bit more than pissed off at what's happening around me, especially radio in general, and AM stereo in particular, and I feel like there aren't that many who will carry on with the cause. Perhaps it's best if I disappear for a while- I'm not that important or necessary here. I just felt I had to say what I said. If some of you think it was a personal attack, I can't persuade you to think otherwise- It was not intended to be that. I would NEVER stoop so low to ad-hominem attacks like some have in the past (you know who you are), and I would rather not be a party to it. I don't respect ALL engineers- Just those I feel have truly dedicated themselves enough to solve their problems, instead of just sayingt "it can't be done", or "it's just a waste of time". I'm sorry I offended anyone. I'll leave you all alone for a while. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From aalso@aug.com Sat Jan 31 22:54:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@aug.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44259 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 06:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 06:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 06:54:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2004 06:53:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 06:53:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 548 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: aalso@aug.com X-Originating-IP: 68.17.228.85 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113361134 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr That's almost correct.. It's WSOS 1170 AM Stereo with a whopping 710 Watts of daytime power. Also don't miss our 10 Watts of presunrise authority! I'm still working out some minor bugs with it. But it's getting where I wanted it. When I was doing the audio alignment the co-located FM was messing with my stereo monitor so I'll have to wait to do the fine alignment until I can turn the FM off for an hour or so. Alan Alsobrook CE WSOS > As best as I can remember from the post, the station is WFOY, St Augustine at 1170 am and 700 watts. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 01 04:41:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62688 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 12:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 12:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 12:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.14.75 with login) by smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 12:41:12 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c3e8bf$f18db760$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 04:35:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.187 From: Subject: kabl has a webcast!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hay guys kabl has a live web cast at www.960kabl.com . Thay sound graet. I wish i could get them live on the radio for one i have a local on 950 am and i am tofar any way. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Feb 01 06:00:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69748 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 14:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 14:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 14:00:43 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 57A87C0A0; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 06:00:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id GAA14436; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 06:00:31 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRova6KDZtNbBIRr/QIlN2oEILAWgIUe/cj257FsbrJaYTwGflLW3bs77Y= Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:00:31 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, ABDX@topica.com Cc: billsnyder@webtv.net Message-ID: <8882-401D067F-501@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Historic Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Slightly off topic, but worth it. Today Feb 1st, 2004 marks the 50th anniversary of the passing of one the greatest pioneers of modern radio, the late Major Edwin Armstrong, inventor of the regenerative circuit and of the super heterodyne receiver that every modern , conventional am and fm receiver with a IF uses, And the father of FM radio broadcasting having built W2XMN in Alpine, NJ. At the time of Major Armstrong's death in 1954, commercial FM radio was largely considered a failure -- many early stations were going dark, but look at the prominence of FM stations, today. Standard Definition ( NTSC ) Television uses FM for the sound, also. So the next time you use a two way radio, or listen to your favorite FM broadcast station, just remember the man who helped make it all possible. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Feb 01 06:32:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9343 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 14:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 14:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 14:32:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2004 14:32:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:32:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1446 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.138.75.13 Subject: Clean, Noise-Free AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I'm wondering if Kerry, being in NYC, is faced with more noise than most of the rest of us. Manhattan must be a bad place for clean AM signals, right? SO MANY skyscrapers and impossible to reach man-made canyons. I'm in flat, flat, flat Dallas, so even the weak AM's, say 10 kw, sound pretty clean. The 50 kw stations don't have a static problem at all. We DO get nasty, tornadic thunderstorms here; and, for those situations, AM is the only place to be, static or no. The serious radio meteorologists are ALL on AM stations here in Dallas. And you can't depend on your cable TV to stay on during a thunderstorm, so battery powered AM is, literally, a life saver. I also restore old wooden tube radios (the cabinets, not the electronics... yet). And that little bit of soft fuzziness of the AM signal is SO cozy. It's the only way to listen to old standards, swing jazz... and pre-Beatles rock n roll, of course. By the way... one more opinion. For Talk Radio, I think AM is actually the more listenable medium. You don't get ear fatigue... and, thanks to that soft fuzzy bit of noise, you don't hear some of the little things that can really be a turn off... like a host who won't clear his or her throat, or who needs to swallow all the saliva in his mouth. We've got a few FM-Talkers here in Dallas, and FM brings some of these people a little TOO close to my ear for comfort, if you see what I'm saying... ; ) From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 01 07:12:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33576 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 15:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 15:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 15:12:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20040201151200.18962.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Feb 2004 07:12:00 PST Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:12:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Clean, Noise-Free AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Douglas B." wrote: > I'm wondering if Kerry, being in NYC, is faced with > more noise than most of the rest > of us. Manhattan must be a bad place for clean AM > signals, right? SO MANY > skyscrapers and impossible to reach man-made > canyons. Well flat has nothing to do with it. Ground conductivity in NYC is exceptionally bad. And I think the NE Georgia and Atlanta area is even worse, being at BEST 0.5. Where a friend has WNEG in Toccoa, Georgia, the map shows a conductivity of 2, whereas when it was measured it actually was 0.1 !! This has a big factor, and all of the metro area must actually attenuate conductivity from what the map says, and remember the maps you see were VERY hastily plotted in the 50's. > I'm in flat, flat, flat Dallas, so even the weak > AM's, say 10 kw, sound pretty clean. The > 50 kw stations don't have a static problem at all. > We DO get nasty, tornadic > thunderstorms here; and, for those situations, AM is > the only place to be, static or no. > The serious radio meteorologists are ALL on AM > stations here in Dallas. And you > can't depend on your cable TV to stay on during a > thunderstorm, so battery powered > AM is, literally, a life saver. The conductivity there is at least a 15 so radio stations your way go WAAAAY farther than where we are in the EAST! > I also restore old wooden tube radios (the cabinets, > not the electronics... yet). And > that little bit of soft fuzziness of the AM signal > is SO cozy. It's the only way to listen > to old standards, swing jazz... and pre-Beatles rock > n roll, of course. Welllll, my Zenith High Fidelity from the late 50's sounds as good as most FM radios....ON AM! The FM is good on those too, but...well ....FM stands for Fuzzy Modulation.....right? > By the way... one more opinion. For Talk Radio, I > think AM is actually the more > listenable medium. You don't get ear fatigue... > and, thanks to that soft fuzzy bit of > noise, you don't hear some of the little things that > can really be a turn off... like a > host who won't clear his or her throat, or who needs > to swallow all the saliva in his > mouth. We've got a few FM-Talkers here in Dallas, > and FM brings some of these > people a little TOO close to my ear for comfort, if > you see what I'm saying... ; ) Well,no, unless the processing is screwy. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From Plutonyum@verizon.net Sun Feb 01 07:12:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Plutonyum@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72371 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 15:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 15:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 15:12:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2004 15:10:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:10:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 393 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 151.197.119.251 Subject: TM-152 to 1710 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=164360688 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian It has been a LONG time since I have posted. I have been through quite a bit in the last 8 months, but that's a story for another time (when everybody has had a few drinks). ;) I have a TM-152, & wanted to know how to get it to receive up to 1710 kHz. I know it can be done, I just want to do it the RIGHT way. Please let me know, as I do not want to wreck this tuner of mine! Tony From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Feb 01 07:31:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97990 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 15:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 15:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41009.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.8) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 15:31:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20040201153039.48345.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.43.167] by web41009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Feb 2004 07:30:39 PST Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:30:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.8 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Alan, It's Jay Rogers here, a former WFCF D.J.. I saw your EAS article in the November issue of some mag. I need to ask a few things because our EAS is not up to code. We're trying to fix that but our sister station is not. Please e-mail me off-line @ a1asurfradio@yahoo.com. Thanks, Jay Rogers P.D.-WPEP __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Feb 01 07:33:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2681 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 15:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 15:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 15:33:40 -0000 Received: from storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 0897110758 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id HAA22561; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:27:54 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR7YFAmFaf4wBKwXRvr6Sdre9OpmAIUR9o+3EwOmOV1OnM5+SydiHb5Wjg= Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 09:27:54 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <14384-401D1AFA-93@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 1 Feb 2004 14:32:38 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1071 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 What's this about a "new" 50 Kw 820 in Utah?? I sure hope they drop power or are directional at night. I'd be real upset if I can't get WBAP Fort Worth / Dallas, TX at night. I would think they would need a null towards the south east at night to protect WBAP. Last time I checked WBAP was still ((( stereo ))). Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From castellano105@yahoo.com Sun Feb 01 07:42:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74083 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 15:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 15:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 15:42:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20040201154226.15695.qmail@web60206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.72.79] by web60206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Feb 2004 07:42:26 PST Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:42:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040201151200.18962.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.101 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Clean, Noise-Free AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 I remenber living in NYC from 1967 to 1979 and I remember that you could get clean long distan AM Mono their With Radio towers on the Empire State Bulding and later on the Thwin Towers,the same for TV with rabbit ears and loop antenas. The time of free TV and Radio. --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- "Douglas B." wrote: > > I'm wondering if Kerry, being in NYC, is faced > with > > more noise than most of the rest > > of us. Manhattan must be a bad place for clean AM > > signals, right? SO MANY > > skyscrapers and impossible to reach man-made > > canyons. > > > > Well flat has nothing to do with it. Ground > conductivity in NYC is exceptionally bad. And I > think > the NE Georgia and Atlanta area is even worse, being > at BEST 0.5. Where a friend has WNEG in Toccoa, > Georgia, the map shows a conductivity of 2, whereas > when it was measured it actually was 0.1 !! This > has > a big factor, and all of the metro area must > actually > attenuate conductivity from what the map says, and > remember the maps you see were VERY hastily plotted > in > the 50's. > > > > I'm in flat, flat, flat Dallas, so even the weak > > AM's, say 10 kw, sound pretty clean. The > > 50 kw stations don't have a static problem at all. > > > We DO get nasty, tornadic > > thunderstorms here; and, for those situations, AM > is > > the only place to be, static or no. > > The serious radio meteorologists are ALL on AM > > stations here in Dallas. And you > > can't depend on your cable TV to stay on during a > > thunderstorm, so battery powered > > AM is, literally, a life saver. > > The conductivity there is at least a 15 so radio > stations your way go WAAAAY farther than where we > are > in the EAST! > > > > I also restore old wooden tube radios (the > cabinets, > > not the electronics... yet). And > > that little bit of soft fuzziness of the AM signal > > is SO cozy. It's the only way to listen > > to old standards, swing jazz... and pre-Beatles > rock > > n roll, of course. > > Welllll, my Zenith High Fidelity from the late 50's > sounds as good as most FM radios....ON AM! The FM > is > good on those too, but...well ....FM stands for > Fuzzy > Modulation.....right? > > > > By the way... one more opinion. For Talk Radio, I > > think AM is actually the more > > listenable medium. You don't get ear fatigue... > > and, thanks to that soft fuzzy bit of > > noise, you don't hear some of the little things > that > > can really be a turn off... like a > > host who won't clear his or her throat, or who > needs > > to swallow all the saliva in his > > mouth. We've got a few FM-Talkers here in Dallas, > > and FM brings some of these > > people a little TOO close to my ear for comfort, > if > > you see what I'm saying... ; ) > > > Well,no, unless the processing is screwy. > > > Powell > > > > ===== > powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Feb 01 08:31:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90256 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 16:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 16:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.194) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 16:31:15 -0000 Received: from storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 8484E10867 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 08:31:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id IAA24010; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 08:31:10 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQduq1gkg4uA/wT1jkcOl1nRZXngQIUMjgk3of3XzOfiKlub3Ac4uTLByg= Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 10:31:09 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <13863-401D29CD-266@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 1 Feb 2004 14:32:38 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.194 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM is King during Tornadoes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Doug in Dallas is right about AM being the place to be when bad, bad weather breaks out. When I lived in Dallas, WBAP and KRLD were the place to tune for severe weather coverage. Also, Channel 8 WFAA-TV always went all out on tornado alerts, They even have NOAA weather radio in their SAP sub-channel. Here in Omaha, we have the same problem with those nasty, tornadic storms every so often.... The last bad one hit Council Bluffs in 1988. I live at tornado alley aka (Ralston), The big 1975 tornado passed a 1/4 mile east of my location, hitting both Ralston and Omaha, same with the historic 1913 twister. Ralston and much of central and north Omaha was devastated in that one. The Major AM's KFAB, KKAR/KOIL , KOMJ all tend to go into simulcast with their FM sister stations in their respective groups when the EAS gets activated for a tornado warning. The last time we had an EAS activation, It was funny to hear "Uncle Neil" giving all eight "Waitt Radio" call signs KKAR, KQKQ, KOIL.... confusing, is it not? I agree that the strong AM's are the usual place for weather warnings. BTW - Somewhere back in the eighties I was eating at a restaurant when a tornado warning came up, everyone ushered into the safest area, The Muzak switched to storm coverage, KFAB went off the air when the roof of the transmitter building was blown off, thankfully the 500 foot towers withstood the wind. They announced, " hey, if your still with us here on FM 100, you probably figured out that KFAB is off the air....." It took a while for things to get back to normal at the KFAB transmitter site. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Feb 01 08:41:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18387 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 16:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 16:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 16:41:35 -0000 Received: from [207.173.146.199] (d210-osel-phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.199]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id i11Gf0506512 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 09:41:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 09:40:14 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1075645958.9446.9353.m12@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: MJR: AM v. FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > And that's why FM became what it > is today. I can say this speaking from experience. I remember being a kid > and thinking exactly the same thing. "WOW!! FM is SO clean!!" Well, HD > on AM is just like that. It is extremely clean. Very quiet and clean in > most cases. Having lived through the time when FM became predominant, I can tell you exactly why FM blew AM away. FM got some excellent programming. There was music that was NOT top-40. People were attracted to the free form style of programming of the day in the 60s and early 70s. If this had not happened, no one would listen to FM and it would be nothing but classical and elevator music losing money as it did before the change to free form rock and jazz programming. The programming will be what makes XM bigger than AM and FM in the long run and IBAC, HD or buzz-o-matic radio, whatever you want to call it. Its the programming. People will put up with a lot of shit to hear what they like. Kevin From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Feb 01 09:24:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25604 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 17:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 17:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 17:24:45 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040201172445.IDQX244.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:24:45 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 09:24:40 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <84815439-54DB-11D8-9B90-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.244 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} MJR: AM v. FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Exactly right. I do not recall ANYONE talking about the difference in=20 sound quality, or static, or anything of the sort. In fact, if it was=20 the sound quality, why were so many FM converters sold for cars? They=20 certainly wouldn't have sounded any better. In my opinion, sound=20 quality has very little to do with popularity. But FM was where you could hear different programming. Janis Joplin.=20 Led Zeppelin. New Riders of the Purple Sage. Personalities and programmers such as Tom Donahue, Sam Bellamy, Shana=20 (who herself made the switch from AM top-40 to FM AOR). It was most certainly not sound that moved people to FM in Los Angeles.=20 It was KMET, KLOS and such who attracted them, combined with AM=20 programmers and consultants such as John Sebastian (and later Walter=20 Sabo) who PUSHED them there. Maxing out the AM commercial load didn't=20 help things either, since FM at the time ran a very light commercial=20 load. Richard On Sunday, February 1, 2004, at 08:40 AM, kevin, Mesa, AZ wrote: > > And that's why FM became what it > > is today.=A0 I can say this speaking from experience.=A0 I remember=20 > being a kid > > and thinking exactly the same thing.=A0 "WOW!!=A0 FM is SO clean!!"=A0= =A0=A0=20 > Well, HD > > on AM is just like that.=A0 It is extremely clean.=A0 Very quiet and=20 > clean in > > most cases. > > Having lived through the time when FM became predominant, I can tell=20 > you > exactly why FM blew AM away. > > FM got some excellent programming. There was music that was NOT top-40. > People were attracted to the free form style of programming of the day=20 > in > the 60s and early 70s. > > If this had not happened, no one would listen to FM and it would be=20 > nothing > but classical and elevator music losing money as it did before the=20 > change to > free form rock and jazz programming. > > The programming will be what makes XM bigger than AM and FM in the=20 > long run > and IBAC, HD or buzz-o-matic radio, whatever you want to call it. > > Its the programming. People will put up with a lot of shit to hear=20 > what they > like. > > Kevin > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Sun Feb 01 13:00:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84328 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 21:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 21:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 21:00:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2004 21:00:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 21:00:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 824 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > If you're getting this, chasnces are your array was badly phased, > which tells me alot about the engineer of a station, if the signal's > phase and Q is that bad. > Amy: To be fair, many times a situation like this has nothing to do with the engineer at the station....he may have been told by management that the station "works", and no, he can't have the $ to modify the antenna coupling networks to lower the Q of the antenna. Unfortunately, in far too many stations, unless the manager or owner percieves it as broken, there will be no $ allocated for "foolish things that the listeners won't notice". Been there, done that, with a statement like this from a manager. I left that station about 2 months later. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Sun Feb 01 13:04:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56731 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 21:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 21:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 21:04:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2004 21:04:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 21:04:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 743 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: C-Quam and HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Douglas: The analog is restricted to 5kHz.....the digital information starts at something like 5.02kHz.....any information from the analog signal getting into the digital data stream may corrupt the stream and you would not be able to decode it. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > I'm not an engineer... (I changed my major to Broadcast Journalism after just one year > of Aerospace), so I have to rely on you guys for layman explanations for some of > these issues. > > Since HD is a bandwidth hog, why does the accompanying analog signal have to be > restricted to 5 khz? Is HD really only usiing 5 khz while sending noise and other crud > out beyond the 5 khz range? From tomray@wor710.com Sun Feb 01 13:10:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43717 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 21:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 21:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 21:10:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2004 21:10:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 21:10:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002a01c3e7f6$5292f680$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 443 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > With a proper antenna array, 5 KW would give you great penetration in your > COL. Jim: On the contrary. With all the electrical noise in and around New York City, there are places in our COL where we have trouble with 50KW. Cutting back the power wouldn't do much.....and adding extra stations on 710 would just raise the noise floor even more. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Sun Feb 01 13:14:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61845 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 21:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 21:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 21:14:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2004 21:13:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 21:13:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 296 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SFLAG=OPENRELAY ; IPCR=g-w0,n0,g100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.249 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: The > advantage of listening to Bob Grant in HD is he's cleaner with no buzz and > no static. Woah, hold it! Bite your tongue! Bob Grant GENERATES static....or he wouldn't be doing his job!! Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Sun Feb 01 13:19:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39332 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 21:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 21:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 21:19:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2004 21:18:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 21:18:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 616 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Clean, Noise-Free AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > I'm wondering if Kerry, being in NYC, is faced with more noise than most of the rest > of us. Manhattan must be a bad place for clean AM signals, right? It's the whole general area....far too much electrical noise. We also have a disadvantage here in the northeast of poor ground conductivity. Put the same NYC station on the air somewhere in the midwest, and you wouldn't be able to compare the signal levels....the midwest station would blow the NYC station away entirely because of the ground conductivity. Tom Ray WOR From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Feb 01 13:35:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48249 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 21:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 21:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.194) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 21:35:36 -0000 Received: from storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 73DA9108DE for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id NAA03810; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:35:31 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQL11ZwA8aMuy2JD0t/XrNa8js0lQIUW/pLuzp1/WwzjTk1ko96xHX+geo= Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 15:35:31 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <13862-401D7123-763@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 1 Feb 2004 14:32:38 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.194 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Power race X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 RE: Michael"s post about new 50 KW stations... We have the same situation here in Omaha. For years and years, KRVN in Lexington, NE and KFAB Omaha were the only two 50,000 (full time) stations in Nebraska. KFAB 's dominate 50,000 watt signal (Day & Night) effectively makes KFAB an Omaha & Lincoln station, all the Lincoln AM's are like 1 Kw or less. Well Waitt radio bought little old day timer KOTD in Plattsmouth, NE 20 miles south of Omaha, Built a new AM site over in Iowa, and upped the power to 50,000 watts day and 1,000 watts night on 1020. Started out as KKSC Country, and later moved the historic KOIL calls to 1020. KDKA gives the KOIL night signal some trouble, but a lot better than KOTD ever was. I have seen it claimed that KKAR 1290 has applied for 50,000 watts daytime at their tower site which was KOIL's long time home until 1993. They would keep the current 5 KW at night, which seems to serves Omaha real well. This would give Omaha Three 50 Kw daytime stations. More power, more sell so they say.... Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 01 16:12:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30083 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 00:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 00:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 00:12:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20040202001251.89625.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.86] by web60104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:12:51 PST Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:12:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.83 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. > Richard" > wrote: > The > > advantage of listening to Bob Grant in HD is he's > cleaner with no > buzz and > > no static. > > Woah, hold it! Bite your tongue! Bob Grant > GENERATES static....or > he wouldn't be doing his job!! > Tom Ray > WOR What about selective fades? Powell ( ducking!) [ and NO I'm not emulating an EAS test] ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 01 16:23:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69711 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 00:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 00:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 00:23:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20040202002356.25310.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.86] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:23:56 PST Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:23:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Clean, Noise-Free AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." > > wrote: > > I'm wondering if Kerry, being in NYC, is faced > with more noise than > most of the rest > > of us. Manhattan must be a bad place for clean AM > signals, right? > > It's the whole general area....far too much > electrical noise. Yep like Atlanta. > We also have a disadvantage here in the northeast of > poor ground > conductivity. Put the same NYC station on the air > somewhere in the > midwest, and you wouldn't be able to compare the > signal levels....the > midwest station would blow the NYC station away > entirely because of > the ground conductivity. > Tom Ray > WOR Just a half mile from me the soil turns to pure white sand. Guess what kind of conductivity that is? At Edmund, SC where a ham buddy lives it is 15 miles out. The Columbia SC AM's come in FAR worse than where I work in Newberry, SC and that's 40 miles NW. Powell > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 01 16:24:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8981 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 00:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 00:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 00:24:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2004 00:23:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 00:23:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1144 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.6 Subject: Re: C-Quam and HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The analog is restricted to 5kHz.....the digital information starts > at something like 5.02kHz.....any information from the analog > signal getting into the digital data stream may corrupt the stream > and you would not be able to decode it. But yet, WOR's audio processing creates splattery "ringing" distortion which extends up to at least 8 kHz and are clearly audible on any wideband or even medium-bandwidth receiver. This is a known fault of the Optimod 9200 whenever it's set to a 5.0 kHz cut-off, and happens regardless if the IBOC sidebands are in use or not. When WOR was using 5 kHz audio at night, this type of distortion was present, just as it is now during the daytime with IBOC on. But whenever the Optimod is set to 6 kHz audio bandwidth -- again, with IBOC either or or off -- then this "ringing" distortion disappears completely. The distortion that I speak of is audible in the following audio samples from WOR, as received on their modulation monitor with 5 kHz analog audio and IBOC in use: http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/wor_mod_mon.wav http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/mod_monitor.wav From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 01 16:33:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28588 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 00:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 00:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 00:33:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20040202003331.92207.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.86] by web60104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:33:31 PST Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:33:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.83 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > Jim: > > On the contrary. > > With all the electrical noise in and around New York > City, there are > places in our COL where we have trouble with 50KW. > Cutting back the > power wouldn't do much.....and adding extra stations > on 710 would > just raise the noise floor even more. > Tom Ray > WOR Well the first part is true, BUT if the NAB wants to give IBOC night authorization by lifting the skywave protection opens a VERY large Pandora's BOX. ALL of the daytimers and those that have flea powers will be applying for substantial night power, and if refused, there will be so many lawsuits.....we'll all be dead before this is settled. MARK MY WORDS! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 01 17:47:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35646 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 01:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 01:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 01:47:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2004 01:47:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 01:47:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040202003331.92207.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 824 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.6 Subject: Re: IBOC & skywave - not a good mix! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Well the first part is true, BUT if the NAB wants to > give IBOC night authorization by lifting the skywave > protection opens a VERY large Pandora's BOX. It's already happening. This afternoon, an hour before local sunset, I heard 1030 WBZ's IBOC signal blasting away hash on top of local 1040 WCHR, and 1530 WSAI's digital hash clobbering semi-local 1540 WNWR. The FCC likes to pretend that skywave reception never happens before sunset or after sunrise... but in the real world, it frequently does-- often strongly enough that even pure analog reception of local stations can be affected. For example, there is a local 243-watt daytimer on 1170 kHz, and unless I have my antenna adjusted carefully, they often mix with Wheeling, WV's 1170 WWVA for the first and last 30-45 minutes of their broadcast day. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 01 17:49:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67590 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 01:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 01:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 01:49:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2004 01:49:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 01:49:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 786 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.6 Subject: Kenwood IBOC radio = lousy AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the Radio-Tech list.... [RT] IBOC radio Lowell Kiesow radio-tech@broadcast.net Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:34:14 -0800 Tim, My experience is with the Kenwood KTC-HR100 HD adapter, which replaces the AM/FM tuner section in the standard radio. The standard radio is used as a control head. With that combination, the FM (analog) section is great, the HD section is great, but the AM section isn't so hot. It has good AM sensitivity, but the high frequency response is rather dismal compared to other radios that I'm used to. At 02:58 PM 1/20/04, you wrote: > Lowell, > > Just out of curiosity, how does the Kenwood's analog section > perform; especially the AM band? I'm looking for a good all-around > radio to replace my OEM. > > Tim Mauch, CBT > Mauch 5 Communications From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Feb 01 19:13:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57162 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 03:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 03:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 03:13:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2004 03:12:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 03:12:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 465 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.80 Subject: Filter Catalogs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst There are some ceramic filter catalogs available at ftp.amstereoradio.com in the uploads directory LFC-Toko-4element-ceramic.pdf LFY-Toko-6element-ceramic.pdf Toko-lfc_lfy_.pdf muRata-p10e5-ceramic.pdf muRata_P-03-A_CeramicFiltersCatalog-1991.pdf The large muRata (12MB) catalog is quite informative about ceramic filters and how to use them. These filters will provide wide bandwidth while maintaining good rejection of 2nd adjacent and higher stations. JSG From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Feb 01 19:38:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3106 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 03:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 03:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 03:38:52 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.7e.45f2dc81 (18555) for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:38:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7e.45f2dc81.2d4f2034@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:38:28 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.100 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-Quam and HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/1/04 7:25:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > But yet, WOR's audio processing creates splattery "ringing"=20 > distortion which extends up to at least 8 kHz and are clearly audible=20 > on any wideband or even medium-bandwidth receiver. This is a known=20 > fault of the Optimod 9200 whenever it's set to a 5.0 kHz cut-off, and=20 > happens regardless if the IBOC sidebands are in use or not. When WOR=20 > was using 5 kHz audio at night, this type of distortion was present,=20 > just as it is now during the daytime with IBOC on. But whenever the=20 > Optimod is set to 6 kHz audio bandwidth -- again, with IBOC either or=20 > or off -- then this "ringing" distortion disappears completely. >=20 Ahhhh let me see here.....if there was actual splatter extending up to=20 8khz,wouldnt that be causing great difficulties with the digital carriers 5= .02kc=20 above and below center of the carrier? Clearly the audio and its "by-products" are cut off at 5khz as to avoid=20 decoding errors of the digital mode. Something doesnt add up here and my calculator has fresh batteries. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 01:02:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55202 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 09:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 09:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 09:02:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2004 09:02:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 09:02:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7e.45f2dc81.2d4f2034@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1115 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.6 Subject: Re: C-Quam and HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Ahhhh let me see here.....if there was actual splatter extending up > to 8khz,wouldnt that be causing great difficulties with the digital > carriers 5.02kc above and below center of the carrier? > Clearly the audio and its "by-products" are cut off at 5khz as to > avoid decoding errors of the digital mode. If WOR chose to use the IBOC exciter's _internal_ 5 kHz audio filter, that would be the case... but instead, they use the Optimod 9200's filter set to 5 kHz bandwidth, which causes the "ringing" distortion. On a spectrum analysis graph of WOR's modulation monitor audio sample, you can see the "ringing" distortion quite clearly: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wor-spec.gif That "sine-wave"-like waveform you see extending from 5 to about 8.5 kHz is not caused by the IBOC digital sidebands... it is a byproduct of the analog audio processing, as I just described. If WOR were transmitting "dead air" with the IBOC sidebands on, you would not see this in the spectrum graph... just a flat line from 5 to about 9.6 kHz, much like the primary IBOC sideband that extends from ~10 to ~15 kHz. From amstereo@optushome.com.au Mon Feb 02 01:19:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12109 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 09:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 09:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail010.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 09:18:58 -0000 Received: from athlon (c210-49-77-201.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.77.201]) by mail010.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id i129IAl32380 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:18:10 +1100 Message-ID: <001d01c3e96d$80b8fd20$1b02a8c0@athlon> To: References: <1075561388.343.74307.m12@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:18:20 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 211.29.132.56 From: "amstereo" Subject: Kenwood HD tuners? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e I have a question, These kenwood units, Obviously, they must have direct access to the IF and L+R Feeds back into the tuner? - external module? My guessing is, the IF section must me well in to the 15khz range, So what is stopping a user / company from tapping these points, and (using the HD triggers) RUN A C-QUAM Unit which will give you a (supposivly) clean RF feed, 15kHz bandwidth (with forced 5kHz i\using the analogue only setting) Anyone got access to one of these units to see what you can access?. This is one unit I believe you CAN mod. -any takers?- From amstereo@optushome.com.au Mon Feb 02 01:37:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87339 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 09:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 09:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 09:37:45 -0000 Received: from athlon (c210-49-77-201.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.77.201]) by mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id i129bWe10801 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:37:33 +1100 Message-ID: <002701c3e970$37efb090$1b02a8c0@athlon> To: References: <1075653431.175.57693.m12@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:37:46 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 211.29.132.67 From: "amstereo" Subject: Re:TM-152 to 1710 kHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e on the tuning cap (linked to the tuning cord / dial). there are small brass screw type slots. Get a screw driver with a plastic handle. tune to a high station ~ 1400k, turn one screw slightly (2 -3 degrees) the station should tune out, rotate the tuner dial slightly, the station should re-tune, now If this station drifts lower down the band scale, tune right up to the high end and rotate the screw til you get the high stations. IF this doesn't help, re-turn the screw back to the orig position then move to the next screw. (theres 4 usually). From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Feb 02 06:57:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48860 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 14:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 14:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 14:57:26 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 07:56:06 -0700 Message-ID: <005001c3e99c$af6779b0$5401010a@AM> To: References: <14384-401D1AFA-93@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 07:56:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1071 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yup, WBAP is still stereo. Confirmed that this weekend :) And yep, they're going to be highly directional. Drove out to the middle of a big field 20 miles to the west of Provo last summer to see the site. It's a pretty neat site....6 towers in the array. Very directional. I don't think they'll be bothering WBAP. I know there's some folks in Utah that are sorry they won't be able to hear WBAP once this station hits the air. Originally constructed and owned by Simmons, but recently sold to Bonneville. John Dehnel over at KSL (Bonneville's flagship) is kinda tight lipped about the plans for it. Calls are going to be KUTR. Last I heard it was going to be just another chatter. More talk radio for Utah. Just what they need. Geez, there's only 10 news/talk/sports stations on their AM dial already. Guess that means they need another one. (grumble). Last I heard they were trying to apply to up their critical hours and nighttime power. And from what I heard it will be sometime later this year when it hits the air. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: oldphones@webtv.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:27 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1071 What's this about a "new" 50 Kw 820 in Utah?? I sure hope they drop power or are directional at night. I'd be real upset if I can't get WBAP Fort Worth / Dallas, TX at night. I would think they would need a null towards the south east at night to protect WBAP. Last time I checked WBAP was still ((( stereo ))). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Feb 02 07:14:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28107 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 15:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 15:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 15:14:20 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 08:13:52 -0700 Message-ID: <006b01c3e99f$2b341010$5401010a@AM> To: References: <84815439-54DB-11D8-9B90-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 08:13:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} MJR: AM v. FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Well I guess I was wrong, then. I was just basing things on how I felt as a kid. I remember thinking how clear and clean it was. And I've seen Kerry and Tom say it many times about "well in the conference room where we always had buzz from fluorescent lights and computers, WOR was clean and buzz/static-free." I was just saying this is what they are saying. Man did I start a war or what? I'm just as against it as the rest of you. I hate the thought of the AM band being filled with hash, especially now that I got to hear it myself when KXNT 840 had it running at night. I admit it, I was wrong. I was wrong. Very wrong. It's the programming, not the clarity. Some of my favorite talk shows are on AM. I listen because I want to hear the shows. I'd listen if the shows were on FM. I'm listening for the programming. If there was a great oldies station on AM I'd listen. I listen to the radio for the programming. If it's what I want, I don't care if it's AM or FM. Am I on the right track now? MJR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" To: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:24 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} MJR: AM v. FM Exactly right. I do not recall ANYONE talking about the difference in sound quality, or static, or anything of the sort. In fact, if it was the sound quality, why were so many FM converters sold for cars? They certainly wouldn't have sounded any better. In my opinion, sound quality has very little to do with popularity. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 09:00:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48926 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 17:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 17:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 17:00:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2004 16:58:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 16:58:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c3e96d$80b8fd20$1b02a8c0@athlon> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 154 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: Kenwood HD tuners? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 I have another question: Where are these tuners?? Not in my neighborhood!!! Most salespeople here don't even know what an "HD Radio" is yet!! -tony From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 02 11:10:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3130 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 19:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 19:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 19:10:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2004 19:09:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:09:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 193 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: C-Quam and HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Been there/done that with the iBiquity filter..... Their filter rolls off starting at 4kHz.....and sounds like dog poop. It's awful! That's why we're using the filter in the Optimod. T From krichards@wor710.com Mon Feb 02 13:13:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21501 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 21:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 21:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 21:13:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2004 21:12:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:12:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 7822 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.174.241 Subject: The HD Radio Questions Continue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Well it seems that since I posted here last week the same old characters and replies have come through in the way of many emails. I want to thank all of you who wrote, except one or two of you who wrote with the same old stuff which I really did not need to see again. But you have to take the good with the bad. Most of us are very friendly here on this Forum. I'll give a few replies here for everyone to see: 1. Yes, I stand corrected in the HD "Core" mode you do still get the data stream rolling across the Radio, but no stereo. The enhanced mode supplies the stereo data. The frequency response is the same in both modes. 2. WOR's analog bandwidth is set to 6.2 khz on the Optimod 9200, we are/were using software from Ibiquity called the WOR patch, to make all this work. We have been told this issue is now standard in all Ibiquity software, so if you want to you can operate out to 6.2khz. We have had no trouble doing this with the HD software and we find it is a good tradeoff for our talk format and the average AM radio now in use by the majority of our listeners. 3. The email from the Harris employee was obviously talking about trouble that can happen with the Kenwood radio, and NO Where did he say the audio sounded like crap, that was an editorial comment from our friend in Toledo, which in my opinion means nothing. When our friend in Toledo gets an HD Radio, tests it in the real world and has some ability to discuss the issues intelligently then he will have useful data which I'm sure we will all want to hear, in the meantime it's just plain old B.S. 4. A "Smith" chart is a common tool used to graphically display the bandwith and measured impeadance of an antenna or phasor component. If you want see what they look like I would recommend the NAB directional handbook as a good place to start further reaqding. I mention this because in the days before we had personal computers, we used these charts to record and display J readings etc of an antenna in an array. Needless to say you want to see a straight line through the expected bandpass of your antenna, hence if there are dips or curves you have a problem, therefore my reference to the "Tilt -a- Whirl" as troublesome. 5. Many C-Quam and Kahn installations were done at a time in the 80's where many arrays had been ignored for years. There were many problems found and this started a whole new protocol in the way we look at antennas and the associated equipment. We suddenly had to deal with IPM and IQM and problems with transmitter power supplies and the actual acheivable bandwidth of the radiator involved. This was the dawn of the start of the current understanding we use when working on any AM array. keep in mind before the FCC approval of AM Stereo the highest proof of performance frequncy you had to pass was 7.5khz. This was also long before the audio processing we have today and the Dorrough DAP was the first multiband processor to come into widestream use which started the whole craze we have today. 6. It seems the same old folks keep harping on the HD radio system and how it works. In the first place I like Kevin's continuing complaint he cannot get WGSM or WPHE in central New Jersey. Lets logically look at the situation: WGSM is licensed to Huntingdon Long Island, not central NJ. They are currently operating with an STA in mono not AM Stereo, and at reduced power. On top of this it's a Korean language station trying to serve Flushing New York where all the Korean market seems to be. There are no protections for this class of station outside it's local coverage area, plain and simple. Anything else is just extra and NOT protected, by the rules. Same goes with WPHE which Kevin also likes to complain about. The NRSC curve is required by all broadcasters and the IBOC envelope meets it under the current standards. Speculation from those on this forum that it is not for IBOC is just that: "speculation". The present spectral curve was put into effect long before IBOC and we all have to live by it since it has not been changed by the FCC. The current HD radio scheme is well within the NRSC curve, and stations transmitting HD must meet it and conform like everybody else. ALSO, see #3 above if you get what I'm saying here..... 7.All of those who complain that HD Radio is going to ruin the AM band, and that AM programming sucks, etc.etc.....As an engineer I have nothing to do with that in the first place, secondly what does that have to do with AM Stereo in the first place? HD is just another system currently in use to deliver AM Stereo, what is programmed is really neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned. It's awfully funny that those complaining about the AM band the loss of C-Quam stereo also complain about the crappy programming THEY do not like. H'mmm, let me think about this; despite the fact that there a some very sucessful AM stations still in operation, tell that one to WFAN who billed almost $60 million dollars last year. They must be doing something right to make that kind of money! By the way WFAN shut off the C-Quam stereo a long time ago. 8. HD will not work with Skywave issues at night, show me the studies to prove. We have not found this an issue in numerous tests. Remember a station is not Protected under the FCC rules outside of their contour, plain and simple. 9. "What will happen when all the stations in NYC turn on the IBOC, there will be nothing but interference". This is a good one.... Numerous studies from Ibiquity have predicted not much will happen, remember not everyone is listening on a wide band radio, only a select few. There may be cases where stations will have to adjust the HD carriers to protect each other but predictions on this seem to be far and few. 10. "I can't get a Kenwood radio and no one in the store knows anything about HD Radio".... Isn't this the same thing we went through at the start of AM Stereo back in the 80's? Try asking about a C-Quam radio today, you will get the same response. WHAT???? By the way YES, the AM response in the new Kenwood HD radio is about 5khz...the Visteon is better. It seems in Kenwood's world all AM analog only needs this limited response for best operation with HD coming on line now. But other Kenwood radios also have this limited AM response where the previous Visteon radios do not. 11. "You really do not like C-Quam and are really working for Ibiquity"...This is great bunch of bull, who care's what I think? I have been through Magnavox, Harris, Motorola, and Kahn AM Stereo systems, the HD system is the new and current way to do AM Stereo. I say we need to wait and see what the marketplace says about the system, until then we need to prepare for it, learn all about it, and deal with all the new issues the HD Radio system presents to us. I have no ax to grind except with those who make little or no logical sense when making crazy claims about how it works, and what it can and cannot do. Seems most of those complaining have never heard an actual HD Radio...does that make sense? The best one of these are those who claim that HD has a terrible Codec and has glitches and a bad algorithym...M'mmm let me think about all the noise in analog AM radio today, everything from Taxicabs to traffic lights with LED's in em.... C-Quam was never an audiophile's dream nor can it be with the current atmospheric situation and NRSC curve, so let's see if the HD audio is a better tradeoff. Sounds pretty good to most and seems to be pretty robust. Marketpklace users will decide this one, not me or anyone on this forum. Hope this answers some of the questions... Thanks, Kerry Richards Chief Engineer WOR-AM Buckley Broadcasting Corporation From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 14:26:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74329 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 22:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 22:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 22:26:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2004 22:26:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:26:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 881 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: The HD Radio Questions Continue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 A "character" speaks: <<10. "I can't get a Kenwood radio and no one in the store knows anything about HD Radio".... Isn't this the same thing we went through at the start of AM Stereo back in the 80's? Try asking about a C-Quam radio today, you will get the same response. WHAT????>> You gotta admit, something's not kosher....The radios made their debut in Cedar Rapids (I think that's where it was) quite a LOOONG time ago.....No reason why they shouldn't have rolled out elsewhere by now.........And if the PR people were smart, they'd be sending the stores info. on the format, so that the High School Kids won't look like they're in Pre-Calculus class next time I ask them about HD Radio....This is like the Grundig Satellit 900 that was supposed to come out in 1995, and we're still waiting to come out....They say it's supposed to come out this year, LOL. -tony From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 14:57:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70136 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 22:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 22:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 22:57:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2004 22:55:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:55:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005001c3e99c$af6779b0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2049 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Digest Number 1071 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key If WBAP goes directional, they had BETTER have at LEAST a 100kW to 200kW (or even 250kW or more) ERP lobe out toward Southern California. I have a bad enough signal as it is with a nearby mexican station normally topping them on that frequency, and would be disappointed if I lost WBAP altogether. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Yup, WBAP is still stereo. Confirmed that this weekend :) And yep, they're going to be highly directional. Drove out to the middle of a big field 20 miles to the west of Provo last summer to see the site. It's a pretty neat site....6 towers in the array. Very directional. I don't think they'll be bothering WBAP. I know there's some folks in Utah that are sorry they won't be able to hear WBAP once this station hits the air. Originally constructed and owned by Simmons, but recently sold to Bonneville. John Dehnel over at KSL (Bonneville's flagship) is kinda tight lipped about the plans for it. Calls are going to be KUTR. Last I heard it was going to be just another chatter. More talk radio for Utah. Just what they need. Geez, there's only 10 news/talk/sports stations on their AM dial already. Guess that means they need another one. (grumble). Last I heard they were trying to apply to up their critical hours and nighttime power. And from what I heard it will be sometime later this year when it hits the air. > > Michael n WYO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: oldphones@w... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:27 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1071 > > > What's this about a "new" 50 Kw 820 in Utah?? I sure hope they > drop power or are directional at night. I'd be real upset if I can't > get WBAP Fort Worth / Dallas, TX at night. I would think they would > need a null towards the south east at night to protect WBAP. Last time > I checked WBAP was still ((( stereo ))). > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Feb 02 15:02:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6132 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 23:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 23:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 23:02:01 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:01:37 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:03:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1071 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit haha! No no...pianoplayer, I meant the NEW 820 in UTAH is going to be highly directional. NOT WBAP. They're not going anywhere or changing anything. The station in UTAH is going to have to protect them and will be extremely directional with a tight pattern pointed north/south at the Salt Lake City metro. I get mixing every night between Sona 820-Mexicalli and WBAP. Last year when the solar storms were going wild I didn't get WBAP at all and had Sona loud and clear. Now I can get WBAP again most nights in stereo. Sona still steps in from time to time. But they're supposed to be only like 500 watts at night or something like that. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: pianoplayer88key [mailto:pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:56 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1071 If WBAP goes directional, they had BETTER have at LEAST a 100kW to 200kW (or even 250kW or more) ERP lobe out toward Southern California. I have a bad enough signal as it is with a nearby mexican station normally topping them on that frequency, and would be disappointed if I lost WBAP altogether. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Yup, WBAP is still stereo. Confirmed that this weekend :) And yep, they're going to be highly directional. Drove out to the middle of a big field 20 miles to the west of Provo last summer to see the site. It's a pretty neat site....6 towers in the array. Very directional. I don't think they'll be bothering WBAP. I know there's some folks in Utah that are sorry they won't be able to hear WBAP once this station hits the air. Originally constructed and owned by Simmons, but recently sold to Bonneville. John Dehnel over at KSL (Bonneville's flagship) is kinda tight lipped about the plans for it. Calls are going to be KUTR. Last I heard it was going to be just another chatter. More talk radio for Utah. Just what they need. Geez, there's only 10 news/talk/sports stations on their AM dial already. Guess that means they need another one. (grumble). Last I heard they were trying to apply to up their critical hours and nighttime power. And from what I heard it will be sometime later this year when it hits the air. > > Michael n WYO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: oldphones@w... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:27 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1071 > > > What's this about a "new" 50 Kw 820 in Utah?? I sure hope they > drop power or are directional at night. I'd be real upset if I can't > get WBAP Fort Worth / Dallas, TX at night. I would think they would > need a null towards the south east at night to protect WBAP. Last time > I checked WBAP was still ((( stereo ))). > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Feb 02 15:26:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65365 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 23:26:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 23:26:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 23:26:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2004 23:24:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:24:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006b01c3e99f$2b341010$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1333 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 210.8.29.151 Subject: Re: {AMSF} MJR: AM v. FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 No MJR you are in fact correct. It all depends on the listeners age - I'm a Gen X'er myself and I believe you are as well (or close to it!?) I definately made the switch to FM in the 80's based on better sound and most of my friends did as well - it just sounded so much better! Naturally the content was there as well - had it not been we would have still been listening to AM, but if there is the same content on AM and FM, or even DAB, naturally people will choose the better sounding alternative. That is human nature! The way to survive on AM is provide superior content - but you have to remember that the younger generation will still favour FM because they have never grown up listening to AM in its glory days. I think out of band Digital Radio is the way to go, it's a shame that looks like it won't be happening in the US in the forseeable future. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Well I guess I was wrong, then. I was just basing things on how I felt as a kid. I remember thinking how clear and clean it was. And I've seen Kerry and Tom say it many times about "well in the conference room where we always had buzz from fluorescent lights and computers, WOR was clean and buzz/static-free." I was just saying this is what they are saying. From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Feb 02 15:44:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40110 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 23:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 23:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.18) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 23:44:34 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:44:33 -0800 Received: from 172.158.155.55 by bay7-dav46.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:44:33 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:37:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2004 23:44:33.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[82640A10:01C3E9E6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.18 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.158.155.55] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 aalso@aug.com wrote: >When I was doing the audio alignment the co-located FM was messing with my stereo monitor so I'll have to wait to do the fine alignment until I can turn the FM off for an hour or so. I would just turn the FM off and tweak the AM. FM is just a passing fad anyway. Soon, all cars will have AM only radios in them again, The kids will be walking around town with a 9-Transistor radio stuck in their ear, and EVERYBODY will have a "All American 5-Tube" radio on the kitchen counter...and Howard Stern along with Bubba The Love Sponge will get the electric chair!....Wouldn't it be nice! Anyway, speaking of Stereo in Florida, anybody else hear WFLA today? Either the radio in the motorhome I was working on was falsing, or WFLA was throwing a C-QUAM pilot with no separation. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Feb 02 15:44:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8711 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 23:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 23:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.122) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 23:44:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:44:38 -0800 Received: from 172.158.155.55 by bay7-dav18.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:44:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <622DF057-5451-11D8-860D-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:43:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2004 23:44:38.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[858D3680:01C3E9E6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.122 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.158.155.55] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio audio quality is crap under real world conditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Richard Wagoner wrote: >Funny. I haven't really heard static on AM on strong signals in years. Then you ain't listened to the radio in a Florida thunderstorm! Kevin From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Feb 02 16:17:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90325 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 00:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 00:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 00:17:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 00:16:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 00:16:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 701 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 210.8.29.151 Subject: Re: C-Quam and HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Hi Tom, Have you thought about giving Frank Foti at Omnia at call! I'm sure he'd gladly send you an Omnia 4.5am to try. http://www.omniaaudio.com/o45am/default.htm http://www.omniaaudio.com/o45am/faq_eng.htm I believe it has a nice 4khz filter - not sure if it's brickwall or not. But the only way to know if it sounds good is to give it a demo! If Orban can't deliver the goods, give the competition a shot! =) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > Been there/done that with the iBiquity filter..... > > Their filter rolls off starting at 4kHz.....and sounds like dog > poop. It's awful! > > That's why we're using the filter in the Optimod. > > > T From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Feb 02 16:26:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61504 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 00:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 00:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 00:26:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 00:25:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 00:25:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 390 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 210.8.29.151 Subject: Re: C-Quam and HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Whoops just read Kerry's email about you using the 6.2khz "WOR" patch. Sounds like it's all been sorted then! Kevin T, is WOR sounding better now it's on 6.2khz? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bofh2k2000" wrote: > I believe it has a nice 4khz filter - not sure if it's brickwall or > not. But the only way to know if it sounds good is to give it a demo! From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 16:35:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66729 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 00:28:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 00:28:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 00:28:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 00:27:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 00:27:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 694 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.172 Subject: Re: {AMSF} MJR: AM v. FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I know I said I was going to lay low for a while, but.... In case many of you have forgotten, FM's succeeding dominance over AM in the mid-late 1970s was a combination of both programming AND better sound quality- A pair of factors that led to the now almost forgotten Disco- era movie "FM", whose theme has survived better than the movie, by Steely Dan, which was subtitled "No Static At All". As for programming, FM was the only place, then, for stadium rock, album rock, and disco- It was the latter that was what drove FM's popularity above AM. The first real Top-40 pop stations on FM emerged around this time period, as well. All the party stations were on FM. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Feb 02 17:02:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51522 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 01:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 01:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 01:02:50 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004020223031001100gd97le>; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 23:03:12 +0000 To: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 18:03:24 -0500 Message-ID: <008601c3e9e0$c87f06e0$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.55 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: Answer from WWKB about stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the reply I got when I inquired about why KB's audio isn't in stereo. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Hank Nevins [mailto:hank@kb1520.com] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:55 AM To: Jeff Lehmann Subject: Re: Question Jeff - Thanks for checking in. Don't expect to hear KB in stereo. Our stereo pilot is on, but the stereo transmitter is not on line. You'll have to settle for mono. Tnx HN @ KB ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Lehmann To: feedback@kb1520.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:17 PM Subject: Question Hi, I really enjoy listening to your station here in Massachusetts most nights. I have an AM Stereo receiver, and I see that your station does light the stereo light. I was wondering why there is no separation between the left and right sides? I can hear several other stations in stereo such as 760 WJR in Detroit, and they sound great. It would be great to hear your music in true AM Stereo, I hope you will consider fixing this problem. Thanks, Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 17:38:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6445 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 01:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 01:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 01:38:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 01:38:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 01:38:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4042 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1071 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Where are you located? I'm a couple miles south of El Cajon (about 15 miles east of San Diego). I can sometimes, with a decent radio/antenna, hear the Mexicali 820 in the daytime. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > haha! No no...pianoplayer, I meant the NEW 820 in UTAH is going to be > highly directional. NOT WBAP. They're not going anywhere or changing > anything. The station in UTAH is going to have to protect them and will be > extremely directional with a tight pattern pointed north/south at the Salt > Lake City metro. > I get mixing every night between Sona 820-Mexicalli and WBAP. Last year > when the solar storms were going wild I didn't get WBAP at all and had Sona > loud and clear. Now I can get WBAP again most nights in stereo. Sona still > steps in from time to time. But they're supposed to be only like 500 watts > at night or something like that. > > Michael n WYO > > -----Original Message----- > From: pianoplayer88key [mailto:pianoplayer88key@y...] > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:56 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1071 > > > If WBAP goes directional, they had BETTER have at LEAST a 100kW to > 200kW (or even 250kW or more) ERP lobe out toward Southern California. > I have a bad enough signal as it is with a nearby mexican station > normally topping them on that frequency, and would be disappointed if > I lost WBAP altogether. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" > wrote: > > Yup, WBAP is still stereo. Confirmed that this weekend :) And > yep, they're going to be highly directional. Drove out to the middle > of a big field 20 miles to the west of Provo last summer to see the > site. It's a pretty neat site....6 towers in the array. Very > directional. I don't think they'll be bothering WBAP. I know there's > some folks in Utah that are sorry they won't be able to hear WBAP once > this station hits the air. Originally constructed and owned by > Simmons, but recently sold to Bonneville. John Dehnel over at KSL > (Bonneville's flagship) is kinda tight lipped about the plans for it. > Calls are going to be KUTR. Last I heard it was going to be just > another chatter. More talk radio for Utah. Just what they need. > Geez, there's only 10 news/talk/sports stations on their AM dial > already. Guess that means they need another one. (grumble). Last I > heard they were trying to apply to up their critical hours and > nighttime power. And from what I heard it will be sometime later this > year when it hits the air. > > > > Michael n WYO > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: oldphones@w... > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:27 AM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1071 > > > > > > What's this about a "new" 50 Kw 820 in Utah?? I sure hope they > > drop power or are directional at night. I'd be real upset if I can't > > get WBAP Fort Worth / Dallas, TX at night. I would think they > would > > need a null towards the south east at night to protect WBAP. > Last time > > I checked WBAP was still ((( stereo ))). > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. 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Terms of Service. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 18:04:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2394 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 02:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 02:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 02:04:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 02:03:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:03:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6337 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.139 Subject: Re: The HD Radio Questions Continue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 2. WOR's analog bandwidth is set to 6.2 khz on the Optimod 9200, we > are/were using software from Ibiquity called the WOR patch, to make > all this work. We have been told this issue is now standard in all > Ibiquity software, so if you want to you can operate out to 6.2khz. At night, with the IBOC off, WOR is indeed using 6 kHz audio bandwidth. But during the daytime, with IBOC in use, WOR is using a 5 kHz audio bandwidth, as I'm sure Mr. Ray can confirm. WOR was using IBOC + 6 kHz audio for a while last year, but then you switched it back down to 5 kHz. The reson given by either Mr. Ray or yourself was that the 6 kHz bandwidth did not meet the iBiquity specs. > There are no protections for this class of station outside its > local coverage area, plain and simple. Anything else is just extra > and NOT protected, by the rules. Same goes with WPHE which Kevin > also likes to complain about. And I shall continue to complain. The problems with IBOC interference that we are going to see will be much like the "Not In My Back Yard" disputes amongst homeowners and neighboring businesses or developers. In both cases, there is often a big difference between what's _legal_ and what's _right_. For decades, radio stations have enjoyed reliable, although not guaranteed, reception far beyond their protected coverage areas, and many stations even specifically target these fringe reception areas as a "rimshot" signal. If IBOC is fully implemented, this luxury will likely be _gone_, and stations will be strictly limited to their protected coverage areas. And with the loss of nighttime skywave service, the loss will be great for stations like WBZ, which routinely take callers from hundreds of miles away at night. Considering that only a small fraction of listeners ever call a radio station -- let alone make a long-distance call to one three states away -- the loss of listeners will be in the _thousands_. > The present spectral curve was put into effect long before IBOC and > we all have to live by it since it has not been changed by the FCC. > The current HD radio scheme is well within the NRSC curve, and > stations transmitting HD must meet it and conform like everybody > else. But yet, this conveniently ignores the fact that in cases where interference is experienced, a station may be required to conform to a "mask" that is more strict than the NRSC standard -- likely strict enough to prevent that station from using IBOC. > HD is just another system currently in use to deliver AM Stereo, > what is programmed is really neither here nor there as far as I'm > concerned. IBOC is not "AM Stereo" any more than listening to a stereo Internet web-cast over a modem connection is "Telephone Stereo". With IBOC, you are putting a digital data stream onto an analog medium, and using that digital stream to deliver information that can be decoded as stereo audio. Listening to an Internet web-cast in stereo over an ordinary "56K" modem fits that same exact description -- but yet nobody would ever call it "Telephone Stereo" or even "High Definition Telephone". > It's awfully funny that those complaining about the AM band the > loss of C-Quam stereo also complain about the crappy programming > THEY do not like. It's not funny... because what we're actually complaining about is the potential for programming that we DO like to be taken away from us. For example, I enjoy listening to WPEN, an excellent AM Stereo music station from Philadelphia. But today, neighboring 930 WPAT was testing IBOC (as they do once every few weeks), and it was trashing up 950 WPEN's signal with an annoying stream of noise, even on a highly selective receiver. And I'm not within WPAT's primary coverage area, so even if I did have an IBOC radio, I would not be able to receive them in digital mode anyway. Thus, for me, WPAT's digital signal causes a net loss of listenable radio stations, with NO possible gain. In other words, IBOC promises us the gold mine... but in many cases, all we end up getting is the shaft. > By the way WFAN shut off the C-Quam stereo a long time ago. They shut off their _pilot tone_ and switched their audio to mono, yes. But to this day, WFAN continues to transmit a nice loud 120 Hz hum with multiple harmonics in the L-R component of their C-Quam signal. It sounds like their "inactive" C-Quam exciter has developed a case of some faulty filter capacitors. > 9. "What will happen when all the stations in NYC turn on the IBOC, > there will be nothing but interference". This is a good one.... > Numerous studies from Ibiquity have predicted not much will happen, > remember not everyone is listening on a wide band radio, only a > select few. And you see no problem with catering to the lowest common denoninator like this? Entire industries have been built upon the premise of catering to the _highest_ common denominator. If that were not the case, then supermodels would be fat and ugly, McDonalds would be "fine dining", and the Yugo would be a luxury automobile. iBiquity's prediction also fails, because it neglects to consider the fact that for many years to come, the number of people listening with wideband analog (and yes, even AM Stereo) receivers will still be much greater than the number of people listening with IBOC receivers -- and that's even if IBOC receivers suddenly start flying off the store shelves, which they are not. You're comparing an existing base of _millions_ of wideband AM and AM Stereo receivers with a base of IBOC receivers that will only be in the low thousands by the end of this year -- if even that much. > I say we need to wait and see what the marketplace says about the > system, How can the marketplace say anything about a system which it doesn't even know exists? If iBiquity has so much confidence in their system, then why aren't they advertising it? XM and Sirius both launched their services with a major advertising campaign. Chances are, most of the public at least knows what satellite radio is, even if they've never used it. But now, IBOC comes along, and compared to satellite radio, it costs MORE and delivers LESS. And, in many cases, it delivers NOTHING. Hello!?? This has "marketplace failure" written all over it. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 18:16:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46599 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 02:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 02:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 02:16:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 02:15:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:15:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1570 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.139 Subject: Re: C-Quam and HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Whoops just read Kerry's email about you using the 6.2khz "WOR" > patch. > > Sounds like it's all been sorted then! > > Kevin T, is WOR sounding better now it's on 6.2khz? Nope... as I mentioned in my other e-mail, WOR is only using 6 kHz at night, when the IBOC is _off_. During the daytime, with IBOC in use, WOR's audio continues to be limited to 5 kHz, with the awful distortion that I spoke of. Mr. Richards has claimed that WOR's analog audio (with IBOC on) is 6.2 kHz ever since they started using IBOC. But except for a month or two last year when they were actually transmitting in that manner, that has never been true. Otherwise, the analog half of their IBOC signal has always been limited to 5 kHz, since the very first day they began using IBOC in October 2002. The official iBiquity specs also require IBOC stations to limit their analog audio to 5 kHz even at night, when the digital sidebands are not in use. Every other IBOC station that I have encountered, besides WOR, follows this standard -- 5 kHz analog audio, day and night. And, as far as the iBiquity folks are concerned, there is no need to use anything greater, nor is there any possibility of encouraging a dual-standard use of IBOC during the daytime and C-Quam AM Stereo at night, as Mr. Richards dreams of. p.s. I realize I may sound like I'm purposely trying to contradict what Mr. Richards has stated here, but I assure you I am not; I am merely stating the facts, according to my personal experiences and all the data that is publicly available to us. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 18:21:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63762 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 02:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 02:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 02:21:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 02:20:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:20:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008601c3e9e0$c87f06e0$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 442 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.139 Subject: Re: Answer from WWKB about stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Here's the reply I got when I inquired about why KB's audio isn't > in stereo. Rumor has it that during their days as a talk station, WWKB gave up their stereo studio-to-transmitter link in favor of a mono STL, since that was all they needed. But now that they have returned to a music format, WWKB has not chosen to reinstate the stereo STL that would be necessary to transmit true stereo sound over their C-Quam AM Stereo signal. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 18:25:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20625 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 02:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 02:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 02:25:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 02:25:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:25:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 7570 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.139 Subject: Leonard Kahn on IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This has been on the web for a while, but I just came across it today.... POSSIBLE FINAL THOUGHTS ON DIGITAL AM By: Frederick R. Vobbe - March 2003 Audio is up on http://www.nrcdxas.org/ra On our November issue I ran the first of our IBOC stories and gave some examples of interference from KIXI and WOR. On the January 2003 edition Scott Fybush dropped in some well-pointed comments. Then on the February 2003 edition I played some examples of interference between digital station WCHB and analog WOWO. If you don't keep your cassettes you can find Real Audio copies of past shows or order back issues from the Publications Center or via the web site. The reason I point this out is that anyone interested in listening to AM radio needs to know how digital AM will affect their listening habits. Over the past few months I've visited this subject with casual listeners, station managers, and professional broadcast engineers. While everyone has heard the buzzwords, such as "HD Radio", "digital radio", or "AM equal to FM", the average person has failed to understand the impact of the interference issue. In fact, one thing that has kept people in the dark is not knowing what the interference sounds like. Many of us are used to hearing buzzes, heterodynes, or the crash of a lightning strikes on AM radio. To many of us it comes with the product and we accept it. So it's not surprising that when someone hears a hiss on a station they write it off as a neighbor's TV, or some malfunctioning appliance. Only a few are aware that this hiss is a different modulation scheme tucked into a normally AM analog world. Why does it bother AM radios, and cause a lot of problems. Leonard Kahn is well-respected in the subject of AM transmission and reception, and I asked him if the problem is due to the fact that most AM radio, while tuned to one frequency, have a bandwidth wide enough to receive signals on adjacent frequencies. [SB:L01] :48.9 KAHN: "Yes, I think the main problem isn't what it does to the digital station, it's what it does to all its neighbors, I think that's the severe thing." VOBBE: "The adjacent channels?" KAHN: "Yes, and the second, and the third. It's not just the first order sidebands, people should be aware of. It's because the receivers can't distinguish. You take a receiver selectivity curve and just draw it, and you see that the receivers do not have infinite slopes. Theoretically you can have them, but you can't take that half a billion receivers and fix them up with infinite slope selectivity." Mr. Kahn is referring to the fact that all the existing radios in the world today hear signals from adjacent frequencies. It's been an acceptable design since the beginnings of radio manufacturing. Narrowing the selectivity of the radio makes it sound hollower, with fewer highs. A radio such as the Sony ICF-2010, GE SuperRadio III, or normal high-end car radio sounds good because it's receiving from 5 to 12 kilohertz off the carrier. Producing a radio with a brick wall approach, such as a selectivity filter that would only receive information from within a 5 to 7.5 kHz window, while other information outside the window is suppressed by as much as 20 dB, is very costly. A cost only a few people could take on. The best way to demonstrate this effect is to play an aircheck of a station being received with another analog station right above them transmitting analog signals. Then, the digital AM signal is turned on. It's February 21st, at 6:45AM, we're tuned to 700 kilohertz and listening to WLW, in Cincinnati OH. Above WLW at 710 is WOR in New York, New York. Listen what happens when WOR turns on their digital AM transmission. We start this recording 15 seconds prior to the digital AM being turned on. [Recording] The receiver used was a stock Sony ICF-2010, and signal strengths were approximately equal. As noted in our prior column, there is no reason to suspect that a different radio might not have interference. I noted no difference between an ICF2010, GE SuperRadio III, Radio Shack 12-604, or the in-dash car radio in a 2001 Buick Century. While many of us are concerned that interference is tearing up a normally good sounding radio, folks supporting digital AM happily point out that it's all legal since the transmissions are within the NRSC mask. But is the mask relevant? Or are we comparing apples to oranges? Leonard Kahn explains the NRSC guidelines. [SB:L02] 1:03 KAHN: "Within a ten minute period, you were not permitted to hit more than 25 dB (outside the mask) at those frequencies. Now that means one spit, one over modulation hit every ten-minute that came to that point. The energy is like an impulse function, there is very, very little energy there! But if you look at this (digital AM), this (digital AM) is here all the time. It's orders of magnitude, more energy. What is important in all this is the energy, and not a short term pulse. They are putting carriers there, and with that energy you have to integrate the time into this, and the time is totally violates the mask, it's not even close to the mask, or by orders of magnitude." What has been interesting to note in all the discussions I have had is that many of the 50,000-watt stations care about their distant coverage as it applies to interference free analog service. But they seem to only be concerned with the immediate Grade-A coverage for digital AM service, that is the 50-60 miles from the transmitter. At present, digital AM can't work in the Grade-B or be used by a distant listener such as myself trying to listen to a Detroit Tigers game out of Detroit, or a Yankees game from New York. Another issue is the bandwidth of the digital AM signal. The cassette that you are listening to does not do this test justice, but a normal AM analog signal sounds like this. [Test Aircheck 1] :17.4 While the 36 kbps encoded digital signal sounds like this. [Test Aircheck 2] :16.1 When listening to this on a radio in a room, or in the car, the difference is noticeable. The strings and piano in the digital example have some artifacts that can be heard. It's not CD or FM quality. If we continue with this digital in band-on channel AM, we face obsoleting all analog sets that people presently own. We face losing AM as a viable platform for the distribution of programming, emergency information, news, weather, and E.A.S. information. Do we need to lose a source of emergency program distribution while we having world conflicts and threats of attacks in the U.S.? There is nothing wrong with the present platform for transmission, as we'll point out in a future article. It's the content that is causing people not to listen. If all the AM stations in my part of the world were to magically change to an FM or CD quality, I don't know that I would change my listening habits. Then again, if something is legislated to take away my analog radio, and force me to listen in digital, maybe I'll propose legislation to replace my radios --- or just be content in reading my CQ Magazine while listening to oldies off my hard drive. You can hear the complete interview with Leonard Kahn on All Radio volume 1, tape 2, side 2. Leonard will also be with us in the future to discuss the quality of AM radio. For the DX Audio Service, in the sheet rock analog announce booth, I'm Fred Vobbe (NRC DX Audio Service, March via DXLD) Archives at http://www.nrcdxas.org/whazup Audio at http://www.nrcdxas.org/ra From krichards@wor710.com Mon Feb 02 19:05:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82187 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 03:05:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 03:05:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 03:05:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 03:05:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:05:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 9934 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Re: The HD Radio Questions Continue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 "Kevin T." wrote: > > At night, with the IBOC off, WOR is indeed using 6 kHz audio > bandwidth. But during the daytime, with IBOC in use, WOR is using a > > > WOR was using IBOC + 6 kHz audio for a while last year, but then you > switched it back down to 5 kHz. The reson given by either Mr. Ray or > yourself was that the 6 kHz bandwidth did not meet the iBiquity > specs. SORRY TO BLOW YOUR BUBBLE BUT THE 9200 IS SET 6.2KHZ FULLTIME AND THE HD EXCITER FILTERING IS IN BYPASS. WE DO NOT TRANSMIT A LARGER BANDWIDTH EXCEPT ON SUNDAY MORNINGS FROM MIDNITE TO 5AM FOR JOE FRANKLIN WHEN THE AUX TX IS AUTOMATICALLY EXERCISED, THEN WE ARE OUT TO 10KHZ THROUGH OUR MONO 9100. THE DX50 COMES BACK ON AT 5AM SUNDAY MORNING WITH HD FILTERING. I DID THIS SO YOU CAN HEAR OUR ONLY MUSICAL PROGRAM IN FULL NRSC AUDIO AND SO THE 317C GETS IT'S WEEKLY EXERCISE. .....WHEN WE GO STEREO IF THERE IS NO IBOC NIGHTIME OPERATION I'LL ASK TOM ABOUT RUNNING FRANKLIN IN C-QUAM THROUGH THE 317C. > > There are no protections for this class of station outside its > > local coverage area, plain and simple. Anything else is just extra > > and NOT protected, by the rules. Same goes with WPHE which Kevin > > also likes to complain about. > > And I shall continue to complain. The problems with IBOC interference > that we are going to see will be much like the "Not In My Back Yard" > disputes amongst homeowners and neighboring businesses or developers. > In both cases, there is often a big difference between what's _legal_ > and what's _right_. YOUR OPINION DOES NOT AMOUNT TO MUCH BECAUSE THE RULES ARE WHAT IS ABIDED BY...IN OTHER WORDS THE FCC SAYS HD OPERATIONS ARE LEGAL IF THEY CONFORM TO THE MASK, FROM 6AM TO 6PM DAILY. THOSE ARE THE RULES EVERYONE HAS TO WORK WITH AND WHAT THE FCC HAS APPROVED. YOU LIKE TO IGNORE THE REALITY OF THE WORLD AND DREAM UP WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE. > For decades, radio stations have enjoyed reliable, although not > guaranteed, reception far beyond their protected coverage areas, and > many stations even specifically target these fringe reception areas > as a "rimshot" signal. If IBOC is fully implemented, this luxury > will likely be _gone_, and stations will be strictly limited to their > protected coverage areas. And with the loss of nighttime skywave > service, the loss will be great for stations like WBZ, which > routinely take callers from hundreds of miles away at night. > Considering that only a small fraction of listeners ever call a radio > station -- let alone make a long-distance call to one three states > away -- the loss of listeners will be in the _thousands_. > > > YES AND TIMES HAVE CHANGED, AND SO HAS THE BUSINESS OF BROADCASTING. MOST BROADCASTERS ARE FIGHTING FOR THEIR VERY EXISTENCE, BEING LOCAL IS ONE OF THE FEW GOOD THINGS AM RADIO HAS GOING FOR IT, AND THIS SYSTEM OF ALLOCATIONS AND CONTOURS PROTECTS THAT. REMEMBER, THERE WAS NO INTERNET, AND NO CABLE OR SAT TV OR SAT RADIO, WHY WOULD YOU PREVENT AM RADIO FROM COMPETING WITH ALL OF THESE NEW COMPETITORS? WBZ COULD STREAM ITS AUDIO IF IT WANTED TO. WE DO AT WOR AND GET A LOT OF OUT OF AREA CALLS FROM THE STREAM ON EVERY WOR PROGRAM. > > IBOC is not "AM Stereo" any more than listening to a stereo Internet > web-cast over a modem connection is "Telephone Stereo". With IBOC, > you are putting a digital data stream onto an analog medium, and > using that digital stream to deliver information that can be decoded > as stereo audio. Listening to an Internet web-cast in stereo over an > ordinary "56K" modem fits that same exact description -- but yet > nobody would ever call it "Telephone Stereo" or even "High Definition > Telephone". LETS LOOK AT YOUR STATEMENT, THE HD RADIO RECIEVER DELIVERS STEREO AUDIO TO THE END USER ON THE AM BAND....THEREFORE IT IS A NEW KIND OF AM STEREO. JUST BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET YOUR HIGH EXPECTATION DOES NOT MEAN IT IS NOT AM STEREO..... AGAIN FOR SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE AN HD RADIO YOU HAVE LITTLE OR NO GROUND TO STAND ON. YOUR LOGIC IS QUITE FAULTY HERE. > > > It's awfully funny that those complaining about the AM band the > > loss of C-Quam stereo also complain about the crappy programming > > THEY do not like. > > It's not funny... because what we're actually complaining about is > the potential for programming that we DO like to be taken away from > us. For example, I enjoy listening to WPEN, an excellent AM Stereo > music station from Philadelphia. But today, neighboring 930 WPAT was > testing IBOC (as they do once every few weeks), and it was trashing > up 950 WPEN's signal with an annoying stream of noise, even on a > highly selective receiver. And I'm not within WPAT's primary > coverage area, so even if I did have an IBOC radio, I would not be > able to receive them in digital mode anyway. Thus, for me, WPAT's > digital signal causes a net loss of listenable radio stations, with > NO possible gain. > WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHEN WPEN, WHICH BY THE WAY IS LICENSED TO PHILADELPHIA, TURNS ON THE IBOC? (WHICH WE HEAR IS PRETTY SOON.) AGAIN YOU WANT TO BEND THE RULES TO YOUR ADVANTAGE....YOU ARE WAY OUT OF WPEN'S CONTOUR AND HAVE NO RIGHT TO PROTECTED COVERAGE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. JUST LIKE WOR CANNOT EXPECT INTERFERENCE FREE RECEPTION IN ALL OF THE PHILADELPHIA MARKET. I THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK AT WPAT'S COVERAGE MAP, MOST OF NEW JERSEY IS IS COVERED BY WPAT, AND LEGALLY SO. > > By the way WFAN shut off the C-Quam stereo a long time ago. > > They shut off their _pilot tone_ and switched their audio to mono, > yes. But to this day, WFAN continues to transmit a nice loud 120 Hz > hum with multiple harmonics in the L-R component of their C-Quam > signal. It sounds like their "inactive" C-Quam exciter has developed > a case of some faulty filter capacitors. THE DX50 ON CITY ISLAND AT WFAN HAS NO STEREO EXCITER CONNECTED TO IT, AND MARK TELLS ME THE C-QUAM EXCITER WAS REMOVED FROM THE 317C A LONG TIME AGO. I AM NOT HEARING THIS HUM, AND NEITHER ARE THEY, AGAIN WHO KNOWS WAHT YOU ARE HEARING OVER 50 MILES AWAY FROM THE CITY ISLAND TRANSMITTER. THIS IS PRCISELY ONE OF THE FIXES HD RADIO OFFERS, THE ELIMINATION OF NOISE FROM AM RECEPTION. DON'T YOU THINK A GIGANTIC OPERATION LIKE WFAN WHO HAVE A COMPLETE AND COMPETENT AND EXPERIENCED ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WOULD KNOW IF THEY WERE TRANSMITTING A HUM? YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE HIGHEST GROSSING RADIO STATIONS IN THE WORLD HERE. THERE IS NO C-QUAM COMPONENT TRANSMITTED. DON'T YOU THINK THEIR MILLIONS OF LISTENERS WOULD COMPLAIN? HERE IN JERSEY CITY ON MY DENON NAB AMAX RADIO THE WFAN SIGNAL IS GREAT, IN MONO WITH NO HUM AND CLEAN AS A WHISTLE, ALSO SOUNDS GOOD ON BOTH OF THE TIVOLI AM RADIOS I HAVE AND ALSO IN THE HUMMER. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE HEARING THIS? > > > 9. "What will happen when all the stations in NYC turn on the IBOC, > > there will be nothing but interference". This is a good one.... > > Numerous studies from Ibiquity have predicted not much will happen, > > remember not everyone is listening on a wide band radio, only a > > select few. > > And you see no problem with catering to the lowest common denoninator > like this? Entire industries have been built upon the premise of > catering to the _highest_ common denominator. If that were not the > case, then supermodels would be fat and ugly, McDonalds would be > "fine dining", and the Yugo would be a luxury automobile. NO, I SEE IT AS PROGRESS FOR AM RADIO, YOU WANT TO LIVE IN THE PAST. > iBiquity's prediction also fails, because it neglects to consider the > fact that for many years to come, the number of people listening with > wideband analog (and yes, even AM Stereo) receivers will still be > much greater than the number of people listening with IBOC receivers > -- and that's even if IBOC receivers suddenly start flying off the > store shelves, which they are not. You're comparing an existing base > of _millions_ of wideband AM and AM Stereo receivers with a base of > IBOC receivers that will only be in the low thousands by the end of > this year -- if even that much. OBVIOUSLY NOT AS MANY WIDEBAND RADIOS AS YOU THINK, SINCE THERE HAVE BEEN FEW COMPLAINTS WHERE IBOC HAS BEEN TURNED ON. PARTICULARLY HERE AT WOR WHERE WE HAVE AN UPSCALE AND VOCAL AUDIENCE, I'M SURE IF THE SIGNAL WAS SO BAD AS YOU THINK, WE WOULD BE DULUGED WITH COMPLAINTS, WHICH THANKFULLY WE HAVE NOT. > > But now, IBOC comes along, and compared to satellite radio, it costs > MORE and delivers LESS. And, in many cases, it delivers NOTHING. > Hello!?? This has "marketplace failure" written all over it. WE SEE THE OPINION OF YOURS WHICH HAS SOME LITTLE MERIT BUT AGAIN, WE ARE AT THE START OF A LONG JOURNEY HERE. WHO SAID CHANGE IS AN EASY THING? C-QUAM IS OVER THIRTY YEARS OLD AND STILL HAS NOT GAINED GROUND, HD RADIO IS AT THE START, AND THE HD CAR RADIOS ARE COMING OUT OVER THE NEXT FEW MODEL YEARS, WE CANNOT PREDICT THE FUTURE. BUT BEYOND YOUR STUBBORN OPINION YOU FAIL TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT MANY C-QUAM EXCITERS ARE NOW BEING TURNED OFF.....AND THE AM STEREO RADIOS ARE BECOMING HARDER TO GET. IT HAS TAKEN SIRIUS AND XM ALMOST FIVE YEARS TO GET UP AND RUNNING ENOUGH TO START MAKING A PROFIT, YET YOU IMMEADIATELY DENOUNCE THE HD SYSTEM A FAILURE. HOW MANY STATIONS HAVE SHUT OFF THE C-QUAM IN JUST THE LAST FEW MONTHS? SOME BIGGIES.....WHY???? THIS IS YOUR OPINION ABOVE AND BEYOND THE FACT C-QUAM IS DYING A SLOW DEATH. SORRY, BUT IT'S NOT LOGICAL AND DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. EVEN MORE OUTRAGEOUS: ONE WOULD THINK SOMEONE LIKE YOU WOULD RUN OUT AND GET AN HD RADIO, 'CAUSE IT CAN DELIVER STEREO AUDIO ON THE AM BAND. WHEN YOU GET YOUR HANDS AND EARS ON ONE, THEN YOU CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW BAD OR HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS. KERRY........ From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Feb 02 19:11:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96336 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 03:11:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 03:11:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 03:11:49 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:11:48 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:13:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1071 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in Big Wyoming. About 80 miles East of Salt Lake City. It's a different kind of DX up here. I guess the signals come right into the cold frozen arctic ground! :) Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: pianoplayer88key [mailto:pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 6:39 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1071 Where are you located? I'm a couple miles south of El Cajon (about 15 miles east of San Diego). I can sometimes, with a decent radio/antenna, hear the Mexicali 820 in the daytime. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > haha! No no...pianoplayer, I meant the NEW 820 in UTAH is going to be > highly directional. NOT WBAP. They're not going anywhere or changing > anything. The station in UTAH is going to have to protect them and will be > extremely directional with a tight pattern pointed north/south at the Salt > Lake City metro. > I get mixing every night between Sona 820-Mexicalli and WBAP. Last year > when the solar storms were going wild I didn't get WBAP at all and had Sona > loud and clear. Now I can get WBAP again most nights in stereo. Sona still > steps in from time to time. But they're supposed to be only like 500 watts > at night or something like that. > > Michael n WYO > > -----Original Message----- > From: pianoplayer88key [mailto:pianoplayer88key@y...] > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:56 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1071 > > > If WBAP goes directional, they had BETTER have at LEAST a 100kW to > 200kW (or even 250kW or more) ERP lobe out toward Southern California. > I have a bad enough signal as it is with a nearby mexican station > normally topping them on that frequency, and would be disappointed if > I lost WBAP altogether. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" > wrote: > > Yup, WBAP is still stereo. Confirmed that this weekend :) And > yep, they're going to be highly directional. Drove out to the middle > of a big field 20 miles to the west of Provo last summer to see the > site. It's a pretty neat site....6 towers in the array. Very > directional. I don't think they'll be bothering WBAP. I know there's > some folks in Utah that are sorry they won't be able to hear WBAP once > this station hits the air. Originally constructed and owned by > Simmons, but recently sold to Bonneville. John Dehnel over at KSL > (Bonneville's flagship) is kinda tight lipped about the plans for it. > Calls are going to be KUTR. Last I heard it was going to be just > another chatter. More talk radio for Utah. Just what they need. > Geez, there's only 10 news/talk/sports stations on their AM dial > already. Guess that means they need another one. (grumble). Last I > heard they were trying to apply to up their critical hours and > nighttime power. And from what I heard it will be sometime later this > year when it hits the air. > > > > Michael n WYO > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: oldphones@w... > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:27 AM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1071 > > > > > > What's this about a "new" 50 Kw 820 in Utah?? I sure hope they > > drop power or are directional at night. I'd be real upset if I can't > > get WBAP Fort Worth / Dallas, TX at night. I would think they > would > > need a null towards the south east at night to protect WBAP. > Last time > > I checked WBAP was still ((( stereo ))). > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 19:29:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63826 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 03:29:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 03:29:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 03:29:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 03:29:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:29:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1330 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.172 Subject: Re: The HD Radio Questions Continue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I'm sorry, I couldn't leave this alone. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: =snip= > NO, I SEE IT AS PROGRESS FOR AM RADIO, YOU WANT TO LIVE IN THE PAST. You call THIS progress?? Low-fidelity digital broadcasting on a narrow bandwidth? Please note the term FIDELITY- At these bitrates, regardless of the frequency range that is reproduced, it'sa NOT fidelious in the least! Oh, and ease off on the damn caps, please? Do you have ANY idea how rude you come off, here? > OBVIOUSLY NOT AS MANY WIDEBAND RADIOS AS YOU THINK, SINCE THERE HAVE > BEEN FEW COMPLAINTS WHERE IBOC HAS BEEN TURNED ON. PARTICULARLY HERE > AT WOR WHERE WE HAVE AN UPSCALE AND VOCAL AUDIENCE, I'M SURE IF THE > SIGNAL WAS SO BAD AS YOU THINK, WE WOULD BE DULUGED WITH COMPLAINTS, > WHICH THANKFULLY WE HAVE NOT. People don't complain- They don't want to stir things up. > C-QUAM IS OVER THIRTY YEARS OLD AND STILL HAS NOT GAINED GROUND, HD > RADIO IS AT THE START, AND THE HD CAR RADIOS ARE COMING OUT OVER THE > NEXT FEW MODEL YEARS, WE CANNOT PREDICT THE FUTURE. C-QUAM was first introduced in 1975, and demonstrated in 1976, with patents granted in 1977, then publicly inaugurated in 1982, so sorry, C-QUAM is NOT o0ver 30 years old. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (The resident AMS historian mouse.) From krichards@wor710.com Mon Feb 02 19:46:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75781 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 03:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 03:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 03:46:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 03:45:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:45:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2842 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Re: The HD Radio Questions Continue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > I'm sorry, I couldn't leave this alone. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" > wrote: > > =snip= > > > NO, I SEE IT AS PROGRESS FOR AM RADIO, YOU WANT TO LIVE IN THE PAST. > > You call THIS progress?? Low-fidelity digital broadcasting on a > narrow bandwidth? Please note the term FIDELITY- At these bitrates, > regardless of the frequency range that is reproduced, it'sa NOT > fidelious in the least! > > Oh, and ease off on the damn caps, please? Do you have ANY idea how > rude you come off, here? sorry but i wanted to distingiush my remarks from kevin's no other purpose.... Yes, it is progress becasue it will bring a long awaited parity of AM and FM audio to the average consumer. We live in a digital age now, and you would keep AM broadcasters from profiting from new technology? > > > OBVIOUSLY NOT AS MANY WIDEBAND RADIOS AS YOU THINK, SINCE THERE > HAVE > > BEEN FEW COMPLAINTS WHERE IBOC HAS BEEN TURNED ON. PARTICULARLY > HERE > > AT WOR WHERE WE HAVE AN UPSCALE AND VOCAL AUDIENCE, I'M SURE IF THE > > SIGNAL WAS SO BAD AS YOU THINK, WE WOULD BE DULUGED WITH > COMPLAINTS, > > WHICH THANKFULLY WE HAVE NOT. > > People don't complain- They don't want to stir things up. Sorry, not so, they do complain, today Joan Rivers sat in for Joan Hamburg on WOR the words "nice tits" got on the air and Joan was also bleeped numerous times resulting in numerous complaints to the WOR switchboard. Funny, but most callers wanted to know what was bleeped. I can honestly say we have had only minor HD radio complaints since we turned it on, most of them I've described here. My favorite was the guy in Queens with the Atwater Kent radio complaining about tuning in WOR, once he tuned down the center the HD carrier noise went away. Seems he had not tuned his glorius old radio in years but kept it on WOR. > > C-QUAM IS OVER THIRTY YEARS OLD AND STILL HAS NOT GAINED GROUND, HD > > RADIO IS AT THE START, AND THE HD CAR RADIOS ARE COMING OUT OVER > THE > > NEXT FEW MODEL YEARS, WE CANNOT PREDICT THE FUTURE. > > C-QUAM was first introduced in 1975, and demonstrated in 1976, with > patents granted in 1977, then publicly inaugurated in 1982, so sorry, > C-QUAM is NOT o0ver 30 years old. Well it is damn close and I base my statement on the earlier tries by Leonard Kahn as early as 1962 and before that the RCA tests. I can recall WGAR testing the Magnavox system in 1973. Let's just say that stereo on AM has been a dream around for a long time, and now it's progressed all the way to the current digital solution. My error of a few years does not detract the logic behind my argument with kevin on the current state of the art. Thanks, Kerry..... From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 20:16:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48774 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 04:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 04:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 04:16:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 04:15:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 04:15:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2363 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.172 Subject: Re: The HD Radio Questions Continue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > sorry but i wanted to distingiush my remarks from kevin's no other > purpose.... That's NOT a good enough excuse. > Yes, it is progress becasue it will bring a long awaited parity of AM > and FM audio to the average consumer. We live in a digital age now, > and you would keep AM broadcasters from profiting from new technology? I do not buy the "progress for progress' sake" argument, and as for bringing parity to AM and FM, in that I agree: the quality of the audio and reception will be equally as bad, with FM only faring marginally better, with the greater bandwidth to pipe in a higher bitrate. > > > C-QUAM IS OVER THIRTY YEARS OLD AND STILL HAS NOT GAINED GROUND, > HD > > > RADIO IS AT THE START, AND THE HD CAR RADIOS ARE COMING OUT OVER > > THE > > > NEXT FEW MODEL YEARS, WE CANNOT PREDICT THE FUTURE. > > > > C-QUAM was first introduced in 1975, and demonstrated in 1976, with > > patents granted in 1977, then publicly inaugurated in 1982, so > sorry, > > C-QUAM is NOT o0ver 30 years old. > > > Well it is damn close and I base my statement on the earlier tries by > Leonard Kahn as early as 1962 and before that the RCA tests. I can > recall WGAR testing the Magnavox system in 1973. Let's just say that > stereo on AM has been a dream around for a long time, and now it's > progressed all the way to the current digital solution. The earliest ISB patent from Kahn I have found is 1955. In this same time period, there were patents, proposals, experimentation and demonstrations by Kahn, CBS, Westinghouse, RCA, GE, EMI, Philco, and probably a few others. The earliest AMS patent of any kind was issued in 1925. There have been AMS proposals in every decade. > My error of a few years does not detract the logic behind my argument > with kevin on the current state of the art. Here's a clue for you: IT WORKS. IBOC doesn't. I'm sure you would love to see the wheel replaced, as it is an antiquated technology that's been around for thousands of years. If you think I'm being ridiculous here, I'm not- This is essenhtially the same argument you give for going digital- A concept, incidentally, that dates from 1926! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 20:34:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98228 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 04:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 04:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 04:33:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 04:32:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 04:32:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1735 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.139 Subject: Re: Full of Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > SORRY TO BLOW YOUR BUBBLE BUT THE 9200 IS SET 6.2KHZ FULLTIME AND > THE HD EXCITER FILTERING IS IN BYPASS. WE DO NOT TRANSMIT A LARGER > BANDWIDTH EXCEPT ON SUNDAY MORNINGS FROM MIDNITE TO 5AM FOR JOE > FRANKLIN WHEN THE AUX TX IS AUTOMATICALLY EXERCISED, THEN WE ARE > OUT TO 10KHZ THROUGH OUR MONO 9100. For crying out loud... do you even know your own radio station!!??? With the IBOC on, WOR's analog audio is 5 kHz... PERIOD. Look at a spectrum analyzer and you'll see that is true! And Joe Franklin's show on the old transmitter is still only 6.2 kHz audio -- no higher. I know, I tune in almost every week, and it sounds no more crisp or clear than your normal nighttime audio. Only very rarely do I ever hear WOR using full NRSC audio bandwidth. Otherwise, it's 5 kHz daytime/IBOC, and 6.2 kHz nighttime/no IBOC. If you don't believe me... check it out for yourself! I'm not going to even bother arguing with your other points, except for the fact that the "WFAN hum" has been discussed in other radio newsgroups and I am definitely not the only one who has been hearing it. Look in the alt.radio.broadcasting newsgroup for threads entitled "WFAN 660 Hum". The most recently one was posted on January 30th by Ron Hardin. Anyway... I am starting to agree with the other member here who said they had lost all respect for you as an engineer. When you come into this forum and start SCREAMING at us like a madman, and talking about things which you'll clearly see are FALSE once you take a closer look at YOUR OWN STATION, then that is not very conducive to any kind of reputation worthy of respect -- especially as the engineer of what is probably the most prominent AM IBOC station in the world! From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Feb 02 22:05:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41093 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 06:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 06:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 06:05:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 06:04:47 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40679 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 04:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 04:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 04:22:17 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.139.2aa1bb03 (3858) for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 23:21:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <139.2aa1bb03.2d507be2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 23:21:54 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.101 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: (Slightly OT) What would you do if you had a group of AM stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 03 Feb 2004 06:04:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 Now, I'd like to ask you a hypothetical question: "What would you do if you got your hands on a group of AM radio stations?" If I had a group of AM radio stations, there would be one policy: STEREO ONLY. No mono stations under any circumstances. The only AM Stereo I would accept is the advanced C-QUAM system. I would also extend the STEREO ONLY policy to the FM stations, regardless of format. I would also focus on local programming, as I would refuse to carry big-name satellite-fed talk show hosts or ego-driven DJs. I would hire only homegrown talent for on-air duty, and get most of the talent from college radio. I would not embrace IBOC, under any circumstances. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 22:44:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7008 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 06:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 06:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 06:44:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 06:43:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:43:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <139.2aa1bb03.2d507be2@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2995 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: (Slightly OT) What would you do if you had a group of AM stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key If I owned all the stations in San Diego (and nearby COL's) here's some ideas I have had on what I would do: 600 KOGO - change to all news format, implement C-Quam. 760 KFMB - change some of the talk shows around, maybe dump a few, move some to other times. Also C-Quam 910 KECR - would implement C-Quam. 1000 KCEO - implementation of C-Quam, probably dump all the talk shows and make it a music only station (they currently have a rock music format at night) 1040 KURS - fix the stereo - I don't hear any separation and they advertise they are in stereo. Also, possible programming change, but I'm not sure what, yet. Maybe Radio Disney? 1130 KSDO - cut the overmodulating they're doing right now. Also put some different programming here, but I'm not sure what. 1170 KCBQ - probably a gold oldies format, or maybe some other music format. Also C-Quam. 1210 KPRZ - change the religious format around some, also C-Quam. 1240 KSON - C-Quam. Re-implement country music maybe. 1320 KKSM - put C-Quam in, then spin off the station to someone else. 1360 KPOP - modify playlist some putting much more 50s songs into it, and put C-Quam in. 1450 KFSD - C-Quam, otherwise the classical music is pretty much fine. Some programming I might like to implement but haven't found a home for would be included, but not limited to: Clark Howard (when the show is LIVE, not taped) put all the computer talk shows on one station, maybe have a computer news/talk dedicated station. a station that is 24/7 traditional Christian music (not 910 or 1210 unless I modify the format) IBOC would be forbidden, Stereo would be mandatory (C-Quam since that's the system currently in use). Also, on the stations that have ads, the AMS Sonys at audiocubes would get a lot of complimentary on-air advertising, free of charge. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Now, I'd like to ask you a hypothetical question: "What would you do if you > got your hands on a group of AM radio stations?" > > If I had a group of AM radio stations, there would be one policy: STEREO > ONLY. No mono stations under any circumstances. The only AM Stereo I would accept > is the advanced C-QUAM system. I would also extend the STEREO ONLY policy to > the FM stations, regardless of format. I would also focus on local programming, > as I would refuse to carry big-name satellite-fed talk show hosts or > ego-driven DJs. I would hire only homegrown talent for on-air duty, and get most of > the talent from college radio. I would not embrace IBOC, under any circumstances. > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Feb 02 22:52:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81210 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 06:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 06:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 06:52:25 -0000 Received: from michaelj (unverified [209.193.86.100]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 23:52:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c3ea2a$c8374fe0$0500a8c0@mshome.net> To: References: <139.2aa1bb03.2d507be2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 23:53:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.31 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} (Slightly OT) What would you do if you had a group of AM stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo I couldn't agree with you more, Eric. But the one part you didn't add to your hypothetical is how much money is in your operating budget. Coming from someone in the biz, you gotta keep in mind just how much a live air staff 24/7 costs. Even if it's college kids that you're paying 7 bucks an hour. That's $168 a day just for payroll....or roughly $5000 a month. Just to have someone behind the mic 24/7. Now do we wonder why so many small market radio stations run an all-satellite format or satellite most of the time with a live morning show? A station is more than happy to pay the $300 or $500 a month to Jones Radio or ABC to have a network to put on the air. I'm not sure what the talk networks charge but it ain't astronomical. You didn't mention if this group of stations was in a big market or a small market. I don't mean to be scientific but these are all major determining factors. With all those factors set aside, you bet. I'd agree with ya 1000%. I would certainly hope I were in a market where I could pull in some good revenue if I was going to staff the station 24/7 not to mention money for promotions, etc. Stereo on all of them? YES!!! C-quam! Some of the promotional budget to have AM Stereo radios to give away. Imports from Japan or some converted radios. That would be fun! I guess I'm thinking on small-market standards since that's where I'm at. I'm sure $5000 is not much for a large market station. That's pocket change for them. Especially those that are giving away $1000 a day. Spending roughly 30,000 a month on just that promotion! Man, I don't understand how they do it. I guess that's the difference between large market radio and small market. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 8:21 PM Subject: {AMSF} (Slightly OT) What would you do if you had a group of AM stations? I> Now, I'd like to ask you a hypothetical question: "What would you do if you > got your hands on a group of AM radio stations?" > > If I had a group of AM radio stations, there would be one policy: STEREO > ONLY. No mono stations under any circumstances. The only AM Stereo I would accept > is the advanced C-QUAM system. I would also extend the STEREO ONLY policy to > the FM stations, regardless of format. I would also focus on local programming, > as I would refuse to carry big-name satellite-fed talk show hosts or > ego-driven DJs. I would hire only homegrown talent for on-air duty, and get most of > the talent from college radio. I would not embrace IBOC, under any circumstances. > > 73 and good DX from Eric From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Feb 03 00:13:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91057 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 08:13:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 08:13:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 08:13:08 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.c8.430ee3f1 (4418) for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:12:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:12:20 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.98 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The HD Radio Questions Continue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/2/04 10:07:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 krichards@wor710.com writes: > > > >IBOC is not "AM Stereo" any more than listening to a stereo=20 > Internet=20 > >web-cast over a modem connection is "Telephone Stereo". With IBOC,=20 > >you are putting a digital data stream onto an analog medium, and=20 > >using that digital stream to deliver information that can be=20 > decoded=20 > >as stereo audio. Listening to an Internet web-cast in stereo over=20 > an=20 > >ordinary "56K" modem fits that same exact description -- but yet=20 > >nobody would ever call it "Telephone Stereo" or even "High=20 > Definition=20 > >Telephone". >=20 >=20 > LETS LOOK AT YOUR STATEMENT, THE HD RADIO RECIEVER DELIVERS STEREO=20 > AUDIO TO THE END USER ON THE AM BAND....THEREFORE IT IS A NEW KIND OF=20 > AM STEREO. JUST BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET YOUR HIGH EXPECTATION DOES=20 > NOT MEAN IT IS NOT AM STEREO..... >=20 > AGAIN FOR SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE AN HD RADIO YOU HAVE LITTLE OR NO=20 > GROUND TO STAND ON. YOUR LOGIC IS QUITE FAULTY HERE.=20 >=20 >=20 LOL! Kerry I dunno how you do it without breaking your keyboard in half aft= er=20 having read some of the half witted nonsense on here.I'm like you, my idea = of=20 stereo is if you have an L-R , L+R component whether it be from C-Quam,HD=20 Radio,two radios bungie corded to each ear or a matching pair of tin cans a= nd=20 strings....hey ITS STEREO! The rest of the comments made in this tread have definately separated facts= =20 and fiction....its only a matter of time hopefully before reality sets in. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Feb 03 00:37:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79798 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 08:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 08:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.114) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 08:37:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 00:36:46 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 08:36:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 08:36:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2004 08:36:46.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC21FA90:01C3EA30] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.114 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Hi Kevin, What time of the day was this you received a pilot on WFLA? (970 right? and not the other ClearChannel WFLA out of Orlando). I checked several times this evening and was not getting a pilot on WFLA, so I'm thinking it must have been a false pilot. Just within the last few months, I have been hearing a Cuban station under WFLA, maybe that is what was triggering the pilot. To the best of my knowledge the 970 - WFLA has never been in stereo; at least not since March 1993, Interesting enough as I was going through the am band to check this out, I was receving a strong steady pilot on 870 out of New Orleans, but I'm sure this must have been a false pilot as well. Donn St Petersburg ---------------- Kevin of GMT Florida wrote: ?Anyway, speaking of Stereo in Florida, anybody else hear WFLA today? Either the radio in the motorhome I was working on was falsing, or WFLA was throwing a C-QUAM pilot with no separation." _________________________________________________________________ What are the 5 hot job markets for 2004? Click here to find out. http://msn.careerbuilder.com/Custom/MSN/CareerAdvice/WPI_WhereWillWeFindJobsIn2004.htm?siteid=CBMSN3006&sc_extcmp=JS_wi08_dec03_hotmail1 From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Feb 03 00:42:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77286 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 08:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 08:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 08:42:38 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.189]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:50:01 -0500 Message-ID: <006201c3ea31$6e2c4d00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:40:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: some sad news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I just received an email from Australia that David McKay has passed away. He was quite young, so it came as a shcok to say the least. He was an avid radio buff and AM stereo lover. He made many tapes for me of Magic 693 and of 3MP in their stereo days. I had known him since the very beginning of Alex's original web page. He leaves behind his wife Ranj, and a son now 2 or 3 years old. Chris From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Feb 03 00:45:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91592 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 08:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 08:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 08:45:45 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040203083804.OWDZ9536.fed1mtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:38:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 00:38:04 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8882-401D067F-501@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> Message-Id: <487BB2D9-5624-11D8-82AF-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.126 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FM was a failure in part due to David Sarnoff convincing the FCC to=20 move FM stations to a new set of frequencies, making all current FM=20 radios instantly obsolete. He did it to get back at Armstrong, a former=20 friend. Armstrong invented FM because he couldn't stand the static on AM. On Sunday, February 1, 2004, at 05:00 AM, oldphones@webtv.net wrote: > =A0=A0=A0 Slightly off topic, but worth it.=A0=A0 > > =A0=A0 Today Feb 1st, 2004=A0=A0 marks the 50th anniversary of the passin= g of > one the greatest pioneers of modern radio,=A0 the late Major Edwin > Armstrong, inventor of the regenerative circuit and of the super > heterodyne receiver that every modern , conventional am and fm receiver > with a IF uses, And the father of FM radio broadcasting having built > W2XMN=A0 in Alpine, NJ. > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 At the time of Major Armstrong's death in 1954, commercia= l FM > radio was largely considered a failure=A0 -- many early stations were > going dark, but look at the prominence of FM stations, today. > Standard Definition > ( NTSC ) Television uses FM for the sound, also.=A0 > > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 So the next time you use a two way radio, or listen to yo= ur > favorite FM broadcast station, just remember the man who helped make it > all possible. > > =A0 > =A0 Oldphones@ webtv. net=A0=A0 > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > wiring items > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Feb 03 00:49:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64039 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 08:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 08:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 08:49:54 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.93.38b71b46 (4418) for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:49:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <93.38b71b46.2d50baa5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:49:41 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.35 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Full of Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/2/04 11:37:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > >SORRY TO BLOW YOUR BUBBLE BUT THE 9200 IS SET 6.2KHZ FULLTIME AND > >THE HD EXCITER FILTERING IS IN BYPASS. WE DO NOT TRANSMIT A LARGER=20 > >BANDWIDTH EXCEPT ON SUNDAY MORNINGS FROM MIDNITE TO 5AM FOR JOE=20 > >FRANKLIN WHEN THE AUX TX IS AUTOMATICALLY EXERCISED, THEN WE ARE > >OUT TO 10KHZ THROUGH OUR MONO 9100. >=20 > For crying out loud... do you even know your own radio station!!??? >=20 > With the IBOC on, WOR's analog audio is 5 kHz... PERIOD. Look at a=20 > spectrum analyzer and you'll see that is true! >=20 > And Joe Franklin's show on the old transmitter is still only 6.2 kHz=20 > audio -- no higher. I know, I tune in almost every week, and it=20 > sounds no more crisp or clear than your normal nighttime audio. > Only very rarely do I ever hear WOR using full NRSC audio bandwidth.=20 > Otherwise, it's 5 kHz daytime/IBOC, and 6.2 kHz nighttime/no IBOC.=20=20 > If you don't believe me... check it out for yourself! >=20 >=20 What kind of test equipment are you using to make these measurements that=20 you're using to dispute the claims of those that installed,operate and see = the=20 equipement in operation almost daily? To tell and engineer that he doesnt know his own radio station...lol,thats= =20 asking for trouble.Its like telling the engineer that his station has no an= tenna=20 when it clearly has one to broadcast with >=20 > Anyway... I am starting to agree with the other member here who said=20 > they had lost all respect for you as an engineer. When you come into=20 > this forum and start SCREAMING at us like a madman, and talking about=20 > things which you'll clearly see are FALSE once you take a closer look=20 > at YOUR OWN STATION, then that is not very conducive to any kind of=20 > reputation worthy of respect -- especially as the engineer of what is=20 > probably the most prominent AM IBOC station in the world! >=20 >=20 Oh DAMN!...another one bites the dust! So much for civil folks here without= =20 "losing respect" for people and right out saying someone is making false=20 statements...wewl!,thats really biting the ol' bullet. Say for those that s= till are=20 not sure about this IBOC deal and how it works and how it's setup......has= =20 anyone even thought about visiting a station that is currently using IBOC? = I'm=20 most certain that most if not all station engineers would be glad to show f= olks=20 the "nuts and bolts" of how it works. I just can not imagion why anyone would think that two fellow engineers on= =20 this board from the #1 market in this country and from a station that is on= e of=20 the major players in that market would have ANY reason to hide the truth,tw= ist=20 it or give us false statements. They are only doing there jobs and "reporting" to everyone else their=20 findings on this frontier. No one said that everyone had to like and embrace the digital age of=20 radio.....but the negativity here its nuts! ....and with that I feel like some folks need to make some public apologies= =20 to a few of the more outstanding folks in the radio industry here. Otherwise this group is lowering itself to the mentality of a bunch of=20 fighting,whining 5 year olds running to their mommies crying that the neigh= borhood=20 kids is always picking on me, syndrome. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 01:47:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19518 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 09:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 09:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 09:47:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 09:46:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:46:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <93.38b71b46.2d50baa5@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1394 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.139 Subject: Re: Full of Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Oh DAMN!...another one bites the dust! I retrospect, I can admit that I overreacted to Mr. Richards' comments. However, the fact that he typed them in ALL CAPS did not help convey a tone of civility. For at least 20 years now, personal computers have been equipped with lowercase and uppercase letters, and except in cases of physical or visual disability, they should be used accordingly. SELECTIVE capitalization can be used for EMPHASIS, but TYPING IN ALL CAPS IS THE EQUIVALENT OF SHOUTING. And while I do respect Mr. Richards' professional experience, I do not respect some of the attitudes and behaviors he has exhibited here. This is a forum for discussions, not for arguments. We all come from different walks of life, and we all can bring something positive to the discussions here, even if we have never set foot in a radio station or read an engineering textbook. Also, it is somewhat self-defeating to argue on the basis of the habits of "average" radio listeners and on the performance of "ordinary" receivers, because in this forum, _none_ of us are "average" radio listeners, nor are any of us satisfied to own "ordinary" radio equipment. And thus while we have the most to gain from AM Stereo, we also have the most to lose if IBOC is widely implemented -- and this is something that any IBOC proponent must realize if they are to participate here. From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Feb 03 04:10:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7365 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 12:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 12:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.116) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 12:10:15 -0000 Received: from dialup-67.31.194.147.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([67.31.194.147] helo=earthlink.net) by grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AnzM0-0002rV-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 04:08:33 -0800 Message-ID: <401F8F45.78E017E@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:08:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.116 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} The HD Radio Questions Continue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 It seems to me that IBOC is marching down the same road that C-Quam did, and that the marketplace is going to render the same results. Among average radio listeners (not radio hobbyists or technicians), I have never heard any listener make a comment (one way or another) pertaining to AMAX, AM Stereo, IBOC, or even Satellite Radio. The average listener is not aware of, does not care about, and will not pay extra for, any technical enhancements in AM. That is why many otherwise high-quality sound systems sound like a tin can on AM. The marketplace is speaking, and has been speaking, for a long time. It is probably a safe bet that the last IBOC radio to be installed in a vehicle will roll off the assembly lines around the year 2015. C-Quam failed because it was not mandated in all but the cheapest radios, and IBOC (for better or for worse) faces the exact same problem. Aside from technical shortcomings, the marketing issues are probably insurmountable unless the system is mandated in all but the cheapest radios. Dick W. From krichards@wor710.com Tue Feb 03 07:39:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81135 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 15:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 15:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 15:39:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 15:39:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:39:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <401F8F45.78E017E@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1358 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.174.241 Subject: Re: The HD Radio Questions Continue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 I think you make some very valid points here, but we all know the "digital craze" is not going to go away. The Marketplace and the public in general can be very fickle at times. Kerry............ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Dick W wrote: > It seems to me that IBOC is marching down the same road that C-Quam did, > and that the marketplace is going to render the same results. Among > average radio listeners (not radio hobbyists or technicians), I have never > heard any listener make a comment (one way or another) pertaining to AMAX, > AM Stereo, IBOC, or even Satellite Radio. > > The average listener is not aware of, does not care about, and will not > pay extra for, any technical enhancements in AM. That is why many > otherwise high-quality sound systems sound like a tin can on AM. The > marketplace is speaking, and has been speaking, for a long time. > > It is probably a safe bet that the last IBOC radio to be installed in a > vehicle will roll off the assembly lines around the year 2015. C- Quam > failed because it was not mandated in all but the cheapest radios, and > IBOC (for better or for worse) faces the exact same problem. Aside from > technical shortcomings, the marketing issues are probably insurmountable > unless the system is mandated in all but the cheapest radios. > Dick W. From krichards@wor710.com Tue Feb 03 07:59:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55162 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 15:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 15:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 15:59:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 15:58:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:58:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3475 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.174.241 Subject: Re: Full of Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 "If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen." You want to accuse and make claims then run away and hide from the facts and the poor logic you seem to apply to your interpertation of the FCC rules. WOR's 317c was on the air this weekend and was on the air several nights last week at full 10khz bandwidth, we just made a lot of repairs to it, so I've been testing it. Sorry, but you are unable to measure our analog bandwidth accurately with the HD carriers on, that's why you think we are running are reduced bandwidth during the day which I can assure you we are not. It's just harder to hear with the "modem on air". Also keep in mind there could be issues where you are in relationship to the WOR array. We do have a major null twoards your direction. Keep in mind no one here especially me is angered by your responses, but you seem to harp on the same old stuff, and always ignore the logic of your argument, it's strange that after my recent post I got 36 emails with over 30 of them very positive in nature. The others were just plain pigheaded baloney "Keep AM Stereo" as it is. That clearly is not happening, and when you get an HD radio then you will be able to better understand the system and how it works. I did not make this situation, but I have to work within it, that is the plain reality of the current state of the art, whether you like it or not. We have to cater to the masses, that is why we test and listen to a variety of radios when making decisions like bandwidth and audio processing. Why should I give up valuable coverage area in a noisy environment for a wide band C-Quam signal which very few can hear? We process they way we do because it has proven sucessful for us and we get repeated comments how good WOR sounds from many listeners. Although the processing on our analog signal is extremely aggressive, it helps us out a great deal in the real world conditions. Kerry..... - In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Oh DAMN!...another one bites the dust! > > I retrospect, I can admit that I overreacted to Mr. Richards' > comments. However, the fact that he typed them in ALL CAPS did not > help convey a tone of civility. For at least 20 years now, personal > computers have been equipped with lowercase and uppercase letters, > and except in cases of physical or visual disability, they should be > used accordingly. SELECTIVE capitalization can be used for EMPHASIS, > but TYPING IN ALL CAPS IS THE EQUIVALENT OF SHOUTING. > > And while I do respect Mr. Richards' professional experience, I do > not respect some of the attitudes and behaviors he has exhibited > here. This is a forum for discussions, not for arguments. We all > come from different walks of life, and we all can bring something > positive to the discussions here, even if we have never set foot in > a radio station or read an engineering textbook. > > Also, it is somewhat self-defeating to argue on the basis of the > habits of "average" radio listeners and on the performance of > "ordinary" receivers, because in this forum, _none_ of us are > "average" radio listeners, nor are any of us satisfied to own > "ordinary" radio equipment. And thus while we have the most to gain > from AM Stereo, we also have the most to lose if IBOC is widely > implemented -- and this is something that any IBOC proponent must > realize if they are to participate here. From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Feb 03 08:07:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9132 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 16:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 16:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 16:07:33 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:07:28 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c3ea6f$d27861c0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:07:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The HD Radio Questions Continue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No it probably won't go away because the FCC is shoving it down our throats whether we want it or not. Makes me really wish the FCC had shoved C-quam down our throats the way they're shoving digital in our face telling us we WILL eat it and we WILL like it. As I have said a million times, consumers aren't banging on the doors of Circuit City saying "PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE GIVE US DIGITAL!!!!!! WE WANT DIGITAL!!!!!!!!!!! PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE!!!!!" Consumers could care less. it's people like IBIQUITY that are telling us "what consumers want". Do you REALLY think consumers had a problem with the way that FM currently sounds? Nope. Do they have a problem with the way AM sounds? YES!!! it's muddy and sounds like sh*t. And it ain't the fault of the stations. It's damned government's fault to begin with. Are they trying to make up for not mandating AM manufacturing standards???? Is THAT what this digital BS is all about? They could have taken care of this a long time ago. Sorry for the rant, but this is all getting old. You're going to have to admit that we're all going digital BECAUSE WE HAVE TO!!!! Not because we want to. Silly me...I thought this was the land of the free. Excuse me while I turn around and puke. Michael n WYO-USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Kerry Richards To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:39 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: The HD Radio Questions Continue I think you make some very valid points here, but we all know the "digital craze" is not going to go away. The Marketplace and the public in general can be very fickle at times. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 08:19:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93516 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 16:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 16:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 16:19:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 16:17:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:17:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1967 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: The HD Radio Questions Continue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: -10 ; SFLAG=OPENRELAY ; IPCR=g-w0,n0,g100 > I think you make some very valid points here, but we all know > the "digital craze" is not going to go away. But yet, it is not booming, either. The Compact Disc format is over 20 years old, yet all attempts to replace it have essentially failed. DVD-Audio and Super Audio CD (SACD) were both introduced over five years ago, and neither has been accepted by the marketplace, because audio quality alone is not enough to justify the greater expense; the problem is that the most popular music simply isn't available on these formats. And when it _is_ available, regular CDs deliver the same thing -- as far as consumers are concerned -- and cost less. Similarly, HDTV will not become a success or failure because of its picture quality; it will determined by what kind of TV programming is available _only_ to HDTV viewers. That's why broadcast HDTV will be a failure; who needs to see Dr. Phil or Oprah with 1080 lines of resolution, when analog TV looks just fine? People are buying HDTVs to watch their DVDs with a better picture... but they could care less about spending the extra $600+ on the external HDTV tuner box. IBOC is just the same -- it will be judged by the programming it delivers, not by the quality (or lack thereof) that it is perceived to deliver. However, the difference is that no other digital format has perpetuated itself at the expense of existing analog formats. IBOC does. So, the real thing to be concerned about is that if IBOC becomes widespread, but yet is a failure anyway, then it will likely make radio (especially AM radio) a failure as a _whole_. Listeners will turn away from radio, and so long as other media serves their wants and needs, they will never look back. The music industry is already seeing this happening, as sales continue to drop each year. If/when IBOC takes off, will radio listenership decrease each year? It may be too early to know, but it is not too late to predict. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 08:34:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22913 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 16:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 16:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 16:33:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 16:32:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:32:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1085 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: The HD Radio Questions Continue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I can honestly say we have had only minor HD radio complaints since > we turned it on, most of them I've described here. But why would anybody assume that WOR would _purposely_ degrade the quality of, and _purposely_ interfere with its own signal? I have spoken with an electric company (JCP&L) employee who said that WOR listeners had been calling _them_ to complain about the IBOC hiss and hash, thinking that it was "power line noise". And, looking back in my records, this was in October 2002 -- just weeks after WOR turned on their IBOC for the first time, so listners were quick to discover it an complain -- just not to the radio station itself. And indeed, I sometimes encounter power line noise that has the same kind of "frying eggs" sound on an AM radio as IBOC digital hash. Same thing, too, with an AM analog station which is broadcasting an audio segment with lots of tape hiss, or, like WINS, a constant "teletype" sound effect... the resulting constant noise on adjacent channels sounds very similar to -- but is not quite as bad as -- IBOC hash. From tomray@wor710.com Tue Feb 03 08:34:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95780 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 16:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 16:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 16:34:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 16:33:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:33:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <93.38b71b46.2d50baa5@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1406 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: Full of Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Hey guys.....take a chill pill. I haven't looked at the audio on a spectrum analyzer, but the Optimod is set for 6kHz rolloff. That's where this figure comes from. Orban admits that this filter is 6.2kHz. We haven't had the aux on the air for the past several weeks. It blew a hole through one of it's screen blocker insulators on the carrier tube and would only run at 10KW until we found that problem.....and it was a bear to find....the symptoms didn't point to an issue with the tube socket. We did test with this transmitter this weekend. It is set to automatically put itself on the air at 11:59PM on Saturday night, and to put the DX-50 back on the air at 4:59AM Sunday morning. The log from this weekend shows that the test went properly, and that the aux was being fed from the Optimod 9100. The 9100 has the NRSC filter module installed, and is not rolled off to my knowlege. The 9100 has to have headers installed to roll off anything, and we are definately using the NRSC headers. I suspect that the IBOC carriers are causing you to see 5kHz audio on a spectrum analyzer when IBOC is on.....we do not change the 9200's rolloff for IBOC On/IBOC Off. We also have the filtering bypassed in the IBOC exciter. It's not in line. It sounds awful, which is why it's bypassed. Nor am I disputing what you're seeing. I'm just telling you how we have it set up. TR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Feb 03 08:43:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94795 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 16:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 16:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 16:43:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 16:42:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:42:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 364 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: The HD Radio Questions Continue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray I have a note into Kenwood. FYI, while New York may be the #1 market for radio in the US, it is NOT the #1 market for radio SALES. That's Miami. New York is something like 5th on the list....Puerto Rico is above New York. Strange but true. I suspect the radios may be out in the higher sales areas first, but won't know until I hear from Kenwood. TR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 08:48:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 156 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 16:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 16:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 16:48:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 16:48:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:48:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1656 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Full of Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WOR's 317c was on the air this weekend and was on the air several > nights last week at full 10khz bandwidth, we just made a lot of > repairs to it, so I've been testing it. I will have to tune in again next week, but every time I've heard it since you implemented IBOC, Joe Franklin's show has been broadcast with 6 kHz audio. > Sorry, but you are unable to measure our analog bandwidth accurately > with the HD carriers on, that's why you think we are running are > reduced bandwidth during the day which I can assure you we are not. > It's just harder to hear with the "modem on air". Please see the spectrum analysis that I will upload shortly. In that case, your _eyes_ can see the bandwidth that IBOC is using, not your ears. > Also keep in mind there could be issues where you are in > relationship to the WOR array. We do have a major null twoards your > direction. A "major null"? I can receive WOR with nothing more than a piece of wire, a diode, and an earphone. A C-Quam decoder with nothing attached to its IF input will pick up WOR's signal -- loud and clear during the daytime, and mixed with some shortwave signals at night. > We have to cater to the masses, that is why we test and listen to a > variety of radios when making decisions like bandwidth and audio > processing. Why should I give up valuable coverage area in a noisy > environment for a wide band C-Quam signal which very few can hear? A better question is, why should you give up a valuable high-quality analog AM signal for a purposely noisy and degraded signal which everybody can hear, and which _extremely_ few can derive any benefit from? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 09:07:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51976 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 17:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 17:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 17:07:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 17:06:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:06:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 809 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: WOR spectrum analysis X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics WOR audio spectrum analysis at sunset, as receieved on a Sony SRF-A100: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/worgraph.gif At just past the 17 second mark, WOR switched off their IBOC sidebands, which is immediately obvious on the analysis graph. Meanwhile, though, concurrent with this switch-off is an increase of WOR's analog audio bandwidth from 5 kHz to about 6.2 kHz, which you can also see. (The "spikes" above 5 kHz with IBOC on are due to the distortion caused by the Optimod's 5 kHz filter. When switched to 6.2 kHz, this distortion disappears, and so do the visible "spikes" on the graph.) In Cool Edit, I was able to zoom in at the 17-second mark, which reveals that WOR's analog audio bandwidth is increased from 5 to 6.2 kHz a split-second _before_ the IBOC sidebands are shut off. From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 10:02:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63227 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 18:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 18:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 18:02:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20040203180243.34685.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 10:02:43 PST Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 10:02:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <139.2aa1bb03.2d507be2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.85 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: here's another for you X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > No mono stations under any circumstances. The > only AM Stereo I would accept > is the advanced C-QUAM system. I would also extend > the STEREO ONLY policy to > the FM stations, regardless of format. There's a live local station in the NC mountains that's mono. I agree with the decision. The multipath is quite bad, and would be totally UNlistenable in stereo. Otherwise stereo on all formats except talk in certain circumstances. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 10:04:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23949 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 18:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 18:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 18:04:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20040203180439.456.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 10:04:39 PST Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 10:04:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c3ea2a$c8374fe0$0500a8c0@mshome.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.81 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} (Slightly OT) What would you do if you had a group of AM stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > I couldn't agree with you more, Eric. But the one > part you didn't add to > your hypothetical is how much money is in your > operating budget. Coming from > someone in the biz, you gotta keep in mind just how > much a live air staff > 24/7 costs. Even if it's college kids that you're > paying 7 bucks an hour. Hey ! i'm not getting that much ! Powell @ WKDK "the gentleman announcer" ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 12:18:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73492 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 18:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 18:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 18:07:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20040203180648.92198.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 10:06:48 PST Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 10:06:48 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <487BB2D9-5624-11D8-82AF-0005021D3C76@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > FM was a failure in part due to David Sarnoff > convincing the FCC to > move FM stations to a new set of frequencies, making > all current FM > radios instantly obsolete. He did it to get back at > Armstrong, a former > friend. That's not exactly true. There was too much skip on the lower frequencies. Some stations convinced the FCC to allow low V HDTV stations. E skip just eats them up. Serves them right. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 12:22:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59232 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 20:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 20:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 20:22:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 20:22:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:22:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 508 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: The HD Radio Questions Continue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > New York may be the #1 market > for radio in the US, it is NOT the #1 market for radio SALES. That's > Miami........suspect the radios may be out in the higher sales areas first, but > won't know until I hear from Kenwood. Greetings from the #1 market for radio sales.....All joking aside, what exactly is taking them so long from releasing the radios? It's not like there's a manufacturing glitch...Cedar Rapids already has radios, why can't the rest of the country have them? --tony/miami From aalso@netzero.com Tue Feb 03 12:45:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67685 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 20:45:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 20:45:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 20:45:15 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([68.218.137.188]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040203204513.ZUNP1899.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:45:13 -0500 Message-ID: <40200874.8030108@netzero.com> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:45:40 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.64 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: Spectrum Graph X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr Kevin what program did you use to develop that spectrum graph of WOR? From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Feb 03 12:51:38 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Feb 03 12:53:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17703 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 20:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 20:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 20:53:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 20:53:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:53:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006201c3ea31$6e2c4d00$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 628 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.4.199 Subject: Re: some sad news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I just received an email from Australia that David McKay has passed away. He > was quite young, so it came as a shcok to say the least. He was an avid > radio buff and AM stereo lover. He made many tapes for me of Magic 693 and > of 3MP in their stereo days. I had known him since the very beginning of > Alex's original web page. > He leaves behind his wife Ranj, and a son now 2 or 3 years old. > Chris I'm very suprised and sorry to hear this esp being young. He sent me some tapes of 3MP a few years ago, first time I had ever heard am stereo... From amstereo@optushome.com.au Tue Feb 03 13:50:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36238 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 21:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 21:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 21:50:27 -0000 Received: from athlon (c210-49-77-201.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.77.201]) by mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id i13LoOg25085 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:50:24 +1100 Message-ID: <000701c3eaa0$287e5220$1b02a8c0@athlon> To: References: <1075833052.372.29058.m12@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 07:53:28 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 211.29.132.54 From: "amstereo" Subject: Re: Full of Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e I don't care what anyone says, There is no way you will ever make an audio codec work well under 64kbit/second. It may work, but it will not work well. Want to here what low quality (32kbit) audio sounds like, 'tune' in to any on-line stream of a real radio station. for instance, this one. http://www.mystarfm.com/listen.asx This is river 949, In stereo, using 32kbit. I Personally can't see how this is going to get much better if at all. I can't listen to that on a regular basis. I listen to a radio station called i1197 on a regular basis, and, on an old bed head clock radio, the station sounds brillient through it. I get a nice audio bandwidth from high bass through to mid-highs without any hesitation. and thats a 15 - 20 year old radio. IN Analogue. I can listen to that all day, Not digital though. There is too many problems with it that hurt my ears - similar to what happens if I liten to fm radio through headphones. I like the AM in analogue, and I hope that we get eureka here instead of iboc, (australia) all stations on a level playing field, then it'll only be down to what the stations can program. From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Feb 03 13:59:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37023 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 21:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 21:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 21:59:20 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.108.2b6bd954 (30960) for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:58:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <108.2b6bd954.2d51739b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:58:51 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.5 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Spectrum Graph X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/3/04 4:00:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, aalso@netzero.c= om=20 writes: > Kevin what program did you use to develop that spectrum graph of WOR? > "" Subj: {AMSF} WOR spectrum analysis=A0=20=20=20 Date: 2/3/04 12:18:34 PM Eastern Standard Time=20=20=20=20 From: kevtronics@yahoo.com=20=20=20=20 Reply-to: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20=20=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20=20=20 Sent from the Internet (Details)=20=20=20=20 =20 [section omited]=20=20=20=20 =20 In Cool Edit, I was able to zoom in at the 17-second mark, which=20 reveals that WOR's analog audio bandwidth is increased from 5 to 6.2=20 kHz a split-second _before_ the IBOC sidebands are shut off. """ Hmmm.Cool Edit Pro!,a computer and sound card!! Wow!,thats one fine officia= l=20 and properly calibrated piece of test equipement. Just think...with this knowledge I can take my multi thousand dollar piece = of=20 service equipement and take it to the dump................ ....WAIT! What am I thinking!?!?! LOL! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Feb 03 14:01:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81950 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 22:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 22:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 22:01:39 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.1de.1823d577 (30960) for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:00:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1de.1823d577.2d517411@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:00:49 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.36 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Full of Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/3/04 11:53:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > A "major null"? I can receive WOR with nothing more than a piece of=20 > wire, a diode, and an earphone. A C-Quam decoder with nothing=20 > attached to its IF input will pick up WOR's signal -- loud and clear=20 > during the daytime, and mixed with some shortwave signals at night. >=20 >=20 Lets not forget about those signals that havent been sent yet? [chuckle] LO= L! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Tue Feb 03 14:03:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94630 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 22:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 22:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 22:03:46 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i13M3cKY000632 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:03:39 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:03:38 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: some sad news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, UK Dave wrote: > I'm very suprised and sorry to hear this esp being young. He sent me > some tapes of 3MP a few years ago, first time I had ever heard > am stereo... David was a great guy. I spoke to him a few times. He not long ago just turned 40 and was so happy about his new life in Brisbane and the birth of his little son Oscar. Several months back he sent me a Metrosound and a whole pile of car transfers from many Oz radio stations of the 60s and 70s. Maybe he knew. Sincere sympathy to Ranj and little Oscar. Ian From dougharding@mindspring.com Tue Feb 03 14:09:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98951 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 22:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 22:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 22:09:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 22:07:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:07:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1217 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: We are lucky to have Kerry and Bob as members of the forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding We are very lucky to have Bob and Kerry as members of the forum. The major broadcasting corps want IBOC. Someone had to test it. I think it is great to have the engineering staff of WOR as members keeping us informed about IBOC and their real world experience with it. Kerry is right when he says this is the current reality of the world. C-quam is on its way out. I still blame Kann for destroying analog AM stereo. If the FCC had chosen C-quam in 1987 when the marketplace had clearly chosen C-quam maybe things would be different today. I personally do not think IBOC is going to work on AM. As many have said when everyone including the clears turn it on the interference will wreck the AM band. But until that happens and it is proven it will not work IBOC will march ahead and more and more c-quam exciters will be turned off. Kerry is just doing his job. The owners of WOR want IBOC and if Kerry does not do it for them then they will find another engineer who will. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > I did not make this situation, but I have to work within it, that is > the plain reality of the current state of the art, whether you like > it or not. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 14:30:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12833 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 22:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 22:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 22:30:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20040203223027.30398.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.90] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:30:27 PST Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:30:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.45 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} We are lucky to have Kerry and Bob as members of the forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why doesn't someone(who can afford one)on this list try out an "IBOC radio" and then evaluate it and let us all know what the radio is actually like instead of boring as in (repetative) threads that go on and on day after day rubbishing both cQuam and iboc. Michael douglasharding wrote: We are very lucky to have Bob and Kerry as members of the forum. The major broadcasting corps want IBOC. Someone had to test it. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Tue Feb 03 14:59:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24291 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 22:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 22:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 22:59:20 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i13MqjKY002951 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:52:48 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:52:45 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} We are lucky to have Kerry and Bob as members of the forum (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, NZ Michael wrote: > Why doesn't someone(who can afford one)on this list try out an "IBOC > radio" and then evaluate it and let us all know what the radio is > actually like instead of boring as in (repetative) threads that go on > and on day after day rubbishing both cQuam and iboc. Hear Hear! If I was in the States and could afford one I'd want to hear it. I might then knock IBOC to buggery but I'd WANT to hear it. As soon as our Melbourne DAB testing starts I'll be buying a UK receiver even if it costs three or four times as much as an AMS receiver. Ian From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Feb 03 16:32:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31399 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 00:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 00:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 00:32:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:32:04 -0800 Received: from 172.140.126.4 by bay7-dav31.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:32:04 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <93.38b71b46.2d50baa5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:27:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2004 00:32:04.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[500CCEF0:01C3EAB6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.88 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.140.126.4] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Full of Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: >To tell and engineer that he doesnt know his own radio station...lol,thats asking for trouble. I wish I could hear Sunday night's programming on WOR to see for myself, but WOR's signal is zilch here in Tampa. > >Its like telling the engineer that his station has no antenna when it clearly has one to broadcast with Oh no....They are using one of those thingies advertised in tabloids that turns the whole electrical system into an antenna! LOL sorry....couldn't resist. > >has anyone even thought about visiting a station that is currently using IBOC? I'm most certain that most if not all station engineers would be glad to show folks the "nuts and bolts" of how it works. I would *LOVE* to take the nickel tour of WOR's plant. One of these days I am gonna have to drive up to NY. I have not had time to take any tours of the local stations in the Tampa area. > >I just can not imagine why anyone would think that two fellow engineers on this board from the #1 market in this country and from a station that is one of the major players in that market would have ANY reason to hide the truth,twist it or give us false statements. Nor can I, but when WOR and WLW did the night DX test of IBOC, I did here the interference Kevin T. gripes about....all the way up to 750. > >They are only doing there jobs and "reporting" to everyone else their findings on this frontier. I find what they are doing interesting...I do want to listen to a HD radio for myself and NOT .mp3s of a HD radio. I have listened to DRM in shortwave and it sure sounds a helluva lot better than most analog shortwaves. Speaking of audio quality....Does anybody on this list know why WWRB sounds so BAD? They are better than they were in GA when it was WGTG, but in my opinion Fran has a lot of work to do. When compared to WTBN, WHRI, and WEWN, WWRB sounds like a bunch of bees in a tin well bucket. > >No one said that everyone had to like and embrace the digital age of radio.....but the negativity here its nuts! I test drove XM today....the audio is too "swishy" for me. I thought the DRM signal sounded better...but could have been the program source too. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 16:37:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42758 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 00:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 00:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 00:37:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2004 00:37:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:37:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <108.2b6bd954.2d51739b@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 640 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.8 Subject: Re: Spectrum Graph X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Hmmm.Cool Edit Pro!,a computer and sound card!! Wow!,thats one fine > official and properly calibrated piece of test equipement. If you dispute the accuracy of Cool Edit Pro, or Adobe Audition as it is now called, then you should take that up with the thousands of audio professionals who use it every day. It does not carry any kind of "For entertainment purposes only" disclaimer. It performs its functions competently and accurately. Just because it is a computer-based program, instead of a stand-alone device, does not besmirch its performance. Indeed, iBiquity's IBOC exciter is based upon a PC platform running Linux! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 17:12:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28002 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 01:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 01:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 01:12:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2004 01:12:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:11:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040203223027.30398.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2115 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.8 Subject: Re: {AMSF} We are lucky to have Kerry and Bob as members of the forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Why doesn't someone(who can afford one)on this list try out an > "IBOC radio" and then evaluate it and let us all know what the > radio is actually like instead of boring as in (repetative) threads > that go on and on day after day rubbishing both cQuam and iboc. I _would_ buy an IBOC receiver -- and I'm NOT lying here -- but only under the following two circumstances: 1., If I can find anyplace in the state of New Jesery that is actually SELLING them.... and 2., That if, by two years after the date I purchase the IBOC tuner, IBOC on the AM band fails to become a success, I can get my money back for it, at full original purchase price minus a reasonable depreciation figure. In other words, I don't want to end up with a $350 unreturnable paperweight with the "HD Radio" logo on it. We are on the verge of yet another marketplace war on the AM band: iBiquity's IBOC versus Kahn's CAM-D versus Motorola's Symphony (and other enhancements to existing analog AM/FM radio). If IBOC wins this marketplace war, then fine! I would be one of the first to own a receiver for it, no matter how putrid I may think the system is. But if IBOC doesn't win this marketplace war, or if the status quo remains in effect and IBOC never even gets off the ground on AM, then I don't want to get burned. Sure, we had the AM Stereo marketplace wars two decades ago, and things were just as uncertain back then. But the difference is, back then, you could buy an "obsolete-proof" multi-system AM Stereo receiver for under $100. Today, a complete IBOC receiver setup costs at least five times that amount, and has no such guarantee. Everything is proprietary, so if IBOC sinks like the Titanic, so too does your investment in any IBOC equipment. I other words, I have a suspicion that IBOC has "Digital Compact Cassette" written all over it. And the excuse that an IBOC receiver cannot become obsolete because it can still be used to receive analog AM/FM signals holds no more merit than the excuse that DCC equipment is not obsolete because it can still be used to play analog cassettes. From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Feb 03 17:39:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98549 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 01:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 01:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.125) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 01:39:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:39:32 -0800 Received: from 172.140.126.4 by bay7-dav21.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:39:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <108.2b6bd954.2d51739b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:35:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2004 01:39:32.0347 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCC954B0:01C3EABF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.125 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.140.126.4] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Spectrum Graph X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: >Hmmm.Cool Edit Pro!,a computer and sound card!! Wow!,thats one fine official and properly calibrated piece of test equipement. OK Fine, Would one of the NY engineers on this forum post a screen shot of a calibrated Spectrum Analyzer showing WOR's signal before and after IBOC is turned off at sunset? Also at the same time, Kevin T. can record the signal on Cool Edit and post a screen shot of the same time period. I got $20 that says Cool Edit is so close as not to matter. I know on MY computer I have checked out Cool Edit Pro with my calibrated generator and analyzer and found Cool Edit to be "Dead on it". Kevin From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Feb 03 17:39:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96913 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 01:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 01:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 01:39:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:39:35 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:39:35 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:39:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2004 01:39:35.0953 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEEF9010:01C3EABF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.93 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: RE: {AMSF} some sad news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 David McKay will be missed by his family at home and by his second family across the world on this forum. He was a very generous and passionate person; I never knew him to flame or make caustic remarks about anyone, he just wanted to share his love of radio and a.m. stereo. R.I.P. David, May God be with you. Donn Tillman St Petersburg,FL _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 17:51:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34010 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 01:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 01:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 01:51:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20040204015117.70685.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.91] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:51:17 PST Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:51:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} We are lucky to have Kerry and Bob as members of the forum (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, NZ Michael wrote: > > > Why doesn't someone(who can afford one)on this > list try out an "IBOC > > radio" and then evaluate it and let us all know > what the radio is > > actually like instead of boring as in (repetative) > threads that go on > > and on day after day rubbishing both cQuam and > iboc. > Hear Hear! I had thought about it, but the truck decided to eat $1000. UGH! The 96 Ranger would be easy to do as the IBOC box would fit in the spot the air bag goes in...in the 97 and above Rangers and Explorers...but NOOOO, the heater door heat control assembly was broken and the entire dash had to come out...an all day deal. The other work done fixed the leaking heater control valve and the 2 failed sensors. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 17:52:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62107 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 01:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 01:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 01:52:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20040204015222.94342.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.91] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:52:22 PST Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:52:22 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} We are lucky to have Kerry and Bob as members of the forum (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, NZ Michael wrote: > > > Why doesn't someone(who can afford one)on this > list try out an "IBOC > > radio" and then evaluate it and let us all know > what the radio is > > actually like instead of boring as in (repetative) > threads that go on > > and on day after day rubbishing both cQuam and > iboc. And that repair shot the budget so bad I can't even afford to squeak...AMY MOUSIE will have to do it for me. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Feb 03 18:21:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11705 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 02:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 02:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 02:21:29 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.b6.27bd9d73 (30960) for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:20:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:20:51 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.162 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Spectrum Graph X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/3/04 8:23:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > If you dispute the accuracy of Cool Edit Pro, or Adobe Audition as it=20 > is now called, then you should take that up with the thousands of=20 > audio professionals who use it every day.=20=20 Cool Edit Pro is a great program..[have a copy on all the production=20 computers and even a personal copy on the home/voice over IP network comput= er] It great for editing,noise reduction etc etc etc,but the accuracy for=20 measurements of this kind isnt quite there in my opinion. There are just to many variables that can change the way the wave form=20 looks.Like audio characteristics [distortion from the radios' audio circuit= ry--not=20 every radio is made equal unfortunately] from the radio connected to the=20 computers sound card,and sounds cards are quite different too -- sample rat= es of a=20 sound card can "shift" things around some too. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Tue Feb 03 18:23:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14956 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 02:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 02:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 02:23:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2004 02:22:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 02:22:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 636 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: The HD Radio Questions Continue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray That's what I'm trying to find out. Having dealt with companies headquartered in Japan, they tend to march to a different drummer and timetable than we do. There may be a production issue. As soon as I hear, I'll let you know. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: All joking aside, > what exactly is taking them so long from releasing the radios? That's what I'm trying to find out. Having dealt with companies headquartered in Japan, they tend to march to a different drummer and timetable than we do. There may be a production issue. As soon as I hear, I'll let you know. TR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Feb 03 18:33:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5278 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 02:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 02:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 02:33:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2004 02:32:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 02:32:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 533 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: WOR spectrum analysis X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Kevin: Looking at the diagram, it looks like the audio spikes are flat at 6.2kHz. The IBOC carriers are down to 5K, but if you look at the diagram beyond and into the IBOC carriers, you see audio spikes to 6.2K. Unless my eyes deceive me, there are orange spikes in the curtain that hangs down to 5K. Incidentally, this is a different processor on the air tonight. Frank Foti dropped by with his new Omnia 5-ex, AM/HD processor, and that's what is currently on the air on the DX-50. We're using Frank's 6K filter. TR From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Feb 03 18:48:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66147 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 02:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 02:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 02:48:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:47:56 -0800 Received: from 172.140.126.4 by bay7-dav50.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 02:47:55 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:43:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2004 02:47:56.0131 (UTC) FILETIME=[4AD51330:01C3EAC9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.22 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.140.126.4] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Full of Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kerry Richards wrote: > WOR's 317c was on the air this weekend and was on the air several nights last week at full 10khz bandwidth, we just made a lot of repairs to it, so I've been testing it. Since the plan is to replace is when the new transmitter site is online, why bother spending the time and money fixing it? > >Why should I give up valuable coverage area in a noisy environment for a wide band C-Quam signal which very few can hear? With HD radio, you give up MUCH more coverage than you have with analog...for a grand total of what? 2 receivers and a mod monitor or two? As for buying a HD radio, I am in "Wait and see" mode. I can't see spending the big bucks for a HD radio to listen to one or two stations, and honestly I have only found one radio station in Tampa I listen to at all! If WPOI-FM 101.5 turns on HD I might buy a radio IF it also has C-QUAM in case HD flops...and I don't see Cox putting out the money to convert the number 13 rated station in the market to HD. Also WPOI's lousey 3.3 share in the last book, along with trend of falling ratings, makes the format in severe danger of being changed, then I wont be listening to ANY Tampa stations. > > We process they way we do because it has proven sucessful for us and we get repeated comments how good WOR sounds from many listeners. Although the processing on our analog signal is extremely aggressive, it helps us out a great deal in the real world conditions. I do agree that limiting bandwidth on a talk station only makes sense, and running the Optimod "Balls to the walls" makes the signal seem louder in a car, where most of your listeners are. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Feb 03 19:07:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8474 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 03:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 03:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.113) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 03:07:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:07:38 -0800 Received: from 172.140.126.4 by bay7-dav9.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 03:07:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:03:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2004 03:07:38.0918 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BD40C60:01C3EACC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.113 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.140.126.4] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Donn Tillman wrote: > What time of the day was this you received a pilot on WFLA? Just before lunch, on a Ford factory radio. > > (970 right? and not the other ClearChannel WFLA out of Orlando). 970, Isn't 540 in Orlando WFLF 540 Pine Hiils? > > Just within the last few months, I have been hearing a Cuban station under WFLA, maybe that is what was triggering the pilot. Those Cubans are LOUD here in Florida! I am also getting a Mexican...XELNT 1000...along with what I *THINK* is RJR Jamaica on 700 with a Tropical format. > > To the best of my knowledge the 970 - WFLA has never been in stereo; at least not since March 1993, Must have been a falsing then. Kevin Thonotosassa, FL From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 19:31:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45174 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 03:31:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 03:31:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 03:31:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2004 03:30:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 03:30:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3310 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.8 Subject: Re: WOR spectrum analysis / Omnia "5EX" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Looking at the diagram, it looks like the audio spikes are flat at > 6.2kHz. The IBOC carriers are down to 5K, but if you look at the > diagram beyond and into the IBOC carriers, you see audio spikes to > 6.2K. Unless my eyes deceive me, there are orange spikes in the > curtain that hangs down to 5K. The "spikes" you see are the effect of the clipping/ringing distortion that the 5 kHz audio filter is causing... not the result of any _true_ audio response above 5 kHz. And think about it... a "brick-wall" audio filter is purposely designed to NOT allow the audio bandwidth to "spike" above a certain limit, except for the result of any clipping or overshoot that occurs _after_ the brick-wall filter. To help make the difference clear, I pulled out an old recording from late 2002 when WOR actually *was* using 6.2 kHz audio bandwidth during the daytime with IBOC on, and put it side-by-side with a recent recording of WOR's daytime IBOC with 5 kHz audio: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wor-comp.gif The blue line is WOR (late 2002) with 6.2 kHz audio and IBOC on, and the purple line is WOR (current) with 5 kHz audio and IBOC on. In this case, you can also see the "ringing" distortion that plagues WOR's audio when the 5 kHz filter is in use. My determination is that, whether you want to believe it or not, your IBOC exciter is still imposing a 5 kHz cut-off whenever you have the IBOC sidebands active with the "AAB=0" setting. This allows more robust digital reception, since only one of the two sidebands has to received to enable digital audio, but imposes a 5 kHz low-pass filter to the analog audio input. However, there is also the "AAB=1" setting, which allows up to 8 kHz analog audio bandwidth, but comes at the expense of requiring both sidebands to be successfully received in order to decode the digital audio, and therefore is less robust. I specifically recall either you or Mr. Richards stating that back when WOR truly was transmitting 6.2 kHz audio with IBOC in use, the IBOC exciter was switched into this mode (AAB=1)... and that one of the reasons why you switched it back to the AAB=0 / 5 kHz mode (in December 2002, I believe) was to provide the more robust digital reception. So, to make a long story short, you may truly, honestly be feeding your IBOC exciter with 6.2 kHz audio day and night -- but I have a feeling that as long as you have the exciter switched to AAB=0 mode, it's going to impose its own (rather cruddy-sounding) 5 kHz filter -- no ifs, ands, or buts! > Incidentally, this is a different processor on the air tonight. > Frank Foti dropped by with his new Omnia 5-ex, AM/HD processor, and > that's what is currently on the air on the DX-50. We're using > Frank's 6K filter. It doesn't sound all that different to me, but with today's audio processors, the differences are usually rather subtle. Also, who came up with the bright idea of naming it the "5EX"? Apple Computer almost named one of their computers after that word about 15 years ago; they had a trend of appending an "x" onto the model number of every computer that had a 68030 processor. But, when they added a 68030 chip to the SE model, they called it the "SE/30" instead -- because otherwise, it would've been named the "SEx"! From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Feb 03 21:24:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93309 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 05:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 05:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 05:24:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:24:03 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 05:24:02 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 05:24:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2004 05:24:03.0074 (UTC) FILETIME=[19F72620:01C3EADF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.22 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Kevin, How well do you recieve stereo 1130 am (W)WBF out of Bartow? Kevin of GMT,Florida wrote: Isn't 540 in Orlando WFLF 540 Pine Hiils? Yes, 540 (formerally stereo under the calls WGTO) is legally WFLF, but I'm sure the average listener doesn't know, since only a quick legal call just before the top of the hour i.d.'s them as WFLF; every other i.d. and promotion heavily emphasises the WFLA calls; at one time ClearChannel has five "WFLA's in Florida, apparently WFLA is a brand name they like. I have not received a Jamaician station on 700 yet, but do get a station from there on 730 and Yes Cuba does come in strong here and if you go from St Petersburg south the Cuban stations come in even stronger along the coast and from Venice south inland. Every radio I have that scans, scans 640 out of Havana as a local day and night. As of about 5 months ago, I also hear Cuba in the background of 910 am during the day as well as night. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo in Florida Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:03:26 -0500 Donn Tillman wrote: > What time of the day was this you received a pilot on WFLA? Just before lunch, on a Ford factory radio. > > (970 right? and not the other ClearChannel WFLA out of Orlando). 970, Isn't 540 in Orlando WFLF 540 Pine Hiils? > > Just within the last few months, I have been hearing a Cuban station under WFLA, maybe that is what was triggering the pilot. Those Cubans are LOUD here in Florida! I am also getting a Mexican...XELNT 1000...along with what I *THINK* is RJR Jamaica on 700 with a Tropical format. > > To the best of my knowledge the 970 - WFLA has never been in stereo; at least not since March 1993, Must have been a falsing then. Kevin Thonotosassa, FL _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Feb 03 22:33:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60493 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 06:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 06:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 06:33:15 -0000 Received: from [209.63.214.183] (d196-osel-phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.183]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id i146XC513226 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:33:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:33:10 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1075865499.2696.45179.m3@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: Buying an IBOC radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > If I was in the States and could afford one I'd want to hear it. I might > then knock IBOC to buggery but I'd WANT to hear it. The problem is that you can=B9t go to the store and buy one. That is unless you want a car radio and are willing to go to Grand Rapids, IA to get it. I would get one if they were for sale. Kevin Mesa, Arizona [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Feb 04 07:12:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27077 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 15:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 15:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 15:12:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2004 15:11:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 15:11:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1269 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.137.151.167 Subject: Visteon's HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee When Kerry Richards mentioned that Visteon's HD radio has C-Quam capabilities, I had to check into it. A customer service representative has confirmed that this is TRUE. Apparently, there's no manual sensitivity toggle... but the radio itself will adjust itself from narrow to wide (in this case 7 kHz) depending on signal strength. Below is the e-mail I received from a Visteon customer service rep: <> From dougharding@mindspring.com Wed Feb 04 07:48:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86125 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 15:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 15:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 15:48:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2004 15:47:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 15:47:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 616 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Re: {AMSF} We are lucky to have Kerry and Bob as members of the forum (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding This is a good idea. I however am tapped out. Last year I bought two Fanfare FTA-100 tuners that are about to become very expensive door stops if IBOC takes over and I already added XM satellite radio to my car and home. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, NZ Michael wrote: > > > Why doesn't someone(who can afford one)on this list try out an "IBOC > > radio" and then evaluate it and let us all know what the radio is > > actually like instead of boring as in (repetative) threads that go on > > and on day after day rubbishing both cQuam and iboc. From stodd@vippn.com Wed Feb 04 08:00:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80755 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 16:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 16:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 16:00:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2004 15:59:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 15:59:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040204015117.70685.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 305 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: {AMSF} We are lucky to have Kerry and Bob as members of the forum (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > I had thought about it, but the truck decided to eat > $1000. UGH! Glad to know I'm not the only one here whose budget often gets shot to H-E-double warm by vehicle repair bills. My sympathies. Scott Todd From tomray@wor710.com Wed Feb 04 08:13:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59474 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 16:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 16:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 16:13:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2004 16:13:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:13:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 313 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: Full of Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > Since the plan is to replace is when the new transmitter site is online, why > bother spending the time and money fixing it? Because that is at least 12-18 months off. Don't want to be without an aux for that long. TR From dougharding@mindspring.com Wed Feb 04 08:29:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54948 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 16:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 16:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 16:29:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2004 16:27:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:27:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1055 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I lived in Tampa and listened to WFLA all the time in my car which had a AM stereo radio and at home with an AM stereo tuner from 1987 to 1997. They never were in stereo. WPLP 570 and the talk station in sarasota at 1420 were in stereo. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Donn Tillman wrote: > > What time of the day was this you received a pilot on WFLA? > > Just before lunch, on a Ford factory radio. > > > > (970 right? and not the other ClearChannel WFLA out of Orlando). > > 970, Isn't 540 in Orlando WFLF 540 Pine Hiils? > > > > Just within the last few months, I have been hearing a Cuban station under > WFLA, maybe that is what was triggering the pilot. > > Those Cubans are LOUD here in Florida! I am also getting a Mexican...XELNT > 1000...along with what I *THINK* is RJR Jamaica on 700 with a Tropical > format. > > > > To the best of my knowledge the 970 - WFLA has never been in stereo; at > least not since March 1993, > > Must have been a falsing then. > > Kevin > Thonotosassa, FL From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 04 08:43:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69044 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 16:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 16:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 16:43:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2004 16:42:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:42:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 877 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: WOR aux X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Because that is at least 12-18 months off. Don't want to be without > an aux for that long. BTW, a few months ago one early morning, I caught WOR on the air at obviously low power (perhaps 10 kW) and with lightly-processed, full- bandwidth audio. It was during a rerun of the Dr. Joy Browne show, I recall. But then, a few minutes later, WOR dropped carrier and then came back on at full power, with the normal highly-processed 6 kHz audio. Was this the Continental on at low power, or some other transmitter? And was that the old CRL backup audio chain you were using? It didn't sound like any Optimod to me. I remember around 1997 when WOR was doing tower work and you were on at 10 kW non-directional. At night, the Cuban station on 710 kHz was often audible in the background. But it did allow unusually good DXing of neighboring 700 WLW and 720 WGN. From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Feb 04 09:05:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76347 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 17:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 17:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 17:05:02 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i14H4k1J072243 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:04:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003801c3eb40$fec714c0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:04:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Answer from WWKB about stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Rumor has it that during their days as a talk station, WWKB gave up > their stereo studio-to-transmitter link in favor of a mono STL, since > that was all they needed. But now that they have returned to a music > format, WWKB has not chosen to reinstate the stereo STL that would be > necessary to transmit true stereo sound over their C-Quam AM Stereo > signal. Since the KB STL is mono with no hope of going stereo, I wonder why they leave the stereo pilot on? Don't they know that the stereo pilot reduces their coverage . From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Feb 04 16:56:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47895 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 00:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 00:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.109) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 00:54:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:53:39 -0800 Received: from 172.149.197.10 by bay7-dav5.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:53:39 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:49:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2004 00:53:39.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E53E8D0:01C3EB82] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.109 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.149.197.10] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Donn Tillman wrote: > Kevin, How well do you recieve stereo 1130 am (W)WBF out of Bartow? It comes in fine on my loop > >Yes Cuba does come in strong here and if you go from St Petersburg south the Cuban stations come in even stronger along the coast and from Venice south inland. Not to mention the Cuban warble jammers! Kevin From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Feb 04 17:09:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24177 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 01:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 01:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.193) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 01:09:10 -0000 Received: from storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 55FB6BE9E for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:09:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id RAA03150; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:09:10 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRew9t7HURo9Slzw3LWHdIGRTzCkwIUbFz5UXr0clzjsaTaEydOOuqtTlY= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:09:10 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <2921-402197B6-82@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 4 Feb 2004 16:06:57 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.193 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1077 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Here in the midwest ( Nebraska, Iowa, etc.. ) I have yet to hear any station(s) testing IBOC, or it's sidebands. There was some strange inference on regional KMA 960 a while back, don't think anybody ever figured out that one. Having the WOR engineers input is a good thing, because WOR's experiences permit some real world tests of the digital IBOC, it's difficult to know just how well it performs under real world conditions, and just what interference the IBOC sidebands really cause. IBOC is like sending a new rocket ship to the Moon, Mars... Computer similulation sez it will work, But until a few rockets get shot off, you really never know if it worked properly, it might just blow up on the launch pad...... Just ask NASA. If, stations usable , stable signal areas is seriously impaired.... then what does it accomplish? IF it makes many other stations, signals difficult to decode digitally OR receive in analog with the >Millions< of today's typical consumer AM / FM sets ----- Then where did we progress?? I am not against digital, It just has to prove it self under real world reception conditions. We need a FAIR trial, between IBOC and the CAM-D system that Kahn is touting, Vs. the existing AM analog with MONO and STEREO AM which has served us well for many years. I have long maintained that AM Stereo on a high power station, with quality programming material, and reasonable processing, Sounds better that F.M. in my opinion. Abolish the phony NRSC mask , and AM stereo is better, by far. And causes minimal interference ( if any) to adjacent stations. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Feb 04 17:32:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19051 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 01:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 01:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 01:32:02 -0000 Received: from storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id A4DA010585 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:32:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id RAA04144; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:32:00 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQcsLVtT8Bp2U12bH2XjWp6JIJcYgIUDZblQFIKoprk8pOoBkgNt2GEVyA= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:32:00 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <2914-40219D10-531@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 4 Feb 2004 03:31:39 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1076 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I have one of those "obsolete-proof" AM stereo receivers > A Sony SRF-A100 bought for UNDER $100 US Dollars in 1985, Still going Strong!! The Sony stills gets the local blowtorch, or the local "Brand X " station just up the dial every morning (even if it is Mono). On those rare occasions I can still decode Motorola (((AM Stereo))) on what few out of town AM$ stations are left, And could decode Kahn Dual-Sideband (ISB) stereo, If any one dared to offend the FCC by broadcasting in that mode. No $500.00 wasted on a doorstop in 3 years, nosirreeee. that is If I could actually find an IBOC radio. AM stereo was a cost effective system, then and still is. One of it's great beauties. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Feb 04 18:05:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77839 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 01:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 01:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11907.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.191) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 01:23:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20040205012321.84880.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.75.227.85] by web11907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:23:21 PST Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:23:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.191 From: "Tn S." Subject: Re: Stereo in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; IPCR=n-w0,n100,g0 ; SERVER=66.218.86.249 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Possum Hunter (and all): How good is reception of WBF in Palm Harbor?? I'm supposed to be going over there for a wedding in March...Also, on an OT note, how good is WTMP-FM 96.1's reception around the Palm Harbor area?? I know it's probably not great, but just wondering if it's worth anything. Also, got a tip from Ron Gitschier in North Fla. that WPLK/800 in Palatka was (once again) lighting the pilot...Anyone able to confirm separation? --Tony --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Feb 04 18:31:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57714 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 02:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 02:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 02:09:24 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.209.17.134]) by imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20040205020923.PZFX1950.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:09:23 -0500 Message-ID: <006501c3eb8d$13a4a820$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <20040205012321.84880.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:09:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.70 From: "Juan / John Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; IPCR=n-w0,n100,g0 ; SERVER=66.218.86.245 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony, I will heading to see my Mom in Ocala next week. I will check on it. Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tn S. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:23 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo in Florida Possum Hunter (and all): How good is reception of WBF in Palm Harbor?? I'm supposed to be going over there for a wedding in March...Also, on an OT note, how good is WTMP-FM 96.1's reception around the Palm Harbor area?? I know it's probably not great, but just wondering if it's worth anything. Also, got a tip from Ron Gitschier in North Fla. that WPLK/800 in Palatka was (once again) lighting the pilot...Anyone able to confirm separation? --Tony --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 04 22:23:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60464 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 06:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 06:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 06:23:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2004 06:23:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 06:23:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040204015222.94342.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.230 Subject: Re: {AMSF} We are lucky to have Kerry and Bob as members of the forum (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SFLAG=OPENRELAY ; IPCR=g-w0,n0,g100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.250 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > And that repair shot the budget so bad I can't even > afford to squeak...AMY MOUSIE will have to do it for > me. *squeek?* Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Feb 04 22:46:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83869 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 06:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 06:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 06:46:02 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.b9.3c116882 (4328) for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 01:44:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 01:44:38 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.5 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Visteon's HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: -50 ; IPCR=w-w100,n0,g0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/4/04 10:23:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 deepcoffee@yahoo.com writes: > Visteon's HD radio has C-Quam capabilities, I=20 > had to check into it. A customer service representative has confirmed th= at=20 > this is=20 > TRUE. Apparently, there's no manual sensitivity toggle... but the radio= =20 > itself will=20 > adjust itself from narrow to wide (in this case 7 kHz) depending on signa= l=20 > strength. >=20 Ok......sounds great!=20 Now where and when do we/can we all rush out to grab up one of these=20 "smart" radios? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Feb 04 23:13:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46245 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 07:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 07:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 07:13:41 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1579NYD013854 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:09:23 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1579Nrq015361 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:09:23 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1579NJP015356 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:09:23 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <1AKSXD7D>; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:09:23 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDAA6@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:09:22 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Visteon's HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: -10 Problem is, I believe these radios are OEM only! We need to ask them to consider making them available for purchase to individuals. Whether this means ringing them up and asking for a particula= r part number, or perhaps a "bulk order" or 10-20 units for interested list members. Perhaps Tom/Kerry might be interested in doing a bulk order of 50 radios to resell to WOR listeners / interested people such as the AMS list subscribers. I'm sure we can work something out with Visteon - then they should make the unit available for retail sale if we can show there is demand. The only thing to check is the date it will go into production - they may not start production of them until a large OEM order comes in from one of the car manufacturers. This may be the real holdup! It definitely looks like the superior option to the Kenwood radio (AMS + better AM bandwidth). Kenwood currently are getting all the sales because that's the only radio available! Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com [mailto:KC4QLP@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2004 4:45 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Visteon's HD Radio In a message dated 2/4/04 10:23:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 deepcoffee@yahoo.com writes: > Visteon's HD radio has C-Quam capabilities, I=20 > had to check into it. A customer service representative has confirmed that=20 > this is=20 > TRUE. Apparently, there's no manual sensitivity toggle... but the radio= =20 > itself will=20 > adjust itself from narrow to wide (in this case 7 kHz) depending on signa= l > strength. >=20 Ok......sounds great!=20 Now where and when do we/can we all rush out to grab up one of these=20 "smart" radios? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - -- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - -- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links =20 From krichards@wor710.com Thu Feb 05 05:00:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 382 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 13:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 13:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 13:00:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2004 13:00:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:00:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDAA6@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3582 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Re: Visteon's HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 0: 100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.248 I'll forward your request to Tom, we will see if the power of the=20 50,000 watt WOR microphone can help here. Be great if we could get some of these, which I think are already in=20 production according to Ibiquity. We had one of these in a box from=20 them that's how I found out about the unit. Good Idea! Kerry...... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L"=20 wrote: > Problem is, I believe these radios are OEM only! >=20 > We need to ask them to consider making them available for purchase=20 to > individuals. Whether this means ringing them up and asking for a=20 particular > part number, or perhaps a "bulk order" or 10-20 units for=20 interested list > members. >=20 > Perhaps Tom/Kerry might be interested in doing a bulk order of 50=20 radios to > resell to WOR listeners / interested people such as the AMS list > subscribers. >=20 > I'm sure we can work something out with Visteon - then they should=20 make the > unit available for retail sale if we can show there is demand. >=20 > The only thing to check is the date it will go into production -=20 they may > not start production of them until a large OEM order comes in from=20 one of > the car manufacturers. This may be the real holdup! >=20 > It definitely looks like the superior option to the Kenwood radio=20 (AMS + > better AM bandwidth). Kenwood currently are getting all the sales=20 because > that's the only radio available! >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Matt >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: KC4QLP@a... [mailto:KC4QLP@a...] > Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2004 4:45 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Visteon's HD Radio >=20 >=20 > In a message dated 2/4/04 10:23:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > deepcoffee@y... writes: >=20 > > Visteon's HD radio has C-Quam capabilities, I=20 > > had to check into it. A customer service representative has=20 confirmed > that=20 > > this is=20 > > TRUE. Apparently, there's no manual sensitivity toggle... but=20 the radio=20 > > itself will=20 > > adjust itself from narrow to wide (in this case 7 kHz) depending=20 on signal >=20 > > strength. > >=20 >=20 > Ok......sounds great!=20 > Now where and when do we/can we all rush out to grab up one of=20 these=20 > "smart" radios? >=20 > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > -- > --------------------------------- > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with=20 engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@e...,MidAtlanticEngin@a... > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > -- > --------------------------- >=20 > ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 > Radio------------------------------------------ > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefie= ld Va > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp > Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) > _______________________________________________________ >=20 > * List owner: > Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 > Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 > Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 09:46:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98525 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 17:46:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 17:46:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 17:46:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2004 17:45:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:45:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1362 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Visteon's HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SFLAG=OPENRELAY ; IPCR=g-w0,n0,g100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.251 > We had one of these in a box from them that's how I found out about > the unit. BTW, were you able to upgrade your Visteon receiver to the new IBOC codec? And one thing I wonder about is how these will behave if/when all-digital IBOC signals get on the air. Currently, when you tune in an IBOC station, the receiver takes a few seconds to synch up with the digital signal and start playing it. In that meantime, you hear the analog portion of the IBOC station's "hybrid" signal. But with an all-digital station, there is no analog portion of the signal. A regular analog receiver would only hear a constant stream of noise. So, on an IBOC receiver, would you get presented with a few seconds of hissing noise before it locks onto the digital signal? Or is it "smart" enough to instantly recognize the all-digital IBOC signal and mute the audio until the digital audio is synched up and starts playing? Either way, I don't think it's going to satisfy people's quick attention spans when it comes to "channel-surfing". A split-second muting delay is already annoying enough on analog receivers. And unlike satellite radio or cable TV, you don't even know if a signal is "there" or what its format is. Would you sit through a few seconds of noise or silence just to start hearing a station whose programming you don't care for anyway? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 10:22:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57611 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 18:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 18:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 18:22:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2004 18:20:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:20:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Vintage hi-fi AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: -10 ; SFLAG=OPENRELAY ; IPCR=g-w0,n0,g100 The idea of a car radio with hi-fi selectable bandwidth AM is nothing new... this vintage Ford radio has settings for "Normal", "Bass", "Hi Fidelity", and "Lo Noise": http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2458575115 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 10:24:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70317 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 18:24:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 18:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 18:24:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20040205182424.58795.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:24:24 PST Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:24:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.143 From: "John P." Subject: Reason to leave the pilot on X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: -50 ; IPCR=w-w100,n0,g0 JB wrote: "Since the KB STL is mono with no hope of going stereo, I wonder why they leave the stereo pilot on?" I know a BE here that does that just to "open-up the bandwidth" of radios that widen the AM bandwidth when it receives the pilot tone. Despite the mono STL, it does make his mono audio sound much fuller on the Delco. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 10:29:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81629 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 18:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 18:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 18:29:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20040205182743.83698.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:27:43 PST Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:27:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.146 From: "John P." Subject: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 0: 100 ; IPCR=n-w0,n100,g0 ; SERVER=66.218.86.247 Tom & Kerry & WOR BE Team: Could you guys use CQuam on the backup tranny during the overnight when you're giving the big one a rest each week? The Visteon radio has both IBOC/HD-R and CQuam reception doesn't it? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From castellano105@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 11:59:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44223 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 19:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 19:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 19:59:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2004 19:58:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:58:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 288 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 207.69.138.200 Subject: FM gone Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.246 Theirs a FM Station in Gainville,Florida north of Ocala.This station was like most FMstation a rock Stereo Station,now its a tacke Formate and they now brodcast in Mono,so it seems that on Radio station not brodcasting music go mono yet tv on the other hand go stereo. What an joke?! From aalso@netzero.com Thu Feb 05 12:57:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70719 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 20:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 20:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 20:57:06 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([65.80.194.11]) by imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040205205319.DWSG1944.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:53:19 -0500 Message-ID: <4022AD5B.6020804@netzero.com> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:53:47 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1076000005.397.79486.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1076000005.397.79486.m12@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.73 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: AM stereo in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.251 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:23:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Tn S." Subject: Re: Stereo in Florida Also, got a tip from Ron Gitschier in North Fla. that WPLK/800 in Palatka was (once again) lighting the pilot...Anyone able to confirm separation? I can confirm that it's NOT in Stereo. Seeing as their Stereo exciter is in my shop. I Just talked to WPLK's CE and we may take it back to Stereo when we have the exciter working properly again. It hasn't been stereo for several years. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 13:41:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49227 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 21:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 21:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 21:41:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2004 21:39:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:39:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 702 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: FM gone Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.251 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Francisco Guzman" wrote: > Theirs a FM Station in Gainville,Florida north of Ocala.This station > was like most=20 > FMstation a rock Stereo Station,now its a tacke Formate and they now > brodcast in=20 > Mono,so it seems that on Radio station not brodcasting music go mono > yet tv on the=20 > other hand go stereo. What an joke?! We have an NPR/PBS affiliate FM station (KPBS 89.5) that during the day is mostly talk programming with mono, but overnight is classical music in stereo. There's also a cross-border blaster XHMORE 98.9FM broadcasting Rock en Espa=F1ol. They're lighting the stereo indicator on my Panasonic RQ-SW20, but in mono. From don@idpt.com Thu Feb 05 13:54:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: don@idpt.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34492 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 21:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 21:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO superman.pns.networktel.net) (216.83.236.232) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 21:54:35 -0000 Received: from Executive (216-107-81-28.wan.networktel.net [216.107.81.28]) by superman.pns.networktel.net (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i15LsYxm020281 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:54:34 GMT (envelope-from don@idpt.com) To: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:53:31 -0600 Message-ID: <005801c3ec32$7f06fc30$0201a8c0@Executive> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.83.236.232 From: "Don Johnson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: FM gone Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=32705644 X-Yahoo-Profile: htmldon X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; IPCR=n-w0,n100,g0 ; SERVER=66.218.86.247 We have a station in Memphis (WYPL-FM) for our public library system where volunteers read articles from the newspaper for hearing-impaired people. The station doesn't even have a stereo pilot. _____________ Don Johnson don@idpt.com -----Original Message----- From: pianoplayer88key [mailto:pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 3:39 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: FM gone Mono --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Francisco Guzman" wrote: > Theirs a FM Station in Gainville,Florida north of Ocala.This station > was like most=20 > FMstation a rock Stereo Station,now its a tacke Formate and they now > brodcast in=20 > Mono,so it seems that on Radio station not brodcasting music go mono > yet tv on the=20 > other hand go stereo. What an joke?! We have an NPR/PBS affiliate FM station (KPBS 89.5) that during the day is mostly talk programming with mono, but overnight is classical music in stereo. There's also a cross-border blaster XHMORE 98.9FM broadcasting Rock en Espa=F1ol. They're lighting the stereo indicator on my Panasonic RQ-SW20, but in mono. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links =20 From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Thu Feb 05 14:23:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42918 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 22:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 22:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 22:23:21 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 46CA471FD0 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371251A008F for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040205165045.01ae3c80@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:54:47 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} FM gone Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; IPCR=n-w0,n100,g0 ; SERVER=66.218.86.247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please tell me that 103.7 WRUF isn't gone! I'm going to the villages where my parent just bought property and a house, and I loved that station when I was there just looking around last year with them. Noooo! It was so local, too.... At least one aircheck of them I have. (Sigh), At 07:58 PM 02/05/2004 +0000, you wrote:has tell me that 103.7 >Theirs a FM Station in Gainville,Florida north of Ocala.This station >was like most >FMstation a rock Stereo Station,now its a tacke Formate and they now >brodcast in >Mono,so it seems that on Radio station not brodcasting music go mono >yet tv on the >other hand go stereo. What an joke?! > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Feb 05 16:20:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23940 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 00:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 00:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 00:20:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 00:18:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:18:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 99 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.7.64 Subject: AMS Samples from Kevin T X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.245 I ask once again how about some samples from your newly aquirred 220a then ? Share the bandwidth! From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 16:38:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69992 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 00:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 00:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 00:38:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 00:38:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:38:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040205165045.01ae3c80@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1666 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Rock 104/Gainesville (WRUF-FM) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.252 John: I don't think Rock 104 in Gainesville, Florida (WRUF-FM 103.7) is going anywhere any time soon...I worked there from 1996-1998 as a jock and was also Assistant Program Director, and the station has a big heritage in the market, so I don't think it's on its way out any time soon. The station that is being referred to I think is WSKY/97.3, which since 1998 has had a News/Talk format, but prior to that was Adult Album Alternative Rock WRRX "97X" (and on 97.7 with weaker power). On a side note, yes, Rock 104 is very live and local...Aside from the morning show, the station is entirely staffed by students from the University of Florida (except for top management). -Tony --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > please tell me that 103.7 WRUF isn't gone! > I'm going to the villages where my parent just bought property and a house, and I loved that station when I was there just looking around last year with them. > Noooo! It was so local, too.... At least one aircheck of them I have. (Sigh), > > At 07:58 PM 02/05/2004 +0000, you wrote:has tell me that 103.7 > >Theirs a FM Station in Gainville,Florida north of Ocala.This station > >was like most > >FMstation a rock Stereo Station,now its a tacke Formate and they now > >brodcast in > >Mono,so it seems that on Radio station not brodcasting music go mono > >yet tv on the > >other hand go stereo. What an joke?! > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 16:57:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65062 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 00:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 00:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 00:57:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 00:57:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:57:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 553 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: FM gone Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.248 One of my bosses here where I currently work used to own a radio station and he also ran his FM Mono for coverage reasons, but he sent out a low level pilot tone because he reasoned that many listeners used it as a 'tuning light'. Unlike AM, I have indeed been able to tell the difference in coverage when an FM is in Mono. 93.5 in Naples was Mono talk for a while in the 90s and it had a much better signal in the Sanibel area (north of Naples)...When they returned to a music format and put the Stereo back on, the coverage decreased. --tony From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Feb 05 17:29:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 313 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 01:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 01:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 01:29:02 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.209.17.134]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20040206012900.TCVU1950.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:29:00 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c3ec50$9aa06e90$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:29:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.67 From: "Juan / John Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FM gone Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.248 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wasn't 103.1 Mono when it was in Okeechobee w/ Country music ? Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 7:57 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: FM gone Mono One of my bosses here where I currently work used to own a radio station and he also ran his FM Mono for coverage reasons, but he sent out a low level pilot tone because he reasoned that many listeners used it as a 'tuning light'. Unlike AM, I have indeed been able to tell the difference in coverage when an FM is in Mono. 93.5 in Naples was Mono talk for a while in the 90s and it had a much better signal in the Sanibel area (north of Naples)...When they returned to a music format and put the Stereo back on, the coverage decreased. --tony Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ b.. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Feb 05 18:01:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9819 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 02:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 02:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.194) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 02:01:22 -0000 Received: from storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 29096105CD for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:01:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id SAA11480; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:01:20 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQSGtOalvI7/am7oVKIVBGkcD4l2gIVALLLC9JV719Zv01bcfvM0vaWxZ4P Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:01:20 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <23787-4022F570-3924@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 5 Feb 2004 16:53:25 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.194 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: Visteon's HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.247 While the company I work for was dropped as an Visteon Service & Repair center as of 12/05/2002 I can offer some suggestions on finding some of these new HD (IBOC) radios. Visteon (Ford) repair centers receive a supply of new model radios every year. both "float" and "upgrade radios" Floats are used for in warranty exchanges to dealers. Floats are generally not sold outright until they are well past the typical warranty period of 3 to 4 years. Repair centers can buy OEM radios to supply the Ford/ Lincoln/ Mercury dealerships with radios for upgrades. Say a customer wants a radio with additional features than the stock radio their car, truck came equipped with, the dealer could order an upgrade radio for their customer. These usually are over-run of the OEM radios installed at the Ford factory. In case of a really all new radio design Like the IBOC model, It might take a while for upgrade radios to be available. I don't know about policys at other Visteon Service Centers, but while we were still Visteon we could sell upgrade radios direct to the consumer at a marked up price over the dealer price. In many cases we were a better deal than going though the regular Ford Car Dealers. Anyway you look at it , the IBOC , HD radio is going to pricey. Watch Out!!! Visteon "aftermarket " radios sold to retail outlets, did NOT always have the same feautures that the OEM version has. THE CD-6 is a good example. Original OEM CD-6 should have AM Stereo capabilty, most(or all) of the Aftermarket ones DO NOT!! And you can't tell from the Radio part number. I found that most Ford dealers are not real knowledgeable on radios, ( not really their fault) but the dealers rely heavily on the Service & repair centers expertise on radio matters. Once in a while you will find a knowledgable person on the radio systems at the dealership level. BTW- My experience was that on many of the brand new designs, Visteon wanted defective warranty radios sent back to them for engineering analysis. This helps to give real world data on any design problems, that could lead to production changes that might need to be addressed, Sometimes this is called "beta testing". Sometimes unexpected flaws are found that the designers had not anticipated. I would expect this on IBOC radios since they are really cutting-edge technology. Bill S. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From dav259@csiro.au Thu Feb 05 19:14:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16902 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 03:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 03:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 03:14:23 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1636oKY022104 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:06:51 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:06:50 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Oz DAB Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.246 This is the first report of the Eureka DAB testing in Sydney - from Robertson ... who likes to be known as "radio_2gb" Hullo ffolkes, I have my English DAB receiver (actually a tuner) sitting adjacent to me, as I speak. In Sydney, there are 13 stations on it, with varying quality. WS (stereo) Nova (stereo) 2KY (stereo) ABC Classic FM (stereo) 2gb bluddy mono 2CH bluddy mono 2UE stereo (that'll show AJ) a couple of SBS stations (couldn't understand them) A test station IN MONO (ain't that an irony!) 2SM in stereo Stereo is 196kb/s Mono is 160-odd. The system seems immune to multi-path. The frequencies are around 200mhz (near Channel Nine), so a VHF -TV antenna is needed. I'm using an FM antenna and I have enough RF to run the house lights on. The best-sounding are 2KY (although I haven't heard their music yet - just people horsing around), and ABC Classic FM. There's little evidence of compression, though some of the FM stations (commercial) do tend to "peak" the signal which sounds crappy. Over all, a lot more attention to detail is called for - one hears distortion in commercials, weird equalization in promos, etc etc ,but the potential is there. It would seem that digital-all-the-way is the way to go, with limiting only. The "trial" is for 18 months, so you buy any receiver at your own risk. One of the obvious advantages (apart from the great sound) is that networks could have the same frequencies in ALL capital cities - not that frequencies matter - my tuner scans and puts the station away. Anyway, the feeling of PRESENCE is terrific. When someone stops speaking, you hear nothing. DAB is really worth listening to on a good hi-fi, with a decent signal. By the way, I BOUGHT my tuner, the CRA people lent their other tuners to everyone else. That seems to have worked - this group is just choca-block with their reports.... ha ha. I'm going to stop writing now... p.s. by the way, I have digital out (48khz) on this beastie...nice. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 20:46:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36902 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 04:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 04:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 04:46:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 04:46:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 04:46:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c3ec50$9aa06e90$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1070 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: {AMSF} Re: FM gone Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.249 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > Wasn't 103.1 Mono when it was in Okeechobee w/ Country music ? Good one....You should've been with me that day in 2000 that I ran into Mr. Stokes when I did my pilgrimage to Okeechobee to find the roots of my former employer (103.1 is now West Palm's the Buzz WPBZ)...Stokes himself put the station on the air (along with partner Charles Castle) in July of 1965....I drove up to the site and the man himself was there doing surveying to move the tower across the street (the tower contained the AM which was active, and the FM bays were still there although obviously inactive)....I believe he sold what he had left (WOKC-AM) to Glades Media (WAFC Clewiston, etc)...As I personally knew very little of the station until I became involved with it in 1998 (and by then it was Stereo and 'moved in' to the Palm Beach area), I couldn't tell you whether 103.1 was Mono or not when it was country WLMC (later WOKC-FM "KC-103").....Maybe someone else on this list knows. --tony From krichards@wor710.com Fri Feb 06 02:58:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74004 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 10:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 10:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 10:58:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 10:58:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:58:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040205182743.83698.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2837 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Sorry, but we do not at present have a good C-Quam exciter for connection to the 317C. I do have access to a Motorola unit, but it will need major work, a new Xtal, and then I'll have to deal with all the issues inside the 317C, let alone the condition of the Exciter and Monitor. I'm sure although at one time it did pass the Powerside signal it will still need a lot of work. 317c's are notorius for IPM from three major sources, the front end tuning, the finals and the intergid tuning and lastly any power supply issues or "tight tuning" in the rear end. Also, the Motorola mod monitor would have to be calibrated, and who is going to do this? These units have been unsupported by the factory for a long time now. These issues take time on an old beast, and setup is always a big optimization and tradeoff of separation vs distortion, and continuous comparisons to the "phony" output of the Motorola exciter. In one respect if you insert modern day un-processed pink noise into the exciter, tune-up can be easier than it used to be with an oscillator. We also have the modified oscillator card for the front end of the 317C with a BNC TTL input so it's probably almost plug and play. The other major stumbling block was (until Frank Foti visted us) we did not have a Stereo Processor for analog, the Ominia does have L and R analog out. This also raises one other issue whether or not we can flip the software in the 5EX to generate a wideband signal out into the Stereo Exciter, since it currently is delivering a 6khz wide signal into the analog domain, even though it is delivered through an AES output. Obviously, later this year when we complete the modifications to our plant for stereo then I might think about this, but we really have so many pokers in the fire it's just not a high priority nor does there seem to be the time to do any of this work, but I will keep it in the back of my mind. Now you see why in a Modern day situation C-Quam is not easy from numerous standpoints. One advantage I can see is we would gain a cleaner front end on the beast, but to get there could take a week of work, and I cannot devote that kind of time in our already busy engineering department. Remember Mr. Continental is only on air 5 hours each week. When nightime IBOC hits, then this kind of a project would be moot. Kerry......... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Tom & Kerry & WOR BE Team: > Could you guys use CQuam on the backup tranny during the overnight when you're > giving the big one a rest each week? The Visteon radio has both IBOC/HD-R and > CQuam reception doesn't it? > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From tomray@wor710.com Fri Feb 06 03:05:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80482 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 11:05:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 11:05:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 11:05:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 11:03:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:03:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 950 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: WOR aux X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray I'd have to look back in the logs....but that was when we were tightening connections in the tuning houses. We put the aux on the air to excercise it and kept it at low power to double check the antenna system readings before kicking things up. I don't think the CRL system has been on the air in a few years. We probably turned the 9100 down so we weren't slamming the antenna with really hot peaks or high average modulation until we were sure everything was OK. There are a lot of things to tighten in the tuning houses.....forget one thing and you get melted stuff. Kerry also at some point wanted to see what the system would sound like if he fired the STL directly into the transmitter, and this may have been one of the times, and in this case, there would only be peak the limiting that's in front of the STL's for protection. And those glass vacuum capacitors....they make a rather expensive sound when they break!! TR From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Feb 06 09:40:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7344 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 17:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 17:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 17:40:49 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.13.) id r.92.2b9e559 (3310) for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:40:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <92.2b9e559.2d552b8f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:40:31 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.161 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/6/04 6:06:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 krichards@wor710.com writes: > Now you see why in a Modern day situation C-Quam is not easy from=20 > numerous standpoints. >=20 > One advantage I can see is we would gain a cleaner front end on the=20 > beast, Even with todays "plug 'n play boxes"..like Nautels and BEs just to name a= =20 few,there are=20 -M-A-N-Y- issues that have to be dealt with to make everything work properl= y=20 in the C-Quam world.In the end it is nice having a sharper sounding station= on=20 the dial..whether if you're listening in mono or stereo. The old tube transmitters are a whole 'nother class of there own.Once you g= et=20 them where they will work and pass a clean C-Quam signal.....its almost a=20 constant "battle" per say to keep them operating that way...been there and = done=20 that with two older transmitters.Trust me..with Kerry having explained what= all=20 is involved...its a little more than pushing a switch. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Feb 06 09:45:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26513 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 17:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 17:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 17:45:08 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.13.) id r.67.21b9bb9c (3310) for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:43:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <67.21b9bb9c.2d552c5d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:43:57 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.161 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR aux X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/6/04 6:10:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, tomray@wor710.c= om=20 writes: > And those glass vacuum capacitors....they make a rather expensive=20 > sound when they break!! >=20 > TR >=20 Haha!...yeah like cha-ching! as you see $$$$ flying out the window...and th= e=20 bean counter running towards you with his "ugly stick". Not pretty! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Fri Feb 06 09:50:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62558 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 17:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 17:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 17:50:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 17:48:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:48:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <92.2b9e559.2d552b8f@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 181 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: Trust me..with Kerry having explained what all > is involved...its a little more than pushing a switch. Amen! Tom Ray From tomray@wor710.com Fri Feb 06 09:54:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94667 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 17:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 17:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 17:54:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 17:53:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:53:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 546 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Kenwood Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Just got a note from Kenwood. The following 2 small dealers will have the HR100 module available most likely starting next week - if their order hasn't been delivered yet, it will be by next week: Auto Image & Security in East Brunswick, NJ Beacon Stores, Inc in Vineland, NJ They also have a bunch that have been delivered to distributorships that distribute to the NY/NJ area, but they don't have the names of the stores these distributors serve. I'm attempting to get some store names and will let you know when I know. Tom Ray WOR From castellano105@yahoo.com Fri Feb 06 10:12:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10594 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 18:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 18:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 18:12:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 18:10:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:10:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 114 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 207.69.138.200 Subject: FM gone Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 TO Clear the air it was not 103,but 97.3 FM that has gone Mono in Gainville Florida. So don't panic you Rockers. From dougharding@mindspring.com Fri Feb 06 10:43:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29700 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 18:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 18:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 18:43:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 18:41:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:41:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1438 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: FM coverage is much better in mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I was the chief engineer at WFPL-FM and WFPK-FM in Louisville Ky back in the seventies. They are both 100,000 watt stations. WFPL was a npr talk station and I ran it in mono for better coverage. There were a couple of stereo shows from time to time and we actually ran a fancy announcment "WFPL presents the following program in stereo for your added enjoyment" It had music and was very professionally done. When the stereo show was done off went the pilot and we were back in mono. Of course the classical station was in stereo. On the classical station the board directly fed the transmitter with NO limiter or processing. On a good home system we sounded incredible. Just to add what we all here already know, if we had been AM stereo it would have made no difference in our coverage. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > One of my bosses here where I currently work used to own a radio > station and he also ran his FM Mono for coverage reasons, but he sent > out a low level pilot tone because he reasoned that many listeners > used it as a 'tuning light'. > Unlike AM, I have indeed been able to tell the difference in coverage > when an FM is in Mono. 93.5 in Naples was Mono talk for a while in > the 90s and it had a much better signal in the Sanibel area (north of > Naples)...When they returned to a music format and put the Stereo > back on, the coverage decreased. > > --tony From dougharding@mindspring.com Fri Feb 06 11:06:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84428 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 19:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 19:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 19:06:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 19:06:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:06:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Calibration of a Motorola Modulation Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding If it is a Motorola 1310 then Delta might be able to calibrate it. If it is a 1410 those were built by BE and are the same unit as their current AS-10. Of course I do not know if Delta or BE would want to fool with it. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > > > Also, the Motorola mod monitor would have to be calibrated, and who > is going to do this? These units have been unsupported by the factory > for a long time now. > >m/filing.html From krichards@wor710.com Fri Feb 06 11:11:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92225 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 19:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 19:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 19:11:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 19:09:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:09:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 365 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.174.241 Subject: WPEN 950 turns on the HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 We heard that WPEN 950 Philadelphia has turned on the HD radio using an Omnia 5EX processor,and shut off the C-Quam for good. Any reports about how far the digital carriers are traveling? and how does the analog sound now? We also hear Philly will be getting a few more HD stations shortly including one other one that is currently using C-Quam. Kerry..... From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Fri Feb 06 15:20:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84725 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 23:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 23:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11908.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.192) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 23:20:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20040206232039.49254.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.75.227.85] by web11908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:20:39 PST Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:20:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, ABDX@topica.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.192 From: "Tn S." Subject: Radio Unica practically over X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thursday at midnight was pretty much the end of Radio Unica...100000watts.com reports that the O & Os in most cities (which were taken over by Multicultural Broadcasting)flipped to a temporary feed of a Spanish News/Talk "Radio Formula" network...Not exactly sure what that is as the O&O (and flagship) here in Miami, WNMA/1210, has apparently switched to jockless Spanish Top 40 music with occasional sweepers, PSAs, and an emphatic TOH announcement that despite the changes, the station (at least here in Miami) WILL remain in Spanish...100000watts.com also reports that Unica affiliates WNTD/Chicago and KBLA/Los Angeles will eventually be part of the new Liberal "Air America" network. Someone I work with (who also works with Unica) says that the Unica network, despite being left with practically no (if any) affiliates, is still alive and well, and will continue to function until May. What are the former Unica affiliates doing in your cities? -Tony --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Feb 06 15:32:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61696 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 23:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 23:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 23:32:31 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.1d3.192092bf (3972) for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:31:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1d3.192092bf.2d557de9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:31:53 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.97 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FM coverage is much better in mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/6/04 2:37:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 dougharding@mindspring.com writes: > When > the stereo show was done off went the pilot and we were back in mono. > Of course the classical station was in stereo. On the classical > station the board directly fed the transmitter with NO limiter or > processing. On a good home system we sounded incredible. >=20 > Just to add what we all here already know, if we had been AM stereo it > would have made no difference in our coverage.=20 >=20 With todays "better" radios [depends on what you call better of course],tha= t=20 have the stereo to mono blend feature,there really isnt any difference in=20 coverage. What makes an FM station appear to have a decrease in coverage is= the=20 added noise you hear in older receivers without that blend feature.I'm sure= this=20 could be the same case for AM stations as in the stereo mode the receiver=20 will give you added noise when the signal strength falls below a certain=20 threshold ....could also be refered to as signal to noise ratio.Read the s= pecs on=20 your stereo receivers..it'll tell you most of the time what signal strength= =20 requires the radio to go into or out of stereo mode. Usually this is a weak= =20 signal...so it is going to be noisy. The signal strength,like in AM does n= ot change=20 when you go from mono to stereo modes....the "problem" goes right back to t= he=20 receiver. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Feb 06 15:36:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58185 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 23:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 23:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 23:36:27 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.1a2.1ff67a43 (3972) for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:35:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1a2.1ff67a43.2d557ed1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:35:45 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.101 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEN 950 turns on the HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/6/04 2:48:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 krichards@wor710.com writes: > We heard that WPEN 950 Philadelphia has turned on the HD radio using=20 > an Omnia 5EX processor,and shut off the C-Quam for good.=20 >=20 >=20 What is WPENs typical coverage area..daytime/nighttime? Cant say I've ever= =20 heard them in coastal North Carolina during the day or night. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Feb 06 15:48:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42951 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 23:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 23:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 23:48:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 23:47:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 23:47:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040206232039.49254.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1313 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Radio Unica practically over X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tn S." wrote: > Thursday at midnight was pretty much the end of Radio Unica...100000watts.com reports that the O & Os in most cities (which were taken over by Multicultural Broadcasting)flipped to a temporary feed of a Spanish News/Talk "Radio Formula" network...Not exactly sure what that is as the O&O (and flagship) here in Miami, WNMA/1210, has apparently switched to jockless Spanish Top 40 music with occasional sweepers, PSAs, and an emphatic TOH announcement that despite the changes, the station (at least here in Miami) WILL remain in Spanish...100000watts.com also reports that Unica affiliates WNTD/Chicago and KBLA/Los Angeles will eventually be part of the new Liberal "Air America" network. > > Someone I work with (who also works with Unica) says that the Unica network, despite being left with practically no (if any) affiliates, is still alive and well, and will continue to function until May. > > What are the former Unica affiliates doing in your cities? > > -Tony > 1470 XERCN Tijuana: http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=124843&Board=sandiego > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oscar@globility.com Fri Feb 06 16:09:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70590 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 00:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 00:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 00:09:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2004 00:07:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:07:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1149 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.226.41 Subject: Re: Oz DAB Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > This is the first report of the Eureka DAB testing in Sydney - from > Robertson ... who likes to be known as "radio_2gb" > > > Hullo ffolkes, > I have my English DAB receiver (actually a tuner) sitting adjacent > Anyway, the feeling of PRESENCE is terrific. When someone stops > speaking, you hear nothing. > DAB is really worth listening to on a good hi-fi, with a decent > signal. > By the way, I BOUGHT my tuner, the CRA people lent their other tuners I apologize in advance if it appears I'm being critical of your description of how good DAB appears to sound. However, your comment is an interesting one when you say "DAB is really worth listening to on a good hi-fi, with a decent signal." I believe any good FM tuner can pretty much match that performance. You also allude to the premise that DAB suffers from the same reception anomalies as does both AM and FM. I wonder what DAB would sound like on a less-than- good DAB receiver. I also wonder what people are going to be listening to, the music or the quiet. Just an observation. MS From oscar@globility.com Fri Feb 06 16:19:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45271 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 00:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 00:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 00:19:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2004 00:18:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:18:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <23787-4022F570-3924@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 996 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.226.41 Subject: Re: Visteon's HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > BTW- My experience was that on many of the brand new designs, > Visteon wanted defective warranty radios sent back to them for > engineering analysis. This helps to give real world data on any design > problems, that could lead to production changes that might need to be > addressed, Sometimes this is called "beta testing". Sometimes > unexpected flaws are found that the designers had not anticipated. > I would expect this on IBOC radios since they are really cutting-edge > technology. Pardon my skepticism, this is also not a criticism of what you have said, but I'm curious what is being referred to as "cutting edge technology". At the outset, it appeared that IBOC was only concerned with the demodulation and decoding of their signal. Correct me if I'm wrong, it also appears the rest of the radio is a typical, synthesized rf product with nothing out of the ordinary about it. MS From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Fri Feb 06 16:56:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90024 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 00:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 00:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 00:55:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2004 00:54:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:54:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 75 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.9.229 Subject: 256k DAB in Spain! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/satjordi/dab/ Clickl on 1st link From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 06 18:27:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97290 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 02:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 02:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 02:08:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2004 02:08:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 02:08:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 683 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.7 Subject: Re: FM coverage is much better in mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WFPL was a npr talk station and I ran it in mono for better > coverage. There were a couple of stereo shows from time to time and > we actually ran a fancy announcment "WFPL presents the following > program in stereo for your added enjoyment" It had music and was > very professionally done. To this day, New York City's 93.9 WNYC-FM is mono during talk programs and Stereo during music programs. They switch the FM Stereo pilot on or off at the top of the hour. It used to be a rule that FM stations were required to switch off the stereo pilot if they were broadcasting mono programming for more than a certain amount of time (maybe 15 minutes, but that's just a guess). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 06 18:46:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62876 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 01:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 01:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 01:58:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2004 01:58:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 01:58:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2050 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.7 Subject: Re: WPEN 950 turns on the HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > We heard that WPEN 950 Philadelphia has turned on the HD radio > using an Omnia 5EX processor, and shut off the C-Quam for good. > Any reports about how far the digital carriers are traveling? and > how does the analog sound now? Attached below is the response I received from WPEN's Chief Engineer, Larry Paulausky. WPEN seems to be running their digital sidebands at a lower level than WOR, and also their analog modulation (5 kHz mono, day and night) is noticeably reduced compared to when they were pure analog, just as I have noticed from every IBOC station except WOR. WPEN's owner, Greater Media, has been supportive of IBOC, but I do not get the impression that they are "gung-ho" about it. None of their AM stations are blessed with the best signals, especially at night, so I doubt they would continue to use IBOC if it hurts more than it helps. Also, WPEN's audience primarily consists of senior citizens, which are both the most likely to have AM Stereo radios in their Cadillacs and Lincolns, and also the least likely to rush out and spend $500+ on an IBOC receiver, even *if* they could find one. ---------------------------- Dear Mr. Tekel - Your e-mail concerning WPEN's transmission of HD Radio was referred to me, and I am pleased to respond. You have correctly surmised that WPEN has begun broadcasting in HD Radio during daytime operation. Our efforts at this point are for the purpose of evaluating this system and its potential impact on our coverage and quality of signal, and your comments about the relative merits of this system and conventional C-QUAM AM Stereo are certainly welcome and appreciated, and well-worthy of consideration. Thank you for your detailed observations of WPEN's signal quality, for your thoughtfully stated opinions, and for your interest in the technical operations of WPEN. We hope you will continue to listen whenever your reception conditions in central New Jersey permit. Best regards, Larry Paulausky Chief Engineer WPEN Radio ---------------------------- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 06 18:56:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10578 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 02:56:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 02:56:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 02:56:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2004 02:56:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 02:56:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 174 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.7 Subject: OT: big arc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The best way to describe this video clip of a 500,000-volt electrical arc is, "Don't try this at home, kids!" http://www.unf.edu/~lsnedden/500Kv.mpg (MPEG video, 1.5 MB) From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Feb 06 23:31:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15333 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 07:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 07:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 07:31:46 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-68-122-181-45.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [68.122.181.45]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i177VcV16430; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:31:38 -0800 Message-ID: <001601c3ed4b$b3d1b120$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:26:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: KABL AM 960 web stream X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if any body read my last post about KABL AM 960. Thay have a web cast know. I wish i could hear it in preson from a radio but i am to far away for that i gess. There web address is www.960kabl.com It sounds ok for a web cast. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Fri Feb 06 23:53:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29461 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 07:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 07:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 07:53:40 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i177rDKY029728 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 18:53:14 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 18:53:13 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: am stereo forum In-Reply-To: <001601c3ed4b$b3d1b120$c188fea9@jimsmith> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} KABL AM 960 web stream X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, jimsmith wrote: > I don't know if any body read my last post about KABL AM 960. Thay have a > web cast know. I wish i could hear it in preson from a radio but i am to > far away for that i gess. There web address is www.960kabl.com It sounds > ok for a web cast. Jim S I listened Jim. I thought it was pretty good - though in mono. A nice blend of popular evergreens and good presenters. What made it difficult was the dreadful repetitive thump thump music they went to every time there was a commercial break. Why on earth we in Melbourne, Aust are forbidden to hear some local San Francisco advertisements is a complete mystery to me. Ian From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 07 00:20:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18066 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 08:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 08:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 08:20:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2004 08:19:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 08:19:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 382 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.115 Subject: Re: {AMSF} KABL AM 960 web stream X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > What made it difficult was the dreadful repetitive thump thump music they > went to every time there was a commercial break. Why on earth we in > Melbourne, Aust are forbidden to hear some local San Francisco > advertisements is a complete mystery to me. Copyright and royalty issues. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 07 00:20:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8074 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 08:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 08:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 08:20:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2004 08:18:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 08:18:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 806 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 68.122.181.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} KABL AM 960 web stream X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, jimsmith wrote: > > > I don't know if any body read my last post about KABL AM 960. Thay have a > > web cast know. I wish i could hear it in preson from a radio but i am to > > far away for that i gess. There web address is www.960kabl.com It sounds > > ok for a web cast. Jim S > > > I listened Jim. > > I thought it was pretty good - though in mono. A nice blend of popular > evergreens and good presenters. > > What made it difficult was the dreadful repetitive thump thump music they > went to every time there was a commercial break. Why on earth we in > Melbourne, Aust are forbidden to hear some local San Francisco > advertisements is a complete mystery to me. > > Ian pattens jim s From dougharding@mindspring.com Sat Feb 07 06:54:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74397 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 14:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 14:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 14:54:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2004 14:53:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:53:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 188 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.119.237 Subject: Panasonic HD Car Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Crutchfield has in their new catalog the Panasonic CQ-CB9900U AM/FM stereo/HD/CD/MPG/WMA. The HD is built into the radio. The cost is $999.00. The crutchfield catalog number is 133CB9900. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Feb 07 13:03:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32368 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 21:03:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 21:03:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 21:03:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2004 21:02:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:02:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 318 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 65.71.92.106 Subject: expanded band question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Since I don't know my radio history... maybe someone can post an answer to this: If an old Emerson tube radio from the 30's, such as this one, used to tune all the way up to 1700 kHz: http://www.radiophile.com/emstrad.htm Then why (and when) did radios begin appearing with coverage only up to 1620 or so.... ??? From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 07 13:15:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99112 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 21:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 21:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 21:15:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20040207211402.67217.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 13:14:02 PST Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 13:14:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} expanded band question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Douglas B." wrote: > Since I don't know my radio history... maybe someone > can post an answer to this: > > If an old Emerson tube radio from the 30's, such as > this one, used to tune all the way > up to 1700 kHz: > http://www.radiophile.com/emstrad.htm > > Then why (and when) did radios begin appearing with > coverage only up to 1620 or > so.... ??? Prior to WW II the AM BC band ENDED at 1500. Above that to 1600 was the hifi experimental band, and above that was the OLD police band. My Philco 46-1209 will tune to 1750, and that takes in that old Police band! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From johnsyros2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 07 13:29:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: johnsyros2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44454 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 21:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 21:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60403.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.186) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 21:29:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20040207212854.76841.qmail@web60403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.249.18.67] by web60403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 13:28:54 PST Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 13:28:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1070259972.52164.34325.w6@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.186 From: john syros Subject: Alfredo's, "Lite" or "Heavy"? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159848949 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnsyros2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everybody, A lot of discussion has been made recently concerning Alfredo's Lite and a lot of discussion has taken place. Please allow me to submit a few remarks and questions about that particular matter. As I realised, Alfredo, a very genius and excellent designer, has published in his site, some quite interesting and detailed Notes, Schematics and PCB-Boards, for the building of a very rare AM-Stereo Exciter, as well as, a small Linear RF Amplifier for it, and a Compressor-Enhancer for the same purpose, with relatively accessible components for the average radio-enthousiast. All units of the Exciter, were compact, easy to built, cleverly and practically designed. I really congradulate him and consider him the first inspirator and pilgrim of a unique, popular AM-Stereo device, the only one world-wide. I etched two epoxie PCB-boards and started the heavy original C-QUAM Exciter project, step by step, although I still face some difficulties in obtaining some obsolete ICs, certain of the needed filter-coils (!) and the proper crystal for the selected frequency, (I intend to use it on the 1,620Kc frequency) and of course, finally, a proper AM-Stereo receiver, without of which, I shall be unable to monitor the Stereo result. I hope that finally I will overcome all those difficulties. Still, the local markets here are not so afluent in components and reliable AM-Stereo radios, and to my opinion, nowdays the manufacturers discontinue to produce them. Pitty..... Now, so time and then, I read in the Forum a lot of literature, concerning the Alfredo's Lite design again and again, some modifications and improovements of it, or some recent Kits available. I do not know the differences between the "Heavy" one I am building, (almost finishing now) and the "Lite" version, or their performances. To my opinion, the one I am building must be more professional than the Lite one, but both can be further improved to perfection. If anyone in the Forum has any knowledge about them, any comparisons, or any suggestions and comments, I will be glad to listen to them. All the best to everybody and especially to the leader-Alfredo. John Syros Athens-Greece --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Feb 07 15:30:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53792 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 23:30:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 23:30:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 23:30:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2004 23:30:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 23:30:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040207211402.67217.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 262 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.141.178.54 Subject: Re: {AMSF} expanded band question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Thanks! Very helpful... > Prior to WW II the AM BC band ENDED at 1500. Above > that to 1600 was the hifi experimental band, and above > that was the OLD police band. My Philco 46-1209 will > tune to 1750, and that takes in that old Police band! > > Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 07 15:53:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8560 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 23:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 23:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 23:53:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2004 23:53:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 23:53:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1191 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.115 Subject: Re: expanded band question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > Since I don't know my radio history... maybe someone can post an answer to this: > > If an old Emerson tube radio from the 30's, such as this one, used to tune all the way > up to 1700 kHz: > http://www.radiophile.com/emstrad.htm > > Then why (and when) did radios begin appearing with coverage only up to 1620 or > so.... ??? Radios of that period were intended to receive the high- fidelity "Apex" stations from 1500-1700, which unlike the rest of the regular AM broadcast band below 1500, the "Apex" stations were set up in 20kHz channels, instead of 10kHz. Also, in some areas, this was the Police and Fire bands. The expansion of the regular AM broadcast band to 1600 occured in the early 1940s, when most police/fire and similar services migrated to the low VHF bands above 30MHz. 1600-1700 was left to some fixed services like non-directional beacons, until the early 1990s, when it was opened up to what we now call the "Expanded Band" portion of the AM broadcast band. Thje US is currently the only country I'm aware of where licensed broadcasting occurs above 1620. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 07 16:05:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80394 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 00:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 00:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 00:05:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 00:05:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:05:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040207212854.76841.qmail@web60403.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 874 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.115 Subject: Re: Alfredo's, "Lite" or "Heavy"? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, john syros wrote: > Hello everybody, =snip= > I do not know the differences between the "Heavy" one I am building, (almost finishing now) and the "Lite" version, or their performances. To my opinion, the one I am building > must be more professional than the Lite one, but both can be further improved to perfection. The difference between the two is that the Alfredo Lite has no linear RF amp or audio compressor/equaliser. Reason being is just where you're at- Trying to find the obsolete ICs & parts made it more difficult. It would be nice if the Alfredo Lite's schematic, with all the modifications added since Alfredo's original transmitter design, were made available- Chris Cuff, who makes them has made some considerable improvements to the design over the last few years. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Feb 07 16:07:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36637 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 00:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 00:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 00:07:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20040208000726.49169.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.216] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 16:07:26 PST Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:07:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.41 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: expanded band question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Australia uses it too I heard 1683 and 1701 on the expanded band but We only go to 1602 in NZ.It sounds a jumble of stuff between 1611 and 1638 here at night. Michael Amy Mousie wrote: Thje US is currently the only country I'm aware of where licensed broadcasting occurs above 1620. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Feb 07 16:08:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5320 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 00:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 00:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 00:08:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 00:07:32 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44996 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 08:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 08:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 08:56:05 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.116.2e62b575 (4246) for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 03:55:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <116.2e62b575.2d56021b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 03:55:55 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.38 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEN 950 turns on the HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Feb 2004 00:07:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 BAD MOVE, WPEN! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Feb 07 16:09:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54100 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 00:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 00:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 00:09:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 00:07:52 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15372 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 20:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 20:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 20:11:36 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.158.2d179aa8 (17526) for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:10:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <158.2d179aa8.2d56a025@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:10:13 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.99 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panasonic HD Car Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Feb 2004 00:07:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 $999.00? That's out of the price range of most Americans for a Low Definition IBOC radio. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 07 16:35:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96159 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 00:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 00:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 00:35:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 00:35:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:35:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1699 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.128 Subject: Re: expanded band question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 1600-1700 was left to some fixed services like non-directional > beacons, until the early 1990s, Actually, I don't think that allocation ever was officially deleted. So, theoretically, some of the "Fixed Service" licenses may remain in use in what is now the AM broadcast Expanded Band. Meanwhile, 1715-1800 kHz continues to be allocated to "Fixed Service", although these days it is all but deserted. Both AM broadcast stations and amateur radio operators have been eyeing this piece of spectrum for years, with ideas of expanding either the AM broadcast band or the 160-meter ham radio band (currently 1800-2000 kHz)... but I doubt the FCC has any intention of doing anything with it. And as navigational beacons and other services vacate it, the chunk of spectrum *below* the AM broadcast band is in a similar situation. The AM broadcast band could almost seamlessly be expanded down to 520 kHz, considering how many radios -- with either regular or digital tuning -- will tune down to that frequency. I even have a Becker (Mercedes OEM) car radio that tunes down to 510 kHz! And a large number of radios will tune 520-1720 kHz on AM, allowing a bit of expansion in either direction if the FCC so desires. > Thje US is currently the only country I'm aware of where licensed > broadcasting occurs above 1620. My 1995 World Radio/TV Handbook is nearly a decade out of date, but it shows these stations at or beyond the traditional AM band limits: 520 kHz - Germany x 2 526 kHz - Vatican City 1610 kHz - Anguilla (British West Indies) (200,000 watts) 1611 kHz - Vatican City (150,000 watts) 1620 kHz - Greece 1629 kHz - Australia 1656 kHz - Australia 1720 kHz - Australia From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 07 16:44:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32011 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 00:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 00:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 00:44:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 00:44:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:42:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 421 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.128 Subject: Re: Panasonic HD Car Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Crutchfield has in their new catalog the Panasonic CQ-CB9900U AM/FM > stereo/HD/CD/MPG/WMA. The HD is built into the radio. The cost is > $999.00. The crutchfield catalog number is 133CB9900. That price is a bit laughable, considering that I purchased my daily driver, a 1991 Volkswagen Golf, for $1100 last year. Add the cost of wiring adapters and sales tax, and that radio would cost as much as the whole car! From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Feb 07 17:29:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22769 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 01:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 01:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 01:29:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 01:29:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 01:29:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 359 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: expanded band question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > Thje US is currently the only country I'm aware of > where licensed broadcasting occurs above 1620. Believe it or not, The European versions of the "CC Radio" are showing that they go up to 1700khz...You can see them for yourself at www.sangean.nl..The model number is PRD3L....Not sure if this means that Europe is jumping on the EB bandwagon. -tony From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Feb 07 17:42:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68828 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 01:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 01:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 01:42:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 01:42:07 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42231 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 00:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 00:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 00:15:23 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.a0.4ac62d4 (3858) for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:15:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:15:09 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.103 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} expanded band question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Feb 2004 01:42:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 Some of us may remember reading about a "Radio Movin' Day" in 1941. This was due to the North American Regional Broadcasting Agreement (NARBA) of 1941. Stations above 720 kHz had to shift frequencies to accomodate the 1500-1600 expansion. In St. Louis, only KSD 550 (now KTRS) and KXOK 630 (now KJSL) stayed on their previously assigned frequencies. In St. Louis, this is how the dial looked before and after (current calls in parentheses): Sharetimers KSD (KTRS) and KFUO stayed on 550 KXOK (KJSL) stayed on 630 (having moved earlier from 1250) WEW moved from 760 to 770 KMOX moved from 1090 to 1120 (KMOX was originally licensed to Kirkwood, MO) WIL (WRTH) moved from 1200 to 1230 (they didn't move to 1430 until 1948) KWK (KSLG) moved from 1350 to 1380 WTMV (WESL) moved from 1500 to 1490 Of the 50 kW stations, many moved. Most notable was WSB Atlanta from 740 to 750, WJZ (WABC) New York from 760 to 770, WBBM Chicago from 770 to 780, WABC (WCBS) New York from 860 to 880, and WLS Chicago from 870 to 890. An ad for WLS' move from 870 to 890 told radio listeners to call their serviceman to reset the push-button presets to 890. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 07 18:59:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30316 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 02:59:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 02:59:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 02:59:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 02:58:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 02:58:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 298 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.128 Subject: Mystery AM transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Anybody have any clues about this rig? Maybe it's an old carrier- current transmitter, like what colleges used to use? With that hefty transformer, I'm guessing it's more than your typical flea-power 100 mW Part-15 transmitter... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3076261573 From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Feb 07 19:11:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47967 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 03:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 03:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 03:11:01 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.e6.46e26790 (4418) for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:10:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:10:56 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.8 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mystery AM transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/7/04 10:00:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3076261573 >=20 >=20 It appears to be an old 100 milliwatt transmitter.Looks can be deceiving=20 though.By the looks of the pic..its missing two tubes. The rather large transformer is a part of the power supply...probably multi= =20 taped to provide B+,screen and filament voltages. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From krichards@wor710.com Sat Feb 07 21:05:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74069 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 05:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 05:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 05:05:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 05:05:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 05:05:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1784 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mystery AM transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Looks home brew to me, especially the way the buttons are mounted.... Kerry.. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 2/7/04 10:00:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > kevtronics@y... writes: >=20 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3076261573 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > It appears to be an old 100 milliwatt transmitter.Looks can be=20 deceiving=20 > though.By the looks of the pic..its missing two tubes. > The rather large transformer is a part of the power=20 supply...probably multi=20 > taped to provide B+,screen and filament voltages. >=20 > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > --------------------------------- > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with=20 engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@e...,MidAtlanticEngin@a... > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > --------------------------- >=20 > ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 > Radio------------------------------------------ > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp > Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) > _______________________________________________________ >=20 > * List owner: > Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 > Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 > Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 03:27:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6671 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 11:27:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 11:27:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 11:27:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20040208112703.14014.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 03:27:03 PST Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 03:27:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <158.2d179aa8.2d56a025@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panasonic HD Car Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > $999.00? That's out of the price range of most > Americans for a Low Definition > IBOC radio. That's out of the reach of most of us for ANY reason. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 03:29:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53600 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 11:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 11:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 11:29:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20040208112939.14259.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 03:29:39 PST Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 03:29:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: expanded band question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: Also, in some > areas, this was > the Police and Fire bands. > > The expansion of the regular AM broadcast band to > 1600 occured in the > early 1940s, when most police/fire and similar > services migrated to > the low VHF bands above 30MHz. 1600-1700 was left to > some fixed > services like non-directional beacons, until the > early 1990s, when it > was opened up to what we now call the "Expanded > Band" portion of the > AM broadcast band. Thje US is currently the only > country I'm aware of > where licensed broadcasting occurs above 1620. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Most of this stuff has finally migrated out of the 160 meter ham band too. I remember hearing an OHIO police CAR in that old band and it was in the early 60's!!! Yes, I heard the CAR not the base, as they obviously were running split. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 03:32:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9914 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 11:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 11:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 11:32:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20040208113234.67675.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 03:32:34 PST Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 03:32:34 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: speaking of 160 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > Meanwhile, 1715-1800 kHz continues to be allocated > to "Fixed > Service", although these days it is all but > deserted. Both AM > broadcast stations and amateur radio operators have > been eyeing this > piece of spectrum for years, with ideas of expanding > either the AM > broadcast band or the 160-meter ham radio band > (currently 1800-2000 > kHz)... but I doubt the FCC has any intention of > doing anything with > it. Quite a few AM hams have put retired BC transmitters on the ham bands, the easiest to do is 160. Neal.... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 03:37:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4884 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 11:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 11:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 11:37:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20040208113710.642.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 03:37:10 PST Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 03:37:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mystery AM transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > Anybody have any clues about this rig? Maybe it's > an old carrier- > current transmitter, like what colleges used to use? > With that hefty > transformer, I'm guessing it's more than your > typical flea-power > 100 mW Part-15 transmitter... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3076261573 Looks very home brew to me. I have a carrier-current linear, but it requires ALMOST as much drive as it puts out ( it's a tube type LPB) but I'd like the driver and the stuff to put it into the power lines.... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Feb 08 06:28:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45650 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 14:28:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 14:28:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 14:28:49 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i18ERS80059569 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 07:27:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001b01c3ee4f$af2d3b30$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 09:27:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} expanded band question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Of the 50 kW stations, many moved. Most notable was WSB Atlanta from 740 to > 750, WJZ (WABC) New York from 760 to 770, WBBM Chicago from 770 to 780, WABC > (WCBS) New York from 860 to 880, and WLS Chicago from 870 to 890. An ad for WLS' > move from 870 to 890 told radio listeners to call their serviceman to reset > the push-button presets to 890. We have an old Crosley console from the early to mid 1940's and the tuner template is marked with stations call letters. WLS, WWL, WGY, KMOX, WCAU (I believe), WLW, and others are imprinted on the face plate. I remember listening to WCAU and WGY and neither of them got out very well for A1 Clear Channels (not nouns). I remember WOAI constantly bombarded Philly and had a much-better signal in Indiana. I guess the ground conductivity in the northeast is as bad as they say. I must admit the sound on that sucker was incredible. Deep rich bass and clear trebles. I remember listening to American Airlines "Music Till Dawn" on WLW overnights when I was a kid, and NBC's "Monitor" weekends and my memory (unreliable) has that music sounding better than most of today's FM's. But as for setting the preset buttons...the problem with setting the buttons on the Crosley, it didn't matter where you set the push buttons. AM radio stations drifted so badly that you had to constantly ride the tuner to stay tuned in. The thing that I always wondered... didn't stations ever change call letters back in those days? To imprint station calls on a radio tuner today would be ludicrous. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 08:29:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67508 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 16:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 16:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 16:29:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 16:28:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:28:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01c3ee4f$af2d3b30$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 854 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 Subject: Re: {AMSF} expanded band question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > The thing that I always wondered... didn't stations ever change call letters > back in those days? A station I used to work at not only changed call letters, it moved about 3 hours north in 1927/28....WHBN moved from a Methodist Church in St. Petersburg, Florida, to the University of Florida campus in Gainesville, Florida, and became WRUF, where it still is today....While call letter changes were not necessarily common back then, they apparently did happen. More common back then was moving stations over long distances...KYW moved from Chicago to Philadelphia..Something else that was in vogue was the "portable radio station"...A gentleman by the name of C.L. Carrell had several..One of them was WHBM, and he would take it to towns that didn't have radio stations, and set them up for a few days and broadcast from there. --tony From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sun Feb 08 12:05:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59027 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 20:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 20:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 20:05:16 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B01B7DCB0A for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 20:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65061CBC860 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040208125735.06197ad8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 12:59:07 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040208112703.14014.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <158.2d179aa8.2d56a025@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panasonic HD Car Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heh. I'm not spending that just to try an Iboc station. Waaaaay too much money. At 03:27 AM 02/08/2004 -0800, you wrote: >That's out of the reach of most of us for ANY reason. > >Powell John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Feb 08 13:56:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61392 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 21:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 21:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 21:56:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 21:56:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:56:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040207212854.76841.qmail@web60403.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 706 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: 216.221.139.141 Subject: Re: Alfredo's, "Lite" or "Heavy"? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I can answer this one, as I designed the "Alfredo Lite" and brought it to reality. I also built a few of the original design exciters, but decided to make a smaller version, without the peak limiter IC's which became unavailable. I modified it - actually "tweaked" it as time went on since making the first "lite" 4 years ago. There was also the matter of cost. As a demonstration device, I wanted it to be good, and very affordable- Both goals having been met. After the first dozen or so, I had my PC board made for me- a real time saver. Now, I am about to make these available in build-it-yourself kits- as soon as I am comfortable that there won't be any disiasters in my instructions. Chris From dougharding@mindspring.com Sun Feb 08 13:59:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47561 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 21:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 21:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 21:59:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 21:59:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:59:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040208125735.06197ad8@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.155.218 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panasonic HD Car Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I would not buy one either. You can get XM satellite radio for under $300. Local Miami radio lost me last summer when I went XM. I was just informing the group that there is aparently one HD radio out there. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > Heh. I'm not spending that just to try an Iboc station. Waaaaay too much money. > RainAngelsRule@h... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Feb 08 14:02:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42245 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 22:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 22:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 22:02:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 22:02:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:02:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: 216.221.139.141 Subject: Re: Alfredo's, "Lite" or "Heavy"? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > The difference between the two is that the Alfredo Lite has no linear > RF amp or audio compressor/equaliser. Reason being is just where > you're at- Trying to find the obsolete ICs & parts made it more > difficult. Just to be clear here- I used the same RF circuit as in the original. The only part left out was the peak limiter circuit. I made some significant modifications as well to the input circuit. I plan on making a schematic soon- I have one now, but it is chicken scratch.. With the upcoming kits, I have to draft out a much better one. Chris From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Feb 08 15:18:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46644 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 23:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 23:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.125) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 23:18:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 15:18:29 -0800 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav21.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 23:18:28 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 18:18:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2004 23:18:29.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC58F410:01C3EE99] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.125 From: "Robert" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: DX-392 to AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Can a Radio Shack DX-392 be moded to AMS? Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Feb 08 16:46:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20113 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2004 00:46:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2004 00:46:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2004 00:46:44 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i190kgrs072906 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:46:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001201c3eea6$316e7450$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:46:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} expanded band question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > The thing that I always wondered... didn't stations ever change > > call letters > > back in those days? > > A station I used to work at not only changed call letters, it moved > about 3 hours north in 1927/28....WHBN moved from a Methodist Church Here I always thought I was the oldest guy on this forum and now I've found someone who worked in radio in 1927 and 1928. I got my first gig in September 1973 and I tell everyone that I am America's oldest 'night slammer' (I do 7-Mid on our CHR Pop and I voicetrack PM drive on our country station). Rick Dees was at WSGN Birmingham when I got my first full time job at WKKO (860 AM in Cocoa Florida, now dark), which was a great Top 40 station (I know those call letters now belong to a great country station in Toledo). I always thought that I would hang up my cans when Dee's did. He scared me last week when the rumor mill had him bailing out after 30+ years but I hope he sticks around a while longer, even if he is just a shell of his former self. As for me, thanks to Don Cox it will say "Jimbo on the radio" on my headstone! Seriously Tony, I understand your message and I know you didn't work there in the 20's... just kiddin'. > More common back then was moving stations over long > distances...KYW moved from Chicago to Philadelphia.. > Something else that was in vogue was the "portable radio > station"...A gentleman by the name of C.L. Carrell had > several..One of them was WHBM, and he would take it to > towns that didn't have radio stations, and set them up for a > few days and broadcast from there. I've read about Carrell in several books. It was a 500 watter wasn't it? I wonder how he made any money? -Jim- From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Feb 08 21:54:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52745 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2004 05:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2004 05:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2004 05:54:39 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i195scYD018962 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:54:38 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i195sbru025232 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:54:38 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i195sbZN025217 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:54:37 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <1AKSZSJ1>; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:54:37 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDAB2@aubwm206> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:54:35 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: Disable SpamGuard for the group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Kevin, Could you please disable SpamGuard if you haven't already for the group, considering the high number of false positives (including Amy's *squeak*) :) Here's some info I found on another group: Here is the Process to Turn the SpamGuard OFF. Left-Side Column {Bottom} - Click-On [Management] Under "Group Settings" - Click-On [Messages] Under "Posting and Archives" - Click-On [Edit] Under "Posting Options" {Far Right Column} "SpamGuard" - Select (*) "Off" At the Bottom of the WebPage - Click-On [Save Changes] Left-Side Column {Top} - Click-On [Home] This Completes the SpamGuard OFF Task. Cheers, Matt From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 22:09:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9457 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2004 06:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2004 06:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2004 06:09:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2004 06:08:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 06:08:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDAB2@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 537 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.17 Subject: Re: Disable SpamGuard for the group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Kevin, > > Could you please disable SpamGuard if you haven't already for the group, > considering the high number of false positives (including Amy's *squeak*) :) All my posts, except for any I deleted myself, are still in the message archives, and therefore, have been emailed out to those subscribers who gets the list by mail. Keep in mind I view these from the web, not email. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (And in case anyone missed it, *squeek* :) ) From badkev2003@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 00:01:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badkev2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68013 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2004 08:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2004 08:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2004 08:01:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2004 07:59:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 07:59:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <139.2aa1bb03.2d507be2@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3026 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "badkev2003" X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.61 Subject: Re: (Slightly OT) What would you do if you had a group of AM stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145176949 X-Yahoo-Profile: badkev2003 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote:> Now, I'd like to ask you a hypothetical question: "What would youdo if you > got your hands on a group of AM radio stations?"> > If I had a group of AM radio stations, there would be one policy:STEREO > ONLY. No mono stations under any circumstances. The only AM StereoI would accept > is the advanced C-QUAM system. I would also extend the STEREO ONLYpolicy to > the FM stations, regardless of format. I would also focus on localprogramming, > as I would refuse to carry big-name satellite-fed talk show hostsor > ego-driven DJs. I would hire only homegrown talent for on-air duty,and get most of > the talent from college radio. I would not embrace IBOC, under anycircumstances.> > 73 and good DX from Eric> Amateur Radio Station N0UIH> Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN> Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48> DXing The World since 1981> Turn Off Clear Channel Communications!> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel> PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION> "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>> It's simple- let's assume that I have 3 stations- one in amid-level market, one in a very small market and one in the absolutemiddle of nowhere. First off, all 3 Would be in C-QUAM stereo. Station #1 is going to be formatted classic country, as that markethas 1 country station only and they Never, Ever, play anything notcurrent. Jingles and liners are purchased from JAM Productions.Air-talent is a mix of veteran and new, all with a true love of themusic. Internships for college students which CAN lead to a job.Local news and events coverage, with the staff taking part in localevents, especially charity events. Playlist is based on Billboard andRadio&Records surveys from 1950-1990. Requests are taken and played.Station #2 is formatted News/Talk with mostly local programming.Jingles/liners done by local ad agency. Airs broadcasts of the localhigh school games. Offers internships to high school students. againcan lead to a job offer. ALL on-air staff recruited from the localarea. Morning drive time focuses on "Swap Shop", interviews with themayor, etc. Station staff is part of the community because they arefrom the community. Station #3 is formatted Oldies. Almost no one is listening to itexcept for travellers on the local 2-lane highway. Live from 7 amtill 7 pm, automated from 7 pm till 7 am. On-air staff is basicallyanyone who can do the job halfway decently, be trusted to show up ontime and not screw up TOO badly. PD does a 4-hour shift as do bothjocks. Jingles/liners are a package purchased on the cheap. Networknews on top of hour only. Overnite progamming is brokered progammingfrom 7 till 11, syndicated talk from 11 till 3, then syndicatedoldies from 3 till 7. Playlist is basically whatever I and the PD agree on. Requests- yeah,sure, if anyone ever actually calls one in, we'll do it. Not that I've put any thought into this :-) From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 07:32:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1888 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2004 15:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2004 15:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2004 15:32:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2004 15:31:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:31:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040207212854.76841.qmail@web60403.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4230 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Sotiris" X-Originating-IP: 194.219.66.178 Subject: Re: Alfredo's, "Lite" or "Heavy"? 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P.O.Box 14386 Athens 11510 GREECE Tel : +30 210 7719 544 Fax : +30 210 7714 983 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, john syros =20 wrote: > Hello everybody, >=20=20 > A lot of discussion has been made recently concerning Alfredo's=20 Lite and a lot of discussion has taken place. Please allow me to=20 submit a few remarks and questions about that particular matter. >=20=20 > As I realised, Alfredo, a very genius and excellent designer, has=20 published in his site, some quite interesting and detailed Notes,=20 Schematics and PCB-Boards, for the building of a very rare AM-Stereo=20 Exciter, as well as, a small Linear RF Amplifier for it, and a=20 Compressor-Enhancer for the same purpose, with relatively accessible=20 components for the average radio-enthousiast.=20 >=20=20 > All units of the Exciter, were compact, easy to built, cleverly and=20 practically designed. > I really congradulate him and consider him the first inspirator and=20 pilgrim of a unique, popular AM-Stereo device, the only one world- wide.=20=20 >=20=20 > I etched two epoxie PCB-boards and started the heavy original C- QUAM Exciter project, step by step, although I still face some=20 difficulties in obtaining some obsolete ICs, certain of the needed=20 filter-coils (!) and the proper crystal for the selected frequency,=20 (I intend to use it on the 1,620Kc frequency) and of course, finally,=20 a proper AM-Stereo receiver, without of which, I shall be unable to=20 monitor the Stereo result.=20 >=20=20 > I hope that finally I will overcome all those difficulties. Still,=20 the local markets here are not so afluent in components and reliable=20 AM-Stereo radios, and to my opinion, nowdays the manufacturers=20 discontinue to produce them. Pitty..... >=20=20 > Now, so time and then, I read in the Forum a lot of literature,=20 concerning the Alfredo's Lite design again and again, some=20 modifications and improovements of it, or some recent Kits available. >=20=20 > I do not know the differences between the "Heavy" one I am=20 building, (almost finishing now) and the "Lite" version, or their=20 performances. To my opinion, the one I am building=20 > must be more professional than the Lite one, but both can be=20 further improved to perfection. >=20=20 > If anyone in the Forum has any knowledge about them, any=20 comparisons, or any suggestions and comments, I will be glad to=20 listen to them.=20 >=20=20 > All the best to everybody and especially to the leader- Alfredo. = =20 >John Syros = =20 >Athens-Greece From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 08:20:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17243 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2004 16:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2004 16:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2004 16:19:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2004 16:19:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:19:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Length: 180 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Alfredo's, "Lite" or "Heavy"? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics PiDD5enhIPPv9SDD6eHt7echCj4gy+/p8O/tIOHr6+/yIOXt4fIgxevr5+3h8iDw7/Ug8OHl 6SDj6eEgIkFNIFN0ZXJlbyIhISEKCkl0J3MgYWxsIEdyZWVrIHRvIG1lIQoKKFNvcnJ5LCBi dXQgSSBoYWQgdG8gc2F5IGl0Li4uLikK From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 09:08:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36994 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2004 17:07:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2004 17:07:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2004 17:07:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2004 17:07:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 17:07:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 346 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Sotiris" X-Originating-IP: 194.219.66.178 Subject: Re: Alfredo's, "Lite" or "Heavy"? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Yeahh!!! It's Greek also for me ;)=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > =C3=E5=E9=E1 =F3=EF=F5 =C3=E9=E1=ED=ED=E7! > > =CB=EF=E9=F0=EF=ED =E1=EB=EB=EF=F2 =E5=ED=E1=F2 =C5=EB=EB=E7=ED=E1=F2 = =F0=EF=F5 =F0=E1=E5=E9 =E3=E9=E1 "AM Stereo"!!! >=20 > It's all Greek to me! >=20 > (Sorry, but I had to say it....) From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 10:40:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81180 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2004 18:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2004 18:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2004 18:40:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2004 18:40:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:40:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 931 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.137.150.131 Subject: iBiquity Job Opening... Ha! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Interesting job description (I found it at AllAccess.com)... though they left out "experience with snake oil sales a MUST". IBIQUITY DIGITAL IS LOOKING FOR A BROADCAST PROMOTIONS MANAG iBiquity Digital is looking a Broadcast Promotions Marketing Manager. Previous experience required as a promotions/program director in the radio broadcasting industry with a track record in station marketing, promotions,branding, consumer marketing, publicity and talent relations. Strong interpersonal skills for working with program directors, sales and promotions personnel for the promotion of HD Radio technology at stations. It is desireable to have the successful candidate come from the radio broadcasting field and if possible be local to the Baltimore/Washington Corridor. Please rush your email resume to: Dave Salemi Vice President, Marketing iBiquity Digital Corporation salemi@ibiquity.com (410) 872-1533 From castellano105@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 13:32:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38820 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2004 21:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2004 21:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2004 21:32:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2004 21:31:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:29:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 520 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 165.247.75.119 Subject: Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Let see first you buy a Radio for over 900 dollars,then you pay somuch every month to lissent? And what abouth the local weather or news? or local event's. Can you get that now as Satelite TV? This is one way to kill Free Radio, expecially your small town Station and not only AM But FM. Corporations own Large City Stations,now they can get their hands on the small town station by macking it to expensive to operated. A world were someone else tells us what to heare,what to like. Save Free Radio Save AM Stereo. From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Feb 09 14:54:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23263 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2004 22:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2004 22:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2004 22:54:17 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:51:17 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:50:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree there. I'm still not nearly sold on XM or these satellite services. I still think radio should be free. Then too, I guess there were people just like me when cable tv came around that said "oh I'M not going to pay for television. Television is free and is supposed to be." and yet I have always had cable and currently have satellite. I still can't see me paying for radio. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Francisco Guzman [mailto:castellano105@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 2:30 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Pay Radio. Let see first you buy a Radio for over 900 dollars,then you pay somuch every month to lissent? And what abouth the local weather or news? or local event's. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Feb 09 15:01:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54121 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2004 23:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2004 23:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2004 23:01:54 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.112]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:08:47 -0500 Message-ID: <002401c3ef60$57a2ece0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 17:59:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I used to think that way too- I still think that terrestrial radio "could" be viable- but mangaement will not listen to what the public wants. The variety of XM radio is worth twice the price, in my opinion. As to cable TV- I couldn't be without it. In my area, the only off-air signal we can get is channel 4 and 5 out of NYC, and even they are too weak to enjoy. A lot of people are going to the dish, but I will say our cable company has proven to be very stable, reliable, and in 10 years, there has only been one outage that was repaired fast. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard To: Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 5:50 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Pay Radio. > I agree there. I'm still not nearly sold on XM or these satellite services. > I still think radio should be free. From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Feb 09 15:57:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18286 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2004 23:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2004 23:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.118) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2004 23:57:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:57:50 -0800 Received: from 172.154.203.17 by bay7-dav14.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 23:57:49 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: , Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:51:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2004 23:57:50.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[8616E330:01C3EF68] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.118 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.154.203.17] Subject: News From Mexico X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 From: http://www2.allaccess.com/ More interference from MEXICO is now targeting KABC-A/LOS ANGELES and KAZM-A/SEDONA, AZ, as PACIFIC SPANISH NETWORK affiliate XESS-A/ENSENADA signs on at 780. Reports from SDRADIO.NET indicate that the new 20kw days/10kw nights signal is interfering with KABC in ORANGE COUNTY, while up the coast at ALL ACCESS' offices north and south of LOS ANGELES, the new station is inaudible but a loud hum of interference to the night signal of KKOH-A/RENO, normally weakly audible in the area, has shown up. The same folks are believed to be responsible for the move of XEKTT-A/TECATE to 560 AM as KEPE, interfering with several Stateside stations. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 16:06:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63990 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 00:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 00:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 00:06:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 00:06:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:06:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002401c3ef60$57a2ece0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1670 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.134 Subject: Re: Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > In my area, the only off-air signal we can get is channel 4 and 5 > out of NYC, and even they are too weak to enjoy. A lot of people > are going to the dish, but I will say our cable company has proven > to be very stable, reliable, and in 10 years, there has only been > one outage that was repaired fast. In rural areas, "big-dish" satellite TV used to be very popular, but today, equipment and service is hard to find and the variety of channels available to watch is probably not as good as it was a decade ago, due to the popularity of "small-dish" satellite TV. But the key difference is that big-dish satellite TV has no monthly charge; once you purchase and install the equipment, there is no additional cost. "Big-dish" satellite TV also used to have -- and perhaps still has -- a number of *audio* channels available to receive. My old WRTH lists everything from a simulcast of Nashville's 650 WSM to the Wal-Mart in-store Muzak system as being available on satellite audio. I think free satellite audio could become the "shortwave radio" of the future, and certainly the necessary infrastructure has existed for decades; it's just a matter of making the equipment available to consumers at a reasonable cost and offering a sufficient variety of programming from around the world. Another footnote -- *cable radio* (also known as "rediffusion") has also existed for decades, although today it is virtually extinct, with just a few networks surviving in former-communist countries. The UK also had an extensive cable radio system; in some areas the wiring still hasn't been removed, even though the service was discontinued years ago. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 17:23:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9815 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 01:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 01:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 01:23:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 01:23:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:23:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1023 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.17 Subject: Re: Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Francisco Guzman" wrote: > Let see first you buy a Radio for over 900 dollars,then you pay > somuch every month > to lissent? This hasn't been addressed in the replies that foll,owed, so I'll do so now. The $900 you speak of is for iBiquity's "HD Radio", aka "IBOC", not XM. XM you can get receivers for as low as $120, and I don't recall offhand if the subscription fee is monthly or annual, but it's a mere $9.95. There are national and regional news, weather, and traffic reports, but no local stations. I, too, have been considering XM, but that's as far as that has gotten. For me, I feel much anger and sadness towards the state of radio (and for me, anger is rare), and have been feeling like hanging up my ears, feeling like I have little left- Little reason for being here, and things like that. :( I love radio- especially AMS- but not how it has become. I'm just a nowehere mouse, I guess. Sorry for the downer. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 17:49:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25691 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 01:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 01:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 01:49:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 01:48:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:48:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1051 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 172.149.50.205 Subject: Re: Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > The $900 you speak of is for iBiquity's "HD Radio", aka "IBOC", not > XM. XM you can get receivers for as low as $120 IBOC does not require a monthly rate, Fransisco...You pay the $900, and that's it (solamente pagas el $900 para el radio IBOC, y ya. no hay costos mensuales..la radio que cobra mensualmente no cuesta tanto...el aparato cuesta tan poco como $120...Despues cobran $9.95 por mes, y aunque paresca mucho vale la pena porque hay canales con musica que la radio regular no tiene--y sin comerciales, aunque confieso que no hay mucho en espan~ol, ya que la semana pasada quitaron los canales mexicanos desafortunadamente para mi). , and I don't recall > offhand if the subscription fee is monthly or annual, but it's a mere > $9.95. It's $9.95 a month and WELL WORTH IT..The Beautiful Music channel, Sunny, is worth the $9.95 all by itself....Not only that, but the Lounge channel, On The Rocks, and the New Age Channel, and the All 80s channel, the all 90s channel, and I could go on, and on and on and on...... -tony From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 19:42:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85618 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 03:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 03:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 03:42:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 03:42:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 03:42:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3171 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.134 Subject: Re: Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > IBOC does not require a monthly rate, Fransisco...You pay the $900, > and that's it For the _listener_, that's true. But a _station_ that transmits IBOC must pay iBiquity a yearly licensing fee -- in addition to all the money they spend to install the IBOC equipment in the first place. It is also noteworthy that even with all their investors and paying subscribers, XM and Sirius are both still in serious financial trouble and can only dream of breaking even, let alone making a profit. The IBOC scheme is a bit different in that the financial burden is placed upon the individual stations and the companies that own them. And this risk is even greater with IBOC than with satellite radio, because it expects consumers to pay hundreds of dollars to get the same programming they are already receiving for free on their existing radios, just in a slightly different form. That's like selling the DVD version of a movie for $25.00, but giving it away on VHS tape for free. Would people still buy the DVD in that case? Some might, but given the almost universal proliferation of VCRs, most people would go for the free VHS tape, even if it's not the latest or greatest technology. IBOC is also crippled by the lack of variety in receiver forms. When it was launched two decades ago, AM Stereo at least had a variety of receivers available, from walkmans to table radios to stereo systems to car radios. Right now, only a few high-end car radios support IBOC; home tuners are unavailable, and it is unlikely that IBOC walkmans will ever be feasible due to the high battery drain (a typical set of AA cells would only last a half-hour, at best). And although it has seen renewed support on the transmitting side, RDS has suffered the same fate in North America. Over a decade after its introduction, it is still nearly impossible to find anything other than a few high-end car radios that will receive RDS. Home tuners with RDS disappeared from the marketplace years ago, and aside from a few shortwave receivers, it is largely unavailable on portable radios as well. As AM radio enthusiasts, we have every right to be concerned about IBOC. If IBOC is a failure on FM, there is essentially no harm done; analog FM radio will still sound the same as it has for decades. But if IBOC fails on AM, what will we have to fall back upon? As the IBOC supporters here are keen to point out, most of the AM IBOC installations so far have come at the expense of removing (and potentially discarding) existing AM Stereo equipment. So if IBOC is a failure and they remove that as well, what will we be left with? Analog AM with 5 kHz mono audio? That's at least a 50-year step backwards in technology, and the stations that dreamed of IBOC bringing music back to AM will be forced to switch back to the same stale syndicated news, talk, sports, and religion. All I can say is, keep that AM Stereo equipment safely stored and fully functional, folks. Because a few years from now, it just might come in handy again -- even if we have to start things over from the ground-up. And now you know the *rest* of the story.... From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 21:50:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73886 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 05:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 05:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 05:50:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 05:46:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 05:46:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 7350 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: Re: Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > IBOC does not require a monthly rate, Fransisco...You pay the $900, > > and that's it > > For the _listener_, that's true. But a _station_ that transmits IBOC > must pay iBiquity a yearly licensing fee -- in addition to all the > money they spend to install the IBOC equipment in the first place. And not counting said licensing fees, IBOC installation is on the order of US$120,000+. An AM stereo setup, including proper array phasing, should be no more than $10,000-$20,000. Which is the better bargain for the buck? :) AMS, with millions of existing radios (even if next to none are off-the-shelf), or IBOC, with no radios yet, and the only planned radios are OEMs (at least that we have heard of). > It is also noteworthy that even with all their investors and paying > subscribers, XM and Sirius are both still in serious financial > trouble and can only dream of breaking even, let alone making a > profit. The IBOC scheme is a bit different in that the financial > burden is placed upon the individual stations and the companies that > own them. XM looks like it will survive, especially now that they don't need to rely on advertizing, and just on subscriptions. Corporates should be SCARED poopless at that very prospect. > And this risk is even greater with IBOC than with satellite radio, > because it expects consumers to pay hundreds of dollars to get the > same programming they are already receiving for free on their > existing radios, just in a slightly different form. That's like > selling the DVD version of a movie for $25.00, but giving it away on > VHS tape for free. Would people still buy the DVD in that case? > Some might, but given the almost universal proliferation of VCRs, > most people would go for the free VHS tape, even if it's not the > latest or greatest technology. Very little bang for the consumer buck- Only the gee-whiz and gotta- have-it geeks are likely to really bother paying for it. For the average Joe Blow, the cost per return is way too high, and not enough potential frive to support reduced prices. (Of course, I have been waiting for Iomega Zip disks to go down in price, but at $8-$10/disk, I haven't bought any since 1999!) > IBOC is also crippled by the lack of variety in receiver forms. > When it was launched two decades ago, AM Stereo at least had a > variety of receivers available, from walkmans to table radios to > stereo systems to car radios. Right now, only a few high-end car > radios support IBOC; home tuners are unavailable, and it is unlikely > that IBOC walkmans will ever be feasible due to the high battery > drain (a typical set of AA cells would only last a half-hour, at > best). This doesn't help that receiver variety in general is dismal now, particularly since almost all radio listening done today is in the car. > And although it has seen renewed support on the transmitting side, > RDS has suffered the same fate in North America. Over a decade after > its introduction, it is still nearly impossible to find anything > other than a few high-end car radios that will receive RDS. Home > tuners with RDS disappeared from the marketplace years ago, and aside > from a few shortwave receivers, it is largely unavailable on portable > radios as well. Only place I have been able to find them is in the UK, where RDS, even in this age of DAB, is all the rage there. > As AM radio enthusiasts, we have every right to be concerned about > IBOC. If IBOC is a failure on FM, there is essentially no harm done; > analog FM radio will still sound the same as it has for decades. And IBOC's digital interference is actually minimal, compared to its AM counterpart. FM won't be helped or hurt by IBOC, except in terms of the power distribution- IBOC will, like stereo and SCA, reduce a station's coverage area. Other than that, who'll really notice, except for not being able to receive the weakest receivable stations? But > if IBOC fails on AM, what will we have to fall back upon? As the > IBOC supporters here are keen to point out, most of the AM IBOC > installations so far have come at the expense of removing (and > potentially discarding) existing AM Stereo equipment. I think for most, stereo is not even an issue, but the failure on AM will leave drastic consequences, especially killing off any possible listenership and viability- Broadcast AM as we know it would teeter on the brink of collapse, first by the introduction of IBOC, then by its failure, and as the system cannot become PD for at least the next decade or so, should iBiquity collapse, IBOC will collapse with it. There IS no backup, and stations will end up being saddled with VERY expensive doorstops! IBOC so far has not demonstrated economic viability, nor does iBiquity's parent company, Lucent, have any track record for sustainability. This is a VERY expensive gamble, and gambling on the whole future of the AM broadcast band on this system is pure lunacy at best, suicidal at worst. > So if IBOC is a failure and they remove that as well, what will we be > left with? Analog AM with 5 kHz mono audio? That's at least a > 50-year step backwards in technology, and the stations that dreamed > of IBOC bringing music back to AM will be forced to switch back to > the same stale syndicated news, talk, sports, and religion. Actually, radio from that time period was far better than it has become since, and music was a very important part of the AM programming diet, and it sounded GREAT. Could it be done today, with what most people have? No, for several reasons. Which brings me to respond to an earlier comment about what if C-QUAM had been made the standard in 1987, instead of 1993, would it have been better. I would say "no", because the major factor that killed music on AM in that time frame would not have changed- The RIAA's insistance on increasing royalty fees, making music on the radio too expensive. Mandating C-QUAM wouldn't have changed one thing. > All I can say is, keep that AM Stereo equipment safely stored and > fully functional, folks. Because a few years from now, it just might > come in handy again -- even if we have to start things over from the > ground-up. Seems I said similar words in recent months. This is WHY I do what I do, focusing on the technology as I do- I want to preserve it for this VERY reason. The era of AM stereo is over, as soon as the 2005 model cars come out, and the era of IBOC begins. We can no longer expect anyone in the industry to stay with us. Those who do, I, for one, welcome with open paws. But it really is up to US to keep AM stereo alive, and the knowledge available once the MW meltdown passes, and we can start anew. But will any of us be there? Will we rebuild what has been destroyed? Will we be able to reclaim the AM band as a useful medium, and with what is now perceived as an "esoteric" mode of broadcasting- stereo? Only time will tell, and I, for one, am scared it may not come to pass. We need to take back AM, make it the community broadcasting band it should've been once FM became the commercial broadcast band of choice. Am I alone here in wanting to see this come to pass? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Feb 09 23:02:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28476 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 07:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 07:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 07:02:43 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-68-123-98-29.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [68.123.98.29]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i1A6xRR13418; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:59:27 -0800 Message-ID: <002601c3efa2$b5a78160$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:54:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: I have free satilite radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang At www.skyvision.com thay have a 4DTV receiver for C-band. What it is is digital c-band. Thay use to have a side car thats what thay called it any way. That went with your analog c-band receiver that controled the dish and get the anlog stations. Any way all you would have to do is go to G0 sat and there is about a 100 audio stations or more on that one sattalite all free and in stereo. Pluse if you do have a subcription to them or www.superstar.com or some one els besides you analog move station there will be 4DTV companyun stations to. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Feb 10 00:51:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44729 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 08:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 08:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 08:51:23 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.1e9.18876c7e (18555) for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 03:51:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1e9.18876c7e.2d59f581@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 03:51:13 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.161 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have free satilite radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/10/04 2:13:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, jimsmith@vfr.n= et=20 writes: > Hi Gang At www.skyvision.com thay have a 4DTV receiver for C-band. What= =20 > it is is digital c-band. Thay use to have a side car thats what thay call= ed it=20 > any way. That went with your analog c-band receiver that controled the d= ish=20 > and get the anlog stations. Any way all you would have to do is go to G0= =20 > sat and there is about a 100 audio stations or more on that one sattalit= e all=20 > free and in stereo. Pluse if you do have a subcription to them or=20 > www.superstar.com or some one els besides you analog move station there= will be 4DTV=20 > companyun stations to. >=20 Chuck Harder was talking about this very thing about two months ago.Seems t= o=20 me he is going to have a network of sorts up there as well.=20 The entire deal doesnt seem all that bad once you put down the chunk of=20 change for the satellite receivers and dish. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From g7ltt@g7ltt.com Tue Feb 10 05:14:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: g7ltt@g7ltt.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96516 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 13:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 13:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earth.g7ltt.com) (68.196.133.125) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 13:14:02 -0000 Received: from g7ltt.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.g7ltt.com (8.12.9-20030917/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1ADDel3005342 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:13:40 -0500 Received: from 63.88.139.130 (SquirrelMail authenticated user g7ltt); by 127.0.0.1 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:13:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <56088.63.88.139.130.1076418820.squirrel@63.88.139.130> In-Reply-To: <002601c3efa2$b5a78160$c188fea9@jimsmith> References: <002601c3efa2$b5a78160$c188fea9@jimsmith> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:13:40 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.196.133.125 From: "Mark Phillips" Reply-To: g7ltt@g7ltt.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have free satilite radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10386607 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc2eni Would someone please translate this email into English for me. Despite the fact that I have lived in the US for nearly 6 years I'm still having trouble with American. Mark jimsmith said: > Hi Gang At www.skyvision.com thay have a 4DTV receiver for C-band. What > it is is digital c-band. Thay use to have a side car thats what thay > called it any way. That went with your analog c-band receiver that > controled the dish and get the anlog stations. Any way all you would have > to do is go to G0 sat and there is about a 100 audio stations or more on > that one sattalite all free and in stereo. Pluse if you do have a > subcription to them or www.superstar.com or some one els besides you > analog move station there will be 4DTV companyun stations to. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- Mark Phillips, G7LTT/KC2ENI Randolph, NJ http://www.g7ltt.com/ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Feb 10 05:42:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5592 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 13:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 13:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.151) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 13:42:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 05:42:01 -0800 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:42:00 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:42:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2004 13:42:01.0004 (UTC) FILETIME=[A913F6C0:01C3EFDB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.151 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Here in south central Michigan, there has been a "push" for XM/Sirius with the receivers free with a time commitment (I believe one year) at Circuit City, Best Buy, ABC Warehouse, etc. This still hasn't convinced me the monthly fee is worth it. Fortunately, I have AM stereo stations to listen to in my daily commute as well as work and home. Paul Crane >From: "Amy Mousie" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Pay Radio. >Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:23:31 -0000 > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Francisco Guzman" > wrote: > > Let see first you buy a Radio for over 900 dollars,then you pay > > somuch every month > > to lissent? > >This hasn't been addressed in the replies that foll,owed, so I'll do >so now. > >The $900 you speak of is for iBiquity's "HD Radio", aka "IBOC", not >XM. XM you can get receivers for as low as $120, and I don't recall >offhand if the subscription fee is monthly or annual, but it's a mere >$9.95. There are national and regional news, weather, and traffic >reports, but no local stations. > >I, too, have been considering XM, but that's as far as that has >gotten. > >For me, I feel much anger and sadness towards the state of radio (and >for me, anger is rare), and have been feeling like hanging up my >ears, feeling like I have little left- Little reason for being here, >and things like that. :( > >I love radio- especially AMS- but not how it has become. > >I'm just a nowehere mouse, I guess. > >Sorry for the downer. :( > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > _________________________________________________________________ Optimize your Internet experience to the max with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Feb 10 06:43:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42498 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 14:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 14:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 14:43:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 14:42:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:42:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 144 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: 208.228.96.20 Subject: note for Tony S. in Fla X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I lost all my emails last week, and my contact email addresses, so For Tony S in Fla- Your Alf Lite is all upgraded and on the way back. Chris From dougharding@mindspring.com Tue Feb 10 06:52:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73157 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 14:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 14:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 14:52:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 14:51:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:51:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1260 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: C-quam mandate and XM satellite radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I must disagree with Amy on this. Had C-quam been mandated by the FCC in 1987 and had the FCC ordered all FM stereo radios to have AM stereo too then I think most stations would have converted to stereo and we would still have music stations today. Would IBOC be coming today? Yes I think just like with FM someone would have been pushing digital radio today. > > Which brings me to respond to an earlier comment about what if C-QUAM > had been made the standard in 1987, instead of 1993, would it have > been better. I would say "no", because the major factor that killed > music on AM in that time frame would not have changed- The RIAA's > insistance on increasing royalty fees, making music on the radio too > expensive. Mandating C-QUAM wouldn't have changed one thing. Turning to XM satellite radio. XM's music channels are now commercial free and yes they are starting to offer local traffic and weather in certain citys. It is worth 9.95 to have 100 channels. I get all the cable news networks plus my music channels commercial free. I love it. And now local traffic and weather for Miami is coming in a couple of months. Big corporate radio like clear channel should be very afraid of XM. Now with over 1 million subscribers XM will make it. From j_todd_jenkins@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 07:19:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: j_todd_jenkins@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40276 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 15:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 15:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.248) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 15:19:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20040210151944.48024.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.131.110.172] by web21205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:19:44 PST Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:19:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.131.248 From: Todd Jenkins Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-quam mandate and XM satellite radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111900024 X-Yahoo-Profile: j_todd_jenkins --- douglasharding wrote: > I must disagree with Amy on this. Had C-quam been > mandated by the FCC Me too. But back in the 80's the FCC should have required BY LAW the following: ------------------------------------------------ 1. Radios equipped with FM stereo must be equipped with AM stereo. 2. AM/FM simulcasts are officially banned in all markets. 3. FM radios with mono blend should have Noise Reduction and Bandwidth Expansion on AM. 4. If the FM radio has a mono switch, the AM portion should also have a mono switch that deactivates AM stereo and cuts the bandwidth. 5. And finally, back in the 80's, Kahn/Hazeltine sounded much warmer, didn't have platform motion side effects, or phasing problems. So I would have picked this system as a required standard. (Kahn may be a jerk, but his system was simple and sounded better than Motorola's at the time. Maybe CAM-D sounds better than the latest CQuam stuff. I KNOW it can't sound any worse than HD.) 6. Stand-alone AM stations are to be given tax credits to upgrade their plants to the new AM Stereo Standards. That was my dream back then. Too bad I wasn't a senator. -Todd From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Feb 10 07:46:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57315 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 15:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 15:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 15:46:48 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i1AFkOhb036981 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:46:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002401c3efed$0a25c180$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:46:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Paul Crane wrote: > Fortunately, I have AM stereo stations to listen to in my daily commute as > well as work and home. > That's what I was thinking. We a great AM Stereo AC 15 miles from here and they look like they'll be here for a while. They are a 1000 watt daytimer (with 60-70 watts at night) on 1390. They are a very small and cost -effective operation and I doubt if they will be adding IBOC in the near future. We also get WLS fairly well and they always sound great. I would guess that WLS will be dropping AMS in favor of IBOC one of these days.... Does anyone know if ABC/Disney stations have tested IBOC? Also: Yesterday I posted: > Rick Dees was at WSGN Birmingham when I got my > first full time job at WKKO (860 AM in Cocoa Florida) and > I always thought that I would hang up my cans > when Dee's did. He scared me last week when the rumor mill had him bailing > out after 30+ years but I hope he sticks around a while longer, even if he > is just a shell of his former self. Well, late yesterday Dees announced that today (Tuesday 2-10-04) would be his last day at KISS in LA. After 30+ years he will be leaving the airwaves as a regular personality. Ryan Seacrest (who replaced Casey Kasem on American Top 40 a few weeks ago) will replace Dees soon. Premiere Radio Networks is still negotiating with Dees to have him continue doing the Weekly Top 40 for 5 more years but since Seacrest is already doing American Top 40 (also syndicated by Premiere), it might be in their best interest to kill the Weekly Top 40 to boost Seacrest's AT40 (AT 40 never regained the station numbers they had when they replaced Casey with Shadoe Stevens. I have changed my mind about hanging up my cans when Dees retires :-) There are still a few of us working on the air who started in the early 70's so I guess I'll keep going until I decide to stop. I know this is a bit off-topic for this forum, but I know there are several air-people who are regulars here, and the retirement of Dees is a bit newsworthy. From stodd@vippn.com Tue Feb 10 08:23:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53000 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 16:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 16:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 16:23:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 16:22:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:22:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 442 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > > Also, the Motorola mod monitor would have to be calibrated, and who > is going to do this? These units have been unsupported by the factory > for a long time now. Mike Patton is one expert tech when it comes to this sort of thing. He could get both the exciter and mod monitor calibrated to factory specs. I believe he's in Louisiana. Scott Todd From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Feb 10 08:32:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55936 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 16:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 16:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 16:32:25 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.115.2e906f60 (25305) for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:31:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <115.2e906f60.2d5a615d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:31:25 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.37 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-quam mandate and XM satellite radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/10/04 9:57:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 dougharding@mindspring.com writes: > Turning to XM satellite radio. XM's music channels are now commercial > free and yes they are starting to offer local traffic and weather in > certain citys. It is worth 9.95 to have 100 channels. I get all the > cable news networks plus my music channels commercial free. I love it. > And now local traffic and weather for Miami is coming in a couple of > months. Big corporate radio like clear channel should be very afraid > of XM. Now with over 1 million subscribers XM will make it.=20 >=20 Well considering that it was understood in the beginning that satellite rad= io=20 was not to provide "local services"....especially on the earth based=20 translator stations,but hey how times change! As far as big corporate radio worrying over XM...if I'm not mistaken,big=20 corporate radio has a few "stock shares" if you will in XM. Advertising dol= lars=20 alone from XM on AM/FM radio ...now even on TV ...hey nobody is worrying ju= st=20 yet...but that day will come. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Tue Feb 10 09:32:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44164 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 17:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 17:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 17:32:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 17:32:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:32:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 702 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: But a _station_ that transmits IBOC > must pay iBiquity a yearly licensing fee -- in addition to all the > money they spend to install the IBOC equipment in the first place. BZZZZZZZTTTT!! Wrong answer, bucko! The iBiquity licensing fee is one time only, unless the station wants to spread it out over 10 years. Once the fee is paid, it's paid....unless the station changes hands, in which case the new ownership must relicense with iBiquity to maintain IBOC operations. iBiquity sells software, not hardware and, like Uncle Billy in Redomond, WA, expects to be paid for its intellectual property. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Feb 10 09:39:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37173 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 17:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 17:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 17:39:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 17:38:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:38:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1146 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > And not counting said licensing fees, IBOC installation is on the > order of US$120,000+. An AM stereo setup, including proper array > phasing, should be no more than $10,000-$20,000. > Not true. If your antenna is OK and your transmitter is of fairly recent vintage, you can get into IBOC for around $35,000,depending on the exciter you purchase and the audio processing you purchase for the HD side. In most instances, studio facilities and STL's presently in use would work just fine with IBOC. Stations still stubbornly using 1960's, 70's or early 1980's vintage AM transmitters will need to replace the transmitter. Those who have left the antenna system alone "because it works and produces the proper pattern" may be in trouble. Depending on what needs to be done to the antenna, $10K to $20K is a dream number. When we ironed out our antenna issues in 1997, it cost WOR well over $50K to make things right. Vacuum capacitors, particulary the size used in 50KW arrays, cost upwards of $5K each if they need replacement. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Feb 10 09:46:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6115 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 17:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 17:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 17:46:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 17:44:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:44:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1054 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > In rural areas, "big-dish" satellite TV used to be very popular, but > today, equipment and service is hard to find and the variety of > channels available to watch is probably not as good as it was a > decade ago, due to the popularity of "small-dish" satellite TV. > But the key difference is that big-dish satellite TV has no monthly > charge; once you purchase and install the equipment, there is no > additional cost. When we aligned our satellite dish 2 years ago, Kerry and I had a video RX in addition to a spectrum analyzer. A good 95% of what's on the birds (we were looking) is either digitally scrambled or on a digital carrier that requires unlock codes to demod. You would need to pay a service for most of the big dish channels these days. What we were able to find on the birds (and Tech TV was the most interesting) was CSPAN (yawn!), Home Shopping (bigger yawn!), and God is on every bird. I guess he rents one transponder per. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Feb 10 09:47:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35029 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 17:47:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 17:47:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 17:47:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 17:46:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:46:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 468 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereodude" wrote: > > Mike Patton is one expert tech when it comes to this sort of thing. > He could get both the exciter and mod monitor calibrated to factory > specs. I believe he's in Louisiana. If he works for free, that would be great. I have nothing in the budget to put on a 33 year old transmitter that is run 5 hours a week overnight. I can't justify the expense to management. Tom Ray WOR From roy.sandgren@telia.com Tue Feb 10 10:01:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83583 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 18:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 18:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO av7-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net) (81.228.11.113) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 18:01:22 -0000 Received: by av7-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 7DBCB37E4E; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:58:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4.hy.skanova.net (smtp4.hy.skanova.net [195.67.199.133]) by av7-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7039537E43 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:58:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from FOO (h15n1fls31o954.telia.com [217.210.132.15]) by smtp4.hy.skanova.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i1AHwwIC029502 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:58:58 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002601c3efff$9a388480$0f84d2d9@telia.com> To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:59:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.228.11.113 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's good enough to have a small pocketradio to listen to all local radiostations. Local news and DJ's, thats what I need, only. A $10 radio gives me my needs of radio. Roy in Sweden. And a DRM-reciever while travelling around. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ray To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Pay Radio. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > In rural areas, "big-dish" satellite TV used to be very popular, but > today, equipment and service is hard to find and the variety of > channels available to watch is probably not as good as it was a > decade ago, due to the popularity of "small-dish" satellite TV. > But the key difference is that big-dish satellite TV has no monthly > charge; once you purchase and install the equipment, there is no > additional cost. When we aligned our satellite dish 2 years ago, Kerry and I had a video RX in addition to a spectrum analyzer. A good 95% of what's on the birds (we were looking) is either digitally scrambled or on a digital carrier that requires unlock codes to demod. You would need to pay a service for most of the big dish channels these days. What we were able to find on the birds (and Tech TV was the most interesting) was CSPAN (yawn!), Home Shopping (bigger yawn!), and God is on every bird. I guess he rents one transponder per. Tom Ray WOR Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 - Release Date: 2004-02-06 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 10:29:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81733 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 18:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 18:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 18:29:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 18:27:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:27:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2307 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: Re: C-quam mandate and XM satellite radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > I must disagree with Amy on this. Had C-quam been mandated by the FCC > in 1987 and had the FCC ordered all FM stereo radios to have AM stereo > too then I think most stations would have converted to stereo and we > would still have music stations today. Would IBOC be coming today? Yes > I think just like with FM someone would have been pushing digital > radio today. Keep in mind that music was largely dropped en masse in 1987, right at a time when the RIAA was pushing for higher royalty fees. (Remember, there once was a time when there were NO royalty fees- The music industry saw it as good advertizing and publicity.) If AM stations did keep music, chances are, to minimize costs, they would have probably have gone to a bland canned or networked service (ie: Jones), and service would've ended up reduced, anyway. FM could take more of a hit than AM, since it had a higher overall listenership, which means a higher advertizing revenue stream. This did affect FM, too, and that's why networked services, like Jones, proliferate on the FM band. > Turning to XM satellite radio. XM's music channels are now commercial > free and yes they are starting to offer local traffic and weather in > certain citys. It is worth 9.95 to have 100 channels. I get all the > cable news networks plus my music channels commercial free. I love it. > And now local traffic and weather for Miami is coming in a couple of > months. Big corporate radio like clear channel should be very afraid > of XM. Now with over 1 million subscribers XM will make it. I didn't think XM would make it, either, but it looks like it has, and you can thank conglomerate broadcasting for that! If it wasn't for the consolidate-and-cut-costs mentality, there would have been more diversity- and more competition- to listen to. XM and Sirius are the only real alternatives, since these servives offer a wide variety over each's 100 channels, and with far larger playlists than the basic 300-song playlist most stations have. (300 songs for 25 years of oldies??? COME ON! You guys can do better than that!) Broadcasting and recording industries have shot themselves in their collective feet one too many times. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Feb 10 10:37:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30372 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 18:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 18:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 18:36:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 18:36:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:36:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1260 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.105.152 Subject: Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > If he works for free, that would be great. I have nothing in the > budget to put on a 33 year old transmitter that is run 5 hours a week > overnight. I can't justify the expense to management. > > Tom Ray > WOR People... let it go. WOR has made the choice not to go that way. I am as big an analog and I like C-QUam, but if I had a facility, I could not justify the cost of restablishing AM stereo service the way things are today. In our little circle of the world there are alot of AM stereo radios. Outside of it, the radios are getting scarce. Most people don't keep facorty radios in their cars anymore and swap them out for CD changers etc etc. The emphasis on this group should be to help keep the stations who are currently running C-Quam on the air with it, not try and influence someone without it to go back, because you're basically asking them to throw their money away. Unless some FCC miracle mandating C-Quam in radios comes along, there is not one scenerio you can present that will tell me that a non stereo station adding C- Quam will see any other benefit than kudos on this message board. There just aren't enough radios in the field. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Feb 10 10:41:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69067 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 18:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 18:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 18:41:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 18:40:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:40:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 610 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.105.152 Subject: Re: Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: >> The iBiquity licensing fee is one time only, unless the station wants > to spread it out over 10 years. This is another thing I have a problem with. I don't recall any other manufacturer asking for a fee for their intellectual property like iBiquity is. Orban and Foti spend alot of time designing their boxes, but they don't charge a fee. I'm sure Broadcast Electronics and Harris and Nautel have come up with innovative designs, yet they don't charge a licensing fee. iBiquity is a monopoly here and that's a problem. From johnsyros2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 10:49:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: johnsyros2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3049 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 18:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 18:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60403.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.186) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 18:49:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20040210184941.80850.qmail@web60403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.249.18.67] by web60403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:49:41 PST Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:49:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.186 From: john syros Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ST-JX220A tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159848949 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnsyros2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Kevin, You are lucky my friend, because those orientals, usually NEVER EVER render ANY info about their devices. I found a copy of the manual for Sony ST-JX220A! Please tell me if you want me proceed ordering it, because they asked 25$ plus the post expences. If you agree, I will buy it for you and I shall send you the bill they will give me, in the same envelope, together with the Manual. I beleive that the price is fair enough. Estimated time of delivery, in one week approximately, after the ordering. Best Regards John Syros Athens-Greece "Kevin T." wrote: Thanks to eBay I am now the owner of a Sony ST-JX220A multi-system AM Stereo tuner. Although never officially sold in the USA, it was one of their more popular AM Stereo tuners around the world; my example came from Canada. It is the brown-case version (I've seen others with a champagne-color case), with ICs dated late 1984 through early 1985. The AM Stereo section is on its own separate circuit board, which can be easily disconnected and removed for service or inspection. It uses a 10 kHz ceramic filter in wideband mode, just like my STR-AV470 receiver. Interestingly, with a dead backup battery, it defaults to 9 kHz AM channel spacing upon power-up, unless I use the trick of holding down the "+" tuning button while switching it on, which enables 10 kHz channel spacing. It also has no "wrap-around"; if you're at 530 kHz and want to flip to 1610 kHz, you are forced to s-l-o-w-l-y scan all the way up the band, unless of course you have the intended frequency assigned to one of the presets. Does anybody have a copy of the service manual for the ST-JX220A, or even any similar model that would share most of the same circuitry? I have dreams of installing the Longwave tuner section and FM antenna A/B switch, two features which are missing from this model, but have empty circuit traces, indicating that other models in the same series did have these features installed. For example, the fancier ST-JX520A did have the FM antenna switch, and I've seen similar non-AM Stereo models with the same chassis which are tri-band LW/MW/FM. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 11:36:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76008 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 19:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 19:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11904.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.188) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 19:36:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20040210193444.96631.qmail@web11904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.75.227.85] by web11904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:34:44 PST Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:34:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.188 From: "Tn S." Subject: IBOC Walkmans and portables X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, you bring up a good point about the unfeasibility of IBOC capable Walkmans and portables.... As much as I love my XM, I can tell you that the XM boombox is not without its problems...I have to have the antenna fully extended and preferably facing south...Theoretically, the antenna can be fit on the back of the boombox, and the cable wound inside of the boombox for (easy portability), but reception in this manner has not been possible for me....So using the boombox as I would a normal boombox, ie, as a 'beach radio', is out of the question...It's a table radio, period...And while car reception is generally excellent, going by a fast food drive thru usually produces 'dead spots' (could it be the intercom?). Also, as much as I love AM Stereo, I have certain Walkmen that produce platform motion while walking on C-QUAM...If that's the case with something as simple as C-QUAM, how much more unstable will an IBOC signal be while walking? I can only imagine! Add to that the fact that technology just plain doesn't exist yet to make an IBOC decoder that's smaller than a cigar box, and you really, really wonder....I'm not trying to sound negative or make fun of IBOC; in fact, I was actually hoping they'd release a portable of some sort early on because I really didn't feel like getting a car or home tuner. -tony --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Feb 10 12:20:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39940 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 20:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 20:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 20:20:01 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040210201549.HYCR3721.fed1mtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:15:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:15:49 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.242 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-quam mandate and XM satellite radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the point is that, had C-QUAM been mandated earlier, AM=20 stations wouldn't have lost the listeners quite as fast. Remember, even=20 in 1984-5, KFRC was a top-rated top-40 station ... it took Walter Sabo=20 to destroy it. Royalties would be the same for AM or FM. Had AM been better able to=20 compete ... On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, at 10:27 AM, Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" > wrote: > > I must disagree with Amy on this. Had C-quam been mandated by the > FCC > > in 1987 and had the FCC ordered all FM stereo radios to have AM > stereo > > too then I think most stations would have converted to stereo and we > > would still have music stations today. Would IBOC be coming today? > Yes > > I think just like with FM someone would have been pushing digital > > radio today. > > Keep in mind that music was largely dropped en masse in 1987, right > at a time when the RIAA was pushing for higher royalty fees. > (Remember, there once was a time when there were NO royalty fees- The > music industry saw it as good advertizing and publicity.) If AM > stations did keep music, chances are, to minimize costs, they would > have probably have gone to a bland canned or networked service (ie: > Jones), and service would've ended up reduced, anyway. FM could take > more of a hit than AM, since it had a higher overall listenership, > which means a higher advertizing revenue stream. This did affect FM, > too, and that's why networked services, like Jones, proliferate on > the FM band. > > > Turning to XM satellite radio. XM's music channels are now > commercial > > free and yes they are starting to offer local traffic and weather in > > certain citys. It is worth 9.95 to have 100 channels. I get all the > > cable news networks plus my music channels commercial free. I love > it. > > And now local traffic and weather for Miami is coming in a couple of > > months. Big corporate radio like clear channel should be very afraid > > of XM. Now with over 1 million subscribers XM will make it. > > I didn't think XM would make it, either, but it looks like it has, > and you can thank conglomerate broadcasting for that! If it wasn't > for the consolidate-and-cut-costs mentality, there would have been > more diversity- and more competition- to listen to. XM and Sirius are > the only real alternatives, since these servives offer a wide variety > over each's 100 channels, and with far larger playlists than the > basic 300-song playlist most stations have. (300 songs for 25 years > of oldies??? COME ON! You guys can do better than that!) > > Broadcasting and recording industries have shot themselves in their > collective feet one too many times. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From johnsyros2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 12:24:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: johnsyros2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79701 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 20:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 20:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60406.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.189) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 20:24:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20040210202435.74739.qmail@web60406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.249.18.67] by web60406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:24:35 PST Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:24:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.189 From: john syros Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Alfredo's, "Lite" or "Heavy"? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159848949 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnsyros2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Amy, I still, will try to complete the Alfredo's project, now that I have almost completed it. On the other hand, I beleive that the AM Radio in my country, is very poor nowdays and needs to be pushed/upgraded, because the AM stations here are gradually extinguis-hing, giving up inevitably their place to the FM ones. To my opinion, AM-Stereo has certain advantages over the plenitude of the FM stations (with the false emfasis on the treble, the hiss, and the need of repeaters in every moun-tain peak). Those advantages ought to be properly promoted, otherwise AM will be gradually silent, as the Long Waves today. But first of all, the AM-Stereo must be known to the wide audience, because most of them, do not even know that it exists. Let us hope that, when the people learn that there is a Stereo AM Station, they will be curious to listen to it. And if the result sounds good, (almost equal to FM as I presume), framed by good music, then some of them, maybe, will return to the good-old-radio. The difficult to get ICs, are: a) The MC3340 s, I found only 3 pieces in Motorola-Athens, and b) The ICL8069, that I found none. It is available only in smd version here. There is in the States a Market, named "BidCom", where they have available, almost a n y IC you want, but the minimum order per item should be at least 500$ !! I do not worry about the filter-coils, because, if I will not get them anywhere, I will finally fabricate them myself. As for the Linear Amplifier, I found the last two, needed, Amidon Cores in RCA-Athens. The only most difficult thing to get, is a good reliable AM-Stereo Receiver, like SRF-A100 of Sony, or the similar SRF-A200/300, or the Sanyo MW-250, to check the first tests on the road. I noticed that all of them, are out of production today, and unfortunately, manufacturers no more produce AM-Stereo radios.... Pitty. Also, I was informed that GRUNDIG, which was making some reliable AM-Stereo Radios in Europe, was bankrupted. Another Pitty.... There are, so time and then, a few AM-Stereo radios available in E-bay, but the prices are deterrent. Finally, I feel the need to thank you, as well as all the other members for the kind answers to my notes. Sincerely John Syros Athens-Greece Amy Mousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, john syros wrote: > Hello everybody, =snip= > I do not know the differences between the "Heavy" one I am building, (almost finishing now) and the "Lite" version, or their performances. To my opinion, the one I am building > must be more professional than the Lite one, but both can be further improved to perfection. The difference between the two is that the Alfredo Lite has no linear RF amp or audio compressor/equaliser. Reason being is just where you're at- Trying to find the obsolete ICs & parts made it more difficult. It would be nice if the Alfredo Lite's schematic, with all the modifications added since Alfredo's original transmitter design, were made available- Chris Cuff, who makes them has made some considerable improvements to the design over the last few years. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 12:58:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34764 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 20:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 20:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 20:58:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 20:57:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:57:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1125 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: News From Mexico X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > From: http://www2.allaccess.com/ > More interference from MEXICO is now targeting KABC-A/LOS ANGELES and > KAZM-A/SEDONA, AZ, as PACIFIC SPANISH NETWORK affiliate XESS-A/ENSENADA > signs on at 780. Reports from SDRADIO.NET indicate that the new 20kw > days/10kw nights signal is interfering with KABC in ORANGE COUNTY, while up > the coast at ALL ACCESS' offices north and south of LOS ANGELES, the new > station is inaudible but a loud hum of interference to the night signal of > KKOH-A/RENO, normally weakly audible in the area, has shown up. The same > folks are believed to be responsible for the move of XEKTT-A/TECATE to 560 > AM as KEPE, interfering with several Stateside stations. > > Kevin I haven't been having problems with the new 780 any more than I have with existing stations, but then maybe my portable radio has better selectivity than some other radios people use (and I thought mine had poor selectivity cause I can't get adjacent channel stations (and a few channels beyond) when I'm standing near an AM transmitter.) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 13:01:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60777 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 21:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 21:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 21:01:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20040210210133.36803.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:01:33 PST Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:01:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: Accurate Count X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Can somebody provide me with an accurate - traceable number of how many CQuam radios and/or chips were produced in the last 20 years? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Feb 10 14:39:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88842 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 22:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 22:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 22:39:02 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.184]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:46:27 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c3f026$61cc2c60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20040210210133.36803.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:36:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurate Count X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Man- That is almost impossible!- To begin with, you have to figure in every radio that Chrysler put in it's full line of cars from 1986 to 1990, when it was standard equipment- that # alone is staggering. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 4:01 PM Subject: {AMSF} Accurate Count > Can somebody provide me with an accurate - traceable number of how many CQuam > radios and/or chips were produced in the last 20 years? From castellano105@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 15:00:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75077 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 23:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 23:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 23:00:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 22:59:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:59:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 607 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 207.69.138.200 Subject: Old Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 I am 48 years old and I remember that AM not only Had Music on it,but Radio drama. The Lone Ranger,Green Horenet and so on and on.Because it was Radio writers and Actors had to make your imagination come to life. An actors voice had to convay all the emotional gamit , something that is lacking in many Actors of todays. Whit so many blind people today who would love this form of entertaiment you think,it would be back on radio. Think abouth it Radio Drama in AM Stereo you can heare the heavy breathing the door creeck.Thinks going bup in the night. This is one way to bring AM Back in buisenes. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 15:40:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20528 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 23:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 23:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 23:40:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 23:40:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:40:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1678 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.7 Subject: Re: Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > BZZZZZZZTTTT!! Wrong answer, bucko! At some point in the past, iBiquity most certainly *did* require a yearly licensing fee from IBOC stations. However, responding to criticism of this, they changed it to a one-time fee, as Radio World explained: "The fees work like this: Annual FCC regulatory fees for radio stations range from $250 to $4,550 based on station service, power class, and size of population served. A station would pay Ibiquity a one-time licensing fee calculated as 15 times its annual FCC regulatory fee. Thus, the range for a one-time perpetual license would be roughly $3,750 to $68,250. Ibiquity says the median one-time licensing fee would be about $12,900. Stations also could choose to pay over a 10-year period." However, iBiquity also wants to collect 3 percent of yearly station revenues from data services associated with IBOC. iBiquity's reaction to further criticism of this scheme resulted in the following incentive plan last year: "The first 125 for-profit commercial stations to enter into a station license agreement after February 1, 2003 will have the one-time fee for the audio license limited to a maximum of $5,000. All non- commercial, non-profit stations that enter into a station license agreement on or before June 30, 2003 will have the one-time fee for the audio license waived completely. All incentives are contingent upon the licensed station making its best commercial efforts to: (i) commence digital broadcasting by June 30, 2003 and (ii) continue to transmit in digital until at least December 31, 2004." So, will January 1, 2005 be the comeback date for analog AM Stereo? We shall see! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 15:44:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92720 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 23:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 23:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 23:44:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 23:44:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:44:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 558 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.7 Subject: Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Unless some FCC miracle mandating C-Quam in radios comes along, > there is not one scenerio you can present that will tell me that a > non stereo station adding C-Quam will see any other benefit than > kudos on this message board. There just aren't enough radios in > the field. But what is the benefit of adding IBOC when there are essentially *zero* receivers in the field? You may think that adding analog AM Stereo doesn't make much sense right now, but it obviously makes a lot *more* sense than adding IBOC -- even purely on a financial basis. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 15:45:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92757 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 23:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 23:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 23:45:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 23:44:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:44:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 617 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: Old Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Well... I bet the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy would be a fun AM Stereo broadcast... one of these days I'll buy Chris Cuff's Alfredo Lite and give it a listen. Hitchhiker's IS in stereo, by the way. I can also recommend the BBC's Lord of the Rings radio adaptation... it's 13 or 14 hours, and fantastic. I'm a major Tolkien fan, and I appreciate that the BBC was ENTIRELY faithful to the books... unlike a few movies that were made here recently. The BBC's Hobbit isn't nearly as good... the voice for Gandalf is aweful in that one. I wish they'd have used the guy from the Lord of the Rings. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 15:46:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35685 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 23:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 23:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 23:46:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2004 23:46:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:46:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 247 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: (AM only) Tube Tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I know Eico made an AM only tuner, and I also know of Fisher's AM-80. Does anyone know of other AM-only tuners out there? And like the one's above, I'm thinking of something designed like a stereo component, not an old wooden radio with AM. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 16:31:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62882 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 00:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 00:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 00:31:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 00:31:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 00:31:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 556 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.7 Subject: Re: Radio dramas in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics 1450 WCTC broadcasts "Imagination Theatre" in AM Stereo. The show's theme music and the syndicated commercials that come along with it are in full stereo, but unfortunately the dramas themselves (including sound effects) are produced in mono. That's probably because the dramas are *written* for mono. If they wanted to produce them in stereo, then their writers would have to incorporate the extra audio cues into the script (for example, "sound of door closing in left channel" or "sound of airplane passing by, panning from left to right"). From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Feb 10 16:55:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75913 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 00:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 00:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 00:55:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 00:55:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 00:55:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1245 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > But what is the benefit of adding IBOC when there are essentially > *zero* receivers in the field? You may think that adding analog > AM Stereo doesn't make much sense right now, but it obviously makes > a lot *more* sense than adding IBOC -- even purely on a financial > basis. Believe me, I am not an IBOC lover either. But manufacturers are not moving forward with any serious effort towards AM stereo receivers. I am afraid they never will and until something would come down from the FCC or some major funded corporation like an Ibiquity gets behind AM stereo as a serious alternative, I feel it will end up being a dying medium. A grass roots movement is not enough to change the minds of those out of the stereo circle. The focus should be to retain what is left. There is some hope for IBOC in broadcasting circles (as well as some who don't think it will fly). There's alot of money behind it and a mindset towards it. I don't feel AM HD is something I would push on my station or spend money on either. Right now if I had an AM, I would focus on the best possible analog AM sound I can get out of my state of the art transmitter. From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Feb 10 16:56:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13134 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 00:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 00:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.123) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 00:56:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:56:25 -0800 Received: from 172.131.83.89 by bay7-dav19.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 00:56:25 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: , Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:49:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2004 00:56:25.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFC3A950:01C3F039] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.123 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.131.83.89] Subject: Hunting Down Florida Pirates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's not just broadcast radio stations who are hunting down pirate FMs in SOUTH FLORIDA, according to the PALM BEACH POST, which reports that ham radio operators, computer programmers, broadcasting consultants and engineers, and others have joined the search for the countless illegal stations on the dial. A pair of private citizens, LU VENCI and STEVEN J. GREY, working as "SIGNAL FINDER INC.," are using LOJACK-style equipment to track pirates and have sent their information to the FCC but have not received a reply. Their company has inked CLEAR CHANNEL as a client; the region's radio dial is studded with Haitian, hip-hop, and other pirate operations that sometimes interfere with legal broadcasts and each other (a recent ALL ACCESS trip to the market turned up about five or six pirates audible at FORT LAUDERDALE-HOLLYWOOD INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT and three loud and clear in northern BROWARD COUNTY). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aalso@netzero.com Tue Feb 10 16:56:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52960 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 00:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 00:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 00:56:33 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([65.80.194.11]) by imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040211005541.VYNA6974.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:55:41 -0500 Message-ID: <40297DAB.8050207@netzero.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:56:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.69 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: Music Content Via AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:27:27 -0000 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: C-quam mandate and XM satellite radio > Turning to XM satellite radio. XM's music channels are now commercial > free and yes they are starting to offer local traffic and weather in Sirius always has been :) >> And now local traffic and weather for Miami is coming in a couple of >> months. Big corporate radio like clear channel should be very afraid >> of XM. Now with over 1 million subscribers XM will make it. > > I didn't think XM would make it, either, but it looks like it has, and you can thank conglomerate broadcasting for that! If it wasn't for the consolidate-and-cut-costs mentality, there would have been more diversity- and more competition- to listen to. XM and Sirius are the only real alternatives, since these servives offer a wide variety over each's 100 channels, and with far larger playlists than the basic 300-song playlist most stations have. (300 songs for 25 years of oldies??? COME ON! You guys can do better than that!) Speaking for WSOS AMS 1170 we have a 50's 60's 70's play list of about 1500 songs adding more each day. Just trying to get the computer to mix them up a little better right now. It currently likes to run the play list in the same order. That'll be fixed shortly. Alan Alsobrook CE WSOS From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 17:21:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32416 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 01:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 01:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 01:21:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 01:21:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 01:21:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40297DAB.8050207@netzero.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 906 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: Music Content Via AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > over each's 100 channels, and with far larger playlists than the > basic 300-song playlist most stations have. XM does have somewhat of a repetition pattern (I've heard Streisand's "Woman In Love" on the 80s channel twice, and I think Siouxsie and the Banshees "Cities In Dust" played more than once on "Lucy" as well)..The trick is, they pick songs that you haven't heard in a while.....I'd forgotten about Seduction's "Could This Be Love", but I heard it on the 90s channel the other day...And when was the last time you heard the 80s dance group Lime on the radio? XM's Chrome played it the other day. > Speaking for WSOS AMS 1170 we have a 50's 60's 70's play list of > about 1500 songs adding more each day. Good man...I just may have to pay St. Augustine a visit in the coming months, armed with my AM Stereo radios and my DAT recorder for an airchecking expedition. --tony/miami From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 18:14:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1046 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 02:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 02:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 02:14:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20040211021421.69307.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.69] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:14:21 PST Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:14:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- amstereodude wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry > Richards" > wrote: > > > > > Also, the Motorola mod monitor would have to be > calibrated, and who > > is going to do this? These units have been > unsupported by the > factory > > for a long time now. > > Mike Patton is one expert tech when it comes to this > sort of thing. > He could get both the exciter and mod monitor > calibrated to factory > specs. I believe he's in Louisiana. > Scott Todd And he does have a website. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From tomray@wor710.com Tue Feb 10 18:42:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44521 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 02:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 02:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 02:42:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 02:41:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:41:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1050 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > This is another thing I have a problem with. I don't recall any > other manufacturer asking for a fee for their intellectual property > like iBiquity is. > > Orban and Foti spend alot of time designing their boxes, but they > don't charge a fee. I'm sure Broadcast Electronics and Harris and > Nautel have come up with innovative designs, yet they don't charge a > licensing fee. > But Orban and Foti manufacture the product that their intellectual property is used in. The fee is built in automatically when you buy the box. iBiquity makes it possible for people like Harris and BE to manufacture exciters to make the HD system work. Maybe what they should have done is make the transmitter manufacturers pay a fee and then it becomes built into the price of the exciter, but that's not the way it is. Should you not have to pay Microsoft a fee to purchase Office 2003 to use on your computer manufactured by someone else? Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Feb 10 18:45:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13294 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 02:45:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 02:45:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 02:45:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 02:45:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:45:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 547 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray You did not say "at one time" in your original post. Your statement impled the here and now, and that statement was therefore incorrect. Any yes, iBiquity wishes to collect 3% for use of the extended services....ie, data transmission....that is used strictly for profit. A station would not have to pay to bring transmitter telemetry back on the data channel, or something like ABC newsroom data. However, if Kevtronics had a paging service and rented that data channel from the station, iBiquity wants a 3% royalty fee. Tom Ray WOR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 19:06:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68882 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 03:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 03:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 03:06:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 03:05:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 03:05:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 199 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.7 Subject: Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Right now if I had an AM, I would focus on the best possible analog > AM sound I can get out of my state of the art transmitter. You mean one like this? :-) http://mcnally.cc/gallery/wond02.jpg From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Feb 10 19:10:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36083 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 03:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 03:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 03:10:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 03:09:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 03:09:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 509 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: Pay Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > iBiquity makes it possible for people like Harris and BE to > manufacture exciters to make the HD system work. Maybe what they > should have done is make the transmitter manufacturers pay a fee and > then it becomes built into the price of the exciter, but that's not > the way it is. Bingo. That little thing goes a LOOOOONG way in customer relations. iBiquity, for lack of a better term, is doing this @ss backwards. From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Feb 10 19:11:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62619 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 03:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 03:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 03:11:31 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.18d.255115c5 (1320) for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:10:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <18d.255115c5.2d5af73d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:10:53 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.3 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Unless some FCC miracle mandating C-Quam in radios comes along, > >there is not one scenerio you can present that will tell me that a > >non stereo station adding C-Quam will see any other benefit than > >kudos on this message board. There just aren't enough radios in > >the field. >=20 > But what is the benefit of adding IBOC when there are essentially=20 > *zero* receivers in the field? You may think that adding analog > AM Stereo doesn't make much sense right now, but it obviously makes > a lot *more* sense than adding IBOC -- even purely on a financial=20 > basis. >=20 Well there may be...as it has been put "essentially zero receivers in the=20 field" now,but the IBOC "market" will be changing ..and at a rapid rate soo= ner=20 than most folks think..or want to believe. The AM Stereo "world" may have had receivers of all types in the field in t= he=20 beginning days of AM stereo,but AM stereo had all sorts of different modes = of=20 stereo in operation in its early days. Granted most people were so confused as to what stations were doing what to= =20 who and who was doing what when where and how. Most people probably had to read that last sentence several times to=20 understand what the point was.The same could have been said about people an= d the=20 operation of the multi mode AM stereo radios.Finally people gave up for the= most=20 part [the market place]. Had the radios of yester year had todays technology of seek and lock onto t= he=20 mode of AM stereo that was being used by a given station,there might be mor= e=20 AM stations operating in stereo today.Remember that MOST people in our=20 audience are not so technically inclined as most of us in this group are.Mo= st people=20 want to turn on the radio,hear music,news,talk and sports.They dont want to= =20 have to fiddle with a bunch of knobs,switches and look and blinking lights = to=20 get what they are after.If its complicated,not many people will bother with= =20 it.That was a great part of the down fall of analog AM stereo...to many=20 switches,knobs and buttons to fiddle with..so the market place said heck wi= th it for the=20 most part. The new IBOC/C-Quam/analog mono radios do everything automatically.So with= =20 that in mind...I think we will see a fair number of those radios=20 sold...especially once the price falls a little.Like everything that is new= on the=20 market....give it a short time for the price to drop.Look at VCRs,DVD playe= rs,CD=20 players..etc etc.Prices of those devices were high at the start...now you c= an almost=20 buy one for 50 bucks a piece or less today. AAaannnd as far as "badgering" a station to reinstall some C-Quam=20 equipment..if it were as easy as "plug and play",then every "WXYZ" "KXYZ" s= tation would=20 be reinstalling the C-Quam gear,but the cost of having everything aligned d= oes=20 not come cheap...especailly with older gear like this. Budgets in all departments at your local radio station have more than likel= y=20 have already been set in stone by this time of the year.We have to spend ou= r=20 budgets wisely...so why would someone spend even 2000 bucks on setting up o= lder=20 equipement for a mode that has a few receivers and will only be used 5 hour= s=20 a week? 2000 bucks in some cases could be going towards keeping someone=20 employed. Be thankful for those of us that are still using C-Quam for whatever time i= s=20 left to do so...and be thankful for those that help to spread some real wor= ld=20 knowledge from within the industry. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Feb 10 19:12:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2251 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 03:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 03:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 03:12:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 03:12:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 03:11:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 305 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > You mean one like this? :-) > > http://mcnally.cc/gallery/wond02.jpg If you replaced the RCA was a Harris Gates 5 or a Nautel (or BE). And the airchain wasn't ALL CRL with extra goodies added by yours truly... then yes. From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Feb 10 19:17:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22189 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 03:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 03:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 03:17:30 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.60.3ab91f51 (1320) for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:15:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <60.3ab91f51.2d5af83f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:15:11 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.144.207 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Right now if I had an AM, I would focus on the best possible analog > >AM sound I can get out of my state of the art transmitter. >=20 > You mean one like this? :-) >=20 > http://mcnally.cc/gallery/wond02.jpg >=20 With fresh 4-400's and properly adjusted processing...That RCA will sound=20 almost like a million bucks.[grin] Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Feb 10 19:27:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42225 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 03:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 03:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 03:27:22 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.140.21cf74ed (1320) for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:26:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <140.21cf74ed.2d5afafc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:26:52 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.5 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/10/04 6:36:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 castellano105@yahoo.com writes: > Think abouth it Radio Drama in AM Stereo you can > heare the heavy=20 > breathing the door creeck.Thinks going bup in the night. This is one > way to bring AM=20 > Back in buisenes. >=20 We run those old time radio [When Radio Was w/Stan Freberg] shows here week= =20 nights from 10pm til 11pm . The only stereo content you'll hear is from the network sponsors of=20 today.Everything else is in mono just as it was recorded when the shows wer= e taped in=20 their day.The old time shows are sent to radio stations via CD these days. = USA=20 Radio Network also airs those old shows [not sure from what provider=20 though],but you'll only hear everything in mono on the talk networks. Tonights show is "The Charlie McCarthy Show" part 2 from Nov 9th,1952.Charl= ie=20 to Marry Marilyn Monroe w/Edgar Bergen & Marilyn Monroe.Also later in the=20 hour is "The Adventures of the Thin Man" from July 6th ,1948.The Adventure = of the=20 Passionate Palooka w/Les Tremayne. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Feb 10 19:33:02 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Feb 10 19:39:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6889 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 03:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 03:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 03:39:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 03:37:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 03:37:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <60.3ab91f51.2d5af83f@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1074 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > With fresh 4-400's and properly adjusted processing...That RCA will sound > almost like a million bucks.[grin] > Here's the airchain: http://www.wa2fnq.hamradios.com/gli/1290gli1.htm Use the Hnat Hindes as AGC and the AM Prism for multiband compression and *some* limiting. Bypass any filering and pre-empahsis. I am also looking to see if there is a way to bypass the el-crapo FM like processing section of a 9100 and use just the clippers and NRSC LP filtering and then would use THAT instead of the Inovonics filters (basically feed a processed and pre-emphasized Inovonics into a 9100 and use just the filters and clippers. I know I did this once with an 8100... bypassed the internal processing right up to the pre- emphasis and clipping stage and ran a couple of Hnat Hindes Tri- Mazes.... sounded so much better than the 8100 alone or the 8100 with all sections working (or should I say fighting) with the Tri-Mazes. It would be Frankenstien, but would kick ass with music I can assure you. From aalso@netzero.com Tue Feb 10 19:41:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91798 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 03:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 03:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 03:41:10 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([65.80.194.11]) by imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040211033723.XEZH15673.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:37:23 -0500 Message-ID: <4029A395.6050704@netzero.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:37:57 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.70 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: IBOC Walkmans and portables X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr Message: 18 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:34:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Tn S." Subject: IBOC Walkmans and portables >Kevin, you bring up a good point about the unfeasibility of IBOC capable Walkmans and portables.... As with all new Technology, the first production runs will not be what you will see in the near future if the product takes off. Sirius & XM are both now to their 3rd generation chipset. I would expect IBOC receivers to do the same. If I understand correctly some of the IBOC receivers are using Sirius chipset to decode the audio. If IBOC fly's the portable decoders will appear. >As much as I love my XM, I can tell you that the XM boombox is not without its problems...I have to >have the antenna fully extended and preferably facing south...Theoretically, the antenna can be fit >on the back of the boombox, and the cable wound inside of the boombox for (easy portability), but >reception in this manner has not been possible for me....So using the boombox as I would a normal >boombox, ie, as a 'beach radio', is out of the question...It's a table radio, period...And while car >reception is generally excellent, going by a fast food drive thru usually produces 'dead spots' >(could it be the intercom?). XM (I hate to find myself defending them since I do contract work for Sirius) Shouldn't be affected by the radio's in use by fast food places. I would have to investigate more to determine the cause of your loss of signal. I think you'll find that your boom box will work without extending the antenna in many metro areas. It sounds like you are out of the range of a terrestrial repeater. Sirius & XM have Terrestrial repeaters in most metro areas. For Sirius I know they are putting up new ones everyday (and I enjoy making sure they get installed & work correctly). If your in range of one of the terrestrial repeaters you will be able to have reception inside with no antenna extension. Alan Alsobrook CSRE From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Feb 10 19:45:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2049 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 03:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 03:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 03:45:20 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.1a8.1f7614f5 (1320) for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:45:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1a8.1f7614f5.2d5aff42@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:45:06 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.36 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC Walkmans and portables X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/10/04 3:05:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 bossmsx2@yahoo.com writes: > ...And while car reception is generally excellent, going by a fast food=20 > drive thru usually produces 'dead spots' (could it be the intercom?). >=20 Probably not from the intercoms as most of them running duplex operate in t= he=20 low VHF band [30 -50 mhz],the VHF business band [150 -155mhz]....also in wh= at=20 is now the MURS band [its a VHF CB band on part of the old VHF business ban= d=20 --154mhz--] and some in the UHF areas.The drive thru menu outside is on one= =20 frequency while the person taking your order is on another frequency..for t= wo=20 way continious communications purposes. Probably what is causing grief to your reception if it is even related to t= he=20 restaurants,may be interference from microwave ovens. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 20:01:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26654 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 04:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 04:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 04:01:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 04:01:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 04:01:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2428 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > > People... let it go. WOR has made the choice not to go that way. I agree with, sadly: Nothing we say or do will change that fact. I > am as big an analog and I like C-QUam, but if I had a facility, I > could not justify the cost of restablishing AM stereo service the > way things are today. In our little circle of the world there are > alot of AM stereo radios. Outside of it, the radios are getting > scarce. Most people don't keep facorty radios in their cars anymore > and swap them out for CD changers etc etc. Incorrect. Aftermarket car stereo systems is actually a small number of the car stereos in use in the US. The average car ownership, new or used, is about 3 years, and used-car sales outnumber new car sales by a considerable margin. Most car owners CAN'T afford new car stereos, and for most, it's unnecessary- What's already in their car is all they really want, anyway. > The emphasis on this group should be to help keep the stations who > are currently running C-Quam on the air with it, not try and > influence someone without it to go back, because you're basically > asking them to throw their money away. Unless some FCC miracle > mandating C-Quam in radios comes along, there is not one scenerio > you can present that will tell me that a non stereo station adding C- > Quam will see any other benefit than kudos on this message board. > There just aren't enough radios in the field. Considering support for C-QUAM is rapidly coming to an end, it is only a matter of time that even the strongest supporters will have to either abandon C-QUAM for IBOC, or abandon the band altogether. Otherwise, I agree: It would be miraculous if C-QUAM would be mandated, but that's just wishing. Hell, IBOC renders Part-15 operations impossible, thanks to the proprietary nature of the beast. Our only hope in keeping any form of analog AM stereo alive is below 520kHz and above 1720kHz. We lost this battle- We have lost the AM broadcast band. But we can still win the war by staying with it and regain the band once IBOC runs its course. We must PRESERVE AM stereo for the radio world AFTER IBOC. We must ride out the next 10-20 years. But can we? Will we? Does any ofd us, other than myself who would want to stick with it? I feel like I'm alone here on this. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 20:29:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62909 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 04:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 04:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 04:29:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 04:28:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 04:28:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040210193444.96631.qmail@web11904.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2839 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: Re: IBOC Walkmans and portables X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tn S." wrote: > > > Kevin, you bring up a good point about the unfeasibility of IBOC capable Walkmans and portables.... I'll get to this in a moment. > As much as I love my XM, I can tell you that the XM boombox is not without its problems...I have to have the antenna fully extended and preferably facing south...Theoretically, the antenna can be fit on the back of the boombox, and the cable wound inside of the boombox for (easy portability), but reception in this manner has not been possible for me....So using the boombox as I would a normal boombox, ie, as a 'beach radio', is out of the question...It's a table radio, period...And while car reception is generally excellent, going by a fast food drive thru usually produces 'dead spots' (could it be the intercom?). No. > Also, as much as I love AM Stereo, I have certain Walkmen that produce platform motion while walking on C-QUAM...If that's the case with something as simple as C-QUAM, how much more unstable will an IBOC signal be while walking? I can only imagine! Now I can answer the previous paragraph with this one. :) Your issue here is you're looking for omnidirectionality-- There is not a radio I can think of in this world that ISN'T directional, or can be blocked, or interfered, or name-that-problem. "Perfect" just doesn't exist. That being said, the platform motion you experienced is when you're turning the radio AWAY from the station, especially if the turning is quick. But that, of course, would be HELL on an IBOC radio. :) > Add to that the fact that technology just plain doesn't exist yet to make an IBOC decoder that's smaller than a cigar box, and you really, really wonder....I'm not trying to sound negative or make fun of IBOC; in fact, I was actually hoping they'd release a portable of some sort early on because I really didn't feel like getting a car or home tuner. Oh, nonsense. The technology not only esists, it's been in use for quite a long time. The COFDM technology has been in use for nearly two decades, both by the military and by hams, plus D/A (digital-to- analog) converters are a dime a dozen, and the codec is just a matter of software. So.... Why would IBOC portables be battery eaters? It certainly has NOTHING to do with being digital! In fact, power consumption should be negligeable. Digital cellphones don't eat batteries. I really question any high-tech product that uses more than it comparatively should. If a MiniDisc recorder can last for many HOURS, on a single AA battery, including the occasional disc spinups and spindowns and the laser & magnet, you know a 30-minutes-on-4-AAAs DAB receiver is ridiculously power-hungry! It just doesn'tr make sense, except to the battery companies. $$$$$$ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 20:39:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27545 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 04:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 04:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 04:39:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 04:39:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 04:39:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 496 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.7 Subject: Re: WOND audio processing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > And the airchain wasn't ALL CRL with extra goodies added by yours > truly... then yes. I noticed WOND has a CRL MBL-100 (a.k.a. "Amigo Talk") at the bottom of the rack, which is a bit unusual to see in use at an AM station, as it's really a shortwave audio processor. It's basically CRL's dual-band AGC/compressor and tri-band peak limiter/clipper packaged together in a single unit, tweaked for talk programming, and fitted with a 6 kHz audio filter instead of the AM NRSC bandwidth. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 20:40:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68022 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 04:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 04:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 04:40:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 04:39:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 04:39:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1137 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-quam mandate and XM satellite radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I think the point is that, had C-QUAM been mandated earlier, AM > stations wouldn't have lost the listeners quite as fast. Remember, even > in 1984-5, KFRC was a top-rated top-40 station ... it took Walter Sabo > to destroy it. And Sabo would have still destroyed it, sadly. AM already started having its downturn by the late '70s, and it would have only been THEN that might have slowed down AM's fall. Any later, and the damage had been done. :( > Royalties would be the same for AM or FM. Had AM been better able to > compete ... This assumes that the proliferation of radios would have offered a level playing field, but by 1987, there were still too few AM radios up to the same quality as FM, and listenership was already down significantly by this point. FM won that battle by 1979. It was just a matter of time. Had the Magnavox system been mandated, AM would have remained a viable medium, and competant enough to cover royalty fees to keep the music going. After 1980, it was already over, but for the wait. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 20:59:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63957 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 04:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 04:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 04:59:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 04:58:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 04:58:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040210202435.74739.qmail@web60406.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 674 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: Re: Alfredo's, "Lite" or "Heavy"? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, john syros wrote: > Dear Amy, > > I still, will try to complete the Alfredo's project, now that I have almost completed it. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavor. We all should have goals like this! :) > On the other hand, I beleive that the AM Radio in my country, is very poor nowdays and needs to be pushed/upgraded, because the AM stations here are gradually extinguis-hing, giving up inevitably their place to the FM ones. This is true all around the world, sadly. Best we can hope for is that IBOC renders AM useless no further than those nations surrounding the US. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Feb 10 21:00:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44587 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 05:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 05:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 05:00:58 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1B50uYD007133 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:00:56 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1B50u3S001171 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:00:56 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1B50uiO001166 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:00:56 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <1AKS666H>; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:00:56 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDABD@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:00:55 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: IBOC Walkmans and portables X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day Amy, There is one major reason they are eating batteries - they are implemented using an extremely fast DSP and software loading from flash, rather than hardware ASIC's etc. Today's high speed DSP's are very power hungry as they have millions of transistors etc on them. They aren't as mature as traditional logic chips that do dedicated processing in hardware and are thus more efficient. Give them another few years and the power usage will plummet as technologies improve (higher densities etc) Matt =) -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2004 2:28 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC Walkmans and portables --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tn S." wrote: > > > Kevin, you bring up a good point about the unfeasibility of IBOC capable Walkmans and portables.... I'll get to this in a moment. > As much as I love my XM, I can tell you that the XM boombox is not without its problems...I have to have the antenna fully extended and preferably facing south...Theoretically, the antenna can be fit on the back of the boombox, and the cable wound inside of the boombox for (easy portability), but reception in this manner has not been possible for me....So using the boombox as I would a normal boombox, ie, as a 'beach radio', is out of the question...It's a table radio, period...And while car reception is generally excellent, going by a fast food drive thru usually produces 'dead spots' (could it be the intercom?). No. > Also, as much as I love AM Stereo, I have certain Walkmen that produce platform motion while walking on C-QUAM...If that's the case with something as simple as C-QUAM, how much more unstable will an IBOC signal be while walking? I can only imagine! Now I can answer the previous paragraph with this one. :) Your issue here is you're looking for omnidirectionality-- There is not a radio I can think of in this world that ISN'T directional, or can be blocked, or interfered, or name-that-problem. "Perfect" just doesn't exist. That being said, the platform motion you experienced is when you're turning the radio AWAY from the station, especially if the turning is quick. But that, of course, would be HELL on an IBOC radio. :) > Add to that the fact that technology just plain doesn't exist yet to make an IBOC decoder that's smaller than a cigar box, and you really, really wonder....I'm not trying to sound negative or make fun of IBOC; in fact, I was actually hoping they'd release a portable of some sort early on because I really didn't feel like getting a car or home tuner. Oh, nonsense. The technology not only esists, it's been in use for quite a long time. The COFDM technology has been in use for nearly two decades, both by the military and by hams, plus D/A (digital-to- analog) converters are a dime a dozen, and the codec is just a matter of software. So.... Why would IBOC portables be battery eaters? It certainly has NOTHING to do with being digital! In fact, power consumption should be negligeable. Digital cellphones don't eat batteries. I really question any high-tech product that uses more than it comparatively should. If a MiniDisc recorder can last for many HOURS, on a single AA battery, including the occasional disc spinups and spindowns and the laser & magnet, you know a 30-minutes-on-4-AAAs DAB receiver is ridiculously power-hungry! It just doesn'tr make sense, except to the battery companies. $$$$$$ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 21:17:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93852 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 05:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 05:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 05:17:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 05:17:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 05:17:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 267 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.7 Subject: Re: the future of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does any ofd us, other than myself who would want to stick with it? > > I feel like I'm alone here on this. Personally, just like ol' Lenny Kahn, I'll stubbornly support AM Stereo for as long as I live... or at least until something _truly_ better comes along. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 21:18:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17020 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 05:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 05:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 05:18:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 05:17:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 05:17:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1210 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Unless some FCC miracle mandating C-Quam in radios comes along, > > there is not one scenerio you can present that will tell me that a > > non stereo station adding C-Quam will see any other benefit than > > kudos on this message board. There just aren't enough radios in > > the field. > > But what is the benefit of adding IBOC when there are essentially > *zero* receivers in the field? You may think that adding analog > AM Stereo doesn't make much sense right now, but it obviously makes > a lot *more* sense than adding IBOC -- even purely on a financial > basis. A common myth I keep hearing is that there are no AM stereos out there. Just look around. MOST of the cars you see are not new- From within 203 years to as far back as 30. This means a LARGE number of AMS radios made over the last 20 years- and are still being installed to this day- are still being used on the road. AMS still accounts for 10%-15% of the car radios in use, and this is not that small a figure. In southern California alone there are at least a MILLION AMS radios still in use! Just for perspective, mind you. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 21:22:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48710 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 05:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 05:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 05:22:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 05:21:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 05:21:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 404 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: Re: Old Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > Well... I bet the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy would be a fun AM > Stereo broadcast... one of these days I'll buy Chris Cuff's Alfredo > Lite and give it a listen. Hitchhiker's IS in stereo, by the way. Yes it is, and the BBC is selling CDs and MP3 CDs of the series, in stereo. Great stuff. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 21:39:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95077 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 05:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 05:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 05:39:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 05:38:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 05:38:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2703 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > But what is the benefit of adding IBOC when there are essentially > > *zero* receivers in the field? You may think that adding analog > > AM Stereo doesn't make much sense right now, but it obviously makes > > a lot *more* sense than adding IBOC -- even purely on a financial > > basis. > > Believe me, I am not an IBOC lover either. But manufacturers are not > moving forward with any serious effort towards AM stereo receivers. Mostly out of contract obligations have any new receivers been built at all! Do note the timing: The C-QUAM contracts expire this year, and the IBOC ones start with the new model year, right on cue. If it weren't for contracts, AMS would have been dead long ago. As long as they don't see the money in something (not in sales, mind you- the contracts themselves and the favors often traded for them), they're not going to want it. For the manufacturers, C-QUAM was in a sense a liability, in that there wasn't anything particularly lucrative about it. > I am afraid they never will and until something would come down from > the FCC or some major funded corporation like an Ibiquity gets behind > AM stereo as a serious alternative, I feel it will end up being a > dying medium. A grass roots movement is not enough to change the > minds of those out of the stereo circle. The focus should be to > retain what is left. Corruption is the only way to succeed in the present environment. It's the only way to get anything done. Motorola was just not corrupt enough to get C-QUAM off the ground beyond a few begrudging contracts. For us, we can inherit what lies in ruin after IBOC destroys AM. It might not put more AM receivers in the hands of listeners, but those who can make use of the band, both broadcasters and listeners, can start fresh. > There is some hope for IBOC in broadcasting circles (as well as some > who don't think it will fly). There's alot of money behind it and a > mindset towards it. I don't feel AM HD is something I would push on > my station or spend money on either. Right now if I had an AM, I > would focus on the best possible analog AM sound I can get out of my > state of the art transmitter. As I said earlier, you'll either be forced to go IBOC or bail out- IBOC will leave no room for analog AM broadcasting, stereo or not. :( And yes, there is ALOT of money behind IBOC- We can't fight this kind of money or mandate. This is why I say we lost this battle. Just that the war is not won just yet! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Feb 10 21:52:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79204 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 05:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 05:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 05:52:24 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1B5qIYD012415 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:52:19 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1B5qIqg024318 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:52:18 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1B5qIo4024313 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:52:18 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <1AKS69TH>; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:52:18 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDABE@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:52:15 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Exactly right regarding the manufacturers. This is why the Factory OEM Visteon's have AM Stereo, however the aftermarket radios do not! Obviously with the new IBOC radio, they have chosen to include AM Stereo so there won't be any problem with the existing AM Stereo contract. When the AM Stereo contract expires, it is highly likely next years OEM Visteon's will be IBOC only. There are only two ways manufacturers will include additional features like CQUAM as standard: 1. Consumer demand - with the conversion underway to IBOC and literally one station a week going Mono, I can only see the demand for CQUAM decrease more in the next few years. 2. FCC Mandates CQUAM as compulsory for AM Broadcasters and receiver manufacturers. I don't think either of these options have any chance of occurring in the current marketplace where making money is the primary goal to the expense of any product quality (note the similarities between this statement as referenced to receiver manufacturers, and the current $tate of radio today!) Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2004 3:39 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > But what is the benefit of adding IBOC when there are essentially > > *zero* receivers in the field? You may think that adding analog > > AM Stereo doesn't make much sense right now, but it obviously makes > > a lot *more* sense than adding IBOC -- even purely on a financial > > basis. > > Believe me, I am not an IBOC lover either. But manufacturers are not > moving forward with any serious effort towards AM stereo receivers. Mostly out of contract obligations have any new receivers been built at all! Do note the timing: The C-QUAM contracts expire this year, and the IBOC ones start with the new model year, right on cue. If it weren't for contracts, AMS would have been dead long ago. As long as they don't see the money in something (not in sales, mind you- the contracts themselves and the favors often traded for them), they're not going to want it. For the manufacturers, C-QUAM was in a sense a liability, in that there wasn't anything particularly lucrative about it. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 22:02:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79264 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 06:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 06:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 06:02:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 06:02:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:02:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18d.255115c5.2d5af73d@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2467 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > > > >Unless some FCC miracle mandating C-Quam in radios comes along, > > >there is not one scenerio you can present that will tell me that a > > >non stereo station adding C-Quam will see any other benefit than > > >kudos on this message board. There just aren't enough radios in > > >the field. > > > > But what is the benefit of adding IBOC when there are essentially > > *zero* receivers in the field? You may think that adding analog > > AM Stereo doesn't make much sense right now, but it obviously makes > > a lot *more* sense than adding IBOC -- even purely on a financial > > basis. > > > > Well there may be...as it has been put "essentially zero receivers in the > field" now,but the IBOC "market" will be changing ..and at a rapid rate sooner > than most folks think..or want to believe. Of which I have been saying as much. Keep an eye out for HD Radio come the 2005 model year. IBOC is here, now. I'm not at all happy with it, but what can I do? Nothing, until it collapses. That may be years off. > The AM Stereo "world" may have had receivers of all types in the field in the > beginning days of AM stereo,but AM stereo had all sorts of different modes of > stereo in operation in its early days. The radio listening experience used to be far more diverse than it is now, even though portables, stereo tuner components, and alarm clock radios are still around. Unlike the 1980s, listening in the car is far more prevalent than it once was. > Granted most people were so confused as to what stations were doing what to > who and who was doing what when where and how. Most I knew then didn't know or really care. It was just a novelty, but that was about it, as far as they're concerned. > Most people probably had to read that last sentence several times to > understand what the point was.The same could have been said about people and the > operation of the multi mode AM stereo radios.Finally people gave up for the most > part [the market place]. While the SRF-A1 and A100 were big sellers, the bulk of AMS radios, even in the '80s, were C-QUAM. Most never had to bother with multi- mode AM stereo. =snip= > Be thankful for those of us that are still using C-Quam for whatever time is > left to do so...and be thankful for those that help to spread some real world > knowledge from within the industry. Believe me, I am. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 22:21:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86891 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 06:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 06:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 06:21:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 06:20:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:20:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 616 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: Re: the future of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Does any ofd us, other than myself who would want to stick with it? > > > > I feel like I'm alone here on this. > > Personally, just like ol' Lenny Kahn, I'll stubbornly support > AM Stereo for as long as I live... or at least until something > _truly_ better comes along. Now I don't quite feel so alone. I can't imagine life without analog AM stereo, regardless of the system in use. If we can't have the AM broadcast band for a few years, then... To longwave and shortwave we shall go! Part 15 AMS or bust! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Feb 10 22:44:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58836 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 06:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 06:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 06:44:01 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.188] (d156-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.188]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id i1B6gh593041 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:42:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:42:36 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1076456445.2769.20547.m13@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1084 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > People... let it go. WOR has made the choice not to go that way. I > am as big an analog and I like C-QUam, but if I had a facility, I > could not justify the cost of restablishing AM stereo service the > way things are today. In our little circle of the world there are > alot of AM stereo radios. Outside of it, the radios are getting > scarce. Most people don't keep facorty radios in their cars anymore > and swap them out for CD changers etc etc. Juan, Thank God someone else understands this. I have said in the past that we had better learn to deal with digital. C-QUAM is not dead but it is going to be in the next 5 years. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 22:48:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16350 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 06:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 06:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 06:48:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 06:48:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:48:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDABE@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2862 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Exactly right regarding the manufacturers. > > This is why the Factory OEM Visteon's have AM Stereo, however the > aftermarket radios do not! > > Obviously with the new IBOC radio, they have chosen to include AM Stereo so > there won't be any problem with the existing AM Stereo contract. When the > AM Stereo contract expires, it is highly likely next years OEM Visteon's > will be IBOC only. By Jove, I think 'e's got it! :) The contracts appear to specify a minimum percentage of C-QUAM receivers per year for the length of the contracts' terms, and 20- year contracts aren't anything new in the business world...and now we're coming up on that 20th year about to expire! I think just about everyone on the corporate side of the industry have been quietly hoping AMS would just go away, and put the whole mess behind them, but there have been obligations, which they all quietly fulfilled, and so forth. In about 10 years' time, some will look fondly back at the SANE days of AMS. For now, IBOC is here, and there's noi point left for my "no2iboc" group anymore. The battle is over, and we lost this round. Vigilance for the future is all we have. > There are only two ways manufacturers will include additional features like > CQUAM as standard: > > 1. Consumer demand - with the conversion underway to IBOC and literally one > station a week going Mono, I can only see the demand for CQUAM decrease more > in the next few years. Most consumers wouldn't even know what they have even when they have it. We're lucky to have had these last two decades as we have. > 2. FCC Mandates CQUAM as compulsory for AM Broadcasters and receiver > manufacturers. Even they never did this for FM or TV stereo! > I don't think either of these options have any chance of occurring in the > current marketplace where making money is the primary goal to the expense of > any product quality (note the similarities between this statement as > referenced to receiver manufacturers, and the current $tate of radio today!) Corruption has been instrumental in all of this. I don't mind people earning their worth, even if it's far beyond the average, but I tire of the corporates and the backroom games they play for the sake of power, money, and influence, and what they have done to the world around them all in the name of greed. We, the Consumers, mean NOTHING, not even having jobes so we could BUY their products and services! If we did count, AM radios would not be manufactured as afterthoughts or cheesy disposable novelties, and AM radio would have had a DECENT chance to compete with other media. But money talks, and it isn't ours, except the taxes....and even they, we have no say with THAT! :( Welcome to reality. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Feb 10 23:32:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78680 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 07:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 07:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 07:32:56 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.12e.3b609b71 (4328) for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:32:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12e.3b609b71.2d5b3494@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:32:36 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.103 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hunting Down Florida Pirates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/10/04 8:05:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, possumhun ter@netzero.net writes: > It's not just broadcast radio stations who are hunting down pirate FMs in= =20 > SOUTH FLORIDA, according to the PALM BEACH POST, which reports that ham r= adio=20 > operators, computer programmers, broadcasting consultants and engineers, = and=20 > others have joined the search for the countless illegal stations on the d= ial. >=20 > A pair of private citizens, LU VENCI and STEVEN J. GREY, working as "SIGN= AL=20 > FINDER INC.," are using LOJACK-style equipment to track pirates and have = sent=20 > their information to the FCC but have not received a reply. Their company= =20 > has inked CLEAR CHANNEL as a client; the region's radio dial is studded w= ith=20 > Haitian, hip-hop, and other pirate operations that sometimes interfere wi= th=20 > legal broadcasts and each other (a recent ALL ACCESS trip to the market t= urned=20 > up about five or six pirates audible at FORT LAUDERDALE-HOLLYWOOD=20 > INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT and three loud and clear in northern BROWARD COUNTY= ). >=20 A few sticks of dynomite,hand grenades and bring along Mr. Smith and Weston= =20 would quieted up those pirate operations.Plus put all of those job=20 sucking,welfare chomping,resource hogging illegal imigrants back on the boa= t...destination=20 "Back to homeland". And for the resident non-law abiding egg sucking punks= =20 born in this country running illegal radio stations...chop both hands off a= nd=20 commit them to high powered shock treatments for life using an extension co= rd=20 plugged into a wall socket. Hehehe...a little to harsh you may say?...Probably so,but one thing that=20 really bugs me is someone that decides that they are going to do their own = thing=20 regardless of the law and the rights and needs of others. Possum,sounds like your knee deep down there. Missing SC yet? lol Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 11 00:50:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21253 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 08:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 08:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 08:50:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 08:50:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:50:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1091 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.14.147 Subject: Re: the future of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > Does any ofd us, other than myself who would want to stick with > it? > > > > > > I feel like I'm alone here on this. > > > > Personally, just like ol' Lenny Kahn, I'll stubbornly support > > AM Stereo for as long as I live... or at least until something > > _truly_ better comes along. > > Now I don't quite feel so alone. > > I can't imagine life without analog AM stereo, regardless of the > system in use. > > If we can't have the AM broadcast band for a few years, then... To > longwave and shortwave we shall go! > > Part 15 AMS or bust! > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Well i am with you on that one Amy . The sampls i heard on WOR AM 710 sounded terrable. But AM STEREO in person sounds great and its to bad that AMS an AM got the bad shake on the hole deal. The FCC said 20 years ago that AMS would make AM more compedative with FM .Well sence the FCC scrood up every thing to with AM that did not happen. Jim S From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 11 01:04:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24980 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 09:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 09:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 09:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.14.147 with login) by smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 09:03:38 -0000 Message-ID: <001201c3f07d$395bc680$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 00:58:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.80 From: Subject: Its to bad X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its to bad that Chris Cuff is dry docked right now . Because he was a big help in putting out the word about AMS and putting AMS in peoples hands. Bt i understand famly comes first!!!!!!! Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Feb 11 01:10:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21429 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 09:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 09:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 09:10:43 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-67-124-14-147.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.124.14.147]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i1B99OX30516; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 01:09:24 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c3f07e$07ac8c40$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 01:04:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: Its to bad X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its to bad that Chris Cuff got dry docked . Because he put the word out about AMS and he put AMS in peoples hands. BUT i understand famly come first !!!!!! Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From krichards@wor710.com Wed Feb 11 04:41:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12534 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 12:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 12:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 12:41:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 12:40:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:40:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4783 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 C-Quam is not dead yet, but it obviously is on it's way out. If and when Visteon stops making C-Quam radios then that will close the door on C-Quam. They claim that C-Quam is embedded in their current design and since there is no reason to change it, it is staying in the current HD radio designs. Visteon buys it's components in an extremely high volume, and that is one of the reasons the HD radios are taking a long time to to make it to the marketplace. Since Ford and Lincoln Mercury designs are in a three year cycle it takes a while to get into the market. Both Kenwood and Panasonic always said that in the first batch of HD radios they would be available only in their "high-end" products. Those who are crying that they cannot afford an HD Radio will have to wait until such time as the HD chipsets become cheaper. As far as a HD walkman, it is about 2 years away, according to my friends at Ibiquity, they see this occuring on the next generation chipsets which will occur in the lab shortly. The good news for HD is that more radios are coming out each month. When someone like Bose makes a Wave HD radio which consumers like, then the real proliferation will start. We have sold thousands of these radios here at WOR. It's just a matter of time. On the broadcaster's end of things there is a lot of excitement about HD Radio. Many AM stations are looking forward to the ability to enter the digital marketplace, FM stations are anxious about the XM and Sirius threat so they too are jumping on the HD bandwagon also. Out in the Midwest where HD is starting to enter the marketplace the reports are very good for HD. Those consumers who have heard it are amazed at it's sound on AM, and with the Tommorow radio project tests FM broadcasters are getting excited about the future. Those who complain here about the ruination of the AM band probably have little or no experience with AM HD Radio. They have not heard it or experienced the startling difference between HD and analog AM. But they are very vocal here and love to bitch about it, this is illogical. Those who want to carry a torch for C-Quam, who cares? Do you think anything will change? Very unlikely, millions of dollars are at stake, and HD radio is on it's way to the consumer, maybe not as fast as we would like, but it is on it's way. We see this everyday as someone else shuts off the C-Quam. What I find funny, is those who find each day there are fewer and fewer C-Quam stations still claim HD Radio is a mistake, maybe to them it is, but in the REAL world it is not. There are a lot of nuts out there, and I'm sorry to say some of them hang around here. Most of the people here complaining are from places so far away and markets so small that they are so removed from any realistic situation, yet they have an equal voice here, and also claim to be experts about C-Quam, AM Radio, AM Radio and Radio programming in general, Digital Radio, HD, Sirius, and XM as well. I am not an expert in any of these fields, but I am an engineer in the #1 radio market, so I have some minor modicum of experience in these matters. I have to put this experience up to some of the crazy replies seen here. Sometimes it's just plain nuts and lacks plain common sense which most people have. How could anyone out in Podunkville, have any idea what is happening in many major markets right now? They usually do not have any idea and as such, you have to consider the source when reading the barrage of crap you get in the way of strange emails and messages when you honestly try to explain what is happening. Others make crazy predictions about how many C-Quam radios there are out there, believe me, if there were as many as some here claim, C- Quam would not have failed. How about providing an accurate source for this data? Prove this claim..... Others who think Leonard Kahn will be the saviour of AM Stereo better look at what the industry thinks of Leonard and how well he has done. The track record in his case says it all. C-Quam can exist today with HD Radio in the form of nightime service for those listeners with Visteon radios. Once nightime AM HD radio starts then that will close the door on this chapter and technology. C-Quam will not be supported by Radio manufacturers and Broadcasters. Times change, technolgy improves, this is a fact of life, we need to adjust and get on with the business of delivering an AM stereo signal to the radio reciever, that has always been my point plain and simple. It seems the new and better way to do this is HD Radio, that is the tool and current technolgy I have to work with. That's all I've been saying here from day one. Kerry Richards Chief Engineer WOR-AM Buckley Broadcasting Corporation From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 06:21:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 458 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 14:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 14:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 14:21:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 14:20:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:20:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 314 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > C-Quam is not dead yet, but it obviously is on it's way out. This statement is correct: It's no longer a matter of "if", but "when"; otherwise, you answered your own question- Especially in gloating about IBOC. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 07:22:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57932 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 15:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 15:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 15:22:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20040211151015.84186.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:10:15 PST Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:10:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.72 From: "John P." Subject: Multi-station issues? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio This is OT, but I'm wondering about the mountain areas with translator FM stations and the main station with IBOC. If you spend the money to add IBOC just to your "main" station and not to your translators, won't you have to add time delays to all of your translators or will the audio be 7 seconds ahead of the main station? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 07:24:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92404 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 15:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 15:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 15:24:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 15:23:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:23:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1774 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: AM stereo and the mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Just so it's known, I'm not giving up on AM stereo, and never will. I'm just feeling low about where things are going on the AM band. Yes, there will be C-QUAM stations for some time- Perhaps as long as the next 3-5 years, until they're either forced to go IBOC or be squeezed off the band entirely, with IBOC's wideband interference. It also effectively means the end of the era of Part 15 (very low power) broadcasting, once the band becomes too unusable. I salute those stations who will continue broadcasting in C-QUAM for as long as they possibly can, and I pray to God they NEVER give up the fight. But for now, IBOC is inevitable. This is very bitter cheese to me, so pardon me if I have difficulty with it. NAB is pushing for nighttime IBOC. The radios will be available soon. Many more stations are going IBOC. It's just inevitable, now. So where do we go from here? We should keep trying to get AMS equipment, try to encourage out-of- band broadcasting (as long as it follows Part 15 guidelines, at the very least- No interference to other services), and preserve the knowledge and technology for the day a certain proprietary system falls. We can't rely on Motorola or Sony or anyone else any more to keep C- QUAM going. It's up to US to ensure AM stereo is not, and NEVER forgotten. This is the new battle: to prevent the total obliteration of AM stereo radio technology by preserving it for the next generations, and the next battle- To reclaim the AM band from IBOC, once IBOC runs its course. For now, enjoy the AM stereo we have now for as long as we can. It's just a matter of time these stations will have to make a choice. To the future, and new battles. C-QUAM is not proprietary, and that's its saving grace. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Feb 11 07:25:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23999 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 15:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 15:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 15:25:58 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:25:53 -0700 Message-ID: <006901c3f0b3$566b7140$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:25:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eek! Got any room in your mousehole, Amy? I feel I've just been reduced to something the size of about a roach, about to be squashed by BIGFOOT from the big city. I guess I'll go back to fantasy land. Radio in a small town isn't a realistic situation ya know. Michael n podunkville There are a lot of nuts out there, and I'm sorry to say some of them hang around here. Most of the people here complaining are from places so far away and markets so small that they are so removed from any realistic situation, yet they have an equal voice here, and also claim to be experts about C-Quam, AM Radio, AM Radio and Radio programming in general, Digital Radio, HD, Sirius, and XM as well. How could anyone out in Podunkville, have any idea what is happening in many major markets right now? They usually do not have any idea and as such, you have to consider the source when reading the barrage of crap you get in the way of strange emails and messages when you honestly try to explain what is happening. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Feb 11 07:30:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78526 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 15:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 15:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 15:30:41 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:30:15 -0700 Message-ID: <007601c3f0b3$f2e2d4f0$5401010a@AM> To: References: <20040211151015.84186.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:30:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Multi-station issues? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is an EXCELLENT point, John. I would certainly think your translator would have to have an IBOC receiver in it in order to re-broadcast the IBOC signal properly. And yes, probably some sort of time-delay sync setup so you don't get the analog signals out of sync. Interesting point. I know in Salt lake City, which has turned into "power booster hell" there are a few that go out of sync from time to time between the main and the boosters. Talk about messed up! Michael n podunkville ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:10 AM Subject: {AMSF} Multi-station issues? This is OT, but I'm wondering about the mountain areas with translator FM stations and the main station with IBOC. If you spend the money to add IBOC just to your "main" station and not to your translators, won't you have to add time delays to all of your translators or will the audio be 7 seconds ahead of the main station? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Feb 11 07:45:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22897 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 15:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 15:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 15:45:07 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:43:47 -0700 Message-ID: <008001c3f0b5$d69b13a0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:43:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo and the mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm with ya all the way Amy. Here in podunkville, we're a small market small town station and I promise ya, we ain't got the money, nor will we have it any time soon to go IBOC. I'm pretty sure the old McMartian BA1k probably won't support it anyway. So we're talking major expense. I'm pretty sure we'll stay as we are for many years to come. And we ARE c-quam AM Stereo. Yeah I'm sure the big city guys are shaking their heads saying "tsk tsk. Poor stupid fool." Oh well. Too bad we ain't got the big buckage to join the real world. I haven't gotten one call saying "Hey, when are y'all going digital?" and I'm sure I won't anytime soon, either. back to my crevice in the wall MJR n podunkville ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:23 AM Subject: {AMSF} AM stereo and the mouse Just so it's known, I'm not giving up on AM stereo, and never will. I'm just feeling low about where things are going on the AM band. Yes, there will be C-QUAM stations for some time- Perhaps as long as the next 3-5 years, until they're either forced to go IBOC or be squeezed off the band entirely, with IBOC's wideband interference. I salute those stations who will continue broadcasting in C-QUAM for as long as they possibly can, and I pray to God they NEVER give up the fight. We should keep trying to get AMS equipment, try to encourage out-of- band broadcasting (as long as it follows Part 15 guidelines, at the very least- No interference to other services), and preserve the knowledge and technology for the day a certain proprietary system falls. We can't rely on Motorola or Sony or anyone else any more to keep C- QUAM going. It's up to US to ensure AM stereo is not, and NEVER forgotten. This is the new battle: to prevent the total obliteration of AM stereo radio technology by preserving it for the next generations, and the next battle- To reclaim the AM band from IBOC, once IBOC runs its course. For now, enjoy the AM stereo we have now for as long as we can. It's just a matter of time these stations will have to make a choice. To the future, and new battles. C-QUAM is not proprietary, and that's its saving grace. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 07:59:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18869 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 15:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 15:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 15:59:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 15:58:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:58:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006901c3f0b3$566b7140$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 539 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Eek! Got any room in your mousehole, Amy? I feel I've just been reduced to something the size of about a roach, about to be squashed by BIGFOOT from the big city. I guess I'll go back to fantasy land. Radio in a small town isn't a realistic situation ya know. > > Michael n podunkville There's always room, and I could use the company! :/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (In the rural redwoods, and we ALL know the kind of fruitcakes that live HERE, right??) From johnsyros2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 08:02:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: johnsyros2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65239 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 16:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 16:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60406.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.189) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 16:02:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20040211160103.85140.qmail@web60406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.249.18.67] by web60406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:01:03 PST Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:01:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.189 From: john syros Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Alfredo's, "Lite" or "Heavy"? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159848949 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnsyros2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Chris, I thank you for your kind reply and your instructions. Whenever you complete your kits, please let me know. I hope that in the new kits you will include the amendments/improovements. All the best John Syros Chris Cuff wrote: I can answer this one, as I designed the "Alfredo Lite" and brought it to reality. I also built a few of the original design exciters, but decided to make a smaller version, without the peak limiter IC's which became unavailable. I modified it - actually "tweaked" it as time went on since making the first "lite" 4 years ago. There was also the matter of cost. As a demonstration device, I wanted it to be good, and very affordable- Both goals having been met. After the first dozen or so, I had my PC board made for me- a real time saver. Now, I am about to make these available in build-it-yourself kits- as soon as I am comfortable that there won't be any disiasters in my instructions. Chris Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 08:07:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18720 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 16:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 16:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 16:07:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 16:06:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:06:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008001c3f0b5$d69b13a0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1375 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo and the mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > I'm with ya all the way Amy. Here in podunkville, we're a small market small town station and I promise ya, we ain't got the money, nor will we have it any time soon to go IBOC. I'm pretty sure the old McMartian BA1k probably won't support it anyway. So we're talking major expense. I'm pretty sure we'll stay as we are for many years to come. And we ARE c-quam AM Stereo. Yeah I'm sure the big city guys are shaking their heads saying "tsk tsk. Poor stupid fool." Oh well. Too bad we ain't got the big buckage to join the real world. I haven't gotten one call saying "Hey, when are y'all going digital?" and I'm sure I won't anytime soon, either. > > back to my crevice in the wall Well, as I have said, it's people like you who keep the dream alive. I DO remember the hard work you put in to install and realign the exciter, and I've heard the airchecks-- If a hick from Podunkville, such as yourself could get C-QUAM working, anybody could- As long as they really cared about it, and I know you do. And you have done good, and I think you'll continue to do good for a long time. Hell, if one can get a McMartin and C-QUAM to sound great, even on days when the tubes aren't their best, I think anyone can pull off a miracle like that! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Wed Feb 11 09:03:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43007 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 17:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 17:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 17:03:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 17:02:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:02:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040211151015.84186.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 873 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: Multi-station issues? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > This is OT, but I'm wondering about the mountain areas with translator FM > stations and the main station with IBOC. If you spend the money to add IBOC > just to your "main" station and not to your translators, won't you have to add > time delays to all of your translators or will the audio be 7 seconds ahead of > the main station? If this is truly a translator, which converts an incoming signal to a different output frequency, than it will retransmit what it takes in....which will be 7 seconds behind and therefore will be in sync. If it's retransmitting an IBOC signal, the bits just get reshaped and resent. Tom Ray WOR > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 09:12:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77158 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 17:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 17:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 17:12:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 17:12:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:11:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1194 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > C-Quam can exist today with HD Radio in the form of nightime service > for those listeners with Visteon radios. If you truly believe that -- and so far you appear to be one of the few who do -- then why isn't WOR transmitting C-Quam at night to complement its daytime IBOC signal? Somebody has to put their money where their mouth is and make an example -- especially in the #1 radio market -- or else your idea will be ignored. Of course, any of us could _suggest_ such a scheme to the former AM Stereo stations that are currently using/testing IBOC, but as you have been keen to point out in the past, most of us here don't work in radio, and we don't have the kind of connections you have, particularly when it comes to iBiquity and IBOC stations. And do these stations that are switching to IBOC even _know_ that Visteon's radios will have dual support for IBOC and AM Stereo? Perhaps with your help, we could at least get it mentioned in something like Radio World. I've seen numerous write-ups about IBOC by you and Tom in various radio publications; perhaps next time, you could spend at least a few words describing your plan of daytime IBOC and nighttime C-Quam? From dougharding@mindspring.com Wed Feb 11 09:14:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92662 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 17:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 17:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 17:14:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 17:13:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:13:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 502 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Re: (AM only) Tube Tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I just bought a restored to new Heathkit AJ-21 off of ebay. Here is a web link to it. It is wideband and sounds great. http://www.heathkit-museum.com/hifi/aj-21.shtml --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > I know Eico made an AM only tuner, and I also know of Fisher's AM-80. > > Does anyone know of other AM-only tuners out there? And like the > one's above, I'm thinking of something designed like a stereo > component, not an old wooden radio with AM. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 09:21:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68903 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 17:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 17:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 17:21:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 17:20:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:20:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1301 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: The *international* AM Stereo scene X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > For now, enjoy the AM stereo we have now for as long as we can. It's > just a matter of time these stations will have to make a choice. Ummm... we seem to be forgetting two things here: 1. the USA is just ONE of the MANY countries in which stations are currently broadcasting AM Stereo, and in which many thousands of people are listening to AM Stereo right now. 2. conversely, the USA is the ONLY country in which IBOC has become the de facto solution for digital radio broadcasting. Almost everywhere else, digital radio is being provided via Eureka-147, and the analog radio bands (AM, FM, LW, and SW) bands will remain as-is for years, if not decades. So, so what if AM Stereo is being forced out of the USA by IBOC? There still will be AM Stereo in Canada, Mexico, Japan, Australia, Brazil, South Africa, Thailand, etc. etc...! This is, and always has been, an INTERNATIONAL group. So far, most of our members are from the USA, but that's largely because most of the AM Stereo stations have been in the USA, and most of the AM Stereo receivers have been sold in the USA. But even if that changes, AM Stereo will continue to exist on every other inhabited continent in the world! That is what _I_ will be here to support, and I hope everybody else can say that as well. From dougharding@mindspring.com Wed Feb 11 09:50:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25049 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 17:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 17:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 17:50:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 17:50:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:50:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 841 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Amy you are not alone in this. I will continue to broadcast programming from my computer to all my AM stereo tuners/radios around my place in AM stereo for the rest of my life. Part 15 will not be dead for me. I even have a Motorola 1400 exciter in perfect operating order, and a 1410 Motorola Modulation monitor just in case I ever win the lottery and want to buy a AM radio station and broadcast in stereo. ( I know the odds are against it but you never know ) > Hell, IBOC renders Part-15 operations impossible, thanks to the > proprietary nature of the beast. > > We must PRESERVE AM stereo for the radio world AFTER IBOC. > > We must ride out the next 10-20 years. > > But can we? > > Will we? > > Does any ofd us, other than myself who would want to stick with it? > > I feel like I'm alone here on this. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 09:55:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10167 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 17:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 17:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 17:55:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 17:55:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:55:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2621 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: Re: The *international* AM Stereo scene X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > For now, enjoy the AM stereo we have now for as long as we can. It's > > just a matter of time these stations will have to make a choice. > > Ummm... we seem to be forgetting two things here: > > 1. the USA is just ONE of the MANY countries in which stations are > currently broadcasting AM Stereo, and in which many thousands of > people are listening to AM Stereo right now. It just happens to be the largest, in terms of number of stations. > 2. conversely, the USA is the ONLY country in which IBOC has become > the de facto solution for digital radio broadcasting. Almost > everywhere else, digital radio is being provided via Eureka-147, and > the analog radio bands (AM, FM, LW, and SW) bands will remain as-is > for years, if not decades. Not quite- There has been some movement towards DRM, but it really looks more to be a curiosity than anything else. There are a few full- time DRM stations on the MW band in Europe, particularly in Germany. > So, so what if AM Stereo is being forced out of the USA by IBOC? > There still will be AM Stereo in Canada, Mexico, Japan, Australia, > Brazil, South Africa, Thailand, etc. etc...! Except as I noted in a previous post, IBOC's interference renders AM radio useless as much in our neighbors as it does to us. This particularly affects Canada, Mexico, the Bahamas, and the Caribbean, and not to mention the trans-oceanic recepotion in the Pacific for radio in island countries nearby Hawaii! One can call this "spreading the goodness around"; others might refer it in less wholesome terms. > This is, and always has been, an INTERNATIONAL group. So far, most of > our members are from the USA, but that's largely because most of the > AM Stereo stations have been in the USA, and most of the AM Stereo > receivers have been sold in the USA. But even if that changes, AM > Stereo will continue to exist on every other inhabited continent in > the world! That is what _I_ will be here to support, and I hope > everybody else can say that as well. This is quite true, but as you note, while AMS is international in scope, the lion's share of those here are Americans, and for Americans, Canadians (who are experiencing a meltdown of their own, with the mass migration to FM/DAB) and Mexicans (especially in the northern half of Mexico), it's about to become a nightmare. And the Canadians & Mexicans won't even have a remedy at hand in the form of IBOC receivers! I think one termed IBOC correctly: Mutually-Assured Destruction. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 09:58:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82172 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 17:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 17:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 17:58:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 17:57:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:57:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 693 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > Amy you are not alone in this. I will continue to broadcast > programming from my computer to all my AM stereo tuners/radios around > my place in AM stereo for the rest of my life. Part 15 will not be > dead for me. I even have a Motorola 1400 exciter in perfect operating > order, and a 1410 Motorola Modulation monitor just in case I ever win > the lottery and want to buy a AM radio station and broadcast in > stereo. ( I know the odds are against it but you never know ) I envy you- I would LOVE to get my little mousie paws on those things! :) Keep that (pilot) light burning! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Wed Feb 11 10:06:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93953 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 18:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 18:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 18:06:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 18:06:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:06:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 529 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.187.27 Subject: Re: WOND audio processing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I noticed WOND has a CRL MBL-100 (a.k.a. "Amigo Talk") at the bottom > of the rack, which is a bit unusual to see in use at an AM station, > as it's really a shortwave audio processor. It's basically CRL's > dual-band AGC/compressor and tri-band peak limiter/clipper packaged > together in a single unit, tweaked for talk programming, and fitted > with a 6 kHz audio filter instead of the AM NRSC bandwidth. That unit can go to 10kHz NRSC. From tomray@wor710.com Wed Feb 11 10:09:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37611 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 18:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 18:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 18:09:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 18:08:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:08:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > If you truly believe that -- and so far you appear to be one of the > few who do -- then why isn't WOR transmitting C-Quam at night to > complement its daytime IBOC signal? Somebody has to put their money > where their mouth is and make an example -- especially in the #1 radio > market -- or else your idea will be ignored. Because the FCC report and order specifically says that IBOC is legal for DAYTIME ONLY. Unless it is requested of us by the FCC, iBiquity, or the NAB, even with an STA, we cannot operate and IBOC carrier full time. While I have broached the subject, there has been no request for further nighttime testing with WOR at this time. > perhaps next time, you > could spend at least a few words describing your plan of daytime IBOC > and nighttime C-Quam? Unless there is a specific compelling reason to consider nighttime C- Quam operation, I will not be able to get backing from management on the purchase of C-Quam equipment for WOR. Right now, it is not justifiable. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Feb 11 10:14:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61967 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 18:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 18:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 18:14:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 18:14:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:14:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 769 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: The *international* AM Stereo scene X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray International groups ARE looking at IBOC. Since June, I have demo'd for the FCC equivalancies of: Japan, Austrailia, Canada, South Africa, and tomorrow will be meeting with representatives from Argentina and Friday with reps from Brazil. All say the same thing....Eureka is proving not particularly viable due to issues with L-band propagation, and, at least in Japan, television occupies the L- band frequencies in the major cities and will for the forseeable future. So it's nice Japan has digital radio.....but not in the cities, where it really counts. All say the same thing about the IBOC demo here....sounds good, works well, and makes much more sense to use existing allocations than to reinvent the wheel in their frequency plans. Tom Ray WOR From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Wed Feb 11 10:17:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40709 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 18:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 18:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 18:17:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 18:16:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:16:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2050 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.187.27 Subject: Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > A common myth I keep hearing is that there are no AM stereos out > there. > > Just look around. > > MOST of the cars you see are not new- From within 203 years to as far > back as 30. This means a LARGE number of AMS radios made over the > last 20 years- and are still being installed to this day- are still > being used on the road. Most of the cars I see on the road are within the last 10 years. Alot of the older cars (that are no longer under lease deals) have replaced the factory radio with an aftermarket radio. For every car that has an AM stereo radio, there are probably 50 or 60 or more that don't. Chrysler probably did the best job, but I don't think they offer AM Stereo in any new car radio. I think GM is down to Cadillac only if I'm not mistaken. Does Ford offer any? None of the foriegn car manufacturer's offer AMS, and I couldn't go out to the local Wal Mart or K-Mart and buy a stereo AM radio today. I have to really hunt and peck or modify something or look on eBay. That's your problem. Now, there are even LESS IBOC radios out there. The difference is, there are plans to *shudder* eventually get alot of HD radios on the market. Unlike AM Stereo, the IBOC fiasco is well funded. The only hope is that the broadcast indusrty did a 180 on RDS and has now embraced it here in the US. The only happy ending for AM Stereo is if HD fails and then maybe a push to mandate receiver design with the FCC for AM includes AM Stereo. That is a HUGE if. For now, we have to ride the HD wave and pray we all don't drown under the sea of white noise. > > AMS still accounts for 10%-15% of the car radios in use, and this is > not that small a figure. I don't think the figure is that high. If it is, alot of those radios are very old (10-15 years) and for a car radio, that is close to the death age (especially when you consider alot of these end users do not take car of their equipment like we might). From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 10:21:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47320 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 18:21:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 18:21:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 18:21:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 18:20:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:17:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2089 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: AM stereo and the mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key lol... when I saw "mouse" in the title I thought you were talking about Radio Disney... that is, until I clicked on the message THEN saw your name in it... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > Just so it's known, I'm not giving up on AM stereo, and never will. > I'm just feeling low about where things are going on the AM band. > Yes, there will be C-QUAM stations for some time- Perhaps as long as > the next 3-5 years, until they're either forced to go IBOC or be > squeezed off the band entirely, with IBOC's wideband interference. > > It also effectively means the end of the era of Part 15 (very low > power) broadcasting, once the band becomes too unusable. > > I salute those stations who will continue broadcasting in C-QUAM for > as long as they possibly can, and I pray to God they NEVER give up > the fight. > > But for now, IBOC is inevitable. This is very bitter cheese to me, so > pardon me if I have difficulty with it. > > NAB is pushing for nighttime IBOC. The radios will be available soon. > Many more stations are going IBOC. It's just inevitable, now. > > So where do we go from here? > > We should keep trying to get AMS equipment, try to encourage out-of- > band broadcasting (as long as it follows Part 15 guidelines, at the > very least- No interference to other services), and preserve the > knowledge and technology for the day a certain proprietary system > falls. > > We can't rely on Motorola or Sony or anyone else any more to keep C- > QUAM going. It's up to US to ensure AM stereo is not, and NEVER > forgotten. This is the new battle: to prevent the total obliteration > of AM stereo radio technology by preserving it for the next > generations, and the next battle- To reclaim the AM band from IBOC, > once IBOC runs its course. > > For now, enjoy the AM stereo we have now for as long as we can. It's > just a matter of time these stations will have to make a choice. > > To the future, and new battles. > > C-QUAM is not proprietary, and that's its saving grace. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From krichards@wor710.com Wed Feb 11 10:32:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61291 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 18:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 18:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 18:32:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 18:30:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:30:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4623 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Kevin: The WOR plant is not completely stereo yet, I cannot do this until such time we have Stereo completely in house. When we go stereo which we hope will be sometime this summer, I will then consider it for the Aux TX, if I can find the time to make it work. Just so you understand, the right channel in the WOR plant is currently used for DTMF tones which trigger the WOR Radio Network cues on the WOR radio network and the spot replacement on the WOR internet feed. We have to run these tones through the delay unit in each studio, so it is a major problem. We are also going through a rehab, so currently CR1, CR5, CR4, ST2 and Master now have stereo. When CR2 and CR3 (our main network control room) get new consoles to replace the classic PR&E System One boards, we will convert in house to sub-audible cuing for the network cues thereby freeing up the right channel for stereo audio. This project is in the works seriously now, but we are very busy, we have over six remotes this month alone! Visteon has been promoting the fact that their HD Radio does C-Quam. Ibiquity could care less about this for obvious reasons. Some of those who have turned on the HD are faced with some real mechanical problems at sunset. You either have to switch exciters or transmitters to go from C-Quam and then into HD and back twice each day. There is also the audio processing problem also, you need three distinct air chains or the ability to switch them in and out to make this work. Only a serious broadcaster with a good engineering staff is capable of this. It takes some effort. I personally have promoted this idesa to those engineers that have called me, and I think when WPHT in Philly converts to HD they may try this. The Harris DX50 is not very friendly to this nor is the 3DX50, unless they had the stereo card installed previously. The 3DX50 (think WSM main) does not have a C-Quam exciter internally, and despite the catalog, Harris has never sold an outboard C-Quam exciter with a DX series or 3DX series rig, they are not even on the price sheets. In WOR's case, our DX50 does not go into C-Quam when in HD bypass. With a Burk remote control, or other high tech remote control you can automate these functions daily so it is less of a pain. But it still takes some effort and determination if you know what I mean. What would really be nice is if Ibiquity's exciter would just default to C-Quam at night, that as far as I know is just a dream, unless you know how to write code in Linux and can get your hands on a Dexstar exciter. If nightime service is pushed a long way off then we may be able to see some movement in this respect. Looks like pretty soon for HD at night,as the NAB is pushing for it, hence more problems for C-Quam lovers. For those of you complaining about my "Podunkville" remark, I started myself in small town radio, and worked my ass off to get where I am now. My point was not to belittle anything about small town radio, just that the remarks from some of theses places are rediculous at times, and defy common business sense. If you come to NYC and sit it my shoes for a day or so, you get a better idea about all of this, and can see things from a very practical viewpoint. That is my point. Kerry...... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > C-Quam can exist today with HD Radio in the form of nightime service > > for those listeners with Visteon radios. > > If you truly believe that -- and so far you appear to be one of the > few who do -- then why isn't WOR transmitting C-Quam at night to > complement its daytime IBOC signal? Somebody has to put their money > where their mouth is and make an example -- especially in the #1 radio > market -- or else your idea will be ignored. > > Of course, any of us could _suggest_ such a scheme to the former > AM Stereo stations that are currently using/testing IBOC, but as you > have been keen to point out in the past, most of us here don't work > in radio, and we don't have the kind of connections you have, > particularly when it comes to iBiquity and IBOC stations. > > And do these stations that are switching to IBOC even _know_ that > Visteon's radios will have dual support for IBOC and AM Stereo? > Perhaps with your help, we could at least get it mentioned in > something like Radio World. I've seen numerous write-ups about IBOC > by you and Tom in various radio publications; perhaps next time, you > could spend at least a few words describing your plan of daytime IBOC > and nighttime C-Quam? From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Wed Feb 11 10:35:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66918 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 18:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 18:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 18:35:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 18:35:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:35:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4718 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.187.27 Subject: Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > As far as a HD walkman, it is about 2 years away, according to my > friends at Ibiquity, they see this occuring on the next generation > chipsets which will occur in the lab shortly. Which probably means 4 at the rate they go. > > The good news for HD is that more radios are coming out each month. > When someone like Bose makes a Wave HD radio which consumers like, > then the real proliferation will start. We have sold thousands of > these radios here at WOR. It's just a matter of time. > > On the broadcaster's end of things there is a lot of excitement about > HD Radio. Many AM stations are looking forward to the ability to > enter the digital marketplace, FM stations are anxious about the XM > and Sirius threat so they too are jumping on the HD bandwagon also. I know alot of AM stations (some small and some medium sized) which are waiting to see on the HD end. They are all looking for some relief, but AM has been burned by folly technology and broken promises over the past 25 years. If FM stations were serious about the XM and Sirius threats, you would hope they would address the real problem on the programming end first before shoving the same garbage down the digital pipe. > Those who complain here about the ruination of the AM band probably > have little or no experience with AM HD Radio. They have not heard it > or experienced the startling difference between HD and analog AM. > But they are very vocal here and love to bitch about it, this is > illogical. I have heard it, seen it in action and will still complain. > > Those who want to carry a torch for C-Quam, who cares? Do you think > anything will change? Very unlikely, millions of dollars are at > stake, and HD radio is on it's way to the consumer, maybe not as fast > as we would like, but it is on it's way. Here I agree. > I am not an expert in any of these fields, but I am an engineer in > the #1 radio market, so I have some minor modicum of experience in > these matters. I have to put this experience up to some of the crazy > replies seen here. Sometimes it's just plain nuts and lacks plain > common sense which most people have. I am also and engineer in market #1 (and 18) and while I do share you ideas that AM stereo is dying out, I do not share your enthusiasm for HD radio on AM. Alot of these people have legit fears that the system will do more to harm the band. My thoughts come from more than 5 years reading, asking, listening, observing on the topic. HD Radio for AM gets rid of the noise. True. HD Radio for AM is not FM like, nor is it CD like. Even with the NEW codec, the audio still sounds like MP3 quality. But its not the sound of the codec that is the most bothersome. It is what it does to the band. It is what it will do to the smaller stations next to the giants. You thought we had white noise before on AM.... get ready. > > How could anyone out in Podunkville, have any idea what is happening > in many major markets right now? Well, eventually HD has to make it to the Podunkville's of the world. > Others make crazy predictions about how many C-Quam radios there are > out there, believe me, if there were as many as some here claim, C- > Quam would not have failed. How about providing an accurate source > for this data? Prove this claim..... I agree 100% here. There are not as many as some would believe. This is why AMS is dying. This was one of the other balls the FCC dropped on AM. > It seems the new and better way to do this is HD Radio, that is the > tool and current technolgy I have to work with. That is your opinion and you have the right to it. I feel there should be a better way to go digital and incorporate those who hold licenses on AM stations. Right now, that way is band migration. Your information pipeline on AM will always be limited compared to FM. Quality wise, I can't see in the near future the offerings from HD AM coming close to even FM quality. Quality itself is a subjective term, but I do not think codec artifacts indicate quality. It would actually turn me off from AM vs some of the problems with analog AM today that I am willing to put up with IF the AM station IS PROGRAMMING SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO HEAR. AM HD probably will not open any new doors to any formats that are currently unrepresented. Why? Because no matter what you do to improve the delivery method, you're going to still have the same programming ideals. So what do you have that will bring back people into the radio fold? The offer of better quality on the same old stuff???? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 10:49:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89668 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 18:49:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 18:49:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 18:49:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 18:48:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:48:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1244 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > AM HD probably will not open any new doors to any formats that are > currently unrepresented. Why? Because no matter what you do to > improve the delivery method, you're going to still have the same > programming ideals. So what do you have that will bring back people > into the radio fold? The offer of better quality on the same old > stuff???? I think even Kerry and Tom can agree that in regard to its programming, WOR is not an ideal station upon which to demonstrate the supposed benefits of IBOC. Because, will Bob Grant or Michael Savage sound any better in 15 kHz digital than in 5 kHz analog? Heck no! (The network feed of Savage's show is extremely poor quality all by itself!) And do 99% of the listeners even _care_ for better sound or reception, when the programming will be exactly the same? No again! Maybe if some station like Radio Disney were trying IBOC in NYC, then it would be something worth writing home about, because in addition to providing contemporary stereo music with which to demonstrate IBOC's digital audio -- for better or worse -- it would also be a station that is trying to attract a younger fan base to the AM band -- in fact, _the_ youngest of any commercial radio format. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 11:00:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99557 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 19:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 19:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 19:00:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20040211190020.2809.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.119] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:00:20 PST Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:00:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.88 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC Walkmans and portables X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > Oh, nonsense. The technology not only esists, it's > been in use for > quite a long time. The COFDM technology has been in > use for nearly > two decades, both by the military and by hams, plus > D/A (digital-to- > analog) converters are a dime a dozen, and the codec > is just a matter > of software. Where are hams using COFDM? > So.... Why would IBOC portables be battery eaters? > It certainly has > NOTHING to do with being digital! In fact, power > consumption should > be negligeable. Digital cellphones don't eat > batteries. It would not be that way if Ibiquity weren't so closed mouth, and decided to ONLY use a proprietary codec. > If a MiniDisc recorder can last for many HOURS, on a > single AA > battery, including the occasional disc spinups and > spindowns and the > laser & magnet, you know a 30-minutes-on-4-AAAs DAB > receiver is > ridiculously power-hungry! The MD is good on batteries in play, in record it's FFFT! > It just doesn'tr make sense, except to the battery > companies. > $$$$$$ I use rechargeables. It's actually lazy designing. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 11:04:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55774 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 19:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 19:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 19:04:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 19:04:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:04:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 320 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Messages X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics FYI, Interestingly, January 2004 matched January 2003's record of the second highest number of messages posted here -- 939 messages, just shy of our all-time record of 1004 messages posted in December 2002. Also, the total number of messages posted since this group was created in October 2001 is now over 16,000. From krichards@wor710.com Wed Feb 11 11:08:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21392 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 19:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 19:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 19:08:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 19:08:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:08:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1420 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 I agree..WQEW would sound good in HD. Kerry... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > AM HD probably will not open any new doors to any formats that are > > currently unrepresented. Why? Because no matter what you do to > > improve the delivery method, you're going to still have the same > > programming ideals. So what do you have that will bring back people > > into the radio fold? The offer of better quality on the same old > > stuff???? > > I think even Kerry and Tom can agree that in regard to its > programming, WOR is not an ideal station upon which to demonstrate the > supposed benefits of IBOC. Because, will Bob Grant or Michael Savage > sound any better in 15 kHz digital than in 5 kHz analog? Heck no! > (The network feed of Savage's show is extremely poor quality all by > itself!) And do 99% of the listeners even _care_ for better sound or > reception, when the programming will be exactly the same? No again! > > Maybe if some station like Radio Disney were trying IBOC in NYC, then > it would be something worth writing home about, because in addition to > providing contemporary stereo music with which to demonstrate IBOC's > digital audio -- for better or worse -- it would also be a station > that is trying to attract a younger fan base to the AM band -- in > fact, _the_ youngest of any commercial radio format. From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 11:13:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80733 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 19:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 19:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 19:13:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 19:12:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:12:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4029A395.6050704@netzero.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 504 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: XM/Sirius terrestrial repeaters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 <> Alan, just out of curiosity, where do they generally install terrestrial repeaters for the satellite services?? On broadcast towers, or can they be found on buildings anywhere? Also, are they generally 'one repeater per city/market', or more along the lines of 'many spread out over a metro area'?? -tony/miami From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 11:14:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14179 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 19:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 19:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 19:14:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20040211191439.55229.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.119] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:14:39 PST Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:14:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > > Unless there is a specific compelling reason to > consider nighttime C- > Quam operation, I will not be able to get backing > from management on > the purchase of C-Quam equipment for WOR. Right > now, it is not > justifiable. > Tom Ray > WOR But, Tom, C-Quam is perfect for the upcoming political season. Politicians can then talk out of both sides of their mouths and use platform shift to their advantage! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 12:04:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2549 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 20:04:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 20:04:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 20:04:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 20:01:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:01:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 789 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: (AM only) Tube Tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I couldn't tell from the pic... does it have a narrow-to-wide toggle? It's certainly a good-looking tuner! If I'm reading the specs right, is it 18 kHz in wide mode? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > I just bought a restored to new Heathkit AJ-21 off of ebay. Here is a > web link to it. It is wideband and sounds great. > > http://www.heathkit-museum.com/hifi/aj-21.shtml > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." > wrote: > > I know Eico made an AM only tuner, and I also know of Fisher's AM- 80. > > > > Does anyone know of other AM-only tuners out there? And like the > > one's above, I'm thinking of something designed like a stereo > > component, not an old wooden radio with AM. From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Feb 11 14:09:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4380 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 22:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 22:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 22:09:22 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040211220445.ZRBS23539.fed1mtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:04:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:04:45 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4D004C4C-5CDE-11D8-89F3-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.243 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom: Is WOR in HD stereo? On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 10:08 AM, Tom Ray wrote: > > Unless there is a specific compelling reason to consider nighttime C- > Quam operation, I will not be able to get backing from management on > the purchase of C-Quam equipment for WOR.=A0 Right now, it is not > justifiable. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Wed Feb 11 14:22:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46605 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 22:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 22:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 22:22:40 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1BMMXKY002662 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 09:22:34 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 09:22:33 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Kerry Richards wrote: > As far as a HD walkman, it is about 2 years away, according to my > friends at Ibiquity, they see this occuring on the next generation > chipsets which will occur in the lab shortly. Why do listeners have to wait two years to get an IBOC walkman? What's the holdup? Some cellphones already have FM radios in Oz. Why isn't IBOC being promoted by the NAB and participating stations? Seems to me just another dogs breakfast like the stupid way the FCC introduced AM stereo. Ian Upper Kumbucter West From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 14:27:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94439 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 22:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 22:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 22:27:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20040211222743.40953.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.214] by web41206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:27:43 PST Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:27:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.39 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its probably because its winter in the northern hemisphere and brings everyone down ;-) Michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 14:32:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84383 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 22:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 22:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 22:32:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 22:31:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:31:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 672 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-AX15? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I currently have a Sony SRF-42 which I paid $40 for. How does the A100 compare for audio quality, sensitivity, and selectivity? Is it 150% ($60) better than the SRF-42? Also what are the AX51V or AX15 like? I don't care about FM or TV, just AM. I would like something that has good audio quality like the Sony SRF-42, but will make it easier for me to daytime-DX Disney 1110 out from under a strong local 1130. How does the A100 or AX15 rate? Also, what's a good pair of cheap headphones for < $10? I had a pair that came with my Sony D-NS921F CD player but they're giving up the ghost, and the earbuds that came with my Pogo RipFlash Plus are very uncomfortable. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 14:40:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40271 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 22:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 22:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 22:40:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20040211224029.77030.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.214] by web41209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:40:29 PST Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:40:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.42 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-AX15? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have the "100" but not the "42" The 100 is better than the 300 on FM also goes to 108mhz and its AM is about as good as the 300 or SR but not the rich tone however. I dont know how good the 42 however never seeing one in reality. The 300 would probably be your best bet as they are new and have a good tone and separates adjacent freqs well. Michael pianoplayer88key wrote: I currently have a Sony SRF-42 which I paid $40 for. How does the A100 compare for audio quality, sensitivity, and selectivity? Is it 150% ($60) better than the SRF-42? Also what are the AX51V or AX15 like? I don't care about FM or TV, just AM. I would like something that has good audio quality like the Sony SRF-42, but will make it easier for me to daytime-DX Disney 1110 out from under a strong local 1130. How does the A100 or AX15 rate? Also, what's a good pair of cheap headphones for < $10? I had a pair that came with my Sony D-NS921F CD player but they're giving up the ghost, and the earbuds that came with my Pogo RipFlash Plus are very uncomfortable. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Feb 11 14:45:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28409 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 22:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 22:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 22:45:13 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.196]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:53:02 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c3f0f0$7617e2c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20040211224029.77030.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:43:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-AX15? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The 15 and the 51 are quite narrow in bandwidth- The 15 is narrow enough to make detecting separation difficult. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Ross To: Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-AX15? From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Feb 11 15:02:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39076 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 23:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 23:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 23:02:23 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1BN2DYD024396 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:02:13 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1BN2DJT025223 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:02:13 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1BN2DIg025213 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:02:13 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <1AKS7NJ1>; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:02:13 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDAC0@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:02:12 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-A X15? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 AX15 is very average when it comes to audio quality (not particularly wide bandwidth - around 7khz) - however it is the cheapest new AMS radio available today. Not sure about the AX51V - Chris reported it may have slightly higher bandwidth. I believe the AX15 has good sensitivity and selectivity from the little I have used it so far. The SRF-A100 and SRF-A1 do not have *that* much of an improvement over the SRF-42 - they will definitely sound too bright on stations using pre-emphasis. It probably has a high end extending well up to 16khz. The SRF-42 has NRSC de-emphasis and sounds much more natural on most stations. I would recommend trying to source a few more SRF-42's for your kit - I'm trying to find some more myself at the moment. Build Quality - no comparison - the early 1980's Sony gear is all made in Japan and has the highest quality components. I'm still using the ST-JX220A tuners from the early 80's and there are many SRF-A1's and A100's still in use! Basically if you can afford an A100 / A1 grab it, otherwise an SRF-42 is an excellent cheaper substitute. It would be *great* if we could find an old warehouse somewhere with some old SRF-42 stock - it's a shame it was only made for the American market (lack of Japanese FM band), as I'm convinced it would be still in production in Japan right now instead of the substandard SRF-AX15. -----Original Message----- From: pianoplayer88key [mailto:pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 12 February 2004 8:32 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-AX15? I currently have a Sony SRF-42 which I paid $40 for. How does the A100 compare for audio quality, sensitivity, and selectivity? Is it 150% ($60) better than the SRF-42? Also what are the AX51V or AX15 like? I don't care about FM or TV, just AM. I would like something that has good audio quality like the Sony SRF-42, but will make it easier for me to daytime-DX Disney 1110 out from under a strong local 1130. How does the A100 or AX15 rate? Also, what's a good pair of cheap headphones for < $10? I had a pair that came with my Sony D-NS921F CD player but they're giving up the ghost, and the earbuds that came with my Pogo RipFlash Plus are very uncomfortable. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Feb 11 15:25:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58396 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 23:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 23:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 23:25:18 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.15c.2ced05fc (3972) for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:24:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <15c.2ced05fc.2d5c13a7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:24:23 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.4 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/11/04 1:39:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 evergreenterrace@buzzle.com writes: > >I am not an expert in any of these fields, but I am an engineer in=20 > >the #1 radio market, so I have some minor modicum of experience in=20 > >these matters. I have to put this experience up to some of the=20 > crazy=20 > >replies seen here. Sometimes it's just plain nuts and lacks plain=20 > >common sense which most people have. >=20 > I am also and engineer in market #1 (and 18) and while I do share=20 > you ideas that AM stereo is dying out, I do not share your=20 > enthusiasm for HD radio on AM. Alot of these people have legit=20 > fears that the system will do more to harm the band. My thoughts=20 > come from more than 5 years reading, asking, listening, observing on=20 > the topic. >=20 > HD Radio for AM gets rid of the noise. True. HD Radio for AM is=20 > not FM like, nor is it CD like. Even with the NEW codec, the audio=20 > still sounds like MP3 quality. But its not the sound of the codec=20 > that is the most bothersome. It is what it does to the band. It is=20 > what it will do to the smaller stations next to the giants. >=20 > You thought we had white noise before on AM.... get ready. >=20 > > >=20 Question for those that have had or currently have their hands on the HD=20 receivers. This white noise..or hash as it is often referred to that variou= s=20 people have reported hearing on either side of an HD station with todays ty= pe of=20 radios....does one still hear this noise with the new radios on either side= of=20 the HD station or underneath the analog audio? > AM HD probably will not open any new doors to any formats that are=20 > currently unrepresented. Why? Because no matter what you do to=20 > improve the delivery method, you're going to still have the same=20 > programming ideals. So what do you have that will bring back people=20 > into the radio fold? The offer of better quality on the same old=20 > stuff???? >=20 Cost of operation is currently and will always be bottom line.....so with=20 that in mind,dont look for program changes from mass numbers of stations an= ytime=20 soon. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 16:13:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96459 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 00:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 00:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 00:13:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 00:13:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:13:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 553 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: Re: AM stereo and the mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > lol... when I saw "mouse" in the title I thought you were talking > about Radio Disney... that is, until I clicked on the message THEN saw > your name in it... If I was referring to Disney, I would have referred to "the Mouse", with a capital M, which is the common reference to Disney. But now that you mention it, it will be "interesting" with Comcast's attempt to buy Disney. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Just a mouse, nothing important enough to be capitalized.) From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Wed Feb 11 16:25:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41763 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 00:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 00:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 00:25:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 00:25:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:25:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 254 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > I agree..WQEW would sound good in HD. > > Kerry... WQEW would also be a good test because it could be a potential worse case scenerio with WLIM (1580) and WFTU (1570). From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Wed Feb 11 16:30:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60449 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 00:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 00:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 00:30:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 00:29:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:29:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15c.2ced05fc.2d5c13a7@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 626 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > Cost of operation is currently and will always be bottom line.....so with > that in mind,dont look for program changes from mass numbers of stations anytime > soon. Then operators should not look for any returns from HD. People who aren't listening aren't going to start listening just because the digital buzzword is thrown around. Radio, like it did in the 1950's, will have no choice but to reinvent itself. 300 song playlists and narrowcasting ain't gonna cut it. If it continues to operate in the manner it is now... we will have a MAJOR problem. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 16:30:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3242 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 00:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 00:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 00:30:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 00:30:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:30:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 661 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: AM stereo and the mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > lol... when I saw "mouse" in the title I thought you were talking > > about Radio Disney... that is, until I clicked on the message THEN > saw > > your name in it... > > If I was referring to Disney, I would have referred to "the Mouse", > with a capital M, which is the common reference to Disney. But now > that you mention it, it will be "interesting" with Comcast's attempt > to buy Disney. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Just a mouse, nothing important enough to be capitalized.) MEOW! From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 16:34:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89282 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 00:34:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 00:34:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 00:34:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 00:34:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:34:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDAC0@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2599 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-A X15? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I meant the A300 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > AX15 is very average when it comes to audio quality (not particularly wide > bandwidth - around 7khz) - however it is the cheapest new AMS radio > available today. Not sure about the AX51V - Chris reported it may have > slightly higher bandwidth. > > I believe the AX15 has good sensitivity and selectivity from the little I > have used it so far. > > The SRF-A100 and SRF-A1 do not have *that* much of an improvement over the > SRF-42 - they will definitely sound too bright on stations using > pre-emphasis. It probably has a high end extending well up to 16khz. > > The SRF-42 has NRSC de-emphasis and sounds much more natural on most > stations. I would recommend trying to source a few more SRF-42's for your > kit - I'm trying to find some more myself at the moment. > > Build Quality - no comparison - the early 1980's Sony gear is all made in > Japan and has the highest quality components. I'm still using the ST-JX220A > tuners from the early 80's and there are many SRF-A1's and A100's still in > use! > > Basically if you can afford an A100 / A1 grab it, otherwise an SRF-42 is an > excellent cheaper substitute. It would be *great* if we could find an old > warehouse somewhere with some old SRF-42 stock - it's a shame it was only > made for the American market (lack of Japanese FM band), as I'm convinced it > would be still in production in Japan right now instead of the substandard > SRF-AX15. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pianoplayer88key [mailto:pianoplayer88key@y...] > Sent: Thursday, 12 February 2004 8:32 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or > SRF-AX15? > > > I currently have a Sony SRF-42 which I paid $40 for. How does the > A100 compare for audio quality, sensitivity, and selectivity? Is it > 150% ($60) better than the SRF-42? Also what are the AX51V or AX15 > like? I don't care about FM or TV, just AM. I would like something > that has good audio quality like the Sony SRF-42, but will make it > easier for me to daytime-DX Disney 1110 out from under a strong local > 1130. How does the A100 or AX15 rate? > > Also, what's a good pair of cheap headphones for < $10? I had a pair > that came with my Sony D-NS921F CD player but they're giving up the > ghost, and the earbuds that came with my Pogo RipFlash Plus are very > uncomfortable. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 16:36:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32873 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 00:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 00:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 00:36:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 00:36:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:36:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040211224029.77030.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2004 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-AX15? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key yea I meant 300. :) (even though I said 100) ;) How would you say the 300 compares with the SR, or with an average FM radio or something else you could compare it to? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > I have the "100" but not the "42" The 100 is better than the 300 on FM also goes to 108mhz and its AM is about as good as the 300 or SR but not the rich tone however. > I dont know how good the 42 however never seeing one in reality. > The 300 would probably be your best bet as they are new and have a good tone and separates adjacent freqs well. > > Michael > > pianoplayer88key wrote: > I currently have a Sony SRF-42 which I paid $40 for. How does the > A100 compare for audio quality, sensitivity, and selectivity? Is it > 150% ($60) better than the SRF-42? Also what are the AX51V or AX15 > like? I don't care about FM or TV, just AM. I would like something > that has good audio quality like the Sony SRF-42, but will make it > easier for me to daytime-DX Disney 1110 out from under a strong local > 1130. How does the A100 or AX15 rate? > > Also, what's a good pair of cheap headphones for < $10? I had a pair > that came with my Sony D-NS921F CD player but they're giving up the > ghost, and the earbuds that came with my Pogo RipFlash Plus are very > uncomfortable. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > Michael&Ross > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 16:47:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93140 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 00:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 00:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 00:47:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20040212004718.89893.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.214] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:47:18 PST Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:47:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.38 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-AX15? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 300 is as good as the superadio for what you can "drag in" (It separates really well so you should get 1110 heard from 1130 especially if you turn the radio around to null it but the 300 doesnt get wideband sound like the SR but it does get AM$ sound. FM isnt why I got a 300 it goes to 92Mhz only and isnt that great and I get images on the 77-88 part of our local strong FMers around 93-98Mhz area. You should try one of these.(the only *better radio I have on AM MW is the yacht boy 400PE but not AM$). Michael pianoplayer88key wrote: yea I meant 300. :) (even though I said 100) ;) How would you say the 300 compares with the SR, or with an average FM radio or something else you could compare it to? Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 16:47:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83918 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 00:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 00:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 00:47:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 00:47:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:47:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040211190020.2809.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1891 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC Walkmans and portables X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > Oh, nonsense. The technology not only esists, it's > > been in use for > > quite a long time. The COFDM technology has been in > > use for nearly > > two decades, both by the military and by hams, plus > > D/A (digital-to- > > analog) converters are a dime a dozen, and the codec > > is just a matter > > of software. > > Where are hams using COFDM? I know that hams have been using various forms of spread-spectrum technology, including military-grade (and I have heard SAC playing around with COFDM-like modes in the 8MHz HF bands). If I am wrong about hams using COFDM/OFDM in HF and VHF bands, then I'm wrong, and I'll accept that without further comment. > > So.... Why would IBOC portables be battery eaters? > > It certainly has > > NOTHING to do with being digital! In fact, power > > consumption should > > be negligeable. Digital cellphones don't eat > > batteries. > > > It would not be that way if Ibiquity weren't so closed > mouth, and decided to ONLY use a proprietary codec. Of which remains proprietary until the patents expire. By then, they'll have their money, and drop IBOC when there is no more extortion money to be had from their monopoly. > > If a MiniDisc recorder can last for many HOURS, on a > > single AA > > battery, including the occasional disc spinups and > > spindowns and the > > laser & magnet, you know a 30-minutes-on-4-AAAs DAB > > receiver is > > ridiculously power-hungry! > > The MD is good on batteries in play, in record it's > FFFT! I get a good 2-3 hours recorning time on mine. :) > > It just doesn'tr make sense, except to the battery > > companies. > > > $$$$$$ > > I use rechargeables. It's actually lazy designing. I also usde rechargeables, and I agree. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Feb 11 16:48:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70590 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 00:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 00:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 00:48:22 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.69.412b72b5 (3972) for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:47:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <69.412b72b5.2d5c2726@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:47:34 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.11 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/11/04 1:48:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 tomray@wor710.com writes: > >perhaps next time, you=20 > >could spend at least a few words describing your plan of daytime=20 > IBOC=20 > >and nighttime C-Quam? >=20 >=20 > Unless there is a specific compelling reason to consider nighttime C- > Quam operation, I will not be able to get backing from management on=20 > the purchase of C-Quam equipment for WOR. Right now, it is not=20 > justifiable. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR >=20 Damn!..this is like a broken record. [Tom dont break your keyboard just=20 yet...haha!] Folks....the demand for AM stereo is what has to be considered here.In orde= r=20 for management to even think about giving the rubber stamp of approval for= =20 money to be spent on this...one has to think about how the station has been= =20 operating recently and what sort of return this will bring. I could for example go mono here and it would not effect ratings or profit= =20 [been there and tryed it..so I know what I'm talking about here.]=20 A few questions to ask yourselves....... WOR has been operating in mono for how many years? Ratings are? Revenue is? Percentage of population in NYC and surrounding metro is equiped with AM=20 stereo receivers verses those with plain mono crappy radios? Percentage that would even notice that WOR went stereo? Do you folks honestly think that stereo operation is going to make any=20 difference other than the several thousand dollars it would take to make th= e=20 conversion? Probably not to most people in NYC. With a group here of over 200 people ,thats not even a drop in the bucket f= or=20 management to even jump for joy over spending money on C-Quam on an old=20 transmitter while in the middle of a big digital project and new transmitte= r plant. Not saying that no one here matters....everyone matters,but again the botto= m=20 line in business is what makes a business operate whether it be broadcastin= g=20 or ditch diggers of America. The few reasons why when we purchased a new transmitter...with stereo was=20 ...one, to keep the present standard of operation running until it becomes= =20 feasible and the demand for HD radio becomes high.[analog stereo operation = has been=20 on going here for almost 15 years] Two,in my market areas of Norfolk/Virgin= ia=20 Beach - Elizabeth City/Nags Head...I have no way of knowing how many AM=20 stereo receivers exist....whether its one or 1000...I dont know. But IF I c= an offer=20 a higher than typical analog sound..so be it....and thats what we will do=20 until that day comes for the demand for HD here in my area. Folks,you'll find this to be the case at most stations now...[most of us ar= e=20 in a wait and see mode for the most part.] In the meantime..stop harping Tom and Kerry...they have bigger fish to fry = at=20 the "B.B.C." of NYC. If you folks want to see a station "upgrade" its sound,those of us that are= =20 technically able to do so need to help those stations looking to to make th= at=20 analog upgrade...stations like our fellow Richard in Ark. is looking to tak= e by=20 the reins. There is a lot to learn yet about digital radio...and all of this negati vity,the sky is falling chicken little hoopla wont get anyone anywhere.I'm = not big=20 on this digital buzz but a closed mind is a closed door to new information. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) __________________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Feb 11 16:54:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46323 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 00:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 00:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 00:54:56 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.1cd.19511606 (3972) for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:54:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1cd.19511606.2d5c28cc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:54:36 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.6 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The *international* AM Stereo scene X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/11/04 1:50:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 tomray@wor710.com writes: > Eureka is proving not particularly viable due to issues with=20 > L-band propagation,=20 Ask anyone in Canade about Eureka.Its the biggest disapointment to come=20 along. Reception wise...coverage sucks when its compared to the analog stat= ions. All say the same thing about the=20 >=20 > IBOC demo here....sounds good, works well, and makes much more sense=20 > to use existing allocations than to reinvent the wheel in their=20 > frequency plans. >=20 This is good for many countries as not everyone has a band of unused=20 frequencies to just hand out.If all can be made to work well without compro= mising=20 curent analog operations...then so be it. Welcome to the real changing world. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 16:57:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15100 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 00:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 00:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 00:57:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 00:57:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:57:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 651 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > Seems to me just another dogs breakfast like the stupid way the FCC > introduced AM stereo. I have been getting this impression, too. If anything, it looks more like the usual favors and obligations (ie: contracts) that will keep IBOC going, but nothing else to sdupport it. This means there WILL be radios, but only a minimal effort, and there WILL be stations, but again, only a minimal effort. Frankly, IBOC is an expensive proposition for stations with limited budgets- Most just want to "wait and see" before they invest in such an expenditure. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Feb 11 17:08:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28491 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 01:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 01:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 01:08:13 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.103.3f0dc006 (3972) for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:07:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <103.3f0dc006.2d5c2be8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:07:52 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.4 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/11/04 1:54:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 krichards@wor710.com writes: > When CR2 and CR3 (our main network control room) get new consoles to=20 > replace the classic PR&E System One boards, we will convert in house=20 > to sub-audible cuing for the network cues thereby freeing up the=20 > right channel for stereo audio. This project is in the works=20 > seriously now, but we are very busy, we have over six remotes this=20 > month alone! >=20 Good deal! That should kick things up a notch by having those sub-audible=20 tones for automation. One thing though I havent quite figured out though. W= ith=20 the Starguide receivers...what is the cost difference for networks between= =20 sending sub audibles to doing away with those tones and sending a digital c= ode for=20 a relay closure?Audio cards have their own ports for obtaining those relays= =20 closures for local break cues and ID's.....seems to only make logical sense= from=20 a local affiliate view....but is it economically feasable for the networks? That would clean up a ton of talk and music networks if that were feasable= . Gota say this much,the WOR Radio Network is currently one of the brightest= =20 and cleanest sounding networks in operation that I've heard in a while. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Feb 11 17:17:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21338 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 01:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 01:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 01:17:43 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.13.) id r.cd.4fd4ecc (3972) for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:16:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:16:35 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.3 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/11/04 2:04:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > Because, will Bob Grant or Michael Savage=20 > sound any better in 15 kHz digital than in 5 kHz analog?&nbsp; Heck n= o!& > nbsp;=20 > (The network feed of Savage's show is extremely poor quality all by=20 > itself!)&nbsp; And do 99% of the listeners even _care_ for better sou= nd or=20 > reception, when the programming will be exactly the same?&nbsp; No ag= ain! >=20 TRN [Talk Radio Network] recently...like several years ago made an upgrade = in=20 the delivery of their digital feed on the Starguide system....and it did ma= ke=20 a huge difference.There are still some artifacts in the audio...just like=20 you'll find on many networks in operation now.Some networks are doing whate= ver=20 they can do to keep on the air ...and others are doing quite well. The more= =20 better off a network is...9 times out of ten,the better the sound.The highe= r the=20 audio quality,the higher the monthly fee that is paid to satellite provider= s=20 [ABC,CCSS,NPR to name a few]&nbsp; that uplink these networks. Again,the bottom line comes into play here. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 17:25:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30468 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 01:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 01:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 01:25:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 01:24:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:24:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 822 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-AX15? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 My personal opinions: The SRF-A100 in wide is BAR NONE, the best....In second place, I'd say the SRF-42....SRF-AX15 a distant third, and the 51V in 4th place...The A100 and 42 fare better on the high and low frequency end, while the two Japanese radios lack their share of treble and bass (as I've found to be the case with most Japanese radios). Some people prefer the AMAX-ness of the 42, but I like the brighter sound of the A100. Side note, not sure if anyone has mentioned this, as I just notice on the website that there have been an insane volume of posts today, and I'm probably not gonna go through every one of them..The AX51V has a smaller than 1/8 jack for the headphone, so you're forced to use the earbuds you get with the radio, or you'd need to go to the 'Shack to get an adapter..... --tony From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Feb 11 17:34:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45499 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 01:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 01:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.125) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 01:34:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:24:17 -0800 Received: from 172.146.68.250 by bay7-dav21.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:24:17 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <12e.3b609b71.2d5b3494@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:17:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2004 01:24:17.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[EEEF3DE0:01C3F106] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.125 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.146.68.250] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hunting Down Florida Pirates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: >Hehehe...a little to harsh you may say?...Probably so,but one thing that really bugs me is someone that decides that they are going to do their own thing regardless of the law and the rights and needs of others. Yea, but it does worry me that they might come down on us LEGAL Part 15s as "Pirates". Well nobody can bitch about there not being an AM Stereo signal in the number 21 Tampa-St. Pete radio market. The part 15 with "AM Stereo that isn't afraid of the dark" is on the air! It sounds great along US 301 and CR 579! So, if you are driving along listening to 1620 and hear Celtic music in KAHN ISB Stereo, you know who it is! Now to get my LOFER beacon on the air.... > >Possum,sounds like your knee deep down there. Missing SC yet? lol I miss the mountains, but I don't miss the rotten economy. I sure as hell don't miss the HIGH TAXES in SC! I am gonna stay in Tampa as long as I can make good money here. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 17:44:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82471 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 01:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 01:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 01:44:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 01:44:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:44:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040211190020.2809.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 571 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.10 Subject: Re: IBOC Walkmans and portables X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The MD is good on batteries in play, in record it's FFFT! This is true. I used to use a Sony MiniDisc Walkman to record radio airchecks (AM, FM, and shortwave), but went back to cassettes. Sony's proprietary AC adapter for the MiniDisc recorder generates RFI like you wouldn't believe (they even mention that you shouldn't use it for recording from the radio), and when running on batteries, the MD recorder drains them down very quickly. The owner's manual estimates a battery life of 8 hours when recording, but I have yet to get even close to that much. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 17:44:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90935 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 01:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 01:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 01:44:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 01:44:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:44:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1506 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > > Cost of operation is currently and will always be bottom > line.....so with > > that in mind,dont look for program changes from mass numbers of > stations anytime > > soon. > > Then operators should not look for any returns from HD. People who > aren't listening aren't going to start listening just because the > digital buzzword is thrown around. It's the cost-to-benefit factor. If it's really no better to have HD than ordinary analog (except that having an HD receiver is the only way to get past the hash one hears in analog AM), the average consumer will see no point in the investment an HD receiver would be. This is quite unlike HDTV, since there is an obvious improvement in quality, not to mention true wide screen TV, but....interest in HDTV has been generally lackluster for the most obvious problem: It's still the same crap, only in HD. You know the old saying: "garbage In, Garbage Out." > Radio, like it did in the 1950's, will have no choice but to reinvent > itself. 300 song playlists and narrowcasting ain't gonna cut it. If > it continues to operate in the manner it is now... we will have a > MAJOR problem. Absolutely correct. And if you want to solve the music issue, solve the royalty issue first, so it can be affordable once again to have live DJs with real local music programming. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 17:45:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63243 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 01:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 01:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 01:45:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 01:45:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:45:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 121 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: Re: AM stereo and the mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > MEOW! O.o Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Feb 11 17:46:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49978 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 01:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 01:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.115) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 01:46:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:45:14 -0800 Received: from 172.146.68.250 by bay7-dav11.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:45:14 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <60.3ab91f51.2d5af83f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:38:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2004 01:45:14.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBCE83D0:01C3F109] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.115 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.146.68.250] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: >With fresh 4-400's and properly adjusted processing...That RCA will sound almost like a million bucks.[grin] Very true, but where can ya find a set of Eimac 4-400Cs? The imports are junk. I must have got the lest set of Eimacs from Richards. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 17:51:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96403 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 01:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 01:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 01:51:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 01:51:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:51:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 398 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.10 Subject: Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I agree..WQEW would sound good in HD. But not as good as they sounded in AM Stereo. The day before Radio Disney took over, they chucked out WQEW's custom Hnat Hindes audio processing, installed a generic Optimod (probably a 9200), and turned off the C-Quam. So, unfortuantely, WQEW's last day as "The Home of American Popular Standards" in December 1998 was heard in thrilling monaural. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 17:56:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13467 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 01:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 01:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 01:56:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 01:55:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:55:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040211191439.55229.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 316 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.10 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > But, Tom, C-Quam is perfect for the upcoming political > season. Politicians can then talk out of both sides of > their mouths and use platform shift to their > advantage! Better yet, WOR could hook up their microphones out-of-phase, so if you don't want to listen to them, you can just hit the "mono" button. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Wed Feb 11 17:56:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14352 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 01:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 01:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 01:56:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 01:55:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:55:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDAC0@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 643 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-A X15? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > The SRF-42 has NRSC de-emphasis and sounds much more natural on most > stations. I would recommend trying to source a few more SRF-42's for your > kit - I'm trying to find some more myself at the moment. My SRF-42 is great. After the mod for the FM (so it doesn't blend the highs) it's fantastic. Great help when doing AM airchains in high RF fields since it doesn't overload. One problem with the SRF-42 is that they are a crapshoot. Never have I seen a radio vary from unit to unit in sensitivity. I had 4 before I got one that worked right. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Wed Feb 11 17:56:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11857 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 01:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 01:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 01:56:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 01:56:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:56:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 557 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I agree..WQEW would sound good in HD. > > But not as good as they sounded in AM Stereo. The day before Radio > Disney took over, they chucked out WQEW's custom Hnat Hindes audio > processing, installed a generic Optimod (probably a 9200), and turned > off the C-Quam. So, unfortuantely, WQEW's last day as "The Home of > American Popular Standards" in December 1998 was heard in thrilling > monaural. I'm told the Hnat Hindes stuff is still hooked up in an aux chain. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 17:59:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32178 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 01:59:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 01:59:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 01:59:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 01:58:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:58:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <69.412b72b5.2d5c2726@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1316 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.165 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > The few reasons why when we purchased a new transmitter...with stereo was > ...one, to keep the present standard of operation running until it becomes > feasible and the demand for HD radio becomes high.[analog stereo operation has been > on going here for almost 15 years] Two,in my market areas of Norfolk/Virginia > Beach - Elizabeth City/Nags Head...I have no way of knowing how many AM > stereo receivers exist....whether its one or 1000...I dont know. But IF I can offer > a higher than typical analog sound..so be it....and thats what we will do > until that day comes for the demand for HD here in my area. It really is a labor of love at this point, and it's one that should always be encouraged. And the ratings places have never asked if any listeners listened to AMS, so yes, there is no way of accurately knowing; just guesstimates. I has to pass the cost/benefit analysis to go HD; otherwise, thanks to C-QUAAM's transparency, it's useful for those who do have receivers, and still provide rich, clear sound to the millions of non- stereo AM radios out there, without any degrade in quality. The ones with mono radios would hardly know the difference, but it would still be very listenable to them! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 17:59:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67288 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 01:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 01:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 01:59:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 01:58:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:58:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D004C4C-5CDE-11D8-89F3-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 277 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.10 Subject: Re: WOR in Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Tom: > > Is WOR in HD stereo? You could call them a "pilot tone only" station. WOR is transmitting the "Enhanced" mode IBOC signal, which will be indicated as "Stereo" on an IBOC receiver... but until they upgrade their studio equipment, WOR's audio is strictly mono. From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Feb 11 18:04:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46814 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 02:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 02:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 02:04:05 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.6f.41a4d21b (3972) for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:03:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6f.41a4d21b.2d5c38f5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:03:33 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.1 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hunting Down Florida Pirates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/11/04 8:39:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 possumhunter@netzero.net writes: > Yea, but it does worry me that they might come down on us LEGAL Part 15s = as > "Pirates". >=20 > Well nobody can bitch about there not being an AM Stereo signal in the > number 21 Tampa-St. Pete radio market. The part 15 with "AM Stereo that > isn't afraid of the dark" is on the air! It sounds great along US 301 and= CR > 579! So, if you are driving along listening to 1620 and hear Celtic music= in > KAHN ISB Stereo, you know who it is! Well as long as you can prove that your operating totally within the spirit= =20 of part 15...I dont see where anything could happen other than getting hass= led=20 a bit. >=20 > Now to get my LOFER beacon on the air.... >=20 What frequency? When and if one of these days I get some real-estate to work with....many=20 projects will go on the air.Right now putting up a low key local coverage 2= meter=20 repeater,440 link and 10 meter remote base is quite a job on small city lot= s. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Feb 11 18:20:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82458 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 02:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 02:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 02:19:59 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040212021958.FCMU5698.fed1mtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:19:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:20:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.123 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-AX15? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Koss KSC-55 headphones were about $10 when I bought them. They're great. On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 02:31 PM, pianoplayer88key wrote: > Also, what's a good pair of cheap headphones for < $10?=A0 I had a pair > that came with my Sony D-NS921F CD player but they're giving up the > ghost, and the earbuds that came with my Pogo RipFlash Plus are very > uncomfortable. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aalso@netzero.com Wed Feb 11 18:25:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64891 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 02:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 02:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 02:25:44 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([65.80.194.11]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040212022543.FCMS1703.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:25:43 -0500 Message-ID: <402AE44A.9020209@netzero.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:26:18 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.67 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: XM/Sirius terrestrial repeaters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr Message: 4 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:12:02 -0000 From: "Anthony" Subject: XM/Sirius terrestrial repeaters Alan, just out of curiosity, where do they generally install terrestrial repeaters for the satellite services?? On broadcast towers, or can they be found on buildings anywhere? Also, are they generally 'one repeater per city/market', or more along the lines of 'many spread out over a metro area'?? The typical installation is on a rooftop, and it depends on the metro area as to how many get installed. Their are some on towers. These critters are operating just above 2 gigs so a high gain antenna isn't very big. Alan From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Feb 11 18:25:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83732 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 02:25:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 02:25:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 02:25:46 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.d9.327941e (3972) for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:25:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:25:20 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.144.208 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/11/04 8:54:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 possumhunter@netzero.net writes: > Very true, but where can ya find a set of Eimac 4-400Cs? The imports are > junk. I must have got the lest set of Eimacs from Richards. >=20 I used the last of the best 4-400's in an RCA operating on 970khz several=20 years ago.=20 I agree...the new ones are junk..within a 4 to 9 month period,the changes i= n=20 the tubes are evident. So much for quality American made products eh?The elcheapo foreign stuff of= =20 lesser quality is killing us. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ------------ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------ Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aalso@netzero.com Wed Feb 11 18:38:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52332 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 02:38:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 02:38:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 02:38:05 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([65.80.194.11]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040212023803.OVWV1733.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:38:03 -0500 Message-ID: <402AE72E.8000305@netzero.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:38:38 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.68 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-AX15? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr If your trying to pull 1110 out from under 1130, The Higher bandwidth radio will make it harder. When dealing with second adjacents when you have a high bandwidth radio you will receive more from the offending station than with a narrow band radio. If the two stations are at odd angles to each other you could use a loop antenna to try to isolate the one you want. or possibly a two loop system to null the one you don't want. For your headphones look at MCM electronics. Alan Message: 10 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:31:56 -0000 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-AX15? I currently have a Sony SRF-42 which I paid $40 for. How does the A100 compare for audio quality, sensitivity, and selectivity? Is it 150% ($60) better than the SRF-42? Also what are the AX51V or AX15 like? I don't care about FM or TV, just AM. I would like something that has good audio quality like the Sony SRF-42, but will make it easier for me to daytime-DX Disney 1110 out from under a strong local 1130. How does the A100 or AX15 rate? Also, what's a good pair of cheap headphones for < $10? I had a pair that came with my Sony D-NS921F CD player but they're giving up the ghost, and the earbuds that came with my Pogo RipFlash Plus are very uncomfortable. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 18:44:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95993 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 02:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 02:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 02:44:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20040212024448.58508.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.86] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:44:48 PST Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:44:48 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo and the mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > (Just a mouse, nothing important enough to be > capitalized.) > MEOW! FFFFFT !!! [ from Miss Julia the Kitty] ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 18:47:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83007 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 02:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 02:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 02:47:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20040212024715.58955.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.86] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:47:15 PST Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:47:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC Walkmans and portables X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > > Oh, nonsense. The technology not only esists, > it's > > > been in use for > > > quite a long time. The COFDM technology has > been in > > > use for nearly > > > two decades, both by the military and by hams, > plus > > > D/A (digital-to- > > > analog) converters are a dime a dozen, and the > codec > > > is just a matter > > > of software. > > > > Where are hams using COFDM? > > I know that hams have been using various forms of > spread-spectrum > technology, including military-grade (and I have > heard SAC playing > around with COFDM-like modes in the 8MHz HF bands). > > If I am wrong about hams using COFDM/OFDM in HF and > VHF bands, then > I'm wrong, and I'll accept that without further > comment. Not type accepted yet for use. > I get a good 2-3 hours recorning time on mine. :) That's what I mean. That's FFFT compared to lots of hours on play. BTW Eveready now as 2300 ma AA rechargeables.... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From dav259@csiro.au Wed Feb 11 18:50:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90112 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 02:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 02:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 02:50:37 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1C2oXKY014398 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:50:34 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:50:33 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <20040212024448.58508.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo and the mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > (Just a mouse, nothing important enough to be > > capitalized.) > > > MEOW! > > > FFFFFT !!! [ from Miss Julia the Kitty] PISHHHHHH ... [ from Dude Dermie the cat ] btw ... where's Scott??? From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 18:52:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94174 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 02:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 02:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 02:52:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20040212025220.41940.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.86] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:52:20 PST Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:52:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > >With fresh 4-400's and properly adjusted > processing...That RCA will sound > almost like a million bucks.[grin] > > Very true, but where can ya find a set of Eimac > 4-400Cs? The imports are > junk. I must have got the lest set of Eimacs from > Richards. The Amperex tubes are fine. We moved the modulator tubes to RF and put new audio tubes in the RCA. WHOOOA Nelly! Durn thing wants to put out WAY more than it should now. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From tomray@wor710.com Wed Feb 11 19:11:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80579 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 03:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 03:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 03:11:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 03:11:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:11:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 536 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I think even Kerry and Tom can agree that in regard to its > programming, WOR is not an ideal station upon which to demonstrate the > supposed benefits of IBOC. You are correct on the Savage feed, but you are completely wrong regarding the IBOC demonstrations. While a music station may have more impact, you would be surprised at the reactions of people who experience WOR with decent frequency response as opposed to typical AM. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Feb 11 19:11:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82069 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 03:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 03:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 03:11:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 03:11:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:11:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 437 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Messages X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > FYI, > > Interestingly, January 2004 matched January 2003's record of the > second highest number of messages posted here -- 939 messages, just > shy of our all-time record of 1004 messages posted in December 2002. > > Also, the total number of messages posted since this group was created > in October 2001 is now over 16,000. That's very cool! TR From johnmcd348@verizon.net Wed Feb 11 19:11:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: johnmcd348@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44268 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 03:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 03:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out004.verizon.net) (206.46.170.142) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 03:11:57 -0000 Received: from home ([4.11.56.198]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040212030801.UNCV8186.out004.verizon.net@home> for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:08:01 -0600 Message-ID: <008401c3f115$60076350$c6380b04@home> To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:07:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [4.11.56.198] at Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:07:59 -0600 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.46.170.142 From: "John T McDougald" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo and the mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157768551 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnmcd348 Hate to break it to you but Mickey ain't no Mouse. He's a rat. Have you ever seen a mouse that big? I grew up in central Florida and know all about the land of the radical rat. Luckily I live in Polk county just outside of his reach.. John T McD. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 7:13 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo and the mouse > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > lol... when I saw "mouse" in the title I thought you were talking > > about Radio Disney... that is, until I clicked on the message THEN > saw > > your name in it... > > If I was referring to Disney, I would have referred to "the Mouse", > with a capital M, which is the common reference to Disney. But now > that you mention it, it will be "interesting" with Comcast's attempt > to buy Disney. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Just a mouse, nothing important enough to be capitalized.) > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From tomray@wor710.com Wed Feb 11 19:13:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46658 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 03:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 03:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 03:13:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 03:13:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:13:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040211191439.55229.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 380 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > > But, Tom, C-Quam is perfect for the upcoming political > season. Politicians can then talk out of both sides of > their mouths and use platform shift to their > advantage! > > BA-DUM---CHING! We'll install the optional shovel to clear your speakers when they get done! TR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Feb 11 19:16:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53410 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 03:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 03:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 03:16:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 03:16:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:16:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D004C4C-5CDE-11D8-89F3-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 683 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Tom: > > Is WOR in HD stereo? > > Not yet. The studios are mono....we're working towards stereo for the summer. We need to complete the renovation of Studio 2, then tackle studio 3.....then modify the network cueing structure before we can put stereo on the air. The transmitter site is wired for stereo.....and the basic infrastructure for stereo exists at WOR. As we've been changing equipment, ie, when we put the ENCO system in, the entire system is stereo....we have mono mix pads on the outputs. We change a console, remove the pad.....instant stereo, just add separation! TR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Feb 11 19:18:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76995 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 03:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 03:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 03:18:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 03:17:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:17:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 928 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Kerry's not correct on this one. Sony will have the first portables, ie, Walkmen out. They are about a year away. The chipsets are still too big, and they have just finished their design work and testing. Onkyo will have a home receiver out this summer. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Kerry Richards wrote: > > > As far as a HD walkman, it is about 2 years away, according to my > > friends at Ibiquity, they see this occuring on the next generation > > chipsets which will occur in the lab shortly. > > > Why do listeners have to wait two years to get an IBOC walkman? What's > the holdup? Some cellphones already have FM radios in Oz. > > Why isn't IBOC being promoted by the NAB and participating stations? > > Seems to me just another dogs breakfast like the stupid way the FCC > introduced AM stereo. > > > Ian > Upper Kumbucter West From tomray@wor710.com Wed Feb 11 19:19:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77584 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 03:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 03:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 03:19:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 03:19:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:19:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15c.2ced05fc.2d5c13a7@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 711 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 2/11/04 1:39:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, > evergreenterrace@b... writes: > > > Question for those that have had or currently have their hands on the HD > receivers. This white noise..or hash as it is often referred to that various > people have reported hearing on either side of an HD station with todays type of > radios....does one still hear this noise with the new radios on either side of > the HD station or underneath the analog audio? > > Yes, you can hear the IBOC carriers if you rock either side of a channel.....that energy is there. No, you can't hear any carrier noise under the analog audio. TR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Feb 11 19:20:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29605 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 03:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 03:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 03:20:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 03:20:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:20:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 240 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: If > it continues to operate in the manner it is now... we will have a > MAJOR problem. Correction. The problem is already here....and it ain't IBOC. TR From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 19:20:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59536 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 03:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 03:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 03:20:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 03:20:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:20:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040212024448.58508.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 261 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.35 Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo and the mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > (Just a mouse, nothing important enough to be > > capitalized.) > > > MEOW! > > > FFFFFT !!! [ from Miss Julia the Kitty] o.O Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 19:27:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71867 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 03:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 03:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 03:27:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 03:27:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:27:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 430 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.35 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" > wrote: > If > > it continues to operate in the manner it is now... we will have a > > MAJOR problem. > > Correction. The problem is already here....and it ain't IBOC. IBOC adds to it; otherwsise, correct. IBOC is just not the solution to the problem at hand. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Feb 11 20:26:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77871 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 04:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 04:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 04:26:18 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040212042550.DYLD11482.fed1mtao07.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:25:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:25:51 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8A8BD532-5D13-11D8-89F3-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.124 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (AM only) Tube Tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The specs show: IF bandwidth (6 db down): NORMAL--2 kc.; MAXIMUM--18 kc. That's amazing. Is it one or the other, or is it variable? On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 09:13 AM, douglasharding wrote: > I just bought a restored to new Heathkit AJ-21 off of ebay. Here is a > web link to it. It is wideband and sounds great. > > http://www.heathkit-museum.com/hifi/aj-21.shtml > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From zebra@strangeanimals.net Wed Feb 11 20:52:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9961 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 04:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 04:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 04:52:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 04:52:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 04:52:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1969 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "amradiozebra" X-Originating-IP: 69.19.179.166 Subject: AM Stereo VS IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra Well. I've listened to IBOC and AM Stereo and sometimes... /sometimes/ AM Stereo is better. Most of the time however, IBOC sounds better. It's true that the high end is horribly harsh sometimes on IBOC, but if they would just ease up on the highs a bit (remember, this is DIGITAL and you don't have to cram!) It would be a lot better. IBOC uses AAC encoding - AAC encoding copies the dynamics of the octave below, but uses bandshaping based on the actual music. This means that you should keep the compression of the highs to a minimum for best sound! IBOC is something we are probably going to have to learn with. The processors WILL become cheaper. The battery life will get better. (note the battery life of an iPod, it plays AAC files already) and the 'modem' section will get as good. It's like my early portable CD player, had a battery the size of a novel. Now, they play a long time on 2 AAs. Nighttime DXing is already impossible for me at work (computers) and at home (dense city living, TVs, computers, light dimmers, electric busses). For the urban listener, IBOC is more good than bad. ANd it IS optional, on a cheap transistor in NYC I could hear the sidebands, but the noise wasn't that bad. I know the feeling of "what? I love C-QUAM! why can't they just make good analog radios!?" but they did for a while, and no one cared but we um unusual people, lovers of radio rooted in history. I think I can deal with it. I'll just have the treble turned down, just like AM usually is now. *shrug* I don't know if I'll pay more than $50 for an IBOC radio over what I normally would - but that won't be a problem, given a couple generations of silicon. I commute to a rural area sometimes, where I can listen to shortwave (I have three trans-oceanics, how's that for crazy), and DX AM - but save 1110 in LA (and that fades badly) there is NO AM Stereo available anyway. It can't get worse, really, for most of us at this point. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 21:05:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66994 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 05:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 05:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 05:05:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20040212050547.22138.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.117] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:05:47 PST Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:05:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > > > > But, Tom, C-Quam is perfect for the upcoming > political > > season. Politicians can then talk out of both > sides of > > their mouths and use platform shift to their > > advantage! > > > > > > > BA-DUM---CHING! > > We'll install the optional shovel to clear your > speakers when they > get done! > > TR Maybe some hip waders if the shovel isn't good enough. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 21:09:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83915 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 05:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 05:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 05:09:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20040212050958.8170.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.117] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:09:58 PST Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:09:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo VS IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- amradiozebra wrote: > Well. I've listened to IBOC and AM Stereo and > sometimes... /sometimes/ AM Stereo is better. > > Most of the time however, IBOC sounds better. > It's true that the high end is horribly harsh > sometimes on IBOC, but > if they would just ease up on the highs a bit > (remember, this is > DIGITAL and you don't have to cram!) It would be a > lot better. > > IBOC uses AAC encoding - AAC encoding copies the > dynamics of the > octave below, but uses bandshaping based on the > actual music. This > means that you should keep the compression of the > highs to a minimum > for best sound! No IBOC does NOT use AAC. They were going to. They tried their first proprietary codec and it was dismal. The new one called HDC ( I think) is somewhat similar, but most likely not as robust. The original plan was to use the same thing as DRM, but Ibiquity could get more money if they used the Lucent schemes. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 21:26:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98794 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 05:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 05:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 05:26:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 05:26:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:26:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 509 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.35 Subject: Re: AM Stereo VS IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amradiozebra" wrote: > IBOC uses AAC encoding - AAC encoding copies the dynamics of the > octave below, but uses bandshaping based on the actual music. This > means that you should keep the compression of the highs to a minimum > for best sound! IBOC uses PAC, a proprietary codec similar to, but definitely NOT MP4/AAC. DRM uses AAC. Both use a system to reconstruct the high-end range called "SBR". XM also uses AAC+SBR as well. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 22:49:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77091 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 06:49:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 06:49:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 06:49:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 06:48:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 06:48:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 695 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.35 Subject: New stereo uploads X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I thought I would upload a few new stereo versions to the ftp site, in the /uploads/stereo versions directory. Manfred Mann's "Do Wah Diddy" Jackie Wilson's "Lonely Teardrops"- A better copy at 160kbps. King Harvest's "Dancing in the Moonlight" (yes, I found it!)- I need a better copy, since there's a glitch right at the beginning. Jones' "Good Time Oldies" service has been playing all three of these, recently. Still looking for the stereo version of Lou Christie's "Two Faces Have I" that I heard on WGTO in Orlando years ago, and the complete stereo version of the Playmates' "Beep Beep". (The copy on the FTP site is only the intro- It's missing the rest. :( ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 23:51:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 991 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 07:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 07:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 07:51:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 07:50:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 07:50:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040212004718.89893.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1967 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-AX15? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key So I should have a better time getting 1110 on an A300 than on an SRF-42? It's nearly impossible to null 1130 to get 1110 because they're close (directionally) to each other. According to the FCC database, from my coordinates, 1130 is 6.31 miles and 350.15=BA heading, while 1110 is 111.41 miles and 327.31=BA. How does the audio quality compare with an SRF-42? here's a few recordings I made on an SRF-42 of Radio Disney from various locations... http://68.105.110.45:1180/stephen/amradio/KDIS_01-23-2004_0850am-0950am.mp3= =3D=0D - 67.6MB http://68.105.110.45:1180/stephen/amradio/KDIS_01-23-2004_1015am_to_approx_= =3D=0D 1115am.mp3 - 23.3MB http://68.105.110.45:1180/stephen/amradio/KDIS_30mins_top30_AMStereo.mp3 - 20.7MB note that the server is kinda slow. If I remember correctly (although I'm on a computer that doesn't support sound/mp3 right now so I can't listen) the last one is scoped, but of a fairly high bitrate and quality. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > The 300 is as good as the superadio for what you can "drag in" (It separates really well so you should get 1110 heard from 1130 especially if you turn the radio around to null it but the 300 doesnt get wideband sound like the SR but it does get AM$ sound. > FM isnt why I got a 300 it goes to 92Mhz only and isnt that great and I get images on the 77-88 part of our local strong FMers around 93-98Mhz area. > You should try one of these.(the only *better radio I have on AM MW is the yacht boy 400PE but not AM$). > Michael >=20 > pianoplayer88key wrote: > yea I meant 300. :) (even though I said 100) ;) >=20 > How would you say the 300 compares with the SR, or with an average FM > radio or something else you could compare it to? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Michael&Ross >=20 > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 23:54:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38448 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 07:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 07:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 07:54:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 07:54:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 07:54:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 213 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: AM stereo and the mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > > MEOW! > > O.o > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ ? From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Wed Feb 11 23:59:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29925 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 07:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 07:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 07:59:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 07:59:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 07:59:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2464 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.189.129 Subject: Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" > wrote: > If > > it continues to operate in the manner it is now... we will have a > > MAJOR problem. > > Correction. The problem is already here....and it ain't IBOC. > > TR The SIGNS of the major problem are here. I don't think we've begun to see the mass exodus from AM and FM radio. Broadcasters have to change their thinking NOW to save radio. The IPod is here... and has won approval... not because of the SOUND but because of what you can do with it... thousands of songs on something that fits in your pocket. No commercials. This is better than even the dreaded XM and Sirius. Changing the delivery METHOD is not going to save radio. I'm not sure it's going to even help much (at all) at this point. There is a romance between the public and radio, but the public is starting to get pissed off for lack of a better term. I just cannot honestly understand the mentality that HD is going to be some magic wand that will cure all of radios evils. Some people in this industry are flying blind with this reasoning. The quality of the audio is not why we're losing the battle people... it is CONTENT of the audio. People aren't tuning out because they're saying their FM radio sounds bad. People would probably listen more to AM stations outside the major markets if they actually presented something interesting to listen to. Most don't even try. *start rant* You know how we're all going to end up? This HD thing will push thru and thru and we'll all end up sitting there with expensive equipment and transmitters and everyone listening to their I-Pods (or equivelent MP3 players). The small "community" AM stations will be gone because their higher powered neighbors will have white- noised them to death (or they cannot afford the new equipment). Now the FCC and iBiquity gets what they want... this will open up the band at night for HD to go full throttle 24/7 as more and more tune out because they're tired of the same 300 songs they don't want to hear. *end rant* I apologize if anyone was injured during the spewing of my rant. Again, we all have a goal to get the most out of AM. I can understand the plight of an AM station trying to overcome power line noise and the concrete jungle that is Manhattan. But please, isn't there a BETTER WAY? From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 00:10:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28738 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 08:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 08:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 08:10:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20040212081048.86679.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.214] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:10:48 PST Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:10:48 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.48 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-AX15? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I havent listened to the mp3s of KDIS yet The conection to server cannot be= established but try later. The A300 is probably the best one for you as its 1.reasonably well priced 2= .it gets AM$ 3.Has a warm nice tone.4.Is very dx'able with good separation.= 5. A good size. =20 I can get 693 here next to a local 702 at night here but your stations mayb= e higher powered. Michael pianoplayer88key wrote: So I should have a better time getting 1110 on an A300 than on an SRF-42? It's nearly impossible to null 1130 to get 1110 because they're close (directionally) to each other. According to the FCC database, from my coordinates, 1130 is 6.31 miles and 350.15=BA heading, while 1110 is 111.41 miles and 327.31=BA. How does the audio quality compare with an SRF-42? here's a few recordings I made on an SRF-42 of Radio Disney from various locations... http --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 00:13:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74240 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 08:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 08:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 08:13:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 08:12:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:12:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 323 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.35 Subject: Re: AM stereo and the mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > > wrote: > > > > > MEOW! > > > > O.o > > ? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Feb 12 00:23:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61772 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 08:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 08:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 08:23:18 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.6]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:31:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c3f141$392685a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:21:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-A X15? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 You got THAT right!- I bought a case of 12 in 1994 from Circuit City, and tested them right out of the box- Using a Sencore SG80- and no 2 were alike- 3 did not work at all at first, due to bad soldering, 4 needed alignment before they would work acceptably, and 3 were very good. This was when Sony's quality started it's downward quality trend which continues today. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: wgliradio To: Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: comparison of SRF-42 to SRF-A100 or SRF-AX51V or SRF-A X15? > One problem with the SRF-42 is that they are a crapshoot. Never have > I seen a radio vary from unit to unit in sensitivity. I had 4 before > I got one that worked right. > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 00:27:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56371 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 08:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 08:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 08:27:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 08:27:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:27:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1549 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.130 Subject: Re: WOR audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You are correct on the Savage feed, but you are completely wrong > regarding the IBOC demonstrations. While a music station may have > more impact, you would be surprised at the reactions of people who > experience WOR with decent frequency response as opposed to typical > AM. Yet, numerous listener experiences indicate that AM IBOC's encoding artifacts are the most obvious and objectionable when dealing with a dry male voice -- exactly what WOR's programming largely consists of. Perhaps you missed the New York Times review, from a listener who took a "test drive" with the Kenwood IBOC receiver? As she explained, "there was noticeably less static on WNYC-FM, one of three New York City stations currently broadcasting HD. But I was surprised that the music didn't sound richer in digital than in analog. When I switched to WOR-AM, the difference was more distinct. In analog the host's voice sounded warm, almost soothing, while in digital, it sounded harsher and crackly. There was actually less static in analog than in digital mode." It is no coincidence that the official AM IBOC digital audio samples on iBiquity's web site, at least since the switch from PAC to HDC, have never featured any voice content -- just instrumental music. And if you want the listener to experience a "decent frequency response", just tell them to switch over to 770 WABC. On any AM receiver that has even a _hint_ of audio response above 5 kHz, the improvement in crispness and clarity is tremendous compared to WOR's audio. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 00:33:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76141 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 08:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 08:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 08:33:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 08:33:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:33:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1218 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.35 Subject: Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: =snip= > *start rant* =snip= > *end rant* It's a good sign to see that someone ELSE has said what I have been saying all along! As long as the content isn't improved, IBOC isn't going to help save AM. In fact, the digital interference is going to do MORE to drive listeners AWAY from the band, as more stations bring HD online, effectively rendering the AM band useless. The sad part is, IBOC is being rammed down our throats, day AND night- No reprieve. There is really not much we can do but hope IBOC runs its course, and we can pick up where AM left off before this fiasco, and try to do it RIGHT. I envision the day that the AM band reverts to exactly the condition it was before the first commercial license in 1921: community broadcasting, only that instead of hams broadcasting, it would be a new class- The same class of broadcaster- The same class that has been pushing for LPFM and LPAM community broadcasting for YEARS. Even in these dark days, we MUST keep the pilot light on to guide the next generation through. The rest of your post was good, by the way. :) Right on the money. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 00:53:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44034 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 08:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 08:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 08:53:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 08:53:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:53:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040212081048.86679.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1615 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.130 Subject: Re: Sony SRF-A300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The A300 is probably the best one for you as its 1.reasonably well > priced 2.it gets AM$ 3.Has a warm nice tone.4.Is very dx'able with > good separation.5. A good size. Of all the portable (battery-operated) AM Stereo receivers I've tried, the Sony SRF-A300 is easily the best for DXing, for all the following reasons: * excellent sensitivity, even with only the built-in antenna * very good selectivity (easily separates adjacent channels; no screaming carrier whistles) * very large, smooth-operating tuning knob * very large, lighted tuning dial * wide separation, low distortion audio -- great for AM Stereo DXing * noticeably lower noise floor (less hiss) than previous SRF- models * external antenna jack-- no other portable AM Stereo radio has this! * "sleep" timer, like a clock radio -- for bedtime DXing without draining down the batteries Also, unlike the other SRF- models, the SRF-A300 can directly run from household AC power. It is rated for 100V Japanese AC power, but I have had no trouble using it with 120V American power. Just don't leave it plugged in all the time, as this places extra strain on the transformer. When operating on AC power, the dial light stays on all the time, too -- a nice touch. The SRF-A300 would also be ideal for someone with limited hand motion (arthritis, etc.). All the knobs and switches are very large, smooth-operating, and only require light effort. The tuning knob has an index finger indentation, so you don't even need to twist your wrist to tune it. You rarely see this kind of attention to physical design in modern electronics! From dav259@csiro.au Thu Feb 12 01:38:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55662 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 09:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 09:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 09:38:11 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1C9c8KY001127 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 20:38:10 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 20:38:08 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Why are we here? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 My friends in America I am sick of all this griping on the list. What's going on is sad. But ... what have you personally done to try and stop it? I'd like this to be a lobby group to advance the cause of AM stereo. But alot seem to have been hijacked by WOR's 'Tom and Kerry' show. Perhaps they are MGM imposters. T & K are right. 200 people on a list like this are not going to stop the roll out of IBOC - even though it seems pretty flawed. But we C-quam fanciers can try and keep it alive! It's certainly alive in Melbourne (though still a huge secret). Do what you can do to keep it going. We know how good it is. We must fight to keep it going till something better arrives. On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Amy Mousie wrote: > The sad part is, IBOC is being rammed down our throats, day AND night- > No reprieve. There is really not much we can do but hope IBOC runs > its course, and we can pick up where AM left off before this fiasco, > and try to do it RIGHT. God bless you Amy! But from my far flung perception stuck out here in the Antipodies IBOC isn't being rammed down anyone's throats except here on this list - courtesy of the Tom & Kerry show. By reacting to their every whim we're only saving WOR money that otherwise may have had to be diverted to audience research. No offence intended Tom and Kerry. You're only doing your jobs. And probably pretty well from what I surmise. Let's all step back for a moment and take a few deep breaths. Think what you want out of radio. And if it's to keep the 'little guy' local station to keep AMS - write and praise them! It's not good enough to vent your feelings here. You're only preaching to the choir. It looks as if this IBOC-iBiquity steamroller is going to gradually envelope America. Stop reacting to T & K's baits. Do something about it!!! If!!! (and it's a big 'if') - radio needs to go digital - let it accept Eureka 147 - and make it the world standard. So it wasn't developed by an American (oil) company. Tough! With apologies to Kerry and Tom - I admire your pluck. But this is an AM stereo list. Frankly - to date - AMS is the best sound I've ever had out of my portable radios. It's been a love life of 19 years for me - and I don't want to see (HEAR) it end till something better turns up. God Bless America and God Bless Magic 693! (for their programming as well as AMS) Ian Melbourne . From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Feb 12 01:44:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99222 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 09:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 09:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 09:44:29 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-67-126-220-209.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.126.220.209]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i1C9iSM71986; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:44:28 -0800 Message-ID: <001601c3f14c$1744cfe0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:39:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: WOW !!!!!! I gess I will be the 500th post. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WOW!!!!!! I gess i will be the 500th post today. Wich is great!!!! I wish all am stations would show the same inthuseasum about C-QUAM as we do. Its going to interesting then there is going to be a lot of AM IBOC stations together in a big city and in freq. I wonder if all you are going to hear is mute because of the digital hash each other staions puts out becaue thay are close in distance and freq. Just ceareuse. I know can't spell. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Thu Feb 12 02:03:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71049 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 10:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 10:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 10:03:58 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1CA3pKY002260 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:03:52 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:03:51 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: am stereo forum In-Reply-To: <001601c3f14c$1744cfe0$c188fea9@jimsmith> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOW !!!!!! I gess I will be the 500th post. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, jimsmith wrote: > WOW!!!!!! [snip] > I wonder if all you are going to hear is mute > because of the digital hash each other staions puts out becaue thay are > close in distance and freq. Just ceareuse. I know can't spell. Jim S Yo Jim You are one of the good guys! Don't worry about your spelling. The message comes though. You are dedicated to the cause ... which is more than I could say about over 100 gripers. And you know who you are! For all the many years you've enjoyed the secretive thing that is AMS how many times have you contacted an AMS station to tell them so? None ... ??? Well - why should they bother? . From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 02:07:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41682 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 10:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 10:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 10:07:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 10:07:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:07:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3244 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.236 Subject: Re: Why are we here? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > My friends in America > > > I am sick of all this griping on the list. > > What's going on is sad. But ... what have you personally done to try and > stop it? That's just it, Ian- Right now, IBOC is unstoppable. The reason for that is as simple as looking at your wallet: They have it, we don't. > I'd like this to be a lobby group to advance the cause of AM stereo. And we shall continue to do just that- Or at least I and some others here will. > But alot seem to have been hijacked by WOR's 'Tom and Kerry' show. > Perhaps they are MGM imposters. Heh. Truth is, it isn't Tom or Kerry, but the NAB and a corporate- driven FCC, and it's about time we do realize we're no match when it comes to saving AM stereo on the AM broadcast band. We need to get beyond the AM band and keep AMS alive outside of it until IBOC blows over. Only then we can reclaim it and make it as AMS-friendly as possible, just by making use of an "unwanted" band. > T & K are right. 200 people on a list like this are not going to stop the > roll out of IBOC - even though it seems pretty flawed. Which is correct. > But we C-quam fanciers can try and keep it alive! It's certainly alive in > Melbourne (though still a huge secret). Here, the best chance to keep AMS going a bit longer is with rural markets, the ones least affected by IBOC, and can least afford to "upgrade". That buys AMS a few years from total extinction from the AM band. But they're right- We ARE losing AMS stations- We now have LESS thazn 300 AMS stations in the US! And IBOC hasn't hit full-force, yet! > Do what you can do to keep it going. We know how good it is. We must > fight to keep it going till something better arrives. You know I have been trying to preserve AMS for some time- I was hoping that the threat could be postponed or thwarted, but that is not to pass- IBOC is coming, whether we like it or not, and it will be devastating. I love AM stereo- If I didn't, I wouldn't be panicking about the incoming IBOC or expressing my fears about what's happening. I'm not giving up on AM stereo, but for now, the AM band is a lost cause until IBOC fizzles out. But almost all the focus on AMS has been on the AM broadcast band (for good reason- Nearly all the broadcasting has been done on it), but there's still radio below 520 and above 1720 that can be used. And as the moderator pointed out, there still are other countries broadcasting AMS- Countries lkike Japan where AMS is successful, and France which has the most powerful AMS transmitter in the world, and not a single AMS radio on the marget in all of Europe- Yet they're dedicated enough to FIX their transmitter and realign the C-QUAM, even with just a few that might be actually listening in stereo! That's called dedication. :) And you know what? Even without the AM band, I'm STILL dedicated to AMS, and I know the MW AMS stations represented here are just as dedicated. We have not lost the war- Just this battle. We WILL perservere. We WILL go on. We **WILL** outlast and outlive IBOC, or die trying! As someone once said, "Never give up, never surrender." Well? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Thu Feb 12 02:31:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72589 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 10:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 10:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 10:31:05 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1CAUxKY003221; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:31:02 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:30:59 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Amy Mousie Cc: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why are we here? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Amy Mousie wrote: > We have not lost the war- Just this battle. > > We WILL perservere. We WILL go on. > > We **WILL** outlast and outlive IBOC, or die trying! Hey Amy Spot on. Bonza! I have it from a reliable source that Chris is upset. And another report from Canada that Alex is still alive (with child) and watching this list. (Hi Ho Alex!) And Johnny Electron is about to go beserk. Those who love AM stereo must take up a lobbyist approach now! Perhaps UK Dave could give us a good perspective about this. Seems to me the UK never properly had AMS yet our Dave is there to guide us. So ... UK Dave - what should the rest of the world do to catch up? or sound as good as UK radio does? Ian (maybe moving to Adelaide) From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Feb 12 06:36:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51959 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 14:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 14:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 14:36:22 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 07:36:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c3f175$984d3450$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 07:36:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hear THAT! I know we've discussed it several times here on this list. I fight the same battle with our McMartin BA-1K. Bob is right.....about 4-9 months. The import Amperex tubes are the best I've found. I don't even mess with the chinese tubes. BOY I miss the Eimacs :( Michael n WYO KEVA Country AM Stereo 1240 Evanston ----- Original Message ----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? I agree...the new ones are junk..within a 4 to 9 month period,the changes in the tubes are evident. So much for quality American made products eh?The elcheapo foreign stuff of lesser quality is killing us. Bob Carter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Feb 12 07:07:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16978 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 15:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 15:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 15:07:24 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:07:13 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01c3f179$e84e7aa0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:07:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New stereo uploads X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KEWL!!! I've been looking for the stereo "Lonely Teardrops" for quite some time. Thanks Amy! And I can't wait to hear this stereo "Dancing in the moonlight". Will have to check around but I thought the "2 Faces Have I" that we have here is the stereo version. If it is, I'll upload it. I'll check our version of "Beep Beep" as well. Might be, ya never know :) Thanks Amy! Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 11:48 PM Subject: {AMSF} New stereo uploads I thought I would upload a few new stereo versions to the ftp site, in the /uploads/stereo versions directory. Manfred Mann's "Do Wah Diddy" Jackie Wilson's "Lonely Teardrops"- A better copy at 160kbps. King Harvest's "Dancing in the Moonlight" (yes, I found it!)- I need a better copy, since there's a glitch right at the beginning. Jones' "Good Time Oldies" service has been playing all three of these, recently. Still looking for the stereo version of Lou Christie's "Two Faces Have I" that I heard on WGTO in Orlando years ago, and the complete stereo version of the Playmates' "Beep Beep". (The copy on the FTP site is only the intro- It's missing the rest. :( ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Feb 12 07:17:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65869 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 15:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 15:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 15:17:48 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:17:48 -0700 Message-ID: <004501c3f17b$5f907540$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:17:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-A300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I really wish I could afford one of these. If I know what's good for me I had better get one before (like the SRF-42) they're not available any longer. Might even consider swapping out the transformer. I'm sure the thing runs on a normal 6V or something like that. Those are very easy to come by. AC120V to 6VDC is quite common. Even and old tape recorder would have something like that in it. Anyhooo.......how much are we talking again, guys? About $100 ? Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:53 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-A300 > The A300 is probably the best one for you as its 1.reasonably well > priced 2.it gets AM$ 3.Has a warm nice tone.4.Is very dx'able with > good separation.5. A good size. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Feb 12 07:38:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4590 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 15:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 15:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 15:38:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 15:38:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:38:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004501c3f17b$5f907540$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1247 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Phil R" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-A300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Yes MJR, $100 plus shipping from Japan, which is very reasonable - only $18 to ship from Japan to PEI Canada. Sound is pleasant, but not Hifi. Tuning is excellant, but does have tuning "plop". Sensitive and selective. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > I really wish I could afford one of these. If I know what's good for me I had better get one before (like the SRF-42) they're not available any longer. Might even consider swapping out the transformer. I'm sure the thing runs on a normal 6V or something like that. Those are very easy to come by. AC120V to 6VDC is quite common. Even and old tape recorder would have something like that in it. > Anyhooo.......how much are we talking again, guys? About $100 ? > > Michael n WYO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin T. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:53 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-A300 > > > > The A300 is probably the best one for you as its 1.reasonably well > > priced 2.it gets AM$ 3.Has a warm nice tone.4.Is very dx'able with > > good separation.5. A good size. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Feb 12 07:39:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98174 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 15:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 15:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 15:39:30 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:39:30 -0700 Message-ID: <004e01c3f17e$676743e0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:39:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why are we here? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 3:07 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why are we here? Here, the best chance to keep AMS going a bit longer is with rural markets, the ones least affected by IBOC, and can least afford to "upgrade". That buys AMS a few years from total extinction from the AM band. Someone say RURAL? OH, that's ME!!! Here in Podunkville! (no Kerry, I ain't gonna let you forget that! I took that as a personal attack. And I never threw ANY punches at you guys...and as a matter of fact I ENJOYED my corrospondence with Tom in the past. And one day I'd love to see and hear the IBOC system there at WOR. Unfortunately, we don't make much money out here in Podunkville so I could ne'er afford a trip to the big New yerk city. I like to think I know what I'm talking about and you really have a way of making a guy feel worthless) ...simmering down.... Michael n WYO (podunkville) PROUD TO BE in a small market and NOT having to put up with big city B.S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Thu Feb 12 08:08:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6336 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 16:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 16:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 16:08:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 16:07:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:07:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 313 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: 4 Times Square X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray If anyone is interested, The Society of Broadcast Engineers Chapter 15 will be touring the 4-Times Square facility on Feb 26. You don't need to be an SBE member to attend, nor do you need to be an Engineer or in the business, and anyone is welcome. Check http://www.sbe15.com for the details. Tom Ray WOR From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Feb 12 08:08:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98916 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 16:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 16:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 16:08:30 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 09:08:27 -0700 Message-ID: <006001c3f182$736112d0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 09:08:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-A300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Phil Better start saving my pennies. Although I still tend to want to put it away in the SRF-A100 account so that I can eventually save up $400 so I can get one on Ebay. I'm still convinced that if I frequent the thrift stores in Utah I'll eventually find one and pay like $5 for it. That's what I paid for my SRF-A1 walkman. I really don't think I want an A100 THAT bad to pay THAT much for one. I still find it amazing that "AM Stereo is dead" yet broadcasters still want thousands of dollars for their old C-quam equipment that's sitting on shelves collecting dust and AM Stereo gear on EBay goes for so much. It would be nice to have something that is brand new, though. I guess $100 ain't that bad. Just wish I had it. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil R To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:38 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-A300 Yes MJR, $100 plus shipping from Japan, which is very reasonable - only $18 to ship from Japan to PEI Canada. Sound is pleasant, but not Hifi. Tuning is excellant, but does have tuning "plop". Sensitive and selective. Phil R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 08:58:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4835 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 16:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 16:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 16:58:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 16:57:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:57:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 882 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: stereo La Bamba? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I think I remember someone a while back saying something about a version of La Bamba in stereo.... I was with my parents & sister touring a little bit of the fire-damaged area of eastern San Diego County yesterday evening around 6 or so, and listening to Radio Disney (either 1110 or 1580, whichever signal was coming in better) on my am mono Panasonic RQ-SW20, when La Bamba came on. I happened to have my SRF-42 with me, so I switched to it (had to re-tune it to 1110 though cause it had gotten bumped). It was somewhat hard to tell due to the fading, static, and some platform motion, but I think I heard La Bamba in AM Stereo. If anyone listens to Radio Disney in stereo, if you hear the song again could you confirm/deny this? I had trouble due to the problems mentioned above, but it DID sound somewhat spacial at least to my ears, through the static and platform motion. From dougharding@mindspring.com Thu Feb 12 09:31:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47781 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 17:31:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 17:31:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 17:31:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 17:31:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:31:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1541 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Re: (AM only) Tube Tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I am not sure as I do not have the manual for it. I believe the response is 20 to 10,000hz in wide postion. It has a switch above the tunning knob that selects narrow or wide response. Mine was completly restored by the guy I got it from. He even repainted the cabinet in the same Heathkit color. It looks and sounds brand new. I know he did a realignment of it and replaced some of the tubes. It sounds incredible in the wide postion. A Very warm rich sound. I had thought about converting it to AM stereo with one of Chris Cuffs decoders but that would bypass the audio tube output so I decided to leave it as is. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > I couldn't tell from the pic... does it have a narrow-to-wide > toggle? It's certainly a good-looking tuner! > > If I'm reading the specs right, is it 18 kHz in wide mode? > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" > wrote: > > I just bought a restored to new Heathkit AJ-21 off of ebay. Here is > a > > web link to it. It is wideband and sounds great. > > > > http://www.heathkit-museum.com/hifi/aj-21.shtml > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." > > wrote: > > > I know Eico made an AM only tuner, and I also know of Fisher's AM- > 80. > > > > > > Does anyone know of other AM-only tuners out there? And like the > > > one's above, I'm thinking of something designed like a stereo > > > component, not an old wooden radio with AM. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 09:33:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38339 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 17:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 17:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 17:33:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 17:33:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:33:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 154 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 68.93.61.11 Subject: Sony WM-F17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Can we confirm that this one is NOT AM Stereo? The labeling on the unit is confusing... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3077842226 From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Feb 12 09:50:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98905 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 17:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 17:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 17:50:44 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:50:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c3f190$ac548230$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:49:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony WM-F17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks like Sony made the WM-F16 about the same time...which IS AM Stereo and labled accordingly (see pic on amstereoradio.com web site). But I don't think this one is. That was back in the day that Sony specifically highlighted the AM STEREO factor. So I doubt it. But it looks like it was made at the same time. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas B. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: {AMSF} Sony WM-F17 Can we confirm that this one is NOT AM Stereo? The labeling on the unit is confusing... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3077842226 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 10:18:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41100 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 18:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 18:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 18:18:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 18:18:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:18:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 335 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.42 Subject: Re: stereo La Bamba? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > I think I remember someone a while back saying something about a > version of La Bamba in stereo.... Last I saw, there were four copies (different edits/versions) of it in the /uploads/stereo versions folder on the FTP site. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 10:27:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94155 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 18:27:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 18:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41202.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 18:27:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20040212182736.17384.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.214] by web41202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:27:36 PST Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:27:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.35 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why are we here? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Theres no AM$ in Adelaide! Michael Ian Davidson wrote: Ian (maybe moving to Adelaide) Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 10:36:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81485 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 18:33:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 18:33:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 18:33:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20040212183344.98039.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.214] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:33:44 PST Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:33:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.45 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony WM-F17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Think the F18 is AM$. Michael "Douglas B." wrote: Can we confirm that this one is NOT AM Stereo? The labeling on the unit is confusing... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3077842226 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 10:40:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65758 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 18:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 18:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 18:40:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 18:40:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:40:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 380 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Sony WM-F17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Can we confirm that this one is NOT AM Stereo? The labeling on the > unit is confusing... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3077842226 I don't think it has AM Stereo. The Sony WM-F16, which DOES have AM Stereo, also says "FM/AM Stereo", but it has the "AM Stereo" printed in larger letters: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/f16-1.jpg From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 11:40:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56836 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 19:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 19:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 19:40:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20040212194011.67849.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.106] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:40:11 PST Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:40:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.85 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo VS IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > IBOC uses PAC, a proprietary codec similar to, but > definitely NOT > MP4/AAC. DRM uses AAC. Both use a system to > reconstruct the high-end > range called "SBR". XM also uses AAC+SBR as well. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ No, they gave that up and developed a NEW proprietary codec. The new one is more similar to AAC but is not AAC. If they use their own codec they hold the end users hostage as to say. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 11:42:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63507 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 19:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 19:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 19:42:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 19:42:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:42:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040212194011.67849.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 115 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo VS IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > No, they gave that up and developed a NEW proprietary > codec. I think the IBOC codec is called HDC. -tony From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 11:47:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68903 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 19:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 19:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 19:47:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20040212194659.69398.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.106] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:46:59 PST Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:46:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.85 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" > wrote: > > =snip= > > > *start rant* > > =snip= > > > *end rant* > > It's a good sign to see that someone ELSE has said > what I have been > saying all along! Well I feel that way but WAIT..... > As long as the content isn't improved, IBOC isn't > going to help save > AM. In fact, the digital interference is going to do > MORE to drive > listeners AWAY from the band, as more stations bring > HD online, > effectively rendering the AM band useless. yes AND..... > The sad part is, IBOC is being rammed down our > throats, day AND night- > No reprieve. There is really not much we can do but > hope IBOC runs > its course, and we can pick up where AM left off > before this fiasco, > and try to do it RIGHT. Just wait. I really expect that there will be a hard push for a quick end to analog broadcasting. I do even feel that owning an analog receiver by the GENERAL PUBLIC will be made illegal. Yes, BOTH policitical parties will come to the realization that with no analog they will have the ability to totally control what you can and CAN NOT hear. With digital, this is so easy to implement. HDTV has the ability to prevent you from recording or setting flags as to allow so many watches...and poof. Don't think this is lost on the radio broadcasters and the RIAA, etc. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 12:15:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68842 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 20:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 20:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 20:15:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 20:15:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 20:15:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040212194011.67849.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 612 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.42 Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo VS IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > IBOC uses PAC, a proprietary codec similar to, but > > definitely NOT > > MP4/AAC. DRM uses AAC. Both use a system to > > reconstruct the high-end > > range called "SBR". XM also uses AAC+SBR as well. > > No, they gave that up and developed a NEW proprietary > codec. The new one is more similar to AAC but is > not AAC. If they use their own codec they hold the end > users hostage as to say. Yes, I do realize my mistake. It's referred now as "HDC". Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 12 12:27:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79227 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 20:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 20:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 20:27:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 20:27:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 20:27:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 845 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 69.104.34.110 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOW !!!!!! I gess I will be the 500th post. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, jimsmith wrote: > > > WOW!!!!!! > [snip] > > I wonder if all you are going to hear is mute > > because of the digital hash each other staions puts out becaue thay are > > close in distance and freq. Just ceareuse. I know can't spell. Jim S > > Yo Jim > > You are one of the good guys! > > Don't worry about your spelling. The message comes though. > > You are dedicated to the cause ... which is more than I could say about > over 100 gripers. And you know who you are! > > For all the many years you've enjoyed the secretive thing that is AMS how > many times have you contacted an AMS station to tell them so? > > None ... ??? > > Well - why should they bother? > > > > > > > > > . Hi Ian 2 0r 3 stations. Jim S From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Feb 12 12:46:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43751 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 20:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 20:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 20:46:27 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.189.24ab0cca (4410) for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:46:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <189.24ab0cca.2d5d401e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:46:22 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.6 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/12/04 3:19:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.co= m=20 writes: > Just wait. I really expect that there will be a hard > push for a quick end to analog broadcasting. I do even > feel that owning an analog receiver by the GENERAL > PUBLIC will be made illegal.=20=20 >=20 I'm trying to understand the reasoning here....but why would owning an anal= og=20 receiver be made illegal of all you'll hear are the buzzing of digital=20 carriers? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Thu Feb 12 15:13:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43630 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 23:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 23:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 23:13:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 23:13:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:13:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 458 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > We must PRESERVE AM stereo for the radio world AFTER IBOC. > > We must ride out the next 10-20 years. > > But can we? > > Will we? > > Does any ofd us, other than myself who would want to stick with it? > > I feel like I'm alone here on this. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Alone? Don't bet on it! I'll be here with you unless I croak from a heart attack or some such. Scott Todd From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 15:19:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34106 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 23:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 23:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 23:19:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 23:19:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:19:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 278 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: (AM only) Tube Tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << I had thought about converting it to AM stereo with one of Chris Cuffs decoders but that would bypass the audio tube output so I decided to leave it as is. >> Is this a problem with ALL tube conversions? Isn't there a way to retain that warm tube sound with AM Stereo? From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Feb 12 15:25:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62567 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 23:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 23:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 23:25:07 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.37.211]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:33:02 -0500 Message-ID: <006001c3f1bf$34a54600$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:23:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (AM only) Tube Tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Of course- you have to think of the decoder as a detector- which it is- and there have been solid state diode detectors in tube tuners for years. Many people have converted tube tuners and all-tube receivers with very good results. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas B. To: Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 6:19 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: (AM only) Tube Tuners > << I had thought about converting it to AM stereo with one of Chris > Cuffs decoders but that would bypass the audio tube output so I > decided to leave it as is. >> > > Is this a problem with ALL tube conversions? Isn't there a way to > retain that warm tube sound with AM Stereo? > From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Feb 12 17:41:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87582 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 01:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 01:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 01:41:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:41:04 -0800 Received: from 172.146.190.219 by bay7-dav54.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:41:04 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 20:34:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2004 01:41:04.0622 (UTC) FILETIME=[718120E0:01C3F1D2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.47 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.146.190.219] Subject: OT WGUL-FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 What is it with WGUL-FMs audio? They sound like an AM with bad modulator tubes, especially on local inserts, but even the "Music Of Your Life" feed has that raspy distortion. The highs are also swishy like a BAD digital to analog conversion, or multi-generation digital format changes. It almost sounds like a permanent selective fade on AM...platform motion and all! LOL. So far, I have not heard ANY Tampa area station with real good, seductive audio. Kevinh From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Thu Feb 12 17:56:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69385 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 01:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 01:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 01:56:02 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6526210874E for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06FAD6F7E8 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:46:08 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040212210600.00a04710@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:06:49 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Beep Beep - Long Version X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did that file not get uploaded correctly? I can reupload if need be. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Thu Feb 12 18:05:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87065 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 02:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 02:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 02:05:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 02:05:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:05:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040212050958.8170.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 576 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: AM Stereo VS IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > No IBOC does NOT use AAC. They were going to. They > tried their first proprietary codec and it was dismal. > The new one called HDC ( I think) is somewhat similar, > but most likely not as robust. The original plan was > to use the same thing as DRM, but Ibiquity could get > more money if they used the Lucent schemes. The HDC codec is AAC with some minor modifications. There are many reasons it was called HDC that I cannot get into.....but it is an AAC codec. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Feb 12 18:06:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93937 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 02:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 02:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 02:06:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 02:06:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:06:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 351 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: AM Stereo VS IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > IBOC uses PAC, a proprietary codec similar to, but definitely NOT > MP4/AAC. DRM uses AAC. Both use a system to reconstruct the high- end > range called "SBR". XM also uses AAC+SBR as well. > PAC was dropped in October. The new HDC codec is an AAC derivative. From tomray@wor710.com Thu Feb 12 18:07:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45056 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 02:07:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 02:07:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 02:07:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 02:07:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:07:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040212050547.22138.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > Maybe some hip waders if the shovel isn't good enough. > > Powell > The way it's been going, I'm starting to think a full body suit is in order! T From tomray@wor710.com Thu Feb 12 18:09:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34502 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 02:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 02:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 02:09:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 02:09:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:09:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 242 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > > I apologize if anyone was injured during the spewing of my rant. No harm done. I had to wipe myself off and launder the towels, but that's OK. T From tomray@wor710.com Thu Feb 12 18:24:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61444 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 02:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 02:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 02:23:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 02:23:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:23:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3497 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: WOR audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Yet, numerous listener experiences indicate that AM IBOC's encoding > artifacts are the most obvious and objectionable when dealing with a > dry male voice -- exactly what WOR's programming largely consists of. Oh? Any just how many "numerous" listener experiences have there been?? Since I seem to have the only HD radio in the NYC area at the moment, it seems that these "numerous" listeners consist of me, Kerry, some of my neighbors, my family members, and several persons on the WOR staff. None of them object to what they are hearing. As a matter of fact, the Argentinian and Brazilian people I was with today thought it sounded just fine. > > Perhaps you missed the New York Times review, from a listener who > took a "test drive" with the Kenwood IBOC receiver? As she > explained, "there was noticeably less static on WNYC-FM, one of three > New York City stations currently broadcasting HD. But I was surprised > that the music didn't sound richer in digital than in analog. When I > switched to WOR-AM, the difference was more distinct. In analog the > host's voice sounded warm, almost soothing, while in digital, it > sounded harsher and crackly. There was actually less static in > analog than in digital mode." Perhaps you missed that this was a Time Magazine article. And did you drive this lady around for the demo? No. I did. Do you know what her problem with the HD was? The problem was that the HD does not sound like the other AM stations on the dial. Very simply, she had a preconcieved notion of what AM talk should sound like. When I switched to an FM station, she commented on how much like the FM station the HD sounded like. And the "crackly" she was talking about was the host crumpling up a paper in the background....something you don't hear in the analog because the compression masks it. That is what she was hearing and didn't know how to articulate it. I was there. We talked. She wrote in the way she articulates things. Very simply, this woman couldn't grasp the concept of my hands free cell phone adaptor.....punch up the call, talk into thin air.....where is the voice coming from? That totally blew her mind. > > It is no coincidence that the official AM IBOC digital audio samples > on iBiquity's web site, at least since the switch from PAC to HDC, > have never featured any voice content -- just instrumental music. > That's because the difference between conventional AM and HD is much more evident with music, and iBiquity is pushing the music aspect of HD. It has nothing to do with the sound of voice. > And if you want the listener to experience a "decent frequency > response", just tell them to switch over to 770 WABC. On any AM > receiver that has even a _hint_ of audio response above 5 kHz, the > improvement in crispness and clarity is tremendous compared to > WOR's audio. Yeah. If you can hear them. Get into a noisy location and see what they sound like. No compression. No positive peaks above 100%. Yeah. Their audio really impresses me. WOR cuts through the noise and you can hear us where you can no longer hear WABC. Sitting directly in front of their tower on route 17, we're considerably louder than they are and you can actually understand what Bob Grant is saying, as opposed to Sean Hannity who sounds like he is mumbling. Yup. I'm very impressed. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 18:25:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81519 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 02:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 02:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 02:25:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 02:25:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:25:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1077 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.17 Subject: Re: AM Stereo VS IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Yes, I do realize my mistake. It's referred now as "HDC". Which is really just an euphemism for AAC with Spectral Band Replication (SBR) "fake treble" added -- the same as XM satellite radio uses. So, if you have XM, you already know what the digital artifacts from IBOC will sound like -- mostly a kind of harsh, ringy metallic "tinge" to the treble response, due to the false harmonics that SBR creates. Sirius, on the other hand, uses PAC -- Lucent's old codec, which iBiquity was forced to give up after just about everybody gave it a thumbs-down because of its unacceptably poor quality at the low AM bitrate. PAC's artifacts tend to make it sound more "congested", or an "underwater" type of effect, similar to early versions of RealAudio. The PAC development team was actually based at Lucent's offices in my own hometown of Warren, NJ, which operated a 50-watt experimental IBOC test station, WI2XAM on 1700 kHz, for a few months. I wish I could use 50 watts on my own "experimental" AM Stereo station in town, but for now 100 mW will have to do! From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 18:41:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 297 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 02:41:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 02:41:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 02:41:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 02:41:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:41:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040212210600.00a04710@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 276 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.42 Subject: Re: Beep Beep - Long Version X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > Did that file not get uploaded correctly? > I can reupload if need be. That and some others were truncated- I was looking forward to the full stereo version with the intro. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 18:51:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42566 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 02:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 02:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 02:51:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 02:51:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:51:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1171 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.17 Subject: Re: WOR audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > And the "crackly" she was talking about was the host crumpling up a > paper in the background....something you don't hear in the analog > because the compression masks it. That makes no sense. Compression doesn't mask such background noises; it brings them to the forefront. That's the reason why most radio studios are acoustically insulated from their surroundings. Background sounds that normally would be lost in the noise floor get brought up to an audible level by the station's audio processing. What you probably mean is the masking effect of the 5 kHz filter on WOR's analog audio (with IBOC in use). If you cut off all the high frequencies, then the sound of papers being shuffled turns into an indistinct rumble. > Sitting directly in front of their [WABC's] tower on route 17, > we're considerably louder than they are and you can actually > understand what Bob Grant is saying, as opposed to Sean Hannity who > sounds like he is mumbling. Yup. I'm very impressed. I think I'll let audio samples be the judge of that. And WABC sure is suffering in the ratings compared to WOR... I bet their lousy audio is to blame! From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Thu Feb 12 19:13:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5657 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 03:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 03:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 03:13:27 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E33710940C for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757DED70333 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040212222316.02dfe140@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:24:17 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040212210600.00a04710@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Beep Beep - Long Version X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy, which are truncated? If they are ones I uploaded, I can reupload them. John At 02:41 AM 02/13/2004 +0000, you wrote: >That and some others were truncated- I was looking forward to the >full stereo version with the intro. :) > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 12 19:23:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56364 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 03:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 03:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 03:23:24 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCQPXq3amdk0l6ZCHvuMMp9c=">; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:22:39 PST Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JM85ES5H; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:22:39 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:21:57 -0800 Message-ID: <20040212.192157.992.3.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-16 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Info on GE SuperRadio III X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Some time back there was interest in information on the GE SuperRadio III (Model 7-2887) stuff. I have come upon this: Accessories (replacement whip antenna, etc.) may be obtained (via credit card) from: Consumer Electronics - 580-634-0111 Mail Order Department PO Box 8419 Ronks, PA 17573-8419 Service Literature is available from: GE Publications Ordering - 502-491-8110 Don From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Feb 12 19:32:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32498 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 03:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 03:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.194) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 03:32:18 -0000 Received: from storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id C5A3A106A6 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id TAA02067; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:32:17 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRUGR+BGef6qR7AdIEUCubDvv3wXwIUBEA2dBbUsyk3tuDLIevn2DnXwwI= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:32:17 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <9352-402C4541-4246@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 13 Feb 2004 01:41:09 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.194 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Small Market Stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 At least around here ( Omaha, NE ) Only the small AM stations in small towns are doing any thing with AM Stereo examples > WJAG 870 Norfolk, NE Literally a 3 station town. Same with KJAN 1220 in Atlantic, Iowa. ( 2 other non-owned FM's) < KJAN-FM 103.7 became Kat-103 in Omaha. when Valley Broadcasting relocated the FM to Omaha. Valley also owned KOIL at the time and had KXKT 103.7 & KOIL 1290 at the same studio.> KNCY 1600 Nebraska City, FM at Peru, NE ; KTIC/KWPN West Point, NE & Heritage WNAX AM & FM Yankton, SD are all nearby small market combo operations where the AM is Mono, but could add stereo to their AM operations. It is not unusual for these stations to simulcast part of their broadcast day. KNCY AM & FM is 100% simulcast. BTW- Where is "podunkville"?? Is it near "Porkapolis" aka "South Omaha"?? Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 19:52:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25465 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 03:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 03:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11908.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.192) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 03:52:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20040213035253.84722.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.253.100] by web11908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:52:53 PST Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:52:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.192 From: "Tn S." Subject: OT: WGUL-FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Possum Hunter: As far as I can remember, WGUL-FM has had bad audio....Even when they were on 96.1, and when I lived in Gainesville in the late 90s, I used to listen to them on their 104.3 simulcast out of Inglis (which is doing its own thing now)....For some reason they cut their highs off....Not only that, but it seemed that 104.3 was relaying 96.1 OFF AIR, as on tropo days, I'd put 104.3, and instead of WGUL-FM, I'd get 96 K-Rock out of Ft. Myers, or "Lite 96.1" in Jacksonville...But I must admit, I was into the cheesy WGUL presentation, the "Music Of Your Life", and the "Cash Call Jackpot" stuff....My then-girlfriend almost hurt me several times because I used to listen to that station alot (just kidding, but I admit it was not normal for a college student to listen to a station targeted to a 50+ audience). > So far, I have not heard ANY Tampa area station with real good, seductive > audio. Then there's WTMP-FM 96.1 (a former WGUL-FM, as there have been 3: 105.5, 96.1 and 106.3)...WTMP-FM is Mono...How good is their signal in Tampa...Especially New Port Richey? I'm going there for a wedding and would like to get an aircheck of them, but would like to stay in a place where I can get a decent signal. --Tony --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Feb 12 19:55:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31025 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 03:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 03:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 03:55:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 03:55:38 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94995 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 03:18:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 03:18:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 03:18:26 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.9f.439e3443 (17228) for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:18:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9f.439e3443.2d5d9bf6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:18:14 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.5 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: IBOC Bandscan: One Mile from Transmitter Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Feb 2004 03:55:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 I did a bandscan of the 800-900 region of the AM dial at a spot in Richmond Heights, MO, one mile from the KFUO 850 transmitter site on the grounds of Concordia Seminary in Clayton, MO. Here's how the band looked with IBOC (using a Jensen car radio): 800 KREI Farmington, MO (moderate IBOC interference from KFUO) 810 Wiped out by IBOC interference from KFUO 820 Wiped out by IBOC interference from KFUO 830 Wiped out by IBOC interference from KFUO 840 Wiped out by IBOC interference from KFUO 850 KFUO Clayton, MO (muddy audio, no thanks to IBOC) 860 Wiped out by IBOC interference from KFUO 870 Wiped out by IBOC interference from KFUO 880 WCBW Highland, IL (severe IBOC interference from KFUO) 890 Wiped out by IBOC interference from KFUO 900 KFAL Fulton, MO (severe IBOC interference from KFUO) Close to the transmitter site, IBOC sidebands on an average car receiver can waste as much as 100 kHz of spectrum space. This is another reason why the American broadcast industry MUST give up on IBOC, and search for a separate band for digital radio. The NAB has NO CHOICE but to ACCEPT MORE COMPETITION. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 IBOC SUCKS...AM and FM Radio MUST REMAIN ANALOG ONLY! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Feb 12 19:56:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84742 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 03:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 03:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 03:56:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 03:56:06 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94322 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 03:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 03:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 03:41:01 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.13.) id r.da.340b449 (3996) for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:40:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:40:55 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.3 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Feb 2004 03:56:05 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 The best way to save radio is to IMPROVE PROGRAM QUALITY. Christopher Maxwell of the Virginia Center for The Public Press is right...this is NOT A TECHNOLOGY CRISIS...this is a PROGRAMMING CRISIS. Get rid of syndicated programming in most dayparts. Require a minimum amount of eighteen hours of live, local radio per day. If your station refuses to hire an overnight DJ, then your station CANNOT BROADCAST 24 HOURS A DAY. Widen playlists to the maximum number of songs possible without straying from the format. Rely exclusively on chart data to determine playlists, with some local variations. Hire mostly homegrown talent. And broadcast in Stereo on both AM and FM. NO IBOC under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 IBOC SUCKS...AM and FM Radio MUST REMAIN ANALOG ONLY! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pd@96wnjo.com Thu Feb 12 19:57:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pd@96wnjo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86291 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 03:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 03:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 03:57:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 03:57:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:57:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 162 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "wnjo960" X-Originating-IP: 67.83.125.168 Subject: Beatles Stereo Oldie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159836599 X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 In honor of the Fab Four's 40th annaversary here in the states, I uploaded a stereo version of "You Really Got A Hold On Me." 320 kbps, in joint stereo. Enjoy! From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 20:03:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47348 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 04:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 04:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 04:03:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 04:03:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 04:03:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1121 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.42 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > The best way to save radio is to IMPROVE PROGRAM QUALITY. Christopher Maxwell > of the Virginia Center for The Public Press is right...this is NOT A > TECHNOLOGY CRISIS...this is a PROGRAMMING CRISIS. Correct: The current technology, when properly applied, works great. And as everyone else has said, "It's the PROGRAMMING, stupid!" > Get rid of syndicated programming in most dayparts. Require a minimum amount > of eighteen hours of live, local radio per day. If your station refuses to > hire an overnight DJ, then your station CANNOT BROADCAST 24 HOURS A DAY. Widen > playlists to the maximum number of songs possible without straying from the > format. Rely exclusively on chart data to determine playlists, with some local > variations. Hire mostly homegrown talent. And broadcast in Stereo on both AM and > FM. NO IBOC under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. And just where is the money for these things going to come from, ESPECIALLY considering royalty fees? Remember, nothing is free- Somebody has to pay for what you want. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pd@96wnjo.com Thu Feb 12 20:09:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pd@96wnjo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78634 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 04:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 04:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 04:09:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 04:09:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 04:09:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 60 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "wnjo960" X-Originating-IP: 67.83.125.168 Subject: Cant upload file X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159836599 X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 Sorry gang - I cant upload the file. Email for a copy. grrr From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Feb 12 20:16:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70500 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 04:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 04:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 04:16:50 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1D4GnYD025653 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:16:49 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1D4GnKV031436 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:16:49 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1D4GnIj031429 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:16:49 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <1AKS9LAN>; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:16:48 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDAD2@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:16:45 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Subscription radio? Sorry I had to say it! Seriously though, there is probably not enough advertiser income out there in today's marketplace to fund "quality radio" on a large scale - the large corporates would need to accept a drop in net profit of their operations in the short/medium term until the greater listener numbers allowed them to increase their advertising rates. I don't think there is any real incentive for them to change their way of thinking when then can run a station on the smell of an oily rag and just cream off as much profit as possible. I guess the advertisers are the real losers on stations such as these. I wonder if the advertisers ask their customers where they heard about their product as the TSL* on the "jukebox/automated" stations must be terrible. * "Time Spent Listening" - A common radio industry measurement of station performance. :) -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 13 February 2004 2:03 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? And just where is the money for these things going to come from, ESPECIALLY considering royalty fees? Remember, nothing is free- Somebody has to pay for what you want. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 20:18:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98816 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 04:18:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 04:18:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 04:18:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 04:18:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 04:18:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 204 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.42 Subject: Re: Cant upload file X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wnjo960" wrote: > Sorry gang - I cant upload the file. Email for a copy. grrr Did you login as "amstereo" with the password "amstereo"? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 20:30:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10447 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 04:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 04:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 04:30:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 04:30:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 04:30:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDAD2@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1595 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.42 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > > Seriously though, there is probably not enough advertiser income out there > in today's marketplace to fund "quality radio" on a large scale - the large > corporates would need to accept a drop in net profit of their operations in > the short/medium term until the greater listener numbers allowed them to > increase their advertising rates. Correct- There really isn't enough money available at most broadcasters to warrant such expenditures. > I don't think there is any real incentive for them to change their way of > thinking when then can run a station on the smell of an oily rag and just > cream off as much profit as possible. I guess the advertisers are the real > losers on stations such as these. I wonder if the advertisers ask their > customers where they heard about their product as the TSL* on the > "jukebox/automated" stations must be terrible. Correct- There just isn't the kind of momentum to deal with the MASSIVE expenditures necessary to fulfill certain AMSers' wishlists, nor the drive for risktaking. Radio, for all it's worth, today, is done cheaply for "competitive" pricing that just barely pays the bills. It just isn't going to change any time, soon- In fact, it might get worse, just to offset the costs of converting over to IBOC. That's what we have to look forward to. If you want your dream station, it MUST be a labor of love, because there just isn't going to be any money in it-- In fact, it will eat money, just to maintain. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Feb 12 20:53:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58002 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 04:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 04:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 04:53:17 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1D4rGYD029559 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:53:16 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1D4rGx1013828 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:53:16 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1D4rGNM013820 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:53:16 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <1AKS9MWT>; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:53:16 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDAD4@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:53:13 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 I find community stations like WONC have the dream station sound! http://www.wonc.org They have live DJ's and a massive playlist and are run by North Central College. I think they even play real Vinyl, CD's, and use real Cart machines! I want this to be the radio of the future! I'm sure there are a lot more college stations out there like this! -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 13 February 2004 2:31 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? If you want your dream station, it MUST be a labor of love, because there just isn't going to be any money in it-- In fact, it will eat money, just to maintain. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Feb 12 21:48:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37545 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 05:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 05:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 05:48:13 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040213054811.DVKG2425.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:48:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:46:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <072A7DFB-5DE8-11D8-B14E-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.125 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo VS IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 06:25 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > Which is really just an euphemism for AAC with Spectral Band > Replication (SBR) "fake treble" added -- the same as XM satellite > radio uses.=A0 So, if you have XM, you already know what the digital > artifacts from IBOC will sound like -- mostly a kind of harsh, ringy > metallic "tinge" to the treble response, due to the false harmonics > that SBR creates. > One problem here, then, if you are using this as an example of why IBOC=20 sucks ... everyone I know with XM, and it is in the tens, loves it and=20 loves the sound. So is IBOC the same as, worse than, or better than XM? You really can't=20 tell with MP3 samples. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 23:16:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91583 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 07:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 07:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 07:16:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 07:16:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 07:16:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <072A7DFB-5DE8-11D8-B14E-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1262 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.17 Subject: Re: AM Stereo VS IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > So is IBOC the same as, worse than, or better than XM? You really > can't tell with MP3 samples. AM IBOC is 36 kbps; FM IBOC is 96 kbps; and XM is 64 kbps, more or less... so, on AM, it's worse, and on FM, it has the potential to be better. I listened to XM for about two hours in a coworker's car, and the screechy metallic treble literally gave me a headache. This was in a brand new Buick SUV with a good sound system and a quiet ride, so it was a nearly ideal situation in which to listen to XM. And just like IBOC, I blame most of XM's audible artifacts upon its use of SBR "fake treble". Digital audio engineers spent years perfecting anti-aliasing filters in order to reduce distortion and to provide a more "analog-like" sound. But now, SBR turns around and shoves digital aliasing right into your face, because the aliasing distortion can be used to mimic an extended treble response. If there could be some way to turn off the SBR in the receiver, then the quality and richness of the sound would improve dramatically, at the expense of losing the extended treble response. Without SBR, AM IBOC's frequency response would only be about 5 kHz; FM IBOC's response would be 9.5 kHz or so; and XM's response would be roughly 8 kHz. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 12 23:27:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36927 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 07:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 07:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 07:27:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 07:27:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 07:27:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1899 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.13.176 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" > wrote: > > > > Seriously though, there is probably not enough advertiser income > out there > > in today's marketplace to fund "quality radio" on a large scale - > the large > > corporates would need to accept a drop in net profit of their > operations in > > the short/medium term until the greater listener numbers allowed > them to > > increase their advertising rates. > > > Correct- There really isn't enough money available at most > broadcasters to warrant such expenditures. > > > I don't think there is any real incentive for them to change their > way of > > thinking when then can run a station on the smell of an oily rag > and just > > cream off as much profit as possible. I guess the advertisers are > the real > > losers on stations such as these. I wonder if the advertisers ask > their > > customers where they heard about their product as the TSL* on the > > "jukebox/automated" stations must be terrible. > > Correct- There just isn't the kind of momentum to deal with the > MASSIVE expenditures necessary to fulfill certain AMSers' wishlists, > nor the drive for risktaking. Radio, for all it's worth, today, is > done cheaply for "competitive" pricing that just barely pays the > bills. It just isn't going to change any time, soon- In fact, it > might get worse, just to offset the costs of converting over to IBOC. > > That's what we have to look forward to. > > If you want your dream station, it MUST be a labor of love, because > there just isn't going to be any money in it-- In fact, it will eat > money, just to maintain. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Hey Amy and gang. That what mite slow down IBOC because not all stations can't afford to swich to IBOC sence it is so exsenave. Jim s From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 00:02:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32742 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 08:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 08:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 08:02:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20040213080204.69968.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.93] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:02:04 PST Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:02:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <189.24ab0cca.2d5d401e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/12/04 3:19:23 PM Eastern > Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.com > writes: > > > Just wait. I really expect that there will be a > hard > > push for a quick end to analog broadcasting. I do > even > > feel that owning an analog receiver by the GENERAL > > PUBLIC will be made illegal. > > > > I'm trying to understand the reasoning here....but > why would owning an analog > receiver be made illegal of all you'll hear are the > buzzing of digital > carriers? For control and so there will be no chance of going back. Look for it done in the name of "Homeland Security"..... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amstereo@optushome.com.au Fri Feb 13 00:04:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5152 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 08:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 08:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail019.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 08:03:59 -0000 Received: from athlon (c210-49-77-201.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.77.201]) by mail019.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1D83wB06433 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:03:58 +1100 Message-ID: <000701c3f208$0a5ad150$2302a8c0@athlon> To: References: <1076657259.1615.36939.m18@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:04:43 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 211.29.132.73 From: "amstereo" Subject: i have an programming idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e i am a music station listener. and the one format style i have never seen that would work very well, is power radio - that is - songs with alot of heart in it. songs that enwrap you in them - the ones that have soul. celine dion's all coming back or christina agrulera's voice with in, or cutting crews i just died in your arms etc. you know what i mean, songs that leave an impression on your emotions. THIS is what has en missing in radio all these years, anyone can play music, but music that empowers you is what is needed in radio. those songs i listed are only eamples there are so many hits like these that woud make the best radio ever. everything from the 60's on that. there not always soppy, but they touch your heart. a playlist dedicated to these types of tracks would attract so manylisteners, unike these days, you hear one of these tracks then straight in to an over done 80's track it kills the feeling. what do you think? Would you be willing to try this? would you think it would work. I certantly do. I want to MD a station one day. From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 00:04:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1233 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 08:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 08:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 08:04:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20040213080414.70162.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.93] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:04:14 PST Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:04:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo VS IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > No IBOC does NOT use AAC. They were going to. They > > tried their first proprietary codec and it was > dismal. > > The new one called HDC ( I think) is somewhat > similar, > > but most likely not as robust. The original plan > was > > to use the same thing as DRM, but Ibiquity could > get > > more money if they used the Lucent schemes. > > > > The HDC codec is AAC with some minor modifications. > There are many > reasons it was called HDC that I cannot get > into.....but it is an AAC > codec. but I bet your bippy an AAC codec won't touch it. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 00:05:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16164 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 08:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 08:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 08:05:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20040213080557.92122.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.93] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:05:57 PST Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:05:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.85 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > > Maybe some hip waders if the shovel isn't good > enough. > > Powell > The way it's been going, I'm starting to think a > full body suit is in > order! > T Can you sing "Yellow Submarine" ? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 00:10:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37716 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 08:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 08:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 08:10:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 08:10:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:10:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1825 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.86 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > Hey Amy and gang. That what mite slow down IBOC because not all > stations can't afford to swich to IBOC sence it is so exsenave. Not really- Much of what happens with IBOC will happen in the large urban centers, like the D.C-Boston corridor, where it's much like being in a gang: If you don't conform, you get beaten up. In many of these places, just to survive, they may have to adopt IBOC, or risk being smashed by the digital carriers as they clog the bands, or just go out of business altogether. This effectively sets the pace for the smaller urban centers (say, Sacramento) to follow suit just to survive, and so forth down the line. It might take in the process, say, 5 years, just to get to the point where IBOC is inevitable in small markets like Evanston, Wyoming- MJR's neck of the woods, and that, as much as it will be heartbreaking, even KEVA may have to go IBOC, just to stay alive, several years down the road. And then IBOC's proprietary nature expires. Now, do you see why it becomes so devastating to the AM band? Once IBOC is no longer equitable (ie: iBiquity loses the ability to charge hefty fees), it gets dropped, with as much as 5/6 of all AM broadcasters wiped out, leaving only the big broadcasters that can afford to survive. The trouble is, there isn't really much anyone here can do, unless they have loads of money to "contribute" to lawmakers- Which is how the lobby system works in America, unlike some other countries (Australia- Sorry, Ian) which have methods for citizens to petition grievances directly to their governments. The fact that this is not feasable in the US troubles me, as it means only the wealthy and the corporates can afford to lobby. Sad. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 00:24:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46580 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 08:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 08:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 08:24:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 08:24:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:24:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040213080414.70162.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 687 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.17 Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo VS IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > but I bet your bippy an AAC codec won't touch it. But yet there are other choices that would help IBOC to actually sound decent at its ridiculously low bit-rate of 36 kbps. At that rate, Ogg Vorbis, RealAudio 8.0, and Windows Media Audio 9 would all sound lightyears better, and would NOT have the objectionable "fake treble" artifacts. If you have RealPlayer installed, take a listen to BBC Radio 1 or Radio 2's web-cast. At 44 kbps, it totally blows AM IBOC away, and even at 32 kbps, it still sounds much better... it has a rich, natural type of sound which IBOC sorely lacks. Even at 20 kbps, the sound is pleasingly clear and provides sufficient stereo separation. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 13 00:42:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51528 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 08:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 08:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 08:42:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 08:42:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:42:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2846 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.13.176 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: > > > Hey Amy and gang. That what mite slow down IBOC because not all > > stations can't afford to swich to IBOC sence it is so exsenave. > > Not really- Much of what happens with IBOC will happen in the large > urban centers, like the D.C-Boston corridor, where it's much like > being in a gang: If you don't conform, you get beaten up. In many of > these places, just to survive, they may have to adopt IBOC, or risk > being smashed by the digital carriers as they clog the bands, or just > go out of business altogether. > > This effectively sets the pace for the smaller urban centers (say, > Sacramento) to follow suit just to survive, and so forth down the > line. It might take in the process, say, 5 years, just to get to the > point where IBOC is inevitable in small markets like Evanston, > Wyoming- MJR's neck of the woods, and that, as much as it will be > heartbreaking, even KEVA may have to go IBOC, just to stay alive, > several years down the road. > > And then IBOC's proprietary nature expires. > > Now, do you see why it becomes so devastating to the AM band? Once > IBOC is no longer equitable (ie: iBiquity loses the ability to charge > hefty fees), it gets dropped, with as much as 5/6 of all AM > broadcasters wiped out, leaving only the big broadcasters that can > afford to survive. > > The trouble is, there isn't really much anyone here can do, unless > they have loads of money to "contribute" to lawmakers- Which is how > the lobby system works in America, unlike some other countries > (Australia- Sorry, Ian) which have methods for citizens to petition > grievances directly to their governments. The fact that this is not > feasable in the US troubles me, as it means only the wealthy and the > corporates can afford to lobby. > > Sad. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Hey Amy I was just wondering if you would get in to one of the big citys and all the stations are close in distadance and freq. When there will be in a all iboc sichawation would you her all mute or would you hear any of them. And about format i think thats why i still like KFRC AM 610 thay are still holding on to the past a little with live DJ'S all the time 24/7 with the oldies format. I will cry when they go iboc becaue what i understand that there am range will be reduste to a fmer's range. I live about 100 mile from there Berkly tranmmiter site and i rairly get there fm at all if lucky late spring some times in the summer and early fall. There fm trans is in Daily City. And if you want to rant at some at a high levil go to www.fcc.gov and chue out the comishaner because thay as the borg is messing up the am band agan. Jim S From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 06:35:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53240 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 14:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 14:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 14:35:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 14:34:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:34:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c3f208$0a5ad150$2302a8c0@athlon> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 321 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: i have an programming idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > that would work very well, is power radio - that is - songs with alot of > heart in it. songs that enwrap you in them - the ones that have soul. I think you're referring to a Love Songs station...XM has a "Love Songs" channel, and KNOB/97.9 (now Spanish KLAX) in Long Beach/Los Angeles tried it in the 80s. -tony From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 06:37:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55157 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 14:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 14:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 14:37:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 14:36:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:36:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c3f208$0a5ad150$2302a8c0@athlon> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 220 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 Subject: Re: i have an programming idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Almost forgot, Paxson's WILV "Love 101.5" in Tampa did all Love Songs as well in the mid-late 90s before becoming Clear Channel's "Jammin' Oldies" WFJO "Jo 101.5", and now Cox's all 80s WPOI "101-5 The Point". --tony From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Feb 13 08:14:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68486 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 16:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 16:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 16:14:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:14:31 -0800 Received: from 65.136.140.44 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:14:30 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:14:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2004 16:14:31.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[762EF110:01C3F24C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.102 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [65.136.140.44] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Beatles Stereo Oldie-Where??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Sorry, but I cannot seem to find this anywhere in the download sections. Can you help? Thanks, MTGC (Michael) >From: "wnjo960" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Beatles Stereo Oldie >Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:57:35 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 67.83.125.168 >X-Sender: pd@96wnjo.com >Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.68]) by >mc4-f15.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 12 Feb 2004 >20:05:11 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb >2004 03:57:45 -0000 >Received: (qmail 86291 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 03:57:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >13 Feb 2004 03:57:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by >mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 03:57:44 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb >2004 03:57:35 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jE7GeGfiV8YnGPDuK1RoiS5 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-4085512-16358-1076644665-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 >X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-16358-1076644665-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2004 04:05:11.0471 (UTC) >FILETIME=[936D93F0:01C3F1E6] > >In honor of the Fab Four's 40th annaversary here in the states, I >uploaded a stereo version of "You Really Got A Hold On Me." 320 kbps, >in joint stereo. Enjoy! > _________________________________________________________________ Check out the great features of the new MSN 9 Dial-up, with the MSN Dial-up Accelerator. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 08:23:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56650 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 16:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 16:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 16:23:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 16:22:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:22:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5822 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Analog is here to stay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com.... Will IBOC Demand Ever Top Supply? ================================= An Industry Veteran Wonders If Consumers Will Abandon Analog for Pricier Digital by Jim Loupas As the radio industry blithely races toward digital transmission technology, someone has to stop and ask a really simple question: What is the radio audience hearing? The answer is just as simple as the question. For the next 10 years or so, the bulk of the radio audience is going to be hearing analog transmissions. Heresy? Not at all. No matter how marvelous digital radio sounds, or how fast IBOC receivers are produced, consumers are simply not going to rush out and buy newer and more expensive digital receivers to replace the perfectly good analog radios they already own. And even when consumers do purchase new radios, many of them will continue to choose the less expensive, more familiar analog products. We in radio, entranced with our own new technologies, tend to forget that consumers really don't care that much about audio quality. In most cases they are a lot more interested in their jobs, kids, friends and bank balances than digital radio, HDTV, broadband Internet or any other new technology. Eventually, these new technologies will probably dominate their respective markets. But the key word here is eventually. Arbitron doesn't ask whether listening is via digital or analog receiver. If you poll your listeners, most of them probably won't know or care to which type of signal they are listening. I suspect that many consumers are not even aware there is such a thing as digital radio. Unless the FCC establishes a Big Brother-like force of "IBOC Police" to go door-to-door demanding that American citizens give up their analog receivers, the millions of clock, kitchen and car radios in use all over the country will continue to largely outnumber IBOC receivers. Digital may be great, but the radio industry should maintain its analog integrity along with its digital quality. Money for nothing ----------------- Which brings me to my second point. The IBOC system requires receivers to default to analog whenever the digital signal is deficient. So, even when consumers do shell out their precious hard-earned bucks for a new digital radio, poor digital signals can cause even the IBOC receivers to default to analog. What will the consumer hear? Something "funny." They won't know it's the signal flipping back and forth between digital and analog. They'll just know that they've spent a lot of money and your station still doesn't sound right. Digital car radios are likely to present even more problems. The urban environment will cause signal shifts from building clutter while suburbs frequently suffer from distance issues. No matter the cause, the mobile listener will hear those shifts from digital to analog and back again as disturbances to their listening pattern. Punch goes the button. And there goes your quarter hour. Even now, when digital receivers are just beginning to penetrate the vast consumer market, audio quality parity between the analog and digital signals must be made close as possible to minimize the disruptive effects of the default to analog sound. That's important enough to repeat: audio quality parity between analog and digital signals is critical, until the far-off day when there are no more analog radios in your listeners' homes. Most audio processing manufacturers now offer single packages that process the digital and analog signals concurrently. This helps develop the parity required for IBOC receivers. But every radio station must still maintain the analog signal that it needs to compete in its marketplace on a day-to-day basis. Remember, the analog sound will be the one measured most by ARB in the near future. The IBOC receiver manufacturers will probably do a good job of matching the audio properties of the analog and digital elements. But the loudness of each element must also be at parity. What if a receiver defaults from digital to analog and the analog is 30 dB louder? Now that's a great way to screw up quarter-hour performance. As if that isn't enough, remember the sound of traditional car radios differs wildly. Speaker systems, distortion, equalization and bandwidth vary by make of car and by class of car in a fleet. Notice the difference between a Delco radio in a Cadillac, and a Delco radio in a Chevy Nova. And speaking of car radios: there are ugly rumors that some receiver manufacturers may start manufacturing products that present analog default only in mono, or what is optimistically called "blended stereo." Imagine defaulting from digital to analog when the analog is not only 30 dB louder, but in mono. Pray it isn't so. Service first ------------- Here's the bottom line: Digital's great, but every radio station's analog signal will continue to be hugely important in the near future. Processing digital and analog in tandem may work in some situations, but there are many markets and many stations that will have to treat the signals differently to maintain their existing audience. This means using different processors for each system and treating them independently. The listener, after all, is our end user - our customer. The listener's perceptions are what drive our numbers, both in the ratings books and at the bottom line. The listener's convenience and satisfaction are what make a radio station successful. We get lost sometimes in the airy realms of new technology, and we think everybody else cares as much as we do. But do they? Of course not. It's our job to sound good to the listener, no matter what technology or combination of technology is used to receive our signals. It's as simple as that. From stodd@vippn.com Fri Feb 13 08:39:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28175 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 16:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 16:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 16:39:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 16:38:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:38:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 854 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > > How could anyone out in Podunkville, have any idea what is happening > in many major markets right now? They usually do not have any idea > and as such, you have to consider the source when reading the barrage > of crap you get in the way of strange emails and messages when you > honestly try to explain what is happening. > Let's turn that objection on its head- how many of you in the major markets know what's happening out in the sticks? There's a lot of fly-over country out here, and as MJR pointed out, there aren't a lot of bucks for some big IBOC conversion projects. So what do all (or the overwhelming majority) of AMs do in WY, MT, ND, etc? Just shut off? There's only one NYC, only one LA, and a whole lot of in between. Scott Todd From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 08:54:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22733 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 16:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 16:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 16:54:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 16:54:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:53:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 157 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: New FCC proposal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here is John Pavlica's proposal for use of IBOC during the daytime and C-Quam AM Stereo at night: http://tinyurl.com/3gjmg (requires Acrobat PDF viewer) From stodd@vippn.com Fri Feb 13 09:12:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47301 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 17:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 17:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 17:12:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 17:12:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:12:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 584 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Because, will Bob Grant or Michael Savage > sound any better in 15 kHz digital than in 5 kHz analog? Heck no! > (The network feed of Savage's show is extremely poor quality all by > itself!) When was the last time you listened to Savage? TRN went to a higher quality feed some months ago. Usually there are two audio services per channel, but the new TRN takes the whole thing. Unless there's some dueling algorithms somewhere, Savage (and Laura Ingraham) should sound better. Scott Todd From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 10:01:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22945 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 18:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 18:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 18:01:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 18:01:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:01:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1954 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.86 Subject: Re: Analog is here to stay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > From www.radioworld.com.... > > Will IBOC Demand Ever Top Supply? > ================================= Nice to see someone in the professional field has been saying what I have been trying to say- Especially these two parts: > We in radio, entranced with our own new technologies, tend to forget > that consumers really don't care that much about audio quality. In > most cases they are a lot more interested in their jobs, kids, friends > and bank balances than digital radio, HDTV, broadband Internet or any > other new technology. =snip= > Arbitron doesn't ask whether listening is via digital or analog > receiver. If you poll your listeners, most of them probably won't know > or care to which type of signal they are listening. I suspect that > many consumers are not even aware there is such a thing as digital > radio. The Arbitron situation is exactly the same with C-QUAM AM stereo, and it gives AMS stations no clue just what sort of reach they have. As for the digital, the average listener just hears it as increased noise and interference levels, and in the process, will either migrate to a frequency or band with even less interference, or just turn the radio OFF. The digital portion means NOTHING to the consumer, and will, in fact, distract or detract from the listening experience, effectively shoioting radio collectively in the feet. Keep in mind radio listenership is already down dramaticly- Want it to go further? IBOC will do just that! IBOC is too expensive a gamble for everyone- It makes no sense to implement. But just as the article said, the industry is hellbent on getting IBOC on the air, much to trhe detriment to both listeners and broadcasters alike. As long as they're throwing big bucks around to push IBOC, there is nothing we can do but watch commercial broadcasting self-destruct! :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Fri Feb 13 10:11:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15360 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 18:11:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 18:11:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 18:11:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 18:11:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:11:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOW !!!!!! I gess I will be the 500th post. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > close in distance and freq. Just ceareuse. I know can't spell. Jim S > > > Don't worry about your spelling. The message comes though. > With all due respect, Ian, you're dead wrong on this one. While it's true that some brilliant people are lousy spellers, it can greatly hamper their success in life. There's a difference between acceptance and enabling, and unfortunately you fall into the latter. Acceptance takes someone where they're at, but doesn't let them stay that way; enabling does. I'm not content to see him be less than he can be. I realize spelling may not be that easy for you, Jimbo, but definitely work on it so that your genius is more easily recognizable to those who don't know you as well as we do. Take advantage of your spell-check and look at the word for several seconds once it's corrected. And if you have trouble with homonyms, perhaps I can help you there. EG- Capitol with an O is the building with the big round DOME; capital with an A is for All other uses. Scott Todd From stodd@vippn.com Fri Feb 13 10:16:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30066 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 18:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 18:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 18:16:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 18:16:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:16:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 552 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why are we here? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > Those who love AM stereo must take up a lobbyist approach now! Would that we had the numbers to BE an effective lobby... I think Amy's earlier suggestion that we lap up all the AMS gear we can for future use is about all we can do now, and I've got some engineers for other networks doing some scouting for me. How's that stack up in your opinion? Scott Todd PS- should be getting phone service back sometime next week, so I can be a more regular player here again. From krichards@wor710.com Fri Feb 13 10:17:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71435 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 18:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 18:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 18:17:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 18:15:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:15:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5280 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Here we go again with the same barrage of audio quality complaints from the same folks who have NEVER heard an HD Radio. Yet, the NRSC rolled off high end of C-Quam with pops, clicks, and buzzing in the canyons of NYC is still more pleasing to him. He claims C-Quam is an audiophile quality product while anything else unless it meets his "expectations" is not. The resident self proclaimed audio expert who says his ears were hurt by listening to an XM reciever somehow thinks HD sounds the same. It's laughable, mainly because his opinions mean NOTHING! Who cares what he thinks? The only useful purpose they serve is to distort and confuse those who are trying to deduce what is actually happening. Other than the fact if you make a factual statement he will do anything he can to come up with what he seems to think is a snappy unflattering remark about anything he does not like. Where is the logic in this? For someone who apparently has no experience in Broadcast Audio he thinks anything he claims is a fact. This is the sign of someone who makes plain old crazy claims and will do anything, including making things up in an attempt to prove his point. Such an insecure and immature way of dealing with others. It's really sad because if he would put his efforts twoards some useful purpose with the same amount of vigor, I'm sure the results would be quite positive. Having said that, I only need refer him to the bottom line here at WOR, we are quite a profitable and independent operation. The bottom line kinda says it all. Same for WFAN, who have no ratings, yet, they billed almost $50 million last year alone (and that was a bad year for them). But in his opinion, WOR, due to HD Radio, and WFAN because they turned off the C-Quam in his eyes are low rated, unprofitable, and unlistenable stations. He even goes on to make crazy claims with all his knowledge about the various digital codecs themselves, making statements which he claims everyone can hear and therefore making these new systems too horrible to listen to. If this was in fact the case, how does he and others explain the fact that the FCC, the NAB, major manufacturers, and broadcasters have embraced this new approach to AM Stereo? Does he think these people are idiots? Apparently so, because in his little world none of these new technolgies are any good and do not work. Even more laughable, are his claims our ratings are bad due to HD Radio. We are not even trying for the same demographic in most cases as some of our competitors, and because he has never seen the actual ratings or diary books from Arbitron, he has no idea in what demos we do well in. Only what he makes up, or reads elsewhere, which is really none of his business in the first place. There are a lot of Good engineers here on this board, the discourse can be useful and entertaining, but who needs the baloney? We sometimes see the confusion he has created here from those who log on and ask a reasonable question, and then get sidetracked, attacked, or otherwise mislead by this so called expert and his friends. The worst are those who complain that AM radio is dead from the programming, what does this have to do with any kind of AM Stereo in the first place? I have a great deal of respect for those stations BIG and SMALL who really try and do a good job serving their communities. Even in Podunkville you can still make a profit, serve your community, and enjoy doing it. This is very obvious from many who post here. In some respects those operating in Podunkville may be able to do a better job than those in the big markets, it's the nature of this business. Here at WOR we have in the past months been providing important school closing info each morning during the recent bad weather. This takes a lot of air time, effort and money and we think we do a good job. How many of you small town engineers are providing the same kind of community support at your station, which is expected and demanded by your listeners? This is above and beyond all the other things we do here at WOR for our listeners, which in case he does not think so, are in the millions. Local AM Radio is an important resource in many communities of all sizes, and at the same time can be a profitable and engaging business oppourtunity. Our focus here is how to deliver a competitive AM Stereo audio signal to the radio, whether by HD or C-Quam, which are the only tools we currently have to do this with. Yes, there are major differences, and yes the issues of signal delivery are technically engaging and problematic. But, in our business the Marketplace has generally determined the direction we as BROADCASTERS take on many matters and issues of what the public wants and does not want. Not made up useless data, phony claims, and plain old baloney. Now that more and more stations are turning off the C-Quam and he is finding less and less C-Quam stations to listen to in the middle of New Jersey, the amount of baloney has increased, what else would you expect from this source? Well for starters, no respect for ANYONE or ANYTHING he does not like. Just baloney! Kerry Richards Chief Engineer WOR-AM Buckley Broadcasting Corporation From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Feb 13 10:29:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60063 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 18:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 18:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 18:29:27 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.13.) id r.c3.3de2fb8f (4410) for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:29:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:29:22 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.3 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why are we here? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/13/04 1:17:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, stodd@vippn.co= m=20 writes: > Would that we had the numbers to BE an effective lobby...&nbsp; I thi= nk=20 > Amy's earlier suggestion that we lap up all the AMS gear we can for=20 > future use is about all we can do now, and I've got some engineers=20 > for other networks doing some scouting for me.&nbsp; How's that stack= up=20 > in your opinion? >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > PS- should be getting phone service back sometime next week, so I can=20 > be a more regular player here again. >=20 Scouting up all of the unused gear is one thing....but who is gonna pay for= =20 the gear once its found? I've got this dude named "bill" and his many frien= ds=20 named "bill1","bill2" and so on and so on....and they always leave right af= ter=20 they get here with MY money. Dog gone varmits..they just cant seem to ever= =20 leave me alone [grin]. Get that service back up and running!,..It'll be great to have you back in= =20 the spin more often here. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Fri Feb 13 10:41:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18326 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 18:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 18:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 18:41:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 18:41:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:41:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1006 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: (AM only) Tube Tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > << I had thought about converting it to AM stereo with one of Chris > Cuffs decoders but that would bypass the audio tube output so I > decided to leave it as is. >> > > Is this a problem with ALL tube conversions? Isn't there a way to > retain that warm tube sound with AM Stereo? If it's strictly a *tuner* (no power amp), it would be fairly feasable to duplicate the audio stages on an outboard chassis for the extra channel. Whether or not you have the skills and tools to make it look anything special is another matter. Then you'd either have to find a stereo volume control to replace the mono one, or else resign yourself to controlling the channels independently. Still that wouldn't be a huge problem if you're controlling the volume from a separate power amp. If there's a built-in power amp stage, forget it unless you can find a junk chassis with good power and audio transformers. Scott Todd From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Feb 13 10:48:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92795 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 18:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 18:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 18:48:41 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.103.3f332ef0 (4410) for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:48:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <103.3f332ef0.2d5e7607@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:48:39 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.6 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/13/04 1:20:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 krichards@wor710.com writes: > There are a lot of Good engineers here on this board, the discourse=20 > can be useful and entertaining, but who needs the baloney? >=20 Useful..Yes Entertaining..99% of the time Baloney?...hehehe,garbage in garbage out from the loony crowd. I figured with being here I can use the knowledge gained and use it for whe= n=20 I decide to become a psychiatric doctor.The nuttiness that often rolls this= =20 way is mind boggling.....especially from those "the sky is falling,AM/FM ra= dio=20 is dead" type of thinkers. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Fri Feb 13 11:07:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60635 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 19:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 19:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 19:07:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 19:07:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:07:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 495 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why are we here? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > Scouting up all of the unused gear is one thing....but who is gonna pay for > the gear once its found? I've got this dude named "bill" and his many friends > named "bill1","bill2" and so on and so on....and they always leave right after > they get here with MY money. I'm in the same boat with you on that one. If I had to pay for very much of it I couldn't do it, but some of it is being "donated" to my collection. Scott From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 11:07:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29896 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 19:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 19:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 19:07:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 19:07:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:07:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1497 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.86 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why are we here? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereodude" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson > wrote: > > > Those who love AM stereo must take up a lobbyist approach now! > > Would that we had the numbers to BE an effective lobby... I think > Amy's earlier suggestion that we lap up all the AMS gear we can for > future use is about all we can do now, and I've got some engineers > for other networks doing some scouting for me. How's that stack up > in your opinion? And as I said in another post, although buried, that the lobbying mechanism in the US is very different from the Australian/Canadian model, which DOES alow for a more direct participation level by their citizens, something not as easy to do in the US. It takes money- ALOT of it- to get heard by our elected officials in Washington, and in all honesty, we are NOWHERE near as capable of making such an effort as the corporates and NAB can do. We're outnumbered and outgunned. We have no choice but retreat and preserve for that future day. IBOC -will- run its course, it's just a matter of time riding out the storm. But we CAN do it! We MUST! I will do all I can to preserve the knowledge and technology in my own way, and if I had my way (and what money I can get by, which is not much), I would also be willing to care for some AMS equipment. I want to keep the AMS dream alive, and the pilot lights lit for future generations. I care. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 11:10:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19988 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 19:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 19:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 19:10:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 19:10:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:10:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 970 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Well for starters, no respect for ANYONE or > ANYTHING he does not like. Just baloney! First of all, Kerry, nobody here is going to kiss your feet just because you are the chief engineer of a #1 market station. If you want our respect, you have to earn it. And, like it or not, your ranting, raving, and personal attacks have earned you no respect -- at least not from me. If you are not prepared to respond to criticism of IBOC and WOR in a tolerant and level-headed manner, then perhaps you should reconsider your participation here. As engineer of what is probably the most prominent AM IBOC station in the world, it is not wise for you to take our criticism so personally and then lash out against it. Instead, if you wish to dispute what any of us have said, then you must be prepared to do so on a level-headed basis, with sufficient facts and proof to support your claims... because "I'm an Engineer, I know better than you!" just doesn't cut it. From krichards@wor710.com Fri Feb 13 11:31:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44331 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 19:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 19:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 19:31:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 19:31:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:31:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2538 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Again we see your avoidance of the issue, we have extreme respect for those who have valuable and worthwhile input here. At WOR, Tom as well as myself have had an open door policy regarding any and all of WOR's technical operations, including our phone numbers and email. WE have hosted several SBE meetings and extended our efforts to all who wished to participate. But from You, Kevin Tekel, self proclaimed expert, only insults, baloney, no respect, and a lot of B.S. to any engineer who has anything positive to say about anything you do not like on this forum. I'll be happy to put my years of experience in all matters, including those of life experience up against your blithering, moaning, and continuing baloney. As I have said before "If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen". You want to criticise me and others here and not take the heat for it. Yet we have an open door policy here at WOR, and have shared our data, even to you, and somehow you still do not get it. Nothing in your reply has anything to do with the matters at hand on this forum, namely HD radio or C-Quam, you merely want to come up with what you think is a snappy and smart reply, which you think somehow justifies your position. Well guess what...it doesn't. And your reply which I more or less expected to be of the nature in which it was delivered only further demonstrates my points made here previously. More Baloney. Kerry..... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Well for starters, no respect for ANYONE or > > ANYTHING he does not like. Just baloney! > > First of all, Kerry, nobody here is going to kiss your feet just > because you are the chief engineer of a #1 market station. If you > want our respect, you have to earn it. And, like it or not, your > ranting, raving, and personal attacks have earned you no respect -- > at least not from me. > > If you are not prepared to respond to criticism of IBOC and WOR in a > tolerant and level-headed manner, then perhaps you should reconsider > your participation here. As engineer of what is probably the most > prominent AM IBOC station in the world, it is not wise for you to > take our criticism so personally and then lash out against it. > > Instead, if you wish to dispute what any of us have said, then you > must be prepared to do so on a level-headed basis, with sufficient > facts and proof to support your claims... because "I'm an Engineer, > I know better than you!" just doesn't cut it. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 11:55:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69206 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 19:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 19:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 19:55:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 19:55:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:55:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 999 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.86 Subject: Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > More Baloney. You know, it's a damn good thing I'm not a moderator, here- Just a mouse, and all that entails (if you pardon the pun)- Or I would see to it that BOTH of you be put in Moderated mode, until such time BOTH of you could be civil to each other and others, here. This is very tiring, even annoying- I'm here to relax, share and learn with others like me who love AM stereo, NOT to argue and sling insults. I do, however, agree with Mr. Tekel on this matter: You EARN respect, not command or demand it, just because of what you are. And frankly, Mr. Richards, you haven't earned it, at least from me. Other than that, I'm staying out of this like a good mouse, and sticking with what I care about- AM stereo, stereo oldies, and so forth. Now, please- Both of you- Play nice, so we all can try to enjoy what we have left. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Glad I'm 3000 miles away from the NY/NJ metro area!) From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 12:25:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72329 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 20:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 20:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 20:25:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 20:25:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:25:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 376 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 You know what I like about Kevin?? He's put up with alot from Kerry, and he hasn't kicked him out yet... There was, erm, another list where the moderator took a "Fidel Castro"-like attitude and started cutting out those who said anything against him....The list eventually withered away into nothingness... Kevin, thanks for keeping the spirit of Democracy alive. -Tony From krichards@wor710.com Fri Feb 13 12:26:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75133 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 20:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 20:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 20:26:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 20:26:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:26:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2324 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Mr. Mouse, I'm sorry to offend, but how would you like it someone kept accusing you of things that were just plain false. The best one is Kevin's claims about WOR's audio bandwidth, we know what it is set at, but he claims otherwise. Then he continues to insult me and other engineers here, by making claims so crazy that they defy common sense. We do not like this. Kevin likes to throw sand in the playbox, but when somone throws it at him he runs home and cries to Mommy. It's nuts. It would be one thing if he and others would make rational statements based on facts in the real world, but when Tom and I get over 50 crazy emails from posting here, we do not run and hide. Have you let the public at large into your facility like WOR? Have you been on the cutting edge of any new technology that you wanted to share with others? We do not mind taking some heat, as I said here before, there are a few crazies out there, but now with C-Quam stations droppoing like flies, Kevin's claims and responses are so illogical that he has stirred up some crazy element that has continued to attack me and other enginners here. It's just a plain shame. Kerry..... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" > wrote: > > > More Baloney. > > You know, it's a damn good thing I'm not a moderator, here- Just a > mouse, and all that entails (if you pardon the pun)- Or I would see > to it that BOTH of you be put in Moderated mode, until such time BOTH > of you could be civil to each other and others, here. > > This is very tiring, even annoying- I'm here to relax, share and > learn with others like me who love AM stereo, NOT to argue and sling > insults. > > I do, however, agree with Mr. Tekel on this matter: You EARN respect, > not command or demand it, just because of what you are. And frankly, > Mr. Richards, you haven't earned it, at least from me. > > Other than that, I'm staying out of this like a good mouse, and > sticking with what I care about- AM stereo, stereo oldies, and so > forth. > > Now, please- Both of you- Play nice, so we all can try to enjoy what > we have left. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Glad I'm 3000 miles away from the NY/NJ metro area!) From tomray@wor710.com Fri Feb 13 12:43:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84408 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 20:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 20:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 20:43:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 20:43:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:43:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2083 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: WOR audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > That makes no sense. Compression doesn't mask such background > noises; it brings them to the forefront. That's the reason why most > radio studios are acoustically insulated from their surroundings. > Background sounds that normally would be lost in the noise floor get > brought up to an audible level by the station's audio processing. It makes plenty of sense if you know how compression works. Let's use the peaks of the announcer's voice as a reference of 0dB. If the threshold on the compressor is set to -20dB, audio that exceeds this threshold will then cause an overall gain reduction. So the announcer's voice will reduce the overall gain by 20dB. That means that anything that may be in the background while he is talking will also be attenuated by 20 dB....therefore, the compression is masking the background sounds. > > What you probably mean is the masking effect of the 5 kHz filter on > WOR's analog audio (with IBOC in use). If you cut off all the high > frequencies, then the sound of papers being shuffled turns into an > indistinct rumble. That is not what I meant. See my statement above. > > I think I'll let audio samples be the judge of that. And > WABC sure is suffering in the ratings compared to WOR... I bet their > lousy audio is to blame! But wait. Aren't you and others saying that content is what counts? If that is the case, what does the audio have to do with it?? No....WOR's ratings issues right now have nothing to do with the on air audio. There are deeper issues that are out of my office. And don't forget that audio is subjective. What you might like, I might not. I will say, however, that I have set up the processing on more #1 stations in more cities in the US than you have listened to in a lifetime, and my credentials speak for themselves. Mention my name in almost any radio station in the US and you will find that I am well known and well respected. Can you say the same? From tomray@wor710.com Fri Feb 13 12:47:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42006 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 20:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 20:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 20:47:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 20:47:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:47:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040213080557.92122.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 524 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Tom Ray wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > > III W4OPW" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Maybe some hip waders if the shovel isn't good > > enough. > > > > Powell > > > > The way it's been going, I'm starting to think a > > full body suit is in > > order! > > > T > > > Can you sing "Yellow Submarine" ? > I was thinking of a slightly darker color....... T From tomray@wor710.com Fri Feb 13 12:49:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35113 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 20:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 20:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 20:49:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 20:49:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:49:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 480 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.208.49 Subject: Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereodude" wrote: > When was the last time you listened to Savage? TRN went to a higher > quality feed some months ago. Usually there are two audio services > per channel, but the new TRN takes the whole thing. Unless there's > some dueling algorithms somewhere, Savage (and Laura Ingraham) should > sound better. I think Savage comes into TRN on a poor quality G.722 codec. It really has a funk to it. T From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 12:54:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91005 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 20:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 20:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 20:54:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 20:54:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:54:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 381 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: WOR audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 I don't know what WOR(AM) sounds like on the air (I'm in Miami and I have a local 710), but I will say this...From my early days in radio board op'ing at WRUF in Gainesville, the WOR network feed was one of the better frequency response wise...We ran Joy Browne and the Dolans and the audio was better than WW1/Talknet, CBS, Mutual and most of the others that we ran. --tony From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Feb 13 13:34:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88453 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 21:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 21:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 21:34:15 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040213213413.FFUZ5698.fed1mtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:34:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:30:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.123 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For the record, I respect Kerry and Tom highly. Richard On Friday, February 13, 2004, at 11:10 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > > Well for starters, no respect for ANYONE or > > ANYTHING he does not like. Just baloney! > > First of all, Kerry, nobody here is going to kiss your feet just > because you are the chief engineer of a #1 market station.=A0 If you > want our respect, you have to earn it.=A0 And, like it or not, your > ranting, raving, and personal attacks have earned you no respect -- > at least not from me. > > If you are not prepared to respond to criticism of IBOC and WOR in a > tolerant and level-headed manner, then perhaps you should reconsider > your participation here.=A0 As engineer of what is probably the most > prominent AM IBOC station in the world, it is not wise for you to > take our criticism so personally and then lash out against it. > > Instead, if you wish to dispute what any of us have said, then you > must be prepared to do so on a level-headed basis, with sufficient > facts and proof to support your claims... because "I'm an Engineer, > I know better than you!" just doesn't cut it. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougharding@mindspring.com Fri Feb 13 13:42:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14433 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 21:42:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 21:42:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 21:42:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 21:41:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:41:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006001c3f1bf$34a54600$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1092 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: {AMSF} Re: (AM only) Tube Tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding The problem I see is mine is not a mono am/ stereo fm tuner. It is mono AM only. There is only one tube audio output channel. That is why without going solid state at some point in the audio chain I cannot preserve the pure tube sound using one of your decoders chris. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Of course- you have to think of the decoder as a detector- which it is- and > there have been solid state diode detectors in tube tuners for years. Many > people have converted tube tuners and all-tube receivers with very good > results. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Douglas B. > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 6:19 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: (AM only) Tube Tuners > > > > << I had thought about converting it to AM stereo with one of Chris > > Cuffs decoders but that would bypass the audio tube output so I > > decided to leave it as is. >> > > > > Is this a problem with ALL tube conversions? Isn't there a way to > > retain that warm tube sound with AM Stereo? > > From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Fri Feb 13 14:22:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22194 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 22:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 22:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO twix.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 22:22:47 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CEACCD727C9 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:12:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E574A1A015A for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040213173010.01e758f0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:33:39 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.71 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Dancing in The Moonlight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Hi. I used SF to fix the glitch of Dancing In The Moonlight. You'll see it as: King Harvest - Dancing n the Moonlight (stereo - Manually Fixed by JH_Radio).mp3 in the Stereo Oldies uploads folder. John From pd@96wnjo.com Fri Feb 13 15:00:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pd@96wnjo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3638 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 23:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 23:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 23:00:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 23:00:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:00:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 36 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "wnjo960" X-Originating-IP: 67.83.125.168 Subject: Beatles Stereo Oldie Uploaded! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159836599 X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 its uploaded! A million thanks Amy! From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Feb 13 16:01:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41720 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 00:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 00:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 00:01:34 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.78.507876f2 (4410) for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:01:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <78.507876f2.2d5ebf58@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:01:28 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.6 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why is everbody so down on C-Quam?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/13/04 3:53:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 tomray@wor710.com writes: > I think Savage comes into TRN on a poor quality G.722 codec. It=20 > really has a funk to it. >=20 > T >=20 Yes it does. Being a Savage/TRN affiliate here as well,alot of the programi= ng=20 coming down the pike has something about that has a funk about it. Overall though the quality has improved when the upgrade to their Starguide= =20 channel took place. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 16:23:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51482 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 00:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 00:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 00:23:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 00:23:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:23:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 133 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.5 Subject: Re: Psychobabble Galore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Kevin, thanks for keeping the spirit of Democracy alive. Just remember... people who live in stone houses shouldn't throw glass. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 16:32:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17878 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 00:32:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 00:32:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 00:32:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 00:32:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:32:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040213173010.01e758f0@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 372 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.86 Subject: Re: Dancing in The Moonlight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > Hi. I used SF to fix the glitch of Dancing In The Moonlight. > You'll see it as: > King Harvest - Dancing n the Moonlight (stereo - Manually Fixed by JH_Radio).mp3 > in the Stereo Oldies uploads folder. > John Thanks, and thanks for the complete upload of "Beep Beep". :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 16:33:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18700 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 00:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 00:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 00:33:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 00:33:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:33:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 125 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.86 Subject: Re: Beatles Stereo Oldie Uploaded! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wnjo960" wrote: > its uploaded! A million thanks Amy! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 16:45:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97296 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 00:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 00:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 00:45:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 00:45:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:45:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1032 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.86 Subject: Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > Mr. Mouse, It's Amy, please. =snip= > It's nuts. > > It would be one thing if he and others would make rational statements > based on facts in the real world, but when Tom and I get over 50 > crazy emails from posting here, we do not run and hide. =snip= This does not excuse the behavior of EITHER of you, nor shall I take sides on the matter. I would prefer that if you two are going to argue, to take it off-list so we wouldn't have to deal with the back- and-forth, and at least have more reasonable discussions. It's behavior like this that causes me to lose respect for others, and to be honest, I would like to be respectful. Now, please- BOTH of you- Lay off, OK? I don't care WHO started this first- I consider that a childish excuse. Just please- Be civil to each other and to others, here? I don't want to think of this forum turning into the flamefests others had become. It does none of us any good. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 16:46:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47113 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 00:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 00:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 00:46:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 00:46:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:46:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1883 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.5 Subject: Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm sorry to offend, but how would you like it someone kept > accusing you of things that were just plain false. The best one is > Kevin's claims about WOR's audio bandwidth, we know what it is set > at, but he claims otherwise. That's because what I claim is 100% TRUE. For the love of GOD... just take a flippin' spectrum analyzer and look at your station's audio... it's 5 kHz with the IBOC on, 6.2 kHz with the IBOC off. And if you have anything better than tin-can ears, you can even HEAR the difference... just listen at 6 PM when the IBOC flips off. You can CLEARLY hear the audio bandwidth open up a notch as it steps up that extra 1.2 kHz. I know you say your Optimod is set to 6.2 kHz bandwidth full-time, and I don't doubt that... but it doesn't matter; whenever it's in "AAB=0" mode, the IBOC exciter imposes a 5 kHz filter on the incoming analog audio. Thus, you could bypass the Optimod's filtering entirely and you would still only get 5 kHz analog audio when the IBOC is on! If you want to continually delude yourself on this issue, I can't force you to think otherwise... but I will NOT back down and accept your allegation that I'm "just plain false". This reminds me of a guy who bought a Ford Pinto with a "V8" badge on it... if anybody tried to explain to him that Ford never made a Pinto with a V8 engine, he would argue until he was blue in the face that his car did indeed have a V8, because the badge said so -- even though if he actually popped the hood and looked at the engine, he would only see four cylinders. Let me say it again, folks -- as of February 13, 2004, WOR's analog audio bandwidth is 5 kHz with the IBOC on, and 6.2 kHz with the IBOC off. And I'm willing to bet the cost of a complete Kenwood HD Radio receiver setup ($500.00) on this. You think I'm wrong, Kerry? Then put your money where your mouth is! From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Fri Feb 13 17:03:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48287 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 01:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 01:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 01:03:36 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EED5071FC5 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3DD01A0182 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:40:09 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040213200218.034b3e28@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:14:24 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Argument/IBOC/Anolog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. Is it me or have like half the people on this list kinda in hiding? People that used to post here before all of this IBOC stuff started are now like not posting. Sad. I'm not the moderated but I can't help but wonder if people have left over all of this. Speaking for myself, I can't say how IBOC really sounds. First off WOR is not my format. Second off, I just hope that my Yamaha T-85, SONY SRF-42, Winagard Antenna, and Select-A-Tenna won't be worseliss in a few years. All together, that's over $1000 that I hope won't be pointlessly spent and put in a trash can. Now I've never heard IBOC in action, but I have to ask. What's going to happen to the millions of analog radios if this all gets taking over by IBOC? Seems a lot of radios are being made analog, and that IBOC would take a long long time to catch on unless the FCC mandates it. If that were to happen would there be a public outrage? People seem to except HDTV without question, even though you can still get TV's without HD. I can say that without a doubt AM Stereo and FM Stereo as it is sounds fine by me. AM Stereo with better separation in my opinion. No one else seems to know that it exist, though. Yeah sure there are the IBOC samples, but that really doesn't help when its a format I don't know, and I can't compare whatever side by side in stereo. Also, I'm not going to rush out and buy an IBOC receiver, not at the prices Ken wood wants for these things. Too much mula. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Feb 13 17:10:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34924 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 01:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 01:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 01:10:00 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.dd.3537202 (4410) for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:09:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:09:46 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.100 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/13/04 3:58:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 bossmsx2@yahoo.com writes: > I don't know what WOR(AM) sounds like on the air (I'm in Miami and I=20 > have a local 710), Here in Eastern NC where you can hear WOR almost 24/7,you can tell that the= re=20 is a more narrow passage of audio when compared to other stations. I will say that compared to back when the IBOC conversion was done,there wa= s=20 what sounded like to me a bit of distortion.....something that is -not- hea= rd=20 today. Again,improvements in HD technology has helped in that regard.I'm sure as=20 time goes along further improvements will be noticed across the line.Patien= ce is=20 the key. Night-time comparisons of WOR up agaisnt my station locally,WBT and=20 WTOP...for talk radio WOR sounds ok and clear to me and jumps out and off o= f the radio=20 dial. but I will say this...From my early days in radio=20 >=20 > board op'ing at WRUF in Gainesville, the WOR network feed was one of=20 > the better frequency response wise...We ran Joy Browne and the Dolans=20 > and the audio was better than WW1/Talknet, CBS, Mutual and most of=20 > the others that we ran. >=20 I concur. Other and unnamed networks often seem to me make the show host=20 sound as if he/she is trying to fight his/her way out of a barrel. Processi= ng and=20 a bit of EQing here has to try and "fix" if you will, what sounds rough on= =20 some networks. Now......something that is about to get under my skin here. Seems as of late the list has suddenly incorporated a few amateur experts=20 that want to disspell what those actually working in the radio industry are= =20 saying. I could understand the agruements and different points of view if they were= =20 coming from someone within the industry..someone that has test equipement t= o=20 accurately see for themselves what is going on over the air,someone that ha= s=20 performed a hands on IBOC roll out and install themselves and the whole nin= e=20 yards. Yes there are still imperfections. Imperfections can be found in any and=20 everything. We all have opinions about HD.Some opinions are sensibly thought out and=20 reasoned and people ask questions to LEARN more about the system. Then you have the few that want to start the belittling and short of child= =20 like name calling, saying no respect is being shown here by a few or all=20 engineers on this board. I say its the other way around. -We- meaning the engineers here,dont have to be here in this group.Some are= =20 here just to lurk..some are here because of C-Quam and some of us are here = for=20 the advancement of AM Stereo,the industry and our livelihoods. You folks that want to shoot the messager,take things to heart -way to=20 seriously- and bitch and moan non-stop about this and that and the other ne= ed to=20 take a time out,take a chill pill and open your eyes a little more. IBOC is not the end of the world nor is it or will it be the end of AM radi= o=20 or radio in general like all of the nay sayers are screaming and crying abo= ut. HD radio is still in its infancy for all practical purposes...there will be= =20 things that wont sound quite right,there will be improvements and in the en= d it=20 will all work it self out. It always does so. Besides,if the nay sayers had their way when the T-model Ford was=20 invented..we would still be getting around either on foot or by horse and b= uggy. In closing....all of us here that work in the radio biz are no where near=20 right in everything we say or do...we are not always in the know about ever= ything=20 nor do we know or proclaim to know everything.We learn new things everyday= =20 ourselves. So ease up on the B.S. as it is uncalled for here. I'm here to learn about the changes that are about to happen to radio...AM= =20 and FM. I'm not here for the soap opera and to learn who just escaped from = the=20 mental wards. I'm here to help whoever I can as well if you have a technical issue. But if you want to sling crap...I'll have to call you down for what you are= =20 and then put you in a SPAM filter. Bottom line....keep it civil.There are no enemies here. Opinions and facts stated are mine and mine alone and do not reflect anyone= =20 or anything that I'm associated with. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 17:13:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35014 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 01:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 01:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 01:13:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 01:13:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:13:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040213200218.034b3e28@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 687 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: Re: Argument/IBOC/Anolog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > Hi. > Is it me or have like half the people on this list kinda in hiding? > People that used to post here before all of this IBOC stuff started are now like not posting. > Sad. I'm not the moderated but I can't help but wonder if people have left over all of this. Not really- We're currently at 261, and that's at least 100 more than it was when this spat first started at least a year ago. I'm not the moderator, either- Kevin T. is. And only about 20-30 here actually ever post- The rest just lurk or are looking for any new files in the files section. Anyhoo... Cheese time. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From matthew.trim@eds.com Fri Feb 13 17:21:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3467 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 01:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 01:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 01:21:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 01:21:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:21:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 791 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 203.12.164.5 Subject: Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Perhaps if Kerry agrees to your "challenge", instead of $500 cash WOR can set you up with a Visteon HD Radio in your VW so you can monitor the HD signal for them and report back any dead spots / bad reception areas and keep tabs on the audio quality for them. At least you can keep us up to date with HD Airchecks and coverage reports that way so we can make an informed decision on HD. =) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Let me say it again, folks -- as of February 13, 2004, WOR's analog audio bandwidth is 5 kHz with the IBOC on, and 6.2 kHz with the IBOC off. And I'm willing to bet the cost of a complete Kenwood HD Radio receiver setup ($500.00) on this. You think I'm wrong, Kerry? Then put your money where your mouth is! From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 17:31:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16425 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 01:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 01:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 01:31:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 01:31:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:31:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 600 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bofh2k2000" wrote: > Perhaps if Kerry agrees to your "challenge", instead of $500 cash > WOR can set you up with a Visteon HD Radio in your VW so you can > monitor the HD signal for them and report back any dead spots / bad > reception areas and keep tabs on the audio quality for them. > > At least you can keep us up to date with HD Airchecks and coverage > reports that way so we can make an informed decision on HD. > > =) Matt, I'm gonna say this- This is a BRILLIANT idea! What say you, Tom, Kerry and Kevin? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Feb 13 17:31:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9774 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 01:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 01:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 01:31:35 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:31:35 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:31:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WOR audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well-said, Bob. I still and always will owe you a wealth of gratitude for the help you provided me with our stereo conversion. I apologize if I've acted like a child and took things too personally. It's not often I get personally attacked here on this list...or feel like I've been. I'm usually one of the good guys that everyone likes. I like to think I'm pretty smart and pretty technically inclined, even though not a TRUE engineer. Every once in a while someone comes along and says exactly the right thing to make me feel very small and belittled....like I don't know what I'm talking about. I guess if I KNOW what I'm talking about and I KNOW that I'm doing a good job serving my community well (which is what a radio station is supposed to do), and I KNOW that my station sounds damn good, then it shouldn't matter what others think and I shouldn't let it get to me. Apologies to everyone for my spouting out. Michael -----Original Message----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com [mailto:KC4QLP@aol.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 6:10 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR audio Bottom line....keep it civil.There are no enemies here. Opinions and facts stated are mine and mine alone and do not reflect anyone or anything that I'm associated with. Bob Carter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Feb 13 17:34:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1283 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 01:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 01:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 01:34:39 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:34:38 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:34:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think he'll do it. As many times as they've invited him over there to shoot the bull and see all of the equipment live and in action, he refuses to go. And has pretty much never come clean to all of us about why. Just won't go. I truly wish I lived close enough or could afford a trip to NYC. I'd jump at the chance. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 6:31 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bofh2k2000" wrote: > Perhaps if Kerry agrees to your "challenge", instead of $500 cash > WOR can set you up with a Visteon HD Radio in your VW so you can > monitor the HD signal for them and report back any dead spots / bad > reception areas and keep tabs on the audio quality for them. > > At least you can keep us up to date with HD Airchecks and coverage > reports that way so we can make an informed decision on HD. > > =) Matt, I'm gonna say this- This is a BRILLIANT idea! What say you, Tom, Kerry and Kevin? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Feb 13 17:34:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42982 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 01:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 01:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 01:34:45 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.dd.353722e (4410) for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:34:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:34:34 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.100 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Argument/IBOC/Anolog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/13/04 8:06:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 JH_Radio@GameBox.net writes: > Now I've never heard IBOC in action, but I have to ask. What's going to=20 > happen to the millions of analog radios if this all gets taking over by I= BOC? > Seems a lot of radios are being made analog, and that IBOC would take a= =20 > long long time to catch on unless the FCC mandates it. > If that were to happen would there be a public outrage? When or if IBOC does become common place,I have the feeling that only then= =20 will the mandate come into play. Otherwise we are still a -l-o-n-g- ways of= f=20 from any complete and total analog to digital conversion. You like me,I hav= e=20 several thousands of dollars tied up in shortwave,MW,FM, TV receivers just = to name=20 a few.I think our investments are safe for a long time to come. People seem to except HDTV without question, even though you can still ge= t=20 TV's=20 > without HD. > I can say that without a doubt AM Stereo and FM Stereo as it is sounds fi= ne=20 > by me. AM Stereo with better separation in my opinion. No one else seems = to=20 > know that it exist, though. >=20 As far as HDTV...I forget when the new analog turn off year is now. I think= =20 it was pushed back a year or two..I dont remember exactly as I dont keep up= =20 with television all that much.Even when the analog turn off date comes....e= very=20 TV wont become obsolete thanks to the number of HDTV to analog TV adapters = out=20 there.Of course you wont see that high definition with the old TV,but it ke= eps=20 you from having to go buy a new tv when the one you have my be in perfect=20 working order. Speaking of HDTV to analog tv adapters.....I just had a thought that I wond= er=20 if anyone else has thought about..or might be in production somewhere.I=20 wonder if an HD radio to analog radio converter would work....there by keep= ing you=20 from having to buy a new radio.Again you wouldnt benefit totally from what = HD=20 would have to offer...-but- it could keep you from having to worry about=20 obsolete radios when or if the analog to digital conversion takes place. Such an animal might not be feasible now....but who knows in a few years. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 17:48:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30025 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 01:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 01:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 01:48:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 01:48:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:48:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2196 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Well-said, Bob. > I still and always will owe you a wealth of gratitude for the help you > provided me with our stereo conversion. > I apologize if I've acted like a child and took things too personally. It's > not often I get personally attacked here on this list...or feel like I've > been. I'm usually one of the good guys that everyone likes. I like to > think I'm pretty smart and pretty technically inclined, even though not a > TRUE engineer. Every once in a while someone comes along and says exactly > the right thing to make me feel very small and belittled....like I don't > know what I'm talking about. > I guess if I KNOW what I'm talking about and I KNOW that I'm doing a good > job serving my community well (which is what a radio station is supposed to > do), and I KNOW that my station sounds damn good, then it shouldn't matter > what others think and I shouldn't let it get to me. > > Apologies to everyone for my spouting out. Michael, you're not the only one who felt insulted. Being that I live in a small community, the "Podunkville" comment hurt just as bad, and I equally felt belittled because I'm also not an engineer, of which to some, this means that if I don't work in radio, my voice here means very little. I'm sorry, but I can't respect anyone that treats others like that, no matter how supportive of C-QUAM they are, or that they are engineers at their stations. To me, being an engineer does not automaticly deserve respect- It's what you do with that knowledge and how you conduct yourself that does. I don't care if you're in the Big City or out in the boondocks, nor do I feel anyone should be so belittled for where they're from. Such comments that have been slung around here by a few here just don't belong here, and do nothing for their credit. This hurts ALL of us. So my opinion doesn't count for much. =shrug= Big deal- I'm a mouse- I'm not important. Considering there are many here who like AMS, but don't work for radio, are their POVs just as insignificant? I hope not. But I sure feel like it has become that. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 17:53:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43925 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 01:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 01:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 01:53:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 01:53:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:53:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: {AMSF} Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > I don't think he'll do it. As many times as they've invited him over there > to shoot the bull and see all of the equipment live and in action, he > refuses to go. And has pretty much never come clean to all of us about why. > Just won't go. =shakes head= > I truly wish I lived close enough or could afford a trip to NYC. I'd jump > at the chance. Can't afford it, can't drive- This mousie is out of the running, too. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Feb 13 17:57:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78780 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 01:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 01:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.17) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 01:57:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:57:20 -0800 Received: from 172.130.71.16 by bay7-dav45.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:57:20 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:49:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2004 01:57:20.0782 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1C112E0:01C3F29D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.17 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.130.71.16] Subject: Re: {AMSF} So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 For the record, I highly respect, both Kerry and Tom from WOR, as well as my other fellow engineers on this forum. Kerry Richards wrote: >> Here we go again with the same barrage of audio quality complaints from the same folks who have NEVER heard an HD Radio. It is true that we have not heard an HD radio because there are none to be had! We have however heard the .WAV and .mp3s of HD radio, and compared to a good analog version of the same clip, the HD version sucks. Still, I am withholding final judgement till I hear an honest to goodness HD radio. > > Yet, the NRSC rolled off high end of C-QUAM with pops, clicks, and buzzing in the canyons of NYC is still more pleasing to him. NRSC rolls off the highs at 10 kHz, IBOC kills the analog audio at 5 kHz. It is only logical that the NRSC station will sound twice as good to an analog listener than the IBOC station will. and remember, there are NO HD listeners in the market yet. > > It's laughable, mainly because his opinions mean NOTHING! > Who cares what he thinks? Well, he IS a radio listener in your metro. Are there more like him that are not as vocal? > > If this was in fact the case, how does he and others explain the fact that the FCC, the NAB, major manufacturers, and broadcasters have embraced this new approach to AM Stereo? Does he think these people are idiots? I am sure they are VERY smart, but having heard DRM, I think it sounds better than the clips of AM HD I have heard. I DO think HD is a wonderful idea for FM. > > Even more laughable, are his claims our ratings are bad due to HD Radio. WOR is number 21 with a 1.8 share, while WINS is number 5 with a 4.0 in the 12+ numbers! And I STILL say if I was the owner of a 50KW Clear in a major market, heads would roll if MY station couldn't get into the top 10 in ratings! Think audio doesn't hurt ratings? WWRL has not made it to the ratings book since they turned off C-QUAM and turned on PowerSide! > > The worst are those who complain that AM radio is dead from the programming, what does this have to do with any kind of AM Stereo in the first place? It doesn't, but the programming on AM here in Tampa sure sucks! > > I have a great deal of respect for those stations BIG and SMALL who really try and do a good job serving their communities. > How many of you small town engineers are providing the same kind of community support at your station, which is expected and demanded by your listeners? I would be willing to bed that I have the ONLY Part15 station in the Tampa metro with working EAS! No, the Part 15 doesn't make a dime, but I try to serve the community with it. > >Our focus here is how to deliver a competitive AM Stereo audio signal to the radio, whether by HD or C-Quam, which are the only tools we currently have to do this with. Agreed. > > Yes, there are major differences, and yes the issues of signal delivery are technically engaging and problematic. But, in our business the Marketplace has generally determined the direction we as BROADCASTERS take on many matters and issues of what the public wants and does not want. Then let's repeat the 80s AM Stereo decision and let the marketplace decide if DRM is better than HD. Kevin in Florida From tomray@wor710.com Fri Feb 13 18:04:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17187 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 02:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 02:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 02:03:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 02:03:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:03:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 718 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: WOR audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > I don't know what WOR(AM) sounds like on the air (I'm in Miami and I > have a local 710), but I will say this...From my early days in radio > board op'ing at WRUF in Gainesville, the WOR network feed was one of > the better frequency response wise...We ran Joy Browne and the Dolans > and the audio was better than WW1/Talknet, CBS, Mutual and most of > the others that we ran. > Tony: Thank you. We have an older plant, but we take great pride in keeping it running and keeping it sounding good. And we take the network seriously...realizing there are hundreds of stations around the country depending on our programming. T From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Feb 13 18:04:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8952 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 02:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 02:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 02:04:22 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.5b.47294b62 (4410) for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:04:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5b.47294b62.2d5edc22@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:04:18 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.7 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/13/04 8:49:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 amymousie@yahoo.com writes: > So my opinion doesn't count for much. =3Dshrug=3D Big deal- I'm a mouse-= =20 > I'm not important. Considering there are many here who like AMS, but=20 > don't work for radio, are their POVs just as insignificant? I hope=20 > not. But I sure feel like it has become that. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ >=20 >=20 WWeeeellllll ...yours and everyones opinions count.No one here is more or=20 less important than the other.The "Podunkville" comment ...aaahhhh!...easy = up a=20 bit guys.I dont think it was meant to be even close to being a belittling=20 comment.I'm in a small market myself...but I run my station as if it were a= major=20 market station.If you're ever in the area..take a listen,drop by and take t= he=20 fifty cent tour.We all have our start somewhere and the fellows at WOR inde= ed=20 got their start in a small market radio and were fortunate enough to have t= ime=20 and experience under their belts to make it a larger market. Thats someplace I hope to be in years down the road myself.Its quite obviou= s=20 that Kerry and Tom have not forgotten their roots and they do know what its= =20 like to have to make do with what you have on hand. Some good advice to follow....in whatever you do,never forget where you cam= e=20 from. But I agree that comments have been slung around and it has side tracked th= e=20 eye opening learning process here. Michael...keep those 4-400's a glowing and finely tuned... Amy...pass around the cheese please. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Fri Feb 13 18:05:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86738 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 02:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 02:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 02:05:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 02:05:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:05:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 395 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > For the record, I respect Kerry and Tom highly. > Richard: Thank you. We respect the opinions of the people here, too. Sometimes, things get out of hand, but that's just good old human to human contact. As I've said here before, if there is anything I can answer for you, please don't hesitate to ask! T From tomray@wor710.com Fri Feb 13 18:06:56 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From tomray@wor710.com Fri Feb 13 18:14:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72899 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 02:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 02:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 02:14:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 02:14:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:14:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1714 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > That's because what I claim is 100% TRUE. For the love of GOD... > just take a flippin' spectrum analyzer and look at your station's > audio... it's 5 kHz with the IBOC on, 6.2 kHz with the IBOC off. > And if you have anything better than tin-can ears, you can even HEAR > the difference... just listen at 6 PM when the IBOC flips off. You > can CLEARLY hear the audio bandwidth open up a notch as it steps up > that extra 1.2 kHz. > Kevin: I would beg to differ with you. We made a few adjustments the other evening so iBiquity could do a few test runs. I took a look at the module run list in the software, which lists every module that is loaded. I turned the 5K filter on, and promptly found it in the run list. I turned it off (IBOC carriers were on at the time), and it was no longer listed in the run list, or the memory list. And I could distinctly hear the difference in the monitors with the 5K filter in and out. I truly don't think it's running, and I can hear things that others can't......like walking into the transmitter building and immediately knowing that a bearing is on it's way out in a blower motor....and Kerry can't hear that! A spectrum analyzer most likely wouldn't prove anything. The IBOC sidebands start at about 5.02kHz, and any audio above that would not be visible on the analyzer when the carriers were on. I do know that, if I were to put iBiquity's 5K filter in, I can see a few more miles of IBOC coverage. That tells me there IS audio up to 6K. And on the former Visteon that was in my Explorer, I could hear no difference when the carriers went off. T From tomray@wor710.com Fri Feb 13 18:21:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7122 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 02:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 02:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 02:21:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 02:21:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:21:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040213200218.034b3e28@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1371 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Argument/IBOC/Anolog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > Now I've never heard IBOC in action, but I have to ask. What's going to happen to the millions of analog radios if this all gets taking over by IBOC? John: Good question. Analog radios won't be relegated to the trash heap. There is still an analog component that is transmitted that won't be going away any time soon. Take a look at how long it took FM stereo or color TV to become accepted and the norm.....I would guess that there are about 20 years left to analog AM and FM before the hybrid mode goes away and it becomes all digital. Unless someone at the FCC makes a decision like HDTV. I really don't think the public has a clue what's in store for them on December 31, 2006. When they wake up on January 1, 2007 and find they can't watch a thing on TV because the analog NTSC signals have been shut off by Federal mandate, the you-know-what is going to hit the fan. Big time. Broadcasters know about this deadline because we have to. I haven't seen anything in the public sector regarding this life changing event....and it will be life changing. I live in an area where I have no prayer of getting a DTV signal off the air. Unless DirecTV adds all the NY TV stations in HD, this household will no longer be watching local or network television. T From tomray@wor710.com Fri Feb 13 18:27:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84869 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 02:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 02:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 02:27:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 02:27:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:27:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1062 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 2/13/04 3:58:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, > bossmsx2@y... writes: > > > Bottom line....keep it civil.There are no enemies here. > Bob: Well said. The first iBiquity load had some issues with the analog. Like having the negative peaks increase when the IBOC carriers were turned on. They corrected that very soon after. You need to understand that most of the effort went into FM IBOC before the AM was refined. When WOR turned it on, all of a sudden the AM came into the forefront, as it was now on a big station with a big signal full time, not just once in a while for testing. We understood this at the outset and provided much assistance and guidance to iBiquity to get rid of the analog problems and make it right. The way it presently stands, there is absolutely no difference in negative or positive peak performance when the carriers come on, and no change in the characteristics of the analog signal. Except for the 5-6K frequency restriction. T From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 18:30:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9307 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 02:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 02:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 02:30:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 02:30:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:30:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5b.47294b62.2d5edc22@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 208 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 2/13/04 8:49:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, > amymousie@y... writes: > Amy...pass around the cheese please. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Fri Feb 13 18:30:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22838 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 02:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 02:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 02:30:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 02:30:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:30:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 795 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > I don't think he'll do it. As many times as they've invited him over there > to shoot the bull and see all of the equipment live and in action, he > refuses to go. And has pretty much never come clean to all of us about why. > Just won't go. > > I truly wish I lived close enough or could afford a trip to NYC. I'd jump > at the chance. The invitation is still open. And that goes for anyone in this forum. If you'd like to see our facility, just shoot us a note and we'll make it happen. Some people make us out to be bad, nasty people. That's not the case. We love to show off our site, and equally love to hear what others have to say, especially when they see it all put together. T From pd@96wnjo.com Fri Feb 13 18:33:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pd@96wnjo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27618 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 02:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 02:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 02:33:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 02:33:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:33:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "wnjo960" X-Originating-IP: 67.83.125.168 Subject: WOR's Setup X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159836599 X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 I didnt know that Kevin was invited to check out WOR's IBOC setup. Hmmm, maybe I could stop by...I'm within an hour of NYC by car (Monmouth Co. New Jersey). Oh, I just got a Alfredo Lite from Chris Cuff, any tips on the antenna? From tomray@wor710.com Fri Feb 13 18:38:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3394 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 02:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 02:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 02:38:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 02:38:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:38:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 484 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: WOR's Setup X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wnjo960" wrote: > I didnt know that Kevin was invited to check out WOR's IBOC setup. > Hmmm, maybe I could stop by...I'm within an hour of NYC by car > (Monmouth Co. New Jersey). Oh, I just got a Alfredo Lite from Chris > Cuff, any tips on the antenna? We'd love to have you. Drop me a note and we can make this happen....tomray@wor710.com. There's a great corned beef place near the transmitter, too, if you're into that. TR From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Feb 13 20:17:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43764 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 04:17:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 04:17:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 04:17:06 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.1e4.1970928d (30960) for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:17:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1e4.1970928d.2d5efb3c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:17:00 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.4 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: FORWARDED..highly important life saving info from the National Weather Service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:07:49 -0600 Subject: [BC] This just came in from the NWS data feed... Reply-To: broadcast@broadcast.net FEMDOM USZ000-99999999- CIVIL EMERGENCY MESSAGE EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED 1155 PM CST THU FEB 12 2004 THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HAS ISSUED A SEVERE STORM WATCH FOR ALL OF THE UNITED STATES. THE POTENTIAL FOR STORM CLOUDS, HIGH WINDS AND DOWN BURSTS EXISTS IF PERSONS ARE WITHIN THE WATCH AREA. SHOULD ANY MALE FORGET THAT SATURDAY IS VALENTINES DAY A DEEP LOW COULD FORM OVER THE AFFECTED PERSONS HEAD. HIGH WINDS COULD COME FROM THE AFFECTED PERSONS SPOUSE OR SPOUSE TO BE AND MAY CAUSE SEVERE STRUCTURAL DAMAGE TO ANYONE WITHIN 1 MILE. SHOULD YOU OBSERVE A ONCOMING STORM, SEEK SHELTER UNTIL THE STORM HAS PASSED. LOCAL BARS WILL BE EXTENDING HAPPY HOURS TO ACCOMMODATE THIS LIFE THREATENING EVENT. PERSONS EXPERIENCING ANY RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS OR HEAVY BLEEDING SHOULD DIAL 911. PLEASE REFER TO PUBLIC AND COMMERCIAL RADIO AND TELEVISION STATIONS FOR ADDITIONAL DETAILS. $$ Thank God for bomb shelters,flowers and a night out .... [grin]....lol Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 20:44:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85215 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 04:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 04:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 04:44:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 04:44:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:44:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1e4.1970928d.2d5efb3c@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 483 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: Re: FORWARDED..highly important life saving info from the National Weather Service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:07:49 -0600 > Subject: [BC] This just came in from the NWS data feed... > Reply-To: broadcast@b... =giggle!= > Thank God for bomb shelters,flowers and a night out .... [grin]....lol To the tune of Donald Fagen's "New Frontier"... :) Thanks for the humor- We needed some around here. :) Which reminds me: There should be some humorous EBS/EAS recordings- Anyone have any? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 20:59:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11964 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 04:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 04:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 04:59:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 04:59:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:59:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1219 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.5 Subject: Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I don't think he'll do it. As many times as they've invited him > over there to shoot the bull and see all of the equipment live and > in action, he refuses to go. And has pretty much never come clean > to all of us about why. I have never *refused* to visit WOR's transmitter site; I just haven't *accepted* the invitation, because my opinions would not change, and neither would those of WOR's engineers. If we disagree over this message board, then we are going to disagree in person, as well. Let me use an analogy: President Bush could invite me to a the White House for a private chat. But regardless of what we say to each other, I most definitely won't get him to change his mind on the things of his that I disagree with, and he still won't be successful in convincing me to vote for him or support his political platform. Sure, it would be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for me. But I'd rather avail myself of that one opportunity when JFK is in office (John F. Kerry, that is). Anyway... if Leonard Kahn is invited to visit WOR and accepts, then I'd be glad to join him. But until then, I'd much rather sit in my basement and spew out psychobabble... or so some people seem to think. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 21:07:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67391 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 05:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 05:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 05:06:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 05:06:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 05:06:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1271 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I don't think he'll do it. As many times as they've invited him > > over there to shoot the bull and see all of the equipment live and > > in action, he refuses to go. And has pretty much never come clean > > to all of us about why. > > I have never *refused* to visit WOR's transmitter site; I just > haven't *accepted* the invitation, because my opinions would not > change, and neither would those of WOR's engineers. If we disagree > over this message board, then we are going to disagree in person, > as well. First off, all indications I have gotten from WOR is that they don't EXPECT you to change your mind, but still offer you to see the setup for yourself. There is NOTHING wrong with disagreeing, and they can live with that, but they will keep the offer open. If I could afford to travel, even with my adamant stance about IBOC, I WOULD take them up on their offer. At least Tom has been courteous and professional to me, and I fully respect that, even while I may have my issues with him on IBOC. I urge you, Mr. Tekel, to PLEASE consider taking up the offer, and visit WOR. You will look much better in all our eyes, I would think- Even mine. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Fri Feb 13 21:22:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98065 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 05:22:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 05:22:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO twix.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 05:22:58 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E08DD728F2 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 05:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2927C8AB05 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 05:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040214001232.034badc0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:33:51 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.71 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, Though your opinion of WOR might not change, they'll have a lot more respect for your opinion if you at least go and check it out. Check it out, then say what comes to mind. It is only fair as I'm sure they put a tun of work into it. They don't have to show anyone anything. Its kind of like Look what I did! I'd like to show off what I did to everyone in the world... Show 'em how it works. To reiterate, your opinion might not change. However, they will except your opinion with much more merit and validity if you at least go and see what they have to show you. Bring your stereo radios with you, and test equipment. Show them what you are experiencing. I would think you have something to gain from this. There has got to be stuff that you don't know that you can learn while there. This is weather you agree or disagree. You seem kinda closed minded to me. This is based on lots of reading of your messages and not commenting in the past. From what I've read of Tom and Karry, they seem to be more then willing to this day to have you as there guest. Instead of saying "My opinion won't change..." Why not go open minded and have a real listen. Think about it, they've got monitors and stuff. That has got to be the best sound that is offered at this time. Sure you may not like it, and that's fine. However, it doesn't do anyone good to be closed minded. What can you lose? Perhaps a bit of a drive? And there's food there! What more does a guy need? LOL John At 04:59 AM 02/14/2004 +0000, you wrote: >> I don't think he'll do it. As many times as they've invited him >> over there to shoot the bull and see all of the equipment live and >> in action, he refuses to go. And has pretty much never come clean >> to all of us about why. > >I have never *refused* to visit WOR's transmitter site; I just >haven't *accepted* the invitation, because my opinions would not >change, and neither would those of WOR's engineers. If we disagree >over this message board, then we are going to disagree in person, >as well. > >Let me use an analogy: President Bush could invite me to a the White >House for a private chat. But regardless of what we say to each >other, I most definitely won't get him to change his mind on the >things of his that I disagree with, and he still won't be successful >in convincing me to vote for him or support his political platform. >Sure, it would be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for me. But I'd >rather avail myself of that one opportunity when JFK is in office >(John F. Kerry, that is). > >Anyway... if Leonard Kahn is invited to visit WOR and accepts, then >I'd be glad to join him. But until then, I'd much rather sit in >my basement and spew out psychobabble... or so some people seem to >think. > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 21:34:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43765 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 05:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 05:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 05:34:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 05:34:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 05:34:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1752 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.5 Subject: Re: 5 or 6.2 kHz? The great WOR audio debate X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > A spectrum analyzer most likely wouldn't prove anything. The IBOC > sidebands start at about 5.02kHz, and any audio above that would > not be visible on the analyzer when the carriers were on. On an _audio_ spectrum analyzer, it most certainly would! > I do know that, if I were to put iBiquity's 5K filter in, I can see > a few more miles of IBOC coverage. That tells me there IS audio up > to 6K. Once again, WOR *was* running 6.2 kHz audio + IBOC... in late 2002. Then, as either you or Kerry explained to me, you switched it back to 5 kHz, because in order to allow the wider audio bandwidth, you had to run the IBOC exciter in AAB=1 mode, which decreases digital coverage since both sidebands need to be received, not just one. And since then -- December 2002, I believe -- I have never heard WOR using 6.2 kHz audio + IBOC. It has always been 5 kHz with the IBOC sidebands on. The difference is clear on an audio spectrum analysis: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wor-comp.gif The blue line is from a recording of WOR made in late 2002, when you *were* using 6.2 kHz audio with IBOC. And the magenta line is from a current recording, with your 5 kHz audio + IBOC -- which also reveals the "ringing" distortion that the 5 kHz filter causes. (BTW, I hear this same kind of distortion from 950 WPEN when they have their own IBOC on -- just not as bad, since they don't push their analog audio processing as hard as WOR does.) If you really *want* WOR to be transmitting 6.2 kHz audio with the IBOC in use, then switch your exciter to the "AAB=1" mode. Then I will be glad to make additional audio spectrum analysis graphs which will prove that your audio bandwidth has indeed increased because of that change! From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 21:44:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26902 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 05:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 05:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 05:44:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 05:44:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 05:44:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 363 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: Re: 5 or 6.2 kHz? The great WOR audio debate X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =bigsnip= =sigh= Reminds me of a rabid dog... I'll just sit here and wait for something actually referring to AM stereo and/or something less argumentative- like humor, music, whatever. And for those with loved ones, I wish you and them a happy Valentine's Day. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Feb 13 21:47:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3743 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 05:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 05:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 05:47:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 05:47:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 05:47:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 632 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.153.112 Subject: Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > But from You, Kevin Tekel, self proclaimed expert, only insults, > baloney, no respect, and a lot of B.S. to any engineer who has > anything positive to say about anything you do not like on this forum. Kevin, he is right. As much as I don't agree with HD, I have been willing and wanting and HAVE gone to WOR (among other places) to learn more about the system and not hide behind messages on a board. Why not meet with them? It makes you look bad when you don't. Have you heard the codec in real life (and not some internet download). From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Feb 13 21:50:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80288 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 05:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 05:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 05:50:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 05:50:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 05:50:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 758 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.153.112 Subject: {AMSF} Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > The invitation is still open. And that goes for anyone in this > forum. If you'd like to see our facility, just shoot us a note and > we'll make it happen. Some people make us out to be bad, nasty > people. That's not the case. We love to show off our site, and > equally love to hear what others have to say, especially when they > see it all put together. > > T Tom and Kerry have been very open about it. Like the system or not, you gotta love the engineers and the fact they're not hiding behind the system. They are more than willing to accomodate. As a matter of fact, I hope to be able to see (and hear) the new Kenwood in action next week or the week after. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Feb 13 21:54:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14409 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 05:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 05:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 05:54:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 05:54:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 05:54:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 656 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.153.112 Subject: Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I have never *refused* to visit WOR's transmitter site; I just > haven't *accepted* the invitation, because my opinions would not > change, and neither would those of WOR's engineers. If we disagree > over this message board, then we are going to disagree in person, > as well. Cop out. Sorry Kevin. You could end this 5/6.2 kHz nonsense by looking at a sample right from the transmitter with Kerry and Tom. No more guessing from 30 miles from the transmitter. > Anyway... if Leonard Kahn is invited to visit WOR and accepts, then > I'd be glad to join him. Why? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 21:59:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30692 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 05:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 05:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 05:59:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 05:59:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 05:59:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 926 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.5 Subject: Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I urge you, Mr. Tekel, to PLEASE consider taking up the offer, and > visit WOR. You will look much better in all our eyes, I would > think- Even mine. Hold on to your horses, folks. I would be glad to visit to WOR, just under one condition: that they would transmit in analog AM Stereo while I was there, even if just for a few minutes. Heck, even into a dummy load would count -- just so long as I could record it for all to hear. My complete CRL AM Stereo audio processing chain is itching to travel to Lyndhurst. All it would need to team up with is a functional C-Quam exciter and modulation monitor. No, I'm no engineer.... but if I can set up the Number One Country music station in the greater New York City area -- that's because my FM Part 15 station is the _only_ one playing Country music within 50 miles of NYC -- then I think getting WOR to light the C-Quam pilot light wouldn't be impossible. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 22:10:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74832 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 06:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 06:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 06:10:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 06:10:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:10:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 275 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= Umm, does WOR even HAVE a C-QUAM exciter? As far as I have been able to gather, they don't, any more, even though they tried installing and aligning one a few years back. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 22:42:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7407 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 06:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 06:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 06:42:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20040214064218.54866.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.93] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:42:18 PST Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:42:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FORWARDED..highly important life saving info from the National Weather Service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... > wrote: > > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:07:49 -0600 > > Subject: [BC] This just came in from the NWS data > feed... > > Reply-To: broadcast@b... > > =giggle!= > > > Thank God for bomb shelters,flowers and a night > out .... > [grin]....lol > > To the tune of Donald Fagen's "New Frontier"... :) > > Thanks for the humor- We needed some around here. :) > > Which reminds me: There should be some humorous > EBS/EAS recordings- > Anyone have any? :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ You should hear some of the FAKE severe storm alerts I did with the Mr.Roboto voice of the weather bureau....as a message from the Methane Prediction Center.... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 22:48:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62505 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 06:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 06:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 06:48:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 06:48:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:48:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040214064218.54866.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 369 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: {AMSF} Re: FORWARDED..highly important life saving info from the National Weather Service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > You should hear some of the FAKE severe storm alerts I > did with the Mr.Roboto voice of the weather > bureau....as a message from the Methane Prediction > Center.... I could say something about "cutting the cheese", but yeah.. That would sound interesting. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 23:17:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1706 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 07:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 07:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 07:17:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 07:17:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 07:17:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1886 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why are we here? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key so I guess that means I should keep my defunct SRF-42? (btw I also have one that works fine). (and my almost-decade-old non-AM-stereo Panasonic RQ-SW20 which has a decent AM tuner compared to some newer ones I've heard, plus a few others...) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereodude" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson > > wrote: > > > > > Those who love AM stereo must take up a lobbyist approach now! > > > > Would that we had the numbers to BE an effective lobby... I think > > Amy's earlier suggestion that we lap up all the AMS gear we can for > > future use is about all we can do now, and I've got some engineers > > for other networks doing some scouting for me. How's that stack up > > in your opinion? > > And as I said in another post, although buried, that the lobbying > mechanism in the US is very different from the Australian/Canadian > model, which DOES alow for a more direct participation level by their > citizens, something not as easy to do in the US. > > It takes money- ALOT of it- to get heard by our elected officials in > Washington, and in all honesty, we are NOWHERE near as capable of > making such an effort as the corporates and NAB can do. We're > outnumbered and outgunned. We have no choice but retreat and preserve > for that future day. IBOC -will- run its course, it's just a matter > of time riding out the storm. But we CAN do it! We MUST! > > I will do all I can to preserve the knowledge and technology in my > own way, and if I had my way (and what money I can get by, which is > not much), I would also be willing to care for some AMS equipment. > > I want to keep the AMS dream alive, and the pilot lights lit for > future generations. > > I care. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 23:22:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91651 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 07:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 07:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 07:22:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 07:22:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 07:22:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1556 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" > wrote: > > > More Baloney. > > You know, it's a damn good thing I'm not a moderator, here- Just a > mouse, and all that entails (if you pardon the pun)- Or I would see > to it that BOTH of you be put in Moderated mode, until such time BOTH > of you could be civil to each other and others, here. > > This is very tiring, even annoying- I'm here to relax, share and > learn with others like me who love AM stereo, NOT to argue and sling > insults. > > I do, however, agree with Mr. Tekel on this matter: You EARN respect, > not command or demand it, just because of what you are. And frankly, > Mr. Richards, you haven't earned it, at least from me. > > Other than that, I'm staying out of this like a good mouse, and > sticking with what I care about- AM stereo, stereo oldies, and so > forth. > > Now, please- Both of you- Play nice, so we all can try to enjoy what > we have left. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Glad I'm 3000 miles away from the NY/NJ metro area!) Yea, and I'd have no chance of getting WOR from my QTH. KSPN's groundwave (although somewhat weak where I am) would tromp all over WAR (callsign change intentional), and if my radio had worse selectivity, non-IBOC (and unfortunately non-Stereo, although they used to use Kahn (/me wonders why I keep capitalizing "Stereo" when refering to AM Stereo... It's not a deity for KDIS/KMIK's sake!)) 690 XETRA would step all over it. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 23:22:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40461 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 07:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 07:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 07:22:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 07:22:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 07:22:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 219 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Psychobabble Galore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Kevin, thanks for keeping the spirit of Democracy alive. > > Just remember... people who live in stone houses shouldn't throw > glass. lol From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Feb 14 00:04:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38669 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 08:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 08:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 08:04:04 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040214080402.CVTX244.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 03:04:02 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:04:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <59D15BE8-5EC4-11D8-B14E-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.244 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Friday, February 13, 2004, at 09:59 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > I would be glad to visit to WOR, just > under one condition: that they would transmit in analog AM Stereo > while I was there, even if just for a few minutes. Why not do it just to hear the HD audio in person? You cannot judge a system, and talk about it with any authority, unless you hear it the way it is intended ... not through web-based MP3s. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Feb 14 00:26:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9723 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 08:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 08:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 08:26:41 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-67-124-12-100.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.124.12.100]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i1E8QfK43464; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:26:41 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c3f2d3$8f2fc680$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:21:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: Tom and Kerry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang I just waned to ask a qeustion of Tom and Kerry . What the ground wave range of your IBOC signal? I live a 100 mile NE of Berkly Ca. Thats where KFRC AM 610 has there 5kw trannsmitter is at right on the shore of the north bay. And points east of me can hear them just fine. And the tower is only 447 feet. I live at thr elev. of 600 feet above sea level wich thats where there tower is at sea level. I am just cureruse about 50kw signal will it have less range then the analog 50kw anlog will have? Just wondering . Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Feb 14 00:55:04 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Feb 14 01:14:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10882 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 09:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 09:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 09:14:51 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-67-124-15-80.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.124.15.80]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i1E9Eod45962; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:14:50 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c3f2da$4914d440$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:09:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: Yellow Subermeen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don' t you meen yeller suburmeen? Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Feb 14 01:14:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79256 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 09:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 09:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 09:14:59 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.11.22676c22 (4418) for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:14:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <11.22676c22.2d5f410d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:14:53 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.102 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 5 or 6.2 kHz? The great WOR audio debate X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >A spectrum analyzer most likely wouldn't prove anything. The IBOC=20 > >sidebands start at about 5.02kHz, and any audio above that would > >not be visible on the analyzer when the carriers were on. >=20 > On an _audio_ spectrum analyzer, it most certainly would! >=20 "Hello walls [hello hello] how are you today....} Man that was a great=20 country classic. You know,I read stuff like this and it makes you wanta beat your head into= =20 the wall...but that wont do any good but to put a hole in the wall.=20 Then the term "cement shoes" and "bottom of the river" comes to mind ...[ye= s=20 the older generation of my family used that term quite often back in its=20 time],but that would only get the environmentalist upset over water=20 pollution.[grin] I certainly do not see how anyone could think that they will see any thing= =20 that resembles 6khz + of audio (human voice) [ /\/\/\/\/\/ <---a crude sin= e=20 wave] mixed in with noise from a digital carrier that starts around 5.02khz= [=20 |||||||||| <-- a slight resemblance of what a digital carrier will look lik= e on=20 an RF analyer and even if you demodulated this...it would look very simular= as=20 the digital noise doesnt start and stop at 5kc...it takes up a little bit o= f=20 audio and RF bandwidth ] Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Feb 14 01:22:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57972 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 09:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 09:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 09:22:31 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.98.3582927 (4418) for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:22:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <98.3582927.2d5f42d1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:22:25 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.36 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/14/04 12:50:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 evergreenterrace@buzzle.com writes: > Have you heard the codec in real life (and not some internet=20 > download). >=20 Internet downloads do not do justice to something like this or anything els= e=20 for that matter. Seems like .mp3's and even to a certain extent .wav files = can=20 make things sound worse than what they really are. I and others arent saying its going to sound 100% different,but at least=20 hearing the product on an actual radio puts anyone in a better posistion to= =20 express their views and to be taken more seriously. Its like saying the moon is made of cheese [sorry Amy ...lol] ..but unless= =20 you go to the moon and see for yourself that the moon isnt made of cheese [= sorry=20 again Amy..lol]...sitting here saying the moon is made of cheese doesnt mak= e=20 it so. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Feb 14 01:27:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9918 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 09:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 09:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 09:27:32 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.f7.368dc1d8 (4418) for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:27:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:27:26 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.99 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >I urge you, Mr. Tekel, to PLEASE consider taking up the offer, and=20 > >visit WOR. You will look much better in all our eyes, I would > >think- Even mine. >=20 > Hold on to your horses, folks. I would be glad to visit to WOR, just=20 > under one condition: that they would transmit in analog AM Stereo=20 > while I was there, even if just for a few minutes. Heck, even into a=20 > dummy load would count -- just so long as I could record it for all=20 > to hear. >=20 > My complete CRL AM Stereo audio processing chain is itching to travel=20 > to Lyndhurst. All it would need to team up with is a functional=20 > C-Quam exciter and modulation monitor. >=20 > No, I'm no engineer.... but if I can set up the Number One Country=20 > music station in the greater New York City area -- that's because my=20 > FM Part 15 station is the _only_ one playing Country music within > 50 miles of NYC -- then I think getting WOR to light the C-Quam pilot=20 > light wouldn't be impossible. >=20 Hey!...listen! ..listen carefully....ssssssshhhh!..dont make a sound,be ver= y=20 very quiet...I hear music playing...Yeah! I do!...its the theme from ...."T= he=20 Twilight Zone!" Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 01:32:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82974 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 09:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 09:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 09:32:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 09:32:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:32:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <98.3582927.2d5f42d1@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 579 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: {AMSF} Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > Its like saying the moon is made of cheese [sorry Amy ...lol] ..but unless > you go to the moon and see for yourself that the moon isnt made of cheese [sorry > again Amy..lol]...sitting here saying the moon is made of cheese doesnt make > it so. You mean....it ISN'T???? Damn, there goes my plan to get on one of the new NASA moon missions! :) And once more, for the humor-impared: :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Just FYI, WOR's .wav files were uncompressed signed 16-bit stereo samples at 44.1kHz, ie: CDE quality.) From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Feb 14 01:33:32 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From krichards@wor710.com Sat Feb 14 01:34:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81950 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 09:34:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 09:34:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 09:34:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 09:34:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:34:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3504 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: WOR, C-Quam and Kahn and visitors. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 WOR has never tried C-Quam, there has never been an exciter in the plant. WOR however, did have a Kahn Powerside which as y'all know can do stereo, just ain't legal. We shipped it far away to some guy who needed it for his poorly performing short spaced AM. We were glad to see it go out the door. As far as Kevin's continuing claims, they do not bother me. I know what we are doing and that's all that really counts, what he wants to think is his business. Kevin Tekel is welcome to visit WOR anytime and has always had an open invitation. At one point I even invited him up to our Stuidio complex to meet our only Musical host (Joe Franklin)in the middle of the night, but Kevin Tekel has always refused. Who knows why? When I was younger I could not wait to get into any Broadcast facility, I was always dying to know what was going on, and how everything worked. I had the disease early on...I guess I was about three or four when my dad took me to see WTOL's TV transmitter in Toledo Ohio when my dad was a prof. at the university there. Once the RF entered me, it never left. I still am dying to get into any plant I can to see how it works. As far as Kevin Tekel's dream about bringing his gear to WOR...I do not think corporate would take kindly to that, WOR is not a 50kw toy. And quite frankly, Tom and I are not there to entertain Kevin's wild fantasies, it is a business, and a serious one at that. In case you did not know, Tom and I spend long hours at the Radio Ranch, and we do try to keep a friendly and open policy for anyone who wants to come and visit. This is despite a very heavy workload, where Tom is the Buckley Corporate Director of Engineering, and I just do WOR (which in itself is a lot of work). Tom spends endless hours on all kinds of projects for WOR and Buckley and IBOC is just one small part of his work. In the meantime, I have the day to day, nuts and bolts, duties in keeping everything up and running at WOR. It is a lot of work, and IBOC for me represents the major plant overhaul I am working on daily. Lately, we have been squeezing in all kinds visitors from all over the world including Japan and Argentina, Brazil and so on. It's kind of funny although Kevin Tekel lives a scant 40 miles from WOR, he does not want to see how it all works. I do not get it. As far as our postings here they represent what we feel is an accurate portrait of the current conditions for AM radio in general. My replies to Kevin and other critics here on this forum should be taken in the form that they are delivered, for entertainment purposes only. I love it when too much is read into what we say, that's over the top. When we get emails from all over the world in a larger than normal quantity (and some of them not very nice), accusing us of everything from poorly transmitted audio, illegal operation, not being in compliance with the NRSC mask, being stalked by DXer's and others who claim we were off and on at such and such an hour, and homophobia (that's a new one I got today) from folks on this board,...Need I say more? How would you like it? It sucks, believe me. But we still maintain an open door policy when time permits, to all those who want to see how it all works. Even our friend Kevin Tekel and for that matter, anyone else. You won't get past the front door, in most broadcast facilities. Maybe we are the crazy ones. Kerry Richards Chief Engineer WOR-AM Buckley Broadcasting Corporation From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 01:39:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77874 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 09:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 09:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 09:39:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 09:39:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:39:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 588 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: {AMSF} Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > Hey!...listen! ..listen carefully....ssssssshhhh!..dont make a sound,be very > very quiet...I hear music playing...Yeah! I do!...its the theme from ...."The > Twilight Zone!" Let's see... Yesterday was Friday the 13th... Yeah, that would do it. You know, I'm just not going to comment on any of this- What is transapiring speaks VOLUMES for itself, it doesn't need commentary from one rather cheesy mouse! -sigh- Now back to bouncing radios off the moon-- You SURE it isn't made of green cheese?? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Feb 14 01:41:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16007 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 09:41:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 09:41:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 09:41:25 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-67-124-15-80.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.124.15.80]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i1E9fOc28428; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:41:25 -0800 Message-ID: <001a01c3f2de$014582a0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:36:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: What i understude X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What understude and i drue it out on a peace of paper once to exspane it to some one what i understude it from some of you. I drue a analog wave on the paper and then i drue a line through the high side of the waves and drue a line through the lower side of he waves. Then i told him the lines are the digital part of the signal. Then i started to color in the the humps of the waves and than i told him thats what the digital signal is trying to do but it's not working out very good. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 01:41:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86388 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 09:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 09:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 09:41:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20040214094127.39553.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.214] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:41:27 PST Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:41:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.37 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How much more garbage are we going to receive about this argument.What evers going to happen will happen.Cant we all live with whats happening.perhaps there can be a new yahoo club set up called "Digital Vs Analogue" or perhaps the comments could be directed privately... pianoplayer88key wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" > wrote: > > > More Baloney. > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Feb 14 01:44:12 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 01:45:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37958 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 09:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 09:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 09:45:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 09:45:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:45:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 245 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: Re: WOR, C-Quam and Kahn and visitors. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > WOR has never tried C-Quam, there has never been an exciter in the > plant. That's what I thought, therefore Mr. Tekel's demand makes no sense. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Feb 14 01:47:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77179 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 09:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 09:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 09:47:57 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.1ec.18edef3c (4418) for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:47:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1ec.18edef3c.2d5f48c9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:47:53 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.36 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/14/04 4:40:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 amymousie@yahoo.com writes: > Let's see... Yesterday was Friday the 13th... Yeah, that would do it. >=20 > You know, I'm just not going to comment on any of this- What is=20 > transapiring speaks VOLUMES for itself, it doesn't need commentary=20 > from one rather cheesy mouse! >=20 > -sigh- >=20 > Now back to bouncing radios off the moon-- You SURE it isn't made of=20 > green cheese?? :) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ >=20 Yeah..yesterday was the 13th..and Friday at that!...hmm well that explains = it=20 all. But anyways...dunno about bouncing radios off of the moon...I probably woul= d=20 have better luck bouncing a 144mhz SSB signal off of the moon rather than=20 trying to throw a radio at the moon...lol ...and nope,no cheese on the moo= n. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Feb 14 01:53:40 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Feb 14 01:58:47 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 02:09:27 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 02:11:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55358 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 10:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 10:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 10:11:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 10:11:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:11:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1ec.18edef3c.2d5f48c9@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 514 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: {AMSF} Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 2/14/04 4:40:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, > amymousie@y... writes: > > Now back to bouncing radios off the moon-- You SURE it isn't made of > > green cheese?? :) > But anyways...dunno about bouncing radios off of the moon...I probably would > have better luck bouncing a 144mhz SSB signal off of the moon rather than > trying to throw a radio at the moon...lol ...and nope,no cheese on the moon. =smile= :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Feb 14 02:36:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93579 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 10:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 10:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 10:36:26 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-67-124-15-80.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.124.15.80]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i1EAaPl62496; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:36:25 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c3f2e5$b0c46780$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:31:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: Coffee X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man you guys must drink a lot of coffee back east there its just after 6AM back there know!! I am lissening to my "A L" right now and i stiil miss c-quam at alot of stations out here in the Sacramento Ca area. they started to drop out back in the erly 90's and i felt perty alone back then . But now i know thats not true. Like i said before i have two day timers one is old timer "Music of your life's" KCTC 1320. Back in the late 80 that one had a great mix of music KNGR 1320 thay played 50's to 70's mellow side of thoughs. And bible KCBC 770 bible wich i have a hard for me to sit through. Well i am glad that i am not alone any more am and am stereo Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aalso@netzero.com Sat Feb 14 02:40:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43816 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 10:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 10:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 10:40:40 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([68.218.138.193]) by imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040214104039.ZHAO18515.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 05:40:39 -0500 Message-ID: <402DFB4B.80600@netzero.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 05:41:15 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.65 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: A mouse who doesn't count? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:48:18 -0000 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: WOR audio I think there is a Mouse that lives Just down the road from me a piece, over near Orlando Fl who thinks a mouse counts :) As for AM Stereo, While you all know I just put is back on WSOS 1170 in St. Augustine, the public response has been positive. Not a great response but we have received a few calls complimenting us on being stereo. this nice think about being the only one in the market doing it is we now have some loyal listeners. It sounds really good. I just received an Sony AM stereo Amplifier received (Sony model # STR-AV790) I got off of ebay late Friday and turned it on in my shop man does it sound nice on 1170. I haven't checked the bandwidth yet, (Yes I do have all the equipment to scientific bandwidth measurements) I'll let yall know when I do. This is a nice fully integrated receiver amplifier which handles video switching as well. (I'm kind of glad ya'll missed seeing this one while I was bidding on it.) If you want to take a look http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3073938010&ed=1075579951 So my opinion doesn't count for much. =shrug= Big deal- I'm a mouse- I'm not important. Considering there are many here who like AMS, but don't work for radio, are their POVs just as insignificant? I hope not. But I sure feel like it has become that. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 02:54:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88520 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 10:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 10:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 10:54:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20040214105430.99046.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.214] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:54:30 PST Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:54:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <402DFB4B.80600@netzero.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.45 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} A mouse who doesn't count? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes I watched that auction as it finished here it went for 107.50 nobody sniped it! Didnt bid as it was an USA only one. Michael Alan Alsobrook wrote: (I'm kind of glad ya'll missed seeing this one while I was bidding on it.) If you want to take a look http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3073938010&ed=1075579951 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Feb 14 02:55:02 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Feb 14 02:56:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52412 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 10:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 10:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 10:56:04 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-67-124-15-80.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.124.15.80]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i1EAu4h58056; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:56:04 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c3f2e8$6ed6a100$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:50:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: Dose any body X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dose any body know when or if Chris is comeing out of dry dock. If so i hope he can do some more campianing. But if not i understand famly come first of corse. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Feb 14 03:02:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99477 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 11:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 11:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 11:01:56 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.89.3594bfc (4418) for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:01:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <89.3594bfc.2d5f5a20@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:01:52 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.103 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A mouse who doesn't count? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/14/04 5:41:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 aalso@netzero.com writes: > (I'm kind of glad ya'll missed seeing this one while I was bidding on it.= )=20 > If you want to take a look=20 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3073938010&ed=3D1075= 579951 Ok..I'm jealous...lol. Good to hear that the station there is making a difference in the community= =20 there.Every little bit helps. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 03:02:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30801 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 11:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 11:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 11:02:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 11:02:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:01:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c3f2e5$b0c46780$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1216 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: Re: Coffee X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith" wrote: > Man you guys must drink a lot of coffee back east there its just after 6AM back there know!! I am lissening to my "A L" right now and i stiil miss c-quam at alot of stations out here in the Sacramento Ca area. they started to drop out back in the erly 90's and i felt perty alone back then . But now i know thats not true. Like i said before i have two day timers one is old timer "Music of your life's" KCTC 1320. Back in the late 80 that one had a great mix of music KNGR 1320 thay played 50's to 70's mellow side of thoughs. And bible KCBC 770 bible wich i have a hard for me to sit through. Well i am glad that i am not alone any more am and am stereo Jim Smith Now, imagine life without a SINGLE AMS station for at least 200 miles in any direction! Here on the bay, there has NEVER been an AM stereo station closer to me than Grants Pass/Asland/Medford, OR and Sacramento, CA, and yet, because I love to DX, I got into AMS, since some of the stations I enjoyed were AMS, like KFI back in the days when it was AC/Top-40, and KBOI which played soft-mix AC/oldies. Thank God for DX and AM stereo! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 03:07:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3533 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 11:06:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 11:06:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 11:07:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 11:07:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:06:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <402DFB4B.80600@netzero.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 720 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: Re: A mouse who doesn't count? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Alan Alsobrook wrote: > I think there is a Mouse that lives Just down the road from me a piece, over near Orlando Fl who thinks a mouse counts :) I would rather avoid Disney, if I can help it. :) Anyhoo- > As for AM Stereo, While you all know I just put is back on WSOS 1170 in St. Augustine, the public response has been positive. Not a great response but we have received a few calls complimenting us on being stereo. this nice think about being the only one in the market doing it is we now have some loyal listeners. It sounds really good. That's great- You're getting feedback! :) Now, if we could just get an aircheck for WSOS.... ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Feb 14 03:11:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45744 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 11:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 11:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 11:11:32 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.109.2ca5dd87 (4418) for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:11:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <109.2ca5dd87.2d5f5c5c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:11:24 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.98 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Coffee X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/14/04 5:38:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, jimsmith@vfr.n= et=20 writes: > Man you guys must drink a lot of coffee back east there its just after 6A= M=20 > back there know!!=20=20=20 Coffee,sodas,chocolate..you know the drill [grin]. Saturdays here are a=20 little more slack compared to the rest of the week. However looks like Sund= ay into=20 Monday is just going to be hoppin mad crazy if the weather guessers weather= =20 forecast holds true. Looks like and undetermined amount of snow is headed f= or=20 eastern Va and eastern NC Sunday afternoon into early Monday. Its still to = early=20 to tell yet...besides the weather guessers got it wrong a few days ago when= =20 they sent the poor folks here into a panic with the talk of 4 inches of=20 snow...when it was too warm at 38 degrees ..all it did was rain. Boy did th= ey ever=20 blow that forecast up. Oh..and even a mention of snow here..like snow flurries can clear out a=20 grocery store and all if its bread and water supplies in no time flat.Then = the=20 highways become clogged with sight seers that have no or very little experi= ence=20 and no business driving in winter weather causing accidents ...one right af= ter=20 another. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 14 03:19:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58763 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 11:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 11:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 11:19:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 11:19:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:19:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1542 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.15.80 Subject: Re: Coffee X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith" > wrote: > > Man you guys must drink a lot of coffee back east there its just > after 6AM back there know!! I am lissening to my "A L" right now > and i stiil miss c-quam at alot of stations out here in the > Sacramento Ca area. they started to drop out back in the erly 90's > and i felt perty alone back then . But now i know thats not true. > Like i said before i have two day timers one is old timer "Music of > your life's" KCTC 1320. Back in the late 80 that one had a great mix > of music KNGR 1320 thay played 50's to 70's mellow side of thoughs. > And bible KCBC 770 bible wich i have a hard for me to sit through. > Well i am glad that i am not alone any more am and am stereo Jim > Smith > > Now, imagine life without a SINGLE AMS station for at least 200 miles > in any direction! > > Here on the bay, there has NEVER been an AM stereo station closer to > me than Grants Pass/Asland/Medford, OR and Sacramento, CA, and yet, > because I love to DX, I got into AMS, since some of the stations I > enjoyed were AMS, like KFI back in the days when it was AC/Top-40, > and KBOI which played soft-mix AC/oldies. > > Thank God for DX and AM stereo! > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Hay Amy So dose Grans Pass -Ashland and Medford Or are thay still doing any AMS or did thay drop out to? I do remember KFI AM 640 thay sounded great even on my noisey TM 152. Jim From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 03:23:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88883 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 11:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 11:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 11:23:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 11:23:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:23:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 323 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: Re: Coffee X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > Hay Amy So dose Grans Pass -Ashland and Medford Or are thay still > doing any AMS or did thay drop out to? I do remember KFI AM 640 thay > sounded great even on my noisey TM 152. Jim Sadly, not that I know of. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 14 03:45:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63696 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 11:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 11:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 11:45:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 11:45:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:45:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <109.2ca5dd87.2d5f5c5c@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3353 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.15.80 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Coffee X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 2/14/04 5:38:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 jimsmith@v...=20 > writes: >=20 > > Man you guys must drink a lot of coffee back east there its just=20 after 6AM=20 > > back there know!!=20=20=20 >=20 > Coffee,sodas,chocolate..you know the drill [grin]. Saturdays here=20 are a=20 > little more slack compared to the rest of the week. However looks=20 like Sunday into=20 > Monday is just going to be hoppin mad crazy if the weather guessers=20 weather=20 > forecast holds true. Looks like and undetermined amount of snow is=20 headed for=20 > eastern Va and eastern NC Sunday afternoon into early Monday. Its=20 still to early=20 > to tell yet...besides the weather guessers got it wrong a few days=20 ago when=20 > they sent the poor folks here into a panic with the talk of 4=20 inches of=20 > snow...when it was too warm at 38 degrees ..all it did was rain.=20 Boy did they ever=20 > blow that forecast up. > Oh..and even a mention of snow here..like snow flurries can clear=20 out a=20 > grocery store and all if its bread and water supplies in no time=20 flat.Then the=20 > highways become clogged with sight seers that have no or very=20 little experience=20 > and no business driving in winter weather causing accidents ...one=20 right after=20 > another. >=20 > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > --------------------------------- > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with=20 engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@e...,MidAtlanticEngin@a... > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > --------------------------- >=20 > ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 > Radio------------------------------------------ > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefie= ld Va > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp > Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) > _______________________________________________________ >=20 > * List owner: > Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 > Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 > Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=20=20 Ya the weather can get nuts back there if it ante snow its torrnados=20 and to much rain. Wich we have had to much rain out here to but i am=20 on a small nole of roleing hills in the lower foot hills of the=20 serria moutains. The first part of the storm just blue though here=20 and hardly even did any thing but by the time it gets to you guys it=20 gains sterath. Any way i said in a erlyer post what i understude from=20 some here about IBOC. I kind of exsplane to some like this. I took a=20 peace of paper and i droo a analog wave on it and then i droo a line=20 thruough uper side and the lower side of the analog wave and said in=20 between the line are the digital signal. And then i colored in the=20 humps of the waves and told him thats what digital IBOC is trying to=20 do but its not working very good. Is that about right? Jim Smith From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Feb 14 03:55:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16154 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 11:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 11:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 11:55:44 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-67-124-15-80.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.124.15.80]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i1EBtcB36328; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 03:55:38 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c3f2f0$c16fac60$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 03:50:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: i found two X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hay Amy I found two you mite get one is KACL 930 AM Grants Pas Or and the other is KFLS 1490 AM Klamth Falls Or. See if you can pull in thoughs and let me know. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 05:59:21 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 06:08:08 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 06:21:58 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 06:24:44 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 06:30:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99665 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 14:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 14:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 14:30:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20040214143014.86697.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:30:14 PST Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:30:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.81 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A mouse who doesn't count? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Alan Alsobrook > > wrote: > > > I think there is a Mouse that lives Just down the > road from me a > piece, over near Orlando Fl who thinks a mouse > counts :) > > I would rather avoid Disney, if I can help it. :) > Anyhoo- > > > As for AM Stereo, While you all know I just put is > back on WSOS > 1170 in St. Augustine, the public response has been > positive. Not a > great response but we have received a few calls > complimenting us on > being stereo. this nice think about being the only > one in the market > doing it is we now have some loyal listeners. It > sounds really good. > > That's great- You're getting feedback! :) Now, if we > could just get > an aircheck for WSOS.... ;) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Maybe now that I am quitting (retiring...whatever ) WKDK I can ride down there one weekend with the MD recorder and the SRF-42. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From pd@96wnjo.com Sat Feb 14 07:32:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pd@96wnjo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55570 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 15:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 15:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 15:32:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 15:32:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:32:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 562 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "wnjo960" X-Originating-IP: 67.83.125.168 Subject: Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159836599 X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 > I have never *refused* to visit WOR's transmitter site; I just > haven't *accepted* the invitation, because my opinions would not > change, and neither would those of WOR's engineers. If we disagree > over this message board, then we are going to disagree in person, > as well. Kevin, what have you got to lose? Im going to take Tom Ray up on his offer. At the verry least, you got out of the house for a day, see a 50kw trans site, and have a good corned beef on rye. Why dont you come the same day that I visit? Again, what have you got to lose? From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 10:10:40 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Feb 14 10:12:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95413 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 18:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 18:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 18:12:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 18:12:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:12:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 411 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Hold on to your horses, folks. I would be glad to visit to WOR, just > under one condition: that they would transmit in analog AM Stereo > while I was there, even if just for a few minutes. Heck, even into a > dummy load would count -- just so long as I could record it for all > to hear. As in an A/B comparison vs HD? From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Feb 14 10:36:05 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Feb 14 10:39:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24112 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 18:39:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 18:39:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 18:39:34 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040214183935.NTTJ23539.fed1mtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:39:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:39:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2181378F-5F1D-11D8-B14E-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.243 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, I MJST chime in on this one. I saw the episode of Wallace and Grommet where they went to the moon, and it was indeed made of cheese. Why must I always be the one with FACTS??? On Saturday, February 14, 2004, at 01:32 AM, Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > > > Its like saying the moon is made of cheese [sorry Amy ...lol] ..but > unless > > you go to the moon and see for yourself that the moon isnt made of > cheese [sorry > > again Amy..lol]...sitting here saying the moon is made of cheese > doesnt make > > it so. > > You mean....it ISN'T???? Damn, there goes my plan to get on one of > the new NASA moon missions! :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Feb 14 10:58:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87536 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 18:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 18:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 18:58:32 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.19e.20361314 (4328) for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:58:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19e.20361314.2d5fc9d3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:58:27 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.35 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/14/04 1:14:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 evergreenterrace@buzzle.com writes: > >Hold on to your horses, folks. I would be glad to visit to WOR,=20 > just=20 > >under one condition: that they would transmit in analog AM Stereo=20 > >while I was there, even if just for a few minutes. Heck, even into=20 > a=20 > >dummy load would count -- just so long as I could record it for all=20 > >to hear. >=20 > As in an A/B comparison vs HD?=20=20 >=20 Even if thats what he meant...analog/digital comparison. ..to run his "smok= e=20 cloud dream" setup of analog on a dummy load and then run the digital over = the=20 air...how fair and scientific is that?=20 If one is going to do any comparionsions..each system has to be done in a=20 real world environment.That real world is using an antenna. Anyone with any AM experience will know that running a transmitter into a=20 dummy load [perfect non radiating antenna] and then running the same transm= itter=20 into an antenna and perform a distortion measurement in each setup...those= =20 values of distortion will change to some degree. Example...you may have a distortion factor of say 1% [high I know] on a dum= my=20 load....go to the antenna...depending on your antenna [each antenna system= =20 will vary],that distortion figure might rise to say 3% for sake of discussi= on=20 [again a high figure].Nobody would probably notice 3% distortion except for= a=20 small few.That distortion figure is indicative of alot of things...band pas= s of=20 an antenna..PWM products and the like. The older the transmiter the higher = the=20 distortion figure typically. But the moral of the story and the example...if anyone is going to compare= =20 anything..it has to be done correctly and not half #$#ed Again the silly proposal offered to WOR just goes to show how much someone= =20 does not know about "the dark side" of engineering [grin] Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Feb 14 11:07:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20175 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 19:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 19:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 19:07:51 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.f.2276c7e1 (4328) for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:07:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:07:41 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.1 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/14/04 1:40:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, rwagoner@cox.n= et=20 writes: > OK, I MJST chime in on this one. I saw the episode of Wallace and=20 > Grommet where they went to the moon, and it was indeed made of cheese. >=20 > Why must I always be the one with FACTS??? >=20 LOL...man!,another upseting upstage and cover blowing blow. You werent=20 suppose to tell everyone that the moon was really made of cheese...heck we'= ll never=20 hear from Amy now after today.Next you know he'll be teaming up with NASA a= nd=20 hi-jacking...eeer I mean taking the next rocket to the moon. This is just terrible.=20=20=20 lol Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Feb 14 11:23:41 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Feb 14 12:14:44 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Feb 14 12:35:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41683 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 20:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 20:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 20:35:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 20:35:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:35:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19e.20361314.2d5fc9d3@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1076 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > Even if thats what he meant...analog/digital comparison. ..to run his "smoke > cloud dream" setup of analog on a dummy load and then run the digital over the > air...how fair and scientific is that? Not at all. I just couldn't imagine him wanting to do anything less. If he wanted to fire it up just to hear c-quam on WOR, he should hope the alarm clock rings so he can wake up from that dream. Let's be serious. > Anyone with any AM experience will know that running a transmitter into a > dummy load [perfect non radiating antenna] and then running the same transmitter > into an antenna and perform a distortion measurement in each setup...those > values of distortion will change to some degree. It can change alot based on so many factors in the antenna system. In most cases, a dummy is an almost perfect match. You can't expect the same thing from a dummy load situation vs an antenna system... especially if the antenna system is directional (and with all the traps WOR has). From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Feb 14 12:41:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4663 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 20:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 20:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.193) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 20:41:13 -0000 Received: from storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 1E906BF3F for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:41:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id MAA09293; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:41:12 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQr7Crj+cG7I3sC1aQvyHUR84jECwIUJzdGYIcTB1i988UtS2JhMPxwtzA= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:41:12 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <18639-402E87E8-987@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 14 Feb 2004 08:04:06 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.193 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Humorous EBS/EAS Recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 A few years ago, a local FM station Z-92 (KEZO) 92.3 Omaha had an EBS test message with the voice (or a sound-a-like) of Mr. Scott from Star Trek ( James Doohan ). It was kinda funny to hear Mr. Scott's voice " If this were an actual emergency, you would be instructed where to tune ....." of course on Star Trek, everything WAS a Major emergency, or so it seemed!! :) ==================================== Z-92 I belive is the back up Primary EBS station, KFAB-AM is the Primary EBS now EAS station for Central Eastern Nebraska/ South West Iowa. For you who don't know how the EAS works, here the lowdown. All other broadcast stations in a given area have a special radio tuned to the primary station, that "hears" the high pitched Tone and Data Bursts,( this opens up the audio squelch on the EAS radio) and the stations are to repeat whatever weather or amber alert or other urgent message that has been sent out to the public. The setup is very similar to what is used with NOAA Weather radio broadcasts. Amber alerts are the responsibity of the State Highway Patrol to issue. Most of the time here it is for tornado or flood warnings. Nebraska also does a statewide EAS activation test once a month. Other states may well do the same. Stations do periodic EAS "Tests" as well. Many broadcast stations now have an automatic cut in of the EAS message cut in over the existing program material done right at the station(s) transmitter site. Here In Omaha & Lincoln , NE (on severe weather alerts) Most stations usually divert from their normal programming and go to " Storm Team coverage" simulcasted on all a groups AM & FM stations. (especially IF Omaha, Council Bluffs, OR Lincoln is in the path of the approaching storm, tornado). The local TV stations do the same and often share resources with the AM and FM stations they are teamed up with for severe storm events. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Feb 14 13:44:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48523 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 21:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 21:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.193) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 21:44:02 -0000 Received: from storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 89D02C04A for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id NAA11157; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:44:02 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR+PVFAVLVO3pZzoqv390L9lc/dTgIUEDYw8lLKWJcyRASEpLhT76jHLiE= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:44:02 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <18640-402E96A2-946@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 14 Feb 2004 10:49:16 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.193 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tours of a lifetime X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I would give a lot to see the WOR transmitter site, digital and all, Only some 1500 miles away. I Have had the experience of getting the grand transmitter tour at KFAB-AM 1110 Omaha,NE (and Fm sister station KGOR -Auxiliary 99.9) back in 1983 when they were preparing to add Motorola AM Stereo. Sadly, I didn't get to see the exciter. It was a neat tour. KOIL 1290 had a neat site , also. >>The only other neater thing (than an AM transmitter site) is a Phone Company tour of an electro-mechanical Central Office! I had the tour of the old Step-by-Step system at the Hospital I had worked at as a teenager, A large Step-by-Step (Strowger) office (LT&T) at Nebraska City, NE 402-873-xxxx , The "TErrace" Exchange in West Omaha, NE # 5 Crossbar// ESS 402-391,392, 393, 397,390 And the "West Center" Exchange also in Omaha # 5 Crossbar (XB). 402-330,333,334 Too bad I never got a tour of Of the OLD # 1 XB 402-551,553,556,558 GLenwood/WAlnut/ REgent/ CApital exchange my phone service came out of for many years. 556 & 558 were # 1 XB until 1984. Dad had REgent 1538 for many years. Any one out there recall memories of your local phone office, Before ESS? How about your favorite Radio Station tour? Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From michaelj@vcn.com Sat Feb 14 14:09:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35710 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 22:08:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 22:08:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 22:08:59 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.102.105]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:08:59 -0700 To: Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:08:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <18640-402E96A2-946@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.40 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Tours of a lifetime X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow! I think I'm with you Bill. I'd love to see the inside of a phone company C.O. I think that would be awesome! I'm sure so much of it is all digital stuff these days and probably not as impressive as what you got to see....but I've never seen anything like that and I'd be loving it! Back in about 1992 I got a tour of KTWO's transmitter, just east of Casper. Randy Evans gave me the 50 cent tour. He even pointed out the new Delta Electronics C-Quam exciter sitting in the equipment rack. He said they couldn't install it because he discovered the old transmitter wasn't compatible for stereo. I want to say it was an old vintage 1950s RCA or maybe a Gates. The thing was massive, though. It was huge! Took up the whole room! I remember him saying "hey, it is still reliable as sin! And as long as I can keep fixing it, they won't be buying a new one anytime soon." He explained that they had the exciter and if something happened one day that they'd need a new trasmitter, they'd be able to install the stereo exciter. Well, as luck would have it, indeed something DID happen a few years later. They had a major meltdown....may have been lightning or something. And the old transmitter was finally finished and non-fixable. So they DID buy a new Harris transmitter. I don't know if they bought it equipped for stereo or not. I do remember him telling me that they tried it. Originally, since the site was not visible from their studios downtown, they were shooting the AM's audio via STL up to Casper Mtn (where companion KMGW-FM 94.5 was located) and then beaming from there down to the AM site about 10 miles east of town. These are MONO STL's, mind you. He said they went through the trouble to get "equalized phone lines" from the phone company so that they'd have stereo audio going out to the transmitter. But I guess the phone company couldn't get it right. He said the audio was dirty as hell and just sounded like crap! So they went back to the STL system and that is how it is to this day. Now these guys are part of the evil empire. I did speak with the engineer at the time a few years ago and he mentioned that he remembers the Delta stereo exciter still sitting around somewhere. I remember he said "yeah, come on up some day and maybe we can do a trade or something for it." I seriously doubt now that anything like that would be able to occur. So like many many ClearChannel stations, the stereo exciter is sitting there collecting dust. And unlike many of them, this Delta stereo exciter is UNUSED. They never were able to use it. That would probably be my favorite transmitter site tour to date. There's still plenty I'd love to see. I'm hoping someday I can bug John Dehnel enough to give me the grand tour of KSL's transmitter. I've mentioned it a few times, but he hasn't bitten. He's a busy guy lately especially with Bonneville just acquiring several stations in the Salt Lake market from Simmons. So they're setting up new studios and so forth. He did however find time to send me a small air check of KSL in AM Stereo, recorded right after he installed the Kahn stereo system on the old 1932 Western Electric transmitter back in about 1982 some time. Now THAT is a gem!! It's not very long...only about 30 seconds, but has DJ Tom Bock saying "....here on AM Stereo KSL. Here's the Mamas and the Papas now." and into "California Dreaming." Now is THAT a song to check stereo separation with or what!? :) I'll have to upload that to the site. I'll do that right now. Also have an aircheck of KUTR 1320 in stereo from 1991 that I'm "scoping down" to put on the site. Check the FTP site and you should see the KSL aircheck in the Utah folder. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: oldphones@webtv.net [mailto:oldphones@webtv.net] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 2:44 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tours of a lifetime I would give a lot to see the WOR transmitter site, digital and all, Only some 1500 miles away. I Have had the experience of getting the grand transmitter tour at KFAB-AM 1110 Omaha,NE (and Fm sister station KGOR -Auxiliary 99.9) back in 1983 when they were preparing to add Motorola AM Stereo. Sadly, I didn't get to see the exciter. It was a neat tour. KOIL 1290 had a neat site , also. >>The only other neater thing (than an AM transmitter site) is a Phone Company tour of an electro-mechanical Central Office! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 14:09:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95268 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 22:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 22:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 22:09:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20040214220933.46809.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:09:33 PST Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:09:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <18639-402E87E8-987@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Humorous EBS/EAS Recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- oldphones@webtv.net wrote: >> For you who don't know how the EAS works, here > the lowdown. All > other broadcast stations in a given area have a > special radio tuned to > the primary station, that "hears" the high pitched > Tone and Data > Bursts,( this opens up the audio squelch on the EAS > radio) and the > stations are to repeat whatever weather or amber > alert or other urgent > message that has been sent out to the public. The > setup is very > similar to what is used with NOAA Weather radio > broadcasts. Amber > alerts are the responsibity of the State Highway > Patrol to issue. > Most of the time here it is for tornado or > flood warnings. > Nebraska also does a statewide EAS activation test > once a month. It's required nationally. RMT or Required monthly test. A station MUST forward it from the LP-1 immediately. And then log it. And the LP-2 you log. Other > states may well do the same. Stations do periodic > EAS "Tests" as well. This one is the RWT or REQUIRED WEEKLY TEST. You only log the LP-1 and LP-2, but you MUST run your own locally. And log this too. > Many broadcast stations now have an automatic > cut in of the EAS > message cut in over the existing program material > done right at the > station(s) transmitter site. That's the way it should be done. Powell @ WKDK until 6. And fast ZZZZ and back awake at 4 to sign back on at 6 AM. That's another reason I'm leaving. No weekend devilment. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Feb 14 14:13:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98323 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 22:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 22:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 22:13:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 22:13:53 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55676 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 20:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 20:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 20:25:09 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.1e0.19897dc6 (4426) for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:24:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1e0.19897dc6.2d5fde17@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:24:55 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.103 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Feb 2004 22:13:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 With WOR struggling in the ratings, I think the station should reduce it's night power to a more reasonable 4.5 kW, and allow for the shift of the 50 kW day/night assignment from WOR to Kansas City's higher-rated KCMO. New York doesn't need THAT MANY 50 kW blowtorches. Besides, most New Yorkers won't miss WOR (as low as their ratings have been), when they've switched to WINS, WCBS and WABC for news and talk in recent years. And, I have a QSL card from a reception of WOR in 1988: they DID BROADCAST in C-QUAM AM Stereo at one time. That's another inaccuracy on Tom and Kerry's part. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 IBOC SUCKS...AM and FM Radio MUST REMAIN ANALOG ONLY! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Feb 14 14:27:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97703 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 22:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 22:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 22:27:29 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040214222730.QLVE3721.fed1mtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:27:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:27:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.242 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: How to transfer multiple files across a netwrok ?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you're on a network, then you just log on to the "host" computer and=20 transfer the files. At least that's how I do it with two (or more) Macs=20 or a Mac and a Windows PC. After I connect, then the "host" computer is=20 seen by the other one as a mounted volume; I can then transfer anything=20 to or from the host (depending on the permissions I set for file=20 sharing). I can even run programs across the network. I have never=20 tried it with two Windows PCs, but would assume it is similar (if not=20 far more complicated than it needs to be, as Windows usually is) ... Richard Wagoner On Saturday, February 14, 2004, at 12:14 PM, Dave wrote: > I have an amount of=A0 MP3's I want to transfer from a laptop to my > main pc via my ad-hoc network. How can I do this easily as ICQ / MSN > are not able to support more that one file at a time ? > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Feb 14 14:30:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18978 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 22:30:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 22:30:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 22:30:49 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040214223049.QCQX23539.fed1mtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:30:49 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:30:46 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6F21DA69-5F3D-11D8-B14E-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.243 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tours of a lifetime X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's the station that came in quite well 25 miles South of Los Angeles the other night at 8:00. Richard On Saturday, February 14, 2004, at 02:08 PM, Michael J. Richard wrote: > Back in about 1992 I got a tour of KTWO's transmitter, just east of > Casper [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 14:30:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19032 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 22:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 22:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 22:30:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20040214223053.48942.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:30:53 PST Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:30:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <18640-402E96A2-946@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tours of a lifetime X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- oldphones@webtv.net wrote: > I would give a lot to see the WOR transmitter > site, digital and > all, Only some 1500 miles away. HAH! I'm driving some 1700+ at the end of the month. > I Have had the experience of getting the > grand transmitter tour > at KFAB-AM 1110 Omaha,NE > (and Fm sister station KGOR -Auxiliary 99.9) back > in 1983 when they > were preparing to add Motorola AM Stereo. Sadly, I > didn't get to see > the exciter. It was a neat tour. KOIL 1290 had a > neat site , also. I'm going to try to see WBT soon. > >>The only other neater thing (than an AM > transmitter site) is a > Phone Company tour of an electro-mechanical Central > Office! I think the 1922 vintage ALpine office in Columbia SC would have been nice. > I had the tour of the old Step-by-Step system > at the Hospital I had > worked at as a teenager, A large Step-by-Step > (Strowger) office (LT&T) > at Nebraska City, NE 402-873-xxxx , The > "TErrace" Exchange in West > Omaha, NE # 5 Crossbar// ESS 402-391,392, 393, > 397,390 And the > "West Center" Exchange also in Omaha # 5 Crossbar > (XB). > 402-330,333,334 Seen #5's and some CDO step stuff. > Too bad I never got a tour of Of the > OLD # 1 XB 402-551,553,556,558 GLenwood/WAlnut/ > REgent/ CApital > exchange my phone service came out of for many > years. 556 & 558 were # > 1 XB until 1984. Dad had REgent 1538 for many > years. > Any one out there recall memories of your local > phone office, Before > ESS? I was MR 411 at BellSouth whilst during WKDK part time. We never had any #1 crossbars here. How about your favorite Radio Station tour? The now silent WSHB near Estill SC ( the Chrisitian Science Monitor SW station). I still want to see WLW. And I can give tours until the 29th of the month here at WKDK on weekends. BOOK NOW!!! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Feb 14 14:33:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90751 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 22:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 22:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 22:32:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 22:32:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:32:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 143 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.7.98 Subject: OT: New group for Skystar owners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan If you have a Skystar satellite pc card you may wish to join a new group I setup this afternoon http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/technisat/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 14:35:37 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 14:43:05 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 14:54:46 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 15:33:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35327 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 23:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 23:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 23:33:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 23:33:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:33:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2181378F-5F1D-11D8-B14E-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 329 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > OK, I MJST chime in on this one. I saw the episode of Wallace and > Grommet where they went to the moon, and it was indeed made of cheese. Seen it, too. Brilliant short. :) > Why must I always be the one with FACTS??? =giggle= Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 15:37:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41616 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 23:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 23:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 23:37:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 23:37:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:37:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 927 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: {AMSF} Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 2/14/04 1:40:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, rwagoner@c... > writes: > > > OK, I MJST chime in on this one. I saw the episode of Wallace and > > Grommet where they went to the moon, and it was indeed made of cheese. > > > > Why must I always be the one with FACTS??? > > > > LOL...man!,another upseting upstage and cover blowing blow. You werent > suppose to tell everyone that the moon was really made of cheese...heck we'll never > hear from Amy now after today.Next you know he'll be teaming up with NASA and > hi-jacking...eeer I mean taking the next rocket to the moon. > > This is just terrible. > lol =smile= :) Don';t forget my bouncing radios off the moon- Gotta do a few "moonbounce" experiments, too. :) See how far I can bounce a tube radio off the cheese, or if an AMS radio bounces further. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 15:45:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76317 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 23:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 23:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 23:45:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 23:45:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:45:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18639-402E87E8-987@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 823 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Humorous EBS/EAS Recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > A few years ago, a local FM station Z-92 (KEZO) 92.3 Omaha had > an EBS test message with the voice (or a sound-a-like) of Mr. Scott from > Star Trek ( James Doohan ). > It was kinda funny to hear Mr. Scott's voice " If this were an actual > emergency, you would be instructed where to tune ....." of course on > Star Trek, everything WAS a Major emergency, or so it seemed!! :) The NRC audio site (now moved elsewhere, apparently) had a funny EBS that sounds like a Stan Freberg job, that changed the familiar tone to "Mary Had a Little Lamb" with one sustained note- It was funny. :) I figure there HAS to be other similar bits of radio humor floating around- After all, even radio needs to poke some fun at itself. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 15:55:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54676 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 23:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2004 23:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 23:55:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2004 23:55:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:55:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6F21DA69-5F3D-11D8-B14E-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 484 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.219 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tours of a lifetime X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > That's the station that came in quite well 25 miles South of Los > Angeles the other night at 8:00. > > Richard > > On Saturday, February 14, 2004, at 02:08 PM, Michael J. Richard wrote: > > > Back in about 1992 I got a tour of KTWO's transmitter, just east of > > Casper I used to listen to KTWO on some weekends when I was young- They had some great music way back when. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Feb 14 17:07:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93190 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 01:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 01:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.15) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 01:07:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:07:15 -0800 Received: from 172.128.255.55 by bay7-dav43.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:07:15 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <18640-402E96A2-946@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:58:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2004 01:07:15.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CCC6E40:01C3F360] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.15 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.128.255.55] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tours of a lifetime X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 oldphones@webtv.net wrote: > I would give a lot to see the WOR transmitter site, digital and all, Yea me too! Two other REAL kewl stations to take the tour of are WKDK in Newberry, SC and WLBE Eustis, FL Keep the glass glowing guys! Kevin From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Feb 14 17:11:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24608 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 01:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 01:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.153) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 01:11:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:11:07 -0800 Received: from 65.144.15.188 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:11:07 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:11:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2004 01:11:07.0464 (UTC) FILETIME=[97241480:01C3F360] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.153 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [65.144.15.188] Subject: Re: Telephone Memories X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I worked for BellSouth for 32 years, and was an engineer (note I do not use the capital E) for about 25 of those years. I was responsible for 355 sxs #1 sxs #1 x-bar, which was a toll switch, #5 x-bar, # 1,2, & 3 analog ess offices, along with DMS-100 and #4 and #5 ess offices, although obviously not all at the same time. I also was responsible for the old 3CL switchboards and the TSPS line-ups which replaced them. My last job was supervisor of engineering with BellSouth's toll control offices. It was my priviledge to travel all over the USA both as an engineer and as an instructor. I enjoyed my time with the "phone factory" and especially the people I knew, and still know, from the company. Those are my telephone memories. Do any of the other forum members have some to share? MTGC _________________________________________________________________ Let the advanced features & services of MSN Internet Software maximize your online time. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200363ave/direct/01/ From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Feb 14 17:18:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 632 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 01:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 01:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.17) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 01:18:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:18:09 -0800 Received: from 172.128.255.55 by bay7-dav45.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:18:09 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040214142443.13653.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:09:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2004 01:18:09.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[92D73320:01C3F361] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.17 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.128.255.55] Subject: OT: Politics Was: WOR, C-Quam and Kahn and visitors. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >IF I had to pick a Democrat it would be Lieberman. Ther others don't cut it. My choice from the current crop of Democrats would be Rev. Al Sharpton! Reverend Al in the White House would be a helluva show! My first choice for President would be "B-1 Bob" Robert K. Dornan, former congressman from California. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Feb 14 17:23:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86861 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 01:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 01:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 01:23:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:23:44 -0800 Received: from 172.128.255.55 by bay7-dav52.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:23:44 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <18639-402E87E8-987@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:15:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2004 01:23:44.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A530280:01C3F362] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.41 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.128.255.55] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Humorous EBS/EAS Recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 oldphones@webtv.net wrote: > A few years ago, a local FM station Z-92 (KEZO) 92.3 Omaha had an EBS test message with the voice (or a sound-a-like) of Mr. Scott from Star Trek A few years back, (Top-40) WQOK 1440 had a KEWL singing EBS test. The FCC then outlawed them. The Feds just HAVE to kill all of the fun! LOL Kevin From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 17:38:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25749 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 01:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 01:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 01:38:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 01:38:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:38:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1274 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: weak signal am stereo > mono on SRF-42.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Is there any way to force the SRF-42 to decode stereo even when there's no signal present? I often find when I'm getting signals trying to decide whether to be mono or stereo, that the sound that my particular radio makes when doing that often makes an otherwise audible station unlistenable. (I also notice this when in mono mode, too - there's something about the radio that makes very weak signals a bit less listenable than they should be.) Is there any way to cure this, so I can squeeze the extra few microvolts per meter out of my radio? There are some stations I believe I can hear and actually LISTEN to with lesser quality radios that while it's stronger on the SRF-42, the stereo/mono AM thing obliterates it. :( Should I invest in an SRF-A300 instead so I can record off of Radio Disney in stereo and not have to buy some Radio Disney CDs? Also what kind of antenna do I get for it so I can pull in skywave at a certain angle, for example if I wanted to hear Radio Disney 620 KMKI Plano, TX, out from under KTAR 620 Phoenix, AZ (listening from El Cajon, CA)? Or does anyone have any suggestions for a good AM Stereo radio (preferably digitally tuned) that is at least as good (audio quality, selectivity, sensitivity) as the SRF-42, on ebay or somewhere? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 17:52:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51884 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 01:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 01:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 01:52:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 01:52:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:52:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.6 Subject: Re: Humorous EBS/EAS Recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I figure there HAS to be other similar bits of radio humor floating > around- After all, even radio needs to poke some fun at itself. :) There's this: http://www.mindspring.com/~lownoise/wwv.html From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 17:56:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48044 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 01:56:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 01:56:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 01:56:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 01:56:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:56:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 222 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.6 Subject: Re: OT: Politics Was: WOR, C-Quam and Kahn and visitors. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > My choice from the current crop of Democrats would be Rev. > Al Sharpton! > Reverend Al in the White House would be a helluva show! How about the *other* Kerry who's running for President? http://www.kerryforprez.us/ From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Feb 14 18:05:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98192 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 02:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 02:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.117) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 02:05:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:05:56 -0800 Received: from 172.128.255.55 by bay7-dav13.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:05:56 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:56:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2004 02:05:56.0435 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F853A30:01C3F368] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.117 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.128.255.55] Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR, C-Quam and Kahn and visitors. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kerry Richards wrote: > WOR however, did have a Kahn Powerside which as y'all know can do stereo, just ain't legal. We shipped it far away to some guy who needed it for his poorly performing short spaced AM. How on earth did they get Kahn to re-tune it? > > We were glad to see it go out the door. LOL, I bet! > > I still am dying to get into any plant I can to see how it works. Me too! Transmitter sites are always the best tourist destinations! One of these days I do want to go up to NY and see the WOR plant for myself. Perhaps I can get into the field stregth reading party when you move to the new plant? > > You won't get past the front door, in most broadcast facilities. And that in itself is a shame. After all, what kind of corporate secrets do they hide in a transmitter shack? Or are they running with a million violations that they want nobody to see? Hmmmmm. WKDK had to be one of the best radio station tours I have taken in a long time, It is well worth the drive to Newberry! Powel even put me on the air talking about tube radio equipment. > > Maybe we are the crazy ones. High energy RF fields will do that to ya! LOL Kevin in Tampa From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Feb 14 18:05:58 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Feb 14 18:17:15 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Feb 14 18:29:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63561 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 02:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 02:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 02:29:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:29:10 -0800 Received: from 172.128.255.55 by bay7-dav28.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:29:10 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040213035253.84722.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:20:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2004 02:29:10.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E9C7960:01C3F36B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.85 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.128.255.55] Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WGUL-FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tn S. wrote: > As far as I can remember, WGUL-FM has had bad audio....Even when they were on 96.1 That's funny because now 96.1 has pretty good sound quality. > > Then there's WTMP-FM 96.1 (a former WGUL-FM, as there have been 3: 105.5, 96.1 and 106.3)...WTMP-FM is Mono. And it is a TRUE Mono station, not just a stereo exciter with the pilot turned off because their audio goes out to 20KC! > >..How good is their signal in Tampa... Here in Thonotosassa, it is a bit hissy with some QRM on my factory Toyota radio, but sounds great on my YB-400PE, as well as my Dynaco and Magnum Dynalabs FM tuners. Even my Aiwa sounds good on it. Want me to snag an aircheck and put it on a tape or CD for you? I should upload a WGUL aircheck to amuse list members, but still, it does not top the WPJM aircheck I posted a few months ago! LOL Kevin From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 18:59:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19905 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 02:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 02:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11908.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.192) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 02:59:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20040215025923.41930.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.51.240.204] by web11908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:59:23 PST Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:59:23 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.192 From: "Tn S." Subject: WTMP-FM (and FMs that transmit in excess of 15khz.) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin in Fla. (or anyone that may know): Are most FM tuners capable of receiving a 20khz. wide FM signal, or should I take one of my higher end rigs with me in March? I'm glad you gave me the heads up, because I usually have been putting the DAT on 32khz. mode of late..... --tony --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Sat Feb 14 19:00:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25306 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 03:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 03:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 03:00:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 03:00:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:00:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 483 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Anyway... if Leonard Kahn is invited to visit WOR and accepts, then > I'd be glad to join him. But until then, I'd much rather sit in > my basement and spew out psychobabble... or so some people seem to > think. Leonard Kahn was invited.....several times in the past. Since he and I don't see eye to eye at all, he has refused.....especially since I pulled his PowerSide in 1998. His loss. T From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 19:05:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70470 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 03:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 03:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 03:05:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20040215030514.33134.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.116] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:05:14 PST Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:05:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tours of a lifetime X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > oldphones@webtv.net wrote: > > I would give a lot to see the WOR transmitter > site, digital and all, > > Yea me too! > > Two other REAL kewl stations to take the tour of are > WKDK in Newberry, SC > and WLBE Eustis, FL > > Keep the glass glowing guys! > > Kevin As I said....... 2 more weekends and I'm going....Ya'll better book with me fast! Taking reservations.... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From tomray@wor710.com Sat Feb 14 19:05:20 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 19:07:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90783 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 03:07:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 03:07:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 03:07:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20040215030738.50017.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.116] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:07:38 PST Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:07:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.89 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Telephone Memories X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > I worked for BellSouth for 32 years, and was an > engineer (note I do not use > the capital E) for about 25 of those years. > > I was responsible for 355 sxs #1 sxs #1 x-bar, > which was a toll switch, #5 > x-bar, # 1,2, & 3 analog ess offices, along with > DMS-100 and #4 and #5 ess The funny thing was with the #2 ESS, it went clll unk lunk ringggg. the #3 was an even slower set up Klunk................klunkkkk------klunk ....rinnng. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 19:09:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36001 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 03:09:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 03:09:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 03:09:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 03:09:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:09:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040215030514.33134.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 407 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 68.51.240.204 Subject: WLBE/Leesburg-Eustis?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > > Two other REAL kewl stations to take the tour of are > > WKDK in Newberry, SC > > and WLBE Eustis, FL How so is WLBE 790 Leesburg a 'kewl' station to tour? I used to listen to them loyally Freshman year in Gainesville at UF in '94 back when they were still playing music. It was a cross between Nostalgia and Soft Adult Contemporary..It was a shame to hear them go Talk....Monster signal. --tony From tomray@wor710.com Sat Feb 14 19:09:54 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 19:22:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45432 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 03:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 03:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 03:22:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 03:22:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:22:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 288 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 209.30.155.88 Subject: the Kiwa AM Loop X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Some of you may already be familar with this guy... but, if you're not, this auction has some GREAT "super sized" shots of Kiwa's AM Loop antenna. It's a shame that night- time IBOC may make a beauty such as this obsolete: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3076899263 From tomray@wor710.com Sat Feb 14 19:27:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24938 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 03:27:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 03:27:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 03:27:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 03:27:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:27:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c3f2d3$8f2fc680$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3517 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Tom and Kerry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith" wrote: > Hi gang I just waned to ask a qeustion of Tom and Kerry . What the ground wave range of your IBOC signal? I live a 100 mile NE of Berkly Ca. Thats where KFRC AM 610 has there 5kw trannsmitter is at right on the shore of the north bay. And points east of me can hear them just fine. And the tower is only 447 feet. I live at thr elev. of 600 feet above sea level wich thats where there tower is at sea level. I am just cureruse about 50kw signal will it have less range then the analog 50kw anlog will have? Just wondering . Jim Smith > Hi Jim: First you need to understand the FCC definition of an AM station's coverage. During the day, your grade B coverage is to the .5mV/M contour....at night, the Nighttime Interference Free limit is between 5mV/M to 2mV/M....I'd have to look it up for the class of station we're talking about. Anyway, the iBiquity system is designed to operate to the 0.5mV/M contour. Taking a couple of directions in the WOR signal.....if you look on a map, locate Rutherford, NJ (I doubt you'd find Lyndhurst, which is just south of Rutherford). The WOR signal is basically a bent figure 8....the bottom of the figure 8 goes directly towards Philly (85KW equivalent). The top of the figure 8 is bent over to the east and aims directly at the eastern end of Long Island (160KW equivalent). There is a mother of a notch to the north/north-west (this is about 5KW). There is another notch, not quite so deep, towards the Atlantic Ocean. Since the fish don't get Arbitron books, we won't talk about them! The 0.5mV/M measured contour of WOR is about 3/4 the way out on Long Island from the City. From Lyndhurst in the direction of Philly, it is at the Delaware Bridge on I-95, just south of Philly and 95 miles from the transmitter. In the direction of Allentown, PA (follow I-78 out from Newark), it is about 72 miles at the eastern border of Allentown. To the northwest (find route 17 and go north), it is about the New York/New Jersey line, a distance of 20 miles. Predictions in this direction show it to be about 25-26 miles, but in practice it is around where I said due to terrain and other issues. Incidentally, at the NAB Radio Show in Philly this October, the WOR IBOC signal could be heard on radios at the iBiquity booth inside the convention center. Yes, they had a loop antenna on the roof, but it was not amplified, and I'm not the only one who heard it. OK. Having this basic ground work, the IBOC coverage goes out just about to the 3/4 point on Long Island (this is almost to the forks....about 7-8 miles west of them...I apologize for not knowing the actual mileage), goes to the Delaware Bridge, falls apart at the Allentown City limit, and falls apart at the NY/NJ line on route 17, though I can hear it sporatically north of there depending on many factors. Speaking strictly of coverage as defined by the FCC, the digital coverage for all intents and purposes is equal to the analog coverage. Realistically speaking, we all know you can hear an AM station beyond the 0.5mV contour. Chances of decoding the IBOC signal beyond the 0.5mV contour are slim, as the signal level is too low and, as you know, is easily affected by any type of electrical or atmospheric noise and skywave at night. So that's my long winded answer. If I confused you or if you want me to elaborate, or answer another question, ask away! TR From tomray@wor710.com Sat Feb 14 19:39:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64150 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 03:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 03:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 03:39:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 03:39:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:39:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 624 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tours of a lifetime X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Wow! I think I'm with you Bill. I'd love to see the inside of a phone > company C.O. I think that would be awesome! I'm sure so much of it is all > digital stuff these days and probably not as impressive as what you got to > see.... The last time I was in a phone co. CO, this one still had one of the relay switches in operation. That was quite the sight to see....the digital floors weren't much but noisy equipment racks with flashing lights. The impressive thing is the main frame.....that's quite the wiring job! TR From tomray@wor710.com Sat Feb 14 19:44:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43124 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 03:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 03:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 03:44:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 03:44:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:44:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1e0.19897dc6.2d5fde17@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1433 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: {AMSF} So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > With WOR struggling in the ratings, I think the station should reduce it's > night power to a more reasonable 4.5 kW, and allow for the shift of the 50 kW > day/night assignment from WOR to Kansas City's higher-rated KCMO. Even with the lower ratings WOR has had of late, we still have a higher cume than KCMO could ever dream of. There aren't that many people in Kansas! New York > doesn't need THAT MANY 50 kW blowtorches. Besides, most New Yorkers won't miss WOR > (as low as their ratings have been), when they've switched to WINS, WCBS and > WABC for news and talk in recent years. And that goes to show your respect, or lack thereof, of a historic station and call letters. > > And, I have a QSL card from a reception of WOR in 1988: they DID BROADCAST in > C-QUAM AM Stereo at one time. That's another inaccuracy on Tom and Kerry's > part. I would like to see a scan of that. There are no records and no evidence of C-Quam equipment ever being at WOR. The studios are and always have been MONO. And in 1988, the station was going through an FCC ordered "fire sale" for illegalities on part of RKO/General Corporation.....I can guarantee you that there were no capital equipment purchases from 1986-1989 when Buckley bought the station. I have the records to prove it. So that shows how accurate YOUR information is. TR From tomray@wor710.com Sat Feb 14 19:45:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 639 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 03:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 03:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 03:45:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 03:45:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:45:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: How to transfer multiple files across a netwrok ?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Richard: Same procedure, different operating system. And possibly slightly=20 different method, but you get the same results. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > If you're on a network, then you just log on to the "host" computer=20 and=20 > transfer the files. At least that's how I do it with two (or more)=20 Macs=20 > or a Mac and a Windows PC. After I connect, then the "host"=20 computer is=20 > seen by the other one as a mounted volume; I can then transfer=20 anything=20 > to or from the host (depending on the permissions I set for file=20 > sharing). I can even run programs across the network. I have=20 never=20 > tried it with two Windows PCs, but would assume it is similar (if=20 not=20 > far more complicated than it needs to be, as Windows usually is) ... >=20 > Richard Wagoner >=20 >=20 > On Saturday, February 14, 2004, at 12:14 PM, Dave wrote: >=20 > > I have an amount of=A0 MP3's I want to transfer from a laptop to my > > main pc via my ad-hoc network. How can I do this easily as ICQ /=20 MSN > > are not able to support more that one file at a time ? > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > =A0 > > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > =A0 > > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 Service. > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Sat Feb 14 19:47:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54568 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 03:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 03:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 03:47:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 03:47:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:47:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 352 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: IBOC vs. C-Quam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: They have yet > to offer any "real world" samples of IBOC, so offering "real world" > samples of C-Quam would not be a fair comparison. Next Friday night. I will be recording on the way into the office one day this week. You want real world, you'll get real world. TR From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Feb 14 20:19:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92361 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 04:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 04:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 04:19:04 -0000 Received: from storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 2749ABEF3 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:19:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id UAA23809; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:18:58 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRY92Lprxorz0h1btYit212EL7AdwIUG9GGfji458UmqCNRAk6DaR1vd9s= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:18:58 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: oldphones@webtv.net Message-ID: <18641-402EF332-1320@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 15 Feb 2004 02:05:58 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Web sites RE: WECO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Michael wrote: "KSL has/ or had a 1932 Western Electric Transmitter outfitted with an AM Stereo Exciter" THAT would be a sight. We tend to think of "Western Electric" as the maker of Bell Phones, But WECO in it's early days, was very much into early AM transmitters and Audio Equipment. Right up there with RCA as a premier source of radio equipment. WECO even made a few FM transmitters, as well. Western Electric got out of the radio business after the 1956 consent decree with the DOJ, They then refocused their business on the phone business. Kinda ironic that "Lucent" (WEco's current successor) is "pushing" IBOC. Clear Channel's WLW Cincinnati Has an 1927 vintage WECO transmitter recently restored to operation as one of their Five 50 KW rigs, They have a Crosley transmitter as well. Crosley Corp. owed WLW for a number of years under Powel Crosley's watchful eye. WLW was featured on Scott Fybush's Tower Site Tour website. A must see website for anyone interested in tower sites. WLW transmitters & tower site is one of those truly amazing sights to behold, they have one of the very few Knox-Blaw diamond towers left!! Scott's site --- I think it is WWW.FYBUSH.COM For those interested in the Phone Company's Central Offices (C.O."s) There is a telephone museum run by Qwest and the Telephone Pioneers in Seattle, WA with ALL major types of operating equipment IE: Strowger Step-By-Step, Panel, # 1 & # 5 Crossbar, IMTS Radio Equipment, An XY switch, etc... They are said to have the ONLY operating "panel" style phone switch left in the World ! ( 1920"s technology on display ) I will try to find the address for the "Vintage phone museum" when I get a chance. It's is a very impressive web site with a lot of pictures of the Qwest Seattle facility // museum!! If a trip to Seattle is not feasible then, This web site is "the next best thing to being there" :) Bill S. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 20:26:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58988 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 04:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 04:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 04:26:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 04:26:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 04:26:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 798 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.6 Subject: Re: Kahn artist X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Why? You are not a supporter of KAHN ISB, only C-QUAM. Says who? I have a multi-system AM Stereo generator, and numerous multi-system receivers. My signal can be C-Quam, Harris, Kahn, or Magnavox, at the push of a button. For example, here's what it sounds like in Harris CPM mode, with a jury-rigged 55 Hz pilot tone so my Sony STR-AV470 could properly receive it in Harris mode: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/demos/harris.mp3 FYI, audio processing for that sample is a CRL AM Stereo Matrix Processor teamed with "Sound Solution" -- a free WinAmp plug-in providing Optimod-quality multi-band AGC, compression, and limiting. On this site, you can find another AM Stereo audio sample, made with Sound Solution doing all the processing by itself: http://www.geocities.com/kevtronics/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 20:41:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37689 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 04:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 04:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 04:41:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 04:40:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 04:40:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1063 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.6 Subject: Re: OT: WGUL-FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > And it is a TRUE Mono station, not just a stereo exciter with the > pilot turned off because their audio goes out to 20KC! Actually, FM mono stations are supposed to roll off their audio at 15 kHz as well, in order to prevent stereo receivers from "falsing" into stereo mode when audio energy at 19 kHz is mistaken for an MPX pilot tone. Nevertheless, I don't filter the audio of my own FM mono station, because the vintage Gates Solid Statesman limiter that I use makes no provision for doing so. So, on a stereo receiver the FM Stereo indicator will flicker on songs with lots of high-frequency content (like "Theme From Shaft"), but otherwise it doesn't seem to cause any harm. The limiter still keeps the modulation properly in control, so the signal isn't over-deviating; it's just going above the audio response of a typical FM station. On the AM side, meanwhile, I'd love to get a pair of Solid Statesman AM limiters and link them together, just to see how they'd sound for AM Stereo, with their "peak-flipping" relays clicking madly! :-) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 20:59:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24896 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 04:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 04:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 04:59:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 04:59:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 04:59:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1264 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.6 Subject: Re: Power-Side in NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Leonard Kahn was invited.....several times in the past. Since he > and I don't see eye to eye at all, he has refused.....especially > since I pulled his PowerSide in 1998. His loss. 1998? I got my Sony SRF-42 in January 1997, and from that time, I never heard WOR putting out any kind of Power-Side signal, just plain mono. The only NYC-area stations I've heard using Power-Side are 1280 WADO and 1600 WWRL. WADO even had the 15 Hz Kahn AM Stereo pilot tone on, but they killed their Power-Side a few months ago. WWRL is still using it today, focusing their signal on the upper sideband. Here you can see the Power-Side equipment on WADO's rack, as of 2000: http://hawkins.pair.com/wado/wadoAUDIO.jpg On the right is the Power-Side exciter and the "old clunker" Kahn ISB modulation monitor, and on the left, the third unit down from the top is a newer "slimline" Kahn ISB mod monitor. (BTW, their Optimod 9200 looks inactive in that photo, but I see meter indications on their UREI Modulimiter... a wise choice in audio processing, if you ask me!) As of 1998, 570 WMCA also had Power-Side equipment in their rack -- including a Kahn ISB modulation monitor -- but just like WOR, I have never heard them using Power-Side since early 1997. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 21:02:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3575 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 05:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 05:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 05:02:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 05:02:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 05:02:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18641-402EF332-1320@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 679 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.85 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Web sites RE: WECO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > Michael wrote: "KSL has/ or had a 1932 Western Electric > Transmitter outfitted with an AM Stereo Exciter" THAT would be a sight. It sounded great from here. :) > We tend to think of "Western Electric" as the maker of Bell Phones, > But WECO in it's early days, was very much into early AM transmitters > and Audio Equipment. Right up there with RCA as a premier source of > radio equipment. Western Electric had the third (1,685,357, filed Oct. 16, 1925, patented Sept. 25, 1928) and fourth (1,717,064, filed Oct. 20, 1925, patented June 11, 1929) AM stereo patents ever issued. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Feb 14 21:26:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53816 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 05:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 05:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 05:26:50 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.218.0.189]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20040215052649.RFGB15913.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:26:49 -0500 Message-ID: <022d01c3f384$5070fac0$af78fea9@juan> To: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:26:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.64 From: "Juan / John Gualda" Subject: OT: Satellit 800 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody on the list have a Grundig Satellit 800 ? I am thinking of getting one, and I would like any opinions. Juan Gualda Fort Pierce, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Feb 14 22:21:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2649 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 06:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 06:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 06:21:07 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i1F6L55h085095 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:21:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002a01c3f38b$e5a9cca0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:21:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Humorous EBS/EAS Recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ wrote: > The NRC audio site (now moved elsewhere, apparently) had a funny EBS > that sounds like a Stan Freberg job, that changed the familiar tone > to "Mary Had a Little Lamb" with one sustained note- It was funny. :) The EBS test you mention was done in 1973 by a guy (who's name escapes me) working in Orlando (at WDBO I believe). It is almost like a "rap" version at the start, then the 1kHz tone in the last note of the first stanza of Mary Had A Little Lamb, and it finished with the rap style and a duck quacking at the end. I have a copy and can stick it on our station's FTP or Website is anyone so desires. I believe it is also available on Uncle Ricky's Reel Radio site. From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Feb 14 22:39:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13098 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 06:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 06:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 06:39:59 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040215063956.VHTU5698.fed1mtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:39:56 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:39:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.123 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Power-Side in NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Powerside. I seem to recall it was used on KMNY 1600 AM in Los Angeles.=20 Sounded absolutely awful on every radio I owned. Richard Wagoner On Saturday, February 14, 2004, at 08:59 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > Leonard Kahn was invited.....several times in the past.=A0 Since he > > and I don't see eye to eye at all, he has refused.....especially > > since I pulled his PowerSide in 1998.=A0 His loss. > > 1998?=A0 I got my Sony SRF-42 in January 1997, and from that time, I > never heard WOR putting out any kind of Power-Side signal, just plain > mono. > > The only NYC-area stations I've heard using Power-Side are 1280 WADO > and 1600 WWRL.=A0 WADO even had the 15 Hz Kahn AM Stereo pilot tone on, > but they killed their Power-Side a few months ago.=A0 WWRL is still > using it today, focusing their signal on the upper sideband. > > Here you can see the Power-Side equipment on WADO's rack, as of 2000: > > http://hawkins.pair.com/wado/wadoAUDIO.jpg > > On the right is the Power-Side exciter and the "old clunker" Kahn ISB > modulation monitor, and on the left, the third unit down from the top > is a newer "slimline" Kahn ISB mod monitor.=A0 (BTW, their Optimod 9200 > looks inactive in that photo, but I see meter indications on their > UREI Modulimiter... a wise choice in audio processing, if you ask > me!) > > As of 1998, 570 WMCA also had Power-Side equipment in their rack -- > including a Kahn ISB modulation monitor -- but just like WOR, I have > never heard them using Power-Side since early 1997. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 23:00:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61183 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 07:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 07:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 07:00:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 07:00:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:00:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002a01c3f38b$e5a9cca0$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1009 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.85 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Humorous EBS/EAS Recordings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ wrote: > > The NRC audio site (now moved elsewhere, apparently) had a funny EBS > > that sounds like a Stan Freberg job, that changed the familiar tone > > to "Mary Had a Little Lamb" with one sustained note- It was funny. :) > > The EBS test you mention was done in 1973 by a guy (who's name escapes me) > working in Orlando (at WDBO I believe). > It is almost like a "rap" version at the start, then the 1kHz tone in the > last note of the first stanza of Mary Had A Little Lamb, and it finished > with the rap style and a duck quacking at the end. I have a copy and can > stick it on our station's FTP or Website is anyone so desires. > I believe it is also available on Uncle Ricky's Reel Radio site. Please do! :) It might make a good upload on the FTP site for those, like myself, interested in it (as well as any PD radio stuff for us Part-15'ers that certainly could use stuff). :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereo@optushome.com.au Sat Feb 14 23:42:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2284 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 07:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 07:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail018.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 07:42:52 -0000 Received: from athlon (c210-49-77-201.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.77.201]) by mail018.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1F7gn510601 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:42:49 +1100 Message-ID: <000501c3f397$8102c700$2302a8c0@athlon> To: References: <1076828441.1575.61189.m8@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:44:12 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 211.29.132.72 From: "amstereo" Subject: amstereo radios everywere X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e AMSTEREO RADIOS EVERYWERE http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38639&item =2459830860 this is just 1 of at least 6 on ebay at the moment ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 5:00 PM Subject: {AMSF} Digest Number 1101 > There are 25 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Leonard Kahn @ WOR Was: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! > From: "Possum Hunter" > 2. Re: Re: IBOC vs. C-Quam > From: Richard Wagoner > 3. Re: OT: WGUL-FM > From: "Possum Hunter" > 4. WTMP-FM (and FMs that transmit in excess of 15khz.) > From: "Tn S." > 5. Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! > From: "Tom Ray" > 6. Re: Tours of a lifetime > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > 7. Re: 5 or 6.2 kHz? The great WOR audio debate > From: "Tom Ray" > 8. Re: Re: Telephone Memories > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > 9. WLBE/Leesburg-Eustis?? > From: "Anthony" > 10. Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! > From: "Tom Ray" > 11. the Kiwa AM Loop > From: "Douglas B." > 12. Re: Tom and Kerry > From: "Tom Ray" > 13. Re: Tours of a lifetime > From: "Tom Ray" > 14. Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! > From: "Tom Ray" > 15. Re: OT: How to transfer multiple files across a netwrok ?? > From: "Tom Ray" > 16. Re: IBOC vs. C-Quam > From: "Tom Ray" > 17. Re: Interesting Web sites RE: WECO > From: oldphones@webtv.net > 18. Re: Kahn artist > From: "Kevin T." > 19. Re: OT: WGUL-FM > From: "Kevin T." > 20. Re: Power-Side in NYC > From: "Kevin T." > 21. Re: Interesting Web sites RE: WECO > From: "Amy Mousie" > 22. OT: Satellit 800 > From: "Juan / John Gualda" > 23. Re: Humorous EBS/EAS Recordings > From: "Jim Burgan" > 24. Re: Re: Power-Side in NYC > From: Richard Wagoner > 25. Re: Humorous EBS/EAS Recordings > From: "Amy Mousie" > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:57:10 -0500 > From: "Possum Hunter" > Subject: Leonard Kahn @ WOR Was: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! > > Kevin T. wrote: > > Anyway... if Leonard Kahn is invited to visit WOR and accepts, then I'd be > glad to join him. > > Why? You are not a supporter of KAHN ISB, only C-QUAM. > Anyway, I don't think there is a snowball's chance in Hell that Tom or Kerry > will ever let Lenny touch one of their transmitters again, much less install > CAM-D. > > Kevin in Tampa > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:17:13 -0800 > From: Richard Wagoner > Subject: Re: Re: IBOC vs. C-Quam > > > On Saturday, February 14, 2004, at 02:54 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > > They have yet > > to offer any "real world" samples of IBOC, > > Yes, they have, numerous times, if you would go see them in person! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:20:43 -0500 > From: "Possum Hunter" > Subject: Re: OT: WGUL-FM > > Tn S. wrote: > > As far as I can remember, WGUL-FM has had bad audio....Even when they were > on 96.1 > > That's funny because now 96.1 has pretty good sound quality. > > > > Then there's WTMP-FM 96.1 (a former WGUL-FM, as there have been 3: 105.5, > 96.1 and 106.3)...WTMP-FM is Mono. > > And it is a TRUE Mono station, not just a stereo exciter with the pilot > turned off because their audio goes out to 20KC! > > > >..How good is their signal in Tampa... > > Here in Thonotosassa, it is a bit hissy with some QRM on my factory Toyota > radio, but sounds great on my YB-400PE, as well as my Dynaco and Magnum > Dynalabs FM tuners. Even my Aiwa sounds good on it. > > Want me to snag an aircheck and put it on a tape or CD for you? I should > upload a WGUL aircheck to amuse list members, but still, it does not top the > WPJM aircheck I posted a few months ago! LOL > > Kevin > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:59:23 -0800 (PST) > From: "Tn S." > Subject: WTMP-FM (and FMs that transmit in excess of 15khz.) > > Kevin in Fla. (or anyone that may know): > > Are most FM tuners capable of receiving a 20khz. wide FM signal, or should I take one of my higher end rigs with me in March? I'm glad you gave me the heads up, because I usually have been putting the DAT on 32khz. mode of late..... > > --tony > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:00:54 -0000 > From: "Tom Ray" > Subject: Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > > Anyway... if Leonard Kahn is invited to visit WOR and accepts, then > > I'd be glad to join him. But until then, I'd much rather sit in > > my basement and spew out psychobabble... or so some people seem to > > think. > > > Leonard Kahn was invited.....several times in the past. Since he and > I don't see eye to eye at all, he has refused.....especially since I > pulled his PowerSide in 1998. His loss. > > T > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:05:14 -0800 (PST) > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > Subject: Re: Tours of a lifetime > > > --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > oldphones@webtv.net wrote: > > > I would give a lot to see the WOR transmitter > > site, digital and all, > > > > Yea me too! > > > > Two other REAL kewl stations to take the tour of are > > WKDK in Newberry, SC > > and WLBE Eustis, FL > > > > Keep the glass glowing guys! > > > > Kevin > > > > As I said....... 2 more weekends and I'm > going....Ya'll better book with me fast! Taking > reservations.... > > > Powell > > > > ===== > powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:05:19 -0000 > From: "Tom Ray" > Subject: Re: 5 or 6.2 kHz? The great WOR audio debate > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > On an _audio_ spectrum analyzer, it most certainly would! > > If the demodulated audio contains the IBOC sidebands starting at > 5.02kHz, which it would, the chances are very good that these > sidebands will mask anything above 5.02kHz. That was obvious from > the previous spectral diagram you posted. > > T > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:07:38 -0800 (PST) > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > Subject: Re: Re: Telephone Memories > > > --- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > wrote: > > I worked for BellSouth for 32 years, and was an > > engineer (note I do not use > > the capital E) for about 25 of those years. > > > > I was responsible for 355 sxs #1 sxs #1 x-bar, > > which was a toll switch, #5 > > x-bar, # 1,2, & 3 analog ess offices, along with > > DMS-100 and #4 and #5 ess > > > The funny thing was with the #2 ESS, it went clll unk > lunk ringggg. the #3 was an even slower set up > > Klunk................klunkkkk------klunk ....rinnng. > > > Powell > > > > > > > > ===== > powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:09:36 -0000 > From: "Anthony" > Subject: WLBE/Leesburg-Eustis?? > > > > Two other REAL kewl stations to take the tour of are > > > WKDK in Newberry, SC > > > and WLBE Eustis, FL > > How so is WLBE 790 Leesburg a 'kewl' station to tour? I used to > listen to them loyally Freshman year in Gainesville at UF in '94 > back when they were still playing music. It was a cross between > Nostalgia and Soft Adult Contemporary..It was a shame to hear them > go Talk....Monster signal. > > --tony > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:09:52 -0000 > From: "Tom Ray" > Subject: Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > > Hold on to your horses, folks. I would be glad to visit to WOR, > just > > under one condition: that they would transmit in analog AM Stereo > > while I was there, even if just for a few minutes. Heck, even into > a > > dummy load would count -- just so long as I could record it for all > > to hear. > > > > My complete CRL AM Stereo audio processing chain is itching to > travel > > to Lyndhurst. All it would need to team up with is a functional > > C-Quam exciter and modulation monitor. > > And therein lies the problem. We don't have a C-Quam > exciter....never did, or mod monitor. And if you've never set one up > before, I can tell you that we're taling several hours of setup time > for a full 5 minutes of fun. I have no budget for obtaining a C-Quam > exciter, and to be perfectly honest, no time to do this. I work 10- > 12 hour days now as it is! > > > > > > > No, I'm no engineer.... but if I can set up the Number One Country > > music station in the greater New York City area -- that's because > my > > FM Part 15 station is the _only_ one playing Country music within > > 50 miles of NYC -- then I think getting WOR to light the C-Quam > pilot > > light wouldn't be impossible. > > Not at all. We could easily transmit a 25Hz tone and do so. If I > don't have the equipment, I can't make it happen, can I? > > T > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:22:11 -0000 > From: "Douglas B." > Subject: the Kiwa AM Loop > > Some of you may already be familar with this guy... but, if you're not, this auction has > some GREAT "super sized" shots of Kiwa's AM Loop antenna. It's a shame that night- > time IBOC may make a beauty such as this obsolete: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3076899263 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:27:21 -0000 > From: "Tom Ray" > Subject: Re: Tom and Kerry > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith" > wrote: > > Hi gang I just waned to ask a qeustion of Tom and Kerry . What the > ground wave range of your IBOC signal? I live a 100 mile NE of > Berkly Ca. Thats where KFRC AM 610 has there 5kw trannsmitter is at > right on the shore of the north bay. And points east of me can hear > them just fine. And the tower is only 447 feet. I live at thr elev. > of 600 feet above sea level wich thats where there tower is at sea > level. I am just cureruse about 50kw signal will it have less range > then the analog 50kw anlog will have? Just wondering . Jim Smith > > > > > Hi Jim: > > First you need to understand the FCC definition of an AM station's > coverage. During the day, your grade B coverage is to the .5mV/M > contour....at night, the Nighttime Interference Free limit is between > 5mV/M to 2mV/M....I'd have to look it up for the class of station > we're talking about. > > Anyway, the iBiquity system is designed to operate to the 0.5mV/M > contour. > > Taking a couple of directions in the WOR signal.....if you look on a > map, locate Rutherford, NJ (I doubt you'd find Lyndhurst, which is > just south of Rutherford). The WOR signal is basically a bent figure > 8....the bottom of the figure 8 goes directly towards Philly (85KW > equivalent). The top of the figure 8 is bent over to the east and > aims directly at the eastern end of Long Island (160KW equivalent). > There is a mother of a notch to the north/north-west (this is about > 5KW). There is another notch, not quite so deep, towards the > Atlantic Ocean. Since the fish don't get Arbitron books, we won't > talk about them! > > The 0.5mV/M measured contour of WOR is about 3/4 the way out on Long > Island from the City. From Lyndhurst in the direction of Philly, it > is at the Delaware Bridge on I-95, just south of Philly and 95 miles > from the transmitter. In the direction of Allentown, PA (follow I-78 > out from Newark), it is about 72 miles at the eastern border of > Allentown. To the northwest (find route 17 and go north), it is > about the New York/New Jersey line, a distance of 20 miles. > Predictions in this direction show it to be about 25-26 miles, but in > practice it is around where I said due to terrain and other issues. > Incidentally, at the NAB Radio Show in Philly this October, the WOR > IBOC signal could be heard on radios at the iBiquity booth inside the > convention center. Yes, they had a loop antenna on the roof, but it > was not amplified, and I'm not the only one who heard it. > > OK. Having this basic ground work, the IBOC coverage goes out just > about to the 3/4 point on Long Island (this is almost to the > forks....about 7-8 miles west of them...I apologize for not knowing > the actual mileage), goes to the Delaware Bridge, falls apart at the > Allentown City limit, and falls apart at the NY/NJ line on route 17, > though I can hear it sporatically north of there depending on many > factors. > > Speaking strictly of coverage as defined by the FCC, the digital > coverage for all intents and purposes is equal to the analog > coverage. Realistically speaking, we all know you can hear an AM > station beyond the 0.5mV contour. Chances of decoding the IBOC > signal beyond the 0.5mV contour are slim, as the signal level is too > low and, as you know, is easily affected by any type of electrical or > atmospheric noise and skywave at night. > > So that's my long winded answer. If I confused you or if you want me > to elaborate, or answer another question, ask away! > > TR > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:39:16 -0000 > From: "Tom Ray" > Subject: Re: Tours of a lifetime > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" > wrote: > > Wow! I think I'm with you Bill. I'd love to see the inside of a > phone > > company C.O. I think that would be awesome! I'm sure so much of > it is all > > digital stuff these days and probably not as impressive as what you > got to > > see.... > > > The last time I was in a phone co. CO, this one still had one of the > relay switches in operation. That was quite the sight to see....the > digital floors weren't much but noisy equipment racks with flashing > lights. > > The impressive thing is the main frame.....that's quite the wiring > job! > > TR > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:44:11 -0000 > From: "Tom Ray" > Subject: Re: So called Audio Experts and Other Babble! > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > With WOR struggling in the ratings, I think the station should > reduce it's > > night power to a more reasonable 4.5 kW, and allow for the shift of > the 50 kW > > day/night assignment from WOR to Kansas City's higher-rated KCMO. > > Even with the lower ratings WOR has had of late, we still have a > higher cume than KCMO could ever dream of. There aren't that many > people in Kansas! > > > New York > > doesn't need THAT MANY 50 kW blowtorches. Besides, most New Yorkers > won't miss WOR > > (as low as their ratings have been), when they've switched to WINS, > WCBS and > > WABC for news and talk in recent years. > > > And that goes to show your respect, or lack thereof, of a historic > station and call letters. > > > > > And, I have a QSL card from a reception of WOR in 1988: they DID > BROADCAST in > > C-QUAM AM Stereo at one time. That's another inaccuracy on Tom and > Kerry's > > part. > > > I would like to see a scan of that. There are no records and no > evidence of C-Quam equipment ever being at WOR. The studios are and > always have been MONO. And in 1988, the station was going through an > FCC ordered "fire sale" for illegalities on part of RKO/General > Corporation.....I can guarantee you that there were no capital > equipment purchases from 1986-1989 when Buckley bought the station. > I have the records to prove it. So that shows how accurate YOUR > information is. > > TR > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:45:17 -0000 > From: "Tom Ray" > Subject: Re: OT: How to transfer multiple files across a netwrok ?? > > Richard: > > Same procedure, different operating system. And possibly slightly > different method, but you get the same results. > > TR > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > If you're on a network, then you just log on to the "host" computer > and > > transfer the files. At least that's how I do it with two (or more) > Macs > > or a Mac and a Windows PC. After I connect, then the "host" > computer is > > seen by the other one as a mounted volume; I can then transfer > anything > > to or from the host (depending on the permissions I set for file > > sharing). I can even run programs across the network. I have > never > > tried it with two Windows PCs, but would assume it is similar (if > not > > far more complicated than it needs to be, as Windows usually is) ... > > > > Richard Wagoner > > > > > > On Saturday, February 14, 2004, at 12:14 PM, Dave wrote: > > > > > I have an amount of MP3's I want to transfer from a laptop to my > > > main pc via my ad-hoc network. How can I do this easily as ICQ / > MSN > > > are not able to support more that one file at a time ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > . To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > > > > > . To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > . Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:47:42 -0000 > From: "Tom Ray" > Subject: Re: IBOC vs. C-Quam > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > They have yet > > to offer any "real world" samples of IBOC, so offering "real world" > > samples of C-Quam would not be a fair comparison. > > > Next Friday night. I will be recording on the way into the office > one day this week. You want real world, you'll get real world. > > TR > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 17 > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:18:58 -0600 (CST) > From: oldphones@webtv.net > Subject: Re: Interesting Web sites RE: WECO > > Michael wrote: "KSL has/ or had a 1932 Western Electric > Transmitter outfitted with an AM Stereo Exciter" THAT would be a sight. > We tend to think of "Western Electric" as the maker of Bell Phones, > But WECO in it's early days, was very much into early AM transmitters > and Audio Equipment. Right up there with RCA as a premier source of > radio equipment. > > WECO even made a few FM transmitters, as well. Western Electric > got out of the radio business after the 1956 consent decree with the > DOJ, They then refocused their business on the phone business. Kinda > ironic that "Lucent" (WEco's current successor) is "pushing" IBOC. > > Clear Channel's WLW Cincinnati Has an 1927 vintage WECO > transmitter recently restored to operation as one of their Five > 50 KW rigs, They have a Crosley transmitter as well. Crosley Corp. > owed WLW for a number of years under Powel Crosley's watchful eye. WLW > was featured on Scott Fybush's Tower Site Tour website. A must see > website for anyone interested in tower sites. WLW transmitters & > tower site is one of those truly amazing sights to behold, they have one > of the very few Knox-Blaw diamond towers left!! Scott's site --- I > think it is WWW.FYBUSH.COM > > For those interested in the Phone Company's Central Offices > (C.O."s) There is a telephone museum run by Qwest and the Telephone > Pioneers in Seattle, WA with ALL major types of operating equipment > IE: Strowger Step-By-Step, Panel, # 1 & # 5 Crossbar, IMTS Radio > Equipment, An XY switch, etc... > They are said to have the ONLY operating "panel" style phone switch > left in the World ! > ( 1920"s technology on display ) > I will try to find the address for the "Vintage phone museum" when > I get a chance. It's is a very impressive web site with a lot of > pictures of the Qwest Seattle facility // museum!! If a trip to > Seattle is not feasible then, This web site is "the next best thing to > being there" :) > > Bill S. > > > Oldphones@ webtv. net > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > wiring items > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 04:26:45 -0000 > From: "Kevin T." > Subject: Re: Kahn artist > > > Why? You are not a supporter of KAHN ISB, only C-QUAM. > > Says who? I have a multi-system AM Stereo generator, and numerous > multi-system receivers. My signal can be C-Quam, Harris, Kahn, or > Magnavox, at the push of a button. > > For example, here's what it sounds like in Harris CPM mode, with a > jury-rigged 55 Hz pilot tone so my Sony STR-AV470 could properly > receive it in Harris mode: > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/demos/harris.mp3 > > FYI, audio processing for that sample is a CRL AM Stereo Matrix > Processor teamed with "Sound Solution" -- a free WinAmp plug-in > providing Optimod-quality multi-band AGC, compression, and limiting. > > On this site, you can find another AM Stereo audio sample, made with > Sound Solution doing all the processing by itself: > > http://www.geocities.com/kevtronics/ > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 19 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 04:40:57 -0000 > From: "Kevin T." > Subject: Re: OT: WGUL-FM > > > And it is a TRUE Mono station, not just a stereo exciter with the > > pilot turned off because their audio goes out to 20KC! > > Actually, FM mono stations are supposed to roll off their audio at > 15 kHz as well, in order to prevent stereo receivers from "falsing" > into stereo mode when audio energy at 19 kHz is mistaken for an MPX > pilot tone. > > Nevertheless, I don't filter the audio of my own FM mono station, > because the vintage Gates Solid Statesman limiter that I use makes no > provision for doing so. So, on a stereo receiver the FM Stereo > indicator will flicker on songs with lots of high-frequency content > (like "Theme From Shaft"), but otherwise it doesn't seem to cause any > harm. The limiter still keeps the modulation properly in control, > so the signal isn't over-deviating; it's just going above the audio > response of a typical FM station. > > On the AM side, meanwhile, I'd love to get a pair of Solid Statesman > AM limiters and link them together, just to see how they'd sound for > AM Stereo, with their "peak-flipping" relays clicking madly! :-) > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 20 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 04:59:15 -0000 > From: "Kevin T." > Subject: Re: Power-Side in NYC > > > Leonard Kahn was invited.....several times in the past. Since he > > and I don't see eye to eye at all, he has refused.....especially > > since I pulled his PowerSide in 1998. His loss. > > 1998? I got my Sony SRF-42 in January 1997, and from that time, I > never heard WOR putting out any kind of Power-Side signal, just plain > mono. > > The only NYC-area stations I've heard using Power-Side are 1280 WADO > and 1600 WWRL. WADO even had the 15 Hz Kahn AM Stereo pilot tone on, > but they killed their Power-Side a few months ago. WWRL is still > using it today, focusing their signal on the upper sideband. > > Here you can see the Power-Side equipment on WADO's rack, as of 2000: > > http://hawkins.pair.com/wado/wadoAUDIO.jpg > > On the right is the Power-Side exciter and the "old clunker" Kahn ISB > modulation monitor, and on the left, the third unit down from the top > is a newer "slimline" Kahn ISB mod monitor. (BTW, their Optimod 9200 > looks inactive in that photo, but I see meter indications on their > UREI Modulimiter... a wise choice in audio processing, if you ask > me!) > > As of 1998, 570 WMCA also had Power-Side equipment in their rack -- > including a Kahn ISB modulation monitor -- but just like WOR, I have > never heard them using Power-Side since early 1997. > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 21 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 05:02:10 -0000 > From: "Amy Mousie" > Subject: Re: Interesting Web sites RE: WECO > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > > Michael wrote: "KSL has/ or had a 1932 Western Electric > > Transmitter outfitted with an AM Stereo Exciter" THAT would be a > sight. > > It sounded great from here. :) > > > We tend to think of "Western Electric" as the maker of Bell Phones, > > But WECO in it's early days, was very much into early AM > transmitters > > and Audio Equipment. Right up there with RCA as a premier source of > > radio equipment. > > Western Electric had the third (1,685,357, filed Oct. 16, 1925, > patented Sept. 25, 1928) and fourth (1,717,064, filed Oct. 20, 1925, > patented June 11, 1929) AM stereo patents ever issued. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 22 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:26:50 -0500 > From: "Juan / John Gualda" > Subject: OT: Satellit 800 > > > Anybody on the list have a Grundig Satellit 800 ? > > I am thinking of getting one, and I would like any opinions. > > Juan Gualda > Fort Pierce, FL > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 23 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:21:05 -0500 > From: "Jim Burgan" > Subject: Re: Humorous EBS/EAS Recordings > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ wrote: > > The NRC audio site (now moved elsewhere, apparently) had a funny EBS > > that sounds like a Stan Freberg job, that changed the familiar tone > > to "Mary Had a Little Lamb" with one sustained note- It was funny. :) > > The EBS test you mention was done in 1973 by a guy (who's name escapes me) > working in Orlando (at WDBO I believe). > It is almost like a "rap" version at the start, then the 1kHz tone in the > last note of the first stanza of Mary Had A Little Lamb, and it finished > with the rap style and a duck quacking at the end. I have a copy and can > stick it on our station's FTP or Website is anyone so desires. > I believe it is also available on Uncle Ricky's Reel Radio site. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 24 > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:39:56 -0800 > From: Richard Wagoner > Subject: Re: Re: Power-Side in NYC > > Powerside. I seem to recall it was used on KMNY 1600 AM in Los Angeles. > Sounded absolutely awful on every radio I owned. > > Richard Wagoner > > On Saturday, February 14, 2004, at 08:59 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > > > Leonard Kahn was invited.....several times in the past. Since he > > > and I don't see eye to eye at all, he has refused.....especially > > > since I pulled his PowerSide in 1998. His loss. > > > > 1998? I got my Sony SRF-42 in January 1997, and from that time, I > > never heard WOR putting out any kind of Power-Side signal, just plain > > mono. > > > > The only NYC-area stations I've heard using Power-Side are 1280 WADO > > and 1600 WWRL. WADO even had the 15 Hz Kahn AM Stereo pilot tone on, > > but they killed their Power-Side a few months ago. WWRL is still > > using it today, focusing their signal on the upper sideband. > > > > Here you can see the Power-Side equipment on WADO's rack, as of 2000: > > > > http://hawkins.pair.com/wado/wadoAUDIO.jpg > > > > On the right is the Power-Side exciter and the "old clunker" Kahn ISB > > modulation monitor, and on the left, the third unit down from the top > > is a newer "slimline" Kahn ISB mod monitor. (BTW, their Optimod 9200 > > looks inactive in that photo, but I see meter indications on their > > UREI Modulimiter... a wise choice in audio processing, if you ask > > me!) > > > > As of 1998, 570 WMCA also had Power-Side equipment in their rack -- > > including a Kahn ISB modulation monitor -- but just like WOR, I have > > never heard them using Power-Side since early 1997. > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > . To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > > > . To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > . Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 25 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:00:36 -0000 > From: "Amy Mousie" > Subject: Re: Humorous EBS/EAS Recordings > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ wrote: > > > The NRC audio site (now moved elsewhere, apparently) had a funny > EBS > > > that sounds like a Stan Freberg job, that changed the familiar > tone > > > to "Mary Had a Little Lamb" with one sustained note- It was > funny. :) > > > > The EBS test you mention was done in 1973 by a guy (who's name > escapes me) > > working in Orlando (at WDBO I believe). > > It is almost like a "rap" version at the start, then the 1kHz tone > in the > > last note of the first stanza of Mary Had A Little Lamb, and it > finished > > with the rap style and a duck quacking at the end. I have a copy > and can > > stick it on our station's FTP or Website is anyone so desires. > > I believe it is also available on Uncle Ricky's Reel Radio site. > > Please do! :) It might make a good upload on the FTP site for those, > like myself, interested in it (as well as any PD radio stuff for us > Part-15'ers that certainly could use stuff). :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 00:00:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76712 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 08:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 08:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41207.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 08:00:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20040215080012.40191.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.214] by web41207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:00:12 PST Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:00:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000501c3f397$8102c700$2302a8c0@athlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.40 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} amstereo radios everywere X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Theres a SRF A100 on there as well... amstereo wrote:AMSTEREO RADIOS EVERYWERE http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38639&item =2459830860 this is just 1 of at least 6 on ebay at the moment ----- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 00:08:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86315 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 08:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 08:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 08:08:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 08:08:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 08:08:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 330 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.6 Subject: Fountains of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is perhaps the first and only time you'll hear "Stacy's Mom" used as bumper music on an AM Stereo talk station -- in this case, the world-famous 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick, NJ: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wctc214.mp3 Recorded Saturday, February 14, 2004, from a Sony SRF-A100 in wideband C-Quam AM Stereo mode. From amstereo@optushome.com.au Sun Feb 15 03:16:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73381 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 11:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 11:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail022.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 11:16:44 -0000 Received: from athlon (c210-49-77-201.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.77.201]) by mail022.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1FBGgR03455 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:16:42 +1100 Message-ID: <000701c3f3b5$539a09e0$2302a8c0@athlon> To: References: <1076841075.1536.41451.m12@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:17:40 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 211.29.132.100 From: "amstereo" Subject: re: amstereo radios everywere X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e Sorry bout that, forgot to delete all the stuff underneath what I wrote, Bugger heh? I saw the srf100 - i'm just amazed of the amount of radios on there at the moment, most from a wreaking company, who knows what to show (the amst button) I think he knows there worth heh? From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 03:38:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14599 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 11:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 11:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 11:38:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20040215113838.3866.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:38:38 PST Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:38:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.89 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Power-Side in NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > Leonard Kahn was invited.....several times in the > past. Since he > > and I don't see eye to eye at all, he has > refused.....especially > > since I pulled his PowerSide in 1998. His loss. > 1998? I got my Sony SRF-42 in January 1997, and > from that time, I > never heard WOR putting out any kind of Power-Side > signal, just plain > mono. Read again what he said. He said he pulled the equipment. He didn't actually SAY it was in use. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From tomray@wor710.com Sun Feb 15 04:53:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19138 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 12:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 12:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 12:53:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 12:53:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:53:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1018 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Power-Side in NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > 1998? I got my Sony SRF-42 in January 1997, and from that time, I > never heard WOR putting out any kind of Power-Side signal, just plain > mono. > I stand corrected. The Power Side was removed from service on December 23, 1997. I remember the day well. I was at the site late to disconnect the old main Continental and plumb in a temporary Harris Gates 5 that stood in the corner as a backup while I was between transmitters. I also had to retune the common point to 50 ohms (it was 75 ohms). I got home around 3AM......woke up around 5:15 to hit the bathroom and heard water running. We were renting a house....the washing machine was in the garage (supplied with the house). A hose broke and there was water all over the place. Almost ruined my wife's great grandmother's wedding album which was in a box in the garage, and did ruin a box of tools I had there. Oh year....I remember that day well........ TR From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Feb 15 09:21:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60046 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 17:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 17:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 17:21:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 09:21:42 -0800 Received: from 65.45.168.92 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:21:42 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:21:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2004 17:21:42.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E18DF10:01C3F3E8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.134 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [65.45.168.92] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Telephone Memories X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 That is not my memory of the 2bess or 3ess machines. When properly engineered, they were as fast as any analog ess machine and quiet. I even had a couple of 2bess machines that had remotes (rsc's) operating off the main processor in the host machine, and all was very quiet. The problem with the early ess machines was that not many folks understood the concept of "window" grounding for ess machines. Improper grounding procedures would cause noisy sounding operations, but the noise did not originate in the ess machine, but was induced through the common ground bus from the operation of electromechanical relays in other parts of the telephone plant co-located with the ess machine and using the same common ground system. MTGC >From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Telephone Memories >Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:07:38 -0800 (PST) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com >Received: from n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.82]) by >mc11-f13.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Sat, 14 Feb >2004 19:07:57 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb >2004 03:07:40 -0000 >Received: (qmail 90783 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 03:07:39 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >15 Feb 2004 03:07:39 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by >mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 03:07:39 -0000 >Received: from [66.112.193.116] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, >14 Feb 2004 19:07:38 PST >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jG3S8uOyvX/ttqcAQDyJwvJ >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-4085512-16528-1076814460-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: <20040215030738.50017.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> >In-Reply-To: >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.89 >X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-16528-1076814460-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2004 03:07:57.0182 (UTC) >FILETIME=[E94229E0:01C3F370] > > >--- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > wrote: > > I worked for BellSouth for 32 years, and was an > > engineer (note I do not use > > the capital E) for about 25 of those years. > > > > I was responsible for 355 sxs #1 sxs #1 x-bar, > > which was a toll switch, #5 > > x-bar, # 1,2, & 3 analog ess offices, along with > > DMS-100 and #4 and #5 ess > > >The funny thing was with the #2 ESS, it went clll unk >lunk ringggg. the #3 was an even slower set up > >Klunk................klunkkkk------klunk ....rinnng. > > >Powell > > > > > > > >===== >powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw _________________________________________________________________ Get some great ideas here for your sweetheart on Valentine's Day - and beyond. http://special.msn.com/network/celebrateromance.armx From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 10:45:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30408 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 18:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 18:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 18:45:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 18:45:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:45:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 185 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 68.51.240.204 Subject: 1410/Leesburg, Fla. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Have a tip that 1410 in Leesburg, Fla. (near Orlando) is on the air in Spanish and that they have been mentioning "Estereo" on the air...Can anyone confirm/deny Stereo status? -tony From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Feb 15 13:33:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42866 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 21:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 21:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 21:33:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:33:54 -0800 Received: from 172.138.66.3 by bay7-dav50.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:33:54 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <6f.41a4d21b.2d5c38f5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:46:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2004 21:33:54.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[69964820:01C3F40B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.22 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.138.66.3] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hunting Down Florida Pirates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: >Well as long as you can prove that your operating totally within the spirit of part 15...I dont see where anything could happen other than getting hassled a bit. I am not so sure about that. A few years ago I got blamed for TVI becuase I happened to have the biggest CB antenna in the neighborhood. Nevermind that I had been off of the air for over a month with a blown PA tube in my old Browning Eagle. I was herassed by everybody from the county cops to the FCC. Anyway, the problem was the local fire department's radio system the whole time! > >What frequency? I have not made up my mind where to stick it. I have even thought about making a new AM modulated one. Anyway that is one of those time killer projects that I have ZERO time to spend on it right now. > >When and if one of these days I get some real-estate to work with....many projects will go on the air. What I would LOVE to do is get some property up on a hill then lease it to a cell phone company for them to put a tower, but instead of them paying me, I get to put MY antennas on top! Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Feb 15 13:33:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48285 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 21:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 21:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 21:33:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:33:56 -0800 Received: from 172.138.66.3 by bay7-dav4.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:33:56 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:02:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2004 21:33:56.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A971650:01C3F40B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.108 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.138.66.3] Subject: Tubes was: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: >I used the last of the best 4-400's in an RCA operating on 970khz several years ago. I agree...the new ones are junk..within a 4 to 9 month period,the changes in the tubes are evident. I saw a CCA AM1000D murder a set of Chinese 4-400s in 2 days! LOL > >So much for quality American made products eh?The elcheapo foreign stuff of lesser quality is killing us. It seems to me that there would be enough of a market between HAM radio operators, AM radio stations, and misc applications for an American tube company, or a GOOD import brand such as Svetlana to run off a batch of reproduction Eimac 4-400Cs, RCA 833s, RCA 5763s and GE 807s. Svetlana does make a SWEET sounding 6CA7 and 12AX7. I run them in my Dynaco Stereo 70s Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Feb 15 13:33:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74760 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 21:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 21:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.115) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 21:33:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:33:58 -0800 Received: from 172.138.66.3 by bay7-dav11.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:33:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: Cc: References: <20040212025220.41940.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:09:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2004 21:33:58.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B9FD3C0:01C3F40B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.115 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.138.66.3] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > The Amperex tubes are fine. I have never had any luck with Aperex tubes. I think the vacuum is a tad on the soft side. They go flat much faster than the Eimacs. In a flea market find today I found 4 new-in-box '01As! Now I can get that old Crosley Pup going! Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Feb 15 14:00:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79857 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 22:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 22:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 22:00:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:00:46 -0800 Received: from 172.138.66.3 by bay7-dav36.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:00:46 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:51:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2004 22:00:46.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A5BEC60:01C3F40F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.93 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.138.66.3] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Power-Side in NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Richard Wagoner wrote: >Powerside. I seem to recall it was used on KMNY 1600 AM in Los Angeles. Sounded absolutely awful on every radio I owned. The ONLY time PowerSide sounds good is on a Sony ICF 2010 with selectable sideband. Kevin in Tampa From castellano105@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 15:08:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73201 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 23:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 23:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 23:08:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 23:08:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:08:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 849 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 165.247.75.58 Subject: AM Stereoin the Future. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 As an owner of a Caver TX11A,A SonySRF A100 and A Realistic AMStereo car Radio. I Love AM Stereo,but I am a Realist in knowing that eventually Analog Brodcasting in AM and FM might go the way of the Ford Model T and HD Brodcasting might be the Future of Radio. So the ground work must be put foward to enssure that a New AM Stereo in HD is created along with High Standard Radios of all kind at reasonable prices for all to have. This time arrown the manufactures of Radios and the Station owners must put their best into the Equipment they make and not make any low end Radios. Look at TV eventually High Defenition TV is going to send Regular TV Brodcasting the way of The DODO. So it may be time to influence our State and Federal legistrators as our special interest group to ensure AM Stereo of some kind Survies if not Analog then Digital. From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Feb 15 15:22:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36261 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 23:22:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 23:22:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 23:22:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:22:46 -0800 Received: from 172.138.66.3 by bay7-dav51.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:22:45 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: Cc: References: <20040215025923.41930.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:13:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2004 23:22:46.0082 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E6DAA20:01C3F41A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.40 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.138.66.3] Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTMP-FM (and FMs that transmit in excess of 15khz.) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tn S. wrote: > Are most FM tuners capable of receiving a 20khz. wide FM signal, or should I take one of my higher end rigs with me in March? I use a early '60s vintage Dynaco with a Stereo multilex decoder board. I also have a late '50s Altec that goes well past 20kc. AFAIK, now new tuners go past 18kc. Kevin in Tampa From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Feb 15 15:29:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22427 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 23:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 23:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 23:29:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:29:48 -0800 Received: from 172.138.66.3 by bay7-dav44.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:29:48 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:21:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2004 23:29:48.0508 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A36C1C0:01C3F41B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.16 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.138.66.3] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Power-Side in NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >The Power Side was removed from service on December 23, 1997. I remember the day well. Sounds like it was a lovely day....and you didn't want Lenny to modify the new DX-50 for PowerSide, eh? Kevin From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Feb 15 15:44:17 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Feb 15 16:01:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79084 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 00:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 00:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 00:01:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 00:01:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:01:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040215080012.40191.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 401 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: {AMSF} amstereo radios everywere X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Theres a SRF A100 on there as well... > > amstereo wrote:AMSTEREO RADIOS EVERYWERE > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=38639&item > =2459830860 > this is just 1 of at least 6 on ebay at the moment > ----- vs, oh, approx 5,484 that aren't (as I search for AM FM). From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Feb 15 16:16:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12535 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 00:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 00:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.95) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 00:16:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:16:38 -0800 Received: from 172.138.66.3 by bay7-dav38.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:16:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:07:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2004 00:16:38.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[25175F60:01C3F422] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.95 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.138.66.3] Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLBE/Leesburg-Eustis?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Anthony wrote: > How so is WLBE 790 Leesburg a 'kewl' station to tour? The underwater ground system vintage equipment, nice owner. tis a fun tour! > > I used to listen to them loyally Freshman year in Gainesville at UF in '94 back when they were still playing music. Yea, they had a good sound! It is till a good sounding station. Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 16:36:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22639 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 00:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 00:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 00:36:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 00:36:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:36:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 524 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.214 Subject: Re: Tubes was: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > It seems to me that there would be enough of a market between HAM radio > operators, AM radio stations, and misc applications for an American tube > company, or a GOOD import brand such as Svetlana to run off a batch of > reproduction Eimac 4-400Cs, RCA 833s, RCA 5763s and GE 807s. When I was looking for info on the 833a, I found that Svetlana does make them, since I found their PDF brochure online for the tube. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Feb 15 16:44:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62166 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 00:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 00:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.120) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 00:44:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:44:41 -0800 Received: from 172.138.66.3 by bay7-dav16.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:44:41 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:36:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2004 00:44:41.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[10714860:01C3F426] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.120 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.138.66.3] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tubes was: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > When I was looking for info on the 833a, I found that Svetlana does make them, since I found their PDF brochure online for the tube. KEWL! That is GREAT news. Now all I have to do is snag that BC-1G I have been eyeballing! Thanks for the great news, Amy...I could KISS ya! Hmmm How would that look, a mouse being kissed by a possum? Now to find some Eimac quality 4-400Cs Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 16:51:38 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 17:06:15 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Feb 15 17:13:27 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Feb 15 17:18:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17483 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 01:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 01:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 01:18:17 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.23.3ad5feba (4238) for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:18:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <23.3ad5feba.2d617455@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:18:13 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.100 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/15/04 7:52:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > Also, the proposition of temporarily retrofitting WOR's transmitter=20 > for C-Quam operation, so that an equal comparison between analog > AM Stereo and IBOC can be made, was not my idea originally. I can't=20 > find the exact message in the archives right now, but about a year=20 > ago, either Mr. Richards or Mr. Ray came up with that idea after I=20 > mentioned that I have a Panasonic AM Stereo generator and a set of=20 > CRL AM Stereo audio processing gear. If the folks at WOR no longer=20 > wish to conduct such a comparison, then so be it. >=20 I dont recall such an idea being made directly or indirectly by Kerry or To= m. If it was made..it must have been made on "the other internet" system where= =20 bits and bytes often get lost all the time. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 17:20:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63025 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 01:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 01:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 01:20:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 01:20:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:20:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 659 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.214 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tubes was: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Amy Mousie wrote: > > When I was looking for info on the 833a, I found that Svetlana does make > them, since I found their PDF brochure online for the tube. > > KEWL! That is GREAT news. Now all I have to do is snag that BC-1G I have > been eyeballing! I put it in the uploads directory- Just look for "833a.pdf". :) Just need to find the power transformer to make the 833a I have into the light I have wanted to have. :) > Thanks for the great news, Amy...I could KISS ya! Hmmm How would that look, > a mouse being kissed by a possum? =giggle= :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 17:23:19 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Feb 15 17:23:24 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Feb 15 17:49:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48056 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 01:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 01:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 01:49:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:49:52 -0800 Received: from 172.138.66.3 by bay7-dav53.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:49:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:41:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2004 01:49:52.0077 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B219FD0:01C3F42F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.46 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.138.66.3] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tubes was: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy Mousie wrote: > I put it in the uploads directory- Just look for "833a.pdf". :) What a SWEET mouse you are! > > Just need to find the power transformer to make the 833a I have into the light I have wanted to have. :) AH, I have a 4-400C light like you want to make with the 833A! Almost any high current 10 Volt filiment transformer would work. Snoop around over on http://www.pwdahl.com/ This transformer will work like a charm: GATES BC-1F T-8 PR 833A PA FILAMENT TRANSFORMER CORE) EI-175 X 1.75 STYLE #) 04 E-I LAMINATED CORE PR) 0-110-117 VAC 60 HZ 1PH S1) 10.5 VCT 20A CCS DM) HT = 6.000 WT = 4.375 DT = 3.955 MD = 2.875 MW = 3.500 PRICE) $205.00 Plus S&H FOB El Paso, TX WEIGHT) 12 LBS Or you can always get one from Fair Radio Sales when they have them http://www.fairradio.com/ Good luck on your lamp! Kevin in Tampa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Feb 15 18:02:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93607 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 02:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 02:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 02:02:34 -0000 Received: from [208.187.57.32] (d247-osel-phx.fastq.com [208.187.57.32]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id i1G22h500675 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:02:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:02:18 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1076896194.1780.48061.m5@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: WOR & IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I doubt that we will see a good reason why he wont go. Maybe if there was a > contest .....ok,say the first few nay sayers,excuse makers on the list that go > visit WOR to see and hear for themselves what HD is,what makes it tick..yadda, > yadda, yadda, Bob, If I still lived in Rhode Island where I could hear WOR 24/7 I would ask Tom if he would give me the tour. Maybe I would like it, maybe not but at least I could say that I saw and heard it in person. I live 2000+ miles away in Arizona and its not likely I would be up there. Its best to keep an open mind and see what's there. I think IBOC is going to have a rough go of it when enough stations broadcast hash and people stop listening to the radio in the car but I am not against digital radio per se. As I have said ad infinitum, I am not too happy with the implementation and the route the FCC chose. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 18:06:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17284 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 02:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 02:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 02:06:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 02:06:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 02:06:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1014 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.214 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tubes was: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Amy Mousie wrote: > > I put it in the uploads directory- Just look for "833a.pdf". :) > > What a SWEET mouse you are! I try my best. :) > > > > Just need to find the power transformer to make the 833a I have into the light I have wanted to have. :) > > AH, I have a 4-400C light like you want to make with the 833A! Almost any high current 10 Volt filiment transformer would work. Snoop around over on http://www.pwdahl.com/ I'll keep looking. > This transformer will work like a charm: =snip= > PRICE) $205.00 Plus S&H FOB El Paso, TX WEIGHT) 12 LBS Ouch! That's a bit steep for my budget! :/ > Or you can always get one from Fair Radio Sales when they have them http://www.fairradio.com/ > > Good luck on your lamp! Thanks, I'm going to need it. The brace might have to be homemade, since the cost I have seen for the socket/brace if at least $50. Ah, well- More cheese to cut. :/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 18:18:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91556 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 02:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 02:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 02:18:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 02:18:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 02:18:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1349 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.214 Subject: Re: WOR & IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kevin, Mesa, AZ" wrote: > > I doubt that we will see a good reason why he wont go. Maybe if there was a > > contest .....ok,say the first few nay sayers,excuse makers on the list that go > > visit WOR to see and hear for themselves what HD is,what makes it tick..yadda, > > yadda, yadda, > > Bob, > > If I still lived in Rhode Island where I could hear WOR 24/7 I would ask Tom > if he would give me the tour. Maybe I would like it, maybe not but at least > I could say that I saw and heard it in person. I think most of us would. I certainly would. > I live 2000+ miles away in Arizona and its not likely I would be up there. > Its best to keep an open mind and see what's there. I'm even further away, but I'm in agreement, here. > I think IBOC is going to have a rough go of it when enough stations > broadcast hash and people stop listening to the radio in the car but I am > not against digital radio per se. As I have said ad infinitum, I am not too > happy with the implementation and the route the FCC chose. Again, I agree. I have nothing against digital broadcasting, just the present IBOC implementation, which harms everyone involved, including the proponants of IBOC. In short, the only "good" thing about IBOC is the money being traded over it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Feb 15 18:28:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99505 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 02:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 02:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 02:28:01 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.24.4f3ffe79 (4238) for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:27:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <24.4f3ffe79.2d6184a9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:27:53 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.103 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR & IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/15/04 9:03:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, amfmdx@fastq.c= om=20 writes: > If I still lived in Rhode Island where I could hear WOR 24/7 I would ask= =20 > Tom > if he would give me the tour. Maybe I would like it, maybe not but at lea= st > I could say that I saw and heard it in person. >=20 > I live 2000+ miles away in Arizona and its not likely I would be up there= . > Its best to keep an open mind and see what's there. >=20 > I think IBOC is going to have a rough go of it when enough stations > broadcast hash and people stop listening to the radio in the car but I am > not against digital radio per se. As I have said ad infinitum, I am not t= oo > happy with the implementation and the route the FCC chose. >=20 > Kevin >=20 Well Kevin where I am,I'm about a 10 hour drive from NYC...so maybe a stop= =20 over this summer during a vacation herecould be put into the works.I've got= a=20 brother-in-law that lives in upstate central NY...so if a "slight" detour c= ould=20 be smoothed over with the better half...we'll see what the "war=20 department"gives the ok for...lol. As far as IBOC goes....like anything new and misunderstood,it will have a=20 rough way to go. As far as the digital noise and its effects...I'm eagerly= =20 awaiting to get my hands on an HD receiver and see personally how it sounds= and=20 performs over todays cheap,poor bandwith,poor rejection type analog radios. Its sad when an automotive radio suffers from desense on AM from an FM=20 station!One thing is for sure,radios are not built like they used to be bui= lt. By the description of the article written in Radio World several issues ago= =20 showing Tom installing his HD radio in his car and the initial test....it a= ll=20 seems quite interesting. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com -------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Feb 15 18:35:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75046 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 02:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 02:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 02:35:45 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.4e.27b46dda (4238) for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:35:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4e.27b46dda.2d618674@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:35:32 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.35 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tubes was: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/15/04 9:07:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 amymousie@yahoo.com writes: > >PRICE) $205.00 Plus S&H FOB El Paso, TX WEIGHT) 12 LBS >=20 > Ouch! That's a bit steep for my budget! :/ >=20 >=20 Sadly enough thats the going rate on transformers and the like these days.= =20 Heavy iron requires a big and deep pocket if you maintain these old=20 transmitters. About 4 years ago I had to replace a reactor and a modulation transformer i= n=20 a Raytheon RA 1000 [ 1kw transmitter ]. The cost was just over $800 bucks a= nd=20 4 weeks of waiting for them to be made by Peter Dahl. The two pieces of iron were still going strong the day the Raytheon was tak= en=20 out of broadcast service and given to yours truly. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ----------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------------------ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield= Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 18:53:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13545 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 02:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 02:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 02:53:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20040216025310.13879.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.96] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:53:10 PST Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:53:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > The Amperex tubes are fine. > > I have never had any luck with Aperex tubes. I think > the vacuum is a tad on > the soft side. They go flat much faster than the > Eimacs. In a flea market > find today I found 4 new-in-box '01As! Now I can get > that old Crosley Pup > going! We've been getting a year in modulator service. They just suddenly fall off a cliff. The ones we have in now scream and we put the old modulators in the RF ( the RF tubes got soft after 3 years ) and now it screams... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 18:55:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61397 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 02:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 02:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 02:55:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20040216025557.97485.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.96] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:55:57 PST Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:55:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Telephone Memories X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > That is not my memory of the 2bess or 3ess machines. > When properly > engineered, they were as fast as any analog ess > machine and quiet. I even > had a couple of 2bess machines that had remotes > (rsc's) operating off the > main processor in the host machine, and all was very > quiet. I was talking about the user end. The 2's I always heard from dialing into had an extra clunk. The #1's were easy to identify by the solid CHUNKriiiing. The digital stuff is just ringing after you hit the last digit, even WAAAY up in Canada 3000 miles away. The 3 was about as fast as an #5 crossbar. We even had ( have??) a DMS-10 in service. That's 10, not 100. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 18:58:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18795 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 02:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 02:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 02:58:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20040216025837.78015.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.96] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:58:37 PST Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:58:37 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tubes was: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Amy Mousie wrote: > > When I was looking for info on the 833a, I found > that Svetlana does make > them, since I found their PDF brochure online for > the tube. > > KEWL! That is GREAT news. Now all I have to do is > snag that BC-1G I have > been eyeballing! > > Thanks for the great news, Amy...I could KISS ya! > Hmmm How would that look, > a mouse being kissed by a possum? > > Now to find some Eimac quality 4-400Cs > > Kevin Svetlana had thought about making some 4-400's. I asked them in Email. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 19:02:52 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 19:05:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27955 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 03:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 03:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 03:05:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20040216030556.61751.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.96] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:05:56 PST Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:05:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: 833's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW 833's --- Amy Mousie wrote: > I put it in the uploads directory- Just look for > "833a.pdf". :) > Just need to find the power transformer to make the > 833a I have into > the light I have wanted to have. :) Just find enough of them ( ones that are discards, that have good filaments but RF out is weak) and put them in series. That would be kinda bright, and you wouldn't like the power consumption, either.... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From tomray@wor710.com Sun Feb 15 19:08:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88362 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 03:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 03:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 03:08:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 03:08:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:08:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 702 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Power-Side in NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > Sounds like it was a lovely day....and you didn't want Lenny to modify the > new DX-50 for PowerSide, eh? > No, no, no, no, no! What a way to ruin a great transmitter! Especially since the connection to the Continental had been botched on that original installation, bypassing the Magniphase VSWR detector. Had a contactor hang up in the phasor one night while doing some work....transmitter came up into no load. A Doherty amplifier makes a very loud noise and shoots lightning bolts when that condition exists. Not a pretty site....good thing I had the correct color pants on that night. T From tomray@wor710.com Sun Feb 15 19:11:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62347 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 03:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 03:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 03:11:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 03:11:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:11:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 534 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: but about a year > ago, either Mr. Richards or Mr. Ray came up with that idea after I > mentioned that I have a Panasonic AM Stereo generator and a set of > CRL AM Stereo audio processing gear. Wasn't me....and I'm the one that would need to OK this. No way. We're overloaded with work as it is, and setting up a C-Quam exciter on a 50KW rig will take several hours....even on a DX-50. Very frankly, I have better things to do with my time. TR From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Feb 15 19:11:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34368 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 03:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 03:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 03:11:41 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.23.3ad6c432 (4238) for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:11:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <23.3ad6c432.2d618eea@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:11:38 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.1 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 833's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/15/04 10:06:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.c= om=20 writes: > 833's > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > >I put it in the uploads directory- Just look for > >"833a.pdf". :) >=20 > >Just need to find the power transformer to make the > >833a I have into=20 > >the light I have wanted to have. :) >=20 > Just find enough of them ( ones that are discards, > that have good filaments but RF out is weak) and put > them in series. That would be kinda bright, and you > wouldn't like the power consumption, either.... >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 You'll need some heavy duty gauge wire and to light up just one 833's=20 filaments..you'll need a hefty power supply. In an old 833 that I tested on= ce,the=20=20 filaments will draw about 10 to 15 amps...and this was just one tube! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- -----------------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 Skywarn monit= or-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703--145.250/R VHF,440.850/L UHF,29.550/RB VHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ------------------------- * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 19:13:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83439 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 03:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 03:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 03:13:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20040216031324.34067.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.96] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:13:24 PST Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:13:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.89 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Power-Side in NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum > Hunter" > wrote: > > Sounds like it was a lovely day....and you didn't > want Lenny to > modify the > > new DX-50 for PowerSide, eh? > No, no, no, no, no! What a way to ruin a great > transmitter! > Especially since the connection to the Continental > had been botched > on that original installation, bypassing the > Magniphase VSWR > detector. Had a contactor hang up in the phasor one > night while > doing some work....transmitter came up into no load. > A Doherty > amplifier makes a very loud noise and shoots > lightning bolts when > that condition exists. Not a pretty site....good > thing I had the > correct color pants on that night. > T Orange? Was the noise worse than the dreaded KA-BLAAAAM Harris FM transmitters do when tuning up after a tube change? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Feb 15 19:17:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65518 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 03:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 03:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 03:17:56 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.1cd.19a7eafc (4238) for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:17:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1cd.19a7eafc.2d619060@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:17:52 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.5 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Power-Side in NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/15/04 10:09:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, tomray@wor710.com writes: > good thing I had the > correct color pants on that night. > > LOL...yeah every engineer needs to have a couple dark brown pants ready for action. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 19:24:11 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Feb 15 19:35:56 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 19:42:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4700 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 03:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 03:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 03:42:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 03:42:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:42:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 520 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.8 Subject: Re: Tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics BTW, for the vacuum tube fanatics here, don't overlook a vintage electric organ if you can find one in a trash heap somewhere. A few years back I parted out an early '60s Lowrey organ that had nearly 100 tubes inside, including a bunch of 12AX7's and a pair of highly coveted 7591 audio output tubes. Needless to say, its power transformer was quite hefty! I still have the demo record for it somewhere. The variety of sounds that could be made with this crude pre-Moog circuitry is actually quite interesting. From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Feb 15 19:44:03 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 19:49:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33654 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 03:49:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 03:49:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 03:49:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20040216034924.5666.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.121] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:49:24 PST Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:49:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDAE4@aubwm206> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Kevin, > > Tom has even offered to go for a quick corned beef > meal - sounds awesome. NOW I am hungry. HMMMM! Can't get that down in SC. Well actually a ham friend of mine I talked to ( he's originally from CT ) was cooking some corned beef and cabbage. SIGH! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Feb 15 19:50:52 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sun Feb 15 20:09:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99237 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 04:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 04:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.18) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 04:09:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:09:49 -0800 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by sea2-dav46.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 04:09:48 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:09:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2004 04:09:49.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[B85C9540:01C3F442] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.164.18 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: FTP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Need User/Pass for ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 20:28:59 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 20:57:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34768 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 04:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 04:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 04:57:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20040216045757.44457.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:57:57 PST Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:57:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.146 From: "John P." Subject: IBOC & CQuam together? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio IBOC radios to feature CQuam? Here's the suggestion to the FCC: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6515782108 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Feb 15 21:02:29 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From dav259@csiro.au Sun Feb 15 21:10:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8086 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 05:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 05:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 05:10:20 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1G5AHKY014734 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:10:18 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:10:17 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <20040216045757.44457.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC & CQuam together? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, John P. wrote: > IBOC radios to feature CQuam? Here's the suggestion to the FCC: > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_docume > t=6515782108 Good one Johnny E! And thanks Kevin T for providing the Forum. You're doing much more advocacy for AM stereo than most on the list lately. Let's fight on! 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Groups Links From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Feb 15 21:26:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70331 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 05:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 05:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 05:26:51 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.159.2dc8df7e (4238) for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:26:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <159.2dc8df7e.2d61ae97@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:26:47 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.6 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/15/04 10:44:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 rwagoner@cox.net writes: > You also said that IBOC sounds worst with voices. >=20 > On Sunday, February 15, 2004, at 04:51 PM, Kevin T. wrote: >=20 > >One reason is that WOR is a mono talk station. >=20 LOL..this is like stereo within stereo. Talk out of both sides of de mouth= =20 ...lol Now only if it were coming to us all out of phase [grin] [in winter weather wonderland where in eastern NC the rain sleet mix a half= =20 hour ago turned into pea size hail MIXED with sleet,freezing rain,sleet,sno= w=20 with thunder..2-5 inches of the white stuff expected ....Ahhhh NY weather=20 finally!] Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- -----------------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 Skywarn monit= or-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703--145.250/R VHF,440.850/L UHF,29.550/RB VHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ------------------------- * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 21:29:36 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Feb 15 21:35:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5577 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 05:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 05:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 05:35:53 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1G5ZqYD023753 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:35:52 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1G5Zr3e011942 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:35:53 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1G5ZrhP011937 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:35:53 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <182GR3V0>; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:35:52 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDAE9@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:35:49 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Here's the current weather in Brisbane, Oz http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDQ65113.shtml Temp today was 36.3 degrees CELCIUS (97 degrees F) Humidity is 67% Talk about completely opposite! :) Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com [mailto:KC4QLP@aol.com] Sent: Monday, 16 February 2004 3:27 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 11101010011011101...... [in winter weather wonderland where in eastern NC the rain sleet mix a half hour ago turned into pea size hail MIXED with sleet,freezing rain,sleet,snow with thunder..2-5 inches of the white stuff expected ....Ahhhh NY weather finally!] Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Feb 15 21:43:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74351 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 05:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 05:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 05:43:16 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.134.2b287722 (4238) for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:43:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <134.2b287722.2d61b26f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:43:11 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.11 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/16/04 12:04:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 rwagoner@cox.net writes: > No, we're suggesting that you would have more credibility if you=20 > learned about what you hate. My motto..the more you know the more you grow. It has nothing to do with th= e=20 NRA,RIAA,CIA,iBiquity,Kahn,the big M,Democrat or Republicans or any of that= =20 other stuff. Digital radio,whether it be in the form of IBOC,Cam-D or whatever will be a= t=20 most stations be the new vehicle for stereo on AM. >=20 >=20 > IBOC can be stereo. I don't think it is off topic. Its very much an on topic...its going to be the future of AM/FM radio wheth= er=20 you like it or not.This isnt saying that just because its the "new digital= =20 wave" makes it right and dandy..its just to say this is another phase that = radio=20 is going through. So we can either REgress by not learning about these changes on the=20 horizon............or ...........we can PROgress {amstereo-subscribe@topica= .com} and=20 learn what is new..whether it is something we agree with or not. By choosing to somewhat ingnore it..wont make it go away. > > > >That is, after all, what we're here for. >=20 > I thought it was the alcohol. >=20 > Richard >=20 Whose got the nuts to go along with the beer? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- -----------------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 Skywarn monit= or-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703--145.250/R VHF,440.850/L UHF,29.550/RB VHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ------------------------- * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 21:49:53 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Feb 15 21:57:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63430 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 05:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 05:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 05:57:13 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.119.2ef399a4 (4238) for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:57:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <119.2ef399a4.2d61b5b4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:57:08 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.9 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/16/04 12:36:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 matthew.trim@eds.com writes: > Here's the current weather in Brisbane, Oz > http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDQ65113.shtml >=20 > Temp today was 36.3 degrees CELCIUS (97 degrees F) > Humidity is 67% >=20 > Talk about completely opposite! :) >=20 Yeah tell me about it! National Weather Service : Zone Forecast : Pasquotank , North Carolina weather.com - Large Maps=20=20 Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- -----------------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 Skywarn monit= or-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703--145.250/R VHF,440.850/L UHF,29.550/RB VHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ------------------------- * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Feb 15 22:03:32 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sun Feb 15 22:05:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79642 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 06:05:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 06:05:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.119) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 06:05:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:05:24 -0800 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by sea2-dav15.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:05:24 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:05:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2004 06:05:24.0917 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE375650:01C3F452] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.164.119 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: New File Uploaded X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Uploaded AMS.pdf @ ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/AMS.pdf It goes into the what happened to am stereo and about the different formats, etc. good reading. It also goes into the benefits of AMS and AMAX over mono. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Feb 15 22:09:12 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Feb 15 22:12:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92966 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 06:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 06:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 06:12:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 06:12:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:12:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 412 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 68.161.31.81 Subject: Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio > Now, as Mr. Falk suggested, can we get back to discussing AM Stereo? > > That is, after all, what we're here for. True. However, there is a cause and effect here between IBOC and AM Stereo. If HD happens, AM Stereo goes bye-bye. If you all are upset about the end of C-Quam, it is in your best interest to know all about the system that may replace it... and as good engineers, that is EVERY angle. From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Feb 15 22:17:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47206 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 06:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 06:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 06:17:55 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.27.5139700b (4238) for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:17:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <27.5139700b.2d61ba83@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:17:39 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.4 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/16/04 1:04:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 evergreenterrace@buzzle.com writes: > Still not valid. Talk radio will not go away with the advent of=20 > IBOC, so seeing (and hearing) IBOC in a talk radio setting is just=20 > as important as seeing (and hearing) it in a music setting. Taking=20 > a ride with Tom listening to the Kenwood in Manhattan also can=20 > demonstrate the difference between the analog signal fading under=20 > noise vs the digital signal and how well it does in the concrete=20 > jungle. >=20 It would be interesting to see and hear that in action.=20 Also it would be a marvel to listen to WOR and WLW do another nighttime tes= t=20 with the HD radio just to see how everything behaves at night with the sign= al=20 fading and the IBOC sidebands in the mix of it all. >=20 > I mean, did people run out and purchase AM Stereo=20 > >receivers in 1983-1984 just to listen to mono talk stations? No.=20=20 > >The main attraction was to make AM music stations sound better.=20=20 > And=20 > >now, 20 years later, the same expectations apply with IBOC. >=20 > Making AM sound better is one application. Trying to get rid of the=20 > noise is another goal of digital AM. Well we all know that the noise wont ever be gone from AM,but it sure can b= e=20 held at bay in some cases. [just as I finsh typing that=20 line...**crackle!**--on the AM radio-- ..another flash of lightning and thu= nder snow] >=20 > That being said, does digital AM succeed? With IBOC, the risks vs=20 > rewards are still not good enough as I have said before, but that=20 > doesn't mean one shouldn't explore all available opportunities to=20 > see it in action.... even if that person is pro or con. >=20 Wish I had a few more hours in a day ..like a 50 hour day,I'd make the trip= =20 up north right now to see all of this first hand ......AND... report the fa= cts=20 and nothing but the facts to everyone else. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- -----------------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 Skywarn monit= or-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703--145.250/R VHF,440.850/L UHF,29.550/RB VHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ------------------------- * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Feb 15 22:21:03 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Feb 15 22:28:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20083 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 06:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 06:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 06:28:36 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.9f.43be37de (4238) for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:28:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9f.43be37de.2d61bd11@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:28:33 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.9 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/16/04 1:14:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 evergreenterrace@buzzle.com writes: > >Now, as Mr. Falk suggested, can we get back to discussing AM=20 > Stereo? > > > >That is, after all, what we're here for. >=20 > True. However, there is a cause and effect here between IBOC and AM=20 > Stereo. If HD happens, AM Stereo goes bye-bye.=20 AM stereo from a C-Quam angle would become a thing of the past..however=20 stereo on AM is possible with HD. So again that agruement has no strong gro= und. About the only issues are what effects a digital signal has with adjacent=20 analog stations.But then again who know what the new hybrid radios {HD radi= os]=20 are capable of doing.We wont know until we get a radio of our own. Gotta=20 remember that radios made today are two components short of being a portabl= e trash=20 can. >=20 > If you all are upset about the end of C-Quam, it is in your best=20 > interest to know all about the system that may replace it... and as=20 > good engineers, that is EVERY angle. >=20 Well gotta stop and look at those screaming the loudest against digital rad= io=20 and turning a blind eye away from IBOC.....they are not engineers like=20 yourself or me. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- -----------------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 Skywarn monit= or-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703--145.250/R VHF,440.850/L UHF,29.550/RB VHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ------------------------- * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Feb 15 22:29:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26306 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 06:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 06:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 06:29:43 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1G6TgYD028382 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:29:42 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1G6TgKs030839 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:29:42 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1G6TgBk030834 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:29:42 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <182GRQ6Q>; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:29:41 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDAEB@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:29:40 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: Storm Approaching - AM static watch! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Some entertainment for the static spotters: After the extremely hot weather here today, a thunderstorm is approaching (thankfully!) Have a listen to the (mono unfortunately) 1197AM net stream if you want to go static spotting :) http://i1197.oznetradio.com:8610/live.ogg.m3u (Winamp Full install required as it contains the OGG codec) :) -----Original Message----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com [mailto:KC4QLP@aol.com] Sent: Monday, 16 February 2004 3:57 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 11101010011011101...... In a message dated 2/16/04 12:36:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 matthew.trim@eds.com writes: > Here's the current weather in Brisbane, Oz > http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDQ65113.shtml >=20 > Temp today was 36.3 degrees CELCIUS (97 degrees F) > Humidity is 67% >=20 > Talk about completely opposite! :) >=20 Yeah tell me about it! National Weather Service : Zone Forecast : Pasquotank , North Carolina weather.com - Large Maps=20=20 Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - -- --------------------------- -----------------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 Skywarn monit= or-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703--145.250/R VHF,440.850/L UHF,29.550/RB VHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - -- ------------------------- * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links =20 From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Feb 15 22:35:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74951 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 06:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 06:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 06:35:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 06:35:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:35:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <110.2e1fda79.2d61bb4a@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 444 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 68.161.31.81 Subject: {AMSF} Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: . > > > BINGO!...hit the nail on the head! and look!..a solid house was built filled > with knowlegde. Kevin is not a stupid person. That's why his refusal to look at this is so odd. I agree with alot of what he has to say, but I just don't see how someone can comment without looking at all the angles. It's as if someone reviewed a new car based on it sitting there in park. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 22:38:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93440 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 06:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 06:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 06:38:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20040216063804.85075.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.193] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:38:04 PST Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:38:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDAEB@aubwm206> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.41 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Storm Approaching - AM static watch! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes I belong to a weather group and they talk about their AM radios for spherics(lightning crackle)not that theres much on our AM band. We have just had lousy weather for February here been told the rain & gales are like June. Michael "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: Some entertainment for the static spotters: After the extremely hot weather here today, a thunderstorm is approaching (thankfully!) Have a listen to the (mono unfortunately) 1197AM net stream if you want to go static spotting :) http://i1197.oznetradio.com:8610/live.ogg.m3u (Winamp Full install required as it contains the OGG codec) :) -----Original Message----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com [mailto:KC4QLP@aol.com] Sent: Monday, 16 February 2004 3:57 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 11101010011011101...... In a message dated 2/16/04 12:36:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, matthew.trim@eds.com writes: > Here's the current weather in Brisbane, Oz > http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDQ65113.shtml > > Temp today was 36.3 degrees CELCIUS (97 degrees F) > Humidity is 67% > > Talk about completely opposite! :) > Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Feb 15 22:42:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88504 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 06:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 06:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 06:42:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 06:42:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:42:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9f.43be37de.2d61bd11@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 970 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 68.161.31.81 Subject: {AMSF} Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > Well gotta stop and look at those screaming the loudest against digital radio > and turning a blind eye away from IBOC.....they are not engineers like > yourself or me. If Kevin went to WOR, took a ride with an HD radio in the car and still felt that the positives did not outweigh the negatives, then he has every right because he has looked at it from ALL sides. Have I been in a car with an HD radio? No. Do I plan to be? Yes, in the near future. Do I think it will change my mind... PROBABLY not, but I am not going to be closed minded about it. I am probably going to say that AM HD reception in major cities is BETTER in the digital mode vs analog and that is a plus to ANY digital system (FM multipath problems will also be a thing of the past... no dispute there). However, I will not sign off on it until I hear for myself. Who knows... maybe there will be dropouts, maybe not. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 15 22:42:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5486 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 06:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 06:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 06:42:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 06:42:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:42:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4115 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.126.222.199 Subject: Re: Tom and Kerry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith" > wrote: > > Hi gang I just waned to ask a qeustion of Tom and Kerry . What the > ground wave range of your IBOC signal? I live a 100 mile NE of > Berkly Ca. Thats where KFRC AM 610 has there 5kw trannsmitter is at > right on the shore of the north bay. And points east of me can hear > them just fine. And the tower is only 447 feet. I live at thr elev. > of 600 feet above sea level wich thats where there tower is at sea > level. I am just cureruse about 50kw signal will it have less range > then the analog 50kw anlog will have? Just wondering . Jim Smith > > > > > Hi Jim: > > First you need to understand the FCC definition of an AM station's > coverage. During the day, your grade B coverage is to the .5mV/M > contour....at night, the Nighttime Interference Free limit is between > 5mV/M to 2mV/M....I'd have to look it up for the class of station > we're talking about. > > Anyway, the iBiquity system is designed to operate to the 0.5mV/M > contour. > > Taking a couple of directions in the WOR signal.....if you look on a > map, locate Rutherford, NJ (I doubt you'd find Lyndhurst, which is > just south of Rutherford). The WOR signal is basically a bent figure > 8....the bottom of the figure 8 goes directly towards Philly (85KW > equivalent). The top of the figure 8 is bent over to the east and > aims directly at the eastern end of Long Island (160KW equivalent). > There is a mother of a notch to the north/north-west (this is about > 5KW). There is another notch, not quite so deep, towards the > Atlantic Ocean. Since the fish don't get Arbitron books, we won't > talk about them! > > The 0.5mV/M measured contour of WOR is about 3/4 the way out on Long > Island from the City. From Lyndhurst in the direction of Philly, it > is at the Delaware Bridge on I-95, just south of Philly and 95 miles > from the transmitter. In the direction of Allentown, PA (follow I- 78 > out from Newark), it is about 72 miles at the eastern border of > Allentown. To the northwest (find route 17 and go north), it is > about the New York/New Jersey line, a distance of 20 miles. > Predictions in this direction show it to be about 25-26 miles, but in > practice it is around where I said due to terrain and other issues. > Incidentally, at the NAB Radio Show in Philly this October, the WOR > IBOC signal could be heard on radios at the iBiquity booth inside the > convention center. Yes, they had a loop antenna on the roof, but it > was not amplified, and I'm not the only one who heard it. > > OK. Having this basic ground work, the IBOC coverage goes out just > about to the 3/4 point on Long Island (this is almost to the > forks....about 7-8 miles west of them...I apologize for not knowing > the actual mileage), goes to the Delaware Bridge, falls apart at the > Allentown City limit, and falls apart at the NY/NJ line on route 17, > though I can hear it sporatically north of there depending on many > factors. > > Speaking strictly of coverage as defined by the FCC, the digital > coverage for all intents and purposes is equal to the analog > coverage. Realistically speaking, we all know you can hear an AM > station beyond the 0.5mV contour. Chances of decoding the IBOC > signal beyond the 0.5mV contour are slim, as the signal level is too > low and, as you know, is easily affected by any type of electrical or > atmospheric noise and skywave at night. > > So that's my long winded answer. If I confused you or if you want me > to elaborate, or answer another question, ask away! > > TR Hi Well far as i can tell by what you are saying that you signal is just under a 100 miles and in a patteran. But KFRC'S analog sinal is non di. and is only 5kw and i am at about the 100 miles mark and i have herd them well up in to and over the serria moutions 7,000ft + wich is all east of me. Do you think a 5 kw Iboc signal can do the the same thing. Jim Smith From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 22:55:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52284 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 06:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 06:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 06:55:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 06:55:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:55:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 607 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.8 Subject: Re: The Final Word X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I don't think anyone came here to follow in support of your > anti-WOR crusades, but just came to discuss all aspects of > conventional AM stereo. Well, we all have our pet peeves. I seem to recall the anti- Clear Channel crusades that took place on another AM Stereo list... > So, please- Enough, already. On that, we can agree. And let me just make myself clear: If and when WOR begins to transmit an AM Stereo signal 24 hours a day, by whatever means they choose, I will be more than happy to pay them a visit. But until then, I think they and I both have better things to do with our time. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 23:02:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26283 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 07:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 07:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 07:02:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 07:02:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 07:02:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 871 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.214 Subject: Re: Tom and Kerry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > Hi Well far as i can tell by what you are saying that you signal is > just under a 100 miles and in a patteran. But KFRC'S analog sinal is > non di. and is only 5kw and i am at about the 100 miles mark and i > have herd them well up in to and over the serria moutions 7,000ft + > wich is all east of me. Do you think a 5 kw Iboc signal can do the > the same thing. Jim Smith I used to spend my summers on the north shore of Clear Lake, which is over 100 miles away, when I was little, and I listened to Dr. Don Rose and the midday & afternoon DJs on KFRC. Not bad for a 5kW signal at all! Considering just how mountainous northern California is, KFRC is proof you didn't need to be a blowtorch to be heard all over the SF Bay Area and surrounding counties. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Feb 15 23:03:23 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 23:08:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38752 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 07:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 07:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 07:08:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 07:08:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 07:08:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 365 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.8 Subject: Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If HD happens, AM Stereo goes bye-bye. Only in major markets in the USA, that is -- and that is assuming stations stopping adding IBOC before it reaches the "critical mass" point where it causes more interference than it solves. Meanwhile, for every one WOR using IBOC, there are twenty KEVAs using analog AM Stereo. And that is what I am here to support. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 23:29:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60840 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 07:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 07:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 07:29:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 07:29:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 07:28:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 318 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.8 Subject: Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It's as if someone reviewed a new car based on it sitting there in > park. Well, in my case it would have to stay in "park", because I don't know how to drive an automatic. And what's with this whole newfangled idea of "power-assisted" steering? Sigh... just give me four doors, five speeds, and AM Stereo.... From dav259@csiro.au Sun Feb 15 23:40:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21939 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 07:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 07:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 07:40:23 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1G7eKKY021088 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:40:22 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:40:20 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <20040216045757.44457.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC & CQuam together? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Johnny Your IBOC/C-quam day/night 10 year compromise proposal to the FCC seems an ideal solution. Particularly in view that radios would be so easy to manufacture. And as new radios were purchased both systems would get a fair go and listeners and broadcasters would be able to make rational decisions. The market would decide and listeners wouldn't lose out. And with a finite spectrum the listeners likes should be paramount. I expect the NAB and iBiquity will damn your submission - but let's hope it gets due consideration. (Though I wouldn't hold my breath.) Is there any way we can support and promote it? Ian From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 15 23:40:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7358 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 07:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 07:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 07:40:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 07:40:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 07:40:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1436 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.126.222.199 Subject: Re: Tom and Kerry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: > > > Hi Well far as i can tell by what you are saying that you signal > is > > just under a 100 miles and in a patteran. But KFRC'S analog sinal > is > > non di. and is only 5kw and i am at about the 100 miles mark and i > > have herd them well up in to and over the serria moutions 7,000ft + > > wich is all east of me. Do you think a 5 kw Iboc signal can do the > > the same thing. Jim Smith > > I used to spend my summers on the north shore of Clear Lake, which is > over 100 miles away, when I was little, and I listened to Dr. Don > Rose and the midday & afternoon DJs on KFRC. Not bad for a 5kW signal > at all! > > Considering just how mountainous northern California is, KFRC is > proof you didn't need to be a blowtorch to be heard all over the SF > Bay Area and surrounding counties. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ That just gose to show you how good analog am is in the hills and mountion. Thats why am stereo has done so will in japan. Have you try those two stations i wrote you about? KACL 930 AM Grants Pass Or is NPR and the other one is KFLS 1450 AM Klamith Falls Or its oldies. I hope you can get thoughs hopfuly 1450 am. I looked on the list and found thouhe hopefuly for your injoyment. Thank you for you suport here . Jim smith From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 23:51:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13749 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 07:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 07:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 07:51:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 07:51:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 07:51:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 850 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.8 Subject: No promotion of IBOC allowed(?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As former WOR Program Director Rich Wood explains, radio stations using IBOC may not be allowed to promote their digital signal on the air -- I know WOR used to, but they removed any mention of it from their hourly ID some time last year..... From: Rich Wood (richbwood@comcast.net) Subject: Re: Central Ohio IBOC on 1010? Newsgroups: alt.radio.broadcasting Date: 2004-01-01 08:06:57 PST On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:18:12 GMT, "David Eduardo" wrote: > It's up to the local stations to promote digital. My feeling is > that many who are authorized and running are waiting for the CES > and cheaper radios before promoting. I'm told by people dealing with the FCC on digital that they're forbidden to promote digital of any kind until a system is officially chosen. Everyone is operating on experimental authority. Rich From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 23:56:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15037 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 07:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 07:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 07:56:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 07:56:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 07:56:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 691 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.214 Subject: Re: Tom and Kerry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > That just gose to show you how good analog am is in the hills and > mountion. Thats why am stereo has done so will in japan. Have you > try those two stations i wrote you about? KACL 930 AM Grants Pass Or > is NPR and the other one is KFLS 1450 AM Klamith Falls Or its > oldies. I hope you can get thoughs hopfuly 1450 am. I looked on the > list and found thouhe hopefuly for your injoyment. Thank you for you > suport here . Jim smith All too far away, not to mention I have KURY 910, Brookings, OR that comes in here as a 3 out of 5, and KGOE 1480, which is local to me. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Feb 16 00:05:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16719 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 08:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 08:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 08:05:04 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (ppp-67-126-222-199.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.126.222.199]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i1G854D60218; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:05:04 -0800 Message-ID: <001601c3f462$e0250240$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:59:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: KTWO AM 1030 Casper Wy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hay Michaeal j Ya i can get that 50kw screemer out here in calif. and have for a very long time . I wish thay can drop the Truckin Boso Network and go with classic county. Ya right!!! Thay wont do what there fellow CC station is doing in oakland KABL AM 960 full blown AM STEREO. Thay would sound great. I have some thing els i neet to talk to you about . Your ftp file parts have taken over my real player or it trys to down load soft ware that not there. Any i wished i could have gotten a trip throgh KTWO's trans site that would have been neet. I have been lissening to KTWO on and off ovr the last 26 years thay use to be great back in the 70's and erly 80's. . Thanks talk to ya all later . Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aalso@netzero.com Mon Feb 16 00:31:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30495 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 08:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 08:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 08:31:37 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([66.157.217.77]) by imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040216083137.KGZF18515.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:31:37 -0500 Message-ID: <4030800F.4050404@netzero.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:32:15 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.65 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr Actually this is NOT true.. Mono Talk has been the biggest downfall of IBOC. The New Algorithm is supposed to have fixed this, but I haven't had a chance to hear it. Tom, Perhaps I'll get to see you in Vegas again this year :) Alan >>>One reason is that WOR is a mono talk station. If I were to visit any station currently using IBOC, it would be WPEN in Philadelphia. That way, I could hear stereo music through the digital signal, which would be a better demonstration of IBOC's strengths and weaknesses than mono talk. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 00:32:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78982 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 08:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 08:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 08:32:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 08:32:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:32:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c3f462$e0250240$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 289 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.214 Subject: Re: KTWO AM 1030 Casper Wy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Remembering the days when KTWO was great to listen to... =sigh= Whatever happened to the magic of driving down the freeway on a moonlit night, jamming to some great sing-along songs on the radio for hundreds of miles? We really seem to have lost that magic spark. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 16 00:35:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8548 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 08:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 08:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 08:35:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 08:35:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:35:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 847 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.126.222.199 Subject: Re: Tom and Kerry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: > > > That just gose to show you how good analog am is in the hills > and > > mountion. Thats why am stereo has done so will in japan. Have you > > try those two stations i wrote you about? KACL 930 AM Grants Pass > Or > > is NPR and the other one is KFLS 1450 AM Klamith Falls Or its > > oldies. I hope you can get thoughs hopfuly 1450 am. I looked on the > > list and found thouhe hopefuly for your injoyment. Thank you for > you > > suport here . Jim smith > > All too far away, not to mention I have KURY 910, Brookings, OR that > comes in here as a 3 out of 5, and KGOE 1480, which is local to me. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Hay Amy thats a bummer!!! Jim Smith From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 00:38:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93253 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 08:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 08:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41211.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 08:38:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20040216083832.85642.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.193] by web41211.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:38:32 PST Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:38:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.44 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KTWO AM 1030 Casper Wy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy Mousie wrote: Whatever happened to the magic of driving down the freeway on a moonlit night, jamming to some great sing-along songs on the radio for hundreds of miles? It replaced by hiphop on a wet windy night stuck in queues of traffic:-) Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 16 00:46:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99734 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 08:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 08:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 08:46:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 08:46:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:46:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 745 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.126.222.199 Subject: Re: KTWO AM 1030 Casper Wy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > Remembering the days when KTWO was great to listen to... =sigh= > > Whatever happened to the magic of driving down the freeway on a > moonlit night, jamming to some great sing-along songs on the radio > for hundreds of miles? > > We really seem to have lost that magic spark. :( > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I know thay use to be great and one other station that use have a great format was KROW 780 AM Reno Nv. I allso saw some where on a old am stereo list some one was keeping in 1985 that KROW was in Harris Am Stereo . Thay had some smokein classic county. Its to bad that Micheal J out there in Wy can't get his hand s on a 50 kw tranns. HEY HEY Jim Smith From krichards@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 06:58:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69119 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 14:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 14:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 14:58:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 14:58:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:58:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1456 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Re: No promotion of IBOC allowed(?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Wrong....WOR pulled the HD radio legal ID at the top of the hour until the current program director sees fit to restore it. We ran the HD ID for several months, and as most of you know promotion spots come and go. This is an important spot at the top of each hour and it is currently used to promote our news department. By the way, Rich Wood was not the program director at WOR, he worked at the WOR Radio Network until leaving us a few years ago. Nice Guy by the way. Kerry....... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > As former WOR Program Director Rich Wood explains, radio stations > using IBOC may not be allowed to promote their digital signal on the > air -- I know WOR used to, but they removed any mention of it from > their hourly ID some time last year..... > > > From: Rich Wood (richbwood@c...) > Subject: Re: Central Ohio IBOC on 1010? > Newsgroups: alt.radio.broadcasting > Date: 2004-01-01 08:06:57 PST > > On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:18:12 GMT, "David Eduardo" > wrote: > > It's up to the local stations to promote digital. My feeling is > > that many who are authorized and running are waiting for the CES > > and cheaper radios before promoting. > > I'm told by people dealing with the FCC on digital that they're > forbidden to promote digital of any kind until a system is officially > chosen. Everyone is operating on experimental authority. > > Rich From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Feb 16 07:04:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88727 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 15:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 15:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 15:04:11 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:04:11 -0700 Message-ID: <008901c3f49e$22ca9de0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:04:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.193.72.41 From: "Michael J. Richard" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KTWO AM 1030 Casper Wy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL! Yeah RIGHT! I wish it was that simple. Too damn many 50kw stations out there already. And even the new ones that ARE hitting the air are so directional that they're not gonna cover half the country like KTWO, KFI, KOA, WLW, KOMA and others do. Plus they're so directional that some of the arrays are amazing. Case in point.....new 50kw station going on the air in the Salt Lake City metro sometime this year. I visited the new tower site. Very interesting to see a SIX (6) tower array. They'll be on 820. Extremely tight pattern, though.....as to not interfere with yet another station that covers half the country at night.....WBAP Ft Worth. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 1:46 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: KTWO AM 1030 Casper Wy Its to bad that Micheal J out there in Wy can't get his hand s on a 50 kw tranns. HEY HEY Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From krichards@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 07:43:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90226 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 15:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 15:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 15:43:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 15:43:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:43:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4084 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: AM Stereo Advocacy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Much here has been said about the failure of our Moderator to further investigate IBOC, whether by a visit to WOR, to an actual HD demo, or trade show etc. etc. Many of you think it is in his best interests to do something like this. Whether he wants to or not is his business, but I will say he cannot advance his credibilty until he does get more involved with the current state of AM Stereo. He has little or no creditbility on any issue surrounding the HD Radio system and the effects of the current C-Quam situation, because he choses to hide in his basement in New Jersey. What practical knowledge will he gain there? It's kind of like going to the University and getting all kinds of degrees, certificates, book knowledge, etc. etc. but, having no practical knowledge on the current state of affairs. This is Kevin Tekel's current problem. In my mind, and the mind of many other engineers, a guy like Neal Newman, who as an engineer does not really like IBOC. He has said so a couple of times here and given good reasons why, he has also attended the numerous SBE meetings, the HD tours, the Orban show, and the trade shows. While the market he works in is situated between two large ones he apparently keeps up with the current trends and is very well informed, and loves C-Quam. Here is someone who I can respect their viewpoint, he has been there and done that. If I were a C-Quam advocate I would want someone like this presenting my ideas, and "working for the cause". There are many others here who have the desire to learn more and base their statements on what they've learned and tested, and worked with. These are the opinions that are worth something and mean a lot, because they have some basis in fact and practical experience. In our ongoing discourse with Kevin we find he is unable to justify many statements he makes here for the above reasons, he just does not have any practical experience but is overloaded with "book knowledge". In trying to point this out to him, he fails to realize that I am an AM Stereo lover, and an advocate for anything that will get the product to the radio in the car or elsewhere. Instead he choses to go on the attack, and dream up all kinds of stuff which has no basis in fact, except in his mind. A good example of this would be his filing with the FCC, he totally misses the point, and fails to realize that outside of a protected contour, coverage is not guaranteed. This is one of the cornerstones of the FCC rules and it has always been this way. But he cannot see this. Because of this statement and others he has made, his argument carries little or no weight and is an illogical point of view. This is the kind of thinking he has developed sitting in his basement. We have tried on more than one occasion to point this out to him, but he takes these as what he thinks are personal attacks. Then he whips up all of his friends here and elsewhere based upon the illogical premisses which he thinks are somehow facts. Just like his continuing belief of what WOR's transmitted bandwidth actually is. Why is this so important? Does it mean anything in the real world of AM Stereo? He then goes on to prove his point, with a pitiful display from some uncalibrated piece of equipment in his basement. Do you think this is logical? To paraphrase a previous post: "this is just like Don Quixote, with windmills and such". I have heard of his crazy demonstrations and showing of his "toys" at various Hamfests, but these are for entertainment purposes only and are really toys. Yet he thinks he can get on a public forum and attack me, my employer, my boss, and my friends with his crazy ideas in totem. If an Adovocate for C-Quam and AM stereo in general is ever found, God help us it is not Kevin Tekel. The sad part of this lies in the fact that the "olive branch" has been offered, inumerable times, yet he sits in his basement. This is truly his loss, not anyone elses. Go Figure? Kerry Richards Chief Engineer WOR-AM Buckley Broadcasting Corproation From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 08:07:17 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 08:09:08 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Feb 16 08:13:17 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 08:13:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66753 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:13:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20040216161354.92592.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.82] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:13:54 PST Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:13:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.85 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > It's as if someone reviewed a new car based on it > sitting there in > > park. > > Well, in my case it would have to stay in "park", > because I don't > know how to drive an automatic. Simple if it's a 240D, put in drive and put foot to floor on accelerator.... > And what's with this whole newfangled idea of > "power-assisted" > steering? > Sigh... just give me four doors, five speeds, and AM > Stereo.... I only have 2 doors on the truck. It's sometimes confusing switching between 5 speed and an automatic. ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 08:17:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64822 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:17:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:17:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:17:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 16:17:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:17:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1213 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: IBOC & skywave - not a good mix! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray But what you're missing is that IBOC operation and practice is set up in accordance to the FCC regulations. Read them. There is no protection for skywave signals. All the protections are within specified contours. The only exception is a Class A AM station for which there is no definition of a "Nighttime Interference Free Contour". Looks like we're going to have to define one. And providing that the stations are operating in accordance with those FCC regulations, any lawsuit filed would not have a legal leg to stand on. If the skywave signal does not come under FCC protections, and since stations have to abide by the FCC regulations, the point becomes moot. From the day I started in this business 27 years ago, I have heard nothing but "AM needs to have technical parity with FM and needs to sound like FM". IBOC gives that parity.....unfortunately, you can't have your cake and eat it, too. Along with parity to FM comes parity in signal coverage. Get outside of the Grade B signal coverage of a class B FM (about 50 miles) and the signal goes to hell in a hurry....yet no one whines or complains. Do the same thing with an AM and "Oh, My god!!! The sky is falling!!!" TR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 08:17:37 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 08:18:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88332 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:18:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 16:18:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:18:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1077 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Kenwood IBOC radio = lousy AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray You'll note he doesn't say which radios he's used to (a GE SuperRadio?). The analog AM section in the Kenwood is no better or worse than the others on the market. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > From the Radio-Tech list.... > > > [RT] IBOC radio > Lowell Kiesow radio-tech@b... > Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:34:14 -0800 > > Tim, > > My experience is with the Kenwood KTC-HR100 HD adapter, which > replaces the AM/FM tuner section in the standard radio. The standard > radio is used as a control head. With that combination, the FM > (analog) section is great, the HD section is great, but the AM > section isn't so hot. It has good AM sensitivity, but the high > frequency response is rather dismal compared to other radios that I'm > used to. > > At 02:58 PM 1/20/04, you wrote: > > Lowell, > > > > Just out of curiosity, how does the Kenwood's analog section > > perform; especially the AM band? I'm looking for a good all- around > > radio to replace my OEM. > > > > Tim Mauch, CBT > > Mauch 5 Communications From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 08:21:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57182 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:21:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 16:21:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:21:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7e.45f2dc81.2d4f2034@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 788 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-Quam and HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > Ahhhh let me see here.....if there was actual splatter extending up to > 8khz,wouldnt that be causing great difficulties with the digital carriers 5.02kc > above and below center of the carrier? Bob: You are absolutely correcty. > Clearly the audio and its "by-products" are cut off at 5khz as to avoid > decoding errors of the digital mode. > > > Something doesnt add up here and my calculator has fresh batteries. > I believe....and Kevin won't accept this....that he is seeing/hearing a mixing product caused by some non-linearity in the detector of the radios he is using. Those detectors weren't designed to accept the constant barrage of the HD carriers, and may be generating byproducts locally. T From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 08:23:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62493 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:23:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 16:23:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:23:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 672 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: C-Quam and HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > If WOR chose to use the IBOC exciter's _internal_ 5 kHz audio filter, > that would be the case... but instead, they use the Optimod 9200's > filter set to 5 kHz bandwidth, which causes the "ringing" distortion. WOR chooses not to use the exciter's internal 5K filter because it sounds like crap and causes more spectrum issues than the filters in the 9200....which has been off the air for two weeks now. If the internal 5K filter sounded decent, it would be in line. This is something we were adamant about when we heard the analog with the internal 5K filter in line. TR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 08:26:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10938 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:26:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 16:25:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:25:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040216031324.34067.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 325 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Power-Side in NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > Was the noise worse than the dreaded KA-BLAAAAM Harris > FM transmitters do when tuning up after a tube change? > It was about on par....except that, with the window on the PA door, you also get a lovely light show at no extra cost! From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 08:29:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30296 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:29:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 16:29:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:29:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7b.227cf716.2d619816@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 296 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > Tom and Kerry wont break your legs and stuff you in some storage > trunk.....common on what is there to not to want to visit and see? Hey....just because Jimmy may be buried under our tower #2 doesn't mean we act the same way! TR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 08:30:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92035 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:30:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 16:30:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:30:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00d801c3f4a7$c8e013f0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 565 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Advocacy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Well that's it for me. I ain't hangin around for anymore blasting > and flaming. I've had enough. I'm outta here. I ain't gonna hang > around for the "flexing of the power muscle" and him booting Tom and > Kerry from the group and so forth. Perhaps you misunderstood my comment. The memberships of Mr. Richards and Mr. Ray have not changed. However, there is something new on the horizon. There will be a change here -- hopefully, a change for the better. Kevin T. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ibocforum From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 08:31:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15137 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:31:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 16:31:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:31:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040216045757.44457.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 493 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: IBOC & CQuam together? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > IBOC radios to feature CQuam? Here's the suggestion to the FCC: > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi? native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6515782108 I have heard some manufacturers state that they won't be putting c- quam sections into their HD radios because c-quam is passe and no longer needed. Ever consider that maybe a few well written letters to the manufacturers may change their minds?? T From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Feb 16 08:34:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74524 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.198.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:34:09 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040216163407013009ie1ke>; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:34:08 +0000 To: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:34:01 -0500 Message-ID: <007f01c3f4aa$b388a3c0$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.198.35 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: My Problem With IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn While most of you look at the problem with IBOC as being whether the quality is good or not, I look at it another way. The biggest problem I have with it is the amount of noise that is thrown out on each side of an IBOC station. I really enjoy DXing FM, and to some extent AM, and I'm afraid that this IBOC "hash" is going to completely destroy my hobby. Right now, when I'm down close to the south coast of MA where WOR is like a local, the hash is unbelievable. It completely trashes 700 and 720, and even puts some noise on 690 and 730. And this is from almost 100 miles away! Then there's WBZ which does the same thing all over the Boston area. Would it be possible that Ibquity could look into a way to reduce this hash? I know the system is called "In Band On Channel," but to me it seems like some have called it before "In Band Adjacent Channel (IBAC)." This same thing happens on FM, where 105.7 WROR sends out IBOC, and wipes out 105.5 and 105.9 on my Yamaha T-80 with narrow IF filters. On every other major FM frequency in Boston I can hear another station on an adjacent frequency with this tuner. They may be weak under normal conditions, but they are still possible to hear. I can see this becoming a real problem if more stations close in frequency start using IBOC. 96.1 WSRS (Class B) and 95.9 WATD (Class A) are about 50 miles apart. If both of these stations were using IBOC, they would greatly reduce the coverage of each other's station. The good thing about AM Stereo, is that it does not cause additional problems in terms of adjacent channel noise. While it's not the best system, it sure looks at lot better than IBOC to me. And I don't see what's wrong with FM Stereo either. It sounds better than anything digital I've ever heard. The DAB system in Canada and the rest of the world is looking pretty good to me right now, as it does not have any impact at all on the current broadcast bands. I hope someday in the future that the US will give up on IBOC, and go DAB. Hey, I can dream. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 08:43:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68660 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:43:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 16:42:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:42:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1433 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Tom and Kerry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > Hi Well far as i can tell by what you are saying that you signal is > just under a 100 miles and in a patteran. But KFRC'S analog sinal is > non di. and is only 5kw and i am at about the 100 miles mark and i > have herd them well up in to and over the serria moutions 7,000ft + > wich is all east of me. Do you think a 5 kw Iboc signal can do the > the same thing. Jim: I doubt that a 5KW station will produce an IBOC signal that far from the transmitter.....but it depends on many factors, one of which is the ground conductivity. But remember that just because you can hear an AM station (and that word "hear is subjective, because some people would consider wht you are hearing as noise) doesn't mean that there is enough signal level and therefore enough signal stability to produce the digital output. Of course, one of the receiver manufacturers told me the other day that they have learned a great deal from this first round of receivers being produced....and stated flat out that the next generation of receivers would be night and day over the present ones. They have learned how to negate the effects of certain types of interference on the IBOC, and have also learned how to make them more sensitive....so we shall see. We're still in a learning curve with a young technology.....we've got a long way to go! T From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 08:44:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96082 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:44:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 16:43:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:43:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 484 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: The Final Word X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > And let me just make myself clear: If and when WOR begins to > transmit an AM Stereo signal 24 hours a day, by whatever means they > choose, I will be more than happy to pay them a visit. But until > then, I think they and I both have better things to do with our time. WOR is transmitting an AM Stereo signal 12 hours of the day now....just not the AM Stereo system you want to hear about. T From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 08:47:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31530 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:47:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 16:47:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:47:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 813 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: No promotion of IBOC allowed(?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > As former WOR Program Director Rich Wood explains, radio stations > using IBOC may not be allowed to promote their digital signal on the > air -- I know WOR used to, but they removed any mention of it from > their hourly ID some time last year..... > I'm told by people dealing with the FCC on digital that they're > forbidden to promote digital of any kind until a system is officially > chosen. Everyone is operating on experimental authority. > > Rich You will be hearing a return of the WOR-HD ID soon. There is no FCC mandate on forbidding talking about digital transmission on the air. That is completely false. And Rich Wood was not PD of WOR....he was Director of the WOR Radio Network.....big difference. T From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 08:50:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61695 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:50:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 16:50:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:50:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4030800F.4050404@netzero.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 257 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Alan Alsobrook wrote: > Tom, Perhaps I'll get to see you in Vegas again this year :) > Alan Alan: Just don't look over my shoulder at the poker table! Your facial expressions give my hand away!!! T From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 08:55:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25789 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:54:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 16:54:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:54:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 328 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: The Final Word X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WOR is transmitting an AM Stereo signal 12 hours of the day > now....just not the AM Stereo system you want to hear about. No... like I said, "by whatever means they choose". But since when has WOR been producing stereo audio? Kevin T. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ibocforum From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 08:55:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85922 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:55:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 16:55:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:55:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 462 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Advocacy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > What have I ever filed with the FCC regarding WOR? That's news to > me. > Kevin: Your filing last year with the Commission mentioned WOR numerous times with several "facts" that could not be proven. Granted, the filing was regarding IBOC, but the information regarding WOR's operation, which was not accurate nor true, constitutes a filing regarding WOR in my mind. T From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 08:56:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90468 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:56:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 16:56:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:56:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 405 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: C-Quam and HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Have you listened to the station the past two weeks? The 9200 is > > off the air! The Omnia 5EX is presently on the air. > > Yes, I have... you are belatedly responding to a message I posted > *before* the Omnia was put into service. Oops. I think you're right. My browser jumped back too far. Sorry about that! T From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 08:59:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98588 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:59:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:59:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:59:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 16:59:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:59:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 755 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: The Final Word X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: to hear about. > > No... like I said, "by whatever means they choose". But since when > has WOR been producing stereo audio? You didn't say stereo audio. You said AM Stereo. There is a difference. There are many stations transmitting an AM stereo signal that are inputting mono audio to the exciter. Same difference here. There are many, many issues to overcome at the studio complex to take the audio stereo, and that is something we are working towards. It can't happen fast, and for me it can't happen fast enough. But re- doing a facility that is on the air and as busy as our studio complex is takes time so that nothing gets disrupted on the air. TR From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Feb 16 09:10:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31240 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 17:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 17:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 17:10:18 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.113] (d81-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.113]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id i1GHAU560913 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:10:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:09:55 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1076916543.1907.60890.m18@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1105 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > And let me just make myself clear: If and when WOR begins to > transmit an AM Stereo signal 24 hours a day, by whatever means they > choose, I will be more than happy to pay them a visit. But until > then, I think they and I both have better things to do with our time. I think you forgot the bulk of us would love to be in your shoes so we could see it. So please, don't say its "our" time. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amstereorules@msn.com Mon Feb 16 09:12:10 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Feb 16 09:16:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88393 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 17:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 17:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 17:16:39 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.113] (d81-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.113]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id i1GHGq561574 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:16:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:16:16 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1076950788.6108.98600.m16@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.62.193.66 From: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > IBOC gives that parity.....unfortunately, you can't > have your cake and eat it, too. Tom, This is something that I can't buy. I don't see how a lower bit rate AM will sound as good and be on a parity with a higher FM BCB bit rate. I don't see how the laws of physics can support this statement. All I want is the truth from ALL sides. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From krichards@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 09:38:36 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From krichards@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 09:49:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36301 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 17:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 17:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 17:49:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 17:49:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:49:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 750 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: To the SICK emailer from this group.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 CUT IT OUT, although I do not agree with the Moderator and others on this forum on many different grounds, I do not appreciate the sick and pornographic emails you have decided to send my way to my personal and company email accounts. I do not know almost everybody on this forum personally as maybe you do, but I respect them as people with lives and different viewpoints. Apparently you do not respect anyone and want to inflame the situation which can serve no useful purpose. I do not find this humourous at all, it is the product of a sick mind. If I get anymore of this crap, I'll forward it to Kevin the moderator here and let him deal with your removal from this forum. This will be your final and only warning. Kerry Richards From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 10:19:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8040 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 18:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 18:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 18:19:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 18:19:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:19:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 419 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: To the SICK emailer from this group.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If I get anymore of this crap, I'll forward it to Kevin the > moderator here and let him deal with your removal from this forum. Please do. Inappropriate and offensive behavior is not tolerated from any Forum member, regardless if they are an engineer of a #1 market station or a reclusive Luddite out in Podunkville. Kevin T. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ibocforum From aalso@netzero.com Mon Feb 16 10:26:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45322 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 18:26:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 18:26:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 18:26:30 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([66.157.217.77]) by imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040216182616.KTSH7256.imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:26:16 -0500 Message-ID: <40310B6F.60605@netzero.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:26:55 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.66 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:50:15 -0000 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: 11101010011011101...... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Alan Alsobrook wrote: >> Tom, Perhaps I'll get to see you in Vegas again this year >> Alan > > Alan: Just don't look over my shoulder at the poker table! Your facial expressions give my hand away!!! I don't know Tom, that pair of Duces was still going to have a hard time against a full house. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 10:31:00 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 10:37:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67693 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 18:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 18:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 18:37:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 18:37:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:37:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1313 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Advocacy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Apparently you forgot about your filing with the FCC against IBOC > operations. So what? It's not like what I filed is going to make any difference. IBOC has been tentatively approved only because iBiquity and its supporters have the big bucks, and IBOC's many opponents don't. If IBOC had been a non-corporate development, then the FCC, NAB, and NRSC wouldn't even give it a second glance. > I'm sure you will still pontificate on "the evils of IBOC" as you > see them. As I am entitled to, just as you and Mr. Ray have been outspoken about the benefits of IBOC, as you see them.... such as the fact that it will eliminate a station's secondary coverage areas on both AM and FM, which is a "benefit" to corporate-owned major-market stations, at it will help to reduce their competition. > Which from your viewpoint is distorted, ill-informed, and completly > inaccurate. Some people like IBOC. Some people hate it. Many people don't care either way. All of these views are equally welcome to be expressed here and in The IBOC Forum, regardless of what you may personally believe. > Therefore worthless. No members and no viewpoints are worthless here. Some just make more sense than others. Kevin T. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ibocforum From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Feb 16 10:49:21 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 10:52:45 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 10:56:48 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Feb 16 11:01:10 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 11:01:43 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Feb 16 11:05:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68458 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 19:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 19:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 19:05:38 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040216190536.JFSS9536.fed1mtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:05:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:05:36 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040216135454.02f5a008@pop.GameBox.net> Message-Id: <1A68287A-60B3-11D8-A841-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.126 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} This is quite sad. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The volume of mail was temporarily a bit overwhelming, but within the=20 fighting, I think I learned a lot more about the technical issues for=20 radio. Richard On Monday, February 16, 2004, at 11:00 AM, John Holcomb II wrote: > I told ya people were leavin'. Now you've seen like three=A0 all ready. > *sigh* I knew it was bound to happen=A0 sooner or later. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Feb 16 11:06:46 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Feb 16 11:08:56 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 11:13:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70158 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 19:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 19:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 19:13:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 19:13:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:13:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 618 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is something that I can't buy. I don't see how a lower bit rate > AM will sound as good and be on a parity with a higher FM BCB bit > rate. Regardless if IBOC is used or not, AM's largest disparity with FM will remain -- a disparity in programming. Commercial radio has shifted from serving its listeners to serving its advertisers. Many stations don't care if even a single person listens to them, so long as they can make a profit. The longer we are distracted from this problem, the further radio will deteriorate as a whole, regardless of by which technical means it is delivered to the consumer. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 11:18:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27004 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 19:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 19:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 19:18:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 19:18:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:18:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007f01c3f4aa$b388a3c0$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1253 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.214 Subject: Re: My Problem With IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Lehmann" wrote: > I really enjoy DXing FM, and to some extent AM, and I'm afraid that this > IBOC "hash" is going to completely destroy my hobby. Right now, I quite agree, and I'm also a DXer. > The good thing about AM Stereo, is that it does not cause additional > problems in terms of adjacent channel noise. While it's not the best > system, it sure looks at lot better than IBOC to me. And I don't see > what's wrong with FM Stereo either. It sounds better than anything > digital I've ever heard. The DAB system in Canada and the rest of the > world is looking pretty good to me right now, as it does not have any > impact at all on the current broadcast bands. I hope someday in the > future that the US will give up on IBOC, and go DAB. Hey, I can dream. That's the thing about C-QUAM-- It's completely transparent to the end user, and in so doing, it causes no problems or loss of signal. FM stereo DOES take power away from the total FM signal, as it's a greater power distribution over a greater bandwidth (and IBOC only adds to this further), but as the AM stereo signals are co-carrier, there is no real loss of energy, and thus no loss of signal. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 11:25:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93004 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 19:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 19:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 19:24:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20040216192456.32396.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.101.65.191] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:24:56 PST Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:24:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.37 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Advocacy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBOC is AM stereo too!(just a different type). Michael Kerry Richards wrote: This is truly his loss, not anyone elses. Go Figure? Kerry Richards Chief Engineer WOR-AM Buckley Broadcasting Corproation --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 11:26:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38118 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 19:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 19:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 19:26:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 19:26:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:26:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 862 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Announcement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As of March 1, 2004, The AM Stereo Forum will be focused exclusively on the support, advocacy, and preservation of analog AM Stereo. All topics specifically concerning HD Radio and other IBOC digital radio systems (including DRM and CAM-D) should be directed to The IBOC Forum: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ibocforum Certainly, there will be some overlap between these two Forums, at least until the future of HD Radio becomes more definite. However, this change has been in consideration for a long time, and recent events have highlighted the need for a separate Forum dedicated to IBOC. As of yet, no such Forum has existed, hence the creation of the IBOC Forum. All are welcome to participate in this new undertaking, with fresh ideas and open minds. Kevin T. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ibocforum From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Feb 16 11:27:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97688 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 19:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 19:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 19:27:11 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.9f.43c45510 (4254) for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:27:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9f.43c45510.2d62738d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:27:09 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.98 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/16/04 11:30:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, tomray@wor710.com writes: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > >Tom and Kerry wont break your legs and stuff you in some storage > >trunk.....common on what is there to not to want to visit and see? > > > Hey....just because Jimmy may be buried under our tower #2 doesn't > mean we act the same way! > > TR > [nearly sprays the computer monitor with soda] ROFL!!!!!! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 11:29:22 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From atv69nj@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 11:37:15 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Feb 16 11:51:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28819 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 19:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 19:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 19:51:56 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.7a.50f72032 (4254) for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:51:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7a.50f72032.2d627952@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:51:46 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.5 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tom and Kerry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/16/04 11:46:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, tomray@wor710.com writes: > Of course, one of the receiver manufacturers told me the other day > that they have learned a great deal from this first round of > receivers being produced....and stated flat out that the next > generation of receivers would be night and day over the present > ones. They have learned how to negate the effects of certain types > of interference on the IBOC, and have also learned how to make them > more sensitive....so we shall see. We're still in a learning curve > with a young technology.....we've got a long way to go! > I figured and hoped that there would be a solution to negate those effects from IBOC in the analog world....which I would imagion would go to benefit digital recepton as well. Man!,that would be a god send to see that come to pass. Of course I can still hear someone harping [nasally voice spoken from de basement --- Oh my god!,what about all the millions of radios out here today!They will be obsolete and I wont be able to hear that station that isnt protect ....oh my,! I think my chemical balance is becoming unbalanced again...ohohohohohhhooo me!] Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Feb 16 12:01:42 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Feb 16 12:07:54 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Feb 16 12:15:18 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Feb 16 12:30:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9213 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 20:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 20:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 20:30:11 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.11f.2aca9cd6 (4254) for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:30:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <11f.2aca9cd6.2d62824f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:30:07 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.11 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Final Word X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/16/04 12:01:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 tomray@wor710.com writes: > >No... like I said, "by whatever means they choose". But since when=20 > >has WOR been producing stereo audio?=20=20 >=20 >=20 > You didn't say stereo audio. You said AM Stereo. There is a=20 > difference. There are many stations transmitting an AM stereo signal=20 > that are inputting mono audio to the exciter. Same difference here.=20=20 >=20 Yep yep yep! Same difference. Even in analog you have that AM stereo=20 -signal-...but not everything audio wise is stereo all the time...especiall= y on=20 stations like ours that are programed as talk radio.Only the=20 commericals/jinlges/liners/IDs with music beds are stereo here audio wise. Just because you have a pair of audio wires running somewhere doesnt make i= t=20 stereo audio....but in this case,the -signal-,analog and digital is stereo= =20 ready. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------- -----------------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur=20 Radio------------------------------- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 www.qsl.ne= t/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703--145.250/R VHF,440.850/L UHF,29.550/RB VHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ------------------------- * List owner: Group name: Echolink-Open-List=20 Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Echolink-Open-List=20 Group email address: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From krichards@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 12:41:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24905 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 20:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 20:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 20:41:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 20:41:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:41:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1519 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Advocacy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Good reply, I agree with you on your points. Kerry.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Apparently you forgot about your filing with the FCC against IBOC > > operations. > > So what? It's not like what I filed is going to make any difference. > IBOC has been tentatively approved only because iBiquity and its > supporters have the big bucks, and IBOC's many opponents don't. If > IBOC had been a non-corporate development, then the FCC, NAB, and > NRSC wouldn't even give it a second glance. > > > I'm sure you will still pontificate on "the evils of IBOC" as you > > see them. > > As I am entitled to, just as you and Mr. Ray have been outspoken about > the benefits of IBOC, as you see them.... such as the fact that it > will eliminate a station's secondary coverage areas on both AM and FM, > which is a "benefit" to corporate-owned major-market stations, at it > will help to reduce their competition. > > > Which from your viewpoint is distorted, ill-informed, and completly > > inaccurate. > > Some people like IBOC. Some people hate it. Many people don't care > either way. All of these views are equally welcome to be expressed > here and in The IBOC Forum, regardless of what you may personally > believe. > > > Therefore worthless. > > No members and no viewpoints are worthless here. Some just make more > sense than others. > > Kevin T. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ibocforum From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 12:47:42 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Feb 16 12:52:13 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 13:13:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57175 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 21:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 21:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 21:13:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 21:13:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:13:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1005 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.15 Subject: Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics We are all free to disagree with and debate each other's *ideas* and *opinions* in this group, but if you wish to address personal issues concerning a fellow Forum member, then please do so by private e-mail. Personal attacks and personal disagreements amongst Forum members do not belong on this group. This is, and always will be, a Forum in which ALL people interested in AM Stereo are welcome. As our introductory message states, "feel free to speak your mind in The AM Stereo Forum -- the only strict rules are to use common sense and common courtesy." Therefore, I ask all of you to please not let personal vendettas get in the way of this Forum's continued success. No matter how heated our debates may get, this is a discussion group, not a battle ground. Any comments, questions, or criticisms regarding this message may be addressed to me via E-MAIL. Thank you. Kevin T. kevtronics@yahoo.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ibocforum From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 16:04:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93739 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 00:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 00:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 00:04:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 00:04:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 00:04:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 718 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 68.94.78.234 Subject: sony cfs-3000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I realize this isn't the CFS-6000 which DOES have AM Stereo... but, since it looks SO much like the 6000, I'm wondering if it might be an easy conversion for someone on this board. (Maybe it's inner circuitry matches the CFS-6000, and thus there's already a "spot" for the AMS chip???) I e-mailed Chris Cuff earlier today with this item, but, today IS a vacation day for some folks, and so maybe Chris is away from his computer... I haven't heard back from him. In any case, I thought I'd better post this before the auction ends, since the "buy it now" price is $20. If this IS a good conversion, then maybe someone here will benefit from it: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3077439176 From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 16:10:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48797 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 00:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 00:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 00:10:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 00:10:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 00:10:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 347 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Digest Number 1107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Regardless if IBOC is used or not, AM's largest disparity with FM will > remain -- a disparity in programming. > Boy....I'm gonna find a way to take you to NAB in Vegas with me! You've nailed this one.....and I need to nail a few of the tables......... TR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 16:13:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43547 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 00:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 00:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 00:13:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 00:13:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 00:13:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 456 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Announcement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > As of March 1, 2004, The AM Stereo Forum will be focused exclusively > on the support, advocacy, and preservation of analog AM Stereo. > > All topics specifically concerning HD Radio and other IBOC digital > radio systems (including DRM and CAM-D) should be directed to > The IBOC Forum: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ibocforum > Kevin: What an excellent idea. TR From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Feb 16 16:34:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27920 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 00:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 00:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.63) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 00:34:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:34:11 -0800 Received: from 172.139.204.172 by bay7-dav55.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 00:34:11 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040216025837.78015.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:25:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2004 00:34:11.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3657AA0:01C3F4ED] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.63 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.139.204.172] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tubes was: WOR CQuam for overnite backup? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Svetlana had thought about making some 4-400's. I asked them in Email. I wish they would, and when they do, use the old Eimac or RCA design. Kevin in Tampa From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Feb 16 16:46:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52391 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 00:46:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 00:46:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.94) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 00:46:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:46:40 -0800 Received: from 172.139.204.172 by bay7-dav37.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 00:46:40 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:38:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2004 00:46:40.0591 (UTC) FILETIME=[81A485F0:01C3F4EF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.94 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.139.204.172] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Power-Side in NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >What a way to ruin a great transmitter! I agree! I talked a station here in Florida out of putting in Powerside. It just isn't as good as advertised. > > Especially since the connection to the Continental had been botched on that original installation, bypassing the Magniphase VSWR detector. That is NOT very smart! Why on earth did he bypass the VSWR detector? > > transmitter came up into no load. A Doherty amplifier makes a very loud noise and shoots lightning bolts when that condition exists. Not a pretty site....good thing I had the correct color pants on that night. LOL! I bet. One morning a few years ago I had the honor of switching in the old 317 at WESC 660. Rats had built a nest in the Doherty circuit and the power supply. WHen I hit the plates, "BOOOM!" You know what 50,000 Watts does to a rat? LOL Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 16:59:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45298 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 00:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 00:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 00:59:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 00:59:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 00:59:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1012 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.15 Subject: Re: sony cfs-3000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I realize this isn't the CFS-6000 which DOES have AM Stereo... but, > since it looks SO much like the 6000, I'm wondering if it might be > an easy conversion for someone on this board. It probably would make a good conversion to AM Stereo, but there's really no way to tell until you open it up and try. I've even encountered radios of this age whose AM tuner is totally dead for no good reason. Sometimes you get a good one, and sometimes you get a lemon. More interesting, I think, would be to find a boom-box of this era with Shortwave and possibly even Longwave bands. There were quite a few of these made in the '80s and on many, the reception is actually quite good. Here is a web page featuring some of the more interesting models: http://pocketcalculatorshow.com/boombox/golden1.html And here's one model that I picked up at a hamfest for $25, in perfect cosmetic and functional condition. Those are 6-1/2" woofers! http://pocketcalculatorshow.com/boombox/graphics/sanyo-m9935k.jpg From joeywkay@aol.com Mon Feb 16 17:12:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JoeywKay@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55960 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 01:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 01:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 01:12:16 -0000 Received: from JoeywKay@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.e6.479b078f (25914) for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:12:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:12:09 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6021 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.9 From: joeywkay@aol.com Subject: Lurker X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=9125596 X-Yahoo-Profile: jwk_alk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, my name is Joey. I have been lurking for a long time on the list, and have even learned some things during the past couple of weeks. I don't have anything note-worthy to add, so I don't usually post. I am blessed to live fairly close to Birmingham, Al. where there are 3 stations currently broadcasting in AM Stereo. I do have a question though. After the evening power-down I am far enough away that I get exactly "0" AM radio stations on groundwave, locally. The closest station that I can get on AM is WSM, in Nashville. I get very poor coverage from Atlanta. The question? When/If AM goes all digital, will I be left in the cold as far as AM radio is concerned in the evening? Thanks, and I enjoy the "Daily Digest". Joey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Mon Feb 16 17:19:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8683 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 01:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 01:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 01:19:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 01:19:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 01:19:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9f.43c45510.2d62738d@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1426 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 2/16/04 11:30:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, > tomray@w... writes: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > >Tom and Kerry wont break your legs and stuff you in some storage > > >trunk.....common on what is there to not to want to visit and see? > > > > > > Hey....just because Jimmy may be buried under our tower #2 doesn't > > mean we act the same way! > > > > TR > > > > [nearly sprays the computer monitor with soda] ROFL!!!!!! > You laugh. A few years ago, we were having some work done on a tower (it was #2) around Halloween....so I stopped at the Halloween store on my way to the site and bought one of those hands that you hang out the trunk of your car. Then I buried it near the base of T2 with part of the hand showing.....but not where it was readily seeable. The tower crew shows up....while they're getting ready I said, "Oh, [expletive]!", and grabbed a shovel and headed over to where the hand was. One of the guys said, "What's wrong". I replied "Damn Jimmy is coming to the surface again.....I have to rebury him. Guy's dead. You'd think he'd stay down there.". Well, they looked and saw the hand. You never saw three guys turn sheet white so fast in your life! I had to pull the hand out to show them it wasn't real before they would get back out of the truck! TR From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Feb 16 19:05:17 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 22:22:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62813 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 06:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 06:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 06:22:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 06:22:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 06:22:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3885 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.15 Subject: Kahn Cam-D press release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Not new, but I had not seen this write-up before... Company Contact: Leonard R. Kahn, President Kahn Communications Inc. (212) 983-6765 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: New York, N.Y., April 5, 2003 Kahn Communications, Inc. (KCI) announced today the development of new technology that will restore AM Radio Broadcasting to 15 kHz fidelity by use of digital processing. The system, Compatible AM Digital (Cam-D)*, unlike the pending proposal now before the FCC, will not increase adjacent or co-channel interference. Therefore, the system will be able to operate during the nighttime as well as during daytime hours. Furthermore, the system is fully compatible with the over half a billion radios presently used by the American Public every day of the year. Actually, listeners to such existing radios will hear noticeably improved sound. The new system provides 15 kHz stereo fidelity when received by special new receivers, by use of frequency compression and digital transmission and digital reception techniques. One of the main advantages of the Cam-D System is that it can provide improved fading performance over vast distances at night. Accordingly, special emphasis was placed upon convincing Midwestern stations to act as Test Stations. KCI is now negotiating with stations in other regions of the country to test the system in urban areas, where reradiation from large buildings is prevalent, to prove Cam-D's relative insensitivity to reradiation. As of this date, the first stations that have contracted to purchase and install the Cam-D system are located in the states of: Indiana, Michigan, Nebraska, Tennessee, Utah, and Wisconsin. Some of these groups are equipping more than one station in a state. The committed stations range from a 500 watt daytimer, to major 50 kW stations with highly directional antennas. These Test Stations will provide spectrum measurements as well as practical demonstrations that Cam-D does not increase interference with even the first adjacent channel stations, proving its compatibility with present frequency assignments. The tests will also be performed day and night to prove that the system does not degrade station coverage, indeed, increases it. And, finally, these initial tests will prove full compatibility with radios in the hands of the American Public. Listeners will not, in any way, hear degraded sound, but will enjoy the same frequency response broadcasters presently provide their listeners. Special new digitally enhanced radios will be made available in small pre-production sample quantities to demonstrate to Broadcasters and the FCC that Cam-D provides 15 kHz fidelity, night and day, for much of the stations' normal coverage and also that Cam-D provides Slow Speed Data over the full coverage of the Test Stations. The system is based upon a number of L.R. Kahn patents, as well as brand new inventions. A spokesman for KCI, the New York, N.Y. and Carle Place, Long Island firm, stated that its president, L.R. Kahn, acting individually, had filed a Petition for Rule Making on January 24, 2003, requesting the FCC to appoint a Blue Ribbon panel of former FCC Commissioners, etc., to propose revised procedures for evaluating all new technology so as to avoid possible future control of industry FCC Advisory Committees by firms proposing Billion Dollar Rule Making Petitions. The Rule Making also requested a STAY of the present FCC Order on Digital Audio Broadcasting. This Rule Making will not be withdrawn, Kahn stated, but it was recently amended to request the Commission to evaluate and compare the Cam-D System with the presently proposed Hybrid AM DAB system to determine which system will best serve the American Public. # # # # * Cam-D is a trademarked name for Compatible AM Digital technology, as developed and marketed by Kahn Communications Inc. of New York City and Long Island. From dav259@csiro.au Tue Feb 17 00:25:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96268 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 08:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 08:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 08:25:10 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1H8OxKY029043; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:25:01 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:24:59 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn Cam-D press release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Kevin T. wrote: > Not new, but I had not seen this write-up before... [snip] > Kahn Communications, Inc. (KCI) announced today the development of > new technology that will restore AM Radio Broadcasting to 15 kHz > fidelity by use of digital processing. The system, Compatible AM > Digital (Cam-D)*, unlike the pending proposal now before the FCC, > will not increase adjacent or co-channel interference. Therefore, > the system will be able to operate during the nighttime as well as > during daytime hours. OK - so I am the technical dummy here. If FM IBOC is OK at night and AM IBOC isn't - as far as trashing other stations - does AM IBOC (ie. stereo) travel further than FM IBOC? From what I understand AM IBOC reached far away would drop back to analog AM if the signal was too weak. I expect FM IBOC would do the same thing. In relation to analog - how far are AM and FM IBOC digital signals suppose to travel? And I realise that the "reach" argument doesn't hold water in this over-commercialised world. But I'm interested. On another tack ... Why!!!??? has nobody said anything about Toledo John's FCC submission about AMS and IBOC coexisting for 10 years? How many of you really care about AM stereo ... C-quam, IBOC, Eureka, whatever ... ??? [insert answer here] It's all very well to jump ship and join another more "user friendly" group. I'm disappointed with the messages of late. But it's happened before - and realistically will happen again - no matter where we are. Please - you true blue AMS supporters (Aussie expression) - don't drop the ball and run every time the going gets tough. There's lots of egos and agendas going on here (in my view). The AMS Forum is the list where nobody is threatened with being thrown off. I believe that's the way it should be. We all need each other! Well at least AMS advocates do. Ian Melbourne From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 02:19:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74002 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 10:19:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 10:19:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 10:19:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 10:19:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:19:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2291 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.15 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn Cam-D press release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > OK - so I am the technical dummy here. Nobody is a "dummy" here -- and, as my school teachers were fond of saying, the only dumb question is one not asked. > If FM IBOC is OK at night and AM IBOC isn't - as far as trashing > other stations - does AM IBOC (ie. stereo) travel further than FM > IBOC? The digital component of an AM IBOC signal will "travel" just as far as the main analog signal itself does. Whether or not an IBOC receiver would be able to receive a signal in digital mode depends on the overall signal strength, interference level, and propagation conditions -- much the same as how most AM Stereo receivers will determine whether or not it is possible to switch into AM Stereo mode. > From what I understand AM IBOC reached far away would drop back to > analog AM if the signal was too weak. > > I expect FM IBOC would do the same thing. Both true. Digital reception has a higher threshold than analog reception, much like how AM Stereo and FM Stereo have a higher threshold than AM and FM mono. > In relation to analog - how far are AM and FM IBOC digital signals > suppose to travel? IBOC digital mode is supposed to be available to listeners within a station's "primary coverage area" -- which can range from a radius of a few miles for a tiny FM station to more than 100 miles for a large high-power AM station. Digital mode reception beyond this primary coverage area may be possible, but is not guaranteed. > Why!!!??? has nobody said anything about Toledo John's FCC > submission about AMS and IBOC coexisting for 10 years? I did! Please see message number 16380, posted last Friday. Due to the high message volume since then, however, it may have been easy to overlook. You may find it here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/message/16380 > The AMS Forum is the list where nobody is threatened with being > thrown off. I believe that's the way it should be. As co-moderator of this Forum since its creation in October 2001, I have never kicked out a single member, and I intend to maintain that track record. We've had other disagreements here before, but we have all learned from our past mistakes -- myself included -- and after a "cooling off" period, the dedicated AM Stereo supporters have always returned. From dav259@csiro.au Tue Feb 17 02:47:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21599 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 10:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 10:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 10:47:41 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1HAlYKY004723; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:47:37 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:47:34 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum , In-Reply-To: <717033029-1463792126-1076981941@boing.topica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Here we all are X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 So ... Here we all are on Bob's "new" list. Or... Here we all are on KT's old AMS Forum list. There we all were (some of us at the time) on Bryan's list. Then troubled messages reached the list ... and the iaaas list evolved. and it went on and became bigger and bigger. Then it imploded with similar troubles. I didn't want Bryan's list to implode ... Then I didn't want the iaaas list to implode. Now I don't want the AMSF to implode. I know I'm the dickhead from Oz - but why do you people keep destroying the cause? There are so many egos (and agendas) involved. The AMS Forum (which is far from perfect) is "our" current outlet for expressing our hope for AMS to continue. I am disappointed with Chris for abandoning yet another list - the way he did when he left the iaaas list. Perhaps Chris you should tell us why ... I reckon Kevin T is doing a good job with our website - and doing a pretty good job running the "list". Nobody's views are being thwarted. And! All AMS views are being heard. From what I see on Bob's "warm and fuzzy" list - "nutcases" won't be permitted. Well - for God's sake Bob! - the world is full of "nut cases" - they're real. And they listen to radio! Some of them are people like me! Those of us on the AMS Forum should (in my view) cop the lastest vents of anger. It's real. And it will happen wherever we go. Let's all fight the good fight. Ian Melbourne From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Feb 17 03:25:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47130 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 11:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 11:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 11:25:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 11:25:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:25:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 873 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: 208.228.96.20 Subject: Re: Here we all are X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Ian- What makes you think I am not here? Why can't I enjoy 2 lists? I have this list set at "No Email" as I have ZERO interest in HD/IBOC and it seems thats all it has been lately. I made my opinions known here and to Radio World (where I was flooded with letters of support from broadcasters that DO NOT want IBOC/HD) HD will die off, as it should, UNLESS all of our previous posts are taken to heart in regards to the aweful programming content now on the air. I continue to support am stereo, and I wish XM and Sirius the best of luck.They are truly grand, and With them, and a return to analog AM, all will be well again. Chris > > Here we all are on Bob's "new" list. >> >> > I am disappointed with Chris for abandoning yet another list - the way he > did when he left the iaaas list. > > Perhaps Chris you should tell us why ... > >>> Ian > Melbourne From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Feb 17 07:32:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87820 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 15:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 15:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 15:32:46 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-68-122-180-12.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [68.122.180.12]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i1HFWk521070; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:32:46 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c3f56a$96d229c0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:27:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: front page X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys WOW the front page looks a lot diffrant. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Feb 17 07:46:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68868 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 15:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 15:46:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 15:46:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 15:46:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:46:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3177 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Phil R" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 Subject: Re: 11101010011011101...... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Yes, I've heard the story about old Jimmy, many long years ago... Seems he and his henchmen went all over Canada and the USA stealing ground radials. They would steal from the 250 watters without nary a burn. Very minor burns from the 1 kilowatters. But Jimmy got braver and more foolhardy. He started raiding the 5 kilowatters, then the 10kwrs plaguing Friendly 58 for months, stealing copper and leaving a muttering CE to silver solder new sections in the next day. Then he journied to Troy Cape Breton in search of that famed 10kwer 'Helen of Troy' a fine transmitter, two lovely little 175 foot 1/4 wave towers [1410]in a land of almost zero ground conductivity. He was lured by the sound of music coming off the coil from each tuning shack. He was enthralled by the flashing flourescent lights nearby which could not be fully turned off because, well the station was maintained by a learned basement dweller. He pulled and he pulled in that rocky alder infested ground, and made his fortune there. With the proceeds of all that copper, he bought a bus ticket to NYC [with some cash left over to stay a few nights at Motel 6]. He proceeded to the WOR transmitter site late one night, but alas twas his final night. Harvesting copper in the very, very near field of a 50killowatter is not the wisest thing to do, but nobody ever said Jimmy was wise. The next day, Tom and Kerry found him, black, blue and green - right at the base of tower number 2. And that, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, is why you should NEVER steal ground radials. Phil R. PEI Canada --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 2/16/04 11:30:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > tomray@w... writes: > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > > >Tom and Kerry wont break your legs and stuff you in some storage > > > >trunk.....common on what is there to not to want to visit and > see? > > > > > > > > > Hey....just because Jimmy may be buried under our tower #2 > doesn't > > > mean we act the same way! > > > > > > TR > > > > > > > [nearly sprays the computer monitor with soda] ROFL!!!!!! > > > > You laugh. A few years ago, we were having some work done on a tower > (it was #2) around Halloween....so I stopped at the Halloween store > on my way to the site and bought one of those hands that you hang out > the trunk of your car. Then I buried it near the base of T2 with > part of the hand showing.....but not where it was readily seeable. > > The tower crew shows up....while they're getting ready I said, "Oh, > [expletive]!", and grabbed a shovel and headed over to where the hand > was. One of the guys said, "What's wrong". I replied "Damn Jimmy is > coming to the surface again.....I have to rebury him. Guy's dead. > You'd think he'd stay down there.". Well, they looked and saw the > hand. You never saw three guys turn sheet white so fast in your > life! I had to pull the hand out to show them it wasn't real before > they would get back out of the truck! > > TR From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 09:24:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22893 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 17:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 17:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 17:24:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 17:24:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:24:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c3f56a$96d229c0$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 158 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 68.93.62.253 Subject: Re: front page X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Yeah, the new AMStereoRadio.com Front Page looks GREAT. Is Kevtronics the designer??? << Hi Guys WOW the front page looks a lot different. Jim Smith >> From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 17 09:37:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96416 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 17:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 17:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 17:37:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 17:37:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:37:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1666 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.12.229 Subject: Re: Tom and Kerry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: > > Hi Well far as i can tell by what you are saying that you signal > is > > just under a 100 miles and in a patteran. But KFRC'S analog sinal > is > > non di. and is only 5kw and i am at about the 100 miles mark and i > > have herd them well up in to and over the serria moutions 7,000ft + > > wich is all east of me. Do you think a 5 kw Iboc signal can do the > > the same thing. > > > Jim: > > I doubt that a 5KW station will produce an IBOC signal that far from > the transmitter.....but it depends on many factors, one of which is > the ground conductivity. But remember that just because you can hear > an AM station (and that word "hear is subjective, because some people > would consider wht you are hearing as noise) doesn't mean that there > is enough signal level and therefore enough signal stability to > produce the digital output. > > Of course, one of the receiver manufacturers told me the other day > that they have learned a great deal from this first round of > receivers being produced....and stated flat out that the next > generation of receivers would be night and day over the present > ones. They have learned how to negate the effects of certain types > of interference on the IBOC, and have also learned how to make them > more sensitive....so we shall see. We're still in a learning curve > with a young technology.....we've got a long way to go! > > T Hi Tom Thank you for your reply. And all i can say is that time will only tell. jim smith From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 09:55:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86151 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 17:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 17:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 17:55:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 17:55:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:55:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 619 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: front page X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Yeah, the new AMStereoRadio.com Front Page looks GREAT. Is > Kevtronics the designer??? Yours truly. :-) The web site as a whole has gotten rather stale lately, so I'm going through it and tweaking things a bit. But of course it will be more than just a new look... I'll be updating some of the information and write-ups as well. I'm not sure I like the new logo all that much, though... I tried to go for a "When The Sun Sets, AM Stereo Rises" theme -- hinting at its continued use during nighttime hours when IBOC is not allowed -- but it ended up looking more like the logo for NBC's "Today Show". :-) From dougharding@mindspring.com Tue Feb 17 10:29:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16360 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 18:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 18:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 18:29:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 18:29:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:29:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040213200218.034b3e28@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 866 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Re: Argument/IBOC/Anolog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I am glad I live in Miami because it looks like I have two sturdy boat anchors with the brand name of Fanfare if IBOC is adopted by everyone. Speaking of Fanfare has anyone heard what they plan to do with the FTA-100 now that it looks like IBOC has won the day. The big difference between HDTV and IBOC is HDTV does not cause any interference to any existing analog station. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II > Speaking for myself, I can't say how IBOC really sounds. First off WOR is not my format. Second off, I just hope that my Yamaha T-85, SONY SRF-42, Winagard Antenna, and Select-A-Tenna won't be worseliss in a few years. > All together, that's over $1000 that I hope won't be pointlessly spent and put in a trash can. People seem to except HDTV without question, even though you can still get TV's without HD. > From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 11:57:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45894 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 19:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 19:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 19:57:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 19:57:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:57:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 918 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Tom and Kerry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > I doubt that a 5KW station will produce an IBOC signal that far > from > > the transmitter.....but it depends on many factors, one of which is > > the ground conductivity. But remember that just because you can > hear > > an AM station (and that word "hear is subjective, because some > people > > would consider wht you are hearing as noise) doesn't mean that > there > > is enough signal level and therefore enough signal stability to > > produce the digital output. > > my definition of how far away I can "hear" an AM station extends about to where a Sony SRF-42 stops trying to decode the analog stereo signal (i.e. where the separation in the background noise disappears.) Based on my experience, that is quite a weak signal - it doesn't take much less to not be able to tell that there's even a station on that frequency. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 12:17:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41034 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 20:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 20:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 20:17:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 20:17:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:17:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: sony cfs-3000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Unfortunately, none of the jpegs will load on this boombox site... I guess they've been removed. The text is still there... <<>> From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 15:06:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77336 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 23:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 23:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 23:06:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 23:06:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:06:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 67 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Pic of Visteon HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Just an FYI... http://visteon.wieck.com/image_database/2PV_000575 From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Feb 17 15:10:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42741 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 23:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 23:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 23:10:43 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1HN8i8X039338 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:08:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <40329D43.5060202@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:01:23 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pic of Visteon HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Looks to big to fit into My Cars Dashboard... LOL Douglas B. wrote: >Just an FYI... > >http://visteon.wieck.com/image_database/2PV_000575 > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Feb 17 15:56:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5866 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 23:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 23:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 23:56:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:56:25 -0800 Received: from 216.120.170.5 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:56:25 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:56:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2004 23:56:25.0928 (UTC) FILETIME=[A72D3480:01C3F5B1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.101 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [216.120.170.5] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pic of Visteon HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Nothing a sabre saw couldn't handle!!! That's what I did to install a double-DIN in my '97 Ford F-350. Paul Crane >From: Neal Newman >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pic of Visteon HD Radio >Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:01:23 -0500 > >Looks to big to fit into My Cars Dashboard... LOL > >Douglas B. wrote: > > >Just an FYI... > > > >http://visteon.wieck.com/image_database/2PV_000575 > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great U.S. locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 16:01:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36941 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 00:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 00:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 00:01:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2004 00:01:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:01:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 293 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.3 Subject: Re: sony cfs-3000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Unfortunately, none of the jpegs will load on this boombox site... > I guess they've been removed. The text is still there... Yikes, you're right! They were working just yesterday, but now Netscape shows them all as "torn photos". Perhaps it's a temporary server glitch or something. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 16:18:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84703 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 00:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 00:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 00:18:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2004 00:18:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:18:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1540 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.3 Subject: Re: Pic of Visteon HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Nothing a sabre saw couldn't handle!!! That's what I did to > install a double-DIN in my '97 Ford F-350. With the proliferation of in-dash CD changers, a lot of automakers are starting to design dashboards with room to fit a double-DIN size radio. Also, on some cars, like 1999-2001 VWs, you might see a single-DIN radio with a cubbyhole above or below it. If you take out the cubbyhole, there is room to fit a double-DIN radio. VW did exactly that in 2002, and since then most of their radios have been double- DIN. And speaking of which, those newer double-DIN VW radios actually use a DSP-based tuner, similar to Blaupunkt's DigiCeiver and Visteon's own DSP-based design. The AM is not stereo, but its audio response is flat to 6 kHz, so it has surprisingly good mid-range clarity. The downside, though, is that it drops off like a brick wall above 6 kHz, so you don't get the high-end crispness of a wideband receiver. Still, it's much better than the < 3 kHz mud that you normally get from OEM car radios these days. Its _FM_ tuner sounds strangely dull on the high end, though, as if they chop off everything above 12 kHz. You can turn the Treble knob all the way up, but it still doesn't bring out the high-end "sizzle" that you normally get from FM. Also, there's no Stereo indicator at all, although it is pretty good at staying in stereo mode on weaker FM signals. p.s. Volkswagen just announced that they will be offering Sirius on their 2005 model year radios -- no word (yet) about HD Radio. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 16:35:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98341 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 00:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 00:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 00:35:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20040218003501.78621.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.133] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:35:01 PST Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:35:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.46 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pic of Visteon HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Theres this one of it too linked via the WOR710 site. http://www.visteon.com/technology/automotive/hdradio.shtml Michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Feb 17 16:43:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98986 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 00:43:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 00:43:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 00:43:35 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1I0hYYD010036 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:43:34 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1I0hZBW014917 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:43:35 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1I0hZw8014910 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:43:35 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <182GTMH2>; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:43:34 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDAF2@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:43:31 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Pic of Visteon HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 The Eurovox CD/Tuner that came standard in my 99 VW Polo is nice - it has a local button which widens the audio bandwidth in AM and FM when selected. I think it must go out to around 7-8khz on AM - quite crisp. Amazing high end on FM - it is a split system with a woofer in each door and smaller dash mounted speakers which take care of the high end (probably 500hz-20khz) The audio frankly sounds better than my system at home (probably the small size of the car helps to solidify the sound) No AMS unfortunately - may be convertible. I will write down the model number and see if I can peek inside when I have it out of the dash. And don't get me started on Fuba "Active" antennas that VW and a lot of European manufacturers are now using: http://www.corrado-club.com/aktiv/Fuba.cfm I've been having trouble with engine noise, static, whining etc. I think the active amplifier is not connected properly. (I have heard that as the radios can differ in different countries) Have to make some "U" shaped hooks and pull it out for investigation! -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2004 10:18 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Pic of Visteon HD Radio > Nothing a sabre saw couldn't handle!!! That's what I did to > install a double-DIN in my '97 Ford F-350. With the proliferation of in-dash CD changers, a lot of automakers are starting to design dashboards with room to fit a double-DIN size radio. Also, on some cars, like 1999-2001 VWs, you might see a single-DIN radio with a cubbyhole above or below it. If you take out the cubbyhole, there is room to fit a double-DIN radio. VW did exactly that in 2002, and since then most of their radios have been double- DIN. From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Feb 17 17:58:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6420 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 01:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 01:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.116) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 01:58:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:58:37 -0800 Received: from 172.170.12.94 by bay7-dav12.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 01:58:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040216083832.85642.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:49:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2004 01:58:37.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[B914BB30:01C3F5C2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.116 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.170.12.94] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KTWO AM 1030 Casper Wy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > Whatever happened to the magic of driving down the freeway on a moonlit night, jamming to some great sing-along songs on the radio for hundreds of miles? Hmm, that sounds like a PERFECT Date! LOL Anyway, Dave Nemo formerly the DJ of WWL's "Road Gang" moved to the trucker channel on XM, CHWO is KILLED by QRM, and consultants have ruined the rest of the SkyWave AM Stereo music :-( If I could have my choice of any one AM Stereo music station back, I would want "The Rock Of Chicago" WLS 890 on my radio again. WOWO 1190 would be my second choice. Others in the running would be WNBC 660, WABC 770, WCFL 1000, WAPE 690......or bring back "SuperPower" KUSW-WorldWide on Shortwave. I sure miss Rock 'N' Roll AM Radio! Kevin in Tampa....listening to the ONLY station I have found in Florida with halfway decent audio...WSJT 94.1 From tomray@wor710.com Tue Feb 17 18:30:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44474 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 02:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 02:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 02:30:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2004 02:30:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:30:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 326 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Argument/IBOC/Anolog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > > The big difference between HDTV and IBOC is HDTV does not cause any > interference to any existing analog station. > Actually, the bigger difference is that IBOC won't make your present analog radio obsolete on January 1, 2007. > > From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 19:06:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77751 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 03:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 03:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 03:06:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2004 03:06:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 03:06:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1235 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: which AM St digitally tuned walkman < $50 can..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key at night light the tuning indicator on every single spot on the dial even if it has a high threshold for lighting the tuning indicator (for example, a station with only a little bit of noise, for example, in the daytime being 75 miles away from an omnidirectional 50kW station on 540 with a ground conductivity of 30 will not light the tuning indicator)? (this assumes the radio has good enough selectivity so that even if you're standing right next to a 50kW transmitter on, say, 750, you won't hear the station on 740 or 760 (although I don't expect quite that good of selectivity, but I DO want it so that at the next /10kHz step above the frequency response, the signal level is down by 80dB or more, preferably (for example, if frequency response goes up to 8KHz (-3dB), then at 10kHz it will be down >-80dB, and if it goes up to 16KHz it will be down >-80dB at 20kHz. What's the closest I could get to something like that? I have yet to see any AM radio with a bandwidth selector that, for example, I tune to a station on, say, 1130kHz, while indicating 1150, and in wideband mode 1130 splatters badly on 1150, but in narrowband mode there is no trace of 1130 on 1150, and only a weak splatter on 1140 or even nothing at all. From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 19:42:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11271 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 03:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 03:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 03:42:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20040218034240.24200.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.107] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:42:40 PST Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:42:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Argument/IBOC/Anolog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > "douglasharding" > wrote: > > > > > The big difference between HDTV and IBOC is HDTV > does not cause any > > interference to any existing analog station. In some cases this is not so. The FCC put some HDTV signals on the same channel as an analog one in cities way too close... > Actually, the bigger difference is that IBOC won't > make your present > analog radio obsolete on January 1, 2007. Just range reduced to nothing and sound like a old 1939 302 set with an old carbon mike..... ]:> Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 20:34:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51336 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 04:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 04:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 04:34:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2004 04:34:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 04:34:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 528 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.3 Subject: How does it look to you? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If you liked the way the AM Stereo web site looked before, then sorry, because I've given its main page a much-needed redesign -- and a new logo to match! http://www.amstereoradio.com/ It now abides by the "KISS" principle -- Keep It Simple, Stupid... no more flashing lights and spacey backgrounds; just a clean, stylish "main menu". I kinda miss the photos, but I tried to make it so that everything will fit on a single screen (and it should, if you are using 800x600 resolution or higher). Let me know what you think! From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Feb 17 22:25:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15976 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 06:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 06:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 06:25:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2004 06:25:26 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17890 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 06:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 06:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 06:11:37 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.78.50b591f1 (4426) for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 01:11:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <78.50b591f1.2d645c15@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 01:11:33 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.102 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tours of a lifetime X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Feb 2004 06:25:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 Most of the station tours I've been on were studio tours. The largest studio facility I ever toured was White Columns in Atlanta, home to WSB (AM/FM/TV) and Cox Broadcasting. The first time I went through the station was in 1989, while I was pursuing the purchase of an AM radio station for conversion to Stereo. The second time was in 1991, during their annual "Open House", where listeners and viewers can meet their favorite personalities (they had to get a ticket for it, however). The time I went, I got to meet Atlanta's only full-time radio meteorologist, Kirk Mellish (which is how the real spelling of his name, Melhuish, is pronounced). Also included were WSB-FM's morning man at the time, Dale O'Brien; Gary McKee's sidekick on the AM at the time, Sandy Garfield, WSB-TV's then-Consumer Reporter, Bebe Emerman (famous for the "Don't You Just Hate It?" segment, which consisted of mainly everyday questions about stuff consumers hated about certain products, and "Junque Mail" Awards for the most insipid junk mail of the week), and one of their top anchors at the time, Don Farmer, famous for covering the Richard Speck trial for ABC in 1967; he was also ABC's Southeast Bureau Chief before going on to CNN 1980 and then to WSB-TV in the mid-1980s. Monica Kaufman was the other top anchor at the time. That was before WSB-TV started raiding WAGA (now Fox 5) for talent. I've also toured the studios of an AM Stereo combo: KJSL 630 and KSTL 690. Their studio facility is located in Creve Coeur, and is linked by ISDN lines to the transmitter sites in East St. Louis. Other studios I've toured included WRTH 1430/WIL 92.3/KIHT 96.3 and KXOK 97.1 (now KFTK) in 1995, WKKX 106.5 (now WSSM) in 1994, and a station that would later become my employer, WFUN-FM 95.5, in 1995 (I was hired there as a studio engineer and staff announcer in 1997). Of all the studios I've worked in, I would say that the WGNU 920 studios were a real throwback when I worked there in 1996. The Harris board (rotary knobs to adjust modulation coming from program sources) had to be out of the 1960s; it was a Stereo board they used when they had an FM station. The seven-second delay looked like it was from the 1970s. Even the turntables looked like '70s-vintage machines. The cart machines looked early-1980s to me. The CD players were the only ones of '90s vintage in the place, along with the remote control unit (used to switch from the 450-watt day pattern to the 500-watt night pattern). All of this was hewn into a former hotel suite across the hall from the owner's apartment. The station has since bought a new board, and switched their commercials from carts to mini-discs. Another station I worked at was WFTD (1080 AM) in Marietta. When Roswell Street Baptist Church owned the station, the studio equipment was another time warp. The McMartin mixers (five-channel models) were out of the 1970s, along with the triple cart deck, open-reel tape players and modulation monitor. The remote control unit was out of the 1960s. The station also had some 1950s-era open-reel players installed in the production room. The station did invest in new equipment; a telco unit was added in 1989 for the "Open Forum" talk show with the church's then-pastor, Dr. Nelson Price and subsequent sports coverage (the station carried Georgia Southern football that year); a Harris DX-10 went online in January 1991 to replace a 1965-vintage Western Electric transmitter they called "Old Sparky" in regular use (the old transmitter became a backup), and new turntables for local programming in 1991, to augment weekend programming via Skylight Radio Network (with which our own Scott Todd may be familiar). WFTD tried to get AM Stereo in the place, but couldn't raise enough money for it. The public radio station I currently work for has a 1980s-vintage Wheatstone board in the main studio, with a 1980s-vintage Ramko Research board in the news booth. A new board was installed in the production room in the late 1990s. The Denon CD players are mid-1990s vintage, the cart machines are 1980s-vintage, as well as a computer with OpLog installed (upgraded from QuikPix), allowing the station to be automated during hours a live DJ isn't on the air (9:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. local time). Although computers have their place, I don't think they should be running radio programming 24/7. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Feb 17 22:34:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9852 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 06:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 06:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 06:34:07 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040218063408.DHXF29509.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 01:34:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:34:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <72D48AB1-61DC-11D8-A47F-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.241 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Carver photo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner You know, I noticed that the Carver TX-11a/b photo on the AM stereo web page is on FM! We'll have to fix that. kevin: want a new photo? Richard From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 23:40:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95931 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 07:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 07:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 07:40:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2004 07:39:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:39:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 76 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: comparison of SRF-A300, SRF-AX15, SRF-AX51V? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key how does the sensitivity, selectivity, and audio response compare on these? From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Feb 18 01:51:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92825 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 09:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 09:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 09:51:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2004 09:51:03 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30852 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 07:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 07:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 07:28:42 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.28.43b9d0d1 (3858) for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:28:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <28.43b9d0d1.2d646e27@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:28:39 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.35 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: The AM Stereo Situation in Missouri and Illinois X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Feb 2004 09:51:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 Here in the St. Louis area, we have the distinction of enjoying four AM Stereo radio stations at night, and three during the day. The oldest currently in operation in this market is AM Stereo 1490 WESL, which has been broadcasting a Classic R&B format six days a week, and Urban Gospel on Sundays, since the late 1990s. The station was a full-time Urban Gospel station under the ownership of Willis Broadcasting, and before that, another run with Classic R&B. WESL has been on the air since 1972; the former occupants of this frequency included WAMV and WTMV. KJSL 630 has been broadcasting in full AM Stereo since Crawford acquired the station from the Frischling family in 1994. Although it is mostly Christian and conservative talk, some Christian music programs are broadcast. The station had been testing the C-QUAM pilot (as KXOK) prior to Crawford's acquisition, especially during their second tour of duty as a Top 40 station in 1987-88. The station had several owners prior to Crawford: before the Frischlings acquired the station (and then-sister station KLTH 97.1, now KFTK), the station was owned by St. Louis-based Chester Broadcasting Company, headed by businessman Emmett Capstick (then-owner of the riverboat S.S. President), and later, Pittsburgh businessman John Connolly, from 1985 to 1989. Before Chester Broadcasting acquired the station, it was one of the last properties owned by Storz Broadcasting Company. Storz had planned KXOK to be the first AM Stereo station in St. Louis; the station flipped to talk before it could happen (thus, giving that distinction to WESL and KSD 550, now KTRS). KSTL 690 announces it's city of license as East St. Louis, IL, although it is still listed in most references as St. Louis, MO. The station flipped from an Ethnic/Variety format to Urban Gospel when Crawford acquired the station from local owners in 1994. The station went AM Stereo in January 1995. They have been broadcasting Urban Gospel music and Christian teaching ever since. KSTL even broadcasts in Stereo on it's 18-watt nighttime power (which can be heard up to 20 miles away). KXEN 1010 is the newest AM Stereo station in town, although it only does it on their 500-watt nighttime array. Although it is licensed to Festus, MO, the station's transmitter is 40 miles away in Mitchell, IL. The station went Stereo in 1998, coupled with the initiation of Spanish-language nighttime programming. The Spanish was dropped in 2000 for Contemporary Christian music in the evening hours and Christian teaching overnights. The daytime transmitter (a Harris MW-50) has not been converted for AM Stereo. Ironically, I tried to buy this station (along with three other colleagues) fifteen years ago to bring AM Stereo radio service to northern St. Louis County (changing the city of license to Hazelwood, MO in the process). The losses in the number of AM Stereo stations have paled in comparision: KFNS 590 last used it's Stereo exciter in 1997 for St. Louis Rams broadcasts (then simulcast on KSD 93.7, when both were owned by American Radio Systems). 590 went Stereo in 1990 (after the station flipped from Business News as WCEO to Easy Listening as KEZK). KTRS 550 transmitted the pilot only for three years after the station was acquired by The Dorsey Group, then switched it off forever three years ago. 550 transmitted in Stereo for fourteen years prior; most of that time as a Country station. The station had Stereo sweepers in local inserts when it was an all-News station (1993-95) and ran ABC's Adult Standards format (1995-97) in Stereo. KMOX 1120 switched the Stereo off in 2000 for no reason. They still have four hours a week of music (hosted by local attorney and Jazz aficionado Don Wolff). When the station went Stereo in 1988, KMOX had music in the overnight time slot seven days a week (mainly Adult Standards), hosted by Tony Oren, and later, Ralph Graczak, Jr. While AM Stereo is pretty much alive and well in St. Louis, there are some stations that can still use a C-QUAM conversion. One is WRTH 1430, which broadcasts a '50s and '60s Oldies format. Bonneville owns this station, however (I don't know how many of Bonneville's AM stations still broadcast in Stereo; I know flagship KSL 1160 Salt Lake City no longer does). KSIV 1320 could also benefit, as their satellite feed is in Stereo (separate spots are used on 1320 and the FM on 91.5). Another one that could benefit is the Radio Disney outlet, WSDZ 1260. I have thought about either building or acquiring a smaller station in the market; if it's an AM, Stereo conversion would be a top priority. For one thing, the St. Louis market could support adding an AM at 660 west of downtown St. Louis with 10 kW day/1 kW night or less. On FM, the market could support adding 107.1 west-northwest of town with Class A facilities at the old 3 kW limit. Problem is getting investors interested in community-oriented radio and in AM Stereo. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 IBOC SUCKS...AM and FM Radio MUST REMAIN ANALOG ONLY! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Feb 18 01:51:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95999 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 09:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 09:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 09:51:27 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2004 09:51:23 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39907 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 07:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 07:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 07:28:52 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.cd.5853305 (3858) for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:28:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:28:41 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.100 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: (Somewhat OT) Low Opinions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Feb 2004 09:51:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 I, for one, am also tired of the IBOC vs. C-QUAM chatter. I'm also tired of Tom and Kerry's insipid, corporate-inspired hyperbole. This not only further reinforces my low opinion of IBOC-DAB, but also my low opinion of corporate radio in general. This is one person who has been treated badly by corporate radio, and not just for the idea that radio is not only a business, but also a community service. As a former on-air talent in commercial radio, I've learned to play the radio game by the FCC's rules and regulations. For one thing, I have ZERO TOLERANCE for "shock jocks". I also refuse to be one. I have no desire to be the "next Howard Stern", the only person I can be is myself. I also have ZERO TOLERANCE for engineers who support IBOC (I would never hire an IBOC supporter if I ran a radio station; I would rather have an engineer who can work with C-QUAM supporters). Another thing I have ZERO TOLERANCE for is bringing in almost all on-air talent from outside the market, when those from within the market can do an equal or better job at a fraction of the salary. But, I do have a high opinion for AM Stereo...this technology (along with FM Stereo) is already capable of CD-quality sound (as I have stated time and time again). Therefore, there is no need for IBOC-DAB (and no market for it). If I owned a group of AM stations, they would all be C-QUAM...no mono stations, regardless of format. The idea here is to improve on a proven technology by using receivers featuring DSP technology, not go for a technology that is incompatible with our current receivers, such as IBOC-DAB and DRM. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 IBOC SUCKS...AM and FM Radio MUST REMAIN ANALOG ONLY! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 01:51:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96055 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 09:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 09:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 09:51:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2004 09:50:49 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72128 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 07:28:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 07:28:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 07:28:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2004 07:28:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:28:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 187 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.253 Subject: Re: How does it look to you? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Feb 2004 09:50:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 All I'll say is that the current logo is the best of all AM stereo logos over the years, in my opinion. I won't get into the spottiness of AMS history there, though. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 11:11:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36356 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 19:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 19:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 19:11:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2004 19:11:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:11:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 917 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: AM station C.P. on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics A Construction Permit for a small AM station in Connecticut is up for bid on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3079047196 The license is for 500 watts daytime / 300 watts nighttime on 1590 kHz, which isn't much -- the solid daytime coverage radius might be 10 miles, at best. It's basically a re-allocation of 1590 WQQW, a Waterbury, CT station that went dark years ago and then had its license bought out by neighboring 1600 WWRL so that WWRL could upgrade their daytime signal to 25,000 watts. As much as I love small AM stations, I think this one should not be built. The signal is too limited to make it viable for any locally produced format, so if it does get built, it'll probably end up as another useless ESPN Radio or time-brokered station cluttering up the band -- and needless to say, if WWRL ever decided to use IBOC, then its signal would be completely clobbered. From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Feb 18 14:00:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18253 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 22:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2004 22:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 22:00:32 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.9]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:08:41 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01c3f66a$5f2c2240$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:58:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: old FM decoder? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Who was looking for stereo decoders for old FM mono tube amps? I have a few of the older KEMO kits that were made in Germany for this purpose. They work very well, but are IC operated. about the size of my am stereo decoder. If anyone needs one, contact me. Chris From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 17:36:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94916 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 01:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2004 01:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 01:36:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2004 01:36:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:36:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 682 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.11 Subject: Sansui & JVC receivers: AM Stereo, or not? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Anybody know if this Sansui model actually has AM Stereo, as the eBay listing indicates? The Z-9000X is not on our list of AM Stereo receivers yet, but it does look to be from the same mid-'80s era as Sansui's other high-end receivers with multi-system AM Stereo: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3077438083 Meanwhile, I think this JVC is an impostor... the auction page proclaims it as a "rare AM Stereo receiver", but aside from the ambiguous label "FM/AM Stereo", I can't find any evidence of that -- there doesn't appear to be any kind of manual mono/stereo mode button, not even for FM: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3078996129 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 17:52:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15748 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 01:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2004 01:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 01:52:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2004 01:51:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:51:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.11 Subject: Z-Rock X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Definitely one of the more interesting AM Stereo-related items I've seen on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3387549421 BTW, New York City's former Z-Rock affiliate still bears the legacy of this long-gone format -- its call letters remain WZRC. My vague memories of hearing Z-Rock on this station include heavy-metal music and liners like "Who needs FM?". From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 18:45:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88290 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 02:45:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2004 02:45:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 02:45:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2004 02:45:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:45:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 593 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 68.88.131.45 Subject: Re: Z-Rock X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Mornings with Maxx Hammer, I believe. Z-Rock was carried by an FM station in Dallas back in the late 80's. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Definitely one of the more interesting AM Stereo-related items I've > seen on eBay: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3387549421 > > BTW, New York City's former Z-Rock affiliate still bears the legacy > of this long-gone format -- its call letters remain WZRC. My vague > memories of hearing Z-Rock on this station include heavy-metal music > and liners like "Who needs FM?". From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Feb 18 18:58:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36046 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 02:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2004 02:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 02:58:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:58:42 -0800 Received: from 172.160.153.58 by bay7-dav52.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:58:42 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040218034240.24200.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:50:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2004 02:58:42.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[485E7B10:01C3F694] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.10.41 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.160.153.58] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Argument/IBOC/Anolog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Just range reduced to nothing and sound like a old 1939 302 set with an old carbon mike..... I just happen to own a late 1930s vintage RCA "Super Brain" console radio that I will put the audio up against ANY AM radio made in the past 20 years! You can REALLY hear the difference when tuning accross a non-NRSC complient station! Kevin in Tampa From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Feb 18 19:20:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20447 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 03:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2004 03:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 03:20:25 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i1J3KN6S061554 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:20:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001801c3f697$504a7f60$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:20:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station C.P. on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > As much as I love small AM stations, I think this one should not be > built. The signal is too limited to make it viable for any locally > produced format, so if it does get built, it'll probably end up as > another useless ESPN Radio or time-brokered station cluttering up the > band -- and needless to say, if WWRL ever decided to use IBOC, then > its signal would be completely clobbered. I agree... Not to mention that the owner of the CP is going to be asking too much. I would imagine the reserve for this auction is $500,000 since he is quoting the price of WNTY (a daytimer) at $850,000, as if this stations would be worth more. In fact, the station that sold for $850,000 was a daytimer but they were 2500 watts days and 79 watts nights, and the night pattern (a different pattern for a class D at night is very unusual, but that's what the FCC database says) put the equivalent of over 400 watts over the city of license and the frequency is a mid-band regional frequency (990 kHz). If this CP goes for more than $100,000 is too much. By the time you build the transmitter facilities and a modestly-equipped studio, you will have a minimum of $400,000 (before the license) invested. As you state Kevin, they won't be able to afford to staff it properly so you know it will end up as an ESPN station with no audience. In fact I wouldn't buy a CP for a 500/300 DAU station on 1590 at any price, regardless of location. I'm sure the CP holder in Puerto Rico has realized what you & I know.. a stand-alone 500 watt AM in Oakville, Connecticut doesn't stand a chance of making money. Plus.. The FCC database shows the CP as a 3 tower array with 250 watts nights and 2 towers with 500 watts days (a very tight pattern for a 2 tower array). From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Feb 18 19:48:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25265 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 03:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2004 03:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 03:48:55 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1J3kt8X065799 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:46:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <40342FF6.9040308@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:39:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station C.P. on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Same guy tried to Unload it last year I think the CP is almost up... 3 tower directional WWWN... Yep He is asking to Much for it... However I do own 2 tower insulators. and a Bunch of Rohn 25 sections..( was going to Build My 160 meter vertical array) I also have a few AM transmitters... they have a Choice of an RCA BTA-500R BTA 1R1 Or a gates BC-1h1 I even have Enough gear to build a studio.. all you need to do is buy the CP. Buy the land and Get the Permits For putting up the Towers On the land.. Anyone have a Camper we can use for a studio Building on the site .... LOL willing to Go partners with whoever gets it... Any Takers... Neal-CE WTTM,WUPC,WYGG,W220AA Kevin T. wrote: >A Construction Permit for a small AM station in Connecticut is up for >bid on eBay: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3079047196 > >The license is for 500 watts daytime / 300 watts nighttime on >1590 kHz, which isn't much -- the solid daytime coverage radius might >be 10 miles, at best. > >It's basically a re-allocation of 1590 WQQW, a Waterbury, CT station >that went dark years ago and then had its license bought out by >neighboring 1600 WWRL so that WWRL could upgrade their daytime signal >to 25,000 watts. > >As much as I love small AM stations, I think this one should not be >built. The signal is too limited to make it viable for any locally >produced format, so if it does get built, it'll probably end up as >another useless ESPN Radio or time-brokered station cluttering up the >band -- and needless to say, if WWRL ever decided to use IBOC, then >its signal would be completely clobbered. > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 20:06:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55378 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 04:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2004 04:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 04:06:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2004 04:06:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 04:06:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001801c3f697$504a7f60$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1587 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.11 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station C.P. on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > In fact I wouldn't buy a CP for a 500/300 DAU station on 1590 at > any price, regardless of location. Here in central NJ we had 1590 WERA with 500 watts day/night with a peanut-shaped signal pattern. It went on the air in the early '60s and was a nice full-service station for most of its existence. But in early 1997 they were bought out and taken dark to make way for 1600 WWRL's signal upgrade. However, by that time, WERA was getting unprofitable enough, and its antiquated '60s equipment was not being replaced, that it probably would've gone dark sooner or later anyway. WERA's three towers and transmitter shack are still standing, but the whole site is now overgrown with weeds and vines. However, that didn't stop a local Spanish language pirate station from hooking up a small transmitter to one of the towers and using it to put out a surprisingly good signal on 1620 AM! p.s. 1590 WERA also remains in my memory as a station that constantly claimed to be "AM STEREO!!" in the late '80s, but NEVER transmitted any kind of actual stereo signal -- it was all a hoax! I personally was fooled; for years, I wanted to get an AM Stereo receiver, just to hear WERA in stereo, as they claimed. But when I finally did, they were plain mono, and no longer claimed to be stereo. This was in 1995, so I thought they might've been a Kahn station that had to revert to mono when C-Quam became the standard -- but I later learned that WERA was never AM Stereo, with any system at all. As their ex- engineer said, "we were lucky to be on the air, even in mono!" From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Thu Feb 19 03:21:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91002 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 11:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2004 11:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.19) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 11:21:09 -0000 Received: from user-2092.l2.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.104.44] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AtmEu-000796-Vf for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:21:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:20:01 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.19 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: AMS CP on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Jim, I'm marketing the CP on behalf of the owner and his US rep. The reserve is way lower than your $500K estimate but noticeably more than the $10K I was offered via e-mail. The only reason I decided to withhold the reserve is to try and keep the tyre kickers away. Having been part owner of a US AM station I know what tyre kickers are all about. In my personal case even the sellers were a pain in the a.... I'd like to buy into another small AM on your side of the pond but until the fed's relax ownership rules or I become a US citizen I'm limited to 20% and that ain't enough:-) -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From stodd@vippn.com Thu Feb 19 07:48:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11872 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 15:48:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2004 15:48:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 15:48:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2004 15:48:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:48:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 677 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > =snip= > > Umm, does WOR even HAVE a C-QUAM exciter? As far as I have been able > to gather, they don't, any more, even though they tried installing > and aligning one a few years back. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ They were mentioning the cost of adding it and how it wouldn't make sense. But wouldn't it be possible for this computer that's currently generating IBOC to also have some code added for CQUAM? That way there would be no extra expense, save perhaps $500 for a used stereo mod monitor... Scott Todd From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Feb 19 13:08:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66550 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 21:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2004 21:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 21:08:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2004 21:08:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:08:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 54 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: ANOTHER new front page X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee This latest one is the best yet! Very nicely done!!! From stodd@vippn.com Thu Feb 19 13:13:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41583 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 21:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2004 21:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 21:13:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2004 21:13:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:13:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: How does it look to you? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > All I'll say is that the current logo is the best of all AM stereo > logos over the years, in my opinion. I'll second that one. Very quick and clean. Good job. ST From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Feb 19 13:17:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2653 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 21:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2004 21:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 21:17:47 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.195]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:26:03 -0500 Message-ID: <001801c3f72d$932b8e00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:16:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ANOTHER new front page X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now THIS one I like! Looks great- Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Feb 19 14:48:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42262 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 22:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2004 22:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.127) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 22:48:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:48:16 -0800 Received: from 65.140.99.175 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:48:16 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:48:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2004 22:48:16.0565 (UTC) FILETIME=[768D6E50:01C3F73A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.127 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [65.140.99.175] Subject: Re: {AMSF} ANOTHER new front page X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I agree 100 percent. MTGC >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} ANOTHER new front page >Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:16:00 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com >Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.74]) by >mc10-f26.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 19 Feb >2004 13:18:28 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb >2004 21:17:52 -0000 >Received: (qmail 2653 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 21:17:48 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >19 Feb 2004 21:17:48 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by >mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 21:17:47 -0000 >Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.195]) by >mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id > for ; >Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:26:03 -0500 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGdBKgytZ7HpHxNOjI/3kXI >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-4085512-16745-1077225470-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: <001801c3f72d$932b8e00$0101a8c0@pavilion> >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-16745-1077225470-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2004 21:18:28.0243 (UTC) >FILETIME=[EADCBE30:01C3F72D] > >Now THIS one I like! Looks great- >Chris > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Feb 19 15:55:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48592 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 23:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2004 23:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 23:55:04 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1JNt3YD020910 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:55:03 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1JNt3ru009062 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:55:03 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1JNt3no009053 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:55:03 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <182GVXMJ>; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:55:03 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDAFD@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:55:02 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Scott - definitely possible - all we need someone who is a good Assembler programmer - I have the ASM code that was written to decode AM Stereo on a Motorola DSP chip. I'm sure it could be rewritten in a higher level language such as C as an encoder (reverse the algorithm) Problem is people with these sort of skills can be hard to find - but I have no doubt that a CQUAM module for the IBOC exciter could be easily written - in fact it would require a lot less CPU time than the IBOC encoder as CQUAM is a very simple mathematical algorithm, is it not? -----Original Message----- From: amstereodude [mailto:stodd@vippn.com] Sent: Friday, 20 February 2004 1:49 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! They were mentioning the cost of adding it and how it wouldn't make sense. But wouldn't it be possible for this computer that's currently generating IBOC to also have some code added for CQUAM? That way there would be no extra expense, save perhaps $500 for a used stereo mod monitor... Scott Todd From webtrailblazer@yahoo.com Thu Feb 19 16:51:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: webtrailblazer@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47978 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 00:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 00:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 00:51:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 00:51:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 00:51:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 181 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "cc_radio_tuner" X-Originating-IP: 64.233.213.98 Subject: WCLV Cleveland 1420 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158531180 X-Yahoo-Profile: cc_radio_tuner I found this station on your website.This also simulcasts at 520AM (sometimes) for no good reason I can think of.I have to get into my beater Caravan to see if 1420 shows stereo. From webtrailblazer@yahoo.com Thu Feb 19 16:54:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: webtrailblazer@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99053 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 00:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 00:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 00:54:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 00:54:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 00:54:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 304 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "cc_radio_tuner" X-Originating-IP: 64.233.213.98 Subject: Euro Version of this group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158531180 X-Yahoo-Profile: cc_radio_tuner Some radios that are sold in both US and Europe offer a setting which allows you to switch back and forth to make the 9-10 incremental adjustments.I definitely can't get anything Euro in Cleveland, but those on the Atlantic coast might get lucky. http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumeurope From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 19 17:17:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58282 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 01:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 01:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 01:17:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 01:17:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 01:17:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 689 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.1 Subject: Re: WCLV Cleveland 1420 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I found this station on your website.This also simulcasts at 520AM > (sometimes) for no good reason I can think of. Actually that is an "image" being created by your radio. Most AM radios use an IF of 450 kHz. Two times that value is 900 kHz, and sometimes you may hear an image at 900 kHz less than a station's actual broadcast frequency. So, a strong signal on the air at 1420 kHz might be heard as an image at 1420 - 900 or 520 kHz. This signal is not actually on the air, it is merely being created by the circuitry in your radio. There is also likely an image being created at 1420 + 900 or 2320 kHz, but this is beyond the range of the AM band so you will not hear it. From tomray@wor710.com Thu Feb 19 18:07:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5211 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 02:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 02:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 02:07:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 02:07:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 02:07:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 626 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereodude" wrote: > They were mentioning the cost of adding it and how it wouldn't make > sense. But wouldn't it be possible for this computer that's > currently generating IBOC to also have some code added for CQUAM? > That way there would be no extra expense, save perhaps $500 for a > used stereo mod monitor... > > Scott Todd You're oversimplifying things. That would require a complete redesign of the RF generating module in the exciter. It's not as simple as adding code. And you won't find a used piece of gear at the WOR transmitter. Sorry. TR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Feb 19 18:09:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2303 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 02:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 02:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 02:09:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 02:09:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 02:09:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDAFD@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 631 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Scott - definitely possible - all we need someone who is a good Assembler > programmer - I have the ASM code that was written to decode AM Stereo on a > Motorola DSP chip. > As stated previously, you would need a complete redesign of the RF generation card in the computer. It is not as simple as writing code. And taking the iBiquity software apart by assembly language would most likely land you in a cell someplace for the rest of your life. Playing with someone's intellecutal property like that is just begging for trouble. TR From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Feb 19 18:40:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70163 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 02:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 02:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 02:40:05 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1K2e3YD007541 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:40:03 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1K2e4ni019435 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:40:04 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1K2e4kW019429 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:40:04 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <182GV0GA>; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:40:03 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDB00@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:40:00 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Tom, With all due respect, the IBOC exciter is DSP based - this is how they are able to upgrade the algorithm when improvements are made. The RF card would sit after the DSP and just handle the generation of the baseband RF signal from the DSP output. It would be trivial to implement CQUAM using the SAME DSP that encodes the IBOC signal. The RF card in the IBOC exciter would not need to be modified as it is still receiving a signal that fits within the normal AM band. The only problem may be if the RF card has a physical filter for the 5khz audio, however based on your reports of the filter it appears to be coded in the DSP as well so could easily be disabled when CQUAM is in use. The real issue is convincing Ibiquity to support CQUAM as a nighttime mode of operation instead of continuing to argue that IBOC is suitable for nighttime use. I did not at any stage suggest reverse engineering the Ibiquity software - I was simply advising that there is published ASM code by Motorola for decoding CQUAM on one of their DSP chips. I am happy to be proven wrong but if how I understand the IBOC exciter works is correct (you feed your analog audio from the Omnia into the HD Exciter, which then generates the RF signal to be fed directly into the transmitter) there is no reason why CQUAM could not be generated instead of the plain AM analogue RF signal the IBOC exciter currently generates for nighttime use. (the DSP generating the analogue AM signal just needs CQUAM code written, which is what I originally advocating) Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ray [mailto:tomray@wor710.com] Sent: Friday, 20 February 2004 12:09 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: So called IBOC Experts and Other Babble! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Scott - definitely possible - all we need someone who is a good Assembler > programmer - I have the ASM code that was written to decode AM Stereo on a > Motorola DSP chip. > As stated previously, you would need a complete redesign of the RF generation card in the computer. It is not as simple as writing code. And taking the iBiquity software apart by assembly language would most likely land you in a cell someplace for the rest of your life. Playing with someone's intellecutal property like that is just begging for trouble. TR Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Feb 19 19:06:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84200 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 03:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 03:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 03:06:04 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1K363YD010485 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:06:03 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1K363Rj031210 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:06:03 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1K363qm031205 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:06:03 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <182GWALS>; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:06:03 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDB02@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:06:02 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: DREAM software radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 The Dream software project is currently underway, which implements a DRM decoder in software under the GNU General Public License. See http://drm.sourceforge.net for the project homepage. What is interesting is apart from decoding the DRM Digital Radio standard, it also supports software decoding of AM radio from an IF signal! From the site: "The bandwidth of a DRM bandpass signal is less than 20 kHz and the number of carriers used in the OFDM-modulation is relatively small (max. 460). These features motivate a real-time software implementation of a DRM-receiver on a conventional personal computer (PC) using the sound card as the input and output device. A long, medium and short wave front-end with an intermediate frequency (IF) between 5 kHz and 15 kHz is used to receive the DRM signal. Any commercial front-end with an IF of 455 kHz should be usable by adding a 455 kHz to 12 kHz adaptor (assumed the receiver bandwidth is sufficient for a DRM signal). Documentation of receiver modifications for DRM reception can be found at www.drmrx.org." Here's a link to my proposal to include a software CQUAM decoder in their AM module http://tinyurl.com/ytlds The stumbling block is lack of open source C++ code - the ASM code to decode CQUAM on the Motorola DSP 56001 is here: http://www.programmersheaven.com/zone5/cat465/3853.htm Does anyone have any contacts at Motorola who can assist us with obtaining C++ code to decode/encode CQUAM? Surely given the current state of play with CQUAM they would be happy to release code to the open source community? Should I email them myself? Do we have any good email addresses at Motorola? I'd guess most of the CQUAM savvy staff are no longer there. :( From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 08:28:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79300 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 16:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 16:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 16:28:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 16:28:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:28:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 347 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Continental AM Stereo exciter/monitor? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I've never seen one of these beasts before... but is it even for the C-Quam system? A quick web search reveals that Continental was a strong supporter of the Magnavox system; in that case, this might be the first Magnavox-system AM Stereo exciter/monitor I've ever encountered: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3079391162 From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 12:22:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83623 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 20:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 20:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 20:22:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 20:22:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 20:22:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 405 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Marantz SR940 Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee For those of you who have a Marantz SR-940 receiver... is there a ferrite coil antenna in this unit? I'm guession there's not, because my new Radio Shack AM loop has absolutely no affect on the signal. The loop does wonders for my Grundig Yacht Boy 400, though. Assuming there's no ferrite antenna in the Marantz SR-940, is it very difficult to add one? I see ferrite rods on eBay all the time... From dougharding@mindspring.com Fri Feb 20 12:53:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22143 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 20:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 20:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 20:52:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 20:52:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 20:52:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 746 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Re: Marantz SR940 Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I have a SR 440 and it came with a loop antenna you attached to the back of the unit. I took it off and directly connected a radio shack loop to the AM GRN connections on the back. The RS loop made a huge difference for the better in reception. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B." wrote: > For those of you who have a Marantz SR-940 receiver... is there a > ferrite coil antenna in this unit? > > I'm guession there's not, because my new Radio Shack AM loop has > absolutely no affect on the signal. The loop does wonders for my > Grundig Yacht Boy 400, though. > > Assuming there's no ferrite antenna in the Marantz SR-940, is it very > difficult to add one? I see ferrite rods on eBay all the time... From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 13:05:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7519 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 21:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 21:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 21:05:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 21:05:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:04:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 523 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: Marantz SR940 Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I have a SR 440 and it came with a loop antenna you attached to the > back of the unit. I took it off and directly connected a radio shack > loop to the AM GRN connections on the back. The RS loop made a huge > difference for the better in reception. So... you've got one of the RS Loop's wires connected to the Antenna Ground, and the other to the AM antenna connector... Does it matter whether you attach the positive wire (the one with the white line) from the RS Loop to the AM connector or the Ground connector? From webtrailblazer@yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 13:57:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: webtrailblazer@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32685 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 21:57:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 21:57:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 21:57:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 21:57:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:57:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 802 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "cc_radio_tuner" X-Originating-IP: 64.233.213.98 Subject: Re: WCLV Cleveland 1420 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158531180 X-Yahoo-Profile: cc_radio_tuner RE: - O -! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I found this station on your website.This also simulcasts at 520AM > > (sometimes) for no good reason I can think of. > > Actually that is an "image" being created by your radio. Most AM > radios use an IF of 450 kHz. Two times that value is 900 kHz, and > sometimes you may hear an image at 900 kHz less than a station's > actual broadcast frequency. So, a strong signal on the air at > 1420 kHz might be heard as an image at 1420 - 900 or 520 kHz. > > This signal is not actually on the air, it is merely being created > by the circuitry in your radio. There is also likely an image being > created at 1420 + 900 or 2320 kHz, but this is beyond the range of > the AM band so you will not hear it. From dougharding@mindspring.com Fri Feb 20 14:05:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57937 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 22:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 22:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 22:05:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 22:05:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:03:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 392 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Re: Marantz SR940 Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I attached the positive wire (white line) to the Ant and the other to gnd. Although I do not think it matters. > > So... you've got one of the RS Loop's wires connected to the Antenna > Ground, and the other to the AM antenna connector... Does it matter > whether you attach the positive wire (the one with the white line) > from the RS Loop to the AM connector or the Ground connector? From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 15:04:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65947 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 23:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 23:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 23:04:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 23:04:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:04:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 154 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: Marantz SR940 Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee >> I attached the positive wire (white line) to the Ant and the other to gnd. Although I do not think it matters. << Good deal... thanks for the info! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 15:23:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97209 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 23:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 23:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 23:23:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 23:23:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:23:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 445 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.5 Subject: Re: WCLV Cleveland 1420 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "cc_radio_tuner" wrote: > RE: - O -! By the way, due to this "image" effect, this afternoon I was able to hear ham radio operators with my AM radio tuned to 950 kHz. With the image effect, this means they were actually using a frequency 900 kHz higher, or 1850 kHz, in the 160M band. It sounded like they were using AM, too, since I didn't hear the typical "sideband squawk". From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 15:27:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67145 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 23:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 23:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 23:27:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20040220232700.45040.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.96] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:27:00 PST Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:27:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.81 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WCLV Cleveland 1420 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > "cc_radio_tuner" > wrote: > > RE: - O -! > > By the way, due to this "image" effect, this > afternoon I was able to > hear ham radio operators with my AM radio tuned to > 950 kHz. With the > image effect, this means they were actually using a > frequency 900 kHz > higher, or 1850 kHz, in the 160M band. It sounded > like they were > using AM, too, since I didn't hear the typical > "sideband squawk". Indeed there is a a good bit of AM on 160. One of the 2 more popular frequencies is 1885 and 1985. A few are using AM stereo. Powell W4OPW on 7290 with a Collins 32V-3 ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 16:24:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37502 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 00:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 00:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 00:24:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2004 00:24:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:24:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1448 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.5 Subject: WOWO announcement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I'm not sure of the exact date, but here is the announcement that 1190 WOWO (Ft. Wayne, IN) made on the air when they began broadcasting in AM Stereo: "And now, a special announcement -- here's WOWO Station Manager, John Irwin... Thank you, Chris. This is a historic moment for WOWO Radio. For decades, WOWO has prided itself on being a leader in technical innovation. And now, WOWO announces the beginning of a new era for Fort Wayne broadasting. Right now, WOWO Radio is the first radio station in America to broadcast in full-quality AM Stereo via the Magnavox PMX AM Stereo System. If you're a WOWO listener, you will not hear any difference in the sound of WOWO, even though we are now broadasting in full Stereo. You must listen to a special AM Stereo radio, which are not yet available to the general public. AM Stereo receivers will be available soon, however. In the meantime, Magnavox has made a Stereo receiver available for public listening at Stucky Brothers Appliance Store, located on Coldwater Road, here in Fort Wayne. You are invited to stop by Stucky Brothers anytime, and hear WOWO in Stereo. In the meantime, WOWO will continue as the first Magnavox Stereo station in America. We're proud to be a part of broadcasting history, and we thank our listeners for their continued loyalty. AM Stereo is now another way WOWO makes your day." (Jingle: We'll make your day ... W-O-W-O ... Stereo 1190) From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Feb 21 02:42:18 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Feb 21 07:15:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80648 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 15:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 15:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 15:15:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2004 15:15:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:15:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 427 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 65.68.206.119 Subject: Re: Marantz SR940 Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee >>I attached the positive wire (white line) to the Ant and the other to gnd. Although I do not think it matters. << Great news. Once I actually hooked the antenna up to my receiver, it worked GREAT. Before, I was just moving the loop around the unit (and, of course, getting no response). What's REALLY great is that I'm now able to pull in Dallas' Radio Disney AM Stereo station. I'll post some mp3's next week... From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Feb 21 08:44:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70521 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 16:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 16:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.151) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 16:44:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 08:44:30 -0800 Received: from 65.136.141.137 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 16:44:30 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:44:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2004 16:44:30.0917 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA475750:01C3F899] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.151 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [65.136.141.137] Subject: Help Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I hope someone in this forum can help. I won this item on e-Bay. Can anyone tell me what the two missing tubes are, and does anyone have a schematic for this unit, or can describe how this unit functions? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3076261573&category=296&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1 It has a crystal for 750 mhz, and I would need another crystal, as I am about 50 miles from WSB. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, MTGC (Michael) mtgc@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 21 08:53:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99650 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 16:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 16:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 16:53:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20040221165326.45872.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 08:53:26 PST Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 08:53:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: IBOC & skywave -a FATAL mix X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I changed the subject line just a bit: --- Tom Ray wrote: > But what you're missing is that IBOC operation and > practice is set up > in accordance to the FCC regulations. Read them. > There is no > protection for skywave signals. All the protections > are within > specified contours. And these only SOMETIMES work, and not so well in many cases. The only exception is a Class A > AM station for > which there is no definition of a "Nighttime > Interference Free Contour". > Looks like we're going to have to define one. Let us hope it's done in reality, which I belive it will NOT be. > And providing that the stations are operating in > accordance with those FCC regulations, any lawsuit filed would not have a legal leg to stand on. >If the skywave signal does not come under FCC >protections, and since stations have to abide by the >FCC regulations, the point becomes moot. Translation: I'm running IBOC and too bad my skywave IBOC signal trashes your local signal at night... > From the day I started in this business 27 years > ago, I have heard nothing but "AM needs to have >technical parity with FM and needs to sound like FM". With the absolutely horrid parodies of receivers out in modern times, that's the case. Only in a handfull of cases does AM sound decent: GE SuperRadio, Zenith High Fidelity, and Fanfare and some others. Even current FM sections are an awful excuse for a radio. > IBOC gives that parity.....unfortunately, you can't > have your cake and eat it, too. IBOC degrades AM to the parity of a jammed in class A. >Along with parity > to FM comes parity > in signal coverage. Get outside of the Grade B > signal coverage of a class B FM (about 50 miles) >and the signal goes to hell in a > hurry....yet no one whines or complains. Class B, EWWW! We have class C's down here...}:) >Do the same thing to AM and "Oh, My god!!! The sky is >falling!!!" But it has. Yeah taking a low end of the BC band AM that is perfectly listenable out 100 miles and if falls apart in 20 miles or can' handle a thunderstorm welllllll..... And the high end that falls apart quick. It's the old class of regionals that will really be sorry. I expect 90% of them to go away. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Feb 21 08:57:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80711 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 16:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 16:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 16:57:53 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.179]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:06:14 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c3f89b$985c21e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:56:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael, it looks like the large socket is for an amp tube- possibly a 6L6. I do not see any plate cap wire, and some old xmitters used these. As for the other tube, the number is printed on the chassis, but too small to read from the pic. There is a possibility that the large tube is a rectifier- such as a 5AR4, or 5Y3- without seeing the underside, it will be hard to tell. Or, worst case- it is a plug to another chassis- a 2 piece design.... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 11:44 AM Subject: {AMSF} Help Request I hope someone in this forum can help. I won this item on e-Bay. Can anyone tell me what the two missing tubes are, and does anyone have a schematic for this unit, or can describe how this unit functions? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3076261573&category=296&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Feb 21 09:02:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98405 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 17:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 17:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.137) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 17:02:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:02:42 -0800 Received: from 65.136.141.137 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:02:42 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:02:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2004 17:02:42.0521 (UTC) FILETIME=[84ECE490:01C3F89C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.137 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [65.136.141.137] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Chris, The small tube says "modulator". Does this help? MTGC >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Request >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:56:04 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com >Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.72]) by >mc2-f14.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Sat, 21 Feb 2004 >08:58:10 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb >2004 16:57:55 -0000 >Received: (qmail 80711 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 16:57:54 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >21 Feb 2004 16:57:53 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by >mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 16:57:53 -0000 >Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.179]) by >mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id > for ; >Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:06:14 -0500 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFjqsc4zJt9bc3Ca0gjT+Ay >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-4085512-16769-1077382675-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: <001c01c3f89b$985c21e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-16769-1077382675-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2004 16:58:10.0804 (UTC) >FILETIME=[E2F82B40:01C3F89B] > >Michael, it looks like the large socket is for an amp tube- possibly a 6L6. >I do not see any plate cap wire, and some old xmitters used these. >As for the other tube, the number is printed on the chassis, but too small >to read from the pic. >There is a possibility that the large tube is a rectifier- such as a 5AR4, >or 5Y3- without seeing the underside, it will be hard to tell. Or, worst >case- it is a plug to another chassis- a 2 piece design.... >Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 11:44 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Help Request > > > I hope someone in this forum can help. I won this item on e-Bay. Can > anyone tell me what the two missing tubes are, and does anyone have a > schematic for this unit, or can describe how this unit functions? > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3076261573&category=296&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1 > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Feb 21 09:08:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66362 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 17:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 17:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 17:08:07 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.179]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:16:16 -0500 Message-ID: <002801c3f89d$00053100$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:06:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah so...... If it is a 7 pin tube, it could well be a 6AQ5 or similar pentode. That would mean the large socket would be for a rectifier- look at the bottom of the large socket. If only 5 pins have wires, it is most likely a 5Y3. Sure wish I had a pic of the underbelly... cc ----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Feb 21 09:14:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47392 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 17:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 17:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 17:14:04 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.179]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:21:57 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c3f89d$cb429c40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20040221165326.45872.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:11:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: great radio to look for X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just converted a Old USA made KLH model 21 AM-FM radio from 1973. What an A** kicking radio! The AM and FM front ends are totally independent, the only shared item is the multi gang open frame tuner. The power is switched off the AM side when not used, and the IC has an AM IF output pin that does not interfere at all- not even at 910 (the 2nd harmonic) Tuned up to cover the EB, and with 2 decoders, it is one of the best radios I have ever had. Keep your eye on ebay for one. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Feb 21 09:16:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77907 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 17:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 17:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.113) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 17:16:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:16:53 -0800 Received: from 65.136.141.137 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:16:53 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:16:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2004 17:16:53.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[8059DD00:01C3F89E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.113 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [65.136.141.137] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Chris, The modulator is a nine pin socket and the large socket is 8 pin keyed. I will try to take the bottom off and take some pictures. MTGC (Michael) >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Request >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:06:07 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com >Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.67]) by >mc1-f32.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Sat, 21 Feb 2004 >09:08:49 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb >2004 17:08:09 -0000 >Received: (qmail 66362 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 17:08:07 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >21 Feb 2004 17:08:07 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by >mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 17:08:07 -0000 >Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.179]) by >mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id > for ; >Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:16:16 -0500 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGrKIRV6QddvzYVcS7Jpetq >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-4085512-16771-1077383288-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: <002801c3f89d$00053100$0101a8c0@pavilion> >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-16771-1077383288-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2004 17:08:49.0575 (UTC) >FILETIME=[5FB4E370:01C3F89D] > >Ah so...... If it is a 7 pin tube, it could well be a 6AQ5 or similar >pentode. That would mean the large socket would be for a rectifier- look at >the bottom of the large socket. If only 5 pins have wires, it is most >likely a 5Y3. Sure wish I had a pic of the underbelly... >cc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Feb 21 09:25:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3000 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 17:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 17:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 17:25:29 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.179]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:33:50 -0500 Message-ID: <004101c3f89f$73bd9a40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:23:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit not too big, tho..... I have slow dialup and big pix are a pain.... cc ----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 12:16 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Request Chris, The modulator is a nine pin socket and the large socket is 8 pin keyed. I will try to take the bottom off and take some pictures. MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Feb 21 09:41:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61023 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 17:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 17:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 17:41:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2004 17:41:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:41:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002e01c3f89d$cb429c40$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 676 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 65.68.206.119 Subject: Re: great radio to look for X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Can you post a pic? Or a link to a pic? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I just converted a Old USA made KLH model 21 AM-FM radio from 1973. What an A** kicking radio! The AM and FM front ends are totally independent, the only shared item is the multi gang open frame tuner. > The power is switched off the AM side when not used, and the IC has an AM IF output pin that does not interfere at all- not even at 910 (the 2nd harmonic) Tuned up to cover the EB, and with 2 decoders, it is one of the best radios I have ever had. > Keep your eye on ebay for one. > Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Feb 21 13:02:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61292 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 21:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 21:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 21:02:46 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.197]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 16:11:07 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c3f8bd$ce138900$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 16:00:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: great radio to look for X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep- I plan to take a few pix, and also show the decoder hookup. It has a 2 board design- the tuner board is separate from the amp and power board. There is a separate IC for both the FM signal and AM signal, and the FM front end has discrete FET transistors. The AM Ferrite is nice and long, so DXing is great, and with the vernier tuning it makes for a very nice radio. I am not sure how much space is left on these archives at Yahoo, but I'm sure it can fit in somewhere. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas B. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 12:41 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: great radio to look for Can you post a pic? Or a link to a pic? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 21 15:08:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50337 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 23:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 23:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 23:08:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2004 23:08:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 23:08:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c3f8bd$ce138900$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 349 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.8 Subject: Re: great radio to look for X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I am not sure how much space is left on these archives at Yahoo, > but I'm sure it can fit in somewhere. We have plenty of room in the Photos section, and about 4 megs left in the Files section right now. Meanwhile, here's a photo of the KLH Model 21 -- but this is the FM-only version: http://www.somerset.net/arm/radio_pictures/klh_21.jpg From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 21 15:08:50 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Feb 21 15:58:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40373 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 23:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 23:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 23:58:10 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.136]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:05:45 -0500 Message-ID: <003501c3f8d6$33e45e40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:55:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: great radio to look for X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope- That's the earlier version, with the real wood cabinet. The one I have is also a model 21, but with a more modern pressboard cabinet with fake woodgrain- The knobs are black with spun aluminum inserts, and the dial is clear, with the FM and AM scales in a circle behind the pointer. I'll upload the pix tomorrow... cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Meanwhile, here's a photo of the KLH Model 21 -- but this is the FM-only version: http://www.somerset.net/arm/radio_pictures/klh_21.jpg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 21 19:01:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38498 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2004 03:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2004 03:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2004 03:01:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2004 03:01:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 03:01:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4172 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.8 Subject: Daytime band scan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here are the results of a daytime AM band scan I did today at 3:00 PM at the NJ Turnpike service area just South of Exit 8A near Prospect Plains, NJ. This location is exactly halfway between Philadelphia and New York City. I used a Volkswagen OEM "Premium Audio" AM/FM/cassette car radio with my car's original 31" whip antenna. This radio does not have AM Stereo but in the list I identify which stations I received broadcast in AM Stereo or Kahn Power-Side. \ < and / marks indicate adjacent-channel splatter from strong analog signals which prevented anything from being received on those frequencies, and # (hash marks) indicate the "hash" interference received from IBOC digital signals, with the number of # marks indicating the relative level of interference on that frequency. All stations listed were clear enough to understand the programming, except those listed as "very weak", which were only strong enough to know the signal was there, but not enough to be intelligible. kHz - Call Sign - City of License - Comments ===================================================================== 520 530 KNNI707 "Elmwood Park", NJ (TIS w/4 transmitters in Northern NJ) 540 WLIE Islip, NY 550 560 WFIL Philadelphia, PA 570 WMCA New York, NY 580 WHP Harrisburg, PA 590 WARM Scranton, PA 600 WICC Bridgeport, CT (AM Stereo) 610 WIP Philadelphia, PA (Power-Side/L) 620 WSNR Jersey City, NJ 630 640 WWJZ Mount Holly, NJ 650 \ 660 WFAN New York, NY 670 / 680 ######### + WCBM/WINR? (barely intelligible) 690 ############# + WPHE Phoenixville, PA (barely intelligible) 700 ####################### 710 WOR New York, NY (IBOC) 720 ####################### 730 ################ 740 ########## + WGSM Huntington, NY (heavy interference) 750 ####### 760 \ 770 WABC New York, NY 780 / 790 WAEB Allentown, PA 800 WTMR Camden, NJ 810 WGY Schenectady, NY 820 WNYC New York, NY 830 WEEU Reading, PA 840 WVPO Stroudsburg, PA (very weak) 850 WREF Ridgefield, CT (AM Stereo) 860 WWDB Philadelphia, PA 870 \ 880 WCBS New York, NY 890 / 900 WURD Philadelphia, PA 910 WRKL New City, NY 920 WPHY Trenton, NJ 930 ## + WPAT Paterson, NJ (slight hiss) 940 ############### 950 WPEN Philadelphia, PA (IBOC) 960 ############### 970 ## + WWDJ Hackensack, NJ (slight hiss) 980 W??? (very weak) 990 WZZD Philadelphia, PA 1000 < 1010 WINS New York, NY 1020 WIBG Ocean City, NJ 1030 WBZ Boston, MA (IBOC, very weak) 1040 WCHR Flemington, NJ 1050 WEPN New York, NY 1060 KYW Philadelphia, PA 1070 WKMB Stirling, NJ 1080 WTIC Hartford, CT (very weak) 1090 WBAL Baltimore, MD 1100 WHLI Hempstead, NY 1110 WNAR Norristown, PA 1120 \ 1130 WBBR New York, NY 1140 / 1150 W??? (Talk station, possibly WRUN Utica, NY, very weak) 1160 WOBM Lakewood Township, NJ 1170 WWTR Bridgewater, NJ 1180 < 1190 WLIB New York, NY 1200 < 1210 WPHT Philadelphia, PA (AM Stereo) 1220 W??? (very weak) 1230 WEEX Easton, PA (very weak) 1240 WGBB Freeport, NY 1250 WMTR Morristown, NJ 1260 WBUD Trenton, NJ 1270 1280 WADO New York, NY 1290 WJBR Wilmington, DE 1300 WIMG Trenton, NJ 1310 WEMG Camden, NJ (AM Stereo) + WADB Asbury Park, NJ (in bckgrnd.) 1320 WTKZ Allentown, PA 1330 WWRV New York, NY 1340 1350 WHWH Princeton, NJ 1360 WNJC Washington Township, NJ (very weak) 1370 WALK East Patchogue, NY + WPAZ Pottstown, PA (in background) 1380 WKDM New York, NY (very weak) 1390 WEOK Poughkeepsie, NY 1400 WEST Easton, PA or WOND Atlantic City, NJ? (Clark Howard show) 1410 WHTG Eatontown, NJ 1420 W??? (very weak) 1430 WNSW Newark, NJ 1440 WNYG Babylon, NY 1450 WCTC New Brunswick, NJ (AM Stereo) 1460 WIFI Florence, NJ 1470 WKAP Allentown, PA 1480 WZRC New York, NY 1490 WBCB Levittown, PA 1500 WTOP Washington, DC (very weak) 1510 WRNJ Hackettstown, NJ 1520 WTHE Mineola, NY 1530 WJDM Elizabeth, NJ (AM Stereo, no pilot) 1540 WNWR Philadelphia, PA 1550 \ 1560 WQEW New York, NY 1570 WISP Doylestown, PA (Power-Side/R + 15 Hz pilot) 1580 WGYM Hammonton, NJ 1590 W??? (very weak) 1600 WWRL New York, NY (Power-Side/R) 1610 WPFP986 Jamesburg, NJ (TIS) 1620 faint TIS 1630 faint TIS 1640 1650 \ 1660 WWRU Jersey City, NJ (AM Stereo, pilot only) 1670 < 1680 WTTM Princeton, NJ (AM Stereo) 1690 / 1700 faint TIS 1710 From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Feb 22 01:56:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34201 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2004 09:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2004 09:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2004 09:56:09 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.118]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 05:04:27 -0500 Message-ID: <003801c3f929$d5b83360$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 04:54:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: great radio to look for X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have just put the KLH pix in the Photos section of our archives. There is one pic with two radios, showing the FM only version- they look so close, but the AM/FM version uses a slightly blue tint to the aluminum (and the dial scale has the AM band... duh...) When you look at the tuner circuit board, it is immediately apparent why this radio is so good- FOUR IF transformers for the AM side! It has it all- sensitivity, selectivity, and fidelity. Interesting to note that the DC current draw of the tuner module is only about 15 ma., making battery operation very do-able. I just might do this- and add in a new stereo amp. and run the whole thing on 8 C or D cells. CC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Feb 22 09:27:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82216 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2004 17:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2004 17:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2004 17:27:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:27:27 -0800 Received: from 65.140.98.73 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:27:27 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:27:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2004 17:27:27.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[24718E90:01C3F969] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.31 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [65.140.98.73] Subject: FTP Site Status? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 A question. When will the FTP site be back up? Thanks, MTGC (Michael) _________________________________________________________________ Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great U.S. locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx From stodd@vippn.com Sun Feb 22 12:18:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24866 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2004 20:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2004 20:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2004 20:18:39 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-79-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.79]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AB52014E0BC for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:15:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005801c3f981$4585cd40$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <003801c3f929$d5b83360$0101a8c0@pavilion> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:44:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: great radio to look for X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You get to that point and you may as well go with a Gel Cell. Costs more initially, but saves big bucks in the long run. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > Interesting to note that the DC current draw of the tuner module is only about 15 ma., making battery operation very do-able. I just might do this- and add in a new stereo amp. and run the whole thing on 8 C or D cells. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Feb 22 13:32:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73301 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2004 21:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2004 21:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2004 21:32:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2004 21:32:00 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66586 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2004 18:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2004 18:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2004 18:15:08 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.bb.3c4d714d (16633) for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:14:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:14:59 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.36 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: IBOC Complaints X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 22 Feb 2004 21:31:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 The interference of KFUO's IBOC sidebands to the signal of WCBW 880 Highland, IL (30 kHz away from KFUO, which is on 850) is very bad, especially in the Clayton and Richmond Heights areas near St. Louis. With that in mind, at the suggestion of an amateur radio operator and ex-DJ in Joplin, MO, I sent off an E-mail to the Reverend Larry Rice, the Director of New Life Evangelistic Center, the Christian organization that owns and operates WCBW. I mentioned to him that the IBOC sidebands from KFUO threatens WCBW's ability to operate efficiently as a ministry outreach for the St. Louis region. I'll also have to fire off a letter to KOTC 830 Kennett, MO, making them aware of the interference caused to their signal (which is still in AM Stereo) in the northern fringes. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 From stodd@vippn.com Sun Feb 22 14:04:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55542 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2004 22:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2004 22:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2004 22:04:11 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-115-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.115]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3989914E0AC for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:04:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001701c3f990$7495ff60$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:08:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC Complaints X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The one thing that station operators have to learn is that they don't have to stand for another station's IBOC hash destroying their coverage. I've also filed some comments at the FCC in favor of John Pavlica Jr.'s counterproposal on using CQUAM at night instead of IBOC. The docket number is 99-325. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > I mentioned to him that the IBOC sidebands from KFUO threatens WCBW's ability > to operate efficiently as a ministry outreach for the St. Louis region. I'll > also have to fire off a letter to KOTC 830 Kennett, MO, making them aware of > the interference caused to their signal (which is still in AM Stereo) in the > northern fringes. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Feb 22 14:51:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16840 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2004 22:51:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2004 22:51:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2004 22:51:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2004 22:50:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:50:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003801c3f929$d5b83360$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 417 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.138.72.127 Subject: {AMSF} Re: great radio to look for X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee > I have just put the KLH pix in the Photos section of our archives. There is one pic with two radios, showing the FM only version- they look so close, but the AM/FM version uses a slightly blue tint to the aluminum (and the dial scale has the AM band... I don't suppose you've got a larger version of that same pic? The one with the two KLH's stacked together? 200% or even 300% would be cool... if possible. From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Feb 22 16:27:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 37622 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 00:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 00:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 00:27:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: KC4QLP@aol.com Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2004 00:27:07 -0000 X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62218 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2004 22:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2004 22:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2004 22:24:22 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.b9.3ccb3a91 (4418) for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:24:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:24:06 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.9 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC Complaints X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 23 Feb 2004 00:27:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 In a message dated 2/22/04 5:05:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, stodd@vippn.com writes: > I've > also filed some comments at the FCC in favor of John Pavlica Jr.'s > counterproposal on using CQUAM at night instead of IBOC. The docket number > is 99-325. > > Scott Todd > How long is the comment period open for? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Feb 22 16:30:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85212 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 00:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 00:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 00:30:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2004 00:30:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 3801 invoked by uid 65534); 23 Feb 2004 00:30:28 -0000 Date: 23 Feb 2004 00:30:28 -0000 Message-ID: <1077496228.13604.3711.w19@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /radios/KLH21s.jpg Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Full-size photo of KLH Model 21 radios, taken by Chris Cuff. FM-only version is on top; newer AM/FM version is on bottom. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/KLH21s.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Feb 22 18:06:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66175 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 02:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 02:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 02:06:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2004 02:06:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 12514 invoked by uid 65534); 23 Feb 2004 02:06:13 -0000 Date: 23 Feb 2004 02:06:13 -0000 Message-ID: <1077501973.133854.12305.w77@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /pdf/kahn9-03.pdf Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Leonard Kahn's most recent filing with the FCC, in which he continues to point out the flaws of IBOC and promote his own "Cam-D" digital-compatible AM Stereo system. He also claims to be working on a digital system for FM as well. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/kahn9-03.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From stodd@vippn.com Sun Feb 22 18:52:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78043 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 02:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 02:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 02:52:56 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-156-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.156]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A9A614E098 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:52:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007601c3f9b8$ca970760$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:26:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC Complaints X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not sure, but I think we're at the tail end of it. Hurry to all who want to add your support. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > How long is the comment period open for? From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Feb 23 03:07:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51986 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 11:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 11:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 11:07:35 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-67-124-14-222.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.124.14.222]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i1NB7SM69368; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 03:07:28 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c3f9fc$88b2cd40$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 03:02:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: I think KNX..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang I think that KNX AM 1070 is back in full stereo agan. Well at least it sounded like it the other night anyway. Jim Smith Not a engineer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Feb 23 09:35:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27293 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 17:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 17:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 17:35:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2004 17:34:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:34:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2098 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Phil R" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 Subject: OT - HQ-129-X arrives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking My near mint HQ-129-X arrived at the office today. I can't wait to get it home and hook it up. Just the ticket for keeping tabs on WOR here in CHTN's backyard. I suspect any "ringing" I'd hear would be the crystal filter and not the Optimod though. If nightime IBOC ever becomes reality, the crystal filter may be just the ticket to bring some order out of the chaos. However, unless a big enough basket of goodies can be added to IBOC, I don't think it will succeed in the marketplace. However, keep it daytime only, add enhanced analogue [including CQUAM at night, where a stereo source exists, digital receive only noise reduction etc.] and work on programming improvements and maybe Joe and Jane Doe might be able to be persuaded. Really, it could be in iBiquity's long term interest to work on making IBOC more compatiable with high quality analogue, especially for nightime use. Incorporating CQUAM as part of the HD bundle of goods could help IBOC, just as IBOC, by creating renewed interest in AM broadcasting, has the potential to help CQUAM AM Stereo. Folks, we live in a world of multiple standards - just put a memory card into a digital camera, or use a digital cam corder, and you'll know what I mean. Making the best out of the standard AM band may need both IBOC and CQUAM. Presently, IBOC and CQUAM are incompatible. We have the talent in this group to change this. IBOC by day to cut through the hash of Times Square and the interference at the office. CQUAM by night to deal with propagation issues. A smart receiver which can automatically move back and forth, maximizing AM's potential. Would be purchasers of IBOC receivers will be looking for the best possible reception, day or night, in the 15 mv/m contour and in the 0.5 mv/m contour. Muddy nightime mono sound won't cut it. Nor will digital splatter from second and third adjacents. IBOC will be more saleable IF the best possible quality is available when the receiver must default to analogue. Phil R. PEI Canada Canada - An IBOC free zone, where DAB is a flop... From dougharding@mindspring.com Mon Feb 23 11:21:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34330 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 19:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 19:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 19:21:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2004 19:21:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:21:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1292 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: IBOC analog audio really sounds like crap! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding There is one problem with this. I tried to listen to Neil Rogers today on WQAM here in Miami which broadcast IBOC. The analog sound is so bad it is almost unlistenable. It sounds like it is coming out of a barrel. I gave up after 10 minutes. I have heard on this forum before its the programming but here is a show I used to listen to a lot. Now I cannot listen to it because it is so hard to understand. (Thanks to IBOC 5khz filtering) Also if stations went C-quam at night the difference in sound quality would be huge even on cheap radios like my Mitsubshi Car stereo. People would wonder why a station sounds so clear at night and so bad during the day. WQAM used to be stereo and when I first got my Fanfare tuners sounded like FM. What a shame! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil R" wrote: o bring some order out of the chaos.> My near mint HQ-129-X arrived at the office today. I can't wait to > get > > However, unless a big enough basket of goodies can be added to IBOC, > I don't think it will succeed in the marketplace. However, keep it > daytime only, add enhanced analogue [including CQUAM at night, where > a stereo source exists, digital receive only noise reduction etc.] > > PEI Canada > Canada - An IBOC free zone, where DAB is a flop... From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Feb 23 11:59:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57748 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 19:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 19:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 19:58:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2004 19:58:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:58:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1495 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: IBOC analog audio really sounds like crap! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I've been on the sidelines during these IBOC discussions... mainly because I've only heard IBOC via mp3. But, given the HIGH price tags on these HD receivers, isn't it obvious that an AM MUSIC station would be committing suicide by going to IBOC? The vast majority of listeners will NOT be investing in HD radios anytime soon, and, in the interim, the 5 kHz bandwidth would just chase off all the listeners relying on analog tuners. (And AM music stations don't have many listeners to begin with...) In the case of WOR, a talk station, 5 kHz low fidelity may not matter... hence the reviews we're getting from the WOR guys. They simply don't have to provide hifi audio quality on their station. And, with NYC being such a bad environment for AM reception, IBOC can't make them sound much worse, can it? Here in Dallas, I hesitate to predict whether news and talk radio listeners will tolerate 5 khz analog until HD radios become affordable. We have THREE 50,000 watt flame throwing Talkers: KRLD, WBAP, and KLIF. They all sound REALLY good on mono receivers. Heck, I can hear KRLD creating pops 20 khz away from its frequency! There just MIGHT be some listeners who become pretty vocal when the fidelity goes south with IBOC. Or they may just passively take whatever corporate radio gives them. We'll see... dougharding wrote: > The analog sound is so bad it is almost unlistenable. It sounds like it is coming out of a > barrel. I gave up after 10 minutes. From pd@96wnjo.com Mon Feb 23 17:07:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pd@96wnjo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99721 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 01:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2004 01:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 01:07:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2004 01:07:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:07:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 69 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "wnjo960" X-Originating-IP: 67.83.125.168 Subject: Loading coil for 5 watt Lite amp X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159836599 X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 How would I build the loading coil for the Alfredo Lite amp? Thanks! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 23 18:52:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19093 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 02:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2004 02:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 02:52:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2004 02:52:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 02:52:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2538 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.4 Subject: Re: IBOC analog audio really sounds like crap! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > But, given the HIGH price tags on these HD receivers, isn't it > obvious that an AM MUSIC station would be committing suicide by > going to IBOC? The vast majority of listeners will NOT be > investing in HD radios anytime soon, and, in the interim, the 5 kHz > bandwidth would just chase off all the listeners relying on analog > tuners. (And AM music stations don't have many listeners to begin > with...) The closest thing we have to a major-market AM IBOC music station right now is 950 WPEN in Philadelphia. Formerly an AM Stereo station for many years (they even ID'd on the air as "Stereo 95 AM"), they began using IBOC a few weeks ago, which means their analog audio has been reduced to 5 kHz mono during the daytime and ~5.7 kHz mono at night (they use the Omnia 5-EX's "6 kHz" filter which is more of a gradual roll-off starting at just above 5 kHz). As an Adult Standards music station, WPEN's ratings are still hanging in there, but revenue has been declining over the years; their late evening and overnight DJs were replaced with automation (not even voice-tracking -- just generic liners between the songs), and their weekend schedule is now filled up with infomercials, sporting events, and other non-music programming. For years there has been speculation of WPEN switching to a talk or sports format, but recently Greater Media has flipped their other Adult Standards station -- the 1250 WMTR/1170 WWTR simulcast in central & northern NJ -- to a revitalized "Classic Oldies" format with an emphasis on pre-1964 rock'n'roll music, akin to the "Real Oldies" format on 1530 WSAI and 1690 WRLL... so it would not be out of the question for Greater Media to flip WPEN to a similar "Classic Oldies" format. Besides the loss of AM Stereo and reduction of analog audio quality, WPEN's use of IBOC is more of a risk in that they are only a 5 kW Regional channel signal, situated alongside quite a few neighboring stations, so there is a greater chance of interference complaints. For listeners with less-selective receivers, it may even affect nearby 920 WPHY, which is licensed to Trenton, NJ but is trying to market itself as a Philadelphia station. And towards the West, there is 940 WADV in Lebanon, PA and 960 WILT in Mt. Pocono, PA, which will surely have the dreaded "hash" from 950 WPEN affecting their more distant listeners. (And WADV already has it bad enough, with only 5 watts after sunset, fighting it out against 50,000-watt "940 News" booming in from Canada every night!) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 23 23:20:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1985 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 07:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2004 07:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 07:20:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2004 07:20:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:20:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 86 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.134 Subject: OT: Bullhits! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Off-topic, but too funny to pass up: http://hog.tzo.net/~ross/downloads/hits_fm.jpg From dav259@csiro.au Tue Feb 24 01:17:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38595 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 09:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2004 09:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 09:17:57 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1O9HpKY015821 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:17:54 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:17:51 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Sports format wins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 I don't like the new all sports format on what was Talk 1116 3AK - but it seems to be working. The first yearly Nielsen radio ratings were released today and 3AK - now SEN 1116 (Sports Radio Network) - has doubled its audience. I expect it's because of all the ex-footy players who they have engaged to provide the entertainment bit - because thay have no rights to broadcast any sport here. And it sounds quite professional but very butch. Given that the Aussie Rules footy season starts in a months time their ratings will have to climb. After all - it is the best spectator sport in the world! Bar none. And poor old 3UZ - which is operating as Sport 927 - has lost two thirds of its listeners already to 3AK. But! The good thing is that 3AK and 3UZ are still both in stereo! If 3AK wins - maybe the Greater 3UZ will have to drop sport and try and become the entertainment powerhouse that it used to be. And that's what make this fearce competition so much more worthwhile. Ian Victorian Radio Network News Melbourne From dav259@csiro.au Tue Feb 24 02:29:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85665 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 10:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2004 10:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 10:29:52 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1OATlKY018630; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:29:49 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:29:47 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: , amstereoforum In-Reply-To: <2101449665-1463792126-1077613584@boing.topica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: allegiances X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 I haven't contributed to the implosion of the Forum - because I like it! Living in Melbourne - there is not much that I can regularly contribute to any AMS list as nothing changes much. But I love AMS so much and am as committed as ever. It disappoints me to see people backstabbing each other in the name of The Cause. Many of us have been rubbed the wrong way with each other. But that's no reason to set The Cause back. I may be stupid! But it seems to me that Kevin T's battle with WOR was inevitable. And it was good that Kerry and Tom were there to provide the answers. It's what we call rational. But it became irrational. And Kevin T almost went over the top fighting his guts out. He wouldn't go to WOR which is a shame - but maybe there was a good reason. I don't know what it is. But - nevertheless - Kevin T has been - and is - a wonderful warrior for AMS. I want to keep this short. So I won't go into it much ... except say that I love the people who should keep this cause alive ... Darwin (so good to have you back), Alex (of course), Chris (I'm a bit worried), Johnny E (the power!), Jay (the nice guy) ... and all the rest - you know who you are! (Dennis - I love you - but think your time on Bob's list is finite. You should have seen what he said before you got there.) I think for the good of The Cause we should address most of our posts to the Forum. It's still got 260 members! Think what we can do! But ... I'll of course go along with the majority if that's the way it goes ... Ian Melbourne From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 07:41:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 221 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 15:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2004 15:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 15:41:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2004 15:39:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:39:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 142 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: allegiances X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think for the good of The Cause we should address most of our > posts to the Forum. It's still got 260 members! Correction... 261! :-) From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Feb 24 08:08:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42177 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 16:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2004 16:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 16:08:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2004 16:07:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:07:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5134 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Phil R" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 Subject: Re: OT - HQ-129-X arrives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I'll add to my comments that in some cases stations who wish to use IBOC by day ought to be required to further restrict their daytime patterns if the use of IBOC would interfere with another station's protected daytime contours. Lets say, hypothetically, that IBOC existed in Canada. Currently, Halifax NS 920 CJCH 25 kw circular by day does not interfere with Amherst NS 900 CKDH 1kw. Now, lets say CJCH were to go IBOC. It is very possible that CJCH would then cause interference to CKDH's signal. I would agree with the proposition that if such interference occurred outside the 0.5/mv contour, it should be a non- issue. However, say this interference extended well inside CKDH's 0.5 mv/m contour. In such a case, it would only make sense that CJCH either reduce power, or adopt a directional daytime pattern. Either step would likely reduce CJCH's coverage, plain and simple. More power would be directed to the Atlantic Ocean, less to the heavily travelled Veterans Memorial Highway a.k.a. Highway 102. The ponys of Sable Island would receive a better signal, while human commutors with actual buying power traveling between Halifax and Truro and Halifax and the Annapolis Valley would be out of CJCH's reach. Keep in mind all of this is entirely hypothetical. IBOC was rejected 9 years ago here in Canada as unworkable. For the record, CJCH puts out a clean signal which I'm sure its engineers take pride in and in the event interference did occur, say temporarily and accidently, with another station's protected contour, I'm confident that the CHUM Group would take immediate action. Back to reality, its almost a year now that CJCH has been in mono. Exciter problems, I had understood. I miss them in stereo. I wish they could be encouraged further. I understand Alex is keeping tabs on the forum - not an easy task, as I recall that he, like myself, is a new Dad. Changing the subject, the Hammarlund works wonderfully, and yes, I was listening to 710 WOR and 730 CKAC in spite of being in 720 CHTN's saturation zone. I was also listening to 870 WWL in New Orleans. At 1800 plus miles, clear as a bell. No other communications receiver I own can do this, given 880 WCBS and the way they, and most 50kw NYC powerhouses, pound into the Maritimes at night. Once again, 1940s tube technology beating out the painfully muddy ceramic filters and synchronus detection of Sony's most pricey current offering, the ICFSW-77. That's even before upping the selectivity ante with the Hammarlund's multi-position crystal filter and phasing control. As such, it could be argued that the 1940s designed Hammarlund HQ- 129-X is IBOC compatiable :) Its not the old radios you'll have to throw away, its the new ones...not sure how Joe and Jane Doe are going to like that! Phil R. PEI Canada An IBOC free zone --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil R" wrote: > My near mint HQ-129-X arrived at the office today. I can't wait to > get it home and hook it up. Just the ticket for keeping tabs on WOR > here in CHTN's backyard. > > I suspect any "ringing" I'd hear would be the crystal filter and not > the Optimod though. > > If nightime IBOC ever becomes reality, the crystal filter may be > just the ticket to bring some order out of the chaos. > > However, unless a big enough basket of goodies can be added to IBOC, > I don't think it will succeed in the marketplace. However, keep it > daytime only, add enhanced analogue [including CQUAM at night, where > a stereo source exists, digital receive only noise reduction etc.] > and work on programming improvements and maybe Joe and Jane Doe > might be able to be persuaded. Really, it could be in iBiquity's > long term interest to work on making IBOC more compatiable with high > quality analogue, especially for nightime use. Incorporating CQUAM > as part of the HD bundle of goods could help IBOC, just as IBOC, by > creating renewed interest in AM broadcasting, has the potential to > help CQUAM AM Stereo. > > Folks, we live in a world of multiple standards - just put a memory > card into a digital camera, or use a digital cam corder, and you'll > know what I mean. Making the best out of the standard AM band may > need both IBOC and CQUAM. > > Presently, IBOC and CQUAM are incompatible. We have the talent in > this group to change this. IBOC by day to cut through the hash of > Times Square and the interference at the office. CQUAM by night to > deal with propagation issues. A smart receiver which can > automatically move back and forth, maximizing AM's potential. > > Would be purchasers of IBOC receivers will be looking for the best > possible reception, day or night, in the 15 mv/m contour and in the > 0.5 mv/m contour. Muddy nightime mono sound won't cut it. Nor will > digital splatter from second and third adjacents. IBOC will be more > saleable IF the best possible quality is available when the receiver > must default to analogue. > > Phil R. > > PEI Canada > Canada - An IBOC free zone, where DAB is a flop... From krichards@wor710.com Tue Feb 24 08:10:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47070 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 16:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2004 16:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 16:10:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2004 16:08:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:08:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4434 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 141.155.153.214 Subject: Re: IBOC analog audio really sounds like crap! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 The initial reports we have heard are quite positive for WPEN, by the way it is a major market station. They have had no complaints about the HD radio carriers. So apparently no one noticed when they switched. They have had two, that's TWO complaints about the loss of stereo from listeners in cars. I think one of the complaints was from Kevin here.... What does this mean? In the real world basically almost no one noticed the HD carriers. The other thing here to notice is that they recieved no complaints about reduced analog bandwidth. This really tells the tale. There are fewer wideband radios in use than most of us think. And, more importantly, the reduced audio bandwidth with good audio processing is not as noticible as many would like to think. The only real problem for them has been the air talent having to get used to the studio output in their headsets instaed of air which is now 8 seconds behind. I have not had time to get to Philly with an HD radio to see how it sounds, but I will soon. This is the real world of AM Stereo, in a major market. I'm sorry to say the listeners can't seem to tell the difference, and the loss of stereo for those with analog radios does not seem to be a problem. There just is not enough penetration in the market of AM Stereo radios. If WOR is operating with about 1700 watts of HD carriers and we are at 50kw, then WPEN with 5kw those HD carriers must only be around 170 watts, in other words not much. It's amazing how far they travel though.....IBOC coverage results should be very interesting. They are still using the AM Stereo "950" ID at the top of the hour, it's just that now to hear the stereo you need an HD Radio. Kerry..... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > But, given the HIGH price tags on these HD receivers, isn't it > > obvious that an AM MUSIC station would be committing suicide by > > going to IBOC? The vast majority of listeners will NOT be > > investing in HD radios anytime soon, and, in the interim, the 5 kHz > > bandwidth would just chase off all the listeners relying on analog > > tuners. (And AM music stations don't have many listeners to begin > > with...) > > The closest thing we have to a major-market AM IBOC music station > right now is 950 WPEN in Philadelphia. Formerly an AM Stereo station > for many years (they even ID'd on the air as "Stereo 95 AM"), they > began using IBOC a few weeks ago, which means their analog audio has > been reduced to 5 kHz mono during the daytime and ~5.7 kHz mono at > night (they use the Omnia 5-EX's "6 kHz" filter which is more of a > gradual roll-off starting at just above 5 kHz). > > As an Adult Standards music station, WPEN's ratings are still hanging > in there, but revenue has been declining over the years; their late > evening and overnight DJs were replaced with automation (not even > voice-tracking -- just generic liners between the songs), and their > weekend schedule is now filled up with infomercials, sporting events, > and other non-music programming. > > For years there has been speculation of WPEN switching to a talk or > sports format, but recently Greater Media has flipped their other > Adult Standards station -- the 1250 WMTR/1170 WWTR simulcast in > central & northern NJ -- to a revitalized "Classic Oldies" format > with an emphasis on pre-1964 rock'n'roll music, akin to the "Real > Oldies" format on 1530 WSAI and 1690 WRLL... so it would not be out > of the question for Greater Media to flip WPEN to a similar "Classic > Oldies" format. > > Besides the loss of AM Stereo and reduction of analog audio quality, > WPEN's use of IBOC is more of a risk in that they are only a 5 kW > Regional channel signal, situated alongside quite a few neighboring > stations, so there is a greater chance of interference complaints. > For listeners with less-selective receivers, it may even affect > nearby 920 WPHY, which is licensed to Trenton, NJ but is trying to > market itself as a Philadelphia station. > > And towards the West, there is 940 WADV in Lebanon, PA and 960 WILT > in Mt. Pocono, PA, which will surely have the dreaded "hash" from 950 > WPEN affecting their more distant listeners. (And WADV already has > it bad enough, with only 5 watts after sunset, fighting it out > against 50,000-watt "940 News" booming in from Canada every night!) From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Feb 24 08:10:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85924 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 16:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2004 16:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 16:10:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2004 16:09:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:09:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 248 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Phil R" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 Subject: Re: OT: Bullhits! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Kevin, I'm still chuckling over that one! Phil R. PEI Canada An IBOC free zone --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Off-topic, but too funny to pass up: > > http://hog.tzo.net/~ross/downloads/hits_fm.jpg From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 09:38:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62010 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 17:38:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2004 17:38:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 17:38:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2004 17:36:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:36:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1356 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: OT - HQ-129-X arrives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil R" wrote: > I'll add to my comments that in some cases stations who wish to use > IBOC by day ought to be required to further restrict their daytime > patterns if the use of IBOC would interfere with another station's > protected daytime contours. Actually, the more likely solution is to reduce the level of the IBOC digital sidebands. Normally, the sidebands are transmitted at a level which fits the normal NRSC "mask". However, the FCC rules clearly state that in cases where harmful interference amongst stations occurs, the offending station may be required to conform to a transmission bandwidth mask that provided a greater amount of protection to adjacent channels than the NRSC standard. One example of where this could be applied is 560 WFIL in Philadelphia vs. 570 WMCA in New York City. The 0.5 mV/m protected coverage areas of these two 5000-watt Class B stations (both owned by Salem) overlap in central New Jersey. There is a large area in which both signals are received with equal signal strength. If one or both began to use IBOC, the interference would be seriously damaging to both WFIL's and WMCA's coverage area. In this case they either would have to reduce the transmitted level of the IBOC sidebands, or would not be allowed to use IBOC at all. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 09:47:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13138 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 17:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2004 17:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 17:46:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2004 17:45:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:45:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1455 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: IBOC analog audio really sounds like crap! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is the real world of AM Stereo, in a major market. I'm sorry to > say the listeners can't seem to tell the difference, and the loss of > stereo for those with analog radios does not seem to be a problem. But, my friend, this is a double-edged sword. If "none" of WPEN's listeners care about the loss of AM Stereo or analog bandwidth, then who is going to care about the gain of IBOC digital? Especially when they have to buy a $500+ radio -- still largely unavailable -- to receive it? > There just is not enough penetration in the market of AM Stereo > radios. It's not the prevalence of AM Stereo receivers that is in question; that is a given, considering how many of WPEN's elderly listeners are driving around in their Lincolns and Cadillacs with factory-equipped AM Stereo receivers. What is in question is, out of these listeners, who is going to notice the difference, and out of *those* listeners, who is going to bother to call the station to complain. Only a very small percentage of talk radio listeners ever call a talk station. For a music station, the amount is even smaller. And even out of those who have noticed WPEN's loss of AM Stereo and *would* call, how many are just waiting to see if it's a "problem" that is in the process of being "fixed"? FWIW, one of WPEN's sister stations, an FM music station, was playing their music in mono for over a month. They said I was the first one to complain. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 10:31:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24230 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 18:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2004 18:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 18:31:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2004 18:29:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:29:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 244 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: WPTR moving to FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics According to this week's Northeast Radio Watch, 50,000-watt "Legends 1540" WPTR in Albany, NY is moving to 96.7 WDCD in Clifton Park, NY. 1540 will become religious WDCD, while 96.7 becomes WPTR. The change will be taking place March 1st. From g7ltt@g7ltt.com Tue Feb 24 11:06:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: g7ltt@g7ltt.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21551 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 19:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2004 19:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earth.g7ltt.com) (68.196.133.125) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 19:06:05 -0000 Received: from g7ltt.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.g7ltt.com (8.12.9-20030917/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1OJ5il3010000 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:05:44 -0500 Received: from 63.88.139.130 (SquirrelMail authenticated user g7ltt); by 127.0.0.1 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:05:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <14131.63.88.139.130.1077649544.squirrel@63.88.139.130> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:05:44 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.196.133.125 From: "Mark Phillips" Reply-To: g7ltt@g7ltt.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC analog audio really sounds like crap! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10386607 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc2eni Or perhaps it speaks to the amount of AM listeners and the type of AM listers they have. In my experience most radio listeners are not like us here in these forums. They want the news and weather and maybe a tune or 2 but its just a noise to them. AM radio seems to be the realm of the commuter and workplace where electrical noise levels are high and so is the environment. An ideal time to test WPEN will be at the SWLFest in Kulpsville (second weekend in March). I invited WPEN to do a demonstration of their IBOC system but they couldn't be bothered to get back to me. Seems that they could care less about listeners. Mark, G7LTT Kerry Richards said: > The initial reports we have heard are quite positive for WPEN, by the > way it is a major market station. > > They have had no complaints about the HD radio carriers. So > apparently no one noticed when they switched. They have had two, > that's TWO complaints about the loss of stereo from listeners in > cars. I think one of the complaints was from Kevin here.... > > What does this mean? In the real world basically almost no one > noticed the HD carriers. The other thing here to notice is that they > recieved no complaints about reduced analog bandwidth. This really > tells the tale. There are fewer wideband radios in use than most of > us think. And, more importantly, the reduced audio bandwidth with > good audio processing is not as noticible as many would like to think. > > The only real problem for them has been the air talent having to get > used to the studio output in their headsets instaed of air which is > now 8 seconds behind. > > I have not had time to get to Philly with an HD radio to see how it > sounds, but I will soon. > > This is the real world of AM Stereo, in a major market. I'm sorry to > say the listeners can't seem to tell the difference, and the loss of > stereo for those with analog radios does not seem to be a problem. > There just is not enough penetration in the market of AM Stereo > radios. > > If WOR is operating with about 1700 watts of HD carriers and we are > at 50kw, then WPEN with 5kw those HD carriers must only be around 170 > watts, in other words not much. It's amazing how far they travel > though.....IBOC coverage results should be very interesting. > > They are still using the AM Stereo "950" ID at the top of the hour, > it's just that now to hear the stereo you need an HD Radio. > > Kerry..... > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: >> > But, given the HIGH price tags on these HD receivers, isn't it >> > obvious that an AM MUSIC station would be committing suicide by >> > going to IBOC? The vast majority of listeners will NOT be >> > investing in HD radios anytime soon, and, in the interim, the 5 > kHz >> > bandwidth would just chase off all the listeners relying on analog >> > tuners. (And AM music stations don't have many listeners to begin >> > with...) >> >> The closest thing we have to a major-market AM IBOC music station >> right now is 950 WPEN in Philadelphia. Formerly an AM Stereo > station >> for many years (they even ID'd on the air as "Stereo 95 AM"), they >> began using IBOC a few weeks ago, which means their analog audio > has >> been reduced to 5 kHz mono during the daytime and ~5.7 kHz mono at >> night (they use the Omnia 5-EX's "6 kHz" filter which is more of a >> gradual roll-off starting at just above 5 kHz). >> >> As an Adult Standards music station, WPEN's ratings are still > hanging >> in there, but revenue has been declining over the years; their late >> evening and overnight DJs were replaced with automation (not even >> voice-tracking -- just generic liners between the songs), and their >> weekend schedule is now filled up with infomercials, sporting > events, >> and other non-music programming. >> >> For years there has been speculation of WPEN switching to a talk or >> sports format, but recently Greater Media has flipped their other >> Adult Standards station -- the 1250 WMTR/1170 WWTR simulcast in >> central & northern NJ -- to a revitalized "Classic Oldies" format >> with an emphasis on pre-1964 rock'n'roll music, akin to the "Real >> Oldies" format on 1530 WSAI and 1690 WRLL... so it would not be out >> of the question for Greater Media to flip WPEN to a > similar "Classic >> Oldies" format. >> >> Besides the loss of AM Stereo and reduction of analog audio > quality, >> WPEN's use of IBOC is more of a risk in that they are only a 5 kW >> Regional channel signal, situated alongside quite a few neighboring >> stations, so there is a greater chance of interference complaints. >> For listeners with less-selective receivers, it may even affect >> nearby 920 WPHY, which is licensed to Trenton, NJ but is trying to >> market itself as a Philadelphia station. >> >> And towards the West, there is 940 WADV in Lebanon, PA and 960 WILT >> in Mt. Pocono, PA, which will surely have the dreaded "hash" from > 950 >> WPEN affecting their more distant listeners. (And WADV already has >> it bad enough, with only 5 watts after sunset, fighting it out >> against 50,000-watt "940 News" booming in from Canada every night!) > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- Mark Phillips, G7LTT/KC2ENI Randolph, NJ http://www.g7ltt.com/ -- Mark Phillips, G7LTT/KC2ENI Randolph, NJ http://www.g7ltt.com/ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 11:15:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88674 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 19:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2004 19:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 19:15:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20040224191444.43999.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.27.226] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:14:44 PST Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:14:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1077620108.2051.43135.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.41 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes I like AM$ too and enjoy the lists but we dont have AM$ in NZ but still can listen to platform motion at night and dxing and wideband sound and the alfeldo lite which works like a charm. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Message: 9 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:29:47 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Davidson Subject: allegiances I haven't contributed to the implosion of the Forum - because I like it! Living in Melbourne - there is not much that I can regularly contribute to any AMS list as nothing changes much. But I love AMS so much and am as committed as ever. Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From krichards@wor710.com Tue Feb 24 11:55:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44852 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 19:55:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2004 19:55:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 19:55:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2004 19:54:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:54:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3452 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 141.155.153.214 Subject: Re: IBOC analog audio really sounds like crap! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Where do you get your data? While you might be correct about the older demographic having more AM Stereo radios in their upscale cars you are quite wrong about the audience being vocal. It's a known fact that the older demo is quite vocal about anything surrounding the radio stations they listen to. A good point in case is what happens when they have an issue with a product or spot. We have a whole listener services department here at WOR that takes calls all day long on various aspects of our programming and advertising. I have no idea how WPEN deals with listener complaints. My remarks were made on what I had heard through the grapvine via one of Ibiquity's engineers when I asked how things were going at WPEN. WPEN is a very succesful operation, especially when they do a remote, they draw big crowds. So I'll chalk up your answer to the fact you do not work in radio, and do not understand this sometimes quite difficult aspect of the business. As far as them running mono on FM if it is the same station I am thinking of, at the time Greater Media was moving the facility, and had audio and server issues, I'm not surprised. If anything, this older demo will probably buy the new table top HD radios coming. There is going to be a big marketing push soon, and like the previous wave radios, stations like WPEN will probably sell hundreds of these new HD radios. Again, I am more curious how the 170 watts of IBOC carriers will do in Center City Philadelphia where WPEN can be quite noisy. Here the digital advantage should prove itself. Also, I wonder what the station will sound like driving near the trackless trolley lines that still run in Philly. AM radio is reduced to an annoying buzz anywhere around these trolley lines. It will be interesting to see if HD can cut through this. Kerry........... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > This is the real world of AM Stereo, in a major market. I'm sorry to > > say the listeners can't seem to tell the difference, and the loss of > > stereo for those with analog radios does not seem to be a problem. > > But, my friend, this is a double-edged sword. If "none" of WPEN's > listeners care about the loss of AM Stereo or analog bandwidth, then > who is going to care about the gain of IBOC digital? Especially when > they have to buy a $500+ radio -- still largely unavailable -- to > receive it? > > > There just is not enough penetration in the market of AM Stereo > > radios. > > It's not the prevalence of AM Stereo receivers that is in question; > that is a given, considering how many of WPEN's elderly listeners are > driving around in their Lincolns and Cadillacs with factory- equipped > AM Stereo receivers. What is in question is, out of these listeners, > who is going to notice the difference, and out of *those* listeners, > who is going to bother to call the station to complain. > > Only a very small percentage of talk radio listeners ever call a talk > station. For a music station, the amount is even smaller. And even > out of those who have noticed WPEN's loss of AM Stereo and *would* > call, how many are just waiting to see if it's a "problem" that is in > the process of being "fixed"? > > FWIW, one of WPEN's sister stations, an FM music station, was playing > their music in mono for over a month. They said I was the first one > to complain. From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Feb 24 13:47:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74554 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 21:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2004 21:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 21:46:50 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1OLil8X069407 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:44:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <403BC44F.9040502@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:38:23 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC analog audio really sounds like crap! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Well I will chime in here... ***(discliamer I am not Slamming WOR and or its Engineering staff.. this report is fair and balanced just Like FOX News.) I live down this way..(near Phily 45 min) Exit 8a on the Turnpike. this is the half way point between NY and Philly. I made a visit to family in down near Cherry Hill today ,where I can listen to WPEN pretty well.. But I really could not hear the HASH.. Like I can from WOR. So I am thinking.. a) WPEN is Not running IBOC ? b) I don't know If you can control the output level of the IBOC and its turned way down.? c) The 170 watts of IBOC carrier is not enough to even be heard this way..?(which means that listening to Nothing on a Digital receiver making it useless) Compared to their Analog signal.. Therefore there must be a threshold point at which the IBOC signal starts to interfere.. apparently at 170 watts It does not interfere with adjacent Frequencies. Unless your on top of the WPEN transmitter.. Just Like when Ibiquity was testing at 100 watts from the test station in Warren. It bothered my listeners up that way On 1680. I even drove that route and found the Ibiquity transmitter just by driving around. For several miles near its transmitter It did a number on1680. After a few miles I barely knew it was there. Probably the same thing I am experiencing with WPEN..Unless I decide to drive near the WPEN transmitter site(which I did Not) I probably didn't notice it.. I personally would not have an IBOC complaint at least From Cherry Hill to WPEN except I did notice the change in the analog audio quality.This thought may have changed If I decided to drive closer to the WPEN site and Heard the HASH on adjacent stations. Judging by the WOR IBOC at 1700watts Its a Nightmare on adjacent frequencies... even at 70 Miles away. If the IBOC Carrier output can Be Controlled maybe Kerry and Tom can run this Test. Reduce the IBOC signal On WOR down To 170 watts and slowly bring it Up at 100 watt increments to see where that threshold point is.. So far from my basic Testing( listening to the station down in its area of coverage nothing fancy, no fancy radios, just the radio in My vans dash) WPEN's IBOC is Not a problem with My reception of any adjacent Stations.. However WOR is Hashing out my radio,.and that's a Problem since I used to Listen allot to 690 and 740. Neither Exist anymore on any of my AM receivers during daylight hours. I may be out of their contours here in NJ. however when I visit PA and or Long Island. I really don't appreciate hearing Hiss on WGSM or WPHE.. Even within their Contours Sorry Tom and Kerry. I am Only reporting what I am hearing . Still awaiting instructions for Thursdays SBE Meeting. Neal Kerry Richards wrote: >The initial reports we have heard are quite positive for WPEN, by the >way it is a major market station. > >They have had no complaints about the HD radio carriers. So >apparently no one noticed when they switched. They have had two, >that's TWO complaints about the loss of stereo from listeners in >cars. I think one of the complaints was from Kevin here.... > >What does this mean? In the real world basically almost no one >noticed the HD carriers. The other thing here to notice is that they >recieved no complaints about reduced analog bandwidth. This really >tells the tale. There are fewer wideband radios in use than most of >us think. And, more importantly, the reduced audio bandwidth with >good audio processing is not as noticible as many would like to think. > >The only real problem for them has been the air talent having to get >used to the studio output in their headsets instaed of air which is >now 8 seconds behind. > >I have not had time to get to Philly with an HD radio to see how it >sounds, but I will soon. > >This is the real world of AM Stereo, in a major market. I'm sorry to >say the listeners can't seem to tell the difference, and the loss of >stereo for those with analog radios does not seem to be a problem. >There just is not enough penetration in the market of AM Stereo >radios. > >If WOR is operating with about 1700 watts of HD carriers and we are >at 50kw, then WPEN with 5kw those HD carriers must only be around 170 >watts, in other words not much. It's amazing how far they travel >though.....IBOC coverage results should be very interesting. > >They are still using the AM Stereo "950" ID at the top of the hour, >it's just that now to hear the stereo you need an HD Radio. > >Kerry..... > > > > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." >wrote: > > >>>But, given the HIGH price tags on these HD receivers, isn't it >>>obvious that an AM MUSIC station would be committing suicide by >>>going to IBOC? The vast majority of listeners will NOT be >>>investing in HD radios anytime soon, and, in the interim, the 5 >>> >>> >kHz > > >>>bandwidth would just chase off all the listeners relying on analog >>>tuners. (And AM music stations don't have many listeners to begin >>>with...) >>> >>> >>The closest thing we have to a major-market AM IBOC music station >>right now is 950 WPEN in Philadelphia. Formerly an AM Stereo >> >> >station > > >>for many years (they even ID'd on the air as "Stereo 95 AM"), they >>began using IBOC a few weeks ago, which means their analog audio >> >> >has > > >>been reduced to 5 kHz mono during the daytime and ~5.7 kHz mono at >>night (they use the Omnia 5-EX's "6 kHz" filter which is more of a >>gradual roll-off starting at just above 5 kHz). >> >>As an Adult Standards music station, WPEN's ratings are still >> >> >hanging > > >>in there, but revenue has been declining over the years; their late >>evening and overnight DJs were replaced with automation (not even >>voice-tracking -- just generic liners between the songs), and their >>weekend schedule is now filled up with infomercials, sporting >> >> >events, > > >>and other non-music programming. >> >>For years there has been speculation of WPEN switching to a talk or >>sports format, but recently Greater Media has flipped their other >>Adult Standards station -- the 1250 WMTR/1170 WWTR simulcast in >>central & northern NJ -- to a revitalized "Classic Oldies" format >>with an emphasis on pre-1964 rock'n'roll music, akin to the "Real >>Oldies" format on 1530 WSAI and 1690 WRLL... so it would not be out >>of the question for Greater Media to flip WPEN to a >> >> >similar "Classic > > >>Oldies" format. >> >>Besides the loss of AM Stereo and reduction of analog audio >> >> >quality, > > >>WPEN's use of IBOC is more of a risk in that they are only a 5 kW >>Regional channel signal, situated alongside quite a few neighboring >>stations, so there is a greater chance of interference complaints. >>For listeners with less-selective receivers, it may even affect >>nearby 920 WPHY, which is licensed to Trenton, NJ but is trying to >>market itself as a Philadelphia station. >> >>And towards the West, there is 940 WADV in Lebanon, PA and 960 WILT >>in Mt. Pocono, PA, which will surely have the dreaded "hash" from >> >> >950 > > >>WPEN affecting their more distant listeners. (And WADV already has >>it bad enough, with only 5 watts after sunset, fighting it out >>against 50,000-watt "940 News" booming in from Canada every night!) >> >> > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 16:00:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67004 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 00:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 00:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 00:00:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2004 23:59:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:59:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1744 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.19 Subject: Re: WPEN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > My remarks were made on what I had heard through the grapevine via > one of Ibiquity's engineers when I asked how things were going at > WPEN. And do you expect this to be an unbiased and accurate source of information? It's perhaps not as biased as, say, Leonard Kahn, but we have to remember that the ENTIRE BASIS of what allows iBiquity's system to be accepted by the consumer on their existing receiver is that "nobody cares about wideband analog AM Stereo"-- therefore would we ever expect iBiquity to admit the flaws in that generalization? iBiquity already nearly put themselves out of business trying to pretend that PAC at 36 kbps can deliver acceptable audio quality. > WPEN is a very succesful operation, especially when they do a > remote, they draw big crowds. A big crowd at a remote doesn't generate ratings and revenue. Time and time again, there have been stations which received tremendously favorable listener response, but ultimately tanked because of the lack of revenue -- or were abandoned for more lucrative prospects even when things were still going okay, such as NYC's own "American Popular Standards" on WQEW. > As far as them running mono on FM if it is the same station I am > thinking of, at the time Greater Media was moving the facility, and > had audio and server issues, I'm not surprised. The station was "Magic 98.3" WMGQ, which continues to play their music from CD and liners/commercials from carts (I heard an 8 kHz cueing tone slip through on the air just the other day). The problem was a configuration mistake on their unusually large and complex audio console (they use an audio board intended for TV production; you can get dizzy counting all the switches and dials). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 17:01:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92482 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 01:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 01:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 01:01:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2004 01:01:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:01:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <403BC44F.9040502@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2924 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.19 Subject: Re: WPEN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I live down this way..(near Phily 45 min) Exit 8a on the Turnpike. > this is the half way point between NY and Philly. > I made a visit to family in down near Cherry Hill today ,where > I can listen to WPEN pretty well.. But I really could not hear the > HASH.. Like I can from WOR. 950 WPEN is indeed using IBOC from sunrise to sunset. However, as compared to WOR, they are definitely running their digital sidebands at a lower level. The iBiquity exciter offers at least two levels of IBOC digital sideband insertion: a higher level which provides better digital mode coverage, but causes more hiss and "hash"; and a level that is a few dB lower, which sacrifices some digital coverage but is less annoying to listeners with wideband analog radios and causes less interference to adjacent channels. Since WPEN is using the lower level, it may be presumed that they figure at least _some_ of their listeners are using wideband radios and would be bothered with the constant background hiss if the digital sidebands were at a higher level. And because of this, WPEN is causing noticeably less interference to neighboring channels than WOR, as you notice. The "hash" is certainly still there, but it's not to the point where it comes out LOUDER than the main analog signal itself if you tune in one of the adjacent channels. (Many times when I'm tuned to 710 AM and I hit the Seek button on my car radio, it stops at 720 kHz because of the "hash", rather than properly seeking to the next station.) And I'll agree with Kerry that WPEN's analog audio doesn't sound too bad for 5 kHz mono -- but that's all it is, a low-fidelity signal with half the bandwidth they were using before, and of course no more analog AM Stereo. And I've still heard shortwave stations with 5 kHz audio that sounds better, so WPEN's audio is nothing to write home about. It seems they are still following the NRSC pre-emphasis curve, which is basically no pre-emphasis at all when it's chopped off at 5 kHz -- so compared to any full-bandwidth AM station, they sound noticeably duller and "quieter". I've noticed this same problem with 1030 WBZ, even at night when they have the IBOC turned off. Their 5 kHz mono audio sounds very wimpy compared to the full- quality audio they used to have (even without AM Stereo). p.s. One final note -- yes, IBOC can be considered as another form of "AM Stereo". However, this is akin to calling a Compact Disc a "record". Yes, it still fits the definition of "a disc used to store recorded audio", but just like calling IBOC "AM Stereo", it's not what the system's proponents are calling it, it's not what most people are referring to it as, and it just doesn't sound right. You wouldn't catch any vinyl enthusiasts calling a CD a "record", so I doubt there will be (m)any analog radio enthusiasts calling IBOC (or "HD Radio", if you will) "AM Stereo". From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Feb 24 17:25:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86868 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 01:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 01:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.110) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 01:25:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:25:03 -0800 Received: from 172.139.179.65 by bay99-dav6.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:25:02 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: , Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:07:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2004 01:25:03.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[31732640:01C3FB3E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.110 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.139.179.65] Subject: Off Topic: Radio just got a little better in Tampa, FL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From http://www2.allaccess.com/ UPDATE: There are some additional details on the firing of morning legend BUBBA THE LOVE SPONGE from CLEAR CHANNEL Rocker WXTB (98 ROCK)/TAMPA yesterday evening, as first reported on ALL ACCESS (NET NEWS 2/23). WXTB, WMTX, WTBT, WHNZ-A VP/GM DAN DI LORETO issued the following statement: "CLEAR CHANNEL radio stations WXTB/TAMPA, WJRR/ORLANDO, and WPLA/JACKSONVILLE have ended their contractual relationship with the BUBBA RADIO NETWORK, which provides the BUBBA THE LOVE SPONGE SHOW. We recognize the importance of understanding and airing content that is consistent with the standards and sensibilities of the local communities we serve. After conducting a review of the BUBBA THE LOVE SPONGE SHOW, we concluded the show will no longer be carried in our markets. CLEAR CHANNEL RADIO CEO JOHN HOGAN supports the decisions of our local managers in FLORIDA." Speaking of HOGAN, it appears he will be a witness before the House Telecommunications Subcommittee's indecency hearing on THURSDAY (2/26), although the other individuals to testify will come from the TV side of the business. For local coverage in the ST. PETERSBURG TIMES, just click here, and for coverage in the TAMPA TRIBUNE please, click here. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOWARD STERN says he has a meeting scheduled with VIACOM boss MEL KARMAZIN on MARCH 8. STERN, on TUESDAY's show (2/24), implied that the meeting would address KARMAZIN's recent anti-indecency edict and idly threatened to walk in and submit his resignation to go work in satellite radio. "We lost the fight, they win," STERN said of the indecency battle in WASHINGTON. STERN, initially thinking the meeting was this coming MONDAY (3/1), counted down the days and said "MONDAY is my last show... we're not gonna even get to VEGAS," referring to a planned trip for the show. After hearing that some of today's comments were bleeped, STERN muttered "I am so out of here." STERN's take on BUBBA THE LOVE SPONGE's firing: "He should be fired because he sucks -- he's a ripoff artist." STERN added that "if you want to get some guys fired as a goof, tape the shows and when there's something the slightest bit raunchy, send it to COLIN POWELL's son ... in fact, do it to me." STERN went on to suggest that President BUSH is to blame and is "mentally ill," and told a caller to send e-mails to Congress and the Senate supporting free speech. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 17:58:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53987 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 01:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 01:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 01:58:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2004 01:57:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:57:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 446 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.19 Subject: WPEN: another engineer's view X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the Philadelphia radio-info.com message board: "WPEN. This station plays a nice mix of adult standards. The only downsides are the brokered programming on the weekends and the horrible audio quality resulting from the IBOC tests." Also, this peron who posted that has a web page devoted to WP3XEN, the 10,000-watt experimental station run by WPEN in 2003, which I have never heard of before: http://home.att.net/~k2pg/WP3XENpage.htm From krichards@wor710.com Tue Feb 24 18:37:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1314 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 02:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 02:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 02:37:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2004 02:37:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:37:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <403BC44F.9040502@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 9099 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Re: IBOC analog audio really sounds like crap! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 I have no idea what level they are running the HD carriers at, it is adjustable. But I took a guess at 170 watts since ours is approx. 1700 watts with 50kw. I would think Cherry Hill should be able to get good HD coverage from WPEN. One thing about south Jersey and environs, look at the WOR pattern and think of the ERP that way...it's tremendous, and with good ground conductivity...well that say's it all. I would also think that WPEN's current site, very old, and they have been trying to move it...well it is a distressed site. I have not heard the IBOC or analog since the cutover, but my Hummer has a lousy AM radio....going to take an HD radio down there soon. Tom should have the instructions on how to get into 4 Times Square tommorow...it's a high security site, they are trying to figure how to get all of us up there. We went last week to check it out, it is really kool, now with the new tower and TV guys up there. Keep an eye on the SBE site for more details. Kerry... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > Well I will chime in here... > > ***(discliamer I am not Slamming WOR and or its Engineering staff.. this > report is fair and balanced > just Like FOX News.) > > I live down this way..(near Phily 45 min) Exit 8a on the Turnpike. this > is the half way point between NY and Philly. > I made a visit to family in down near Cherry Hill today ,where I can > listen to WPEN pretty well.. But I really could not hear the HASH.. Like > I can from WOR. > So I am thinking.. > a) WPEN is Not running IBOC ? > b) I don't know If you can control the output level of the IBOC and its > turned way down.? > c) The 170 watts of IBOC carrier is not enough to even be heard this > way..?(which means > that listening to Nothing on a Digital receiver making it useless) > Compared to their Analog signal.. Therefore there must be a threshold > point at which the IBOC signal starts to interfere.. apparently at 170 > watts It does not interfere with adjacent > Frequencies. Unless your on top of the WPEN transmitter.. Just Like > when Ibiquity was testing at 100 watts from the test station in Warren. > It bothered my listeners up that way On 1680. > I even drove that route and found the Ibiquity transmitter just by > driving around. For several miles near its transmitter It did a number > on1680. After a few miles I barely knew it was there. > Probably the same thing I am experiencing with WPEN..Unless I decide to > drive near the WPEN transmitter site(which I did Not) I probably didn't > notice it.. I personally would not have an IBOC complaint at least From > Cherry Hill to WPEN except I did notice the change in the analog > audio quality.This thought may have changed If I decided to drive > closer to the WPEN site and Heard the HASH on adjacent stations. Judging > by the WOR IBOC at 1700watts Its a Nightmare on adjacent frequencies... > even at 70 Miles away. If the IBOC Carrier output can Be Controlled > maybe Kerry and Tom can run this Test. Reduce the IBOC signal On WOR > down To 170 watts and slowly bring it Up at 100 watt increments to see > where that threshold point is.. So far from my basic Testing( listening > to the station down in its area of coverage nothing fancy, no fancy > radios, just the radio in My vans dash) > WPEN's IBOC is Not a problem with My reception of any adjacent > Stations.. However WOR is > Hashing out my radio,.and that's a Problem since I used to Listen allot > to 690 and 740. > Neither Exist anymore on any of my AM receivers during daylight hours. I > may be out of their contours here in NJ. however when I visit PA and or > Long Island. I really don't appreciate hearing Hiss on WGSM or WPHE.. > Even within their Contours Sorry Tom and Kerry. > I am Only reporting what I am hearing . > > Still awaiting instructions for Thursdays SBE Meeting. > Neal > > Kerry Richards wrote: > > >The initial reports we have heard are quite positive for WPEN, by the > >way it is a major market station. > > > >They have had no complaints about the HD radio carriers. So > >apparently no one noticed when they switched. They have had two, > >that's TWO complaints about the loss of stereo from listeners in > >cars. I think one of the complaints was from Kevin here.... > > > >What does this mean? In the real world basically almost no one > >noticed the HD carriers. The other thing here to notice is that they > >recieved no complaints about reduced analog bandwidth. This really > >tells the tale. There are fewer wideband radios in use than most of > >us think. And, more importantly, the reduced audio bandwidth with > >good audio processing is not as noticible as many would like to think. > > > >The only real problem for them has been the air talent having to get > >used to the studio output in their headsets instaed of air which is > >now 8 seconds behind. > > > >I have not had time to get to Philly with an HD radio to see how it > >sounds, but I will soon. > > > >This is the real world of AM Stereo, in a major market. I'm sorry to > >say the listeners can't seem to tell the difference, and the loss of > >stereo for those with analog radios does not seem to be a problem. > >There just is not enough penetration in the market of AM Stereo > >radios. > > > >If WOR is operating with about 1700 watts of HD carriers and we are > >at 50kw, then WPEN with 5kw those HD carriers must only be around 170 > >watts, in other words not much. It's amazing how far they travel > >though.....IBOC coverage results should be very interesting. > > > >They are still using the AM Stereo "950" ID at the top of the hour, > >it's just that now to hear the stereo you need an HD Radio. > > > >Kerry..... > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > >wrote: > > > > > >>>But, given the HIGH price tags on these HD receivers, isn't it > >>>obvious that an AM MUSIC station would be committing suicide by > >>>going to IBOC? The vast majority of listeners will NOT be > >>>investing in HD radios anytime soon, and, in the interim, the 5 > >>> > >>> > >kHz > > > > > >>>bandwidth would just chase off all the listeners relying on analog > >>>tuners. (And AM music stations don't have many listeners to begin > >>>with...) > >>> > >>> > >>The closest thing we have to a major-market AM IBOC music station > >>right now is 950 WPEN in Philadelphia. Formerly an AM Stereo > >> > >> > >station > > > > > >>for many years (they even ID'd on the air as "Stereo 95 AM"), they > >>began using IBOC a few weeks ago, which means their analog audio > >> > >> > >has > > > > > >>been reduced to 5 kHz mono during the daytime and ~5.7 kHz mono at > >>night (they use the Omnia 5-EX's "6 kHz" filter which is more of a > >>gradual roll-off starting at just above 5 kHz). > >> > >>As an Adult Standards music station, WPEN's ratings are still > >> > >> > >hanging > > > > > >>in there, but revenue has been declining over the years; their late > >>evening and overnight DJs were replaced with automation (not even > >>voice-tracking -- just generic liners between the songs), and their > >>weekend schedule is now filled up with infomercials, sporting > >> > >> > >events, > > > > > >>and other non-music programming. > >> > >>For years there has been speculation of WPEN switching to a talk or > >>sports format, but recently Greater Media has flipped their other > >>Adult Standards station -- the 1250 WMTR/1170 WWTR simulcast in > >>central & northern NJ -- to a revitalized "Classic Oldies" format > >>with an emphasis on pre-1964 rock'n'roll music, akin to the "Real > >>Oldies" format on 1530 WSAI and 1690 WRLL... so it would not be out > >>of the question for Greater Media to flip WPEN to a > >> > >> > >similar "Classic > > > > > >>Oldies" format. > >> > >>Besides the loss of AM Stereo and reduction of analog audio > >> > >> > >quality, > > > > > >>WPEN's use of IBOC is more of a risk in that they are only a 5 kW > >>Regional channel signal, situated alongside quite a few neighboring > >>stations, so there is a greater chance of interference complaints. > >>For listeners with less-selective receivers, it may even affect > >>nearby 920 WPHY, which is licensed to Trenton, NJ but is trying to > >>market itself as a Philadelphia station. > >> > >>And towards the West, there is 940 WADV in Lebanon, PA and 960 WILT > >>in Mt. Pocono, PA, which will surely have the dreaded "hash" from > >> > >> > >950 > > > > > >>WPEN affecting their more distant listeners. (And WADV already has > >>it bad enough, with only 5 watts after sunset, fighting it out > >>against 50,000-watt "940 News" booming in from Canada every night!) > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Feb 24 18:45:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20503 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 02:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 02:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 02:45:10 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i1P2j8Tb069045 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:45:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000001c3fb49$629656b0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:40:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT - HQ-129-X arrives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > Phil R. > > > > PEI Canada > > Canada - An IBOC free zone, where DAB is a flop... You're gonna think "IBOC Free ZONE" when it gets all fired up and WMVP (AM 1000) Chicago starts clobbering CFRB (AM 1010) with sideband junk. Believe me, the way stations are allocated in North America, you will not be "IBOC Free". From krichards@wor710.com Tue Feb 24 18:51:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36865 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 02:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 02:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 02:51:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2004 02:51:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:51:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3645 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Re: WPEN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 The data I got was from an unbiased engineer, if there were issues we would have been told so. You have a devious mind....it's really not like that, all the Ibiquity guys we deal with are really "down to earth" about all the issues. Sometimes you read too much into what you read, and hear. I think what you are hearing are the old carts that were sucked into the new digital audio server, cause as far as we know there are no more carts in the plant. But, I'll find out for you. I was thinking about the old WFLN FM that Greater Media got their hands on and the Fiasco in moving it into the City Line Avenue plant. Big turnouts at remotes work very well for business, remember we are in the advertising business, and when you fill a remote it is impressive. Especially to the paying client, we have had over 5 remotes this month at WOR, all sold out. Again speaking from experience here, remotes althougth somewhat old fashioned by today's standards are still big money makers. In case you did not know WQEW's downfall was money, operating expense, and the fact that Disney made an LMA offer over the station's GM direct to the Times Co. WQEW as I'm sure you would understand is a Disney "vanity" operation. Also keep in mind that WQEW and WQXR are union operations, it is expensive..... They basically make three times cash flow, with no expenses, all which are covered in the LMA. Ratings have little or nothing to do with it, you do not need high ratings to make a lot of money. The estimated highest billing station here in NYC is WFAN, no ratings but a lot of bucks...and so on. Why don't you come up to 4 Times Square Thurs nite, with Neal and meet all of us at the SBE? I'm sure you will learn a lot. Kerry........... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > My remarks were made on what I had heard through the grapevine via > > one of Ibiquity's engineers when I asked how things were going at > > WPEN. > > And do you expect this to be an unbiased and accurate source of > information? It's perhaps not as biased as, say, Leonard Kahn, but > we have to remember that the ENTIRE BASIS of what allows iBiquity's > system to be accepted by the consumer on their existing receiver is > that "nobody cares about wideband analog AM Stereo"-- therefore would > we ever expect iBiquity to admit the flaws in that generalization? > iBiquity already nearly put themselves out of business trying to > pretend that PAC at 36 kbps can deliver acceptable audio quality. > > > WPEN is a very succesful operation, especially when they do a > > remote, they draw big crowds. > > A big crowd at a remote doesn't generate ratings and revenue. Time > and time again, there have been stations which received tremendously > favorable listener response, but ultimately tanked because of the > lack of revenue -- or were abandoned for more lucrative prospects > even when things were still going okay, such as NYC's own "American > Popular Standards" on WQEW. > > > As far as them running mono on FM if it is the same station I am > > thinking of, at the time Greater Media was moving the facility, and > > had audio and server issues, I'm not surprised. > > The station was "Magic 98.3" WMGQ, which continues to play their > music from CD and liners/commercials from carts (I heard an 8 kHz > cueing tone slip through on the air just the other day). The problem > was a configuration mistake on their unusually large and complex > audio console (they use an audio board intended for TV production; > you can get dizzy counting all the switches and dials). From krichards@wor710.com Tue Feb 24 18:57:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59684 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 02:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 02:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 02:57:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2004 02:57:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:57:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1243 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Re: WPEN: another engineer's view X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 This work is part opf the process in trying to move WPEN, they had a construction permit from the FCC to use a 6 tower directional array at 50kw, but the neighborhood did not want the towers.....NIMBY syndrome. They are trying to find another place to move...it has turned into a nightmare for them, last I heard they might diplex on another array, and these studies might help in determining exactly where they can move to. There are also construction permits out for 640 Radio Disney to move in closer to Philly, but we hear they have met the same opposition. NIMBY again. This engineer is entitled to his opinions, just like Neal. He probably misses the analog stereo also. Kerry... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > From the Philadelphia radio-info.com message board: > > "WPEN. This station plays a nice mix of adult standards. The only > downsides are the brokered programming on the weekends and the > horrible audio quality resulting from the IBOC tests." > > Also, this peron who posted that has a web page devoted to WP3XEN, > the 10,000-watt experimental station run by WPEN in 2003, which I > have never heard of before: > > http://home.att.net/~k2pg/WP3XENpage.htm From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Feb 24 19:08:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79179 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 03:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 03:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 03:08:09 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1P388YD020977 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:08:08 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1P388DG000620 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:08:08 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1P38850000611 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:08:08 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <182GZX2Y>; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:08:08 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDB1A@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:08:06 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WPEN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 I hope Kevin you will take Kerry up on this amazing offer - 4 Times Square is the holy grail of TX sites and was very important in the recovery from 9/11 - please go and keep us informed! As this is not an IBOC related event it shouldn't conflict with your HD radio opinions. Here's some photos: http://www.fybush.com/site-031023.html Regards, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Kerry Richards [mailto:krichards@wor710.com] Sent: Wednesday, 25 February 2004 12:52 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WPEN Why don't you come up to 4 Times Square Thurs nite, with Neal and meet all of us at the SBE? I'm sure you will learn a lot. Kerry........... From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Feb 24 19:38:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45840 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 03:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 03:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 03:38:23 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1P3aL8X094758 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:36:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <403C166E.3090708@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:28:46 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WPEN: another engineer's view X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Yep that's a crazy situation trying to relocate an AM station you guys are lucky your only moving a few hundred yards....I have a CP. to move my station down toward the Phily area. do not know If it will happen or not. I sure hope not.as it will kill my target market. also I wonder what will happen Once My boss decides to experiment with IBOC on 1660 to as to what will happen on 1680. As to Missing the Stereo On WPEN.. I noticed it was gone,But then again I know they are playing with the IBOC. second...AM Stereo is a working Platform the the FCC really Goofed up with. Personally It sounds really good with My Music Format.. I feel I am complying with the Expanded band request of C-Quam. at least for my station. It was Running stereo. and they had an STA For turning it off for testing IBOC.. I feel that when the STA expired. as an expanded band station. I was obligated to turn it back on. WPEN is not in that same category. so who am I to say they should be in Stereo...However Even in the turn on of IBOC... I think all Expanded band Stations that said they would run C-Quam. should. Until the FCC says.. you have your Choice C-Quam or IBOC.. this they have not done as of yet.. If they have I would Like to see that in Black and white.. Hey I am one into experimenting something I have been doing since I was a teen. My parents always said I was "Either going to Blow up the house or burn it down" how many teens have their own 220V 200 amp service in their Bedrooms?? I did technology is great I hate Guys that have the " In theory it works" mentality I came from the Practical side "show me it works.. so far IBOC has not done that( only because of its daytime only status) so far in theory IBOC WORKS.. daytime ONLY on AM.. after Hundreds of stations get it working and the Noise floor Increases.. then lets see If its practical.. I am open minded as to this but time will tell. Digital does not always mean Better. I went to one of these Electronic stores and they had Digital Headphones.. I was wondering where the A/D converter was.. Does the headset Click on and off???? to be digital. since the human ear cannot decipher the on and off clicks....( is this Morse code) I have to laugh.. silly me.. Neal Kerry Richards wrote: >This work is part opf the process in trying to move WPEN, they had a >construction permit from the FCC to use a 6 tower directional array >at 50kw, but the neighborhood did not want the towers.....NIMBY >syndrome. > >They are trying to find another place to move...it has turned into a >nightmare for them, last I heard they might diplex on another array, >and these studies might help in determining exactly where they can >move to. > >There are also construction permits out for 640 Radio Disney to move >in closer to Philly, but we hear they have met the same opposition. >NIMBY again. > >This engineer is entitled to his opinions, just like Neal. He >probably misses the analog stereo also. > >Kerry... > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." >wrote: > > >>From the Philadelphia radio-info.com message board: >> >>"WPEN. This station plays a nice mix of adult standards. The only >>downsides are the brokered programming on the weekends and the >>horrible audio quality resulting from the IBOC tests." >> >>Also, this peron who posted that has a web page devoted to WP3XEN, >>the 10,000-watt experimental station run by WPEN in 2003, which I >>have never heard of before: >> >>http://home.att.net/~k2pg/WP3XENpage.htm >> >> > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 20:01:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6357 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 04:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 04:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 04:01:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2004 04:01:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:01:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2396 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.19 Subject: Re: WPEN: another engineer's view X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There are also construction permits out for 640 Radio Disney to > move in closer to Philly, but we hear they have met the same > opposition. NIMBY again. Actually, 640 WWJZ wants to move _farther away_ from Philly -- their current CP is to put up 9 towers (!) on the Berks County border and then blast away at Philly, Trenton, and the Jersey shore with 39,000 watts (down from their current 50 kW). This would put their TX site around 50 miles away from their city of license, but I guess the ERP is enough in that direction to meet the minimum signal requirements. WWJZ's nighttime signal, however, would stay at its current 950 watts from the existing 4-tower site in NJ. So, that would be a total of 13 towers and two different sites for one radio station -- that's a LOT of overhead for a station that only serves as an affiliate for Disney's "vanity" radio network. Their existing tower array could use some fine-tuning, though. Towards central NJ, all the treble in their audio is nearly out-of- phase, so unless you have a "forced stereo" receiver or purposely off-tune their signal, you are treated to an unusually muffled sound. I guess that is a classic symptom of a directional array that is not broad-banded, and thus wouldn't work well with analog AM Stereo and likely wouldn't work at all with IBOC. > This engineer is entitled to his opinions, just like Neal. He > probably misses the analog stereo also. ...As would anybody who knows it exists in the first place. It is an unquestionable flaw in the AM IBOC system that unless there is wide proliferation of IBOC receivers, it causes a net _loss_ of audio and signal quality to a station's listeners. This is different than FM IBOC, where virtually nobody can tell the difference if a station is using it. For example, 102.7 WNEW's IBOC has not seemed to affect the fringe- area reception of Philly's 102.9 WMGK by any significant amount, and 93.9 WNYC-FM's IBOC has not caused any noticeable harm to the signal of my own Part-15 transmitter on 93.5 MHz. I can hear the "whine" of the digital subcarriers if I off-tune a receiver, but with FM's capture effect, this is not nearly as descructive as AM IBOC's dreaded "hash". (Earlier IBOC tests on WNEW in 1999 used to cause a noticeable "buzzing bees" type of sound on 102.5 MHz, but with the current system, this is no longer the case.) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 20:20:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1281 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 04:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 04:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 04:20:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2004 04:20:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:20:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <403C166E.3090708@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1210 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.19 Subject: Re: Expanded Band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think all Expanded band Stations that said they would run C-Quam. > should. Until the FCC says.. you have your Choice C-Quam or IBOC.. > this they have not done as of yet.. If they have I would Like to > see that in Black and white.. Actually, the FCC does have it in black & white, in their preliminary IBOC ruling back in October 2002 -- this is from paragraph 41: "AM stations implementing IBOC digital transmissions may not simultaneously transmit analog C-QUAM AM Stereo. An AM Expanded Band station that implements IBOC transmissions is released from its commitment to operate in analog stereo." The wording is unfortunately rather vague... the FCC only calls it a "commitment", not a _requirement_, but clearly the implication is that any Expanded Band station which received a Stereo Preference in their allocation process is obligated to either broadcast in C-Quam AM Stereo or IBOC -- not plain analog AM mono. BTW, speaking of which, are there any Expanded Band stations which do NOT use a Harris DX-10 transmitter? I've never heard of one using any other kind of transmitter. I bet the folks at Harris were thinking "Ka-ching!" when the E.B. was first allocated in the mid-'90s! From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Feb 25 00:27:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77821 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 08:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 08:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 08:27:40 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-67-126-221-133.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.126.221.133]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i1P8Rdf54184; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:27:39 -0800 Message-ID: <002101c3fb78$8b78c160$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:22:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: X Band only X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that FCC should have made the hole AM band stereo prefrence or better yet mandated am stereo in to place . Boy the FCC scruded every budy on and for am band back then. I first started lessening to C-Quam am stereo about 1987 or 88 with my brad new Realistic TM 152 AM STEREO Price $59.00. Some of the stations sounded great and some did not . At the time thay had 50kw 10 mils from me it was KHWY AM 1030 it was a sceamer. Then thay turned to 10 Q 1030 rock and then dark off the air. Another was KTRB AM 860 50 kw from Modesto Ca now mono and owned by a fm talk from Fresno Ca yakaty yakty simocast talk about toe nails and skin lotion and crap like that insted of good old classic county. One guy said that it sounded crap. I told him well that it the cheepest on the shelf there where a lot more that was a lot more ecspenseve. See i can be long winded to . Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 25 00:57:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37135 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 08:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 08:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 08:57:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2004 08:57:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:57:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 243 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.19 Subject: 1470 WVOL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's something I like to see on a radio station web site: "Now Broadcasting In... AM STEREO" http://www.wvol1470.com/ Actually, WVOL has been on our list of stations for a while now... but it's nice to see them promoting their Stereo. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 25 01:08:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51401 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 09:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 09:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 09:08:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2004 09:08:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:08:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1872 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.126.221.133 Subject: Re: allegiances X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > I haven't contributed to the implosion of the Forum - because I like it! > > Living in Melbourne - there is not much that I can regularly contribute to > any AMS list as nothing changes much. > > But I love AMS so much and am as committed as ever. > > It disappoints me to see people backstabbing each other in the name of The > Cause. > > Many of us have been rubbed the wrong way with each other. But that's no > reason to set The Cause back. > > I may be stupid! But it seems to me that Kevin T's battle with WOR was > inevitable. And it was good that Kerry and Tom were there to provide the > answers. It's what we call rational. > > But it became irrational. > > And Kevin T almost went over the top fighting his guts out. He wouldn't > go to WOR which is a shame - but maybe there was a good reason. I don't > know what it is. > > But - nevertheless - Kevin T has been - and is - a wonderful warrior for > AMS. > > I want to keep this short. So I won't go into it much ... except say that > I love the people who should keep this cause alive ... > > Darwin (so good to have you back), Alex (of course), Chris (I'm a bit > worried), Johnny E (the power!), Jay (the nice guy) ... and all the rest - > you know who you are! > > (Dennis - I love you - but think your time on Bob's list is finite. You > should have seen what he said before you got there.) > > I think for the good of The Cause we should address most of our posts to > the Forum. It's still got 260 members! Think what we can do! > > But ... I'll of course go along with the majority if that's the way it > goes ... > > Ian > Melbourne Hi Ian Don't be to worryed about Chrus he has to be davoted to has famly and not much els. Been there did that two times its not fun. Jim Smith From stodd@vippn.com Wed Feb 25 06:37:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98758 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 14:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 14:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 14:37:06 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-192-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.192]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 99A7614E0A3 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:37:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003001c3fbad$824ffce0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:41:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Expanded Band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude All sorts of them- WKSH is using a Continental as are several others. I think a few more went with BE, just can't remember which ones offhand. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > BTW, speaking of which, are there any Expanded Band stations which > do NOT use a Harris DX-10 transmitter? I've never heard of one > using any other kind of transmitter. I bet the folks at Harris were > thinking "Ka-ching!" when the E.B. was first allocated in the > mid-'90s! From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Feb 25 06:54:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34232 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 14:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 14:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 14:54:01 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i1PErxMB004898 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 07:54:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001a01c3fbaf$346a82f0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <403C166E.3090708@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:54:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WPEN: another engineer's view X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > "Neal Newman" wrote: > Hey I am one into experimenting something I have been doing since I was > a teen. My parents always said I was "Either going to Blow up the house > or burn it down" how many teens have their own 220V 200 amp service in > their Bedrooms?? You're the only one I know of. What in the world did you have that required 220v 200amp service. 220 v 200 amp is the standard service around here for most households. Gimme the scoop... From krichards@wor710.com Wed Feb 25 12:54:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94593 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 20:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 20:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 20:54:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2004 20:54:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:54:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1162 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 141.155.153.214 Subject: Tour 4 Times Square in NYC Thursday nite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 To all who are interested: This month's SBE meeting is at one of the coolest places in Manhattan, the 4 Times Square facility atop the Conde Nast building in Times Square. It is Thursday nite 2/26. In case you are not aware, this has become the primary backup site for Empire, with a new tower, and now it is the main site for several FM's and DTV's. The SBE meeting and tour will take place starting at around 6PM, with food served and the actual meeting after the tour. We will probably be in the facility until 9PM or so. You need to RSVP Tom Ray at tomray@wor710.com and let him know you are coming, so your name can be put on the list and so security can get you in. Everyone is invited, and you will more than likely get to meet some of the major broadcast engineers here in NY that keep all your favorite stations on the air. We always have a lot of fun, and newcomers are always welcome. If you want to see the WOR studio plant I can arrange that before or after the event, just let me know, (krichards@wor710.com) we are right down the street from Conde Nast. Kerry Richards Chief Engineer WOR-AM Buckley Broadcasting Corporation From bratina501@msn.com Wed Feb 25 14:36:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28006 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 22:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 22:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 22:36:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2004 22:36:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:36:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 495 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.36 Subject: Re: IBOC analog audio really sounds like crap! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > > They are still using the AM Stereo "950" ID at the top of the hour, > it's just that now to hear the stereo you need an HD Radio. > > Kerry..... > Too bad all of the HD radio recievers are still overpriced and only avalible for cars. There are only two that I know of and they are both priced over $800. One type of reciever I would like to see is a portable one or a PCMCIA card for laptop computers. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Feb 25 17:02:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73922 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2004 01:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2004 01:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2004 01:02:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2004 01:02:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:02:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 87 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.18.124 Subject: Sony SRF-A300 MP3 samples ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Aksing again as previous post was delated has anyone samples of ams from this radio ? From roy.sandgren@telia.com Wed Feb 25 17:23:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20097 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2004 01:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2004 01:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO av4-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net) (81.228.9.111) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2004 01:23:48 -0000 Received: by av4-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 4EED4387B8; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:32:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp5.hy.skanova.net (smtp5.hy.skanova.net [195.67.199.134]) by av4-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E0E3B7C3; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:41:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from FOO (h15n1fls31o954.telia.com [217.210.132.15]) by smtp5.hy.skanova.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i1PLeGt4027058; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:40:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000201c3fbe8$37d387a0$0f84d2d9@telia.com> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@av4-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:38:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.228.9.111 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Amradio_The_radioship_sailing_for_=C5land_in_April?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Friends of free radio, due to expected interference in the area of population, 100m, from the ship at the pier, with 25 kw, we have to decrease the power to a low power. This is temporary, only. Anyway, you are welcome to listen to us and visit our ship. Special offers of advertising........... Best's from Roy Sandgren Radio Scandinavia 603 Here is some more........... http://www.amradio.se/index-e.html --- File has not been scanned Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.594 / Virus Database: 377 - Release Date: 2004-02-24 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Wed Feb 25 21:21:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70282 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2004 05:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2004 05:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2004 05:21:52 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-176-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.176]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 115A014E0D8 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:21:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005a01c3fc29$1cd844e0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDB1A@aubwm206> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:26:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WPEN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If I had the money I'd be out there in a heartbeat. Would be great to see both that and the WOR site, and possibly a side trip to see some of the folks from this list. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trim, Matthew L" > I hope Kevin you will take Kerry up on this amazing offer - 4 Times Square > is the holy grail of TX sites and was very important in the recovery from > 9/11 - please go and keep us informed! > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 25 23:02:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44522 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2004 07:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2004 07:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2004 07:02:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2004 07:02:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:02:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1288 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.2 Subject: Skip the Benz, buy an AM station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is no joke... 1050 WLYC in Williamsport, PA has sold for $55,000. Yes, an entire radio station was sold for less than the cost of a typical luxury car. WLYC has a decent 1000-watt daytime signal, and a peanut-whistle 30 watts at night, both non-directional. According to the documentation in the FCC database, this sale not only included the station itself, as well as its associated STL WPWJ276 on 948 MHz, but also all the station's equipment, including a 2.5 kW CSI transmitter, a separate 30-watt nighttime transmitter, a newly painted 220-ft tower on a 10-acre site, a total of four computers, broadcast software, a 1700-selection music library, Aphex and Symetrix audio processing equipment, and EAS gear -- and also a bunch of miscellaneous equipment, including 7 microphones, 2 filing cabinets, 4 telephones, 3 desks, 6 chairs, and even spare tubes for the transmitter. (No word on whether a partridge in a pear tree was also included, though.) One strange thing, though, is that WLYC's former owner, Williamsport Communications, paid $105,000 to acquire it in early 2002 -- and now has ended up selling it for half that much, two years later. Not an encouraging sign, I'd say, but without knowing more about WLYC and its history, I can't tell for sure. From atv69nj@yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 04:20:15 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Feb 26 05:11:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16388 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2004 13:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2004 13:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2004 13:11:59 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1QD9v2H091223 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:09:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <403DEDD3.5030605@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:00:03 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Skip the Benz, buy an AM station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 That station WLYC was one that Our Philip DeCadet was part of... They were looking for an Engineer But it was too far for me to travel. Hell at that price. I wish I knew. I would have bought the station. Neal Kevin T. wrote: >This is no joke... 1050 WLYC in Williamsport, PA has sold for >$55,000. Yes, an entire radio station was sold for less than the >cost of a typical luxury car. WLYC has a decent 1000-watt daytime >signal, and a peanut-whistle 30 watts at night, both non-directional. > >According to the documentation in the FCC database, this sale not >only included the station itself, as well as its associated STL >WPWJ276 on 948 MHz, but also all the station's equipment, including >a 2.5 kW CSI transmitter, a separate 30-watt nighttime transmitter, >a newly painted 220-ft tower on a 10-acre site, a total of four >computers, broadcast software, a 1700-selection music library, Aphex >and Symetrix audio processing equipment, and EAS gear -- and also a >bunch of miscellaneous equipment, including 7 microphones, 2 filing >cabinets, 4 telephones, 3 desks, 6 chairs, and even spare tubes for >the transmitter. (No word on whether a partridge in a pear tree was >also included, though.) > >One strange thing, though, is that WLYC's former owner, Williamsport >Communications, paid $105,000 to acquire it in early 2002 -- and now >has ended up selling it for half that much, two years later. Not an >encouraging sign, I'd say, but without knowing more about WLYC and >its history, I can't tell for sure. > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Feb 26 05:24:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83038 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2004 13:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2004 13:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2004 13:24:06 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1QDLg2H091459 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:21:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <403DF086.7090105@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:11:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WPEN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 So ATV99NJ are you going to attend the meeting???? are you the Guy on Ebay I see all the time? whats your name Im sure its not ATV and with that Nick I would assume you use the brookdale ATV repeater. is this Kenny? Neal atv69nj wrote: >I'm sure Kevin won't be there.. He is resided himself to his little >Part15 station activities and won't venture out to see the real >world. I think he is also afraid of getting a real world education of >what broadcasting is all about. > >Have fun with the Part15 stuff and your activities at the keyboard! > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > >>If I had the money I'd be out there in a heartbeat. Would be great >> >> >to see > > >>both that and the WOR site, and possibly a side trip to see some of >> >> >the > > >>folks from this list. >> >>Scott >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Trim, Matthew L" >> >> >> >>>I hope Kevin you will take Kerry up on this amazing offer - 4 >>> >>> >Times Square > > >>>is the holy grail of TX sites and was very important in the >>> >>> >recovery from > > >>>9/11 - please go and keep us informed! >>> >>> >>> > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From atv69nj@yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 05:50:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: atv69nj@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16383 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2004 13:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2004 13:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2004 13:50:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2004 13:50:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:50:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <403DF086.7090105@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2403 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "atv69nj" X-Originating-IP: 67.82.112.51 Subject: Re: WPEN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127038768 X-Yahoo-Profile: atv69nj Neal - No.. The name here is Nick and live in suburb just outside of Atlanta. I just made that comment after monitoring this forum for quite sometime and decided to comment. I've seen several people invite Kevin to there stations and he consistly refuses to attend. Why?? If I had the money as well, I would jump at the chance to attend both the WOR facility as well as the Times Square facility. My brother and I are coming to NYC this summer for vacation with other family members and hopefully I can get in touch with Tom Ray or Kerry about a tour of their facility. What do you think about a tour of WTTM sometime? How far is your site from NYC? Sorry for the comment but it just kills me to see Kevin talk so much about the operations of WOR and not take them up a chance to come to their facility. Thanks, Nick --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > So ATV99NJ are you going to attend the meeting???? > are you the Guy on Ebay I see all the time? > whats your name Im sure its not ATV and with that Nick I would assume > you use the brookdale ATV repeater. is this Kenny? > Neal > > atv69nj wrote: > > >I'm sure Kevin won't be there.. He is resided himself to his little > >Part15 station activities and won't venture out to see the real > >world. I think he is also afraid of getting a real world education of > >what broadcasting is all about. > > > >Have fun with the Part15 stuff and your activities at the keyboard! > > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > > > >>If I had the money I'd be out there in a heartbeat. Would be great > >> > >> > >to see > > > > > >>both that and the WOR site, and possibly a side trip to see some of > >> > >> > >the > > > > > >>folks from this list. > >> > >>Scott > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Trim, Matthew L" > >> > >> > >> > >>>I hope Kevin you will take Kerry up on this amazing offer - 4 > >>> > >>> > >Times Square > > > > > >>>is the holy grail of TX sites and was very important in the > >>> > >>> > >recovery from > > > > > >>>9/11 - please go and keep us informed! > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 08:15:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83288 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2004 16:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2004 16:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2004 16:15:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2004 16:15:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:15:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 771 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: An IBOC secret revealed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics After two years, one secret about iBiquity's "HD Radio" AM IBOC system is finally revealed: it is a matrixed system. That is, separate digital sidebands are used to carry the L+R (mono sum) and L-R (stereo difference) audio components, in a similar manner to analog AM Stereo. Naturally, the L+R ("Primary") sidebands are transmitted at a higher level and are more robust, enabling mono digital mode reception in areas where the lower-level L-R ("Secondary") sidebands cannot be received to produce stereo audio. The data rate for the L+R sidebands is 20 kbps, and the data rate for the L-R sidebands is 16 kbps, for a total of 36 kbps. For more information, see the article "'Tricks' of HD Radio(s) Revealed" by Glen Clark at: http://www.radioworld.com/ From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Feb 26 08:55:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4477 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2004 16:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2004 16:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2004 16:55:52 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1QGrn2H099237 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:53:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <403E2322.70603@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:47:30 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} An IBOC secret revealed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 If this is correct.. then I was right about 2 adjacent stations sharing a Digital channel would make the digital stereo useless.as per my example used months ago. 1660 and 1680 would share 1670 on the digital sideband. and unless both sidebands contain all the Digital data. Both stations would still be receiving MONO But in digital ( after reading the article I am not Correct). I had actually asked this question in front of everyone that attended the Ibiquity SBE meeting the night of the WOR tour. Ibiquitys answer back then with a room full of broadcast professionals. was" both sidebands contained. all the digital Information. so if you lost one sideband you could still receive stereo. But at half the bitrate". If what you are relaying is true that would explain why the Digital On 700 is louder( stronger) than it is On 720 ??? I will read the article and find out more. ok I read It. The way I read the article.. it says E1 and E6 contain the same data.. and E2-E5 lower sideband is E1= L+R E2= L-R and uppersideband E5=L-R and E6= L+R. Then Ibiquity is Correct both Sidebands Do contain the same data at Half the bitrate However I laugh when Glen says"Generally, cuts with tambourines or cymbals are poor choices because they create a lot of midrange energy that can mask coloration created in the transmission system." what a load of crap that is... its these upper frequencys where you hear the Digital Essing... (artifacts)at low bitrates. Once they Correct the coding to get the highs correct. then they may have a good system. so show Me a drum kit in Commercial music where the drummer Does not play the high hat and cymbal and you will hear uncolored digital!! Kevin T. wrote: >After two years, one secret about iBiquity's "HD Radio" AM IBOC system >is finally revealed: it is a matrixed system. That is, separate >digital sidebands are used to carry the L+R (mono sum) and L-R (stereo >difference) audio components, in a similar manner to analog AM Stereo. > >Naturally, the L+R ("Primary") sidebands are transmitted at a higher >level and are more robust, enabling mono digital mode reception in >areas where the lower-level L-R ("Secondary") sidebands cannot be >received to produce stereo audio. The data rate for the L+R sidebands >is 20 kbps, and the data rate for the L-R sidebands is 16 kbps, for a >total of 36 kbps. > >For more information, see the article "'Tricks' of HD Radio(s) >Revealed" by Glen Clark at: > >http://www.radioworld.com/ > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From stodd@vippn.com Thu Feb 26 18:05:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8647 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 02:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2004 02:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 02:05:05 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-237-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.237]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 77E2D14E0A2 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:05:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007b01c3fcd6$cb1bbf20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:07:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Skip the Benz, buy an AM station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There always seem to be a few stations selling for prices like these during any given year. Only wish I had the cash to pick up one or two of them. I don't need to be a big broadcasting empire. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > This is no joke... 1050 WLYC in Williamsport, PA has sold for > $55,000. Yes, an entire radio station was sold for less than the > cost of a typical luxury car. From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Feb 26 23:05:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77244 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 07:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2004 07:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 07:05:21 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-68-122-181-206.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [68.122.181.206]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i1R75KR74804; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:05:20 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c3fcff$607bec20$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:00:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: KRML 1410 AM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was quite pleased to find a new am stereo station i have not seen on the list before. KRML 1410 AM STEREO JAZZ & BLUES RADIO Carmel Ca. Of corse i can't hear it because of moutoins and miles. But thay said thay will be webcasting soon. Thay allso simocast on to two fm's but the am is there mail station!!!!! Thats cool!!!!! Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Fri Feb 27 00:08:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92276 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 08:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2004 08:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 08:08:00 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1R87vKY021256 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:07:58 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:07:57 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: am stereo forum In-Reply-To: <000c01c3fcff$607bec20$c188fea9@jimsmith> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} KRML 1410 AM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, jimsmith wrote: > I was quite pleased to find a new am stereo station i have not seen on > the list before. KRML 1410 AM STEREO JAZZ & BLUES RADIO Carmel Ca. Of > corse i can't hear it because of moutoins and miles. But thay said thay > will be webcasting soon. Good one Jim At this time any news is good news. Let's hope they webcast in stereo. I heard a Herp Alpert track on Magic on the way home. There are times when you wonder if AMS is worth fighting for but some of those old instrumental tracks are sensational in stereo and make you realise that it would be terrible to lose it. As far as I'm concerned we should all fight on for AM stereo - rather than stupidly fighting amongst ourselves. Keep punching! Ian Melbourne From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 27 00:35:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49335 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 08:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2004 08:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 08:35:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2004 08:34:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:34:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1527 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.126.220.231 Subject: Re: {AMSF} KRML 1410 AM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, jimsmith wrote: > > > I was quite pleased to find a new am stereo station i have not seen on > > the list before. KRML 1410 AM STEREO JAZZ & BLUES RADIO Carmel Ca. Of > > corse i can't hear it because of moutoins and miles. But thay said thay > > will be webcasting soon. > > Good one Jim > > At this time any news is good news. Let's hope they webcast in stereo. > > I heard a Herp Alpert track on Magic on the way home. There are times > when you wonder if AMS is worth fighting for but some of those old > instrumental tracks are sensational in stereo and make you realise that it > would be terrible to lose it. > > As far as I'm concerned we should all fight on for AM stereo - rather than > stupidly fighting amongst ourselves. > > Keep punching! > > Ian > Melbourne Hi Ian Here Here Ian. I would much rather see the energy being put in to fighting for AM STEREO than pickering amugst our selfs. We would get a lot more done. I am still imbattleing a simi local am station a 100 miles from me . The legandery THE BIG 610 AM KFRC San Fransico Ca 5kw non di. i can get then 24-7 but there main focus is on there fm 99.7 wich i hardly get. Thay use to be in AM STEREO 1984 to 2000 and thay sounded great to in nice wide AM STEREO sound and every thing . I have one local AM STEREO station left adult standards KCTC AM STEREO 1320 thay sound great but there format is not mine.not Jim Smith From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 09:22:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7079 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 17:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2004 17:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 17:22:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2004 17:21:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:21:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 173 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Latest version of the "Alfredo Lite" C-Quam AM Stereo transmitter from Chris Cuff -- catch it while you can! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3081263610 From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Fri Feb 27 13:00:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56144 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 21:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2004 21:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.18) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 21:00:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:00:25 -0800 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by sea2-dav46.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:00:25 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:00:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2004 21:00:25.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8F8C290:01C3FD74] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.164.18 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I'd like mine to run of of AC. Do you have to Mod the alfredo to run on AC or just buy an adapter from chris. also I'd like to Take my alfredo down to the low end of the band for Carrier Current Operation(I will be getting or building a linear). Do I need to change anything besides the Crystal. I know the Xtal is 4x the b,cast freq. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 14:01:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4843 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 22:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2004 22:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 22:01:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20040227220103.56438.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.100] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:01:03 PST Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:01:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter at Powell's place! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW My new, modified one arrived today! Thanks Chris! Soon, testing AM stereo 1000 in New Mexico! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Feb 27 14:40:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12640 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 22:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2004 22:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 22:40:24 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.135]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:48:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c3fd82$6b1945a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:38:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are two things here- First, for AC operation, it involves adding an IC regulator and a filter cap- No big deal here. The main thing is that the supply to the Lite must NOT exceed 9 volts. You cannot use a plain wall wart ac adapter without also using the LM7809 regulator. The regulator also helps keep hum at a minimum. Now- as for low frequency B'casting, the RF coils and capacitors should be changed to match the freq range you are using. As supplied, The Lite works best at 870 to 1400, but up to 1710 is nearly as good with the present RF coils as-is. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 4:00 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay I'd like mine to run of of AC. Do you have to Mod the alfredo to run on AC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Fri Feb 27 17:05:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47860 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 01:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2004 01:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 01:05:30 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-88-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.88]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BCE014E0C3 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:05:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001801c3fd97$a45db700$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:10:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KRML 1410 AM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If only stations would still AIR Herb Alpert tracks over here! Nobody seems to air anything purely instrumental anymore- too afraid of turning off female listeners. (For the uninitiated- chicks tend to like music with a "message." It seems to be a mostly male phenominon that we can enjoy good music for its own sake.) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- > I heard a Herp Alpert track on Magic on the way home. There are times > when you wonder if AMS is worth fighting for but some of those old > instrumental tracks are sensational in stereo and make you realise that it > would be terrible to lose it. > From tomray@wor710.com Fri Feb 27 19:33:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61846 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 03:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2004 03:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 03:33:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2004 03:33:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 03:33:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 927 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: WPEN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > The iBiquity exciter offers at least two levels of IBOC digital > sideband insertion: a higher level which provides better digital mode > coverage, but causes more hiss and "hash"; and a level that is a few > dB lower, which sacrifices some digital coverage but is less annoying > to listeners with wideband analog radios and causes less interference > to adjacent channels. In actuality, the carrier levels are infinately adjustable, FYI. You can set up to remotely switch between two levels. And we were testing a few weeks ago. "Sacrifices some digital coverage" is an understatement. Running the carriers at -6dB (1/2 power.....this is measured as a voltage ratio) reduces WOR's digital coverage by a full 25%. Running with the sidebands tilted (ie, one carrier at -6, the other at 0) makes the signal less robust. TR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 00:14:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87163 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 08:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2004 08:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 08:14:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2004 08:14:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:14:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 626 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.7 Subject: 1520 WWKB skywave map X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics "KB-1520" is one of the few stations with one of these on their web site: http://www.kb1520.com/history/photos/coverage_night.gif If we could get a similar skywave contour map for 1530 WSAI, it would be interesting to merge the two and plot the area in which WWKB is most likely to be affected by WSAI's ongoing nighttime IBOC tests. Here in NJ, the "hash" can get pretty bad, so I'm sure for listeners closer to WSAI in the mid-Atlantic states, WWKB might be rendered completely unlistenable at times -- as luck would have it, probably right in the middle of one of Jack Armstrong's fantastic high-energy spiels. From stodd@vippn.com Sat Feb 28 04:57:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97747 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 12:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2004 12:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 12:57:38 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-157-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.157]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CD2914E09F for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 06:57:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001301c3fdfb$20ae0540$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:02:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1520 WWKB skywave map X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I take it they're regularly heard on the other side of the pond, as the British would say? Nice steep null towards Waterloo IA. Thanks for bringing this bit of trivia to our attention. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > "KB-1520" is one of the few stations with one of these on their web > site: > > http://www.kb1520.com/history/photos/coverage_night.gif > > If we could get a similar skywave contour map for 1530 WSAI, it would > be interesting to merge the two and plot the area in which WWKB is > most likely to be affected by WSAI's ongoing nighttime IBOC tests. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 06:57:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40503 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 14:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2004 14:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 14:57:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20040228145742.49192.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 06:57:42 PST Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 06:57:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1520 WWKB skywave map X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > "KB-1520" is one of the few stations with one of > these on their web > site: http://www.kb1520.com/history/photos/coverage_night.gif > > If we could get a similar skywave contour map for > 1530 WSAI, it would > be interesting to merge the two and plot the area in > which WWKB is > most likely to be affected by WSAI's ongoing > nighttime IBOC tests. > Here in NJ, the "hash" can get pretty bad, so I'm > sure for listeners > closer to WSAI in the mid-Atlantic states, WWKB > might be rendered > completely unlistenable at times -- as luck would > have it, probably > right in the middle of one of Jack Armstrong's > fantastic high-energy > spiels. The National Radio Club has a night pattern book. Where I am I get very little from WWKB being in Columbia, SC the middle of the state.....BUT....I'd hate to be the local 1520 daytimer here in my hometown. If WSAI and WLAC run IBOC full time, they may as well sign off. WSAI clobbers WKMG in the early morning IF they remember to turn on the IBOC. Powell Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sat Feb 28 09:07:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38316 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 17:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2004 17:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm6.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 17:07:52 -0000 Received: from user-3435.l2.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.173.107] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm6.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ax7wN-0006ES-AU for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:07:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:06:45 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.22 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: WLYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Seems like the recent owners spent some money. The station had a local contract engineer however the people that took the station over from us did not pay his bill. I imagine he refused to continue working for them or others after. When I was involved with the station studio premises were rented and there was no STL installed. We were running a PC at the TX site while starting to put a studio together. That old CSI required a pile of work to get this, previously dark station going including some new tubes. I ripped out a pile of junk they called processing and just wired and set up a basic Inovonnics 235. That cleaned things up somewhat. Daytime listening at the 50 mile mark on that regional clear channel was not a problem with 1Kw and just under a 90deg stick. I junked the 60w LPB and brought over a 'real' low power rig from here in the UK; http://www.transmittersrus.com/shop/radica50am.htm This PWM rig doubled the 38w night coverage and multiplied the quality 10 X. My partners and I did not have sufficient funds to take the old girl into profitability but at least we put this heritage station back on the air. I hope she stays there. I'm ready for the next project but this time with better funding. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Feb 28 10:00:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33091 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 18:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2004 18:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 18:00:16 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-201.iquest.net [209.43.58.201]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i1SI0Cjg095972 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:00:15 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000801c3fe24$b8021d90$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:00:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1520 WWKB skywave map X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > "KB-1520" is one of the few stations with one of these on their web > site: > > http://www.kb1520.com/history/photos/coverage_night.gif > If you look at the KB plot on the map, you will see the null to the west, which protects fellow co-channel Class A KOMA in Oklahoma City. KOMA also has a sharp null to the east protecting WWKB. Therefore, there are a few class B's with very little noise platform jammed in between Buffalo and Ok. City. One of those is WKWH in Shelbyville Indiana... which is about 70 miles ENE of WSAI. Believe me, when WSAI is doing night testing of their IBOC, they obliterate WWKB at my house (20 miles SW of Shelbyville, IN) and even in downtown Shelbyville you can hear the hash at night. I realize that WKWH receives no co-channel protection since they are a class B on a Class A frequency, but they should not be obliterated by a 1st adjacent sideband hash. This scenario will play out all over America if IBOC is allowed to continue/progress. I won't argue any other issues regarding the quality of audio and if something comes along that will result in better quality audio and less static that plagues the AM band, then I say let's ditch C-Quam and move on. But IBOC is not acceptable just based on the sideband interference issue alone. Look at the mess WOR and WLW will create on the dial. Both will loose substantial coverage in their secondary contour. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 10:08:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76790 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 18:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2004 18:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 18:08:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20040228180800.79649.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:08:00 PST Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:08:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801c3fe24$b8021d90$6501a8c0@jimspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: IBOC and skywave ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jim Burgan wrote: One of those is WKWH in > Shelbyville Indiana... which > is about 70 miles ENE of WSAI. Believe me, when > WSAI is doing night testing > of their IBOC, they obliterate WWKB at my house (20 > miles SW of Shelbyville, > IN) and even in downtown Shelbyville you can hear > the hash at night. Supposedly you can hear it on the station monitors. > But IBOC is not acceptable just based on the > sideband interference issue > alone. > Look at the mess WOR and WLW will create on the > dial. Both will loose > substantial coverage in their secondary contour. WLW was even receiving considerable interference within some of it's primary coverage when WOR turned on IBOC at 6. Not every morning, but this does not bode well. 50KW stations with a 10 mile range at night...or less. With WLAC's skywave so dominant here (it has city grade or better skywave strength) [ yes I had a FIM for awhile!] and I expect with a correctly designed AM section and IBOC I might have better luck with WLAC than some other LOCAL stations. Powell Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Feb 28 14:03:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38736 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 22:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2004 22:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 22:03:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2004 22:03:01 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13251 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 18:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2004 18:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m16.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.206) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 18:33:06 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.c6.28b8d078 (4459) for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:33:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:33:03 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.138.206 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT - HQ-129-X arrives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Feb 2004 22:02:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 Not only would IBOC on CJCH cause interference to CKDH 900, but also to CHNS 960. We have that problem in St. Louis, where KFUO's IBOC sidebands (from 850) interfere with WCBW 880. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 IBOC SUCKS...AM and FM Radio MUST REMAIN ANALOG ONLY! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Feb 28 14:03:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86364 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 22:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2004 22:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 22:03:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2004 22:03:20 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23710 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 19:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2004 19:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 19:59:37 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.11.23ae4609 (16930) for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 14:59:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <11.23ae4609.2d724d21@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 14:59:29 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.138.204 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1520 WWKB skywave map X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Feb 2004 22:03:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 Another station it has to protect is KRHW Sikeston, MO. This station was, for the longest time, KMPL. The station operates with 5,000 watts during the day and 500 watts at night. Their night pattern is sent straight toward the St. Louis area, making it the dominant station in this area at night (even KOMA is no longer heard clearly at night). KRHW currently broadcasts a Classic Country format, augmented by selected St. Louis Blues hockey games. In the hours before Sacramento's sunset, the station suffers from IBOC interference from WSAI 1530. KXEL 1540 also suffers from the same interference from WSAI. KXEL isn't heard very well at night anymore, AM Stereo KZMP University City, TX rules that frequency at night, along with another AM Stereo station, CHIN Toronto, ON. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 IBOC SUCKS...AM and FM Radio MUST REMAIN ANALOG ONLY! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Feb 28 15:03:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92732 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 23:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2004 23:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 23:03:15 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i1SN3E6W050411 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:03:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001101c3fe4f$0beda120$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20040228180800.79649.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:03:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC and skywave ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > One of those is WKWH in > > Shelbyville Indiana... which > > is about 70 miles ENE of WSAI. Believe me, when > > WSAI is doing night testing > > of their IBOC, they obliterate WWKB at my house (20 > > miles SW of Shelbyville, > > IN) and even in downtown Shelbyville you can hear > > the hash at night. > Supposedly you can hear it on the station monitors. Absolutely true. Their transmitter site (a 3 tower array) is about 3 miles north of their studios in downtown Shelbyville and when WSAI is testing IBOC you hear the hash on the modulation monitor at the studio and the CE told me he can even hear it on the modulation monitor at their transmitter site. That is some pretty serious interference...... From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Feb 28 15:19:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9424 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 23:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2004 23:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 23:19:35 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i1SNJYfr053151 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:19:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001801c3fe51$54231fe0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <11.23ae4609.2d724d21@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:19:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1520 WWKB skywave map X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Another station it has to protect is KRHW Sikeston, MO. This station was, for > the longest time, KMPL. The station operates with 5,000 watts during the day > and 500 watts at night. Their night pattern is sent straight toward the St. > Louis area, making it the dominant station in this area at night (even KOMA is > no longer heard clearly at night). > > KRHW currently broadcasts a Classic Country format, augmented by selected St. > Louis Blues hockey games. In the hours before Sacramento's sunset, the > station suffers from IBOC interference from WSAI 1530. KXEL 1540 also suffers from > the same interference from WSAI. KXEL isn't heard very well at night anymore, > AM Stereo KZMP University City, TX rules that frequency at night, along with > another AM Stereo station, CHIN Toronto, ON. WSAI is supposed to switch to a directional array at sunset in Sacramento to protect KFBK so that means they should be blocked in our direction by 9:30 PM EST (which equates to 6:30 PST) but I don't think they've been very diligent about it because they still sound as loud at midnight as they do at noon in Central Indiana. As for the Shelbyville station on 1520... They still play music too. They are a really good oldies stations who focus' on music from the British Invasion thru about 1980. I really do like to listen to them but when WSAI is broadcasting the IBOC sideband crap, it ruins it for me. I feel bad for the company that just purchased WKWH. It is actually a power company that bought WKWH. Shelby County REMC (Rural Electric Membership Corp)... thus the call letters WKWH (KWH=kilowatt hours). They bought it a couple of years ago having no idea of what was coming. If IBOC gets the final nod for full time operation, they might as well take WKWH dark. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 15:22:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14218 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 23:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2004 23:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 23:22:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2004 23:22:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:21:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1042 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.138 Subject: The original AM Stereo Forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The first online discussion group dedicated to AM Stereo was created in November 1999, and I'm surprised to discover that nearly five years later, it's still online: http://forums.delphiforums.com/amstereo Of course, the AM Stereo Forum moved to Yahoo in October 2001 and we've been doing just fine here, but it's nice to see that Delphi is still around, in one form or another. Along with CompuServe, Prodigy, and GEnie, Delphi used to be a major online service in the '80s and early '90s. But since the Internet boom took over, only CompuServe is still around in its original form as a dial-up service. Prodigy killed its independent content and became an ISP, and while both GEnie and Delphi moved their discussion groups to the web, GEnie eventually closed up completely a few years ago. It is also an interesting bit of nostalgia that all of these online services used to charge upwards of $10 per hour, especially at 2400 baud and up. Now, in many areas you can get bare-bones Internet service for $10 per *month*! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 17:18:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82432 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 01:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2004 01:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 01:18:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2004 01:18:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 01:18:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 438 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.138 Subject: DRM hash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If you've wondered what DRM (Digital Radio Mondiale) sounds like on an analog receiver, Eric has provided a sample for us: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/digital/ Pretty much just a stream of noise -- not unlike a Soviet jammer. DRM does have a 'hybrid' mode which provides an analog signal to go along with the digital data stream, but so far I haven't heard of any stations regularly using this mode on the air. From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Feb 28 20:39:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57710 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 04:39:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2004 04:39:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 04:39:39 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (ppp-67-126-223-88.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.126.223.88]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i1T4dbe52148; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:39:37 -0800 Message-ID: <001001c3fe7d$5b4c4cc0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:34:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: IBOC Hash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys I don't see why the stations don't complain to the stations interfearing with them about there IBOC signals or better yet complain to the FCC about the hash and thay just mite put a stop to the hole thing. ( Wishful thinking any way.) I live near KFBK AM 1530 and some times i can hear them rolling in and out at night and i am just with in 20 mile east or so from them. And thay are real loud with there 50 kw signal. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 20:49:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89640 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 04:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2004 04:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 04:49:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2004 04:49:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 04:49:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 519 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: just thought of a use for an AM Stereo signal on a talk station... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key this one's based on a stunt that a local FM station pulled right before they switched to a spanish format from a top 40 format... "You're listening to Talk Radio 830 AM Stereo, KMXE, Orange / San Bernardino / Los Angeles, blasting through the airwaves with 50,000 watts in C-QUam AM Stereo. IBOC is LOW DEFINITION radio! Analog AM Stereo is THE way to broadcast on AM!! Now, to listen to the Tom Leykis show, turn your balance to the left channel. If you want to hear Sean Hannity, listen to the right channel." From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 29 03:32:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90128 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 11:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2004 11:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 11:32:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20040229113204.6381.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 03:32:04 PST Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 03:32:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.84 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} just thought of a use for an AM Stereo signal on a talk station... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > this one's based on a stunt that a local FM station > pulled right > before they switched to a spanish format from a top > 40 format... > > "You're listening to Talk Radio 830 AM Stereo, KMXE, > Orange / San > Bernardino / Los Angeles, blasting through the > airwaves with 50,000 > watts in C-QUam AM Stereo. IBOC is LOW DEFINITION > radio! Analog AM > Stereo is THE way to broadcast on AM!! Now, to > listen to the Tom > Leykis show, turn your balance to the left channel. > If you want to > hear Sean Hannity, listen to the right channel." Which is illegal even with FM stereo. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Feb 29 04:02:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40288 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 12:02:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2004 12:02:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.94) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 12:02:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 04:02:18 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:02:18 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereo@bellsouth.net Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:02:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Feb 2004 12:02:18.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[E15A3230:01C3FEBB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.94 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: Lights are on, but nobody's home! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Genesis' 1040am- WWBA must not have realized today is still February; they already switched to March and went to full power 30 minutes earaly. (6:45 for March vs 7:15 for February). I wonder how many other stations, will "forget" it is a leap year and take advantage of staying full power longer than authorized today? ~~~~~~~~ Then after that I flipped down the dial to 970 WFLA, where they interuppted their regularly shceduled informercial for a "Weather Bulletin". I thought the weather seems calm, no clouds, no hint of bad weather, but the bulletin was a lead in from ABC news announcing that Aristead has left Haiti! The only weather connection I could think of was that he was leaving due to the bad political climate! :) Isn't consoladation grand; nobody's paying attention; the lights are on, but nobody's home. Donn St Petersburg _________________________________________________________________ Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great U.S. locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 29 05:51:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43297 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 13:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2004 13:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 13:51:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2004 13:50:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:50:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 91 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 Subject: Continental AM Stereo Exciter and monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Walt Rice's auction got a final bid of around $350! WHEW! Too rich for my blood! Powell From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Feb 29 06:00:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69081 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 14:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2004 14:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 14:00:02 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i1TDxxda010862 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 07:00:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001901c3fecc$52cdac20$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 08:59:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The original AM Stereo Forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Along with CompuServe, Prodigy, and GEnie, Delphi used to be a major > online service in the '80s and early '90s. But since the Internet > boom took over, only CompuServe is still around in its original form > as a dial-up service. Prodigy killed its independent content and > became an ISP, and while both GEnie and Delphi moved their discussion > groups to the web, GEnie eventually closed up completely a few years > ago. > > It is also an interesting bit of nostalgia that all of these online > services used to charge upwards of $10 per hour, especially at 2400 > baud and up. Now, in many areas you can get bare-bones Internet > service for $10 per *month*! > I remember paying $10 an hour for CompuServe (aka: Compu$erve or CI$) and $5 an hour on GEnie (they didn't have a 2400 baud surcharge like CI$). I eventually became a Sysop on GEnie and got a free account and they even paid us a bit for attracting people to our forum, so I cancelled my CI$ subscription and became a GEnie-only person. At some point in the mid to late 80's I learned how GEnie and CompuServe got much of their content shipped around the country through this vast network put together by Colleges, Business and the Government. I got a SLIP account in the early 90's and was forced to learn Unix to navigate. We used real FTP clients back then unless you were lucky enough to find a Gopher server. I still have a PC around here with Trumpet Winsock as well as a public domain Gopher client and an FTP client distributed by the Meteorology department of the Univ. of Oklahoma. All of these were extremely complex and difficult to install and setup, and very cryptic and complex to use. I remember downloading large programs or text files to the local dial-in point at extremely fast speeds, then downloading them to my PC at 2400 baud (bps). There were early editions of Eudora (an email client) from the beginning too. The problem was, as many people know, the Internet email system is a 7 bit environment and any binary files attached to email had to be converted to 7 bit using UUencode and reverse-encoded on the receiving end. It is still the case with all email attachments and binary files posted to the Usenet, but today it done automatically by Outlook or Eudora or whatever email client people use and most people don't know it even happens. At some point in the early 90's I obtained a new program from the Univ. of Illinois/Champaign called Chameleon, a "browser" that would "change the world if it ever took off". It would make the Internet a point & click place to navigate. I remember thinking how great it was. But in the beginning sites using this technology on this World Wide Web were few and far between and I never in my wildest dream thought it would rise to the level it is today. No charge for that lesson in early Internet history... From castellano105@yahoo.com Sun Feb 29 07:45:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89336 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 15:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2004 15:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 15:45:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2004 15:44:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:44:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 270 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 209.26.145.67 Subject: IBOC in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 The following Stations in Florida are tranmiting in Digital formate,they are all FM. Here is the list WKIS BocaRaton 99,9 WRMA Fort Lauderdale 106.7 WEDR Miami 99.1 and WUUSF Tampa 87.7 more FM Stations are on the way. At this time no AM Stations are listed to join. From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Feb 29 07:45:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22697 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 15:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2004 15:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 15:45:30 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.166]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:54:06 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c3feda$ca14eb00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:43:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lights are on, but nobody's home! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I never forget leap year..... :-) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Donn Tillman To: amstereo@bellsouth.net Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 7:02 AM Subject: {AMSF} Lights are on, but nobody's home! I wonder how many other stations, will "forget" it is a leap year and take advantage of staying full power longer than authorized today? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Feb 29 09:29:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57885 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 17:29:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2004 17:29:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 17:29:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2004 17:28:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:28:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040229113204.6381.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1060 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} just thought of a use for an AM Stereo signal on a talk station... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key It is? A local FM station did it playing one song I don't know in one channel and La Bamba in the other channel repeatedly for a few days before new owners took the station over and switched it to a spanish format. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- pianoplayer88key > wrote: > > this one's based on a stunt that a local FM station > > pulled right > > before they switched to a spanish format from a top > > 40 format... > > > > "You're listening to Talk Radio 830 AM Stereo, KMXE, > > Orange / San > > Bernardino / Los Angeles, blasting through the > > airwaves with 50,000 > > watts in C-QUam AM Stereo. IBOC is LOW DEFINITION > > radio! Analog AM > > Stereo is THE way to broadcast on AM!! Now, to > > listen to the Tom > > Leykis show, turn your balance to the left channel. > > If you want to > > hear Sean Hannity, listen to the right channel." > > > Which is illegal even with FM stereo. > > > Powell > > > > ===== > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 29 09:39:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10861 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 17:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2004 17:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 17:39:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20040229173926.7360.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:39:26 PST Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:39:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.85 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} just thought of a use for an AM Stereo signal on a talk station... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > It is? > > A local FM station did it playing one song I don't > know in one channel > and La Bamba in the other channel repeatedly for a > few days before new > owners took the station over and switched it to a > spanish format. The FCC would have sent them a pink slip. I bet it sounded great in a mono receiver. But they didn't care about the current listeners. They were trying to run them off. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From dougharding@mindspring.com Sun Feb 29 13:12:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69623 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 20:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2004 20:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 20:33:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2004 20:32:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:32:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 414 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.29.168 Subject: Re: IBOC in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding WQAM AM Miami 560 is also broadcasting IBOC. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Francisco Guzman" wrote: > The following Stations in Florida are tranmiting in Digital > formate,they are all FM. > Here is the list WKIS BocaRaton 99,9 WRMA Fort Lauderdale 106.7 > WEDR Miami 99.1 and WUUSF Tampa 87.7 more FM Stations are on the way. > At this time > no AM Stations are listed to join. From stodd@vippn.com Sun Feb 29 15:29:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14191 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 23:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2004 23:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 23:29:42 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-253-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.253]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A9A5414E0B5 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:29:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005901c3ff1c$995ecd40$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <11.23ae4609.2d724d21@aol.com> <001801c3fe51$54231fe0$6501a8c0@jimspc> Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:08:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1520 WWKB skywave map X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Better yet- they should file a complaint with the FCC, and if that doesn't get any action, file a civil suit against WSAI and the big CC. THAT would get some headlines, and possibly the necessary review of whether IBOC is truly worthy of night operation, if not getting scrapped entirely. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > If IBOC gets the final nod for full time operation, they might as well take > WKWH dark. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Feb 29 17:12:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77639 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 01:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2004 01:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 01:12:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2004 01:12:52 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64041 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 21:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2004 21:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 21:01:42 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.42.47ce57aa (4459) for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:01:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42.47ce57aa.2d73ad2e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:01:34 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.5 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Mar 2004 01:12:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 WUSF's frequency is 89.7...their signal made it into St. Louis on E-layer skip propagation several times. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 IBOC SUCKS...AM and FM Radio MUST REMAIN ANALOG ONLY! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 29 17:17:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61407 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 01:17:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2004 01:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 01:17:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2004 01:17:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 01:17:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 131 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.2 Subject: Almost there... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If only nine more messages are posted before February is over, then this will be our second most active month ever on the Forum! From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Feb 29 17:21:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57741 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 01:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2004 01:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 01:21:36 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i211LYVa035911 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:21:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001901c3ff2b$880c7420$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:21:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Almost there... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > If only nine more messages are posted before February is over, then > this will be our second most active month ever on the Forum! I'll certainly do my part. Thank goodness February (and winter) is almost over! From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Feb 29 17:25:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96251 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 01:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2004 01:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 01:25:03 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.10) id i211P2ma036419 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:25:02 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001e01c3ff2c$040a3e90$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <42.47ce57aa.2d73ad2e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:24:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > WUSF's frequency is 89.7...their signal made it into St. Louis on E-layer > skip propagation several times. That used to happen more frequently before the non-com band started filling up with 800 watt stations. I once heard an Arkansas FM here in Central Indiana... Not sure if it was Sporadic E Layer or just plain old tropospheric ducting, but it came in like a local for almost an hour early one morning 10 years ago. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 29 17:53:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43586 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 01:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2004 01:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 01:53:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2004 01:53:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 01:53:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001e01c3ff2c$040a3e90$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1082 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.2 Subject: Re: FM DX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I once heard an Arkansas FM here in Central Indiana... Not sure if > it was Sporadic E Layer or just plain old tropospheric ducting, but > it came in like a local for almost an hour early one morning 10 > years ago. A few summers ago, I heard 99.9 KTCS-FM from Fort Smith, Arkansas on my VW's factory car radio here in NJ, while driving. They were completely overpowering a semi-local Oldies station, and the signal was coming through in full stereo. But as luck would have it, KTCS faded out just as I pulled into my driveway! Another good FM DX catch was last summer... one morning, I was stuck in traffic, so I gave the radio dial a spin, and started hearing stations from all over the place... South Carolina, Virginia, Georgia, even Florida... and this was on an old Kenwood car radio that is actually pretty lousy on FM. But still, my best broadcast-band DXing of all time has been in the AM Expanded Band. I heard 1620 WDHP from the U.S. Virgin Islands in AM Stereo, from a good 1500 miles away, using only a walkman and a Terk AM Advantage loop antenna. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Feb 29 19:32:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4981 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 03:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2004 03:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 03:32:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2004 03:32:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 03:32:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040229173926.7360.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 929 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} just thought of a use for an AM Stereo signal on a talk station... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key lol... It's sad, though, that our beloved national bird is so often in poor health... I see references to a certain sick bird a lot... especially on music copyright information... :( Is there any way to get the poor ill eagle to a hospital where a vet could nurse him back to health? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- pianoplayer88key > wrote: > > It is? > > > > A local FM station did it playing one song I don't > > know in one channel > > and La Bamba in the other channel repeatedly for a > > few days before new > > owners took the station over and switched it to a > > spanish format. > > > The FCC would have sent them a pink slip. I bet it > sounded great in a mono receiver. But they didn't care > about the current listeners. They were trying to run > them off. > > > Powell > > ===== > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Feb 29 20:03:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21865 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 04:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2004 04:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 04:02:59 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2140v2H007284 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:00:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <4042B219.1040306@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:46:33 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} just thought of a use for an AM Stereo signal on a talk station... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 well you could find where that bird is and send it to me... I own and live on a wildlife center. specalizing in raptors. Gee that brings to mind any other Falconers in this group????? pianoplayer88key wrote: >lol... >It's sad, though, that our beloved national bird is so often in poor >health... I see references to a certain sick bird a lot... >especially on music copyright information... :( Is there any way to >get the poor ill eagle to a hospital where a vet could nurse him back >to health? > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > wrote: > > >>--- pianoplayer88key >>wrote: >> >> >>>It is? >>> >>>A local FM station did it playing one song I don't >>>know in one channel >>>and La Bamba in the other channel repeatedly for a >>>few days before new >>>owners took the station over and switched it to a >>>spanish format. >>> >>> >>The FCC would have sent them a pink slip. I bet it >>sounded great in a mono receiver. But they didn't care >>about the current listeners. They were trying to run >>them off. >> >> >>Powell >> >>===== >>powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw >> >> > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 29 20:21:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31296 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 04:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2004 04:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 04:21:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2004 04:21:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 04:21:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4042B219.1040306@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 399 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.2 Subject: Re: just thought of a use for an AM Stereo signal on a talk station... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Gee that brings to mind any other Falconers in this group????? I had an Atari Falcon computer... does that count? :-) That was a great computer, BTW -- fantastic audio and video capabilities. But those later Ataris had the worst keyboards I've ever used... mushy, springy, closely-packed keys that guarantee lots of typing mistakes. But, that's how most PC keyboards are these days too! From jimsmith@vfr.net Sun Feb 29 22:50:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82788 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 06:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2004 06:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 06:50:08 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-68-122-180-75.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [68.122.180.75]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i216o7512908; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:50:07 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01c3ff58$c11fd680$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:45:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: DX TV cache X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I rember one that i was waching Opera Winphery but i knew it was my normale 100 miles a way KTVU CH 2 San francisco Ca. So i kept waching for a wile trying to keep my dinner down. And then thay finely went commersall. Thay stared a Barger King com and at the end thay showed a red mapole leafe one lower side of the screan. I thought WOW i am seeing some thing from Canada. And all so if here is some bad "T" storms over Taxas and other midwest places i can get some more some times. Later spring erly summer. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Sun Feb 29 23:15:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32140 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 07:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2004 07:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 07:15:33 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i217FUKY015912 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:15:31 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:15:30 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <001801c3fd97$a45db700$827dfea9@home1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Instumental tracks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, Scott Todd wrote: > If only stations would still AIR Herb Alpert tracks over here! > Nobody seems to air anything purely instrumental anymore- too afraid > of turning off female listeners. Hey Scott - ask you favourite music station to play these tracks. They might ... and they mightn't - but they'd love to have listener input. I'd like to think that I've been an influence in what Magic 693 plays. Every suggestion is worth 500 listeners' opinions. Sometimes they'll do something and sometimes they won't. I'd like to think that I was responsible for getting Magic 693 to play Steve Lawrence's version of Portrait of My Love rather than Matt Munro's very nice version - which wasn't the hit version here. Today's Magic 693 highlight: Ferrante & Teicher's version of Exodus - followed (ironically) by Matt Munro's The Music Played. Musical bliss. > (For the uninitiated- chicks tend to like music with a "message." > It seems to be a mostly male phenominon that we can enjoy good music > for its own sake.) True. I've known many males that like noisey music particularly with alot of bass - even if they couldn't dance in time with it - yet they can hear the stereo. I sometimes wonder if females can hear in stereo at all. (With apologies) are there any females on the list? Ian > ----- Original Message ----- > > > I heard a Herp Alpert track on Magic on the way home. There are > > times when you wonder if AMS is worth fighting for but some of > > those old instrumental tracks are sensational in stereo and make > > you realise that it would be terrible to lose it. From oldphones@webtv.net Mon Mar 01 15:44:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99686 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 23:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2004 23:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 23:44:15 -0000 Received: from storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id C1BF810639; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id PAA08808; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:44:15 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR8Vr/tYd3oY0CKQzJp9jEF2B0OAwIUZRfoQ7L8Do+ilkFkdSBjYqd9J20= Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:44:15 -0600 (CST) To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@topica.com Message-ID: <26414-4043CACF-3690@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Kevin, Mesa, AZ" 's message of Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:13:10 +0000 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: RE: [ ABDX ] BM/EZL format X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sunny XM 24 is the easy listening, Beautiful music channel. I am amazed at the variety of artists the Sunny Channel carries. I really love those Mantivoni, Caravelli, 101 strings, Jack Jones, Ronnie Aldridge ( just to name a few) compositions. Just Like "Cloud Nine Stereo". I compared the XM Vs. older AM Stereo recordings (KFAB and others) I have and it compares favorably. The Watercolors jazz channel XM 71 is another good one with a lot of instrumentals. Bill S. Omaha, NE Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 01 17:44:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53997 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2004 01:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2004 01:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2004 01:44:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2004 01:42:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 01:42:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <26414-4043CACF-3690@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 846 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.142 Subject: Re: BM/EZL format X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Sunny XM 24 is the easy listening, Beautiful music channel. > I am amazed at the variety of artists the Sunny channel carries. And believe or not, Sunny on XM is run by Clear Channel. Or, I actually should say *was* run by CC. The only reason CC was involved in XM was the opportunity of ad sales, and when the decision was made to eliminate ads on XM's music channels, CC ended all of their involvement with the XM music channels. > I really love those Mantivoni, Caravelli, 101 strings, Jack Jones, > Ronnie Aldridge ( just to name a few) compositions. Just Like > "Cloud Nine Stereo". Here's one song you won't hear on any commercial radio station: "Tiny Bubbles" by Don Ho. It's basically to the '60s what the "Macarena" was to the '90s -- a huge novelty song that is now about as popular as air conditioners in Alaska. From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Mar 01 17:53:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40938 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2004 01:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2004 01:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2004 01:53:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20040302015316.9982.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.87] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 17:53:16 PST Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:53:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.88 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BM/EZL format X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > Here's one song you won't hear on any commercial > radio station: > "Tiny Bubbles" by Don Ho. It's basically to the > '60s what the > "Macarena" was to the '90s -- a huge novelty song > that is now about > as popular as air conditioners in Alaska. I have played that at WKDK. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From bratina501@msn.com Mon Mar 01 18:22:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7986 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2004 02:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2004 02:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2004 02:22:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2004 02:21:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 02:21:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c3ff58$c11fd680$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 941 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.36 Subject: Re: DX TV cache X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith" wrote: > I rember one that i was waching Opera Winphery but i knew it was my normale 100 miles a way KTVU CH 2 San francisco Ca. So i kept waching for a wile trying to keep my dinner down. And then thay finely went commersall. Thay stared a Barger King com and at the end thay showed a red mapole leafe one lower side of the screan. I thought WOW i am seeing some thing from Canada. And all so if here is some bad "T" storms over Taxas and other midwest places i can get some more some times. Later spring erly summer. Jim Smith I have had an experence with E-skip TV DX myself I was watching something else on a UHF station when I decided to do a little channel surfing on the VHF band the TV tuned in all the normal stations when my TV suddenly hit channel 3 I later confirmed that to be KTVK Phoenix. That set was a Casio hand-held TV with a rod antenna. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Mar 01 21:14:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12358 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2004 05:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2004 05:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2004 05:14:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2004 05:14:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 05:14:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 244 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Is it my imagination, or... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key http://68.105.110.45:1180/stephen/amradio/Is_KXNT_using_IBOC_at_9pm_PST.mp3 I start tuning at 760 (a local station) and end at 910 (another semi-local running low power due to a fire-damaged transmitter site) KXNT is somewhere in the middle. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 01 21:41:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87137 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2004 05:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2004 05:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2004 05:41:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2004 05:41:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 05:41:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 687 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.142 Subject: Re: Is it my imagination, or... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I start tuning at 760 (a local station) and end at 910 (another > semi-local running low power due to a fire-damaged transmitter > site) KXNT is somewhere in the middle. That sure sounds like IBOC hash to me, on 850 KOA and the Spanish station on 830 kHz. IBOC is only supposed to be used from 6:00 AM or local sunrise (whichever is earlier) to 6:00 PM or local sunset (whichever is later), but KXNT may have a Special Temporary Authority to test IBOC during nighttime hours. BTW, what kind of receiver did you use to make this clip? The audio response is surprisingly wide -- not exactly "hi-fi", but a nice medium-bandwidth sound. I like the tuning "pip" sound, too. :-) From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Mar 01 22:30:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17616 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2004 06:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2004 06:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2004 06:30:26 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-67-124-12-85.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.124.12.85]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i226UHe29142; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:30:18 -0800 Message-ID: <002601c4001f$26b81180$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:25:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: Project AM STEREO under way. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys I finley did it i just ordered a AM STEREO exciter for a sertan station 610 kc . If thay still don't use i will offer it to my local radio station on 950 kc. But i want to try 610 am first because thay have the maching trannsmitter. Thay have a Harris Gates 5 5kw and the exciter i am going to send them is a Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO Exciter. Thay are a maching pair. Cool hay. Now if i am not a AM STEREO nut on this forum i would be spechless. Now this is the kind of stuff we sould be doing in sted of fighting with each other. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Mar 01 22:47:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88345 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2004 06:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2004 06:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2004 06:47:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2004 06:47:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:47:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1090 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Is it my imagination, or... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I start tuning at 760 (a local station) and end at 910 (another > > semi-local running low power due to a fire-damaged transmitter > > site) KXNT is somewhere in the middle. > > That sure sounds like IBOC hash to me, on 850 KOA and the Spanish > station on 830 kHz. > > IBOC is only supposed to be used from 6:00 AM or local sunrise > (whichever is earlier) to 6:00 PM or local sunset (whichever is > later), but KXNT may have a Special Temporary Authority to test IBOC > during nighttime hours. > > BTW, what kind of receiver did you use to make this clip? The audio > response is surprisingly wide -- not exactly "hi-fi", but a nice > medium-bandwidth sound. I like the tuning "pip" sound, too. :-) Panasonic Shockwave RQ-SW20. Should I maybe make an attempt at converting it to stereo? I still won't be able to get KDIS with it, though.... due to 1130AM having poor selectivity on this radio. :( it's the one at the top of the pic: http://68.105.110.45:1180/stephen/pics1/portable_audio_01.jpg From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Mar 01 22:53:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20963 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2004 06:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2004 06:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2004 06:53:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2004 06:53:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:53:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1105 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Is it my imagination, or... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Oh, did you notice how wide 760 (KFMB) was on my receiver? If they ever went IBOC, what stations would I expect to say goodbye to? about the other frequencies: 770 - KKOB from Albuquerque, NM, can be received, not heard on this clip though (briefly moved ripflash+ mp3 recorder too close to radio to press a button) 780 - a new mexican from Ensenada battling with KKOH from Reno, and chatter from 760. 790 - KABC Los Angeles audible under adjacent 800, what's that hash? 800 - X(ESPN) Radio 800 810 - KGO San Francisco 820 - weak, probably a mex from Mexicali, WBAP Ft Worth probably not audible 830 - KMXE Orange, CA (transmitter somewhere southwest Riverside county I think) 840 - KXNT North Las Vegas, NV 850 - KOA Denver, CO 860 - XEMO Tijuana 870 - probably KRLA Glendale, CA, don't know if WWL makes any appearance or not 880 - some music of some kind - not sure what station... used to be able to hear KRVN Lexington, NB, on this frequency 890 - KDXU St George, UT 900 - adjacent to 910 (maybe able to hear XEW Mexico City under the right conditions, but not in this clip) 910 - KECR El Cajon. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 02 00:03:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89430 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2004 08:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2004 08:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2004 08:03:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2004 08:03:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 08:03:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.142 Subject: Re: Is it my imagination, or... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Panasonic Shockwave RQ-SW20. Should I maybe make an attempt at > converting it to stereo? I still won't be able to get KDIS with > it, though.... due to 1130AM having poor selectivity on this radio. The strange thing is, my friend had one that looked exactly like yours, and its AM was absolutely horrible -- the audio response was 2 kHz at best, and all the weaker signals were swamped out by its own synthesizer noise. Listening to AM on it was like listening to a radio with the treble turned all the way down and a pillow covering the speaker. Yours seems much better in comparison, even if its selectivity isn't that great. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 02 00:23:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8204 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2004 08:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2004 08:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2004 08:23:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2004 08:23:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 08:23:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002601c4001f$26b81180$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 968 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.13.125 Subject: Re: Project AM STEREO under way. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith" wrote: > Hi Guys I finley did it i just ordered a AM STEREO exciter for a sertan station 610 kc . If thay still don't use i will offer it to my local radio station on 950 kc. But i want to try 610 am first because thay have the maching trannsmitter. Thay have a Harris Gates 5 5kw and the exciter i am going to send them is a Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO Exciter. Thay are a maching pair. Cool hay. Now if i am not a AM STEREO nut on this forum i would be spechless. Now this is the kind of stuff we sould be doing in sted of fighting with each other. Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] This is going to be real guys because i am not getting a peace of JUNK like i did out of E BAY . This is from a real electronics ordering site and the neet thing about this is its only costing me $501.98. So if one don't want it i hope the other will. Jim Smith From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Mar 02 05:26:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79634 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2004 13:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2004 13:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2004 13:26:41 -0000 Received: from storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 9EE8510582; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 05:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA18251; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 05:26:41 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRl0BqUMkS2P6QENlQMi3IV7AVlZwIVAJQrEfvGCEro8bRIvG7Vdpboprkt Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 07:26:41 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com Message-ID: <13039-40448B91-1176@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 2 Mar 2004 11:15:54 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM and Nat'l advertising X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Kevin T wrote that Clear Channel had an interest in XM to sell commercial time. Yes, this may of been, BUT since February 1st, ALL of the appox 68 XM music channels went commercial free!! Only the "news" type channels like, ABC News & info 124, CNN, etc... still have commercials or PSA's on them. This is the case with the "Sean Hannity" show on XM 124. There is about a 10 second delay between the Sat feed on XM and the "local" AM station (2 to 5 pm central, and our "local station" KKAR repeats the 1 st hour at 5:07 PM to 6 PM. As is the usual practice, The "Local station" gets to fill a certain % of the ad time, the rest is for national sponsors. When XM was running commercials on the music channels, I thought it was a great opportunity for those large, nation wide companies to air their messages to a national audience. (But not anymore) JP Penney and GM's On Star commercials showed up on XM's Sunny channel, a lot. BTW ---- Have you noticed this..... The Nationally feed "talk shows" are still available for nation wide buys, BUT, I begin to wonder if these is much point in advertising on National hourly news feeds like ABC, CBS etc... I don't know about other localities, But many local stations (A.M.) seem to either run about 2 minutes of national feed, OR they just mix national news "cuts" in with local news. This may be an effort to make stations sound more" live and local" But there aren't clearing the 2 to 5 minute national feed, unless there is something really "BIG" happening. BTW- And the same is true on most F.M. stations (thanks to the FCC de-regulation) >> hardly any news coverage at all unless the "world is ending". aka 9-11-01 Years, ago CBS, NBC routinely feed a 5 to 6 minute newscast(s) ( with commercial spots) to affiliate stations. This was certainly the case at KFAB Omaha (NBC for many years) and most other major stations. Bill S. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From stodd@vippn.com Tue Mar 02 15:12:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8690 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2004 23:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2004 23:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2004 23:12:44 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-141-19-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.19]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 816DF14E0B0 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 17:12:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006001c400ac$916c8640$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <002601c4001f$26b81180$c188fea9@jimsmith> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 17:15:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Project AM STEREO under way. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I hate to burst your bubble, but I don't think this will work. Doubtless this station is owned by some big corporation, and likely they have a policy that won't allow the engineer to install just anything. I know I face that as a CE of three Salem stations. It might be possible to install something like this on the sly if the engineer is really sympathetic, but even many of those that are will still choose to be "just following orders" and you'll have wasted your time. Whatever station decides to use this will still have to get a stereo modulation monitor, as there's no way to set the generator up right without one. I applaud your initiative, however. Please keep us updated. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimsmith" > Hi Guys I finley did it i just ordered a AM STEREO exciter for a sertan station 610 kc . If thay still don't use i will offer it to my local radio station on 950 kc. But i want to try 610 am first because thay have the maching trannsmitter. Thay have a Harris Gates 5 5kw and the exciter i am going to send them is a Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO Exciter. > From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Mar 02 16:48:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19898 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 00:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 00:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 00:48:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 00:48:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 00:48:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 442 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.142.189.187 Subject: AMS: Narrow and Wide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee It seems like there used to be a page on the AMStereo Web site that mentioned that mono AM stations should consider C-Quam, because the C-Quam chip would take a mono signal and widen it out to 10 kHz for the listener. If this is true, does the C-Quam chip max out at 10 kHz? If you have an older radio with a "wide" setting, and you want to convert it to AMS, will the C-Quam chip restrict the radio to a maximum of 10 kHz fidelity? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 02 17:53:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51628 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 01:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 01:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 01:53:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 01:53:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:53:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1899 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.130 Subject: Re: AMS: Narrow and Wide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If this is true, does the C-Quam chip max out at 10 kHz? If you > have an older radio with a "wide" setting, and you want to convert > it to AMS, will the C-Quam chip restrict the radio to a maximum of > 10 kHz fidelity? The AM Stereo decoder chip itself makes no change (for better or worse) to a radio's bandwidth. If the radio has a 3 kHz filter, you'll get 3 kHz audio in stereo. And if the radio has a 15 kHz filter, you'll get 15 kHz audio in stereo (if you can find any stations transmitting that high of an audio response). The difference, though, is within the many car radios that only switch into wide-bandwidth mode when an AM Stereo signal is detected. The 1993+ GM/Delco radios are like this -- when listening to a mono station, it will only open up to a "medium" bandwidth, with about 6 kHz response. When an AM Stereo signal, though, it will open up to full AMAX bandwidth, up to just below 10 kHz on strong signals, and slightly less for weaker signals. For news/talk programming, this makes a noticeable improvement in crispness and clarity, and with the AMAX noise blanking and Auto-DNR, you can enjoy this wide-bandwidth mode without any noticeable increase in background hiss or interference. This is one of the explanations why you might encounter stations that are transmitting an AM Stereo signal but are only broadcasting mono audio. Over the years I've heard from a number of engineers who say they broadcast their station's signal this way specifically because it opens up the aforementioned kinds of radios to full bandwidth and fidelity. However, to be clear, this feature is _not_ an inherent part of the C-Quam decoder chip. AM Stereo can be received in any bandwidth you want, from very narrow to very wide. It is up to the radio manufacturer's choice to determine what bandwidth(s) they will offer for mono and AM Stereo signals. From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Mar 02 18:00:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12246 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 02:00:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 02:00:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.121) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 02:00:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:00:07 -0800 Received: from 172.152.206.46 by bay99-dav17.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 02:00:06 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:09:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2004 02:00:07.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[405324F0:01C400C3] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.121 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.152.206.46] Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS: Narrow and Wide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Douglas B. wrote:" >If you have an older radio with a "wide" setting, and you want to convert it to AMS, will the C-Quam chip restrict the radio to a maximum of 10 kHz fidelity? No, but AM radio stations in the US and Canada are limitted by law to 10 kHz, so it is a non-issue, unless your favorite station is illegally running without an NRSC filter in the audio chain. (I know of several!) Kevin in Tampa From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Mar 02 18:38:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73914 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 02:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 02:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 02:38:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 02:37:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 02:37:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 865 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS: Narrow and Wide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Douglas B. wrote:" > >If you have an older radio with a "wide" setting, and you want to convert > it to AMS, will the C-Quam chip restrict the radio to a maximum of 10 kHz > fidelity? > > No, but AM radio stations in the US and Canada are limitted by law to 10 > kHz, so it is a non-issue, unless your favorite station is illegally running > without an NRSC filter in the audio chain. (I know of several!) > > Kevin in Tampa Is it 10kHz with a brick-wall filter or 10kHz flat with a gradual rolloff? I listened to a recording I made of KDIS (AM Stereo 1110 Radio Disney) from near the L.A. Airport (I used my RipFlash+ in a mode which went up to about 16-17kHz) and it looked like it dropped off sharply just above where the 10kHz carrier whistle normally is. From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Mar 02 19:04:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18226 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 03:04:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 03:04:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.122) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 03:04:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:04:25 -0800 Received: from 172.152.206.46 by bay99-dav18.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 03:04:24 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:29:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2004 03:04:25.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BD3EF50:01C400CC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.122 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.152.206.46] Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS: Narrow and Wide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 pianoplayer88key wrote: > Is it 10kHz with a brick-wall filter or 10kHz flat with a gradual rolloff? Depending on the brand of filter they are using. Some are a roll off starting at 9.25 K dropping like a rock after 10K, and others, like Ball Electronics are a brick wall at 10K. The reason the better filters roll off is brick wall filters can cause ringing distortion. If you see ANYTHING past 10K, it is caused by distortion in the transmitter. Kevin in Tampa From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 02 19:26:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6031 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 03:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 03:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 03:26:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 03:25:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 03:25:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1201 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.15 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS: Narrow and Wide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > No, but AM radio stations in the US and Canada are limitted by law > to 10 kHz, so it is a non-issue, unless your favorite station is > illegally running without an NRSC filter in the audio chain. (I > know of several!) There _are_ a number of stations which push their audio up to 11 or 12 kHz, since CRL's processors offer an 11 kHz filter (actually it's a gradual roll-off up to 13 kHz) and the Optimod 9100 series defaults to 12.5 kHz bandwidth when you have no other filter installed. These slightly extended bandwidths may not fit the 10 kHz NRSC spec, but are "close enough" that I don't think anyone would really complain, especially compared to the way IBOC tears up the band! For the record, stations which use the 11 kHz "CRL Curve" include: 770 KAAM Garland/Dallas, TX 1210 WPHT Philadelphia, PA (backup processing only) 1240 KEVA Evanston, WY 1340 CJLS Yarmouth, NS, Canada (now off the air!) And in their last year or two as an AM Stereo station ('99-2000), 1600 WWRL in New York City used the 12.5 kHz Optimod bandwidth and sounded absolutely fantastic! A number of AM Stereo stations in Japan and Australia are also using this bandwidth and sound similarly "hi-fi". From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 02 19:27:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44090 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 03:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 03:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 03:27:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 03:27:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 03:27:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 552 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.15 Subject: 500-watt AM pirate X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the radio-info list: Tonight, the Channel 56 News had a story about the problems in Haiti. As part of the story, they interviewed the "co-owner" of "Radio Concorde", an illegal AM pirate that's been on the air for more than 2 years, less than 8 miles from the FCC field office, running more than 500 Watts on 1580. The interview segments included a video tour of the Radio Concorde studio, with an announcer doing his thing. As if they were a real broadcaster. You'd think a licensed TV station would check on these things. From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Mar 02 19:46:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41357 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 03:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 03:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 03:46:21 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i233iH2H088141 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:44:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <40455503.6090000@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 22:46:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS: Narrow and Wide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hey Kevin Don't forget WTTM is also running the 9100B optimod... any Guess on its NRSC??? BTW the 10Khz is only a recommendation.... I believe Its not exactly a Rule. so anyone running up to 12.5khz is Ok... Kevin T. wrote: >>No, but AM radio stations in the US and Canada are limitted by law >>to 10 kHz, so it is a non-issue, unless your favorite station is >>illegally running without an NRSC filter in the audio chain. (I >>know of several!) >> >> > >There _are_ a number of stations which push their audio up to 11 or >12 kHz, since CRL's processors offer an 11 kHz filter (actually it's >a gradual roll-off up to 13 kHz) and the Optimod 9100 series defaults >to 12.5 kHz bandwidth when you have no other filter installed. These >slightly extended bandwidths may not fit the 10 kHz NRSC spec, but >are "close enough" that I don't think anyone would really complain, >especially compared to the way IBOC tears up the band! > >For the record, stations which use the 11 kHz "CRL Curve" include: > >770 KAAM Garland/Dallas, TX >1210 WPHT Philadelphia, PA (backup processing only) >1240 KEVA Evanston, WY >1340 CJLS Yarmouth, NS, Canada (now off the air!) > >And in their last year or two as an AM Stereo station ('99-2000), >1600 WWRL in New York City used the 12.5 kHz Optimod bandwidth and >sounded absolutely fantastic! A number of AM Stereo stations in >Japan and Australia are also using this bandwidth and sound similarly >"hi-fi". > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Mar 02 20:17:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68425 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 04:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 04:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 04:17:37 -0000 Received: from storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 8C21E106CE; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:14:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id UAA22495; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:14:37 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQOVwKhrIFSxfwZr6bn+21NvT/E4gIUHr6mtfSZP12ZX1AECL7GoOwiTPs= Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:14:37 -0600 (CST) To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com (John P.) Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@topica.com Message-ID: <16081-40455BAD-5532@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "John P." 's message of Tue, 2 Mar 2004 05:47:56 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: Caravelli song Very OT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, I do belive I "may" of heard the Caravelli version of the "Midnight Blue" song played on XM's "Sunny' Channel XM 24. I have a few hours of XM recorded "when the bosses were out of town" off XM24 "Sunny" and XM 71 "Watercolors". I found an instrumental version of "evergreen" that I could do an A/B comparison between XM and and AM (((Stereo))) tape of the same song recorded in the Mid 80's off KFAB-AM . I concluded that the AM/ Stereo version had slightly higher frequency response ( this was recorded before the NRSC 10 Kz filters went into effect) BUT the XM version is certainty of acceptable quality and in my opinion on par with quality AM and FM Stereo recordings. John RE; The Midnight Blue song, I think I have the Tayna or Louise Tucker ?? version on LP from somewhere in the early eighties. I probably have it on tape somewhere, but actually "finding: it could be a problem. I will see if I can find the LP. Speaking of LP's...... BTW --- I recently got a copy at work of a long sought LP I have been looking for at church, rummage sales forever, "The Ventures" Hawaii Five-O album. Roger at work knows what a big Hawaii Five-O fan I am, Jack Lord // Steve Mc Garrett Rules!!! Now, IF Columbia House would just put H 50 on DVD!!!......... To paraphrase the Late Gordon Jump < WKRP's manager Mr. Carlson > Quote > " Why those fools .... They'll be sorry..." ( From the infamous Turkey giveaway episode ) This quote is Mr C's response to Les Nessman's news that " giving away free turkeys isn't the newspaper's idea of news " Mel Gibson could use the same quote about the Big Movie Studios & main stream media's lackluster attitude about his current Hit Movie "Passion" of the Christ. Enough said!!! Bill S. Omaha Sorry if I got a bit off topic. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Mar 02 22:56:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35134 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 06:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 06:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 06:56:15 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-67-126-220-204.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.126.220.204]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i236tTP63386; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:55:30 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01c400eb$d5882340$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:50:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: KFRC DX fron New Jersey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys I herd a request on KFRC AM 610 come in tonight the guy said what he wanted to here and then asked were are you he said New Jersey the DJ said no how can you hear us he said AM 610. Wow that was neat. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Mar 02 23:33:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71025 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 07:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 07:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 07:33:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 07:32:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:32:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 260 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: could someone confirm/deny stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/KWST_1430_ElCentro_recorded_ElCajon_3pm-4pm_03042004.MP3 the signal's fading some and there's adjacent-channel interference, but I thought I could hear separation on this station so I recorded about an hour of it unscoped. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Mar 02 23:35:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72702 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 07:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 07:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 07:35:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 07:34:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:34:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 764 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS: Narrow and Wide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > pianoplayer88key wrote: > > Is it 10kHz with a brick-wall filter or 10kHz flat with a gradual rolloff? > > Depending on the brand of filter they are using. Some are a roll off > starting at 9.25 K dropping like a rock after 10K, and others, like Ball > Electronics are a brick wall at 10K. The reason the better filters roll off > is brick wall filters can cause ringing distortion. > > If you see ANYTHING past 10K, it is caused by distortion in the transmitter. > > Kevin in Tampa I think you answered my question. I just wanted to know if anything was transmitted above 10k, even if it was at reduced amplitude, and it sounds from your answer like it's not supposed to be. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 03 07:56:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49920 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 15:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 15:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 15:55:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 15:54:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 15:54:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 870 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS: Narrow and Wide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think you answered my question. I just wanted to know if anything > was transmitted above 10k, even if it was at reduced amplitude, and > it sounds from your answer like it's not supposed to be. With carefully configured audio processing, an AM station could transmit audio with an amount of response above 10 kHz that could be heard on a wideband receiver and yet still fit the NRSC spec, but most AM audio processors simply employ a "brick wall" which chops off everything above 10 kHz. Still, I think most people would rather hear clean, undistorted 10 kHz audio from AM Stereo, than the heavily clipped and over-compressed 15 kHz audio that is typical of major-market FM stations these days. Indeed, even the most heavily-processed AM music stations I've heard don't have the awful clipping distortion that I hear from most of NYC's FM music stations. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Mar 03 08:32:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20423 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 16:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 16:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41007.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 16:32:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20040303163231.99156.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.64.98.224] by web41007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 08:32:31 PST Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:32:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006001c400ac$916c8640$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.6 From: JNR Subject: Sorry I'm 3 days late, but... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Happy 13th birthday to Chris! Our very own Leap Year Engineer! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 03 09:10:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95537 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 17:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 17:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 17:10:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 17:09:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 17:09:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1094 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Expanded Expanded Band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From radioworld.com... I've seen plenty of radios that tune up to 1720 kHz on AM, but never all the way up to 1750 kHz before... really, what is the use of those extra frequencies, other than the assumption that the AM band might be expanded again in the future? p.s. I just caught their typo of "Hz" instead of "kHz"... don't they proofread press releases before they post them as 'articles'!? AudioScience Introduces AM/FM/TV Tuner Adapters Audio peripheral manufacturer AudioScience is introducing two new broadcast tuner adapters at NAB next month. The ASI8702 (AM/FM) and the ASI8703 (FM/TV) each contain eight tuners. Each tuner can be set to an independent AM or FM radio station. Audio from each tuner is presented to the computer host as a mono or stereo record stream that can be accessed through a high speed bus. The ASI8702 AM tuners has a medium wave tuning range of 520 Hz to 1750 Hz; FM range is 76 MHz to 108 MHz with software controlled stereo decoding. The ASI8703 TV tuner provides channels 2 through 69. For more information, go to www.audioscience.com. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Mar 03 09:14:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10355 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 17:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 17:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 17:14:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 17:12:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 17:12:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 446 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: trying to record several hours off some radio stations.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key with analog-tuned radios, like the Lennox $5 radio and an SRF-42. I got a problem, though - the radios keep drifting off a few kHz. What can I do to keep this from happening? I could use my Panasonic RQ-SW20, but it doesn't have hi-fi AM or AM Stereo. Anyone have any suggestions for a digitally-tuned AMAX/NRSC-compliant AMS radio at least as good as the SRF-42 for no more than $10-20 more than a new SRF-42 cost when it was in production? From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Mar 03 09:42:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27513 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 17:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 17:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 17:42:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20040303174240.25440.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.90] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:42:40 PST Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:42:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.81 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Expanded Expanded Band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > From radioworld.com... I've seen plenty of radios > that tune up to > 1720 kHz on AM, but never all the way up to 1750 kHz > before... really, > what is the use of those extra frequencies, other > than the assumption > that the AM band might be expanded again in the > future? > > p.s. I just caught their typo of "Hz" instead of > "kHz"... don't they > proofread press releases before they post them as > 'articles'!? Probably didn't know any better. However, that said. my 1946 Philco 46-1209 console covers to 1750. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 03 10:15:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5167 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 18:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 18:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 18:15:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 18:14:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:14:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 853 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: trying to record several hours off some radio stations.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > with analog-tuned radios, like the Lennox $5 radio and an SRF-42. > I got a problem, though - the radios keep drifting off a few kHz. > What can I do to keep this from happening? It seems that as the battery voltage gradually drops, the tuning calibration will change, causing this drifting. The solution is to power these radios with either a well-filtered AC adapter, or use a higher-voltage battery (like a 12V gell cell) with a voltage regulator to drop it down to the desired voltage and keep it there. Speaking of which, the Sony SRF-42 (and the older SRF-A1) performs better when you power it with 4.5 volts instead of only 3 volts (via the two AA cells). The circuitry is all rated for at least 5 volts, so this extra voltage will cause no harm, and helps to increase sensitivity and lower the noise floor (less background hiss). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 03 11:17:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39867 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 19:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 19:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 19:17:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 19:15:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 19:15:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040303174240.25440.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 316 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Expanded Expanded Band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Probably didn't know any better. However, that said. > my 1946 Philco 46-1209 console covers to 1750. That was to tune in police communications around 1700 kHz. After the band was expanded from 1500 to 1600 kHz in the early 1940s, some radios expected a further expansion and tuned all the way up to 1800 kHz! From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Mar 03 12:21:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60105 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 20:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 20:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 20:21:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 20:20:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 20:20:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: trying to record several hours off some radio stations.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > with analog-tuned radios, like the Lennox $5 radio and an SRF-42. > > I got a problem, though - the radios keep drifting off a few kHz. > > What can I do to keep this from happening? > > It seems that as the battery voltage gradually drops, the tuning > calibration will change, causing this drifting. The solution is to > power these radios with either a well-filtered AC adapter, or use a > higher-voltage battery (like a 12V gell cell) with a voltage regulator > to drop it down to the desired voltage and keep it there. > > Speaking of which, the Sony SRF-42 (and the older SRF-A1) performs > better when you power it with 4.5 volts instead of only 3 volts (via > the two AA cells). The circuitry is all rated for at least 5 volts, > so this extra voltage will cause no harm, and helps to increase > sensitivity and lower the noise floor (less background hiss). so what should I do, seeing that I'm probably 100-150 feet away from an electrical outlet where I am recording the stuff? I'm using 1800mAh 1.25V NiMH batteries for the SRF-42 right now - is there any set of 2 AA-physical_size rechargeable batteries that run at least 2.25 to 2.5 volts each? if I use a 12V car battery or 6V lantern battery, what type of voltage regulator would be good to get the voltage down to somewhere between 4.5 and 5V? and how would I hook it up? How does the SRF-AX15, SRF-AX51V, or SRF-A300 perform? From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Mar 03 14:02:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99425 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 22:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 22:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 22:02:54 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.37.133]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:11:45 -0500 Message-ID: <005801c4016b$05844720$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20040303163231.99156.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:01:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: A warning- X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 To all: There is a new virus going around attached to email as a zip file. I got one this morning and it "appeared" to be from my ISP advising of a planned down time, and to open the enclosed zip file so I could have my mail forwarded. DON'T do it! Marv S- your email was the one that forwarded it, so you have the virus. It came to me as from my own ISP, but in the properties the sender was Marv's email. Be careful! Chris From stodd@vippn.com Wed Mar 03 16:21:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93792 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 00:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 00:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 00:20:54 -0000 Received: from home1 (65-45-140-140-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.140]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 51C0314E0BC for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 18:20:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006d01c4017f$44026ae0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 18:23:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: trying to record several hours off some radio stations.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude LM317- available from Shady O'Rack with diagram on the back of the package. They have all the parts you'll need too, except for the 240 ohm resistor. You could get by with a 220 instead. Use one of their mini experimenters PC boards to build the thing on. These radios draw a small enough amount of power that unless you're dropping a large voltage you probably won't need a heat sink ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > if I use a 12V car battery or 6V lantern battery, what type of voltage > regulator would be good to get the voltage down to somewhere between > 4.5 and 5V? and how would I hook it up? From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Mar 03 16:54:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50491 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 00:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 00:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 00:54:34 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B57641470CA for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 00:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EAE1470C0 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 00:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040303184703.01bd54f0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 20:05:33 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Select-A-Tenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. Living IN Bensalem, PA, their are no real music formatted stations in AM Stereo. If I get a Select-A-Tenna (With the Amp that increases up to 40DB), what can I expect to get from other markets that will be in Stereo and music formatted? I'm near Philly. Would WREF or WZZB be possible? I don't know how AM DXing works, but really would like to start recording airchecks in AM Stereo. WTTM is like the only music format I get for AM Stereo. Also the Spanish music format at 1310, (Call letters escape me right now), but the former WSSJ I believe a soft AC/oldies. Thanks, John (Who wants to make sure the money will be well spent before I spend that much on the Select-A-Tenna.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Mar 03 17:06:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45726 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 01:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 01:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 01:06:44 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2414Q2H051756; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 20:04:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <4046810B.4080009@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 20:06:19 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BROADCAST NET , Radio-Tech forum , AMSTEREO FORUM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Rough day... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 OK I had a very rough day today , and no mood for BS... how many of you received an Email From a Congressman today..?? they Vote themselves raises then ask For Donations... They Broke this camels back.. I wonder when I will Be getting a Knock On my door From some secret branch of Govt.. I sure hope its with some JOB Offer with Benefits I will Forward it For all to read..... at the Bottom Of this Letter is a CC of My reply back to the Congressman... Dear Neal, It is extremely important that you immediately sign the attached CITIZENS PETITION TO MICHAEL POWELL, FCC COMMISSIONER and send it to him today. Please, this may be the most important action you take this year to restore decency on our televisions and radios. And here's why. . . * The Hollywood liberals are determined to pollute our televisions and flaunt their x-rated filth in our faces; * The actions by Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake at this year's Super Bowl were the most egregious I've ever seen - but in no way are such antics out of the ordinary for these smut peddlers; * The media liberals and their cronies will stop at nothing to push their anti-family agenda; * The FCC is the governing body that controls what is on our televisions; * Michael Powell is the Chairman of the FCC; * Unless they take action, the Hollywood liberals will be given free license to show pornography to our children. This is why I am hoping you will add your name to the growing list of people who are outraged by the actions of Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake at this year's Super Bowl. Our public airwaves are no place for this kind of smut and indecency. We need FCC Commissioner Michael Powell and his fellow Commissioners to crack down wherever and whenever possible. They must know we are serious...and we are outraged. Unless you and I act today, the next time we turn on our television we may very well be seeing the MTV liberals flaunting their x-rated filth at will. Please do not delay. Sign the attached CITIZENS PETITION TO MICHAEL POWELL, FCC COMMISSIONER and send it to him today. In addition, I hope you will send the NRCC an urgently-needed gift of $HPC, $HPC x 1.5, or $HPC x 2. The actions of Janet Jackson, Justin Timberlake and the Hollywood liberals are exactly why the mission of the NRCC is so crucial. We need to elect more men and women who share our values. We cannot take any chances. This is why your contribution is urgently needed. The campaign season is in full swing. And the media liberals are teaming up with the Democrats to defeat every Republican possible. The only way we will have the resources we need is with your generous support. So please send me an urgently-needed gift of $HPC, $HPC x 1.5, or $HPC x 2 right now. I will make sure your gift is put to use to elect pro-family candidates to the U.S. House. Together, we will keep our country strong and our television free of this unacceptable behavior. Thank you for your support. Sincerely, Tom Reynolds Chairman National Republican Congressional Committee P.S. We must send a message to Michael Powell that we will not stand for the MTV liberals' smut peddling. Please sign the CITIZENS PETITION TO MICHAEL POWELL, FCC COMMISSIONER today. Please forward this message to your friends and family. MY REPLY BACK to the CONGRESSMAN Dear Tom, I have been out of work(Unemployed something most congressman have never delt with) Most of Bush's Term in Office... a family of 4 with no Health insurance. How about a JOB and we VOTE BUSH OUT...... The FCC is beyond repair...Congress is at fault... dont blame Michael Powell for the Problems at the FCC. The problems at the FCC were created by Congress Lets get rid of the politicians and Lawyers at the FCC and fill the positions with real engineers. maybe things will Get back to normal.. I for one could use a JOB. One last thing... you guys keep voting yourselves a raise in your Salaries. Its time to give it back to us taxpayers. From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Mar 03 18:07:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 90575 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 02:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 02:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 02:07:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2004 02:07:01 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75984 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 00:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 00:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 00:19:06 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.14.) id r.15a.2f0b8263 (17526) for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:18:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <15a.2f0b8263.2d77cfd2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:18:26 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.8 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is it my imagination, or... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 04 Mar 2004 02:07:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 Here's the stations I've already said goodbye to now KFUO is broadcasting IBOC: 820: WCSN Chicago, IL 830: KOTC Kennett, MO (AM Stereo) 860: KKOW Pittsburg, KS (at sunset) What would happen if KMOX went IBOC? Every AM station in St. Louis would be forced off the air. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Mar 03 19:36:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95354 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 03:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 03:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 03:36:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20040304033625.49452.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.96] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 19:36:25 PST Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:36:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.81 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Expanded Expanded Band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > Probably didn't know any better. However, that > said. > > my 1946 Philco 46-1209 console covers to 1750. > > That was to tune in police communications around > 1700 kHz. After > the band was expanded from 1500 to 1600 kHz in the > early 1940s, > some radios expected a further expansion and tuned > all the way up > to 1800 kHz! That was NARBA in 1941 where a lot of the stations were reassigned. I have a 1942 Philco with 2 bands. Band 1 is 550 to 1500, band 2 1500 to 4. And BTW 540 wasn't added to the BC band until 1955. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From fredymcc@digitel.net Wed Mar 03 20:11:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: fredymcc@digitel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94772 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 04:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 04:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.119) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 04:11:34 -0000 Received: from host-66-81-254-159.rev.o1.com ([66.81.254.159] helo=[66.81.250.183]) by bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AykDu-0004rF-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 20:12:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: fredymcc@digitel.net@mail.digitel.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 18:28:21 -0800 To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.119 From: "Fred Y. McCutcheon" Subject: Re: AMS Narrow and Wide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=80587106 X-Yahoo-Profile: eighthmoon In fact a great deal is transmitted above 10kHz. KABL in San Francisco, which has a first class stereo signal, has excellent fidelity out to 18 kHz. The signal level is well within the NRSC mask which at that frequency limits signal to -25dB relative to the main signal. In actual practice, KABL's signal level at that frequency is usually about -60dB and falling rapidly as the frequency increases. Unfortunately, I suspect that most stations do not care about 10kHz+ signal quality in the firm belief that no one can be listening. Fred > > Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:34:44 -0000 > From: "pianoplayer88key" >Subject: Re: AMS: Narrow and Wide > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: >> pianoplayer88key wrote: >> > Is it 10kHz with a brick-wall filter or 10kHz flat with a gradual >rolloff? >> >> Depending on the brand of filter they are using. Some are a roll off >> starting at 9.25 K dropping like a rock after 10K, and others, like Ball >> Electronics are a brick wall at 10K. The reason the better filters >roll off >> is brick wall filters can cause ringing distortion. >> >> If you see ANYTHING past 10K, it is caused by distortion in the >transmitter. >> >> Kevin in Tampa > >I think you answered my question. I just wanted to know if anything >was transmitted above 10k, even if it was at reduced amplitude, and it >sounds from your answer like it's not supposed to be. From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Mar 04 02:28:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81811 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 10:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 10:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.144) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 10:28:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 02:28:20 -0800 Received: from 68.76.49.242 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:28:20 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 05:28:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2004 10:28:20.0954 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A7D4BA0:01C401D3] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.144 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.76.49.242] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Select-A-Tenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane John - WZZB is going to be an unlikely catch for you. I can barely get them in Indianapolis, some 50 miles away. At night they drop power and is barely readable in Columbus (IN) some 15-20 miles away. I can't help you with the other stations you mention. However, try CFCO 630 (Chatham, ON) as they run 10kW during the day and play oldies/AC. Also, CHUM 1050 (Toronto, ON) and CKOC 1150 (Hamilton, ON) both oldies. Other than that, you should be able to get WJR 760 (Detroit, MI) running talk. Paul Crane >From: John Holcomb II >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Select-A-Tenna >Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 20:05:33 -0500 > >Hi. >Living IN Bensalem, PA, their are no real music formatted stations in AM >Stereo. >If I get a Select-A-Tenna (With the Amp that increases up to 40DB), what >can I expect to get from other markets that will be in Stereo and music >formatted? >I'm near Philly. >Would WREF or WZZB be possible? >I don't know how AM DXing works, but really would like to start recording >airchecks in AM Stereo. >WTTM is like the only music format I get for AM Stereo. Also the Spanish >music format at 1310, (Call letters escape me right now), but the former >WSSJ I believe a soft AC/oldies. >Thanks, > >John (Who wants to make sure the money will be well spent before I spend >that much on the Select-A-Tenna.) > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/loudclear.armx From droland66@yahoo.com Thu Mar 04 06:54:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41519 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 14:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 14:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 14:54:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2004 14:52:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:52:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 558 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "coaxguy99" X-Originating-IP: 206.99.185.163 Subject: silly question regarding AM modulation on an FM band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 since AM in the MW band is so efficient, requiring only about 1.2 MHz of bandwidth, I have a question. Would it be possible to take a bandwidth only double that up near the normal FM band of 88 to 108 MHz that is only 2.4 MHz wide and broadcasts in 15k hi-fi stereo-AM? I bet the quality would be suberb and one could fit 8.33 of those into the the current FM bandwidth. Now that's efficiency! What would the interference be like? Any idea if mathematics would make this possible? Would the sound quality be as good as FM-stereo? Thanks, Alben From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 04 07:51:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61650 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 15:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 15:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 15:51:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2004 15:50:44 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20152 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 13:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 13:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 13:31:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2004 13:29:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:29:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 274 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.96 Subject: Pics of the radio mousie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 04 Mar 2004 15:50:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 To whomever uploaded that mousegirl pic, perhaps these are a bit more apropos of me? ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/amy/as101p.jpg ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/amy/ds-babyamyradio.jpg ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/amy/ds-radiodazes.jpg Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Mar 04 07:53:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12001 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 15:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 15:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 15:53:25 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11) id i24Fqxb6096690 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:53:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001001c40200$c5c7d5c0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:52:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Select-A-Tenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Paul Crane wrote: > WZZB is going to be an unlikely catch for you. I can barely get them in > Indianapolis, some 50 miles away. At night they drop power and is barely > readable in Columbus (IN) some 15-20 miles away. Paul is right. I live in Columbus (IN) 20 miles from the WZZB transmitter and they are lost in the noise at night.. 1390 is a particularly noisy Regional Frequency in this area and WZZB is a 1,000 watt daytimer with 74 watts at night. No way it would make the trip to Philly.... From castellano105@yahoo.com Thu Mar 04 12:45:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59639 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 20:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 20:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 20:45:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2004 20:44:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 20:44:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 776 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 209.26.145.129 Subject: Evolution of Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 In the begining All Radios were Cristal Recevers,with headfones to here the music and the news in the long wave,Middel Wave and short wave band. They all ran on baterrys. Then someone invented the vacum tube and AC Curent to run the Radio, Then someone made a horn to fill the room with music. Then the horn was replace by a speaker. Then came the transistor and it was good. Then came FM Radio and later FM Stereo. Then came AM Stereo AND Now their is AM AND FM IBOC. Evolution at work. Analog to Digital to expect things to stay the same is a evolutionary dead end. Extintion soone follows. For AM Stereo Analog or AM Mono Analog to survive it must evolve to AM Stereo Dgital or face death. For FM Stero is goin that way and so is Television from Analog to Digital. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Mar 04 22:14:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17446 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2004 06:14:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2004 06:14:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2004 06:14:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2004 06:14:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 06:14:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 394 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: could someone confirm/deny stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/KWST_1430_ElCentro_recorded_ElCajon_3pm-4pm_03042004.MP3 > > the signal's fading some and there's adjacent-channel interference, > but I thought I could hear separation on this station so I recorded > about an hour of it unscoped. do I need to find a better signal? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Mar 04 22:19:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66544 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2004 06:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2004 06:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2004 06:19:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2004 06:19:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 06:19:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1000 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Is it my imagination, or... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Panasonic Shockwave RQ-SW20. Should I maybe make an attempt at > > converting it to stereo? I still won't be able to get KDIS with > > it, though.... due to 1130AM having poor selectivity on this radio. > > The strange thing is, my friend had one that looked exactly like > yours, and its AM was absolutely horrible -- the audio response was > 2 kHz at best, and all the weaker signals were swamped out by its own > synthesizer noise. Listening to AM on it was like listening to a > radio with the treble turned all the way down and a pillow covering > the speaker. Yours seems much better in comparison, even if its > selectivity isn't that great. how difficult would it be to have a radio whose selectivity drops off like a high cliff once you get above the frequency response? For example.... 9.6kHz = -5dB, 9.7kHz = -5dB, 9.8kHz = -6dB, 9.9kHz = -8dB, 10kHz = -90dB, 10.1kHz = -96dB, 10.2kHz = -100dB ... From droland66@yahoo.com Fri Mar 05 06:57:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23910 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2004 14:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2004 14:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2004 14:57:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2004 14:55:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 14:55:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1053 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "coaxguy99" X-Originating-IP: 206.99.185.225 Subject: still silly question regarding AM modulation on an FM band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 I was hoping someone would let me know if it would be possible to do a 2.4 MHz wide-band stereo AM (15kHz hi-fi) band up around 88MHz that provides twice the fidelity of the current AM band, can have approximately the same number of channels, and is line of sight like FM. The advantage would be that it is AM-stereo and much more efficient than FM (I think). Am I correct on this? Coax --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "coaxguy99" wrote: > since AM in the MW band is so efficient, requiring only about 1.2 MHz > of bandwidth, I have a question. Would it be possible to take a > bandwidth only double that up near the normal FM band of 88 to 108 > MHz that is only 2.4 MHz wide and broadcasts in 15k hi-fi stereo- AM? > I bet the quality would be suberb and one could fit 8.33 of those > into the the current FM bandwidth. Now that's efficiency! What > would the interference be like? Any idea if mathematics would make > this possible? Would the sound quality be as good as FM-stereo? > > Thanks, > Alben From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Fri Mar 05 16:47:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49160 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 00:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 00:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 00:47:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2004 00:47:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 00:47:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 170 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.17.94 Subject: Old Australian (AMS) Radio logo's - where ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan THere was or is a good site which had info about the history of many of the Oz radio station past and present with some of the logos also, anyon remind me of the url ? From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Mar 05 17:39:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14045 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 01:39:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 01:39:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 01:39:39 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-68-124-96-132.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [68.124.96.132]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i261dcX38934 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:39:39 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c4031b$364e06a0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:34:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: Did you know? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys Did you know that there is another AM STEREO SITE ? There web address www.amstereradio.com. So i gess thats why this site address is now www.amstereo.s5.com . I will have to remmeber the two web sites addresses when i give out to some one Wich i have done alot. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Fri Mar 05 18:04:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4413 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 02:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 02:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 02:04:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4EA514E0C1 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:04:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30089-07 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:04:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-140-194-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.194]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A3FFC14E0BF for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:04:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00dd01c40320$203fb7a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:09:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Evolution of Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Crystal radios ran only on the power of the received radio waves- no batteries unless you needed to bias the detector closer to conduction. The first tube sets required batteries, however. Power supplies weren't common til the late 20s. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco Guzman" > In the begining All Radios were Cristal Recevers,with headfones to > here the music and the > news in the long wave,Middel Wave and short wave band. They all ran > on baterrys. From stodd@vippn.com Fri Mar 05 18:05:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29926 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 02:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 02:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 02:05:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E318E14E0C9 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:05:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29995-08 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:05:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-140-194-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.194]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 54EE814E0C8 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:04:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00de01c40320$270e4560$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:09:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is it my imagination, or... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It can be steep, but probably not that steep. Too sharp a drop-off and the filter starts "ringing" when hit with energy near the start of the slope. On a scope you'd see some oscillations created that aren't part of the original signal. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > > how difficult would it be to have a radio whose selectivity drops off > like a high cliff once you get above the frequency response? For > example.... > 9.6kHz = -5dB, 9.7kHz = -5dB, 9.8kHz = -6dB, 9.9kHz = -8dB, 10kHz = > -90dB, 10.1kHz = -96dB, 10.2kHz = -100dB ... From stodd@vippn.com Fri Mar 05 18:05:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81201 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 02:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 02:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 02:05:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0752814E0B1 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:05:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30013-07 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:05:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-140-194-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.194]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 63F2614E0C1 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:05:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00e101c40320$2c6d1680$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:09:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} still silly question regarding AM modulation on an FM band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not in stereo, but this was tried in the late 30s in the 25-50MHz region (approx.) and were known as Apex stations. Since FM was more practical at those frequencies they converted to FM or went dark. Considering we now have more linear detectors than was possible back then, it would be possible to have more stations which would have FM quality signals and still take up less bandwidth. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "coaxguy99" > I was hoping someone would let me know if it would be possible to do > a 2.4 MHz wide-band stereo AM (15kHz hi-fi) band up around 88MHz that > provides twice the fidelity of the current AM band, can have > approximately the same number of channels, and is line of sight like > FM. The advantage would be that it is AM-stereo and much more > efficient than FM (I think). Am I correct on this? From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Mar 05 18:39:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97093 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 02:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 02:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.111) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 02:39:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 18:39:31 -0800 Received: from 172.132.2.140 by bay99-dav7.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 06 Mar 2004 02:39:31 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 21:37:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2004 02:39:31.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[40F43A30:01C40324] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.111 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.132.2.140] Subject: Fw: {AMSF} Did you know? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jimsmith wrote: > Hi Guys Did you know that there is another AM STEREO SITE ? Hi Jim! You missed a few! The original AM Stereo site is http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/amstereo.htm Also check out: http://www.stereoam.com http://www.geocities.com/amstereo2000/ Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Mar 05 19:34:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75277 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 03:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 03:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 03:34:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2004 03:34:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 03:34:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00de01c40320$270e4560$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 820 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Is it my imagination, or... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key ok, how about starting to roll off gradually at around 7.5kHz, a little more steeply around 9khz, then at 10kHz it's down -75dB to -100dB? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > It can be steep, but probably not that steep. Too sharp a drop-off and the > filter starts "ringing" when hit with energy near the start of the slope. > On a scope you'd see some oscillations created that aren't part of the > original signal. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > > how difficult would it be to have a radio whose selectivity drops off > > like a high cliff once you get above the frequency response? For > > example.... > > 9.6kHz = -5dB, 9.7kHz = -5dB, 9.8kHz = -6dB, 9.9kHz = -8dB, 10kHz = > > -90dB, 10.1kHz = -96dB, 10.2kHz = -100dB ... From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 05 21:56:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 36970 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 05:56:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 05:56:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 05:56:27 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2004 05:54:11 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5283 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 03:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 03:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 03:54:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2004 03:54:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 03:54:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.35 Subject: Re: Is it my imagination, or... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 06 Mar 2004 05:54:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > ok, how about starting to roll off gradually at around 7.5kHz, a > little more steeply around 9khz, then at 10kHz it's down -75dB to - 100dB? Just to put it in perspective, every 6dB is a factor of two; that is, if you increase the signal by 6dB, you double the signal strength. Cut it by 6dB, and it's half as strong. The NRSC curve has it set at something like -30dB at 15kHz from carrier, but only -6dB at 10.2kHz. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Mar 05 22:06:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16439 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 06:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 06:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 06:06:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2004 06:05:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 06:05:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 911 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Is it my imagination, or... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > ok, how about starting to roll off gradually at around 7.5kHz, a > > little more steeply around 9khz, then at 10kHz it's down -75dB to - > 100dB? > > Just to put it in perspective, every 6dB is a factor of two; that is, > if you increase the signal by 6dB, you double the signal strength. > Cut it by 6dB, and it's half as strong. > > The NRSC curve has it set at something like -30dB at 15kHz from > carrier, but only -6dB at 10.2kHz. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ how much of a dropoff would i have to have so that at 20kHz away from the assigned frequency while I'm standing right outside the fence enclosing a 50kW flamethrowing tower, there would be no detectable signal? (at 10khz there might still be a little bit of a signal though). From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 05 23:21:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54725 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 07:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 07:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 07:21:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2004 07:21:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 07:21:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 760 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.126.221.242 Subject: Re: Fw: {AMSF} Did you know? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > jimsmith wrote: > > Hi Guys Did you know that there is another AM STEREO SITE ? > > Hi Jim! > You missed a few! > > The original AM Stereo site is > http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/amstereo.htm > > Also check out: > > http://www.stereoam.com > > http://www.geocities.com/amstereo2000/ > > Kevin in Tampa > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn Hey Possum Hunter I knew about thoughs . But that one i found useing the old address for his site. www.amstereoradio.com Do you know hoo is runing the new site some one from hear or no? Jim Smith From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Mar 06 00:16:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68003 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 08:16:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 08:16:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 08:16:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2004 08:16:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:16:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 914 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: problems with SRF-42.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key ok... last night I left it outside recording Radio Disney (in mono, though - KMIK is the best signal I get at night, and KDIS is marginal) overnight onto a portable mp3 recorder... and both of them were wet with dew when I got them the next morning. (I just posted about the mp3 recorder on the PogoMP3 group, so I won't deal with that here). Anyway... the SRF-42 worked just fine until a little bit ago, when it started acting up on the stereo. I changed the batteries thinking they were starting to go, but that didn't cure it, and now something seems to be quite hosed. It still seems to tune stations, but the audio is weak and badly distorted. What could I do about this? if I need to get another radio, what would you recommend for what I paid for the SRF-42? Or... is there a way I could get plans so I could build my own digitally-tuned NRSC-compliant very sensitive and selective AM Stereo radio? From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 06 03:11:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80404 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 11:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 11:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 11:11:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2004 11:11:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:11:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1284 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.12.124 Subject: Re: problems with SRF-42.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > ok... last night I left it outside recording Radio Disney (in mono, > though - KMIK is the best signal I get at night, and KDIS is marginal) > overnight onto a portable mp3 recorder... and both of them were wet > with dew when I got them the next morning. (I just posted about the > mp3 recorder on the PogoMP3 group, so I won't deal with that here). > Anyway... the SRF-42 worked just fine until a little bit ago, when it > started acting up on the stereo. I changed the batteries thinking > they were starting to go, but that didn't cure it, and now something > seems to be quite hosed. It still seems to tune stations, but the > audio is weak and badly distorted. What could I do about this? if I > need to get another radio, what would you recommend for what I paid > for the SRF-42? Or... is there a way I could get plans so I could > build my own digitally-tuned NRSC-compliant very sensitive and > selective AM Stereo radio? Hi For what i spent on my A300 it has been very werth it. I got it from www.audiocubes.com for $118 but its not a disaportment. It sounds great and tunes in a lot of stations. I herd from some one it tunes in like the GE super radio. Jim Smith From aalso@netzero.com Sat Mar 06 08:06:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43923 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 16:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 16:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 16:06:47 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([66.157.217.77]) by imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040306160642.WPMV9700.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 11:06:42 -0500 Message-ID: <4049F716.9050000@netzero.com> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:06:46 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.69 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: Re: Is it my imagination, or... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr First, Amy it's every 3db is double or half of the power ratio :) Now for this magic radio, if you want it ti not be able to receive a 50KW station at the fence 20Khz off the carrier might I suggest that you turn the radio off. (and that still may not work) I don't care how good you make it in the near field of a 50 it's going to get through even if it just gets into the speaker leads. Also for clarification, the first adjacent channel (10 kHz difference) will never be separable. This is because, the audio information is all transmitted in the side bands according the audio frequency being broadcast. Thus if you have a carrier on 1160 transmitting a tone of 5 Khz and one on 1170 transmitting the same tone. Looking on a spectrum analyzer you will see that each station will have 3 spikes of energy 1 on the carrier frequency, and one on each side of the carrier 5Khz away. Since 1160 + 5 = 1165 and 1170 -5= 1165 you can easily see that the desired information from each station is the exact same spectrum. The only variation on this would be if your were suppressing one of the side bands and shifting the energy to the other side band (humm sounds kind of like a power side). With newer digital signal processing (DSP) it's easily obtainable to have a brick wall pass band. The actual receiving circuit will have to operate in the analog world and you just can't cut it off that fast. You can get the response pretty steep but it will be a very narrow band circuit. When we build Diplexors (a device that combines two or more AM transmitters onto the same tower) you will see that the response pass band is very steep and very narrow. > From: "pianoplayer88key" >Subject: Re: Is it my imagination, or... > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > >>> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" >>> wrote: >> >> >>>> > ok, how about starting to roll off gradually at around 7.5kHz, a >>>> > little more steeply around 9khz, then at 10kHz it's down -75dB to - >>> >>> >>> 100dB? >>> >>> Just to put it in perspective, every 6dB is a factor of two; that is, >>> if you increase the signal by 6dB, you double the signal strength. >>> Cut it by 6dB, and it's half as strong. >>> >>> The NRSC curve has it set at something like -30dB at 15kHz from >>> carrier, but only -6dB at 10.2kHz. >>> >>> Amy. <:3 )~~8~ >> >> > >how much of a dropoff would i have to have so that at 20kHz away from >the assigned frequency while I'm standing right outside the fence >enclosing a 50kW flamethrowing tower, there would be no detectable >signal? (at 10khz there might still be a little bit of a signal though). > From castellano105@yahoo.com Sat Mar 06 09:55:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84375 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 17:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 17:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 17:55:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20040306175525.86283.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.69.10.9] by web60205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:55:25 PST Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 09:55:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00dd01c40320$203fb7a0$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.100 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Evolution of Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Thank you for the correction,I hope that you see that Radio has gone a lot of changes sines it birth and will continuew to do so. --- Scott Todd wrote: > Crystal radios ran only on the power of the received > radio waves- no > batteries unless you needed to bias the detector > closer to conduction. The > first tube sets required batteries, however. Power > supplies weren't common > til the late 20s. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Francisco Guzman" > > > In the begining All Radios were Cristal > Recevers,with headfones to > > here the music and the > > news in the long wave,Middel Wave and short wave > band. They all ran > > on baterrys. > > ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From droland66@yahoo.com Sat Mar 06 10:11:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21360 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 18:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 18:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 18:11:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2004 18:10:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 18:10:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e101c40320$2c6d1680$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1140 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "coaxguy99" X-Originating-IP: 216.23.48.139 Subject: Re: {AMSF} still silly question regarding AM modulation on an FM band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 Scott, Thanks for answering. I would like to see high frequency AM tried with modern electronics and AM-stereo. Bet it would sound great. Alben Roland --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Not in stereo, but this was tried in the late 30s in the 25-50MHz region > (approx.) and were known as Apex stations. Since FM was more practical at > those frequencies they converted to FM or went dark. Considering we now > have more linear detectors than was possible back then, it would be possible > to have more stations which would have FM quality signals and still take up > less bandwidth. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "coaxguy99" > > > > I was hoping someone would let me know if it would be possible to do > > a 2.4 MHz wide-band stereo AM (15kHz hi-fi) band up around 88MHz that > > provides twice the fidelity of the current AM band, can have > > approximately the same number of channels, and is line of sight like > > FM. The advantage would be that it is AM-stereo and much more > > efficient than FM (I think). Am I correct on this? From stodd@vippn.com Sat Mar 06 11:06:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96547 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 19:06:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 19:06:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 19:06:42 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BFDC14E0BB for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:06:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20758-03 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:06:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-141-152-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.152]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BE03714E0AF for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:06:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000f01c403ae$e1acaf40$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:11:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} still silly question regarding AM modulation on an FM band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No reason it couldn't be done, but getting the spectrum allocated would be a pain. Then you'd have to have receivers which could pick it up and create enough of a demand for them to make it worth it. There isn't a whole lot between 30-50MHz anymore and I'm surprised there isn't a lot of clamor from some other services trying to move what's left onto other bands where much of what was originally there has already migrated so they can use the vacated spectrum. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "coaxguy99" > Thanks for answering. I would like to see high frequency AM tried > with modern electronics and AM-stereo. Bet it would sound great. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 06 14:32:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28892 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 22:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 22:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 22:32:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2004 22:32:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 22:32:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c403ae$e1acaf40$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1470 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.141 Subject: Re: still silly question regarding AM modulation on an FM band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There isn't a whole lot between 30-50MHz anymore and I'm surprised > there isn't a lot of clamor from some other services trying to move > what's left onto other bands where much of what was originally > there has already migrated so they can use the vacated spectrum. You are correct that a lot of radio services are moving out of the "VHF-Low" band. The "problem" is E-skip -- there is a nationwide fire department frequency around 32-33 MHz and as you can imagine this causes annoyance with out-of-state fire calls coming in and being mistaken for local activity. E-skip was supposedly also one of the reasons why FM broadcast radio moved out of the old Armstrong ~40 MHz band. Still, if they could take a chunk of the VHF-Low band and use it to create a new band for AM stations to migrate to, then there would be no need to trash the existing 530-1700 kHz AM band with IBOC hash and in the "New AM band" stations could be allocated with a wide enough spacing that adjacent-channel interference -- the bane of existing AM & FM radio -- would not be a problem at all. All stations could also have their carrier frequencies locked to a universal standard, like GPS, so that when E-skip does occur, reception of multiple stations on one frequency won't cause the annoying fluttering and beat tones that are a large part of what makes the North American AM band such a mess at night (less so in Europe, where synchronous operation is quite common). From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Mar 06 16:12:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3601 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 00:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 00:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 00:12:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2004 00:12:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 00:12:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1968 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: problems with SRF-42.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key can you post an aircheck somewhere of you tuning in a few stations? I'd like to get an idea of its selectivity (you might try to get X-Tra Sports 690 out from under KNBR 680 or 760 KFMB out from under 740 KCBS) and audio response - maybe try KABL 960 if it's still stereo and KFRC 610 if it still transmits wideband audio even though it's not stereo. Also, how sensitive is it compared to an SRF-42, and does it tune all the way up to or past 1700kHz? And, is it using a forced-stereo system or will it only kick in on an actual stereo (pilot) signal? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > ok... last night I left it outside recording Radio Disney (in mono, > > though - KMIK is the best signal I get at night, and KDIS is > marginal) > > overnight onto a portable mp3 recorder... and both of them were wet > > with dew when I got them the next morning. (I just posted about the > > mp3 recorder on the PogoMP3 group, so I won't deal with that here). > > Anyway... the SRF-42 worked just fine until a little bit ago, when > it > > started acting up on the stereo. I changed the batteries thinking > > they were starting to go, but that didn't cure it, and now something > > seems to be quite hosed. It still seems to tune stations, but the > > audio is weak and badly distorted. What could I do about this? if > I > > need to get another radio, what would you recommend for what I paid > > for the SRF-42? Or... is there a way I could get plans so I could > > build my own digitally-tuned NRSC-compliant very sensitive and > > selective AM Stereo radio? > > > Hi For what i spent on my A300 it has been very werth it. I got it > from www.audiocubes.com for $118 but its not a disaportment. It > sounds great and tunes in a lot of stations. I herd from some one it > tunes in like the GE super radio. Jim Smith From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Mar 06 17:24:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20962 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 01:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 01:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.121) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 01:24:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 17:24:00 -0800 Received: from 172.152.217.31 by bay99-dav17.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 01:23:59 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: , References: Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 20:21:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2004 01:24:00.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE707260:01C403E2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.121 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.152.217.31] Subject: Re: Fw: {AMSF} Did you know? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jim smith wrote: >But that one i found useing the old address for his site. www.amstereoradio.com Do you know hoo is runing the new site some one from hear or no? Yes Jim, Mathew Trim has always owned the domain www.amstereoradio.com All this web site has ever done was re-direct your browser to other web sites. Originally, when you went to www.amstereoradio.com it would send your computer to Alex K's site http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/amstereo.htm Later he changed it to direct your computer to Kevin T's site http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/ Recently he changed www.amstereoradio.com to direct your computer to www.1240keva.com/amstereo which belongs to Michael J. Richard. Mathew Trim also owns www.amstereo.net , www.amstereo.org and www.amstereo.info These also point you to www.1240keva.com/amstereo ! Both Mathew Trim and Michael Richard are AM Stereo fans who work VERY hard to promote Stereo broadcasting on the Medium Wave band. They are both active members of Bob's group, http://lists.topica.com/lists/amstereo/ and http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/AMStereo Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From dougharding@mindspring.com Sat Mar 06 20:15:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29020 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 04:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 04:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 04:15:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2004 04:15:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:15:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 701 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.81.92 Subject: Why FM moved to 88-108mhz from 40mhz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I believe there was one reason and one reason only why the FM band was moved up to where it is today. The FCC did it at RCAs request to destroy Armstrong and bankrupt his FM network in the northeast that was starting to thrive. It made all current radios worthless at the time and help set FM back 30 years. RCA was furious when the FCC chose FM for TV sound and RCA refused to pay Armstrong any royalties and it dragged through the courts for years. I believe Armstrong died before the case was settled. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: E-skip was supposedly also one > of the reasons why FM broadcast radio moved out of the old Armstrong > ~40 MHz band. From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Mar 06 20:28:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49048 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 04:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 04:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 04:28:50 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040307042847.UOON25273.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:28:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 20:28:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.125 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why FM moved to 88-108mhz from 40mhz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe if Armstrong felt that the lower frequency was causing=20 problems, HE would have wanted it moved. It was RCA's Sarnoff who=20 pushed to have it moved; since RCA had no interest in FM for years to=20 come, I also believe that Sarnoff did it to screw Armstrong. Yes, Armstrong died before the suits were settled, but his wife=20 (ex-wife? I can't recall if they were separated or divorced) kept them=20 going and eventually won. Sarnoff was a marketing guy who acted as an a@@. Glad I own a Zenith TV=20 ... On Saturday, March 6, 2004, at 08:15 PM, douglasharding wrote: > I believe there was one reason and one reason only why the FM band was > moved up to where it is today. The FCC did it at RCAs request to > destroy Armstrong and bankrupt his FM network in the northeast that > was starting to thrive. It made all current radios worthless at the > time and help set FM back 30 years. RCA was furious when the FCC chose > FM for TV sound and RCA refused to pay Armstrong any royalties and it > dragged through the courts for years. I believe Armstrong died before > the case was settled. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 > wrote: > E-skip was supposedly also one > > of the reasons why FM broadcast radio moved out of the old Armstrong > > ~40 MHz band. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 06 20:32:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1552 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 04:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 04:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 04:32:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2004 04:32:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:32:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1715 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.6 Subject: Re: AM Stereo web site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Originally, when you went to www.amstereoradio.com it would send > your computer to Alex K's site > http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/amstereo.htm > Later he changed it to direct your computer to Kevin T's site > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/ > Recently he changed www.amstereoradio.com to direct your computer > to http://www.1240keva.com/amstereo > which belongs to Michael J. Richard. Just a footnote to all this... the web site I maintain is a direct descendant of Alex K's original "Official AM Stereo Page" (which is still online, but was last updated nearly 3 years ago). I have redesigned and updated it, but in essence, it is still the web site which Alex created -- as you can see, the hit counter dates back to March 6th, 1998, the first day he put it up on the web. Neither Alex nor I had any part in Mr. Trim's decision to redirect the www.amstereoradio.com domain to Mr. Richard's new web site. That is their own venture and I wish them well. However, "The Official AM Stereo Web Site" is and will continue to be available both at my original CompuServe address (listed above) and at the following short-cut link that has been active for about a year now: http://amstereo.s5.com In the very near future, the accessibility and capacity of this web site will be further enhanced. As of yet, I can't share any of the details, but when I am ready to make the announcement, of course the members of this Forum will be the first to know. p.s. In case you are wondering, the towers shown on the web site's main page are those of 920 WPHY in Trenton, NJ -- unfortunately, never an AM Stereo station, but definitely one with a photogenic transmitter site. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Mar 06 21:40:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33292 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 05:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 05:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41008.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.7) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 05:40:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20040307054058.22992.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.44.117] by web41008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Mar 2004 21:40:58 PST Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:40:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.7 From: JNR Subject: AM Stereo web sites X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Please make the following changes to the AM Stereo websites: 1000/"WESA"-David Shores, St. Augustine, Fl. hasn't been on the air in 2 years. The transmitter is up here in Rhode Island. 1240/WOON-Woonsocket, R.I. hasn't been stereo since 1999. The owner likes stereo but doesn't think it has a future. Thanks & 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 07 00:05:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15157 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 08:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 08:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 08:05:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2004 08:05:53 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42873 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 07:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 07:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 07:34:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2004 07:34:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 07:34:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.160 Subject: Synchronous AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 07 Mar 2004 08:05:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > All stations could also have their carrier frequencies locked to a > universal standard, like GPS, so that when E-skip does occur, > reception of multiple stations on one frequency won't cause the > annoying fluttering and beat tones that are a large part of what > makes the North American AM band such a mess at night (less so in > Europe, where synchronous operation is quite common). Only if it was over a relatively small region, like England, for example, which is about 400 miles long, north to south. (The entire islande of Britain is about as big as California, nearly 900 miles long.) The reason is obvious, if you understand the speed of light, which is not instantaneous. In order to be synchronous, the waves must peak and trough at close enough to the same moment, which is often less than a few miliseconds to be useful. Any greater, and we're talking phase cancellations, or heaven forbid, shifts in frequency by variable distance caused by a shifting ionospheric layer (or two). To keep things in perspective, the Earth is only .12 light-seconds around, and the Moon is 1.5 light-seconds away. (This is why moonbounce takes a 3-second roundtrip.) Just this small fraction is enough to cause an echoing effect, particularly noticable on shortwave, but has been known to happen on LW, MW and VHF-Lo. In other words, it's impossible to have a truly synchronous terrestrial radio system without something at a common distance between all of them, especially over very large areas, and certainly not globally. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 07 01:08:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39711 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 09:08:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 09:08:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 09:08:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2004 09:08:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 09:08:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1794 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.6 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why FM moved to 88-108mhz from 40mhz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I believe if Armstrong felt that the lower frequency was causing > problems, HE would have wanted it moved. It was RCA's Sarnoff who > pushed to have it moved; since RCA had no interest in FM for years > to come, I also believe that Sarnoff did it to screw Armstrong. FWIW, I've heard that the potential for E-skip interference was also part of the reason why VHF TV Channel 1 was cancelled (I'm not sure if any Ch.1 stations actually went on the air, but many of the early post-war TV sets did include Ch.1 tuning). Summertime E-skip is already enough of an annoyance on Channel 2 (screeching noises in the audio, and wavy lines and ghosts in the video) that I can imagine it would be bad enough to render Channel 1 unviewable at times. Anyway, Armstrong may have already been thinking of a move to higher frequencies. In addition to 42.8 MHz, his experimental station W2XMN was licensed for operation on 117.43 MHz. Also, in 1937, KGFJ in Los Angeles was licensed to transmit at 88, 120, 240, and 500 MHz -- using AM. The original FCC plan for the VHF ("Apex") broadcasting band was 75 channels with 40 kHz separation on 41.02 to 43.98 MHz. Stations could use either AM or FM. In 1940, this became the 42-50 MHz FM "low-band". FM broadcasting was reallocated to 88-108 MHz in 1945, but Armstrong's low-band station stayed on the air until 1949. It took quite a while for the FM "high-band" to fully deploy in the rest of the world; the original Becker radio in my 1981 Mercedes only tuned up to 104 MHz on FM. Germany later expanded their FM band to 106 MHz, and then finally up to 108 MHz. And speaking of which, in Europe, you can use either AM or FM on Citizen's Band (CB) radio, whereas in North America, only AM (single or double-sideband) is allowed. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 07 02:45:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86295 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 10:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 10:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 10:45:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2004 10:44:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 10:44:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006001c400ac$916c8640$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1251 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.12.135 Subject: Re: Project AM STEREO under way. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I hate to burst your bubble, but I don't think this will work. Doubtless > this station is owned by some big corporation, and likely they have a policy > that won't allow the engineer to install just anything. I know I face that > as a CE of three Salem stations. It might be possible to install something > like this on the sly if the engineer is really sympathetic, but even many of > those that are will still choose to be "just following orders" and you'll > have wasted your time. Whatever station decides to use this will still have > to get a stereo modulation monitor, as there's no way to set the generator > up right without one. I applaud your initiative, however. Please keep us > updated. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jimsmith" > > > Hi Guys I finley did it i just ordered a AM STEREO exciter for a sertan > station 610 kc . If thay still don't use i will offer it to my local radio > station on 950 kc. But i want to try 610 am first because thay have the > maching trannsmitter. Thay have a Harris Gates 5 5kw and the exciter i am > going to send them is a Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO Exciter. > > From jimsmith@vfr.net Sun Mar 07 04:05:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7890 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 12:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 12:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 12:05:37 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-67-124-14-99.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.124.14.99]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i27C5bh20030 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 04:05:37 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01c4043b$d5965fc0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 04:00:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: A good move for IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys I think if IBOC was moved off AM and to the unused part of the uhf tv band between ch 70 and ch 83 It would be a much better thing for every body. I can't take the credit for this some one els on the form had this good idea. Oh yes KFRC AM 610 is still a 10khz. And thay do sound good for a mono station but i would very much like them to be back in stereo. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Mar 07 05:31:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33945 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 13:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 13:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 13:31:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2004 13:31:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:31:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 185 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.141.176.52 Subject: KLH 21 AM/FM vs Sangean WR-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Has anyone here bought the new wooden Sangean WR-1? http://www.rffun.com/catalog/spcialty/4394.html I wonder how it compares to the KLH 21 that Chris Cuff mentioned a few weeks ago... From castellano105@yahoo.com Sun Mar 07 06:03:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59593 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 14:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 14:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.97) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 14:03:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20040307140235.52628.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.45.228.197] by web60202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 06:02:35 PST Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 06:02:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.97 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why FM moved to 88-108mhz from 40mhz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Actually their is a Citizen Band on FM,That you can use that the Wake Tacke from 1/4 mille range to 5 mille Range. For the 5 mille range you must register with the FCC,but donot need to tacke a exam. --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > I believe if Armstrong felt that the lower > frequency was causing > > problems, HE would have wanted it moved. It was > RCA's Sarnoff who > > pushed to have it moved; since RCA had no interest > in FM for years > > to come, I also believe that Sarnoff did it to > screw Armstrong. > > FWIW, I've heard that the potential for E-skip > interference was also > part of the reason why VHF TV Channel 1 was > cancelled (I'm not sure > if any Ch.1 stations actually went on the air, but > many of the early > post-war TV sets did include Ch.1 tuning). > Summertime E-skip is > already enough of an annoyance on Channel 2 > (screeching noises in the > audio, and wavy lines and ghosts in the video) that > I can imagine it > would be bad enough to render Channel 1 unviewable > at times. > > Anyway, Armstrong may have already been thinking of > a move to higher > frequencies. In addition to 42.8 MHz, his > experimental station W2XMN > was licensed for operation on 117.43 MHz. Also, in > 1937, KGFJ in > Los Angeles was licensed to transmit at 88, 120, > 240, and 500 MHz -- > using AM. > > The original FCC plan for the VHF ("Apex") > broadcasting band was > 75 channels with 40 kHz separation on 41.02 to 43.98 > MHz. Stations > could use either AM or FM. In 1940, this became the > 42-50 MHz FM > "low-band". FM broadcasting was reallocated to > 88-108 MHz in 1945, > but Armstrong's low-band station stayed on the air > until 1949. > > It took quite a while for the FM "high-band" to > fully deploy in the > rest of the world; the original Becker radio in my > 1981 Mercedes only > tuned up to 104 MHz on FM. Germany later expanded > their FM band to > 106 MHz, and then finally up to 108 MHz. > > And speaking of which, in Europe, you can use either > AM or FM on > Citizen's Band (CB) radio, whereas in North America, > only AM (single > or double-sideband) is allowed. > > > ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Sun Mar 07 11:46:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73494 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 19:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 19:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 19:46:24 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752AA14E0BF for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:46:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25498-01 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:46:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-141-147-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.147]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 06A4914E0BD for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:46:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003801c4047d$997ac700$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:44:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} problems with SRF-42.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You might try spraying the switches with contact cleaner. If you can get a hold of some De-Oxit R5 spray, so much the better. Likely the excess moisture didn't do it any good. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > Anyway... the SRF-42 worked just fine until a little bit ago, when it > started acting up on the stereo. I changed the batteries thinking > they were starting to go, but that didn't cure it, and now something > seems to be quite hosed. It still seems to tune stations, but the > audio is weak and badly distorted. What could I do about this? if I > need to get another radio, what would you recommend for what I paid > for the SRF-42? Or... is there a way I could get plans so I could > build my own digitally-tuned NRSC-compliant very sensitive and > selective AM Stereo radio? From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Mar 07 12:04:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2408 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 20:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 20:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41214.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 20:04:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20040307200423.90431.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.24.65] by web41214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 12:04:23 PST Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:04:23 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1078657085.295.75956.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.47 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Jim you are right Pianoplayer 88 should get the SRF A300 it tunes as go= od as the superadio and at night the locals "narrow" back allowing stations= 9kHz away to be audible. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi For what i spent on my A300 it has been very werth it. I got it=20 from www.audiocubes.com for $118 but its not a disaportment. It=20 sounds great and tunes in a lot of stations. I herd from some one it=20 tunes in like the GE super radio. Jim Smith Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Mar 07 14:29:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40069 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 22:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 22:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 22:29:17 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11) id i27MTFrQ002362 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:29:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001701c40493$a0e65610$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 17:29:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why FM moved to 88-108mhz from 40mhz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > I believe there was one reason and one reason only why the FM band was > moved up to where it is today. The FCC did it at RCAs request to > destroy Armstrong and bankrupt his FM network in the northeast that > was starting to thrive. It made all current radios worthless at the > time and help set FM back 30 years. RCA was furious when the FCC chose > FM for TV sound and RCA refused to pay Armstrong any royalties and it > dragged through the courts for years. I believe Armstrong died before > the case was settled. You are absolutely right about why FM was moved from 40-50 MHz to 91-108 MHz. As for Armstrong.... He didn't just die.. He dressed up in his "Sunday Best" and jumped out a window to commit suicide. The court cases were settled later and his ex-wife (who deserted him in his time of need) reaped all of the money from the judgments (estimated to be in the millions). A sad story and one that should make the people at GE/RCA very proud. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 07 15:51:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49866 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 23:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 23:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 23:51:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2004 23:51:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 23:51:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c40493$a0e65610$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 423 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.140 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why FM moved to 88-108mhz from 40mhz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > A sad story and one that should make the people at GE/RCA very > proud. One ironic moment was right after 9/11/01 when WNBC-TV -- owned by GE/RCA -- got back on the air by installing a transmitter at the Armstrong tower in Alpine, NJ. The only major NYC TV station whose signal didn't get knocked off the air was WCBS-TV, because they had maintained a 35-year-old Harris transmitter at the Empire State Building. From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Mar 07 16:46:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40517 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2004 00:46:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2004 00:46:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2004 00:46:07 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11) id i280k56n023025 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 17:46:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004a01c404a6$be56ac50$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:46:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why FM moved to 88-108mhz from 40mhz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > Regarding the sad demise of Edwin Armstrong I wrote: > > A sad story and one that should make the people at GE/RCA very > > proud. > To which Kevin repliled: > One ironic moment was right after 9/11/01 when WNBC-TV -- owned by > GE/RCA -- got back on the air by installing a transmitter at the > Armstrong tower in Alpine, NJ. The only major NYC TV station whose > signal didn't get knocked off the air was WCBS-TV, because they had > maintained a 35-year-old Harris transmitter at the Empire State > Building. I was having that exact thought when I wrote my earlier post but left it out of my final sentance because I had concluded my reply. Also...I want to correct my statement: . I musta had a mental vaporlock... I know the FM band begins at 88.1 MHz (we even have a station in our non-com group on 88.1). Go figure... From dav259@csiro.au Sun Mar 07 17:16:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98395 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2004 01:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2004 01:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2004 01:16:35 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i281GUKY015467 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:16:33 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:16:30 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old Australian (AMS) Radio logo's - where ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 6 Mar 2004, Dave wrote: > THere was or is a good site which had info about the history of many > of the Oz radio station past and present with some of the logos also, > anyon remind me of the url ? Dave - I think you're referring to The Jingles Shrine. I can't find it anymore. I think it may be gone - which is a great shame. Ian From dav259@csiro.au Sun Mar 07 17:56:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8017 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2004 01:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2004 01:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2004 01:56:56 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i281urKY017140 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:56:54 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:56:53 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo web site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Kevin T. wrote: > Just a footnote to all this... the web site I maintain is a direct > descendant of Alex K's original "Official AM Stereo Page" (which is > still online, but was last updated nearly 3 years ago). I have > redesigned and updated it, but in essence, it is still the web site > which Alex created -- as you can see, the hit counter dates back to > March 6th, 1998, the first day he put it up on the web. > > Neither Alex nor I had any part in Mr. Trim's decision to redirect > the www.amstereoradio.com domain to Mr. Richard's new web site. > That is their own venture and I wish them well. As I recall Chris, Kevin Redding, Donn Tillman, and I paid for amstereoradio.com to go to Ben because registration was cheaper in NZ. When Ben became too busy to run it I contributed again for Matt to run it from Brisbane. We can never have too many AMS web sites! Thanks to Kevin T for keeping it going for a couple of years when nobody else seemed to want to bother. Ian Melbourne From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Mar 07 22:09:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27148 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2004 06:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2004 06:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2004 06:09:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2004 06:09:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 06:09:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003801c4047d$997ac700$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1200 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} problems with SRF-42.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key actually... it miraculously started working again..... although I still wish I could get KDIS or KPRO or KMIK better... (or any english-language station with a callsign that doesn't start with an X or K, (and probably also add W, C, and V)... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > You might try spraying the switches with contact cleaner. If you can get a > hold of some De-Oxit R5 spray, so much the better. Likely the excess > moisture didn't do it any good. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > Anyway... the SRF-42 worked just fine until a little bit ago, when it > > started acting up on the stereo. I changed the batteries thinking > > they were starting to go, but that didn't cure it, and now something > > seems to be quite hosed. It still seems to tune stations, but the > > audio is weak and badly distorted. What could I do about this? if I > > need to get another radio, what would you recommend for what I paid > > for the SRF-42? Or... is there a way I could get plans so I could > > build my own digitally-tuned NRSC-compliant very sensitive and > > selective AM Stereo radio? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Mar 07 22:20:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2822 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2004 06:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2004 06:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2004 06:20:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2004 06:20:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 06:20:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040307200423.90431.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1562 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I'm tempted. Could someone please post an aircheck taken from it, please, or point me to where I could find one? I'm interested in daytime reception of weak stations out from under strong ones on nearby channels, and frequency response. Also, if I could see a better picture of one than what's posted on the audiocubes.com website it would be nice. How much better should I expect it to be than my SRF-42, which btw is now for some reason working as well as it normally did before its temporary illness? btw.. my dad has an aiwa radio/cassette unit that has a selectivity that's gone to the Lake of Fire, but I listened a little bit to AM on it for a few seconds and actually heard the high frequency hiss while tuned to an IBOC station, something I don't hear on my Panasonic Shockwave. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > > Yes Jim you are right Pianoplayer 88 should get the SRF A300 it tunes as good as the superadio and at night the locals "narrow" back allowing stations 9kHz away to be audible. > Michael > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Hi For what i spent on my A300 it has been very werth it. I got it > from www.audiocubes.com for $118 but its not a disaportment. It > sounds great and tunes in a lot of stations. I herd from some one it > tunes in like the GE super radio. Jim Smith > > > > > > Michael&Ross > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aalso@netzero.com Mon Mar 08 07:44:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1873 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2004 15:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2004 15:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2004 15:44:41 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([68.17.233.166]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040308154440.KERE13717.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:44:40 -0500 Message-ID: <404C94ED.5090603@netzero.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 10:44:45 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.64 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: WSOS St. Augustine Beach.. Stereo Off.. :( X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr I hate to say this but for those planning on air checking WSOS in St. Augustine beach, the Stereo Generator took a dump this morning. I will be trying to repair it soon. but for now I have shifted back to the plain old crystal TFN. Sorry no C-Quam for a few days, until I can figure out what went wrong. It was showing a high VSWR when the Stereo was operating into the antenna. I didn't have time to determine if this was due to some sort of out of band emission, or what else. In morning drive first priority is to get back on any way you can. Alan Alsobrook CE WSOS From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 08 08:28:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18240 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2004 16:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2004 16:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2004 16:28:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2004 16:28:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:28:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004a01c404a6$be56ac50$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 351 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Why FM moved to 88-108mhz from 40mhz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I musta had a mental vaporlock... I know the FM band begins at 88.1 > MHz (we even have a station in our non-com group on 88.1). Go > figure... Actually, it begins at 87.9 MHz ("Channel 200", in the FCC's lingo). There is one licensed station on that frequency, 87.9 KSFH in Mountain View, CA -- a 10-watt Class D station run by a high school. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 08 08:35:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19649 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2004 16:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2004 16:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2004 16:35:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2004 16:33:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:33:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 706 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm tempted. Could someone please post an aircheck taken from it, > please, or point me to where I could find one? I'm interested in > daytime reception of weak stations out from under strong ones on > nearby channels, and frequency response. The Sony SRF-A300 is hard to get an aircheck from, because of its large bass boost (which cannot be switched off). This makes it sound great from the built-in speakers or a pair of smaller earphones, but connecting it to the Aux input of a stereo system or computer sound card will make it sound very dull and bassy. In that case you'll need a carefully adjusted graphic equalizer to cancel out its bass boost and provide a properly balanced sound. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 08 09:56:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49555 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2004 17:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2004 17:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2004 17:56:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2004 17:56:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:56:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 745 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: The beginning of the end... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics iBiquity has _finally_ released its AM IBOC nighttime field report, and the NAB is recommending that all stations be allowed to use IBOC at night with no limitations. They recognize that this will cause interference and will limit most stations' nighttime coverage to the local "core" groundwave area, but the NAB's approach is that everyone should be allowed to use IBOC at night, and then complaints filed with the FCC will take care of any situations where there is unusually severe interference (the classic "damage control" scenario). iBiquity's AM IBOC nighttime field report, as well as NAB's comments, may be viewed online -- search for proceeding "99-325" using this link: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi From castellano105@yahoo.com Mon Mar 08 14:38:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30505 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2004 22:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2004 22:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60209.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2004 22:38:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20040308223854.76241.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.26.145.249] by web60209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:38:54 PST Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 14:38:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001701c40493$a0e65610$6501a8c0@jimspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.104 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why FM moved to 88-108mhz from 40mhz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 The Military tock over the original FM Band it starts at 30MHZ TO 75MHZ Narro FM As a former Army Member I used such Frequencys at Base and at the field. --- Jim Burgan wrote: > > I believe there was one reason and one reason only > why the FM band was > > moved up to where it is today. The FCC did it at > RCAs request to > > destroy Armstrong and bankrupt his FM network in > the northeast that > > was starting to thrive. It made all current radios > worthless at the > > time and help set FM back 30 years. RCA was > furious when the FCC chose > > FM for TV sound and RCA refused to pay Armstrong > any royalties and it > > dragged through the courts for years. I believe > Armstrong died before > > the case was settled. > > You are absolutely right about why FM was moved from > 40-50 MHz to 91-108 > MHz. > As for Armstrong.... He didn't just die.. He dressed > up in his "Sunday Best" > and jumped out a window to commit suicide. > The court cases were settled later and his ex-wife > (who deserted him in his > time of need) reaped all of the money from the > judgments (estimated to be in > the millions). > A sad story and one that should make the people at > GE/RCA very proud. > > ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 08 15:14:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70789 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2004 23:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2004 23:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2004 23:14:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2004 23:14:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:14:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 446 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.24 Subject: WPEN returns to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics After several weeks of testing IBOC, Philadelphia's 950 WPEN is now once again transmitting a C-Quam AM Stereo signal today, with full Stereo separation and on-air IDs as "Stereo 95 AM". Even on my mono car radio, the improvement in clarity and loudness is immediately noticeable compared to when they were transmitting IBOC with 5 kHz mono audio -- and listening in AM Stereo, the fidelity and separation seems even greater than before. From dav259@csiro.au Mon Mar 08 15:24:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75813 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2004 23:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2004 23:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2004 23:24:06 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i28NO3KY015319 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:24:04 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:24:03 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Oz digital trials X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 From Ian MacRae's All About Radio newsletter ... A TESTING TIME FOR ALL ------------------------------------------------------------ In Australia the clouds of war appear to be forming on the digital landscape. There are currently two tests of digital radio underway. One is in Sydney and involves established radio stations who are members of the industry body Commercial Radio Australia. (CRA) The other is in Melbourne and it doesnt involve the CRA. In fact its being run by Broadcast Australia who are a tower operator. In other words they build and operate transmission towers. As if this isnt enough to get up CRAs nose one of the channels is carrying audio from Radio Two which is a new national network of stations set up by World Audio using licenses they bought comparatively cheaply because they were, at the time, considered off-band. Frequencies in the 1611 to 1629am spectrum. They then converted these narrowcast to full commercial broadcast licenses. This woke up the industry who pressured the Government to block any further broadcasters getting a commercial license. CRA, who believe that only existing mainstream commercial stations should eventually get the digital licenses, sees this as a digital foot in the door for World Audio. One thing is certain... networks that have in recent times paid ridiculous megabucks for their licences arent going to sit back and allow long-established AMers and those pesky off-banders, whove paid bugger all for their full-service commercial licences to muscle in here. No sir! We shall see. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Mar 08 15:55:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95895 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2004 23:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2004 23:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2004 23:55:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2004 23:55:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:55:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 129 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: An Odd Little Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Anyone ever see anything like this? Are those tubes inside it??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3082942716 From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 08 16:37:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17913 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 00:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 00:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 00:37:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2004 00:37:04 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70770 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 00:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 00:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 00:08:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2004 00:07:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 00:07:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040308223854.76241.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 480 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.97 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why FM moved to 88-108mhz from 40mhz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Mar 2004 00:37:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Francisco Guzman wrote: > The Military tock over the original FM Band it starts > at 30MHZ TO 75MHZ Narro FM As a former Army Member I > used such Frequencys at Base and at the field. That whole range is usually some police, fire, forest service, sherriff, 6m ham band, and several Part-15/73 license-free services (ie: baby monitors, cordless phones) at 46 and 49MHz), as well as TV channels 2-4. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bratina501@msn.com Mon Mar 08 17:23:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65106 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 01:23:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 01:23:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 01:23:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2004 01:23:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 01:23:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 564 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.49 Subject: Re: problems with SRF-42.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > actually... it miraculously started working again..... > > although I still wish I could get KDIS or KPRO or KMIK better... (or > any english-language station with a callsign that doesn't start with > an X or K, (and probably also add W, C, and V)... I have a similar problem I cannot get KAVT 1680 from Fresno at all since a station in Seattle moved to that frequency and I need a highly directional antenna with little or no pickup in the rear or on the sides. From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Mar 08 17:31:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85458 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 01:31:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 01:31:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 01:31:34 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i291TT2H043912 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:29:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <404D1E73.8080404@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:31:31 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} An Odd Little Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Its a radio receiver I had one of these as a kid... Wow thats cool... have not seen one in years.... mine had a Flashing light bulb in it... I used it as a night light Douglas B. wrote: >Anyone ever see anything like this? Are those tubes inside it??? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3082942716 > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From stodd@vippn.com Mon Mar 08 17:54:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48385 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 01:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 01:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 01:54:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE5014E0C4 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:54:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04901-09 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:54:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-141-143-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.143]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A739814E0C8 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:54:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004201c4057a$26bd36a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:59:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEN returns to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Let's hope it's permanent. I read the NAB's letter to the FCC and lots of folks out there are going to be major-league ticked if it happens. I know The Patriot (WWTC) has a good size audience outside of the nighttime interference-free zone, and am I EVER gonna hear about it when the hash kicks up. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:14 PM Subject: {AMSF} WPEN returns to AM Stereo > After several weeks of testing IBOC, Philadelphia's 950 WPEN is now > once again transmitting a C-Quam AM Stereo signal today, with full > Stereo separation and on-air IDs as "Stereo 95 AM". Even on my mono > car radio, the improvement in clarity and loudness is immediately > noticeable compared to when they were transmitting IBOC with 5 kHz > mono audio -- and listening in AM Stereo, the fidelity and separation > seems even greater than before. From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Mar 08 19:02:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28333 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 03:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 03:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 03:02:15 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040309030213.ULYJ7091.fed1mtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:02:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:02:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2F4A89BB-7176-11D8-BCF4-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.243 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEN returns to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You should call or write to them stating how much better they sound.=20 Might make a difference. On Monday, March 8, 2004, at 03:14 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > After several weeks of testing IBOC, Philadelphia's 950 WPEN is now > once again transmitting a C-Quam AM Stereo signal today, with full > Stereo separation and on-air IDs as "Stereo 95 AM".=A0 Even on my mono > car radio, the improvement in clarity and loudness is immediately > noticeable compared to when they were transmitting IBOC with 5 kHz > mono audio -- and listening in AM Stereo, the fidelity and separation > seems even greater than before. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 08 20:12:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15739 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 04:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 04:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 04:12:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2004 04:12:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 04:12:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004201c4057a$26bd36a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1667 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.24 Subject: Re: nighttime IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Let's hope it's permanent. I read the NAB's letter to the FCC and > lots of folks out there are going to be major-league ticked if it > happens. I know The Patriot (WWTC) has a good size audience > outside of the nighttime interference-free zone, and am I EVER > gonna hear about it when the hash kicks up. It is important to note that the _only_ real-world testing that iBiquity's nighttime IBOC report features are the tests that WOR and WLW performed, dating all the way back to December 2002. Everything else was based on mathematical calculations, laboratory simulations, and computer-based projections of what would happen if every station in the USA began transmitting IBOC at night. Sorry, folks, if you're going to risk the future of 4500+ radio stations across the country, I think you're going to need more real-world testing than just _two_ stations as received on a handful of radios (mostly a GM/Delphi car radio and a Sony boombox). iBiquity also relies upon the conclusion that the interference on the Class C 'graveyard' channels is already so bad at night, that adding IBOC to the mess won't make it much worse than it is now. To me, that's like a company saying "the river is already so polluted, what difference will it make if we dump some more toxic waste into it?"... One interesting thing is that they actually used a GE Superadio III during their nighttime IBOC testing... why was this radio never used during the initial tests? Perhaps because it wouldn't jive with their staunch belief that no radios have any better than 3 kHz audio response on AM, therefore making IBOC's 5 kHz analog audio limit justifiable? From eh@mad.scientist.com Tue Mar 09 00:28:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: eh@mad.scientist.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24437 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 06:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 06:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 06:57:09 -0000 Received: from 6-allhosts (h20af490b2000.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.147.55.171]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004030906570801200nh71ae> (Authid: eirikur1); Tue, 9 Mar 2004 06:57:08 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Electric Brain Message-Id: <1078793668.3202.5.camel@DECserver> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 01:54:29 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.56 From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson Subject: Re: {AMSF} An Odd Little Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61599074 X-Yahoo-Profile: eirikurh On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 00:55, Douglas B. wrote: > Anyone ever see anything like this? Are those tubes inside it??? Yes, there are two models, that vertical one and a horizontal, that as I recall sports a perpetual calendar between the two "lobes." Both, and a fanciful sputnik-shaped design with the same blue plastic contain an assortment of electronic components that are meant to be seen, but that are NOT a part of the circuit in any way. They are probably leftovers, as the resistors look to be of several watts disipation, probably originally for tube TV manufacture. No tubes. Those weren't available at salvage prices. Hmmm, they still aren't. I haven't handled one. They are cute, but I would not expect good performance from them. There just isn't room for either a ferrite rod of reasonable size or a telescoping FM antenna--though I think they are AM only. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3082942716 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 09 00:35:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68610 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 08:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 08:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 08:31:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2004 08:31:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 08:31:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004201c4057a$26bd36a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1230 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.12.74 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEN returns to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Let's hope it's permanent. I read the NAB's letter to the FCC and lots of > folks out there are going to be major-league ticked if it happens. I know > The Patriot (WWTC) has a good size audience outside of the nighttime > interference-free zone, and am I EVER gonna hear about it when the hash > kicks up. > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin T." > To: > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:14 PM > Subject: {AMSF} WPEN returns to AM Stereo > > > > After several weeks of testing IBOC, Philadelphia's 950 WPEN is now > > once again transmitting a C-Quam AM Stereo signal today, with full > > Stereo separation and on-air IDs as "Stereo 95 AM". Even on my mono > > car radio, the improvement in clarity and loudness is immediately > > noticeable compared to when they were transmitting IBOC with 5 kHz > > mono audio -- and listening in AM Stereo, the fidelity and separation > > seems even greater than before. Hi Guys Well thats promising that WPEN 950 AM STEREO is back and kickin!!!!! I herd that KABL 960 am try IBOC for about a month or so and dumed to. Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 09 00:38:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55585 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 08:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 08:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 08:38:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2004 08:38:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 08:38:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2F4A89BB-7176-11D8-BCF4-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1400 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.12.74 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEN returns to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > You should call or write to them stating how much better they=20 sound.=20 > Might make a difference. >=20 > On Monday, March 8, 2004, at 03:14 PM, Kevin T. wrote: >=20 > > After several weeks of testing IBOC, Philadelphia's 950 WPEN is=20 now > > once again transmitting a C-Quam AM Stereo signal today, with full > > Stereo separation and on-air IDs as "Stereo 95 AM".=A0 Even on my=20 mono > > car radio, the improvement in clarity and loudness is immediately > > noticeable compared to when they were transmitting IBOC with 5 kHz > > mono audio -- and listening in AM Stereo, the fidelity and=20 separation > > seems even greater than before. > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > =A0 > > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > =A0 > > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 Service. > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hi guys That is promising that WPEN 950 AM STEREO is back agan. I=20 herd that KABL 960 AM STEREO try IBOC for a month or so and then=20 dumded it. Jim Smith From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Mar 09 00:40:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33096 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 08:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 08:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 08:40:07 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.37.182]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 03:48:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c405b1$c5b8f640$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <404D1E73.8080404@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 03:37:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} An Odd Little Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have one of these "new in the box"- They play amazingly well. The top dome lights up with a little incandescent lamp. There are a bunch of non-functional parts in the top just for looks. They are cool. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} An Odd Little Radio Its a radio receiver I had one of these as a kid... Wow thats cool... have not seen one in years.... mine had a Flashing light bulb in it... I used it as a night light Douglas B. wrote: >Anyone ever see anything like this? Are those tubes inside it??? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3082942716 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Mar 09 06:17:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91212 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 14:17:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 14:17:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 14:17:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20040309141739.2260.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 06:17:39 PST Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 06:17:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.146 From: "John P." Subject: IBOC @ Night Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I've spent a few hours reviewing the multiple reports from iBiquity and the NAB's 'endorsement'. They even went so far as to stop in my back yard for the 'off axis' WLW testing, but I would rather they'd done WSAI testing instead. I'm amazed that they spent big bucks to do this testing, but it would be nice to see it also from WSB/WJR/WABC and WSM/WFAN as well as some 5KW stations. QUESTIONS: 1) Where's the data showing WSAI and its IBOC interference to it's Iowa neighbor on 1540? 2) The footnote mentions that several data points were not used - why? 3) When there's interference, the FCC is to 'fix it' - how? 4) Have they totally given-up on the local graveyard channels? 5) They've made some 'assumptions' on poor results - are they? 6) Why didn't they use the GE Superadio on all of the tests? (only used on the last test). 7) Why did they use the worst bandwidth Delphi car radio? 8) Why were no other options offered other than 100% IBOC at night? If you haven't already read the 3 reports, get on broadband and download them from the 99-325 proceeding. CQuam and Kahn CAM-D were naturally omitted. PS: I'm glad to see that the WOR flames have subsided on the list, hence my return. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Tue Mar 09 06:26:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32670 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 14:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 14:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 14:26:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2004 14:25:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 14:25:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 180 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 141.155.153.214 Subject: Re: WPEN returns to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Wrong information, guys. I talked to their CE this morning. IBOC isn't going away on WPEN any time soon.....it's a Greater Media station....and they're behind IBOC. Tom Ray From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Mar 09 06:37:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38275 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 14:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 14:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 14:37:31 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11) id i29EbUEG077167 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 07:37:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003201c405e4$0dd96590$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 09:37:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: nighttime IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Kevin T wrote: > > iBiquity also relies upon the conclusion that the interference on the > Class C 'graveyard' channels is already so bad at night, that adding > IBOC to the mess won't make it much worse than it is now. To me, > that's like a company saying "the river is already so polluted, what > difference will it make if we dump some more toxic waste into it?"... The problem with that theory is that if all of the Class C's broadcasting with 1,000 watts at night start using IBOC, they will literally massacre the first adjacents with sideband hash, rendering them as bad as the graveyard frequencies themselves. The practical application of your analogy Kevin, would be: "That's like adding more pollution to a river already polluted, as well as polluting the tributaries and lakes they flow into too!" Here's one such scenario: 1500 KHz is a US Clear. There are 2 dominant (Class A) stations on 1500 KHz who broadcast with 50 kw yet they are directional to protect each other at night.... WTOP in Washington and KSTP in Minneapolis/St Paul. Can you imagine what it's going to sound like on 1500 KHz if all of those Class C's on 1490 start spewing out sideband junk on 1500? This action is just incredible.... I never in my wildest dream imagined the NAB or the FCC would actually indorse night-time operation of IBOC on the MW band. Unfreakinbelievable!!!!! From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 09 08:19:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41595 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 16:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 16:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 16:19:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2004 16:18:35 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91157 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 09:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 09:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 09:09:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2004 09:09:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:09:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1282 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.97 Subject: Re: nighttime IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Mar 2004 16:18:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > It is important to note that the _only_ real-world testing that > iBiquity's nighttime IBOC report features are the tests that WOR and > WLW performed, dating all the way back to December 2002. Everything > else was based on mathematical calculations, laboratory simulations, > and computer-based projections of what would happen if every station > in the USA began transmitting IBOC at night. Perhaps they should have taken a cue from early AM stereo history, such as RCA's AM/FM AMS system, which not only did they do simulations on computer (not bad for 1960!), but tested on both low- power experimental stations and high-power commercial stations like (then-)WNBC (now WFAN), refining and improving their system. Unfortunately, because of the 1961 FM stereo decision, they never got to bring their system out for practical, commercial use. In short, while RCA did computer modelling, they relied on Real-World conditions to test the viability of their system. iBiquity's (and more importantly, NAB's) Flying Fickle Finger of Fate in the direction of smaller broadcasters is something I consider an insult to all of us. Makes me sad to have ever liked radio. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 09 08:24:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39829 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 16:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 16:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 16:24:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2004 16:24:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:24:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 464 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: WPEN returns to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > Wrong information, guys. I talked to their CE this morning. IBOC > isn't going away on WPEN any time soon.....it's a Greater Media > station....and they're behind IBOC. I haven't checked today yet, but as of Monday afternoon, WPEN was definitely broadcasting a full C-Quam AM Stereo signal, with no IBOC in sight. Also, Greater Media's 1450 WCTC continues to broadcast in AM Stereo. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Mar 09 08:32:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4884 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 16:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 16:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 16:32:51 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004030916312001100rohfde>; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:31:20 +0000 To: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 11:31:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c405f3$fa1b2010$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.55 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: Greater Media X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Greater Media is definitely behind IBOC here in Boston. They're ruining FM DXing with IBOC on 92.9 WBOS, 96.9 WTKK, and 105.7 WROR. What's wrong with the way FM Stereo sounds now? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:24 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WPEN returns to AM Stereo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > Wrong information, guys. I talked to their CE this morning. IBOC > isn't going away on WPEN any time soon.....it's a Greater Media > station....and they're behind IBOC. I haven't checked today yet, but as of Monday afternoon, WPEN was definitely broadcasting a full C-Quam AM Stereo signal, with no IBOC in sight. Also, Greater Media's 1450 WCTC continues to broadcast in AM Stereo. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Mar 09 09:11:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28131 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 17:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 17:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 17:11:14 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11) id i29HB0Bq015826 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:11:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000801c405f9$7fbe73c0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <000101c405f3$fa1b2010$6400a8c0@AMD> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 12:11:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Greater Media X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Greater Media is definitely behind IBOC here in Boston. They're ruining > FM DXing with IBOC on 92.9 WBOS, 96.9 WTKK, and 105.7 WROR. What's wrong > with the way FM Stereo sounds now? Good question. We will replace wide-band analog audio with compressed audio containing artifacting and other traits of lossy audio. Just making something digital doesn't necessarily improve the audio quality. I believe the local FM analog stations have far-better audio quality than Sirius and XM. It's not the quality of their audio that sells it.. It's the number of choices and lack of commercials that make them attractive but the audio quality is not on par with the average FM stereo. I started out being neutral in this IBOC discussion. I enjoy AM stereo but don't share the passion that many on this forum have for the format. If something better came along I would be behind it 100% but IBOC on both AM and FM exist for one purpose only.. To sell transmitters and receivers! FM IBOC is inferior in many ways to analog multiplex stereo and IBOC on the MW/AM band is nothing short of a joke. I believe in my heart that IBOC will kill the AM band. I appreciate the candid opinions shared by the WOR guys but how they can stand in favor of this format is beyond me. Don't they have any compassion for what this will do to many small town stations? Does anyone here know what the position of the SBE is on IBOC on the AM band? From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 09 10:40:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59687 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 18:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 18:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 18:40:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2004 18:40:44 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34001 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 17:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 17:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 17:46:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2004 17:46:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:46:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201c405e4$0dd96590$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 987 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.97 Subject: {AMSF} Re: nighttime IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Mar 2004 18:40:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > This action is just incredible.... I never in my wildest dream imagined the > NAB or the FCC would actually indorse night-time operation of IBOC on the MW > band. Unfreakinbelievable!!!!! And some thought I was nuts for saying just how bad it would be under IBOC. Heck, I predicted this would happen, considering corporates and the best government money can buy. They don't really care what's going on in the AM band, since it's not the consumers' money they're interested in- Just the money being traded for favors and power. We are outside of the loop. It's really going to be as bad as it's been described. The band will be trashed by those who can afford to do so, and we'll lose many smaller community broadcasters, the ones who can't compete with the interference, and can't afford to "upgrade". Byebye, old and trusted AM broadcast band. You served us well for 100 years. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Tue Mar 09 12:10:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49374 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 20:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 20:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 20:10:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2004 20:10:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:10:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 169 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: Re: WPEN returns to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Well if we end up having to live with IBOC, is there at least a rule obligating stations to broadcast in analog AM-Stereo when the digital transmission is off? Tom From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 09 16:39:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12643 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 00:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 00:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 00:39:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2004 00:39:35 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90699 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 20:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 20:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 20:54:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2004 20:53:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:53:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 261 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.97 Subject: Re: WPEN returns to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Mar 2004 00:39:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, tom_richard1980@y... wrote: > Well if we end up having to live with IBOC, is there at least a rule > obligating stations to broadcast in analog AM-Stereo when the digital > transmission is off? Nope. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Mar 09 16:41:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69569 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 00:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 00:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 00:41:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2004 00:41:13 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99670 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 22:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 22:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 22:18:12 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37.4.) id r.115.2fca3a3e (4592); Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:17:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <115.2fca3a3e.2d7f9c8a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:17:46 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: no2iboc@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.144.208 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Comments Filed with FCC re: IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Mar 2004 00:41:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 This is in respoonse to iBiquity's report on nighttime IBOC. In-Band, On-Channel Digital Audio Broadcasting (IBOC-DAB) will never be successful. American consumers do not want it; they're happy with AM and FM signals the way they are. Besides, analog radio is superior to digital radio. AM Stereo and FM Stereo signals are already capable of CD-quality sound and separation; there really is no need for IBOC-DAB; there is no market for this low-quality form of radio. Several facts about IBOC-DAB are misrepresented. First off, the use of IBOC-DAB at night (or any time of day whatsoever) is a waste of spectrum space. I conducted my own research into IBOC-DAB at night when WLW (700 kHz) Cincinnati, OH was conducing IBOC tests. Using a General Electric Superadio III and the built-in antenna, as well as a Realistic TM-152 C-QUAM AM Stereo tuner, WLW's IBOC sidebands wiped out 710 kHz, and caused massive interference to KSTL (690 kHz) St. Louis, MO. In fact, even the AM Stereo pilot suffered from interference from WLW's IBOC sidebands. The sidebands also weakened signals on 680 and 720 kHz, respectively. It's even worse during the day. Locally, KFUO (850 kHz) Clayton, MO, is testing IBOC. My location is ten miles from KFUO's transmitter site at Concordia Seminary. The IBOC sidebands from KFUO wipes out everything from 820 to 870 kHz; the signal of WCBW (880 kHz) Highland, IL suffers from interference from KFUO's IBOC sidebands. Lesser interference is suffered to the reception of WHB (810 kHz) Kansas City, MO and WLS (890 kHz) Chicago, IL due to KFUO's IBOC sidebands. The IBOC sidebands for KFUO has also wiped out another previously usable signal in the St. Louis area: KOTC (830 kHz) Kennett, MO. Now, at a distance of one mile from the transmitter site (in the 7700 block of Clayton Road in Richmond Heights, MO), the IBOC sidebands from KFUO wipes out a wider frequency range. Using a Jensen after-market car radio, KFUO's IBOC sidebands interfere with the signal of KREI (800 kHz) Farmington, MO. These sidebands also wipe out everything between 810 and 870 kHz, as well as 890 kHz; the interference to WCBW on 880 is much worse. In parts of Clayton and Richmond Heights, WCBW, which has a strong signal when KFUO is in analog mode, is totally wiped out by KFUO's IBOC sidebands. This proves, once and for all, that the AM, FM and shortwave bands ARE NOT SUITED for digital radio. IBOC is NOT THE ANSWER to radio's alleged "problems". The FCC, along with the National Association of Broadcasters and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, should withdraw support for iBiquity's failed IBOC-DAB system at once, embrace improvement of existing technologies on AM and FM, such as C-QUAM AM Stereo and the current FM Stereo system, and improve receiver quality through requiring Digital Signal Processing (DSP) on all receivers sold in the United States. IBOC-DAB (an already obsolete system) will make ALL of our current receivers obsolete. It is TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE with our current receivers. Instead of IBOC-DAB, the FCC, NAB and CPB should work together to find a separate band for digital radio broadcasting, only using the proven Eureka 147 system that's catching on in Europe. Frequencies above 1000 MHz (1 GHz) are more suited to digital radio than the current AM, FM or shortwave bands. The FCC, NAB and CPB should also learn to accept more competition for the radio audience, and include more independent voices. IBOC-DAB is a very expensive technology that the consumer will not support; they won't pay upwards of $1,000 for a receiver that features such an inferior technology. Again, I urge the FCC, the NAB and the CPB to withdraw support for IBOC-DAB at once. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 09 16:50:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3138 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 00:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 00:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 00:50:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2004 00:50:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:50:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 960 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.4 Subject: WPEN: IBOC's back, with 8 kHz analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Unfortunately, after a one-day return to fantastic AM Stereo sound, Philadelphia's 950 WPEN was once again transmitting an IBOC signal today. However, one difference I noticed is that they are now using the special mode which allows an 8 kHz analog audio bandwidth, for much improved clarity and fidelity on mid- and wide-bandwidth radios, as compared to IBOC's standard 5 kHz analog audio. WPEN is the only station I know of which is using this mode. The consequence for the improved analog audio, however, is that digital coverage is reduced, as both sidebands have to be received in order to decode the full digital audio stream. None of iBiquity's testing of the IBOC system, either daytime or nighttime, was conducted using this 8 kHz-analog mode, so each station is left to decide for itself whether the improved analog audio for all current listeners is worth the trade-off of reduced signal coverage for potential HD Radio listeners. From stodd@vippn.com Tue Mar 09 17:16:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6278 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 01:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 01:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 01:16:57 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E7014E0BE for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:16:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11547-08 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:16:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-140-21-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.21]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8356314E0CE for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:16:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001301c4063d$85190e40$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:17:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: nighttime IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude And these folks were the same type that criticized the Mitre report on LPFM interference for lack extensive testing. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > It is important to note that the _only_ real-world testing that > iBiquity's nighttime IBOC report features are the tests that WOR and > WLW performed, dating all the way back to December 2002. Everything > else was based on mathematical calculations, laboratory simulations, > and computer-based projections of what would happen if every station > in the USA began transmitting IBOC at night. From stodd@vippn.com Tue Mar 09 17:29:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72715 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 01:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 01:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 01:29:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6927C14E0BF for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:29:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11815-10 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:29:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-140-21-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.21]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8445214E0BA for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:29:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003f01c4063f$4ffcf260$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <003201c405e4$0dd96590$6501a8c0@jimspc> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:30:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: nighttime IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I hope Hubbard uses his considerable weight to stop it when it begins. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > Here's one such scenario: 1500 KHz is a US Clear. There are 2 dominant > (Class A) stations on 1500 KHz who broadcast with 50 kw yet they are > directional to protect each other at night.... WTOP in Washington and KSTP > in Minneapolis/St Paul. Can you imagine what it's going to sound like on > 1500 KHz if all of those Class C's on 1490 start spewing out sideband junk > on 1500? From stodd@vippn.com Tue Mar 09 18:05:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34971 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 02:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 02:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 02:05:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D7514E0BE for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:05:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12872-06 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:05:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-140-116-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.116]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DB6514E0B7 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:05:03 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000001c40644$443b5b60$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <000101c405f3$fa1b2010$6400a8c0@AMD> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:37:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Greater Media X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually there is an improvement if you're in an area with high multipath, such as Seattle or San Francisco. The digital signal won't break up like the analog, but for the rest of the country it doesn't make much sense. And a well designed analog set will minimize the effects on the analog signal anyway. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lehmann" > Greater Media is definitely behind IBOC here in Boston. They're ruining > FM DXing with IBOC on 92.9 WBOS, 96.9 WTKK, and 105.7 WROR. What's wrong > with the way FM Stereo sounds now? From stodd@vippn.com Tue Mar 09 18:05:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23524 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 02:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 02:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 02:05:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C3C14E0B7 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:05:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12993-02 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:05:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-140-116-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.116]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 05F2114E0BC for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:05:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000101c40644$45dd72a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:40:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WPEN returns to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Nope- that was a John Pavlica motion to the FCC which was rejected, or at least not acted upon. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > Well if we end up having to live with IBOC, is there at least a rule > obligating stations to broadcast in analog AM-Stereo when the digital > transmission is off? From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Mar 09 19:03:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54071 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 03:03:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 03:03:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 03:03:49 -0000 Received: from storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 0D9D9BFC1; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:03:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id TAA09061; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:03:47 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRhtuOBClt2oZa8zRye/hN568PvyQIUOImTfysKT4SBLI5W9jQ6CRrM7CM= Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:03:47 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@topica.com Message-ID: <9723-404E8593-2119@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 8 Mar 2004 11:10:55 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Dish Network Vs. Viacom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Sorry if this seems a bit off topic, But some of you may be aware of the growing dispute between Echosphere Communications ( Dish Network ) and Viacom, Viacom as most people are aware, owns The CBS - TV network, as well as cable// satellite channels like MTV, VH1, Nickelodeon, Showtime, TV land, etc.. Due to a dispute over carriage rights and programming fees, Dish Network has ceased carrying many of Viacom's Channels. Viacom is claimed to want exobanite increases in the fees it charges to Dish Network, ( and others ) to provide their programs to the consumer. Dish elected to pull MTV, Nickelodeon, VH1, etc... off their satellite TV service, until something can be resolved. In addition, Dish Network has also "removed" 16 CBS local affiliates in MAJOR markets from being provided as part of the DMA markets local package, which allows dish subscribers to get "local" TV channels over the dish, rather than needing an off air antenna, or cable feed. The Programmers (like Viacom) seem to think that their is NO limit to what Dish & Cable consumers will pay for their channels. No doubt, Many Cable companies and the "other" satellite service, Direct TV must be feeling demands for higher fees also, that ultimately get passed on to the end consumer. Viacom, isn't alone, ESPN has recently upped fees for their channels that cable & dish companies must pay. These network provider people are going to "kill to goose that layed the golden egg", with this kind of attitude. Frankly, I am not too disappointed that MTV is --- gone --- from Dish. Considering the raunchy Superbowl halftime show they produced for co-owned CBS=TV, the Janet Jackson "event" seen by millions of viewers, with the "wardrobe malfunction !" In my opinion, The FCC should of forced MTV OFF the satellite and Cable for like a month, or two as a punishment for the "nipple ripple". THE FCC does have the power since Viacom does use microwave frequencies to distribute their signal(s) to affiliate cable companies and the dish providers. And they own numerous radio & TV outlets, as well. Many CBS affiliates could be in real big trouble, IF the FCC wants to press the issue. Viacom & CBS is under a lot of FCC and congressional scrutiny over said event. Maybe, The Dish Network removal of MTV, and other Viacom channels may be an unrelated thing, but maybe it is a fair "punishment" for MTV's 2004 Superbowl "Show". Bill S. From roy.sandgren@telia.com Tue Mar 09 23:24:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82658 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 07:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 07:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net) (81.228.10.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 07:24:13 -0000 Received: by av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 4FA5E37EA0; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:24:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.182]) by av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC5437E49; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:24:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from FOO (h15n1fls31o954.telia.com [217.210.132.15]) by smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A5FDE37E43; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:23:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001e01c40670$c9e8d680$0f84d2d9@telia.com> To: "Huvudidentitet" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:24:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.228.10.108 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: Fw: Shipment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Read more here www.amradio.se Bests from Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Spenser" To: ; ; ; ; ; Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:12 AM Subject: FW: Shipment > This does not show much...but there is enough power inside to blast our way > into everyones ears soon from the center of Aland (Finland-Sweden) to the UK > once up to full power of 300 Kw's. 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Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 2004-03-05 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Wed Mar 10 00:04:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55492 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 08:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 08:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 08:03:57 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2A83oKY005795; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:03:52 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:03:50 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Bonza little unit! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Today I received my (first ... there will be more!) AMS Sony walkman from Audio Cubes and I couldn't be happier. It's the SRF-AX51V and is a little beauty. It cost US$69 plus US$12 delivery to Oz. (A$108.00 delivered) A bargain! It's smaller than the Sangean SR66 and much better. The sound is similar to the SRF-42 - but perhaps with a bit more bass - or less treble ... I'm not technical. It's small enough to comfortably fit into a shirt pocket. And it comes in a smart leatherlook cover (very unusual these days) and it has decent earplug headphones - so much better than that contraption that comes with the SRF-42. I have a cupboard full. :) The headphone plug though is smaller than the average stereo earphone plug - but I can't foresee this as a problem. As a bonus ... it's FM band sounds much better than the flat SRF-42 FM band - and it also has TV (mono) sound of VHF channels 1 to 12. This is the ideal tranny to take to the footy or go on holidays with. Anyone who hasn't got an SRF-42 should buy one of these while they're still available. According to the (Japanese) literature these must have been made since 1993. If you haven't got any AMS stations in your area you can enjoy the static in stereo! And with the switch in stereo - mono AM stations sound more alive. This is the small inexpensive AM stereo walkman that I've always wanted. Let's publicise this little beauty - however we can! Ian Melbourne From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 01:41:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34556 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 09:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 09:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 09:41:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2004 09:41:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:41:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2052 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Bonza little unit! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key When/if you get the SRF-AX15 and the SRF-A300, could you compare them with each other, the SRF-AX51V, and if you have one, the SRF-42? Also, when (if you are) do you expect to get the other 2 models? I kinda have my "ears" on an SRF-A300 at the moment, but if I can get as good of a performing unit out of the AX51V or the AX15 I don't want to spend more than I have to. Oh, does it cover the full AM band and maybe a little more (530 to 1710 kHz)? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > Today I received my (first ... there will be more!) AMS Sony walkman from > Audio Cubes and I couldn't be happier. > > It's the SRF-AX51V and is a little beauty. It cost US$69 plus US$12 > delivery to Oz. (A$108.00 delivered) A bargain! > > It's smaller than the Sangean SR66 and much better. The sound is similar > to the SRF-42 - but perhaps with a bit more bass - or less treble ... I'm > not technical. > > It's small enough to comfortably fit into a shirt pocket. > > And it comes in a smart leatherlook cover (very unusual these days) and it > has decent earplug headphones - so much better than that contraption that > comes with the SRF-42. I have a cupboard full. :) The headphone plug > though is smaller than the average stereo earphone plug - but I can't > foresee this as a problem. > > As a bonus ... it's FM band sounds much better than the flat SRF-42 FM > band - and it also has TV (mono) sound of VHF channels 1 to 12. > > This is the ideal tranny to take to the footy or go on holidays with. > > Anyone who hasn't got an SRF-42 should buy one of these while they're > still available. According to the (Japanese) literature these must have > been made since 1993. > > If you haven't got any AMS stations in your area you can enjoy the static > in stereo! > > And with the switch in stereo - mono AM stations sound more alive. > > This is the small inexpensive AM stereo walkman that I've always wanted. > > Let's publicise this little beauty - however we can! > > > Ian > Melbourne From dav259@csiro.au Wed Mar 10 02:32:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11414 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 10:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 10:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 10:32:44 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2AAWeKY011068 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:32:42 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:32:40 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Bonza little unit! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, pianoplayer88key wrote: > When/if you get the SRF-AX15 and the SRF-A300, could you compare them > with each other, the SRF-AX51V, and if you have one, the SRF-42? > > Also, when (if you are) do you expect to get the other 2 models? I > kinda have my "ears" on an SRF-A300 at the moment, but if I can get as > good of a performing unit out of the AX51V or the AX15 I don't want to > spend more than I have to. Oh, does it cover the full AM band and > maybe a little more (530 to 1710 kHz)? Hey Radio Player (what a great name) I am not technical. I see this little radio as something that may save our cause - but I haven't got any of the above radios except the wonderful SRF-42. And you are wonderful to have all the AMS radios! This one goes up to 1605 (which is not divisable by 9) - amazing. Thank God the Japanese are still producing AMS radios. The "other" two radios I'm about to buy are this one. Radio Player ... when you're on a good thing ... stick to it! Hey! Magic 693 is celebrating its 10th Birthday on 26 March. What a wonderful era we've had in Melbourne. The only AMS music station left. And ... they've just played that old Mitch Miller evergreen (in mono) The Yellow Rose of Texas. Bonza! Nice tune ... butt!! Us (Oz) people would like to see a "free trade agreement" which sort of made us look equal ... rather than a compliant "neighbour combatant". The great Mr Bush has alot to answer for. I do hope you lot vote him out in November. He (in my view) has changed the world for the worse. We used to seem much safer. One wonders why he does it. I expect it's ego. Ian Melbourne From droland66@yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 07:13:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96991 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 15:13:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 15:13:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 15:13:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2004 15:12:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:12:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 741 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "coaxguy99" X-Originating-IP: 206.99.185.238 Subject: AM within an RF envelope X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 Would it be possible to put the AM signal within an RF envelope (unmodulated sinusoidal signal) of greater magnatude that is at exactly the same frequency as the AM carrier in to protect the signal from noise? This way the same benefits of noise reduction could be achieved on the AM band as the FM band because the signal would be protected. I'm not sure if it would work but was just wondering if there is a technical way to come up with a modified AM modulation technique that eliminates static and adjacent weaker signal noise in a new type of receiver while remaining fully compatible with older receivers that may still receive some static but far less. Seems to me this would be possible, given modern technology. Alben From castellano105@yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 12:37:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49062 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 20:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 20:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.97) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 20:37:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20040310203620.55459.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.69.10.43] by web60202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:36:20 PST Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:36:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.97 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM within an RF envelope X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 The problem is that all noise is AM in natuer,FM is artificial it dos not occure in Nature as is AM. --- coaxguy99 wrote: > Would it be possible to put the AM signal within an > RF envelope > (unmodulated sinusoidal signal) of greater magnatude > that is at > exactly the same frequency as the AM carrier in to > protect the signal > from noise? This way the same benefits of noise > reduction could be > achieved on the AM band as the FM band because the > signal would be > protected. I'm not sure if it would work but was > just wondering if > there is a technical way to come up with a modified > AM modulation > technique that eliminates static and adjacent weaker > signal noise in > a new type of receiver while remaining fully > compatible with older > receivers that may still receive some static but far > less. Seems to > me this would be possible, given modern technology. > > Alben > > ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From castellano105@yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 12:53:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8749 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 20:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 20:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60209.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 20:53:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20040310205332.45097.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.69.10.43] by web60209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:53:31 PST Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:53:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.104 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WPEN returns to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Not in the long run eventually stations will get rid of analog brodcasting as manufactures put with the FCC Acut off date let's say 20 or 30 years in the future Owners dont want to keep a system they view as antic and not cost effective as parts become more expencive. The same goes for TV High Defenition TV will in the futuer replace analog TV. Manufactures will stop macking them Loock at the Auto industry no one makes a Model T OR A any more. --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > tom_richard1980@y... wrote: > > Well if we end up having to live with IBOC, is > there at least a > rule > > obligating stations to broadcast in analog > AM-Stereo when the > digital > > transmission is off? > > Nope. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From castellano105@yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 12:57:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88585 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 20:57:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 20:57:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 20:57:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20040310205738.72125.qmail@web60206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.69.10.43] by web60206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:57:38 PST Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:57:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: no2iboc@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <115.2fca3a3e.2d7f9c8a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.101 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Comments Filed with FCC re: IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 They said the Same thing abouth TV And look at it now sales of High Defenition TV are up and groing. --- n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > This is in respoonse to iBiquity's report on > nighttime IBOC. > > In-Band, On-Channel Digital Audio Broadcasting > (IBOC-DAB) will never be > successful. American consumers do not want it; > they're happy with AM and FM signals > the way they are. Besides, analog radio is superior > to digital radio. AM > Stereo and FM Stereo signals are already capable of > CD-quality sound and > separation; there really is no need for IBOC-DAB; > there is no market for this > low-quality form of radio. > > Several facts about IBOC-DAB are misrepresented. > First off, the use of > IBOC-DAB at night (or any time of day whatsoever) is > a waste of spectrum space. I > conducted my own research into IBOC-DAB at night > when WLW (700 kHz) Cincinnati, > OH was conducing IBOC tests. Using a General > Electric Superadio III and the > built-in antenna, as well as a Realistic TM-152 > C-QUAM AM Stereo tuner, WLW's > IBOC sidebands wiped out 710 kHz, and caused massive > interference to KSTL (690 > kHz) St. Louis, MO. In fact, even the AM Stereo > pilot suffered from > interference from WLW's IBOC sidebands. The > sidebands also weakened signals on 680 and > 720 kHz, respectively. > > It's even worse during the day. Locally, KFUO (850 > kHz) Clayton, MO, is > testing IBOC. My location is ten miles from KFUO's > transmitter site at Concordia > Seminary. The IBOC sidebands from KFUO wipes out > everything from 820 to 870 kHz; > the signal of WCBW (880 kHz) Highland, IL suffers > from interference from > KFUO's IBOC sidebands. Lesser interference is > suffered to the reception of WHB > (810 kHz) Kansas City, MO and WLS (890 kHz) Chicago, > IL due to KFUO's IBOC > sidebands. The IBOC sidebands for KFUO has also > wiped out another previously usable > signal in the St. Louis area: KOTC (830 kHz) > Kennett, MO. > > Now, at a distance of one mile from the transmitter > site (in the 7700 block > of Clayton Road in Richmond Heights, MO), the IBOC > sidebands from KFUO wipes > out a wider frequency range. Using a Jensen > after-market car radio, KFUO's IBOC > sidebands interfere with the signal of KREI (800 > kHz) Farmington, MO. These > sidebands also wipe out everything between 810 and > 870 kHz, as well as 890 kHz; > the interference to WCBW on 880 is much worse. In > parts of Clayton and > Richmond Heights, WCBW, which has a strong signal > when KFUO is in analog mode, is > totally wiped out by KFUO's IBOC sidebands. This > proves, once and for all, that > the AM, FM and shortwave bands ARE NOT SUITED for > digital radio. IBOC is NOT > THE ANSWER to radio's alleged "problems". > > The FCC, along with the National Association of > Broadcasters and the > Corporation for Public Broadcasting, should withdraw > support for iBiquity's failed > IBOC-DAB system at once, embrace improvement of > existing technologies on AM and > FM, such as C-QUAM AM Stereo and the current FM > Stereo system, and improve > receiver quality through requiring Digital Signal > Processing (DSP) on all > receivers sold in the United States. IBOC-DAB (an > already obsolete system) will make > ALL of our current receivers obsolete. It is TOTALLY > INCOMPATIBLE with our > current receivers. > > Instead of IBOC-DAB, the FCC, NAB and CPB should > work together to find a > separate band for digital radio broadcasting, only > using the proven Eureka 147 > system that's catching on in Europe. Frequencies > above 1000 MHz (1 GHz) are more > suited to digital radio than the current AM, FM or > shortwave bands. The FCC, > NAB and CPB should also learn to accept more > competition for the radio > audience, and include more independent voices. > IBOC-DAB is a very expensive technology > that the consumer will not support; they won't pay > upwards of $1,000 for a > receiver that features such an inferior technology. > > Again, I urge the FCC, the NAB and the CPB to > withdraw support for IBOC-DAB > at once. > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > > ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Mar 10 13:20:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54651 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 21:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 21:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 21:20:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2004 21:19:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:19:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 224 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.26.205 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Bonza little unit! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan > Hey! Magic 693 is celebrating its 10th Birthday on 26 March. What a > wonderful era we've had in Melbourne. The only AMS music station left. > Hmm sounds like a good day to make your first mp3 recording Ian !!!!! From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Mar 10 13:23:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61795 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 21:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 21:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 21:23:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2004 21:23:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:23:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 719 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.26.205 Subject: Re: Bonza little unit! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > Today I received my (first ... there will be more!) AMS Sony walkman from > Audio Cubes and I couldn't be happier. > > It's the SRF-AX51V and is a little beauty. It cost US$69 plus US$12 > delivery to Oz. (A$108.00 delivered) A bargain! > > It's smaller than the Sangean SR66 and much better. The sound is similar > to the SRF-42 - but perhaps with a bit more bass - or less treble ... I'm > I do find the output from the SRF-42 even with a decent pair of Aiwa earphones is lacking in bass. Anyone know if the AX51V has a true c- quam decoder - if this is possible in such a size - or a psudo cut down version like the SRF-42 ? From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Mar 10 13:57:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40164 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 21:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 21:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 21:57:49 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.37.239]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:06:47 -0500 Message-ID: <003301c406ea$6c777ae0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:55:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Bonza little unit! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sadly, production of the 51 ended 2 years ago- what you are buying now is leftover stock, and when they are gone, they are gone. I agree they are dandy little units. I am not sure about the lesser quality SRFAX15- I know it is the last one being made, besides the SRFA300. Sony is going through a lot of turbulent times right now, and lots of things are getting dropped. Best get while the getting's good. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 15:49:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26349 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 23:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 23:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 23:49:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2004 23:49:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:49:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c406ea$6c777ae0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 695 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Bonza little unit! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Sadly, production of the 51 ended 2 years ago- what you are buying now is leftover stock, and when they are gone, they are gone. I agree they are dandy little units. > I am not sure about the lesser quality SRFAX15- I know it is the last one being made, besides the SRFA300. Sony is going through a lot of turbulent times right now, and lots of things are getting dropped. > Best get while the getting's good. > Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] What's audiocubes.com's return policy, and do they take non-credit-card-linked paypal? Is there anyone that still has any leftover SRF-42s? From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Wed Mar 10 15:52:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96036 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 23:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 23:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 23:52:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:51:57 -0800 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by sea2-dav34.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:51:57 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:51:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2004 23:51:57.0576 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC507080:01C406FA] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.164.91 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I am getting a 5 Watt AM Transmitter. Is there a way to interface the Alfredo lite with this bigger transmitter to get a 5 Watt AMS Exciter? When the Transmitter Arrives I'll make schematics available. Right now just need to know if its possible. TIA Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Mar 10 16:21:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80145 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 00:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2004 00:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.194) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 00:21:30 -0000 Received: from storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 9494510761; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:21:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA14672; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:21:30 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQoAaHdl4c4zYNta/ygLcpA+hohjwIUPZhL2B2C7Gwn65wHE8ht9jMVN9k= Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:21:30 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@topica.com Message-ID: <16395-404FB10A-1260@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 10 Mar 2004 11:30:13 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.194 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} {IBOC} I Bach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Re: IBOC I heard a comment this morning on KFAB Omaha that was interesting: " we will soon be running streaming audio" wonder IF they could be meaning IBOC? No station in the Omaha and surrounding area has commenced IBOC broadcasting from my observations. Anybody know what IBOC stations may be on the air in the Midwest? Say Chicago, Dallas, Kansas city, etc....? Most everything I have "heard" about IBOC suggests severe side band interference to adjacent and surrounding stations several channels away from an IBOC stations main carrier. How well existing AM/ FM analog radios will react to this is hard to predict, BUT most AM radios have very little to No ability to cope with white noise, static, and impulse noise. FM IBOC might have a bit more success, but the days of picking up weak, distant FM signals will likely be gone. Same with DX on the AM band at night. Just a big graveyard of NOISE. IBOC will destroy the AM band as we currently know it. Night time IBOC on AM should be BANNED!! Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 18:19:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30691 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 02:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2004 02:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 02:19:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2004 02:19:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 02:19:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1301 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.2 Subject: Re: Bonza little unit! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I do find the output from the SRF-42 even with a decent pair of > Aiwa earphones is lacking in bass. That's because there's no built-in bass boost. It's a flat output, ideal for connection to the Aux input of a stereo system, so you can adjust its tone controls to your liking. > Anyone know if the AX51V has a true c-quam decoder - if this is > possible in such a size - or a psudo cut down version like the > SRF-42 ? I know the SRF-A300 uses true C-Quam decoding, and I presume the SRF-AX51V and SRF-AX15 also use the same chipset. I've tested the 'A300 with a multi-system AM Stereo generator, and the distortion is definitely the lowest in C-Quam mode. It sounds okay with a Harris or Magnavox signal, but I can tell it was designed with proper "cosine correction" for the C-Quam system. Maybe not exactly following Motorola's design, so it wouldn't violate the patent, but at least it comes very close to the sound of a true C-Quam decoder. In this regard, it definitely sounds better than the SRF-42, which can produce some noticeable distortion on wide-separation music, especially in the bass (they actually loosened the AMAX distortion spec to from 2.5% to 5.0% for battery-powered portable radios, just so the SRF-42's non-C-Quam decoding would meet the AMAX specs). From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 03:17:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66988 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 11:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2004 11:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 11:17:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2004 11:17:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:17:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2784 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Bonza little unit! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key like I said, I'm thinking about getting an SRF-A300, SRF-AX51V, or SRF-AX15. I'm mainly concerned about covering the AM band from 530 to 1710kHz or so, and would like to record some things off of some stations. Among those stations are 1570 KPRO, whose reception on my SRF-42 is plagued (even at 7:30-8:00am Sunday mornings when they run their daytime power and the ionosphere is still active) with a directional signal facing the wrong way and adjacent-channel interference from 1560 KNZR Bakersfield, 1580 KBLA Santa Monica, and 1580 KMIK Tempe, and 1110 KDIS, which is nearly obliterated on my SRF-42 (although putting it on a fence facing east & west and holding it just right helps a little) by interference from 1130 KSDO, who blasts at least the equivalent of 12-18kW or so toward me and is only about 7-8 miles north of me. If possible, I would like something with a decent treble response comparable to the SRF-42, and also I don't mind a little bit of bass, although I prefer a very low frequency bass boost, like for example up to 50-60 Hz extending down near or into the single digits (although the fact that the C-Quam pilot tone is 25Hz, just below the lowest note on a piano, which (btw now you may have something to connect my screen name with) I play probably almost as often, if not AS often, as many other pianists might play middle-C.) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I do find the output from the SRF-42 even with a decent pair of > > Aiwa earphones is lacking in bass. > > That's because there's no built-in bass boost. It's a flat output, > ideal for connection to the Aux input of a stereo system, so you can > adjust its tone controls to your liking. > > > Anyone know if the AX51V has a true c-quam decoder - if this is > > possible in such a size - or a psudo cut down version like the > > SRF-42 ? > > I know the SRF-A300 uses true C-Quam decoding, and I presume the > SRF-AX51V and SRF-AX15 also use the same chipset. I've tested the > 'A300 with a multi-system AM Stereo generator, and the distortion is > definitely the lowest in C-Quam mode. It sounds okay with a Harris > or Magnavox signal, but I can tell it was designed with proper > "cosine correction" for the C-Quam system. Maybe not exactly > following Motorola's design, so it wouldn't violate the patent, but > at least it comes very close to the sound of a true C-Quam decoder. > > In this regard, it definitely sounds better than the SRF-42, which > can produce some noticeable distortion on wide-separation music, > especially in the bass (they actually loosened the AMAX distortion > spec to from 2.5% to 5.0% for battery-powered portable radios, just > so the SRF-42's non-C-Quam decoding would meet the AMAX specs). From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 07:23:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44045 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 15:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2004 15:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14919.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.224) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 15:22:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20040311152246.20016.qmail@web14919.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web14919.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:22:46 PST Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:22:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.225.224 From: amstereoexp Subject: message from Mexico X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp Can anybody help me deciper this? This came in as feedback to the AM Stereo web site. 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Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 07:57:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 632 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 15:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2004 15:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 15:57:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2004 15:57:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:57:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1484 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Bonza little unit! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If possible, I would like something with a decent treble response > comparable to the SRF-42, None of the three Sonys that AudioCubes offers is going to match the treble response of the SRF-42, since they were not designed to the AMAX standard, but rather were intended to cope with the narrower channel spacing of the AM band in Asia. This is the trade-off that AM receivers have had since their invention -- fidelity vs. selectivity. I can say that the SRF-A300's treble response isn't bad, though, especially if you use it with a pair of Sony earbuds (which claim to be "Mega Bass" but actually have a large emphasis on the treble, thus will make any AM radio sound brighter). > (although the fact that the C-Quam pilot tone is 25Hz, just below > the lowest note on a piano, which (btw now you may have something to > connect my screen name with) I play probably almost as often, if not > AS often, as many other pianists might play middle-C.) The lowest string on a piano might vibrate at 20-something Hz when you strike it, but most of what you hear from it are upper harmonics resonated by the piano's framework and cabinet. And besides, most audio processors that radio stations use -- AM or FM -- cut off everything below 50 Hz anyway, in order to reduce distortion. So, even on the best receiver tuned to the best FM classical music station, you're probably not going to get those extremely low frequencies coming through to your speakers or headphones. From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Mar 11 10:08:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90071 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 18:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2004 18:08:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 18:08:16 -0000 Received: from storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 80FE7107C8; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:08:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id KAA09519; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:08:15 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAtyNd+fJlo/AJKFz0bkNq+DSSjD4CFQCZGz7F2CbWdBbNxjoORhsQmDO7rQ== Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:08:14 -0600 (CST) To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@topica.com Message-ID: <10922-4050AB0E-416@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: oldphones 's message of Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:03:47 -0600 (CST) Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: RE: [ ABDX ] {AMSF} OT - Dish Network Vs. Viacom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Update!! Just In. Viacom's channels have returned to Dish Network as of this morning 3/11/04. Apparently Dish Network (Echosphere Communications) and Viacom must of settled their dispute over fees. MTV, VH1, CBS locals are back. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Thu Mar 11 12:04:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93484 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 20:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2004 20:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 20:04:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D6414E0AB for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:04:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17788-01 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:04:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-140-91-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.91]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 93C0514E0C9 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:04:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006c01c407a4$44031460$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:05:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude More than likely it can be done. Usually these low power rigs do low-level modulation and the rest is a big linear amp. You'll be bypassing most of the circuitry in it by substituting the Alfredo Lite. Use the composite output to feed the amp circuits. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > I am getting a 5 Watt AM Transmitter. Is there a way to interface the > Alfredo lite with this bigger transmitter to get a 5 Watt AMS Exciter? When > the Transmitter Arrives I'll make schematics available. Right now just need > to know if its possible. From stodd@vippn.com Thu Mar 11 12:23:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40443 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 20:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2004 20:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 20:23:40 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1BE14E098 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:23:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18563-01 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:23:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-140-91-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.91]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 272DF14E0B2 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:23:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00ab01c407a6$e6ad5020$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:24:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: OT, God help us if more were like Ian- was{AMSF} Re: Bonza little unit! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Ever notice how those who start by attacking the Jews end up being the world's problem? At first Hitler was only a problem for the Jews. Then it was Islamic terrorism. Sorry, Ian, this is a repeat of history, and Bush sees it for what it is- another war. Notice the differing responses to today's attack in Spain between British Prime Minister Blair, Jacques Chiraq, and Gerhard Schroeder. The latter two act as if it were just a bunch of street thugs intent on creating a bit of mayhem who need to be brought to justice. Only Blair called it the terrorism that it is. Islamic terrorism will not be avoided by being neutral. Had Gore been in office you wouldn't be one whit safer as these people are blowing up everyone, including their fellow Muslims. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" > Us (Oz) people would like to see a "free trade agreement" which sort of > made us look equal ... rather than a compliant "neighbour combatant". The > great Mr Bush has alot to answer for. > > I do hope you lot vote him out in November. > > He (in my view) has changed the world for the worse. We used to seem much > safer. One wonders why he does it. I expect it's ego. From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Mar 11 12:29:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58126 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 20:29:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2004 20:29:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 20:29:45 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.43]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:38:58 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c407a7$5119e180$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20040311152246.20016.qmail@web14919.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:27:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} message from Mexico X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 He needs a portable radio that has am stereo capbilites, something like the SRFA100. He is in Mexico, and probably a few staions in his area that have ams. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: amstereoexp To: Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:22 AM Subject: {AMSF} message from Mexico > Can anybody help me deciper this? This came in as feedback to the > AM Stereo web site. > > Kevin T. > > --- francisco jimenez wrote: From stodd@vippn.com Thu Mar 11 12:41:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2152 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 20:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2004 20:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 20:41:34 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE8614E0B2 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:41:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19179-03 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:41:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-140-91-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.91]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 84AC814E0A5 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:41:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00c201c407a9$65c20ca0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20040311152246.20016.qmail@web14919.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:33:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} message from Mexico X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Best I can tell he's looking for an AM stereo radio like the SRF-A100, though he'd be interested in any stereo portable. Is this the actual text of what he wrote, or is this a Babblefish translation? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "amstereoexp" > Can anybody help me deciper this? This came in as feedback to the > AM Stereo web site. > > Kevin T. > > --- francisco jimenez wrote: > > > > the radius modeloSony SRF-A100 has for audifonos and > > cuans baterias works, you have a radius that you are > > sold to me I am of mexico, I need a portartil radius > > stereo a.m.tan bye > > From krichards@wor710.com Thu Mar 11 12:56:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57458 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 20:56:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2004 20:56:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 20:56:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2004 20:55:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:55:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1552 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 141.155.153.214 Subject: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Lots of interesting comments about "hash" and the HD sidebands. First the carriers do meet the NRSC mask, and are really at a low level. What we are not taking into account in some of these complaints is the powerful gain of the AGC in the receiving radio. If you take a field strengh meter like a Potomac and tune a station in and then tune for the HD sidebands, you get a more accurate view of how loud the carriers actually are. On my Tivoli One and Two radios I notice that the Model One has a wider bandwidth than the Model Two. But in both cases if you tune right in the center of the HD station the hiss disappears. The AGC gain on these radios is incredible, and comparing that to a Potomac meter there is a big difference. In the nightime tests with WOR/WLW this was precisely noted in that comments made about the signal being listenable, and the received audio masking the hiss. Which is what seems to happen in the real world. Remember at WOR the HD carriers are only 1700 watts, and at WPEN less than 200 watts, not much. Since you cannot disable the AGC on the majority of radios, this only helps to create sopme of the hysteria abot the HD carriers. Anybody have any thoughts on the AGC of the typical radio out there, and does the current generation of C-Quam decoders take the signal strength in account in relationship with bandwidth and AGC levels? You guys with all of those radios out there may be able to shed some light on this...Has anybody used those radios mentioned in Ibiquity's tests? Kerry..... From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Mar 11 15:09:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10020 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 23:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2004 23:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 23:09:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2004 23:09:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:09:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1621 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > You guys with all of those radios out there may be able to shed some > light on this...Has anybody used those radios mentioned in Ibiquity's > tests? Well, referring to the sound quality on the IBOC stations themselves . . . I've tried a bunch of my radios on our two local IBOC hissbuckets. The wideband radios are worthless in wideband mode. The hiss is still annoying even in narrow mode on my TX-11a. If you have the time and patience, you can just about get rid of the hiss by meticulous tuning when in narrow mode on the SRF-A100 and the Superadio III. The "standard" radios don't seem to have a major problem with it . . . a bit of attention to tuning gets the fizz down to where you really have to listen to hear it in the background. One exception: the famous blue Walmart transistor thingy. Its bandwidth is too wide, and it fizzes no matter what you do. Also, KMXE's fizz is more prominent than KTNQ's, and is faintly audible on all the radios no matter what you do. I have to wonder if your typical listener will have the patience to tweak the tuning on an analog radio sufficiently to produce a reasonably quiet signal. I've also noticed that when turning the antenna, the IBOC nulls out somewhat easier than the station itself. Under certain conditions, the IBOC stations actually sound cleaner when they're almost nulled out than when they're at optimum position for signal strength. And sorry to disappoint, but on my car stereo and other "typical bandwidth" consumer radios, I can hear no discernable difference in sound quality other than the background noise. narkspud From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Mar 11 16:18:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72369 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 00:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 00:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 00:17:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 00:17:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:17:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1542 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.7.103 Subject: Re: Bonza little unit! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I do find the output from the SRF-42 even with a decent pair of > > Aiwa earphones is lacking in bass. > > That's because there's no built-in bass boost. It's a flat output, > ideal for connection to the Aux input of a stereo system, so you can > adjust its tone controls to your liking. > > > Anyone know if the AX51V has a true c-quam decoder - if this is > > possible in such a size - or a psudo cut down version like the > > SRF-42 ? > > I know the SRF-A300 uses true C-Quam decoding, and I presume the > SRF-AX51V and SRF-AX15 also use the same chipset. I've tested the > 'A300 with a multi-system AM Stereo generator, and the distortion is > definitely the lowest in C-Quam mode. It sounds okay with a Harris > or Magnavox signal, but I can tell it was designed with proper > "cosine correction" for the C-Quam system. Maybe not exactly > following Motorola's design, so it wouldn't violate the patent, but > at least it comes very close to the sound of a true C-Quam decoder. > > In this regard, it definitely sounds better than the SRF-42, which > can produce some noticeable distortion on wide-separation music, > especially in the bass (they actually loosened the AMAX distortion > spec to from 2.5% to 5.0% for battery-powered portable radios, just > so the SRF-42's non-C-Quam decoding would meet the AMAX specs). Thanks for the info and a reply at last to one of my posts Kevin !!!!! Aamazing I'll have to frame this post!! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 16:35:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60150 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 00:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 00:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 00:35:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 00:35:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:35:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2228 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.13 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Well, referring to the sound quality on the IBOC stations > themselves . . . I've tried a bunch of my radios on our two local > IBOC hissbuckets. The wideband radios are worthless in wideband > mode. This problem is going to be the worst for all the people with Chrysler Corp. AMAX receivers in their vehicles. These radios, unlike GM/Delco's design, will automatically open up to full bandwidth on any strong AM signal, not just AM Stereo stations -- and there is no manual control to adjust the bandwidth. So, if anybody with one of these radios tunes in an IBOC station, they're going to hear the hiss -- and there won't be any way to get rid of it, other than turning the treble all the way down, or switching to a different station. That is exactly what one listener mentioned on the New York Radio Message Board, and you can read for yourself how the engineers of a certain IBOC station responded to his complaint, accusing him of using "some crazy wide band radio", when in reality it was the _factory-installed_ radio in his 1998 Jeep: http://musicradio.computer.net/wwwboard/messages/228154.html > I have to wonder if your typical listener will have the patience > to tweak the tuning on an analog radio sufficiently to produce a > reasonably quiet signal. That is very true, as most people tune an analog receiver for the best _sound_, not necessarily the correct "center spot" of the AM signal, which probably will sound muddy and therefore will have "worse reception" to the untrained listener's ears. If they try this with an IBOC station, all they'll get is an earfull of hiss. iBiquity also claims that nighttime IBOC interference will be mitigated by radios with directional loop antennas, which can be rotated to null out the interference. But in reality, how many people know how to do this? They just put the loop -- or the radio itself, if the AM loop is built-in -- in one position, and whatever comes in, comes in. Sure, the radio's owner's manual will say "rotate the loop (or whole radio) for best AM reception", but how many people read and understand that? This is assuming they even have the AM loop antenna correctly hooked up at all, which many people don't! From krichards@wor710.com Thu Mar 11 18:03:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14721 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 02:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 02:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 02:03:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 02:03:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 02:03:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2589 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 What I was curious about was if anyone had tried the same radios as Ibiquity used during it's testing. I am not that familiar with the Sony Boom box radio they used for the tests. Kerry... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Well, referring to the sound quality on the IBOC stations > > themselves . . . I've tried a bunch of my radios on our two local > > IBOC hissbuckets. The wideband radios are worthless in wideband > > mode. > > This problem is going to be the worst for all the people with > Chrysler Corp. AMAX receivers in their vehicles. These radios, unlike > GM/Delco's design, will automatically open up to full bandwidth on > any strong AM signal, not just AM Stereo stations -- and there is no > manual control to adjust the bandwidth. So, if anybody with one of > these radios tunes in an IBOC station, they're going to hear the hiss > -- and there won't be any way to get rid of it, other than turning > the treble all the way down, or switching to a different station. > > That is exactly what one listener mentioned on the New York Radio > Message Board, and you can read for yourself how the engineers of > a certain IBOC station responded to his complaint, accusing him of > using "some crazy wide band radio", when in reality it was the > _factory-installed_ radio in his 1998 Jeep: > > http://musicradio.computer.net/wwwboard/messages/228154.html > > > > I have to wonder if your typical listener will have the patience > > to tweak the tuning on an analog radio sufficiently to produce a > > reasonably quiet signal. > > That is very true, as most people tune an analog receiver for the > best _sound_, not necessarily the correct "center spot" of the AM > signal, which probably will sound muddy and therefore will have > "worse reception" to the untrained listener's ears. If they try this > with an IBOC station, all they'll get is an earfull of hiss. > > iBiquity also claims that nighttime IBOC interference will be > mitigated by radios with directional loop antennas, which can be > rotated to null out the interference. But in reality, how many > people know how to do this? They just put the loop -- or the radio > itself, if the AM loop is built-in -- in one position, and whatever > comes in, comes in. Sure, the radio's owner's manual will say > "rotate the loop (or whole radio) for best AM reception", but how > many people read and understand that? This is assuming they even > have the AM loop antenna correctly hooked up at all, which many > people don't! From krichards@wor710.com Thu Mar 11 18:11:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89953 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 02:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 02:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 02:11:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 02:11:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 02:11:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 775 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 What Kevin fails to mention is that the poster on the NYRMB started out wondering when we were going to give up on IBOC. Secondly, you notice it's the same few guys complaining with the same rant about IBOC....Funny how all the radios we test do not have these issues, but the six or seven guys with an AX to grind always start up when IBOC is mentioned on the NYRMB. Keep in mind these are the same guys who have never heard IBOC.....or an HD Radio. I kinda think our response was equal to the guy's question. Tom's was more to the point than mine... Kerry.... > > using "some crazy wide band radio", when in reality it was the > > _factory-installed_ radio in his 1998 Jeep: > > > > http://musicradio.computer.net/wwwboard/messages/228154.html > > > > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 19:09:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17761 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 03:09:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 03:09:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 03:09:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 03:09:50 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50287 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 02:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 02:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 02:07:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 02:07:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 02:07:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c201c407a9$65c20ca0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 344 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.13 Subject: Re: {AMSF} message from Mexico X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Mar 2004 03:09:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Best I can tell he's looking for an AM stereo radio like the SRF- A100, > though he'd be interested in any stereo portable. Is this the actual text > of what he wrote, or is this a Babblefish translation? Looked like a Babelfish machine translation. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 19:10:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94325 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 03:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 03:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 03:10:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 03:09:39 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25571 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 02:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 02:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 02:06:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 02:06:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 02:06:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002a01c407a7$5119e180$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 358 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.13 Subject: Re: {AMSF} message from Mexico X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Mar 2004 03:09:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > He needs a portable radio that has am stereo capbilites, something like the > SRFA100. > He is in Mexico, and probably a few staions in his area that have ams. There are anywhere from 15-30 AMS stations throughout Mexico. Most in the central and southern states. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 19:19:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81241 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 03:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 03:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 03:19:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 03:19:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 03:19:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1518 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.13 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What I was curious about was if anyone had tried the same radios as > Ibiquity used during it's testing. I am not that familiar with the > Sony Boom box radio they used for the tests. A number of members here have used the Sony CFD-S22 boom-box that iBiquity used in their tests. It is more like a traditional AM radio, where there is a gradual roll-off of treble response, not a sharp cut-off (like with a narrow ceramic filter). This model also makes a very good conversion to C-Quam AM Stereo. And since you mentioned it earlier, the latest C-Quam decoder chips have a built-in AGC on the IF input, so that for weak signals it effectively increases the receiver's RF sensitivity, instead of just applying an audio gain control like a conventional AVC. However, Motorola also uses a "Signal Quality Detector", which measures the S/N ratio of both the incoming RF signal and the decoded audio, and uses that as a basis to determine whether or not to trip the seek tuning on a particular frequency (so it doesn't stop on unlistenably cluttered 'graveyard' channels at night) and to control the Stereo Blend feature (which effectively eliminates platform motion and background noise increase in stereo mode). So, I've noticed that AM Stereo receivers using the more recent C-Quam chips will not trip the seek tuning on the sidebands of a strong IBOC signal (for example, stopping at 720 kHz when hitting "seek up" from WOR), although some less sophisticated mono radios do have that problem. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 20:08:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14745 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 04:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 04:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 04:08:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 04:08:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 04:08:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2826 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.13 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What Kevin fails to mention is that the poster on the NYRMB started > out wondering when we were going to give up on IBOC. As he is entitled to, if he finds the hiss annoying. And NYC does not have a good track record with IBOC on AM -- out of the three stations that have tried it so far, WOR is the only one still using it regularly. (WPAT and WZRC may still have the equipment installed, but they only seem to use it once every few months, for a few hours at a time -- otherwise, 99% of the time they're both plain analog mono AM.) > Secondly, you notice it's the same few guys complaining with the > same rant about IBOC.... But what exactly is your distinction between a "complaint" and a "rant"? As you claimed, "we have only had one or two complaints about the digital carriers and these were resolved by instructing the listener to re-tune his radio." Does this mean that every other person who has expressed a problem with your station's use of IBOC -- and not even including anyone in this Forum, there has _definitely_ been more than "one or two" -- is "ranting", and therefore not even worth of being taken seriously? I think one of the NY Radio Message Board members said it best: "While I can appreciate WOR's engineering department defending the use of IBOC, to say that the problem doesn't exist or to blame it on our radios and/or the way they are tuned makes no sense. It's a compromise, pure and simple. I'm looking forward to hearing WOR on an IBOC-enabled receiver some day. Meanwhile, since I can't 'tune' my car radio or adjust the bandwidth, I'll have to put up with the hash." I think the bottom line is... haven't we learned something from the Kahn vs. Motorola fiasco!? Amongst all the fighting, bickering, and name-calling, Kahn _did_ have some legitimate complaints about the C-Quam system. And although they never admitted it, Motorola _did_ listen to these complaints and used them as a basis to help improve their system over the years, both on the transmitting and receiving ends. iBiquity clearly has many people -- listeners and engineers alike -- who are critical of IBOC and have pointed out many of its flaws. But where is the willingness, both on the behalf of the engineers at stations using IBOC and the iBiquity employees themselves, to listen to these people, take what they have to say seriously, and use this feedback to help improve and refine their product? To constantly attempt to discredit these critics by saying "you are using some crazy wide-band radio, you are listening to stations out of their protected coverage area, our signal fits the NRSC mask, etc." is not the answer, IMHO. Or else, the IBOC proponents will look no more credible than when GM said the Corvair is a safe car with no handling problems.... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 20:12:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99667 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 04:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 04:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 04:12:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 04:12:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 04:12:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 328 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.13 Subject: Re: message from Mexico X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Looked like a Babelfish machine translation. I forwarded the e-mail exactly as I received it, so Francisco must have attempted to translate it himself. Perhaps somebody here who is fluent in Spanish can get in touch with Francisco? His e-mail address is radiozac2 @ yahoo.com if any of you would like to give it a try. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 20:48:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30207 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 04:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 04:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 04:48:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20040312044848.16788.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.184.97.72] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:48:48 PST Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:48:48 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c4043b$d5965fc0$c188fea9@jimsmith> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.85 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A good move for IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jimsmith wrote: > Hi Guys I think if IBOC was moved off AM and to > the unused part of the uhf tv band between ch 70 > and ch 83 It would be a much better thing for every > body. I can't take the credit for this some one els > on the form had this good idea. Oh yes KFRC AM 610 > is still a 10khz. And thay do sound good for a mono > station but i would very much like them to be back > in stereo. Jim Smith > Those frequencies are NOT available they are already in use. Powell ( currently in Ramah, NM) ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Mar 11 22:53:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45280 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 06:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 06:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 06:53:45 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040312065344.MJVU23486.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 01:53:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:53:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.241 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually the Corvair was safe. In any event, there is one problem with with stating that they are=20 using "some crazy wideband radio." These are the people who believed=20 enough in AM to spend some decent money to get a good radio. They are=20 exactly the people you want to appease, as they would be the ones to=20 spend money on an IBOC radio, if they think it works. They have=20 concerns: they bought a good radio t hear you better, yet you're=20 putting them down when they complain that they now hear you worse. To=20 state that their complaints are not justified is insulting to them.=20 You're spitting on the people who believed in you. How many times do=20 you think they will do that again? Now, that being said, I still think that IBOC won't die due to=20 technical problems. More and more I am convinced that it could indeed=20 work technically, and the tests and refinement Kerry and Tom are doing=20 at WOR may even be why it will work. But until there is programming=20 that is worth listening to, it won't matter. I don't avoid AM because=20 of sound quality; I avoid it because the programming bites. Of course I=20 am now avoiding FM for the same reason ... my iPod is providing the=20 VAST majority of entertainment in my cars these days. I'm seriously=20 considering XM and Sirius just so I can hear new music again. I don't think the programming will improve fast enough to cover the=20 expense of IBOC. Richard Wagoner On Thursday, March 11, 2004, at 08:08 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > To constantly > attempt to discredit these critics by saying "you are using some > crazy wide-band radio, you are listening to stations out of their > protected coverage area, our signal fits the NRSC mask, etc." is not > the answer, IMHO.=A0 Or else, the IBOC proponents will look no more > credible than when GM said the Corvair is a safe car with no handling > problems.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From roy.sandgren@telia.com Thu Mar 11 23:36:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13424 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 07:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 07:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO av9-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net) (81.228.11.116) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 07:36:45 -0000 Received: by av9-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 896DE37EC2; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:36:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.163]) by av9-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7555837E47; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:36:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from FOO (h15n1fls31o954.telia.com [217.210.132.15]) by smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D9AA37E4E; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:36:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000901c40804$e6df45e0$0f84d2d9@telia.com> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:37:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.228.11.116 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: Israeli Offshore Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, here is the equipment of our new am-station at 603 kHz from =C5land. 25kW. We are missing the antennatuner of 25kW in the package. Do you have one used???? Roy Mike and Klaus. http://www.offshore-radio.de/israel/ www.amradio.se=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 11 23:50:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43974 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 07:50:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 07:50:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 07:50:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 07:50:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 07:50:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040312044848.16788.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 798 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.14.183 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A good move for IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- jimsmith wrote: > > Hi Guys I think if IBOC was moved off AM and to > > the unused part of the uhf tv band between ch 70 > > and ch 83 It would be a much better thing for every > > body. I can't take the credit for this some one els > > on the form had this good idea. Oh yes KFRC AM 610 > > is still a 10khz. And thay do sound good for a mono > > station but i would very much like them to be back > > in stereo. Jim Smith > > > > > Those frequencies are NOT available they are already > in use. > > > Powell ( currently in Ramah, NM) > > ===== > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw Hi Powell Oh.... What is the uhf band being used for setween 70 and 83 for? Jim Smith From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 00:04:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72285 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 08:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 08:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 08:04:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 08:04:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:04:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040312044848.16788.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1248 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.13 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A good move for IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Those frequencies are NOT available they are already > in use. Yup... but unfortunately since most mobile phones are digital these days, you can no longer use an old UHF TV set to listen to cell phone conversations.... A few years ago, I remember hearing about a few UHF translators that were still on the air in the channel 70-83 range, but I guess by now they are all off the air. The FCC's TV station database only goes up to channel 69 -- and there is talk of further reducing the UHF TV band, down to channel 59, and then eventually down to channel 51 once all analog TV is dead. I know of Channel 69 WFMZ-TV in Reading, PA, so I'll see how much longer they last on that channel number. FYI, even excepting the lack of Channel 1, the North American TV channel lineup isn't continguous... there is no such thing as UHF Channel 37! Its frequency range (608-614 MHz) is reserved for radio astronomy use. In general, though, you could say UHF TV is a huge waste of valuable spectrum space. With some more shifting around, we could easily open up enough space to fit an entirely new digital radio service (like Eureka-147 DAB), rather than use IBOC to try to cram low-fidelity digital radio onto the existing AM/FM bands. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 12 00:13:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84449 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 08:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 08:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 08:13:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 08:13:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:13:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3344 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.14.183 Subject: Re: Bonza little unit! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > like I said, I'm thinking about getting an SRF-A300, SRF-AX51V, or > SRF-AX15. I'm mainly concerned about covering the AM band from 530 to > 1710kHz or so, and would like to record some things off of some > stations. Among those stations are 1570 KPRO, whose reception on my > SRF-42 is plagued (even at 7:30-8:00am Sunday mornings when they run > their daytime power and the ionosphere is still active) with a > directional signal facing the wrong way and adjacent-channel > interference from 1560 KNZR Bakersfield, 1580 KBLA Santa Monica, and > 1580 KMIK Tempe, and 1110 KDIS, which is nearly obliterated on my > SRF-42 (although putting it on a fence facing east & west and holding > it just right helps a little) by interference from 1130 KSDO, who > blasts at least the equivalent of 12-18kW or so toward me and is only > about 7-8 miles north of me. > If possible, I would like something with a decent treble response > comparable to the SRF-42, and also I don't mind a little bit of bass, > although I prefer a very low frequency bass boost, like for example up > to 50-60 Hz extending down near or into the single digits (although > the fact that the C-Quam pilot tone is 25Hz, just below the lowest > note on a piano, which (btw now you may have something to connect my > screen name with) I play probably almost as often, if not AS often, as > many other pianists might play middle-C.) > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I do find the output from the SRF-42 even with a decent pair of > > > Aiwa earphones is lacking in bass. > > > > That's because there's no built-in bass boost. It's a flat output, > > ideal for connection to the Aux input of a stereo system, so you can > > adjust its tone controls to your liking. > > > > > Anyone know if the AX51V has a true c-quam decoder - if this is > > > possible in such a size - or a psudo cut down version like the > > > SRF-42 ? > > > > I know the SRF-A300 uses true C-Quam decoding, and I presume the > > SRF-AX51V and SRF-AX15 also use the same chipset. I've tested the > > 'A300 with a multi-system AM Stereo generator, and the distortion is > > definitely the lowest in C-Quam mode. It sounds okay with a Harris > > or Magnavox signal, but I can tell it was designed with proper > > "cosine correction" for the C-Quam system. Maybe not exactly > > following Motorola's design, so it wouldn't violate the patent, but > > at least it comes very close to the sound of a true C-Quam decoder. > > > > In this regard, it definitely sounds better than the SRF-42, which > > can produce some noticeable distortion on wide-separation music, > > especially in the bass (they actually loosened the AMAX distortion > > spec to from 2.5% to 5.0% for battery-powered portable radios, just > > so the SRF-42's non-C-Quam decoding would meet the AMAX specs). Hi You will not be disapoited with the a300. It tunes very good some one here said that it tunes like the super radio dose. It has a nice and mellow sound to it. I think it tunes up to 1680 am there is a very stonge spanish station at that spot on the dail here in our area. Any way get them wile you can because thay not be there tomarrow. Jim Smith From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 00:34:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97384 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 08:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 08:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 08:34:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 08:34:03 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54133 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 08:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 08:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 08:20:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 08:20:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:20:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 276 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.108 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A good move for IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Mar 2004 08:34:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > Hi Powell Oh.... What is the uhf band being used for setween 70 and > 83 for? Jim Smith Mostly industrial, or at least that's the case with the lumber and pulp mills here. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 12 00:44:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21214 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 08:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 08:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 08:44:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 08:44:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:44:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 437 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.14.183 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A good move for IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: > > > Hi Powell Oh.... What is the uhf band being used for setween 70 and > > 83 for? Jim Smith > > Mostly industrial, or at least that's the case with the lumber and > pulp mills here. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Oh well so much for that idea. Thanks Amy and guys. jim Smith From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 01:15:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85978 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 09:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 09:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 09:15:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 09:15:35 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96894 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 08:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 08:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 08:48:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 08:48:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:48:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2337 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.108 Subject: Re: A good move for IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Mar 2004 09:15:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Those frequencies are NOT available they are already > > in use. > > Yup... but unfortunately since most mobile phones are digital these > days, you can no longer use an old UHF TV set to listen to cell phone > conversations.... Largely because most digital wireless networks don't use this range. At this point, it's for what few remaining early cellphone services there are- The ones who asked for these frequencies back in the 1980s. Even more recent analog cellphones don't use this range. Most of the digital services use a range in the 1 and 2 GHz ranges. > A few years ago, I remember hearing about a few UHF translators that > were still on the air in the channel 70-83 range, but I guess by now > they are all off the air. The FCC's TV station database only goes up > to channel 69 -- and there is talk of further reducing the UHF TV > band, down to channel 59, and then eventually down to channel 51 once > all analog TV is dead. I know of Channel 69 WFMZ-TV in Reading, PA, > so I'll see how much longer they last on that channel number. Canada still uses a few UHF stations between 70-80. > In general, though, you could say UHF TV is a huge waste of valuable > spectrum space. With some more shifting around, we could easily open > up enough space to fit an entirely new digital radio service (like > Eureka-147 DAB), rather than use IBOC to try to cram low-fidelity > digital radio onto the existing AM/FM bands. You only need to reallocate -FOUR- channels to cover the range needed for covering an entire E147 service. And UHF TV was supposed to be filled, at least in the larger metro areas. Much of the radio spectrum above 30 MHz is really under utilized and over-allocated, without much workaround for places where these bands are essentially left quite unused. While areas such as LA, NYC, Chicago, and other major metro areas may have active bandplans, many, MANY parts of the US have frequency swaths rendered completely unusable because of allocations that aren't used in their areas. And let's not talk about the disenfranchisement of the public's access to these bands- No-one else does! Come out to Small Town America, and your scanner will pick up alot of dead air. Amy. <:3 )~~9~ From roy.sandgren@telia.com Fri Mar 12 01:17:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33878 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 09:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 09:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO av3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net) (81.228.11.109) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 09:17:29 -0000 Received: by av3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id D46A237EBD; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:17:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.164]) by av3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36E937E44; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:17:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from FOO (h15n1fls31o954.telia.com [217.210.132.15]) by smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 48E6037E58; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:17:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000901c40812$fa330e20$0f84d2d9@telia.com> To: "wloy" , "TASOS EPISTIMONAS" , "Sven-erik carlsson" , , "sat-service" , , "RNI2020" , , "Paul Rusling" , "Paul Rusling" , "Pan European Radio" , "Pan European Radio" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?NNIS_-_N=E4tverket_N=E4rradio_i_Sverige?= , , "Mikael Berglund" , , "Marek Andersson" , "Marek Andersson" , "Light Valley Media" , "Kangas Kari" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Johnny_Ekstr=F6m?= , =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5kan_Widenstedt?= , "Dr. Martin van der Ven" , "Dr. Martin van der Ven" , , , , Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:18:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.228.11.109 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: NEXUS-IBA radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Transmitters for sale http://www.nexus.org/IPAR/txsale.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Fri Mar 12 05:09:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11533 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 13:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 13:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 13:09:35 -0000 Received: from storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id A3A031069C for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 05:04:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA14130; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 05:04:41 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQ2egHXEVm0CWIeQxJsWLqVlqusyAIUK48g6N0LvSQuQMffn3EFrJm4R2Q= Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 07:04:41 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <16395-4051B569-4005@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 12 Mar 2004 12:20:07 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Reallocation of the upper UHF TV channels 59 and up really isn't going to hurt too much as these high frequencies have a lot of attenuation and poor range for TV transmission compared to the lower portions of the UHF TV band, and Vs. VHF TV channels. I have a 60's vintage Zenith TV with variable UHF tuning, really haven't tuned to the upper UHF TV channels lately to "see" if their is much activity. I suspect that a lot of the cell phones have gone to digital, and belive that the old ITMS channels at 152 - 158 Mhz are vacant. Much of the 30 to 50 MHZ band here (Omaha, NE) is largely vacant, with maybe the exception of the State patrol on 42.46 and the sheriffs net around 39.90 Much of the Police traffic has switched to digital recently. Last time I checked Omaha Fire was still on VHF. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 08:03:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70170 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 16:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 16:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 16:03:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 16:03:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:03:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16395-4051B569-4005@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 582 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Much of the 30 to 50 MHZ band here (Omaha, NE) is largely vacant, > with maybe the exception of the State patrol on 42.46 and the > sheriffs net around 39.90 Much of the Police traffic has > switched to digital recently. Last time I checked Omaha Fire was > still on VHF. I don't hear much on VHF-Low anymore except fire department and rescue squad activity, and maybe a few 46/49 MHz cordless phones. Perhaps it is still more common in rural areas, though, both because of its greater signal range and because of less budget (or need) to upgrade to UHF or 800+ MHz. From droland66@yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 08:58:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59438 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 16:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 16:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 16:58:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 16:57:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:57:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1419 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "coaxguy99" X-Originating-IP: 206.99.185.233 Subject: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 What about a type of digital modulation scheme that uses the entire AM bandwith for digital data transmission and can not be seen by traditional AM receivers? What I am thinking is that the station information such as call letters or AM frequency and all of that would merely be contained within the packet information. All of the stations in a given area would share the entire bandwidth with some sort of system that shares and each station would broadcast their wide-band packet at a specific given interval such as not to interfere with each other. There would be a memory buffer in the receiver that would hold the information and would re-fill on the next packet burst just in time to keep from running out of information. Some type of digital compression similar to MP3 could be used to allow for all of the stations to have CD quality audio. Maybe all of this information could be contained within some sort of out of phase QAM or FM signal that is transparent to traditional AM, is centered in the middle of the band, and uses the entire bandwidth for each packet so that several MB of info with redundancy can be sent out per pulse which would allow the buffer to hold a few seconds worth of info and make if very easy to keep any of the stations pulses from interfereing with each other even with reflections, etc. what do ya think? why not use some 21st century technology? coax From krichards@wor710.com Fri Mar 12 09:59:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26669 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 17:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 17:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 17:59:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 17:59:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:59:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4596 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 141.155.153.214 Subject: Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Coax: The problem is that US Broadcasters want it both ways...they want to own their own transmitters and antennas and they want their own frequency too. Unlike someplace like Japan, where the telephone company owns most of the transmitters and antennas and delivers a service to the broadcaster just like phone service, it's not like that here. In Canada and Europe they also share sites, we do not do that here. It is an alien concept. Even the BBC does not operate their own transmitters anymore.... A good example if DAB was put into use in Manhattan, they have estimated it would take almost 75 transmitters to saturate the area sufficiently, not good. The other issue is that IBOC is in favor now with the FCC and the NAB and this means we will have to see it through. According to press reports Ibiquity just hired some "big guns" to start heavy promotion of the HD Radio scheme. The other word on the street is that nightime use on AM will come later this year. Shortly there will be more East Coast AM IBOC stations as cities like Boston get more HD stations on air. It's kind of hard to put a stop to all of this for whatever reason, kinda like stopping that runaway locomotive we had in Queens the other day. At this point in the game I think we all need to study the Ibiquity data just presented to the FCC, and try to understand better what is going to happen when more stations start up HD. All AM and FM broadcasters should start giving some thought in planning for HD Radio if they have not already. It may become big, it may take years, but it seems from my view to be moving forward ever so slowly. Here at WOR we have had several calls from listeners with the new Kenwood Radio, so ever so slowly they are going into the marketplace. When a cheaper HD radio gets out there, we will see more HD listeners. I think that is the direction Ibiquity is trying to move twoards, hence the new hirings. Its very unfortunate the new radios are so expensive. Although your idea of a 21st Century solution is a good one, it will not fly under the current realities. We are just at the start of the long road for HD Radio, and there are going to be a lot of bumps and blips along the way. While some are not convinced that this HD technology is the way to go, remember you are introducing new technology to an old scheme, and there are tradeoffs. There is always a problem in providing Legacy services when introducing new ideas and technologies, hence all the controversy. One important thing to keep in mind, Radio today is not what it was 50, 20, or even 5 years ago, this is a major problem for most broadcasters. With so many differing media now in everyone's daily lives, Broadcasters want to keep pace with some kind of digital technology. There was no internet, no cable tv, no sat radio, etc etc etc. Think about it....It's a whole different world for most broadcasters, big and small, and it is harder harder to survive economically, and technically for any Broadcaster. Kerry... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "coaxguy99" wrote: > What about a type of digital modulation scheme that uses the entire > AM bandwith for digital data transmission and can not be seen by > traditional AM receivers? What I am thinking is that the station > information such as call letters or AM frequency and all of that > would merely be contained within the packet information. All of the > stations in a given area would share the entire bandwidth with some > sort of system that shares and each station would broadcast their > wide-band packet at a specific given interval such as not to > interfere with each other. There would be a memory buffer in the > receiver that would hold the information and would re-fill on the > next packet burst just in time to keep from running out of > information. Some type of digital compression similar to MP3 could > be used to allow for all of the stations to have CD quality audio. > Maybe all of this information could be contained within some sort of > out of phase QAM or FM signal that is transparent to traditional AM, > is centered in the middle of the band, and uses the entire bandwidth > for each packet so that several MB of info with redundancy can be > sent out per pulse which would allow the buffer to hold a few seconds > worth of info and make if very easy to keep any of the stations > pulses from interfereing with each other even with reflections, etc. > what do ya think? why not use some 21st century technology? > > coax From dougharding@mindspring.com Fri Mar 12 10:11:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57780 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 18:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 18:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 18:11:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 18:10:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:10:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 681 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding On my two Fanfare FTA-100s they seem to detect the noise and automaticly narrow band themselves. The wide / narrow buttons do not seem to have any effect. I do not hear any hiss or fizzel but the sound quality is very basey and sounds like it is coming out of a barrel. I do not consider it good enough to listen to. I was using WQAM 560 which is the only station here on AM that is broadcasting IBOC. There is loud hash noise on 540 550 570 580. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > You guys with all of those radios out there may be able to shed some > > light on this...Has anybody used those radios mentioned in Ibiquity's > > tests? From droland66@yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 10:13:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62517 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 18:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 18:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 18:13:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 18:13:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:13:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4891 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "coaxguy99" X-Originating-IP: 206.99.185.169 Subject: Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > Coax: > > The problem is that US Broadcasters want it both ways...they want to > own their own transmitters and antennas and they want their own > frequency too. > > Unlike someplace like Japan, where the telephone company owns most of > the transmitters and antennas and delivers a service to the > broadcaster just like phone service, it's not like that here. In > Canada and Europe they also share sites, we do not do that here. It > is an alien concept. Even the BBC does not operate their own > transmitters anymore.... > > A good example if DAB was put into use in Manhattan, they have > estimated it would take almost 75 transmitters to saturate the area > sufficiently, not good. > > The other issue is that IBOC is in favor now with the FCC and the NAB > and this means we will have to see it through. According to press > reports Ibiquity just hired some "big guns" to start heavy promotion > of the HD Radio scheme. The other word on the street is that nightime > use on AM will come later this year. > > Shortly there will be more East Coast AM IBOC stations as cities like > Boston get more HD stations on air. It's kind of hard to put a stop > to all of this for whatever reason, kinda like stopping that runaway > locomotive we had in Queens the other day. > > At this point in the game I think we all need to study the Ibiquity > data just presented to the FCC, and try to understand better what is > going to happen when more stations start up HD. All AM and FM > broadcasters should start giving some thought in planning for HD > Radio if they have not already. > > It may become big, it may take years, but it seems from my view to be > moving forward ever so slowly. Here at WOR we have had several calls > from listeners with the new Kenwood Radio, so ever so slowly they are > going into the marketplace. When a cheaper HD radio gets out there, > we will see more HD listeners. I think that is the direction Ibiquity > is trying to move twoards, hence the new hirings. Its very > unfortunate the new radios are so expensive. > > Although your idea of a 21st Century solution is a good one, it will > not fly under the current realities. We are just at the start of the > long road for HD Radio, and there are going to be a lot of bumps and > blips along the way. > > While some are not convinced that this HD technology is the way to > go, remember you are introducing new technology to an old scheme, and > there are tradeoffs. There is always a problem in providing Legacy > services when introducing new ideas and technologies, hence all the > controversy. > > One important thing to keep in mind, Radio today is not what it was > 50, 20, or even 5 years ago, this is a major problem for most > broadcasters. With so many differing media now in everyone's daily > lives, Broadcasters want to keep pace with some kind of digital > technology. There was no internet, no cable tv, no sat radio, etc etc > etc. Think about it....It's a whole different world for most > broadcasters, big and small, and it is harder harder to survive > economically, and technically for any Broadcaster. > > Kerry... > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "coaxguy99" > wrote: > > What about a type of digital modulation scheme that uses the entire > > AM bandwith for digital data transmission and can not be seen by > > traditional AM receivers? What I am thinking is that the station > > information such as call letters or AM frequency and all of that > > would merely be contained within the packet information. All of > the > > stations in a given area would share the entire bandwidth with some > > sort of system that shares and each station would broadcast their > > wide-band packet at a specific given interval such as not to > > interfere with each other. There would be a memory buffer in the > > receiver that would hold the information and would re-fill on the > > next packet burst just in time to keep from running out of > > information. Some type of digital compression similar to MP3 could > > be used to allow for all of the stations to have CD quality audio. > > Maybe all of this information could be contained within some sort > of > > out of phase QAM or FM signal that is transparent to traditional > AM, > > is centered in the middle of the band, and uses the entire > bandwidth > > for each packet so that several MB of info with redundancy can be > > sent out per pulse which would allow the buffer to hold a few > seconds > > worth of info and make if very easy to keep any of the stations > > pulses from interfereing with each other even with reflections, > etc. > > what do ya think? why not use some 21st century technology? > > > > coax From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 10:21:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31493 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 18:21:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 18:21:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 18:21:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 18:21:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:20:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1163 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > At this point in the game I think we all need to study the Ibiquity > data just presented to the FCC, and try to understand better what is > going to happen when more stations start up HD. All AM and FM > broadcasters should start giving some thought in planning for HD > Radio if they have not already. IBOC would be a great concept if it just wasn't so futzed up on the technical side of things. Sure, it has benefits, but why should we accept a system which _purposely transmits_ the same kind of noise and interference than AM radio listeners have been complaining about for decades? IBOC follows the "I couldn't fix your brakes, so I made your horn louder" approach, and those who are too blinded by the big hype and the big $$$$'s to recognize this major flaw are only hastening AM radio's demise. At this point, in order to save AM radio, we should be taking useless flea-power stations off the air, identifying and fixing sources of made-made interference, improving the receivers, and most importantly, improving the _programming_. Filling up the band with "hash" and then expecting people to buy $500 receivers is NOT the answer! From droland66@yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 10:31:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10496 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 18:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 18:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 18:31:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 18:30:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:30:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6507 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "coaxguy99" X-Originating-IP: 206.99.185.237 Subject: Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 That's too bad because the stations could still own their transmitters. They would still be broadcasting the traditional analog AM signal under the type of technology I am talking about. But in addition to that, for new digital receivers and this new signal type, they would all use the entire band but it would be a "time share" so they would own the time rather than a specific frequency. I am not talking about DAB, either. I am talking about a signal that would be broadcast from the same transmitter tower and antenna and would reach the same coverage it reaches today. Each signal would broadcast an identifier with each packet so that the digital tuners would still seem to be tuning to 700 or 1530 or whatever. The signal modulation would be something revolutionary that does not affect the analog AM reception. The station owners would just need to get used to the fact that for this newer protocol, they are buying a time rather than a frequency. I believe that such a scheme would allow AM broadcasters to steal much of that 80% share that FM currently has. If properly implemented, the AM band would have a huge advantage over FM at night as I assume that no matter what modulation scheme is used, the bounce effect would be the same at those frequencies. Since the entire AM band would be used, there could probably be enough bandwidth to design data packets in time slices that don't interfere with anything within 500 miles. This is the sort of thing AM broadcasters need to realize if they really want to compete for and re-capture some of that lost audience. coax --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > Coax: > > The problem is that US Broadcasters want it both ways...they want to > own their own transmitters and antennas and they want their own > frequency too. > > Unlike someplace like Japan, where the telephone company owns most of > the transmitters and antennas and delivers a service to the > broadcaster just like phone service, it's not like that here. In > Canada and Europe they also share sites, we do not do that here. It > is an alien concept. Even the BBC does not operate their own > transmitters anymore.... > > A good example if DAB was put into use in Manhattan, they have > estimated it would take almost 75 transmitters to saturate the area > sufficiently, not good. > > The other issue is that IBOC is in favor now with the FCC and the NAB > and this means we will have to see it through. According to press > reports Ibiquity just hired some "big guns" to start heavy promotion > of the HD Radio scheme. The other word on the street is that nightime > use on AM will come later this year. > > Shortly there will be more East Coast AM IBOC stations as cities like > Boston get more HD stations on air. It's kind of hard to put a stop > to all of this for whatever reason, kinda like stopping that runaway > locomotive we had in Queens the other day. > > At this point in the game I think we all need to study the Ibiquity > data just presented to the FCC, and try to understand better what is > going to happen when more stations start up HD. All AM and FM > broadcasters should start giving some thought in planning for HD > Radio if they have not already. > > It may become big, it may take years, but it seems from my view to be > moving forward ever so slowly. Here at WOR we have had several calls > from listeners with the new Kenwood Radio, so ever so slowly they are > going into the marketplace. When a cheaper HD radio gets out there, > we will see more HD listeners. I think that is the direction Ibiquity > is trying to move twoards, hence the new hirings. Its very > unfortunate the new radios are so expensive. > > Although your idea of a 21st Century solution is a good one, it will > not fly under the current realities. We are just at the start of the > long road for HD Radio, and there are going to be a lot of bumps and > blips along the way. > > While some are not convinced that this HD technology is the way to > go, remember you are introducing new technology to an old scheme, and > there are tradeoffs. There is always a problem in providing Legacy > services when introducing new ideas and technologies, hence all the > controversy. > > One important thing to keep in mind, Radio today is not what it was > 50, 20, or even 5 years ago, this is a major problem for most > broadcasters. With so many differing media now in everyone's daily > lives, Broadcasters want to keep pace with some kind of digital > technology. There was no internet, no cable tv, no sat radio, etc etc > etc. Think about it....It's a whole different world for most > broadcasters, big and small, and it is harder harder to survive > economically, and technically for any Broadcaster. > > Kerry... > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "coaxguy99" > wrote: > > What about a type of digital modulation scheme that uses the entire > > AM bandwith for digital data transmission and can not be seen by > > traditional AM receivers? What I am thinking is that the station > > information such as call letters or AM frequency and all of that > > would merely be contained within the packet information. All of > the > > stations in a given area would share the entire bandwidth with some > > sort of system that shares and each station would broadcast their > > wide-band packet at a specific given interval such as not to > > interfere with each other. There would be a memory buffer in the > > receiver that would hold the information and would re-fill on the > > next packet burst just in time to keep from running out of > > information. Some type of digital compression similar to MP3 could > > be used to allow for all of the stations to have CD quality audio. > > Maybe all of this information could be contained within some sort > of > > out of phase QAM or FM signal that is transparent to traditional > AM, > > is centered in the middle of the band, and uses the entire > bandwidth > > for each packet so that several MB of info with redundancy can be > > sent out per pulse which would allow the buffer to hold a few > seconds > > worth of info and make if very easy to keep any of the stations > > pulses from interfereing with each other even with reflections, > etc. > > what do ya think? why not use some 21st century technology? > > > > coax From krichards@wor710.com Fri Mar 12 11:38:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90720 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 19:38:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 19:38:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 19:38:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 19:38:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:37:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3134 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 141.155.153.214 Subject: Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Kevin, What you think we should be doing and what is happening are two different things. This new technology is on the way and we need to learn all about it and how to deal with it. As far as any flea power AM's going away, I would not count on it. The recent filing window at the FCC took in a lot of applications for the AM band. In fact in one report I saw they said it was an unexpected amount. So that kinda says it all, AM radio still is vital. With or without HD.. When I was in Boston last week I took a look at WBZ's sidebands with the field strength meter, it is amazing to me how such low power sidebands look through an efficient array. This led me to understand the issue of the really powerful AGC in the average radio. In my Hummer WBZ sounds fine, and I could get the sidebands all the way to Hartford and beyond on my way home. I did not have an IBOC radio with me, but after starting to read Ibiquity's filing with the FCC, I am starting to get a feel how HD will behave as more stations start using it. One of the reasons HD is so popular with Broadcasters is because it does solve the noisy environment issue, which no one else is trying to fix. Those LED traffic lights are a real problem, especially outside the Metro area. Do you see them going away? No they are adding more of them, it's a nightmare. It's almost like we are making noise to eliminate noise.... Right now the only tool we have as broadcasters to solve some of these issues is HD radio. I hope to get to Philly with the HD Radio and field strength meter and a DAT recorder to listen to WPEN, we hear the next to go will be WPHT, that should be very interesting, with their antenna. We also heard that equipment is on order for WCTC, so how will HD behave on a 1kw station? Going to get really interesting soon. Kerry..... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > At this point in the game I think we all need to study the Ibiquity > > data just presented to the FCC, and try to understand better what is > > going to happen when more stations start up HD. All AM and FM > > broadcasters should start giving some thought in planning for HD > > Radio if they have not already. > > IBOC would be a great concept if it just wasn't so futzed up on the > technical side of things. Sure, it has benefits, but why should we > accept a system which _purposely transmits_ the same kind of noise and > interference than AM radio listeners have been complaining about for > decades? > > IBOC follows the "I couldn't fix your brakes, so I made your horn > louder" approach, and those who are too blinded by the big hype and > the big $$$$'s to recognize this major flaw are only hastening AM > radio's demise. > > At this point, in order to save AM radio, we should be taking useless > flea-power stations off the air, identifying and fixing sources of > made-made interference, improving the receivers, and most importantly, > improving the _programming_. Filling up the band with "hash" and then > expecting people to buy $500 receivers is NOT the answer! From castellano105@yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 13:57:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84924 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 21:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 21:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60209.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 21:57:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20040312215727.53567.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.69.10.211] by web60209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:57:27 PST Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:57:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.104 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} A good move for IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Look the FCC is not going to have 2 different frequency for one station. Digital AM Stereo is going to be on present day Analog AM Stereo/Mono Frequency. Eventually all Analog Brodcasting on AM,FM and TV Will come to an end in 20 to 40 years. No more Analog Recevers will be Built. That is history marching on. --- jim smith wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > --- jimsmith wrote: > > > Hi Guys I think if IBOC was moved off AM and > to > > > the unused part of the uhf tv band between ch > 70 > > > and ch 83 It would be a much better thing for > every > > > body. I can't take the credit for this some one > els > > > on the form had this good idea. Oh yes KFRC AM > 610 > > > is still a 10khz. And thay do sound good for a > mono > > > station but i would very much like them to be > back > > > in stereo. Jim Smith > > > > > > > > > Those frequencies are NOT available they are > already > > in use. > > > > > > Powell ( currently in Ramah, NM) > > > > ===== > > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > Hi Powell Oh.... What is the uhf band being used for > setween 70 and > 83 for? Jim Smith > > ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Fri Mar 12 14:57:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41550 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 22:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 22:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 22:57:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FFC14E0C3 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:57:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29256-08 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:57:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-141-81-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.141.81]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 75F9714E0A2 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:57:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004d01c40885$8d6510e0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <000901c40804$e6df45e0$0f84d2d9@telia.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:58:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Israeli Offshore Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude but are any of these stations stereo? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Sandgren" Hello, here is the equipment of our new am-station at 603 kHz from Åland. 25kW. We are missing the antennatuner of 25kW in the package. Do you have one used???? Roy Mike and Klaus. http://www.offshore-radio.de/israel/ www.amradio.se From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 17:20:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87924 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2004 01:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2004 01:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 01:20:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2004 01:20:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:20:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1735 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.131 Subject: Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Those LED traffic lights are a real problem, especially outside the > Metro area. Do you see them going away? No they are adding more of > them, it's a nightmare. My area of NJ was really big on LED traffic lights for a while, but lately all of the new installations I've seen have gone back to regular incandescent-bulb designs -- no noise, no hash. Even the new traffic lights in front of iBiquity's headquarters here in Warren, NJ are the incandescent type. > It's almost like we are making noise to eliminate noise.... Bingo! That's exactly why IBOC is a$$-backwards. > Right now the only tool we have as broadcasters to solve some of > these issues is HD radio. BS. What were broadcasters doing about it 3 or 4 years ago? Just sitting there, waiting for IBOC to arrive? Apparently now, complaints to the FCC are going to be the only way to resolve IBOC interference issues. But if complaining to the FCC about man- made RFI didn't work 3 years ago, who says it's going to work now, when we need it most? Mark my words: IBOC will work beautifully well... *up to a certain point*. It's like adding more and more cargo to a ship, saying "Hey, this thing can hold a lot of weight!"... then all of a sudden it starts sinking very quickly! When will IBOC's "saturation point" occur? Ten years from now? Twenty? Who knows... but it's not going to be pretty, at least for the few people who might still care about AM radio at that point. And now, we can't even move to Canada to get away from it... as expected, iBiquity's nighttime IBOC report gave no mention to the interference that will be caused to bordering Canadian and Mexican stations.... after all, that's _their_ problem, not ours... right? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 17:22:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98454 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2004 01:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2004 01:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 01:22:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2004 01:22:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:22:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040312215727.53567.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 130 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.131 Subject: Re: A good move for IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Look the FCC is not going to have 2 different frequency for one > station. That's exactly what they're doing with Digital TV. From roy.sandgren@telia.com Fri Mar 12 22:07:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38766 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2004 06:07:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2004 06:07:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO av1-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net) (81.228.11.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 06:07:36 -0000 Received: by av1-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id F2A0337E6F; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 07:07:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.163]) by av1-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C5C37E48 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 07:07:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from FOO (h15n1fls31o954.telia.com [217.210.132.15]) by smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A0A5437E47 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 07:07:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003601c408c1$9c4cb680$0f84d2d9@telia.com> To: References: <000901c40804$e6df45e0$0f84d2d9@telia.com> <004d01c40885$8d6510e0$827dfea9@home1> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 07:08:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.228.11.107 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Israeli Offshore Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Scott, we do have an am-stereo generator but i don't know if it works on this mode= l. roy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Todd=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 11:58 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Israeli Offshore Radio but are any of these stations stereo? 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Version: 6.0.620 / Virus Database: 399 - Release Date: 2004-03-11 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Mar 13 04:07:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16218 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2004 12:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2004 12:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.118) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 12:07:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 04:07:02 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:07:02 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:07:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2004 12:07:02.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1EF9480:01C408F3] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.118 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: Richard said,it's the programming! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 AMEN, Richard! Very well said. I even find myself listening to NOAA weather radio an hour or so at a time, even their robotic voices are better than most of the commercial radio programming availabel here. Richard of Californina wrote: ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now, that being said, I still think that IBOC won't die due to technical problems. More and more I am convinced that it could indeed work technically... Kerry and Tom are doing at WOR may even be why it will work. But until there is programming that is worth listening to, it won't matter. I don't avoid AM because of sound quality; I avoid it because the programming bites. Of course I am now avoiding FM for the same reason. I'm seriously considering XM and Sirius just so I can hear new music again. I don't think the programming will improve fast enough to cover the expense of IBOC. Richard Wagoner _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks & Scams. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/techsafety.armx From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Mar 13 04:15:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43880 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2004 12:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2004 12:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 12:15:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 04:15:41 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:15:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:15:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2004 12:15:41.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[E74CD0B0:01C408F4] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.20 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Richard, the prolific poster scribed: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "In any event, there is one problem with with stating that they are using "some crazy wideband radio." These are the people who believed enough in AM to spend some decent money to get a good radio. They are exactly the people you want to appease, as they would be the ones to spend money on an IBOC radio, if they think it works. They have concerns: they bought a good radio t hear you better, yet you're putting them down when they complain that they now hear you worse. To state that their complaints are not justified is insulting to them. You're spitting on the people who believed in you. How many times do you think they will do that again? ~~~~~~~~~~~ AMEN again, Richard. You have a way with words and your thoughts; have you ever considered a career in writing? i.e. writing a media column? :) Donn Tillman St Petersburg,FL _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as $29.95/month. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ From krichards@wor710.com Sat Mar 13 06:05:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8549 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2004 14:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2004 14:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 14:04:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2004 14:04:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 14:04:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Kevin: Our Joy Browne did her show fron CKLW yesterday, during the setup and testing I talked to Jim their CE. He was very curious about IBOC, seems CKLW recently rebuilt their whole array, complete with a new 3DX50 transmitter. He tells me that in border cities like Windsor and elsewhere, they will be doing HD radio to serve their American markets. The current digital scheme they are using has gone almost no where, and the radios have not been proliferating as was thought they would. They are waiting for more cars to get the HD system, but they are addressing the issue now. Detroit apparently is very excited about all the mew media available for cars and trucks including the HD system. Visteon recently unvailed the new HD Ford radios going into the cars next model year. Yes, we are making noise, i.e. our "modems" on air to eliminate interference to the analog signal. The environment is now so noisy that it is beyond the FCC's capability to do anything about it. A good example is WCTC, I used to be able to get a pretty good signal in C-Quam here in Jersey City, not any more....it's noisy. And this is after WCTC's new antenna which was installed about 10 years ago. You'd think they do something about it, like a filing for a power increase and or a directional array. My understanding is that as a ND station it is so squeezed in they cannot even get permission to run full power at the studio site, only 250 watts on that shunt fed tower in the backyard, and as an Aux site two miles away from the main site. Besides the main site next to the river probably has a better ground system. But there they sit at 1kw, and real loss of signal to noise especially along the Route 1 corridor. The HD system is immune to noise from power lines like that on Route 1, even WOR has trouble in some spots on the way to Princeton, our PD lives down there, and complains about it. Needless to say he will be getting an HD radio in his next car. This isssue of noise is what is killing AM radio in a lot of markets, HD fixes this, but at what cost? Time will tell. One other note, you have to remember that the FM stations converting will only help us AMers. That will increase the HD proliferation, probably more than AM stations, although AM gets a real benefit, which is startingly noticible. There are already HD software updates being prepared as the technology improves, so it can only get better from here as time goes on. Just like AM Stereo in it's start, we need more radios. This time we have a better shot because of the FM HD stations. I would not count on LED traffic signals going away anytime soon, the new microprocessor traffic controllers cannot even drive lightbulbs anymore, it's all low voltage stuff. The railroads are doing the same thing, the PATH system just rebuilt the new WTC tunnels and route. Guess what...it's all LED signals, and they have a contract out to rebuild the whole signal system with this new technology. I am not sure if the new generation of traffic equipment generates as much noise as the current hybrid system in use at some intersections, but I know of several noisy locations. We get complaints from our listeners, especially on the ass end of our array, where we have nulls. Like Tom's drive down Route 17 with the HD radio every morning on his way into Manhattan, it's clean now in weak areas with HD, where before the analog was noisy. Route 10 through NJ around I-278 is another one, but if you look at the life expectancy of decades for the LED traffic sugnals compared to bulbs...what do you think will happen? Kerry..... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Those LED traffic lights are a real problem, especially outside the > > Metro area. Do you see them going away? No they are adding more of > > them, it's a nightmare. > > My area of NJ was really big on LED traffic lights for a while, but > lately all of the new installations I've seen have gone back to > regular incandescent-bulb designs -- no noise, no hash. Even the new > traffic lights in front of iBiquity's headquarters here in Warren, NJ > are the incandescent type. > > > It's almost like we are making noise to eliminate noise.... > > Bingo! That's exactly why IBOC is a$$-backwards. > > > Right now the only tool we have as broadcasters to solve some of > > these issues is HD radio. > > BS. What were broadcasters doing about it 3 or 4 years ago? Just > sitting there, waiting for IBOC to arrive? Apparently now, > complaints to the FCC are going to be the only way to resolve IBOC > interference issues. But if complaining to the FCC about man- > made RFI didn't work 3 years ago, who says it's going to work now, > when we need it most? > > Mark my words: IBOC will work beautifully well... *up to a certain > point*. It's like adding more and more cargo to a ship, saying > "Hey, this thing can hold a lot of weight!"... then all of a sudden > it starts sinking very quickly! > > When will IBOC's "saturation point" occur? Ten years from now? > Twenty? Who knows... but it's not going to be pretty, at least for > the few people who might still care about AM radio at that point. > > And now, we can't even move to Canada to get away from it... as > expected, iBiquity's nighttime IBOC report gave no mention to the > interference that will be caused to bordering Canadian and Mexican > stations.... after all, that's _their_ problem, not ours... right? From stodd@vippn.com Sat Mar 13 07:36:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19203 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2004 15:36:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2004 15:36:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 15:36:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7352514E09D for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:36:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19194-09 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:36:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-142-171-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.142.171]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F09314E083 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:36:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001d01c40911$1b5277e0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <000901c40804$e6df45e0$0f84d2d9@telia.com> <004d01c40885$8d6510e0$827dfea9@home1> <003601c408c1$9c4cb680$0f84d2d9@telia.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:37:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Israeli Offshore Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Most any modern AM transmitter can be made stereo. The L-R signal is a phase modulated carrier which replaces the oscillator. Please consider installing it. If I can't answer your questions as to how to do it, I can refer you to some other people who are more knowlegeable. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Sandgren" To: Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Israeli Offshore Radio Hello Scott, we do have an am-stereo generator but i don't know if it works on this model. roy ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 11:58 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Israeli Offshore Radio but are any of these stations stereo? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Sandgren" Hello, here is the equipment of our new am-station at 603 kHz from Åland. 25kW. We are missing the antennatuner of 25kW in the package. Do you have one used???? 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Groups Links From stodd@vippn.com Sat Mar 13 07:38:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69056 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2004 15:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2004 15:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 15:38:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C4E14E091 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:38:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19348-02 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:38:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-142-171-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.142.171]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A8B7114E09E for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:38:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002e01c40911$612f4b80$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:39:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Richard said,it's the programming! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Now that IS bad! :O ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > AMEN, Richard! > > Very well said. > > I even find myself listening to NOAA weather radio an hour or so at a time, > even their robotic voices are better than most of the commercial radio > programming availabel here. From stodd@vippn.com Sat Mar 13 07:43:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32045 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2004 15:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2004 15:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 15:43:24 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127E814E0AD for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:43:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19293-10 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:43:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-142-171-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.142.171]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 043CD14E083 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:43:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004301c40912$172cf4a0$827dfea9@home1> To: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:44:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: sidelined again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Going to be getting a different ISP; old account is closing this weekend, but the new account isn't set up yet, so I'll be reading off the archives from work for a bit. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Mar 13 09:29:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13250 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2004 17:29:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2004 17:29:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 17:29:53 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2DHRjwi045488 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:27:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <405343B8.9090604@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:24:08 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of LED signaling.. have you tried to listen to an AM radio sitting on one of the new New Jersey Transit buses?? (of course this is slightly exaggerated but not far from the truth) you can almost Be parked in WOR's transmitter site on one of these Buses and not hear WOR because of all the electronic noise these buses Put out. at 50 kw. WOR can only be heard about 1-2 Miles sitting on the bus... that is No exaggeration.. WCTC's Coverage is about Right For a 1 kw station.. I hear them fine at Night living down here at exit 8a.. I am about 14 Miles south of them.. Kerry Richards wrote: > >A good example is WCTC, I used to be able to get a pretty good signal >in C-Quam here in Jersey City, not any more....it's noisy. And this >is after WCTC's new antenna which was installed about 10 years ago. >You'd think they do something about it, like a filing for a power >increase and or a directional array. My understanding is that as a ND >station it is so squeezed in they cannot even get permission to run >full power at the studio site, only 250 watts on that shunt fed tower >in the backyard, and as an Aux site two miles away from the main >site. Besides the main site next to the river probably has a better >ground system. But there they sit at 1kw, and real loss of signal to >noise especially along the Route 1 corridor. > >The HD system is immune to noise from power lines like that on Route >1, even WOR has trouble in some spots on the way to Princeton, our PD >lives down there, and complains about it. Needless to say he will be >getting an HD radio in his next car. > >This isssue of noise is what is killing AM radio in a lot of markets, >HD fixes this, but at what cost? Time will tell. > >I would not count on LED traffic signals going away anytime soon, the >new microprocessor traffic controllers cannot even drive lightbulbs >anymore, it's all low voltage stuff. The railroads are doing the same >thing, the PATH system just rebuilt the new WTC tunnels and route. >Guess what...it's all LED signals, and they have a contract out to >rebuild the whole signal system with this new technology. > >I am not sure if the new generation of traffic equipment generates as >much noise as the current hybrid system in use at some intersections, >but I know of several noisy locations. We get complaints from our >listeners, especially on the ass end of our array, where we have >nulls. Like Tom's drive down Route 17 with the HD radio every morning >on his way into Manhattan, it's clean now in weak areas with HD, >where before the analog was noisy. > >Route 10 through NJ around I-278 is another one, but if you look at >the life expectancy of decades for the LED traffic sugnals compared >to bulbs...what do you think will happen? > > >Kerry..... > > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." >wrote: > > >>>Those LED traffic lights are a real problem, especially outside >>> >>> >the > > >>>Metro area. Do you see them going away? No they are adding more of >>>them, it's a nightmare. >>> >>> >>My area of NJ was really big on LED traffic lights for a while, but >>lately all of the new installations I've seen have gone back to >>regular incandescent-bulb designs -- no noise, no hash. Even the >> >> >new > > >>traffic lights in front of iBiquity's headquarters here in Warren, >> >> >NJ > > >>are the incandescent type. >> >> >> >>>It's almost like we are making noise to eliminate noise.... >>> >>> >>Bingo! That's exactly why IBOC is a$$-backwards. >> >> >> >>>Right now the only tool we have as broadcasters to solve some of >>>these issues is HD radio. >>> >>> >>BS. What were broadcasters doing about it 3 or 4 years ago? Just >>sitting there, waiting for IBOC to arrive? Apparently now, >>complaints to the FCC are going to be the only way to resolve IBOC >>interference issues. But if complaining to the FCC about man- >>made RFI didn't work 3 years ago, who says it's going to work now, >>when we need it most? >> >>Mark my words: IBOC will work beautifully well... *up to a certain >>point*. It's like adding more and more cargo to a ship, saying >>"Hey, this thing can hold a lot of weight!"... then all of a sudden >>it starts sinking very quickly! >> >>When will IBOC's "saturation point" occur? Ten years from now? >>Twenty? Who knows... but it's not going to be pretty, at least for >>the few people who might still care about AM radio at that point. >> >>And now, we can't even move to Canada to get away from it... as >>expected, iBiquity's nighttime IBOC report gave no mention to the >>interference that will be caused to bordering Canadian and Mexican >>stations.... after all, that's _their_ problem, not ours... right? >> >> > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 13:31:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2419 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2004 21:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2004 21:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 21:31:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2004 21:31:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:31:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3010 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.12 Subject: Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > He tells me that in border cities like Windsor and elsewhere, they > will be doing HD radio to serve their American markets. Not on AM. IBOC doesn't fit the stricter NRSC-1 audio mask that has been mandatory for Canadian AM stations since 1989. (Unfortunately, this spec is only _voluntary_ for U.S. stations, and that is why iBiquity's system can be used here at all.) > The current digital scheme they are using has gone almost no where, > and the radios have not been proliferating as was thought they > would. And so far, you can say exactly the same thing about IBOC in the USA. > Yes, we are making noise, i.e. our "modems" on air to eliminate > interference to the analog signal. The environment is now so noisy > that it is beyond the FCC's capability to do anything about it. Perhaps if the FCC wasn't so busy trying to censor our airwaves according to a Puritanical view of "indecency", then they _might_ be able to do something about it. And like I said, iBiquity's excuse is that complaints to the FCC will resolve any IBOC interference problems. But if the FCC can't even properly enforce their existing rules and crack down on pre-existing sources of interference, then exactly how are they going to have the resources to deal with the mess if/when nighttime IBOC gets on the air? > A good example is WCTC, I used to be able to get a pretty good > signal in C-Quam here in Jersey City, not any more....it's noisy. Sorry, Jersey City is not in WCTC's protected signal contour. If it's noisy there, then tough luck! And if 1430 WNSW fires up an IBOC signal, you can forget about hearing WCTC there at all. Don't you know that out-of-area distant listeners don't count anymore? At least that's the excuse the IBOC proponents have been using all the while. > You'd think they do something about it, like a filing for a power > increase and or a directional array. No-can-do on a Class C "graveyard" channel. If WCTC could get more than 1 kW, they'd be the first in the country. > Besides the main site next to the river probably has a better > ground system. But there they sit at 1kw, and real loss of signal > to noise especially along the Route 1 corridor. I was just on Route 1 today listening to WCTC. Absolutely no signal problems in the areas they care about covering. WCTC does not intend to be a North Jersey or NYC station. They are a Central Jersey station. For covering Northern NJ and parts of NYC, Greater Media has 1250 WMTR. > This isssue of noise is what is killing AM radio in a lot of > markets, HD fixes this, but at what cost? Time will tell. If noise is killing AM radio, IBOC attempts to solve it by adding _more_ noise to the band. Logical, no? > There are already HD software updates being prepared as the > technology improves, so it can only get better from here as time > goes on. Software doesn't change the fact that IBOC is trashing the band with the same problem it's trying to solve -- noise and interference. From castellano105@yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 14:08:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3802 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2004 22:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2004 22:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60210.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 22:08:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20040313220853.85881.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.30.52.140] by web60210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 14:08:53 PST Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 14:08:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.105 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Canada like Europe and Asia will join IBOC in a way suted for their AM and FM formate The same for TV. I Speeck and Read several languages so I have gone to their,respective type and read their articles and news. Remember AM in Europe is in 9khz steps not 10khz. They stand to gain more in a very croded field. --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > He tells me that in border cities like Windsor and > elsewhere, they > > will be doing HD radio to serve their American > markets. > > Not on AM. IBOC doesn't fit the stricter NRSC-1 > audio mask that has > been mandatory for Canadian AM stations since 1989. > (Unfortunately, > this spec is only _voluntary_ for U.S. stations, and > that is why > iBiquity's system can be used here at all.) > > > The current digital scheme they are using has gone > almost no where, > > and the radios have not been proliferating as was > thought they > > would. > > And so far, you can say exactly the same thing about > IBOC in the USA. > > > Yes, we are making noise, i.e. our "modems" on air > to eliminate > > interference to the analog signal. The environment > is now so noisy > > that it is beyond the FCC's capability to do > anything about it. > > Perhaps if the FCC wasn't so busy trying to censor > our airwaves > according to a Puritanical view of "indecency", then > they _might_ be > able to do something about it. > > And like I said, iBiquity's excuse is that > complaints to the FCC will > resolve any IBOC interference problems. But if the > FCC can't even > properly enforce their existing rules and crack down > on pre-existing > sources of interference, then exactly how are they > going to have the > resources to deal with the mess if/when nighttime > IBOC gets on the > air? > > > A good example is WCTC, I used to be able to get a > pretty good > > signal in C-Quam here in Jersey City, not any > more....it's noisy. > > Sorry, Jersey City is not in WCTC's protected signal > contour. If > it's noisy there, then tough luck! And if 1430 WNSW > fires up an > IBOC signal, you can forget about hearing WCTC there > at all. Don't > you know that out-of-area distant listeners don't > count anymore? > At least that's the excuse the IBOC proponents have > been using all > the while. > > > You'd think they do something about it, like a > filing for a power > > increase and or a directional array. > > No-can-do on a Class C "graveyard" channel. If WCTC > could get more > than 1 kW, they'd be the first in the country. > > > Besides the main site next to the river probably > has a better > > ground system. But there they sit at 1kw, and real > loss of signal > > to noise especially along the Route 1 corridor. > > I was just on Route 1 today listening to WCTC. > Absolutely no signal > problems in the areas they care about covering. > WCTC does not intend > to be a North Jersey or NYC station. They are a > Central Jersey > station. For covering Northern NJ and parts of NYC, > Greater Media > has 1250 WMTR. > > > This isssue of noise is what is killing AM radio > in a lot of > > markets, HD fixes this, but at what cost? Time > will tell. > > If noise is killing AM radio, IBOC attempts to solve > it by adding > _more_ noise to the band. Logical, no? > > > There are already HD software updates being > prepared as the > > technology improves, so it can only get better > from here as time > > goes on. > > Software doesn't change the fact that IBOC is > trashing the band with > the same problem it's trying to solve -- noise and > interference. > > > ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Mar 13 20:31:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23996 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 04:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 04:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 04:31:22 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040314043118.EJSK2180.fed1mtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 23:31:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:31:19 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <405343B8.9090604@skyweb.net> Message-Id: <70984D0B-7570-11D8-89F1-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.126 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LED light signals do absolutely nothing to AM reception or interference=20 in my city. On Saturday, March 13, 2004, at 09:24 AM, Neal Newman wrote: > Speaking of=A0 LED signaling.. > have you tried to listen to an AM radio sitting on one of the new=A0 New > Jersey Transit buses?? > (of course this is slightly exaggerated but not far from the truth) you > can almost Be parked in WOR's transmitter site on one of these Buses=A0 > and not hear WOR because of all the electronic noise these buses Put > out. at 50 kw. WOR can only be heard about 1-2 Miles sitting on the=20 > bus... > that is No exaggeration.. > WCTC's Coverage is about Right For a 1 kw station.. I hear them fine at > Night living down here at exit 8a.. I am about 14 Miles south of them.. > Kerry Richards wrote: > > > > >A good example is WCTC, I used to be able to get a pretty good signal > >in C-Quam here in Jersey City, not any more....it's noisy. And this > >is after WCTC's new antenna which was installed about 10 years ago. > >You'd think they do something about it, like a filing for a power > >increase and or a directional array. My understanding is that as a ND > >station it is so squeezed in they cannot even get permission to run > >full power at the studio site, only 250 watts on that shunt fed tower > >in the backyard, and as an Aux site two miles away from the main > >site. Besides the main site next to the river probably has a better > >ground system. But there they sit at 1kw, and real loss of signal to > >noise especially along the Route 1 corridor. > > > >The HD system is immune to noise from power lines like that on Route > >1, even WOR has trouble in some spots on the way to Princeton, our PD > >lives down there, and complains about it. Needless to say he will be > >getting an HD radio in his next car. > > > >This isssue of noise is what is killing AM radio in a lot of markets, > >HD fixes this, but at what cost? Time will tell. > > > >I would not count on LED traffic signals going away anytime soon, the > >new microprocessor traffic controllers cannot even drive lightbulbs > >anymore, it's all low voltage stuff. The railroads are doing the same > >thing, the PATH system just rebuilt the new WTC tunnels and route. > >Guess what...it's all LED signals, and they have a contract out to > >rebuild the whole signal system with this new technology. > > > >I am not sure if the new generation of traffic equipment generates as > >much noise as the current hybrid system in use at some intersections, > >but I know of several noisy locations. We get complaints from our > >listeners, especially on the ass end of our array, where we have > >nulls. Like Tom's drive down Route 17 with the HD radio every morning > >on his way into Manhattan, it's clean now in weak areas with HD, > >where before the analog was noisy. > > > >Route 10 through NJ around I-278 is another one, but if you look at > >the life expectancy of decades for the LED traffic sugnals compared > >to bulbs...what do you think will happen? > > > > > >Kerry..... > > > > > > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > >wrote: > >=A0 > > > >>>Those LED traffic lights are a real problem, especially outside > >>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > >>> > >the > >=A0 > > > >>>Metro area. Do you see them going away? No they are adding more of > >>>them, it's a nightmare. > >>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > >>> > >>My area of NJ was really big on LED traffic lights for a while, but > >>lately all of the new installations I've seen have gone back to > >>regular incandescent-bulb designs -- no noise, no hash.=A0 Even the > >>=A0=A0=A0 > >> > >new > >=A0 > > > >>traffic lights in front of iBiquity's headquarters here in Warren, > >>=A0=A0=A0 > >> > >NJ > >=A0 > > > >>are the incandescent type. > >> > >>=A0=A0=A0 > >> > >>>It's almost like we are making noise to eliminate noise.... > >>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > >>> > >>Bingo!=A0 That's exactly why IBOC is a$$-backwards. > >> > >>=A0=A0=A0 > >> > >>>Right now the only tool we have as broadcasters to solve some of > >>>these issues is HD radio. > >>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > >>> > >>BS.=A0 What were broadcasters doing about it 3 or 4 years ago?=A0 Just > >>sitting there, waiting for IBOC to arrive?=A0 Apparently now, > >>complaints to the FCC are going to be the only way to resolve IBOC > >>interference issues.=A0 But if complaining to the FCC about man- > >>made RFI didn't work 3 years ago, who says it's going to work now, > >>when we need it most? > >> > >>Mark my words: IBOC will work beautifully well... *up to a certain > >>point*.=A0 It's like adding more and more cargo to a ship, saying > >>"Hey, this thing can hold a lot of weight!"... then all of a sudden > >>it starts sinking very quickly! > >> > >>When will IBOC's "saturation point" occur?=A0 Ten years from now? > >>Twenty?=A0 Who knows... but it's not going to be pretty, at least for > >>the few people who might still care about AM radio at that point. > >> > >>And now, we can't even move to Canada to get away from it... as > >>expected, iBiquity's nighttime IBOC report gave no mention to the > >>interference that will be caused to bordering Canadian and Mexican > >>stations.... after all, that's _their_ problem, not ours... right? > >>=A0=A0=A0 > >> > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=A0 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Mar 13 20:36:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48780 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 04:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 04:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 04:36:36 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040314043635.DODF23486.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 23:36:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:36:34 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2C56BE46-7571-11D8-89F1-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.241 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Saturday, March 13, 2004, at 04:15 AM, Donn Tillman wrote: > AMEN again, Richard. > > You have a way with words and your thoughts; have you ever considered a > career in writing? i.e. writing a media column? :) > Thank you for the comments; you are far too kind. My high school English teacher used to complain that my writing was too much like a newspaper. Turns out, I did end up writing a radio column for the local paper, and still do after 17 years (give or take one or two). Go to http://memebrs.cox.net/rwagoner for the unedited version. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 20:57:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82918 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 04:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 04:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 04:57:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 04:57:37 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47379 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 03:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 03:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 03:26:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 03:26:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 03:26:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.108 Subject: Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Mar 2004 04:57:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > At this point in the game I think we all need to study the Ibiquity > > data just presented to the FCC, and try to understand better what is > > going to happen when more stations start up HD. All AM and FM > > broadcasters should start giving some thought in planning for HD > > Radio if they have not already. > > IBOC would be a great concept if it just wasn't so futzed up on the > technical side of things. Sure, it has benefits, but why should we > accept a system which _purposely transmits_ the same kind of noise and > interference than AM radio listeners have been complaining about for > decades? Be careful! There's a movement to make it illegal to say "futzed"! Aren't you PROUD to be an American, guaranteeded to speak as you please, except for this and for that, and Heaven knows if you dare to speak against The Powers That Be, because they know far better than us lowly peons oh how to exercise our First Amendment right to free speech! Lord knows, it's now illegal to show "Roots" on broadcast TV! Sorry, I had to do that, get it off my chest. Anyhoo, yes- Grerat way to advertize the new radio system, by making radio unlistenable! This is the GREATEST marketing ploy of our time! We must ALL bow down and emulate these great minds who believe a hosed AM & FM is a better AM & FM! Yes, I'm a bit cheesed off. > IBOC follows the "I couldn't fix your brakes, so I made your horn > louder" approach, and those who are too blinded by the big hype and > the big $$$$'s to recognize this major flaw are only hastening AM > radio's demise. I don't think it's so much horns in your analogy, but I liken it to new, shiney hubcaps with hand-panted whitewalled tires, and flashing lights all over the place- New and improved, and worth $100,000, even though it's really the same old heap of junk. Otherwise, yes- It's the moneyt, and that it's "DIGITAL", and NAB and the FCC mandate it, so- Let's all go IBOC! Won't it be FUN??!!?? > At this point, in order to save AM radio, we should be taking useless > flea-power stations off the air, identifying and fixing sources of > made-made interference, improving the receivers, and most importantly, > improving the _programming_. Filling up the band with "hash" and then > expecting people to buy $500 receivers is NOT the answer! Ever heard of "Scorched Earth"? Amy. <:3 )~~9~ (I'm mad as H*** and I'm not gonna take it anymore!) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 20:57:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47309 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 04:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 04:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 04:57:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 04:57:46 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10419 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 03:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 03:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 03:29:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 03:28:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 03:28:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 72 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.108 Subject: Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Mar 2004 04:57:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 The local stations here rent space on others' towers. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 20:58:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 58134 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 04:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 04:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 04:58:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 04:58:01 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59420 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 03:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 03:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 03:33:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 03:33:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 03:33:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 404 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.108 Subject: Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Mar 2004 04:58:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > And now, we can't even move to Canada to get away from it... as > expected, iBiquity's nighttime IBOC report gave no mention to the > interference that will be caused to bordering Canadian and Mexican > stations.... after all, that's _their_ problem, not ours... right? "F*** 'em! They're not Americans." Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 20:58:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75744 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 04:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 04:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 04:58:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 04:58:11 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30176 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 03:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 03:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 03:35:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 03:35:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 03:35:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 321 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.108 Subject: Re: Richard said,it's the programming! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Mar 2004 04:58:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > I even find myself listening to NOAA weather radio an hour or so at a time, > even their robotic voices are better than most of the commercial radio > programming availabel here. When all else fails... WWV! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 20:58:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85213 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 04:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 04:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 04:58:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 04:58:38 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87878 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 03:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 03:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 03:54:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 03:54:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 03:54:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040313220853.85881.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1234 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.108 Subject: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Mar 2004 04:58:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Francisco Guzman wrote: > Canada like Europe and Asia will join IBOC in a way > suted for their AM and FM formate The same for TV. I > Speeck and Read several languages so I have gone to > their,respective type and read their articles and > news. Remember AM in Europe is in 9khz steps not > 10khz. They stand to gain more in a very croded field. Germany will be the first to phase out the FM band. The UK will follow suit. These two countries are the strongest at DAB, right now. The AM band over there is about as bad as it is in the eastern US, only moreso since quite a few broadcasters use anywhere from 100kW to 1MW of power. (France Bleu, one of the few AMS stations in Europe, is the most powerful AMSer at 300kW.) There is an attempt to introduce DRM in the AM band, but there has been little interest in it outside Germany, although it has gained some interest globally on shortwave. Oh, and as for Canada, I have seen little in the way of proactive promotion of DAB, with sites that are as muchg as 5 years out of date. If you want to improve that matter, you'll have to p;ublicize it better. Canada has fallen down on the job, here. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 21:49:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43663 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 05:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 05:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 05:49:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 05:48:46 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90078 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 05:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 05:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 05:13:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 05:13:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 05:13:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <70984D0B-7570-11D8-89F1-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 218 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.108 Subject: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Mar 2004 05:48:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > LED light signals do absolutely nothing to AM reception or interference > in my city. Same here, up in the redwoods. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith@vfr.net Sun Mar 14 02:26:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68658 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 10:26:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 10:26:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 10:26:25 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-67-124-14-74.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.124.14.74]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i2EAQPO38244 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 02:26:25 -0800 Message-ID: <001201c409ae$26046c00$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 02:21:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: KNX AM 1070 AM MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys Well we lost another c-quam station. I went to KNX AM 1070 at 1:08 am sunday March 14 2003 and there is no pilot tone from them any more at all. Its like saying good bye to a old frend. First the drama hour now this. This sucks. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Sun Mar 14 02:58:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83435 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 10:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 10:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 10:58:42 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (adsl-67-124-14-74.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.124.14.74]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i2EAwfI37124 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 02:58:42 -0800 Message-ID: <001001c409b2$a87e61a0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 02:53:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: KSURF AM 540 oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys I noted that the other nite that KSURF AM 540 is no longer playing audolt standard any more but now thay are playing 50's and 60's oldies. thay where in stereo as of last summer. I wish i can get them better. All these neat oldies stations on the air now and not one in c-quam. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From castellano105@yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 05:24:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35507 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 13:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 13:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 13:23:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20040314132358.14416.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.161.233.190] by web60208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 05:23:58 PST Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 05:23:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.103 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Their is now one Mexican FM Station testing IBOC in the north. --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > And now, we can't even move to Canada to get away > from it... as > > expected, iBiquity's nighttime IBOC report gave no > mention to the > > interference that will be caused to bordering > Canadian and Mexican > > stations.... after all, that's _their_ problem, > not ours... right? > > "F*** 'em! They're not Americans." > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Mar 14 06:47:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50640 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 14:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 14:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 14:47:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 14:47:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:47:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c409ae$26046c00$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 321 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.159.192.39 Subject: Re: KNX AM 1070 AM MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith" wrote: > KNX AM 1070 . . . no pilot tone from them . . . > This sucks. Jim Smith Confirmed at 6:45 am. Of course, the stereo went away some months ago, so it's no big loss. The real trouble should be along presently, when they fire up the ol' IBOC. From castellano105@yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 07:10:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92278 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 15:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 15:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 15:10:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 15:10:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:10:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 840 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 205.161.233.190 Subject: To enjoy Music in Stereo. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 I whant to enjoy my Music in Stereo in a Hi-Fidelity way. My kind of Music is found in AM,FM has become the now Music format geard to the very young. AM is were I can enjoy my music, I had great hope for AM Stereo when it came out,but The FCC slow responce Kill the future of this meadium. Now Digital AM is being tested,this might be AM Stereo last hope To continue bringing the music I like in Hi-Fi Stereo. Now some folks are unhappy becaue they might lose their hobby of DX AM. Others because they want Analog and are Resistant to change. Others don't think HD AM is technologically not ready. All new tech has it flaws,the same way old tech had when it was new. It tacke's time and paitiance to develope new tech. If Your favorite music is found on AM,then you whant to enjoyit in the best possible way. Let see what happens. From dougharding@mindspring.com Sun Mar 14 09:09:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52655 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 17:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 17:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 17:09:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 17:09:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:09:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 250 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.21.124 Subject: Heathkit AJ-21 Hi Fi AM tube tuner for sale on Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding The item number is 3083775895 . I have one of these and the sound is very warm and rich. It can be converted to AM stereo with one of Chris Cuffs decoder boards. The listing says it is in working condition. It is very wideband and sounds like FM. From tomray@wor710.com Sun Mar 14 12:54:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49090 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 20:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 20:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 20:54:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 20:54:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:54:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1414 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 66.185.33.24 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Let's see..... 250,000 persons quarter hour cume. 5 of those people have a decent radio. You do the math and see where the money should be spent..... Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > Richard, the prolific poster scribed: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "In any event, there is one problem with with stating that they are > using "some crazy wideband radio." These are the people who believed > enough in AM to spend some decent money to get a good radio. They are > exactly the people you want to appease, as they would be the ones to > spend money on an IBOC radio, if they think it works. They have > concerns: they bought a good radio t hear you better, yet you're > putting them down when they complain that they now hear you worse. To > state that their complaints are not justified is insulting to them. > > You're spitting on the people who believed in you. How many times do > you think they will do that again? > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > > AMEN again, Richard. > > You have a way with words and your thoughts; have you ever considered a > career in writing? i.e. writing a media column? :) > > Donn Tillman > St Petersburg,FL > > _________________________________________________________________ > Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as > $29.95/month. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ From stodd@vippn.com Sun Mar 14 13:30:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76852 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 21:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 21:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 21:30:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A44B14E0B4 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:30:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27694-05 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:30:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-140-126-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.126]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 39BE514E0A7 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:30:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001501c40a0b$c5332d40$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:31:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They weren't doing anything about it BEFORE the Janet Jackson blow-up. What makes you think that this has diverted their attention? If it had never come along I suspect nothing would be different. And just what is so puritanical about it? Lots of Democrats up on Capitol Hill are wearing spiked shoes on this one too. I've never heard you say anything negative to anyone on this list who has complained about Bubba the Love Sponge in the past, so just what has changed? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Perhaps if the FCC wasn't so busy trying to censor our airwaves > according to a Puritanical view of "indecency", then they _might_ be > able to do something about it. > > And like I said, iBiquity's excuse is that complaints to the FCC will > resolve any IBOC interference problems. But if the FCC can't even > properly enforce their existing rules and crack down on pre-existing > sources of interference, then exactly how are they going to have the > resources to deal with the mess if/when nighttime IBOC gets on the > air? From stodd@vippn.com Sun Mar 14 13:33:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7420 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 21:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 21:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.secureserverinternet.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 21:33:00 -0000 Received: from localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1523214E097 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:32:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.secureserverinternet.com ([204.2.35.12]) by localhost (smtp.secureserverinternet.com [204.2.35.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27792-02 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:32:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from home1 (65-45-140-126-min-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.140.126]) by mail.secureserverinternet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 327FE14E095 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:32:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001901c40a0c$1639f980$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <70984D0B-7570-11D8-89F1-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:34:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at secureserverinternet.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.2.35.12 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've noticed a few of them do around here, but most of them don't. Not sure what the difference is, but the good ones should be the only ones authorized for use. The hash generators tend to be installed in four-way flashers and such. YMMV Scott TOdd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" To: Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission LED light signals do absolutely nothing to AM reception or interference in my city. On Saturday, March 13, 2004, at 09:24 AM, Neal Newman wrote: > Speaking of LED signaling.. > have you tried to listen to an AM radio sitting on one of the new New > Jersey Transit buses?? > (of course this is slightly exaggerated but not far from the truth) you > can almost Be parked in WOR's transmitter site on one of these Buses > and not hear WOR because of all the electronic noise these buses Put > out. at 50 kw. WOR can only be heard about 1-2 Miles sitting on the > bus... > that is No exaggeration.. > WCTC's Coverage is about Right For a 1 kw station.. I hear them fine at > Night living down here at exit 8a.. I am about 14 Miles south of them.. > Kerry Richards wrote: > > > > >A good example is WCTC, I used to be able to get a pretty good signal > >in C-Quam here in Jersey City, not any more....it's noisy. And this > >is after WCTC's new antenna which was installed about 10 years ago. > >You'd think they do something about it, like a filing for a power > >increase and or a directional array. My understanding is that as a ND > >station it is so squeezed in they cannot even get permission to run > >full power at the studio site, only 250 watts on that shunt fed tower > >in the backyard, and as an Aux site two miles away from the main > >site. Besides the main site next to the river probably has a better > >ground system. But there they sit at 1kw, and real loss of signal to > >noise especially along the Route 1 corridor. > > > >The HD system is immune to noise from power lines like that on Route > >1, even WOR has trouble in some spots on the way to Princeton, our PD > >lives down there, and complains about it. Needless to say he will be > >getting an HD radio in his next car. > > > >This isssue of noise is what is killing AM radio in a lot of markets, > >HD fixes this, but at what cost? Time will tell. > > > >I would not count on LED traffic signals going away anytime soon, the > >new microprocessor traffic controllers cannot even drive lightbulbs > >anymore, it's all low voltage stuff. The railroads are doing the same > >thing, the PATH system just rebuilt the new WTC tunnels and route. > >Guess what...it's all LED signals, and they have a contract out to > >rebuild the whole signal system with this new technology. > > > >I am not sure if the new generation of traffic equipment generates as > >much noise as the current hybrid system in use at some intersections, > >but I know of several noisy locations. We get complaints from our > >listeners, especially on the ass end of our array, where we have > >nulls. Like Tom's drive down Route 17 with the HD radio every morning > >on his way into Manhattan, it's clean now in weak areas with HD, > >where before the analog was noisy. > > > >Route 10 through NJ around I-278 is another one, but if you look at > >the life expectancy of decades for the LED traffic sugnals compared > >to bulbs...what do you think will happen? > > > > > >Kerry..... > > > > > > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > >wrote: > > > > > >>>Those LED traffic lights are a real problem, especially outside > >>> > >>> > >the > > > > > >>>Metro area. Do you see them going away? No they are adding more of > >>>them, it's a nightmare. > >>> > >>> > >>My area of NJ was really big on LED traffic lights for a while, but > >>lately all of the new installations I've seen have gone back to > >>regular incandescent-bulb designs -- no noise, no hash. Even the > >> > >> > >new > > > > > >>traffic lights in front of iBiquity's headquarters here in Warren, > >> > >> > >NJ > > > > > >>are the incandescent type. > >> > >> > >> > >>>It's almost like we are making noise to eliminate noise.... > >>> > >>> > >>Bingo! That's exactly why IBOC is a$$-backwards. > >> > >> > >> > >>>Right now the only tool we have as broadcasters to solve some of > >>>these issues is HD radio. > >>> > >>> > >>BS. What were broadcasters doing about it 3 or 4 years ago? Just > >>sitting there, waiting for IBOC to arrive? Apparently now, > >>complaints to the FCC are going to be the only way to resolve IBOC > >>interference issues. But if complaining to the FCC about man- > >>made RFI didn't work 3 years ago, who says it's going to work now, > >>when we need it most? > >> > >>Mark my words: IBOC will work beautifully well... *up to a certain > >>point*. It's like adding more and more cargo to a ship, saying > >>"Hey, this thing can hold a lot of weight!"... then all of a sudden > >>it starts sinking very quickly! > >> > >>When will IBOC's "saturation point" occur? Ten years from now? > >>Twenty? Who knows... but it's not going to be pretty, at least for > >>the few people who might still care about AM radio at that point. > >> > >>And now, we can't even move to Canada to get away from it... as > >>expected, iBiquity's nighttime IBOC report gave no mention to the > >>interference that will be caused to bordering Canadian and Mexican > >>stations.... after all, that's _their_ problem, not ours... right? > >> > >> > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > . To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > . To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > . Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From kvzichi@yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 13:36:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kvzichi@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38706 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 21:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 21:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 21:36:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 21:36:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:36:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1213 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "kvzichi" X-Originating-IP: 67.217.103.20 Subject: Using MCS 3050 (and other!) radio for x-band reception X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59548075 X-Yahoo-Profile: kvzichi I posted a long while ago about modifying the JCPenney MCS 3050 AM$ radio to receive stations between 1620 and 1700 which it was not designed to receive originally. I got the schematic, and quickly realized that the technical skills necessary to perform such a modification were not in MY toolbox, however, I happened across a 'fix' that requires little skill, and should work with any radio that won't tune the 'x-band' on its own. All you need is a TUNED antenna (like a loop) that has some degree of 'Q'. Tune the antenna for the station you want to hear (eg 1680) and then tune the RADIO to the image frequency that is in the radio's tuning range, (eg for the MCS 3050 that is 900 kHz lower, or 780 kHz). A little jockying of the antenna tuning capacitor should bring in the station in the x band rather than the station on the fundamental frequency. Works well expect when there is a REALLY strong signal on the fundamental. (WJR on 760 is too close to me to make this work for 660, but other channels work fine) Anyone have a better way to do this, or has someone with real technical skills (as opposed to what I have) created a way to modify radios to do this? 73 all //Ken Zichi From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Mar 14 13:43:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13132 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 21:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 21:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 21:43:54 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040314214351.NQFC19401.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:43:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:43:49 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.125 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And the figure comes from where? (Yes, I know you are exaggerating). Sad thing is, if it WERE true , it really makes the success of HD somewhat limited. "Good" radios are relatively cheap: the Superadio for example. And people wouldn't even buy those? And the people who actually DID buy good radios to hear AM better are labeled as nuts. Hmm. Great incentive for me to buy an HD radio. If I could get Ibiquity to send me a demo loaner, I'd give it an unbiased review for my column; they don't seem too interested, preferring to hide behind bad analog comparisons with HD. They say they are not, but they are sure acting like a company with much to hide. Why are they afraid to post samples of good analog against HD? Why are they afraid to have reviews of HD? Hmm???? Richard On Sunday, March 14, 2004, at 12:54 PM, Tom Ray wrote: > 5 of those people have a decent radio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 16:26:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16225 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 00:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 00:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 00:26:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 00:26:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:26:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1634 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.13 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > Let's see..... > > 250,000 persons quarter hour cume. > > 5 of those people have a decent radio. > > You do the math and see where the money should be spent..... Please, Tom. Must you stoop to the level of posting laughably exaggerated figures in order to justify the money and time WOR has spent implementing and supporting IBOC? If you think only a handful of people are listening to WOR on good- quality analog receivers, then the total amount of people listening on an IBOC receiver -- excluding WOR and iBiquity employees -- must surely be in the negative numbers. And if you think nobody is listening to WOR on "decent" analog radios, then why are the GE Superadio III and Sony SRF-42 featured on WOR's web site (at http://wor710.com/History/history.htm )? http://wor710.com/History/superradio.jpg http://wor710.com/History/walkman.jpg Also, since Visteon's new radios support both C-Quam AM Stereo and IBOC, then what would you consider them? Are these receivers "the future of AM radio" during the daytime, and "some crazy wideband radios" at night (or when tuned to any other signal besides WOR)? As another memeber here said, it is detrimental to your cause to spit in the face of people who support high-quality analog AM radio. These people believed in you a decade ago when the industry said AMAX was going to be the future of AM radio. So, what will happen a decade from now if IBOC turns out to be a flop? Will anybody who spent $500+ on an IBOC receiver also be "crazy" -- if AM radio is even still around at that point? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 16:55:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24971 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 00:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 00:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 00:55:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 00:55:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:55:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 563 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.13 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Sad thing is, if it WERE true , it really makes the success of HD > somewhat limited. "Good" radios are relatively cheap: the Superadio > for example. And people wouldn't even buy those? And the people who > actually DID buy good radios to hear AM better are labeled as nuts. And the C.Crane Co. must be making enough money off of these "nuts" in order to support a national advertising campaign, touting their overpriced CCRadio as "the best AM radio ever made". Where are the similar commercials promoting "HD Radio"? I have yet to see or hear any. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 23:29:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81800 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 07:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 07:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 07:29:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 07:29:23 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63259 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 01:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 01:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 01:58:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 01:58:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 01:58:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.127 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Mar 2004 07:29:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > Let's see..... > > 250,000 persons quarter hour cume. > > 5 of those people have a decent radio. > > You do the math and see where the money should be spent..... Mored like 5000, but nonetheless..... You just essentially wrote IBOC's epitaph, there-- Why would 250,000 people bother getting an IBOC receiver if only 5 would bother getting any "decent" radio? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 23:31:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83943 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 07:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 07:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 07:31:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 07:31:45 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26381 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 03:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 03:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 03:07:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 03:07:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 03:06:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c40a0b$c5332d40$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3914 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.127 Subject: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Mar 2004 07:31:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > They weren't doing anything about it BEFORE the Janet Jackson blow- up. What > makes you think that this has diverted their attention? If it had never > come along I suspect nothing would be different. And just what is so > puritanical about it? Lots of Democrats up on Capitol Hill are wearing > spiked shoes on this one too. I've never heard you say anything negative to > anyone on this list who has complained about Bubba the Love Sponge in the > past, so just what has changed? I wouldn't make the assumption of Democrats=Liberals, first off. Most aren't. I personaslly find both sides of the aisle in contempt of their Constitutional duties over a number of matters, not the LEAST of which, regulating media content, which is a direct, yet long- standing violation of the First Amendment. While I do feel the FCC has a right to license broadcasters and anyone else, I feel it's only for technical merit, and any regulation violates our nation's higthest laws. Government has no place to dictate what is decent, indecent, offensive or inoffensive, for to do so greatly restricts all its citicens the right to speak and express freely. The whole reason for the First Amendment in the first place is to grant protections to the Minority from the Majority, to prevent the restrictions of tyranny. And I don't CARE which "side of the aisle", BOTH are quite capable of tyrannical rule, and BOTH would be perfectly willing to exercise restriction on anything they see fit as "indecent" or "offensive" to suit their political, moral and religiousa whims. I am reminded of Voltaire: I may not agree with what you say, but to your death I will defend your right to say it. (Some more quotes from Voltaire are at: http://tinyurl.com/3achx ) What has this to do with broadcasting? Quite a bit. The FCC is a Congressional agency, and therefore, subject to the same restriction placed upon Congress by the First Amendment, which is that Congress is prevented from regulating free speech and expression, or abridging the free exercise thereof. Our Congresscritters- Rats, most of them- couldn't give a damn about that, as long as they believe they can legislate4 morality in society. Of course, these are the SAME congresscritters who handed Bush the right to wage war, which only Congress is allowed to do under the Constitution. I'm sorry, but a nation that flagrantly disregards its own fundemental laws is NOT the nation it proports to be. If you're elected to serve and protect the Constitution of the United States, I damn well better EXPECT you to do just that! This is why I'm as cheesed off as I am about the near-unanimous passage of the "Indecency Protection Act" or whatever they want to call it, as it demonstrates Congress' willingness to abreggate their duties they are sworn to uphold. This is no victory for America. Quite the opposite, really. We have done EXACTLY what the terrorists wanted us to do- Restrict our freedoms (which they find offensive) in the name of security, or rather a false sense of, but as Ben Franklin himself said: Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. We must be ever-vigilant of our rights, or we risk losing them. And most important of this, is our right to speech and expression. There are those who wish these rights gone by telling it's for "our (or the children's) protection". This is the tyranny our nation's Founding Fathers warned us of. Yes, I am a liberal- Liberal enough to believe that no matter how offensive I frind your words or actions, as long as they don't interfere with or restrict mine, I will defend to the last breath your right to do so. All this uproar over a 2/3-second boobflash. Get your damned priorities straight! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Mar 15 05:47:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60203 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 13:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 13:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 13:47:04 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11) id i2FDl3Zs050188 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 06:47:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002001c40a94$00106ad0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:47:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ wrote: > All this uproar over a 2/3-second boobflash. > > Get your damned priorities straight! > Let me get this straight... you don't think the government should have ANY control over content on our airwaves? Period? If I wanted to go on a tirade defaming women, using any language I so desire, I should be able to do so? How about making racial slurs using slang to define a particular group? Think about this... as a liberal: Do you really want to take away any accountability from Rush, Sean Hannity and G Gordon Liddy? Imagine how bad the right wingers would be if there were no limits on what they say (other than civil laws regarding slander). Are you suggesting that our local CBS affiliate should be able to show X Rated movies in prime time? From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 07:16:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93299 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 15:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 15:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14914.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.241) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 15:16:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20040315151642.4014.qmail@web14914.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web14914.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:16:42 PST Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:16:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.225.241 From: amstereoexp Subject: Fwd: Comment from The AM STEREO Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp > Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:57:04 -0500 > From: "Vasara, Karri A" > Subject: Comment from The AM STEREO Web Site > To: amstereoexp@yahoo.com > > Here is an AM Stereo station in Lakeland, FL > > 1230 WONN > > http://www.wonn.com/ > > Nice site! > > Mr. Karri A. Vasara > RF Hardware Engineer > Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control - Orlando > E-mail: karri.a.vasara@lmco.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Mar 15 07:21:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16058 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 15:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 15:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.52) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 15:21:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:21:28 -0800 Received: from 199.35.187.137 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:21:27 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:21:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2004 15:21:28.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FC6D9F0:01C40AA1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.52 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [199.35.187.137] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I have tried to stay out of this discussion, but I can no longer just sit by and let some of these comments stand without rebuttal. I believe that we as a nation have allowed the federal government entirely too much control over our daily lives. Be it through a misguided belief in "security" or "decency" or whatever, we have allowed the federal government to step in and regulate parts of our daily lives which I believe to be our own business and none of any governmental agency. We still have a choice as to what we listen to on the radio, or watch or television. We can turn the channel, pick another station or just turn the radio or television off. As to your question concerning x-rated shows in prime time, I personally would not watch them, but if a majority of people did want to watch them, then I think it should be allowed. We cannot let the federal government under the guise of "protecting our young" literally step into our homes and determine what we, as a supposedly free people, are allowed to watch, hear, discuss or even think about. No country has ever been destroyed from without except through at least passive support from within. If we continue on down this path we have started we will end up a freedom-less country ruled by a blanket of federal rules and regulations, all designed of course, with our best interest in mind, said best interest having been determined by faceless bureaucrats housed in windowless buildings in Washington. I truly believe that the less government we have, the better it is for the population as a whole. Rant off. Thanks for listening. MTGC (Michael) >From: "Jim Burgan" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:47:03 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net >Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.84]) by mc1-f4.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Mon, 15 Mar 2004 05:49:21 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar >2004 13:47:08 -0000 >Received: (qmail 60203 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 13:47:05 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >15 Mar 2004 13:47:05 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by >mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 13:47:04 -0000 >Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net >[68.76.221.134]) (authenticated)by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11) id >i2FDl3Zs050188 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 >06:47:04 -0700 (MST) >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+YDSEg8qKPPD >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-4085512-17095-1079358427-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: <002001c40a94$00106ad0$6501a8c0@jimspc> >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 >X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-17095-1079358427-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2004 13:49:21.0046 (UTC) >FILETIME=[51688B60:01C40A94] > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ wrote: > > All this uproar over a 2/3-second boobflash. > > > > Get your damned priorities straight! > > > >Let me get this straight... you don't think the government should have ANY >control over content on our airwaves? Period? >If I wanted to go on a tirade defaming women, using any language I so >desire, I should be able to do so? >How about making racial slurs using slang to define a particular group? >Think about this... as a liberal: Do you really want to take away any >accountability from Rush, Sean Hannity and G Gordon Liddy? Imagine how bad >the right wingers would be if there were no limits on what they say (other >than civil laws regarding slander). >Are you suggesting that our local CBS affiliate should be able to show X >Rated movies in prime time? > _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as $29.95/month. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Mar 15 07:47:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16162 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 15:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 15:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.58) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 15:47:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:47:36 -0800 Received: from 199.35.187.137 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:47:35 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:47:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2004 15:47:36.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6732080:01C40AA4] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.58 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [199.35.187.137] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Well said Ms. Mousie!! MTGC (Michael) >From: "Amy Mousie" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 03:06:59 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.127 >X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com >Received: from n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.82]) by >mc1-f16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Sun, 14 Mar 2004 >23:32:43 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar >2004 07:31:46 -0000 >Received: (qmail 83943 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 07:31:45 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >15 Mar 2004 07:31:45 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by >mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 07:31:45 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar >2004 07:31:45 -0000 >Received: (qmail 26381 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 03:07:01 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >15 Mar 2004 03:07:01 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by >mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 03:07:03 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar >2004 03:07:00 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jG/XjEwHrK4wAnatkFe5UZ6 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-4085512-17094-1079335906-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: >In-Reply-To: <001501c40a0b$c5332d40$827dfea9@home1> >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 >X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie >X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Mar >2004 07:31:44 -0000 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-17094-1079335906-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2004 07:32:43.0828 (UTC) >FILETIME=[B46AB740:01C40A5F] > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > They weren't doing anything about it BEFORE the Janet Jackson blow- >up. What > > makes you think that this has diverted their attention? If it had >never > > come along I suspect nothing would be different. And just what is >so > > puritanical about it? Lots of Democrats up on Capitol Hill are >wearing > > spiked shoes on this one too. I've never heard you say anything >negative to > > anyone on this list who has complained about Bubba the Love Sponge >in the > > past, so just what has changed? > >I wouldn't make the assumption of Democrats=Liberals, first off. Most >aren't. I personaslly find both sides of the aisle in contempt of >their Constitutional duties over a number of matters, not the LEAST >of which, regulating media content, which is a direct, yet long- >standing violation of the First Amendment. While I do feel the FCC >has a right to license broadcasters and anyone else, I feel it's only >for technical merit, and any regulation violates our nation's >higthest laws. Government has no place to dictate what is decent, >indecent, offensive or inoffensive, for to do so greatly restricts >all its citicens the right to speak and express freely. > >The whole reason for the First Amendment in the first place is to >grant protections to the Minority from the Majority, to prevent the >restrictions of tyranny. And I don't CARE which "side of the aisle", >BOTH are quite capable of tyrannical rule, and BOTH would be >perfectly willing to exercise restriction on anything they see fit >as "indecent" or "offensive" to suit their political, moral and >religiousa whims. > >I am reminded of Voltaire: I may not agree with what you say, but to >your death I will defend your right to say it. > >(Some more quotes from Voltaire are at: http://tinyurl.com/3achx ) > >What has this to do with broadcasting? Quite a bit. The FCC is a >Congressional agency, and therefore, subject to the same restriction >placed upon Congress by the First Amendment, which is that Congress >is prevented from regulating free speech and expression, or abridging >the free exercise thereof. > >Our Congresscritters- Rats, most of them- couldn't give a damn about >that, as long as they believe they can legislate4 morality in >society. Of course, these are the SAME congresscritters who handed >Bush the right to wage war, which only Congress is allowed to do >under the Constitution. > >I'm sorry, but a nation that flagrantly disregards its own >fundemental laws is NOT the nation it proports to be. > >If you're elected to serve and protect the Constitution of the United >States, I damn well better EXPECT you to do just that! > >This is why I'm as cheesed off as I am about the near-unanimous >passage of the "Indecency Protection Act" or whatever they want to >call it, as it demonstrates Congress' willingness to abreggate their >duties they are sworn to uphold. This is no victory for America. >Quite the opposite, really. > >We have done EXACTLY what the terrorists wanted us to do- Restrict >our freedoms (which they find offensive) in the name of security, or >rather a false sense of, but as Ben Franklin himself said: Those who >would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary >Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. > >We must be ever-vigilant of our rights, or we risk losing them. And >most important of this, is our right to speech and expression. There >are those who wish these rights gone by telling it's for "our (or the >children's) protection". This is the tyranny our nation's Founding >Fathers warned us of. > >Yes, I am a liberal- Liberal enough to believe that no matter how >offensive I frind your words or actions, as long as they don't >interfere with or restrict mine, I will defend to the last breath >your right to do so. > >All this uproar over a 2/3-second boobflash. > >Get your damned priorities straight! > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > _________________________________________________________________ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar – includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Mar 15 08:19:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74614 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 16:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 16:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 16:19:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 16:19:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:19:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1423 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > Let's see..... > > 250,000 persons quarter hour cume. > > 5 of those people have a decent radio. > > You do the math and see where the money should be spent..... > > > Tom Ray > WOR You could spend it on airtime suggesting they buy a decent radio. The Superadio III is a heckuva lot cheaper than any HD Radio coming on the market in the next several years, and based on the WAV files online, sounds a heckuva lot better. I dunno, Tom, from my seat it looks like WOR just wasted a big ol' wad of money. HD certainly isn't going to *help* WOR's ratings any--by your own example, it reduces your quarter hour cume from 250,000 to 249,995. It hasn't increased billing. It hasn't improved programming, community involvement, the regulatory environment, the war on terror, or anything else. It's forced you and your crew to do an awful lot of extra work, and to endure nonstop abuse heaped upon your efforts by folks like us. It has degraded the noise floor of your analog signal and increased interference to your neighbors on the dial. And based on what? A belief that you have listeners willing to shell out $500 (or even $50) just to listen to WOR in dial-up-internet-stream-quality? Even if we accept that HD Radio is an improvement over analog AM, how is spending money on it a defensible move from an economic standpoint? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 08:38:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92822 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 16:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 16:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 16:38:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 16:38:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:38:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001c40a94$00106ad0$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 763 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: OT: government regulation of the airwaves X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Let me get this straight... you don't think the government should > have ANY control over content on our airwaves? Period? Well, I say, since the airwaves are supposedly owned by the public, then why not let the people decide what is proper or improper to be broadcast? These days, the greatest backlash a broadcaster or radio/TV personality can face is not a government fine, but rather the loss of listeners/viewers and advertisers. If Clear Channel or Infinity or whoever gets fined by the FCC, that's just another number in their bank account. But if they start losing ratings and ad dollars because people don't like a particular program, that will cause a quicker and more effective reaction than anything the government could impose on them. From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Mar 15 09:06:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84846 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 17:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 17:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 17:06:00 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11) id i2FH5vtK094618 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:05:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001001c40aaf$c98bbf70$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:05:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: government regulation of the airwaves X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > Let me get this straight... you don't think the government should > > have ANY control over content on our airwaves? Period? > > Well, I say, since the airwaves are supposedly owned by the public, > then why not let the people decide what is proper or improper to be > broadcast? These days, the greatest backlash a broadcaster or > radio/TV personality can face is not a government fine, but rather > the loss of listeners/viewers and advertisers. That's exactly what he Supreme Court did 13 years ago when it decided to let each individual community define the standard of decency. It resulted in today's decency chaos. Believe me, there is not one person on AMSF who is more outspoken about government regulations than me. I just try to keep my views attached to the proper forum, and the AM Stereo Forum is not a political group, therefore my earlier post today is only the second or third time I have spoken politically on this forum. The problem is, people are screaming out of both sides of their mouth. Many who are yelling for more government regulation of the business side of broadcasting, screaming for tougher regulations on ownership for Clear Channel, Infinity, Cumulus and Cox as "Evil Corporations" are the same ones yelling for deregulation of content and the end of censorship.. I have been consistently opposed to government regulations of any kind. If we did as you suggest and 'let the people decide', you will find poll after poll suggesting that the overwhelming percentage of people in the USA do not want the 'public airwaves' trashed up with Stern, Opie & Anthony, Buba etc. Even the most liberal in congress are in favor of setting tough decency rules for the public airwaves, because that is what the majority of Americans want. There were more calls protesting Janet's "2/3-second boobflash" than all of the calls supporting Janet, Howard, Bubba, O&A, John Boy & Billy, Bob & Tom combined. The overwhelming majority of the people in the USA WANT strong standards of decency set by government. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 10:58:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81871 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 18:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 18:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 18:58:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 18:57:45 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3206 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 17:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 17:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 17:56:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 17:56:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:56:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001c40a94$00106ad0$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3007 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.220 Subject: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Mar 2004 18:57:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ wrote: > > All this uproar over a 2/3-second boobflash. > > > > Get your damned priorities straight! > > > > Let me get this straight... you don't think the government should have ANY > control over content on our airwaves? Period? What part of the First Amendment says "EXCEPT FOR"? To refresh your memory, here is the ENTIRE content of Amendment I of the Bill of Rights to the Constitution of the United States of America: Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. And since the FCC is by extension an Act of Congress, it's subject to the very restrictions placed upon it by this Amendment: They have no legal authorization to regulate content whatsoever. > If I wanted to go on a tirade defaming women, using any language I so > desire, I should be able to do so? Yes. I may disagree vehemently, but yes. > How about making racial slurs using slang to define a particular group? The public discourse must remain unfettered for any effective democracy. (And yes, I understand and loathe hate speech- Having heritages of both German and French, I understand the shame and humility of both sides. But unless it's part of a criminal act irrespective of the expression, I will defend the right to say it. A free democracy DEMANDS that.) > Think about this... as a liberal: Do you really want to take away any > accountability from Rush, Sean Hannity and G Gordon Liddy? Imagine how bad > the right wingers would be if there were no limits on what they say (other > than civil laws regarding slander). All rights come with the responsibility of consequence. This does NOT mean to censor in order to shirk the responsibility of consequence. In fact, the mere fact that such rights granted leave them unfettered to speak as they please, it means equally the right of the opposition to redress and rebutt what is said. Again, a free democracy DEMANDS it. > Are you suggesting that our local CBS affiliate should be able to show X > Rated movies in prime time? In some countries- ones that DON'T take their rights for granted- they already do. There have been far more bare boobs and buns on TV that Ms. Jackson's 17 frames of piearced nipple over the years, and none have caused such an uproar such as this. Not even in "Roots" which had bare breasts MINUTES at a time, and just as black as Ms. Jackson's, plus there have been TV movies with early colonial island life and plenty of bare chests. And what of the National Geographic specials?? Where do we draw the line? We can't. In order for any society to be free, it must be allowed to express freely and risk the consequences, or it cannot be free at all. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From krichards@wor710.com Mon Mar 15 11:11:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8946 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 19:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 19:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 19:11:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 19:10:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:10:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5040 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 141.155.153.214 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 I have no idea where you get your ideas ... But, WOR has sold tens of thousands of Bose Wave Radios and CC Radios. In fact any advertiser who wants to sell radios has come to WOR, we have a perfect upscale demo for radio sales. I'm sure when HD radios are ready to be marketed WOR will play an important role, since we have a proven track record. Now as for wideband radios or problem radios with HD, I am the guy that gets the complaints here at WOR, we have had very few. I am speaking from experience on this matter. Most folks who have a tunable radio find by re tuning the problem is solved. What's surprising to me is the fact that some folks have left their radios tuned to WOR for years. When we explain to them they have retune, they admit they never touch that....strange. On the several wideband radio complaints we have had, we have found that the majority of the radios may recieve some hiss, but usually it is not that loud, and then it becomes a matter of how loud it is... most times this issue is resolved throwing the radio in the DX mode or the narrow mode. Then there are the nuts out there, the ones who complain on message boards, here, and elsewhere. These crazies also send us porno emails, and other junk, and call here simply to complain. They cannot and will not be satisfied under any circumstance. Recently some nut complained about our IBOC Hiss on his radio especially when it gets louder at 8PM every nite on his radios, (all of them in his house and cars). The problem here is that we shut off the IBOC at 6PM each nite. This nut still complains and stirs up other crazies who make the same complaints or worse. Like the nut who called me last week to tell me WOR was interfering with WLW all night long. When I explained to him, WOR does not broadcast HD Radio at nite, he told me it was something else we must be doing.... Then there are the semi-pro crazies on the fringes of this business, these are the guys who want us to send them an HD Radio to try out. Some of these nuts are in places like Arizona, where there are no HD stations yet, and are way out of our market. Yet, they persist, it is up to us to send these so called self proclaimed experts a radio to try out, and validate the HD system. Why not call Ibiquity? What does WOR have to do with HD radio out of our market? Do you see Sears or other retailers giving away HDTVs for people to try? Do you see Sirius of XM giving away sat. radios for testing purposes to the general public? How would you deal with nuts like this? What we have done is open ourselves to tours and demos of the radios here in our studio complex, and at our transmitter, we have also hosted several SBE meetings on the subject, on our own. We are not paid employees of Ibiquity, but we did this to satisfy the curious out there. If anyone wants to try an HD Radio, I suggest you go out and buy one. If it is too expensive, then you'll have to wait until a cheaper model comes out. That's the practical response. Look, I drive a Hummer H-2, it has no HD Radio, and I'll probably wait a long time until I get one I like and at a price I like. In the meantime I listen to WOR in the analog mode. I'll chalk up your other comments to the fact you may not have had your hands on an HD Radio yet... We do not have to tell our listeners what radio to use, since our signal is compatible with most radios out there. And if you think there was some expense that WOR will incur by transmitting HD, the opposite is true. Once the radios start to proliferate we will be there and on air, as we are now for the Kenwood radios out there. We have received numerous calls and emails about the performance of these new radios. All Good. We hear KNX has ordered an exciter and will be going HD soon. Kerry > You could spend it on airtime suggesting they buy a decent radio. The Superadio III is > a heckuva lot cheaper than any HD Radio coming on the market in the next several > years, and based on the WAV files online, sounds a heckuva lot better. > > I dunno, Tom, from my seat it looks like WOR just wasted a big ol' wad of money. HD > certainly isn't going to *help* WOR's ratings any--by your own example, it reduces > your quarter hour cume from 250,000 to 249,995. It hasn't increased billing. It > hasn't improved programming, community involvement, the regulatory environment, > the war on terror, or anything else. It's forced you and your crew to do an awful lot of > extra work, and to endure nonstop abuse heaped upon your efforts by folks like us. It > has degraded the noise floor of your analog signal and increased interference to your > neighbors on the dial. And based on what? A belief that you have listeners willing to > shell out $500 (or even $50) just to listen to WOR in dial-up- internet-stream-quality? > > Even if we accept that HD Radio is an improvement over analog AM, how is spending > money on it a defensible move from an economic standpoint? From castellano105@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 12:25:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59205 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 20:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 20:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60210.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 20:25:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20040315202546.96881.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.69.10.62] by web60210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:25:46 PST Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:25:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.105 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 All new technology that comes ou is 98% expensive,Remember DVD Players when they first came out? Very expensive where they not? Now you can buy a good one under $200. dollars. The first Radios that were sold to the public back when Marcony Invented Radio Where very expencive for the average Guy to Buy. --- narkspud wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" > wrote: > > Let's see..... > > > > 250,000 persons quarter hour cume. > > > > 5 of those people have a decent radio. > > > > You do the math and see where the money should be > spent..... > > > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > You could spend it on airtime suggesting they buy a > decent radio. The Superadio III is > a heckuva lot cheaper than any HD Radio coming on > the market in the next several > years, and based on the WAV files online, sounds a > heckuva lot better. > > I dunno, Tom, from my seat it looks like WOR just > wasted a big ol' wad of money. HD > certainly isn't going to *help* WOR's ratings > any--by your own example, it reduces > your quarter hour cume from 250,000 to 249,995. It > hasn't increased billing. It > hasn't improved programming, community involvement, > the regulatory environment, > the war on terror, or anything else. It's forced > you and your crew to do an awful lot of > extra work, and to endure nonstop abuse heaped upon > your efforts by folks like us. It > has degraded the noise floor of your analog signal > and increased interference to your > neighbors on the dial. And based on what? A belief > that you have listeners willing to > shell out $500 (or even $50) just to listen to WOR > in dial-up-internet-stream-quality? > > Even if we accept that HD Radio is an improvement > over analog AM, how is spending > money on it a defensible move from an economic > standpoint? > > ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From krichards@wor710.com Mon Mar 15 12:49:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62141 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 20:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 20:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 20:49:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 20:48:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:48:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040315202546.96881.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 450 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 141.155.153.214 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Exactly and to the point... Kerry.. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Francisco Guzman wrote: > All new technology that comes ou is 98% > expensive,Remember DVD Players when they first came > out? Very expensive where they not? Now you can buy a > good one under $200. dollars. The first Radios that > were sold to the public back when Marcony Invented > Radio Where very expencive for the average Guy to > Buy. >.com From w6yn@juno.com Mon Mar 15 12:54:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17141 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 20:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 20:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 20:54:12 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCR8vZi2n5AI45fFTolozfQI=">; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:54:00 PST Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JQSTV5VE; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:54:00 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:52:50 -0800 Message-ID: <20040315.125251.1220.2.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-14 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn In the Los Angeles new market DVD players are $40 & up and VCRs are $50 & up. What a country! 73, Don On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:25:46 -0800 (PST) Francisco Guzman writes: > All new technology that comes ou is 98% > expensive,Remember DVD Players when they first came > out? Very expensive where they not? Now you can buy a > good one under $200. dollars. The first Radios that > were sold to the public back when Marcony Invented > Radio Where very expencive for the average Guy to > Buy. From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Mar 15 13:40:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31055 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 21:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 21:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 21:40:19 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040315214019.SXCL24651.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:40:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:40:17 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5A0CB680-76C9-11D8-9D6E-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.244 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The engineer I spoke with said a while back that it was on its way. I assume that it was delayed for whatever reason, but I believe they are ready to go soon. Richard On Monday, March 15, 2004, at 11:10 AM, Kerry Richards wrote: > We hear KNX has ordered an exciter and will be going HD soon. > > Kerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Mar 15 14:36:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84763 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 22:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 22:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 22:36:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 22:36:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:36:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 61 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.21.77 Subject: OT: Anyone got one of these ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Convertable for AMS I wonder ?! :- http://tinyurl.com/3hatf From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 16:22:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 99161 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 00:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 00:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 00:22:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 00:21:40 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54033 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 18:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 18:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 18:57:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 18:56:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:56:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c40aaf$c98bbf70$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3751 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.220 Subject: Re: OT: government regulation of the airwaves X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Mar 2004 00:21:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > > > Let me get this straight... you don't think the government should > > > have ANY control over content on our airwaves? Period? > > > > Well, I say, since the airwaves are supposedly owned by the public, > > then why not let the people decide what is proper or improper to be > > broadcast? These days, the greatest backlash a broadcaster or > > radio/TV personality can face is not a government fine, but rather > > the loss of listeners/viewers and advertisers. > > That's exactly what he Supreme Court did 13 years ago when it decided to let > each individual community define the standard of decency. As it should- Government has no place to dictate what is acceptable or not. > It resulted in today's decency chaos. Not really. It goes back MUCH further than that. > Believe me, there is not one person on AMSF who is more outspoken about > government regulations than me. > I just try to keep my views attached to the proper forum, and the AM Stereo > Forum is not a political group, therefore my earlier post today is only the > second or third time I have spoken politically on this forum. I also rarely squeek out politically, but there are times it's necessary. I think that becausae the moderator has allowed this to go on as it has that this IS a time where it's necessary to discuss this. If we don't, I think, then we're as guilty as those who do want to censor media in America. Yes, this forum has to do with AM stereo- I think most of us now thing AMS is a pretty dead issue, today, but what we ARE talking about is media regulation, which does affect AM stereo radio, whether we like it or not. > The problem is, people are screaming out of both sides of their mouth. > Many who are yelling for more government regulation of the business side of > broadcasting, screaming for tougher regulations on ownership for Clear > Channel, Infinity, Cumulus and Cox as "Evil Corporations" are the same ones > yelling for deregulation of content and the end of censorship.. I, and the courts, have already understood the difference between commercial content and editorial content. The former, an act of trade, is every bit regulatable as such. The latter is NOT an act of trade, even though it's paid for in the form of advertizing, and thus is not restricted by the necessary restrictions on trade and commerce. > I have been consistently opposed to government regulations of any kind. Which is a normally Libertarian stance. > If we did as you suggest and 'let the people decide', you will find poll > after poll suggesting that the overwhelming percentage of people in the USA > do not want the 'public airwaves' trashed up with Stern, Opie & Anthony, Tell that to the ratings gurus! > Buba etc. Even the most liberal in congress are in favor of setting tough > decency rules for the public airwaves, because that is what the majority of > Americans want. For one, most of the Democrats aren't even Liberal. For another, this nation's legal system is neither a "Majority rule" nor "Minority rule", but a rule of law that balances the rigthts of one from the other, and protects the same. If there is a "Majority rule" OR "Minority rule", it becomes a rule of TYRANNY, which BOTH sides are immensely capable of. I think most forget that. Our Founding Fathers didn't! > There were more calls protesting Janet's "2/3-second boobflash" than all of > the calls supporting Janet, Howard, Bubba, O&A, John Boy & Billy, Bob & Tom > combined. The overwhelming majority of the people in the USA WANT strong > standards of decency set by government. No, just those who are yelling the loudest. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Mar 15 16:37:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8036 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 00:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 00:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 00:37:07 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11) id i2G0b5lK089809 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:37:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000801c40aee$cfa5cba0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:37:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > Where do we draw the line? > > We can't. > > In order for any society to be free, it must be allowed to express > freely and risk the consequences, or it cannot be free at all. Your answer suprised me because my next question would have been 'where do we draw the line". The answer is, if there IS a line to be drawn then we do not truly have fee speech. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Mar 15 16:44:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18276 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 00:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 00:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 00:44:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:43:42 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:43:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:43:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2004 00:43:42.0004 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAC34F40:01C40AEF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.55 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Fwd: Comment from The AM STEREO Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Kevin, I'm not sure where the person lives that made the post about WONN - 1230, Lakeland, FL lives, but I will check to see if they have resumed broadcasting in stereo. Dick Wheeler from Tampa noticed last year (around this time of year) that WONN had reintroduced their tags indicating they were in am stereo, so I went to Lakeland to see and they were still in mono, but that hasn't kept them from putting up billboards saying they are am stereo. WONN had been stereo until around 2000, it would be great if they have actually resumed stereo broadcasting. FYI Lakeland is about 15 miles north of Bartow, where a real am stereo station is located. (WWBF - am stereo) and Jeff Thornberg from WWBF 1130 stereo did let me know in September that WONN had put up billboards indicating they were in stereo, even though they weren't. Donn in am-stereo free St Petersburg amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Fwd: Comment from The AM STEREO Web Site Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 > Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:57:04 -0500 > From: "Vasara, Karri A" > Subject: Comment from The AM STEREO Web Site > To: amstereoexp@yahoo.com > > Here is an AM Stereo station in Lakeland, FL > > 1230 WONN > > http://www.wonn.com/ > > Nice site! _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks & Scams. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/techsafety.armx From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 16:44:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21785 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 00:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 00:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 00:44:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 00:44:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:44:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 447 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.3 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > We have received numerous calls and emails about the performance of > these new radios. All Good. Well, since you previously claimed that only "one or two" listeners had ever complained about WOR's IBOC signal, but have now backtracked on that, how are we to believe this claim? > We hear KNX has ordered an exciter and will be going HD soon. I guess 1050 KMAP, 1060 KTNS, 1080 KSCO, and 1090 XEPRS are in for an unpleasant surprise.... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 16:56:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22478 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 00:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 00:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 00:56:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 00:56:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:56:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040315202546.96881.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 518 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.3 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The first Radios that were sold to the public back when Marcony > Invented Radio Where very expencive for the average Guy to Buy. Ummm, not really. In the very early days, most people built their own radios with a few dollars' worth of parts. True, when pre-built AC-powered receivers became common, there were grandiose console radio/phonographs which cost almost as much as a new car, but that was the very high end of the marketplace. The average radio was quite affordable, even in the Depression era. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 18:19:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53906 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 02:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 02:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 02:19:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 02:19:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 02:19:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 698 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.3 Subject: Fwd: Is KXNT (Las Vegas) running IBOC at night? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the Radio-Tech mailing list... I do believe KXNT is conducting nighttime IBOC tests, so thus their adjacent channels shall suffer... Subj: [RT] Is KXNT (Las Vegas) running IBOC at night? From: Hershberger, Dave Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:36:33 -0500 I'm hearing hiss on our local AM's USB at night on 830 kHz. I see that KXNT (840 kHz) is supposedly running IBOC. Often, at night, after 10 PM, I'll hear hiss on 830's USB, and KOA 850's LSB. KXNT is supposed to have a null in our direction but it might not be very deep at the IBOC sidebands. Does anybody know if KXNT is running nighttime IBOC experiments? Dave Hershberger Principal Engineer AXCERA dhershberger@axcera.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 18:23:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90586 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 02:23:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 02:23:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 02:23:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 02:23:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 02:23:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 371 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.3 Subject: Re: Fwd: Is KXNT (Las Vegas) running IBOC at night? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Okay, as posted to Radio-Tech, here is the reply from KXNT's engineer: We were last week, Ibiquity was seeking data for the NRSC, but at this point the STA has expired, and they haven't asked me to renew it. They may try again during NAB. Tracy Teagarden Chief Engineer Infinity Broadcasting 6655 W. Sahara Ave. Suite D110 Las Vegas, NV 89146 tteagarden@cbs.com From krichards@wor710.com Mon Mar 15 18:34:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32784 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 02:34:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 02:34:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 02:34:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 02:34:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 02:34:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 656 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Unable to make a snappy reply this time, so you go for the insults... Who cares what you think? Kerry.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > We have received numerous calls and emails about the performance of > > these new radios. All Good. > > Well, since you previously claimed that only "one or two" listeners > had ever complained about WOR's IBOC signal, but have now backtracked > on that, how are we to believe this claim? > > > We hear KNX has ordered an exciter and will be going HD soon. > > I guess 1050 KMAP, 1060 KTNS, 1080 KSCO, and 1090 XEPRS are in for an > unpleasant surprise.... From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Mar 15 18:40:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34583 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 02:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 02:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 02:40:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 02:40:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 02:40:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3884 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > I have no idea where you get your ideas ... Which ideas? Would you care to rebut them specifically, or are you just gong to cast aspersions on my thought processes in general? In case I wasn't clear before, Tom made the point that C-QUAM AM Stereo made less economic sense than HD Radio. I made the point that HD radio makes even less economic sense than C-QUAM does, and at some detriment to your current listeners. Clearly there is something to be said about being on the cutting edge of something. But not in economic terms. Not this early in the going. You have put a great deal of money and time into an unproven system that no one can use yet. Sometimes this strategy pays off in the long run. Other times (like the CBS color TV system) it turns out to be a costly mistake. My assessment of the situation is that it's likely to be the latter. Your mileage may vary. > But, WOR has sold tens of thousands of Bose Wave Radios and CC > Radios. I'm sure when HD > radios are ready to be marketed WOR will play an important role, > since we have a proven track record. Undoubtedly. But it will be a harder sell. Without going into the merits (or lack thereof) of the Bose and CC products, there is a fundamental difference between them and the HD Radio. The Bose and CC deliver their benefits across the band, while the HD Radio only offers a difference on stations that transmit HD. You're asking consumers to shell out major bucks to hear improved sound on only a couple stations. A much harder sell, especally when at least some people who hear HD don't consider it an improvement. (Well, perhaps they will if they've been listening to a CC Radio all this time, but I digress.) > On the several wideband radio complaints we have had, we have found > that the majority of the radios may recieve some hiss, but usually it > is not that loud, and then it becomes a matter of how loud it is... > most times this issue is resolved throwing the radio in the DX mode > or the narrow mode. No argument on this point--See my posts from the past week. I've said exactly the same thing. I guess we just disagree about whether the act of deliberately reducing frequency response by half can be considered "resolving" anything. > Recently some nut > complained about our IBOC Hiss But this does not discredit the arguments of the reasonable folks who also object to the hiss and interference, as experienced during the day. > How would you deal with nuts like this? Well, when they first approached me I would assume that they are intelligent, reasonable listeners with a legitimate complaint, then deal with the situation if it proves otherwise. I don't expect WOR to do a thing for me out here in California. You have gone beyond the call of duty posting the WAV files for everyone to audition. I really appreciate it. But I would be lying if I said they sounded good to me. In fact, they're shrill enough that I would not wish to listen to them in any environment, including in the car. My opinion. I have not heard a genuine HD Radio in person yet, and am looking forward to doing so. I've tried to remember to make clear that my impressions of the HD sound quality are based on the WAV's on the website, not a real world audition. If the real world radio sounds better than the WAV files, I give you my word that I'll say so on this forum, in no uncertain terms. > We hear KNX has ordered an exciter and will be going HD soon. I've heard the same. This will force a change of my listening habits, since my main listening rig at home is a TX-11a--The HD hiss on it is objectionable even at narrow bandwidth. I'll either make do, switch radios, or just listen to KFWB. But it is an inconvenience. Sorry if that makes me a nut. From bratina501@msn.com Mon Mar 15 19:07:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95383 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 03:07:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 03:07:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 03:07:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 03:06:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 03:06:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 304 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.49 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I guess 1050 KMAP, 1060 KTNS, 1080 KSCO, and 1090 XEPRS are in for an > unpleasant surprise.... Oh well when KNX gets the HD Radio exciter up and running I will no longer be able to get CKMX 1060 at night like I can now. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 19:54:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26963 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 03:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 03:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 03:54:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 03:54:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 03:54:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3243 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.3 Subject: Re: IBOC = Metric radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The Bose and CC deliver their benefits across the band, while the > HD Radio only offers a difference on stations that transmit HD. > You're asking consumers to shell out major bucks to hear improved > sound on only a couple stations. A much harder sell, especally > when at least some people who hear HD don't consider it an > improvement. That is a very good point. There is a lot of hype behind "HD Radio", but let's look at the facts. Joe Schmo can walk into Sears and buy a GE Superadio III for $49.99, and compared to an average AM radio, it will make every station on the entire band, day and night, sound better and come in more clearly and consistently. Joe can even enjoy near-hi-fi sound from any local analog signals in Wideband mode, day and night. But now, Mr. Schmo also has the option of purchasing a fancy new "HD Radio". He'll have to do quite a bit of searching around, and if he does find a store selling Kenwood's IBOC tuner, the complete setup will cost around $500 and will only work in his car. And on AM, it will only have any advantage for at most _one_ station which might be using IBOC in his area (two, if he lives in LA). For every other signal on the band, the extra $350 spent on the IBOC tuner will be wasted -- in fact, it may even be detrimental compared to if he hadn't bought it, as the IBOC tuner enforces a strict 5 kHz cut-off on AM analog audio, and as IBOC tuners aren't optimized for analog reception, some weak/distant signals may be lost. Furthermore, even that lone IBOC station will only have any benefit during daytime hours. Come sunset or 6:00 PM, whichever is later, that IBOC digital audio will be lost, and it'll be back to 5 kHz analog mono. Speaking of which, especially in the wintertime, there are a lot of people who don't finish work until well after sunset. That means they'll only get to hear that one IBOC station in digital mode during their morning commute -- by the time they hop in the car and drive home, it's past sunset and the IBOC game is over. I guess then the old blonde joke will come true -- AM radio will only work during the morning (AM) hours! And as for "your mileage may vary", what about kilometerage? Lots of people were all gung-ho about the USA switching to the Metric system, and surely very similar kinds of arguments were waged between the Metric supporters and the U.S. Customary System "nuts". Well, a quarter-century later, we're all still waiting for this Metric conversion to take place! Meanwhile, it's silly to hear border stations like CFCO give out temperatures in both Celsius and Fahrenheit, especially during winter when the Celsius reading is often counter-intuitively negative. Also, I've never understood why despite the fact that Metric system supporters like everything nice and evenly divisible by 10, all the Metric-using countries decided to switch their AM band to numerically awkward 9 kHz channel spacing! (Yeah, I know it lets them pack more stations on the dial-- but still, it's an inelegant way of allocating things. A frequency ID in 9 kHz channel spacing takes up to six syllables to say, while a 10 kHz channel spacing frequency ID can be done in as little as two.) From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 20:16:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74316 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 04:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 04:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 04:16:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20040316041630.22688.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.202] by web41203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:16:30 PST Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:16:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1079409276.2154.26973.m14@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.36 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes youre right Jim I would join a political group if I wanted emails about other peoples personal views on politics.Most of us on whatever AM$ list would like to hear about AM Stereo/radio related generally amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote:Message: 7 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:05:56 -0500 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: Re: OT: government regulation of the airwaves I just try to keep my views attached to the proper forum, and the AM Stereo Forum is not a political group, therefore my earlier post today is only the second or third time I have spoken politically on this forum. === message truncated === Michael&Ross Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From castellano105@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 20:21:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13014 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 04:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 04:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 04:21:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20040316042147.20931.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.30.161.96] by web60207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:21:47 PST Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:21:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.102 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC = Metric radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Look if HD tackes off Any FM and AM Analog Station that dosnot go HD will not be able to competed for the money of commercial sponcers and record companies to preview their product on their Station. No money no Station that is economics. --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > The Bose and CC deliver their benefits across the > band, while the > > HD Radio only offers a difference on stations that > transmit HD. > > You're asking consumers to shell out major bucks > to hear improved > > sound on only a couple stations. A much harder > sell, especally > > when at least some people who hear HD don't > consider it an > > improvement. > > That is a very good point. There is a lot of hype > behind "HD Radio", > but let's look at the facts. Joe Schmo can walk > into Sears and buy a > GE Superadio III for $49.99, and compared to an > average AM radio, it > will make every station on the entire band, day and > night, sound > better and come in more clearly and consistently. > Joe can even enjoy > near-hi-fi sound from any local analog signals in > Wideband mode, day > and night. > > But now, Mr. Schmo also has the option of purchasing > a fancy new > "HD Radio". He'll have to do quite a bit of > searching around, and if > he does find a store selling Kenwood's IBOC tuner, > the complete setup > will cost around $500 and will only work in his car. > And on AM, it > will only have any advantage for at most _one_ > station which might be > using IBOC in his area (two, if he lives in LA). > > For every other signal on the band, the extra $350 > spent on the IBOC > tuner will be wasted -- in fact, it may even be > detrimental compared > to if he hadn't bought it, as the IBOC tuner > enforces a strict 5 kHz > cut-off on AM analog audio, and as IBOC tuners > aren't optimized for > analog reception, some weak/distant signals may be > lost. Furthermore, > even that lone IBOC station will only have any > benefit during daytime > hours. Come sunset or 6:00 PM, whichever is later, > that IBOC digital > audio will be lost, and it'll be back to 5 kHz > analog mono. > > Speaking of which, especially in the wintertime, > there are a lot of > people who don't finish work until well after > sunset. That means > they'll only get to hear that one IBOC station in > digital mode during > their morning commute -- by the time they hop in the > car and drive > home, it's past sunset and the IBOC game is over. I > guess then the > old blonde joke will come true -- AM radio will only > work during the > morning (AM) hours! > > And as for "your mileage may vary", what about > kilometerage? Lots > of people were all gung-ho about the USA switching > to the Metric > system, and surely very similar kinds of arguments > were waged > between the Metric supporters and the U.S. Customary > System "nuts". > Well, a quarter-century later, we're all still > waiting for this > Metric conversion to take place! Meanwhile, it's > silly to hear > border stations like CFCO give out temperatures in > both Celsius and > Fahrenheit, especially during winter when the > Celsius reading is > often counter-intuitively negative. > > Also, I've never understood why despite the fact > that Metric system > supporters like everything nice and evenly divisible > by 10, all the > Metric-using countries decided to switch their AM > band to numerically > awkward 9 kHz channel spacing! (Yeah, I know it > lets them pack more > stations on the dial-- but still, it's an inelegant > way of allocating > things. A frequency ID in 9 kHz channel spacing > takes up to six > syllables to say, while a 10 kHz channel spacing > frequency ID can be > done in as little as two.) > > > ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 23:01:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74023 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 07:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 07:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 07:01:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 07:00:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:59:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 315 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: AmyMousie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key no, I don't have one of her listening to Radio Disney on my SRF-42... :( From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 23:05:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36970 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 07:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 07:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 07:05:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 07:04:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:04:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1995 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > Let's see..... > > > > 250,000 persons quarter hour cume. > > > > 5 of those people have a decent radio. > > > > You do the math and see where the money should be spent..... > > > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > You could spend it on airtime suggesting they buy a decent radio. The Superadio III is > a heckuva lot cheaper than any HD Radio coming on the market in the next several > years, and based on the WAV files online, sounds a heckuva lot better. > > I dunno, Tom, from my seat it looks like WOR just wasted a big ol' wad of money. HD > certainly isn't going to *help* WOR's ratings any--by your own example, it reduces > your quarter hour cume from 250,000 to 249,995. It hasn't increased billing. It > hasn't improved programming, community involvement, the regulatory environment, > the war on terror, or anything else. It's forced you and your crew to do an awful lot of > extra work, and to endure nonstop abuse heaped upon your efforts by folks like us. It > has degraded the noise floor of your analog signal and increased interference to your > neighbors on the dial. And based on what? A belief that you have listeners willing to > shell out $500 (or even $50) just to listen to WOR in dial-up-internet-stream-quality? > one thing I have noticed when doing noise reduction on recordings (btw isn't HD radio an attempt at a way to punch through the noise where an analog signal would be unlistenable?) is that while it can be done to some extent, when I've done it and heard a few other people do it, it results in a sound with artifacts similar to what you get when you encode to an mp3 with a high sampling frequency, lowpass filter disabled, and low bitrate. > Even if we accept that HD Radio is an improvement over analog AM, how is spending > money on it a defensible move from an economic standpoint? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 23:12:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50553 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 07:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 07:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 07:12:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 07:12:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:12:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 566 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Fwd: Is KXNT (Las Vegas) running IBOC at night? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key it appears to be running right now... ok maybe it's off but it was on about a half hour ago. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Okay, as posted to Radio-Tech, here is the reply from KXNT's > engineer: > > > We were last week, Ibiquity was seeking data for the NRSC, but at > this point the STA has expired, and they haven't asked me to renew > it. They may try again during NAB. > > Tracy Teagarden > > Chief Engineer > Infinity Broadcasting > 6655 W. Sahara Ave. Suite D110 > Las Vegas, NV 89146 > tteagarden@c... From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 23:16:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57619 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 07:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 07:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 07:16:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 07:15:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:15:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: AmyMousie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > > > src="http://68.105.110.45:1180/stephen/piano/cat_looking_at_bass_strings_and_bridge.jpg"> > > no, I don't have one of her listening to Radio Disney on my SRF-42... :( grr.... image names weren't supposed to show up in the post... oh well... From dougharding@mindspring.com Tue Mar 16 07:12:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6417 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 15:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 15:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 15:12:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 15:11:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:11:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1804 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: CBS Color System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > money and time into an unproven system that no one can use yet. Sometimes this > strategy pays off in the long run. Other times (like the CBS color TV system) it turns > out to be a costly mistake. I know this is off topic but the CBS Color system was vastly superior to our current NTSC system. CBS originally 1n 1946 proposed a 12mhz wide system to operated in the new UHF band that could have produced up to a 1000 line interlace system. Like AM stereo the FCC did not approve it when it could have been done. By 1949 it was required to fit in a 6mhz bandwidth and was reduced to a 410 line system. The color quality looked like technicolor and had none of the problems of our NTSC system like miss convergence, dot crawl etc. To overcome flicker, the field rate was increased from 60 to 144 fields per second resulting in 24 complete color frames per second. This produced a 29,160hz line rate which could not be reproduced on current black and white televisions. The FCC actually did finally chose this system in 1950 but in another case like with FM, RCA filed lawsuits and manage to stall the introduction for another year and by that time there were too many black and white TVs and CBS abandoned it. One other thing, people have always said that you could not have a large picture because the spinning disk would be too big. Not true, CBS had already constructed a 21 inch set with a color wheel shaped like a barrel surrounding the tube to produce the color. The set was no larger then a regular black and white set. Also we would have eventually produced color tubes that would have eliminated the need for spinning disks anyway. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 07:43:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1345 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 15:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 15:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 15:43:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 15:43:03 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33668 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 05:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 05:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 05:35:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 05:35:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 05:35:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2360 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.220 Subject: Re: IBOC = Metric radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Mar 2004 15:43:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > And as for "your mileage may vary", what about kilometerage? Lots > of people were all gung-ho about the USA switching to the Metric > system, and surely very similar kinds of arguments were waged > between the Metric supporters and the U.S. Customary System "nuts". It's properly called "U.S. Imperial System", so named for the British Empire, but with some slight differences for American usage. > Well, a quarter-century later, we're all still waiting for this > Metric conversion to take place! Meanwhile, it's silly to hear > border stations like CFCO give out temperatures in both Celsius and > Fahrenheit, especially during winter when the Celsius reading is > often counter-intuitively negative. Actually, it's quite intuitive. Celsius/centigrade is based on 100 gradients between the freezing point and boiling point of water. The Fahrenheit system is far less intuitive, as most have no clu8e why 0 deg. F starts where it is, and why 100 deg. F is where it is. The closest I could figure out why is that's considered the natural "comfort zone". And it's more like 35 years since annmouncing America's transition to the metric system. > Also, I've never understood why despite the fact that Metric system > supporters like everything nice and evenly divisible by 10, all the > Metric-using countries decided to switch their AM band to numerically > awkward 9 kHz channel spacing! (Yeah, I know it lets them pack more > stations on the dial-- but still, it's an inelegant way of allocating > things. A frequency ID in 9 kHz channel spacing takes up to six > syllables to say, while a 10 kHz channel spacing frequency ID can be > done in as little as two.) Ask the ITU why. Also, all electronics and radio measurements are metric, and have been pretty much since their inceptions. Radio waves are measured in Hertz (or cycles/second), with all wavelengths in meters. This, of course, brings up an interesting fact: Early radio was never measured in cycles or Hertz, but in meters, and it's why early AM radios, even well up into the '40s or early '50s, had the dial tuned backwards, top frequency down, because you're going UP the wavelength. Some longwave radios still measure in wavelength instead of frequency. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 07:43:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14485 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 15:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 15:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 15:43:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 15:43:24 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68564 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 06:07:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 06:07:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 06:07:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 06:07:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:07:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040316041630.22688.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1348 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.220 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Mar 2004 15:43:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Yes youre right Jim I would join a political group if I wanted emails about other peoples personal views on politics.Most of us on whatever AM$ list would like to hear about AM Stereo/radio related generally I would be in agreement with you if it wasn't for politics interfering with the well-being of broadcasting. Basicly, allowing certain parties control over content is akin to political football, with the public interest being the ball itself. In New Zealand, even though you do have a state broadcaster, your government is not playing football with the rest of your nation's broadcasting in much the way it is being done here in the US, and of late, in the UK (where the BBC has become a target of Blair's Labour government, simply because the BBC is at odds with 10 Downing Street). The media should not be anyone's political football, for the good of the Public Interest, and for that same Public Interest, no media group should have dominant interest in any given market. Is that too much to ask? It just might be. Too many are too tempted to exert control for their own political motives and agendas. This is why our First Amendment is not just the law, it's a Good Idea (tm, patents pending, void where prohibited). Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 07:43:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97589 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 15:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 15:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 15:43:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 15:43:33 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82283 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 07:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 07:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 07:27:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 07:26:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:26:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 335 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.220 Subject: Re: AmyMousie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Mar 2004 15:43:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > grr.... image names weren't supposed to show up in the post... oh well... The group is set to strip HTML posts of all tags, making them plain- text posts. This prevents things like viruses and trojans from getting spread. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 07:50:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7822 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 15:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 15:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 15:50:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 15:50:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:50:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 502 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: CBS Color System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The FCC actually did finally chose this system in 1950 but in > another case like with FM, RCA filed lawsuits and manage to stall > the introduction for another year and by that time there were > too many black and white TVs and CBS abandoned it. One interesting thing is that upon the approval of the NTSC color system (which it had previously rejected), the FCC actually banned use of the CBS spinning-disc system. Now, if IBOC turns out to be another flop, will the FCC ban its use as well? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 08:02:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60803 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 16:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 16:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 16:02:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 16:01:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:01:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1144 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: IBOC = Metric radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Actually, it's quite intuitive. Celsius/centigrade is based on 100 > gradients between the freezing point and boiling point of water. That's scientifically intuitive, but to the everyday human life, that couldn't mean less. > The Fahrenheit system is far less intuitive, as most have no clue > why 0 deg. F starts where it is, and why 100 deg. F is where it is. > The closest I could figure out why is that's considered the natural > "comfort zone". The Fahrenheit scale keeps most of the world's temperatures within the 0 to 100 degree range, as you say. We know that anything below 0 is really cold, and anything above 100 is really hot. This is one of the many aspects in which the U.S./Imperial system is very _humanly_ intuitive. And that is likely why countries like the USA, the U.K., and Ireland are still using it -- Metric is ideal for scientific and technical use, but for everyday use, the U.S./Imperial system just makes more sense, even if the learning curve is a bit higher (but learning a few non-evenly-divisible measurement units still pales in comparison to learning the thousands of Chinese characters). From krichards@wor710.com Tue Mar 16 08:12:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71858 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 16:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 16:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 16:12:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 16:11:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:10:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5220 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 141.155.153.214 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 NO you are not nuts...what I was referring to was your idea about WOR announcing what kind of radio to use...WE advertise radios and if a manufacturer wants to sell radios this is the place to do it... I would not count on listening to KFWB instead of KNX. With Glenn Walden running Viacom's radio division now you are going to see a lot of HD stations coming on line as soon as there are more radios out there. My understanding is that is what the wait is all about (radios). In the meantime some AM stations are testing HD at various carrier levels and 8/5 khz operations. Somebody had to do the testing, here at Buckley Radio we have always been on the cutting edge, especially WOR. It was pretty easy for us to implement, and as far as the "nut" factor we can take the heat, and we think we have done a pretty good job. As far as my term "nuts and crazies" come sit in my shoes someday and see all of the crap we have heard and seen through this whole process. Then you would know what I am talking about. Change is never an easy thing. Thanks, Kerry.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > > I have no idea where you get your ideas ... > > Which ideas? Would you care to rebut them specifically, or are you just gong to cast > aspersions on my thought processes in general? > > In case I wasn't clear before, Tom made the point that C-QUAM AM Stereo made less > economic sense than HD Radio. I made the point that HD radio makes even less > economic sense than C-QUAM does, and at some detriment to your current listeners. > > Clearly there is something to be said about being on the cutting edge of something. > But not in economic terms. Not this early in the going. You have put a great deal of > money and time into an unproven system that no one can use yet. Sometimes this > strategy pays off in the long run. Other times (like the CBS color TV system) it turns > out to be a costly mistake. My assessment of the situation is that it's likely to be the > latter. Your mileage may vary. > > > But, WOR has sold tens of thousands of Bose Wave Radios and CC > > Radios. I'm sure when HD > > radios are ready to be marketed WOR will play an important role, > > since we have a proven track record. > > Undoubtedly. But it will be a harder sell. Without going into the merits (or lack > thereof) of the Bose and CC products, there is a fundamental difference between them > and the HD Radio. The Bose and CC deliver their benefits across the band, while the > HD Radio only offers a difference on stations that transmit HD. You're asking > consumers to shell out major bucks to hear improved sound on only a couple > stations. A much harder sell, especally when at least some people who hear HD don't > consider it an improvement. (Well, perhaps they will if they've been listening to a CC > Radio all this time, but I digress.) > > > On the several wideband radio complaints we have had, we have found > > that the majority of the radios may recieve some hiss, but usually it > > is not that loud, and then it becomes a matter of how loud it is... > > most times this issue is resolved throwing the radio in the DX mode > > or the narrow mode. > > No argument on this point--See my posts from the past week. I've said exactly the > same thing. I guess we just disagree about whether the act of deliberately reducing > frequency response by half can be considered "resolving" anything. > > > Recently some nut > > complained about our IBOC Hiss > > But this does not discredit the arguments of the reasonable folks who also object to > the hiss and interference, as experienced during the day. > > > How would you deal with nuts like this? > > Well, when they first approached me I would assume that they are intelligent, > reasonable listeners with a legitimate complaint, then deal with the situation if it > proves otherwise. > > I don't expect WOR to do a thing for me out here in California. You have gone beyond > the call of duty posting the WAV files for everyone to audition. I really appreciate it. > But I would be lying if I said they sounded good to me. In fact, they're shrill enough > that I would not wish to listen to them in any environment, including in the car. My > opinion. > > I have not heard a genuine HD Radio in person yet, and am looking forward to doing > so. I've tried to remember to make clear that my impressions of the HD sound quality > are based on the WAV's on the website, not a real world audition. If the real world > radio sounds better than the WAV files, I give you my word that I'll say so on this > forum, in no uncertain terms. > > > We hear KNX has ordered an exciter and will be going HD soon. > > I've heard the same. This will force a change of my listening habits, since my main > listening rig at home is a TX-11a--The HD hiss on it is objectionable even at narrow > bandwidth. I'll either make do, switch radios, or just listen to KFWB. But it is an > inconvenience. > > Sorry if that makes me a nut. From krichards@wor710.com Tue Mar 16 08:30:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88435 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 16:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 16:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 16:30:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 16:29:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:29:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1397 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 141.155.153.214 Subject: Basement Dwellers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 There seems to be quite a few folks who want to critisize HD Radio instantly: 1. without ever hearing an actual HD radio or demo 2. making crazy claims how it could never work 3. pointing out that it is a big conspiricy between business and the FCC etc etc. 4. claiming that there are millions of AM stereo radios in use 5. thinking that C-Quam will correct the noisy conditions currently present on the AM band 6. Ignoring the fact that each month more C-Quam stations go to mono or IBOC 7. Operating a part 15 AM stereo station in their home to show everyone how good C-Quam is. 8. have no practical experience in the Broadcasting business, therefore most times do not know what they are talking about. 9. think C-Quam is a high fidelity audiophile quality product, despite it's high frequency limitation, and again it's inability to correct the noise problem. 10. Ignoring the fact that the new HD technology has been embraced by manufacturers, broadcasters, the NAB, and the FCC. 11. Also think that stations make the major percentage of their revenue from DX listeners, and despite the FCC rules they have a right to DX stations interference free from all over the place. 12. Never give a direct answer to question posed, instead whip up more controversy never backed by fact. Does the above remind you of anyone who regularly posts here? See my point? Kerry..... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 09:11:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45645 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 17:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 17:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 17:10:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 17:10:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:10:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1369 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Basement Dwellers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > See my point? Mr. Richards, this is not a political campaign. IBOC (and the stations which use it) won't gain any votes by constantly attacking its skeptics and opponents. It has to gain support based on its own merits -- and be able to deal with the criticism rightfully caused by its many detriments. Here, you are in THE AM STEREO FORUM. Most of us here support analog AM Stereo. Some of us are engineers, and some of us are so-called "basement dwellers", but most of us are just interested listeners, which you should be attempting to curry favor with, rather than attack and defame. Because if you piss off die-hard AM radio enthusiasts, then who will you have left to even care about IBOC? The general public could care less -- as is exemplified by Mr. Ray's exaggerated claim that WOR only has five listeners using decent AM receivers. We have highlighted many of IBOC's known flaws and potential problems. Perhaps we could do so in a more gracious manner, but that is a two- way street. iBiquity and their die-hard supporters have never had anything kind to say about those of us who continue to support analog AM Stereo. So if we are not kind towards those who support IBOC, then that is only an equal but opposite response, necessary to maintain what we believe in and what we sacrifice our valuable time and money to support. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 09:36:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98337 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 17:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 17:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 17:36:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 17:35:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:35:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3045 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Basement Dwellers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 1. without ever hearing an actual HD radio or demo Except in rare circumstances, no such thing exists. > 2. making crazy claims how it could never work Nobody has claimed it wouldn't work -- we've just highlighted the fact that its effectiveness may be seriously degraded to the point of ineffectiveness -- such as on 'graveyard channels' at night. > 3. pointing out that it is a big conspiricy between business and the > FCC etc etc. So? Such a conspiracy could very likely exist. If you think it doesn't, then you are welcome to join our discussion, rather than just sit and flame the mere idea of discussing such a topic. > 4. claiming that there are millions of AM stereo radios in use That is largely based on Motorola's own data, which the FCC accepted as fact. If you disagree, take it up with them, not us. > 5. thinking that C-Quam will correct the noisy conditions currently > present on the AM band Where have we ever said this? I have never seen such a claim. DSP-based noise reduction in the latest AM Stereo receivers certainly _does_ help, but not the use of C-Quam itself. > 6. Ignoring the fact that each month more C-Quam stations go to mono > or IBOC If the number of stations using it justified a system's merits, then AM IBOC would be a laughingstock. It has huge support from many companies and broadcasters, not to mention the FCC, NRSC, and NAB, and iBiquity has even given financial incentives for stations to install it. Yet, two years after its preliminary FCC approval, only a handful of AM stations are using it -- and there are already quite a few which tried it for a while, but then quickly gave up on it. > 7. Operating a part 15 AM stereo station in their home to show > everyone how good C-Quam is. Exactly what is wrong with that? > 8. have no practical experience in the Broadcasting business, > therefore most times do not know what they are talking about. That's nice libel, but where's the proof? > 9. think C-Quam is a high fidelity audiophile quality product, > despite it's high frequency limitation, and again it's inability to > correct the noise problem. Analog AM Stereo offers the best audio quality available to AM radio listeners today. It is up to each individual to decide whether it meets their own standards of 'high fidelity' or not -- just as we shall decide with IBOC's artifact-prone low-bitrate digital audio. > 10. Ignoring the fact that the new HD technology has been embraced > by manufacturers, broadcasters, the NAB, and the FCC. See above. Many technologies had very large industry support, but turned out to be a huge flop anyway -- remember DCC? > 11. Also think that stations make the major percentage of their > revenue from DX listeners, and despite the FCC rules they have a > right to DX stations interference free from all over the place. Where have we ever made such claims? > 12. Never give a direct answer to question posed, instead whip up > more controversy never backed by fact. Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle. From dougharding@mindspring.com Tue Mar 16 09:46:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35988 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 17:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 17:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 17:46:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 17:45:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:45:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1983 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Re: CBS Color System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > One interesting thing is that upon the approval of the NTSC color > system (which it had previously rejected), the FCC actually banned use > of the CBS spinning-disc system. Now, if IBOC turns out to be another > flop, will the FCC ban its use as well? Actually what happen is the goverment gave CBS a way out. They banned the manufacture of color tvs due to the korean war and this gave CBS a graceful way out. They did not ban the manufacture of black and white sets. CBS had started broadcasting regular programming in Color by June 1951 but by that time there were over 10 million black and white TVs which could not receive the broadcast thanks to RCA's lawsuit. CBS could not use a system that 99% of the TVs in use could not receive. They stopped all Color in November 1951. Two years later at a hearing they informed the FCC they had no intention of introducing their color system again. The very next day the ban on the manufacture of color TVs was lifted and the FCC ask everyone to work together to develope a compatable color system. The resulting NTSC system was developed by RCA, Hazeltime, GE, and Philco. One final word, When NTSC color finally debut in 1954 it really did not sell well. CBS and ABC refused to adopt it. CBS said it would never broadcast in Color. Sales were horrible and by 1956 only RCA was still making Color Sets. RCA alone with NBC kept Color TV going for the next 10 years. By the early 60s other manufactures started making sets again and in 1966 CBS and ABC went Color but CBS used Norelco and GE equipment refusing to use RCA products. If the FCC had adopted the CBS Field Sequential Color system in 1946 we would have started out with a High Definition Color system and we would not have had 20 years of black and white television. So you see AM stereo was not the first time the FCC failure to chose a standard in a timely manner resulted in a bad outcome. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 10:49:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57523 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 18:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 18:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 18:49:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 18:47:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:47:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 678 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: AmyMousie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > > grr.... image names weren't supposed to show up in the post... oh > well... > > The group is set to strip HTML posts of all tags, making them plain- > text posts. This prevents things like viruses and trojans from > getting spread. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Yea.... I know you can post direct hyperlinks using the {a href=x}y{/a} (characters changed) tags.... I guess I should have renamed the images.... seeing that you're a mouse, I wanted you to see the cat AFTER you clicked the pics, not before. ;) From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 11:27:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92645 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 19:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 19:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 19:27:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 19:26:45 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20828 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 18:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 18:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 18:37:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 18:37:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:37:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2593 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.220 Subject: Re: IBOC = Metric radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Mar 2004 19:26:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 The only thing presently NOT metricized in the world is time, but even there, there are some long-term transitional efforts to that means- Not the least of which is the abolishment of 12-hour AM and PM divisions, and just recognize 24-hour time, as Europe, Japan and China do, now (although 12-hour clocks still remain common). And back to the metric system: It's not really new- It was first proposed and implemented over 210 years ago as part of the French revolution, so it was never adopted overnight, even by Europe. This is why there have been no new systems of measurement that have not been metric in the last 2 centuries. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Mar 16 13:01:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58682 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 21:01:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 21:01:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 21:01:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 21:00:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:00:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 917 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.182.169 Subject: Re: Basement Dwellers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Kerry Richards wrote: > 3. pointing out that it is a big conspiricy between business and the > FCC etc etc. Kevin T chimed in >So? Such a conspiracy could very likely exist. If you think it >doesn't, then you are welcome to join our discussion, rather than >just >sit and flame the mere idea of discussing such a topic. Like it or not, alot of players have alot of money invested in iBiquity, which is why it is the only game in town for digital radio in the US. IBOC is not going to fail because of its techincal shortcomings (where it will cause problems), it is going to fail only if the public turns a deaf ear on it, in the form of not caring about the radios. What will happen is that we will shoot ourselves (again) in the foot with HD, just like we've done many times over with other standards (taking too long on C-Quam, NTSC color, 75us pre-emphasis for FM, VHS... the list goes on and on). From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 14:26:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68793 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 22:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 22:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 22:26:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 22:25:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:25:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1196 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: Basement Dwellers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << 11. Also think that stations make the major percentage of their revenue from DX listeners, and despite the FCC rules they have a right to DX stations interference free from all over the place. >> I'm a broadcast professional and know MANY like me who grew up DXing. That's how our love for the business grew. I don't pretend that stations make money from DXers; in fact, I know they don't. That's not the point. Several generations of radio geeks have had DXing options at their fingertips, and they simply don't want it to go away--C-Quam or not. In general, I don't take part in these AM Stereo vs. WOR debates. But surely, Kerry, you understand that you're tangling with some extremely enthusiastic hobbyists when you start attacking (and belittling the expectations of) DXers. I'm not so naive as to think that DXers' voices will be heard at the FCC (above those of the Media Monopolies'); but, in principle, the airwaves are ours, and the radio owners rent them from us. So the next time you feel like making a self righteous appeal to the FCC's rules, please spare us. We have every right to bitch about govt. decisions that negatively impact our consumer choices. From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Mar 16 15:52:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18457 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 23:52:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 23:52:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 23:52:41 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11) id i2GNqeMZ069506 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:52:41 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001501c40bb1$c52b4240$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:52:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Basement Dwellers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 << 11. Also think that stations make the major percentage of their > revenue from DX listeners, and despite the FCC rules they have a > right to DX stations interference free from all over the place. >> WOR ranks about 22nd in 12+ in the New York metro. Most of the stations above WOR are FM's (excluding WINS, WCBS, WABC and WFAN). Does anyone on this forum think WOR's rate card is in 22nd place?? Most of those FM's that beat WOR are Class B's with decent coverage of the metro, yet I would bet that WOR's rate card is in the top 10. Why? Not because WOR has strong numbers in desirable demos. It's because they flaunt their 50,000 watt clear channel status and, while they don't make claims to be heard in 38 states at night, they certainly use their "extended coverage" as a basis for higher rates than FM's with bigger numbers in the metro. Salesman, "Sure WQXR (the classical music station in 18th place) has twice our audience in New York, but remember WOR is 50,000 watts on a clear channel with listeners all over the northeast WOR has depended on the large DX audience for years on it's rate card, yet now they say it means nothing? I would like to have the Zip Codes that those "tens of thousands of Bose wave Radios" were shipped to. I would just throw out a guess that half on them were shipped to skywave listeners in New England and Upstate New York. Kerry, I would kill to have a Class A Clear Channel on my resume as an engineer... even one in 22nd place just to say that my signal had a potential audience of 70 million people. Don't tell me that the WOR night-time coverage means squat to you! From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Mar 16 16:04:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40333 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 00:04:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 00:04:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 00:04:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2004 00:04:58 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4593 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 22:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 22:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 22:59:27 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r1.2.) id r.24.51479d60 (17228) for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:59:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <24.51479d60.2d88e0c7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:59:19 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.11 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC = Metric radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Mar 2004 00:04:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 Let's not forget that the European broadcasters have set the maximum at 85% modulation, which eliminates ACI on stations spaced 9 kHz apart (for example, if you're in Rome and there's a local on 1530 kHz, then you can hear stations on 1521 and 1539 kHz without ACI). The U.S., with it's 10 kHz spacing, should have taken the Europeans' advice, and cut the modulation so, if we have a station blasting 50 kW in our backyard on 1120, then with the lower modulation, one can hear stations on 1110 and 1130 in the local area of the 1120 station. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 IBOC SUCKS...AM and FM Radio MUST REMAIN ANALOG ONLY! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From castellano105@yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 16:27:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4815 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 00:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 00:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.98) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 00:27:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20040317002753.43869.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.69.233.7] by web60203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:27:53 PST Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:27:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.98 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC = Metric radio? 24 Hour Clock X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 One of the fist things you learn in the American Military is the 24 hour clock. It's mandatory you must report at 0600(that 6am to you civilians) report at 1800 (6pm) The sme goes fo Nasa and other goverment agencys. --- Amy Mousie wrote: > The only thing presently NOT metricized in the world > is time, but > even there, there are some long-term transitional > efforts to that > means- Not the least of which is the abolishment of > 12-hour AM and PM > divisions, and just recognize 24-hour time, as > Europe, Japan and > China do, now (although 12-hour clocks still remain > common). > > And back to the metric system: It's not really new- > It was first > proposed and implemented over 210 years ago as part > of the French > revolution, so it was never adopted overnight, even > by Europe. This > is why there have been no new systems of measurement > that have not > been metric in the last 2 centuries. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 16:38:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5616 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 00:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 00:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 00:38:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2004 00:38:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:38:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24.51479d60.2d88e0c7@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1682 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: IBOC = Metric radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key While I support being able to broadcast audio out to 10kHz, I wonder if it'd be possible to have stricter 20kHz attenuation requirements, so that people using an average walkman can hear distant (<500uV/m) stations on, say, 1110kHz) when as close as 1 to 2 miles to a 50kW omnidirectional station on 1130kHz with 30 ground conductivity and the powerful station being in a direct line between the listener and the distant station, and not be able to hear the 1130 at all even if 1110's signal is undetectable without a Select-A-Tenna or one of Bruce Carter's loop antennas? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Let's not forget that the European broadcasters have set the maximum at 85% > modulation, which eliminates ACI on stations spaced 9 kHz apart (for example, > if you're in Rome and there's a local on 1530 kHz, then you can hear stations > on 1521 and 1539 kHz without ACI). The U.S., with it's 10 kHz spacing, should > have taken the Europeans' advice, and cut the modulation so, if we have a > station blasting 50 kW in our backyard on 1120, then with the lower modulation, one > can hear stations on 1110 and 1130 in the local area of the 1120 station. > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > IBOC SUCKS...AM and FM Radio MUST REMAIN ANALOG ONLY! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 17:53:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24958 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 01:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 01:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 01:53:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2004 01:53:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:53:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 396 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.8 Subject: 1520 WTRA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Amongst a collection of old radio station logos I've come across "WTRA 1520 AM Stereo, Where Local Stars Shine". Does anyone know which station this was? WTRA is not a currently licensed call sign, and I can't find any record of which station might have used it in the past. All I have is a copy of the logo (as seen stuck onto a teletype machine, in fact) -- no word on WTRA's location. From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Mar 16 18:34:03 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 20:06:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 72256 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 04:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 04:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 04:06:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2004 04:06:31 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16754 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 02:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 02:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 02:26:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2004 02:25:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 02:23:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040317002753.43869.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 599 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.220 Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC = Metric radio? 24 Hour Clock X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Mar 2004 04:06:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Francisco Guzman wrote: > One of the fist things you learn in the American > Military is the 24 hour clock. It's mandatory you must > report at 0600(that 6am to you civilians) report at > 1800 (6pm) The sme goes fo Nasa and other goverment > agencys. Quite correct, and all international radio activity (hams, shortwave broadcasters, time stations) report time in a 24-hour format, as well. (And no, not all time stations report in UTC- Canada's CHU reports time in the Eastern time zone, but still in 24-hour mode.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 20:16:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74444 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 04:16:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 04:16:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 04:16:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2004 04:16:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 04:16:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 678 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.8 Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC = Metric radio? 24 Hour Clock X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > (And no, not all time stations report in UTC- Canada's CHU reports > time in the Eastern time zone, but still in 24-hour mode.) Maybe years ago, but as long as I've been listening to them, CHU has announced time in UTC (in English and French, and then in French and English, upon alternating minutes). Sometimes underneath WWV I can hear a time station from Caracas, Venezuela, but never quite clearly enough to know if they announce UTC or not. There's also a Russian time signal either 4 kHz below or above WWV at 10 MHz, but they only use CW, audible as second/minute beeps underneath WWV and occasionally a Morse Code ID or a steady carrier for a few minutes. From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Mar 16 23:32:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95965 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 07:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 07:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 07:32:53 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (ppp-67-126-223-178.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.126.223.178]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i2H7Wrs18388 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:32:53 -0800 Message-ID: <000f01c40bf1$687d9120$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:28:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: OT DVD RECORDER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang My new DVD RECORDER in milatary time to . I kind of wish it was' nt. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Wed Mar 17 02:02:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30780 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 10:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 10:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.173) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 10:02:37 -0000 Received: from user-3036.l1.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.75.220] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1B3Xsi-0002gA-8M for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:02:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:01:21 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.173 From: Philip de Cadenet Reply-To: phil@transmittersrus.com Subject: Plenty of car stereo's with AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man In case anyone's interested in finding AMS car stereo's and you don't mind eBay. Here a Tiny URL link to the German eBay site listing of car radios with cassette. You can cross check the various Becker, Clarion and Blaunpunkt models with the AM Stereo website model listing. http://tinyurl.com/2j2nc I think I now I one of everything though still short of a AMS car stereo that can tune in 1KHz or 9KHz steps and that covers the expanded band! Good luck. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Wed Mar 17 02:47:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5966 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 10:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 10:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.174) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 10:45:59 -0000 Received: from user-3036.l1.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.75.220] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1B3YYg-0008BM-Pw for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:45:59 +0000 Message-ID: <2+6AP2HWwCWAFwui@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:44:38 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.174 From: Philip de Cadenet Reply-To: phil@transmittersrus.com Subject: AMS compatible processor ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Found this Latin American made audio processor on the Miami based Broadcast Depot site: There's a link from the home page to the: DBA BAP-1300FMS Click on the spec's pdf page. There looks like an internal option for L + R in the AM mode. Your thoughts please. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Wed Mar 17 03:23:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65405 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 11:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 11:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 11:23:01 -0000 Received: from dialup-67.31.194.199.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([67.31.194.199] helo=earthlink.net) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B3Z8W-0005cn-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 03:23:00 -0800 Message-ID: <40583517.9E039AB7@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 06:23:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.54 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1520 WTRA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 According to Vane Jones' North American Radio-TV Guide dated 1972, there was a WTRA, 1480kz, 500watt daytimer in Latrobe, PA. They could have changed frequencies to go full time. Dick W. "Kevin T." wrote: > Amongst a collection of old radio station logos I've come across > "WTRA 1520 AM Stereo, Where Local Stars Shine". Does anyone know > which station this was? WTRA is not a currently licensed call sign, > and I can't find any record of which station might have used it in > the past. All I have is a copy of the logo (as seen stuck onto a > teletype machine, in fact) -- no word on WTRA's location. > From aalso@netzero.com Wed Mar 17 03:54:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74757 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 11:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 11:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 11:54:14 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([68.17.233.166]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040317115414.MIAR4640.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 06:54:14 -0500 Message-ID: <40583C73.9020203@netzero.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 06:54:27 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.71 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: Re: IBOC = Metric radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr Eric, I'm apparently confused, since it's the frequency modulating the transmitter and not the percentage of modulation that creates adjacent channel interference. There is NO way that 1110 and 1130 will be interference free in the near proximity (40 miles at least) of a 50 KW operating at 85% modulation. Limiting the modulation will reduce splatter form the occasional overshoots which would hit 100% negative. Now if they are limiting the positive peaks to 85% then they are just reducing the amount of power in the side bands, and effectively reducing the coverage area. By reducing the coverage area it also reduces the interference area accordingly. To me that equates to wasting electricity, running a 50KW carrier to only get 35KW's of coverage. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:59:19 EST From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: IBOC = Metric radio? Let's not forget that the European broadcasters have set the maximum at 85% modulation, which eliminates ACI on stations spaced 9 kHz apart (for example, if you're in Rome and there's a local on 1530 kHz, then you can hear stations on 1521 and 1539 kHz without ACI). The U.S., with it's 10 kHz spacing, should have taken the Europeans' advice, and cut the modulation so, if we have a station blasting 50 kW in our backyard on 1120, then with the lower modulation, one can hear stations on 1110 and 1130 in the local area of the 1120 station. From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Wed Mar 17 04:29:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92476 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 12:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 12:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 12:29:52 -0000 Received: from dialup-67.31.210.96.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([67.31.210.96] helo=earthlink.net) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B3aB8-0005fG-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 04:29:47 -0800 Message-ID: <405844C4.B6F7607A@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:29:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <40583517.9E039AB7@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.49 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1520 WTRA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Apparently WTRA (Latrobe, PA) is now WCNS, and they are still assigned to Latrobe on 1480kz. according to the Radio Locator. Dick W wrote: > According to Vane Jones' North American Radio-TV Guide dated 1972, there was > a WTRA, 1480kz, 500watt daytimer in Latrobe, PA. They could have changed > frequencies to go full time. > Dick W. > > "Kevin T." wrote: > > > Amongst a collection of old radio station logos I've come across > > "WTRA 1520 AM Stereo, Where Local Stars Shine". Does anyone know > > which station this was? WTRA is not a currently licensed call sign, > > and I can't find any record of which station might have used it in > > the past. All I have is a copy of the logo (as seen stuck onto a > > teletype machine, in fact) -- no word on WTRA's location. > > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 05:06:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40627 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 13:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 13:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41003.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.2) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 13:05:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20040317130556.39841.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.50.82] by web41003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 05:05:56 PST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 05:05:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <40583C73.9020203@netzero.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.2 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC = Metric radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio From www.metricsucks.com, there was a discussion on the grading system of Fahrenheit. Apparently, 32º has always been the freezing point of water, BUT, 96º was the other foci and 96º was normal body temperature. Later on, that was scrapped because it was deemed impossible because body temperatures vary. Under this revision, the other end of water: boiling was decided to be a half-circle away; in other words: 180º giving us the current 212º. That's why 10ºC=18ºF & not some other system. Why was 96 originally chosed? 3*32=96. It was still based on the base-2. So, I guess with this computer-oriented world, Fahrenheit may come back into play because it's binary, to some degree (hi hi)! The freezing point of water and human body temperature were decided on originally because they were easy to take to another land to make a thermometer there. This is my own speculation, but anyone in the U.S. knows that the body's temperature is supposedly 98.6º. This corresponds EXACTLY to 37ºC which I suspect is why 98.6 is used. The Old Farmer's Almanac a few years ago had a report saying that the average body temperature of a male is 98.1º (mine is usually 97.8º) and a female is 98.4º. How else could 98.6º have come into play? 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 11:08:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30953 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 19:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 19:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 19:02:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20040317190244.79184.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.31.202] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:02:44 PST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:02:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1079517759.1863.30788.m3@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.38 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes we have the state broadcaster here (although leaving the AM outlets going) are converting nationwide to FM Mono,the main cities have already done so ,We get a good clear signal on 1YA 756KHz and Wellington on 567KHz which ground wave signal covers 600km plus more.These AM outlets can go AM$ and on several of my c-quam capable radios will get a "whoosing sound" in stereo but no music separation but opted for FM mono as its "cool" to the younger listeners who dont listen to AM. All the others have been sold off with no chance of AM Stereo and many going chinese etc that used to play oldies or 80's or country and quite a bit of simulcasting AM and FM same content as well as networking. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: In New Zealand, even though you do have a state broadcaster, your government is not playing football with the rest of your nation's broadcasting in much the way it is being done here in the US, and of late, in the UK (where the BBC has become a target of Blair's Labour government, simply because the BBC is at odds with 10 Downing Street). Amy. <:3 )~~8~ === message truncated === Michael&Ross Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Mar 17 14:45:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21672 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 22:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 22:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 22:45:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2004 22:45:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:45:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c40bf1$687d9120$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 223 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.4.221 Subject: Re: OT DVD RECORDER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith" wrote: > Hi Gang My new DVD RECORDER in milatary time to . I kind of wish it was' nt. Jim Smith > Huh ? Comprende ? What do you mean in other words ?! From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Mar 17 15:28:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55099 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 23:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 23:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 23:28:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:28:29 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:28:29 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:28:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2004 23:28:29.0916 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E2CD1C0:01C40C77] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.73 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT DVD RECORDER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Hi Jim! What brand and model is your dvd recorder? I preafer the military time or 24 hour clock, it's less confusing. Nobody is going to mistake 1500 for 0300; but people can confuse 3am vs 3pm. Shortwave listings are usually in the 24 hour clock mode, in universal standard time. Donn St Petersburg,FL ----Original Message Follows---- From: "jimsmith" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: "am stereo forum" Subject: {AMSF} OT DVD RECORDER Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:28:12 -0800 Hi Gang My new DVD RECORDER in milatary time to . I kind of wish it was' nt. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by ESPN. http://msn.espn.go.com/index.html?partnersite=espn From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 17 19:38:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29366 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2004 03:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2004 03:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2004 03:38:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2004 03:38:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 03:38:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 432 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 69.104.35.18 Subject: Re: OT DVD RECORDER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith" > wrote: > > Hi Gang My new DVD RECORDER in milatary time to . I kind of wish > it was' nt. Jim Smith > > > > Huh ? Comprende ? What do you mean in other words ?! Hi You know insted of past 12:00 PM when 1:00 PM it gose like this 12:00 and 13:00 14:00 ect... till 24:O0 Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 17 20:09:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19884 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2004 04:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2004 04:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2004 04:09:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2004 04:09:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 04:09:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1636 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 69.104.35.18 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT DVD RECORDER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > > > > Hi Jim! > > What brand and model is your dvd recorder? > > I preafer the military time or 24 hour clock, it's less confusing. > > Nobody is going to mistake 1500 for 0300; but people can confuse 3am vs 3pm. > > Shortwave listings are usually in the 24 hour clock mode, in universal > standard time. > > Donn > St Petersburg,FL > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "jimsmith" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: "am stereo forum" > Subject: {AMSF} OT DVD RECORDER > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:28:12 -0800 > > Hi Gang My new DVD RECORDER in milatary time to . I kind of wish it was' > nt. Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > _________________________________________________________________ > All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by > ESPN. http://msn.espn.go.com/index.html?partnersite=espn Hi Cyber Home CH-DVR 1500 PLAYER RECORDER. I bot it at Radio Shack for about $325 its neet. I can copy some tapes and dvd's i was told that i can make audio disks to and thay can play like normal audio disks. Have not tryed that yet. I wanted to try to record my local ams strate to dick but when i turn it on can i hear noise from it on the ams tuner. The tuner sucks in it it's eather mono or it sounds like crap. I use my Zenith VCR tuner for recording it sounds a lot better. Any way it wont record copy wrighted tapes but all the DVD disks i have try copyed. Take care Jim Smith From w6yn@juno.com Wed Mar 17 22:43:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84962 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2004 06:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2004 06:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2004 06:43:41 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCaoWojJBBU+RKIixwI5R1Uk=">; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:42:49 PST Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JQY2DRG9; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:42:49 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:42:38 -0800 Message-ID: <20040317.224238.1040.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-19 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT DVD RECORDER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn 24:00? Better double check - It should read 00:00 at midnight. Don On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 03:38:44 -0000 "jim smith" writes: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith" > > wrote: > > > Hi Gang My new DVD RECORDER in milatary time to . I kind of > wish > > it was' nt. Jim Smith > > > > > > > Huh ? Comprende ? What do you mean in other words ?! > > Hi You know insted of past 12:00 PM when 1:00 PM it gose like this > 12:00 and 13:00 14:00 ect... till 24:O0 Jim Smith From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Mar 18 03:27:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97923 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2004 11:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2004 11:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2004 11:27:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2004 11:27:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:27:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 710 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.23.87 Subject: Re: OT DVD RECORDER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith" > > wrote: > > > Hi Gang My new DVD RECORDER in milatary time to . I kind of > wish > > it was' nt. Jim Smith > > > > > > > Huh ? Comprende ? What do you mean in other words ?! > > Hi You know insted of past 12:00 PM when 1:00 PM it gose like this > 12:00 and 13:00 14:00 ect... till 24:O0 Jim Smith So the clock is a 24hr one I guess. 24:00 usually shows as 00:00. I've not heard of this make. Popular one in the UK which I have is the Panasonic E50, briiliant recorder From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Mar 18 19:55:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60453 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2004 03:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2004 03:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2004 03:55:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2004 03:55:03 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69464 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2004 03:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2004 03:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2004 03:18:44 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r1.2.) id r.1df.1b9cadcc (16930); Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:18:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1df.1b9cadcc.2d8bc08b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:18:35 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.144.208 From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Facts and Myths About IBOC...New Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 19 Mar 2004 03:55:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 [Moderator's Note: While we appreciate his intentions, The AM Stereo Forum cannot vouch for the validity of the statements and opinions presented on Eric's web page.] FACTS AND MYTHS ABOUT IBOC-DAB http://www.qsl.net/n0uih/IBOCMythsandFacts/ This site uncovers the facts and myths about IBOC-DAB, the world's most inferior radio system. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 18 22:57:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95107 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2004 06:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2004 06:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2004 06:57:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2004 06:56:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 06:56:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 928 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.15.94 Subject: Re: OT DVD RECORDER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" > wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith" > > > wrote: > > > > Hi Gang My new DVD RECORDER in milatary time to . I kind of > > wish > > > it was' nt. Jim Smith > > > > > > > > > > Huh ? Comprende ? What do you mean in other words ?! > > > > Hi You know insted of past 12:00 PM when 1:00 PM it gose like this > > 12:00 and 13:00 14:00 ect... till 24:O0 Jim Smith > > So the clock is a 24hr one I guess. 24:00 usually shows as 00:00. > I've not heard of this make. Popular one in the UK which I have is > the Panasonic E50, briiliant recorder Hi the Panasonics here in the states are alot more ecsenceve. That was the cheapest i found. Jim Smith From krichards@wor710.com Fri Mar 19 03:21:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27520 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2004 11:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2004 11:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2004 11:21:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2004 11:21:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:21:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1df.1b9cadcc.2d8bc08b@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 761 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Re: Facts and Myths About IBOC...New Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Kevin: Thanks for the disclaimer....this guy is crazy, and is one of those nuts who has sent me a lot of crappy emails and other junk. Thanks for exposing him, Kerry.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > [Moderator's Note: While we appreciate his intentions, The AM Stereo Forum > cannot vouch for the validity of the statements and opinions presented on > Eric's web page.] > > > FACTS AND MYTHS ABOUT IBOC-DAB > http://www.qsl.net/n0uih/IBOCMythsandFacts/ > > This site uncovers the facts and myths about IBOC-DAB, the world's most > inferior radio system. > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 From droland66@yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 06:47:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21634 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2004 14:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2004 14:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2004 14:47:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2004 14:46:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:46:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1281 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "coaxguy99" X-Originating-IP: 206.99.185.167 Subject: Re: Basement Dwellers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 What about the Khan digital system that we've all read about? Is that vaporware or will something materialize? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > Kerry Richards wrote: > > > 3. pointing out that it is a big conspiricy between business and > the > > FCC etc etc. > > Kevin T chimed in > > >So? Such a conspiracy could very likely exist. If you think it > >doesn't, then you are welcome to join our discussion, rather than > >just > >sit and flame the mere idea of discussing such a topic. > > Like it or not, alot of players have alot of money invested in > iBiquity, which is why it is the only game in town for digital radio > in the US. > > IBOC is not going to fail because of its techincal shortcomings > (where it will cause problems), it is going to fail only if the > public turns a deaf ear on it, in the form of not caring about the > radios. > > What will happen is that we will shoot ourselves (again) in the foot > with HD, just like we've done many times over with other standards > (taking too long on C-Quam, NTSC color, 75us pre-emphasis for FM, > VHS... the list goes on and on). What about the Khan digital system that we've all read about? Is that vaporware or will something materialize? From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Mar 19 11:41:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31857 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2004 19:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2004 19:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2004 19:22:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2004 19:22:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:22:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 524 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: Re: Facts and Myths About IBOC...New Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq You know.... when I really look at it the part of digital radio that really gets me aggravated is I can't play with the whole system on my workbench while I dwell in my basement. iBiquity and DRM get to have all the fun. Darn. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > Kevin: > > Thanks for the disclaimer....this guy is crazy, and is one of those > nuts who has sent me a lot of crappy emails and other junk. > > Thanks for exposing him, > > Kerry.... > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 16:40:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7337 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 00:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 00:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 00:40:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 00:40:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 00:40:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 792 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.11 Subject: Re: Facts and Myths About IBOC...New Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You know.... when I really look at it the part of digital radio > that really gets me aggravated is I can't play with the whole > system on my workbench while I dwell in my basement. iBiquity and > DRM get to have all the fun. Darn. Actually, if you have a certain model of communications receiver, you can hook it up to your computer and use software to decode the DRM signal. So, you can play around with it in your basement, but the weapon of choice will be a computer keyboard, rather than a soldering iron. And if it ever becomes popular enough, it is likely that somebody will 'crack' the IBOC system and write software to decode iBiquity's proprietary "HDC" codec -- or to encode it, for that matter, since iBiquity's IBOC exciter is actually based on a PC running Linux. From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 17:23:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34546 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 01:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 01:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 01:23:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20040320012357.12030.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.90] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:23:57 PST Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:23:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.89 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A good move for IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jim smith wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > --- jimsmith wrote: > > > Hi Guys I think if IBOC was moved off AM and > to > > > the unused part of the uhf tv band between ch > 70 > > > and ch 83 It would be a much better thing for > every > > > body. I can't take the credit for this some one > els > > > on the form had this good idea. Oh yes KFRC AM > 610 > > > is still a 10khz. And thay do sound good for a > mono > > > station but i would very much like them to be > back > > > in stereo. Jim Smith > > > > > > > > > Those frequencies are NOT available they are > already > > in use. > > > > > > Powell ( currently in Ramah, NM) > > > > ===== > > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > Hi Powell Oh.... What is the uhf band being used for > setween 70 and > 83 for? Jim Smith some cell phones (analog ) and other services. The band was auctioned off years ago. One day some years ago at BellSouth, there was an older TV in the break room. They had been showing a video, and one of the ladies asked if it would get their soaps. I said yes, and inadvertantly turned it into that higher band, picked up a cell phone ( only the man ) with a a man telling his girlfriend how to find the motel, and how to avoid going where his wife would see the car. That conversation was MUCH more interesting than the soaps at the moment to them! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 17:27:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61325 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 01:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 01:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 01:27:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20040320012701.90253.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.90] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:27:01 PST Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:27:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.81 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > Much of the 30 to 50 MHZ band here (Omaha, NE) is > largely vacant, > > with maybe the exception of the State patrol on > 42.46 and the > > sheriffs net around 39.90 Much of the Police > traffic has > > switched to digital recently. Last time I checked > Omaha Fire was > > still on VHF. The SC Highway Patrol and other state agencies keep their 40 megahertz low band as emegency back up. It covers FAR better than anything else they have. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 17:32:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70486 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 01:32:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 01:32:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 01:32:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20040320013245.57444.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.90] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:32:45 PST Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:32:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040312215727.53567.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A good move for IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Francisco Guzman wrote: > Look the FCC is not going to have 2 different > frequency for one station. Digital AM Stereo is > going > to be on present day Analog AM Stereo/Mono > Frequency. The analog needs to be turned off AS fast as the proposal to turn off the Analog TV to be successful. LESS than 10 years. Advantages given to those to kill analog quicker. Since Ibiquity and the other proponents don't CARE how their analog sounds it needs to be killed as in a mercy killing. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 17:34:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48894 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 01:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 01:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 01:34:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 01:34:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 01:32:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Facts and Myths About IBOC...New Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > iBiquity's IBOC exciter is actually based on a PC running Linux. ok... THERE's ONE good thing about IBOC - it's based on a non-M****S*** operating system. From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 17:34:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73741 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 01:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 01:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 01:34:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20040320013449.58009.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.90] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:34:49 PST Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:34:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > And now, we can't even move to Canada to get away > from it... as > expected, iBiquity's nighttime IBOC report gave no > mention to the > interference that will be caused to bordering > Canadian and Mexican > stations.... after all, that's _their_ problem, not > ours... right? But...but... remember Ibiquity *SAID* [at one time]there would be no interference................ ]:) Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 17:36:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88218 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 01:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 01:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 01:36:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20040320013600.79860.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.90] by web60104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:36:00 PST Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:36:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.83 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A good move for IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > Look the FCC is not going to have 2 different > frequency for one > > station. > > That's exactly what they're doing with Digital TV. But not for long, as the drop dead date for analog is 2006. NOW, let's see if the FCC has the backbone to enforce this. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 17:51:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2667 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 01:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 01:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 01:51:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 01:50:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 01:50:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040320012701.90253.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1173 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.11 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The SC Highway Patrol and other state agencies keep > their 40 megahertz low band as emegency back up. It > covers FAR better than anything else they have. I wonder, though... I know police communications moved to VHF decades ago, but were the old AM frequencies around 1700 kHz ever officially de-allocated from that use? I believe 1605-1800 kHz is still allocated to "Fixed, Mobile, and Radiolocation", although it is unclear whether or not this allocation was revoked when the Expanded Band was implemented for AM broadcasting, or if it remains as a secondary allocation. And on the other side of the AM broadcast band, is there anything still on the air below 530 kHz besides various beacons, Longwave broadcast stations in Europe and Asia, and a few 160-190 kHz Part 15 experimenters? A surprisingly high amount of ordinary AM/FM radios tune down to 520 kHz on AM, so I don't see why it couldn't be officially added to the AM broadcast band, much like 1710 or even 1720 kHz (again, which many radios can tune). Knowing how much a good TIS on 530 kHz can cover, I bet a similar 10-watt signal on 520 kHz would have very impressive signal coverage. From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Mar 19 17:51:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15968 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 01:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 01:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.120) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 01:51:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:51:07 -0800 Received: from 172.130.8.79 by bay99-dav16.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 01:51:07 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 20:39:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2004 01:51:07.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[CFDD6510:01C40E1D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.120 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.130.8.79] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Facts and Myths About IBOC...New Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: > And if it ever becomes popular enough, it is likely that somebody will 'crack' the IBOC system and write software to decode iBiquity's proprietary "HDC" codec -- or to encode it, for that matter, It won't be long before you will be able to download the HD software on www.warezcrawler.net LOL Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 17:59:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89091 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 01:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 01:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 01:59:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20040320015829.20968.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.90] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:58:29 PST Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:58:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.89 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Facts and Myths About IBOC...New Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin T. wrote: > > And if it ever becomes popular enough, it is > likely that somebody will > 'crack' the IBOC system and write software to decode > iBiquity's proprietary > "HDC" codec -- or to encode it, for that matter, > It won't be long before you will be able to download > the HD software on > www.warezcrawler.net LOL > Kevin in Tampa AND the men in black come to visit, or a black helicopter drops a bomb on your house.... LOL! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Mar 19 18:19:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87664 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 02:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 02:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.109) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 02:19:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:18:46 -0800 Received: from 172.130.8.79 by bay99-dav5.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 02:18:46 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040320015829.20968.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:07:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2004 02:18:46.0849 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACC49310:01C40E21] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.109 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.130.8.79] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Facts and Myths About IBOC...New Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > AND the men in black come to visit, or a black helicopter drops a bomb on your house.... LOL! While I know it will NEVER happen, I would *LOVE* to see HD radio killed by the "Wrath of Kahn" in the way of CAM-D, as well as CFM-D. Somehow I just can't see "Ol' Lenny" working on a system to improve FM....... Wonder who's FM transmitter he will fry first? Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 18:19:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88540 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 02:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 02:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 02:19:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 02:19:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 02:19:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040320013600.79860.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1357 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.11 Subject: Re: digital TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > But not for long, as the drop dead date for analog is > 2006. NOW, let's see if the FCC has the backbone to > enforce this. I think it has a snowball's chance in hell, with the way analog TV sets are still flying off the store shelves. Europe took two decades to fully transition from black & white TV to a non-compatible color TV sytem, and even then, some viewers were left in the dark when the black & white transmitters were finally shut down. So, to expect us to seamlessly transition from analog to non-compatible digital TV in less than two years is ridiculous. Yes, digital TVs have been on the market for years, but they still cost over twice as much as comparable analog models, and the vast majority of them are not being sold with the outboard HDTV tuner box that would be necessary to receive on-air digital signals. At least 80% of all digital TVs I see advertised do not include a built-in DTV tuner (and thus are so-called "HDTV-Ready"), and most people see no reason to purchase the tuner box at a price which could easily cover the cost of a nice DVD recorder to go along with the TV. Will radio follow this same trend? I think so. Just like all the receivers with an unused "AM Stereo Output" jack in the 1980s, we'll likely see many "IBOC-ready" receivers, but very few IBOC tuner modules to go along with them. From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Mar 19 18:37:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82368 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 02:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 02:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.124) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 02:37:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:37:44 -0800 Received: from 172.130.8.79 by bay99-dav20.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 02:37:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:26:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2004 02:37:44.0205 (UTC) FILETIME=[52AF53D0:01C40E24] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.124 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.130.8.79] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: digital TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: >So, to expect us to seamlessly transition from analog to non-compatible digital TV in less than two years is ridiculous. Yes it is and the poor consumer is going to get a real good screwing! They should at least have a warning sticker on all of the TVs: Warning: In 2006 this TV will be worthless landfill fodder" I am sure LOTS of hell will be raised when people wake up one morning to find that the brand new TV they bought last month is now useless! > > Will radio follow this same trend? I think so. Just like all the receivers with an unused "AM Stereo Output" jack in the 1980s, we'll likely see many "IBOC-ready" receivers, but very few IBOC tuner modules to go along with them. Agreed! What they will do is sell a set top HD converter box just like the old UHF converter boxes of the 1960s....and well ALL know that converter boxes will have a MUCH worse picture than the analog signal they replaced. This is just like HD-Radio. It is something to sell every single radio and TV station new transmitter plants and replace every radio and TV in America. No doubt this was designed to make the transmitter manufacturers filthy rich while making fortunes for the consumer electronics companies in the process! Oh well, at least you will be able to drive to my side of the Tampa Metro and listen to Big Band music in KAHN ISB Stereo on my Part 15! LOL Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 19:45:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40569 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 03:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 03:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 03:45:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 03:45:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 03:45:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 158 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.11 Subject: Re: Ol' Lenny X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a > mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than > FM. - Leonard Kahn BS. From mark_608@hotmail.com Fri Mar 19 22:01:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56271 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 06:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 06:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 06:01:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:01:24 -0800 Received: from 68.43.171.59 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 06:01:24 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 01:01:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2004 06:01:24.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6D63780:01C40E40] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.86 From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [68.43.171.59] Subject: Philips ECO6 Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Chris Cuff..or anyone who might know... Is the Philips ECO6 tuner module a good candidate for AM stereo conversion? If so, does anyone have a picture of where best to connect the conversion board? Thanks! Mark S _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From baansy@yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 22:19:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47532 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 06:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 06:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 06:19:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 06:19:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 06:19:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 49 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 144.137.201.120 Subject: SONY ST-S3000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy HAS AM STEREO APPARARENTLY. IS THIS A NEW TUNER? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 01:10:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53467 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 09:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 09:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 09:10:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 09:10:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 09:10:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 361 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: SONY ST-S3000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "baansy" wrote: > HAS AM STEREO APPARARENTLY. IS THIS A NEW TUNER? http://stereoam.com/orderpage2.htm From castellano105@yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 05:17:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3607 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 13:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 13:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60210.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 13:17:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20040320131757.56251.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.161.233.210] by web60210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 05:17:57 PST Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 05:17:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.105 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Ol' Lenny X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Years ago Bob Carver pruved to the world the Hi-Fidelity of AM Stereo, with his Carver TX11A AM Stereo Frequency responce from 20hrz to 15khz a demphesis, Narro and Wide band responce and noise filter. The problem is not in the Tranmiter of AM it is in the manufactures of AM Tuners and Receivers that do not speend time nor money on AM,They limit the frequency responce from2khz to 5khz on average. The FCC in the past has never demanded Any exelence in standars of tuners or receiver Manufactures. --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM > radio. From a > > mathematical standpoint, AM does better in > frequency response than > > FM. - Leonard Kahn > > BS. > > > ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Mar 20 06:31:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30374 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 14:31:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 14:31:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.193) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 14:31:11 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id DD5C8BECB for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 06:31:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id GAA15021; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 06:31:10 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQKVzKAvTsEpkwiz05Ev3PQuQJ4zAIUfa0JlEOwyWunB51fDF9bao70oxU= Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 08:31:10 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <7607-405C55AE-223@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 20 Mar 2004 11:20:27 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.193 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 RE: that Kahn system Cam_D I guess it's out there somewhere. I have monitored KRVN recently and the best I can figure is that they are still running Power side. IF IBOC fails is will be for TWO good reasons! First, Massive interference to other "authorised" analog broadcast radio services on both AM and FM, 2nd. Apathy! Lack of interest by the consuming public out here. It will be a cold day in HE%% before I shell out $800-900 dollars for a inferior IBOC radio. I just bought a state of the art ANALOG AM/ FM Stereo receiver to replace my 1974 vintage Sherwood rig, So confident am I that ANALOG will be around when that IBOC fantasy is OVER! To Quote Arnold the Governor RE: Analog and AM stereo radio > " I'll be back!!" Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Mar 20 06:33:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27751 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 14:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 14:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.193) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 14:33:23 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id A952EBECF; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 06:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id GAA15137; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 06:33:23 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAxSwghjxCfr3A8t0MBGRRDHs5WLgCFEDRDbkFdG8cJXkrEPfA20szw1HA Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 08:33:22 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@topica.com Message-ID: <7605-405C5632-556@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.193 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: Re: {AMSF} Analod Isn;'t going away X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To Follow.... Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From castellano105@yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 07:12:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86477 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 15:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 15:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 15:12:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 15:12:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:12:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 238 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 205.161.233.210 Subject: South Florida IBOC Brodcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 The following Station are gearing up for IBOC Transmision WKIS Kiss Country (99.9FM) Miami.WQAM Sports Radio(560AM) Miami.WWNN(1470AM),WSBR(740AM) and WHSR(980AM) in Boca Raton. This Radio Stations are ownd by Beasley in South Florida. From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Mar 20 10:29:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93815 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 18:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 18:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 18:29:02 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040320182900.DMLA19401.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:29:00 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:29:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7607-405C55AE-223@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> Message-Id: <74CD7247-7A9C-11D8-89BA-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.125 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the cost argument is one of the worst against IBOC. Every=20 product that has ever come out with new technology was expensive when=20 it first came out. VCRs were $600 - $1000; now they are $50. CD players=20 were $700; now they are $50. Heck, DVDs, which were once $700 are now=20 $79, even for Sony. Even the Carver TX 11a and 11b's were not cheap; in=20 real dollars they were more expensive when they were out than HD tuners=20 today. To use the fact that current HD tuners might cost $500 - $700=20 today, and assume they will cost the same in a few years is not=20 reality. IC prices will come down, new manufacturing designs will bring=20 the cost down more ... if it does indeed catch on. To be completely honest, I think that the only way IBOC/HD will catch=20 on is if stations provide good content that cannot be found elsewhere.=20 Those renegade stations should turn off the analog completely and get=20 people interested in this new form of broadcasting. I don't think that will actually happen, so in my opinion the future of=20 HD is hazy. But the cost argument has got to go. Richard Wagoner On Saturday, March 20, 2004, at 06:31 AM, oldphones@webtv.net wrote: > =A0=A0=A0=A0 RE: that Kahn system=A0 Cam_D=A0 I guess it's out there some= where.=A0 I > have monitored KRVN recently and the best I can figure is that they are > still=A0 running Power side.=A0=A0 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 IF=A0 IBOC fails is will be for TWO good reasons!=A0=A0 F= irst, Massive > interference to other "authorised" analog broadcast radio services on > both AM and FM,=A0 2nd.=A0 Apathy!=A0 Lack of interest by the consuming=20 > public > out here.=A0 > =A0=A0 It will be a cold day in HE%%=A0 before I shell out $800-900 dolla= rs > for a inferior IBOC radio.=A0 > =A0=A0 I just bought a state of the art ANALOG > AM/ FM Stereo receiver to replace my 1974 vintage Sherwood rig,=A0=A0 So > confident am I that ANALOG will be around when that IBOC fantasy is > OVER!=A0=A0=A0 > =A0=A0=A0 To Quote Arnold the Governor RE: Analog and AM stereo=A0 radio = > " > I'll be back!!" > > =A0 > =A0 Oldphones@ webtv. net=A0=A0 > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > wiring items > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sat Mar 20 10:42:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99399 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 18:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 18:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.210) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 18:42:04 -0000 Received: from user-3141.l4.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.236.69] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1B4lQ3-0002WS-Gv for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:42:03 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:40:59 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.210 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Ol' Lenny X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Kevin said: BS to Kenny's: There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn Kevin, I'll have you know the current crop of Nautel AM transmitters are 'capable' of near DC to 50KHz audio and 200% positive peak mod. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From dougharding@mindspring.com Sat Mar 20 11:12:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4190 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 19:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 19:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 19:12:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 19:12:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:12:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1006 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.120.125 Subject: {AMSF} Re: digital TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Kevin T. wrote: > old UHF converter boxes of the 1960s....and well ALL know that converter > boxes will have a MUCH worse picture than the analog signal they replaced. I have had HDTV since 2000 with the digital receiver box and the digital picture is so incredible I have disconnected my cable and now only watch over the air HDTV. Even on regular 480i brodacast like local news the digital picture blows analog out of the water. Everone who sees it cannot wait to get it. I agree the 2006 deadline is crazy but just this week FCC chairman Powell wants to count cable homes as part of the 85% who must receive a digital channel in order to shut off analog. Under this plan most citys already meet it so we may yet see the shutdown in 2006. On a side note the major tv groups are now going to work to defeat president bush because they want to get rid of powell and they do not want to give up their analog signals yet. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 13:52:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16980 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 21:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 21:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 21:52:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 21:51:19 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16879 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 20:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 20:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 20:34:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 20:34:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:34:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74CD7247-7A9C-11D8-89BA-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1728 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.114 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Mar 2004 21:51:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I think the cost argument is one of the worst against IBOC. Every > product that has ever come out with new technology was expensive when > it first came out. VCRs were $600 - $1000; now they are $50. CD players > were $700; now they are $50. Heck, DVDs, which were once $700 are now > $79, even for Sony. Even the Carver TX 11a and 11b's were not cheap; in > real dollars they were more expensive when they were out than HD tuners > today. To use the fact that current HD tuners might cost $500 - $700 > today, and assume they will cost the same in a few years is not > reality. IC prices will come down, new manufacturing designs will bring > the cost down more ... if it does indeed catch on. > > To be completely honest, I think that the only way IBOC/HD will catch > on is if stations provide good content that cannot be found elsewhere. > Those renegade stations should turn off the analog completely and get > people interested in this new form of broadcasting. > > I don't think that will actually happen, so in my opinion the future of > HD is hazy. But the cost argument has got to go. The problem here isn't just so much the cost, Richard, but the value/cost ratio. With the above-mentioned items, they all had an added value that attracted buyers, and was enough to sustain these items until they could be lowered and really took off. The worst of the cost is not even with the consumers, but with the broadcasters, here, who are asked to shell out 5-10 times what they for conventional equipment (even for AMS), but aren't offered much in any real added value to warrant the expense. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 13:52:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68483 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 21:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 21:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 21:52:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 21:52:06 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74452 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 20:42:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 20:42:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 20:42:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 20:42:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:42:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1056 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.114 Subject: Re: Ol' Lenny X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Mar 2004 21:52:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Kevin said: > > BS > > to Kenny's: > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a > mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than > FM. - Leonard Kahn > > Kevin, I'll have you know the current crop of Nautel AM transmitters are > 'capable' of near DC to 50KHz audio and 200% positive peak mod. Phillip is quite correct, and I was surprised by KT's response, considering his advocacy of the "AM Stereo Advantage". Even with the NRSC curve, a broadcaster CAN go out to say, 30kHz, and equally, there is NO technical limit to frequency response for AM, unlike FM, which is limited by the stereo pilot and other subcarriers, and the filters needed to null them. I disagree with much of HOW Mr. Kahn has behaved in the AMS and general radio arenas, but on this statement, he is correct. Also, remember: There are no filters on crystal radios, so you just about get 0-infinity going to your headphones. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From castellano105@yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 14:13:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92446 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 22:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 22:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 22:13:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 22:13:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:13:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 106 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 205.161.233.210 Subject: Bell Labs joins IBOC development. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Bell Labs has join the IBOC development for the express adoptation of a HD Radio Standard for the U.S.A. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Mar 20 14:53:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2448 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 22:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 22:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.v21.co.uk) (62.41.128.11) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 22:53:19 -0000 Received: from dave1qxc4ugppn ([81.7.23.205]) by kaliber.flexi-surf.co.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id i2KMrEM30992 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:53:14 GMT Message-ID: <017101c40ece$219ff740$cd170751@dave1qxc4ugppn> To: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:53:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.41.128.11 From: "Dave" Subject: Fw: AM Stereo in Melbourne X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wombat Lover" Newsgroups: aus.radio.broadcast Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 1:10 PM Subject: AM Stereo in Melbourne > For the first time, I actually found a car that has AM Stereo in it, so I > didnt knock back a listen to it the other night, this is what I found > > 3AW - Using only left channel of audio only > Sport 927 - Stereo appears, but possibly not used > ABC Adelaide - Yep, still on, not used > 2CA - Sounds fan-bloody-tastic > 3GG - They've now turned theirs on, sounding good so far > Magic 693 - As good as 2CA > 3GV - Audio from 3AW was Mono, centered...Static was the only thing in > Stereo > 2CC - Sounds good, expecailly when 2UE's satelitte is also in Stereo (unlike > 3AW) > > I also heard that Radio 2 is in Stereo (1629 Melb, not sure about other > places) But the radio wouldnt go that high, Is there someone out there that > can confirm that? > > SEN isnt in Stereo (and why would they with their current sound quality), > 3KND is also Mono, along with 3MP (not the first time I hear) > > -- > From Robert | Wombat Lover | Melbourne | http://www.surfnetvic.cjb.net | > > From bratina501@msn.com Sat Mar 20 15:56:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60792 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 23:56:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 23:56:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 23:56:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 23:56:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 23:56:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 634 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.49 Subject: Re: Philips ECO6 Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Sundquist" wrote: > > Chris Cuff..or anyone who might know... > > Is the Philips ECO6 tuner module a good candidate for AM stereo conversion? > If so, does anyone have a picture of where best to connect the conversion > board? > > Thanks! > > Mark S > I had a Philips AZ-1040 boombox with that tuner module in it before and converted it to AM stereo there is a IF integrated circut on the module the decoder connects to two points on the chip (I forgot which ones) and has good quality sound in stereo through the decoder. so yes it would be a good candidate. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 16:30:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94424 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 00:30:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2004 00:30:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 00:30:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20040321003008.67451.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.90] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:30:08 PST Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:30:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.88 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bell Labs joins IBOC development. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Francisco Guzman wrote: > Bell Labs has join the IBOC development for the > express adoptation of > a HD Radio > Standard for the U.S.A. HUH? I thought Bell Labs didn't exist any more since there really isn't any *ONE* Bell. I thought Lucent was the old Bell Labs. And Lucent is one of the main proponents. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 16:31:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39300 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 00:31:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2004 00:31:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 00:31:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20040321003158.67706.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.90] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:31:58 PST Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:31:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.88 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Philips ECO6 Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bratina501 wrote: > I had a Philips AZ-1040 boombox with that tuner > module in it before > and converted it to AM stereo there is a IF > integrated circut on the > module the decoder connects to two points on the > chip (I forgot > which ones) and has good quality sound in stereo > through the decoder. > so yes it would be a good candidate. I've got one of those too, and it has a decent sounding tuner too. Amazing bass response for a moderately small unit ( playing CD's) ... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 17:09:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67727 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 01:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2004 01:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 01:09:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2004 01:09:34 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28598 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 00:11:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2004 00:11:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 00:11:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2004 00:10:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:10:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 338 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.114 Subject: Re: Bell Labs joins IBOC development. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 21 Mar 2004 01:09:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Francisco Guzman" wrote: > Bell Labs has join the IBOC development for the express adoptation of > a HD Radio > Standard for the U.S.A. And Lucent Technologies, the parent of iBoquity, is an offshoot of Bell Labs. (It was a part of the big AT&T breakup.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 18:25:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91979 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 02:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2004 02:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 02:25:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20040321022451.59737.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.83] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:24:51 PST Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:24:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Bell Labs joins IBOC development. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Francisco > Guzman" > wrote: > > Bell Labs has join the IBOC development for the > express adoptation > of > > a HD Radio > > Standard for the U.S.A. > > And Lucent Technologies, the parent of iBoquity, is > an offshoot of > Bell Labs. Yes. > (It was a part of the big AT&T breakup.) And the BOC's group was called BellCore. I thought the Bell Lab's name went away. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 18:37:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33025 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 02:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2004 02:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 02:37:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2004 02:37:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:37:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1688 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Ol' Lenny X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet > wrote: > > Kevin said: > > > > BS > > > > to Kenny's: > > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a > > mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than > > FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > Kevin, I'll have you know the current crop of Nautel AM > transmitters are > > 'capable' of near DC to 50KHz audio and 200% positive peak mod. > > Phillip is quite correct, and I was surprised by KT's response, > considering his advocacy of the "AM Stereo Advantage". Even with the > NRSC curve, a broadcaster CAN go out to say, 30kHz, and equally, > there is NO technical limit to frequency response for AM, unlike FM, > which is limited by the stereo pilot and other subcarriers, and the > filters needed to null them. > > I disagree with much of HOW Mr. Kahn has behaved in the AMS and > general radio arenas, but on this statement, he is correct. > > Also, remember: There are no filters on crystal radios, so you just > about get 0-infinity going to your headphones. What would it take to get an AMS crystal set? I might want to leave one next to KDIS's transmitter for a few weeks to a month sometime recording some music... now question is what to record onto since this will be unattended for a while and needs to have at least 30-40 days continuous power to be on the conservative side. btw... if I have the crystal set's antenna hooked up to the fence surrounding KDIS's towers, I shouldn't have any problems with interference from 1070 and 1150, should I? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 18:52:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93647 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 02:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2004 02:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 02:52:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2004 02:52:13 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82078 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 01:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2004 01:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 01:27:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2004 01:27:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:27:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040321003008.67451.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 507 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.114 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bell Labs joins IBOC development. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 21 Mar 2004 02:52:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Francisco Guzman wrote: > > Bell Labs has join the IBOC development for the > > express adoptation of > > a HD Radio > > Standard for the U.S.A. > > > > HUH? I thought Bell Labs didn't exist any more since > there really isn't any *ONE* Bell. I thought Lucent > was the old Bell Labs. And Lucent is one of the main > proponents. That's what it's supposed to be, yes. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Mar 21 01:14:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28730 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 09:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2004 09:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 09:14:19 -0000 Received: from storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 69BCBBEC0; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:14:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id BAA29063; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:14:19 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRHaH4Iry1TyifAvVaBgBL6qt/12AIUL7Khz1ogNNT3IymPS1RvNTTHQPA= Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 03:14:19 -0600 (CST) To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@topica.com Message-ID: <22031-405D5CEB-2251@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: oldphones 's message of Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:34:37 -0600 (CST) Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ ABDX ] KEVA DX test 4/21/04 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KEVA 1240 AM"test"is over...3 AM CST What I did find was An religious talker EWTN Catholic Radio station EWTN.COM was mentioned on 1240 Khz, Also Coast to Coast AM on another station , a partial call WH?? Any ideas?? and a station saying "Denver" definitely on the "WH" NOT in Denver for sure. Any ID help is appreciated!! Thanks, Bill Snyder, Omaha, NE Using TEAC AG370 Receiver with double loop antenna(s). TEAC loop and RS loop. Good DX to you!! Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From castellano105@yahoo.com Sun Mar 21 04:20:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80158 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 12:20:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2004 12:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 12:20:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2004 12:20:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:20:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 218 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 207.30.233.159 Subject: New AM Station in Ocala,Fl. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 A New AM Station is being build in Ocala,Florida. Calle letters have not ben posted yet,It's to be 1330AM Lisence#161506 at FCC Web site. No word on what is going to be the formate or when it will start Brodcasting. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 21 12:07:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78683 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 20:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2004 20:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 20:06:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2004 20:06:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:06:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <22031-405D5CEB-2251@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 344 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.7 Subject: Re: [ ABDX ] KEVA DX test 4/21/04 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > on 1240 Khz, Also Coast to Coast AM on another station , a > partial call WH?? Any ideas?? Stations on 1240 kHz in the USA & Canada with "WH" in their call letters include: WHBU Anderson, IN (Talk) WHFA Poynette, WI (Religious) WHIZ Zanesville, OH (Adult Contemporary) WHMQ Greenfield, MA (News/Talk) WHVN Charlotte, NC (Religious) From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Mar 21 13:06:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69010 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 21:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2004 21:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 21:06:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:06:50 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:06:49 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:06:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2004 21:06:50.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DB7FDC0:01C40F88] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.77 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AM Station in Ocala,Fl. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 The new Ocala station on 1330 will probablyl be 1000 watts max, unless their directional with a null to the south....since there's is a station in Lakeland, 80 miles south of Ocala on the same frequency. It will be interesting to see if it will be something other than a talk or sports station; if it's a sports station it will be competing with WMOP, 900 the am stereo station with the pilot light, but no separation. Donn, St Petersburg St Petersburg ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Francisco Guzman" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} New AM Station in Ocala,Fl. Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:20:55 -0000 A New AM Station is being build in Ocala,Florida. Calle letters have not ben posted yet,It's to be 1330AM Lisence#161506 at FCC Web site. No word on what is going to be the formate or when it will start Brodcasting. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 21 13:55:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58119 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 21:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2004 21:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 21:55:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2004 21:55:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:55:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1052 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.7 Subject: Another 50 kW clear channel may soon be gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics 1170 WWVA in Wheeling, WV has plans to move to Stow, Ohio (between Cleveland and Akron), with 50 kW daytime but only 27 kW at night. If this goes through, then WWVA will joing 1190 WOWO as another Midwest station that will no longer have a true 50 kW 'clear channel' nighttime signal. I suppose they will be downgraded to Class B, too, because except in Alaska, Class A stations are required to be 50 kW full-time... right? Meanwhile, northern NJ may soon be gaining a 50 kW AM station -- during daytime hours, at least. Long Island's 740 WGSM has applied to move to Mt. Olive, NJ, with 50 kW daytime-only from a 6-tower array in Northwestern NJ (near Hackettstown). It will be interesting to see how this will affect, or will be affected *by*, neighboring 710 WOR's use of IBOC. If WGSM began using IBOC as well, then there would only be a 500 Hz gap between the upper edge of WOR's signal and the lower edge of WGSM's signal.... would that cause selectivity problems on an IBOC receiver tuned to either signal? We shall see.... From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Mar 21 16:50:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34959 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 00:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 00:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 00:50:34 -0000 Received: from dialup-67.31.210.87.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([67.31.210.87] helo=earthlink.net) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B5DeD-00057m-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:50:34 -0800 Message-ID: <405E3868.B3C5394B@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:50:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.48 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another 50 kW clear channel may soon be gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WWVA is a classic giant in the eastern United States. After WSM in Nashville, it was *the* major country music station on the eastern seaboard, and it covered the entire seaboard. It was receivable any night in Tampa where I grew up. It was a badge of honor for any country (or "hillbilly") performer to be able to classify themselves as having been a regular on WWVA. Just like the reduction in power of WOWO (a classic Top-40 station), the reduction and relocation of WWVA is a travesty. Dick W. "Kevin T." wrote: > 1170 WWVA in Wheeling, WV has plans to move to Stow, Ohio (between > Cleveland and Akron), with 50 kW daytime but only 27 kW at night. > > If this goes through, then WWVA will joing 1190 WOWO as another > Midwest station that will no longer have a true 50 kW 'clear channel' > nighttime signal. I suppose they will be downgraded to Class B, too, > because except in Alaska, Class A stations are required to be 50 kW > full-time... right? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Mar 21 17:17:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91075 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 01:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 01:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 01:17:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20040322011734.53666.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.102] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:17:34 PST Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:17:34 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kerry Richards wrote: > This new technology is on the way and we need to > learn all about it > and how to deal with it. As far as any flea power > AM's going away, I > would not count on it. The recent filing window at > the FCC took in a > lot of applications for the AM band. In fact in one > report I saw they > said it was an unexpected amount. So that kinda says > it all, AM radio > still is vital. With or without HD.. True, but if you want to be realllly honest IBOC is not "NEW TECHNOLOGY". This stuff has been around for years. Computers this old would be on the scrap heap. Digital stuff is moving along so fast as to make your head spin. > When I was in Boston last week I took a look at > WBZ's sidebands with > the field strength meter, it is amazing to me how > such low power > sidebands look through an efficient array. This led > me to understand > the issue of the really powerful AGC in the average > radio. In my > Hummer WBZ sounds fine, and I could get the > sidebands all the way to > Hartford and beyond on my way home. I did not have > an IBOC radio with > me, but after starting to read Ibiquity's filing > with the FCC, I am > starting to get a feel how HD will behave as more > stations start > using it. I will tell you that I have NO faith in Ibiquity as they have lied so much in the past. I will have to wait to see what it really is like. > One of the reasons HD is so popular with > Broadcasters is because it > does solve the noisy environment issue, which no one > else is trying > to fix. Those LED traffic lights are a real problem, > especially > outside the Metro area. Do you see them going away? > No they are > adding more of them, it's a nightmare. It's almost > like we are making > noise to eliminate noise.... I don't know of ANY broadcasters that it's popular with except you and now of course Infinity, since now "Mr. IBOC" has joined them. I've seen lots of LED lights, and even now yellow ones, and not even a fizz...EVEN tuned to a blank spot on the dial. > Right now the only tool we have as broadcasters to > solve some of these issues is HD radio. No it is NOT! > We also heard that equipment is on order for WCTC, > so how will HD > behave on a 1kw station? Going to get really > interesting soon. > Kerry..... Yes, lets take everyone on 1230 and 1240 IBOC full time and lets see what REALLLLLLY happens. Side note, I left WKDK. I don't expect any of the "graveyarders" to survive. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Mar 21 17:27:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78827 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 01:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 01:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 01:27:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20040322012730.63300.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.102] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:27:30 PST Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:27:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Kerry Richards wrote: > > > But, WOR has sold tens of thousands of Bose Wave > Radios and CC > Radios. In fact any advertiser who wants to sell > radios has come to > WOR, we have a perfect upscale demo for radio sales. > I'm sure when HD > radios are ready to be marketed WOR will play an > important role, > since we have a proven track record. Well the CC radio for around $160 is not a good radio. The FM is just plain mediocre. The AM though reasonably sensitive just sounds like mud. Yes I have one. As for the Bose, the FM is decent, and sounds good, but they surely could have put a much better AM section in it. Especially for the price they charge for it. And it's made right up the road from me. > On the several wideband radio complaints we have > had, we have found > that the majority of the radios may recieve some > hiss, but usually it > is not that loud, and then it becomes a matter of > how loud it is... > most times this issue is resolved throwing the radio > in the DX mode > or the narrow mode. When driving through Atlanta, I actually could hear the IBOC noise on the 1160 when they had a momentary pause. But the analog audio on the Ford Ranger was just plain horrid to listen to. > The problem here is that we shut off the IBOC at 6PM > each nite. This > nut still complains and stirs up other crazies who > make the same > complaints or worse. Like the nut who called me last > week to tell me > WOR was interfering with WLW all night long. When I > explained to him, > WOR does not broadcast HD Radio at nite, he told me > it was something > else we must be doing.... WSAI, has been leaving the IBOC on until way after sunset, their DA time is sunset in CA. When going through Nashville there was a high pitches hiss on WLAC [1510] from WSAI. I am sure Mike Gideon is not pleased. > Look, I drive a Hummer H-2, it has no HD Radio, and > I'll probably > wait a long time until I get one I like and at a > price I like. In the > meantime I listen to WOR in the analog mode. I have a Ranger truck, and it will be a very long time before I get a new one, and with 162,000 miles on it, I'd be wary about putting a HD radio in it. On my 4,000 mile trip I got OK mileage. I would not like to have driven a H-2 that far, but where my friend lives in New Mexico if it rains a bit or there's a good snow in winter the H-2 would be the one to get down that gooooooey muddy road. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Mar 21 17:56:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54064 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 01:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 01:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.117) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 01:56:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:56:13 -0800 Received: from 172.166.215.72 by bay99-dav13.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:12 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: , References: <707031098-1463792638-1079917867@boing.topica.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:43:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2004 01:56:13.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[DACEC060:01C40FB0] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.117 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.166.215.72] Subject: Re: (AM Stereo) Fwd: Re: {AMSF} Analod Isn;'t going away X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Richard Wagoner wrote: >CD players were $700; now they are $50. Hmmm, BSW sells the Denon DNC635 for $499.00 (MSRP $639), that is about what I paid for my now well worn mid 1980s vintage Denon CD player with about the same features as the new one. http://www.bswusa.com/prod_item.asp?item=DNC635 The $50 CD-DVD players sound horrible and have a *VERY* short life if used frequently. The ONLY mass-market brand CD players I have seen that will hold up in radio station use is the upper level Technics units...and they die much faster than the Denons. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Mar 21 18:35:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48246 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 02:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 02:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 02:35:05 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040322023505.MGWQ24651.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:35:05 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:35:08 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <891BB06E-7BA9-11D8-AE85-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.244 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: (AM Stereo) Fwd: Re: {AMSF} Analod Isn;'t going away X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday, March 21, 2004, at 05:43 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Richard Wagoner wrote: > >CD players=A0 were $700; now they are $50. > > Hmmm, BSW sells the Denon DNC635 for $499.00 (MSRP $639), that is=20 > about what > I paid for my now well worn mid 1980s vintage Denon CD player with=20 > about the > same features as the new one. $499 in 1985 is about $1200 today. > > The $50 CD-DVD players sound horrible and have a *VERY* short life if=20 > used > frequently. The ONLY mass-market brand CD players I have seen that=20 > will hold > up in radio station use is the upper level Technics units...and they=20 > die > much faster than the Denons. Consumers are easier on CD players than radio stations. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From castellano105@yahoo.com Sun Mar 21 20:01:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29782 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 04:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 04:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 04:01:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2004 04:00:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:00:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 260 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 207.30.163.179 Subject: 1330 AM Ocala Fl. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 1330 khz AM Class:B DA2-Directional Antenna 2 towers in directional array Power: 2.6 kilowatts daytime. Licensee; Truth Broadcasting Corporation. Religious Formate. Nighttime power:0.69 kilowatts. This is all the information I have accumalated From THE FCC. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 21 20:12:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 119 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 04:12:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 04:12:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 04:12:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2004 04:12:34 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85281 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 04:05:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 04:05:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 04:05:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2004 04:05:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:05:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040322011734.53666.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1811 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.218 Subject: Re: idea for AM band digital transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 22 Mar 2004 04:12:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > I will tell you that I have NO faith in Ibiquity as > they have lied so much in the past. I will have to > wait to see what it really is like. Ever since Lucent incorporated after the AT&T breakup, they have had a string of fiascos and a very poor record on Wall Street. IBOC is their gamble on a last-minute success, and if anything from the past is indicative, this will be that one disaster that just might take down Lucent. The one technology I like that has come out of AT&T/Lucent is DjVu, which still has support, and is available for most platforms, but is otherwise relatively unknown, even though it outdoes Adobe's PDF format in quality and compression. Again, yet another fiasco. At least LizardTech bought it out of AT&T/Lucent. > I've seen lots of LED lights, and even now yellow > ones, and not even a fizz...EVEN tuned to a blank > spot on the dial. Same here. > > Right now the only tool we have as broadcasters to > > solve some of these issues is HD radio. > > No it is NOT! I quite agree with Powell, here. There are SEVERAL routes to go, especially on the receiver side, with Symphony (and other DSP schemes) and Omega, which doesn't depend on DSP. (Don't ask me how- I don't know.) On the transmitter side, there are numerous ways to improve signal quality, especially to reduce IPM across a wide enough spectrum to be usable, one way being an option is, of course, AM stereo, especially C-QUAM. And there's even an RDS-type scheme that is compatible with C- QUAM, but has rarely been used in the US. So.... What's IBOC's added value? > Side note, I left WKDK. I don't expect any of the > "graveyarders" to survive. Sadly, I'm in agreement with you. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 21 20:26:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27036 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 04:26:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 04:26:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 04:26:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2004 04:26:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:26:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040322012730.63300.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 887 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.7 Subject: Re: HD Carriers and Sidebands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WSAI, has been leaving the IBOC on until way after > sunset, their DA time is sunset in CA. When going > through Nashville there was a high pitches hiss on > WLAC [1510] from WSAI. I am sure Mike Gideon is not > pleased. By the way, I can find no evidence that WSAI has any authority from the FCC to conduct these nighttime IBOC tests... their Special Temporary Authority to test IBOC expired last year, and has not been renewed. They also have not filed a Digital Notification with the FCC, which stations are supposed to do once they begin regular IBOC transmissions. But with over 1300 new applications to process (all from the recent AM "filing window"), I think the FCC's regulatory enforcement will be virtually non-existent for the near future... unless, of course, it involves 'indecency' of some kind, in which case swift action and a hefty fine will result.... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 21 20:39:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83209 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 04:39:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 04:39:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 04:39:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2004 04:39:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:39:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 954 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.7 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Analog Isn't going away X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Hmmm, BSW sells the Denon DNC635 for $499.00 (MSRP $639), that is > about what I paid for my now well worn mid 1980s vintage Denon CD > player with about the same features as the new one. My oldest CD player is from 1987... it cost me all of $2.00 at a flea market a few years ago. After repairing a plastic gear with a piece of Scotch tape, it works perfectly and sounds fine. It was made before CD-ROMs became popular, so if you put a CD-ROM in it, it tries to 'play' the data tracks and you get a blast of white noise! > The $50 CD-DVD players sound horrible and have a *VERY* short life > if used frequently. I bought an Apex for $50... it is very very cheaply made, and even suffers from a painfully slow microprocessor... if you press a button on the remote control, it takes at least a few seconds to respond. I don't use it that much, but if I was using it to play CDs and watch DVDs every night, it probably would be dead by now. From dav259@csiro.au Sun Mar 21 20:43:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43252 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 04:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 04:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 04:43:09 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2M4h1Kb008849 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:43:07 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:43:01 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: 2CC in stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Please update the radio station page to list 2CC - 1206 AM STEREO Canberra, ACT, Australia (Talk) as full stereo - not pilot only. It seems though Sydney's 2UE doesn't broadcast in stereo it does supply its regional affiliates with a stereo feed - as some of them are FMS stations. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 21 22:22:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86194 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 06:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 06:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 06:22:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2004 06:22:07 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62452 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 06:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 06:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 06:06:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2004 06:06:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:06:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 647 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.222 Subject: Re: 2CC in stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 22 Mar 2004 06:22:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > Please update the radio station page to list > > 2CC - 1206 AM STEREO Canberra, ACT, Australia (Talk) > > as full stereo - not pilot only. Now, if we could just get a recording of 2CC..... > It seems though Sydney's 2UE doesn't broadcast in stereo it does supply > its regional affiliates with a stereo feed - as some of them are FMS > stations. Ironic, since 2UE was one of Oz's original crop of AMS stations in the mid 1980s, back at a time when it was Top-40. (I have a banner ad somewhere when someone got me a Sydney paper from '85.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From richard_clarke_au@yahoo.com Sun Mar 21 23:02:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: richard_clarke_au@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61162 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 07:02:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 07:02:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 07:02:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2004 07:02:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 07:01:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 451 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "richard_clarke_au" X-Originating-IP: 144.137.7.39 Subject: Yamaha T-420A X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=144350137 X-Yahoo-Profile: richard_clarke_au Hi Gang after finally buying one of the Sensational AM Stereo transmitter kits from Chris Cuff I have been lucky enough to get my hands on a Yamaha T0420A tuner. WOW, I always thought AM Stereo rocked but now, I am truly amazed, the Yamaha Tuner even makes crappy AM Mono sound clean bright. Thanks again Chris... btw feel free to email me the antenna info for the TX again as I have lost the peice of paper that came with the kit :( clarkie From richard_clarke_au@yahoo.com Sun Mar 21 23:04:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: richard_clarke_au@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18611 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 07:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 07:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 07:04:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2004 07:04:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 07:04:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 949 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "richard_clarke_au" X-Originating-IP: 144.137.7.39 Subject: Re: 2CC in stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=144350137 X-Yahoo-Profile: richard_clarke_au --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson > wrote: > > > > Please update the radio station page to list > > > > 2CC - 1206 AM STEREO Canberra, ACT, Australia (Talk) > > > > as full stereo - not pilot only. > > Now, if we could just get a recording of 2CC..... > > > It seems though Sydney's 2UE doesn't broadcast in stereo it does > supply > > its regional affiliates with a stereo feed - as some of them are FMS > > stations. > > Ironic, since 2UE was one of Oz's original crop of AMS stations in > the mid 1980s, back at a time when it was Top-40. (I have a banner ad > somewhere when someone got me a Sydney paper from '85.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ thats sad, last time I was in NSW around 2000 - 2001 2UE were still in AM Stereo and sounding great.... they must have been bitten by the Southern Cross bug when bought.... pity From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Mar 22 07:46:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13790 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 15:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 15:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 15:46:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2004 15:46:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:46:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 273 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 66.138.75.79 Subject: console "floor" radio conversions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Since REALLY old console radios have the power supply connected to the speaker, how does this make a conversion to AM Stereo more difficult for these radios? As usual, package your responses in "Electronics for Dummies" vernacular, please! thanks, Douglas B. DeepCoffee From bradleyj2@aol.com Mon Mar 22 10:38:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53718 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 18:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 18:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 18:38:53 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r1.2.) id r.9d.45f92ef5 (16099); Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d15.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.131]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id MAILINID113-3ee3405f329a191; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:38:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:38:18 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <26D92537.105FAC55.022E759B@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 216.108.210.98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.9 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Station in Ocala,Fl. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 I just got back home from a weekend trip to Lakeland, FL, to see my grandparents. Besides the AM Stereo Visteon in my Focus, I took along my SRF-42 and tape deck. I can confirm that WMOP 900 is pilot only. Of course modt of the programming is mono from the bird. But even their local spots and legal ID were all dead center mono. In Lakeland, WONN is mono. Even though their ad in the yellow pages, www page, and billboards say stereo. I tooka pic of the stereo billboard just for laughs. I thought that maybe they were running stereo with no pilot. But listening on my SRF-42 revealed no seperation. I ran a 60minute tape of them...I'm going to try listening thru headphones for a closer listen just in case. WWBF in Lakeland DOES light up the stereo light in the car, playing what sounds like oldies off the bird (contest with an 800 number). But I didn't hear any stereo here either. I also ran a 60 minute tape on WWBF, so I'll listen closer when I get a chance. I did see their web page (http://www.wwbf.com/info.htm) says they are stereo since 1985, and even have a copy of Kevin's AM Stereo logo. I'll post when I can listen to the tapes closer. And if anyone wants a copy, just let me know. - Brad Jackson - Afternoon Drive/Imaging Director - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL - http://www.wkmx.com In a message dated 3/21/2004 4:06:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, florida_amstereo@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > The new Ocala station on 1330 will probablyl be 1000 watts max, unless their > directional with a null to the south....since there's is a station in > Lakeland, 80 miles south of Ocala on the same frequency. > > It will be interesting to see if it will be something other than a talk or > sports station; if it's a sports station it will be competing with WMOP, 900 > the am stereo station with the pilot light, but no separation. > > Donn, > St Petersburg > St Petersburg > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Francisco Guzman" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} New AM Station in Ocala,Fl. > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:20:55 -0000 > > A New AM Station is being build in Ocala,Florida. Calle letters have > not ben posted yet,It's > to be 1330AM Lisence#161506 at FCC Web site. No word on what is going > to be the > formate or when it will start Brodcasting. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE > download! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Listen to Internet Radio! Access to your favorite Artists! > Click to listen to LAUNCHcast now! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/7ZDxEA/GARHAA/kkyPAA/CPMolB/TM > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Mar 22 11:45:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42713 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 19:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 19:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41207.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 19:45:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20040322194506.21033.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.28.83] by web41207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:45:06 PST Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:45:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1079952816.2840.98162.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.40 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2UE 954AM booms into Auckland New Zealand at night here,appears to be stronger than the 2GB signal on 873 and 2UE often overpowers groundwave semi local Radio Pacific Hamilton at night. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Message: 14 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:43:01 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Davidson Subject: 2CC in stereo It seems though Sydney's 2UE doesn't broadcast in stereo it does supply its regional affiliates with a stereo feed - as some of them are FMS stations. === message truncated === Michael&Ross Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 22 16:23:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82830 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 00:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 00:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 00:23:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2004 00:21:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 00:21:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1674 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.3 Subject: Re: console "floor" radio conversions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Since REALLY old console radios have the power supply connected to > the speaker, how does this make a conversion to AM Stereo more > difficult for these radios? As long as the AM Stereo decoder is kept insulated from the radio's chassis, there should be no trouble. With old tube radios, the IF signal is strong enough that no direct electrical connection to the decoder is necessary -- you just wrap a few turns of _insulated_ wire around a pin on the IF transformer, and that's more than enough to pick up the radio's IF signal (typically 455 kHz) for the decoder to use. If the radio does not have a stereo sound system, I would keep the existing mono amplifier and built-in speaker to serve as a "center channel" speaker if desired, and then simply provide an output jack from the AM Stereo decoder to reproduce the received stereo audio through an external amplifier and stereo sound system of your choice. However, if you plan to remove the existing mono speaker and install a built-in stereo amplifier and speakers into the radio's cabinet, then you will have to check the schematic to see how the existing speaker is used in the circuit. Some old radios use an "electro- dynamic" speaker, which requires a power supply to operate, as you say. But even in that case, the speaker can be removed if not needed, with little or no modification needed. A friend of mine had one of the last console radio/phonographs made by Magnavox in the early 1970s, and with its powerful amplifier and large speaker system, it provided magnificent stereo sound. We just had to be careful carrying it from room to room, because those things weigh a ton! From cbreton27@hotmail.com Mon Mar 22 16:56:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11009 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 00:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 00:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.157) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 00:33:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:33:14 -0800 Received: from 67.71.151.221 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 00:33:14 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:33:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2004 00:33:14.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D8EF970:01C4106E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.157 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [67.71.151.221] Subject: Information X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi, i'm looking to buy one of these radios. Any clues ?? SANGEAN SR-66 AIWA HS-JX636D CR-D60 CR-DS805 SANYO MW-250 SONY CFS-6000 SRF-A1 SRF-A300 SRF-AX51V SRF-42 SRF-M100 SRF-A100 PANASONIC RF-HS90 REALISTIC TM-152 Anybody selling one of those radio ?? Let me know !! desperately looking for a am stereo portable radio since a couple of month. Chris breton cbreton27@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Mar 22 17:55:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71458 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 01:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 01:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 01:55:01 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2N1t0sP005847 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:55:00 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2N1sie1008865 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:54:44 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2N1siaC008851 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:54:44 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:54:44 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDB60@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:54:35 +1100 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Information X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Hi Christian, You can by the SRF-A300, SRF-AX51V and SRF-AX15 on www.audiocubes.com Very reasonable pricing and fast International Shipping. Regards, Matt -----Original Message----- From: christian breton [mailto:cbreton27@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2004 10:33 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Information Hi, i'm looking to buy one of these radios. Any clues ?? SANGEAN SR-66 AIWA HS-JX636D CR-D60 CR-DS805 SANYO MW-250 SONY CFS-6000 SRF-A1 SRF-A300 SRF-AX51V SRF-42 SRF-M100 SRF-A100 PANASONIC RF-HS90 REALISTIC TM-152 Anybody selling one of those radio ?? Let me know !! desperately looking for a am stereo portable radio since a couple of month. Chris breton cbreton27@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Mar 22 17:56:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75898 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 01:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 01:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 01:56:33 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11) id i2N1uF18090098 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:56:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001a01c4107a$072fbc80$6601a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:53:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another 50 kW clear channel may soon be gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > 1170 WWVA in Wheeling, WV has plans to move to Stow, Ohio (between > Cleveland and Akron), with 50 kW daytime but only 27 kW at night. > > If this goes through, then WWVA will joing 1190 WOWO as another > Midwest station that will no longer have a true 50 kW 'clear channel' > nighttime signal. I suppose they will be downgraded to Class B, too, > because except in Alaska, Class A stations are required to be 50 kW > full-time... right? Who's benefiting from the downgrading of WWVA? Someone, somewhere will get a power increase at night with the downgrading of WWVA. WWVA was one of several Class 2A clear channels (that category doesn't exist any more, they are now just class A's), meaning that they shared the frequency with another station at night. Other 2A's were WCFL (shared 1000 kHz with KOMO Seattle), WOWO (shared 1190 kHz with KEX Portland) and WLAC (which shared 1510 kHz with KGA in Spokane). There were others. In the case of WOWO, they were downgraded to a Class B to benefit WLIB in New York getting a decent night-time pattern. WWVA's co-channel partner on 1170 is KVOO in Tulsa. Whoever is benefiting from WWVA downgrading to a Class B must still protect KVOO in Tulsa. Living in Central Indiana, I am passionate about the loss of Indiana's only Clear Channel station (WOWO). WLIB has not increased their market share one iota since they got their night-time power so nobody has benefited yet Indiana was a big loser. I still get WOWO during the day but at night they are completely lost in the noise. I realize that the ground conductivity in Ft Wayne isn't the best in the world, but they used to put a fairly good signal in Indianapolis 24/7. Now you can't even hear them at night. When you look at all of the bad things that have happened to radio since the beginning of deregulation in the early 80's, I consider the downgrading of WOWO to be the biggest travesty committed (even more so than IBOC). Of course the skywave coverage of the Class A's will mean squat when IBOC gets fired up, but that's a different story. I don't grieve for the class A's but I will soon grieve for WKWH, 1520 kHz in Shelbyville Indiana which won't even be able to serve their COL at night when WSAI (1530 kHz) and WLAC (1510 kHz) go IBOC 24/7. Even during the daytime the WSAI hash could be heard within the city-grade contour of WKWH, but I digress. WKWH might as well turn in their license as they will be utterly worthless, especially if THEY decide to go with IBOC. From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Mar 22 18:17:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11290 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 02:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 02:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.119) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 02:17:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:17:38 -0800 Received: from 172.159.115.59 by bay99-dav15.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 02:17:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <001a01c4107a$072fbc80$6601a8c0@jimspc> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:04:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2004 02:17:38.0395 (UTC) FILETIME=[033492B0:01C4107D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.119 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.159.115.59] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another 50 kW clear channel may soon be gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jim Burgan wrote: > When you look at all of the bad things that have happened to radio since the beginning of deregulation in the early 80's, I consider the downgrading of WOWO to be the biggest travesty committed I agree 100%! WOWO was the last of the great 50KW music stations. I used to work 3rd shift and spent all night listening to Chris Underwood playing great music in AM Stereo. I am sure that the radio gods will see to it that those involved with the slaughter of WOWO will burn in "Radio Hell" forever more. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Mar 22 18:39:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19318 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 02:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 02:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 02:39:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2004 02:38:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 02:38:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001a01c4107a$072fbc80$6601a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 774 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.79 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another 50 kW clear channel may soon be gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > Who's benefiting from the downgrading of WWVA? Someone, somewhere >will get a power increase at night with the downgrading of WWVA. Unless this is a 2 step application and we don't see the other part of it yet. . > I still get WOWO during the day but at night they are completely lost in the > noise. > I realize that the ground conductivity in Ft Wayne isn't the best in the > world, but they used to put a fairly good signal in Indianapolis 24/7. Actually the Fort Wayne conductivity is good, but it's like a foot. Indianapolis does not have NEARLY as good conductivity. Now > you can't even hear them at night. That's likely due to the much tighter nulls too. Powell From dav259@csiro.au Mon Mar 22 19:24:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44881 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 03:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 03:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 03:24:21 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2N3OIKb016638 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:24:20 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:24:17 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: stereo - no pilot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Could someone please write a couple of short lines to technically say how it's possible to be in stereo without the pilot on. thanks > > SEN isnt in Stereo (and why would they with their current sound > > quality), 3KND is also Mono, along with 3MP (not the first time > > I hear) > SEN is in stereo. Most of their bumper fade-in/out music is in > stereo. > > For the last few years (prior to the move from 1503 to 1116) 3AK > has been in full stereo - but the stereo pilot has never been on. *** If the pilot is not on then the reception cannot be stereo! From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Mar 22 19:56:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29599 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 03:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 03:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 03:56:02 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2N3s0sR016967 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:54:00 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2N3rHT9024107 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:53:18 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2N3rHps024102 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:53:17 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:53:17 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDB64@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:53:15 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} stereo - no pilot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day Ian, The 25hz pilot tone is generated by a module inside the AM Stereo exciter (which is either a standalone unit such as a Motorola 1300 or built into the transmitter like some of the newer Nautels). The pilot tone is normally switchable, so the engineer can temporarily stop radios from entering stereo mode while working on the exciter, etc. Normally you would leave the pilot enabled if you have stereo audio feeding the exciter. (I have noticed stations that simply turn the pilot off when they are only feeding the exciter mono audio instead of removing it completely from the TX chain - obviously this is less work and quite effective except for the forced stereo radios out there that are fortunate enough to get "fake stereo" in the form of platform motion! The pilot tone is designed to trigger AM Stereo operation in receivers that generally comply with the Motorola reference designs (eg Genuine Motorola AM Stereo chipsets) On these radios stereo will normally not be received without the 25hz pilot tone, *unless* they have a switch to force stereo mode on. Some manufacturers, mostly Sony, have decided to forgo the use of a 25hz pilot detector circuit (or bypassed it altogether), to create a "forced stereo" mode in some of their pocket receivers such as the SRF-42 / SRF-A1/A100 etc. This means that the decoder is permanently in AM Stereo mode and as long as a CQUAM encoded signal is being transmitted, it is received in stereo. So this is why it is possible to receive AM Stereo without a pilot - the pilot is not actually used to transmit any stereo audio, just as an indicator to the receiver that a stereo broadcast is available. I hope this is easy to follow! Cheers Matt -----Original Message----- From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2004 1:24 PM To: amstereoforum Subject: {AMSF} stereo - no pilot Could someone please write a couple of short lines to technically say how it's possible to be in stereo without the pilot on. thanks > > SEN isnt in Stereo (and why would they with their current sound > > quality), 3KND is also Mono, along with 3MP (not the first time > > I hear) > SEN is in stereo. Most of their bumper fade-in/out music is in > stereo. > > For the last few years (prior to the move from 1503 to 1116) 3AK > has been in full stereo - but the stereo pilot has never been on. *** If the pilot is not on then the reception cannot be stereo! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From aussiejon80@hotmail.com Mon Mar 22 20:22:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aussiejon80@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97126 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 04:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 04:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 04:21:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2004 04:21:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:21:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 704 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "John" X-Originating-IP: 203.202.110.137 Subject: Australian AWA Model PU9123C Car AMS Cassette Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109114695 X-Yahoo-Profile: aussiejon80 Hi all, I'm new member to group. Yesterday I picked up an AWA Model PU9123C Car AMS cassette radio. (For $AU5.00)This is the local Australian market equivalent to the Clarion 9425RT. Can anyone tell me what the AMS decoder IC is used for this unit? The radio section consists of a number of blocks which are enclosed in metal shields which makes it impossible to see inside. It seems to be my lucky week as a few days ago I picked up my first AMS Tuner --a Teac T-30. Up until now I've used an old wideband tuner modified with a AMS Decoder module which was made up from a kit about 14 years ago. There are no local AMS stations where I live but often I can pick up AMS stations at night. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 22 20:43:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74776 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 04:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 04:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 04:43:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2004 04:41:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:41:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1322 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.3 Subject: Re: stereo - no pilot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Could someone please write a couple of short lines to technically > say how it's possible to be in stereo without the pilot on. An AM Stereo pilot tone is like the flag on a mailbox. Just as a raised mailbox flag is used to indicate the presence of outgoing mail waiting to be picked up, an AM Stereo pilot tone is advertising the fact that the station is capable of transmitting stereo audio. However, just as some postal carriers will routinely stop at every mailbox whether or not the flag is raised, some AM Stereo receivers do not pay attention to the pilot tone and will receive the station in stereo mode, regardless if it actually broadcasts in AM Stereo or not. Some testing and adjustment of an AM Stereo exciter must be done with the pilot tone switched off. If the engineer forgets to switch the pilot tone back on after these tests are complete, the station may then be broadcasting in AM Stereo, but with no pilot tone. That's like putting outgoing mail in your mailbox, but not raising the flag. Receivers that depend on a pilot tone to switch into stereo mode will thus only receive this pilot-less station in mono, but "forced stereo" receivers (such as by Sony) won't notice any difference, since they can receive in AM Stereo mode regardless if a pilot tone is detected or not. From dav259@csiro.au Mon Mar 22 21:00:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53940 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 05:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 05:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 05:00:57 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2N502Kb021023 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:00:03 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:00:02 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDB64@aubwm206> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: RE: {AMSF} stereo - no pilot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Trim, Matthew L wrote: > So this is why it is possible to receive AM Stereo without a pilot - the > pilot is not actually used to transmit any stereo audio, just as an > indicator to the receiver that a stereo broadcast is available. Ahah - so it is possible that some AMS receivers couldn't pick 3AK up in stereo because the pilot is switched off. 3AK has never bothered turning the pilot on ever since commissioning its new Nautel stereo transmitter three years ago. And didn't bother with it on its former one either (whilst on 1503) for several years previously. Yet it's been in stereo for a number of years. I know the engineer doesn't like AMS but you'd think he'd flick the switch! My Sony tuner picks 3AK up in stereo - when the stereo switch is on (but not lit) and the mono light goes out. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 00:54:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26818 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 08:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 08:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 08:54:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2004 08:54:04 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91172 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 05:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 05:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 05:52:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2004 05:50:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 05:50:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDB64@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1395 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.84 Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo - no pilot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 23 Mar 2004 08:54:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Some manufacturers, mostly Sony, have decided to forgo the use of a 25hz > pilot detector circuit (or bypassed it altogether), to create a "forced > stereo" mode in some of their pocket receivers such as the SRF-42 / > SRF-A1/A100 etc. This means that the decoder is permanently in AM Stereo > mode and as long as a CQUAM encoded signal is being transmitted, it is > received in stereo. Well, not entirely true, as the chips used in the A1/A100/42, and numerous other Sony models are in fact multimode detectors set in a pretty-much-permanent QuAM mode that also works with AM/PM and AM/FM systems by detecting the difference as quadrature AM. Essentially, they're nothing more than synchronous detectors, of which they still use in some of their shortwave radios (such as the long-lived 2010/2001D model). Only more recently has Sony been using a newer chipset that does indeed detect C-QUAM as intended with true pilot detection. This may be a result of Sony's buyout of Aiwa just a few years back. That should explain some of the behavior of certain forced-stereo radios. And yes, you can force a Motorola chip into forced-stereo mode by changing the value of a part going to one of the pins, I believe. I forget which and how, exactly, so forgive this poor mouse. :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 08:20:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79747 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 16:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 16:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 16:07:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2004 16:06:16 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64394 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 10:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 10:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 10:02:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2004 10:02:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:02:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDB64@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1509 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.114 Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo - no pilot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 23 Mar 2004 16:06:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > > The pilot tone is designed to trigger AM Stereo operation in receivers that > generally comply with the Motorola reference designs (eg Genuine Motorola AM > Stereo chipsets) On these radios stereo will normally not be received > without the 25hz pilot tone, *unless* they have a switch to force stereo > mode on. Just an added note that to understand the role of the pilot tone (and why some radios, namely the Sonys, except for the most recent), it should be compared to the role of the 19kHz pilot tone for FM stereo (15kHz for the US's MTS TV stereo). In FM, the pilot serves two purposes: (a) as a "flag", as KT mentioned, and (b) as the source carrier for the suppressed-carrier, dual-sideband (ie: pilotless AM) L-R channel, which is on the pilot's first harmonic. This means the pilot is integral to the demodulation and decoding of FM stereo, and you can't truly have a pilotless FM stereo station. For AM stereo, the pilot tone is NOT integral in the function of the stereo detection and decoding, but only as, as KT put it, a "flag". Since it only serves that one purpose, having it on or off does not interfere with the normal operation of the stereo broadcast, excep to allow or prevent C-QUAM decoders with pilot detectors (such as Motorola and Toshiba) from receiving stereo. As far as I know, only the Sony and National chips didn't rely on pilot detector circuits. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 10:12:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20849 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 17:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 17:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 17:51:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20040323173341.53768.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.116] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:33:41 PST Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:33:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Sony Radios was forced stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > Well, not entirely true, as the chips used in the > A1/A100/42, and > numerous other Sony models are in fact multimode > detectors set in a > pretty-much-permanent QuAM mode that also works with > AM/PM and AM/FM > systems by detecting the difference as quadrature > AM. Essentially, > they're nothing more than synchronous detectors, of > which they still > use in some of their shortwave radios (such as the > long-lived > 2010/2001D model). Unfortunately the 2010 is gone. The ICF-7600GR is the only one in a reasonable price range, and though it has a sync detector, I hear it's not as good as the 2010's. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 10:57:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83097 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 18:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 18:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 18:47:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2004 18:46:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:46:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 635 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo - no pilot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As far as I know, only the Sony and National chips didn't rely on > pilot detector circuits. I believe Leonard Kahn's "Stereo, Stereo" receiver operated in forced ISB stereo mode on AM. Don't know what kind of decoder chip he used, though -- but he was fond of taking an MC13020 and modifying it to receive his system. Many -- if not all -- of Sony's AM Stereo decoder designs do include a pilot tone detector feature, but they only choose to use it on their digital-tuning radios. AFAIK, all of their dial-tuning AM Stereo receivers -- including the recent ones available at AudioCubes -- operate in forced Stereo mode. From cbreton27@hotmail.com Tue Mar 23 10:57:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71483 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 18:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 18:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.140) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 18:57:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:57:43 -0800 Received: from 67.70.114.175 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:57:43 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:57:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2004 18:57:43.0608 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9197380:01C41108] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.140 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [67.70.114.175] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Information X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi Matt, I'M a new member, i really enjoy that forum. Thanks for the advise, i was aware of that news. I'm still searching... Chris >From: "Trim, Matthew L" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" >Subject: RE: {AMSF} Information >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:54:35 +1100 > >Hi Christian, > >You can by the SRF-A300, SRF-AX51V and SRF-AX15 on www.audiocubes.com > >Very reasonable pricing and fast International Shipping. > >Regards, > >Matt > > >-----Original Message----- >From: christian breton [mailto:cbreton27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2004 10:33 AM >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Information > > >Hi, > > >i'm looking to buy one of these radios. Any clues ?? > >SANGEAN SR-66 >AIWA HS-JX636D > CR-D60 > CR-DS805 > >SANYO MW-250 >SONY CFS-6000 > SRF-A1 > SRF-A300 > SRF-AX51V > SRF-42 > SRF-M100 > SRF-A100 >PANASONIC RF-HS90 >REALISTIC TM-152 > >Anybody selling one of those radio ?? >Let me know !! desperately looking for a am stereo portable radio >since a couple of month. > >Chris breton cbreton27@hotmail.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! >http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Mar 23 15:40:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8307 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 23:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 23:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 23:34:01 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2NNW0sN005795 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:32:00 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2NNVbov030673 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:31:38 +1100 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2NNVbuK030668 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:31:37 +1100 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:31:37 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDB66@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:31:34 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} stereo - no pilot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 The SRF-AX15 actually has a mono/stereo switch on the back that switches the decoder chip. There is an increased bandwidth in the stereo mode, and being forced this means it helps the sound on even mono stations. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 4:46 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo - no pilot Many -- if not all -- of Sony's AM Stereo decoder designs do include a pilot tone detector feature, but they only choose to use it on their digital-tuning radios. AFAIK, all of their dial-tuning AM Stereo receivers -- including the recent ones available at AudioCubes -- operate in forced Stereo mode. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 16:12:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30312 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2004 00:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2004 00:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2004 00:12:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2004 00:12:32 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21411 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 21:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 21:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 21:37:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2004 21:37:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:37:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1349 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.114 Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo - no pilot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Mar 2004 00:12:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > As far as I know, only the Sony and National chips didn't rely on > > pilot detector circuits. > > I believe Leonard Kahn's "Stereo, Stereo" receiver operated in forced > ISB stereo mode on AM. Don't know what kind of decoder chip he used, > though -- but he was fond of taking an MC13020 and modifying it to > receive his system. This is not that hard to do, just by inverting the L-R and running it through a phase-shift network, and to make it detect the pilot, change the value on the pilot detector's external components/pin. Mr. Hershberger, the creator of Harris' system, also designed a Harris demodulator with the same Motorola chip. I'm also aware, somewhere, of a Magnavox detector doing the same, and with slight modifications, the RCA/Belar/Sansui systems could also be demodulated. > Many -- if not all -- of Sony's AM Stereo decoder designs do include > a pilot tone detector feature, but they only choose to use it on their > digital-tuning radios. AFAIK, all of their dial-tuning AM Stereo > receivers -- including the recent ones available at AudioCubes -- > operate in forced Stereo mode. Seems like someone mentioned that the pocket ones don't have forced stereo, but as usual, I may be misremembering things. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 16:13:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68184 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2004 00:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2004 00:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2004 00:12:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2004 00:11:19 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52799 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 18:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 18:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 18:58:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2004 18:58:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:58:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040323173341.53768.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1578 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.114 Subject: Re: Sony Radios was forced stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Mar 2004 00:11:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > Well, not entirely true, as the chips used in the > > A1/A100/42, and > > numerous other Sony models are in fact multimode > > detectors set in a > > pretty-much-permanent QuAM mode that also works with > > AM/PM and AM/FM > > systems by detecting the difference as quadrature > > AM. Essentially, > > they're nothing more than synchronous detectors, of > > which they still > > use in some of their shortwave radios (such as the > > long-lived > > 2010/2001D model). > > Unfortunately the 2010 is gone. The ICF-7600GR is the > only one in a reasonable price range, and though it > has a sync detector, I hear it's not as good as the > 2010's. I have heard alot of good things about the 7600GR, but as with most of Sony's radios, especially post-Aiwa, they have probably been either using new designs (a possibility- Different sync detector chip than before) or even less than Sony's usual substandard production. BUT, if a radio already has a sync detector, AND has FM stereo, it's a fair bet to make it into an ad-hoc AMS conversion using the same mod scheme as been proposed for the old 2010, which you can still find online: http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/sony2010.htm In its simplest form, the sync detector is pure QuAM, unmodified for ISB, and a QuAM detector will decode C-QUAM. The forced-sync detection was necessary to improve reception of shortwave stations, and provide better stability. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 16:22:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1991 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2004 00:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2004 00:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2004 00:22:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2004 00:21:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:21:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDB66@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 523 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.6 Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo - no pilot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The SRF-AX15 actually has a mono/stereo switch on the back that > switches the decoder chip. There is an increased bandwidth in the > stereo mode, and being forced this means it helps the sound on even > mono stations. If it's the same tuner design as the SRF-A300, then I don't think stereo mode actually increases the bandwidth; it's just that if you slightly off-tune a station (tune away from the 'center' of the signal), then the increase in treble response is more apparent in stereo mode than in mono mode. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Mar 23 16:44:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1145 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2004 00:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2004 00:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2004 00:44:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2004 00:43:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:43:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 91 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.17.206 Subject: Radio London website X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan http://www.bigl.co.uk Looks like they will make it on air soon, with am stereo apparently From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Mar 23 19:31:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91411 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2004 03:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2004 03:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.193) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2004 03:30:50 -0000 Received: from storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id EAD4BBE22; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id TAA24934; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:30:49 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR3Id/Ph9ppR5ywtPP68QKOKTU0yAIUH0MtA3ILuOrhLn6zjugrUP8TCjE= Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:30:49 -0600 (CST) To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoguy@hotmail.com, ccuff@in4web.com Message-ID: <26374-406100E9-969@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Michael J. Richard" 's message of Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:30:10 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.193 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ ABDX ] B & K Info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Any body got B & K Precision schematics OR and owners, instruction manual(s) for the following recent finds: B & K 1050 Telephone Analyzer // Tester ( 1050 is a larger, with more features, this is newer version of the B & K 1045 Telephone Products Tester. B & K 1045 ( also) B & K 2120 b Scope I can order though the Local B & K distributor, also. Any Suggestions, Leads welcome! Bill Snyder oldphones @ webtv.net Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 19:32:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31356 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2004 03:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2004 03:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2004 03:01:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2004 03:00:18 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3654 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2004 02:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2004 02:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2004 02:50:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2004 02:50:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 02:50:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 296 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.114 Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo - no pilot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Mar 2004 03:00:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > Seems like someone mentioned that the pocket ones don't have forced > stereo, but as usual, I may be misremembering things. And I was correct, that I was misremembering things. I stand corrected. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Mar 24 04:44:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80086 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2004 12:42:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2004 12:42:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2004 12:42:19 -0000 Received: from storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 1D927BE38 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 04:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA06747; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 04:42:18 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQB9n8ZVRSwc02kbyE91PxXlkntPQIVAKbdBJ8+IG2zujuAvIbNyF8J6GDu Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 06:42:18 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <1423-4061822A-257@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 24 Mar 2004 12:32:14 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Yes, I have a SRF-AX15 and it does have a Mono / Stereo switch. I use that radio at work, the computer harmonics cause some strange sound effects in AM Stereo mode, with the earphones plugped in. If you operate with the built-in loud speaker, you get just mono sound, despite the am stereo capability of the radio. . Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 10:00:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16873 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2004 17:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2004 17:51:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2004 17:51:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2004 17:51:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:51:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1423-4061822A-257@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 713 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Digest Number 1150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > Yes, I have a SRF-AX15 and it does have a Mono / Stereo switch. I > use that radio at work, the computer harmonics cause some strange sound > effects in AM Stereo mode, with the earphones plugped in. If you > operate with the built-in loud speaker, you get just mono sound, > despite the am stereo capability of the radio. . > > > Oldphones@ webtv. net > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > wiring items > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage Do you by any chance also have an SRF-42? If so, how does the SRF-AX15 compare for audio bandwidth, sensitivity, and selectivity? From spt87a@yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 11:48:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: spt87a@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4526 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2004 19:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2004 19:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2004 19:48:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2004 19:48:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:47:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <405E3868.B3C5394B@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1011 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "spt87a" X-Originating-IP: 204.110.135.35 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another 50 kW clear channel may soon be gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=160273779 X-Yahoo-Profile: spt87a --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Dick W wrote: > > > "Kevin T." wrote: > > > > If this goes through, then WWVA will joing 1190 WOWO as another > > Midwest station that will no longer have a true 50 kW 'clear channel' > > nighttime signal. I suppose they will be downgraded to Class B, too, > > because except in Alaska, Class A stations are required to be 50 kW > > full-time... right? > > Not sure about that. I know WOWO was purposely given 9.8KW nights to put them under the 10KW minimum to maintain their class - but they were a B. I would think WWVA would not want to drop to a lower class. Even if they don't care about the extended coverage area, it seems they would like to retain their noise protection priority over lower classes. Speaking of WOWO, the station that stole their signal, WLIB, is now abandoning their local format and becoming part of the the LIBeral talk radio network. Too bad the FCC didn't link the engineering changes to the format.... From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Mar 24 16:30:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74593 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2004 00:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2004 00:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2004 00:30:43 -0000 Received: from storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 1C42010795; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA04425; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:29:20 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAnnZO6SKl0QgyPT3F1SdxzonwIBUCFGToTCdaZtDUvsKDKyRjr4bYAJKX Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:29:20 -0600 (CST) To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@topica.com Message-ID: <8178-406227E0-46@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Kevin, Mesa, AZ" 's message of Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:46:51 +0000 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ ABDX ] OT- CCU Format Changes - Nebraska X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOTS of changes on the FM dial in Lincoln and Omaha, NE. Aside from the KQKQ Sweet 98 and KCTY 106.9 format changes about 2 weeks ago, Now Clear Channel has completely revamped their entire line up locally. The Morning show "Tim and the Animal" was simulcasted on the "Blaze" 106.3 Lincoln, and the "Dam" KQRC 93.3 Monday - Friday ( I do listen to their antics at least occasionally). Last Thursday after TnA signed off at 10:05 Clear Channel "blew" up both stations!! I first realized this when the "warehouse guys" came up front and asked if I "knew what;s going on the radio dial" The Hard rock on the "Dam" is gone, replaced by a MOR Country format. I don't know what the new call might be>) So they took a stick of dynamite and " Blew the Dam Up!!" 93.3 has a somewhat marginal signal as they have to protect long exsisting KIOA-FM 93.3 in Des Moines, Iowa. I tuned the the "Blaze" 106.3 KIBZ and they are running "hillbilly music with the chant that big changes are in the works". The Blaze 106.3 100 Kw is moving to the Lincoln, Crete, NE station on 104.1 @ 31 Kw . Can you spell s t u p i d??? New channel, less power?? Now the TnA fans can't get reception in Omaha on any receivable channel. Whaaaa... ( ,It was neat to have one radio on 93.3 and 2nd radio tuned to 106.3 and hear the "echo effect":) :( The Blaze has since shifted to the inferior signal on 104.1 , which can't upgrade, since they must protect the exsisting FM station WNAX-FM 104.1 in Yankton, SD. Yes, the same WNAX that is a legend on 570 A.M. Not real sure what the new format on 106.3 is, but knowing CCU it probably stinks... I heard a promo for The "new blaze" on a Lincoln customer music on hold, yesterday. Round 2. Clear Channel turned "The Dam" into "another" country station completing AGAINST themselves AS KXKT 103.7 Kat103 (CCU) Is the NUMBER ONE station ( all formats) in the Omaha arbiton book, with KFAB-AM as # 2. Like we need "another" station to complete with KAT 103 and Koil Country 1020 AM !! And the "new 93.3" format sounds a lot like the classic county format that ( Waitt Media owned) KOIL 1020 has.... GO FIGURE!!!! At least CCU hasn't started re-arranging the deck chairs on the local A.M. Band, yet!!! Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 18:58:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64843 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2004 02:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2004 02:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2004 02:58:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20040325025847.26459.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.65] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:58:47 PST Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:58:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.89 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: WWVA 1170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The application is 27 KW at night DA not 27 watts. And actually WWVA is not TRUE clear channel, not being an old 1A, but is DA at night. I hear it here in Columbia SC at night, but am not in a major lobe so most of the time it's not a good signal. The 9.8KW WOWO signal is often far better. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Mar 25 07:42:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43046 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2004 15:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2004 15:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2004 15:42:44 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11) id i2PFggXk050739 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:42:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002d01c4127f$d0a13970$6601a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:42:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another 50 kW clear channel may soon be gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Not sure about that. I know WOWO was purposely given 9.8KW nights > to put them under the 10KW minimum to maintain their class - but > they were a B. I would think WWVA would not want to drop to a lower > class. Even if they don't care about the extended coverage area, it > seems they would like to retain their noise protection priority over > lower classes. WOWO was given 8.8 kw at night because that's what the computer churned out as being necessary to give Ft. Wayne a decent signal, but still protecting WLIB. WOWO has recently applied for a power increase of 20-25kw (one or the other, not sure which). WWVA would become another class B if this move is allowed. Class A's must be 50kw full time and WWVA would drop to 27 kw at night. They will then lose their class A protection and someone, somewhere will apply for a power increase or add nighttime coverage. WLIB wasn't the only station on 1190kHz that got a power boost (or night-time authorization). I believe Kansas City's 1190 has applied for (or received) night time authorization. From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Mar 25 07:49:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79107 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2004 15:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2004 15:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2004 15:49:42 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11) id i2PFndiD052151 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:49:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003401c41280$c8e485b0$6601a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20040325025847.26459.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:49:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWVA 1170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > The application is 27 KW at night DA not 27 watts. And > actually WWVA is not TRUE clear channel, not being an > old 1A, but is DA at night. I hear it here in Columbia > SC at night, but am not in a major lobe so most of the > time it's not a good signal. The 9.8KW WOWO signal is > often far better. Correct... WWVA was what used to be called a Class 1B or 2A (I can't remember now) clear channel, meaning that they shared the frequency with a western station, with each protecting each other. As a Class 1B, WWVA protected KVOO in Tulsa and WOWO used to protect KEX in Portland. IF WWVA gets their application approved, they will lose their Class A protection and it will open the door for power increases and/or night-time service for others on 1170kHz. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Mar 25 13:22:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51070 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2004 21:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2004 21:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2004 21:22:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20040325212201.87347.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.115] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:22:01 PST Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:22:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002d01c4127f$d0a13970$6601a8c0@jimspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.82 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another 50 kW clear channel may soon be gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jim Burgan wrote: > > Not sure about that. I know WOWO was purposely > given 9.8KW nights > > to put them under the 10KW minimum to maintain > their class - but > > they were a B. I would think WWVA would not want > to drop to a lower > > class. Even if they don't care about the extended > coverage area, it > > seems they would like to retain their noise > protection priority over > > lower classes. > > WOWO was given 8.8 kw at night because that's what > the computer churned out > as being necessary to give Ft. Wayne a decent > signal, but still protecting > WLIB. 9.8 It doesn't give THAT good a signal. If the ground conductivity were like the rest of Indiana ( it's a small foot of 15 around Fort Wayne) the signal would be not very good...ah wouldn't even make any city grade. Remember the trasmitter is in Roanoke, IN some 20+ miles SW of Fort Wayne, and part of the new DA null actually shadows part of the city! > WOWO has recently applied for a power > increase of 20-25kw (one or the > other, not sure which). If this was the one that also gave WGKA Atlanta substantial night power, the FCC slammed them both down as trying to be a special deal between Pathfinder ( WOWO ) and Salem WGKA. The FCC also had some rather harsh words to both of them. > WWVA would become another class B if this move is > allowed. Class A's must > be 50kw full time and WWVA would drop to 27 kw at > night. They will then lose > their class A protection and someone, somewhere will > apply for a power > increase or add nighttime coverage. > WLIB wasn't the only station on 1190kHz that got a > power boost (or > night-time authorization). I believe Kansas City's > 1190 has applied for (or > received) night time authorization. Kansas City had 250 watts nights for years DA of course. ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Mar 25 13:53:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74159 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2004 21:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2004 21:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2004 21:53:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2004 21:52:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:52:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 205 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Douglas B." X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Interesting AM Tuner... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I can't tell if this has been pulled out of a console... or whether it's a stand alone tuner missing its amp. Neat looking tuner, through: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2234680671 From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Mar 25 16:10:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16630 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 00:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 00:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.193) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 00:09:57 -0000 Received: from storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id C9E87BEB3; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:09:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA16040; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:09:53 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAmHgAVmx5oTSqzt4sZ31uGxZio2kCFGsxPW3eE05z5oQqP1QOxx6dovvy Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:09:53 -0600 (CST) To: amstereo@topica.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@topica.com Message-ID: <8168-406374D1-2583@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Paul Crane 's message of Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:04:55 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.193 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: RE: (AM Stereo) [ ABDX ] WLS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DX Errrrrrror! IT is 890 WLS - I accidentally typed 720 which of course is WGN, Meant (890) WLS, I have heard the Spanish sounding station before, don't know WHO it is. I just bought a new stereo receiver to replace the aging 1974 Sherwood rig. It is Teac model AG-370 and does exceptionally well on AM. The FM is so-so, the Sherwood had an better ability to pull those really tough distant and DX FM stations. I am favorably impressed with the TEAC's AM capabilities. Got an 1,000 watt non-direction station on 1240 Khz located in eastern Wisconsin here in Omaha, NE an easy 400-500 miles away on an congested channel. The TEAC includes an AM Loop antenna, ( the only real way to DX). The only other great DXer radios I have is a 60's vintage Channel Master 6510 AM only, battery operated radio. Gets WLS like a local station IF the band is up. I still keep my trusty Sony SRF-A100 portable (((AM Stereo))) radio handy, also. Aside from the AG-370, Teac also makes a really nice line of Nostalgic radios with > Turntables for those still into playing LP's. ( I work at a Teac dealer, so these radios are available for sale to interested parties.) I can send a fax If you want some info, on these Teac items. Bill Snyder Omaha ( mid-state electronics) Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 25 18:07:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16602 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 00:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 00:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 00:57:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2004 00:57:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 00:57:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c4127f$d0a13970$6601a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1564 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.129 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another 50 kW clear channel may soon be gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WWVA would become another class B if this move is allowed. Class > A's must be 50kw full time and WWVA would drop to 27 kw at night. > They will then lose their class A protection and someone, somewhere > will apply for a power increase or add nighttime coverage. I bet 1170 WWTR in Bridgewater, NJ would try. This little 243-watt daytimer (the lowest-power daytime AM signal in the state of NJ) gets surprisingly good listenership as a simulcast of "Classic Oldies" station 1250 WMTR. They help WMTR's coverage extend into central NJ and even Staten Island, NY, but in the winter, they have to sign off as early as 4:30 PM, missing the entire evening "drive time". 1170 WWTR doesn't even use a pre-sunrise / post-sunset authorization, because it would only be something like 10 watts, and would be nearly useless compared to WWVA's 50,000-watt signal booming in via skywave during these times. WWVA can even often be heard underneath their full 243-watt daytime signal for the first half-hour or so after sign-on. In the following MP3 clip (recorded during 1170's previous incarnation as WBRW), you can clearly hear WWVA's hourly ID in the background just after sunrise: http://tinyurl.com/2yp5t I also have a recording of 1170's current Classic Oldies format which I'll try to upload soon. It isn't AM Stereo, but with their Optimod 9100 set to the NRSC curve, WWTR is one of the best-sounding mono AM music stations I've ever heard. On a good AMAX receiver, they really jump out of your speakers and put many FM stations to shame. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Mar 25 19:16:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27317 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 03:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 03:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 03:16:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20040326031647.40298.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.123] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:16:47 PST Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:16:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040325212201.87347.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another 50 kW clear channel may soon be gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > WWVA would become another class B if this move is > > allowed. Class A's must > > be 50kw full time and WWVA would drop to 27 kw at > > night. They will then lose > > their class A protection and someone, somewhere > will > > apply for a power > > increase or add nighttime coverage. Using the old categories, WWVA was never a class A but a 1B. IF WFAN moved their current TX site any they would be downgraded to around 30,000 watts. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Mar 25 23:28:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30102 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 07:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 07:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 07:28:08 -0000 Received: from storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 3C96DBEC3 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:28:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id XAA25566; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:28:06 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQXgGlAkQw+uqKY/gEG5p+WBatj3QIVAKzJr/CBn2A7Ot2iz0R5WPKXlYbi Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 01:28:06 -0600 (CST) To: W0WRT@webtv.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, billsnyder@webtv.net, wpsnyder@webtv.net Message-ID: <7140-4063DB86-4069@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Topica Email List Directory X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage ---------- http://lists.topica.com/lists/ABDX/read/message.html?mid=1716388522&sort=d&start=14541 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Fri Mar 26 05:11:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12484 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 13:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 13:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.194) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 13:11:03 -0000 Received: from storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 51485106BE for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 05:10:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA06200; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 05:10:19 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAga6e63746Pt1WzTyiIxAJnx5uFACFQCGXeSKN0nr5w84MYSTFaYNKN+qhQ== Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:10:18 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <1093-40642BBA-280@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 26 Mar 2004 11:51:21 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.194 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1190 Kansas City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 The 1190 Khz station in Kansas City has had nightime operation for at least 10 plus years , with, if my recollection is correct 1,000 watts at night, and 5,000 watts daytime. < this could of changed> KPHN is the current call and they have a somewhat directional signal to protect 1190 WOWO in Fort Wayne, and the 1190 Station ( the old KLIF, KLUV) in Dallas. KPHN was formerly known with the calls KJLA & KFEZ with a EZ listening, Nostalgic format in beautiful (((AM Stereo))) until about 1997 under the Beal Broadcasting ownership. I used to get them (KFEZ) here in Omaha on a somewhat frequent basis despite the 1180 KYDZ ( Ex- Koil) transmitter over in Council Bluffs, Iowa. Bill S. Omaha Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 26 06:06:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34068 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 14:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 14:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 14:05:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20040326140524.20847.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 06:05:24 PST Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 06:05:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: 4 AM in top 8 Billing Stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Top Billing Stations in the Nation according to Radio World: * 4 of Top 8 are AM Stations * 1 WLTW-FM, Lite AC, New York, Clear Channel 2 WINS-AM, News, New York, Infinity 3 KIIS-FM, Top 40, Los Angeles, Clear Channel 4 KROQ-FM, Alternative, Los Angeles, Infinity 5 KPWR-FM, Rhythmic/CHR, Los Angeles, Emmis 6 WCBS-AM, News, New York, Infinity 7 KFI-AM, Talk, Los Angeles, Clear Channel 8 WFAN-AM, Sports/Talk, New York, Infinity 9 WXRK-FM, Alternative, New York, Infinity 10 KOST-FM, A, Los Angeles, Clear Channel and 2 were AM Stereo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From krichards@wor710.com Fri Mar 26 07:59:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69686 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 15:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 15:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 15:59:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: krichards@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2004 15:58:06 -0000 X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15725 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 15:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 15:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 15:26:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2004 15:26:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:26:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040326140524.20847.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 837 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.206.116 Subject: Re: 4 AM in top 8 Billing Stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Mar 2004 15:58:05 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 Which two are AM Stereo? K. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Top Billing Stations in the Nation according to Radio World: > * 4 of Top 8 are AM Stations * > 1 WLTW-FM, Lite AC, New York, Clear Channel > 2 WINS-AM, News, New York, Infinity > 3 KIIS-FM, Top 40, Los Angeles, Clear Channel > 4 KROQ-FM, Alternative, Los Angeles, Infinity > 5 KPWR-FM, Rhythmic/CHR, Los Angeles, Emmis > 6 WCBS-AM, News, New York, Infinity > 7 KFI-AM, Talk, Los Angeles, Clear Channel > 8 WFAN-AM, Sports/Talk, New York, Infinity > 9 WXRK-FM, Alternative, New York, Infinity > 10 KOST-FM, A, Los Angeles, Clear Channel > > and 2 were AM Stereo > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 26 08:09:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56929 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 16:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 16:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 16:09:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2004 16:09:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:09:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 89 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: First ever IBOC radio on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Panasonic CQ-CB9900U.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3086320715 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 26 08:25:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40656 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 16:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 16:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 16:25:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2004 16:25:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:24:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1035 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: 4 AM in top 8 Billing Stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Which two are AM Stereo? He said two _were_ AM Stereo (KFI & WFAN)... actually, three if you include WINS, which ditched it upon their antenna system rebuild in 1995. Meanwhile, here are the rankings for NYC, with AM stations marked: 1. WLTW: $69.6 million 2. WINS: $60 million *** 3. WCBS: $55.5 million *** 4. WFAN: $52.2 million *** 5. WXRK: $51.7 million 6. WHTZ: $48.1 million 7. WPLJ: $40.4 million 8. WQHT: $40.3 million 9. WKTU: $38 million 10. WSKQ: $36.5 million 11. WCBS-FM: $33.8 million 12. WAXQ: $33.2 million 13. WRKS: $27 million 14. WQCD: $26.3 million 15. WBLS: $25.2 million 16. WABC: $24.2 million *** 17. WWPR: $23.7 million 18. WOR: $19.5 million *** 19. WQXR: $15.4 million 20. WPAT-FM: $14.8 million 21. WNEW: $7.8 million 22. WADO: $7.6 million *** 23. WMCA: $7.2 million *** 24. WPAT: $5.3 million *** 25. WBBR: $5.1 million *** 26. WEPN: $4.9 million *** 27. WWDJ: $4.8 million *** 28. WCAA: $4.1 million 29. WLIB: $4 million *** 30. WWRL: $2.7 million *** 31. WQEW: $1.9 million *** From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Mar 26 08:47:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68568 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 16:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 16:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 16:47:04 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2QGjItR033705 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:45:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <40645D15.7030403@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:40:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20040326140524.20847.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040326140524.20847.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4 AM in top 8 Billing Stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 which 2 were am Stereo???? WINS/WCBS/WFAN NONE of these are presently AM stereo. Gee I did Notice that WOR did not even make the top 10 neither did WBBR 2 other large NY stations.. John P. wrote: >Top Billing Stations in the Nation according to Radio World: >* 4 of Top 8 are AM Stations * >1 WLTW-FM, Lite AC, New York, Clear Channel >2 WINS-AM, News, New York, Infinity >3 KIIS-FM, Top 40, Los Angeles, Clear Channel >4 KROQ-FM, Alternative, Los Angeles, Infinity >5 KPWR-FM, Rhythmic/CHR, Los Angeles, Emmis >6 WCBS-AM, News, New York, Infinity >7 KFI-AM, Talk, Los Angeles, Clear Channel >8 WFAN-AM, Sports/Talk, New York, Infinity >9 WXRK-FM, Alternative, New York, Infinity >10 KOST-FM, A, Los Angeles, Clear Channel > >and 2 were AM Stereo > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. >http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Mar 26 08:56:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85865 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 16:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 16:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 16:56:42 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2QGsutR034250 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:54:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <40645F57.5070503@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:50:31 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} First ever IBOC radio on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Notice its in Chicago.. also its new HD Radio capability. does that mean it needs a IBOC module ? or it has the module?its almost $700 maybe more if you have to add an IBOC module? no thank you... Kevin T. wrote: >Panasonic CQ-CB9900U.... > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3086320715 > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Fri Mar 26 09:46:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65670 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 17:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 17:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 17:46:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2004 17:46:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:46:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.206.116 Subject: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Hi all. There are new samples posted on the WOR-HD site. These three were recorded directly off the Kenwood radio in my car. http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/audio_samples.htm Tom Ray WOR From krichards@wor710.com Fri Mar 26 09:52:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3969 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 17:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 17:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 17:52:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: krichards@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2004 17:52:41 -0000 X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81537 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 16:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 16:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 16:47:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2004 16:46:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:46:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1635 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.206.116 Subject: Re: 4 AM in top 8 Billing Stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Mar 2004 17:52:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 What I was wondering was that none of the stations mentioned on the list are operating AM stereo or HD at this point in time. I think KFI shut off the AM Stereo when Marv installed the DX50. But the point is none of these stations in recent times has had AM Stereo or HD. Maybe KFI.... So I do not think the dollars billed have anything to do with AM Stereo...But it does prove the point you do not need ratings to be a big biller.... K. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Which two are AM Stereo? > > He said two _were_ AM Stereo (KFI & WFAN)... actually, three if you > include WINS, which ditched it upon their antenna system rebuild in > 1995. > > Meanwhile, here are the rankings for NYC, with AM stations marked: > > 1. WLTW: $69.6 million > 2. WINS: $60 million *** > 3. WCBS: $55.5 million *** > 4. WFAN: $52.2 million *** > 5. WXRK: $51.7 million > 6. WHTZ: $48.1 million > 7. WPLJ: $40.4 million > 8. WQHT: $40.3 million > 9. WKTU: $38 million > 10. WSKQ: $36.5 million > 11. WCBS-FM: $33.8 million > 12. WAXQ: $33.2 million > 13. WRKS: $27 million > 14. WQCD: $26.3 million > 15. WBLS: $25.2 million > 16. WABC: $24.2 million *** > 17. WWPR: $23.7 million > 18. WOR: $19.5 million *** > 19. WQXR: $15.4 million > 20. WPAT-FM: $14.8 million > 21. WNEW: $7.8 million > 22. WADO: $7.6 million *** > 23. WMCA: $7.2 million *** > 24. WPAT: $5.3 million *** > 25. WBBR: $5.1 million *** > 26. WEPN: $4.9 million *** > 27. WWDJ: $4.8 million *** > 28. WCAA: $4.1 million > 29. WLIB: $4 million *** > 30. WWRL: $2.7 million *** > 31. WQEW: $1.9 million *** From w6yn@juno.com Fri Mar 26 10:04:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23253 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 18:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 18:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 18:04:17 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCRH8QSWxmTS27Vc2yrNc13E=">; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:04:07 PST Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JRNUJZLC; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:04:07 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:03:53 -0800 Message-ID: <20040326.100354.204.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-9,11-70 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4 AM in top 8 Billing Stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Speaking of KFI: They have been going to low power (very) every day from about 9:30 a.m. I don't suppose they are advising their advertisers of the decreased coverage. Don On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:46:49 -0000 "Kerry Richards" writes: > What I was wondering was that none of the stations mentioned on the > list are operating AM stereo or HD at this point in time. > > I think KFI shut off the AM Stereo when Marv installed the DX50. But > > the point is none of these stations in recent times has had AM > Stereo > or HD. Maybe KFI.... > > So I do not think the dollars billed have anything to do with AM > Stereo...But it does prove the point you do not need ratings to be a > > big biller.... > > > K. > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > Which two are AM Stereo? > > > > He said two _were_ AM Stereo (KFI & WFAN)... actually, three if > you > > include WINS, which ditched it upon their antenna system rebuild > in > > 1995. > > > > Meanwhile, here are the rankings for NYC, with AM stations > marked: > > > > 1. WLTW: $69.6 million > > 2. WINS: $60 million *** > > 3. WCBS: $55.5 million *** > > 4. WFAN: $52.2 million *** > > 5. WXRK: $51.7 million > > 6. WHTZ: $48.1 million > > 7. WPLJ: $40.4 million > > 8. WQHT: $40.3 million > > 9. WKTU: $38 million > > 10. WSKQ: $36.5 million > > 11. WCBS-FM: $33.8 million > > 12. WAXQ: $33.2 million > > 13. WRKS: $27 million > > 14. WQCD: $26.3 million > > 15. WBLS: $25.2 million > > 16. WABC: $24.2 million *** > > 17. WWPR: $23.7 million > > 18. WOR: $19.5 million *** > > 19. WQXR: $15.4 million > > 20. WPAT-FM: $14.8 million > > 21. WNEW: $7.8 million > > 22. WADO: $7.6 million *** > > 23. WMCA: $7.2 million *** > > 24. WPAT: $5.3 million *** > > 25. WBBR: $5.1 million *** > > 26. WEPN: $4.9 million *** > > 27. WWDJ: $4.8 million *** > > 28. WCAA: $4.1 million > > 29. WLIB: $4 million *** > > 30. WWRL: $2.7 million *** > > 31. WQEW: $1.9 million *** From larry@allclassical.org Fri Mar 26 11:14:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: larry@allclassical.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28160 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 19:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 19:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 19:14:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2004 19:12:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:12:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40645F57.5070503@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 883 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "massiffe2000" X-Originating-IP: 66.93.43.162 Subject: Re: {AMSF} First ever IBOC radio on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167542413 X-Yahoo-Profile: massiffe2000 Yep, that is Panasonic's new all-in-one HD radio. Check out the news release: http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_electronics/pressroom/cont2.asp? Filter=12&cont_id=554 I noticed that it can be purchased for under $700 at several web stores. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > Notice its in Chicago.. also its > new HD Radio capability. does that mean it needs a IBOC module ? > or it has the module?its almost $700 maybe more if you have to add an > IBOC module? > no thank you... > Kevin T. wrote: > > >Panasonic CQ-CB9900U.... > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3086320715 > > > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Mar 26 12:07:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98703 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 20:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 20:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 20:07:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2004 20:06:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 20:06:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1034 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud A definite improvement over the previous samples. I don't know whether to ascribe this to the improved codec, or the fact that it's mono, but I found these samples to sound tolerable, while the music samples previously posted at the WOR site, umm, weren't. It is still not nearly as good as what I get right now from my TX-11a, GE Superradio, or SRF-A100. The highs on the samples are scratchy and unnatural, and I wouldn't care to listen to music like this. But the sound quality gap has obviously been reduced, at least in mono. I think it'll be "good enough" for most listeners, especially when they compare it with the lackluster performance they are probably getting from the AM sets they have now. Thanks for posting these, Tom. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > Hi all. > > There are new samples posted on the WOR-HD site. These three were > recorded directly off the Kenwood radio in my car. > http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/audio_samples.htm > > Tom Ray > WOR From castellano105@yahoo.com Fri Mar 26 12:24:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82440 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 20:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 20:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.96) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 20:24:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20040326202322.40311.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.68.241.188] by web60201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:23:22 PST Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:23:22 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040326140524.20847.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.96 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4 AM in top 8 Billing Stations Yet not a Singel AM Music Station. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 That is all fine,but all but where are the AM Music Stations? is this the only thing AM is good for today? Talk and sports. I want Music on AM. --- "John P." wrote: > Top Billing Stations in the Nation according to > Radio World: > * 4 of Top 8 are AM Stations * > 1 WLTW-FM, Lite AC, New York, Clear Channel > 2 WINS-AM, News, New York, Infinity > 3 KIIS-FM, Top 40, Los Angeles, Clear Channel > 4 KROQ-FM, Alternative, Los Angeles, Infinity > 5 KPWR-FM, Rhythmic/CHR, Los Angeles, Emmis > 6 WCBS-AM, News, New York, Infinity > 7 KFI-AM, Talk, Los Angeles, Clear Channel > 8 WFAN-AM, Sports/Talk, New York, Infinity > 9 WXRK-FM, Alternative, New York, Infinity > 10 KOST-FM, A, Los Angeles, Clear Channel > > and 2 were AM Stereo > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on > time. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 26 15:25:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27072 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 23:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 23:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 23:25:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2004 23:24:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:24:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1255 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.11 Subject: Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It is still not nearly as good as what I get right now from my > TX-11a, GE Superradio, or SRF-A100. The highs on the samples are > scratchy and unnatural, and I wouldn't care to listen to music like > this. But the sound quality gap has obviously been reduced, at > least in mono. In addition to the low-bitrate encoding artifacts, WOR's digital audio also sounds strangely inconsistent and "unpolished". Especially when the host is talking over a music bed, the treble response seems to fluctuate, almost like a selective-fading effect you hear from shortwave broadcasts. The actual loudness of the audio doesn't change, but yet there's an odd "wishy-washy" kind of effect I'm hearing. I also hear some strange and random "chirps" and other momentary imperfections, which could either be from encoding artifacts or from errors in receiving the digital signal (i.e. like the "chirps" you hear from a corrupted MP3 file). Also, when Ed Walsh's voice is heard alone (i.e. towards the end of "wor-1.wav"), I hear a kind of "ringy" effect, which sounds almost like a turntable whole platter is squeaking as it rotates. I don't hear that on WOR's analog signal at all, so I also wonder where in the digital chain that is coming from. From tomray@wor710.com Fri Mar 26 17:28:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99371 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2004 01:28:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2004 01:28:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2004 01:28:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2004 01:28:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 01:28:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 370 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > Thanks for posting these, Tom. > My pleasure. Those previous music samples were recorded off of test equipment.....and those of us in the biz long enough know about recordings off of test equipment....... These were recorded off a real radio. Usually a big difference in quality. TR From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Mar 26 19:08:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11777 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2004 03:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2004 03:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2004 03:08:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20040327030840.23973.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.98] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:08:40 PST Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:08:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040326140524.20847.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.88 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4 AM in top 8 Billing Stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > Top Billing Stations in the Nation according to > Radio World: > * 4 of Top 8 are AM Stations * > 1 WLTW-FM, Lite AC, New York, Clear Channel > 2 WINS-AM, News, New York, Infinity > 3 KIIS-FM, Top 40, Los Angeles, Clear Channel > 4 KROQ-FM, Alternative, Los Angeles, Infinity > 5 KPWR-FM, Rhythmic/CHR, Los Angeles, Emmis > 6 WCBS-AM, News, New York, Infinity > 7 KFI-AM, Talk, Los Angeles, Clear Channel > 8 WFAN-AM, Sports/Talk, New York, Infinity > 9 WXRK-FM, Alternative, New York, Infinity > 10 KOST-FM, A, Los Angeles, Clear Channel > and 2 were AM Stereo Well if you were doing a "legal ID" NONE of the AM stations as reported on the list would be legal ; no AM station is designated as -AM. Some of the FM's also may not be - FM either.... Powell (just being verrrry pedantic) ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Fri Mar 26 19:30:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 925 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2004 03:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2004 03:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2004 03:30:32 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9DEF9191D9B for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 03:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882511A0184 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040326223245.023882b8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:43:00 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The first sample sounded like anolog with static at first. Blends to digital quiet. Though it is quiet without noise, it doesn't sound as good as the analog. Don't know if its because of how its EQ'd, or what... But the Freq. response sounds weird to me in digital mode. I did notice weird audio things like dropping in levels. The first sample sounds the worst. I don't know, but... I think the noise-free signal may sell people to this thing no matter how it sounds. People aren't like us and most people don't give a **** if it sounds good or not, as long as they can hear there favorite songs, and noise-free. Just look at WPLJ and the halk at 94.5. Both sound horrible to us sound nuts, but the average listener doesn't even notice the distortion. My dad is what I call an average listener. I asked him if he heard how horrible 94.5 sounds when it was on in the car today. He said it sounds fine. In the car, it does seem to sound better then listening outside the car. Maybe because of al the extra background stuff like engine noise, the air, etc... It masks it? A very compressed signal that is only loud, loud loud. Surprised most people don't notice. Then again, dad really doesn't listen when he is in the car, it is background to him. John At 05:46 PM 3/26/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Hi all. > >There are new samples posted on the WOR-HD site. These three were >recorded directly off the Kenwood radio in my car. >http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/audio_samples.htm > >Tom Ray >WOR > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Mar 26 20:00:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8158 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2004 04:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2004 04:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2004 04:00:20 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11) id i2R40B5C091858 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:00:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <007401c413b0$05c47730$6601a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20040326031647.40298.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:00:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another 50 kW clear channel may soon be gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Using the old categories, WWVA was never a class A but > a 1B. IF WFAN moved their current TX site any they > would be downgraded to around 30,000 watts. Correct, but they were afforded the same protection as if they were a 1A. If they downgrade to 27 KW at night, they will lose that (current class A) protection and just become another higher-powered Class B. From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Mar 26 20:10:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69439 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2004 04:10:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2004 04:10:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2004 04:10:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20040327040928.95407.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.102] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 20:09:28 PST Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 20:09:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.81 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > Hi all. > > There are new samples posted on the WOR-HD site. > These three were > recorded directly off the Kenwood radio in my car. >http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/audio_samples.htm > Tom Ray > WOR The digital does sound better, BUT the anlog on the Kenwood radio is just bad. There's no excuse for making such a nasty sounding AM section. The digital sounds as good as the analog AM on my Zenith High Fidelity, and if you think that's an insult, be assured it is NOT. But the Zenith isn't digital, hell ( can I say that) it isn't even solid state. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 26 20:23:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46458 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2004 04:23:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2004 04:23:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2004 04:23:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2004 04:23:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 04:23:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.130 Subject: Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > These were recorded off a real radio. Usually a big difference in > quality. But somewhere along the line, WOR's digital audio in your latest samples got rather highly compressed. Is WOR really processing its digital audio like that now, or is the Kenwood radio adding its own form of compression/peak limiting to the AM IBOC audio? If the receiver is adding its own compression to the digital audio -- which certainly is possible -- then that could explain its somewhat inconsistent tonality, as an ungated broadband compressor would add a kind of "pumping" or "voice-ducking" effect that audio coming from the transmitter site normally would not exhibit. It is noticeable in "lincoln.wav", just before the 24-second point, where the host pauses briefly and the music bed sharply increases in level until he starts talking again. Perhaps Kenwood paid attention to the engineers (like yourself) who love to describe who how lightly-processed AM IBOC's digital audio is, and added this "feature" to their receiver -- likely in order to make the transition from analog AM to AM IBOC less jarring, and also to maintain the highly-processed "golden throat" audio that listeners normally associate with AM news/talk radio.... From baansy@yahoo.com Fri Mar 26 21:11:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21844 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2004 05:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2004 05:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41709.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.126) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2004 05:11:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20040327051141.12592.qmail@web41709.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.137.193.29] by web41709.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:11:41 PST Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:11:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.126 From: ANDREW BAANS Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australian AWA Model PU9123C Car AMS Cassette Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John wrote:Hi all, I'm new member to group. Yesterday I picked up an AWA Model PU9123C Car AMS cassette radio. (For $AU5.00)This is the local Australian market equivalent to the Clarion 9425RT. Can anyone tell me what the AMS decoder IC is used for this unit? The radio section consists of a number of blocks which are enclosed in metal shields which makes it impossible to see inside. It seems to be my lucky week as a few days ago I picked up my first AMS Tuner --a Teac T-30. Up until now I've used an old wideband tuner modified with a AMS Decoder module which was made up from a kit about 14 years ago. There are no local AMS stations where I live but often I can pick up AMS stations at night. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Mar 26 22:34:18 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Mar 26 22:36:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61186 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2004 06:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2004 06:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2004 06:36:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2004 06:36:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 06:36:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1383 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.98.22 Subject: Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio From: "wgliradio" Date: Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:33 am Subject: Re: HD Samples ADVERTISEMENT --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" > wrote: > > > > Thanks for posting these, Tom. > > > My pleasure. Those previous music samples were recorded off of test > equipment.....and those of us in the biz long enough know about > recordings off of test equipment....... > > These were recorded off a real radio. Usually a big difference in > quality. > > TR I heard an AM HD sample from Mr. Ray Thursday night at the SBE meeting. I was honestly more impressed with it than I thought I would be and it was much better than what I had heard in Philadelphia in October. I was not in an environment to listen in a critical manner, but, in the past, I have been "grossed out" (for lack of a better term) with older AM HD samples in worse listening situations than Thursday night (a noisy transmitter room or a noisy convention floor for example). I will say this, I still have reservations for other issues, but every time I hear an audio sample with improved software, it has gotten better. I would still love to see an A/B with a tuner that did AMAX AM in the analog mode. While the Kenwood does sound like it has a clean AM section, its bandwidth is typical. From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Mar 27 00:25:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62231 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2004 08:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2004 08:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2004 08:25:25 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2R8MKtR062423 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 03:22:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <406538B0.1050203@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 03:17:52 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I missed another SBE MEETING..... geeze I cannot keep track of Time....Ohh well maybe next month wgliradio wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > >>--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" >>wrote: >> >> >>>Thanks for posting these, Tom. >>> >>> >>> >>My pleasure. Those previous music samples were recorded off of >> >> >test > > >>equipment.....and those of us in the biz long enough know about >>recordings off of test equipment....... >> >>These were recorded off a real radio. Usually a big difference in >>quality. >> >>TR >> >> > >I heard an AM HD sample from Mr. Ray Thursday night at the SBE >meeting. I was honestly more impressed with it than I thought I >would be and it was much better than what I had heard in >Philadelphia in October. I was not in an environment to listen in a >critical manner, but, in the past, I have been "grossed out" (for >lack of a better term) with older AM HD samples in worse listening >situations than Thursday night (a noisy transmitter room or a noisy >convention floor for example). > >I will say this, I still have reservations for other issues, but >every time I hear an audio sample with improved software, it has >gotten better. > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Sat Mar 27 19:52:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17041 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2004 03:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2004 03:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2004 03:52:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2004 03:52:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 03:52:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040326223245.023882b8@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 750 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Go back and read the descriptions again. The first clip is in the Lincoln Tunnel where they have a very poor leaky coax distribution system....yes, that's analog and noisy. At the very end of the jingle, the car comes out of the tunnel and encounters the full AM carrier.....so you have regular analog AM audio. 9 seconds later, the HD kicks in. The other samples are strictly HD and were recorded at various places on route 17 in New Jersey in WOR's null. Anyone who has driven up route 17 listening to WOR knows where the signal problems are. Your Dad sounds like my Mom. When I converted WRCQ to C-Quam years ago, she called and told me how great the station sounded in AM stereo......she didn't even have a stereo radio! TR From tomray@wor710.com Sat Mar 27 19:55:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53976 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2004 03:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2004 03:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2004 03:55:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2004 03:55:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 03:55:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1783 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Or perhaps our morning man....who runs his own board...is a frustrated disk jockey and rides the pots. This he does. The music that came up that fast in the pause is his own doing. And yes, we're processing the HD a little heavier than we were previously. When you finally hear it on a consumer radio, the loudness difference between analog and digital had to be narrowed...it was too abrupt. T --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > These were recorded off a real radio. Usually a big difference in > > quality. > > But somewhere along the line, WOR's digital audio in your latest > samples got rather highly compressed. Is WOR really processing its > digital audio like that now, or is the Kenwood radio adding its own > form of compression/peak limiting to the AM IBOC audio? > > If the receiver is adding its own compression to the digital audio - - > which certainly is possible -- then that could explain its somewhat > inconsistent tonality, as an ungated broadband compressor would add a > kind of "pumping" or "voice-ducking" effect that audio coming from > the transmitter site normally would not exhibit. It is noticeable in > "lincoln.wav", just before the 24-second point, where the host pauses > briefly and the music bed sharply increases in level until he starts > talking again. > > Perhaps Kenwood paid attention to the engineers (like yourself) who > love to describe who how lightly-processed AM IBOC's digital audio > is, and added this "feature" to their receiver -- likely in order to > make the transition from analog AM to AM IBOC less jarring, and also > to maintain the highly-processed "golden throat" audio that listeners > normally associate with AM news/talk radio.... From tomray@wor710.com Sat Mar 27 19:57:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68361 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2004 03:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2004 03:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2004 03:57:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2004 03:57:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 03:57:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <406538B0.1050203@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 109 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Neal: Don't miss next month. Seeing the CNBC studios in Jersey is a must- see. The place is amazing! TR From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sat Mar 27 20:35:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75548 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2004 04:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2004 04:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2004 04:35:55 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 781B8717EB for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 03:59:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E34DC2BE6 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 04:17:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040327234106.0219d8c0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:48:20 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: To Eaon in Melbourne X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! Is 4AK still in stereo? I thought you said that they turned off the stereo in the summer of 2001. Wasn't this due to the engineer thinking that stereo off= more coverage? 4AK sounded so good in stereo recorded off of the Sony SRF-A1 walkman. I'd buy one but the walkman doesn't have extended coverage. Right? How is AM Stereo in Authy land? John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Sat Mar 27 21:08:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72323 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2004 05:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2004 05:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2004 05:08:42 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2S58dKb012553 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:08:40 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:08:39 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040327234106.0219d8c0@pop.GameBox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} To Eaon in Melbourne X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, John Holcomb II wrote: > Is 4AK still in stereo? I don't know as I've never heard it. 4AK is a 2k station in Oakey, Queensland. It used to be in AMS. I think it may have gone. Do you know Matts I & II? > I thought you said that they turned off the stereo in the summer of 2001. > Wasn't this due to the engineer thinking that stereo off= more coverage? > 4AK sounded so good in stereo recorded off of the Sony SRF-A1 walkman. > I'd buy one but the walkman doesn't have extended coverage. Right? I don't think Sony has extended band but 4AK is on 1242 - the same as Victoria's 3GV (formerly 3TR) - which still is in stereo! You may be thinking of Melbourne's 3AK. It's still in stereo with no pilot. The engineer thinks AM stereo is a lost cause but keeps it in stereo "as a backup" - which seems a stupid reason to me. 3AK's higher rating sister (music) station 3MP is in mono and apparently the same argument doesn't apply to it. It doesn't make sense. However there's talk that 3MP is about to replace its transmitter (circa 1975) so as to improve its coverage. Using the engineer's argument if it's a stereo transmitter he should get it going (as a backup!). > How is AM Stereo in Aussie land? It's a very slow losing battle here. There's very few wins but the losses are also very slow. If there was some sort of resurgence in the US it would certainly happen here. I've just ordered two more little Sony walkmans from Audio Cubes. I can't imagine anything worse than having AMS transmitted and no walkman to here it with. Ian Melbourne From baansy@yahoo.com Sat Mar 27 21:12:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99609 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2004 05:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2004 05:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41711.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.128) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2004 05:12:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20040328051236.61857.qmail@web41711.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.33] by web41711.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:12:36 PST Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:12:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040327234106.0219d8c0@pop.GameBox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.128 From: ANDREW BAANS Subject: Re: {AMSF} To Eaon in Melbourne X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Holcomb II wrote:Hi! Is 4AK still in stereo? I thought you said that they turned off the stereo in the summer of 2001. Wasn't this due to the engineer thinking that stereo off= more coverage? 4AK sounded so good in stereo recorded off of the Sony SRF-A1 walkman. I'd buy one but the walkman doesn't have extended coverage. Right? How is AM Stereo in Authy land? John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. I was in Toowoomba last December with a C-QUAM AM STEREO receiver and 4AK did not make the stereo indicator come on. 4GR which is also in Toowoomba was still alive and kicking in stereo. I let other people have a listen and they to were very suprised at the sound quality. There was one station in Cairns on 846khz that was making the stereo indicator come on. I think this frequency was once used for 4CA (which is now on FM), but is now used for an easy listening station. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 27 22:16:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61754 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2004 06:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2004 06:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2004 06:16:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2004 06:15:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 06:15:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1063 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.5 Subject: Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > And yes, we're processing the HD a little heavier than we were > previously. When you finally hear it on a consumer radio, the > loudness difference between analog and digital had to be > narrowed...it was too abrupt. Alas, that's another shortcoming of IBOC -- the failure to include a "loudness coefficient". If they had reserved even a single bit in the data stream for this, the station would be able to control the audio gain of the receiver's HD decoder in order to achieve the proper level to match the loudness of their analog audio, _without_ needing to process the audio more heavily. Without that feature, the relative levels of the radio's analog and digital sections are set at some arbitrary level, so if an IBOC station's digital audio sounds "too quiet" compared to their more heavily processed analog audio, the only solution is to increase the processing level of their digital audio as well -- therefore compromising IBOC's supposed ability to escape from the "loudness wars" that have plaged analog AM and FM for decades. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Mar 28 03:39:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93862 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2004 11:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2004 11:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2004 11:39:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 03:39:09 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:39:09 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: norbert_rocks@webtv.net Bcc: Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:39:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2004 11:39:09.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[48D88070:01C414B9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.88 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: Donn says Good Sunday Morning, Chris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Good morning, Chris, Hope all is well, I was almost going to call you last night, then I realized how late it was to be calling.(a few minutes past nine pm) Hope your parents are well and that you're not in the middle of any disasters. I have some questions about xm and/or Sirius radio; I am seriously considering getting the Sirius boombox. So I am running this past two thinking people, you and a level headed guy named Norbert, who asked me,"what was I thinking or why did I get the mini-disc am/fm tv/weather recorder that I got at Target yesterday; which btw I can't even get the tuner to come on plus I have found out in the 67 page plus instruction book that I can't record directly from the tuner....... of course, since I can't even get the f@@king tuner to work, that's a mute point. The tuner is part of the remote, which is about the size of a mini flashlight and then you connect it by a supplied cable to the md recorder. But I digress, I got it because it was a good buy, but I guess it's not if it doesn't do what I wanted it to do, so I'm taking it back to Target. Now I've decided to take the plunge and get satellite radio; since I am a news junkie, cannot pick up any news stations here during the day and at night both WCBS and sister station WBBM our of Chicago are both iffy. I went by Best Buy yesterday and listened to the Sirius boombox and liked the sound and there were at least 5 news stations, of course one - FOX Snooze (aka BNN) I would never listen to, but the others seemed good and also serveral Weather channels, one for the eastern U.S., midwest and the Western U.S. plus one for the entire U.S. The boombox was $99 and I know on top on that you have to prepay a year's subscription (or do you have to prepay a whole year when setting up?). I also noticed the boombox had an headphone jack, which means that I can take my mini fm transmitter and rebroadcast to my other radios within the house. Other than the subscription and the boombox are there any other items I have to buy right now to get it set up? I am having surgery on the 28th of April and will be home from work for 3 - 4 weeks afterwards and am thinking this would be nice to have set up beforehand and something to enjoy while I'm recooperating. Please give me any advice or suggestions. Do you have XM or Sirius? Also, wasn't there a post on the am stereo forum that one of these was having some severe financial difficulties? Sirius is 12.95 per month? Donn curious in St Pete _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time offer) http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&pgmarket=en-us&ST=1/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Mar 28 08:25:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58584 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2004 16:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2004 16:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2004 16:25:35 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2SGNotR096143 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:23:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <4066FB03.9070401@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:19:15 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Tom Ray wrote: Interesting Enough that you said that Tom. Because I have noticed with my Mono Am radio in my van. If I switch WTTM's stereo on( I am not talking about the pilot switch either) and off I can hear a difference in its audio quality and Yes with a mono radio the station does sound better with the stereo ON. You mom has good ears. I just had a small giggle(grin).. because the way you stated that..sounds like she is joining the rest of us nuts that say we can hear things that sometimes you say just cannot be.. >Your Dad sounds like my Mom. When I converted WRCQ to C-Quam years >ago, she called and told me how great the station sounded in AM >stereo......she didn't even have a stereo radio! > > > >TR > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Mar 28 13:03:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28778 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2004 21:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2004 21:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41207.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2004 21:03:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20040328210253.83157.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.28.83] by web41207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:02:53 PST Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:02:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1080386449.1572.99418.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.40 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for sending the IBOC samples,I will look forward to listen to those when my bandwidth goes from the present .1k per minute speed. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Message: 8 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:46:40 -0000 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: HD Samples Hi all. There are new samples posted on the WOR-HD site. These three were recorded directly off the Kenwood radio in my car. http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/audio_samples.htm Tom Ray WOR === message truncated === --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sun Mar 28 15:11:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1123 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2004 23:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2004 23:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2004 23:11:35 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 44706706C0 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 22:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B171A0161 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 22:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040328182043.022e2cd0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 18:23:42 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4066FB03.9070401@skyweb.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been accused of that.. Okay not that but people don't get what I hear. I have to point it out then some people say "Yeah, now that you mention it... I do hear that." And others are like "Uh, I notice nothing." Erm, Tom's mom = better listening ear. John At 11:19 AM 3/28/2004 -0500, you wrote: >You mom has good ears. > I just had a small giggle(grin).. because the way you stated >that..sounds like she is joining the rest of us nuts that say we can >hear things that sometimes you say just cannot be.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sun Mar 28 20:17:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9941 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2004 04:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2004 04:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2004 04:17:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2004 04:17:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 04:17:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 718 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.116.204 Subject: Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > A definite improvement over the previous samples. The sample that really impressed me was the Nicolette Larson sample....I burned it to CD, and played it in several environments....At work in one of the studios, at home on the component system, and in the car....I (personally) found it to be lacking any shortcomings...Maybe my ears are not that good, but I really couldn't complain...My only hope now is that they actually put these radios out in the marketplace en masse, as I still have not seen them in any stores in Miami...I will be buying one from Crutchfield soon...They do have them in stock from what I can tell. --tony From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sun Mar 28 20:25:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88725 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2004 04:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2004 04:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2004 04:25:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2004 04:25:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 04:25:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 356 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.116.204 Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Station in Ocala,Fl. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 I know there's also a CP for a 1210 in Silver Springs, Fla. (near Ocala)...So there's more where this came from. Somewhat OT: Anyone know what 104.3 in nearby Citrus County is doing? I was in New Port Richey this weekend for a wedding and tried picking them up because I was told they had a quirky 'play anything' format, but no luck. --tony/miami From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Sun Mar 28 20:31:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18516 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2004 04:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2004 04:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2004 04:31:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2004 04:31:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 04:31:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 679 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.116.204 Subject: Re: South Florida IBOC Brodcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Francisco Guzman" wrote: > The following Station are gearing up for IBOC Transmision WKIS Kiss > Country (99.9FM) > Miami.WQAM Sports Radio(560AM) Miami.WWNN(1470AM),WSBR(740AM) and > WHSR(980AM) in Boca Raton. This Radio Stations are ownd by Beasley in > South Florida. Fransisco: WQAM, WKIS, WWNN and WSBR are not 'gearing up'. They are already broadcasting in HD Radio...WHSR had not yet started, but has apparently expressed intentions to do so. Aside from these, WRMA/106.7 (owned by Spanish Broadcasting System), and Cox's WEDR/99.1 are also transmitting a digital signal already in South Fla. --tony From oldphones@webtv.net Mon Mar 29 05:29:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17759 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2004 13:29:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2004 13:29:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2004 13:29:54 -0000 Received: from storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id AD211BF6E; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 05:29:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA25548; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 05:29:54 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhM1X2v4Nf87nRLOfziHtBqM7SNQAhUAkAvOmBUoHrPr8q9fW9fea7VKQIU= Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:29:54 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: drtillmancg10@webtv.net, florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Message-ID: <7625-406824D2-1444@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 29 Mar 2004 10:53:47 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Donn, I sell XM at my place of work.. I think it sounds great and overall works well. The sound quality IMHO is good, at least as good as a quality FM Stereo Broadcast and maybe even approaches the quality of a good, well engineered AM Stereo broadcast ( a rarity nowdays! ) :( I did some comparison recordings, the XM stacks up well in my opinion. The monthly subscription of XM runs 9.99 or 9.95 a month, billed several months at a time, or you can prepay like a year in advance. XM charges 14.95 for the initial activation by phone OR 9.95 if done over the Internet. Additional receivers are 6.95 a month. XM seems to be a slightly better deal on monthly costs. The number of channels and variety of programming between XM and Sirius seems pretty comparable. I am just waiting for the next big employee sale to sign up for XM. I especially like the XM 24 Sunny channel ( Beautiful music) and XM71 Watercolors jazz channel. Donn, Florida is outside my XM territory, but I am sure there are plenty of dealers in Florida that can set you up! Bill Snyder - Omaha, NE Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 29 10:30:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87646 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2004 18:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2004 18:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2004 18:30:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2004 18:30:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:30:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7625-406824D2-1444@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 644 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: XM Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Donn, I sell XM at my place of work.. I think it sounds great > and overall works well. The sound quality IMHO is good, at least as > good as a quality FM Stereo Broadcast and maybe even approaches the > quality of a good, well engineered AM Stereo broadcast ( a rarity > nowdays! ) :( > I did some comparison recordings, the XM stacks up well in my > opinion. I listened to XM in a coworker's car, and the treble artifacts literally gave me a headache. The upper harmonics are very harsh and metallic-sounding. In comparison, analog AM and FM's high end is softer and not as dynamic, but has a much warmer, more natural sound. From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Mar 29 14:29:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1062 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2004 22:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2004 22:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2004 22:29:32 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11) id i2TMTUr5017201 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:29:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002201c415dd$4f344d80$6601a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:29:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: XM Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > I listened to XM in a coworker's car, and the treble artifacts > literally gave me a headache. The upper harmonics are very harsh and > metallic-sounding. In comparison, analog AM and FM's high end is I would have agreed with you 5 or 10 years ago but most music stations have hard-drive delivery systems and use some sort of compression. Our stations(s) use 44.1 kHz, 128 bit MPEG layer 2 compression. Then we convert it to analog to go through the board and processing, then back to (compressed) digital for the STL trip to the transmitters (we use a digital CD-Link STL that I can't stand). You can tell which stations use audio compression because, to use your quote, "the treble artifacts give me a headache". There are 6 FM music stations in this market plus the Indianapolis stations and I don't think any of them use uncompressed audio. With hard-drive sizes increasing and prices decreasing, I would hope that we all switched to linear audio before letting IBOC's compression screw it up further. From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Mar 29 15:38:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72357 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2004 23:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2004 23:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2004 23:38:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2004 23:38:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:38:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 135 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 Subject: Denon TU-680NAB alignment points X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, Would anyone have the alignment points for the TU-680NAB as a file or .jpg that could be posted? Best regards, Paul Bigelow From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 29 17:31:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90963 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 01:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2004 01:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 01:31:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2004 01:31:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:31:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002201c415dd$4f344d80$6601a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2569 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.3 Subject: Re: XM Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Our stations(s) use 44.1 kHz, 128 bit MPEG layer 2 compression. Only 128 kbps MP2? Yikes, that's downright *awful*! I thought it was bad enough that some stations still use 192 kbps MP2, which has a dull, gritty, chattery sound to the treble, and frequently cuts the audio response down to only 13 kHz or so. Many stations have are using 384 kbps MP2 these days -- including XM's music storage system -- which still isn't 100% "CD-quality" but is generally good enough to avoid any audible artifacts. But you are correct that poor-quality digital audio compression has caused analog FM's "sparking clean" sound to become quite a rarity in some cases -- especially for commercials, which often sound like they're coming through five or six successive layers of digital compression, causing the treble to sound like shards of broken glass being thrown around. I guess I am lucky in that the one FM station which I listen to frequently -- Greater Media's "Magic 98.3" WMGQ, sister station to WCTC 1450 AM Stereo -- still plays their music direct from CD and their promos and commercials from carts (!) and MiniDisc, and has no STL artifacts to deal with, since the studio is combined with the transmitter site. They also cleaned up their audio processing a few months back; I don't know what they're using, but it might even be a tried-and-true Optimod 8100 because their audio is crisp, clean, well-balanced, and does not suffer from any of the 'grungy' clipping distortion that often plagues FM music stations. One interesting thing, though, is that you can actually hear their AGC working; after the end of a 'loud' song, commercial or liner, the next song might start out very quiet and then gradually increase in volume. Some people might consider that to be a flaw, but I actually like it because it reminds me of someone manually 'riding the gain'. Speaking of which, have you noticed that on most stations, the DJ always talks "through" the music, and never quiets the music to talk "over" it? In the old days, the limitations of audio processing used to necessitate "potting down the music", but even now that such a technique is no longer required, I still prefer the sound of it, because it makes the DJ sound "in control" of the music. But now there are even stations which never allow the DJ to talk over the music at all! NYC's 106.7 "Lite FM" is one example of that -- they've even promoted that fact in TV commercials, saying something like "Lite FM -- the one station where we never talk over the music". From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Mar 29 17:49:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52374 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 01:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2004 01:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 01:49:41 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C48619FDA0 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A4CDC7C45 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040329205619.01ea93c8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:02:13 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <002201c415dd$4f344d80$6601a8c0@jimspc> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} DXing/Magic 98.3 - WMGQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dude, I love Magic 98.3... Good local station. Okay so its not any sort of local here, but thanks to the T-85 and a good antenna... *Smile* And they still use jingles! So what no one knows what I'm talking about when I mention this or WBBO/WKRZ/W... Shall I go on? John (In Bensalem, PA - Near Philly) At 01:31 AM 3/30/2004 +0000, you wrote: >I guess I am lucky in that the one FM station which I listen to >frequently -- Greater Media's "Magic 98.3" WMGQ, sister station to >WCTC 1450 AM Stereo -- still plays their music direct from CD and >their promos and commercials from carts (!) and MiniDisc, and has no >STL artifacts to deal with, since the studio is combined with the >transmitter site. They also cleaned up their audio processing a few >months back; I don't know what they're using, but it might even be a >tried-and-true Optimod 8100 because their audio is crisp, clean, >well-balanced, and does not suffer from any of the 'grungy' clipping >distortion that often plagues FM music stations. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Mar 29 18:23:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12109 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 02:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2004 02:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 02:23:25 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2U2N1sR002151 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:23:01 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2U2MsOM020016 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:22:54 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2U2MsRx019999 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:22:54 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:22:54 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDB75@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:22:44 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} To Eaon in Melbourne X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day John/Ian/Andrew, Yeah 4AK was an amazing AM Stereo station. Correct they turned the Stereo off in early 2001 citing "incompatibility with an increase in their positive modulation" The best AM Stereo coming out of QLD at the moment is 1332 4BU - a do catch quite a bit of DX from them every night, being around 400km away. I'll try and get some (platform motion affected) Airchecks. 4TAB 1008 and 4BC 1116 are still in AM Stereo, but as they are generally talk stations, not much stereo content apart from sweepers etc. There is a great Airchecks of 4BC recently when they had a problem with their playout computer at the studio and reverted to backup CD at the TX. ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/4bc-st.mp3 Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II [mailto:JH_Radio@GameBox.net] Sent: Sunday, 28 March 2004 5:48 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} To Eaon in Melbourne Hi! Is 4AK still in stereo? I thought you said that they turned off the stereo in the summer of 2001. Wasn't this due to the engineer thinking that stereo off= more coverage? 4AK sounded so good in stereo recorded off of the Sony SRF-A1 walkman. I'd buy one but the walkman doesn't have extended coverage. Right? How is AM Stereo in Authy land? John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Mar 29 23:22:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41288 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 07:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2004 07:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 07:22:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2004 07:21:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:21:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 469 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: I missed it, but would this have been a good deal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16702&item=3086809952 I didn't bid, cause 1 - I missed it by 15-20 minutes even though it was in my watch list but I didn't have access to the computer in time, and 2 - I would prefer to pay with PayPal, and 3 - it ended up being a bit more than I'd want to pay right now (although 15 hours before it ended when I looked at it it was sitting at $8.42), seeing as I already have a functional one and a busted one. From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Mar 30 04:12:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79929 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 12:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2004 12:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 12:12:07 -0000 Received: from storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 699FFBEB2 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 04:11:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA26826; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 04:11:56 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAm0ELdqIUNIMsXN0O3VCXPhOAQ4ICFFPhlUTwGsNFnv+Ta6WLeAAHlQ+J Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 06:11:55 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <3832-4069640B-2287@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 30 Mar 2004 11:19:34 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1156 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Kevin T. Maybe the guy need new speakers, I AM SURE that the tinnny excuse of speakers the Ford put In my Contour would make ANY radio sound bad. IT sounds worse on a mono source like Rush on KFAB-AM> I need to get my former co-worker JImmy to put in some decent sounding speakers in my car, or trade. I don't have XM in a car, just the boombox and have NOT noticed too much treble. Maybe it's my 48 year old deaf ears.... Sound is sooo subjective. We put an aftermarket radio in a "55 Thunderbird a few tears ----errrr ---- I mean years ago and I thought it was the worse sounding FM radio I had ever heard. EVEN Oldies KGOR (115,000 watts ERP ) sounded awful. The guy's 1955 Ford radio (all tubes) was unfixable. Even my Dad couldn't fix it for lack of certain parts... got smoked beyond repair... ( He's is the wizard on tube radios) I was really stuck on that deal. One VERY upset customer..... Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Tue Mar 30 16:26:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7633 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 00:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 00:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 00:26:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2004 00:26:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:26:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 283 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > There are new samples posted on the WOR-HD site. The samples actually sound better when you burn them to CD and play them on large speakers, than when you play them on small computer speakers....On studio speakers it's impressive. What's the kbps rate for AM IBOC?? --tony From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 30 16:47:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91629 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 00:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 00:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 00:47:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2004 00:47:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:47:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1066 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.141 Subject: Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The samples actually sound better when you burn them to CD and play > them on large speakers, than when you play them on small computer > speakers....On studio speakers it's impressive. Well, according to Mr. Ray, audio samples downloaded from the Internet are never an accurate representation of how "HD Radio" sounds like in person... or at least that's the standard excuse whenever there's any complaints about the audio quality (or lack thereof). And, following that logic, in the process of copying these samples to CD and playing them on an audio CD player -- both processes which are not 100% accurate and may introduce their own errors and colorizations -- you are only further reducing the accuracy and legitimacy of what you're hearing.... right? > What's the kbps rate for AM IBOC?? Still only 36 kbps -- and I still think RealAudio 8.0 at 32 kbps, such as heard from BBC Radio's web-casts -- sounds clearer and more natural. And even as "metallic" as it often sounds, I would give the edge to Windows Media Audio at 32 kbps, as well. From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Tue Mar 30 18:56:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49553 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 02:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 02:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 02:56:18 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E8321A3386 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 02:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25301A3389 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 02:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040330220635.01ea87e8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:08:41 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Um, they're all waves. How much less compressed can you get other then putting them on something like an anolog reel-to-reel? John At 12:47 AM 3/31/2004 +0000, you wrote: >> The samples actually sound better when you burn them to CD and play >> them on large speakers, than when you play them on small computer >> speakers....On studio speakers it's impressive. > >Well, according to Mr. Ray, audio samples downloaded from the >Internet are never an accurate representation of how "HD Radio" >sounds like in person... or at least that's the standard excuse >whenever there's any complaints about the audio quality (or lack >thereof). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 30 19:22:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98136 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 03:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 03:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 03:22:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2004 03:22:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 03:22:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040330220635.01ea87e8@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1974 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.141 Subject: Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Um, they're all waves. How much less compressed can you get other > then putting them on something like an anolog reel-to-reel? I'm just going by what the "No. 1 market" radio engineers have said. When people complain about the audio quality, they claim that audio samples posted on the web -- even in uncompressed WAV form -- cannot be used as an accurate means to judge the sound quality that IBOC has to offer; apparently, you can only correctly judge it by listening to a real "HD Radio" receiver in person. But yet, it seems when people have even the thinnest of praise for the audio quality, that no longer becomes an issue, and WAV audio samples are fine, even when burned to CD (which is NOT a 100% lossless transfer -- there WILL be glitches introduced, even if they are normally too small to hear). And it is interesting that while the IBOC folks are all rallying against the practice of trans-coding (the process of transferring audio from one digitally compressed format to another, often multiple times), the IBOC audio samples on the iBiquity web site have all been trans-coded to MP3 at as low as 128 kbps.... p.s. I wonder how the ubiquitous "Delilah After Dark" music show would sound on an FM IBOC station; her music is stored as 384 kbps MP2, and then her show is beamed over satellite as 128 kbps MP2 -- and once it gets to the radio station, assuming their STL is uncompressed, it will be trans-coded for the *third* time when IBOC broadcasts it as 96 kbps "HDC". Even on plain analog FM, the digital artifacts on "Delilah" are horrible... so on IBOC, it will likely sound torn to shreds! No wonder small, low-budget AM stations often sound the best... with a 100% analog audio chain, there is nothing to molest the sound quality expect maybe a little background hiss. It's the old "GIGO" rule in reverse -- the cleaner things are on the radio station's side of the airwaves, the cleaner it will sound on your radio. From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Tue Mar 30 19:43:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77607 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 03:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 03:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 03:43:24 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F6A6738A3 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 03:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4771A0165 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 03:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040330224940.01eb11d8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:56:05 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: OT: Sounds of radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Hi. Would a station sound its best if it used cd's, vinyl, for music delivery, and carts for commercial? I can't imagine anything sounding good with digital to analog conversion... Especially since the means of transfer is analog air chain to analog tuner. John From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Mar 31 00:53:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82571 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 08:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 08:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 08:53:13 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040331085258.LMZL2450.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 03:52:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:52:59 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.125 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is correct. The sound is never as good as in person, unless you are playing your computer through a decent amp. I loaded the old samples o my iPod and my wife thought they sounded quite good. I did too. Of course then I heard the Harris samples that I downloaded a while back and didn't know that it wasn't a high quality MP3. Blew me away. As much as I like good analog, and as much as I like good AM stereo, one problem is that many AM stereo radios and receivers had marginal sound quality at best. I imagine one reason people like HD is that if the system does catch on, ALL HD radios will sound at least that good. Even at analog AM stereo's peak, very few radios were any good. The bad versions of the radio shack home and car tuners come to mind. On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 07:22 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > I'm just going by what the "No. 1 market" radio engineers have said. > When people complain about the audio quality, they claim that audio > samples posted on the web -- even in uncompressed WAV form -- cannot > be used as an accurate means to judge the sound quality that IBOC has > to offer; [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 31 01:31:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37385 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 09:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 09:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 09:31:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2004 09:29:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:29:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040330224940.01eb11d8@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1988 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.141 Subject: Re: OT: Sounds of radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Would a station sound its best if it used cd's, vinyl, for music > delivery, and carts for commercial? > I can't imagine anything sounding good with digital to analog > conversion... Especially since the means of transfer is analog air > chain to analog tuner. Theoretically, until the day when the chain can be 100% digital all the way from the DJ's microphone to your radio speaker, it is better to be 100% analog, since any analog-to-digital or digital-to-analog converion is an inherently imperfect process. But in reality, the most important thing to avoid is excessive use of 'lossy' digital compression, which can be in the form of computerized music storage (often as MP2 files), commercials e-mail to the station as MP3 files (very common these days), satellite-based programming (nearly unavoidable), and digitally compressed studio-to-transmitter links (STLs, very common in order to reduce cost and bandwidth requirements). When you start stacking up these multiple layers of lossy digital compression, the final result already can sound very bad on a traditional analog AM or FM broadcast -- and when you add in the final chain-link of IBOC's low-bitrate digital encoding, that's often the straw that breaks the camel's back, so to speak, which brings these flaws right to the forefront. Like I said, the less you do to 'molest' the audio, the cleaner the results will be. I remember when tiny 243-watt daytimer 1170 WBRW (now WWTR) came back on the air in 1997. Their whole setup was a few CD players, turntables, and cart machines, a studio mixing board, an Optimod 9100, and the transmitter -- all in the same trailer. No STL, no computer automation system, no nothing... on a good AMAX reciever, they were literally the best-sounding mono AM station I've ever heard. Even on a medium-bandwidth radio, you could hear every single tambourine rasp during Paul Simon's "50 Ways To Leave Your Lover". That's just the way AM radio should sound! From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Mar 31 02:08:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90447 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 10:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 10:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 10:08:13 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040331100428.TZZU2428.fed1mtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 05:04:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 02:04:26 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.242 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Sounds of radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 01:29 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > Even on a medium-bandwidth radio, you could hear every single > tambourine rasp during Paul Simon's "50 Ways To Leave Your Lover". > That's just the way AM radio should sound! Except for the song itself. It drove me crazy when it was popular. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougharding@mindspring.com Wed Mar 31 07:33:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42310 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 15:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 15:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 15:33:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2004 15:32:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:32:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 777 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Re: XM Radio Sound Quality X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I listened to XM in a coworker's car, and the treble artifacts > literally gave me a headache. The upper harmonics are very harsh and > metallic-sounding. In comparison, analog AM and FM's high end is > softer and not as dynamic, but has a much warmer, more natural sound. I have had XM radio for almost a year now in both the home and car and I have to agree with Kevin. I cannot stand to listen to the music more then a hour. It in fact has gotten worse since they added the traffic channels. The reason I have kept it is I like listening to CNN, FOX news MSNBC etc in the car. I do not use it for music anymore. I paid a year in advance but when I renew it I will only renew the car radio. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 31 08:12:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8144 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 16:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 16:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 16:12:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2004 16:11:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:11:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 539 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: OT: Sounds of radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > Even on a medium-bandwidth radio, you could hear every single > > tambourine rasp during Paul Simon's "50 Ways To Leave Your Lover". > > That's just the way AM radio should sound! >=20 > Except for the song itself. It drove me crazy when it was popular. Well, it doesn't match the pure brilliance of "Kodachrome", that's for=20 sure. (BTW, supposedly there was an edited version which used the=20 line "all the _stuff_ I learned in high school", for those stations=20 which thought it was too risqu=E9 to allow the word "crap" on the air!) From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Mar 31 09:44:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43562 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 17:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 17:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 17:35:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2004 17:33:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:33:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040330224940.01eb11d8@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1137 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: OT: Sounds of radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > Hi. > Would a station sound its best if it used cd's, vinyl, for music delivery, and carts for commercial? Good heavens, no. Vinyl and the equipment to play it on takes tons of abuse in a radio station environment, and comes nowhere near delivering the sound quality it is capable of. Perhaps you weren't around to catch the days of cue burns, worn needles, rumbling turntable motors, stuck grooves, clumsy DJs hitting the tone arm, and so on. Vinyl DOES sound better than CD, but only on a carefully adjusted, well maintained system, with records in excellent condition. Run it 24/7 on broadcast-grade equipment, and CD clobbers it. Carts suck. They just do. It was a format for convenience, not high fidelity. Just getting the durn things to go at a reasonably constant speed was a victory over the laws of physics. There are much worse things than D to A conversion. Lossless digital has scads of advantages over analog in a broadcasting environment. It's only when you start the lossy data compression that you get into trouble. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 31 09:54:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82040 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 17:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 17:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 17:54:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2004 17:54:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:54:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1067 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: OT: Sounds of radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There are much worse things than D to A conversion. Lossless > digital has scads of advantages over analog in a broadcasting > environment. It's only when you start the lossy data compression > that you get into trouble. BTW, the first time I ever heard digital compression artifacts was on an AM Stereo station -- 1660 WJDM, around 1996-1997... they were running the once-brilliant "Radio Aahs" kids' format from the satellite, and I thought it sounded a bit funny, with a strange "tinge" to the sound. In retrospect, it was probably something like 128 kbps MP2. The worst thing, though, is to take a noisy analog source and put it through lossy digital compression. 'Tape hiss' creates a lot of random phase noise, which can easily overwhelm the "joint stereo" encoding used by many systems like MP3, creating an annoyingly obvious "underwater" or "chattering" effect. I hear this the worst on some non-commercial FM stations which still play a lot of stuff from tape and vinyl, and then try to feed it through a low-bitrate digital STL. Yuck! From bradleyj2@aol.com Wed Mar 31 09:59:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98368 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 17:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 17:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 17:59:37 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r1.2.) id r.82.83d0dbc (15865) for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:58:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d25.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.166]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df9406b06d6165; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:58:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:58:46 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <515CC7FD.3131DEA3.022E759B@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 216.108.210.98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.7 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: XM Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 In a message dated 3/29/2004 8:31:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > But you are correct that poor-quality digital audio compression has > caused analog FM's "sparking clean" sound to become quite a rarity in > some cases -- especially for commercials, which often sound like > they're coming through five or six successive layers of digital > compression, causing the treble to sound like shards of broken glass > being thrown around. > > I guess I am lucky in that the one FM station which I listen to > frequently -- Greater Media's "Magic 98.3" WMGQ, sister station to > WCTC 1450 AM Stereo -- still plays their music direct from CD and > their promos and commercials from carts (!) and MiniDisc, and has no > STL artifacts to deal with, since the studio is combined with the > transmitter site. They also cleaned up their audio processing a few > months back; I don't know what they're using, but it might even be a > tried-and-true Optimod 8100 because their audio is crisp, clean, > well-balanced, and does not suffer from any of the 'grungy' clipping > distortion that often plagues FM music stations. Both of the above make me even more happy to be working where I am. Here at KMX we are still "100% live and local" as the promo says. We use CD's and Carts to play all of our music and commercials. In fact we're playing the new Avril Lavigne tune off of cart since we had to edit it! And we sound different than any other station I've worked for. When they put the station on 30 years ago, the CE didn't like the sound of any of the processing boxes, so he built his own FM box. In fact, we're still using it to this day. The little black box (actually gray box behind locked plexiglass) has very few controls...And our CE is very hush hush about it when I've asked about it. But our audio goes out to about 17.5khz looking at it in Cool Edit Pro. Our backup audio chain has the 8100/xt chasis. We do have an Orban 8400 digital collecting dust on a shelf. The engineer calls it the "blue turd" :-) I've got an mp3 (10mb) I can send anyone who'd like to hear what we sound like. - Brad From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 31 10:28:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97720 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 17:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 17:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 17:30:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2004 17:28:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:28:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 365 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: RCA tuner w/AM hi-fi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is not an AM Stereo tuner, as the listing claims, but does have a very nice-sounding "AM Hi-Fi" mode, with a 10 kHz filter for excellent AMAX-quality sound. It tunes the complete Expanded Band up to 1710 kHz, too, and would make a great conversion to AM Stereo with one of Chris's decoders: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3087738865 From castellano105@yahoo.com Wed Mar 31 12:21:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7212 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 20:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 20:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 20:20:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20040331202008.19689.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.45.228.91] by web60204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:20:08 PST Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:20:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040330224940.01eb11d8@pop.GameBox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.99 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Sounds of radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Look today very few station use vinel,or tape they use CD,From Caruso,to Brittany. Some are Analog CD,Ohters are AD-Analog-Didital,and the rest are Pure Digital. The best way to test the fidelity of Speakers is to Play a pure CD Digital recording of a Mozart or Beethoven musical pice. The same goes for AM Mono/Stereoor FM Stereo. That way you dont have reverb or compresion Just the full Music spectrum to heare. --- John Holcomb II wrote: > Hi. > Would a station sound its best if it used cd's, > vinyl, for music delivery, and carts for commercial? > I can't imagine anything sounding good with digital > to analog conversion... Especially since the means > of transfer is analog air chain to analog tuner. > John > > > > ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From castellano105@yahoo.com Wed Mar 31 13:01:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86496 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 21:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 21:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 21:00:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2004 20:59:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:59:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 203 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 64.45.228.91 Subject: Wall Sreet is Bullish on IBOC. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Investors,Commpanys,Corporation are putting their money on IBOC. Yes it looks like Wall STREET is Bullish on IBOC. With so much Money being invested on IBOC,it lookes like the death of Analog Radio. From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Mar 31 13:17:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37007 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 21:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 21:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 21:17:28 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040331211328.URWZ2430.fed1mtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:13:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:13:23 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3E2B6A3C-8358-11D8-8EB3-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.6.19.243 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Sounds of radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In LA, the version I remember had "crap" bleeped. Probably on KHJ. On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 08:11 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > > Well, it doesn't match the pure brilliance of "Kodachrome", that's for > sure.=A0 (BTW, supposedly there was an edited version which used the > line "all the _stuff_ I learned in high school", for those stations > which thought it was too risqu=E9 to allow the word "crap" on the air!) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From berettagtz@bonbon.net Wed Mar 31 16:43:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: berettagtz@bonbon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79580 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2004 00:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2004 00:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2004 00:19:42 -0000 Received: from bonbon.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 10DD41A80B4 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:02:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ernestjones (gso26-192-198.triad.rr.com [66.26.192.198]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0CC10635 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <001801c4177e$cb016180$6700a8c0@ernestjones> To: References: <20040331202008.19689.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:17:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: "Ernest Jones" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Sounds of radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174081060 X-Yahoo-Profile: e92fmjamz Most Urban formatted stations reguarly get in new music on vinyl, but on the other hand, most of the DJ's bring in their own equipment and their own supply of records.... ------- Ernest AIM: femjamz Yahoo: e92fmjamz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco Guzman" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 3:20 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Sounds of radio stations > Look today very few station use vinel,or tape they use > CD,From Caruso,to Brittany. Some are Analog CD,Ohters > are AD-Analog-Didital,and the rest are Pure Digital. > The best way to test the fidelity of Speakers is to > Play a pure CD Digital recording of a Mozart or > Beethoven musical pice. The same goes for AM > Mono/Stereoor FM Stereo. That way you dont have reverb > or compresion Just the full Music spectrum to heare. > --- John Holcomb II wrote: > > Hi. > > Would a station sound its best if it used cd's, > > vinyl, for music delivery, and carts for commercial? > > I can't imagine anything sounding good with digital > > to analog conversion... Especially since the means > > of transfer is analog air chain to analog tuner. > > John > > > > > > > > > > ===== > Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Mar 31 19:21:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83548 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2004 03:21:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2004 03:21:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2004 03:21:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20040401032114.34593.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.87] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:21:14 PST Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:21:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Sounds of radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > Well, it doesn't match the pure brilliance of > "Kodachrome", that's for > sure. (BTW, supposedly there was an edited version > which used the > line "all the _stuff_ I learned in high school", for > those stations > which thought it was too risqué to allow the word > "crap" on the air!) At WKDK we'd turn the pot WIDE open at CRAP to try to make it sound a bit louder..... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Apr 01 04:39:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58270 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2004 12:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2004 12:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2004 12:39:37 -0000 Received: from storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net (unknown [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id CF28310639 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 04:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA22340; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 04:39:27 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRNnen5qRz9Zw158JqYcXuPciuvbQIVAItZUkf0ROkryNaaVrWBPAdk3LaK Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:39:27 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <8360-406C0D7F-1265@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 1 Apr 2004 11:54:01 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1158 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Although I only "DJ'ed" at a low power College station. I always got the impression that most of the big stations did not rotinely play Lp's ( records) live off the vinyl all the time. At a music station all that wear on the styli and records would quickly grind the LP's to dust, and your turntable would suffer well. The college station I was at was AM carrier current, served our needs okay in the late 70;s, 80's They never applied for an "FM" educational license, despite the fact that frequencies were available in the locality. Peru State's KPSC alway stayed on as a ultra low power AM. ( Recently a commercial station KNCY-FM (Nebraska City, NE) moved to 103.1 and put up a new transmitter and tower 2 miles west of Peru, giving Ne City, Peru & Auburn a strong community oriented radio station. Peru is appox 62 air miles from South Omaha, Ralston, NE and I am at the extreme fringe of KNCY-FM here . ) KNCY-Am 1600 // KNCY-FM 103.1 Back on topic --- My two real Idol stations when I was young were KOIL with it;s state of the art (1968) cool-O broadcasting Palace ( and dee'jays) in West Omaha, and the heritage KFAB's studios. KFAB played mostly records live during the day parts. Night was usually automated on carts or long play automated tape, Same with KFAB's fm sister KGOR> They would make a master copy of all brand new records for archival purposes and the "automated system". "Sernade in the Night" was KFAB's overnight program ( AM Stereo in 1984) until 1990 when they went News/ Talk 24/ 7. KOIL eventual morped Into today;s News/Talk 1290 KKAR, Steve Brown has been there forever....Talking and DJing...... Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Apr 01 09:45:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78493 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2004 17:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2004 17:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2004 17:45:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2004 17:43:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:41:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 842 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: WBAP in Dallas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Some good news... as most of you know, WBAP-Dallas, a news-talker that features Rush Limbaugh, broadcasts in AM Stereo. Well, very recently, I've noticed WBAP actually PROMOTING the fact that they're in AM Stereo! In fact, all of the sudden, a bunch of their sweepers have voices jumping from speaker to speaker. Very cool! (WBAP is the 2nd highest rated station in Dallas right now, by the way.) I don't know anyone at that station, so I don't know the thinking behind this new promotion of AM Stereo. But I DO know that a competing AM mono station is starting to climb in the ratings thanks to Bill O'Reilly's radio show. Since WBAP has been all alone atop Dallas' AM dial for SO long, maybe having another AM around with some fresh momentum is causing WBAP to take some preemptive action. As Drudge says... developing... From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Thu Apr 01 09:55:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41179 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2004 17:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2004 17:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2004 17:55:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2004 17:53:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:53:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 458 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: NYC AMS Roll Call X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 I may be spending a night in NYC in late August....What AM stations in the NYC area are still in Stereo with full separation (if any)? Also, what's the status of WADO's POWERSide? Last I knew from this list it was off, but just wanted to check if perchance they had turned it back on with pilot...I have since bought myself one of the Canadian multimode Sony tuners with multimode pilot detection and plan on taking it with me to the trip. Tony/Miami From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 01 11:08:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94890 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2004 19:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2004 19:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2004 19:08:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2004 19:07:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:07:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 936 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: NYC AMS Roll Call X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I may be spending a night in NYC in late August....What AM stations > in the NYC area are still in Stereo with full separation (if any)? Depending on your location, you may be able to hear: 600 WICC Bridgeport, CT 800 WLAD Danbury, CT 850 WREF Ridgefield, CT 1210 WPHT Philadelphia, PA 1450 WCTC New Brunswick, NJ 1660 WWRU Jersey City, NJ 1680 WTTM Princeton, NJ There's also 1530 WJDM (Elizabeth, NJ) transmitting a C-Quam signal, but with no pilot tone and audio in the left channel only, I wouldn't really count them as an "AM Stereo" station. In the list above, all have full Stereo separation except WWRU. > Also, what's the status of WADO's POWERSide? Last I knew from this > list it was off, but just wanted to check if perchance they had > turned it back on with pilot... It's been off for a few months now. 1600 WWRL is still transmitting Kahn Power-Side, but I don't think they have the pilot tone enabled. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Apr 01 12:18:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82552 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2004 20:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2004 20:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2004 20:18:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2004 20:16:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 20:16:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1187 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: WBAP in Dallas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key WBAP is licenced to Ft Worth, btw. Well... thanks for letting me know about another skywave signal to get an aircheck from on my SRF-42 from El Cajon, CA.... I'll have to wait till midnight or so when the Mexicali station goes off the air. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > Some good news... as most of you know, WBAP-Dallas, a news-talker > that features Rush Limbaugh, broadcasts in AM Stereo. Well, very > recently, I've noticed WBAP actually PROMOTING the fact that they're > in AM Stereo! In fact, all of the sudden, a bunch of their sweepers > have voices jumping from speaker to speaker. Very cool! (WBAP is > the 2nd highest rated station in Dallas right now, by the way.) > > I don't know anyone at that station, so I don't know the thinking > behind this new promotion of AM Stereo. But I DO know that a > competing AM mono station is starting to climb in the ratings thanks > to Bill O'Reilly's radio show. Since WBAP has been all alone atop > Dallas' AM dial for SO long, maybe having another AM around with some > fresh momentum is causing WBAP to take some preemptive action. > > As Drudge says... developing... From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Apr 01 15:52:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27455 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2004 23:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2004 23:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2004 23:40:34 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11) id i31NeViD073353 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:40:32 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001c01c41842$bb1c2ab0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:40:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NYC AMS Roll Call X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Kevin T wrote: > There's also 1530 WJDM (Elizabeth, NJ) transmitting a C-Quam signal, > but with no pilot tone and audio in the left channel only, I wouldn't > really count them as an "AM Stereo" station. Color me curious... Why would they transmit a C-Quam signal with no pilot and audio in the left channel only? Makes no sense to me. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 01 17:02:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88539 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2004 00:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2004 00:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2004 00:50:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2004 00:48:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 00:48:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c41842$bb1c2ab0$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 743 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.5 Subject: Re: NYC AMS Roll Call X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Color me curious... Why would they transmit a C-Quam signal with no > pilot and audio in the left channel only? > Makes no sense to me. It sure doesn't, but perhaps their engineer "forgot" that the C-Quam exciter is still active. It happens... just like the stations which "forget" to reduce power or sign off the air at sunset. And just today, I heard a JC Penney commercial on an NYC FM station which had its audio only in the left channel. During the entire commercial, the right channel was completely silent. How could they not notice such an obvious mistake? All the other commercials were playing fine, and since they play everything from a computer system, that rules out an excuse like "bad cart" or "unplugged wire". From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Apr 01 17:47:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99889 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2004 01:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2004 01:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2004 01:47:10 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i321jFmP008582 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:45:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <406CC475.1030400@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 20:40:05 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <001c01c41842$bb1c2ab0$6501a8c0@jimspc> In-Reply-To: <001c01c41842$bb1c2ab0$6501a8c0@jimspc> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NYC AMS Roll Call X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit makes lots Of sense if you look at it this way. Bad crystal Oscillator in the transmitter.. so they are using the an old stereo exciter as the external oscillator to keep the transmitter on the air.... I did that once until I was able to Fix the main oscillator board.. station was back on the air owners were happy... I also did that at WTTM before I had both broadcast lines installed from the studio. Jim Burgan wrote: >>Kevin T wrote: >>There's also 1530 WJDM (Elizabeth, NJ) transmitting a C-Quam signal, >>but with no pilot tone and audio in the left channel only, I wouldn't >>really count them as an "AM Stereo" station. >> >> > >Color me curious... Why would they transmit a C-Quam signal with no pilot >and audio in the left channel only? >Makes no sense to me. > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Thu Apr 01 18:30:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15815 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2004 02:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2004 02:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2004 02:30:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2004 02:29:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 02:29:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1105 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Well, according to Mr. Ray, audio samples downloaded from the > Internet are never an accurate representation of how "HD Radio" > sounds like in person... or at least that's the standard excuse > whenever there's any complaints about the audio quality (or lack > thereof). The "excuse" is that the previous samples were recorded off of a piece of test equipment, and no, you can't tell fully what the system can do from a monitoring device. And if you listen to them on computer speakers on most sound cards, you can't get a good representation of what they will sound like. Burn them to a CD and listen to them in the car or on a good stereo system or a boom box. That will give you a better representation than computer speakers and a sound card. The samples presently on the site were recorded off of a consumer level Kenwood HD radio....exactly what someone who buys one will get. The only difference is that the audio is picked off at the preamp output rather than the speaker terminals. TR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Apr 01 18:45:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43605 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2004 02:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2004 02:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2004 02:45:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2004 02:44:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 02:44:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2845 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > p.s. I wonder how the ubiquitous "Delilah After Dark" music show > would sound on an FM IBOC station; her music is stored as 384 kbps > MP2, and then her show is beamed over satellite as 128 kbps MP2 -- > and once it gets to the radio station, assuming their STL is > uncompressed, it will be trans-coded for the *third* time when IBOC > broadcasts it as 96 kbps "HDC". Even on plain analog FM, the digital > artifacts on "Delilah" are horrible... so on IBOC, it will likely > sound torn to shreds! > > No wonder small, low-budget AM stations often sound the best... with > a 100% analog audio chain, there is nothing to molest the sound > quality expect maybe a little background hiss. It's the old "GIGO" > rule in reverse -- the cleaner things are on the radio station's side > of the airwaves, the cleaner it will sound on your radio. So what you're saying is that a 100% analog audio chain on a low budget station will "mask" any nasties in the audio? Perhaps it has nothing to do with out of date processing equipment and a transmitter that was new during the Kennedy administration? And that analog AM is a good excuse to push crappy audio through the system because it will sound just dandy??? Before you decide to take me to task and put words in my mouth that were never uttered, perhaps you should make sure your house is in order. In January, in response to a Time Magazine article, I stated that the analog AM processing would mask certain things the reporter was hearing on the HD channel. Your response to me was that compression would not mask but enhance what she was hearing in the HD channel and that the problem was with the frequency response....a statement that is completely wrong. Now here you are saying that an analog AM signal will mask problems in the source audio. Why, when you make this statement, is it correct and the compression and processing has nothing to do with it? Won't it enhance the problems? I have always stated that previous clips were recorded through test equipment under test conditions. And I've also stated that you cannot judge these files on computer speakers and through sound cards, which vary widely in quality. I have never stated that these clips cannot be judged because they are downloaded over the internet or are posted on a web server. Bits is bits. Our clips are recorded through $1500 Digigram computer sound cards which are considerably more accurate than a Sound Blaster. To get the full appreciation of these clips, they should be burned to CD and played in the car, on a boom box, and on a good stereo system. That is the only way to judge them fairly. That and without an attitude where they are pre-judged before being listened to. TR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 01 20:34:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63296 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2004 04:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2004 04:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2004 04:34:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2004 04:34:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 04:34:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1873 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.4 Subject: Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > the cleaner things are on the radio station's side of the > > airwaves, the cleaner it will sound on your radio. > > So what you're saying is that a 100% analog audio chain on a low > budget station will "mask" any nasties in the audio? Mr. Ray, you said it to me, so I'll say it to you -- don't put words in my mouth. Go back and re-read the last sentence in my message, which I have back-quoted above. I never said that a fully analog audio chain will mask any flaws in the input audio. I did say, however, that a fully analog audio chain will not "molest" the audio as much as multiple instances of analog- to-digital / digital-to-analog conversion and multiple layers of lossy digital compression, as is found in some broadcast audio chains these days (example: "New Jersey 101.5" WKXW-FM). In other words, that kind of convoluted air-chain with a mix of analog and digital equipment can introduce many more flaws in the resulting on-air audio than either 1.) a fully analog air-chain or 2.) a fully digital air-chain. And until the day that No. 2 becomes feasible, it is better to stick with No. 1 if you strive to have the best-sounding audio, not just the loudest audio. The distinction becomes even clearer when the input audio already has audible flaws, such an artifact-filled satellite audio feed. Analog does not "mask" these flaws; it simply does not *exaggerate* the flaws like the way additional layers of digital processing can -- and that's why there's such a commotion over the way IBOC's low-bitrate digital signal can make audio which sounds OK over an analog signal suddenly start to sound very, very bad. If you don't believe me, listen to the Michael Savage network feed over an analog AM signal, and then through an AM IBOC signal. It's so bad to begin with that IBOC can only made it sound worse, not better. From oldphones@webtv.net Fri Apr 02 04:44:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9898 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2004 12:43:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2004 12:43:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2004 12:43:58 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (unknown [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 4883FBE5D; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 04:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA26140; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 04:43:57 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQ7IcMbIpSizkUzirtr+WVojSzPOgIUaPmIIOhxfQRqcyuPYGIH0R1ZtHs= Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:43:56 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com Message-ID: <22181-406D600C-311@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 2 Apr 2004 11:34:05 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just found out yesterday after my first post, WHOLESALE changes at the Mighty 1290 KKAR, a complete re- shuffling of the cards. Steve Brown 's "Talk of the Town" KKAR' s longest running morning talk program is moving to the noon time slot to ramp up against Rush Limbaugh. Steve was already against Rush when his program expanded to 3 hours 9 to noon, a couple of years ago. Steve is a true legend in the biz, having been KOIL's manager and a D J for many years until KKAR went on the air in 1987. Many KOIL personnel went to KKAR ) Steve is the conservatives best friend. After the 1987 KKAR sign on , Vintage KOIL was never quite the same since then, Waitt media now owns and operates 1290 KKAR & 1020 KOIL plus 2 other AMs, and many FM stations in this market...Sweet 98 ( Q 98.5 ), etal... This makes " Live and Local" Steve Brown and Sean Hannity KKAR's two big draws... We just had a BIG shake up on the FM dial with big changes at Q98.5 , the City, the Dam, the Blaze, etc.... At least they didn't blow KKAR up like when Clear Channel blew up the "DAM", recently!!! P/ S. I just had a nice in person talk with Steve Brown face to face at an recent political meeting LAST week , talking with him about taxes and the broadcasting business!! No mention of changes at that time.... Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Fri Apr 02 04:53:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41327 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2004 12:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2004 12:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.193) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2004 12:53:55 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (unknown [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 8E03ABE4C for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 04:47:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA26291; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 04:47:55 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAk8C4VKaISuXz+RSHmEPtVmz0UBACFQDEQt5Gkc+asN9cS4R5UGbAaGp2Yw== Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:47:55 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <22183-406D60FB-136@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 2 Apr 2004 11:34:05 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.193 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 WBAP is a real class act, Glad they they can see the value of AM Stereo, NOW if more big 50 Kw powerhouses could have the same values toward AM Stereo the world would be a LOT happier place!!!! I think I may have some WBAP contact info, I will check..... Bill Snyder - Omaha Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From tomray@wor710.com Fri Apr 02 13:18:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14597 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2004 20:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2004 20:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2004 20:00:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2004 19:59:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:59:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 279 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.206.116 Subject: HD Audio Spectral Plot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray A reader to Radio World sent along a spectral plot of the audio from the Lincoln Tunnel clip. Very interesting to see...especially the IBOC frequency response out to 15kHz (it's a logarithmic scale). http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/worhd_audio_plot.htm Tom Ray WOR From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Fri Apr 02 14:10:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51633 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2004 21:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2004 21:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2004 21:50:34 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 784101BC256 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 21:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45227DCA7B7 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 21:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040402170143.00b01ae8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:03:22 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: John Holcomb II Subject: CFCO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Is there any chance at all I'll be able to get CFCO from here in Bensalem, PA? Seems like a long stretch to me, but maybe. John From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Fri Apr 02 15:20:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25037 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2004 23:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2004 23:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2004 23:20:05 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BCE141B4FCF for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 23:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761071A019A for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040402182732.027f26e8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:32:51 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Static on the entire band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. Lately I've noticed that weather I'm at home or in the car, there's lots of static in this area. Why could this be? Stations that used to come in clear seem to be wiped out buy something..... Should I like send a sample? On another note: 93.7 WSTW comes in very weird, like there is something inside our engine that is making the station come in with this on-going rumbling noise. This didn't used to happen in this area either. once I turn off the car engine, the station comes in fine. The station isn't faidy either... It used to only happen in center city with WSTW and WPST, but now WSTW is doing that here in Bensalem, too. What is going on in the airwaves? John (Who wonders if WMMR/WYSP is transmitting IBOC? But I don't think that's the problem. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Fri Apr 02 17:05:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14368 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2004 23:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2004 23:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2004 23:21:24 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BF9474DCE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8D01A01A7 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040402183338.027fa0e8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:34:10 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040402182732.027f26e8@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Static on the entire band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eaks... The band that the static is happening on the entire band is the AM Band... At 06:32 PM 4/2/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Hi. >Lately I've noticed that weather I'm at home or in the car, there's lots of static in this area. >Why could this be? Stations that used to come in clear seem to be wiped out buy something..... >Should I like send a sample? >On another note: 93.7 WSTW comes in very weird, like there is something inside our engine that is making the station come in with this on-going rumbling noise. >This didn't used to happen in this area either. once I turn off the car engine, the station comes in fine. The station isn't faidy either... It used to only happen in center city with WSTW and WPST, but now WSTW is doing that here in Bensalem, too. What is going on in the airwaves? > > > > >John (Who wonders if WMMR/WYSP is transmitting IBOC? But I don't think that's the problem. > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Apr 02 20:24:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 91850 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2004 04:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2004 04:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2004 04:24:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2004 04:23:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 52131 invoked by uid 65534); 3 Apr 2004 04:23:41 -0000 Date: 3 Apr 2004 04:23:41 -0000 Message-ID: <1080966221.15159.52098.w26@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /digital/Worgraph.gif Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Spectrum analysis graph of WOR's audio, from their "Lincoln Tunnel" audio sample. Purple line is analog, blue line is digital. The Kenwood radio's analog AM response drops off sharply above 3.5 kHz, and WOR's digital audio is several dB louder than the analog. However, even the digital audio's response drops off quite a bit above 8 kHz. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/digital/Worgraph.gif To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Apr 03 20:27:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49597 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2004 04:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2004 04:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2004 04:27:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2004 04:27:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 04:27:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 176 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 68.94.76.116 Subject: Re: HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << And I've also stated that you cannot judge these files on computer speakers and through sound cards, which vary widely in quality. >> Just another reason I like my Mac. From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Apr 04 05:48:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60860 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2004 12:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2004 12:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2004 12:48:57 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (unknown [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id B288F105A2; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 05:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA08272; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 05:48:57 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAuY459pMKzbS/2nxQ6F/+TBrDWWwCFF57KPnOHhT2WOISO3LbLfOe2LSs Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 06:48:57 -0600 (CST) To: ABDX@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, drtillmancg10@webtv.net, florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Message-ID: <28982-40700439-752@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: K F A B X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 My co worker at work started what I thought was a bad April Fools Day joke.... Have You heard about the "New: radio station in Town..... Al Beatles Music all the Time .... FAB Four Radio!!=20 =20=20=20 Seems that the Big neon sign in front of K.F.A.B. studios in Dundee sez _ F A B at night The "K" in KFAB burned out!! And Clear Channel is tooo cheap or lazy to fix it!!=A0 It's true! I "had" to drive by the KFAB digs last night to check it out!!!=20=20=20 KFAB is the legendary Omaha 50 KW station around here. 99.9 KGOR (Kfab-Fm), 93.3 KQRC, Kat 103 KXKT, and recently acquired 96.1 KEFM (formerly KOIL-FM) share the same building, studios with 1110 KFAB in in Omaha!=20 Bill S - Omaha =20=20 Oldphones@ webtv. net=20=20=20 I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 04 06:43:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24752 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2004 13:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2004 13:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2004 13:43:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2004 13:43:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 13:42:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002601c4001f$26b81180$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 774 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.14.208 Subject: Re: Project AM STEREO under way. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith" wrote: > Hi Guys I finley did it i just ordered a AM STEREO exciter for a sertan station 610 kc . If thay still don't use i will offer it to my local radio station on 950 kc. But i want to try 610 am first because thay have the maching trannsmitter. Thay have a Harris Gates 5 5kw and the exciter i am going to send them is a Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO Exciter. Thay are a maching pair. Cool hay. Now if i am not a AM STEREO nut on this forum i would be spechless. Now this is the kind of stuff we sould be doing in sted of fighting with each other. Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hi My deal died because thay sold it before i ordered it!!!!! Jim Smith From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Apr 04 09:06:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21320 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2004 16:06:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2004 16:06:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2004 16:06:04 -0000 Received: from storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (unknown [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 50CB310551 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 09:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id JAA01203; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 09:05:12 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRO///9Y7j+u1UlMXJLm+0n+yjEpAIUBttWvtN50+Ed6xNpmoZepTF8d6o= Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 11:05:11 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <17226-40703237-286@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: K F A B X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought that some of your AM stereo fans might find this little story about KFAB // Claer Channel a bit amusing>>>> to follow Bill S. - Omaha Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Apr 04 10:35:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15688 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2004 17:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2004 17:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2004 17:35:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2004 17:35:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 17:35:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 171 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.6.204 Subject: Website with 2CA recording - Who's the owner ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan JUst come accrosss this site on google. Who's is this ?! Some great snapshots of Australia also plus a long recording of 2CA in am stereo! http://www.sillett.us.eu.org/ From oldphones@webtv.net Mon Apr 05 11:19:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99396 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2004 18:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2004 18:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.194) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2004 18:19:24 -0000 Received: from storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (unknown [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 58CD510567; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id LAA23245; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:19:20 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAohmuZZCOudOQke9GYH7UThQUNysCFHjNBQzd8ddkeYbmDLK24/E3IOzm Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:19:20 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereo@topica.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, michaelj@vcn.com Message-ID: <26853-4071A328-4077@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Michael J. Richard" 's message of Mon, 5 Apr 2004 07:20:45 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.194 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: (AM Stereo) CAM-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I will continue to monitor the situation. I am listening to the farm report on KRVN as I type this.. SRF-A100 in The 'B" mode Kahn-Hazeltine System Hey, the cattle have future, Not tooo sure about IBOC!!! Saturday or Sunday's seem like my , your best chance of getting music on KRVN Lexington, NE I will keep trying. The Trip to Central Nebraska went okay, still could not tell if there really any stereo separation,,, I might run this by Chuck Ramold who engineers for KRVN Co-owed KTIC / KWPN. Bill Snyder - Omaha Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Apr 05 11:55:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18477 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2004 18:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2004 18:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2004 18:55:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2004 18:54:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:54:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 143 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.22.215 Subject: 2CC and ABC Canberra in AMS ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I see on the 2CC site the logo has the words stereo am 1206 in the logo, unusal ? I thought all ABC stations switched off stereo years ago ? From stodd@vippn.com Mon Apr 05 13:47:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31798 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2004 20:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2004 20:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2004 20:47:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2004 20:46:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:46:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040402170143.00b01ae8@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 598 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: CFCO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > Is there any chance at all I'll be able to get CFCO from here in Bensalem, PA? > Seems like a long stretch to me, but maybe. > John Probably not. They have a pretty good null in your direction in their night pattern, though you might get it just after sunset your time if the conditions are right for the brief period they're still on day pattern. Most of their energy goes north. I know that there are a couple of Canadian stations on 1570 which I hear in MSP even though they also beam north. Scott Todd From dav259@csiro.au Mon Apr 05 17:31:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68962 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2004 23:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2004 23:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2004 23:24:51 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i35Ms7Kb005856 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:54:52 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:54:07 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2CC and ABC Canberra in AMS ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Dave wrote: > I see on the 2CC site the logo has the words stereo am 1206 in the > logo, unusal ? > > I thought all ABC stations switched off stereo years ago ? Hi Dave. 2CC is a commercial news-talk station in Canberra. It takes alot of it's programming from 2UE Sydney - and 2UE's feed is in stereo. It not only goes to AM regional stations but several FMS stations. The ABC's local Canberra station is 2CN on 666. Ian From stodd@vippn.com Mon Apr 05 17:38:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87451 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2004 20:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2004 20:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2004 20:50:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2004 20:50:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:50:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1563 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: we knew it had to happen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Forwarded to me by a friend of mine: >From the CGC Communicator: > > KNRC(AM), COLORADO, TURNS OFF IBOC > > KNRC, 1150 kHz, Littleton (Denver), Colorado, has turned >off their IBOC (HD Radio) encoding equipment in response to >listener complaints of interference to the signal of KJJD, >1170 kHz, Windsor, Colorado. Obviously, this is a second >adjacent channel situation. Part of the decision to silence >IBOC was based on the thinking that interference to a small >mom & pop station (KJJZ) was totally unwarranted since consumers >have so few IBOC radios in their hands at this time. The IBOC >encoding equipment is still in the racks at KNRC, however, so >the whole issue could be revisited at a later date. > > The larger issue is this: Had broadcast engineers known >years ago that IBOC would cause interference to other stations, >and that AM analog fidelity would be sacrificed to make IBOC >work (not to mention the long time delay required on the analog >channel), AM IBOC as we know it today would have never seen the >light of day or (as some now advocate) the dark of night. And they're not the only one- got this from our Salem engineer in Atlanta: >>1160 here in Atlanta just turned off their IBOC. I was getting listener complaints about the hash on top of our 1190 periodically. It was amazing just how low their analog audio level was compared to the rest of the market... at least, until they turned off the IBOC and cranked it up a bit. << There may still be plenty of life in them thar AM stereo generators. Scott Todd From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 05 19:38:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94509 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2004 23:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2004 23:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2004 23:58:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2004 23:57:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 23:57:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1037 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.8 Subject: "True Oldies" in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics WREF 850 AM Stereo in Ridgefield, CT has switched from the "Oldies Radio" format to Scott Shannon's new "True Oldies" format, which focuses on pre-Beatles rock'n'roll, much like the "Real Oldies" and "Classic Oldies" formats that are popping up on various AM stations. WREF is broadcasting "True Oldies" in AM Stereo, which is both a plus and minus compared to their previous '60s/'70s Oldies format, because while many songs from the 1958-1963 era feature fantastic stereo separation, many others were only recorded in mono... so while previously almost every song heard on WREF was in full Stereo, now maybe only half the playlist is true stereo. But as the playlist matures, it may begin to include more mid-'60s songs, which would bring more stereo music to the format. "True Oldies" is also heard on 540 AM in Southern California -- "XESURF" from Tijuana, or whatever call letters they're using these days. This station has flip-flopped between mono and AM Stereo for years, but currently I believe they are mono. 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Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 2004-03-31 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Apr 06 05:40:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79196 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2004 12:40:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2004 12:40:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.193) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2004 12:40:18 -0000 Received: from storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (unknown [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 675D9BEBA; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 05:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA18038; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 05:37:12 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR5886iS+Z99vTheiIdWiFUuOKLVwIUE7HRPym0KwKCTttdLCK/3GU10Ik= Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 07:37:12 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereo@smartgroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <24702-4072A478-3040@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: DJL4LOONS@aol.com's message of Tue, 6 Apr 2004 04:17:36 EDT Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.193 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [amstereo] Tea Leaves.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I though that KNX went to considerable trouble to put in a new transmitter replacing an aging G.E,> within the last couple of years and uses the retrofitted the AM Stereo equipment. Maybe they are afraid of the Ibocccle "I" like the CBS eye, Bach like the musician, El like the thing that runs in Chicago. I BachEL I Just checked My tea leaves and they say that IBOC is DEAD or Dying.... Bill S - Omaha Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Apr 06 10:45:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10611 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2004 12:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2004 12:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.194) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2004 12:23:47 -0000 Received: from storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (unknown [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 57F0410546; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 05:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA17513; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 05:21:53 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAqad1+Vxe4n71qQTnQdnANmjoRo0CFGAtkhEmGPn3+GWN8kaAT+kKmHpo Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 07:21:53 -0500 (CDT) To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <24703-4072A0E1-2271@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: djl4loons@aol.com's message of Tue, 6 Apr 2004 04:55:14 EDT Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.194 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ ABDX ] IBOC - those tea leaves are curling up and disintegrating! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah!! I have had "communications" with this person. .Mr. Andy Laird. Thanks for TURNING OFF the AM Stereo on KOMJ 590 AM Omaha ( The historic WOW Station 1923 ) Thanks a lot. Maybe KOMJ needs a newer transmitter, Maybe Marconi put up your tower in North Omaha, But your excuses are lame..... Wonder where Mr Laird is today... Or if he still loves Iboccccle. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Apr 06 13:00:21 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Apr 06 13:51:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64097 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2004 20:51:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2004 20:51:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2004 20:51:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2004 20:47:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:47:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1737 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.201.101 Subject: Re: we knew it had to happen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Hmmm... glad to hear this news. I guess AM mono listeners DO care about fidelity after all. It's NOT just us AM Stereo folks who are causing an unwanted ruckus. > > > > KNRC(AM), COLORADO, TURNS OFF IBOC > > > > KNRC, 1150 kHz, Littleton (Denver), Colorado, has turned > >off their IBOC (HD Radio) encoding equipment in response to > >listener complaints of interference to the signal of KJJD, > >1170 kHz, Windsor, Colorado. Obviously, this is a second > >adjacent channel situation. Part of the decision to silence > >IBOC was based on the thinking that interference to a small > >mom & pop station (KJJZ) was totally unwarranted since consumers > >have so few IBOC radios in their hands at this time. The IBOC > >encoding equipment is still in the racks at KNRC, however, so > >the whole issue could be revisited at a later date. > > > > The larger issue is this: Had broadcast engineers known > >years ago that IBOC would cause interference to other stations, > >and that AM analog fidelity would be sacrificed to make IBOC > >work (not to mention the long time delay required on the analog > >channel), AM IBOC as we know it today would have never seen the > >light of day or (as some now advocate) the dark of night. > > And they're not the only one- got this from our Salem engineer in > Atlanta: > > >>1160 here in Atlanta just turned off their IBOC. I was getting > listener > complaints about the hash on top of our 1190 periodically. It was > amazing > just how low their analog audio level was compared to the rest of the > market... at least, until they turned off the IBOC and cranked it up > a bit. > << > > There may still be plenty of life in them thar AM stereo generators. > > Scott Todd From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Apr 06 16:48:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61720 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2004 23:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2004 23:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.193) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2004 23:47:45 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (unknown [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 3BC40BE81; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA16319; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:47:35 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAlVhXKRjTKg27RsY3eI+phY8v79UCFQDHkYI5zZ0HzVZkSAvzcaSfo6IRFw== Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:47:35 -0500 (CDT) To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <28983-40734197-1933@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: djl4loons@aol.com's message of Tue, 6 Apr 2004 04:07:58 EDT Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.193 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ ABDX ] KRVN"s sisters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, Chuck R is a great guy. Too bad we can NOT get KTIC 840 in stereo, they are a day timer which greatly limits the budget. Chuck maintains that terrestrial broadcasting is dying a s l o w death. The stations He works for are KTIC // KWPN-Fm West Point, NE and KVSS Catholic Radio 88.9 Omaha. He also worked at KEFM 96.1. KVSS-fm is a very low budget operation, the Catholic Church seems strapped for cash to keep KVSS going at times. FM Mono due to the low power and coverage Maybe 30 miles max. Most of the programming comes from EWTN (WEWN-SW) in mono feed. So broadcasting in Stereo seems not to be an concern. They ( KVSS) recently increased power and share the KCRO 660 AM tower. ( the old 94.1 WOW-FM previously used this location as an FM antenna site ) I get a long well with Chuck and He is one of my XM Dealers.... Chuck was talking recently about (gaasp) Flipping on an exciter to see if it still works....> On KVSS-FM. Ryan, my co-worker thought we were discussing an AM Stereo exciter, I wish..... Ryan knows what a big AM Stereo fan I am.... Yes, WE do discuss that "new" fad.... F.M. Once in a while.... Bill S - Omaha Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Tue Apr 06 16:50:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48242 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2004 23:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2004 23:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2004 23:50:17 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i36NoEKb027476 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:50:16 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:50:14 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2CC and ABC Canberra in AMS ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Dave wrote: > Yes a talk station in stereo. To quote someone on the aus radio > newsgroup '2CA is still stereo & sounds fantastic (FM like quality)' > > Can you get this at night time Ian ? Just barely - you certainly couldn't listen to it but you can hear the stereo as it fades in and out. Canberra is 300 miles away. It would be like you in Brighton listening to a 5K station out of Antwerp. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 06 17:42:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11883 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2004 18:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2004 18:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2004 18:23:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20040406182307.41813.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:23:07 PDT Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:23:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.151 From: "John P." Subject: CFCO at Sunset X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Your best bet is to shoot for CFCO at your local sunset, as of April 1st CFCO got a whole load of extra minutes this month before they switch to night pattern and power, so try them right at you sunset early in the month and you might get lucky! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Wed Apr 07 00:51:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36662 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2004 07:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2004 07:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14915.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.228) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2004 07:51:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20040407075110.42886.qmail@web14915.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.93.1] by web14915.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 00:51:10 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 00:51:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.225.228 From: amstereoexp Subject: Fwd: Comment from The Official AM STEREO Web Site Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp --- SCOTT HIGBEE wrote: > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:32:29 -0700 (PDT) > From: SCOTT HIGBEE > Subject: Comment from The Official AM STEREO Web SiteO Web Site > To: amstereoexp@yahoo.com > > I just wanted to let you know of a station that was missed in your > channel list. WYGR AM STEREO 1530 in Grand Rapids, Mi is a daytime only > station which shares freq with WSAI in Cincinnati. WYGR is a latin mix > station > > Scott Higbee > Marne, Mi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Apr 07 09:57:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55278 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2004 16:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2004 16:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2004 16:28:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:28:40 -0700 Received: from 216.78.53.71 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:28:39 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:28:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2004 16:28:40.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[628AD980:01C41CBD] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.16 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [216.78.53.71] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Transmitter kits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Mr. Cuff, Are any of these kits still available? Thanks, MTGC (Michael) >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: {AMSF} Transmitter kits >Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:27:48 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com >Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.107]) by >mc3-f40.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 16 Jan 2004 >00:31:11 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan >2004 08:30:33 -0000 >Received: (qmail 6227 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 08:30:31 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >16 Jan 2004 08:30:31 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by >mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 08:30:31 -0000 >Received: from pavilion (unverified [157.15.38.1]) by mail.corp.in4web.com >(Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.282) with SMTP id for >; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:36:03 -0500 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEc3DziDqwev4sCghMcme9f >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-4085512-15409-1074241832-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: <006301c3dc0a$a09c7e20$0101a8c0@pavilion> >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-15409-1074241832-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2004 08:31:11.0353 (UTC) >FILETIME=[18B14E90:01C3DC0B] > >Hi All >I have completed a long standing project of making the Alf lite available >in >kit form- You build it yourself. >Now all I need are a few people that want to make one. I am making 10 >available in kit form for now, at a set price of $75.00 each. >They should not pose any build problems for anyone able to look at pictures >and solder. I tried to make these as easy as possible to make. >These will come with a standard crystal- at this price, I cannot include a >custom oscillator, but you can add one anytime. >These will also include the ability to use a standard AC adapter- most >anything will work, as long as it has an unloaded voltage of 12 to 18 >volts. >Anyone interested, let me know- >Chris > _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Wed Apr 07 13:41:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51183 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2004 16:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2004 16:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2004 16:16:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2004 16:15:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:15:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 700 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.165.222 Subject: Re: "True Oldies" in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > WREF 850 AM Stereo in Ridgefield, CT has switched from the "Oldies > Radio" format to Scott Shannon's new "True Oldies" format, which > focuses on pre-Beatles rock'n'roll, much like the "Real Oldies" and > "Classic Oldies" formats that are popping up on various AM stations. It is not. It is a sattelite service basically trying to have a wide playlist of everything from Doo-Wop to the 70's just before disco. That is not "Real Oldies". WREF sounds terrible. Scott Shannon is horrible on the liners, no jocks on the station and the audio processing is dull as hell (you'd think they were playing classical). From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Apr 07 15:18:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30934 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2004 22:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2004 22:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2004 22:04:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2004 22:02:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:02:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 691 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.8.42 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2CC and ABC Canberra in AMS ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Dave wrote: > > > Yes a talk station in stereo. To quote someone on the aus radio > > newsgroup '2CA is still stereo & sounds fantastic (FM like quality)' > > > > Can you get this at night time Ian ? > > > Just barely - you certainly couldn't listen to it but you can hear the > stereo as it fades in and out. > > Canberra is 300 miles away. It would be like you in Brighton listening to > a 5K station out of Antwerp. I have strong wideband recs from the Pirate station in Cork Ireland, this was running 2.5kw at the time distance about 350 miles. The Terk loop helps of course... From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Apr 07 19:34:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17546 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2004 20:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2004 20:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2004 20:26:02 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [66.6.183.73]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:25:05 -0400 Message-ID: <002801c41cde$31415860$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:23:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitter kits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yup- they are. Funny you should mention that- I just cleared my workbench to start assembling 10 more. I canned the idea about making kits to "build your own" as only 1 person responded, and the cost of producing an instruction book just wasn't worth it- So they are available pre-made only. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 12:28 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Transmitter kits Mr. Cuff, Are any of these kits still available? Thanks, MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Apr 07 23:10:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65963 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2004 03:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2004 03:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2004 03:21:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20040408032154.59990.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.30.57] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:21:54 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:21:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1081335561.217.25307.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.38 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have tried 1206 from NZ but its a very difficult frequency,we have a semi local on this and 4XO in Dunedin on 1206 and theres been another licence issued for Dannevirk in the Hawkes Bay for 1206.At night its just a jumble with Auzzies battling them out to. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: There are 9 messages in this issue. Yes a talk station in stereo. To quote someone on the aus radio newsgroup '2CA is still stereo & sounds fantastic (FM like quality)' Can you get this at night time Ian ? Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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The less processing the better! Keep it sounding natural. John At 04:15 PM 4/7/2004 +0000, you wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." >wrote: >> WREF 850 AM Stereo in Ridgefield, CT has switched from the "Oldies >> Radio" format to Scott Shannon's new "True Oldies" format, which >> focuses on pre-Beatles rock'n'roll, much like the "Real Oldies" >and >> "Classic Oldies" formats that are popping up on various AM >stations. > >It is not. It is a sattelite service basically trying to have a >wide playlist of everything from Doo-Wop to the 70's just before >disco. That is not "Real Oldies". > >WREF sounds terrible. Scott Shannon is horrible on the liners, no >jocks on the station and the audio processing is dull as hell (you'd >think they were playing classical). > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Apr 08 16:39:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59931 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2004 23:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2004 23:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.193) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2004 23:39:03 -0000 Received: from storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (unknown [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id D3EB2BFBC; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA10676; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:39:01 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQPM7e+/hdBAbCveUHOcX1AnkTciAIVAIjnKDEnt5Q+YNeB3BAsuaFPB0Lm Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:39:01 -0500 To: amstereo@smartgroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <29244-4075E295-825@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Paul Crane" 's message of Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:26:47 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.193 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [amstereo] 2 meter antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have used a 2 meter Ham radio magnetic mount antenna, for Mobile AM/ FM dxing also And have had good results... Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Apr 08 19:57:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54031 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2004 23:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2004 23:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2004 23:28:54 -0000 Received: from storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (unknown [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 9FDD1106E7; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA10368; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:28:43 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRBN3oReWfB/f8H4sdxBaPmdgGfBAIUY0uelsiYqihqQHgZ7EiKXzgkKM4= Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:28:42 -0500 To: amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com, dave@nebraskaradio.com, JFP@innovativecontrolscorp.com, garyomaha@cox.net, drtillmancg10@webtv.net, florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Message-ID: <29238-4075E02A-2886@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: Re: [ ABDX ] What Did YOU do for AM Stereo, Today?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See the following: I am convinced that IF MORE persons heard a quality AM Stereo Broadcast or Stereo aircheck tape, AM stereo would prospering.... I did my part today KFAB AM/ST aircheck Demo Tape ( Appox 1987 ~ 1990 ) Recorded with my Sony SRF-A100 AM Stereo Receiver Into a Technics Tape Deck ---> recorded on old style High Bias cassette tape. Almost CD quality stereo.. TO FOLLOW Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Apr 08 20:12:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90436 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2004 03:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2004 03:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2004 03:12:41 -0000 Received: from storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (unknown [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 921FABEA1; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id UAA18616; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:12:41 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAiGs4UdqIi7iL170O8bLU6AF4BwsCFCcCFZLoLe0gfMmmCggPtgwjnlWA Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 22:12:41 -0500 To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoguy@hotmail.com, ccuff@in4web.com, drtillmancg10@webtv.net, florida_amstereo@hotmail.com, johnnyelectron@buckeye-express.com, W0WRT@webtv.net, michaelj@vcn.com, JFP@innovativecontrolscorp.com, SAT@NWC.EDU, stodd@kkms.com, stodd@sherbtel.net, 10kc@fmtc.com Message-ID: <29240-407614A9-2130@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: oldphones 's message of Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:16:09 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ ABDX ] Chrysler Repair HELP!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Any one on the various Dxing and AM Stereo boards with some experience on repairing older Chrysler Radios??? Chris Cuff, Scott Todd, Donn, John P., Michael Richard..... I was going to attempt to repair my Chrysler 4469370 AM/ST / Fm/st MPX radio (non-cassette) as the display suddenly went blank!! Radio itself still works , plenty of sound on AM or FM, but can't tell what station, or if Stereo or Not Stereo.... My similar radio in the former 1989 Plymouth Reliant had similar display problems, this was before I started working at Mid-State Electronics ( and radio repair) I wrote up incoming radios fore repair to give to the techs WHEN we still HAD a service department. So other than exchanging ideas with the techs, I never really did any actual repair work... Well I gave the radio to EX- employee David to look at, He wasn't able to fix the display, I was hoping for bad solder joints or the like.... Hope it;s not a driver chip, out... David also gave me a Cassette version of the same radio a 5269414 I think this model might of had AM Stereo, also the vintage is about right. I put the cassette radio 5269414 on the power supply ( at home), had a little trouble at first , then got it to work. Worked fine for about 10~15 minutes. Tunes AM & FM 540 up to 1610 as most pre-1993 Chrysler's will. Tape cassette sounds, works good. Tried several known AM/ST stations, couldn't lock in on WBAP, WLS ( bad band conditions as of late!!) Then, Fired up My F.M. signal generator with a test tape, put it on 103.3 fine, re-tune it to 103.1 noise, static, the POOF NOTHING, NO Sound DEAD!!! Round two, Radio still dead, do some checking with the volt meter, telephone butt set, and power supply. I conclude a major malfunction... the voltage drops like a rock when I connect the ground to the radio, Acts like a DEAD SHORT!!! So much for that radio!!! I compared the construction of the radios, they look very similar, I suspect that only the head is different, The old 4469370 has plenty of room for the cassette mechanism. The heads use a 14, 16 pin header to connect to the main board, I WONDER If by switching the heads I could get a working, functional radio (with display) again. Looks like a major **ich to put back together but worth the effort. ANY radio tech gurus that can advise if this is possible??? ALL Help needed!!!!!!!!! Bill Snyder - Omaha P.S.> the 4469370 is shown on my old Phones & Radios web site. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Apr 08 20:49:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52966 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2004 23:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2004 23:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2004 23:34:58 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i38NYvLw094070 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:34:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001801c41dc2$1b174fb0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040407170741.025a4008@pop.GameBox.net> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:34:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "True Oldies" in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Great. The less processing the better! Keep it sounding natural. > John Sorry John but I must (respectfully) disagree. The absence of processing is fine and dandy if your listeners at sitting at home, in an acoustically designed room listening to the audio on a decent piece of equipment, but the fact if that most listening is done in the car. If you don't have some kind of processing smoothing out the differences in dynamics, the listener would be fighting the volume control on his radio constantly. When loud passages come on they will blast away and when soft passages come on they would get lost in road/ambient noise. In addition the radio stations being discussed are AM stations and the relative power radiated off the antenna is directly related to the volume of the signal being modulated on the carrier. If AM stations don't have pretty-hefty processing/compression, their coverage will suffer significantly. I am not saying that we should compress the audio to the point that the needles on the mod-monitor would barely move (although I, personally would love that). Bob Orban constantly warns of 'listener fatigue' (for overly compressed audio) in the documentation included with his Optimod processors, but I strongly believe (and it is further documented) that other side of the coin can be even worse. Classical stations can get away with very little dynamic processing because the average listener doesn't listen to Radio Mozart in his/her car, but most other music formats apply substantial processing. The 'normal' settings of compression usually go from heavy (CHR) to weak (Classical) and Oldies stations are usually on the same end as CHR's by necessity. I have airchecks of myself working at a Top 40 station in 1973 using a shotgun jingle out of a stopset into Roberta Flack's "The First Time Ever" and the needles on the VU meter barely move. The level of processing/compression today varies by programmers/engineering but most agree that if you do something to smooth out the audio, people will tune you out faster than if you have the IF squished beyond recognition (even to the point of distortion). -Jim- From baansy@yahoo.com Thu Apr 08 22:53:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2289 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2004 05:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2004 05:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41708.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.125) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2004 05:53:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20040409055352.53877.qmail@web41708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.33] by web41708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:53:52 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 22:53:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.125 From: ANDREW BAANS Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2CC and ABC Canberra in AMS ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave wrote:--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Dave wrote: > > > Yes a talk station in stereo. To quote someone on the aus radio > > newsgroup '2CA is still stereo & sounds fantastic (FM like quality)' > > > > Can you get this at night time Ian ? > > > Just barely - you certainly couldn't listen to it but you can hear the > stereo as it fades in and out. > > Canberra is 300 miles away. It would be like you in Brighton listening to > a 5K station out of Antwerp. I have strong wideband recs from the Pirate station in Cork Ireland, this was running 2.5kw at the time distance about 350 miles. The Terk loop helps of course... Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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HAVE A HAPPY AND BLESSED EASTER From Bill at Oldphones Nebraska Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage ---------- http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aussiejon80@hotmail.com Mon Apr 12 08:21:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aussiejon80@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4261 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2004 15:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2004 15:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2004 15:21:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2004 15:19:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:19:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 662 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "John" X-Originating-IP: 203.214.144.3 Subject: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109114695 X-Yahoo-Profile: aussiejon80 Hi all I'm fairly new member to group. I have chance of purchasing the Sony ST-JX220A AMS/FM Stereo tuner here in Australia. Up till now I've been using a Teac T-30 tuner . Could anyone idvise me whether the Sony would be a big improvement over the Teac?? . Here in Australia AMS equipment of any kind is very scarce so I've not had chance to own anything other than the Teac tuner. I live on the East Coast 600klms north of Sydney and being semi rural there are no local AMS stations. All my listening on AM or AMS is at night, so it would be handy to have a unit with better performance . Regards John from Oz. From castellano105@yahoo.com Mon Apr 12 14:13:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46569 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2004 21:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2004 21:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2004 21:13:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2004 21:13:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:13:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 69.68.155.196 Subject: FCC And IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 On April 15 The FCC will hold a Open Meeting to discuss IBOC. In part to concider a Further NPRM Concerning rule changes for IBOC Technology. You can find future detail at Internet Radio Magazine. From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Apr 13 03:46:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96866 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2004 10:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2004 10:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2004 10:46:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 03:46:46 -0700 Received: from 216.78.54.208 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:46:46 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:46:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2004 10:46:46.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DE5C3B0:01C42144] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.84 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [216.78.54.208] Subject: Jon Kenneke Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Can anyone on this list give me Mr. Kenneke's web site address? I need it for access to a VFO for Mr. Cuff's transmitter. Thanks, MTGC (Michael) _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Apr 13 05:42:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16955 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2004 12:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2004 12:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2004 12:42:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2004 12:41:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:41:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 7663 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Phil R" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 Subject: AM superiority to FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking In some respects, AM can be superior to FM. Coverage is a big=20 factor, especially if an AM station has lots of power and a spot low=20 on the dial. Consider what happened to CJFX when they traded 25,000=20 watts of AM Stereo on 580 Khz for 75kw of FM Stereo on 98.9 Mhz: Broadcasting Decision CRTC 2004-138=20 Ottawa, 8 April 2004=20 Atlantic Broadcasters Limited Antigonish and Inverness, Nova Scotia=20 Application 2003-0991-5 Broadcasting Public Notice CRTC 2003-66 17 December 2003=20 CJFX-FM Antigonish =96 New transmitter in Inverness=20 In this decision, the Commission approves in part the application=20 by Atlantic Broadcasters Limited for authority to operate a=20 transmitter of CJFX-FM Antigonish at Inverness. The licensee must=20 submit for approval an application proposing the use of another=20 suitable frequency other than 97.5 MHz (channel 248B).=20 The application=20 1. The Commission received an application by Atlantic Broadcasters=20 Limited (Atlantic) requesting an amendment to the broadcasting=20 licence for the radio programming undertaking CJFX-FM Antigonish, in=20 order to operate a transmitter in Inverness. The proposed=20 transmitter would operate at 97.5 MHz (channel 248B) with an average=20 effective radiated power of 2,330 watts.=20=20 2. In CJFX Antigonish =96 Conversion to FM band, Broadcasting=20 Decision CRTC 2003-7, 8 January 2003, the Commission approved the=20 conversion to the FM band of Atlantic's AM station, which had=20 operated on 580 kHz since 1943. The new station, known as CJFX-FM,=20 operates at 98.9 MHz (channel 255C1). Atlantic stated that, within=20 days of shutting down its AM transmitter, it was made aware of a=20 coverage deficiency in northern Cape Breton, where there is no other=20 commercial service available. Atlantic stated that the proposed=20 transmitter would "reinstate our radio service to northern Inverness=20 County on Cape Breton Island", an area previously served by CJFX.=20=20 Intervention=20 3. The Commission received an intervention opposing Atlantic's=20 proposal from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC).=20 4. The CBC stated that Atlantic's proposed use of 97.5 MHz (channel=20 248B) would be in conflict with the FM channel proposed by the CBC=20 in its Long Range Radio Plan (LRRP) to implement its Radio Two=20 service in Inverness. The CBC indicated that the parameters proposed=20 by Atlantic would be technically mutually exclusive with the CBC's=20 plans for Inverness. Further, the CBC stated that, if it had been=20 consulted, it would have identified technical alternatives that=20 could have been considered by the applicant that would not have had=20 an impact on the integrity of the LRRP.=20=20 5. In reply, the applicant acknowledged the CBC's concerns, and=20 stated that it had conducted a study of alternative frequencies that=20 could be used to rebroadcast the programming of CJFX-FM in the=20 Inverness area. It concluded that the best alternative for its use=20 would be 102.5 MHz (channel 273B), and that it would be prepared to=20 use that frequency.=20 The Commission's analysis and determination=20 6. The Commission recognizes that with the conversion of CJFX from=20 the AM to the FM band, Atlantic has lost coverage to Inverness=20 County in Cape Breton, and therefore approves in part the=20 application by Atlantic Broadcasters Limited to add a transmitter of=20 CJFX-FM at Inverness. However, the technical parameters proposed in=20 the application are clearly in conflict with the CBC's LRRP,=20 specifically, call sign LRRP-426 in Inverness. Accordingly, the=20 proposed use of 97.5 MHz (channel 248B) by Atlantic is denied. In=20 making its determination, the Commission noted the applicant's=20 statement that Atlantic would be prepared to use an alternative=20 frequency.=20=20 7. In Introductory statement to Decisions CRTC 2001-312 to 2001- 320: Radio applications considered at the 20 November 2000 public=20 hearing in Burnaby, B.C., Public Notice CRTC 2001-63, 9 June 2001,=20 the Commission stated:=20=20 As a general observation, the Commission considers that, by=20 keeping its Long Range Radio Plan up to date at all times, the CBC=20 would minimize potential for conflicts between private applicants=20 and the Corporation in the selection of frequencies. The Commission=20 therefore expects the CBC to undertake reviews and provide updates=20 of its Long Range Radio Plan on a semi-annual basis starting 31=20 August 2001. =20 8. In expecting the CBC to provide regular updates of its LRRP, the=20 Commission's intention was to ensure that all broadcasters would=20 have access to current information, and thereby avoid conflicts with=20 respect to the use of specific channels between the CBC and other=20 applicants.=20=20 9. The Commission notes that the LRRP updated in October 2003=20 clearly indicates the CBC's intention to use channel 248B for the=20 extension of its Radio Two service to Inverness, Nova Scotia. The=20 Commission strongly encourages all licensed and prospective=20 broadcasters to familiarize themselves with the contents of the LRRP=20 before filing applications in order to avoid conflict with that=20 plan.=20=20 10. The Commission notes that, as noted above, subsequent to the=20 intervention by the CBC, Atlantic made a commitment to use another=20 FM channel instead of 248B. Accordingly, the Commission would be=20 prepared to deal expeditiously with an application by Atlantic to=20 amend the technical parameters contained in the original=20 application.=20=20 Issuance of the licence=20 11. The Commission will only issue the licence, and it will only be=20 effective at such time as:=20=20 The applicant submits, within three months of the date of this=20 decision, an amendment to its application proposing the use of an FM=20 frequency and technical parameters that are acceptable to both the=20 Commission and the Department of Industry; and=20 =20 Pursuant to section 22(1) of the Broadcasting Act, the Department=20 of Industry notifies the Commission that its technical requirements=20 have been met, and that a broadcasting certificate will be issued.=20 =20 Secretary General=20 This decision is to be appended to the licence. It is available in=20 alternative format upon request, and may also be examined at the=20 following Internet site: http://www.crtc.gc.ca=20=20=20 Date Modified: 2004-04-08 =20 =20=20=20 Keep in mind as well that CJFX's AM Stereo signal used to go all the=20 way to Sydney Cape Breton. Now the FM does not make it reliably as=20 far as Baddeck Cape Breton. This repeater will do nothing to=20 address this coverage deficiency. Also, there is some coverage loss=20 on Nova Scotia's Eastern Shore, although that area is well served=20 with stations. The moral of the story: before flipping from AM to FM, think before=20 you leap. Basic principles of FM broadcast engineering ought to=20 reveal this problem - a Class C1 station cannot expect more than a=20 reliable 50 mile [80 km] coverage radius and no amount of wishful=20 thinking can change this. In addition, the high elevation in the=20 Cape Mabou area ought to have made it clear that there would be a=20 severe shadowing problem in Inverness. When I reviewed the contour=20 maps, I was quite surprised that this easy to predict deficiency did=20 not show up. Reason - there was no "Realistic" contour. Given the=20 terrain, there should have been one. In the meanwhile, the people=20 of Inverness have lost the radio service they enjoyed for 60 years -=20 fortunately the stations in Charlottetown PEI have attempted to pick=20 up the slack. All this would have never happened if CJFX had simply=20 stayed with their AM Stereo flamethrower signal. Hopefully, this is=20 a lesson learned, and Canadian broadcasters will now be a little=20 more cautious before flipping from AM to FM. Phil R. PEI Canada From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 13 07:45:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27446 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2004 14:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2004 14:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12823.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2004 14:45:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20040413144400.52009.qmail@web12823.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12823.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:44:00 BST Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:44:00 +0100 (BST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.174.204 From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20T.?=" Subject: Fwd: Urgent Buy Radios AM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- Gerardo Paez wrote: > From: "Gerardo Paez" > To: kevtronics@yahoo.com > Subject: Urgent Buy Radios AM STEREO > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:41:31 -0500 > --------------------------------- Bogotá, Abril 13 de 2.004 Hello ..... 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Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 13 08:05:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68916 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2004 15:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2004 15:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2004 15:05:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2004 15:04:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:04:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1042 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > Hi all I'm fairly new member to group. I have chance of purchasing > the Sony ST-JX220A AMS/FM Stereo tuner here in Australia. Up till > now I've been using a Teac T-30 tuner . Could anyone idvise me > whether the Sony would be a big improvement over the Teac?? That Sony is a very good tuner, but really needs a tuned loop antenna like a Terk AM Advantage or Select-A-Tenna to perform at its best. With the original Sony "Wave Catcher" antenna, the sensitivity isn't that great and it seems to suffer from front-end overload. But with my Terk, it really perks up and almost receives as well as my MCS-3050. Another weakness is that the Sony's wide bandwidth mode is often _too_ wide for today's AM band conditions. In the Files / Radios section of this group, you can find a file which explains some very easy modifications you can make to help improve the ST-JX220A's performance by adding an automatically or manually variable bandwidth feature. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Apr 13 13:57:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12498 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2004 20:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2004 20:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2004 20:57:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20040413205744.25774.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:57:44 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:57:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1081850654.2077.27699.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.39 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1169 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi John The ST-JX220A is a very good tuner.It goes only to 1602kHz but the band width is excellent even on ordinary monoaural AM and sounds like FM and has a wide switch.It is an asthetically nice looking tuner too with black LCD on a green background.Its sound on wideband is about the same as a carver tx11a tuner.It can overload if you have lots of AM locals with a big aerial but it does get good reception otherwise.They have black and silver models. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Sony ST-JX220A Tuner Message: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:19:57 -0000 From: "John" Subject: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner Hi all I'm fairly new member to group. I have chance of purchasing the Sony ST-JX220A AMS/FM Stereo tuner here in Australia. Up till now I've been using a Teac T-30 tuner . Could anyone idvise me whether the Sony would be a big improvement over the Teac?? . Here in Australia AMS equipment of any kind is very scarce so I've not had chance to own anything other than the Teac tuner. I live on the East Coast 600klms north of Sydney and being semi rural there are no local AMS stations. All my listening on AM or AMS is at night, so it would be handy to have a unit with better performance . Regards John from Oz. Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 13 17:00:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42634 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2004 00:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2004 00:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2004 00:00:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2004 23:59:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:59:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1023 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.134 Subject: Two new AM Stereo stations... maybe X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the Radio-Tech list... anybody know of a 2-station AM simulcast which meets the parameters that Mr. McCarthy explains below? Because if he gets his way, then at least one of these stations will be going AM Stereo, and possibly both.... Subject: 9100's desired From: Mike McCarthy Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:17:14 -0500 Hey guys and gals, I could use a couple Optimod 9100's. One mono, the other stereo, or two stereo. I really would prefer ones which have not been through the modification mill and are complete...including Card 10 in the stereo box(es). I need them because I have a station which is simulcasting two stations in adjacent markets with overlap. The lead station will be going stereo with a music format on an omni stick. The simulcast is a DA2...so stereo is not as desirable and really low on the priority list there. But if I'm buying one, might as well get one which could do it.... Cost differential is not that great these days.... Contact me privately if you have one. MM From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 13 17:07:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20955 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2004 00:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2004 00:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2004 00:07:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2004 00:07:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:07:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040413205744.25774.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 584 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.134 Subject: Re: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > reception otherwise.They have black and silver models. As far as I have been able to determine, the 220/240V model with standard 9 kHz channel spacing has the silver cabinet, and the 110/120V model with standard 10 kHz channel spacing has the grayish- brown cabinet. Either model can be switched between 9 and 10 kHz channel spacing at will (by holding the "TUNING +" button when turning it on), but the tuner's carrier-whistle notch filter is tuned for 9 or 10 kHz at the factory and does not change even if you manually switch it to the non-default channel spacing mode. From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Apr 13 17:22:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31023 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2004 00:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2004 00:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2004 00:22:03 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3E0M12g012017 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:22:01 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3E0LbOX009500 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:21:38 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3E0Lbbj009495 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:21:37 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:21:37 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDBA0@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:21:35 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day Kevin, Unfortunately we have both silver and black faced models in Oz that are 240v only. The silver model actually appears to be a black model with a spraypaint job - I believe they may have been made for the "Stereo AM" project in Australia back in the 80's. I have one of each myself and they have 9khz filters. Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2004 10:07 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner > reception otherwise.They have black and silver models. As far as I have been able to determine, the 220/240V model with standard 9 kHz channel spacing has the silver cabinet, and the 110/120V model with standard 10 kHz channel spacing has the grayish- brown cabinet. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 13 20:02:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9566 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2004 03:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2004 03:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2004 03:02:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2004 03:02:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:02:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDBA0@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1133 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.134 Subject: Re: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The silver model actually appears to be a black model with a > spraypaint job - I believe they may have been made for the > "Stereo AM" project in Australia back in the 80's. I have one of > each myself and they have 9khz filters. Speaking of which... you know the special versions of the Sony SRF-A100 and SRF-A1 radios, sold as the SRF-A200 and SRF-A10 in Australia, respectively? Well, since Australia made the C-Quam system their standard for AM Stereo right from the start (in 1985), Sony removed the multi-system mode switch from these radios. Just like the newer Sonys, they are locked into C-Quam-compatible mode. I haven't actually seen the side of an SRF-A200 to be sure there is no mode switch, but I presume there isn't because on the 'A200, in place of the text which explains the mode switch settings on the 'A100 (A for C-Quam/Harris/Magnavox, B for Kahn), is a label which warns you not to leave the batteries in the radio if you use external DC power for a long time. Otherwise, it looks the same as the 'A100, except that the contrasting color used for the text labels is blue, instead of red. From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Apr 13 20:19:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78379 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2004 03:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2004 03:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2004 03:19:48 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3E3J02e029199 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:19:00 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3E3IZnl020283 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:18:35 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3E3IZBc020278 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:18:35 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:18:34 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDBA2@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:18:33 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Wow that is amazing that they actually bothered to remove the switch. I guess as they needed to change the filter to 9khz they took the opportunity to modify the casing, etc as well. These Sony radio's were truly some of the last quality AM radios they have made. It's a shame that even though so many Oz AM stations went stereo there just wasn't enough manufacturer support apart from Sony and an Australian manufacturer called Voxon. From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Apr 13 23:33:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58723 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2004 06:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2004 06:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2004 06:33:09 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (ppp-67-126-222-129.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.126.222.129]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id i3E6X1s37922 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:33:01 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c421e9$bad2f2e0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:28:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.212.212.133 From: "jimsmith" Subject: ksurf am 540 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Can any one comferm that KSURF AM 540 is now back with AM STEREO ??? To week to know for sure i am neer Sacramento Ca and the only one showing is my TM 152 . Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 01:53:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19228 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2004 08:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2004 08:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2004 08:53:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2004 08:53:48 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70726 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2004 08:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2004 08:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2004 08:13:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2004 08:12:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:12:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDBA2@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 599 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.12 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Apr 2004 08:53:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Wow that is amazing that they actually bothered to remove the switch. I > guess as they needed to change the filter to 9khz they took the opportunity > to modify the casing, etc as well. > > These Sony radio's were truly some of the last quality AM radios they have > made. > > It's a shame that even though so many Oz AM stations went stereo there just > wasn't enough manufacturer support apart from Sony and an Australian > manufacturer called Voxon. Don't forget the Dick Smith kits. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Apr 14 10:22:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15978 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2004 17:22:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2004 17:22:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2004 17:22:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2004 17:20:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:20:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 230 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.3.153 Subject: Re: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan > Another weakness is that the Sony's wide bandwidth mode is often > _too_ wide for today's AM band conditions. This is not an issue though is it in Australia where it was desigtned to accomadate Oz's allowed wide bandwidth ? From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 14:04:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10085 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2004 21:04:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2004 21:04:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2004 21:04:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20040414210457.37676.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:04:57 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:04:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1081940073.521.81297.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.43 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for explaining how to get it on to 10kHz stepping,I never bothered with mine as we are 9kHz in NZ but 10kHz is good if trying to dx the US. I have a 110v canadian black one which goes fine and will soon get a 240v silver one and see what the difference is. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: There are 12 messages in this issue. Either model can be switched between 9 and 10 kHz channel spacing at will (by holding the "TUNING +" button when turning it on), but the tuner's carrier-whistle notch filter is tuned for 9 or 10 kHz at the factory and does not change even if you manually switch it to the non-default channel spacing mode. Message: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:21:35 +1000 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: Re: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner G'day Kevin, Unfortunately we have both silver and black faced models in Oz that are 240v only. The silver model actually appears to be a black model with a spraypaint job - I believe they may have been made for the "Stereo AM" project in Australia back in the 80's. I have one of each myself and they have 9khz filters. === message truncated === --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From BKGardner99@comcast.net Wed Apr 14 17:41:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: BKGardner99@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2294 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2004 00:41:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2004 00:41:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2004 00:41:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2004 00:41:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:41:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 515 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "got2bfunky99" X-Originating-IP: 68.82.3.210 Subject: FCC Seeks Input on AM Nighttime Digital X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168033021 X-Yahoo-Profile: got2bfunky99 The April 14th editions of RadioWorld Online (http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=5072) and Radio Magazine online (http://beradio.com/ar/radio_currents_61/index.htm#am) are both reporting an opportunity for the public to comment on nighttime IBOC operation on AM. For all of you who who have been very vocal about the effect of the digital sidebands on the frequencies above and below the assigned frequencies, here is your opportunity to direct your opposition to the folks that need to hear it. From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Apr 14 18:41:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41746 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2004 01:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2004 01:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2004 01:41:28 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3F1cRM2002770 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:38:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <407DE663.4070701@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:33:23 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Seeks Input on AM Nighttime Digital X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Figures they pick a date when Everyone is at NAB...LOL got2bfunky99 wrote: >The April 14th editions of RadioWorld Online >(http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=5072) and Radio >Magazine online >(http://beradio.com/ar/radio_currents_61/index.htm#am) are both >reporting an opportunity for the public to comment on nighttime IBOC >operation on AM. For all of you who who have been very vocal about >the effect of the digital sidebands on the frequencies above and >below the assigned frequencies, here is your opportunity to direct >your opposition to the folks that need to hear it. > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Apr 15 04:37:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57577 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2004 11:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2004 11:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2004 11:37:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20040415113500.66630.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 04:35:00 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 04:35:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1082023779.256.44663.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.46 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Really good reception of 3EE 693 Melbourne tonight into New Zealand apart from splatter by local Radio Pacific on 702 there appears no sign of Radio Sport on 693 from Dunedin:-) Using a SRF A100 Michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From link_s86@yahoo.com Thu Apr 15 07:00:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: link_s86@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59939 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2004 14:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2004 14:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2004 14:00:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2004 14:00:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:00:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 917 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "link_s86" X-Originating-IP: 152.67.121.153 Subject: re: Two new AM Stereo stations... maybe X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182920769 X-Yahoo-Profile: link_s86 I suspect this could be Starboard leased and owned stations in Chicago. They are renting AM 820 which is a nice Omni daytimer with good sign on and sign off times. The possible DA-2 station was purchased outright by Starboard recently and is 930 Sandwich IL. Another station they own is 1270 in Gary In. A unique direction station that has the same pattern day and night and was recently rebuilt and put on the air after being silent for almost 10 years. I don't understand how the former owners were able to keep the license after not be on the air for so long. I have no inside knowledge of this. This is all pure speculation on my part. Starboard is a Catholic broadcasting network. I do not know anyone that works there, no do I know anyone at the engineering firm. I think starboard would like to have competitive sounding stations in the market. The 9100's seem to be the way to do that. From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Apr 15 18:12:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 997 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2004 01:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2004 01:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2004 01:12:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:12:09 -0700 Received: from 172.152.103.126 by bay99-dav4.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:12:08 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: Cc: , Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:12:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2004 01:12:09.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7108870:01C4234F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.108 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.152.103.126] Subject: PALM BEACH pirates shut down by FCC, FAA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 http://www1.allaccess.com/ One of SOUTH FLORIDA's countless pirate stations has been shut down after a helicopter pilot reported that it interfered with communications at PALM BEACH INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT and the LANTANA airport. TERRY JONES began noting the interference two weeks ago and reported it to the airports, the FAA, and the FCC, and the FAA used tracking equipment to find the station at the home of FRANTZLER NARCISSE in LAKE WORTH. Three other stations were shut down in a sweep on TUESDAY. The proliferation of pirate stations, mostly airing Haitian or hip-hop programming, in SOUTH FLORIDA has also drawn the attention of the FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF BROADCASTERS, which has gotten the State Senate to consider a bill that would make operating a pirate a third-degree felony, according to INSIDE RADIO. From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Apr 15 21:53:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49330 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2004 04:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2004 04:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2004 04:53:55 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040416044530.NSKJ17557.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:45:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:45:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001601c421e9$bad2f2e0$c188fea9@jimsmith> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.31 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} ksurf am 540 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll check tomorrow; tonight during the Drama shows it is mono. On Tuesday, April 13, 2004, at 11:28 PM, jimsmith wrote: > Hi=A0=A0 Can any one comferm that=A0 KSURF AM 540 is now back with AM STE= REO=20 > ???=A0 To week to know for sure=A0 i am neer Sacramento Ca=A0 and the onl= y=20 > one showing is my TM 152=A0 . Thanks Jim Smith > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Sat Apr 17 07:26:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35096 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2004 14:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2004 14:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2004 14:26:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2004 14:26:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:26:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 39 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.159.205.20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} ksurf am 540 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Quite mono this morning. False alarm. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 17 21:00:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20933 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2004 04:00:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2004 04:00:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2004 04:00:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2004 04:00:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 04:00:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 166 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.14.164 Subject: Re: {AMSF} ksurf am 540 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > Quite mono this morning. False alarm. Thats the tm 152 for you. thank you Jim Smith From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Apr 17 21:26:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28356 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2004 04:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2004 04:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2004 04:26:12 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040418042602.UXMR27184.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:26:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 21:26:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7FA1563E-90F0-11D8-B839-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.37 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, Tom. I finally listened to these samples. Sound OK, but the analog=20 is about the worst I have ever heard for AM. I'll have to run the=20 cables to the stereo for a real comparison on the HD. On Friday, March 26, 2004, at 09:46 AM, Tom Ray wrote: > Hi all. > > There are new samples posted on the WOR-HD site.=A0 These three were > recorded directly off the Kenwood radio in my car.=A0 > http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/audio_samples.htm > > Tom Ray > WOR > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Apr 18 03:34:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95406 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2004 10:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2004 10:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2004 10:34:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2004 10:34:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:34:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 546 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: What do you think of this way of combatting music prices? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key http://68.105.110.45:1180/stephen/pics1/canon_s1/IMG_7154.JPG A couple things about the pic though... the SRF-42 and Select-A-Tenna are too close to the computer. (I only put them there to get them in the picture). Also the SRF-42 is turned off (it actually doesn't have any batteries in it). The website referring to KDIS AM 1110 is for reference only. The radio was not actually tuned to that station, but the waveform is showing monitoring an mp3 recorded off of that station. Also, I can't get 1110 from my location very well if at all. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 18 18:58:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82769 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2004 01:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2004 01:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2004 01:58:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2004 01:58:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 01:58:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 840 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.16 Subject: B.E. AM Stereo exciter questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I am happy to have a Broadcast Electronics AX-10 C-Quam exciter coming my way soon. However, it is currently configued for the same frequency as a local broadcast station, so that will need to be changed. Does anyone know what kind of crystal this unit uses, and after that is installed, will any additional tweaking be required? Also, according to one web site, this puppy puts out 10 watts all by itself. For testing purposes, will a dummy load be required? I remember someone asking that about a Motorola 1300-series C-Quam exciter, but the answer was inconclusive. FWIW, this exciter is currently set to 1170 kHz, and is being shipped from San Diego, CA. Therefore I'm pretty sure it was removed from San Diego's 1170 KCBQ, which dropped their AM Stereo signal when Jacor (a.k.a. Clear Channel) took over the station. From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sun Apr 18 19:53:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 105 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2004 02:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2004 02:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2004 02:53:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:53:45 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by sea2-dav22.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 02:53:45 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:53:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2004 02:53:45.0848 (UTC) FILETIME=[8842E780:01C425B9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.164.79 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: Re: {AMSF} B.E. AM Stereo exciter questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Oh Man, You Lucky Dog!!!!! That is something I can only dream about having. Oh well a alfredo lite will have to do. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From Plutonyum@verizon.net Sun Apr 18 20:28:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Plutonyum@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12982 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2004 03:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2004 03:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2004 03:28:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2004 03:27:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 03:27:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <406CC475.1030400@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1319 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 151.197.23.36 Subject: {AMSF} Re: NYC AMS Roll Call X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=164360688 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian Speaking of WTTM, I tuned my TM-152 to receive up to 1700-1710 kHz. WTTM's signal & audio were EXCELLENT here in Lansdale, PA with the Radio Shack AM loop antenna! Tony --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > makes lots Of sense if you look at it this way. > Bad crystal Oscillator in the transmitter.. so they are using the an > old stereo exciter as the external oscillator to keep the transmitter > on the air.... I did that once until I was able to Fix the main > oscillator board.. station was back on the air owners were happy... > I also did that at WTTM before I had both broadcast lines installed > from the studio. > > > > > Jim Burgan wrote: > > >>Kevin T wrote: > >>There's also 1530 WJDM (Elizabeth, NJ) transmitting a C-Quam signal, > >>but with no pilot tone and audio in the left channel only, I wouldn't > >>really count them as an "AM Stereo" station. > >> > >> > > > >Color me curious... Why would they transmit a C-Quam signal with no pilot > >and audio in the left channel only? > >Makes no sense to me. > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Apr 18 22:14:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20347 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2004 05:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2004 05:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2004 05:14:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2004 05:13:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 05:13:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1326 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: B.E. AM Stereo exciter questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I am happy to have a Broadcast Electronics AX-10 C-Quam exciter > coming my way soon. However, it is currently configued for the same > frequency as a local broadcast station, so that will need to be > changed. Does anyone know what kind of crystal this unit uses, and > after that is installed, will any additional tweaking be required? > > Also, according to one web site, this puppy puts out 10 watts all by > itself. For testing purposes, will a dummy load be required? I > remember someone asking that about a Motorola 1300-series C-Quam > exciter, but the answer was inconclusive. > > FWIW, this exciter is currently set to 1170 kHz, and is being shipped > from San Diego, CA. Therefore I'm pretty sure it was removed from > San Diego's 1170 KCBQ, which dropped their AM Stereo signal when > Jacor (a.k.a. Clear Channel) took over the station. It's nice to know you're getting an AM Stereo exciter. What is neutral (for me) is that it came from what is currently a talk formatted station. What I don't like, though, is that it's not going to a music station where I live.... unless.... Hey do you think (depending on what format you're putting on it) you could put a > 10 mV/m signal toward El Cajon, CA +/- 5 mile radius? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 19 00:52:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57022 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2004 07:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2004 07:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12825.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.206) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2004 07:52:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20040419075226.45704.qmail@web12825.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.91.16] by web12825.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:52:26 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:52:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.174.206 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Fwd: Re: {AMSF} ksurf am 540 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- dbdigital2004 wrote: > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 06:47:24 -0000 > From: "dbdigital2004" > To: amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} ksurf am 540 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > Quite mono this morning. False alarm. > > K-surf is definitely mono. The only stations in the L.A. area that are > showing a stereo pilot are KRLA 870, KABC 790, KFOX 1650 and KDIS 1110. > Of these, only KDIS actually sounds like it's in stereo... with that > great AMS separation. > > db > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Apr 19 08:13:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96013 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2004 15:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2004 15:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2004 15:13:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2004 15:12:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:12:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040419075226.45704.qmail@web12825.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 502 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Fwd: Re: {AMSF} ksurf am 540 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud KBRT Avalon (740) is also still with us in full stereo. > > K-surf is definitely mono. The only stations in the L.A. area that are= =3D=0D > > showing a stereo pilot are KRLA 870, KABC 790, KFOX 1650 and KDIS=20 1110. > > Of these, only KDIS actually sounds like it's in stereo... with that > > great AMS separation. > >=20 > > db > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=09 > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25=A2 > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Apr 19 12:42:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 760 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2004 19:42:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2004 19:42:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2004 19:42:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2004 19:41:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:41:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040419075226.45704.qmail@web12825.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 951 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Fwd: Re: {AMSF} ksurf am 540 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key As recently as a few months ago, I heard separation on the station ID on KABC... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: >=20 > --- dbdigital2004 wrote: > > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 06:47:24 -0000 > > From: "dbdigital2004" > > To: amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} ksurf am 540 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > > Quite mono this morning. False alarm. > >=20 > > K-surf is definitely mono. The only stations in the L.A. area that are > > showing a stereo pilot are KRLA 870, KABC 790, KFOX 1650 and KDIS 1110. > > Of these, only KDIS actually sounds like it's in stereo... with that > > great AMS separation. > >=20 > > db > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=09 > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25=A2 > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Apr 19 23:55:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21056 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2004 06:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2004 06:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2004 06:55:35 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040420065527.KIXW5849.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@cox.net>; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:55:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:55:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereo@smartgroups.com Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.34 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Strange Post X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Read this post: http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=163936&Board=la > > I have a Chrysler C-Quam stereo receiver in my car. Only > > today did I notice that KNX ceased stereo. Is this because > > of their recent IBOC testing? And what of all those rumors > > about a KGO-type talk format there? > > > How quaint - AM stereo. Do you also listen to 8 tracks? ;-) A noble > experiment that never made any sense. > > I'm sure KNX wants to save the energy by turning off the stereo. And > yes, it looked like they were going to become a talk station but, > perhaps thanks to our complaining here on the forum, they have > retreated slightly to their previous formatting. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Apr 20 04:29:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91936 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2004 11:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2004 11:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2004 11:29:57 -0000 Received: from storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (unknown [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 30E20BE22; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 04:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA14063; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 04:27:11 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQbvQq8fffxGqa3dfnjH7g61UM/QAIUOmFlENt/khQxYZSCcItEx8QZf9Y= Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 06:27:10 -0500 To: amstereo@smartgroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <24834-4085090E-2067@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Richard Wagoner 's message of Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:55:21 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [amstereo] STereo on A.M. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find nothing "quaint" about AM Stereo. It may be battered around a bit like a ship at sea, BUT is STILL here and quite the listening experience. "Some" of these "persons" that constantly bash AM Stereo need only listen to an actual broadcast with a good C-Quam radio of a well engineered station in AM stereo , OR where those don't exist anymore, a CD recording of a similar station ( high power) in full blown AM Stereo. I have many recordings of KFAB Omaha , back in their (((AM Stereo))) glory days, and it blows away the competing FM Stations fidelity, stereo separation....etc,, Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 20 07:34:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21752 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2004 14:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2004 14:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2004 14:34:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2004 14:34:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:34:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 306 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: iBiquity's list of IBOC stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics iBiquity now has a list of IBOC stations on their web site: http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/hdradio_hdstations.htm However, don't expect it to be even halfway accurate. Out of the six AM IBOC stations they list as being on the air in my region, only three are actually transmitting a digital signal. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 20 12:53:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62726 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2004 19:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2004 19:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2004 19:53:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20040420195354.69279.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:53:54 PDT Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:53:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.72 From: "John P." Subject: Stereo Music on WJR again! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If you want the ultimate properly-processed Stereo AM station audio, look no further than the new Sunday evening music program on WJR from Ann Deleslie. Spectacular audio quality - and AM stereo too to boot. This week the topic was Canadian female artists who've made a difference in the music scene. Week before it was highlights of 1989. A great radio show, and a great way to show off an AM Stereo tuner such as the fabulous Fanfare FTA-100, or even the old Sony AMS tuners. Make a point to listen Sunday night at 6pm (after the news). __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From castellano105@yahoo.com Tue Apr 20 13:49:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 705 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2004 20:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2004 20:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2004 20:49:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2004 20:49:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:49:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 156 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 69.68.241.61 Subject: FCC Concidering Night time IBOC on AM. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Brodcasters are petissioning the FCC to allow night time Brodcasting on AM IBOC and FCC is starting to think about it and is seaking input on the subject. From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Apr 20 19:49:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29923 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 02:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 02:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.62) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 02:49:28 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.203.116.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.203.116] helo=earthlink.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BG7nM-0003XC-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:49:05 -0700 Message-ID: <4085E12B.CF996FB1@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:49:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.62 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} iBiquity's list of IBOC stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's interesting that in Florida (where I live), except for the Miami area there are no AM stations listed as IBOC. To me, that shows that there is very little AM broadcaster confidence in the system. Dick W. "Kevin T." wrote: > iBiquity now has a list of IBOC stations on their web site: > > http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/hdradio_hdstations.htm > > However, don't expect it to be even halfway accurate. Out of the six > AM IBOC stations they list as being on the air in my region, only > three are actually transmitting a digital signal. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Apr 20 22:16:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13181 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 05:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 05:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 05:16:02 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3L5G02e016890 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:16:00 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3L5FrhR015381 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:15:53 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3L5FrAM015376 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:15:53 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:15:52 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDBAF@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:15:44 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: Manual for CRL SMP-900 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Hi Guys, Does anyone have a manual for a CRL SMP-900 in PDF format they could email me? I've checked the CRL website and it doesn't appear to be there - haven't emailed them yet however. Cheers, Matt From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 07:59:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80481 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 14:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 14:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 14:59:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2004 14:58:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:58:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDBAF@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 603 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Manual for CRL SMP-900 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does anyone have a manual for a CRL SMP-900 in PDF format they could > email me? > > I've checked the CRL website and it doesn't appear to be there - > haven't emailed them yet however. I have the SMP-950 manual and it's like 200+ pages, including full schematics. Your best best is to contact CRL to obtain a print copy. It won't be free, but there is really no substitute for an original copy of the manual. CRL writes very detailed manuals and with the help of an oscilloscope and their step-by-step procedures, I finally got my own SMP-950 fully adjusted and sounding better than ever. From stodd@vippn.com Wed Apr 21 12:24:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96877 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 19:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 19:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 19:24:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2004 19:24:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:24:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 637 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: Re: Two new AM Stereo stations... maybe X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "link_s86" wrote: > I suspect this could be Starboard leased and owned stations in > Chicago. They are renting AM 820 which is a nice Omni daytimer with > good sign on and sign off times. The possible DA-2 station was > purchased outright by Starboard recently and is 930 Sandwich IL. > > I have no inside knowledge of this. This is all pure speculation on > my part. Starboard is a Catholic broadcasting network. I do not > know anyone that works there, no do I know anyone at the engineering > firm. Except that Starboard is a mono talk network. Scott Todd From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Apr 21 15:42:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64197 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 22:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 22:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 22:42:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2004 22:42:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:42:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 54 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.20.151 Subject: New AM Stereo Australia Forum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumaustralia/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 17:19:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21682 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2004 00:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2004 00:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2004 00:19:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2004 00:19:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:19:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 382 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.5 Subject: No more IBOC on WBZ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As reported below, Boston's 1030 WBZ is now IBOC-free. I'll have to check them tonight; they could be on their very nice-sounding AM Stereo backup transmitter. =========================== [RT] AM stations dumping IBOC already SteveOrdinetz radio-tech@broadcast.net Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:39:12 -0400 WBZ in Boston seems to have shut theirs off in the past couple days too. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Apr 21 17:24:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19306 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2004 00:24:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2004 00:24:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2004 00:24:39 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004042200243101100plflte>; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:24:34 +0000 To: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 20:22:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c427ff$e60641d0$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.55 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} No more IBOC on WBZ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Nope, unfortunately it's just the regular transmitter minus the IBOC. It's been off since Monday. My theory was that they might have thought there'd be a lot of people along the route of the Boston Marathon listening to the progress of the race on older analog tuners. They might have figured people would have trouble tuning out the hash. Just a wild guess though. I hope it sticks. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:19 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} No more IBOC on WBZ? As reported below, Boston's 1030 WBZ is now IBOC-free. I'll have to check them tonight; they could be on their very nice-sounding AM Stereo backup transmitter. =========================== [RT] AM stations dumping IBOC already SteveOrdinetz radio-tech@broadcast.net Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:39:12 -0400 WBZ in Boston seems to have shut theirs off in the past couple days too. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 19:38:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86180 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2004 02:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2004 02:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2004 02:38:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2004 02:38:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 02:38:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c427ff$e60641d0$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 636 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.5 Subject: Re: No more IBOC on WBZ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It's been off since Monday. My theory was that they might have > thought there'd be a lot of people along the route of the Boston > Marathon listening to the progress of the race on older analog > tuners. They might have figured people would have trouble tuning > out the hash. Or, that the 8-1/2 second delay of the IBOCized audio would be disconcerting, especially when the winner crosses the finish line. Some of the Rutgers basketball games are broadcast on both 710 WOR (IBOC) and 1450 WCTC (AM Stereo). It's funny to listen to it on WCTC, then flip over to WOR and hear the last sentence repeated again due to the delay. From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Apr 22 10:50:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2264 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2004 17:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2004 17:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2004 17:50:15 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3MHliH1036837 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:47:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002c01c42891$eb3981c0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:47:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No more IBOC on WBZ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Kevin T wrote: > Some of the Rutgers basketball games are broadcast on both 710 WOR > (IBOC) and 1450 WCTC (AM Stereo). It's funny to listen to it on > WCTC, then flip over to WOR and hear the last sentence repeated > again due to the delay. Is there an 8 second delay on their analog as well or were listening to WOR's digital service? From krichards@wor710.com Thu Apr 22 11:44:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14181 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2004 18:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2004 18:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2004 18:44:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: krichards@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2004 18:44:14 -0000 X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29012 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2004 18:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2004 18:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2004 18:26:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2004 18:25:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:25:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1978 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.206.116 Subject: Re: No more IBOC on WBZ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 22 Apr 2004 18:44:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 Kevin, I do not know how you could hear a delay, since our Sports producer Noah ramps down the analog HD delay to real time for every WOR sports broadcast. It takes about 10 minutes for the HD exciter to ramp down or up to the full delay of 8.3 seconds. We have this set very conservatively so the on air effect is unnoticible. WOR produces all Rutgers programming here, and therefore with the ISDN connection to WCTC they are in fact a half a second or so behind the WOR audio. The only time WOR broadcasts in real time is any sports broadcast, where the operator on duty ramps down the HD exciter before the broadcast, and then ramps it back up at the conclusion. On Sat. nite at about 11:45PM we begin the ramp down before the switch at midnite to the Aux TX, which operates in real time. This is all automated so the Aux TX gets exercised weekly during the Memory Lane musical program. The Aux TX is also normally connected to the Orban 110 so the processing is a little lighter, and yes we transmit out to the full 10khz analog once each week. During this period anyone listening in HD would have to switch to the analog portion for real time audio. The HD portion is still delayed about 8.3 seconds. Kerry.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > It's been off since Monday. My theory was that they might have > > thought there'd be a lot of people along the route of the Boston > > Marathon listening to the progress of the race on older analog > > tuners. They might have figured people would have trouble tuning > > out the hash. > > Or, that the 8-1/2 second delay of the IBOCized audio would be > disconcerting, especially when the winner crosses the finish line. > > Some of the Rutgers basketball games are broadcast on both 710 WOR > (IBOC) and 1450 WCTC (AM Stereo). It's funny to listen to it on > WCTC, then flip over to WOR and hear the last sentence repeated > again due to the delay. From roy.sandgren@telia.com Fri Apr 23 11:36:15 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From berettagtz@bonbon.net Fri Apr 23 23:09:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: berettagtz@bonbon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97156 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2004 06:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2004 06:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2004 06:09:45 -0000 Received: from bonbon.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 93F8D72D87 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 05:25:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ernestjones (gso26-194-123.triad.rr.com [66.26.194.123]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 80FBF394728 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 05:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <000701c429c2$783bdd80$6600a8c0@triad.rr.com> To: References: <000601c42961$edc82560$9bb3e251@roy> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:07:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: "Ernest Jones" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don't touch my computer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174081060 X-Yahoo-Profile: e92fmjamz spam..... ------- Ernest AIM: femjamz Yahoo: e92fmjamz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Sandgren" To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 2:36 PM Subject: {AMSF} Don't touch my computer! > > Don't touch my computer! > http://www.bullguard.com/pamelaspeak > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 2004-04-23 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Apr 24 04:30:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63344 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2004 11:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2004 11:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2004 11:30:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2004 11:29:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:29:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c429c2$783bdd80$6600a8c0@triad.rr.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.11.224 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don't touch my computer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ernest Jones" wrote: > spam..... > ------- Also got this on my group. I don't know what Roy is playing at sending this. He's the one involved in the planned station on 603khz in Europe From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Apr 24 06:58:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10128 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2004 13:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2004 13:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2004 13:58:49 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3ODwETO080698 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 07:58:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000401c42a04$307694d0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <000601c42961$edc82560$9bb3e251@roy> <000701c429c2$783bdd80$6600a8c0@triad.rr.com> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:58:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don't touch my computer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > spam..... > > Don't touch my computer! > > http://www.bullguard.com/pamelaspeak Yep... I received it on 4 or 5 different Usenet Groups. I'm sure it's ringing up the cash-register at their porno site. But she wasn't bad looking :-) From roy.sandgren@telia.com Sun Apr 25 09:44:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17426 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2004 16:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2004 16:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO av7-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net) (81.228.11.114) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2004 16:44:40 -0000 Received: by av7-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id A2E6537EEB; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:44:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.163]) by av7-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9116237E44; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:44:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from roy (h155n2fls302o1101.telia.com [81.226.179.155]) by smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 271FB37E4B; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:44:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001201c42ae4$a94e2f40$9bb3e251@roy> To: , , , , , Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:45:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.228.11.114 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Broadcast_From_=C5land?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike Spencer is broadcasting from =C5land via www.rni2020.net at 2100 loc= al =C5land time Roy Sandgren Radio Scandinavia 603 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brian60420@yahoo.com Sun Apr 25 20:24:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44832 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2004 03:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2004 03:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2004 03:24:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2004 03:24:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 03:24:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002e01c40911$612f4b80$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1129 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "brian60420" X-Originating-IP: 69.47.150.208 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Richard said,it's the programming! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Absolutely, it's the programming. I've taken my Chris Cuff Alfredo Lite and put it in my car. It's set for 1550 AM. I have a CD player and XM radio as inputs. While most people complain about XM's digital codec when listening through direct output, I have found that through the Alf Lite, it sounds much better. The high pitch squeal is gone due to the filtering of AM. It also helps that I have an AM Stereo in the car and can enjoy variety of XM and the deep richness of AM stereo sound. I highly recommend trying this just so see what you think. There's not much to listen to on AM or FM these days. Just the same old #$%^, just served up for another day (as if we can't tell). brian --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Now that IS bad! :O > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donn Tillman" > > > AMEN, Richard! > > > > Very well said. > > > > I even find myself listening to NOAA weather radio an hour or so at a > time, > > even their robotic voices are better than most of the commercial radio > > programming availabel here. From stodd@vippn.com Mon Apr 26 08:07:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36731 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2004 15:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2004 15:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2004 15:07:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2004 15:05:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:05:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1098 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude From the weekly NAB Radio Techcheck, point number 6 of 8: >>Gary Shapiro-Broadcast Engineering Conference Keynote Gary Shapiro first appeared as the BEC keynote speaker in 1993-in fact, this was the first time the BEC was opened with a keynote presentation. Back then he talked about the changes he saw coming, and urged the broadcasting industry to adopt an eight-point plan to enhance analog and to embrace digital. In this year's speech he "had some fun" looking back at his eight points, scoring how he did and seeing if the ideas made sense as history unfolded: 6. Adopt AM Stereo-AM was dying in the early '90s and the FCC would not choose between two competing AM stereo standards. The FCC eventually chose a standard but it was way too late and AM is still struggling. Gary scored this a B because although it was a good suggestion and the right strategy, the industry didn't mount an effective campaign for quick FCC action.<< As the president of CES, I wonder if he couldn't have used a bit more leverage to get receiver manufacturers to implement AM stereo? Scott Todd From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 18:52:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33308 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2004 01:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2004 01:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2004 01:52:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2004 01:52:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:52:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1436 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.133 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Richard said,it's the programming! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > While most people complain about XM's digital codec when listening > through direct output, I have found that through the Alf Lite, it > sounds much better. The high pitch squeal is gone due to the > filtering of AM. While having lunch at a Burger King today I noticed their background music was the XM love songs channel. With the treble roll-off of the ceiling speakers (similar to a classic AM table radio) I didn't really hear any of the codec artifacts -- although when listening in a car with a pair of tweeters aimed right at your face, that's a different story, and XM's 'screechy' artificial treble is bad enough to give me a headache. I did notice, however, that the volume level was rather inconsistent. Due to their very light audio processing, older, more dynamic songs sounded thin and quiet, while newer, pre-compressed songs came through noticeably louder and more 'up-front'. This could easily be prevented if they had performed RMS normalization on their music collection, so that each track plays at around the same loudness, without needing to increase the level of audio processing. And although the music variety may be great, I just don't like XM's complete lack of personality. To me, radio just isn't radio without a live DJ and slick cross-fades between songs. Throw in a good jingle package and you've really got it made. Otherwise all you have is a lifeless automated jukebox. From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Apr 26 19:11:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92487 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2004 02:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2004 02:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.120) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2004 02:11:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:11:28 -0700 Received: from 172.152.10.142 by bay99-dav16.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 02:11:27 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:11:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2004 02:11:28.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[F31418B0:01C42BFC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.120 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.152.10.142] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Richard said,it's the programming! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: >To me, radio just isn't radio without a live DJ and slick cross-fades between songs. Throw in a good jingle package and you've really got it made. Just like Larry Lujack did it on 1000 WCFL! Or "John Records Landecker" on 890 WLS Or the "REAL Bob James" on 660 WNBC Or the "Greaseman" on 690 WAPE Or "Brother Bill" on 910 WORD That was REAL radio! Now the only fun on AM is laughing and timing how long it will take before the idiot in charge notices that the automation is hung up...again. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 27 19:28:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45162 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2004 02:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2004 02:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2004 02:28:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20040428022835.61456.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.97] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:28:35 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:28:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Richard said,it's the programming! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin T. wrote: > >To me, radio just isn't radio without a live DJ and > slick cross-fades > between songs. Throw in a good jingle package and > you've really got it > made. > > Just like Larry Lujack did it on 1000 WCFL! > Or "John Records Landecker" on 890 WLS > Or the "REAL Bob James" on 660 WNBC > Or the "Greaseman" on 690 WAPE > Or "Brother Bill" on 910 WORD Brother Bill? What was his complete name? Powell ( who has heard the original WORD! ) ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From brian60420@yahoo.com Wed Apr 28 12:58:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68868 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2004 19:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2004 19:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2004 19:58:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2004 19:56:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:56:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1011 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "brian60420" X-Originating-IP: 207.43.195.13 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Richard said,it's the programming! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > > And although the music variety may be great, I just don't like XM's > complete lack of personality. To me, radio just isn't radio without > a live DJ and slick cross-fades between songs. Throw in a good > jingle package and you've really got it made. Otherwise all you have > is a lifeless automated jukebox. XM doesn't have the DJ power that you might expect, but they do have live DJs and jingles on certain channels during regular drivetime hours. 60's on 6 and 80's on 8 have them. There are others too. My original point was, there is such a lack of musical programming for AM stereo out there that I've become *desperate* to make my ST light turn on. Around here, there are 2 stereo stations. 2. Only 2. Never going to be more than 2. When I connect XM to my AM ST transmitter, I now have 100. That's equivalent to having every AM channel occupied with programming. Wouldn't that be something? brian From brian60420@yahoo.com Wed Apr 28 13:00:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50175 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2004 20:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2004 20:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2004 20:00:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2004 20:00:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:00:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1011 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "brian60420" X-Originating-IP: 207.43.195.13 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Richard said,it's the programming! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > > And although the music variety may be great, I just don't like XM's > complete lack of personality. To me, radio just isn't radio without > a live DJ and slick cross-fades between songs. Throw in a good > jingle package and you've really got it made. Otherwise all you have > is a lifeless automated jukebox. XM doesn't have the DJ power that you might expect, but they do have live DJs and jingles on certain channels during regular drivetime hours. 60's on 6 and 80's on 8 have them. There are others too. My original point was, there is such a lack of musical programming for AM stereo out there that I've become *desperate* to make my ST light turn on. Around here, there are 2 stereo stations. 2. Only 2. Never going to be more than 2. When I connect XM to my AM ST transmitter, I now have 100. That's equivalent to having every AM channel occupied with programming. Wouldn't that be something? brian From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Apr 28 14:16:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48182 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2004 21:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2004 21:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2004 21:16:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2004 21:16:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:16:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 196 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: stereo oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I've forgotten the ftp address, user, and password for our Stereo Oldies folder... anyone have that info??? thanks! BTW... anyone have a stereo copy of "Goodbye, Cruel World" by James Darren? From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Apr 28 19:18:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64776 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2004 02:18:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2004 02:18:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2004 02:18:55 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3T2IpRT068418 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:18:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001c01c42d90$50dfa0b0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:18:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Richard said,it's the programming! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > XM doesn't have the DJ power that you might expect, but they do have > live DJs and jingles on certain channels during regular drivetime > hours. 60's on 6 and 80's on 8 have them. There are others too. I could be wrong about this but I've been told that none of the DJ's are live on XM. They are all voicetracked... some are VT'ed several days in advance. Again I have no way of confirming it but the original source was very credible. From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Apr 29 06:45:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37780 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2004 13:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2004 13:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.126) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2004 13:45:32 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.236.192.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.236.192] helo=earthlink.net) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BJBqq-00016b-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:45:21 -0700 Message-ID: <409106FC.7F83115E@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:45:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <001c01c42d90$50dfa0b0$6501a8c0@jimspc> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.126 From: Dick W Subject: GE Superadio Model #3-5280 + Cassette X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just letting everybody know there's one of these rare GE Superadios with a built-in Cassette up for auction on eBay. It would be great for recording your dx catches. Dick W. eBay link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=932&item=3094174600&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 29 09:28:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94059 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2004 16:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2004 16:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2004 16:28:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2004 16:28:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:28:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 908 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: AM Stereo in Colombia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Can anybody help this guy out... perhaps somebody who is fluent in Spanish? This is from an e-mail I just received: ================== We have seen your recommendations and listings of radios and we congratulate you.... We want to acquire about 1000 radios AM STEREO of baterry and 1000 radios AM STEREO of current of 120 volts. In Colombia the market of TH STEREO AM begins, and there will be a lot of markets to exploit...a great market. We are interested in 2 references of radios according to what we have seen in your page, the firts one is the Sony's Reference SFR-A300 AM STEREO and the second one is Sony's SRF-A100 AM STEREO / FM STEREO. Please help us to see where and how we can acquire them. You can answer us to the e-mail : nubiamelodia@hotmail.com - cadenamelodia@hotmail.com Thnak you. Cordially, CADENA MELODIA DE COLOMBIA EFRAIN PAEZ ESPITIA Presidente From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Apr 29 12:48:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92712 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2004 19:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2004 19:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2004 19:48:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20040429193024.5573.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.118] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:30:24 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:30:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <409106FC.7F83115E@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE Superadio Model #3-5280 + Cassette X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Dick W wrote: > Just letting everybody know there's one of these > rare GE Superadios with a > built-in Cassette up for auction on eBay. It would > be great for recording your dx catches. > Dick W. It is. I found one, rather beat up looking, cleaned it up nicely for ( no crying now..) for $5 at a thrift store. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Apr 29 13:27:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49058 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2004 20:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2004 20:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.121.226) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2004 20:27:46 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.212.211.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.212.211] helo=earthlink.net) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BJI8G-0005OS-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:27:45 -0700 Message-ID: <40916540.435B7A95@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:27:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20040429193024.5573.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.121.226 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE Superadio Model #3-5280 + Cassette X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would say you got your money's worth!! Dick W. "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > --- Dick W wrote: > > Just letting everybody know there's one of these > > rare GE Superadios with a > > built-in Cassette up for auction on eBay. It would > > be great for recording your dx catches. > > Dick W. > > It is. I found one, rather beat up looking, cleaned it > up nicely for ( no crying now..) for $5 at a thrift > store. > > Powell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Apr 29 17:34:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3142 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2004 00:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2004 00:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2004 00:33:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20040430002908.80653.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.101] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:29:08 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:29:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <40916540.435B7A95@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.85 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE Superadio Model #3-5280 + Cassette X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Dick W wrote: > I would say you got your money's worth!! > Dick W. It also has a "loudness" switch as some stereo receivers have. It plays L O U D E R than the SR II also. It's also WAY MUCH heavier. I've been scraping the roof and now putting a rustproof coat on the roof of my tornado magnet, and the radio plays more than loud enough to be listenable 50 feet away with no strain. The only fault is the bass control knob was sitting there, so I removed it and used another to set it for flat. 6 D cell rechargeables and good tapes and finishing up the first part tomorrow, let everything dry over the weekend and put the white sealant on early next week. I might just fire up the AM stereo transmitter and a 320 minute minidisc so I will have some decent audio to play with! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w6yn@juno.com Fri Apr 30 09:24:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60308 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2004 16:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2004 16:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2004 16:24:20 -0000 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCUezKNMHC5BPyxcFYAfRnmo= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JUGSPWSW; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:23:30 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:10:57 -0700 Message-ID: <20040430.092227.1472.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,7,11-12 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Tech Council of Maryland Honors Ibiquity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Date posted: 2004-04-28 Tech Council of Maryland Honors Ibiquity The Tech Council of Maryland named Ibiquity Digital's HD Radio technology "IT Product of the Year." The award, presented Monday night by Maryland Lieutenant Governor Michael Steele, was among the highlights of a dinner attended by more than 700 area technology leaders. "By helping stations around the country convert to digital, Ibiquity's HD Radio technology is revolutionizing the entire radio broadcast industry, and for that reason, they were honored as our Product of the Year," said Dyan Brasington, president of the Tech Council of Maryland. The Technology Council of Maryland, now in its 18th year, is a non-profit membership consortium open to high technology firms, government laboratories, higher education institutions and business support firms that form Maryland's technology community. From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Apr 30 10:48:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24223 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2004 17:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2004 17:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2004 17:48:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20040430174825.64907.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.99] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:48:25 PDT Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:48:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040430.092227.1472.0.w6yn@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.87 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tech Council of Maryland Honors Ibiquity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Date posted: 2004-04-28 > > Tech Council of Maryland Honors Ibiquity I wonder how much was paid or how political this really IS ? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Apr 30 11:41:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98254 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2004 18:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2004 18:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2004 18:41:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2004 18:41:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 34792 invoked by uid 65534); 30 Apr 2004 18:41:31 -0000 Date: 30 Apr 2004 18:41:31 -0000 Message-ID: <1083350491.8930.34726.w39@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WBAP 4-28-04 SweeperA.mp3 Uploaded by : DeepCoffee Description : WBAP 820 Ft. Worth/Dallas, TX With new Stereo Sweepers for 2004 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WBAP%204-28-04%20SweeperA.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, DeepCoffee From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Apr 30 11:44:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59632 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2004 18:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2004 18:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2004 18:44:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2004 18:43:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 42380 invoked by uid 65534); 30 Apr 2004 18:43:35 -0000 Date: 30 Apr 2004 18:43:35 -0000 Message-ID: <1083350615.52362.42225.w33@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/RadioDisney4-28-04Pan.mp3 Uploaded by : DeepCoffee Description : Radio Disney 620 Dallas. Not the cleanest signal, but good sample nevertheless. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/RadioDisney4-28-04Pan.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, DeepCoffee From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Apr 30 14:51:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48483 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2004 21:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2004 21:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2004 21:51:46 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [66.6.180.189]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:52:15 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c42efd$04abfb80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20040430174825.64907.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:49:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tech Council of Maryland Honors Ibiquity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "IT", huh? I do believe they left off the "SH" that belongs in the front of that. What an incredible crock. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:48 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tech Council of Maryland Honors Ibiquity [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Sat May 01 11:06:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92078 invoked from network); 1 May 2004 18:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2004 18:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.173.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2004 18:06:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 May 2004 11:06:20 -0700 Received: from 209.240.207.116 by bay5-dav38.bay5.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 01 May 2004 18:06:20 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 14:06:20 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <22250-4093E71C-2906@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 30 Apr 2004 09:17:55 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2004 18:06:20.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[019B10C0:01C42FA7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.173.68 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: [209.240.207.116] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1185 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Dick wrote Dick W Subject: GE Superadio Model #3-5280 + Cassette Just letting everybody know there's one of these rare GE Superadios with a built-in Cassette up for auction on eBay. It would be great for recording your dx catches. Dick W. eBay link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=932&item=3094174600&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW I had three of these. I sold two of them and kept one. The one on ebay now does NOT have the original telescopic antenna on it. These are NOT rare a few have been popping up on ebay lately and yard sales and fleamarkets. The AM is very senative but FM is not to good unless you use an external antenna which helps. ~INDEX~ http://norbert26.com This is the end cried the little dog as he ran around in circles chasing his tail. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 01 19:49:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29679 invoked from network); 2 May 2004 02:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2004 02:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2004 02:49:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20040502024947.1789.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.83] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 May 2004 19:49:47 PDT Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 19:49:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <22250-4093E71C-2906@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.85 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1185 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- starship_2001@msn.com wrote: > Dick wrote > > Dick W > Subject: GE Superadio Model #3-5280 + Cassette > Just letting everybody know there's one of these > rare GE Superadios with > a built-in Cassette up for auction on eBay. It would > be great for > recording your dx catches. > Dick W. > eBay link: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=932&item=3094174600&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW > > > I had three of these. I sold two of them and kept > one. The one on ebay > now does NOT have the original telescopic antenna on > it. These are NOT > rare a few have been popping up on ebay lately and > yard sales and > fleamarkets. The AM is very senative but FM is not > to good unless you > use an external antenna which helps. I bought it for the MW and the cassette. The heads have not even a TRACE of wear! And it plays quite loudly without strain. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 04 07:28:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30921 invoked from network); 4 May 2004 14:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2004 14:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2004 14:28:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2004 14:28:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 14:28:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1254 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: AM/FM/DAB tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com.... TBK, TI Deliver Quad-Band Eureka-147 DAB Module South Korean manufacturer TBK Electronics has developed a module for Eureka-147 digital radio that features reception for four radio bands, AM, FM and two digital frequencies. The new quad-band module, driven by digital baseband technology from Texas Instruments, enables the creation of radios that will receive analog AM/FM, plus DAB's Band 3 and L-Band. TBK also has production-ready tri-band modules, with FM, Band 3 and L-band. South Korean-based LG Electronics will use TBK's new modules in Eureka-147 radios. "The new modules will allow us to quickly enter the market and be immediately competitive, with products that support every radio band for any country currently with DAB," said Mr. Sung K.H., senior engineer and chief of the Micro Audio group at LG. The TBK modules are based on TI's TMS320DRE200 digital signal processor (DSP)-based digital baseband that provides the digital signal processing necessary for filtering and decoding digital radio broadcasts. The TBK quad- and tri-band Eureka-147 DAB modules are available in production quantities. LG plans to have its first products based on the TBK modules available later this year. From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue May 04 11:49:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81194 invoked from network); 4 May 2004 18:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2004 18:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2004 18:49:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2004 18:48:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 18:48:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 367 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 Subject: equipment available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Talked with the engineer at WAAM, which recently went mono with a format change to talk, about whether and for how much they'd be willing to let their AM stereo equipment go for, and he said $2000 for the complete package: BE AX-10 exciter, AS-10 mod monitor, plus interconnecting cables and manuals. Contact Mike Bradford at WAAM 734-971-1600. Scott Todd From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed May 05 10:00:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21583 invoked from network); 5 May 2004 17:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2004 17:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41008.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2004 17:00:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20040505165912.96041.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.64.98.97] by web41008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 May 2004 09:59:12 PDT Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:59:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.7 From: JNR Subject: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Does anyone know of a station currently for sale around $100k? I've looked at www.buysellradio.com & www.broadcaststations4sale.com. I'll have to get a loan, but I am sick of not being my own boss. Jay __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From roy.sandgren@telia.com Wed May 05 11:35:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17063 invoked from network); 5 May 2004 18:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2004 18:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO av3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net) (81.228.9.109) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2004 18:35:16 -0000 Received: by av3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 3384A37E8D; Wed, 5 May 2004 20:35:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.178]) by av3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C0837E42; Wed, 5 May 2004 20:35:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from roy (h155n2fls302o1101.telia.com [81.226.179.155]) by smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C7B2238006; Wed, 5 May 2004 20:35:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000a01c432cf$d2161c60$9bb3e251@roy> To: , , "herbert falkner" , , , , , Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 20:36:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.228.9.109 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: Egg-insulators X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Radiofreaks of AM. Do you have any egginsulators up to 5kW's our radiomast/antenna??? Any in England/London??? The antenna/mast will be at our swinging radioship on 603 khz. Hope to do some tests with a longwire attached to a 70m mast and a tx next week. Where??? In Mariehamn Roy Sandgren Radio Scandinavia 603 AM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.677 / Virus Database: 439 - Release Date: 2004-05-04 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed May 05 16:59:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14411 invoked from network); 5 May 2004 23:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2004 23:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (65.101.222.243) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2004 23:59:08 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.242] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 5 May 2004 17:40:59 -0600 Message-ID: <001d01c432fd$65d6b0e0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20040505165912.96041.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:02:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2004 23:41:00.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BAEFF20:01C432FA] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.101.222.243 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Don't know if the FCC has deleted it yet or not, but you could probably pick up AM 1400 in Virginia, MN for stick value (about $75k). Still dark AFAIK- will need a new air studio and a working transmitter. The old MW-1A zorched some time ago but is rebuildable. Could probably buy a good used one for what it would cost to rehab it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 11:59 AM Subject: {AMSF} Question > Does anyone know of a station currently for sale > around $100k? I've looked at > www.buysellradio.com & > www.broadcaststations4sale.com. I'll have to get > a loan, but I am sick of not being my own boss. > > Jay > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 05 19:14:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20100 invoked from network); 6 May 2004 02:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2004 02:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2004 02:14:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2004 02:14:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 02:14:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c432fd$65d6b0e0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1223 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.8 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Don't know if the FCC has deleted it yet or not, but you could > probably pick up AM 1400 in Virginia, MN for stick value (about > $75k). Still dark AFAIK- will need a new air studio and a working > transmitter. The old MW-1A zorched some time ago but is > rebuildable. Could probably buy a good used one for what it would > cost to rehab it. About a year ago, there was a complete, functional station in rural PA that sold for something like $85k. That seems like pocket change compared to here in suburban NJ, where you can barely even get a piece of vacant land for that much. A 250-watt daytimer with complete and functional equipment sold for $400k in this area two years ago, which is probably the high end for this kind of small AM station. And now, the religious group that bought it is trying to raise an additional $400k to completely renovate the station, including new tower(s) and a possible power increase and/or upgrade to nighttime service. That's a big investment, but even with the limited signal, their Gospel music format seems to have already gained decent popularity, and I give them credit for keeping it going as a locally-oriented station with live, local DJs 7 days a week. From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed May 05 19:28:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41478 invoked from network); 6 May 2004 02:28:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2004 02:28:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.122) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2004 02:28:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 May 2004 19:28:40 -0700 Received: from 172.172.65.90 by bay99-dav18.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 06 May 2004 02:28:40 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040505165912.96041.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 21:54:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2004 02:28:40.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[D83DDCD0:01C43311] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.122 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.172.65.90] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 JNR wrote: > Does anyone know of a station currently for sale around $100k? Yes. 1400 WKDY 1000W Unlimited Spartanburg, SC Full Service-Country format. Note: 90's vintage equipment, Nice studio 2 year old CCA AM1000D TUBE transmitter. Phantom 2 Automation 1510 WDRF 1000W Daytime 250 W Critical Hours No Chance for PSA or PSSA Non-D in Woodruff, SC Southern Gospel format Note: PRETTY building, early 90's vintage CHEAP equipment with a BC1G backup transmitter. While the studio and transmitter are on-site, On cool Winter afternoons, WLAC can be heard in WDRF's parking lot during critical hours! 1300 WCKI 1000W Daytime with 500W PSA unused PSSA. Non-D in Greer, SC Southern Gospel format Note: Nice studio building and 1970s vintage lighted tower. most of the equipment is 1960's vintage junk, including the CCA AM1000D transmitter. 1390 WHPB 1000W Daytime with 500W PSA unused PSSA Non-D in Belton, SC Note: Went dark and sold real estate to pay debt. equipment is 1980s vintage STEREO with a "As-New" condition MW1A transmitter with the AM STEREO kit installed. Station also has a Harris Stereo 80 on-air board. 1590 WABV 1000W Daytime 500W PSA 19W Night Abbeville, SC Note: Been dark more than on the air in the past 20 years. Dark now. Equipment is junk. Hell, Buy 'em ALL and start your own network. If you got all 5 of them, you would cover the Number 59 radio market, so with decent programming, you could get good Arbitron numbers. If you are looking for a "Turn-Key" station, WKDY would be the best bet. WABV has the best potential due to the fact it is far enough out of the Greenville-Spartanburg market, the Greenville stations are NOT sucking ad revenue out of Abbeville. Your only real competition would be Automated WZLA-FM 92.1 Oldies-Beach format. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed May 05 20:18:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63891 invoked from network); 6 May 2004 03:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2004 03:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2004 03:18:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20040506031829.26415.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.99] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 May 2004 20:18:29 PDT Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 20:18:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.80 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: WDRF then WSJW.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > 1510 WDRF 1000W Daytime 250 W Critical Hours No > Chance for PSA or PSSA Non-D > in Woodruff, SC Southern Gospel format > Note: PRETTY building, early 90's vintage CHEAP > equipment with a BC1G backup > transmitter. While the studio and transmitter are > on-site, On cool Winter > afternoons, WLAC can be heard in WDRF's parking lot > during critical hours! It was WSJW when I worked there in the early 70's. I could sign on some weekends in the winter when it would still be dark. I fired up to 1KW and carried the almost overload proof RCA TRF down to the tower. I could hear WLAC to within 15 feet! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 05 20:50:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90211 invoked from network); 6 May 2004 03:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2004 03:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2004 03:50:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2004 03:49:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 03:49:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 442 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.12 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > A 250-watt daytimer with complete and functional equipment sold for > $400k in this area two years ago, BTW, if you'd like to hear what this station sounded like before the ownership/format change: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/1070wkmb.mp3 Not AM Stereo, but nice hi-fi mono, and their custom homebrew audio processing gave them a very unique sound, especially on the DJ's voice. Definitely not your typical "Optimud" audio! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 06 06:44:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38372 invoked from network); 6 May 2004 13:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2004 13:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2004 13:44:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20040506134439.9413.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 May 2004 06:44:39 PDT Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 06:44:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: Cheap station for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Jay asked: "Does anyone know of a station currently for sale around $100k? I've looked at www.buysellradio.com & www.broadcaststations4sale.com. I'll have to get a loan, but I am sick of not being my own boss. Jay" Just this week - check out the news on Radio & Records transactions; the station went for a sweet deal: Payment of $525.00 per month for 10 years - with no interest!!!!! Damn - a radio station for house payments - if you could live there, you'd be all set; but my guess is that you'll pay a load of property taxes on the land. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu May 06 07:54:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72030 invoked from network); 6 May 2004 14:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2004 14:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2004 14:54:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2004 14:53:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 14:53:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 632 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Cameo Parkway X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Just in case any of you are still wondering whether Cameo Parkway is REALLY hitting the CD shelves this year... I can report that it is! My radio station's audio soundbite service has received cuts from Bobby Rydell and Chubby Checker commenting on the upcoming releases of the CD re-masters of the Cameo Parkway library. Chubby Checker's cut is particularly funny... he's a grouchy old cuss. He claims that he could care less about his music being released on CD. Oh well... If anyone would like mp3's of these Chubby and Rydell cuts, just e-mail me at DeepCoffee@yahoo.com, and I'll zap them back to ya! peace, Douglas From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 06 10:56:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19977 invoked from network); 6 May 2004 17:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2004 17:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2004 17:56:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2004 17:55:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 17:55:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1047 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Fwd: Trucking Bozo dropped from WWVA and WHAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radio-info.com.... while I don't recall hearing any produced in stereo, trucker's shows have been a staple of the nighttime AM clear channels for decades, and it is sad to see them gradually disappearing. Subject: Trucking Bozo dropped from WWVA and WHAM Posted by: Number_Six Posted on: 05/06/04 03:49 AM The Trucking Bozo show, arguably the second biggest late-night franchise behind Coast To Coast AM, seems to be losing affiliates. I have listened to this show for some time on its flagship station WLW (700 AM - Cincinnati), and more recently on XM. Recently the show's original host, Dale Sommers, retired, and he handed the reins over to his son, Steve Sommers. Tonight at about 4 AM, I was scanning the AM dial, and came across the bumper music for Coast To Coast AM on 1170 WWVA and 1180 WHAM, both of which had been Bozo affiliates. Could this be a vote of no confidence in the new regime? I went to the Trucking Bozo website (www.truckinbozo.com), and while WHAM is no longer listed as an affiliate, WWVA is. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu May 06 11:03:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97063 invoked from network); 6 May 2004 18:03:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2004 18:03:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2004 18:03:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2004 18:02:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 18:02:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 298 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: Fwd: Trucking Bozo dropped from WWVA and WHAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << while I don't recall hearing any produced in stereo, trucker's shows have been a staple of the nighttime AM clear channels for decades, and it is sad to see them gradually disappearing. >> I think the Midnight Cowboy, formerly of WBAP, was AM Stereo. Seems like he's on Sirius or XM now... From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu May 06 15:50:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7607 invoked from network); 6 May 2004 22:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2004 22:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (65.101.222.243) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2004 22:50:36 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.52] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 6 May 2004 16:33:29 -0600 Message-ID: <000b01c433bc$fe187360$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20040505165912.96041.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 17:53:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2004 22:33:29.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[27E1A750:01C433BA] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.101.222.243 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Junk or junque? Anything collectable in those stations? Even if it wasn't too well taken care of it still might be of interest. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > > 1300 WCKI 1000W Daytime with 500W PSA unused PSSA. Non-D in Greer, SC > Southern Gospel format > Note: Nice studio building and 1970s vintage lighted tower. most of the > equipment is 1960's vintage junk, including the CCA AM1000D transmitter. > > 1590 WABV 1000W Daytime 500W PSA 19W Night Abbeville, SC > Note: Been dark more than on the air in the past 20 years. Dark now. > Equipment is junk. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 06 17:48:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36459 invoked from network); 7 May 2004 00:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2004 00:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2004 00:48:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2004 00:48:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 00:48:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.4 Subject: Re: Fwd: Trucking Bozo dropped from WWVA and WHAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think the Midnight Cowboy, formerly of WBAP, was AM Stereo. > Seems like he's on Sirius or XM now... In their heyday as an AM Stereo "Real Country" affiliate, 1520 WWKB used to carry "The Road Gang", in mono. In the summer of '98, while visiting Nashville I stopped at 1510 WLAC and during my impromptu tour I got to see the studio in which "The Road Gang" was produced. It had the once-ubiquitous racks on the walls holding hundreds of carts. I presume they played newer music from CDs, but I bet for anything pre-'90s or so, they still played it from carts. (For the uninitiated, a "cart" is a tape cartridge, the same size as an 8-track tape, used by radio stations mostly to hold IDs, jingles, commercials, Public Service Announcements, and the like, but sometimes also for music, back when music was still obtained on vinyl or on reel-to-reel tape. Carts have been officially obsolete for almost a decade now, but a surprisingly high number of stations -- even major-market FM music stations -- still use them every day.) Anyway... I've heard that more and more truckers are getting XM or Sirius satellite radio -- sometimes even both -- so as time goes by we may hear less and less programming on AM radio that is aimed at them. And this is purely a matter of convenience for them, so probably no matter what terrestrial radio does to try to make itself more attractive, it's still going to lose out on the truckers, except for things like local weather and traffic reports. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 06 17:59:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95808 invoked from network); 7 May 2004 00:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2004 00:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2004 00:59:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2004 00:59:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 00:59:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c433bc$fe187360$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 711 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.4 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 1590 WABV 1000W Daytime 500W PSA 19W Night Abbeville, SC > Note: Been dark more than on the air in the past 20 years. Dark > now. Equipment is junk. Low power + top of the band + deteriorated ground system = lousy signal = few listeners = few advertisers = lack of revenue = station can't pay the bills = station goes off the air. It's really no wonder that these kind of stations are going dark, and if conversion to IBOC is eventually mandated, we may see hundreds of these "hometown" stations simply pack it up and turn in their license. And even while a mass de-cluttering of the AM band would be beneficial to the stations which do stay on the air, it still would truly be the end of an era. From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu May 06 18:11:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23046 invoked from network); 7 May 2004 01:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2004 01:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.122) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2004 01:11:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 May 2004 18:11:18 -0700 Received: from 172.136.92.182 by bay99-dav18.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 07 May 2004 01:11:17 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: , References: <20040506031829.26415.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:18:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2004 01:11:18.0017 (UTC) FILETIME=[334DD710:01C433D0] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.122 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.136.92.182] Subject: Re: {AMSF} WDRF then WSJW.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > It was WSJW when I worked there in the early 70's. It was WJKI when I was there in the early 90's. When I went to 250 Watts 2 hours before sunset, WLAC was playing in the radio in the GM's office. He came running out wondering why the station went off of the air. When he saw the meters up on the BC1G he nearly had a stroke. He had me to put on a long song and go listen to his office radio. Sure enough, WLAC was clear as a bell! Only the radio in the transmitter room had WJKI without any WLAC in it. He even had me to go to the tower and take a direct reading...yup, 250 Watts! Then, the GM had me to fire up the backup transmitter, the Vanguard 1. With the Vanguard on the air, even the transmitter room radio had WLAC in it. LOL It wasn't long after that, the sales manager quit, then the GM! People used to call all of the time on the morning show and ask why we were not on the air....when we were! The ONLY reason WSJW ever got a license is S.J. Workman was close friends with Strom Thurmond and got a bunch of strings pulled so he could say Woodruff had a radio station. Billboard Magazine, the owners of WLAC at the time, fought WSJW's license all the way up until they sold WLAC! I noticed that 1510 WDRF was deleted from the FCC database March 2, 2004. Wonder why Wayne Brown killed it? It appears that he didn't renew the license and then tried to renew it AFTER it was deleted! The death of WDRF was a mercy killing. It should have never been on the air to start with, but still it is a shame to see yet another AM bite the dust. Once upon a time, the station had good audio quality, even if you couldn't even hear it in the COL during the 4 hours of critical hours. There is no way in Hell you could ever put another 1510 in Woodruff. That one is gone for good. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu May 06 19:10:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42564 invoked from network); 7 May 2004 02:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2004 02:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.119) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2004 02:10:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 May 2004 19:10:19 -0700 Received: from 172.136.92.182 by bay99-dav15.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 07 May 2004 02:10:18 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 22:16:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2004 02:10:19.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[722079E0:01C433D8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.119 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.136.92.182] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: >And even while a mass de-cluttering of the AM band would be beneficial to the stations which do stay on the air, it still would truly be the end of an era. The thing is, the flood of stations going dark wouldn't help the AM band much. Most of these Class Ds that are dying are not even using their PSSA, if they have any, so when they go off of the air, the place on the dial is dead in the Daytime, yet still unlistenable at night due to the clutter. The best thing to do with these "peanut whistle" stations is to buy up a bunch of them on and around the same frequency, turn all but the centrally located one silent, and get a real power increase for the one station you save. WDRF 1510 is a prime example of what happens to a station that is too weak to even cover a *VERY* small town. Another radio station that is in the very same county, 1530 WASC has the same signal problem. You can't hear WASC in most of Spartanburg during Morning or evening rush due to WSAI Booming in on critical hours Skywave. Perhaps now with WDRF gone from 1510 and WTYN (Now WJFJ) moved off of 1520 to 1160, WASC could get rid of Critical Hours by moving down to 1520 and get PSA along with PSSA. That would also get them away from WSAI killing them in the AM drive. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu May 06 19:15:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36157 invoked from network); 7 May 2004 02:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2004 02:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2004 02:15:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 May 2004 19:15:53 -0700 Received: from 172.136.92.182 by bay99-dav3.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 07 May 2004 02:15:52 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 22:22:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2004 02:15:53.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[39007E70:01C433D9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.107 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.136.92.182] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: Trucking Bozo dropped from WWVA and WHAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T wrote: >In the summer of '98, while visiting Nashville I stopped at 1510 WLAC and during my impromptu tour I got to see the studio in which "The Road Gang" was produced. The Road Gang was at it's best when it was produced at 870 WWL and "Honest John Parker, The Used Car Salesman" was spinning the tunes on the weekend shift! I sure miss "Country Music The Way It Used To Was" and the Cajun music he used to play. Yup, at one time WWL was one FUN radio station to listen to! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu May 06 19:47:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14877 invoked from network); 7 May 2004 02:47:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2004 02:47:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2004 02:47:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 May 2004 19:47:51 -0700 Received: from 172.136.92.182 by bay99-dav9.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 07 May 2004 02:47:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040505165912.96041.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> <000b01c433bc$fe187360$d503fea9@home1> Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 22:53:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2004 02:47:51.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[B06F2700:01C433DD] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.113 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.136.92.182] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > Junk or junque? Anything collectable in those stations? When I say "junk", I am NOT talking about kewl old audio equipment by RCA, Gates, LPB, or anything of that nature. We are talking about vintage Low-End home audio stuff that is absolutely worn out. You know, Panasonic 7" reel decks with the capstan worn nearly in two and troughs worn into the heads. Realistic Cassette decks with an equal amount of use and abuse. Realistic Mixing consoles with noisey pots, BSR turntable preamps with more RF and noise than Audio....That sort of JUNK. The ONLY thing I know of that I would keep in WCKI is the CRL AM-4 Mono processing chain! NRSC is the only reason WCKI has that in the rack! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu May 06 23:11:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17484 invoked from network); 7 May 2004 06:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2004 06:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2004 06:11:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20040507061027.74989.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.81] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 May 2004 23:10:27 PDT Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 23:10:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <153900337-1463792638-1083892482@boing.topica.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.89 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: (AM Stereo) {AMSF} WDRF then WSJW.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > It was WJKI when I was there in the early 90's. When > I went to 250 Watts 2 > hours before sunset, WLAC was playing in the radio > in the GM's office. He > came running out wondering why the station went off > of the air. When he saw > the meters up on the BC1G he nearly had a stroke. He > had me to put on a long > song and go listen to his office radio. Sure enough, > WLAC was clear as a > bell! Only the radio in the transmitter room had > WJKI without any WLAC in > it. He even had me to go to the tower and take a > direct reading...yup, 250 > Watts! Then, the GM had me to fire up the backup > transmitter, the Vanguard > 1. With the Vanguard on the air, even the > transmitter room radio had WLAC in > it. LOL I'd never seen it that bad. WSAI 1530 eats up the Spartanburg, SC 1530 but not that bad. It's not always that bad at Woodruff. >> The ONLY reason WSJW ever got a license is S.J. > Workman was close friends > with Strom Thurmond and got a bunch of strings > pulled so he could say > Woodruff had a radio station. Billboard Magazine, > the owners of WLAC at the > time, fought WSJW's license all the way up until > they sold WLAC! And if you needed more money you could pick peaches in his Peach Orchards! > I noticed that 1510 WDRF was deleted from the FCC > database March 2, 2004. > Wonder why Wayne Brown killed it? It appears that he > didn't renew the > license and then tried to renew it AFTER it was > deleted! A lot of stations forgot. See below... > The death of WDRF was a mercy killing. It should > have never been on the air > to start with, but still it is a shame to see yet > another AM bite the dust. > Once upon a time, the station had good audio > quality, even if you couldn't > even hear it in the COL during the 4 hours of > critical hours. > There is no way in Hell you could ever put another > 1510 in Woodruff. That > one is gone for good. > > Kevin in Tampa I expect the FCC let him renew. Heck, there's a 1510 in Greensboro that decided (1) they didn't have to honor critical hours, and (2) not sign off at Sunset. I let Mike Gideon know, and he knew the GM of the group up there and he said he thought the PD of WEAL decided on himself to do that, and after a phone call everything was fine. I got me a cool VOLS / WLAC coffee cup for my efforts. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu May 06 23:13:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28743 invoked from network); 7 May 2004 06:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2004 06:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2004 06:13:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20040507061356.80212.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.81] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 May 2004 23:13:56 PDT Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 23:13:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.85 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin T. wrote: > Another radio station that is in the very same > county, 1530 WASC has the > same signal problem. You can't hear WASC in most of > Spartanburg during > Morning or evening rush due to WSAI Booming in on > critical hours Skywave. Yep > Perhaps now with WDRF gone from 1510 and WTYN (Now > WJFJ) moved off of 1520 > to 1160, WASC could get rid of Critical Hours by > moving down to 1520 and get > PSA along with PSSA. That would also get them away > from WSAI killing them in > the AM drive. > Kevin in Tampa WKMG in Newberry is on 1520. No critical hours. BUT WSAI's IBOC just KILLS the signal till you get WELL ( make this a bold flashing red WELL...) into the local primary coverage. If WLAC follows with IBOC all the 1520's in the East and South may as well all sign off. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri May 07 06:12:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12028 invoked from network); 7 May 2004 13:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2004 13:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2004 13:12:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20040507131229.43392.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 May 2004 06:12:29 PDT Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 06:12:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: 1560 Toledo rules? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Does anybody remember what the special conditions are for WTOD Toledo 1560? Isn't there is some stupid reason why they can't have pre or post sunset rules, and I think that it had something to do not with sunset time in NYC for Radio Ditzy WQEW, but more to do with sunset time in California??? effectively screwing WTOD with any hours other than Toledo daytime. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 07 10:20:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82643 invoked from network); 7 May 2004 17:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2004 17:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2004 17:20:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2004 17:17:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 17:17:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 178 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: OT: Nickelback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Radio stations have always joked about playing two songs at the same time... now, they may finally be able to do that: http://www.nintendorks.com/brandon/archives/000475.php From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 07 16:57:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55656 invoked from network); 7 May 2004 23:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2004 23:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2004 23:57:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2004 23:57:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 23:57:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040507131229.43392.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1138 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.16 Subject: Re: 1560 Toledo rules? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does anybody remember what the special conditions are for WTOD > Toledo 1560? Isn't there is some stupid reason why they can't have > pre or post sunset rules, and I think that it had something to do > not with sunset time in NYC for Radio Ditzy WQEW, but more to do > with sunset time in California??? effectively screwing WTOD with > any hours other than Toledo daytime. I dunno about WTOD, but WQEW stays on their daytime pattern until the local sunset time of KNZR in Bakersfield, CA. In the summer months, that can be as late as 11:00 PM in Eastern time. And that's good because WQEW's nighttime pattern is lousy -- it's 50 kW, but there's nulls all over the place and the selective fading makes it sound like a poorly received shortwave signal. But at about 30 miles to their West, I guess I'm in WQEW's "skip zone", where their own skywave signal is coming in and interfering with their groundwave signal. If I was closer to NYC, I'd be hearing WQEW exclusively on their groundwave signal, or if I was farther away, I'd be hearing them via skywave only, and in either case the reception quality would be better. From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri May 07 18:58:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67916 invoked from network); 8 May 2004 01:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2004 01:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.113) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2004 01:58:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 May 2004 18:58:01 -0700 Received: from 172.150.252.112 by bay99-dav9.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 08 May 2004 01:58:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040507131229.43392.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 21:30:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2004 01:58:01.0832 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4EBCE80:01C4349F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.113 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.150.252.112] Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1560 Toledo rules? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: > Does anybody remember what the special conditions are for WTOD Toledo 1560? > Isn't there is some stupid reason why they can't have pre or post sunset rules, They also have to protect WPAD 1560 kHz Paducah, Kentucky. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri May 07 19:11:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66954 invoked from network); 8 May 2004 02:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2004 02:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.111) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2004 02:11:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 May 2004 19:11:10 -0700 Received: from 172.150.252.112 by bay99-dav7.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 08 May 2004 02:11:09 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040507061027.74989.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 21:44:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2004 02:11:10.0334 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAE7A9E0:01C434A1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.111 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.150.252.112] Subject: Re: (AM Stereo) {AMSF} WDRF then WSJW.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > I'd never seen it that bad. WSAI 1530 eats up the Spartanburg, SC 1530 but not that bad. It's not always that bad at Woodruff. True, but on those cold, crisp January days, sometimes WLAC booms into Upstate South Carolina all day, and when critical hours hit, no more WDRF! In the Winter months, even on good days, you can forget about WDRF in critical hours past Patton's Pharmacy on the other end of Main Street. WSAI sure does a number on WASC on I-85 where EVERYBODY listens to the radio during morning rush. > > I got me a cool VOLS / WLAC coffee cup for my efforts. Yes, WLAC is pretty nice about such things now, but when Billboard had them, they were *VERY* militant about keeping 1510 as clear as they could. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 07 23:12:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86102 invoked from network); 8 May 2004 06:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2004 06:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2004 06:12:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2004 06:12:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 06:12:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 68.130.156.46 Subject: Re: (AM Stereo) {AMSF} WDRF then WSJW.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Yes, WLAC is pretty nice about such things now, but when Billboard > had them, they were *VERY* militant about keeping 1510 as clear as > they could. For years now, between WLAC and WWZN (Boston) on 1510, somebody's carrier is slightly off-frequency, causing an annoying fluttering effect whenever these two signals are both heard via skywave. This probably hurts WLAC's nighttime coverage more significantly than the mere presence of other co-channel signals would. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 08 09:45:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18973 invoked from network); 8 May 2004 16:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2004 16:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2004 16:45:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20040508164504.17060.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.121] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 May 2004 09:45:04 PDT Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 09:45:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.89 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: (AM Stereo) {AMSF} WDRF then WSJW.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > Yes, WLAC is pretty nice about such things now, > but when Billboard > > had them, they were *VERY* militant about keeping >> 1510 as clear as they could. And I don't blame them. When WEAL was cheating and they were (supposedly) 1000 watts they were killing WLAC into the local area, and WEAL was obliterating WLAC here in Columbia, SC > For years now, between WLAC and WWZN (Boston) on > 1510, somebody's > carrier is slightly off-frequency, causing an > annoying fluttering > effect whenever these two signals are both heard via > skywave. This > probably hurts WLAC's nighttime coverage more > significantly than the > mere presence of other co-channel signals would. I expect that is WWZN. It actually makes WLAC have a shimmering effect, and I only hear it when WWZN comes in at all. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat May 08 10:14:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31521 invoked from network); 8 May 2004 17:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2004 17:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.denverpcs.com) (65.101.222.243) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2004 17:14:26 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.82]) by ms1.denverpcs.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 8 May 2004 10:57:16 -0600 Message-ID: <001501c43520$60c89440$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 12:17:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2004 16:57:17.0341 (UTC) FILETIME=[84E91CD0:01C4351D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.101.222.243 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: (AM Stereo) {AMSF} WDRF then WSJW.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Doesn't take much- considering carrier tolerances are +/- 20 Hz, for one station to be +10 and another -5 makes a 15 Hz difference which would indeed be an annoying flutter, but still entirely legal for two stations on the same freq. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > For years now, between WLAC and WWZN (Boston) on 1510, somebody's > carrier is slightly off-frequency, causing an annoying fluttering > effect whenever these two signals are both heard via skywave. This > probably hurts WLAC's nighttime coverage more significantly than the > mere presence of other co-channel signals would. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat May 08 10:19:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54367 invoked from network); 8 May 2004 17:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2004 17:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.denverpcs.com) (65.101.222.243) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2004 17:19:20 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.82]) by ms1.denverpcs.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 8 May 2004 11:02:11 -0600 Message-ID: <002b01c43521$107c7000$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 12:22:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2004 17:02:12.0035 (UTC) FILETIME=[348FD930:01C4351E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.101.222.243 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: Spam Alert: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If anyone ever gets wind of these stations being deleted, please let me know. A lot of hams would love to get their hands on the transmitters. Been hoping to get a Gates Vanguard (1or 2) for my collection as well. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Low power + top of the band + deteriorated ground system = lousy > signal = few listeners = few advertisers = lack of revenue = station > can't pay the bills = station goes off the air. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 08 14:56:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54178 invoked from network); 8 May 2004 21:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2004 21:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2004 21:56:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2004 21:56:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 21:56:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c43520$60c89440$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1007 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.140 Subject: Re: (AM Stereo) {AMSF} WDRF then WSJW.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Doesn't take much- considering carrier tolerances are +/- 20 Hz, > for one station to be +10 and another -5 makes a 15 Hz difference > which would indeed be an annoying flutter, but still entirely legal > for two stations on the same freq. And this not only aggravates platform motion, it also makes nighttime AM band congestion seem much worse than it actually is. The fluttering itself is a form of destructive interference, especially on the "graveyard" channels. If all AM stations had their carrier frequencies locked to a universal standard, such as GPS, then this problem would be eliminated or at least largely reduced, and nighttime reception of both local and distant stations would sound a lot cleaner and more stable. This is perhaps the one _good_ thing about IBOC -- upon installation of the IBOC exciter, the station's carrier frequency becomes locked to GPS (although I presume if GPS goes down or is otherwise unavailable, it reverts to a conventional crystal oscillator). From oldphones@webtv.net Sat May 08 17:40:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69928 invoked from network); 9 May 2004 00:40:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2004 00:40:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2004 00:40:08 -0000 Received: from storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 6EB5112984; Sat, 8 May 2004 17:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id RAA01737; Sat, 8 May 2004 17:38:56 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR9XOyYmAeF3HIRkL9jfFrzxH0wkAIUdcDLMAEn479EVtRryOi2zZg7KBA= Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 19:38:56 -0500 To: ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <4569-409D7DA0-1145@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: RE: [ ABDX ] Air America chairman/vice chairman resign X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2nd try Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 08 18:11:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42627 invoked from network); 9 May 2004 01:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2004 01:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2004 01:11:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20040509011138.15927.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.95] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:11:38 PDT Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 18:11:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.89 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: AM frequency variances X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I went to WBCU, 1460 with a friend of mine to figure out why the STL was cutting out. We determined the antenna was messed up and an new one ordered. While there, my friend measured the frequency. It was 1460.0000000 ( !! ) The SX-1 there by the way, is a frequency agile model !! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w6yn@juno.com Sat May 08 18:29:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10199 invoked from network); 9 May 2004 01:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2004 01:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2004 01:29:02 -0000 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCeCIq4Y3r/rB8g+ube37o/M= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JU6C3TFU; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:28:37 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 18:27:35 -0700 Message-ID: <20040508.182735.1120.1.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: (AM Stereo) Fwd: RE: [ ABDX ] Air America chairman/vice chairman resign X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn She hates him because he is Irish-Catholic, right? --------------------------------------- Too bad Air America is falling apart, I can certainly sympathize with their situation. I don't have any special love for liberals, BUT they do have the need to have their view points aired. I had a older woman come into the electronics store I work at needing a range vent hood ( Yes, I can order them!) and She also asked about my XM Satellite radio display, said she likes talk radio. I mention ABC News and Talk (ch 124) with Sean Hannity!! Ooops!!!! She hates Hannity, so the discussion turns to Air America. Yes, Try XM channel 167 for Air America. Did I try to convert Her to Conservative Thoughts,,, Did I belittle her liberal beliefs, NO. Gave the CUSTOMER the Info she wanted. The way IT should be. Hopefully, She comes back and buys the XM radio. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun May 09 00:19:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1820 invoked from network); 9 May 2004 07:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2004 07:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2004 07:19:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2004 07:18:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 07:18:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040509011138.15927.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 572 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.140 Subject: Re: AM frequency variances X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > I went to WBCU, 1460 with a friend of mine to figure > out why the STL was cutting out. We determined the > antenna was messed up and an new one ordered. While > there, my friend measured the frequency. It was > 1460.0000000 ( !! ) The SX-1 there by the way, is a > frequency agile model !! How long did that reading take? That's down to 1/10,000th of a Hz precision, which means it would take 10,000 seconds -- or 2 hours and 46 minutes -- to get just one fully verified sample. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun May 09 00:30:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78990 invoked from network); 9 May 2004 07:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2004 07:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2004 07:30:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2004 07:30:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 07:30:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040508.182735.1120.1.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 730 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.140 Subject: Re: Air America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > She also asked about my XM Satellite radio display, said she likes > talk radio. I mention ABC News and Talk (ch 124) with Sean > Hannity!! Ooops!!!! She hates Hannity, so the discussion turns > to Air America. Yes, Try XM channel 167 for Air America. Ironically enough, when listening to Hannity on the AM Stereo signal of 1210 WPHT in Philadelphia, their audio is tilted slightly towards the Left channel. As for Air America, I could listen to it on 1190 WLIB, but I don't. Instead, I have three non-syndicated Liberal talk show hosts to choose from: Jack Ellery on 1450 WCTC, 'Citizen Smith' on 600 WICC, and Sam Greenfield on 1600 WWRL -- the former two in full AM Stereo, and the latter in Kahn Power-Side. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 09 02:08:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14233 invoked from network); 9 May 2004 09:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2004 09:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2004 09:08:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20040509090850.1330.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.101] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 May 2004 02:08:50 PDT Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 02:08:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.89 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM frequency variances X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > I went to WBCU, 1460 with a friend of mine to > figure > > out why the STL was cutting out. We determined the > > antenna was messed up and an new one ordered. > While > > there, my friend measured the frequency. It was > > 1460.0000000 ( !! ) The SX-1 there by the way, is > a > > frequency agile model !! > > How long did that reading take? That's down to > 1/10,000th of a Hz > precision, which means it would take 10,000 seconds > -- or 2 hours and > 46 minutes -- to get just one fully verified sample. I think I got carried away with the zero's. It took awhile for the frequency counter to lock in. It usually does. The Don Crain came in for some measurements and we had to move the transmitter off frequency 6 hertz for the measurements. And then moved back. I don't remember what the final reading was but the trimmer takes lots of turns. If I'm not coherent, I'm up checking mail and VERRRRY sleeeeeeepy. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From oldphones@webtv.net Sun May 09 08:56:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17055 invoked from network); 9 May 2004 15:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2004 15:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.194) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2004 15:56:02 -0000 Received: from storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 699E627A2E; Sun, 9 May 2004 08:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id IAA20258; Sun, 9 May 2004 08:43:33 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAjzqhdLxt8DzU3cJ/AjTfgjt4fMQCFQDEHMfWK/AtUyZo7V8LevZV2AEsyg== Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 10:43:33 -0500 To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <29502-409E51A5-1276@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Bossmsx@aol.com's message of Sun, 9 May 2004 10:46:12 EDT Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.194 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ ABDX ] FCC type approval of DAB radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could always Mail it OR Fed EX it back to your home from Canada provided that it is a legal option. International shipments are kinda of pain to do, Someone from Canada might know how this would be accomplished, Seems like Fed EX has worldwide service provided that the items isn't prohibited by treaty, or hazardous and the proper custom forms are filled out. People on E -Bay ship things internationally all the time.....legal or not. The FCC type acceptance, IMHO isn't worth two cents. There are plenty of "junk" radios on the market ( usually foreign made) that have just horrible reception and some how gets Uncle Charlie's approval. So I wouldn't worry about it too much.... Always check your radio for the Pope's blessing and the "Western Electric" Imprimatur!!! HA HA!! Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun May 09 16:51:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16844 invoked from network); 9 May 2004 23:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2004 23:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.111) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2004 23:51:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 9 May 2004 16:51:27 -0700 Received: from 172.160.215.183 by bay99-dav7.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 09 May 2004 23:51:27 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <002b01c43521$107c7000$d503fea9@home1> Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 19:51:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2004 23:51:27.0428 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B213840:01C43620] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.111 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.160.215.183] Subject: Re: Spam Alert: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > Been hoping to get a Gates Vanguard (1or 2) for my collection as well. Sorry, but the Vanguard at WDRF caught fire a couple of years ago and was replaced with a 1KW RF Cast transmitter. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun May 09 18:56:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48062 invoked from network); 10 May 2004 01:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2004 01:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41002.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.1) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2004 01:56:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20040510015625.7765.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.32.117] by web41002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 May 2004 18:56:25 PDT Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 18:56:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.1 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Thanks for the information guys! Now, does anyone know of a low loan rate? Jay __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon May 10 01:42:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77199 invoked from network); 10 May 2004 08:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2004 08:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2004 08:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.12.86 with login) by smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2004 08:42:26 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c4366a$28fcb5a0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 01:38:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.184 From: Subject: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang It seems like you can transmitt any mode of am stereo you want. There are KAHN IBS stations still on the air and FCC are'nt shutimg them down . So if some one wanted to go on the air with Harris or Magnavox thay could i gess. I gess FCC can care less about am stereo now!!!!! Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From redledge78@yahoo.com Mon May 10 12:24:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: redledge78@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55387 invoked from network); 10 May 2004 19:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2004 19:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2004 19:24:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2004 19:23:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 19:23:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c4366a$28fcb5a0$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 521 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "redledge78" X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59652447 X-Yahoo-Profile: redledge78 Hmmmm..... maybe they won't care about 100,000 watt powerhouses either. RL78 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang It seems like you can transmitt any mode of am stereo you want. There are KAHN IBS stations still on the air and FCC are'nt shutimg them down . So if some one wanted to go on the air with Harris or Magnavox thay could i gess. I gess FCC can care less about am stereo now!!!!! Thanks Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon May 10 18:08:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78359 invoked from network); 11 May 2004 01:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2004 01:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.denverpcs.com) (65.101.222.243) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2004 01:08:25 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.38.189]) by ms1.denverpcs.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 10 May 2004 18:51:12 -0600 Message-ID: <001601c436f4$ef9d4c80$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:11:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2004 00:51:13.0619 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F144A30:01C436F2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.101.222.243 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: (AM Stereo) {AMSF} WDRF then WSJW.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's one nice thing about the BE AS-10 exciter- it gives you a provision for an external oscillator, one that can even come from a GPS signal. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > If all AM stations had their carrier frequencies locked to a > universal standard, such as GPS, then this problem would be > eliminated or at least largely reduced, and nighttime reception of > both local and distant stations would sound a lot cleaner and more > stable. > > This is perhaps the one _good_ thing about IBOC -- upon installation > of the IBOC exciter, the station's carrier frequency becomes locked > to GPS (although I presume if GPS goes down or is otherwise > unavailable, it reverts to a conventional crystal oscillator). From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon May 10 18:12:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62303 invoked from network); 11 May 2004 01:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2004 01:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.denverpcs.com) (65.101.222.243) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2004 01:12:42 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.38.189]) by ms1.denverpcs.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 10 May 2004 18:55:29 -0600 Message-ID: <001c01c436f5$88e4cd00$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:16:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2004 00:55:30.0708 (UTC) FILETIME=[A850F540:01C436F2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.101.222.243 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Air America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Looks like they're going to belly-up. They were more interested in the big media blitz surrounding their launching than they were in a good business model. We only get Frankenfraud here, and is he ever BOOORRRIIINGGGG! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > As for Air America, I could listen to it on 1190 WLIB, but I don't. > Instead, I have three non-syndicated Liberal talk show hosts to > choose from: Jack Ellery on 1450 WCTC, 'Citizen Smith' on 600 WICC, > and Sam Greenfield on 1600 WWRL From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 10 19:40:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55503 invoked from network); 11 May 2004 02:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2004 02:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2004 02:40:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2004 02:39:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 02:39:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c436f4$ef9d4c80$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1106 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.13 Subject: Re: how to eliminate platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That's one nice thing about the BE AX-10 exciter- it gives you a > provision for an external oscillator, one that can even come from a > GPS signal. As Broadcast Electronics explained back in 1984: "For AM Stereo systems employing phase modulation, nighttime co-channel interference known as 'platform motion' can occur under some conditions. While this phenomenon occurs only in fringe areas where even mono reception is poor, there has been some concern about its presence. Platform motion is caused by co-channel stations having a slightly different station frequency due to the timebase employed. In AM Stereo, a rotational effect is created as the receiver decodes the frequency difference from one channel to another at a rate equal to the difference in frequency of the co-channel stations. Because the AX-10 is a digital modulation system deriving all station frequencies from one 10 MHz source, the master oscillator can be replaced with a reference source from WWV or some other standard. If all co-channel stations become frequency locked, platform motion is eliminated." From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue May 11 09:25:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69365 invoked from network); 11 May 2004 16:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2004 16:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2004 16:25:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2004 16:23:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:23:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1252 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: Re: how to eliminate platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Not totally. Problems also exsist due to propagation, unequal fading of sidebands, etc. This will cure one cause but it itn't the total save all for platform motion. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > As Broadcast Electronics explained back in 1984: > > "For AM Stereo systems employing phase modulation, nighttime > co-channel interference known as 'platform motion' can occur under > some conditions. While this phenomenon occurs only in fringe areas > where even mono reception is poor, there has been some concern about > its presence. Platform motion is caused by co-channel stations > having a slightly different station frequency due to the timebase > employed. In AM Stereo, a rotational effect is created as the > receiver decodes the frequency difference from one channel to another > at a rate equal to the difference in frequency of the co-channel > stations. Because the AX-10 is a digital modulation system deriving > all station frequencies from one 10 MHz source, the master oscillator > can be replaced with a reference source from WWV or some other > standard. If all co-channel stations become frequency locked, > platform motion is eliminated." From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue May 11 16:10:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8976 invoked from network); 11 May 2004 23:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2004 23:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2004 23:10:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20040511231044.16143.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.74] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2004 16:10:44 PDT Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:10:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: how to eliminate platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW ...or you can get everyone on your frequency to sign off.... Powell ( ducking) ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 11 16:37:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18018 invoked from network); 11 May 2004 23:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2004 23:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2004 23:37:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20040511233642.73996.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.23.149] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2004 16:36:42 PDT Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:36:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereo@smartgroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.145 From: "John P." Subject: A Truly Decent AM (stereo) Engineer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio http://www.theoaklandpress.com/stories/050704/mar_20040507011.shtml __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 11 17:35:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18167 invoked from network); 12 May 2004 00:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2004 00:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2004 00:34:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2004 00:34:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 00:34:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1046 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.131 Subject: Re: how to eliminate platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Not totally. Problems also exsist due to propagation, unequal > fading of sidebands, etc. This will cure one cause but it itn't the > total save all for platform motion. I would call that platform _instability_ -- a gradual 'wandering around' of the stereo image, often due to selective fading. OTOH, platform motion -- as a repeated side-to-side fluttering effect -- is almost exclusively caused by co-channel interference. Like B.E. explained, the difference between the two stations' carrier frequencies determines the beat rate of the platform motion -- or of the fluttering noise you even hear on mono receivers. If all stations' carriers were synchronized, this effect would be nearly eliminated, and the reduction in nighttime 'interference' levels would be immediately noticeable. It's like having a room with three or four clocks in it. If the clocks are all ticking at different intervals, the noise they create is more noticeable and more annoying than if you could synchronize them to all 'tick' exactly in unison. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed May 12 03:16:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87194 invoked from network); 12 May 2004 10:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2004 10:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2004 10:16:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2004 10:15:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:15:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 710 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.14.5 Subject: Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "redledge78" wrote: > Hmmmm..... maybe they won't care about 100,000 watt powerhouses > either. > > > RL78 > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang It seems like you can transmitt any mode of am stereo you > want. There are KAHN IBS stations still on the air and FCC are'nt > shutimg them down . So if some one wanted to go on the air with > Harris or Magnavox thay could i gess. I gess FCC can care less about > am stereo now!!!!! Thanks Jim Smith > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I kind of dout that. That would stomp on some stations. Jim Simth From dougharding@bellsouth.net Thu May 13 04:09:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95744 invoked from network); 13 May 2004 11:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2004 11:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2004 11:09:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2004 11:09:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:09:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 215 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 65.6.205.68 Subject: Denon TU680NAB AM Stereo Tuner on Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding There is a Denon TU680NAB AM Stereo/FM stereo tuner on ebay with buy it now for $395. They say it is in perfect condition. The Ebay item number is 3094212766. I have two of these and they are great wideband tuners. From krichards@wor710.com Thu May 13 10:00:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60469 invoked from network); 13 May 2004 17:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2004 17:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2004 17:00:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: krichards@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2004 16:59:35 -0000 X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95240 invoked from network); 13 May 2004 16:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2004 16:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2004 16:05:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2004 16:02:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:02:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1772 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.206.116 Subject: Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 May 2004 16:59:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 What are you NUTZ!!!???? It is illegal to operate anything other than C-Quam for Analog AM Stereo, that goes for those violators who think they can operate without the NRSC mask as well. Anyone found operating out of compliance by the FCC would be subject to a citation and possible fines. If you are found out of the mask or operating something on air with a pilot that is not C-Quam, you are in trouble. You could legally operate a Kahn Powerside in the Stereo mode, but without a pilot, but even this is a grey area. The bottom line is if you are caught look out.... I kinda think anyone doing this is in such a small market or so far out in the sticks the FCC has not caught up with them. Besides I do not see any Kahn radios out there right now, why bother? MY advice to anyone with a Powerside or Kahn STR exciter: Operate in the SSB mode legally if you need to, or just shut it off. PERIOD. Kerry.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "redledge78" > wrote: > > Hmmmm..... maybe they won't care about 100,000 watt powerhouses > > either. > > > > > > RL78 > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > Hi Gang It seems like you can transmitt any mode of am stereo > you > > want. There are KAHN IBS stations still on the air and FCC are'nt > > shutimg them down . So if some one wanted to go on the air with > > Harris or Magnavox thay could i gess. I gess FCC can care less > about > > am stereo now!!!!! Thanks Jim Smith > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > I kind of dout that. That would stomp on some stations. Jim Simth From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 13 10:13:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72161 invoked from network); 13 May 2004 17:13:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2004 17:13:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2004 17:13:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2004 17:12:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:12:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 976 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If you are found out of the mask or operating something on air with > a pilot that is not C-Quam, you are in trouble. You could legally > operate a Kahn Powerside in the Stereo mode, but without a pilot, > but even this is a grey area. Actually, the only rule is that if you're going to transmit stereophonic audio over an analog AM signal, it has to meet the C-Quam system specs. Kahn and the other systems -- with any pilot tone you want -- are perfectly fine, as long as they're not used to transmit stereo audio. So, you could even have a Magnavox AM Stereo exciter, with 5 Hz pilot tone, on the air -- as long as you only use it to transmit mono audio. Similarly, Kahn Power-Side -- with the 15 Hz pilot tone, if you like-- is fine, since it is not used to transmit stereo audio. > The bottom line is if you are caught look out.... Are you NUTZ!???? The _real_ bottom line is, has anybody ever been "caught" transmitting AM Stereo via a non-C-Quam system? From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu May 13 11:23:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53380 invoked from network); 13 May 2004 18:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2004 18:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2004 18:23:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20040513181603.31553.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.66] by web60104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:16:03 PDT Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:16:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.83 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU680NAB AM Stereo Tuner on Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- douglasharding wrote: > There is a Denon TU680NAB AM Stereo/FM stereo tuner > on ebay with buy > it now for $395. They say it is in perfect > condition. The Ebay item > number is 3094212766. I have two of these and they > are great wideband > tuners. You have 2 of them and they both work ?? Consider yourself EXCEPTIONALLY lucky. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu May 13 18:03:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59819 invoked from network); 14 May 2004 01:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2004 01:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (65.101.222.243) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2004 01:03:14 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.53.117] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 13 May 2004 18:45:45 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01c4394f$b973f340$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:06:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2004 00:45:46.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB666680:01C4394C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.101.222.243 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude When has the FCC fined anybody much of anything for something other than a tower marking or public file violation? There was a station down south that got hit really hard for not having anybody around at the main studio during business hours. They probably only found that out because they wanted to see if the public file was up to date. Some daytimer stations are signing on at full power too early and the FCC does nothing. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > The bottom line is if you are caught look out.... > > Are you NUTZ!???? > > The _real_ bottom line is, has anybody ever been "caught" transmitting > AM Stereo via a non-C-Quam system? From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu May 13 18:06:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81111 invoked from network); 14 May 2004 01:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2004 01:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2004 01:06:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2004 01:06:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 01:05:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2094 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 69.105.82.150 Subject: Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > What are you NUTZ!!!???? > > It is illegal to operate anything other than C-Quam for Analog AM > Stereo, that goes for those violators who think they can operate > without the NRSC mask as well. > > Anyone found operating out of compliance by the FCC would be subject > to a citation and possible fines. > > If you are found out of the mask or operating something on air with a > pilot that is not C-Quam, you are in trouble. You could legally > operate a Kahn Powerside in the Stereo mode, but without a pilot, but > even this is a grey area. > > The bottom line is if you are caught look out.... > > I kinda think anyone doing this is in such a small market or so far > out in the sticks the FCC has not caught up with them. Besides I do > not see any Kahn radios out there right now, why bother? > > MY advice to anyone with a Powerside or Kahn STR exciter: Operate in > the SSB mode legally if you need to, or just shut it off. PERIOD. > > Kerry.... > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "redledge78" > > > wrote: > > > Hmmmm..... maybe they won't care about 100,000 watt powerhouses > > > either. > > > > > > > > > RL78 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > Hi Gang It seems like you can transmitt any mode of am stereo > > you > > > want. There are KAHN IBS stations still on the air and FCC > are'nt > > > shutimg them down . So if some one wanted to go on the air with > > > Harris or Magnavox thay could i gess. I gess FCC can care less > > about > > > am stereo now!!!!! Thanks Jim Smith > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > I kind of dout that. That would stomp on some stations. Jim > Simth Hi Thay do'nt seem to be hunting them down. And i know that there is more than one station doing this. Jim Smith From jimbo@burgan.net Thu May 13 18:43:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53121 invoked from network); 14 May 2004 01:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2004 01:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2004 01:43:37 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4E1hTmx064337 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 19:43:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002601c43954$e000c740$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <000f01c4394f$b973f340$d503fea9@home1> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:41:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> Kevin T. wrote: >> The _real_ bottom line is, has anybody ever been "caught" transmitting >> AM Stereo via a non-C-Quam system? > Then Scott Todd replied: > When has the FCC fined anybody much of anything for something other than a > tower marking or public file violation? There was a station down south that > got hit really hard for not having anybody around at the main studio during > business hours. They probably only found that out because they wanted to > see if the public file was up to date. Some daytimer stations are signing > on at full power too early and the FCC does nothing. Such certainly appears to be the case. I know of very few FCC fines for stations other than public file, EAS or tower signage/painting/lighting violations. There is an AM station nearby that has not operated on it's night-time array or power for almost 5 years. They are licensed for 1KW Days/250 watts Night DA2 and they have been broadcasting 1KW omni 24/7 for the past 5 years. I know of a half dozen daytimers with microwattage at night here in Indiana that stay on daytime power 24/7 and I could name a dozen stations not complying with the NRSC mask "requirement". I know many of these have been reported yet nobody investigates. Yet if someone sends the FCC a tape of someone broadcasting with sexual content, the station now faces stiff fines (and the FCC seems to have the desire to prosecute all content violators). I hope Kerry doesn't think the Feds will actually go around monitoring AM stations broadcasting non-C-Quam stereo pilots or b'casting outside the NRSC mask... From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu May 13 18:47:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78123 invoked from network); 14 May 2004 01:47:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2004 01:47:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.121) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2004 01:47:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:47:33 -0700 Received: from 172.145.8.127 by bay99-dav17.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 14 May 2004 01:47:33 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 21:47:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2004 01:47:33.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CD70210:01C43955] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.121 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.145.8.127] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jimsmith95663 wrote: > Hi Thay do'nt seem to be hunting them down. And i know that there is more than one station doing this. I know of three Kahn ISB Stereo stations on the air, but if the FCC does bust them, the fine can be pretty drastic for unauthorized emissions. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu May 13 19:07:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9004 invoked from network); 14 May 2004 02:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2004 02:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2004 02:07:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 May 2004 19:06:39 -0700 Received: from 172.145.8.127 by bay99-dav8.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:06:39 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <000f01c4394f$b973f340$d503fea9@home1> <002601c43954$e000c740$6401a8c0@jimspc> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 22:06:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2004 02:06:39.0767 (UTC) FILETIME=[181CEA70:01C43958] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.112 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.145.8.127] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jim Burgan wrote: > I hope Kerry doesn't think the Feds will actually go around monitoring AM stations broadcasting non-C-Quam stereo pilots or b'casting outside the NRSC mask... It also depends on the market size. Here in Tampa, the FCC has been cracking down on Pirate stations almost as soon as they sign on the air, but I know of one FM pirate in Scott County, VA that has been on since 1982 when my grandfather moved there. The FCC takes spells of busting stations with overmodulation fines in Upstate, SC. What it all boils down to is FCC enforcement is spotty and selective...IOW, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Nobody listened to the people complaining about the indecent content of broadcasts until the Janet Jackson incident. Now that Congress is involved, the FCC is BBQing shock jocks. If Ibiquity was to tell the FCC that illegal Kahn ISB signals screw up the HD Radio digital carriers, you can bet the FCC would come down fast and HARD on the stations still using ISB Stereo. It would not matter if there was any truth about the interference or not! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 13 22:04:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51776 invoked from network); 14 May 2004 05:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2004 05:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2004 05:04:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2004 05:02:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 05:02:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 648 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.151 Subject: Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I know of three Kahn ISB Stereo stations on the air, but if the FCC > does bust them, the fine can be pretty drastic for unauthorized > emissions. Pretty soon, though, the FCC will be so caught up in complaints of interference from authorized nighttime IBOC emissions that a station using an unauthorized analog AM Stereo system won't even be worth their bother. FWIW, Leonard Kahn claimed the FCC that over 100 stations could be transmitting his AM Stereo system today "at the flick of a switch". And I bet at least that many stations do have Kahn AM Stereo exciters installed -- either dormant, or used to transmit a Power-Side signal. From dougharding@bellsouth.net Fri May 14 07:33:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29731 invoked from network); 14 May 2004 14:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2004 14:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2004 14:33:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2004 14:32:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:32:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040513181603.31553.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1089 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU680NAB AM Stereo Tuner on Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- douglasharding wrote: > > There is a Denon TU680NAB AM Stereo/FM stereo tuner > > on ebay with buy > > it now for $395. They say it is in perfect > > condition. The Ebay item > > number is 3094212766. I have two of these and they > > are great wideband > > tuners. > > > You have 2 of them and they both work ?? Consider > yourself EXCEPTIONALLY lucky. > > Powell > Actually Powell you are right because I bought both of them off Ebay, one for $275 and the other for $399 and they were both in mint condition and still work great. I know when they were first released there were problems with some of them but that was ten years ago and I would think that the bad ones are in the dumpster by now. I do consider myself lucky that the two I bought were from honest Ebayers who did not try to cheat me by selling me junk. I did get burned once on a Carver TX11a which I bought for $200 off ebay and was DOA. The seller disapeared and I ended up throwing it away. From krichards@wor710.com Fri May 14 08:27:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69077 invoked from network); 14 May 2004 15:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2004 15:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2004 15:27:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: krichards@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2004 15:25:36 -0000 X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83605 invoked from network); 14 May 2004 14:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2004 14:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2004 14:37:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2004 14:36:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:36:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2020 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.206.116 Subject: Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 May 2004 15:25:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 Does this mean that this all that's left of the Kahn equipment in the field? (100 stations) Most of it I've seen has been disconnected....As far as flipping a switch, it actually can do that but just like HD Radio, there are no radios to hear it....mmmm, 100 Kahn ISB stations. I wonder how many of those are actually on air in the Powerside mode. One other thing..that Kahn equipment has been in those racks rotting for some time now, I doubt much of it if activated would be very reliable. As it was when it worked there were always some problem. Plus the earlier units sounded like crap, and had problems connecting the audio chain into and out of the exciter. Plus then there's the issue of the NRSC curve in the older units where you have to export the signal out of the exciter into the Optimod in the matrix mode, then back into the exciter...what a pain. Leonards exciter was reasonably flat from DC to daylight....but then there was always some other problem, like the interface to the transmitter. One other thing...if you were running Kahn ISB or Kahn Stereo what would you possibly use for a legitimate modulation monitor? That was always another Kahn problem...that little Radio Shack receiver of Leonard's would not cut it in today's world. Kahn ISB operates well with a standard everyday monitor, but the accuracy is brought into question, unless, like the Belar series of older monitors you have it "tweaked". It would be nice if there was some definite proof that Powerside really works...instead of the sales pitch and mysterious claims made about Powerside operations by everyone from the manufacturer to those true believers. Kinda like going to church. Kerry..... Kevin said: > FWIW, Leonard Kahn claimed the FCC that over 100 stations could be > transmitting his AM Stereo system today "at the flick of a switch". > And I bet at least that many stations do have Kahn AM Stereo exciters > installed -- either dormant, or used to transmit a Power-Side signal. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 14 08:52:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23534 invoked from network); 14 May 2004 15:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2004 15:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2004 15:52:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2004 15:50:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 15:50:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 679 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > One other thing...if you were running Kahn ISB or Kahn Stereo what > would you possibly use for a legitimate modulation monitor? Kahn made several models of modulation monitors for his system, including the RF-01 (full height model) and the RF-02 (half height model). Whether or not any are still available from Kahn is another question. As of several years ago, WADO had both models in their rack: http://hawkins.pair.com/wado/wadoAUDIO.jpg The RF-02 is third from top on the left, and the RF-01 is below the Power-Side exciter on the right. WMCA also had an RF-01 in their rack during their days as a Power-Side station: http://hawkins.pair.com/wmca/wmca04.jpg From dav259@csiro.au Fri May 14 17:57:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8875 invoked from network); 15 May 2004 00:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2004 00:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2004 00:57:46 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4F0vgYs012761 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 10:57:43 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 10:57:42 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: IBOC update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 We don't hear much lately about IBOC. How is it generally being accepted in the US? Does the average person know that it exists? Are any IBOC radios selling OK? Are there any unbiassed reports of it sounding as good as it's supposed to (despite what it does to adjacent stations)? Is there any talk of DAB being embraced? And what ever happened to Motorola's symphony system? Are there any symphony radios on the market? Ian Melbourne From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri May 14 18:48:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93888 invoked from network); 15 May 2004 01:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2004 01:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2004 01:48:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 May 2004 18:48:35 -0700 Received: from 172.134.37.210 by bay99-dav4.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:48:35 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:16:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2004 01:48:35.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC6593E0:01C43A1E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.108 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.134.37.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kerry Richards wrote: > I wonder how many of those are actually on air in the Powerside mode. I would say very few. The only radios that can get any benefit from Powerside are analog sets or radios with selecable sideband reception. Powerside only causes distortion in most digitally tuned radios. The only real use I can see for Powerside is if there is a problem with a first adjacent. If both stations use Powerside, it can reduce the "monkey chatter" on each station from the other. > > Leonards exciter was reasonably flat from DC to daylight....but then there was always some other problem, like the interface to the transmitter. Ah yes, but that is just part of the "fun" of being a Kahn station. I never did understand why > >It would be nice if there was some definite proof that Powerside really works...instead of the sales pitch and mysterious claims made about Powerside operations by everyone from the manufacturer to those true believers. Powerside does work on a FEW stations, but for the most part only degrades the signal. > > Kinda like going to church. That is why I am Wiccan Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 14 20:17:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18342 invoked from network); 15 May 2004 03:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2004 03:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2004 03:17:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2004 03:17:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 03:17:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 145 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 68.130.158.141 Subject: 25-watt AM "Stereo" transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Claims to be a "Stereo AM" transmitter, but I only see a single audio input... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3095313189 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 14 20:21:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51746 invoked from network); 15 May 2004 03:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2004 03:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2004 03:21:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2004 03:20:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 03:20:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 94 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 68.130.158.141 Subject: 1941 AM transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Very old and very strange.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2243246901 From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat May 15 18:18:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61405 invoked from network); 16 May 2004 01:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2004 01:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (65.101.222.243) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2004 01:18:54 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.160] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 15 May 2004 19:20:23 -0600 Message-ID: <001701c43ae4$3f91f0e0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 20:22:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2004 01:20:24.0172 (UTC) FILETIME=[F68E3AC0:01C43AE3] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.101.222.243 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" > We don't hear much lately about IBOC. > > How is it generally being accepted in the US? Does the average person > know that it exists? Are any IBOC radios selling OK? There are a few radios available, none that are very inexpensive, but not all are megabucks either. The average person doesn't know it exists and they're not in the hands of too many that aren't radio engineers. > > Are there any unbiassed reports of it sounding as good as it's supposed > to (despite what it does to adjacent stations)? None that I'm aware of, though on FM I know first hand it does sound better in multipath-prone areas. You'll have to decide for yourself if the folks at WOR are leveling with us on MW results. Of those who heard demonstrations at the latest NAB, the general consensus is the new algorithm is much improved but still has noticeable artifacts. Whether they're tolerable varies by individual. > > Is there any talk of DAB being embraced? > On FM there is some; on MW it's less embrace and more brace for something that will be forced down our throats whether we want it or not. > And what ever happened to Motorola's symphony system? Are there any > symphony radios on the market? Don't I wish. Wonder what's taking so long? ST From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat May 15 18:24:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21206 invoked from network); 16 May 2004 01:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2004 01:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (65.101.222.243) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2004 01:24:42 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.160] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 15 May 2004 19:26:15 -0600 Message-ID: <001d01c43ae5$1163ee20$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 20:28:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2004 01:26:16.0058 (UTC) FILETIME=[C84BC5A0:01C43AE4] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.101.222.243 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: warning- gone OT- Re: {AMSF} Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually, Christianity is archaeologically and historically the best supported religion in the world; more than can be said for any pagan beliefs. I like what former Hindu Dr. Ravi Zacharias said [I may not get it word for word] "God has left enough evidence of His existence to make faith eminently reasonable, but not so much evidence that we can come to Him by reason alone." ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > > Kinda like going to church. > > That is why I am Wiccan From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 15 19:02:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72684 invoked from network); 16 May 2004 02:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2004 02:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2004 02:02:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2004 02:02:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 02:02:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c43ae4$3f91f0e0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4059 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 68.130.158.89 Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > And what ever happened to Motorola's symphony system? Are there > > any symphony radios on the market? > > Don't I wish. Wonder what's taking so long? Actually, I've heard that Motorola's Symphony chipset and Blaupunkt's TwinCeiver design are two different names for the same thing. Blaupunkt has been manufacturing car radios with DSP-based DigiCeiver tuners for a number of years now, of which TwinCeiver is the latest iteration. It uses the vehicle's regular antenna as well as a second antenna stuck onto the windshield, which feeds a second FM tuner circuit. But unlike conventional "diversity" FM tuners, which switch between either of the two tuners depending on which one has better reception, TwinCeiver takes the output of both tuners and phases them together to nearly eliminate multipath or 'picket fencing'. The second antenna is optional; without it installed, the radio operates the same as the single-antenna DigiCeiver series. And since the twin-antenna design is not used for AM reception, the TwinCeiver likely has the same AM band performance as the DigiCeiver series -- excellent reception, but not AM Stereo nor wide-bandwidth. Here is one review of a DigiCeiver radio: ============================== Just purchased a Blaupunkt DigiCeiver all digital receiver (CD70 Hamburg). Had a few observations. 1) The SHARX adaptive IF does work. Selectivity can be thru the roof when SHARX is on and it gives new meaning to fringe reception (I was parked listening to class A WBEA 101.7 some 85 miles from the transmitter with 1st adjacent WQCD 101.9 less than 5 miles away on a non-skip night). However, use it when only necessary since it can distort when trying to improve selectivity with narrow bandwidth. It also takes a little time for the SHARX to activate, so, after switching the SHARX IF on, it sometimes takes 5-10 seconds for the radio to sample and correct the situation. 2) In high RF areas, weaker station take a bit more of a hit on FM than on average FM auto receivers. But since sensitivity is better than most, this is just perceived as a little annoying "flutter". 3) With the SHARX adaptive IF off, you can off-tune a local and actually hear the subcarriers. I have never... never seen a radio do this and I'm not sure WHY it's doing this. It doesn't seem to affect reception and you don't hear any subcarrier artifacts when on-channel. It may be a factor of the digital front end... that's about all I can assume... 4) The FM is clean... C-L-E-A-N... with a low noise floor and multipath is greatly reduced (or corrected). It is also quite selective standing on its own without the SHARX (which is why you really only need the adaptive IF in worse case scenerios). I also like the fact that the blending and treble cut can be adjusted manually and you're not a slave to some factory preset. 5) The AM is narrowband... but highly selective and sensitive. Driving around NYC, you tend to hear images up and down the dial from all the 50kw'ers. This radio weeds them out quite nicely and is possibly the best performing AM I have ever seen in the car. Distant stations don't dissappear in high RF environments and some pea shooters are quite listenable in the metro area (it does take the radio a few seconds to sample and adjust it's sensitivity to the weaker signal). Nightime DX is very impressive and the AM noise supression works very well. The adaptive IF does nothing for the AM and seems to be an FM function. The FM is far and away the best I have ever heard. Audio quality is fantastic and, with the parametric EQ offered with the unit, it can approach CD quality (classical and lightly processed stations are breathtaking). If the AM was wideband, we'd really be talking here. I don't know what Motorola is doing with their Symphony chipset, but if it improves on this (and this is better than anything analog I've ever heard)... IMHO, it will be a formidable rival to IBOC. =Mike Erickson= ============================== From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sun May 16 18:33:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52329 invoked from network); 17 May 2004 01:33:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2004 01:33:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2004 01:33:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 May 2004 18:32:57 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by sea2-dav30.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 17 May 2004 01:32:56 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: , Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 21:33:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2004 01:32:57.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1D816C0:01C43BAE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.164.87 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: Motorola 1300 AMS Tx Manual Wanted or Copies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I am looking for Manual for (/\/\) 1300 CQuAM Tx. T.I.A., Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun May 16 19:53:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51120 invoked from network); 17 May 2004 02:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2004 02:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2004 02:53:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20040517025308.69330.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 May 2004 19:53:08 PDT Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 19:53:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.42 From: Michael and Ross Subject: SRF A100 on Ebay price X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you believe this???? ID 2243836629. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun May 16 21:29:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5824 invoked from network); 17 May 2004 04:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2004 04:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2004 04:29:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2004 04:29:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 04:29:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040517025308.69330.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 659 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 68.130.158.175 Subject: Re: SRF A100 on Ebay price X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Do you believe this???? ID 2243836629. Here's the direct link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2243836629 That's simply insane... but the winning bidder and the first runner-up both have 0 feedback, so who knows if the seller is actually going to receive payment or not. The same two guys are also currently bidding on the following two Sony SRF-42's, so we'll see if these auctions end with outrageous prices as well: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3095575301 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3096332447 From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon May 17 00:17:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94254 invoked from network); 17 May 2004 07:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2004 07:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2004 07:17:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20040517071723.17993.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.106] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 May 2004 00:17:23 PDT Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 00:17:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.86 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: It IS loud X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I fired up my new Alfredo Lite for the first time. It is VERY loud. Since the portable MD player runs on onl 1.5 volts I couldn't get enough drive in the line input on the mixer so I used microphone level and it was singing. It was way louder than ANY local signal. Now I have to come up with an antenna that gets me more than 50 feet range at night. I put it on 1000. WMVP wipes it out even here in SC. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From ccuff@in4web.com Mon May 17 00:46:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81583 invoked from network); 17 May 2004 07:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2004 07:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2004 07:46:38 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.28]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 03:47:40 -0400 Message-ID: <002e01c43be3$0c49e1c0$1cb50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 03:46:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF A100 on Ebay price X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know that Paul Crane is a member of this list. Not sure about the other person- But SRF-A100's come along enough that a bid this high is kinda unreal. It "will" shake the bushes, tho'... and that could be a good thing. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Mon May 17 04:58:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32914 invoked from network); 17 May 2004 11:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2004 11:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.167) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2004 11:58:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 May 2004 04:58:43 -0700 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 May 2004 11:58:43 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 07:58:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2004 11:58:43.0841 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D59AF10:01C43C06] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.167 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF A100 on Ebay price X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Yes, that was me upping the bid. I originally wasn't going to spend more than $50 then $100 and so on. I did have the high bid until the other person came around and upped it to $106.50 which I thought was overpriced. But, anyway, I wanted to see how high (s)he would go, however, I thought I had better stop. Even though what I did may have been stupid, I would have paid the price I committed myself to. While I'm here, Chris, do you have any assembled Alfredo Lite's available for sale? Please let me know offline. Thanks. In other unrelated news, I stopped by WHZZ 101.7/WILS 1320 (Lansing, MI) yesterday to take pictures and the station engineer happened to be in. According to him, WILS will never go AM stereo. However, he is the engineer for WXLA 1180 (Diamondale). They are in the process of changing towers and upgrading the transmitter. Up until the final changeover, they will remain in AM stereo. After the changeover, the AM stereo will be gone and the station will be IBOC-ready. Yet another loss. WHLY 1620 (South Bend, IN) is still mono. After emails with their station engineer, he hopes to be in stereo soon. Catch you all later and pardon my insanity. Paul Crane >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF A100 on Ebay price >Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 03:46:21 -0400 > >I know that Paul Crane is a member of this list. Not sure about the other >person- But SRF-A100's come along enough that a bid this high is kinda >unreal. It "will" shake the bushes, tho'... and that could be a good thing. >cc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin T. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Mon May 17 06:24:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22822 invoked from network); 17 May 2004 13:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2004 13:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.119) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2004 13:24:34 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.212.117.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.212.117] helo=earthlink.net) by bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BPi6B-0002vM-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 17 May 2004 06:24:08 -0700 Message-ID: <40A8BCFF.451A2492@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:24:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.119 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF A100 on Ebay price X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not sure of eBay's rules, but if the high bid turns out to be bogus, is it possible that eBay may still require that you honor your bid? Dick W. Paul Crane wrote: > Yes, that was me upping the bid. I originally wasn't going to spend more > than $50 then $100 and so on. I did have the high bid until the other > person came around and upped it to $106.50 which I thought was overpriced. > But, anyway, I wanted to see how high (s)he would go, however, I thought I > had better stop. Even though what I did may have been stupid, I would have > paid the price I committed myself to. > > While I'm here, Chris, do you have any assembled Alfredo Lite's available > for sale? Please let me know offline. Thanks. > > In other unrelated news, I stopped by WHZZ 101.7/WILS 1320 (Lansing, MI) > yesterday to take pictures and the station engineer happened to be in. > According to him, WILS will never go AM stereo. However, he is the engineer > for WXLA 1180 (Diamondale). They are in the process of changing towers and > upgrading the transmitter. Up until the final changeover, they will remain > in AM stereo. After the changeover, the AM stereo will be gone and the > station will be IBOC-ready. Yet another loss. > > WHLY 1620 (South Bend, IN) is still mono. After emails with their station > engineer, he hopes to be in stereo soon. > > Catch you all later and pardon my insanity. > > Paul Crane > > >From: "Chris Cuff" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF A100 on Ebay price > >Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 03:46:21 -0400 > > > >I know that Paul Crane is a member of this list. Not sure about the other > >person- But SRF-A100's come along enough that a bid this high is kinda > >unreal. It "will" shake the bushes, tho'... and that could be a good thing. > >cc > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kevin T. > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Mon May 17 06:43:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60572 invoked from network); 17 May 2004 13:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2004 13:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2004 13:43:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2004 13:42:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 13:42:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1658 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: Re: how to eliminate platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Don't care what you want to say it's still platform motion. It does occur and it is as annoying as 2 or more stations beating against each other especially when you get rapid shifts in fading. Try AM stereo on 75 meters when you're the only station on the frequency. We've done it and there is platform motion as signals go through changes in propagation. On the AM band both situations can happen and both are equally annoying. BE's explaination while correct it not a total fix. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Not totally. Problems also exsist due to propagation, unequal > > fading of sidebands, etc. This will cure one cause but it itn't the > > total save all for platform motion. > > I would call that platform _instability_ -- a gradual 'wandering > around' of the stereo image, often due to selective fading. OTOH, > platform motion -- as a repeated side-to-side fluttering effect -- > is almost exclusively caused by co-channel interference. > > Like B.E. explained, the difference between the two stations' carrier > frequencies determines the beat rate of the platform motion -- or of > the fluttering noise you even hear on mono receivers. If all > stations' carriers were synchronized, this effect would be nearly > eliminated, and the reduction in nighttime 'interference' levels > would be immediately noticeable. > > It's like having a room with three or four clocks in it. If the > clocks are all ticking at different intervals, the noise they create > is more noticeable and more annoying than if you could synchronize > them to all 'tick' exactly in unison. From ccuff@in4web.com Mon May 17 13:24:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49448 invoked from network); 17 May 2004 20:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2004 20:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2004 20:24:44 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.178.95]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 16:25:58 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c43c4c$fa1cf7c0$5fb20642@4bmx301> To: References: <40A8BCFF.451A2492@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 16:24:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF A100 on Ebay price X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope- Only the high bidder is obligated to buy. The second in line can be offered the auction, but is not legally bound once his bid is overtaken. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick W To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 9:24 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF A100 on Ebay price I am not sure of eBay's rules, but if the high bid turns out to be bogus, is it possible that eBay may still require that you honor your bid? Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Mon May 17 13:43:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34216 invoked from network); 17 May 2004 20:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2004 20:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.121) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2004 20:43:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 May 2004 13:43:28 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by sea2-dav17.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 17 May 2004 20:43:28 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: , Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 16:43:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2004 20:43:28.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BE5D430:01C43C4F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.164.121 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: (/\/\) 1300 CQuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Looks like i'm getting my hands on a 1300(Drooooooool!!!). I need copies of the manual for this exciter. Also info on how to hook it up and what different switches and functions are on it. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 17 18:56:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7417 invoked from network); 18 May 2004 01:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2004 01:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2004 01:56:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2004 01:54:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 01:54:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 870 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.4 Subject: Re: (/\/\) 1300 CQuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Looks like i'm getting my hands on a 1300(Drooooooool!!!). I need > copies of the manual for this exciter. Also info on how to hook it > up and what different switches and functions are on it. Good luck. I've been looking for a manual for my own B.E. AX-10 exciter. Supposedly you can still get one from B.E., but they want $70 for the manual! In particular, I'd like to know if the power level of its TX sample output can be adjusted. The TX sample output gives you a fully modulated C-Quam signal -- just the same as you'd get from an "Alfredo Lite". The Motorola exciters are claimed to have a TX sample output that puts out around 100 mW, but on my B.E., the signal is not even as strong as that of an Alfredo Lite, and definitely not as strong as my Panasonic AM Stereo generator running at full tilt (which I suspect is somewhere around 200 mW). From castellano105@yahoo.com Mon May 17 19:21:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50306 invoked from network); 18 May 2004 02:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2004 02:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2004 02:21:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2004 02:18:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 02:18:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 123 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 205.161.233.203 Subject: CPB Funds AM Research Program. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 The new program will allow AM Stations to undergo a review of operational condition and readiness for conversion to IBOC. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 17 22:47:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99428 invoked from network); 18 May 2004 05:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2004 05:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12822.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.203) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2004 05:47:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20040518054710.21007.qmail@web12822.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.81.4] by web12822.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 May 2004 22:47:10 PDT Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 22:47:10 -0700 (PDT) To: radio-tech@broadcast.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.174.203 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Quote of the Week X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics "Is it just my imagination, or does the FCC do something really stupid at least once a month? Maybe someone will go up to Uncle Mikey Powell and smack him over the head with a 2x4. That might knock some sense into him." -- Chris Allen, 5/18/2004 from http://musicradio.computer.net/wwwboard __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ From richard_clarke_au@yahoo.com Mon May 17 23:10:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: richard_clarke_au@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42715 invoked from network); 18 May 2004 06:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2004 06:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2004 06:10:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2004 06:09:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 06:09:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040517071723.17993.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 635 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "richard_clarke_au" X-Originating-IP: 144.137.4.234 Subject: Re: It IS loud X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=144350137 X-Yahoo-Profile: richard_clarke_au --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > I fired up my new Alfredo Lite for the first time. It > is VERY loud. Since the portable MD player runs on onl > 1.5 volts I couldn't get enough drive in the line > input on the mixer so I used microphone level and it > was singing. It was way louder than ANY local signal. > > Now I have to come up with an antenna that gets me > more than 50 feet range at night. I put it on 1000. > WMVP wipes it out even here in SC. > > Powell > > ===== > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw Any chance of getting a diagram and or pic of your antenna?? From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue May 18 08:35:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21238 invoked from network); 18 May 2004 15:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2004 15:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2004 15:35:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20040518153026.19659.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.72] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 May 2004 08:30:26 PDT Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:30:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.88 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: It IS loud X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- richard_clarke_au wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > I fired up my new Alfredo Lite for the first time. > It > > is VERY loud. Since the portable MD player runs on > onl > > 1.5 volts I couldn't get enough drive in the line > > input on the mixer so I used microphone level and > it > > was singing. It was way louder than ANY local > signal. > > > > Now I have to come up with an antenna that gets me > > more than 50 feet range at night. I put it on > 1000. > > WMVP wipes it out even here in SC. > > > > Powell > > > > ===== > > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > Any chance of getting a diagram and or pic of your > antenna?? I don't have a good one. I was using half of my 40 meter dipole... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue May 18 15:26:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30624 invoked from network); 18 May 2004 22:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2004 22:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2004 22:26:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2004 22:25:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 22:25:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 416 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 4.158.48.146 Subject: Re: (/\/\) 1300 CQuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > Looks like i'm getting my hands on a 1300(Drooooooool!!!). I need copies of > the manual for this exciter. Also info on how to hook it up and what > different switches and functions are on it. I've got a manual I can copy, but it's not entirely complete. Missing a schematic or two plus a few other pages. Scott Todd From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue May 18 15:43:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19191 invoked from network); 18 May 2004 22:43:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2004 22:43:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2004 22:43:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2004 22:41:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 22:41:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 450 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 4.158.48.146 Subject: {AMSF} Re: SRF A100 on Ebay price X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude When the old WXLA site goes dark, please consider asking him if they'd be interested in giving you the old AM stereo equipment. Scott Todd > he is the engineer > for WXLA 1180 (Diamondale). They are in the process of changing towers and > upgrading the transmitter. Up until the final changeover, they will remain > in AM stereo. After the changeover, the AM stereo will be gone and the > station will be IBOC-ready. Yet another loss. From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue May 18 16:26:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58273 invoked from network); 18 May 2004 23:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2004 23:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (65.101.222.243) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2004 23:26:43 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.79] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 18 May 2004 17:27:19 -0600 Message-ID: <002001c43d30$00289280$d503fea9@home1> To: Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 18:29:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2004 23:27:19.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA138620:01C43D2F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.101.222.243 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: lights out in Denver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone confirm that Crawford Broadcasting has turned off AM stereo at their Denver stations? Saw something on the CR-Tech group indicating they did. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Tue May 18 16:46:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41948 invoked from network); 18 May 2004 23:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2004 23:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2004 23:46:14 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4INkBYs028046 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 09:46:13 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:46:11 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <002001c43d30$00289280$d503fea9@home1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} lights out in Denver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 18 May 2004, Scott Todd wrote: > Can anyone confirm that Crawford Broadcasting has turned off AM > stereo at their Denver stations? Saw something on the CR-Tech group > indicating they did. It wouldn't be that much of a loss as Crawford seems to have dropped music and now has sports religion and conservative talk formats. It's a shame Legends KLZ is gone. From krichards@wor710.com Tue May 18 19:59:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68888 invoked from network); 19 May 2004 02:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2004 02:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2004 02:59:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: krichards@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2004 02:59:40 -0000 X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44660 invoked from network); 18 May 2004 16:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2004 16:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2004 16:21:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2004 16:20:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:20:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 412 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.206.116 Subject: Motorola manuals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 19 May 2004 02:59:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 I believe I have the Motorola manual for the 1300 Exciter and matching monitor. Also we've got the BE exciter manuals around here somewhere, got to find them. If Kevin has the time and a scanner I can send him the books, and he can copy them. Sorry, but we are so busy here I just do not have the time to make this happen, but I can help out if Kevin is willing to scan the pages. Kerry Richards WOR-AM From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 18 20:21:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27778 invoked from network); 19 May 2004 03:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2004 03:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2004 03:21:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2004 03:20:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 03:20:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001c43d30$00289280$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1006 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.2 Subject: Re: lights out in Denver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Can anyone confirm that Crawford Broadcasting has turned off > AM stereo at their Denver stations? Saw something on the CR-Tech > group indicating they did. I wouldn't be surprised, as Crawford is all gung-ho for IBOC. But they could at least keep the C-Quam going right up to the day the IBOC is installed and turned on at each station, just like WPEN in Philadelphia did -- and I think WPEN moved their C-Quam exciter to their backup transmitter, as once in a while they mysteriously return to full, glorious AM Stereo for a day or two, before resuming IBOC transmissions as usual. (Their DJs even seem to know when that is occuring -- when their C-Quam signal returns, so does their on-air IDs as "Stereo 95 AM", which they never use when transmitting IBOC.) But anyway, I'm pretty sure non-Crawford-owned Radio Disney on 1690 KADZ is still transmitting AM Stereo in the Denver area, and there's also a few Denver stations using Kahn Power-Side, too, if that counts for anything. :-) From groucho@skyweb.net Tue May 18 20:37:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43538 invoked from network); 19 May 2004 03:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2004 03:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2004 03:37:45 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i4J3YoL8023617 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:34:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <40AAD585.8050509@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 23:33:25 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola manuals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 I Believe I also have the manuals for the 1300 exciter and monitor... I just have to look for them at the site. since the 2 units are sitting on my workbench.. I was thinking of re-crystaling the units to a New frequency. Both are working. however I feel the Harris AMS stereo exciter that I have on the air is a better sounding and Easier unit to setup/align Kerry Richards wrote: >I believe I have the Motorola manual for the 1300 Exciter and >matching monitor. Also we've got the BE exciter manuals around here >somewhere, got to find them. > >If Kevin has the time and a scanner I can send him the books, and he >can copy them. > >Sorry, but we are so busy here I just do not have the time to make >this happen, but I can help out if Kevin is willing to scan the pages. > >Kerry Richards > >WOR-AM > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 18 22:02:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15670 invoked from network); 19 May 2004 05:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2004 05:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2004 05:02:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2004 05:00:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 05:00:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 375 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.2 Subject: 2 web sites X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Recent discoveries: Interesting scans from documents by Kahn and Delta, plus some audio samples: http://www.sillett.us.eu.org/radio/amstereo.html The UK's presentation on AM Stereo in 1990 -- including a close-up of a Philips car radio with AM Stereo that I've never seen before (it was probably just a prototype, though): http://www.vintagebroadcasting.org.uk/amst.htm From roy.sandgren@telia.com Wed May 19 08:05:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43253 invoked from network); 19 May 2004 15:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2004 15:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO av7-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net) (81.228.10.110) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2004 15:05:55 -0000 Received: by av7-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 87A5A37E60; Wed, 19 May 2004 17:05:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.183]) by av7-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755C637E42; Wed, 19 May 2004 17:05:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from roy (h155n2fls302o1101.telia.com [81.226.179.155]) by smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D22937E45; Wed, 19 May 2004 17:05:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000801c43db2$dfadd140$9bb3e251@roy> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 17:06:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.228.10.110 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: Tests 603 am X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit News Updated, The studio and transmitter are under installation. Antenna tuner comming up on friday. Antenna of longwire will be installated, start of work, startdate May 24, Monday. Tests perhaps Monday evening or Tuesday 25 erliest. Roy Sandgren Radio Scandinavia 603 AM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.688 / Virus Database: 449 - Release Date: 2004-05-18 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed May 19 10:33:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39771 invoked from network); 19 May 2004 17:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2004 17:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2004 17:33:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20040519173325.16753.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 May 2004 10:33:25 PDT Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:33:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.145 From: "John P." Subject: Scott Todd? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Scott Todd: Please contact me off list as your emails comeback undeliverable. Thanks, JP __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed May 19 11:51:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37099 invoked from network); 19 May 2004 18:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2004 18:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2004 18:51:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2004 18:51:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 18:51:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 422 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: lights out in Denver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee > I wouldn't be surprised, as Crawford is all gung-ho for IBOC. I recently e-mailed the engineer at KAAM-AM here in Dallas (a Crawford AM Stereo station), and unless something has changed, he didn't seem to think an IBOC conversion was going to in the budget anytime soon--if ever. Plus, KAAM is Adult Standards, so I doubt that demographic would be expected to rush out and buy IBOC capable receivers... heh-heh. From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Wed May 19 12:29:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86700 invoked from network); 19 May 2004 19:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2004 19:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2004 19:29:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 May 2004 12:29:56 -0700 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 May 2004 19:29:55 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 15:29:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2004 19:29:56.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA8F5680:01C43DD7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.76 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: Looks like another AM stereo to go :-( X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/base/news-15/1084934947319440.xml _________________________________________________________________ Best Restaurant Giveaway Ever! 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Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2004 22:23:22.0341 (UTC) FILETIME=[E51A7150:01C43DEF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.164.22 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (/\/\) 1300 CQuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd What ever you got. It will be more than I got now... Thanks, Reply to kc8gpd28 at nospam earthlink dot net "remove no spam" for my snail mail addy... Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Wed May 19 17:06:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13042 invoked from network); 20 May 2004 00:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2004 00:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.98) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2004 00:06:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 May 2004 17:06:20 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by sea2-dav41.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 20 May 2004 00:06:20 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 20:06:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2004 00:06:20.0724 (UTC) FILETIME=[47B4DF40:01C43DFE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.164.98 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola manuals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd You have the matching monitor? I'm interested. If you want to send me the manuals if kevin does not have time, i have a scanner and adobe pdf creator. Would you be willing to part with the monitor? Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 19 18:08:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87575 invoked from network); 20 May 2004 01:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2004 01:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2004 01:08:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2004 01:08:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 01:08:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 556 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.10 Subject: Re: Motorola manuals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You have the matching monitor? I'm interested. If you want to send > me the manuals if kevin does not have time, i have a scanner and > adobe pdf creator. Would you be willing to part with the monitor? I do have a scanner, but it is an old, clunky one connected to an old, clunky computer, so from the time I lay the paper down on the glass to the time I have a nice-looking JPG or GIF file as the finished result, it takes about 10 minutes to do one page. It's OK for small jobs, but not very efficient for scanning in a 300-page user's manual! From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu May 20 00:51:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57126 invoked from network); 20 May 2004 07:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2004 07:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2004 07:51:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2004 07:51:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 07:51:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 636 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.13.167 Subject: Re: Motorola manuals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > You have the matching monitor? I'm interested. If you want to send me the > manuals if kevin does not have time, i have a scanner and adobe pdf creator. > Would you be willing to part with the monitor? > > Thanks, > > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > Universal Life Ministries [ULC] > > 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo > 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! Hi Rev . Robert p. Chrsafis I have two scmatics for rf amps for the alfedo lite one is 5 watts and one is for 1 watt. If you want some copys of these e- mail me. Thanks Jim Smith From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu May 20 07:28:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29394 invoked from network); 20 May 2004 14:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2004 14:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2004 14:28:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2004 14:27:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:26:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 142 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Ando SS-100 ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee What's the scoop on the Ando SS-100 near the bottom of this link... anybody here have one? http://www.sillett.us.eu.org/radio/amstereo.html From ccuff@in4web.com Thu May 20 13:22:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75634 invoked from network); 20 May 2004 20:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2004 20:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2004 20:22:54 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.200]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:24:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c43ea8$31d22520$c8b30642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 16:22:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ando SS-100 ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Ando came from me. I had gotten a few of them from my friend Koji in Japan, and they went out to mostly other group members. It is a quirky little radio, using the Motorola MC13024 IC which has a 2 stage LED- dim lit for "in tune", then, if the stereo is present, the LED goes into high brightness. These radio would instantly drop out of stereo if they were touched or moved. Or sneezed at. But sound-wise, they are decent. Like their Sangean cousins, they are very poor to try to tune, and suffer from slipping dial cords. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: {AMSF} Ando SS-100 ??? What's the scoop on the Ando SS-100 near the bottom of this link... anybody here have one? http://www.sillett.us.eu.org/radio/amstereo.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 20 17:15:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7189 invoked from network); 21 May 2004 00:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2004 00:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2004 00:15:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2004 00:15:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 00:15:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c43ea8$31d22520$c8b30642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2091 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.17 Subject: Re: Ando SS-100 ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It is a quirky little radio, using the Motorola MC13024 IC which > has a 2 stage LED- dim lit for "in tune", then, if the stereo is > present, the LED goes into high brightness. Another oddity of the MC13024 is that it provides what is essentially AFC (Auto Frequency Control) on AM. If you get within 40 or 50 kHz of a strong signal, it will "lock onto" that signal, even without moving the tuning dial. For daytime listening, that is a pretty neat feature. But at night, with skywave signals, if the signal fades out below a certain threshold, the radio will lose its "lock" and will search for the nearest clear signal on the dial -- and will then lock onto that signal, even if it's a few channels away from the station you originally were listening to. And as Chris mentions, the MC13024 will drop to mono if the radio is physically disturbed, or sometimes even just for no reason at all. The chip can be modified to operate in Stereo mode all the time (forced stereo), though, which goes a long way to improve its performance. And unlike the other Motorola C-Quam chips, the MC13024 isn't just a decoder -- it is a complete AM Stereo _tuner_ chip. Add a few tuning coils and some other assorted components, and it makes a complete one-chip AM Stereo radio -- but that's AM _only_. If you also want FM, you have to take care of that separately. As for the Ando, it does sound good -- when it can stay locked onto an AM Stereo signal, that is. A fresh set of batteries seems to help it in that regard. If you're in the mood for some out-of-season Christmas music, file numbers 25 through 28 in this directory were recorded from an Ando SS-100 during WCTC's Xmas music programming: http://tinyurl.com/2g8av As you can hear, it handles single-channel bass surprisingly well, which is usually a weak spot for older AM Stereo decoder chips. The Ando uses a 4.5 kHz ceramic filter, but has only a gradual roll-off of the treble response, so with the help of a little EQ it delivers pleasantly clear mid-fidelity sound, similar to the Realistic TM-152. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 20 19:45:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33031 invoked from network); 21 May 2004 02:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2004 02:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12824.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.205) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2004 02:45:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20040521024512.99998.qmail@web12824.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.67.17] by web12824.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 May 2004 19:45:12 PDT Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:45:12 -0700 (PDT) To: radio-tech@broadcast.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.174.205 From: "Kevin T." Subject: RFI from flourescent lighting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I now know from experience that one of those energy-saving "7-year" compact flourescent light bulbs, which install in a regular light socket, will radiate a nice loud "RAZZZZ" across the AM dial to any radio within about 4 feet (1 meter) of the lamp. The interference doesn't seem to leak out through the AC lines, but any radio within that distance will be affected. The type of interference it generates is also more densely modulated than that of a conventional flourescent lamp. The flourescent fixture above my basement workshop radiates more of a 'crackling' type of noise, audible on a portable AM radio held within about 2 feet of its ballast. I guess such is life within the FCC Part 15 rules.... however, one interesting note is that conventional flourescent bulbs can be run on DC, in which case no radio interference is generated, as long as the power source feeding it is "clean". Somewhere in my back issues of "Electronics Now" magazine, they showed the schematic of a flourescent bulb wired to run on 120 VDC power (as found on submarines). Kevin T. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Subject: Ando SS-100 / SR66 Mods X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Does somebody have a link to how to make the modification to the Sangean SR-66 (or Ando SS-100) for the 'forced AM stereo mode'?? Thanks __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Fri May 21 09:04:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68440 invoked from network); 21 May 2004 16:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2004 16:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.193) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2004 16:04:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:04:06 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by sea2-dav58.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 21 May 2004 16:04:06 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:04:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2004 16:04:06.0418 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E57A720:01C43F4D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.164.193 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: Re: /\/\otorola /\/\anuals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hi all, I'm still waiting for one you guys to get back to me about loaning me a manual or making copies of them. I'm also waiting for the guy with the schematics for amp that works with the Alfedo to email me. I'm not sure if my last message went thru or not my email is kc8gpd28 at earthlink dot net. also the guy with the monitor for the 1300 i'm interested in it. my phone is 908-537-2094 Thanks, Ps: I saw a lot of replies to my message. I'm just not sure who had what. so please contact me directly. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From brian60420@yahoo.com Fri May 21 11:01:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82582 invoked from network); 21 May 2004 18:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2004 18:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2004 18:01:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2004 18:01:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:01:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2091 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "brian60420" X-Originating-IP: 208.24.179.207 Subject: A sweet setup for AM Stereo in the car X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Here's a story.....Let me share my setup to get AM Stereo in the car everyday. Where I live, the only way to get AM stereo programming is to listen to 890 AM WLS or 1300 Radio Disney. On 890, the only stereo programming I hear is either commercials (yuk), or bumper music (15 sec). You can tell if a program is local or syndicated just by listening to bumper music. Local is always in stereo. On 1300, the programming is all stereo, but after 50 times of hearing "holes" and endless kiddie music, the station wears on you. So I decided to purchase a Chris Cuff - Alfredo Lite resale. It's a 1550 kHz unit with rechargeable batteries. When I got it, I hoocked it up to a CD player and wrapped the antenna wire around the loop antenna of my Marantz SR-940. It sounds great for AM. Next I tried it on the rest of the collection. The Sony SRF-A100 sounded so good, I thought I was listening to the original source. Then I had my wife gave it a listen (not technical at all) and she said, "That's not AM radio". Finally, I thought it would sound just a good in the car, where I do most of my music listening. I wrapped the antenna wire (now extended) around the whip and plugged in the CD player. The car has a Ford F37F- 18C815-AE (with CD player and separate amplifier) which has AM Stereo. The stereo separation was unbelieveable! Now I listen to AM Stereo everyday on the way to and from work. I made some slight modifications to the Alf Lite like adding a 12V to 9V transformer (so I don't need batteries), changed the input source to XM radio and inserted the antenna wire directly into the Antenna input of the radio. As the final, "up-yours", to the "man", I disconnected the car antenna completely. I suffer from AM Stereo music withdrawl no longer. When was the last time you heard rock and roll on the AM dial? Rush (not the commentator), the Stones, The Boss? Clear channel can take over the world now for all I care. Now at least when someone gets in my car, I can say, "Hey, check out AM Stereo" and we can convert another. That's my story, brian From ccuff@in4web.com Fri May 21 14:49:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30607 invoked from network); 21 May 2004 21:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2004 21:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2004 21:49:29 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.152]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 17:50:55 -0400 Message-ID: <002201c43f7d$7c00b6e0$98b10642@4bmx301> To: References: <20040521133943.76779.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 17:49:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ando SS-100 / SR66 Mods X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 John- The MC13024 PDF file is in the "files" section of this list's home page. The hookup for forced stereo is in ther, I believe. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." To: Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: {AMSF} Ando SS-100 / SR66 Mods > Does somebody have a link to how to make the modification to the Sangean SR-66 > (or Ando SS-100) for the 'forced AM stereo mode'?? > Thanks From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 21 18:16:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64485 invoked from network); 22 May 2004 01:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2004 01:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2004 01:16:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2004 01:16:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 01:16:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 550 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.3 Subject: Where music on AM still thrives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics On Long Island, a few dozen miles East of New York City, a daytime- only AM station playing Adult Standards music is tied for second place in the ratings with an FM station playing Alternative Rock: http://radioandrecords.com/Subscribers/ratings/ratmain.asp?mkt=nsu 1100 WHLI has consistently done well over the years, even as other Long Island AM stations -- both music and talk -- have faultered. They're proof that with a decent signal and exceptional programming, there is no reason why a music format cannot be successful on an AM station. From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sat May 22 11:37:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16173 invoked from network); 22 May 2004 18:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2004 18:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.117) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2004 18:37:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 May 2004 11:37:58 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by sea2-dav13.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 22 May 2004 18:37:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:38:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2004 18:37:58.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7719AD0:01C4402B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.164.117 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: fs/ft; 50ft of rohn 25g tower (pick up only 08826) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have 50ft of rohn tower 2 top sections (one has what looks like a rotor plate) 3 mid sections all sections are 10ft. I will trade for a part 15.219 compliant transmitter or AMS Exciter. or $125.00 Cash Firm Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From dougharding@bellsouth.net Sat May 22 12:54:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79904 invoked from network); 22 May 2004 19:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2004 19:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2004 19:54:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2004 19:54:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 19:54:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 143 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 65.6.205.68 Subject: Fanfare FTA-100 AM stereo FM stereo Tuner on Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding There is a used Fanfare FTA-100 AM stereo FM stereo tuner on Ebay. The item number is 5700982743. The current price is up to $400 right now. From aalso@netzero.com Sat May 22 13:14:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62934 invoked from network); 22 May 2004 20:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2004 20:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2004 20:14:11 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([68.218.186.224]) by imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040522201411.TWSS17707.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Sat, 22 May 2004 16:14:11 -0400 Message-ID: <40AFB4A0.6030502@netzero.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 16:14:24 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1085217218.240.75131.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1085217218.240.75131.m12@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.72 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: A sweet setup for AM Stereo in the car X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr Brian, I really hate to tell you this, but just listening to the CD direct would work. there are many losses converting to AM Stereo and back. You must be a true diehard!! hehe I like AM stereo, but darn if I have the CD player there I'm going to listen to it if I want to hear a CD. Alan Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:01:37 -0000 From: "brian60420" Subject: A sweet setup for AM Stereo in the car Here's a story.....Let me share my setup to get AM Stereo in the car everyday. So I decided to purchase a Chris Cuff - Alfredo Lite resale. It's a 1550 kHz unit with rechargeable batteries. When I got it, I hoocked it up to a CD player and wrapped the antenna wire around the loop antenna of my Marantz SR-940. It sounds great for AM. Next I tried it on the rest of the collection. The Sony SRF-A100 sounded so good, I thought I was listening to the original source. Then I had my wife gave it a listen (not technical at all) and she said, "That's not AM radio". Finally, I thought it would sound just a good in the car, where I do most of my music listening. I wrapped the antenna wire (now extended) around the whip and plugged in the CD player. The car has a Ford F37F- 18C815-AE (with CD player and separate amplifier) which has AM Stereo. The stereo separation was unbelieveable! Now I listen to AM Stereo everyday on the way to and from work. I made some slight modifications to the Alf Lite like adding a 12V to 9V transformer (so I don't need batteries), changed the input source to XM radio and inserted the antenna wire directly into the Antenna input of the radio. As the final, "up-yours", to the "man", I disconnected the car antenna completely. I suffer from AM Stereo music withdrawl no longer. When was the last time you heard rock and roll on the AM dial? Rush (not the commentator), the Stones, The Boss? Clear channel can take over the world now for all I care. Now at least when someone gets in my car, I can say, "Hey, check out AM Stereo" and we can convert another. That's my story, brian From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 22 14:36:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7927 invoked from network); 22 May 2004 21:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2004 21:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12822.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.203) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2004 21:36:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20040522213609.41108.qmail@web12822.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.67.2] by web12822.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 May 2004 14:36:09 PDT Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:36:09 -0700 (PDT) To: radio-tech@broadcast.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.174.203 From: "Kevin T." Subject: I put my money where my mouth is X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Most people here know that I am a frequent critic of IBOC... but just for giggles, I put in a bid on this Panasonic "HD Radio" tuner on eBay, and to my surprise I grabbed it for less than a third of its $999.00 list price: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2479404720 So, once it arrives & I get it hooked up, the fun and games shall begin. :) Kevin T. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer From ccuff@in4web.com Sat May 22 14:42:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43011 invoked from network); 22 May 2004 21:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2004 21:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2004 21:42:51 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.170]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 22 May 2004 17:44:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c44045$aeda9c20$aab50642@4bmx301> To: References: <20040522213609.41108.qmail@web12822.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 17:42:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I put my money where my mouth is X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Be careful... this seller is brand new, with zero feedback.... cc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: ; Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 5:36 PM Subject: {AMSF} I put my money where my mouth is > Most people here know that I am a frequent critic of IBOC... but just for > giggles, I put in a bid on this Panasonic "HD Radio" tuner on eBay, and to > my surprise I grabbed it for less than a third of its $999.00 list price: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2479404720 > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 22 16:26:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65849 invoked from network); 22 May 2004 23:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2004 23:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2004 23:26:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2004 23:26:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 23:26:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c44045$aeda9c20$aab50642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 164 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.2 Subject: Re: I put my money where my mouth is X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Be careful... this seller is brand new, with zero feedback.... We'll see... hopefully the only rip-off will be the radio itself, not the person selling it. :-) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 22 18:44:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93573 invoked from network); 23 May 2004 01:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2004 01:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12826.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.207) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2004 01:44:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20040523014444.35421.qmail@web12826.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.82.9] by web12826.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 May 2004 18:44:44 PDT Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 18:44:44 -0700 (PDT) To: radio-tech@broadcast.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.174.207 From: "Kevin T." Subject: New IBOC audio samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics iBiquity has some new audio samples on their web site, for AM and FM IBOC: http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/hdradio_experience.htm I haven't listened to the FM samples yet, but the AM samples are what you would expect: IBOC digital stereo compared with the analog mono side of an AM IBOC signal, as heard on a narrowband receiver whose response cuts off sharply at 3.5 kHz (likely from a Kenwood HD Radio tuner switched into analog-only mode). And coincidentally enough, the AM IBOC artifacts are the most objectionable with the formats people are most likely to be listening to on AM -- Talk and Oldies. In fact, if they opened up the bandwidth a bit on the analog side of the Oldies sample, I bet most listeners would prefer it over the "cheese-grater treble" of the IBOC audio, because the music itself was originally recorded and mastered to sound the best on a typical AM radio. Meanwhile, with the Classical, Big Band, and Jazz samples, the IBOC audio sounds marginally acceptable to my ears... but who is listening to these music formats on AM? The former AM "Big Band" stations are now mostly playing '60s and '70s MOR music, and there are probably only a handful of Jazz and Classical stations on the AM band in the USA. The AM IBOC Oldies and Classical samples also contain brief drop-outs to mono, perhaps from the receiver momentarily switching from "Enhanced" to "Core" mode IBOC. Listeners used to complain about AM Stereo frequently dropping out to mono... now is that going to be a problem with IBOC too? Kevin T. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer From rwagoner@cox.net Sat May 22 20:24:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63507 invoked from network); 23 May 2004 03:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2004 03:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2004 03:24:03 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040523032359.RULF4153.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 22 May 2004 23:23:59 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 20:23:59 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20040523014444.35421.qmail@web12826.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.29 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} New IBOC audio samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner That's kid of the point of IBOC, if technical problems are fixed (or ignored) ... bringing music back to AM. On Saturday, May 22, 2004, at 06:44 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > Meanwhile, with the Classical, Big Band, and Jazz samples, the IBOC > audio > sounds marginally acceptable to my ears... but who is listening to > these > music formats on AM? From rwagoner@cox.net Sat May 22 20:29:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54283 invoked from network); 23 May 2004 03:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2004 03:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao07.cox.net) (68.230.241.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2004 03:29:10 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040523032523.NMZQ5462.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 22 May 2004 23:25:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 20:25:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.32 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} New IBOC audio samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OOPS! I meant KIND of the point. On Saturday, May 22, 2004, at 08:23 PM, Richard Wagoner wrote: > kid of the point of IBOC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun May 23 02:01:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49974 invoked from network); 23 May 2004 09:01:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2004 09:01:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41207.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2004 09:01:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20040523090111.6877.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 May 2004 02:01:11 PDT Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 02:01:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1085302425.1378.37316.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.40 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1206 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It will be interesting what it goes for .Some "millioneer" will purchase it:-) amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote:There are 9 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: Message: 2 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 19:54:13 -0000 From: "douglasharding" Subject: Fanfare FTA-100 AM stereo FM stereo Tuner on Ebay There is a used Fanfare FTA-100 AM stereo FM stereo tuner on Ebay. The item number is 5700982743. The current price is up to $400 right now. Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From roy.sandgren@telia.com Sun May 23 08:44:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18497 invoked from network); 23 May 2004 15:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2004 15:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO av1-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net) (81.228.10.115) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2004 15:44:21 -0000 Received: by av1-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 9A6BE37EB2; Sun, 23 May 2004 17:44:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.183]) by av1-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8511137E44; Sun, 23 May 2004 17:44:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from roy (h155n2fls302o1101.telia.com [81.226.179.155]) by smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A1E6337E55; Sun, 23 May 2004 17:44:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002a01c440dc$f1db9960$9bb3e251@roy> To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C5lands_F=F6retagaref=F6rening?= , "Ydun Ritz" , "Tesug" , "Stig Hartvig Nielsen" , "Stig Granfeldt" , "Sietse Brouwer" , "Ruud Poeze" , "RNI2020" , "Ray Anderson" , , , , "Paul Rusling" , "nisse" , , "Marek Andersson" , , , , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan_Sundstr=F6m?= , =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5kan_Widenstedt?= , , , , , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_St=F6dberg?= , "Christer Magnus Melkerson" , , "bjorn fransson" , , Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 17:45:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.228.10.115 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: Fw: Radio Scandinavia getting ready for test transmission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roy Sandgren=20 To: HCDX-feedback@hard-core-dx.com ; emwg@yahoogroups.com ; swedx@yahoogrou= ps.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: Re: Radio Scandinavia getting ready for test transmission Hello Radio Freaks, all wrong. I gott the licence from the begining in swedish. Mike Spencer popped up in the end of januari offering me tx, antennas and a= studio free of charge to my daytime show. I agreed, Mike wanted to air his programs in english from 1800UTC, free of = charge. We did not get permission to broadcast in english 1800UTC Now we got all on =C5land, except the ATU, wich arrived Saturday evening by= DHL, broken!!!!! Now we need new spares and parts to repair the ATU...... A longwire attached to a 60m mast at Lotsberget Mariehamn will be the QTH, = tx, atu and a mobile studio. It's a testsolution, now we need to repair the atu, only, then we are on ai= r, testing, testing 10-1000watts.............. The ship is comming in 4 weeks..... Roy Sandgren Radio Scandinavia 603 AM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.690 / Virus Database: 451 - Release Date: 2004-05-22 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From roy.sandgren@telia.com Sun May 23 10:15:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62336 invoked from network); 23 May 2004 17:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2004 17:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO av3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net) (81.228.9.110) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2004 17:15:42 -0000 Received: by av3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id F10C437E76; Sun, 23 May 2004 19:15:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp1-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp1-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.177]) by av3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E293537E45; Sun, 23 May 2004 19:15:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from roy (h155n2fls302o1101.telia.com [81.226.179.155]) by smtp1-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D79433802B; Sun, 23 May 2004 19:15:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001101c440e9$b7957700$9bb3e251@roy> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@smtp1-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:16:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.228.9.110 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: www.rni2020.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mike spenser tonigth at 1800 utc www.amradio.se http://www.rni2020.net/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aalso@netzero.com Mon May 24 02:56:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7695 invoked from network); 24 May 2004 09:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2004 09:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2004 09:56:04 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([68.218.186.224]) by imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040524095558.NLZX1774.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 05:55:58 -0400 Message-ID: <40B1C6BD.4020204@netzero.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 05:56:13 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1085388905.1292.53675.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1085388905.1292.53675.m12@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.70 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: WSOS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr For all interested, WSOS 1170 St. Augustine Beach Florida is back in Stereo as of this morning. It sounds very nice on my Kenwood C-quam reciver. Alan Alsobrook CE From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 24 09:14:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37990 invoked from network); 24 May 2004 16:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2004 16:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2004 16:14:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2004 16:14:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 16:14:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40B1C6BD.4020204@netzero.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 241 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: WSOS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > For all interested, > WSOS 1170 St. Augustine Beach Florida is back in Stereo as of this > morning. > It sounds very nice on my Kenwood C-quam reciver. > Alan Alsobrook CE Now, WSOS listeners can enjoy the Wonderful Sound Of Stereo. :-) From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Mon May 24 10:58:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86244 invoked from network); 24 May 2004 17:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2004 17:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.113) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2004 17:58:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 May 2004 10:56:52 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav9.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 24 May 2004 17:56:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:56:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2004 17:56:52.0083 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E3B7430:01C441B8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.113 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: Still l@@king for (/\/\)otorola Manuals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Still looking for (/\/\) 1300 AMS Exciter Manuals. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From aalso@netzero.com Tue May 25 03:15:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97355 invoked from network); 25 May 2004 10:15:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2004 10:15:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2004 10:15:26 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([68.218.186.224]) by imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040525101524.HXTX1774.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 06:15:24 -0400 Message-ID: <40B31CCB.2070406@netzero.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 06:15:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1085476656.2282.13079.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1085476656.2282.13079.m12@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.70 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1208 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr That is Again.. I was removed a short wile back due to What I thought was just an antenna problem. But after getting the antenna problem corrected and returning it to stereo I found out as I was woke back up (after an all nighter getting it going) to tell me it had crapped out. I just got back in from a second all nighter and it's working just fine at the moment, but it appears I have something intermittently causing the AMS-G1 to throw spurs. Provided it makes it through today I'll probably spend some more time with it tonight and see if I can't find out why it's acting so poorly. it Sounds great while it's working. Since i know you like to know were using a CRL Amigo, Harris AMS-G1, and a Harris SX-1 transmitter. This morning I place a Sony AM stereo (AVR-790 {I think}) receiver in the lobby of the radio station so everyone can hear it. I A/B it with the FM. it was quite impressive. If it will stay working I might pull some recording off the receiver when I get some free time. Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 16:14:04 -0000 > From: "Kevin T." >Subject: Re: WSOS > > > >>For all interested, >>WSOS 1170 St. Augustine Beach Florida is back in Stereo as of this >>morning. >>It sounds very nice on my Kenwood C-quam reciver. >>Alan Alsobrook CE >> >> > >Now, WSOS listeners can enjoy the Wonderful Sound Of Stereo. :-) > > > From brian60420@yahoo.com Tue May 25 07:51:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44618 invoked from network); 25 May 2004 14:50:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2004 14:50:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2004 14:50:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2004 14:50:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 14:50:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40AFB4A0.6030502@netzero.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 954 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "brian60420" X-Originating-IP: 207.43.195.202 Subject: Re: A sweet setup for AM Stereo in the car X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 I'm fully aware of the fact that I'm listening to AM Stereo on a receiver equiped with a CD player...... My whole point was that the big AMs in town won't play music. They just talk and play musical commercials every 5 minutes. That's not good enough for me to justify being a fan of AM Stereo. I need more music. I need MUSICRADIO WLS!!!!! brian --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Alan Alsobrook wrote: > Brian, > I really hate to tell you this, but just listening to the CD direct would work. there are many losses converting to AM Stereo and back. You must be a true diehard!! hehe I like AM stereo, but darn if I have the CD player there I'm going to listen to it if I want to hear a CD. > Alan > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:01:37 -0000 > From: "brian60420" > Subject: A sweet setup for AM Stereo in the car > > Here's a story.....Let me share my setup to get AM Stereo in the car > everyday. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 25 08:08:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93545 invoked from network); 25 May 2004 15:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2004 15:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2004 15:08:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2004 15:07:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:07:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 111 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Panasonic AM Stereo generator on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Looks decent... this is the C-Quam-only model: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3817351511 From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue May 25 08:16:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19474 invoked from network); 25 May 2004 15:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2004 15:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2004 15:16:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 May 2004 08:15:39 -0700 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 May 2004 15:15:39 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:15:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2004 15:15:39.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[236D3530:01C4426B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.72 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: A sweet setup for AM Stereo in the car X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Ah, yes. And don't forget Animal Stories with Ol' Uncle Lar and sidekick Little Tommy. Paul Crane >From: "brian60420" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: A sweet setup for AM Stereo in the car >Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 14:50:23 -0000 > >I'm fully aware of the fact that I'm listening to AM Stereo on a >receiver equiped with a CD player...... > >My whole point was that the big AMs in town won't play music. They >just talk and play musical commercials every 5 minutes. That's not >good enough for me to justify being a fan of AM Stereo. I need more >music. I need MUSICRADIO WLS!!!!! > >brian > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Alan Alsobrook >wrote: > > Brian, > > I really hate to tell you this, but just listening to the CD direct >would work. there are many losses converting to AM Stereo and back. >You must be a true diehard!! hehe I like AM stereo, but darn if I >have the CD player there I'm going to listen to it if I want to hear >a CD. > > Alan > > > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:01:37 -0000 > > From: "brian60420" > > Subject: A sweet setup for AM Stereo in the car > > > > Here's a story.....Let me share my setup to get AM Stereo in the >car > > everyday. > _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 26 07:59:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52878 invoked from network); 26 May 2004 14:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2004 14:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2004 14:59:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2004 14:57:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:57:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 105 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Sansui receiver on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Sansui multi-system AM Stereo receiver: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem2&item=5701617259 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 26 22:09:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27310 invoked from network); 27 May 2004 05:09:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2004 05:09:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2004 05:09:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2004 05:08:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 05:08:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 315 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.19 Subject: Re: Sansui receiver on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Sansui multi-system AM Stereo receiver: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem2&item=5701617259 Somehow an errant "2" got in there. Here is the correct link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5701617259 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 27 10:38:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93873 invoked from network); 27 May 2004 17:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2004 17:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2004 17:38:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2004 17:37:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:37:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1144 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Fwd: [RT] IBOC / DRM research project X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics [RT] IBOC / DRM research project Brian J. Henry radio-tech@broadcast.net Thu, 27 May 2004 08:15:25 -0700 I have decided to tackle what I think is an interesting research project. I want to determine if a high level plate modulated transmitter can be made to work acceptably with Ibiquity's HD Radio and Digital Radio Mondiale. I have a circa mid 1970s 1 kW Collins 820D-2 AM broadcast transmitter that I am restoring to original condition and specifications for the experiment. I am in need of a few parts for the 820D-2 and could use some help with that. I also need an AM stereo exciter and AM stereo modulation monitor that one of you might have gathering dust on a shelf somewhere. If I can acheive good AM stereo performance, I believe that there is a reasonable likelihood that it will work favorably in digital. Therefore, I feel that this is a good place to start. Any help, insight, and/or suggestions that you might have would be greatly appreciated!!! Please feel free to email me directly. Sincerely, Brian Henry Henry Communications 1414 Hill Avenue Napa, California 94559 (707) 226-5544 bhenry@saber.net From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Thu May 27 12:18:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32543 invoked from network); 27 May 2004 19:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2004 19:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2004 19:18:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2004 19:17:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:17:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 348 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: Re: Sansui receiver on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I actually bought Sansui's AM Stereo tuner when it came out then. It had this annoying un-switchable muting circuit that would shut the audio off if the signal wasn't strong enough. I wouldn't be surprised if this receiver does the same thing. Here is the correct link: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5701617259 From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu May 27 17:04:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66096 invoked from network); 28 May 2004 00:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2004 00:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2004 00:04:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2004 00:04:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 00:04:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 159 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: Sansui receiver on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee A pretty nice-looking Sansui S-X1130 sold for $35 last weekend. Seems like a good price: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5700349726&rd=1 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 27 19:06:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58323 invoked from network); 28 May 2004 02:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2004 02:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2004 02:06:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2004 02:05:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 02:05:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 201 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.4 Subject: AM is #1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the Arbitron ratings trends released over this past week, AM stations are in the #1 spot in Chicago, Detroit, Boston, San Diego, and San Francisco. Amplitude Modulation ain't dead yet, folks! From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu May 27 19:13:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74561 invoked from network); 28 May 2004 02:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2004 02:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2004 02:13:58 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040528021357011009kspoe>; Fri, 28 May 2004 02:13:57 +0000 To: Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:13:55 -0400 Message-ID: <003701c44459$70c45670$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.55 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM is #1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn In Boston, the #s 1 and 2 stations are now AM stations, at least in the last month anyway. Could this be the first time in probably 25 years or so that this has happened in any market? I do know that both of those stations are huge here. I listen to Sportsradio WEEI all the time in the car. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 10:06 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} AM is #1 From the Arbitron ratings trends released over this past week, AM stations are in the #1 spot in Chicago, Detroit, Boston, San Diego, and San Francisco. Amplitude Modulation ain't dead yet, folks! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu May 27 19:24:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47410 invoked from network); 28 May 2004 02:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2004 02:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2004 02:24:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2004 02:23:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 02:23:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c44459$70c45670$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 231 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM is #1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << Could this be the first time in probably 25 years or so that this has happened in any market? >> I've seen ratings books in the last two or three years with Chicago AM stations holding three out of the top four positions. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu May 27 19:50:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51750 invoked from network); 28 May 2004 02:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2004 02:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2004 02:50:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2004 02:49:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 02:49:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 422 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.12.171 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM is #1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > << Could this be the first time in probably 25 years or so that this has happened in > any market? >> > > I've seen ratings books in the last two or three years with Chicago AM stations > holding three out of the top four positions. Hi Gang That would be nice if thoughs stations would go C-QuAM . I know dream dream dream. Jim Smith From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu May 27 20:15:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11300 invoked from network); 28 May 2004 03:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2004 03:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2004 03:15:13 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040528025437012007hskte>; Fri, 28 May 2004 02:54:37 +0000 To: Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:54:35 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01c4445f$1f4f7760$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.56 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM is #1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Well WEEI is now broadcasting in stereo......but it's their simulcast on 103.7 FM in Rhode Island. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: jim smith [mailto:jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 10:50 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM is #1 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > << Could this be the first time in probably 25 years or so that this has happened in > any market? >> > > I've seen ratings books in the last two or three years with Chicago AM stations > holding three out of the top four positions. Hi Gang That would be nice if thoughs stations would go C-QuAM . I know dream dream dream. Jim Smith Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 28 00:03:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14044 invoked from network); 28 May 2004 07:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2004 07:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2004 07:03:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2004 07:03:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 07:03:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003a01c4445f$1f4f7760$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 441 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.4 Subject: Re: AM is #1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Well WEEI is now broadcasting in stereo......but it's their > simulcast on 103.7 FM in Rhode Island. Among the currently #1-rated major-market AM stations, 760 WJR in Detroit is proudly broadcasting in full AM Stereo, while 1030 WBZ in Boston and 720 WGN in Chicago both have an AM Stereo-equipped backup transmitter which is used from time to time. (Via their backup rig, WBZ was last heard in AM Stereo in January of this year.) From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri May 28 00:16:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 816 invoked from network); 28 May 2004 07:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2004 07:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2004 07:16:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2004 07:16:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 07:16:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2406 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.126.223.72 Subject: Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > Does this mean that this all that's left of the Kahn equipment in the > field? (100 stations) Most of it I've seen has been > disconnected....As far as flipping a switch, it actually can do that > but just like HD Radio, there are no radios to hear it....mmmm, 100 > Kahn ISB stations. > > I wonder how many of those are actually on air in the Powerside mode. > > One other thing..that Kahn equipment has been in those racks rotting > for some time now, I doubt much of it if activated would be very > reliable. As it was when it worked there were always some problem. > Plus the earlier units sounded like crap, and had problems connecting > the audio chain into and out of the exciter. > > Plus then there's the issue of the NRSC curve in the older units > where you have to export the signal out of the exciter into the > Optimod in the matrix mode, then back into the exciter...what a pain. > > Leonards exciter was reasonably flat from DC to daylight....but then > there was always some other problem, like the interface to the > transmitter. > > One other thing...if you were running Kahn ISB or Kahn Stereo what > would you possibly use for a legitimate modulation monitor? That was > always another Kahn problem...that little Radio Shack receiver of > Leonard's would not cut it in today's world. Kahn ISB operates well > with a standard everyday monitor, but the accuracy is brought into > question, unless, like the Belar series of older monitors you have > it "tweaked". > > It would be nice if there was some definite proof that Powerside > really works...instead of the sales pitch and mysterious claims made > about Powerside operations by everyone from the manufacturer to those > true believers. > > Kinda like going to church. > > > Kerry..... > > > > > > Kevin said: > > FWIW, Leonard Kahn claimed the FCC that over 100 stations could be > > transmitting his AM Stereo system today "at the flick of a switch". > > And I bet at least that many stations do have Kahn AM Stereo > exciters > > installed -- either dormant, or used to transmit a Power-Side > signal. Ummmm.... That i know of Radio Shack only sold C-QuAM radios. The Realistic TM 152 AM-AM STEREO TUNER useing the MC13020 chip. And the Sony SRF 42 FM STEREO AM STEREO Walkman. Jim Smith From dav259@csiro.au Fri May 28 02:08:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62212 invoked from network); 28 May 2004 09:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2004 09:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2004 09:08:53 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4S964Ys021840 for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 19:06:05 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 19:06:04 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM is #1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 28 May 2004, Kevin T. wrote: > From the Arbitron ratings trends released over this past week, AM > stations are in the #1 spot in Chicago, Detroit, Boston, San Diego, > and San Francisco. ... and Melbourne! where News/Talk 3AW broadcasts AM stereo (from a mono feed). :( From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 28 09:39:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13491 invoked from network); 28 May 2004 16:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2004 16:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2004 16:39:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2004 16:38:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 16:38:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 104 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Marantz SR-940 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Marantz SR-940 receiver with AM Stereo: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5702036688 From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri May 28 18:50:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73847 invoked from network); 29 May 2004 01:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2004 01:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.123) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2004 01:50:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 May 2004 18:50:35 -0700 Received: from 63.184.225.60 by bay99-dav19.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 29 May 2004 01:50:34 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 21:50:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2004 01:50:35.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[55520D80:01C4451F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.123 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [63.184.225.60] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jim smith wrote: > Ummmm.... That i know of Radio Shack only sold C-QuAM radios. The Realistic TM 152 AM-AM STEREO TUNER useing the MC13020 chip. And the Sony SRF 42 FM STEREO AM STEREO Walkman. Rat Shack also had a couple of AM Stereo Car radios that were made by Sherwood. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From KYA1260@mailcity.com Sat May 29 11:41:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@mailcity.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21457 invoked from network); 29 May 2004 18:41:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2004 18:41:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lycos.com) (209.202.220.140) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2004 18:41:41 -0000 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Sat, 29 May 2004 18:41:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 11:41:34 -0700 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 X-Sender-Ip: 209.142.45.138 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.202.220.140 X-eGroups-From: "Jay J. Arnold" From: "Jay J. Arnold" Reply-To: kya1260@lycos.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM is #1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=187168060 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Kevin, et al... I thought you should know that - although it simulcasts KVYN 99.3 - KVON 1440 in Napa, Calif., broadcasts "Jay Arnold's GoldVine" Saturday nights in AM Stereo (via BE stereo generator, I believe)... KVON is primarily "talk" 24/7, except from 7-midnight Saturdays PT... To my knowledge, there are only four "true AM stereo" stations left in Northern California: KVON, KABL Oakland at 960 kc (adult standards), KCTC Sacramento at 1320 (adult standards), and KPCO (I think) Quincy, CA, at 1370 kc (talk, last I heard). KDYA Vallejo at 1190, just lights up the stereo light with no apparent stereo characteristics... Being that Quincy is in the northern Sierras, it was funny that (at least in 1992, last time I was up there), the AM "talk" station was stereo, and its sister FM country music station was mono! Far as AM radio in San Farncisco is concerned, AM will always do well in "The City," because of the hilly terrain that limits FM coverage for many stations. The FMs on Mt San Bruno do well to the South Bay Area and poor to the North Bay, and vice-versa for those FMs on Mt. Sutro in SFO. A few years earlier, Stockton, CA (northern San Joaquin Valley floor) always had top ratings for AM, also - yet because of the stronger Sacramento and San Farncisco AM signals, none of the local AMs that aimed at mainstream audiences were in the Stockton Arbitron top-10!... You're right: AM ain't dead yet!! My mantra: I never left AM radio, but AM radio left me... Anyhow, that's my first message to the forum...thanks!! --Best, Jay Arnold --- What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Fri, 28 May 2004 02:05:54 From: "Kevin T." To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: From the Arbitron ratings trends released over this past week, AM stations are in the #1 spot in Chicago, Detroit, Boston, San Diego, and San Francisco. Amplitude Modulation ain't dead yet, folks! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sat May 29 11:57:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29564 invoked from network); 29 May 2004 18:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2004 18:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.207) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2004 18:57:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 May 2004 11:56:50 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by sea2-dav72.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 29 May 2004 18:56:49 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 14:57:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2004 18:56:50.0059 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2DBC5B0:01C445AE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.164.207 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: FA: Commercial AM PLL Broadcast Transmitter Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd FA: Commercial AM PLL Broadcast Transmitter Exciter....... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3818056348&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun May 30 19:06:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65901 invoked from network); 31 May 2004 02:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2004 02:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2004 02:06:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2004 02:06:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 02:06:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1002 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.8 Subject: OT: Beach Boys stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Can anyone suggest a good Beach Boys compilation which has their hit songs in stereo, where available? I have Capitol's "The Beach Boys 20 Good Vibrations - The Greatest Hits", but all of the songs on it except "Kokomo" are in mono.... even ones that I have heard played on the radio in stereo, such as "Surfer Girl" and "Catch a Wave". And on some of the tracks, I can even hear the sound fluttering from left to right slightly, as if they played a mono tape on a stereo machine... why didn't they sum the channels to mono, so at least the final CD track would sound cleaner? Seems like a sloppy re-mastering job to me -- which admittedly is all too common these days; even with all the 24-bit mastering and noise reduction techniques that are available today, sometimes an original 1980s CD release just sounds better, with superior dynamic range, no clipping distortion, and not so much EQ (you're not going to get low bass and high treble out of an early Beach Boys tune, anyway). From rwagoner@cox.net Sun May 30 20:11:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66015 invoked from network); 31 May 2004 03:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2004 03:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2004 03:11:21 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040531031027.BLXK7009.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 30 May 2004 23:10:27 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 20:10:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0F332E98-B2B0-11D8-B73C-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.37 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Beach Boys stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Isn't Endless Summer in stereo? On Sunday, May 30, 2004, at 07:06 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > Can anyone suggest a good Beach Boys compilation which has their hit > songs in stereo, where available?=A0 I have Capitol's "The Beach Boys > 20 Good Vibrations - The Greatest Hits", but all of the songs on it > except "Kokomo" are in mono.... even ones that I have heard played on > the radio in stereo, such as "Surfer Girl" and "Catch a Wave". > > And on some of the tracks, I can even hear the sound fluttering from > left to right slightly, as if they played a mono tape on a stereo > machine... why didn't they sum the channels to mono, so at least the > final CD track would sound cleaner?=A0 Seems like a sloppy re-mastering > job to me -- which admittedly is all too common these days; even with > all the 24-bit mastering and noise reduction techniques that are > available today, sometimes an original 1980s CD release just sounds > better, with superior dynamic range, no clipping distortion, and not > so much EQ (you're not going to get low bass and high treble out of > an early Beach Boys tune, anyway). > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KYA1260@mailcity.com Sun May 30 22:24:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@mailcity.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2139 invoked from network); 31 May 2004 05:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2004 05:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lycos.com) (209.202.220.140) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2004 05:24:53 -0000 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Mon, 31 May 2004 05:24:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 22:24:26 -0700 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 X-Sender-Ip: 209.142.45.138 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Length: 3326 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.202.220.140 X-eGroups-From: "Jay J. Arnold" From: "Jay J. Arnold" Reply-To: kya1260@lycos.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Beach Boys stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=187168060 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Some tracks are stereo on "Endless Summer," some are not... One Beach Boys CD that is all stereo, but has few hits, is the Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab (MFSL) gold CD from the early-1990s, a 2-LP-on-1-CD remastering of "Surfer Girl" and "Surfin' USA"... Another Beach Boys with some unique stereo that was released a few years back: "Endless Harmony" with a true stereo version of "California Girls" and a binaural stereo version of "Surfer Girl"... --jay --- What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Sun, 30 May 2004 20:10:24 From: Richard Wagoner To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: >Isn't Endless Summer in stereo? > >On Sunday, May 30, 2004, at 07:06 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > >> Can anyone suggest a good Beach Boys compilation which has their hit >> songs in stereo, where available?  I have Capitol's "The Beach Boys >> 20 Good Vibrations - The Greatest Hits", but all of the songs on it >> except "Kokomo" are in mono.... even ones that I have heard played on >> the radio in stereo, such as "Surfer Girl" and "Catch a Wave". >> >> And on some of the tracks, I can even hear the sound fluttering from >> left to right slightly, as if they played a mono tape on a stereo >> machine... why didn't they sum the channels to mono, so at least the >> final CD track would sound cleaner?  Seems like a sloppy re-mastering >> job to me -- which admittedly is all too common these days; even with >> all the 24-bit mastering and noise reduction techniques that are >> available today, sometimes an original 1980s CD release just sounds >> better, with superior dynamic range, no clipping distortion, and not >> so much EQ (you're not going to get low bass and high treble out of >> an early Beach Boys tune, anyway). >> >> >> >> >> Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> • To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ >>   >> • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>   >> • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >> > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From bratina501@msn.com Sun May 30 22:48:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19625 invoked from network); 31 May 2004 05:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2004 05:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2004 05:48:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2004 05:48:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 05:48:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.42 Subject: CKMX on Shortwave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 I found this while tuning around the 49 meter shortwave band CKMX is on 6.030 MHz as well as 1060 AM stereo. From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon May 31 08:02:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28449 invoked from network); 31 May 2004 15:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2004 15:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2004 15:02:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2004 15:02:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 15:02:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 136 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 209.86.5.5 Subject: Digital Radio Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 This is from the San Francisco Chronicle: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/05/31/BUGO76TLFU1.DTL From rwagoner@cox.net Mon May 31 10:38:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63327 invoked from network); 31 May 2004 17:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2004 17:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2004 17:38:38 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040531173041.ICLR26868.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 13:30:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 10:30:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3D7AFBB5-B328-11D8-951A-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.29 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Radio Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe digital could bring back The Big 610 as a top-40 station instead of stale oldies. (Just looking for anything positive) Richard On Monday, May 31, 2004, at 08:02 AM, tom_richard1980@yahoo.com wrote: > This is from the San Francisco Chronicle: > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/ > 2004/05/31/BUGO76TLFU1.DTL > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon May 31 14:03:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16689 invoked from network); 31 May 2004 21:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2004 21:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2004 21:03:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2004 21:03:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 21:03:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D7AFBB5-B328-11D8-951A-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 279 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 207.69.139.156 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Radio Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Would I love that... (KYA even more). Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Maybe digital could bring back The Big 610 as a top-40 station instead > of stale oldies. > > (Just looking for anything positive) > > Richard > > From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon May 31 19:58:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17245 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2004 02:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2004 02:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2004 02:57:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2004 02:57:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 02:57:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 754 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Tha Scoop: Beach Boys stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I found this site a few weeks back, and it is FULL of great info on finding the Beach Boys canon in CD stereo. The bad news is that no CD has all of it. But most of the double CD remasters from 2000 are stereo... so you can gather a ton of good Beach Boys stereo--remastered!--from those (and keep in mind that I Get Around, 409, Help Me Rhonda, and, of course Good Vibrations are always mono... Help Me Rhonda may show up in stereo one of these days, but not yet): http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/monostereo.html BTW... Brian Wilson has a CD due out in a month or so with contributions from Paul McCartney, Elton John, and Eric Clapton. There were a few gems on his last album "Imagination", so I'm getting excited about this next one. From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jun 01 03:12:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2888 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2004 10:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2004 10:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2004 10:12:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2004 10:11:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 10:11:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 561 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: 208.228.96.20 Subject: Cheap FM stereo transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Amazing what technology can do- I found a digital readout FM stereo transmitter at Wal-Mart for $33.00. (Belkin brand)made for broadcasting Ipods and other portables to your car radio. Coverage is the whole FM band, in .1 Mhz steps. It only has a 4 inch antenna wire built into the input cable, but an external antenna can be added- Pop off the back (1 screw) and add a wire to "TP8" and the distance coverage improves dramatically. (from about 6 feet to about 50 feet). Not AM, but for those interested it is a good and reasonably priced gadget. Chris From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jun 01 06:33:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7686 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2004 13:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2004 13:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2004 13:33:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20040601133330.21387.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 06:33:30 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 06:33:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: Some Beach Boy stereo music? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Doug mentioned Beach Boys songs in mono, don't we have one or two songs in stereo on MJR's top-secret Stereo Music 'board'? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Jun 01 06:55:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85309 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2004 13:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2004 13:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.123) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2004 13:55:31 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.236.89.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.236.89] helo=earthlink.net) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BV9jJ-0000SS-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 06:55:02 -0700 Message-ID: <40BC8AB7.4CD2B70C@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 09:55:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.123 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tha Scoop: Beach Boys stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The version of "Help Me Rhonda" on the Endless Summer album was slightly different from the the version that charted in the mid-60s. So another thing you have to watch out for is alternate versions that sound slightly different than the originals. Dick W. Douglas wrote: > I found this site a few weeks back, and it is FULL of great info on finding the Beach > Boys canon in CD stereo. The bad news is that no CD has all of it. But most of the > double CD remasters from 2000 are stereo... so you can gather a ton of good Beach > Boys stereo--remastered!--from those (and keep in mind that I Get Around, 409, > Help Me Rhonda, and, of course Good Vibrations are always mono... Help Me Rhonda > may show up in stereo one of these days, but not yet): > http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/monostereo.html > > BTW... Brian Wilson has a CD due out in a month or so with contributions from Paul > McCartney, Elton John, and Eric Clapton. There were a few gems on his last album > "Imagination", so I'm getting excited about this next one. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Jun 01 07:46:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60034 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2004 14:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2004 14:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2004 14:46:31 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040601143859.SNKU26868.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:38:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:38:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <40BC8AB7.4CD2B70C@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <6A617DAA-B3D9-11D8-951A-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.29 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tha Scoop: Beach Boys stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's putting it lightly. I was always told it was the stereo and/or album version. On Tuesday, June 1, 2004, at 06:55 AM, Dick W wrote: > The version of "Help Me Rhonda" on the Endless Summer album was > slightly different from > the the version that charted in the mid-60s. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jun 01 07:59:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96319 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2004 14:59:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2004 14:59:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2004 14:58:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2004 14:58:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:58:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 98 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: Tha Scoop: Beach Boys stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Why would anybody want those HORRIBLE stereo Beach Boys mixes? Come on, people! Use your ears! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 01 10:34:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19788 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2004 17:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2004 17:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2004 17:34:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2004 17:32:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:32:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 708 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: eBay finds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Marantz SR-940 receiver with AM Stereo: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5702036688 Kenwood KRC-8001 car radio with AM Stereo -- unusual features on this model include a signal strength meter, selectable auto-tune feature (if a signal fades out while listening, it will automatically seek to the next station), and switchable 9 or 10 kHz channel spacing (so it can be used anywhere in the world): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2480242554 Sony ST-JX220A tuner with multi-system AM Stereo -- Australian 240V model equipped for 9 kHz channel spacing (great for AM Stereo listeners in Europe as well): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5702254402 From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Jun 01 12:14:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29071 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2004 19:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2004 19:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2004 19:14:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2004 19:13:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 19:12:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6A617DAA-B3D9-11D8-951A-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 493 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Beach Boys stereo FYI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee As the page I linked to above mentions, you have to be careful about some of Capitol records vinyl offerings in the 60's. They would take a bunch of mono songs and convert them to something they called Duophonic Stereo. There were entire Beach Boys albums produced in this fake stereo. While you DO hear a weird sort of channel separation in Duophonic Stereo, the overall experience is like listening to a song being played from the other end of a long tunnel. Not very satisfying. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 01 17:01:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63632 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 00:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 00:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 00:01:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 00:01:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:01:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 708 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.130 Subject: Re: Beach Boys stereo FYI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > While you DO hear a weird sort of channel separation in Duophonic > Stereo, the overall experience is like listening to a song being > played from the other end of a long tunnel. Not very satisfying. Even worse, I have a DVD Audio sampler which contains the song "In The Summertime" by Mungo Jerry in simulated Dolby 5.1 Surround Sound! It doesn't contain any true separation, either side-to-side or front-to-back -- it's just like a fake stereo effect extended in two dimensions. Although interesting to listen to, it doesn't particularly make the song sound any better than it does in plain mono (I don't recall if a true stereo mix exists, as I haven't heard this song on the radio in ages). From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Jun 01 19:28:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55712 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 02:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 02:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 02:28:06 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i522S5jF032017 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:28:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002201c44849$3d3b1070$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:28:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Beach Boys stereo FYI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Kevin T wrote: > Even worse, I have a DVD Audio sampler which contains the song > "In The Summertime" by Mungo Jerry in simulated Dolby 5.1 Surround > Sound! It doesn't contain any true separation, either side-to-side > or front-to-back -- it's just like a fake stereo effect extended in > two dimensions. Although interesting to listen to, it doesn't > particularly make the song sound any better than it does in plain > mono (I don't recall if a true stereo mix exists, as I haven't heard > this song on the radio in ages). The version of "In The Summertime" on Rhino's "Super Hits Of The 70's- Have A Nice Day" Volume 3 is a great full-stereo mix. Great separation on backing instruments and the main vocals are in the right channel with the harmony in the left channel. The rhythmic "chhhpp chhhpp chhpp's" are in the left channel only. If you are interested in downloading an MP3 of it let me know and I'll put it on our station's FTP server. From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Wed Jun 02 05:05:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17083 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 12:05:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 12:05:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.122) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 12:05:25 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.212.141.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.212.141] helo=earthlink.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BVUUN-0005eQ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 05:05:00 -0700 Message-ID: <40BDC26F.58B2C44D@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:05:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <002201c44849$3d3b1070$6401a8c0@jimspc> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.122 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Beach Boys stereo FYI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree! I have that Rhino set, and that particular version of "In the Summertime" is fantastic for demonstrating stereo. Dick W. Jim Burgan wrote: > > Kevin T wrote: > > Even worse, I have a DVD Audio sampler which contains the song > > "In The Summertime" by Mungo Jerry in simulated Dolby 5.1 Surround > > Sound! It doesn't contain any true separation, either side-to-side > > or front-to-back -- it's just like a fake stereo effect extended in > > two dimensions. Although interesting to listen to, it doesn't > > particularly make the song sound any better than it does in plain > > mono (I don't recall if a true stereo mix exists, as I haven't heard > > this song on the radio in ages). > > The version of "In The Summertime" on Rhino's "Super Hits Of The 70's- Have > A Nice Day" Volume 3 is a great full-stereo mix. > Great separation on backing instruments and the main vocals are in the right > channel with the harmony in the left channel. > The rhythmic "chhhpp chhhpp chhpp's" are in the left channel only. > If you are interested in downloading an MP3 of it let me know and I'll put > it on our station's FTP server. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 02 07:40:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57894 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 14:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 14:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 14:40:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 14:38:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:38:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002201c44849$3d3b1070$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 742 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Beach Boys stereo FYI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The version of "In The Summertime" on Rhino's "Super Hits Of The > 70's- Have A Nice Day" Volume 3 is a great full-stereo mix. I do seem to recall hearing it on the radio in stereo, as it should be for a 1970 hit. So that makes it even more strange that the only true separation on my DVD-Audio sampler is the sound effect of a car (or motorcycle?) zooming from side to side, about halfway through the song. Then there's "Rock This Town" by the Stray Cats, which stands out on my "Pure '80s" compilation as the only song in mono. A usenet search revealed the comment that "All the versions of 'Rock This Town' ever released were only done in mono. For all I know, this 1982 hit might be the last 'Only Mono' major U.S. hit." From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Jun 02 07:42:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70687 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 14:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 14:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.97) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 14:42:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:41:47 -0700 Received: from 216.78.54.214 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:41:47 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:41:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2004 14:41:47.0761 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBA16610:01C448AF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.97 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [216.78.54.214] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Beach Boys stereo FYI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Mr. Burgan, I would be very interested!! Please put this item on your FTP site and let us know the address please. Thanks, MTGC (Michael) >From: "Jim Burgan" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Beach Boys stereo FYI >Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:28:05 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net >Received: from n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.106]) by >mc4-f4.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 >19:32:09 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.66.30] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun >2004 02:28:08 -0000 >Received: (qmail 55712 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 02:28:07 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >2 Jun 2004 02:28:07 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by >mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 02:28:06 -0000 >Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net >[68.76.221.134])(authenticated bits=0)by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) >with ESMTP id i522S5jF032017for ; Tue, 1 Jun >2004 20:28:06 -0600 (MDT) >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHfe7JXCK7aK9zYwXaRxlAH >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-4085512-17615-1086143287-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: <002201c44849$3d3b1070$6401a8c0@jimspc> >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 >X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-17615-1086143287-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2004 02:32:09.0288 (UTC) >FILETIME=[CDA08C80:01C44849] > > > Kevin T wrote: > > Even worse, I have a DVD Audio sampler which contains the song > > "In The Summertime" by Mungo Jerry in simulated Dolby 5.1 Surround > > Sound! It doesn't contain any true separation, either side-to-side > > or front-to-back -- it's just like a fake stereo effect extended in > > two dimensions. Although interesting to listen to, it doesn't > > particularly make the song sound any better than it does in plain > > mono (I don't recall if a true stereo mix exists, as I haven't heard > > this song on the radio in ages). > >The version of "In The Summertime" on Rhino's "Super Hits Of The 70's- >Have >A Nice Day" Volume 3 is a great full-stereo mix. >Great separation on backing instruments and the main vocals are in the >right >channel with the harmony in the left channel. >The rhythmic "chhhpp chhhpp chhpp's" are in the left channel only. >If you are interested in downloading an MP3 of it let me know and I'll put >it on our station's FTP server. > From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Jun 02 07:46:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27350 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 14:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 14:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 14:46:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 14:45:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:45:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 664 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: Cheap FM stereo transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee <> Hmmm... since my production room is right across the hall from my programming director's office... I could play a bit of a practical joke on him by interrupting his office radio with something WAY off our play list... and if I time it just right, I could "go on the air" with the same song that's ACTUALLY on our air... and THEN start segwaying into increasingly weird and weirder music. Better hit him with this on a non-grumpy day! From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Wed Jun 02 09:13:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28005 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 16:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 16:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.109) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 16:12:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:12:56 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by sea2-dav5.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 16:12:56 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:12:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2004 16:12:56.0417 (UTC) FILETIME=[77341510:01C448BC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.164.109 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: FA: (Relist) AM Broadcast Transmitter Exciter NR!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Didn't meet the reserve so I am relisting with NR!!!! and a low starting price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=296&item=3819430736&rd=1 Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 02 13:52:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7993 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 20:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 20:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 20:52:14 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.50]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:52:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c448e3$3a451b00$32b10642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:50:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Cheap FM stereo transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did this at work- The kids that work in the warehouse like a local hip hop station, and I over rode the signal with a tape of "Music of your Life"....... it was priceless. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Cheap FM stereo transmitter Hmmm... since my production room is right across the hall from my programming director's office... I could play a bit of a practical joke on him by interrupting his office radio with something WAY off our play list... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 02 15:36:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8237 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 22:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 22:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 22:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@69.104.34.189 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 22:31:37 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c448f0$d92d6bc0$d56bfea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:27:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.84 From: Subject: 2 ramsey transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I had saw thoughs little Ramsey transmitters and i was woundering if some one could take two of them and tune one to the uper side band and the other to the lower side band. So that way thay can make a parts 15 KAHN IBS AM STEREO signal .The Ramsey transmitters are a mono transmitter. Just cureus. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jun 02 18:16:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42525 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 01:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 01:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 01:16:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20040603011654.12368.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.75] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:16:54 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:16:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c448f0$d92d6bc0$d56bfea9@jimsmith> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2 ramsey transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW This would not work. They would beat with each other, and the Ramsey transmitters are not very stable, nor do they sound very good. Do NOT waste your money. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 02 18:30:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7103 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 01:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 01:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 01:30:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2004 01:29:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:29:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c448f0$d92d6bc0$d56bfea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 997 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.11 Subject: Re: 2 ramsey transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Hi Gang I had saw thoughs little Ramsey transmitters and i was > woundering if some one could take two of them and tune one to the > uper side band and the other to the lower side band. So that way > thay can make a parts 15 KAHN IBS AM STEREO signal .The Ramsey > transmitters are a mono transmitter. Just cureus. Jim Smith Two mono AM transmitters can be phased to produce a pure QUAM AM Stereo signal, but that would take quite a bit of modification. A single Ramsey AM-25 transmitter can be modified to produce an AM Stereo signal, however. Here is one Part 15 station that is using this setup: http://www.wa2fnq.hamradios.com/gli/1290gli1.htm Or, of course you could just operate the two AM mono transmitters on separate frequencies, and with two matching radios, use one signal for the Left channel and the other signal for the Right channel. With something like two GE Superadio III's, that would deliver fantastic sound, as long as both signals are received equally well. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 02 19:54:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77594 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 02:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 02:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 02:54:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2004 02:54:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 02:54:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 472 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.11 Subject: Gates Dual Limiter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I've seen plenty of Gates Sta-Level and Levil Devil limiters, but never one of these before: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3726903011 Nothing on it is specific to either AM or FM, but Gates limiters from this era were generally used by AM stations, so this very well might have been used by some of the experimental AM Stereo stations at the time (early to mid 1960s, I'd say, from its combination of vacuum tubes and printed circuit boards). From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 03 08:30:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75083 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 15:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 15:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 15:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.124.97.128 with login) by smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 15:29:48 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c4497f$16a36de0$d56bfea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:26:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.80 From: Subject: TM 152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I read some old post about the TM 152. Some poeple hated it some liked it am one the likes it but exsept one thing the interfeants is terable on it. I live with other poeple so when some one tuners on the tv and dvd player more than one of them it gets bad. So can some one help me with this. I changed the IF filter but it did not help. I put the IF filter out of a ruend Sony SFR A300. I can use some help please will ship. Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jun 03 09:59:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14211 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 16:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 16:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 16:59:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20040603165814.32637.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.20.153.111] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:58:14 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:58:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c4497f$16a36de0$d56bfea9@jimsmith> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} TM 152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang I read some old post about the TM 152. > Some poeple hated it some liked it am one the likes > it but exsept one thing the interfeants is terable > on it. Interfeants? WHAT on earth are you trying to say? I have no idea so I can't even think of anything. Mine works OK, but it certainly is NOT a DX machine. The Jeff Deck modified Yamaha I got from his works well, and I use the RS loop as there was not one supplied, which most likely is a GOOD thing. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Jun 03 10:06:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5912 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 17:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 17:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 17:06:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2004 17:06:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:06:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 216 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.7.84 Subject: OT: Aiwa recording walkmans ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Do Aiwa still produce recording (tape) walkmans in the states ? I have an Aiwa JX-879 (off ebay) which I wonder was only for the USA / Japan market ? Was this the last of the recording walkmans does anyone know ? From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Thu Jun 03 10:17:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35713 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 17:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 17:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 17:17:16 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 824FC5706B3 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A041F8EC57 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040603133043.02ab3ad8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:30:55 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040603165814.32637.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> References: <000c01c4497f$16a36de0$d56bfea9@jimsmith> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} TM 152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interference. John At 09:58 AM 6/3/2004 -0700, you wrote: >--- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: >> Hi Gang I read some old post about the TM 152. >> Some poeple hated it some liked it am one the likes >> it but exsept one thing the interfeants is terable >> on it. > > >Interfeants? > > >WHAT on earth are you trying to say? I have no idea so >I can't even think of anything. Mine works OK, but it >certainly is NOT a DX machine. The Jeff Deck modified >Yamaha I got from his works well, and I use the RS >loop as there was not one supplied, which most likely >is a GOOD thing. > > >Powell > >===== >powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jun 03 11:11:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77736 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 18:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 18:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 18:11:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20040603181135.72191.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.20.153.111] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:11:35 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:11:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040603133043.02ab3ad8@pop.GameBox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} TM 152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- John Holcomb II wrote: > Interference. > John *****OH***** Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 03 13:44:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12013 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 20:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 20:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 20:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@69.104.35.0 with login) by smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 20:44:15 -0000 Message-ID: <001a01c449ab$049dc420$d56bfea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:40:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.82 From: Subject: TM 152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Ok guys i will try agan. Every TM 152 sounded ok till the tv and dvd player gets turned on in the house. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 03 14:04:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51611 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 21:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 21:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.185) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 21:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@69.104.35.0 with login) by smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 21:04:12 -0000 Message-ID: <001601c449ad$ce24bae0$d56bfea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:00:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.185 From: Subject: Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI agan gang It was confermded by e mail that i was buying a HARRIS AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER for $177 out the door. Not from ebay. I have plans for a certan 610 kc in the bay area to return to am stereo. They are going to have to retune it from 1300kc to 610kc. And if thay don't want it than i will try KAHI AM 950 Auburn Ca And if thay don't want then i wll try KUBA AM 1600 Yuba City Marysville CA. I hape KFRC 610 am takes it though becuse the exciter maches Harris Gates 5 thay have. All the stations that i said are all music stations. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jun 03 14:40:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17068 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 21:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 21:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 21:39:59 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.4]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:40:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c449b3$1f6e1c20$04b40642@4bmx301> To: References: <001601c449ad$ce24bae0$d56bfea9@jimsmith> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:38:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, The problem you are going to run into is finding a station that is willing to pay for a stereo STL. When I was trying to do the same thing I was turned down by every station because the cost of a second line for stereo to the transmitter from the station was not justifiable. My last road trip was to Canada to CHNS, and it was a disaster. That was the end for me as far as trying to help radio stations. I DO hope you find a station that likes the idea, but don't bet the rent. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:00 PM Subject: {AMSF} Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER HI agan gang It was confermded by e mail that i was buying a HARRIS AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER for $177 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jun 03 14:41:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28958 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 21:41:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 21:41:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 21:41:39 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.4]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:43:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c449b3$85cd1480$04b40642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:41:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Aiwa recording walkmans ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Best bet is to keep looking for the HS-JX636- the last am stereo recording walkman from 1996. In 2000, Sony pulled the plug on all of Aiwa's innovative products, ended all am stereo, and reduced it to another Emerson or Memorex. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 1:06 PM Subject: {AMSF} OT: Aiwa recording walkmans ? Do Aiwa still produce recording (tape) walkmans in the states ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Thu Jun 03 15:08:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50763 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 22:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 22:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 22:08:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:08:09 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by sea2-dav48.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:08:08 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: <001601c449ad$ce24bae0$d56bfea9@jimsmith> <000501c449b3$1f6e1c20$04b40642@4bmx301> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:08:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2004 22:08:09.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[41055D90:01C449B7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.164.20 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hi Jim, Did you get my email about the RF linear Designs you mailed me? Also if you can't find a station willing to take the exciter, i'll buy it from you Next month. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" To: Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER > Jim, The problem you are going to run into is finding a station that is willing to pay for a stereo STL. When I was trying to do the same thing I was turned down by every station because the cost of a second line for stereo to the transmitter from the station was not justifiable. > My last road trip was to Canada to CHNS, and it was a disaster. That was the end for me as far as trying to help radio stations. I DO hope you find a station that likes the idea, but don't bet the rent. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net > To: am stereo forum > Cc: jim smith > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:00 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER > > > HI agan gang It was confermded by e mail that i was buying a HARRIS AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER for $177 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Thu Jun 03 15:17:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13295 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 22:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 22:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.98) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 22:17:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:17:00 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by sea2-dav41.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:17:00 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:17:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2004 22:17:00.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DF38D20:01C449B8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.164.98 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: My (/\/\) Exciter is in its new home!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Got my (/\/\) 1300 and got my manual on it way, but I still need a schematic of this exciter and the dip switch settings for the matching monitor as the guy says he does not have that part of the manual. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 03 16:34:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99712 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 23:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 23:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 23:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.123.99.150 with login) by smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 23:34:18 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c449c2$c4a5cda0$d56bfea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:30:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.186 From: Subject: am stereo exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang I hope that KFRC AM 610 still has there stereo stl still there. Thay where am stereo till 1999 or 2000 when thay change there transmitter to the Harris Gates 5 wich the exciter is a mach for it. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Jun 03 17:21:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28786 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 00:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 00:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 00:21:09 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i540IaIb013227 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:18:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <40BFBDC5.5090709@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:09:41 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <001601c449ad$ce24bae0$d56bfea9@jimsmith> <000501c449b3$1f6e1c20$04b40642@4bmx301> In-Reply-To: <000501c449b3$1f6e1c20$04b40642@4bmx301> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 If not Let Me know Im still looking for an AMS-1 backup..... BTW I do have a stereo STL LOL Neal....WTTM 1680 am stereo Chris Cuff wrote: >Jim, The problem you are going to run into is finding a station that is willing to pay for a stereo STL. When I was trying to do the same thing I was turned down by every station because the cost of a second line for stereo to the transmitter from the station was not justifiable. >My last road trip was to Canada to CHNS, and it was a disaster. That was the end for me as far as trying to help radio stations. I DO hope you find a station that likes the idea, but don't bet the rent. >Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net > To: am stereo forum > Cc: jim smith > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:00 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER > > > HI agan gang It was confermded by e mail that i was buying a HARRIS AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER for $177 > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Jun 03 18:51:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21750 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 01:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 01:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 01:51:28 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.202] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:51:25 -0600 Message-ID: <001d01c449d7$0eba4060$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <001a01c449ab$049dc420$d56bfea9@jimsmith> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:54:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2004 01:51:26.0647 (UTC) FILETIME=[72869C70:01C449D6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} TM 152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not much you can do- those things are hash generators to the max., UNLESS it's radiating out the power cord, then you can go to Shady O'Rack and get those rectangular ferrite things and wrap several turns around the power cord as close to the unit as possible. A tuneable loop might also help, though no guarantees. If you can get a hold of a tuning cap, it's easy to wind your own. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi Gang Ok guys i will try agan. Every TM 152 sounded ok till the tv and dvd player gets turned on in the house. Jim Smith From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Jun 03 18:58:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58289 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 01:58:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 01:58:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 01:58:22 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.202] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:58:17 -0600 Message-ID: <002701c449d8$044c7660$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <001601c449ad$ce24bae0$d56bfea9@jimsmith> <000501c449b3$1f6e1c20$04b40642@4bmx301> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:02:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2004 01:58:18.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[68155000:01C449D7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Even if the studios and transmitters are in the same building, do they still have a stereo processor? I know I couldn't get permission to install it at my stations. It would have to be entirely on the sly if I ever did, and most engineers won't risk getting fired over it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > Jim, The problem you are going to run into is finding a station that is willing to pay for a stereo STL. When I was trying to do the same thing I was turned down by every station because the cost of a second line for stereo to the transmitter from the station was not justifiable. From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Jun 03 19:12:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26823 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 02:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 02:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 02:12:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2004 02:12:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:12:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002701c449d8$044c7660$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1138 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 69.105.82.203 Subject: Re: Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Even if the studios and transmitters are in the same building, do they still > have a stereo processor? I know I couldn't get permission to install it at > my stations. It would have to be entirely on the sly if I ever did, and > most engineers won't risk getting fired over it. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Cuff" > > > Jim, The problem you are going to run into is finding a station that is > willing to pay for a stereo STL. When I was trying to do the same thing I > was turned down by every station because the cost of a second line for > stereo to the transmitter from the station was not justifiable. Hi Far as i know every thing is still there but i think that there old ams exciter when bad and thay could not fix it and it worked like crap far as i remember the stereo lite kept going on and off and sound kept makeing cliking noises funny woshing noises to. The enganeer is in compleat control there. He was a KAHN ISB man there untill they swicht to C-QUAM in 1988-89. jim smith From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 03 21:01:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13860 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 04:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 04:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 04:01:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2004 04:01:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:00:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c449b3$1f6e1c20$04b40642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1126 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.4 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Jim, The problem you are going to run into is finding a station > that is willing to pay for a stereo STL. When I was trying to do > the same thing I was turned down by every station because the cost > of a second line for stereo to the transmitter from the station was > not justifiable. If the STL has enough bandwidth, it can be multiplexed -- that is, an FM Stereo generator is used to carry both the L+R and L-R components on the single STL, and then a matching decoder at the transmitter site recovers the stereo audio. The AM Stereo station closest to me, 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick, NJ, has two STL lines, but their stereo audio is multiplexed onto one line, and the other is used for control signals and transmitter monitoring. There are also a decent number of smaller stations where the studio is right at the transmitter site, so there is no STL to worry about. That kind of station would be the easiest to upgrade to AM Stereo. And anyway, these stations have to remember... if they're ever going to use IBOC, then they're going to need a stereo STL anyway... so what are they complaining about? From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Jun 03 22:42:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23059 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 05:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 05:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 05:42:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2004 05:42:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 05:42:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.12.234 Subject: Re: Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Jim, The problem you are going to run into is finding a station > > that is willing to pay for a stereo STL. When I was trying to do > > the same thing I was turned down by every station because the cost > > of a second line for stereo to the transmitter from the station was > > not justifiable. > > If the STL has enough bandwidth, it can be multiplexed -- that is, an > FM Stereo generator is used to carry both the L+R and L-R components > on the single STL, and then a matching decoder at the transmitter > site recovers the stereo audio. > > The AM Stereo station closest to me, 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick, NJ, > has two STL lines, but their stereo audio is multiplexed onto one > line, and the other is used for control signals and transmitter > monitoring. > > There are also a decent number of smaller stations where the studio > is right at the transmitter site, so there is no STL to worry about. > That kind of station would be the easiest to upgrade to AM Stereo. > > And anyway, these stations have to remember... if they're ever going > to use IBOC, then they're going to need a stereo STL anyway... so > what are they complaining about? Hi Guys Like i said earlyer KFRC am 610 was am stereo from about early to mid 80's with KAHN IBS AM STEREO and then went to C-QUAM by the late 80's. The ohter ones have always been mono. Jim Smith From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jun 04 00:30:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22593 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 07:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 07:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 07:30:13 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.178.43]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 03:31:22 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c44a05$a384d560$2bb20642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 03:29:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the things that always got me, is why do they not use a computer at the transmitter site, and thereby only need one line for control? All the liners and music could be (actually, it IS) already on the HD. CC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Jun 04 02:48:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90771 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 09:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 09:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 09:48:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20040604094801.32232.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:48:01 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 02:48:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1086337714.404.91444.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.41 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1218 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The TV can interfer on all AM ie Often can tell the frequency the radio is on by its whistle or hetrodyne.ie 1250kHz here produces a low rumble without any squeeling but 1251kHz has a whine as well as a rumble and say 1008 has hardly any noise unless its right on the tv set wheres 1017 has a high pitch shrill even away from the tv. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote:There are 19 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. TM 152 Message: 1 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:26:05 -0700 From: Subject: TM 152 Hi Gang I read some old post about the TM 152. Some poeple hated it some liked it am one the likes it but exsept one thing the interfeants is terable on it. I live with other poeple so when some one tuners on the tv and dvd player more than one of them it gets bad. So can some one help me with this. I changed the IF filter but it did not help. I put the IF filter out of a ruend Sony SFR A300. I can use some help please will ship. Thanks Jim Smith === message truncated === Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Jun 04 06:45:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8208 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 13:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 13:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 13:45:19 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.107] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:44:34 -0600 Message-ID: <002501c44a3a$afc68c80$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <001401c44a05$a384d560$2bb20642@4bmx301> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:48:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2004 13:44:35.0284 (UTC) FILETIME=[128A7940:01C44A3A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not that it can't be done, but if the system crashes it's faster to reboot if you don't have to dial in and correct the problem remotely. Less dead air, IOW. As for these mono stations, I think you can forget it Jim. Even if studio and transmitter are co-located, you're looking at at a couple grand to upgrade the audio processor if they're fortunate enough to have an Orban 9100B. The only exception would be if they already have one of the new Omnia AM processors which are stereo. Even then you may find the audio chain needs extra wiring to make it stereo. Do they want to pay someone to do it or are you capable of doing it yourself? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > One of the things that always got me, is why do they not use a computer at the transmitter site, and thereby only need one line for control? All the liners and music could be (actually, it IS) already on the HD. From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Jun 04 06:47:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55711 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 13:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 13:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 13:47:36 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.107] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:47:34 -0600 Message-ID: <002d01c44a3b$1ad35580$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:51:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2004 13:47:34.0813 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D8C6CD0:01C44A3A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Possibly but not necessarily. Some will still be mono especially if the large majority of their programs are talk shows off the bird even though IBOC is inheritantly stereo capable. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > And anyway, these stations have to remember... if they're ever going > to use IBOC, then they're going to need a stereo STL anyway... so > what are they complaining about? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 04 07:20:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30649 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 14:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 14:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 14:20:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2004 14:19:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 14:19:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 381 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: My (/\/\) Exciter is in its new home!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Got my (/\/\) 1300 and got my manual on it way, but I still need a > schematic of this exciter and the dip switch settings for the > matching monitor as the guy says he does not have that part of the > manual. We have the DIP switch settings for the Motorola C-Quam modulation monitor in the group's Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/stations/ From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Fri Jun 04 07:31:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74137 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 14:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 14:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 14:31:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:31:19 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by sea2-dav23.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 14:31:18 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:31:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2004 14:31:19.0137 (UTC) FILETIME=[99C47D10:01C44A40] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.164.80 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: My (/\/\) Exciter is in its new home!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Anybody have a matching stereo monitor for the (/\/\) 1300 that they would be willing to part with? Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: My (/\/\) Exciter is in its new home!!!!! > > Got my (/\/\) 1300 and got my manual on it way, but I still need a > > schematic of this exciter and the dip switch settings for the > > matching monitor as the guy says he does not have that part of the > > manual. > > We have the DIP switch settings for the Motorola C-Quam modulation > monitor in the group's Files section: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/stations/ > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 04 07:31:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76672 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 14:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 14:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 14:31:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2004 14:30:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 14:30:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1875 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Idiot of the Month Award X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com.... "Dude, What Was That Noise?": Indiana Tower Knocked Down by Vandals =================================================================== Oh, the lengths to which some people will go for air conditioning. Two young men are charged in a break-in at the WBOW(AM) transmitter building on U.S. Route 40 in Terre Haute, Ind., late last month. They reportedly broke through two steel doors and knocked loose a small window air conditioner, small radio, box fan and extension ladder; but the station transmitting equipment was left alone - until the vandals attempted to flee the scene. According to the station's newsletter, the two accidentally ran their Dodge pickup into a set of guy wires. Instead of stopping, backing up and going underneath the wires, they proceeded with the wires broken loose and wrapped around the front end of the truck, pulling the 130-foot tower to the ground. It had been standing since 1959. General Manager Mike Petersen confirmed the report. He said he was notified that the Crossroads Communications station was off the air at 9:30 that evening due to a guy wire that had fallen over the power line, thus opening the fuse on the transformer outside the building. The damage was discovered the next morning. The truck was found stuck in the mud behind the transmitter, with the air conditioner and fan in the back. Vigo County Sheriff's deputies traced the owner of the truck, and two arrests have since been made, sending one of the culprits to the county jail, Petersen said. Station Engineer Tom Mulvhill attached a 180-foot makeshift long-wire antenna to two large fence posts to get WBOW back on the air, with reduced power of 100 watts. Petersen said a new tower should be up within two weeks, but the timeframe could be delayed if the Wabash River floods, as has been forecast. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Fri Jun 04 09:32:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89517 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 16:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 16:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 16:32:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2004 16:31:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 16:31:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c449b3$85cd1480$04b40642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 378 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.5.122 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Aiwa recording walkmans ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Best bet is to keep looking for the HS-JX636- the last am stereo recording walkman from 1996. In 2000, Sony pulled the plug on all of Aiwa's innovative products, ended all am stereo, and reduced it to another Emerson or Memorex. > Chris Thanks for info, is there a picture somewhere of the JX636 ? From Plutonyum@verizon.net Fri Jun 04 10:52:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Plutonyum@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25369 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 17:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 17:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 17:52:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2004 17:52:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 17:52:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 550 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 151.197.170.141 Subject: {AMSF} Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=164360688 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > jimsmith95663 wrote: > > Hi Thay do'nt seem to be hunting them down. And i know that there is > more than one station doing this. > > I know of three Kahn ISB Stereo stations on the air, but if the FCC does > bust them, the fine can be pretty drastic for unauthorized emissions. > I would be surprised if the FCC had any Kahn receivers nowadays, & would think that the only owners of Kahn receivers would be the geeks like us (myself included)! ;) TONY From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri Jun 04 12:49:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84603 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 19:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 19:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 19:49:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2004 19:49:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 19:49:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 706 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: {AMSF} Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I agree. Just whip out the SRF A-100. Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tony" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: > > jimsmith95663 wrote: > > > Hi Thay do'nt seem to be hunting them down. And i know that > there is > > more than one station doing this. > > > > I know of three Kahn ISB Stereo stations on the air, but if the FCC > does > > bust them, the fine can be pretty drastic for unauthorized > emissions. > > > > > I would be surprised if the FCC had any Kahn receivers nowadays, & > would think that the only owners of Kahn receivers would be the geeks > like us (myself included)! ;) > > TONY From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Jun 04 13:02:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51132 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 20:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 20:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 20:02:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2004 20:00:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:00:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 939 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.13.15 Subject: Re: it seems like..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, tom_richard1980@y... wrote: > I agree. Just whip out the SRF A-100. > > Tom > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tony" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > > wrote: > > > jimsmith95663 wrote: > > > > Hi Thay do'nt seem to be hunting them down. And i know that > > there is > > > more than one station doing this. > > > > > > I know of three Kahn ISB Stereo stations on the air, but if the > FCC > > does > > > bust them, the fine can be pretty drastic for unauthorized > > emissions. > > > > > > > > > I would be surprised if the FCC had any Kahn receivers nowadays, & > > would think that the only owners of Kahn receivers would be the > geeks > > like us (myself included)! ;) > > > > TONY Hi Gang I have a Sony SRF A100 to. I have not herd any thing els but C-Quam here on the west coast Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 04 13:05:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84503 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 20:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 20:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 20:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.13.15 with login) by smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 20:05:41 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c44a6e$cb8a1a20$d56bfea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:01:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.80 From: Subject: Sony SFR A100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Yes i have a Sony SRF A100 to. I have not herd any thing els but C-Quam here on the west coast. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 04 14:13:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22322 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 21:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 21:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 21:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@69.104.34.249 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 21:12:32 -0000 Message-ID: <001601c44a78$22715480$d56bfea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:08:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.84 From: Subject: Amy Mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang What ever happend to Amy Mouse and Jeff Deck and Rick or Rich Wagner of KEVA AM 1240 AM STEREO? Just was wondering. And going aroud to stations and asking if thay wanted to am stereo. Well KAHI AM 950 Auburn ca GM was jazzed about it but untill he found out that the exciter was i peace of crap.( TFT Model 840 Am Stereo exciter) Missinng two cards day card and pilote tone card. I still have it to. Chris could not do any thing with also. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jun 04 20:05:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45485 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2004 03:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2004 03:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2004 03:05:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20040605030459.40550.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.218.108] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:04:59 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:04:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Aiwa recording walkmans ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Dave wrote: > Do Aiwa still produce recording (tape) walkmans in > the states ? They did until Sony purchased Aiwa and discontinued all the good stuff. > I have an Aiwa JX-879 (off ebay) which I wonder was > only for the > USA / Japan market ? Was this the last of the > recording walkmans does > anyone know ? Now, this I do NOT know. Anyone? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jun 04 20:08:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9220 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2004 03:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2004 03:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2004 03:08:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20040605030802.46142.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.218.108] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:08:02 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:08:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001a01c449ab$049dc420$d56bfea9@jimsmith> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.110 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} TM 152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang Ok guys i will try agan. Every TM 152 > sounded ok till the tv and dvd player gets turned on > in the house. Jim Smith The TV can cause problems, but the DVD player will indeed cause a lot of trouble, and EVEN turned off. Best unplug the DVD player. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Jun 04 20:47:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87157 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2004 03:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2004 03:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2004 03:46:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2004 03:46:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:46:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040605030802.46142.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 686 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 68.122.180.231 Subject: Re: TM 152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- jimsmith95663@s... wrote: > > Hi Gang Ok guys i will try agan. Every TM 152 > > sounded ok till the tv and dvd player gets turned on > > in the house. Jim Smith > > The TV can cause problems, but the DVD player will > indeed cause a lot of trouble, and EVEN turned off. > Best unplug the DVD player. > > Powell > > ===== > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw Hi Yes about the dvd's. I 've had losts of interfearancs from tv's over the years and right now to. I have interfaerance on other radio's to but the TM 152 is about the worst and all ways have been to. Jim Smith From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Jun 04 22:34:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96649 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2004 05:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2004 05:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2004 05:34:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2004 05:34:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 05:34:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c44a3a$afc68c80$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1122 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 67.126.222.181 Subject: Re: Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Not that it can't be done, but if the system crashes it's faster to reboot > if you don't have to dial in and correct the problem remotely. Less dead > air, IOW. > > As for these mono stations, I think you can forget it Jim. Even if studio > and transmitter are co-located, you're looking at at a couple grand to > upgrade the audio processor if they're fortunate enough to have an Orban > 9100B. The only exception would be if they already have one of the new > Omnia AM processors which are stereo. Even then you may find the audio > chain needs extra wiring to make it stereo. Do they want to pay someone to > do it or are you capable of doing it yourself? > > Scott > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Cuff" > > > One of the things that always got me, is why do they not use a computer at > the transmitter site, and thereby only need one line for control? All the > liners and music could be (actually, it IS) already on the HD. Hi Scott Bleave me no i can help tech wise. I wish i could. Jim Smith From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Jun 04 22:39:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77221 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2004 05:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2004 05:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2004 05:39:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2004 05:39:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 05:39:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1305 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 67.126.222.181 Subject: Re: Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO EXCITER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Not that it can't be done, but if the system crashes it's faster to > reboot > > if you don't have to dial in and correct the problem remotely. > Less dead > > air, IOW. > > > > As for these mono stations, I think you can forget it Jim. Even if > studio > > and transmitter are co-located, you're looking at at a couple grand > to > > upgrade the audio processor if they're fortunate enough to have an > Orban > > 9100B. The only exception would be if they already have one of the > new > > Omnia AM processors which are stereo. Even then you may find the > audio > > chain needs extra wiring to make it stereo. Do they want to pay > someone to > > do it or are you capable of doing it yourself? > > > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Cuff" > > > > > One of the things that always got me, is why do they not use a > computer at > > the transmitter site, and thereby only need one line for control? > All the > > liners and music could be (actually, it IS) already on the HD. > > > Hi Scott Bleave me no i can help tech wise. I wish i could. Jim Smith No I can't Help. jim smith From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Jun 05 10:22:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14658 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2004 17:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2004 17:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2004 17:22:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2004 17:22:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 17:22:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040605030459.40550.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 663 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.1.214 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Aiwa recording walkmans ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Dave wrote: > > Do Aiwa still produce recording (tape) walkmans in > > the states ? > > > They did until Sony purchased Aiwa and discontinued > all the good stuff. > > > > I have an Aiwa JX-879 (off ebay) which I wonder was > > only for the > > USA / Japan market ? Was this the last of the > > recording walkmans does > > anyone know ? > > > Now, this I do NOT know. Anyone? > I've since found it was originally brought in Hong Kong so maybe was'nt even released in the USA ? AM reception is rather deaf btw but very sensitive on FM... From cbreton27@hotmail.com Sat Jun 05 11:40:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64111 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2004 18:40:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2004 18:40:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.162) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2004 18:40:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 11:39:56 -0700 Received: from 69.157.136.117 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 18:39:56 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 14:39:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2004 18:39:56.0596 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FADD740:01C44B2C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.162 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.136.117] Subject: Sony srf a-100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi Gang ! I own a sony srf a-100, i would to know if it's possible to modify the unit to be able to listen to am stereo on the extended band Thanks for the answer ! 73's Chris _________________________________________________________________ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jun 05 15:56:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52487 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2004 22:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2004 22:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2004 22:56:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20040605225645.23799.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.216.192] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 15:56:45 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:56:45 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: TM 152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Also when you say interference, is it from other stations or noise sources? With the TM-152 being more wideband, you might hear this worse. I found I just purchased a severe noise maker. I got the Xm boombox, and when on, you had better not have another radio on remotely close to it as reception will next to useless. I've been leaving it on the channe 24 Sunny which is close to a Beautiful Music format as you can get. It helps me sleep. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 05 20:56:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57123 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2004 03:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2004 03:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2004 03:56:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2004 03:56:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 03:56:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 743 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.14 Subject: (((( reverb )))) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Reverb seems to be making a comeback on AM stations... earlier this year, two stations in my area (1250 WMTR & 1170 WWTR) added reverb to their audio to complement a new "Classic Oldies" format, and now just recently, New York City's 570 WMCA has added reverb to their audio as well, despite the fact that their audio bandwidth remains at a disappointingly low-fidelity 5 kHz. I have only once heard reverb used on an AM Stereo station, though -- 740 WJIB in Cambridge, MA -- although I didn't have an AM Stereo receiver until 1995, and surely some of the AM Stereo stations of the '80s were using it -- and maybe even earlier, such as during the times stations like WNBC and WABC experimented with AM Stereo in the '60s and '70s. From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Jun 05 22:25:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47661 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2004 05:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2004 05:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2004 05:25:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2004 05:25:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 05:25:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040605225645.23799.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 765 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.15.225 Subject: Re: TM 152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > Also when you say interference, is it from other > stations or noise sources? With the TM-152 being more > wideband, you might hear this worse. > > I found I just purchased a severe noise maker. I got > the Xm boombox, and when on, you had better not have > another radio on remotely close to it as reception > will next to useless. I've been leaving it on the > channe 24 Sunny which is close to a Beautiful Music > format as you can get. It helps me sleep. > > Powell > > ===== > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw Hi Powell If you put the Sony SRF A100 wich i have in wide it sounds the same as the TM 152. Tv's are about the werst i have notested. Jim Smith From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jun 06 17:54:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47649 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2004 00:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2004 00:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52407.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.115) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 00:54:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20040607005412.8800.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.218.77] by web52407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:54:12 PDT Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:54:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.115 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: TM 152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jimsmith95663 wrote: > Hi Powell If you put the Sony SRF A100 wich i have > in wide it sounds > the same as the TM 152. Tv's are about the werst i > have notested. > Jim Smith Well, all I can say, is, well a BIG brick works well to cure that problem! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Jun 06 18:40:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28875 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2004 01:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2004 01:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 01:40:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2004 01:40:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 01:40:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 314 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: (((( reverb )))) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee We don't use reverb during the week on KLUV-FM in Dallas (an Oldies station), but we DO use reverb on our Sunday night rock n roll oldies show. That show focuses on pre-Beatles stuff, so the reverb is kind of fun. There's always talk of adding some reverb Monday through Friday, but somehow it never happens. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Jun 06 19:43:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73439 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2004 02:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2004 02:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 02:43:02 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040607014316012001o4e9e>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 01:43:16 +0000 To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:43:25 -0400 Message-ID: <002901c44c30$d655b9a0$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.56 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: (((( reverb )))) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Slight reverb is used on both of the local oldies stations (WWBB "B101" Providence, and WODS "Oldies 103.3" Boston. Also, heritage CHR 92 PRO-FM Providence still uses some. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Douglas [mailto:deepcoffee@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 9:40 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: (((( reverb )))) We don't use reverb during the week on KLUV-FM in Dallas (an Oldies station), but we DO use reverb on our Sunday night rock n roll oldies show. That show focuses on pre-Beatles stuff, so the reverb is kind of fun. There's always talk of adding some reverb Monday through Friday, but somehow it never happens. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From aalso@netzero.com Mon Jun 07 02:19:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99296 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2004 09:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2004 09:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 09:19:13 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([68.218.186.224]) by imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040607091847.KOIV12800.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:18:47 -0400 Message-ID: <40C4330E.9060704@netzero.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 05:19:10 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1086595107.256.90987.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1086595107.256.90987.m12@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.70 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: AMS-G1 WSOS AM 1170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr For those that have been curious, I just spent the night on the bench working on the AMS-G1 for WSOS in St. Augustine. I was able to find where the spurs, that were driving the transmitter crazy, were being generated. On the bench it looks wonderful again. later this week I'm going to go back through the factory alignment from start to finish and if all continues to go well I should have it back on the air this weekend. To quote tech support at Harris, the AMS-G1 is a magic box and they don't have know much about them in the service shop. So I've been flying blind just using the manual (which is quite informative) and tweaking here and there as needed. I've learned far more about this unit than I intended to. The Spurs were being created in the SX correction circuitry. Using the curve 1 & 2 pots you could tune the spurs to any separation from the carrier you wanted to. The spurs would also change in amplitude anywhere form 30db down to 2 db down. It was quite interesting. Even though it wasn't on the list of required service equipment, working on one of these units without a spectrum analyzer would be impossible for this problem. Alan Alsobrook CE WSOS From oldphones@webtv.net Mon Jun 07 03:49:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99982 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2004 10:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2004 10:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 10:49:32 -0000 Received: from storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id ACE9CBEB5; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 03:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id DAA26476; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 03:49:30 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAtHrkHyXxQSSV+/BUoFVovQorFU8CFQCkhNWoOBffazeh4QX4yJt7/WJXtQ== Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:49:30 -0500 To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <9364-40C4483A-1916@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Kevin, Mesa, AZ" 's message of Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:08:53 +0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ ABDX ] In Memorimum R R X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Sorry if this seems sorta off topic, But WE as a Nation lost a great President, pioneer radio broadcaster, and great man, former President Ronald Reagan last Saturday> Ron started his radio career here in the Midwest At the famous WHO Des Moines, and WOC Davenport, Iowa doing sports play by play. And went on to great things..... God Rest his soul. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 07 05:49:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57267 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2004 12:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2004 12:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 12:49:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20040607124953.16248.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 05:49:53 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:49:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.143 From: "John P." Subject: Stray Cat song? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio What song was somebody looking for in stereo by the Stray Cats? I did hear a stereo version of 'Stray Cat Strut' with definate stereo (guitar solo in left channel a few times), but most of the rest of the song in nearly panned to center or even a semi-fake stereo. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 07 08:06:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40410 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2004 15:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2004 15:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51604.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.209) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 15:06:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20040607150613.48550.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web51604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 08:06:13 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:06:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.209 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Leonard Kahn: IBOC vs. Cam-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Opinion: Cam-D Is Better Than IBOC by Leonard Kahn Now is the time for all good broadcasters to come to the aid of their country and their industry. This statement may appear to be an exaggeration, but I truly believe that the IBOC system threatens both the AM and FM industries and thus threatens free radio broadcasting. Furthermore, it is no stretch that while our country is at war and that our homeland is subject to further attack, supporting technology that interferes with AM radio that is essential to alerting Americans of an attack is clearly not in the public interest. The real question is: What can station owners, GMs, engineers, PDs, talent and everyone else who makes a living in radio broadcasting do to come to the aid of free broadcasting and our country? Simple: write a short (or long) letter to the FCC and then give the commission your comments re the impact of IBOC on AM broadcasting. Even though you have until June 14 to send the commission your comments (Docket 99-325), the sooner you get your comments in, the sooner people who watch for such filings will react to your views. Please e-mail me at radio221@aol.com so I can spread your words to other people that want to save broadcasting. As you may know, I have been opposed to the original and the revised IBOC systems for over 10 years, long before Kahn Communications Inc. developed the Cam-D System, so you can be certain that I would be opposing the wideband IBOC system even if Cam-D had never been invented. Cam-D's slim spectrum not only makes you a better spectrum neighbor, it increases your coverage, drops power-line buzz, reduces fading and is capable of the best-ever AM stereo. It works night and day. It's not afraid of the dark. Also, your listeners can see your music information, name of artist, tune and where "viewers" can get a copy. It can also give weather reports, road conditions, stock market prices and scores of your local teams. And most important, Cam-D allows you to provide three channels to the government so it can protect us at locations even beyond your present best coverage. Another important use of the Cam-D's scrolling visual display system is that it provides service to the 29 million hearing-disabled Americans. Since Cam-D's narrow spectrum allows high- and low-powered stations to coexist, a hearing-disabled person will not be denied warnings of dangerous local storms. KCI is developing battery-powered Cam-D radios incorporating flashing lights to alert users of emergencies, such as storms and early warnings of military attacks. Finally, you do not have to argue against the digital age, you just want the best of both analog and digital worlds without infuriating the American public by making their property, their radios, useless - thus destroying the main advantage AM and FM radio has over all of its incompatible competitors, the 800 million radios Americans rely upon every day of the year. There really is an IBOC system that is truly in-band and is in the public interest. Write today. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jun 07 14:55:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64333 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2004 21:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2004 21:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 21:55:53 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.183.3]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:57:38 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c44cda$20e0c740$03b70642@4bmx301> To: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:55:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Kahn monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To anyone that has never seen a Kahn AM Stereo monitor, there is one on ebay now (I had never seen one myself) Item 5703703214 Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jun 07 15:10:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37268 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2004 22:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2004 22:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 22:10:46 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57M96OE035986 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:09:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <40C4E7AB.8010706@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:09:47 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20040607124953.16248.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040607124953.16248.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stray Cat song? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Thats the way Dave Edmumds Engineered the albums However most of their Live recordings Brians Gutair was in stereo seperation by a very short Delay to the Left with his guitar to the Right.. I know.. I went to high school with them and was their Live Engineer for 2 Tours Neal John P. wrote: >What song was somebody looking for in stereo by the Stray Cats? > >I did hear a stereo version of 'Stray Cat Strut' with definate stereo (guitar >solo in left channel a few times), but most of the rest of the song in nearly >panned to center or even a semi-fake stereo. > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. >http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Jun 07 18:22:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47397 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 01:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 01:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 01:22:30 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.82] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:22:28 -0600 Message-ID: <002c01c44cf7$b29a3460$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:26:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2004 01:22:29.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[10BE5A40:01C44CF7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony srf a-100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yes it is though you'll sacrifice some dial calibration. If you take the back off and find the tuning cap, turn the AM oscillator trimmer until your tuning range hits 1700. Then tune the AM ANT trimmer to 1400 (where it actually is, not where the pointer lines up with the dial markings) and adjust for max. I can't tell you which trimmers are which as I haven't done it on this particular unit, but I have done this on a number of other radios. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "christian breton" To: Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 1:39 PM Subject: {AMSF} Sony srf a-100 > > > Hi Gang ! > > > I own a sony srf a-100, i would to know if it's possible to modify the unit > to be able to listen to am stereo on the extended band > > Thanks for the answer ! > > 73's > > Chris > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! > http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 07 20:06:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26776 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 03:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 03:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 03:06:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20040608030605.4411.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.35.204] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:06:05 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:06:05 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.144 From: "John P." Subject: If you're in range of WJR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio AMS'ers: please check 760 KHz tonight (Monday nite). If you are not receiving a pilot from WJR, please go to the WJR website ("contact us") and please leave them an email reminder to switch it back on -thanks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Jun 07 20:11:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22964 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 03:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 03:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.202.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 03:11:19 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040608031059016000qeque>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:10:59 +0000 To: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:11:16 -0400 Message-ID: <008501c44d06$4639c470$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20040608030605.4411.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.64 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} If you're in range of WJR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn I'm hearing it, and it's not stereo. I already sent them a message. Lets hope this is just a one time thing! Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: John P. [mailto:toledohamradio@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 11:06 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} If you're in range of WJR AMS'ers: please check 760 KHz tonight (Monday nite). If you are not receiving a pilot from WJR, please go to the WJR website ("contact us") and please leave them an email reminder to switch it back on -thanks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 07 20:30:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8614 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 03:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 03:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 03:30:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2004 03:30:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 03:30:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1755 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.1 Subject: KCBS using IBOC + 8 kHz analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the radio-tech list.... [RT] KCBS (AM) operating in 8 KHz hybrid mode using IBOC Brian J. Henry Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:28:38 -0700 This morning while I was doing some mock AM-NRSC measurements with my Tektronix 2710 spectrum analzyer, I noticed that KCBS (AM), San Francisco is operating in 8 kHz hybrid digital mode using IBOC on 740 kHz. Seeing the AM IBOC signal on my own analyzer made a real impact. It was like, whoa, this thing takes up a lot of room. Then, for the sake of curiousity, I pulled out my FIM-41 and measured the analog carrier, and then the digital carriers on each side. I measured 25 mV/m on the analog and about 2.5 mV/m for each digital carrier. The digital sidebands were not symmetrical at my measurement location. With my spectrum analyzer, I measured the lower digital sideband 4 dB lower in level than the upper digital sideband. After doing AM-NRSC measurements for several years, it is strange to see so much sideband energy even though it is within the NRSC mask. If you'd like to see some photos, email me directly. Of course, I had to listen to it with my Sony SRF-A100. To me, in the narrow bandwidth mode, with the receiver centered on the analog carrier, the digital carriers are not objectionable. If you didn't know any better, you'd think it was a noisy source like a cassette machine. However, in the wide bandwidth mode, the presence of the digital carriers is undeniable. I think that the engineering staff at KCBS (AM) made a good choice by choosing 8 kHz analog audio bandwidth as it keeps the digital carriers a little bit farther away from the analog sidebands. Brian Henry Henry Communications 1414 Hill Avenue Napa, California 94559 (707) 226-5544 bhenry@saber.net From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 08 00:11:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60102 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 07:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 07:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.182) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 07:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.126.221.63 with login) by smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 07:11:09 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c44d27$433f4620$d56bfea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:07:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.182 From: Subject: KCBS am 740 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang I live about a 100 mile from KCBS am 740 so i will let you know what i hear. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Jun 08 04:46:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2501 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 11:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 11:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 11:46:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:46:10 -0700 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:46:10 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 07:46:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2004 11:46:10.0869 (UTC) FILETIME=[31A1C650:01C44D4E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.51 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: RE: {AMSF} If you're in range of WJR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane They sounded OK to me at 5:15 this morning in Jackson (some 70 miles away). Boomed in with the usual AM stereo commercials, boring mono talk. Paul Crane flea powered AM stereo 1250/FM stereo 88.3/TV 17 (mono, no video) >From: "Jeff Lehmann" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: RE: {AMSF} If you're in range of WJR >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:11:16 -0400 > >I'm hearing it, and it's not stereo. I already sent them a message. Lets >hope this is just a one time thing! > >Jeff Lehmann >Hanson, MA > >-----Original Message----- >From: John P. [mailto:toledohamradio@yahoo.com] >Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 11:06 PM >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} If you're in range of WJR > >AMS'ers: please check 760 KHz tonight (Monday nite). If you are not >receiving >a pilot from WJR, please go to the WJR website ("contact us") and please >leave >them an email reminder to switch it back on -thanks! > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! 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Groups Links > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jun 08 06:33:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8643 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 13:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 13:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 13:33:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2004 13:30:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:30:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040607124953.16248.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 493 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.192.242 Subject: Re: Stray Cat song? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud No, we were talking about "Rock This Town." Does not exist in stereo, AFAIK. Obviously a deliberate choice by the audio engineer. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > What song was somebody looking for in stereo by the Stray Cats? > > I did hear a stereo version of 'Stray Cat Strut' with definate stereo (guitar > solo in left channel a few times), but most of the rest of the song in nearly > panned to center or even a semi-fake stereo. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 08 07:23:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10818 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 14:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 14:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 14:23:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2004 14:22:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:22:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 328 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 Subject: Re: Stray Cat song? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > No, we were talking about "Rock This Town." Does not exist in > stereo, AFAIK. Obviously a deliberate choice by the audio > engineer. It's also rather heavy on the reverb and midrange EQ, likely to help give it a "vintage rock" sound. Sounds rather crummy when run through a typical smash-and-clip Optimod-FM, though. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jun 08 11:35:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84181 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 18:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 18:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 18:35:12 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040608183505011001f4t3e>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:35:05 +0000 To: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:35:20 -0400 Message-ID: <009101c44d87$5db6eed0$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.55 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: WJR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn I just got a reply from WJR's engineer from the feedback I had submitted about the stereo being off last night. He said that they were using the backup transmitter because of maintenance on the main transmitter. He said that the main one was back on by 1 AM. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From tomray@wor710.com Tue Jun 08 12:22:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82081 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 19:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 19:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 19:22:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2004 19:22:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:22:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040607150613.48550.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 201 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: Leonard Kahn: IBOC vs. Cam-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray And wait until you see my rip Cam-D to shreds in Radio World.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Opinion: Cam-D Is Better Than IBOC > by Leonard Kahn > From tomray@wor710.com Tue Jun 08 12:25:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15659 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 19:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 19:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 19:25:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2004 19:24:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:24:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002901c44c30$d655b9a0$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 326 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: (((( reverb )))) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray We used to use it very lightly in the background full time when I was at WTIC AM and FM.....both stations. It was just light enough to make the station sound "different" than anyone else in town, yet not enough to be annyoing. And you can't beat a good spring/plate reverb.....but the Yamaha units we used came close! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Jun 08 16:08:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33035 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 23:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 23:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.125) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 23:08:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:06:23 -0700 Received: from 24.94.110.132 by bay99-dav21.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:06:23 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:08:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2004 23:06:23.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[38175270:01C44DAD] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.125 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.110.132] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (((( reverb )))) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > And you can't beat a good spring/plate reverb The reason radio stations started using reverb was to increase modulation density so the station would sound louder on the air. The old Fairchilds then the Orban reverbs sounded the best on the air. If you want to win a loud war, drive a spring reverb into an Optimod 9000 with the "disco mod" Crank up the compression on the Optimod and then give it just enough reverb to be annoying, then back off of the reverb just a hair. This will make people have to turn up their volume when they switch off of your station to the competition, making the other station sound "weak". Be prepared to replace lots of modulator tubes . I have seen a RCA BTA1S actually get hot enough to melt the glass and imploding the 4-400C modulator tubes under this kind of abuse!....But it was loud as HELL on the air. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 08 17:06:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85417 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2004 00:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2004 00:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2004 00:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@69.104.34.4 with login) by smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2004 00:06:09 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c44db5$0f67d9a0$d56bfea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:02:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.186 From: Subject: KCBS AM 740 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I can get "KCBS ALL NEWS 74" and i can hear the side bands at 100 miles away. So i wonder if i could get the main hd signal? Thay are a 50 kw station day and night. I was just leting every one know what i here at a100 miles. For more info on them go to www.fcc.gov . Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Wed Jun 09 12:17:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60471 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2004 19:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2004 19:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.198) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2004 19:17:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:17:10 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay22-dav18.bay22.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:17:10 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:17:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2004 19:17:10.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D144520:01C44E56] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.198 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: (/\/\)otorola 1300 Manual to pdf X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I am awaiting my manual for the 1300. When it arrives I will scan to pdf and post to http://www.part15.us and ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com for all to have access to. I'll post again when this is done. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Jun 10 19:19:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12249 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2004 02:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2004 02:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2004 02:19:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2004 02:19:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 02:19:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1227 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: New Beach Boys CD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee My radio station just received a bunch of promo copies of a new Beach Boys compilation CD (it also includes a DVD of some live performances)... it's titled: The Very Best of The Beach Boys: Sights and Sounds of Summer. And just about everything that OUGHT to be in stereo IS in stereo... except: When I Grow Up (To Be A Man). Actually, I don't know that my young ears have ever heard the stereo version of When I Grow Up. Is the mono, as with Don't Worry Baby, the better version? Here's what IS in stereo on the new CD: California Girls, Sufin' USA, Surfer Girl, Little Deuce Coupe, Shut Down (A Brand New Stereo Mix), In My Room, God Only Knows, Sloop John B, Wouldn't It Be Nice, Dance Dance Dance (Another Brand New Stereo Mix) and Heroes & Villains. There's also plenty of mono, of course... but it's all the usual suspects: I Get Around, Good Vibrations, Help Me Rhonda, etc. Oh... Fun Fun Fun is the mono version. But the only stereo version of that song available fades too fast. So it's not surprising that they went with the Single Version that everyone's used to. All in all, not a bad batch of stereo this go round. Might be the most stereo hits for any Beach Boys CD thus far... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 10 19:57:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63322 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2004 02:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2004 02:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2004 02:57:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2004 02:57:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 02:57:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 183 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.20 Subject: Kenwood IBOC tuner on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The first one I've seen... but for some reason, the people selling IBOC gear on eBay all seem to have 0 feedback.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5703777528 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 10 20:22:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5624 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2004 03:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2004 03:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2004 03:22:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2004 03:21:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:21:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 814 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.20 Subject: Re: New Beach Boys CD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > All in all, not a bad batch of stereo this go round. Might be the > most stereo hits for any Beach Boys CD thus far... Just hopefully they didn't murder the audio with excessive compression and clipping, like almost every re-issued CD these days. Sometimes, no satisfactory CD re-issue exists, so I make my own, by dubbing the original LP and using Cool Edit to remove the pops and clicks. I made a CD of Command's original 1959 "Persuasive Percussion" audiophile LP in this manner, and the audio quality will truly blow your mind. Of course, the average playback level is probably 12 dB lower than a typical pop music CD because the peak intensity is so high and I didn't use any clipping, but if a CD can't capture the full dynamic range of a 45-year-old analog recording, then what good is it? From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jun 11 00:27:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11544 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2004 07:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2004 07:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2004 07:27:23 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.198]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:28:14 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c44f85$50133fe0$c6b50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:25:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kenwood IBOC tuner on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That reminds me Kevin- Did you ever get that HD radio you won? How is it? cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: {AMSF} Kenwood IBOC tuner on eBay The first one I've seen... but for some reason, the people selling IBOC gear on eBay all seem to have 0 feedback.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5703777528 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Jun 11 03:42:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71469 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2004 10:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2004 10:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.232) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2004 10:42:52 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.212.38.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.212.38] helo=earthlink.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BYjUp-0001Xh-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:42:52 -0700 Message-ID: <40C98CB3.F4332D53@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:42:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.232 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New Beach Boys CD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time after time I have discovered that, despite slight scratches that my old LP record may have, the overal sound quality and sense of "presence" on the LP are clearly superior to the new CD that I have purchased. I think that is inexcusable, considering the potential of CD. Dick W. "Kevin T." wrote: > > All in all, not a bad batch of stereo this go round. Might be the > > most stereo hits for any Beach Boys CD thus far... > > Just hopefully they didn't murder the audio with excessive > compression and clipping, like almost every re-issued CD these days. > Sometimes, no satisfactory CD re-issue exists, so I make my own, by > dubbing the original LP and using Cool Edit to remove the pops and > clicks. I made a CD of Command's original 1959 "Persuasive > Percussion" audiophile LP in this manner, and the audio quality will > truly blow your mind. Of course, the average playback level is > probably 12 dB lower than a typical pop music CD because the peak > intensity is so high and I didn't use any clipping, but if a CD can't > capture the full dynamic range of a 45-year-old analog recording, > then what good is it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From roy.sandgren@telia.com Fri Jun 11 05:44:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10068 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2004 12:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2004 12:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO av9-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net) (81.228.11.116) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2004 12:44:54 -0000 Received: by av9-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 9745537ECF; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:44:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.164]) by av9-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A6237E43; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:44:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from roy (h155n2fls302o1101.telia.com [81.226.179.155]) by smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CBD437E4A; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:43:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001201c44fb2$01239a60$9bb3e251@roy> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:45:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.228.11.116 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Hard-Core-DX.com_-_Probably_the_best_DX_site_in_the_worl?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?d=2C_Radio_Nord_Tillbaka_p=E5_603_khz?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is the latest of the radioship St. Paul. 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Version: 6.0.703 / Virus Database: 459 - Release Date: 2004-06-10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aalso@netzero.com Fri Jun 11 16:03:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70457 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2004 23:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2004 23:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2004 23:03:16 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([68.218.224.217]) by imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040611230316.HWKE19385.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:03:16 -0400 Message-ID: <40CA3A49.8030905@netzero.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:03:37 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1086595107.256.90987.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1086595107.256.90987.m12@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.73 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: AMS-G1 WSOS AM 1170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr I will be Working on WSOS AM 1170 Tonight.. After midnight eastern. I expect to be doing full power test of the Stereo equipment. Alan Alsobrook CE WSOS From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 11 18:58:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74602 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2004 01:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2004 01:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2004 01:58:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2004 01:58:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:58:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40C98CB3.F4332D53@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1915 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.10 Subject: Re: New Beach Boys CD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Time after time I have discovered that, despite slight scratches > that my old LP record may have, the overal sound quality and sense > of "presence" on the LP are clearly superior to the new CD that I > have purchased. I think that is inexcusable, considering the > potential of CD. In my experience, there's an easy way to find good-sounding CDs -- just look for this kind of disclaimer: "The music on this Compact Disc was originally recorded on analog equipment. We have attempted to preserve, as closely as possible, the sound of the original recording. Because of its high resolution, however, the Compact Disc can reveal limitations of the source tape." Somewhere in the early 1990s, most CDs stopped including that disclaimer -- and it's no coincidence that that's also era in which CD mastering engineers started to get more and more heavy-handed in their manipulation of the audio... it no longer sounds as close as possible to the original recording; it now sounds the way a few people -- be it the artist, the producer, and/or the mastering engineer -- _want_ it to sound. BTW, One of the strangest-sounding CDs I have is the 1986 Police compilation CD "Every Breath You Take: The Singles". It sounds fantastic -- except for the fact that it has _NO BASS_. It's like they EQ'ed it to roll off everything below 500 Hz. As a result, it sounds like garbage compared to the original LPs, until you crank in a low-end EQ boost to make up for the large difference in tonality. A drop in the high treble is advisable as well, considering just how insanely strong those hi-hats are on tracks like "De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da". On a spectrum graph, this makes it very obvious that the CD was mastered with a "brick wall" at 20 kHz. On the LP, the high end response just keeps on going, well above the upper limit of human hearing (a high-end phono cartridge is flat to 30+ kHz). From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Jun 12 07:23:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71592 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2004 14:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2004 14:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52007.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2004 14:23:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20040612142324.86450.qmail@web52007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.35.173] by web52007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:23:24 PDT Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:23:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <40CA3A49.8030905@netzero.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.63 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS-G1 WSOS AM 1170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio They don't have a Harris SX-1A do they? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From narkspud@hotmail.com Sat Jun 12 08:28:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4640 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2004 15:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2004 15:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2004 15:28:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2004 15:28:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:28:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2223 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.197.232 Subject: Re: New Beach Boys CD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud This description sounds like something I'd heard about happening, but I'd never come across an example. The pinheads mastered the CD from an RIAA-EQ'd submaster without removing the RIAA EQ. For those who didn't know, since the early 50's, the RIAA has decreed that all records add a specific treble boost and bass reduction when they are mastered. (This was already being done by most labels, but it wasn't standardized until the 50s, which is why most 78s sound too bass-y on modern equipment.) The EQ adjustment is reversed by your phono preamp when you play the record. The purpose is to improve trackability and reduce surface noise. I bet if you ran that CD through an attenuator and a phono preamp, it would sound pretty good. That, BTW, is only the second dumbest mastering mistake I've ever heard of. The winner (I think it was the Risky Business label but I'm not certain) was a compilation CD that used a mint LP as their master for "Washington Square" by the Village Stompers, and had their turntable set to 45 RPM. Even more amazingly, there was another compilation CD (on JCI's "Rock the Planet" label) that lifted their copy of "Washington Square" from the first one, a glaring example of how screwed-up mastering jobs tend to spread like cold germs. Come to think of it, that song sounds better at 45 RPM, but I digress. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > compilation CD "Every Breath You Take: The Singles". It sounds > fantastic -- except for the fact that it has _NO BASS_. It's like > they EQ'ed it to roll off everything below 500 Hz. As a result, it > sounds like garbage compared to the original LPs, until you crank in > a low-end EQ boost to make up for the large difference in tonality. > > A drop in the high treble is advisable as well, considering just how > insanely strong those hi-hats are on tracks like "De Do Do Do, De Da > Da Da". On a spectrum graph, this makes it very obvious that the CD > was mastered with a "brick wall" at 20 kHz. On the LP, the high end > response just keeps on going, well above the upper limit of human > hearing (a high-end phono cartridge is flat to 30+ kHz). From roy.sandgren@telia.com Sat Jun 12 11:25:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76086 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2004 18:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2004 18:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO av2-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net) (81.228.9.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2004 18:25:11 -0000 Received: by av2-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 2B03D37E79; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:24:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.178]) by av2-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11BB237E54; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:24:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from roy (h155n2fls302o1101.telia.com [81.226.179.155]) by smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7EAC338006; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:24:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000901c450aa$bfb6b0e0$9bb3e251@roy> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:26:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.228.9.108 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: RADIOSHIP IN HARBOR???? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NEWS FROM THE RADIOSHIP 603 kHz The ship St. Paul is now near Gotland east of Sweden and a storm is comming up tonigth. The ship will stay outside or at a pier in Klintehamn over nigth and 12-18 hours ahead. Visit the ship and give the boys some food :-)). Roy Sandgren Radio Scandinavia 603 AM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.703 / Virus Database: 459 - Release Date: 2004-06-10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sat Jun 12 19:27:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28664 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 02:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 02:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 02:26:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2004 02:26:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:26:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 388 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 207.69.139.145 Subject: Re: CDs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 What sounds the best is MFSL LPs. I put "Abandoned Luncheonette" by Daryl Hall & John Oates on a CD-R and it just knocks the commercial CD out of the park. You're right though. There's no excuse for CDs not to sound better. I even notice a difference when I record vinyl and A/B it with the CD-R and it still sounds less 'full'... as though a little bass punch is missing. T From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jun 12 19:31:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98896 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 02:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 02:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.121) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 02:31:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 19:29:13 -0700 Received: from 24.94.110.132 by bay99-dav17.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:29:13 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:31:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2004 02:29:13.0783 (UTC) FILETIME=[378FDC70:01C450EE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.121 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.110.132] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New Beach Boys CD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 narkspud wrote: > This description sounds like something I'd heard about happening, but I'd never come across an example. The pinheads mastered the CD from an RIAA-EQ'd submaster without removing the RIAA EQ. I have the original CD release of REO Speedwagon's "High Infidelity". The whole CD is RIAA EQed. Would you happen to know what the EQ curve is to use the Graphic EQ in Cool Edit to fix this? I have played with it some, but would like to get it "Dead Nuts" right. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sat Jun 12 19:55:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86757 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 02:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 02:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 02:55:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2004 02:55:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:55:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1255 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 207.69.139.146 Subject: Re: KCBS/KABL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > From the radio-tech list.... > I'm in San Francisco and I just got through listening to KCBS on the Denon TU-680 NAB with the Dymek DA-5 antenna. I agree with your assessment Brian. It actually sounds better in narrow mode. You're right about the digital carrier's noise in wide-mode. Isn't KABL planning to use IBOC also? Does anyone know if that Cam-D system is advancing anywhere? It just may be AM's saving grace if it's all Kahn says it is. Tom > Of course, I had to listen to it with my Sony SRF-A100. To me, in > the narrow bandwidth mode, with the receiver centered on the analog > carrier, the digital carriers are not objectionable. If you didn't > know any better, you'd think it was a noisy source like a cassette > machine. However, in the wide bandwidth mode, the presence of the > digital carriers is undeniable. I think that the engineering staff > at KCBS (AM) made a good choice by choosing 8 kHz analog audio > bandwidth as it keeps the digital carriers a little bit farther away > from the analog sidebands. > > Brian Henry > Henry Communications > 1414 Hill Avenue > Napa, California 94559 > (707) 226-5544 > bhenry@s... From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jun 12 20:33:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86620 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 03:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 03:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.125) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 03:33:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:31:07 -0700 Received: from 24.94.110.132 by bay99-dav21.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:31:07 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:33:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2004 03:31:07.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD127DD0:01C450F6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.125 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.110.132] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CDs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 tom_richard1980@yahoo.com wrote: > What sounds the best is MFSL LPs. MFSL's CD sound great too! > > I put "Abandoned Luncheonette" by Daryl Hall & John Oates on a CD-R and it just knocks the commercial CD out of the park. Are you comparing it to the "real" Atlantic release, or the newer AOL-Warner release? I have the original RCA release of Daryl Hall & John Oates "Rock 'N' Soul Part One". It sounds MUCH better than a friend's RCA-BMG release of the same CD. The BMG release sounds like it was processed through a badly set up Optimod 9100with the 5 band limiter. I have also noticed that the Polar releases of the Abba albums sound better than the Atlantic. What a shame because back in the old days, Atlantic had the best sounding records of ALL of the record companies. > > You're right though. There's no excuse for CDs not to sound better. I even notice a difference when I record vinyl and A/B it with the CD-R and it still sounds less 'full'... as though a little bass punch is missing. More than likely, you are hearing limitations in your sound card. You also have to remember your CD-R is one generation down from your LP. I picked up a GREAT sounding CD the other day: The 1989 release of Percy Faith's "16 Most Requested Songs" on the Columbia label. It has the very best sounding recording of "Theme From A Summer Place" I have ever heard. It is even better than the TM Century Gold Disc version. The recording of "The Girl From Ipanema" is Percy Faith at his very best. While "Swedish Rhapsody (Midsummer Vigil)" is in Mono, the dynamic range and fidelity will still blow your socks off. This CD must have been "New Old Stock" because it is a CBS Records Inc. release, not Sony Music. Anyway, if you want to go hunt it on Amazon, it is Columbia number CK 44398 Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Jun 12 20:48:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48291 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 03:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 03:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 03:48:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2004 03:48:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:48:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 671 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Beach Boys Related X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Since we've got a few Beach Boys fans on this board, this might be of interest... I've only recently become aware of a late-70's album by Dennis Wilson. It's titled Pacific Ocean Blue. As far as I can tell, there was only one CD printing of this album, and that was in 1992. I've checked eBay for it, and the CD usually sells for well over $100. Well, to make a long story short... I've come across a Web site that has the entire album posted in 192 kbps mp3 format. For Beach Boys fans, this is a bit of a "lost treasure". Enjoy... http://membres.lycos.fr/pacificoceanblue/ And here's a review of the album: http://www.holeintheweb.com/drp/drpdwilson.htm From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 12 21:13:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89107 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 04:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 04:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 04:13:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2004 04:13:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 04:13:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 942 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.3 Subject: {AMSF} Re: New Beach Boys CD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have the original CD release of REO Speedwagon's "High > Infidelity". The whole CD is RIAA EQed. I have that CD too (it says "Manufactured in Japan by CBS/Sony, Tokyo, Japan", but has a side band saying "Now Made In The USA" -- dating it to 1984 or so, when CD plants started opening in the USA, versus the earliest CDs which were only made in Japan), and it's not as bad as an uncorrected RIAA curve... it's just the typical "bright" '80s pop music type of sound. But although rarely used, there is a pre-emphasis curve that is part of the official CD standard. A CD player is supposed to recognize this and apply a matching de-emphasis curve, but many do not, so if you have a pre-emphasized CD in your collection, it may sound overly bright on some CD players, or if you "rip" it to a file on your PC. Unfortunately I have not been able to find any data on this curve, so in this case you'll just have to play it by ear. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jun 12 22:07:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64296 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 05:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 05:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.108) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 05:07:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:05:32 -0700 Received: from 24.94.110.132 by bay99-dav4.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 05:05:31 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:02:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2004 05:05:32.0574 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DC1CBE0:01C45104] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.108 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.110.132] Subject: REO Speedwagon's "High Infidelity" Was: New Beach Boys CD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: > I have that CD too (it says "Manufactured in Japan by CBS/Sony, Tokyo, Japan", but has a side band saying "Now Made In The USA" -- I have a Boston CD with the "Now Made In The USA" side band! My Copy of "High Infidelity" is a Sony CD. The back cover and the CD itself has the song titles in English and Japanese and on the side band says "Manufactured by Sony in Japan for CBS Records" On the inner side of the Jewel case card, it has the original LP rear cover art. My copy must have been from around 1983. It is Epic number EK-36844 > > But although rarely used, there is a pre-emphasis curve that is part of the official CD standard. I was not aware of the CD pre-emphasis curve. I do know this CD sounds way overly bright in every CD player I own I will have to look up this pre-emphasis curve in the Red Book when I get a chance. > > A CD player is supposed to recognize this and apply a matching de-emphasis curve, but many do not, There were many things the CD was supposed to be and just wasn't! I remember going to a Sony CD demonstration for Audio dealers where the factory rep told us that the CD would quickly replace LPs and pre-recorded tapes (Very true!) but the reason he have was the technology required to make a CD was so technically advanced, Pirates would never be able to produce one! LOL Now every kid with a computer makes his own CDs from music downloaded from Kazaa! Oh well. The best part of the demonstration was when the rep was explaining how CDs have no surface noise and was immune to scratches and finger prints. To demonstrate, he took a CD and scratched it with a nail then put it in the player......it skipped LOL! The first generation CD players did sound GREAT compared to other forms of pre-recorded music. The difference between the high end Car tape players and CD decks were amazing. I still have a first generation Pioneer AM-FM-CD car deck. It has a separate tuner module and is pre-amp out only because they couldn't squeeze a tuner and audio amps, along with a CD player in a DIN sized chassis. It also makes all kinds of weird noises before it starts playing. The AM tuner sounds worse than a call on a cheap cell phone, but the FM tuner is one of the best I have ever used. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 13 00:33:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70551 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 07:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 07:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 07:33:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2004 07:33:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 07:33:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 676 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.3 Subject: Re: CD pre-emphasis X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I was not aware of the CD pre-emphasis curve. I do know this CD > sounds way overly bright in every CD player I own I will have to > look up this pre-emphasis curve in the Red Book when I get a > chance. In a Google search I found this in rec.audio.tech: "The consumer pre-emphasis for a CD is specified as a filter with a zero at 50 usec (3183 Hz) and a pole at 15 usec (10610 Hz). Obviously a de-emphasis filter would do just the reverse. What you need is a filter that is flat at low frequencies, drops 6 dB/octave above 3183 Hz until 10610 Hz, and then flattens out again. The filter's response at 3183 Hz would be -3 db from the very low frequency response." From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jun 13 00:56:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68186 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 07:56:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 07:56:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 07:56:27 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.183.236]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:58:53 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c4511b$e9915840$ecb70642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:56:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: speaking of vinyl... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I pick up a lot of early 45's at the flea market and two weeks ago picked up a few gems- One song in particular was "The Big Hurt" by Miss Toni Fisher- It was a never played copy on the original Signet label- I was expecting to finally hear this song in decent fidelity- But to my surprise, it sounded exactly like any radio played version- Like the recording was made on a bad reel to reel with the head alignment off. You can hear it come in and out of phase as the tape moved in and out of the proper head gap area. Amazing. A few other treasures were some old, mint ABC Paramount and Dot records- what great fidelity! Atco, too. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 13 01:52:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4041 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 08:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 08:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 08:52:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2004 08:52:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:52:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c4511b$e9915840$ecb70642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1073 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.3 Subject: Re: speaking of vinyl... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > A few other treasures were some old, mint ABC Paramount and Dot > records- what great fidelity! Atco, too. I have an "Atco" CD of "The Bobby Darin Story" from 1989, but it's really just a different name for Atlantic. Still, it sounds excellent... except during the last few tracks, where the stereo imaging abruptly is switched around... sometimes the channels swap, and sometimes Bobby's voice is in the left channel and the moves to the right, or vice versa. You can actually hear a pop or click when the channels are swapped around. Is this a mistake, or was it recorded that way? It's also fun to hear Bobby say "Now you better turn the record over, or I'll run right into the label"... CRASH! Also, I'm looking for a clean copy of the version of "Mack The Knife" where Bobby's voice goes out-of-phase at the end. All the copies I've found (including on the aforementioned CD) either maintain the correct phasing, or drop to near-mono on the last line. But on the radio, I'm used to hearing the out-of-phase version. Where do they get it from? From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Jun 13 02:36:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53663 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 09:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 09:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.120) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 09:36:31 -0000 Received: from [4.247.209.58] (helo=earthlink.net) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BZROy-0003Vg-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:35:45 -0700 Message-ID: <40CC1FDE.B382A00F@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 05:35:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <001101c4511b$e9915840$ecb70642@4bmx301> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.120 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} speaking of vinyl... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Going back to the old days that the song was popular, that sound you're talking about on "The Big Hurt" was included in the radio-played Top-40 version of the song as well. We always presumed that it was intended - sort of a fake high-tech sound/gimmick to make the record different from others. Dick W. Chris Cuff wrote: > I pick up a lot of early 45's at the flea market and two weeks ago picked up a few gems- One song in particular was "The Big Hurt" by Miss Toni Fisher- It was a never played copy on the original Signet label- I was expecting to finally hear this song in decent fidelity- But to my surprise, it sounded exactly like any radio played version- Like the recording was made on a bad reel to reel with the head alignment off. You can hear it come in and out of phase as the tape moved in and out of the proper head gap area. Amazing. > A few other treasures were some old, mint ABC Paramount and Dot records- what great fidelity! Atco, too. > Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Jun 13 02:55:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25425 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 09:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 09:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.120) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 09:55:09 -0000 Received: from [4.247.209.58] (helo=earthlink.net) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BZRhi-0000pd-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:55:07 -0700 Message-ID: <40CC2469.FE7F8514@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 05:54:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <001101c4511b$e9915840$ecb70642@4bmx301> <40CC1FDE.B382A00F@earthlink.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.120 From: Dick W Subject: Quad Stereo LP Record X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just letting everyone know I am offering a quadraphonic LP record on eBay. I'm not trying to make any money on it - just hate to throw the record out if a collector somewhere would appreciate it. For those who are not familiar with Quadraphonic, (unlike regular stereo LP records which reproduce sound from two separate channels) Quadraphonic permited the reproduction of sound from four separate channels when played on a system designed for quadraphonic sound. (When played on a regular 2-channel stereo player, it produced standard 2-channel stereo.) Dick W. The eBay link is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3821531375 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aalso@netzero.com Sun Jun 13 03:31:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60071 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 10:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 10:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 10:31:15 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([68.218.224.217]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040613103103.FIPK24541.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:31:03 -0400 Message-ID: <40CC2CFD.9040304@netzero.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:31:25 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1086595107.256.90987.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1086595107.256.90987.m12@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.71 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: AMS-G1 WSOS AM 1170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr It's the same SX-1A that was here when you were here.. so yes it's a SX-1A. The Stereo repair and reinstallation went nicely it's back in full stereo with 30db of separation. Due to lightning strikes that took WFOY & WAOC off the air I didn't have the full amount of time I wanted to spend Friday night but I did get the stereo aligned at least from the stereo gen to the transmitter. Saturday night I went in looking for the darn pesky hum I found part of it at was able to drop it by 25db.. But I still want to get it down further I will be working on it more and also realigning the complete audio path from the studio to the transmitter and tweaking the stereo sections of the processor a bit better. Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:23:24 -0700 (PDT) From: JNR Subject: Re: AMS-G1 WSOS AM 1170 They don't have a Harris SX-1A do they? From roy.sandgren@telia.com Sun Jun 13 03:42:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5026 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 10:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 10:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO av2-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net) (81.228.9.108) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 10:42:42 -0000 Received: by av2-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 004DD37E45; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:42:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.178]) by av2-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AF237E44; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:42:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from roy (h155n2fls302o1101.telia.com [81.226.179.155]) by smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BFCE238003; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:41:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000601c45133$4772bbe0$9bb3e251@roy> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:42:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.228.9.108 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: The Offshore Radio Guide The Radioship 603 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable here is the latest of our Radio station of =C5land. We are still waiting of the 25 kW's... http://www.offshore-radio.de/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From roy.sandgren@telia.com Sun Jun 13 03:47:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21914 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 10:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 10:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO av5-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net) (81.228.9.113) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 10:47:04 -0000 Received: by av5-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id A5DC737E7B; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:46:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.178]) by av5-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0A537E42; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:46:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from roy (h155n2fls302o1101.telia.com [81.226.179.155]) by smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FE1438005; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:46:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000b01c45133$e3599f60$9bb3e251@roy> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:47:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.228.9.113 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: The Offshore Radio Guide The Radioship 603 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable here is the latest news of our Radio station of =C5land. We are still waiting of the 25 kW's... http://www.offshore-radio.de/=20 --- File has not been scanned=20 Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.705 / Virus Database: 461 - Release Date: 2004-06-12 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From roy.sandgren@telia.com Sun Jun 13 03:47:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16004 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 10:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 10:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO av3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net) (81.228.9.109) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 10:47:16 -0000 Received: by av3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 97A2C37E82; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:47:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.178]) by av3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA4637E5D; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:47:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from roy (h155n2fls302o1101.telia.com [81.226.179.155]) by smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C9A913800C; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:46:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001c01c45133$fb267500$9bb3e251@roy> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:48:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.228.9.109 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: The Offshore Radio Guide The Radioship 603 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable here is the latest news of our Radio station of =C5land. We are still waiting of the 25 kW's... http://www.offshore-radio.de/=20 --- File has not been scanned=20 Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.705 / Virus Database: 461 - Release Date: 2004-06-12 --- File has not been scanned=20 Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.705 / Virus Database: 461 - Release Date: 2004-06-12 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Jun 13 08:22:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16281 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 15:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 15:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 15:22:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2004 15:22:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:22:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c4511b$e9915840$ecb70642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1602 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.196.134 Subject: Re: speaking of vinyl... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: "The Big Hurt" by Miss Toni Fisher- It was a never played copy on the original Signet label- I was expecting to finally hear this song in decent fidelity- But to my surprise, it sounded exactly like any radio played version- Like the recording was made on a bad reel to reel with the head alignment off. Believe it or not, that was deliberate. That song was recorded one-pass full-track mono, and the producer decided after the fact that Toni's vocal was too low. The engineer was experimenting with various ways of bringing it out, and came up with the idea of duping the track onto another tape and playing them both simultaneously. (How this was supposed to help, I don't know.) The two machines were at slightly different speeds, so the phase differences created this weird "whoosh" effect when one tape passed the other. To bring them back in sync, the engineer would press down slightly on the tape reel flange of the faster deck, slowing it down and creating another whoosh (hence the term flanging). Anyway, they felt that the effect enhanced the song, so that's how it went out. Whether or not the song was a hit because of or in spite of this effect is debatable. But it does appear to have been the invention of flanging, without which "Itchycoo Park" would have never been possible. If it's any consolation, the Signet 45 does sound clearer and fuller than any reissue I've ever come across--for a few passes at least. It's pressed on lousy styrene plastic, so take good care of it. From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Jun 13 08:32:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18110 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 15:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 15:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 15:32:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2004 15:32:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:32:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 682 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.196.134 Subject: {AMSF} Re: New Beach Boys CD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > narkspud wrote: > Would you happen to know what the EQ curve is to use the Graphic EQ in Cool > Edit to fix this? I have played with it some, but would like to get it "Dead > Nuts" right. Does this help any? http://www.bonavolta.ch/hobby/en/audio/riaa.htm BTW, I'm told that "Dead Nuts" right isn't possible with digital, since the curve assumes that it will be added and subtracted by analog circuits. Supposedly the two processes cancel out some non-linearities. I'm not technically-minded enough to know if this is true or just more "painting CD edges green with a Sharpie" stuff. From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Jun 13 08:43:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44040 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 15:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 15:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 15:43:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2004 15:43:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:43:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 873 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.196.134 Subject: {AMSF} Re: CDs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > I have also noticed that the Polar releases of the Abba albums sound better > than the Atlantic. . . . which proves that it's better to work from the original master tapes rather than the analog dubs they ran off for you back in the 70s. However, the Polar CDs (you were talking CDs, right?) also suffer from the mooshed dynamic range and processed highs that we grouse about so much on this board. In particular, "Dance (While the Music Still Goes On)" sounds better on the Atlantic CD despite the big generation loss, in my opinion. That quasi-Phil-Spector sound just doesn't work sounding all pristine and digital in my opinion. Hopefully they'll come out with some nice SACD issues that deliver the best of both worlds--original masters without all the processing. From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Jun 13 08:54:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16402 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 15:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 15:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 15:54:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2004 15:54:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:54:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 937 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.196.134 Subject: {AMSF} Re: New Beach Boys CD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > But although rarely used, there is a pre-emphasis curve that is part > of the official CD standard. A CD player is supposed to recognize > this and apply a matching de-emphasis curve My first CD player (a Magnavox) had an indicator light that came on when the de-emphasis circuit kicked in. It rarely did--only on certain discs manufactured by JVC or Sanyo in Japan. The purpose of the circuit was to tame down the harsh high frequencies that early D-to-A converters could spit out. By the time the format hit the US market, the D-to-A's had improved and the analog de-emphasis was doing more harm than good, so they didn't use it. The current version of Roxio Jam (a Mac program) has the ability to add it to discs you burn. I don't think I've ever even tried it, so I don't know if it does the EQ adjustment or just turns on the flag. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Jun 13 10:30:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66351 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 17:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 17:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52002.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.58) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 17:30:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20040613173039.3923.qmail@web52002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.56.202] by web52002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:30:39 PDT Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:30:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <40CC2CFD.9040304@netzero.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.58 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS-G1 WSOS AM 1170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I never saw it when I was there. I saw WFOY's, WFCF's & WAOC's. WPEP also has an SX-1A but with a KAHN POWERSIDE generator as the exciter. I didn't know that and thought it was on for no good reason so I turned it off and off went the SX-1A. If I knew how, I'd pull the powerside out tomorrow. Is there a C-QUAM stereo exciter on the SX-1A. There doesn't seem to be one. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jun 13 12:58:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25845 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 19:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 19:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.125) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 19:58:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:55:48 -0700 Received: from 206.148.96.127 by bay99-dav21.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:55:47 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:57:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2004 19:55:48.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BE15610:01C45180] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.174.125 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [206.148.96.127] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New Beach Boys CD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 narkspud wrote: > Does this help any? That is what I have been looking for! Thanks a bunch. > >BTW, I'm told that "Dead Nuts" right isn't possible with digital, That sounds like more of the BS from the "Flat Earth" and "33rpm LPs forever" crowd. LOL > > I'm not technically-minded enough to know if this is true or just more "painting CD edges green with a Sharpie" stuff. By painting the edge track with a dark colored sharpie, you can make a CD burner copy a copy protected CD...not that *I* would EVER do such a thing! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Jun 13 13:27:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3000 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 20:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 20:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 20:27:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2004 20:27:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:27:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 408 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Sotiris" X-Originating-IP: 194.219.66.178 Subject: AM Stereo equipments on Ebay! 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P.O.Box 14386 Athens 11510 GREECE Tel : +30 210 7719 544 Fax : +30 210 7714 983 From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Jun 13 13:59:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46119 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 20:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 20:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 20:59:16 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.34] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:59:13 -0600 Message-ID: <005401c45189$f2e24120$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20040613173039.3923.qmail@web52002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:03:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2004 20:59:14.0407 (UTC) FILETIME=[48A09770:01C45189] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS-G1 WSOS AM 1170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The SX series is very similar to the Gates versions. Doubtless the Kahn generator is connected to the oscillator/divider board inside the SX-1. All you'd have to do is transfer the cable from the Kahn generator to a CQuAM one. You'll want to do it with the transmitter off and the output of the generator set for minimum. The multimeter on the SX-1 should be reading RF drive, then bring up the output from the generator til it matches the readings it was giving you with the Kahn unit hooked up, after which you may turn the TX back on. Of course there's a whole lot more to it in making it right for stereo operation, but you'll have your RF drive. If you wanted to pull the Kahn out now without waiting til you get the CQuAM equipment, there's a jumper plug right by the BNC connector which will restore the transmitter's internal oscillator by moving it over one notch. Just turn off the TX before doing that too- losing RF drive can pop those rather expensive FETs inside. The SX-1 did not come with CQuAM as a standard feature. BE was the only one to do that, AFAIK. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > I never saw it when I was there. I saw WFOY's, > WFCF's & WAOC's. WPEP also has an SX-1A but with > a KAHN POWERSIDE generator as the exciter. I > didn't know that and thought it was on for no > good reason so I turned it off and off went the > SX-1A. If I knew how, I'd pull the powerside out > tomorrow. Is there a C-QUAM stereo exciter on > the SX-1A. There doesn't seem to be one. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Jun 13 14:05:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36583 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 21:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 21:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 21:05:58 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.34] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:05:56 -0600 Message-ID: <005e01c4518a$e304dd20$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:10:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2004 21:05:57.0201 (UTC) FILETIME=[38B61410:01C4518A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CDs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Was that ever recorded in stereo? It would have to be a re-recording if it did as it was originally released when you could still buy 78s, but I also thought I was hearing stereo when I heard it on the MOYL station in Aitkin (stereo 930 KKIN) a few years back. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > > While "Swedish Rhapsody > (Midsummer Vigil)" is in Mono, the dynamic range and fidelity will still > blow your socks off. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Jun 13 14:10:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43638 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 21:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 21:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 21:10:05 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.34] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:10:03 -0600 Message-ID: <006401c4518b$7668cc20$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:14:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2004 21:10:04.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC10DB50:01C4518A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCBS/KABL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Supposedly Kahn will be testing it on some 10 stations- the one you'd be most apt to hear is KRVN 880 out of NE. Testing hasn't begun, AFAIK. Tom Ray of WOR is a big naysayer about CAM-D and will have his comments to that effect in an upcoming Radio World. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Does anyone know if that Cam-D system is advancing anywhere? It just > may be AM's saving grace if it's all Kahn says it is. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 13 14:22:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13095 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 21:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 21:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 21:22:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2004 21:22:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:22:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1046 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.1 Subject: Re: CDs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > In particular, "Dance (While the Music Still Goes On)" sounds > better on the Atlantic CD despite the big generation loss, in my > opinion. That quasi-Phil-Spector sound just doesn't work > sounding all pristine and digital in my opinion. I've never encountered a re-issue ABBA CD that sounds as good as it should. "ABBA Gold" from 1992 is fairly good, but the newer "ABBA Remasters" CDs are downright horrible. Their early songs like "Waterloo" were already pretty squashed to begin with, so when you add digital clipping on top of analog compression, all you get is distorted mush. And it's almost laughable when I see a "Digitally Remastered" CD of ABBA's last album "The Visitors". It was recorded digitally to begin with in 1981, so therefore any "digital remastering" of a digital recording is completely redundant, and only serves to reduce the quality and dynamic range. The first CD release by Polydor in 1983 (made in Germany) is the only one which is a direct, pristine transfer of the original digital master. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jun 13 14:23:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53551 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 21:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 21:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 21:23:49 -0000 Received: from 127-pool1.ras10.floca.alerondial.net ([206.148.96.127] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BZcRM-0005m8-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:22:56 -0400 Message-ID: <015801c4518c$976ad9d0$7f6094ce@PossumHunter> To: References: <005e01c4518a$e304dd20$d503fea9@home1> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:22:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.69.200.63 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CDs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > Was that ever recorded in stereo? As far as I know, "Swedish Rhapsody" was not recorded in Stereo. > >I also thought I was hearing stereo when I heard it on the MOYL station in Aitkin MOYL might have a stereo version on one of their CDs then. Hmmmmmm. I know the TM Century Gold Drive version is Mono. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 13 14:30:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19121 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 21:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 21:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 21:30:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2004 21:30:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:30:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1055 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.1 Subject: Re: New Beach Boys CD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > By painting the edge track with a dark colored sharpie, you can > make a CD burner copy a copy protected CD...not that *I* would EVER > do such a thing! My CD of Westlife's "World Of Our Own" album claims to have "Cactus Data Shield" copy protection on the disc, but it actually doesn't. It turns out, the original batch of these copy-protected CDs generated so many complaints from listeners who couldn't play it on their computer's CD-ROM drive (just to listen to it -- not even to copy it), that the record company quickly yanked off the copy protection (and I believe even offered to replace the early copy- protected discs), but didn't change the artwork to remove the Cactus Data Shield logo. Also, copy-protected CDs do NOT meet the official "Red Book" CD standard, and therefore cannot contain the official "Compact Disc Digital Audio" logo on the casing or the disc itself. If you have a CD which doesn't have the CD logo on it, it may be copy-protected, or might have been in a previous release (like this Westlife disc). From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jun 13 14:47:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10500 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 21:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 21:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 21:47:30 -0000 Received: from 127-pool1.ras10.floca.alerondial.net ([206.148.96.127] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BZcp7-0000TJ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:47:29 -0400 Message-ID: <017701c45190$055b5a70$7f6094ce@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:47:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.69.200.63 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CDs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin T. wrote: > I've never encountered a re-issue ABBA CD that sounds as good as it should. Give a listen to Abba's "Pa Svenska" (Polar B00004S41R) It sounds MUCH better than some of the other re-issues. The main reason is Polar didn't use as much compression on their Swedish language masters. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jun 13 15:02:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95795 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 22:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 22:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 22:02:17 -0000 Received: from 127-pool1.ras10.floca.alerondial.net ([206.148.96.127] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BZd3E-00026e-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:02:05 -0400 Message-ID: <018401c45192$0f76b750$7f6094ce@PossumHunter> To: References: <006401c4518b$7668cc20$d503fea9@home1> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:02:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.69.200.63 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCBS/KABL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote" >Tom Ray of WOR is a big naysayer about CAM-D and will have his comments to that effect in an upcoming Radio World. While I have no doubt that "Ol' Lenny" can and will make CAM-D work, if history is a lesson, he will make it too expensive for radio stations to adopt, few receivers will be manufactured, Kahn will piss off ALL of the wrong people, and the technically superior CAM-D system will go into the same dust bin of radio history the superior ISB Stereo system now rests in and the World will forever hear IBOC hash on their radios... just like we now hear platform motion on the few remaining C-QUAM stations. Now the ONLY way to hear "AM Stereo that isn't afraid of the dark" is on a few Part 15 stations and a couple of illegal Kahn stations Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 13 15:53:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82855 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 22:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 22:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 22:53:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2004 22:52:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:52:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <018401c45192$0f76b750$7f6094ce@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 833 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.1 Subject: Re: IBOC vs. Cam-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > While I have no doubt that "Ol' Lenny" can and will make CAM-D > work, if history is a lesson, he will make it too expensive for > radio stations to adopt, few receivers will be manufactured, Kahn > will piss off ALL of the wrong people, and the technically superior > CAM-D system will go into the same dust bin of radio history the > superior ISB Stereo system now rests in and the World will forever > hear IBOC hash on their radios... The ideal solution would be to take the best of both systems and combine the technology to form one new optimized system, rather than remaining beholden to corporate interests which will force us to choose the lesser (or greater) of two evils. But the bad thing is, such an approach would require the work of engineers, and there are no engineers left in the FCC -- just politicians. From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sun Jun 13 21:09:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59026 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2004 04:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2004 04:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2004 04:09:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2004 04:09:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 04:09:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 278 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 207.69.139.145 Subject: {AMSF} Re: CDs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 > > Are you comparing it to the "real" Atlantic release, or the newer AOL-Warner I'm comparing it with the original Atlantic release. I also have the original "Rock & Soul Pt. 1" and the MFSL CD of "Voices". Also, I'm using a Pioneer stand-alone CD-recorder. Tom From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Jun 13 21:27:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8081 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2004 04:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2004 04:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52002.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.58) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2004 04:27:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20040614042728.38884.qmail@web52002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.41.125] by web52002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:27:28 PDT Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:27:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005401c45189$f2e24120$d503fea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.58 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS-G1 WSOS AM 1170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Thank you! I'll try that the next time I go down to the site! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 14 10:39:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82565 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2004 17:39:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2004 17:39:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2004 17:39:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2004 17:38:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:38:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 119 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "K8DAD" X-Originating-IP: 209.45.202.244 Subject: If you want to comment on IBOC on AM, do it today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Today's your last chance to post your suggestions on nighttime IBOC AM broadcasting at the FCC ECFS MM docket 99-325 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 14 14:20:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44984 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2004 21:20:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2004 21:20:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2004 21:20:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2004 21:19:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:19:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 280 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.15 Subject: Kahn's latest FCC filing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Ol' Lenny ain't giving up yet: http://tinyurl.com/2mxob Interestingly, he has begun calling his system the "Cam-D IBOC system"... so he wants it to be taken seriously as a competitor to iBiquity's "HD Radio" IBOC system, which he calls "IBOC-ui", for "Under Investigation". From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Jun 14 23:28:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5896 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2004 06:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2004 06:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 06:28:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2004 06:27:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 06:27:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 789 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.202.112.74 Subject: WABC Rewound Wideband X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Airchexx.com has posted airchecks of the 2004 WABC Rewound, as recorded off my Bell & Howell Model 2397 portable (circa 1968). http://radio-info.com/airchexx/wabc-rewound.html To be able to really see the difference between the poorly designed radios of today vs quality receivers from the 1960's and 1970's one only has to sample the 2003 recordings of Rewound on the site. It's like night and day. The samples were recorded out of the headphone jack right into Cool Edit with the treble turned up a tad. That is the ONLY EQ of these airchecks. For it's wonderful frequency response, the radio is fairly selective. Goes to show what a little thought can do when designing a radio. There are probably plenty of portables from the same time period that perform as well. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 00:44:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3014 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2004 07:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2004 07:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 07:44:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2004 07:43:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:43:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 734 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.8 Subject: Re: WABC Rewound Wideband X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Airchexx.com has posted airchecks of the 2004 WABC Rewound, as > recorded off my Bell & Howell Model 2397 portable (circa 1968). > > http://radio-info.com/airchexx/wabc-rewound.html In their latest FCC filing, iBiquity says music listeners started abandoning AM for FM "40 years ago". Jumping the gun a bit, aren't they? 40 years ago, about all you could find on FM were Classical and Beautiful Music stations. It wasn't really until the Disco craze that FM started overtaking AM for listenership of popular music formats. And now it's coming full circle -- as FM has essentially given up on any music recorded prior to 1964, "Real Oldies"-type formats are reappearing on the AM dial -- WITHOUT any help from IBOC. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 00:48:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40118 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2004 07:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2004 07:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 07:48:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2004 07:48:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:48:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 429 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.8 Subject: WBZ audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I'm amazed at how lousy 1030 WBZ sounds these days, even at night with the IBOC turned off. I know they're using a 5 kHz audio filter, but it's among the muddiest 5 kHz audio I've ever heard. I wonder if they are even using _any_ pre-emphasis, as the treble response is simply non-existent, even on a wideband radio. It's quite a shame, as WBZ used to be one of the best-sounding AM Stereo stations in the Boston area. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 15 04:11:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45505 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2004 11:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2004 11:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 11:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.12.47 with login) by smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 11:09:20 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c452c8$b3e9d740$d56bfea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:05:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.184 From: Subject: 10-Q 1030 AM STEREO Folsom Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I found some thing that i thought i had lost. It was a pumper sticker black and wihte in the shape of a yellow cotoin sing with a black stripe around the ege. And it has on it "The Rock 10-Q 1030 Am Stereo" and this to was from Folsom Ca. Before that it was KHWY 1030 AM Stereo Folsom Ca. Thay were only 10-Q for a short time and then went dart. But both country and rock sounded great on that one in the late 80's. Sorry can't scan. It was a sceemer !!!!!Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Jun 15 08:47:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28031 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2004 15:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2004 15:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 15:47:02 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-221-134.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.221.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5FFkrHF060230 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000101c452f0$003098b0$6401a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <001101c4511b$e9915840$ecb70642@4bmx301> <40CC1FDE.B382A00F@earthlink.net> <40CC2469.FE7F8514@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:52:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Quad Stereo LP Record X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Speaking of quad records.. I have a few promotional copies of 45's on Columbia records that have the stereo version on one side and matrix quad version on the other side. To the best of my knowledge, no record label ever sold any quadraphonic 45's, but since the Columbia "matrix" quad also worked on FM radio, they started servicing FM stations with Quad singles (for a VERY short period of time). I don't know how it was decoded on the other end. One quadraphonic-single that comes to mind is Garfunkle's "All I Know" from 1973. The labels that had the competing discreet quad never released any singles in quad that I was aware of. Everyone thought it would be a long protracted battle between matrix and discreet, but neither lasted too long. The discreet was, naturally the best. The matrix version is similar in many ways to Dolby Pro Logic. I had forgotten about quad... Kind of like the 8 track... It sounded like a good idea at the time. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 09:52:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82247 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2004 16:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2004 16:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 16:52:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2004 16:52:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:52:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1473 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: best digitally-tuned walkmans for converting to AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key What are some good walkman-type radios for converting to AMS? I definitely would like one that's digitally tuned (so it'll be easier to tune than my SRF-42), be more sensitive by at least several dB than my SRF-42 (for example, a couple miles south of El Cajon, CA, where I live, KDIS 1110 is barely detectable, and KSDO 1130 bleeds over it fairly bad - I'd like something that makes KDIS on that one sound more like KNX or KFI on the SRF-42, and with the Select-A-Tenna would be a city-grade signal with close to the dynamic range (dB, not kHz) of a CD), better selectivity (so I can get the aforementioned KDIS without any cross-talk from KSDO), at least as good of an audio quality (switchable between wide & narrow would be nice so I can pull in weak stations 10kHz separated from strong locals). While I may not be able to get a super powerful radio, what can I get with digital tuning that is AT LEAST as good as the SRF-42 if not better (especially selectivity - I have a Select-A-Tenna so sensitivity only needs to be "on par" with the SRF42) so I can modify it for AM Stereo? I've been thinking about trying to figure out how to modify my Panasonic Shockwave RQ-SW20, but the sensitivity is not quite as good, and the selectivity AND audio bandwidth is atrocious. I'd prefer one that includes either a CD (with MP3) player, cassette player, or mp3 player (either hard disk or removable flash memory). One that has recording capabilities would be a plus, too. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 10:01:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45973 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2004 17:01:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2004 17:01:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 17:01:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2004 17:01:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:01:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040608030605.4411.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 615 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: If you're in range of WJR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Not only am I not receiving a pilot on 760, I'm having trouble receiving WJR at ALL here from El Cajon, CA. Any suggestions? I have an SRF-42 and a Select-A-Tenna. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > AMS'ers: please check 760 KHz tonight (Monday nite). If you are not receiving > a pilot from WJR, please go to the WJR website ("contact us") and please leave > them an email reminder to switch it back on -thanks! > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Jun 15 10:24:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21490 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2004 17:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2004 17:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.120) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 17:24:49 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.209.196.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.209.196] helo=earthlink.net) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BaHg0-0004BS-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:24:49 -0700 Message-ID: <40CF30E3.BF6683BD@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:24:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <001101c4511b$e9915840$ecb70642@4bmx301> <40CC1FDE.B382A00F@earthlink.net> <40CC2469.FE7F8514@earthlink.net> <000101c452f0$003098b0$6401a8c0@jimspc> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.120 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Quad Stereo LP Record X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recall that here in the Tampa area we had a "free-form" rock FM station that promoted itself as "Quad 104-1/2" (it was 104.5 mhz on the FM dial). It was a very popular station among the younger people in the 1970s, but only because of its format. I doubt that any of them had quad receivers. Dick W. Jim Burgan wrote: > Speaking of quad records.. I have a few promotional copies of 45's on > Columbia records that have the stereo version on one side and matrix quad > version on the other side. > To the best of my knowledge, no record label ever sold any quadraphonic > 45's, but since the Columbia "matrix" quad also worked on FM radio, they > started servicing FM stations with Quad singles (for a VERY short period of > time). I don't know how it was decoded on the other end. > One quadraphonic-single that comes to mind is Garfunkle's "All I Know" from > 1973. > The labels that had the competing discreet quad never released any singles > in quad that I was aware of. Everyone thought it would be a long protracted > battle between matrix and discreet, but neither lasted too long. The > discreet was, naturally the best. The matrix version is similar in many > ways to Dolby Pro Logic. > I had forgotten about quad... Kind of like the 8 track... It sounded like a > good idea at the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Jun 15 11:02:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53412 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2004 18:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2004 18:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.130) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 18:02:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:02:22 -0700 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:02:22 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:02:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2004 18:02:22.0428 (UTC) FILETIME=[E83899C0:01C45302] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.130 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: If you're in range of WJR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Wow, that would be quite the prize. I've picked up WJR as far south as Ocala, FL, on a car radio weakly in mono. You might try using a large loop antenna. Paul Crane >From: "pianoplayer88key" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: If you're in range of WJR >Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:01:25 -0000 > >Not only am I not receiving a pilot on 760, I'm having trouble >receiving WJR at ALL here from El Cajon, CA. Any suggestions? I have >an SRF-42 and a Select-A-Tenna. > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." >wrote: > > AMS'ers: please check 760 KHz tonight (Monday nite). If you are not >receiving > > a pilot from WJR, please go to the WJR website ("contact us") and >please leave > > them an email reminder to switch it back on -thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Jun 15 11:10:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28855 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2004 18:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2004 18:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 18:10:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:10:04 -0700 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:10:04 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:10:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2004 18:10:04.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBD8C030:01C45303] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.38 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Quad Stereo LP Record X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane OK, I'll date myself a bit. I remember seeing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon on quad vinyl but didn't have the stereo for it. I believe Sansui produced a quad stereo unit in the mid-70's. I did own an quad 8-track of various moyl singers/bands covering Beatles songs. Only having a stardard 8-track unit, I could only listen to 2 tracks at a time. Channels 1 & 3 and 2 & 4 were the pairs needed to hear the entire song. Once in a great while, I'll see some of these special 8-tracks in a thrift store. Paul Crane >From: Dick W >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Quad Stereo LP Record >Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:24:51 -0400 > >I recall that here in the Tampa area we had a "free-form" rock FM station >that >promoted itself as "Quad 104-1/2" (it was 104.5 mhz on the FM dial). It >was a >very popular station among the younger people in the 1970s, but only >because of >its format. I doubt that any of them had quad receivers. >Dick W. > >Jim Burgan wrote: > > > Speaking of quad records.. I have a few promotional copies of 45's on > > Columbia records that have the stereo version on one side and matrix >quad > > version on the other side. > > To the best of my knowledge, no record label ever sold any quadraphonic > > 45's, but since the Columbia "matrix" quad also worked on FM radio, they > > started servicing FM stations with Quad singles (for a VERY short period >of > > time). I don't know how it was decoded on the other end. > > One quadraphonic-single that comes to mind is Garfunkle's "All I Know" >from > > 1973. > > The labels that had the competing discreet quad never released any >singles > > in quad that I was aware of. Everyone thought it would be a long >protracted > > battle between matrix and discreet, but neither lasted too long. The > > discreet was, naturally the best. The matrix version is similar in many > > ways to Dolby Pro Logic. > > I had forgotten about quad... Kind of like the 8 track... It sounded >like a > > good idea at the time. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 12:54:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51426 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2004 19:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2004 19:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 19:54:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2004 19:52:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:52:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1604 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: {AMSF} Re: If you're in range of WJR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Part of my problem is that 760 KFMB is receivable on groundwave with a clear signal even with the cheapest radio and (possibly even lack of) antenna, and it completely wipes out WJR's groundwave (and skywave, too) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" wrote: > Wow, that would be quite the prize. I've picked up WJR as far south as=20 > Ocala, FL, on a car radio weakly in mono. You might try using a large loop=20 > antenna. >=20 > Paul Crane >=20 >=20 > >From: "pianoplayer88key" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: {AMSF} Re: If you're in range of WJR > >Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:01:25 -0000 > > > >Not only am I not receiving a pilot on 760, I'm having trouble > >receiving WJR at ALL here from El Cajon, CA. Any suggestions? I have > >an SRF-42 and a Select-A-Tenna. > > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > >wrote: > > > AMS'ers: please check 760 KHz tonight (Monday nite). If you are not > >receiving > > > a pilot from WJR, please go to the WJR website ("contact us") and > >please leave > > > them an email reminder to switch it back on -thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee=AE= =20 > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3D3963 From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Jun 15 17:24:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89989 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 00:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 00:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 00:24:54 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.200] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:24:51 -0600 Message-ID: <002101c45339$046e5f40$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:29:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2004 00:24:52.0544 (UTC) FILETIME=[578E6400:01C45338] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} best digitally-tuned walkmans for converting to AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear again. You forgot the most obvious question- which walkman has enough room to even add a decoder? Not many, I suspect. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > What are some good walkman-type radios for converting to AMS? I > definitely would like one that's digitally tuned (so it'll be easier > to tune than my SRF-42), be more sensitive by at least several dB than > my SRF-42 (for example, a couple miles south of El Cajon, CA, where I > live, KDIS 1110 is barely detectable, and KSDO 1130 bleeds over it > fairly bad - I'd like something that makes KDIS on that one sound more > like KNX or KFI on the SRF-42, and with the Select-A-Tenna would be a > city-grade signal with close to the dynamic range (dB, not kHz) of a > CD), better selectivity (so I can get the aforementioned KDIS without > any cross-talk from KSDO), at least as good of an audio quality > (switchable between wide & narrow would be nice so I can pull in weak > stations 10kHz separated from strong locals). From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Jun 15 17:28:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23745 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 00:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 00:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 00:28:46 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.200] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:28:44 -0600 Message-ID: <002901c45339$8f67c3c0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:33:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2004 00:28:45.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2830D90:01C45338] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: If you're in range of WJR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you've got a local on 760 you don't stand a snowball's chance in you-know-where of ever hearing WJR unless the local drops off the air at the same time propagation is EXCEPTIONALLY good. Ever thought of taking a vacation to the midwest? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" Part of my problem is that 760 KFMB is receivable on groundwave with a clear signal even with the cheapest radio and (possibly even lack of) antenna, and it completely wipes out WJR's groundwave (and skywave, too) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" wrote: > Wow, that would be quite the prize. I've picked up WJR as far south as > Ocala, FL, on a car radio weakly in mono. You might try using a large loop > antenna. > >From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > >Not only am I not receiving a pilot on 760, I'm having trouble > >receiving WJR at ALL here from El Cajon, CA. Any suggestions? I have > >an SRF-42 and a Select-A-Tenna. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 17:46:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4180 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 00:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 00:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 00:46:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2004 00:46:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:46:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000101c452f0$003098b0$6401a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2221 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.13 Subject: Re: Quad Stereo LP Record X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > To the best of my knowledge, no record label ever sold any > quadraphonic 45's, but since the Columbia "matrix" quad also worked > on FM radio, they started servicing FM stations with Quad singles > (for a VERY short period of time). I don't know how it was decoded > on the other end. I have one SQ Quadraphonic LP. From the way it sounds during standard stereo playback, it seems that the rear-channel audio is matrixed into the main audio, with but a sense of left-to-right directionality; i.e. "out-of-phase left" in the stereo domain becomes "left rear" when decoded, and "out-of-phase right" becomes "right rear" when decoded. Dolby Pro Logic II probably uses a similar method to achieve left- to-right separation of its matrixed rear/surround channel audio. (Standard Dolby Surround is basically just a matrixed system with a single rear surround channel, while Pro Logic adds some extra capabilities to the decoder to achieve more accurate separation between the channels.) > One quadraphonic-single that comes to mind is Garfunkle's "All I > Know" from 1973. I have an MP3 of the supposedly quadraphonic version of "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" by Steely Dan. The "Chicago II" double-LP mentions a "Quadraphonic Re-Mix Engineer" in the credits, but plays as standard stereo. > I had forgotten about quad... Kind of like the 8 track... It > sounded like a good idea at the time. Of course, there were quad 8-tracks, too, which gave you two programs of four discrete audio channels each. Some luxury cars like Lincoln and Cadillac even had a quadraphonic 8-track sound system as an option -- and surprisingly, it took automakers nearly two decades to reapproach the idea of multi-channel automotive audio systems, with in-vehicle 5.1 Surround Sound speaker setups only being introduced just a few years ago. But remember how many cars had a single center dash speaker for the base-model AM mono radio, in addition to a pair of stereo speakers on the front doors (or each side of the dashboard)? I guess no one ever though of using that dormant center-channel speaker to offer three- speaker Dolby Stereo, or even full Dolby Surround Sound with an extra pair of rear speakers. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 17:59:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78866 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 00:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 00:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 00:59:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2004 00:57:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:57:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1191 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.13 Subject: Re: Quad Stereo LP Record X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I did own an quad 8-track of various moyl singers/bands covering > Beatles songs. Only having a stardard 8-track unit, I could only > listen to 2 tracks at a time. Channels 1 & 3 and 2 & 4 were the > pairs needed to hear the entire song. Once in a great while, I'll > see some of these special 8-tracks in a thrift store. They're easy to identify, with the "joystick" speaker balance control. Even the cheapest '70s stereo systems often offered "rear" speaker outputs, but unless the unit had a true 4-channel amplifier, these just duplicated the front speaker outputs, perhaps with an extra resistor to make the audio level a little lower than the front speakers. But 8-tracks were a pretty crappy format anyway. It was physically impossible to rewind the tape, and with the limited playing time, pre-recorded tapes often switched tracks right in the middle of a song. And the pinch-roller on the tape would wear out quickly, making it sound more and more "warbly" until it eventually became unlistenable. As of August 1998, though, I found that you could still walk into a record store in Nashville and buy "new" cellophane-wrapped 8-track tapes for 25 cents each! From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 15 18:18:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46306 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 01:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 01:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 01:18:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2004 01:17:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:17:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1347 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 68.123.98.158 Subject: Re: Quad Stereo LP Record X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I did own an quad 8-track of various moyl singers/bands covering > > Beatles songs. Only having a stardard 8-track unit, I could only > > listen to 2 tracks at a time. Channels 1 & 3 and 2 & 4 were the > > pairs needed to hear the entire song. Once in a great while, I'll > > see some of these special 8-tracks in a thrift store. > > They're easy to identify, with the "joystick" speaker balance > control. > > Even the cheapest '70s stereo systems often offered "rear" speaker > outputs, but unless the unit had a true 4-channel amplifier, these > just duplicated the front speaker outputs, perhaps with an extra > resistor to make the audio level a little lower than the front > speakers. > > But 8-tracks were a pretty crappy format anyway. It was physically > impossible to rewind the tape, and with the limited playing time, > pre-recorded tapes often switched tracks right in the middle of a > song. And the pinch-roller on the tape would wear out quickly, > making it sound more and more "warbly" until it eventually became > unlistenable. > > As of August 1998, though, I found that you could still walk into a > record store in Nashville and buy "new" cellophane-wrapped 8-track > tapes for 25 cents each! Hi Gang Why?!?!?! Jim Smith From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 18:44:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57883 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 01:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 01:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 01:44:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2004 01:44:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:44:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101c45339$046e5f40$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 893 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.13 Subject: Re: best digitally-tuned walkmans for converting to AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear again. You forgot > the most obvious question- which walkman has enough room to even > add a decoder? Not many, I suspect. If you give up use of the cassette player (which, if it's an older model, is probably broken by now anyway), there would be plenty of room. Or, in the rare case that it has a built-in speaker, removing the speaker might give enough room to squeeze in one of Chris's MC13028 decoder boards. But with digital-tuning "walkmans", one common problem is that of synthesizer noise. I've tried several walkmans where all you hear on "blank" AM channels is a constant buzz or whine. Even on Panasonic's RF-HS90 walkman from Japan with built-in AM Stereo, on weak signals sometimes a buzzing noise leaks in, especially in stereo mode. It seems to not happen as much when the batteries are fully charged, though. From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Jun 15 18:48:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18709 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 01:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 01:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 01:48:27 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040616014814.SECE14797.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:48:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:48:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3B778794-BF37-11D8-8E92-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.29 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Quad Stereo LP Record X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 8-tracks were not nearly that bad. I still have some prerecorded ones=20 and some I recorded myself years ago that play fine today. Radio=20 stations used carts, 4-track type cartridges with only two channels,=20 for music and commercials for years. As with all tapes, cheap design=20 makes for problems, but my early 8-tracks play much better (and were=20 played far more) than my not-as-early cassettes. The only real problem=20 with 8-tracks is the size and the fast-forward-only design of endless=20 loop tape. The "massive" size allowed for decks to be quite well-built, by the=20 way. The belt on my 1970s era Pioneer H-R100 is still original, and no=20 parts have ever been changed. My cassette decks from various brands=20 have all needed belt changes at least once. Of course all I listen to now is my iPod ... Richard On Tuesday, June 15, 2004, at 06:17 PM, jim smith wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > I did own an quad 8-track of various moyl singers/bands covering > > > Beatles songs.=A0 Only having a stardard 8-track unit, I could only > > > listen to 2 tracks at a time.=A0 Channels 1 & 3 and 2 & 4 were the > > > pairs needed to hear the entire song.=A0 Once in a great while, I'll > > > see some of these special 8-tracks in a thrift store. > > > > They're easy to identify, with the "joystick" speaker balance > > control. > > > > Even the cheapest '70s stereo systems often offered "rear" speaker > > outputs, but unless the unit had a true 4-channel amplifier, these > > just duplicated the front speaker outputs, perhaps with an extra > > resistor to make the audio level a little lower than the front > > speakers. > > > > But 8-tracks were a pretty crappy format anyway.=A0 It was physically > > impossible to rewind the tape, and with the limited playing time, > > pre-recorded tapes often switched tracks right in the middle of a > > song.=A0 And the pinch-roller on the tape would wear out quickly, > > making it sound more and more "warbly" until it eventually became > > unlistenable. > > > > As of August 1998, though, I found that you could still walk into a > > record store in Nashville and buy "new" cellophane-wrapped 8-track > > tapes for 25 cents each! > Hi Gang=A0=A0=A0 Why?!?!?!=A0 Jim Smith > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Tue Jun 15 20:57:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57015 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 03:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 03:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 03:57:26 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5G3vLw0000557 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:57:24 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:57:21 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Interesting discussion about IBOC at: http://groups.google.com/groups?num=25&hl=en&group=rec.radio.broadcasting Is David Eduardo the only person in America, besides those with deep pockets at iBiquity, who has anything decent to say about it? From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 16 00:34:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97009 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 07:34:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 07:34:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 07:34:48 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.178.112]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 03:37:17 -0400 Message-ID: <005001c45374$5fb314a0$70b20642@4bmx301> To: References: <002101c45339$046e5f40$d503fea9@home1> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 03:34:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} best digitally-tuned walkmans for converting to AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have at least 12 different digital am stereo walkmans- None of them are acceptable as DXing radios due to what Scott mentioned- MPU noise. None of them have good or excellent audio performance, either. Your best bet is to find another SRF-A42. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 16 00:40:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6082 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 07:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 07:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 07:40:14 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.178.112]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 03:42:43 -0400 Message-ID: <006001c45375$21f06c20$70b20642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 03:40:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: best digitally-tuned walkmans for converting to AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Converting an existing walkman is not very successful. The decoder does not like the 3 volts available in most of these, and using a DC to DC converter, like many of the JDM digital walkmen causes all kinds of interference. Looking inside of an Aiwa tiny digital walkman, such as the CRDS805 shows a lot of shielding used, and even then, there is a lot of noise as mentioned- not to mention muddy audio. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 01:07:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60446 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 08:07:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 08:07:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 08:07:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2004 08:07:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:07:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005001c45374$5fb314a0$70b20642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 910 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: best digitally-tuned walkmans for converting to AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I have at least 12 different digital am stereo walkmans- None of them are acceptable as DXing radios due to what Scott mentioned- MPU noise. None of them have good or excellent audio performance, either. Your best bet is to find another SRF-A42. > Chris > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I have an SRF-42. I'd just like something that's easier to tune (hence the digital tuning, but a properly working dial that doesn't feel like it's "slipping" for lack of a better term would probably be ok), and, more importantly, more selective (retaining the same audio response out to approx 10kHz), and more sensitive. I would like to be able to receive KDIS 1110 with a near-city-grade signal on groundwave, and I'm fairly close to KSDO 1130 (within several miles) and KDIS in the daytime is barely detectable. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 01:10:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11593 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 08:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 08:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 08:10:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20040616081044.52948.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:10:44 PDT Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:10:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1087372615.321.98228.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.46 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The best one(not a walkman) is the SRF A300 for dxing or the 100,as for the station on 760kHz the radio can be held on an angle to null the local and the distant one can be heard underneath but doubt it would be in stereo however. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Message: 17 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 03:34:34 -0400 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: best digitally-tuned walkmans for converting to AMS? I have at least 12 different digital am stereo walkmans- None of them are acceptable as DXing radios due to what Scott mentioned- MPU noise. None of them have good or excellent audio performance, either. Your best bet is to find another SRF-A42. Chris === message truncated === Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 01:14:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45176 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 08:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 08:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 08:14:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2004 08:14:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:14:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006001c45375$21f06c20$70b20642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1404 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: {AMSF} Re: best digitally-tuned walkmans for converting to AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key ok then... what's a good way (on a limited budget) to get a portable AMS radio that I can carry with me so i can listen to it using headphones while I'm not sitting in one place? (btw stringing out 100s of feet of headphone cord would get tangled fairly quickly, and I'm not aware of any <$250 wireless closed-cup headphones that still have a 96dB signal to noise ratio with a +/-2dB frequency response of 4Hz-32kHz at a distance of 1 to 1.5 miles) I would like something that I can walk around with, basically, and not have to carry a select-a-tenna with me (so it's going to need to be very sensitive) as I'll be using my hands for doing whatever I'm doing, not fiddling with the antenna (although I'll probably be tuning the radio occasionally as I grow tired of listening to each one of the 117 channels available on groundwave from my location... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Converting an existing walkman is not very successful. The decoder does not like the 3 volts available in most of these, and using a DC to DC converter, like many of the JDM digital walkmen causes all kinds of interference. Looking inside of an Aiwa tiny digital walkman, such as the CRDS805 shows a lot of shielding used, and even then, there is a lot of noise as mentioned- not to mention muddy audio. > Chris > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 01:19:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94441 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 08:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 08:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 08:19:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2004 08:19:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:19:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040616081044.52948.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1667 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I've been thinking about getting an A300 for the last few months. I can't afford it right now... hopefully by mid/late July or sometime in August, though..... but I'd like to try one in person before I buy it. I want to know for sure if it will be able to get a better signal on 1110 KDIS without getting any adjacent-channel splatter from 1130 KSDO while still retaining a treble response out to about 10kHz (or comparable to my SRF-42) for example. A lot of my DX'ing is groundwave out from under strong adjacent-channel locals. Do you (or anyone know) how the A300 compares to the SRF-42 on audio bandwidth, selectivity, and sensitivity? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > The best one(not a walkman) is the SRF A300 for dxing or the 100,as for the station on 760kHz the radio can be held on an angle to null the local and the distant one can be heard underneath but doubt it would be in stereo however. > > Michael > > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 03:34:34 -0400 > From: "Chris Cuff" > Subject: Re: best digitally-tuned walkmans for converting to AMS? > > I have at least 12 different digital am stereo walkmans- None of them > are acceptable as DXing radios due to what Scott mentioned- MPU noise. > None of them have good or excellent audio performance, either. Your best > bet is to find another SRF-A42. > Chris > > > > === message truncated === > > Michael&Ross > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 01:23:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62663 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 08:23:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 08:23:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 08:23:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2004 08:23:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:23:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040616081044.52948.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1734 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key One use I might have for a larger portable like the SRF-A300 is recording music off of KDIS. With my '42 now (without using a Select-A-Tenna) the signal is barely detectable, with 1130 splattering over it quite badly. I'd like to get a good enough signal (with the select-a-tenna) so that I have a signal-to-noise ratio comparable to a CD. I don't mind spending the $ for CDs when I can afford them, but I like custom CDs, and because of personal/family reasons I'd have to scrape the labels off of commercially produced CDs (I have yet to find any big-name CDs that were recorded straight onto a recordable CD (or whatever the big guys use then put in a jewel case without a label on the CD itself and sold) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > The best one(not a walkman) is the SRF A300 for dxing or the 100,as for the station on 760kHz the radio can be held on an angle to null the local and the distant one can be heard underneath but doubt it would be in stereo however. > > Michael > > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 03:34:34 -0400 > From: "Chris Cuff" > Subject: Re: best digitally-tuned walkmans for converting to AMS? > > I have at least 12 different digital am stereo walkmans- None of them > are acceptable as DXing radios due to what Scott mentioned- MPU noise. > None of them have good or excellent audio performance, either. Your best > bet is to find another SRF-A42. > Chris > > > > === message truncated === > > Michael&Ross > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Jun 16 04:32:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4354 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 11:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 11:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 11:32:32 -0000 Received: from storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 18127105E6; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA11860; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:32:30 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQv+ZTdNJ49xkPD3G29WiDWEYreawIUaNotB2a0xEO2Lf23K0yDUgPC8Z8= Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:32:30 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com Message-ID: <8143-40D02FCE-209@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 16 Jun 2004 07:56:55 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can get 760 WJR Detroit at Omaha, NE BUT It's varies a lot from night to night, The Big 4 Chicago stations are much more consistent reception than WJR. WBAP is another 50 Kilowatt station that usually comes in most of the time and since WBAP, & WJR are ABC O&O stations, the programming is quite similar. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Jun 16 08:49:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42535 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 15:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 15:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 15:49:09 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id r.ca.2cf21395 (15877) for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-d22.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.163]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v99_r4.8) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e0540d06bc52bb; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:48:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:48:13 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1EC0882A.62459303.00166593@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 204.215.240.103 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.5 From: Bossmsx@aol.com Subject: Sony "STR-AV" Canadian series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Anyone know how far up in frequency response the Sony Canadian STR-AV multimode AM Stereo home receiver/tuners go? I have an STR-AV 270, and I recall Kevin T. saying his went up quite far, but I don't remember how much....I'm thinking about going on an AM Stereo airchecking expedition, and taking my DAT machine with me...Am wondering if I should do my airchecks with a 32khz. sampling rate (Which would cover up to 16khz., but would allow me 6 hours on a tape), or if I should use the full 44khz. (which would allow me up to 22khz., but only 3 hours on a tape)...If the radio has a frequency response that exceeds 16khz, obviously, 44 would be better, but if it brickwalls at or below 16khz., then no more than 32 would be necessary (and more efficient). tony/florida. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 13:27:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38681 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 20:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 20:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 20:27:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2004 20:25:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:25:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1EC0882A.62459303.00166593@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1823 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.10 Subject: Re: Sony "STR-AV" Canadian series X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Anyone know how far up in frequency response the Sony Canadian > STR-AV multimode AM Stereo home receiver/tuners go? I have an > STR-AV270, and I recall Kevin T. saying his went up quite far, but > I don't remember how much....I'm thinking about going on an AM > Stereo airchecking expedition, and taking my DAT machine with > me...Am wondering if I should do my airchecks with a 32khz. > sampling rate (Which would cover up to 16khz., but would allow me > 6 hours on a tape), or if I should use the full 44khz. When you consider that many stations use a 32 kHz sampling rate on their digital STLs, then to use anything higher for radio broadcasts is quite useless, even on FM. Any audio above 15 kHz on either band is just going to be noise, whose presence in the recording will actually detract from the perceived audio quality. So assuming your DAT machine's anti-aliasing filter is well-designed, a 32 kHz sampling rate is as high as you are ever going to need for recording radio broadcasts. And for the record, the STR-AVxxx series use a 10 kHz ceramic filter in wide-bandwidth mode, with a decent amount of audio response up to about 14-15 kHz. These tuners also do not use any de-emphasis, so unless you apply a roll-off of the treble response (about -10 dB at 10 kHz) these tuners will sound too bright in wide-bandwidth AM mode. (I think back in 1983 when Sony designed these tuners, the assumption was that once wide-bandwidth AM tuners became commonplace, there would no longer be any need for AM stations to use any pre-emphasis, so thus Sony designed their tuners to have no matching de-emphasis, providing a flat audio response. But now that NRSC pre-emphasis is mandatory for AM Stereo stations, these tuners all sound too bright unless you add a treble roll-off to compensate.) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 13:30:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16985 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 20:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 20:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 20:30:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2004 20:30:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:30:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 279 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.10 Subject: Yahoo Mail X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Anybody else having trouble getting into Yahoo Mail? After logging in, all I get is a blank screen, even with JavaScript enabled and my web browser set to emulate MSIE 6.0. This has been happening since yesterday (Tuesday) on both my personal and work Yahoo Mail accounts. From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 16 13:52:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53713 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 20:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 20:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 20:52:05 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.183.112]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:54:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c453e3$af0c0a60$70b70642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:51:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Yahoo Mail X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just logged into mine- no problem, but I do notice the new look- and they are giving me 100 meg of storage now- quite generous! (more room to display all the advertisements) cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 4:30 PM Subject: {AMSF} Yahoo Mail Anybody else having trouble getting into Yahoo Mail? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Wed Jun 16 13:54:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50680 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 20:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 20:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 20:54:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:53:38 -0700 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:53:38 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:53:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2004 20:53:38.0298 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF87ADA0:01C453E3] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.63 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Yahoo Mail X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I don't if this is related or not, but... I was having problems with my DSL service from SBC last night and had to listen to a message about the SBC/Yahoo email server being down before continuing. They were expecting to have it back up later last night (a time was given but I don't remember what it was). Paul Crane >From: "Kevin T." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Yahoo Mail >Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:30:23 -0000 > >Anybody else having trouble getting into Yahoo Mail? After logging >in, all I get is a blank screen, even with JavaScript enabled and my >web browser set to emulate MSIE 6.0. This has been happening since >yesterday (Tuesday) on both my personal and work Yahoo Mail accounts. > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 14:32:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28461 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 21:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2004 21:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 21:32:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2004 21:32:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:32:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1710 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.10 Subject: Re: Yahoo Mail X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I think I figured out the problem.... if you were using the "old" non-JavaScript Yahoo Mail interface, you're stuck... somehow the implementation of the new "blue-look" interface screwed it up, so all you get is a blank screen. However, if your account was already using the "beta" JavaScript- enabled Yahoo Mail interface, then everything should be fine... it will automatically transition you to the new "blue-look" mail interface -- AND, if you then turn JavaScript OFF, it WILL trigger the switch back to the old, original non-JavaScript Yahoo Mail interface, which still exists and still works fine! The trigger to the non-JavaScript version is a URL which looks something like this (the "us.f516" part is variable): http://us.f516.mail.yahoo.com/ym/login?nojs=1 Now, if your account (like mine) was ALREADY in the old version, you're stuck, at least until they "fix" it... manually entering that URL puts you into an endless loop of "Verify your Yahoo! password to continue" screens. Grrr! This problem has been noticed by other users -- here is a Usenet thread which mentions it (click "Next 4" to read the whole thread): http://groups.google.com/groups?th=dc4dd8bb3099bde0&rnum=1 Hopefully Yahoo will fix this glitch -- I know I'm not the only one who was using the "old" Yahoo Mail interface and is now "stuck". The temporary solution right now is to create a new account, and once it's working with the "blue-look" interface, turn JS off to force it to switch back to the "old" interface -- then everything is fine! I just did that myself, so until further notice, any e-mail to me should be sent to my new account: kevintekel@yahoo.com (instead of kevtronics@yahoo.com). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 17:23:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16188 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 00:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 00:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 00:23:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 00:23:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:23:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1602 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.10 Subject: Re: best digitally-tuned walkmans for converting to AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have an SRF-42. I'd just like something that's easier to tune > (hence the digital tuning, but a properly working dial that doesn't > feel like it's "slipping" for lack of a better term would probably > be ok), and, more importantly, more selective (retaining the same > audio response out to approx 10kHz), and more sensitive. We all would like a perfect radio, but sometimes you just have to settle for what you can get. The Sony SRF-A300 is an excellent radio for DXing, with very good sensitivity and selectivity and a large, precise tuning dial -- but its treble response is not as good as a SRF-42, and if you try to record from its headphone output, the audio will sound very bassy due to its built-in bass boost -- therefore it actually sounds the best with small "earbuds" which are naturally bass-shy and treble-heavy. The Panasonic RF-HS90 (Japanese model with AM Stereo) is pretty good, but for DXing it benefits greatly from a Select-A-Tenna (or similar tuned loop antenna). The treble response isn't that great either, but again, listening with a pair of small earbuds (like the ones it comes with) actually helps to improve the sound. It is pretty good at locking into Stereo mode even on weaker signals, and it does have digital tuning from 520 to 1710 kHz, allowing full Expanded Band reception. The Aiwa CR-DS805 (another Japanese model with AM Stereo) is generally similar to the Panasonic, although from the recordings I've heard, it has poor bass response (the sound is noticeably "tinny") and the synthesizer noise can be obtrusive on weaker signals. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 21:45:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49287 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 04:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 04:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 04:45:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 04:45:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:45:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2080 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: best digitally-tuned walkmans for converting to AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Ok... so what out there has the same treble response as my SRF-42, better bass response would be nice, better selectivity, better sensitivity (but I could use the select-a-tenna if necessary), and digital tuning for < $50-100? I want to make decent quality recordings off of KDIS and some other stations on groundwave from 500 to 1250 miles away. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I have an SRF-42. I'd just like something that's easier to tune > > (hence the digital tuning, but a properly working dial that doesn't > > feel like it's "slipping" for lack of a better term would probably > > be ok), and, more importantly, more selective (retaining the same > > audio response out to approx 10kHz), and more sensitive. > > We all would like a perfect radio, but sometimes you just have to > settle for what you can get. The Sony SRF-A300 is an excellent radio > for DXing, with very good sensitivity and selectivity and a large, > precise tuning dial -- but its treble response is not as good as a > SRF-42, and if you try to record from its headphone output, the audio > will sound very bassy due to its built-in bass boost -- therefore it > actually sounds the best with small "earbuds" which are naturally > bass-shy and treble-heavy. > > The Panasonic RF-HS90 (Japanese model with AM Stereo) is pretty good, > but for DXing it benefits greatly from a Select-A-Tenna (or similar > tuned loop antenna). The treble response isn't that great either, > but again, listening with a pair of small earbuds (like the ones it > comes with) actually helps to improve the sound. It is pretty good > at locking into Stereo mode even on weaker signals, and it does have > digital tuning from 520 to 1710 kHz, allowing full Expanded Band > reception. > > The Aiwa CR-DS805 (another Japanese model with AM Stereo) is > generally similar to the Panasonic, although from the recordings I've > heard, it has poor bass response (the sound is noticeably "tinny") > and the synthesizer noise can be obtrusive on weaker signals. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 22:55:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18863 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 05:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 05:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 05:55:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 05:54:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:54:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 613 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.5 Subject: Re: best digitally-tuned walkmans for converting to AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Ok... so what out there has the same treble response as my SRF-42, > better bass response would be nice, better selectivity, better > sensitivity (but I could use the select-a-tenna if necessary), and > digital tuning for < $50-100? Have you tried a MetroSound tuner? It's not digital tuning, but it is one of the most sensitive AM Stereo tuners ever made, and the audio quality is about equal to a SRF-42. With a 12V gel-cell battery and a 12V audio amp, you can use one to make your own AM Stereo mini-boombox in about the size of a small shoebox. I don't know if Chris has any MetroSounds left, though. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 23:58:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33264 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 06:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 06:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 06:58:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 06:57:59 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58167 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 05:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 05:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 05:44:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 05:44:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:44:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 379 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: {AMSF} Re: best digitally-tuned walkmans for converting to AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Jun 2004 06:57:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > ok then... what's a good way (on a limited budget) to get a portable > AMS radio that I can carry with me so i can listen to it using > headphones while I'm not sitting in one place? (btw stringing out (snip) Get the Sony SRF-A300 at audiocubes.com -- It is portable. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 23:58:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33141 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 06:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 06:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 06:58:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 06:58:20 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27723 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 05:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 05:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 05:53:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 05:53:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:53:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1123 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Jun 2004 06:58:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > I've been thinking about getting an A300 for the last few months. I > can't afford it right now... hopefully by mid/late July or sometime in > August, though..... It's worth the $99+s&h. > but I'd like to try one in person before I buy it. I want to know for > sure if it will be able to get a better signal on 1110 KDIS without > getting any adjacent-channel splatter from 1130 KSDO while still > retaining a treble response out to about 10kHz (or comparable to my > SRF-42) for example. A lot of my DX'ing is groundwave out from under > strong adjacent-channel locals. > > Do you (or anyone know) how the A300 compares to the SRF-42 on audio > bandwidth, selectivity, and sensitivity? The only drawback with the A300 on the AM is that out of the box, don't expect to receive anything above 1620 without a little tweaking. Everything I have read is that it's at least comparable to the 42. Also, the bass is boosted for a "warm" sound. Also, you might want to explain how far away from KDIS you are. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 00:00:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16435 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 07:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 07:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 07:00:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 07:00:28 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6892 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 06:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 06:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 06:09:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 06:09:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:09:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 656 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: Re: best digitally-tuned walkmans for converting to AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Jun 2004 06:59:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > Ok... so what out there has the same treble response as my SRF-42, > better bass response would be nice, better selectivity, better > sensitivity (but I could use the select-a-tenna if necessary), and > digital tuning for < $50-100? I want to make decent quality > recordings off of KDIS and some other stations on groundwave from 500 > to 1250 miles away. There are no battery-powered digital AMS radios in production- All analog, now, if any still are. And groundwave DX at that distance is weak at best- I have done it, so I know. It is possible, though. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 00:03:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59501 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 07:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 07:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 07:03:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 07:03:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:03:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 299 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.5 Subject: Re: Yahoo Mail X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics BTW, if your Yahoo Mail is currently futzed up, I have found a workaround -- use the "Mobile" version of Yahoo Mail: http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail It's designed for mobile phones, so the interface is extremely simple, but it's also very quick, with no on-screen ads and no JavaScript nonsense. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 01:06:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37339 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 08:06:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 08:06:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 08:06:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20040617080633.37648.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:06:33 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:06:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1087458727.365.56233.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.41 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1231 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit More space for "them" to send spam;-( Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Message: 10 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:51:21 -0400 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: Yahoo Mail I just logged into mine- no problem, but I do notice the new look- and they are giving me 100 meg of storage now- quite generous! (more room to display all the advertisements) cc ----- === message truncated === Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 01:10:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65114 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 08:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 08:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 08:10:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20040617081018.84305.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:10:18 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:10:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1087458727.365.56233.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.48 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1231 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes I agree with message 16 I dont think you can get an AM$ radio with quality for under 100US unless youre lucky and the A300 is comparable in dxing to the GE SR plus gets AM$ to about 1620kHz. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: (snip) Get the Sony SRF-A300 at audiocubes.com -- It is portable. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:53:13 -0000 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Digest Number 1230 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > I've been thinking about getting an A300 for the last few months. I > can't afford it right now... hopefully by mid/late July or sometime in > August, though..... It's worth the $99+s&h. === message truncated === Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 06:11:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48950 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 13:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 13:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 13:11:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20040617130918.97335.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:09:18 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:09:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.144 From: "John P." Subject: Sony "STR-AV" Canadian series / Yahoo attack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The specs I read for the STR-AV lists the AM frequency response out to 9KHz in the wide mode, yet it does have a 10KHz ceramic filter (and a narrow filter too when in mono). What limits it though, is that there's a low pass filter right after the AMS audio that cuts off at roughly 10KHz audio response. The SRF-A100 goes out farther in audio frequency response as there is no audio cut-off filter. If you had a MetroSound and replaced the 7.5KHz filter with a 10KHz filter, you would have a pretty decent setup, as it's the Sony chipset in there. Regarding YAHOO, their Internet servers were "under attack" on Monday, and many services were shot for most of the day, and mail has been messed-up ever since. I think the "100Meg" mailboxes are only a temporary thing as they try to get their system working again, then my guess is we'll go back to the old size. Mine has been going back and forth between 3 systems all week. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From tomray@wor710.com Thu Jun 17 09:25:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56529 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 16:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 16:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 16:25:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 16:25:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:25:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 369 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson > Is David Eduardo the only person in America, besides those with deep > pockets at iBiquity, who has anything decent to say about it? Yeah. Me, my CE Kerry Richards, the entire Buckley Radio organization, and anyone who has heard AM IBOC. You close enough to NYC to give a listen? Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Jun 17 09:33:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48210 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 16:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 16:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 16:33:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 16:33:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:33:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 804 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: WBZ audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I'm amazed at how lousy 1030 WBZ sounds these days, even at night > with the IBOC turned off. I know they're using a 5 kHz audio filter, > but it's among the muddiest 5 kHz audio I've ever heard. I wonder if > they are even using _any_ pre-emphasis, as the treble response is > simply non-existent, even on a wideband radio. It's quite a shame, > as WBZ used to be one of the best-sounding AM Stereo stations in the > Boston area. It sounds like they backed the processing way down. If the unit is gating, that will contribute to the muddiness. Kerry was in Boss- town last week, and says their analog sounds like there is minimal processing.....you could hear level differences between sources. Tom Ray WOR From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 12:11:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62106 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 19:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 19:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 19:11:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 19:11:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:11:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1588 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Digest Number 1230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > I've been thinking about getting an A300 for the last few months. I > > can't afford it right now... hopefully by mid/late July or sometime > in > > August, though..... > > It's worth the $99+s&h. > > > but I'd like to try one in person before I buy it. I want to know > for > > sure if it will be able to get a better signal on 1110 KDIS without > > getting any adjacent-channel splatter from 1130 KSDO while still > > retaining a treble response out to about 10kHz (or comparable to my > > SRF-42) for example. A lot of my DX'ing is groundwave out from > under > > strong adjacent-channel locals. > > > > Do you (or anyone know) how the A300 compares to the SRF-42 on audio > > bandwidth, selectivity, and sensitivity? > > The only drawback with the A300 on the AM is that out of the box, > don't expect to receive anything above 1620 without a little > tweaking. Everything I have read is that it's at least comparable to > the 42. Also, the bass is boosted for a "warm" sound. > > Also, you might want to explain how far away from KDIS you are. I'm about 111.5 miles away from KDIS, and about 6.3 miles away from 1130 KSDO which gives me a considerable challenge. I'm at approx 32 deg, 45 min, 30 sec N, 116 deg, 56 min, 30 sec W. Any suggestions on how to get Radio Disney in AM Stereo on groundwave with at least a 40-50mV/m signal or what would at least sound like one? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 12:31:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76837 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 19:31:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 19:31:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 19:31:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 19:31:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:31:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2038 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Digest Number 1230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key you say the A300 has a bass boost, right? Would it give me a low enough response so I could hear the lowest notes on this piano? http://68.105.110.45:1180/stephen/piano/b290_lowquality/Bosey290_few_second_HQ_clip.mp3 Of course I do want the treble response that the SRF-42 has, too. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > > wrote: > > > I've been thinking about getting an A300 for the last few months. I > > > can't afford it right now... hopefully by mid/late July or sometime > > in > > > August, though..... > > > > It's worth the $99+s&h. > > > > > but I'd like to try one in person before I buy it. I want to know > > for > > > sure if it will be able to get a better signal on 1110 KDIS without > > > getting any adjacent-channel splatter from 1130 KSDO while still > > > retaining a treble response out to about 10kHz (or comparable to my > > > SRF-42) for example. A lot of my DX'ing is groundwave out from > > under > > > strong adjacent-channel locals. > > > > > > Do you (or anyone know) how the A300 compares to the SRF-42 on audio > > > bandwidth, selectivity, and sensitivity? > > > > The only drawback with the A300 on the AM is that out of the box, > > don't expect to receive anything above 1620 without a little > > tweaking. Everything I have read is that it's at least comparable to > > the 42. Also, the bass is boosted for a "warm" sound. > > > > Also, you might want to explain how far away from KDIS you are. > > I'm about 111.5 miles away from KDIS, and about 6.3 miles away from > 1130 KSDO which gives me a considerable challenge. I'm at approx 32 > deg, 45 min, 30 sec N, 116 deg, 56 min, 30 sec W. Any suggestions on > how to get Radio Disney in AM Stereo on groundwave with at least a > 40-50mV/m signal or what would at least sound like one? > > > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From n1ea@arrl.net Thu Jun 17 13:12:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@arrl.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55532 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 20:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 20:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 20:12:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 20:11:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:11:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 570 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "David J. Ring, Jr." X-Originating-IP: 4.156.57.205 Subject: Re: WBZ audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77032563 X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: I'm amazed at how lousy 1030 WBZ sounds these days, even at night with the IBOC turned off. Kevin, I talked to the Chief Engineer several months ago, he is running the IBOC on "mild" processing. During the last week, WBZ audio has been MUCH better, very clear, and enjoyable (after months of garbage) than it used to be. But I am only 20 miles away, so minimal processing would be a good thing for me, but not for those in DX Land. 73 David J. Ring, Jr., N1EA Green Harbor, MA From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 14:03:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1201 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 21:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 21:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 21:03:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 21:02:46 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86784 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 17:47:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 17:47:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 17:47:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 17:46:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:46:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 335 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: Re: IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Jun 2004 21:02:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson > You close enough to NYC to give a listen? Heh, if you call where Ian is, on the other side of the planet, in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, as "close", then he is "close". :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 14:13:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32529 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 21:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 21:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 21:13:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 21:13:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:13:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040617130918.97335.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1392 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.7 Subject: Re: Sony "STR-AV" Canadian series / Yahoo attack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The specs I read for the STR-AV lists the AM frequency response out > to 9KHz in the wide mode, yet it does have a 10KHz ceramic filter > (and a narrow filter too when in mono). What limits it though, is > that there's a low pass filter right after the AMS audio that cuts > off at roughly 10KHz audio response. It's actually a notch filter, rather than a low-pass filter. The response is basically flat to 9 kHz, as you say, then has a very sharp and deep "whistle filter" notch at 10 kHz (down at least 40 dB to cut out any trace of a carrier whistle) -- but then it "recovers" at 11 kHz, and provides some degree of response at least to 15 kHz (assuming the station is actually transmitting that wide of an audio bandwidth, of course). On Australian models (designed for 9 kHz channel spacing), the notch filter is centered at 9 kHz, instead of 10 kHz. The SRF-A100 is probably the "widest" AM Stereo receiver ever made; it uses a 12.5 kHz ceramic filter in "wide" mode, with no whistle filter or de-emphasis, so an external notch filter and treble roll-off really help at providing cleaner-sounding audio in "real- world" reception conditions. Switching it to "narrow" mode adds in a *second* ceramic filter, dropping the audio response all the way down to 4 kHz. It would nice to have a "medium" bandwidth of 7.5 kHz or so, but I guess you can't have it all. :-) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 14:23:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89961 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 21:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 21:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 21:23:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 21:23:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:23:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1132 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.7 Subject: Re: Digest Number 1230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > you say the A300 has a bass boost, right? Would it give me a low > enough response so I could hear the lowest notes on this piano? It depends on five things: 1. the microphone(s) used to make the audio recording 2. the station's audio processing 3. the station's transmitter 4. the receiver's audio response 5. the audio response of your headphones/speakers/etc. The station's audio processing and transmitter are generally the most limiting factors. Most modern audio processors chop off everything below 50 Hz, sometimes even higher on AM. And unless the transmitter is a modern solid-state design, it may not be able to modulate the very low audio frequencies anyway. And anyway, on a piano most of what you are hearing from the lowest notes are higher harmonics and overtones, including the resonance of the piano cabinet and the vibration of its steel framework. So while the string itself may be vibrating at a nearly sub-audible frequency, probably 90% of what you're hearing from it is at > 200 Hz, which just about any radio station can transmit and any radio and amplifier can reproduce accurately. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 14:28:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45051 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 21:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 21:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 21:28:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 21:27:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:27:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3160 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.7 Subject: What's wrong with this press release? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Mr. Ray brags about the show being heard in IBOC/"HD Radio"... but it=20 is on the air from midnight to 5 AM -- nighttime hours in which use=20 of IBOC is forbidden. In fact, currently this time slot is when WOR=20 switches to their vintage Continental transmitter, a tube-type unit=20 which cannot and will not be modified to transmit an IBOC signal. WOR RADIO TO BRING DICK CARR'S BIG BANDS, BALLADS & BLUES=AE TO NEW YORK'S AIR WAVES SATURDAYS AT MIDNIGHT The sounds of the Great American Songbook and traditional jazz return=20 to New York radio as WOR 710 begins broadcasting "Dick Carr's Big Bands, Ballads & Blues=AE" Saturdays, midnight to 5=20 a.m. The show will debut on July 3, 2004. Big Bands Ballads & Blues=AE features a blend of vocalists, big bands=20 and jazz artists specializing in the timeless songs of composers like Cole Porter, Rodgers & Hart, Mercer and Ellington. Legends like=20 Sinatra, Ella, Sarah Vaughn and Mel Torme perform side by side with contemporary artists like Jane Monheit, Diana Krall, Peter=20 Cincotti and Michael Buble.=20 "We already know this wonderful show from offering it coast-to-coast=20 on the WOR Radio Network, and now we're delighted to bring it to New York," said WOR VP, Programming Maurice Tunick.=20 "After Joe Franklin's amazing 40-year run on WOR, we knew there had to be the right show to replace him, and Dick Carr's Big=20 Bands, Ballads & Blues=AE is it." "Bringing Big Bands, Ballads & Blues=AE to New York is a dream come=20 true for me" said Carr. "It's playing the big room. New York radio hasn't had this kind of music on its air for far too long. I am=20 particularly proud to be on WOR. It is such a natural fit to have this uniquely American heritage music return to New York on one of=20 America's truly great heritage radio stations." A longtime radio veteran, Dick Carr has served stints as=20 VP/Programming of the legendary WNEW-AM, Executive Producer for Casey Kasem's American Top 40, The Dick Clark Countdown and numerous=20 other weekly syndicated programs.=20 Big Bands, Ballads & Blues=AE will also play an important role in WOR's=20 long history as a pioneer in broadcast technology. WOR is New York's first AM-HD (High Definition) Radio station. HD=20 broadcasting reduces transmission interference while dramatically improving signal reception to consumers. Digital broadcasting is the=20 future of AM/FM radio in the United States. "When heard in HD, Big Bands, Ballads & Blues=AE will showcase the=20 exciting capabilities for AM radio with this new technology," said Buckley Broadcasting Corporate Director of Engineering, Tom Ray. About WOR 710AM Founded in 1922, WOR 710AM is New York's oldest, privately owned and=20 continuously operated radio station. As the top talk radio station in the country, it has continually made history with=20 its award-winning broadcasts and remotes. WOR provides a well-rounded schedule of informational programming and features=20 personalities such as Ed Walsh, Joan Hamburg, Arthur Schwartz, Dr. Joy Browne, Bill O'Reilly, Bob Grant, Michael Savage,=20 Jim Cramer, Lionel, Dr. Ronald Hoffman, and Joey Reynolds. WOR 710AM is a Buckley Broadcasting Corporation radio station. From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jun 17 14:46:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42689 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 21:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 21:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 21:46:29 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.178.133]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:49:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c454b4$8741cf20$85b20642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:46:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's wrong with this press release? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ......Which reminds me of fond memories of WNEW 1130 before Bloomberg ruine= d it. If ever a station needed a rescue, this is it. New York and Big Band = are a great , natural match. Also, Jonathan Shwartz on WQEW. The ratings fi= gures show what happened to both of these former great stations. CC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kevin T.=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 5:27 PM Subject: {AMSF} What's wrong with this press release? WOR RADIO TO BRING DICK CARR'S BIG BANDS, BALLADS & BLUES=AE TO NEW YORK'S AIR WAVES SATURDAYS AT MIDNIGHT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 14:59:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70816 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 21:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 21:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51605.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.210) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 21:59:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20040617215911.12987.qmail@web51605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.69.7] by web51605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:59:11 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:59:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, radio-tech@broadcast.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.210 From: "Kevin T." Subject: NAB on IBOC: "let the marketplace decide" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Where have we heard that line before!? (see 3rd paragraph) From www.radioworld.com.... NAB Urges FCC to Complete Digital Radio Rules NAB has asked the FCC to move forward with permanent authorization of IBOC, including allowing nighttime operation on AM, so AM service "can become a truly vibrant" service. In comments filed with the agency on digital radio, NAB asked that the commission handle any analog interference resulting from such operation. The association asked the commission allow dual antenna use without the need to apply for an STA. Regulation of an audio quality threshold is unnecessary, believes the association and it's premature to regulate datacasting or secondary audio services, as "market forces should dictate the digital services broadcasters provide, including secondary audio and data services." A commission effort to impose fees on ancillary IBOC services could "chill" the IBOC rollout, states NAB. And on the recording industry's efforts to ban home recording off digital radios for fear of "indiscriminate recording and Internet redistribution from unencrypted digital radio broadcasts, NAB believes RIAA's concerns have not been established. While the commission may want to explore the issue, states NAB, it should not slow down permanent authorization of IBOC. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 15:07:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88053 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 22:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 22:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 22:07:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 22:06:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:06:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040617130918.97335.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 694 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: Re: Sony "STR-AV" Canadian series / Yahoo attack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 On one of Yahoo's 'new' e-mail pages, it lists 100MB of storage. Those hackers should be forced to listen to FM for 20 years. Tom > Regarding YAHOO, their Internet servers were "under attack" on Monday, and many > services were shot for most of the day, and mail has been messed-up ever since. > I think the "100Meg" mailboxes are only a temporary thing as they try to get > their system working again, then my guess is we'll go back to the old size. > Mine has been going back and forth between 3 systems all week. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jun 17 15:19:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56284 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 22:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 22:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 22:19:11 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.178.133]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:21:49 -0400 Message-ID: <002e01c454b9$19412840$85b20642@4bmx301> To: References: <20040617215911.12987.qmail@web51605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:19:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} NAB on IBOC: "let the marketplace decide" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oooh!- You mean "let the market dictate"..... delicious irony! cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 15:37:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84113 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 22:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 22:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 22:37:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 22:36:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:36:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1577 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Sony "STR-AV" Canadian series / Yahoo attack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key How do you think the A300 compares to the A100 and the SRF-42? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > The specs I read for the STR-AV lists the AM frequency response out > > to 9KHz in the wide mode, yet it does have a 10KHz ceramic filter > > (and a narrow filter too when in mono). What limits it though, is > > that there's a low pass filter right after the AMS audio that cuts > > off at roughly 10KHz audio response. > > It's actually a notch filter, rather than a low-pass filter. The > response is basically flat to 9 kHz, as you say, then has a very > sharp and deep "whistle filter" notch at 10 kHz (down at least 40 dB > to cut out any trace of a carrier whistle) -- but then it "recovers" > at 11 kHz, and provides some degree of response at least to 15 kHz > (assuming the station is actually transmitting that wide of an audio > bandwidth, of course). On Australian models (designed for 9 kHz > channel spacing), the notch filter is centered at 9 kHz, instead of > 10 kHz. > > The SRF-A100 is probably the "widest" AM Stereo receiver ever made; > it uses a 12.5 kHz ceramic filter in "wide" mode, with no whistle > filter or de-emphasis, so an external notch filter and treble > roll-off really help at providing cleaner-sounding audio in "real- > world" reception conditions. Switching it to "narrow" mode adds in a > *second* ceramic filter, dropping the audio response all the way down > to 4 kHz. It would nice to have a "medium" bandwidth of 7.5 kHz or > so, but I guess you can't have it all. :-) From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 15:38:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31047 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 22:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2004 22:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 22:38:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2004 22:38:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:38:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Digest Number 1230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key If I can hear the ticks in the vibrations on the lowest note, am I actually hearing that frequency at around 16 Hz? (btw that note was quite flat possibly because the tuner couldn't hear very well down there, and it's probably more like around 13 or 14 Hz.) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > you say the A300 has a bass boost, right? Would it give me a low > > enough response so I could hear the lowest notes on this piano? > > It depends on five things: > > 1. the microphone(s) used to make the audio recording > 2. the station's audio processing > 3. the station's transmitter > 4. the receiver's audio response > 5. the audio response of your headphones/speakers/etc. > > The station's audio processing and transmitter are generally the most > limiting factors. Most modern audio processors chop off everything > below 50 Hz, sometimes even higher on AM. And unless the transmitter > is a modern solid-state design, it may not be able to modulate the > very low audio frequencies anyway. > > And anyway, on a piano most of what you are hearing from the lowest > notes are higher harmonics and overtones, including the resonance of > the piano cabinet and the vibration of its steel framework. So while > the string itself may be vibrating at a nearly sub-audible frequency, > probably 90% of what you're hearing from it is at > 200 Hz, which > just about any radio station can transmit and any radio and amplifier > can reproduce accurately. 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How does it compare to an RS AM Loop or a Terk AM Loop? http://www.ccrane.com/am-antenna.asp From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 17:04:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23732 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 00:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 00:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 00:04:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 00:04:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:04:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 669 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.16 Subject: Re: Sony radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > How do you think the A300 compares to the A100 and the SRF-42? Just as there's no such thing as a free lunch, there's no such thing as a perfect radio. I have all three of these radios, so I would say that the SRF-A300 is best for DXing, the SRF-A100 is best for hi-fi audio, and the SRF-42 is a good halfway compromise between the two. Secondhand SRF-A100's have gotten quite pricely lately, but if you have $100 to spare, I say get an SRF-A300 from AudioCubes and just see for yourself. Unless your expectations are unrealistically high, you won't be disappointed. From cbreton27@hotmail.com Thu Jun 17 18:04:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39971 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 01:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 01:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.115) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 01:04:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:04:31 -0700 Received: from 69.157.140.247 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:04:31 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:04:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2004 01:04:31.0613 (UTC) FILETIME=[366B02D0:01C454D0] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.115 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.140.247] Subject: Sony Srf-a100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi gang, I have a sony srf a-100 in my hand, and when I'm tuning the band every signal is in am stereo, how come ?? not every station is broadcasting in am stereo ? Can somebody help me ? Thanks Chris _________________________________________________________________ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 18:25:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72963 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 01:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 01:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 01:25:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 01:25:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:25:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1210 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Sony radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > How do you think the A300 compares to the A100 and the SRF-42? > > Just as there's no such thing as a free lunch, there's no such thing > as a perfect radio. I have all three of these radios, so I would say > that the SRF-A300 is best for DXing, the SRF-A100 is best for hi-fi > audio, and the SRF-42 is a good halfway compromise between the two. > > Secondhand SRF-A100's have gotten quite pricely lately, but if you > have $100 to spare, I say get an SRF-A300 from AudioCubes and just > see for yourself. Unless your expectations are unrealistically high, > you won't be disappointed. All I want to do is take this signal.... (btw for some reason 1130's interference isn't anywhere NEAR as bad on this clip as it normally is... usually it just about completely wipes the station off the face of the dial.) http://68.105.110.45:1180/stephen/amradio/KDIS_weaksignal_clips.mp3 and make it sound like this one. I'll be adding a Select-A-Tenna to the mix. http://68.105.110.45:1180/stephen/amradio/KDIS_strongsignal_clips.mp3 From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 18:41:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93854 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 01:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 01:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 01:41:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 01:41:06 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13097 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 00:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 00:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 00:03:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 00:02:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:02:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1302 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: Re: Digest Number 1230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Jun 2004 01:41:05 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > I'm about 111.5 miles away from KDIS, and about 6.3 miles away from > 1130 KSDO which gives me a considerable challenge. I'm at approx 32 > deg, 45 min, 30 sec N, 116 deg, 56 min, 30 sec W. Any suggestions on > how to get Radio Disney in AM Stereo on groundwave with at least a > 40-50mV/m signal or what would at least sound like one? It depends on the station's power. If it was 50kW, you might have a chance with minimal setup at that distance. If I recall, KDIS is only about 10-15kW, so your only real bet is an inexpensive used AMS tuner (like the RS TM-152), a longwire, and an antenna tuner to notch out the strong second-adjacent at 1130. Why a longwire? Those things pull just about -anything-, but you would need to aim it for maximum strength, and tune it somehow to prevent overload from stronger locals. Some stations do pretty good at 100+ miles with relatively low power, while others may have poor conductivity at both the transmitter and receiver's ends- like in sothern California. You have a challenge to overcome, one I'm not sure your criteria will be able to meet, though. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 18:41:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18459 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 01:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 01:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 01:41:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 01:41:28 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88266 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 00:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 00:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 00:11:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 00:11:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:11:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 811 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: Re: Digest Number 1230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Jun 2004 01:41:27 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > you say the A300 has a bass boost, right? Would it give me a low > enough response so I could hear the lowest notes on this piano? > http://68.105.110.45:1180/stephen/piano/b290_lowquality/Bosey290_few_s econd_HQ_clip.mp3 > Of course I do want the treble response that the SRF-42 has, too. You won't get anything below 50Hz, regardless. The bass boost only amplifies existing bass, not bring the bass range lower. And besides, the most most will hear is just the upper harmonics of the low notes, and the primary of that lowest note isn't much below 50Hz, anyway- Perhaps abot 44Hz. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (I feel like I've answered these same questions several times before, but I don't think it sinks through. :( ) From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 18:42:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19075 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 01:42:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 01:42:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 01:42:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 01:41:48 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4606 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 00:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 00:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 00:18:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 00:18:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:18:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 703 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: Re: Sony "STR-AV" Canadian series / Yahoo attack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Jun 2004 01:41:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > The SRF-A100 is probably the "widest" AM Stereo receiver ever made; > it uses a 12.5 kHz ceramic filter in "wide" mode, with no whistle > filter or de-emphasis, so an external notch filter and treble > roll-off really help at providing cleaner-sounding audio in "real- > world" reception conditions. Switching it to "narrow" mode adds in a > *second* ceramic filter, dropping the audio response all the way down > to 4 kHz. It would nice to have a "medium" bandwidth of 7.5 kHz or > so, but I guess you can't have it all. :-) A Dolby-B/DNR filter actually works well with radios like the A100. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 18:42:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29796 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 01:42:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 01:42:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 01:42:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 01:42:00 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88697 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 00:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 00:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 00:30:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 00:30:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:29:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 505 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: Re: Digest Number 1230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Jun 2004 01:41:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > If I can hear the ticks in the vibrations on the lowest note, am I > actually hearing that frequency at around 16 Hz? (btw that note was > quite flat possibly because the tuner couldn't hear very well down > there, and it's probably more like around 13 or 14 Hz.) The primary of that lowest note was about 40Hz. The "ticking" you describe is a harmonic, closer to the 200Hz Kevin T. mentioned. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 18:42:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84875 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 01:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 01:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 01:42:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 01:42:16 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95400 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 00:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 00:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 00:38:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 00:38:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:38:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 629 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: Re: C. Crane Twin Coil Ferrite Antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Jun 2004 01:42:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > Has anyone purchased this??? How does it compare to an RS AM Loop or > a Terk AM Loop? > http://www.ccrane.com/am-antenna.asp Never seen it before, but by the looks of it, it uses a powered RF amplifier, something I don't think is that necessary. External ferrite coil antennas of this type usually work quite well, and are very directional. An antenna tuner maximizes the desired signal while minimizing adjacents and other overloading, off-frequency signals. Working with an SAT would indeed make it quite a powerhouse DXer. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kjones_731@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 18:52:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81924 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 01:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 01:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81701.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.132) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 01:52:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20040618015221.61920.qmail@web81701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.76.44.73] by web81701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:52:21 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:52:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.37.132 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} C. Crane Twin Coil Ferrite Antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040 X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 I have the select-antenna and the crane remote am antenna. The crane picks up about like the select antenna but it can be mounted outside away from light dimmers and other interference. The remote tuning works great and I mounted mine about 5ft off the ground on a bracket on a tree with the remote cable buried in the grount into house. You can turn the antenna to null out signals you don't want. All in all its a good deal, I keep it hooked up to a Onkyo TX-SR500, but still have it to hook to any of my portables. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 19:09:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47039 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 02:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 02:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 02:09:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20040618020900.71610.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:09:00 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:09:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1087522932.1367.29801.m11@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.48 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1232 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You must have a good radio. Do the stations sound stereo? Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Message: 21 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:04:31 -0400 From: "christian breton" Subject: Sony Srf-a100 Hi gang, I have a sony srf a-100 in my hand, and when I'm tuning the band every signal is in am stereo, how come ?? not every station is broadcasting in am stereo ? Can somebody help me ? Thanks Chris === message truncated === Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 19:30:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76995 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 02:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 02:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 02:30:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 02:29:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 02:29:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040618020900.71610.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 939 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 207.69.139.136 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1232 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I think you're confusing the tuning light with a stereo indicator. This radio doesn't have a stereo indicator. It's "forced stereo", which means it doesn't have to utilize the pilot tone in order to activate the stereo circuit. It's active all the time until you switch it off. You'll have to put headphones on or check Kevin's AM Stereo list. Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > You must have a good radio. > Do the stations sound stereo? > > Michael > > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 21 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:04:31 -0400 > From: "christian breton" > Subject: Sony Srf-a100 > > > > Hi gang, > > > I have a sony srf a-100 in my hand, and when I'm tuning the band every > signal is in am stereo, how come ?? not every station is broadcasting > in am > stereo ? > > Can somebody help me ? > > Thanks > > Chris > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 21:27:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75771 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 04:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 04:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 04:27:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20040618042700.56363.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.35.204] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:27:00 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:27:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.151 From: "John P." Subject: Questions from member about SRF-A100 radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Christian wrote: "Hi gang, I have a sony srf a-100 in my hand, and when I'm tuning the band every signal is in am stereo, how come ?? not every station is broadcasting in am stereo ? Can somebody help me ? Thanks Chris" Chris: first of all, you are lucky if you have an SRF-A100 in your hands. 2nd: the red LED is a "Tuning" light, not a 'stereo' light. The audio is 'forced' into the stereo mode, so even if a station is not broadcasting in stereo, or if it is in stereo, but doesn't have the pilot on, you will still get some sort of a 'stereo effect'. What coast are you on? Can you tune in a local Radio Disney or ABC station and listen to real AM stereo? Let us know. Good luck. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dav259@csiro.au Thu Jun 17 21:28:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68924 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 04:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 04:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 04:28:14 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5I4SBw0024214 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:28:12 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:28:11 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.10.10 From: Ian Davidson Subject: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 My ... how things have got worse. Thanks to Alex I joined the AMS lists (Bryan's ... remember him?) four years ago. I was so happy I made a calendar entry. For so many years I was living this AMS secret alone in Oz. All of a sudden I could talk about it with people who knew it was real. The AM Stereo warriors. The numbers on the lists have grown - but the number of those with fire in their bellies have not - at least in my view. Anyway - it only took me a month to come up with what seems to have been a stupid plan. This was my post. It didn't result in one serious positive response. Maybe I was naive and silly. But by Christ I wish we'd have tried ... A M S T E R E O F O R E V E R ! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:25:25 +1000 (EST) Subject: AM Stereo Blitz Call me crazy - I can handle this. But this is my proposal. We are small in number but big in commitment and hopefully all focussed on one thing - the proliferation and promotion of AM stereo radio. We are widely spread and enough of us (myself excluded) are technically competent. We have the ability to achieve something! OK here's the deal. We help to engineer a worldwide AM stereo promotion. We get 100 stations to each give away 100 AM stereo radios over a period of three months or so early next year. Here's how it goes. Chris (or one of the Kevins, whoever) contacts one of the Japanese manufacturers asking them to come on board if we can deliver 100 stations worldwide to participate in an AM stereo promotional campaign. The manufacturer (probably Awai, but maybe Sony - or whoever) agrees to supply 10,000 AM stereo personal stereo radios to 100 AM stereo stations throughout the world. The units must be equal to or better than the SRF-42. The radio stations would have to agree to give these radios away as competition prizes as part of "The Worldwide AM Stereo Radio Blitz". The manufacturer must make no less than 10 times the number of units for retail sales (hopefully more) and the individual stations must advise where these products can be purchased each time they give one away. This would mean that the manufacturer would simply have to add 10% to the retail cost to offset its giveaways. A universal supplier like Radio Shack would be an ideal partner to come on board as the retailer. The publicity for AM stereo reception would be profound. Each station participating would have to demonstrste a commitment to maintaining its AM stereo signal - and would expect nothing less than a rise in its ratings. And it would cost the stations nothing - except for this continued commitment to AMS. I have sounded out a Melbourne station and was told as long as the giveaways are free to the station they'd be very interested. But this would require a great dedicated input from most of us. I believe (I may be wrong) that probably only one station in any market would or should participate - and this would be fair enough. This may have to be a condition to get them to come on board. Our great effort would be to identify and potentially sign up the most appropriate stations in each market. And we wouldn't need to trample on any toes. We would have to be very disciplined. My ball-park figure for this promotion would involve something like the following 100 number stations: USA 75 Canada 12 Australia 7 Mexico 5 New Zealand 1 (radio i - maybe more!) The benefits are obvious. Some stations would just go through the motions and there may not be too much impact. But I reckon the majority being proud of their product would sound a fanfare and deliver the publicity that has been lacking for over 15 years. People would realise that AM stereo exists. Once they experienced the wonderful wider sound on a cheap walkman they would demand the same sound in their cars and living rooms. I have tried not to go into the realms of fantasy in the above figures. But quite obviously a major station in a city like New York should be given 1000 giveaways - and perhaps LA and Chicago 500 units. These numbers could well be adjusted according to the size of the market the station is in. Conceivably the manufacturer could give away 100,000 units with a decent hope of selling 1 million! Everything would be self perpetuating. I believe there would be at least 100 stations willing to support a promotion like this. After all they broadcast AM stereo - why would they not want to promote it? Clear Channel of course could put this plan into effect tomorrow - but they won't. Even if they got wind of this proposal (as they would) they could do nothing positive to destry it - chances are they'd reluctantly have to support it. If they tried to fight it there would simply be more publicity for AM stereo radio. OK - I believe with alot of hard work we can achieve this - what do you think? -)))) Ian ((((- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 22:09:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7842 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 05:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 05:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 05:09:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 05:09:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:09:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1259 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.1 Subject: Re: WBZ audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It sounds like they backed the processing way down. If the unit is > gating, that will contribute to the muddiness. Kerry was in Boss- > town last week, and says their analog sounds like there is minimal > processing.....you could hear level differences between sources. There is something very odd about WBZ's audio. The processing seems fine, but the audio bandwidth is so narrow that it is *literally* telephone-quality. As received on my Superadio III, WBZ's audio is flat to 3.5 kHz, and then instead of pre-emphasis, it actually de-emphasizes the high frequencies, and has a low-pass filter that drops off sharply above 4.3 kHz! As a result, the only difference you can tell between the audio of hosts and callers is the level of bass response -- WBZ's treble response is limited to telephone-quality, even during commercials and bumper music. Even most shortwave stations have better audio than this! Even on a narrowband receiver, you can instantly hear WBZ's complete lack of crispness and clarity -- and they did not sound *this* bad a few months ago, so I wonder what's going on -- either their audio processing is horribly misadjusted, or something else in their audio chain is imposing a drastic loss of treble response. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 23:06:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7345 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 06:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 06:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 06:06:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 06:05:58 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43028 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 05:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 05:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 05:27:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 05:27:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:26:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 908 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: Re: Sony Srf-a100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Jun 2004 06:05:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "christian breton" wrote: > > > Hi gang, > > > I have a sony srf a-100 in my hand, and when I'm tuning the band every > signal is in am stereo, how come ?? not every station is broadcasting in am > stereo ? > > Can somebody help me ? The radio was designed to work with multiple AMS systems (yes, there was more than one before 1993), and the simplest way they did it at Sony was to make two circuits- A synchronous detector and a phase- shift network. Because of how this worked, the sync detector switches to stereo demodulation as soon as it receives a carrier signal. It did NOT rely on pilot detection at all, and worked pretty well. The phase-shift network circuit served one purpose only, to demodulate the Kahn ISB properly, which is why there';s an A-B switch on the A100. I hope this answers your question. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 23:06:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4528 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 06:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 06:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 06:06:54 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 06:06:48 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6946 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 05:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 05:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 05:59:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 05:58:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:57:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1446 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Jun 2004 06:06:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > My ... how things have got worse. > > The numbers on the lists have grown - but the number of those with fire in > their bellies have not - at least in my view. I'm more inclined to say there may be fewer of us now who care deeply for AMS that we'd carry the torch even when all hope of reviving AMS on the AM broadcast band has exhausted- And it darn well nearly has. While there still are AMS radios on the market, none are being made, now, which leaves homebrew makers like Chris Cuff to fill the void. There as yet hasn't been any alternative to the Alfredo Lite for the fleapower broadcaster and experimentor, yet, but I am hopeful someone will tackle the task sometime. If there are anyone interested in AMS left who can... :( So, in this day of IBOC this and IBOC that, is there any hope for AMS? I don't know. Not for commercial broadcasting in North America,m it seems, though. :( For us hobbyists, the only direction left for us is out.....out of band, that is. Longwave and shortwave. But will we? I don't know. I would like to think there are a few willing souls who want to keep AMS alive on the SW bands, using perhaps near-vertical reflectiing antennas or somesuch. Is there anyone out there who would do it? You tell me. Would you, my fellow AMS enthusiasts? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Quoting Davo: "What have YOU done for AMS lately?") From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 23:27:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31864 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 06:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 06:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 06:27:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 06:27:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:27:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1915 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I'd like to see the AM band expanded up to 1800kHz (with the spectrum above 1705kHz reserved for part 15), and I'd also like to see the european longwave AM band implemented in the USA, with expansion down to the 160-190kHz "1750 meter" band. How well (if it would ever come to pass) would something like that work? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson > wrote: > > > > My ... how things have got worse. > > > > The numbers on the lists have grown - but the number of those with > fire in > > their bellies have not - at least in my view. > > I'm more inclined to say there may be fewer of us now who care deeply > for AMS that we'd carry the torch even when all hope of reviving AMS > on the AM broadcast band has exhausted- And it darn well nearly has. > > While there still are AMS radios on the market, none are being made, > now, which leaves homebrew makers like Chris Cuff to fill the void. > > There as yet hasn't been any alternative to the Alfredo Lite for the > fleapower broadcaster and experimentor, yet, but I am hopeful someone > will tackle the task sometime. > > If there are anyone interested in AMS left who can... :( > > So, in this day of IBOC this and IBOC that, is there any hope for > AMS? I don't know. Not for commercial broadcasting in North America,m > it seems, though. :( For us hobbyists, the only direction left for us > is out.....out of band, that is. Longwave and shortwave. > > But will we? > > I don't know. I would like to think there are a few willing souls who > want to keep AMS alive on the SW bands, using perhaps near-vertical > reflectiing antennas or somesuch. > > Is there anyone out there who would do it? > > You tell me. Would you, my fellow AMS enthusiasts? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Quoting Davo: "What have YOU done for AMS lately?") From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Jun 17 23:41:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47277 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 06:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 06:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 06:41:31 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040618064128.RDHJ14233.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 02:41:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:41:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8794AC82-C0F2-11D8-B54A-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.30 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I never received this original post, but it I an interesting idea.=20 Perhaps it could be submitted to Radio World for extra publicity? Richard On Thursday, June 17, 2004, at 09:28 PM, Ian Davidson wrote: > > My ...=A0=A0 how things have got worse. > > Thanks to Alex I joined the AMS lists (Bryan's ... remember him?) four > years ago.=A0 I was so happy I made a calendar entry.=A0 For so many year= s=20 > I > was living this AMS secret alone in Oz.=A0 All of a sudden I could talk > about it with people who knew it was real.=A0 The AM Stereo warriors. > > The numbers on the lists have grown - but the number of those with=20 > fire in > their bellies have not - at least in my view. > > Anyway - it only took me a month to come up with what seems to have=20 > been a > stupid plan.=A0 This was my post.=A0 It didn't result in one serious=20 > positive > response. > > Maybe I was naive and silly.=A0 But by Christ I wish we'd have tried ... > > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A M=A0=A0 S T E R E O=A0= =A0 F O R E V E R ! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:25:25 +1000 (EST) > Subject: AM Stereo Blitz > > > Call me crazy - I can handle this.=A0 But this is my proposal. > > We are small in number but big in commitment and hopefully all=20 > focussed on > one thing - the proliferation and promotion of AM stereo radio.=A0 We are > widely spread and enough of us (myself excluded) are technically > competent.=A0 We have the ability to achieve something! > > OK here's the deal.=A0 We help to engineer a worldwide AM stereo=20 > promotion. > We get 100 stations to each give away 100 AM stereo radios over a=20 > period > of three months or so early next year. > > Here's how it goes.=A0 Chris (or one of the Kevins, whoever) contacts=20 > one of > the Japanese manufacturers asking them to come on board if we can=20 > deliver > 100 stations worldwide to participate in an AM stereo promotional > campaign. > > The manufacturer (probably Awai, but maybe Sony - or whoever) agrees to > supply 10,000 AM stereo personal stereo radios to 100 AM stereo=20 > stations > throughout the world.=A0 The units must be equal to or better than the > SRF-42.=A0 The radio stations would have to agree to give these radios=20 > away > as competition prizes as part of "The Worldwide AM Stereo Radio Blitz". > > The manufacturer must make no less than 10 times the number of units=20 > for > retail sales (hopefully more) and the individual stations must advise > where these products can be purchased each time they give one away.=A0=20 > This > would mean that the manufacturer would simply have to add 10% to the > retail cost to offset its giveaways.=A0 A universal supplier like Radio > Shack would be an ideal partner to come on board as the retailer. > > The publicity for AM stereo reception would be profound.=A0 Each station > participating would have to demonstrste a commitment to maintaining its > AM stereo signal - and would expect nothing less than a rise in its > ratings.=A0 And it would cost the stations nothing - except for this > continued commitment to AMS.=A0 I have sounded out a Melbourne station=20 > and > was told as long as the giveaways are free to the station they'd be=20 > very > interested. > > But this would require a great dedicated input from most of us.=A0 I=20 > believe > (I may be wrong) that probably only one station in any market would or > should participate - and this would be fair enough.=A0 This may have to=20 > be a > condition to get them to come on board. > > Our great effort would be to identify and potentially sign up the most > appropriate stations in each market.=A0 And we wouldn't need to trample=20 > on > any toes.=A0 We would have to be very disciplined. > > My ball-park figure for this promotion would involve something like the > following 100 number stations: > > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 USA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 75 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Canada=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 12 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Australia=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 7 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Mexico=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 5 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 New Zealand=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0 (radio i - maybe mo= re!) > > The benefits are obvious.=A0 Some stations would just go through the=20 > motions > and there may not be too much impact.=A0 But I reckon the majority being > proud of their product would sound a fanfare and deliver the publicity > that has been lacking for over 15 years.=A0 People would realise that AM > stereo exists.=A0 Once they experienced the wonderful wider sound on a=20 > cheap > walkman they would demand the same sound in their cars and living=20 > rooms. > > I have tried not to go into the realms of fantasy in the above figures. > But quite obviously a major station in a city like New York should be > given 1000 giveaways=A0 - and perhaps LA and Chicago 500 units.=A0 These > numbers could well be adjusted according to the size of the market the > station is in.=A0 Conceivably the manufacturer could give away 100,000=20 > units > with a decent hope of selling 1 million!=A0 Everything would be self > perpetuating. > > I believe there would be at least 100 stations willing to support a > promotion like this.=A0 After all they broadcast AM stereo - why would=20 > they > not want to promote it?=A0 Clear Channel of course could put this plan=20 > into > effect tomorrow - but they won't.=A0 Even if they got wind of this=20 > proposal > (as they would) they could do nothing positive to destry it - chances > are they'd reluctantly have to=A0 support it.=A0 If they tried to fight i= t > there would simply be more publicity for AM stereo radio. > > OK - I believe with alot of hard work we can achieve this - what do you > think? > > > -))))=A0 Ian=A0 ((((- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jun 18 00:31:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9545 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 07:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 07:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 07:31:55 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.178.56]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:34:31 -0400 Message-ID: <003201c45506$4eb70b00$38b20642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:31:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy wrote: There as yet hasn't been any alternative to the Alfredo Lite for the fleapower broadcaster and experimentor, yet, but I am hopeful someone will tackle the task sometime. Ummm...... The lite has never gone away. I am making them as fast as I can. I had to end the 2 that were on ebay just now, as the past couple of months has seen an unusually high demand, and folks want them faster than I can build them. As for needing an alternative- I can't see why. I have plenty of parts and boards to build these for a long time yet. Now, as far as radios go, I did my part- I designed a workable radio, had the boards plated, sent prototypes out to several past and present list members- But there comes a limit to how much one person can do. All this needs is a case designed and built, but that cannot be done without money- But I am wondering now if there is much point? If there are no radio stations using AM for music, and in stereo, there is no need for a radio. How much longer will KABL be in CQUAM? The days are ticking away, I fear. Will CFCO stay in stereo? KCJJ? So many questions, with no real answers... CC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jun 18 00:34:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39949 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 07:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 07:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 07:34:52 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.217]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:37:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c45506$b99aa120$d9b30642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:34:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dimmer switches and the new compact fluorescent lamps make LW nearly un-useable due to the incredible interference in this region. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 2:27 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) and I'd also like to see the european longwave AM band implemented in the USA, with expansion down to the 160-190kHz "1750 meter" band. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Jun 18 00:45:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34057 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 07:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 07:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 07:45:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 07:45:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:45:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201c45506$4eb70b00$38b20642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1557 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Chris, if you could come up with a radio for under $80 that would get 1110 KDIS clearly in El Cajon, CA, without any trace from 1130 KSDO, with a treble response to at least 8 kHz (9.6 kHz preferred with a filter at 10kHz) that would be a good use for an AMS radio. :) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Amy wrote: > > There as yet hasn't been any alternative to the Alfredo Lite for the > fleapower broadcaster and experimentor, yet, but I am hopeful someone > will tackle the task sometime. > > Ummm...... The lite has never gone away. I am making them as fast as I can. I had to end the 2 that were on ebay just now, as the past couple of months has seen an unusually high demand, and folks want them faster than I can build them. As for needing an alternative- I can't see why. I have plenty of parts and boards to build these for a long time yet. > > Now, as far as radios go, I did my part- I designed a workable radio, had the boards plated, sent prototypes out to several past and present list members- But there comes a limit to how much one person can do. All this needs is a case designed and built, but that cannot be done without money- But I am wondering now if there is much point? If there are no radio stations using AM for music, and in stereo, there is no need for a radio. How much longer will KABL be in CQUAM? The days are ticking away, I fear. Will CFCO stay in stereo? KCJJ? So many questions, with no real answers... > CC > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Jun 18 00:46:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38209 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 07:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 07:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 07:46:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 07:46:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:46:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c45506$b99aa120$d9b30642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 744 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key ok... then where would be a good band where groundwave coverage could go out to at least 200 to 250 miles with a decent signal? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Dimmer switches and the new compact fluorescent lamps make LW nearly un-useable due to the incredible interference in this region. > cc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pianoplayer88key > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 2:27 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) > > > and I'd also like to see the > european longwave AM band implemented in the USA, with expansion down > to the 160-190kHz "1750 meter" band. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Jun 18 07:38:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31803 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 14:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 14:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 14:38:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 14:38:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:38:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 125 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Chris Cuff's Walkman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Chris... what is the price of your little AM Stereo/FM Stereo Walkman? Does it have a narrow and wide selectivity toggle? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jun 18 07:51:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67354 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 14:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 14:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 14:51:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20040618145032.56672.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:50:32 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:50:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.143 From: "John P." Subject: Anybody heard any BPL in these locations yet? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "The FCC released a list of experimental applications granted in April. Readers concerned out BPL interference may be interested in license WD2XIZ, issued to AT&T Corp. to operate between 1.705 - 80 MHz for testing broadband over power lines in Menlo Park Calif., Florham Park and Middletown, N.J., and Miami." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Jun 18 08:05:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33270 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 15:05:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 15:05:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 15:05:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 15:04:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:04:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040618145032.56672.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 431 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 69.137.8.62 Subject: Re: Anybody heard any BPL in these locations yet? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > Readers concerned out BPL interference may be interested in license WD2XIZ, > issued to AT&T Corp. to operate between 1.705 - 80 MHz for testing broadband > over power lines in Menlo Park Calif., Florham Park and Middletown, N.J., and > Miami." More details about this, please?? I'm in Miami and would definitely like to hear this stuff.....Just somewhat tech-stupid and don't know exactly what this is about. --tony s. From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Jun 18 08:28:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25672 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 15:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 15:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 15:28:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 15:27:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:27:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 606 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 69.137.8.62 Subject: Re: Sony "STR-AV" Canadian series / Yahoo attack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > to cut out any trace of a carrier whistle) -- but then it "recovers" > at 11 kHz, and provides some degree of response at least to 15 kHz Does this explain why my AV-270 did not sound as 'bright' as my SRF- A100 on WWBF, yet was able to pass a 12.5khz. tone when I ran that through my Alfredo Lite? (or maybe I just "thought" it passed the 12.5 khz. tone, and I was really getting a 'filtered', slightly lower frequency tone?)...Interestingly, it didn't really pass the tone with much success, the pilot stayed on for a second or less, and the radio would switch back into Mono mode. --tony s. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Jun 18 14:01:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37737 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 21:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 21:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 21:01:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 21:00:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:00:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 445 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Chris Cuff's Walkman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key also how does the sensitivity and selectivity and frequency response compare to the SRF-42? I would like to get something sometime that has better selectivity & sensitivity than the 42, with the same or close to the same frequency response. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > Chris... what is the price of your little AM Stereo/FM Stereo Walkman? Does it have a > narrow and wide selectivity toggle? From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jun 18 14:03:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41514 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 21:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 21:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 21:03:37 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.99]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:06:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c45577$b47a4e40$63b10642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:03:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff's Walkman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is not available currently. I did not put any type of bandwidth switch on it, as I wanted to keep it simple and affordable. The one IC I was using for the RF front end now has to be bought in 1000 quantities, and as I already have the board designed around that IC, it is doubtful it will ever come to pass. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: {AMSF} Chris Cuff's Walkman Chris... what is the price of your little AM Stereo/FM Stereo Walkman? Does it have a narrow and wide selectivity toggle? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jun 18 14:50:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46584 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 21:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 21:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 21:50:04 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.212]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:52:14 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c4557e$1f794ce0$d4b10642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:49:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff's Walkman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The radio you want does not exist. This list has covered this topic before, and there is no radio that equals the SRF-42 for all it does, and for how cheap it was, it was a "miracle radio"that you will more than likely never see again. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 5:00 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff's Walkman also how does the sensitivity and selectivity [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 18 15:46:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66698 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 22:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 22:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 22:46:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 22:46:25 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56308 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 20:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 20:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 20:45:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 20:45:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:45:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1143 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Jun 2004 22:46:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > I'd like to see the AM band expanded up to 1800kHz (with the spectrum > above 1705kHz reserved for part 15), and I'd also like to see the > european longwave AM band implemented in the USA, with expansion down > to the 160-190kHz "1750 meter" band. > How well (if it would ever come to pass) would something like that work? The 160-190kHz band is already open to part-15 usage to 1 watt. The European LW band actually goes from 150-290kHz, so it well covers the present p15 band. Since the decline in beacon usage has occured (everybody's using GPS, now), much of the LW band under 500kHz is pretty much fair game. It is noisy, though. The same can be said about the 1700-1800kHz band, which has bery little on it as well, and would make an excellent p15 band. Since 160m, the lowest US ham band, starts at 1800, there would be little to no interference caused. I would also like to see the (rather noisy, admittedly) 3MHz "tropical" shortwave broadcast band opened up for private broadcast use, like p15 broadcasting. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 18 15:46:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 240 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 22:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 22:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 22:46:54 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 22:46:40 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87106 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 20:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 20:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 20:46:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 20:46:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:46:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8794AC82-C0F2-11D8-B54A-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 307 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Jun 2004 22:46:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I never received this original post, but it I an interesting idea. > Perhaps it could be submitted to Radio World for extra publicity? Ian's post came from an AMS list that died before this one was started. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 18 15:48:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61125 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 22:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 22:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 22:48:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 22:47:57 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83825 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 21:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 21:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 21:07:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 21:06:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:06:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c45506$b99aa120$d9b30642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 319 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Jun 2004 22:47:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Dimmer switches and the new compact fluorescent lamps make LW nearly un-useable due to the incredible interference in this region. The irony is that's precisely what makes the band ideal for p15- No- one else would want it. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 18 15:48:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81074 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 22:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 22:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 22:48:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 22:48:12 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41516 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 21:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 21:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 21:09:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 21:09:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:09:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 481 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Jun 2004 22:48:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > Chris, if you could come up with a radio for under $80 that would get > 1110 KDIS clearly in El Cajon, CA, without any trace from 1130 KSDO, > with a treble response to at least 8 kHz (9.6 kHz preferred with a > filter at 10kHz) that would be a good use for an AMS radio. :) I think you may be asking a little too much for a radio. But that's just one mouse's opinion. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 18 15:48:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 58814 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 22:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 22:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 22:48:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 22:47:46 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63034 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 21:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 21:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 21:05:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 21:04:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:04:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201c45506$4eb70b00$38b20642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1853 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Jun 2004 22:47:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Amy wrote: > > There as yet hasn't been any alternative to the Alfredo Lite for the > fleapower broadcaster and experimentor, yet, but I am hopeful someone > will tackle the task sometime. > > Ummm...... The lite has never gone away. I am making them as fast as I can. I had to end the 2 that were on ebay just now, as the past couple of months has seen an unusually high demand, and folks want them faster than I can build them. As for needing an alternative- I can't see why. I have plenty of parts and boards to build these for a long time yet. My contention here is that for fleapower AMS broadcasting, there's only one solution, with no other reasonable alternative, other than to get AMS generators, which can be more costly, and punch out more power than p15 allows. > Now, as far as radios go, I did my part- I designed a workable radio, had the boards plated, sent prototypes out to several past and present list members- But there comes a limit to how much one person can do. All this needs is a case designed and built, but that cannot be done without money- But I am wondering now if there is much point? If there are no radio stations using AM for music, and in stereo, there is no need for a radio. How much longer will KABL be in CQUAM? The days are ticking away, I fear. Will CFCO stay in stereo? KCJJ? So many questions, with no real answers... How about making them on-demand, and making sure others are aware of them? Even with the loss of AMS, there still are some AMS stations sticking it out for the long haul, thanks to the dedication of CEs and other station personnel. AMS on the AM band may be a lost cause, but it DOES NOT MEAN that AMS is dead, as long as someone still gives enough of a damn to want it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 18 15:48:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81534 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 22:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 22:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 22:48:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amymousie@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 22:48:23 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64249 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 21:15:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 21:15:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 21:15:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 21:15:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:15:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 329 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.178 Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Jun 2004 22:48:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > ok... then where would be a good band where groundwave coverage could > go out to at least 200 to 250 miles with a decent signal? I've known some who have run LW beacons at about 5W that covered that kind of distance. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 18 19:18:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82637 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2004 02:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2004 02:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2004 02:18:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2004 02:18:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:18:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c4557e$1f794ce0$d4b10642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 825 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.126.222.238 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff's Walkman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > The radio you want does not exist. This list has covered this topic before, and there is no radio that equals the SRF-42 for all it does, and for how cheap it was, it was a "miracle radio"that you will more than likely never see again. > CC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pianoplayer88key > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 5:00 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Chris Cuff's Walkman > > > also how does the sensitivity and selectivity > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hi Gang I have not herd the SRF 42. But i have herd The Sony SRF A300 it dose do a good job of dxing and it sounds very good and it is portable. So try to get one wile you still can. Jim Smith From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Fri Jun 18 20:13:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99737 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2004 03:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2004 03:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2004 03:13:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2004 03:13:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 03:13:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 938 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "dbdigital2004" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.210.90 Subject: Sony SRF-AX15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 I've never posted here before but I have been reading this forum for the last year. It's a pleasure to read the posts of so many knowledgable people, Chris C., Kevin T, Amy M. and others on the subject of AMS and broadcasting in general. I've also just started listening to AMS. It's quite an experience. I never knew AM could sound this good. Unfortunately, the only station that really sounds like it's in stereo in my area is KDIS 1110 in L.A. But even talk radio KABC 790 sounds better in C-QUAM. My question is that I recently purchased a Sony SRF-AX15 (sent to me by a friend in Japan). For a pocket radio it sounds very good but I notice that it doesn't support the expanded band. It stops at 1605 Khz. I seem to recall on one of these posts that there is a way to modify one of these Sony SRF radios to receive the expanded band. Can it be done or was I just imagining that I read it could be done? Thanks db From mikeryan@tpg.com.au Fri Jun 18 20:33:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikeryan@tpg.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23213 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2004 03:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2004 03:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.tpgi.com.au) (203.12.160.59) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2004 03:33:47 -0000 Received: from server (220-245-72-224.tpgi.com.au [220.245.72.224] (may be forged)) by mail.tpgi.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5J3Xi0m021934 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:33:44 +1000 To: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:34:05 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.12.160.59 From: "Mike Ryan" Subject: I've put some AM-Stereo gear on EBay Australia _CCuff Decoder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7573532 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike111ryan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm downsizing my tuner collection, Of interest to some may be the decoder I got from Chris Cuff when I got my SRF-42. Ebay username is mike111ryan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jun 19 00:36:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18702 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2004 07:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2004 07:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2004 07:36:00 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.71]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 03:38:42 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c455d0$0d4c9de0$47b40642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 03:35:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure- The 15 can be tweaked. I "think" the circuit board is marked near the tuner "am osc", which you can turn a bit- but make sure you mark where it was, in case you make it worse. I have a 15, and plan to play a bit with it. The A300 can also be "qucik and dirty" modified to get the FM to at least 101 by crushing 1 turn of the FM osc coil down against the board. The dial scale goes to pot, but so it is.- I only did this to get CBS 101, why I don't know, as their playlist only has 20 songs..... that they play over and over and over. This is where a potentially good station could learn from XM's playlists. CBS has many famous and capable DJ's from AM's golden age that I grew up with. cc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sat Jun 19 00:51:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81998 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2004 07:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2004 07:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.171) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2004 07:51:00 -0000 Received: from user-1269.l6.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.65.36.245] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bbaam-0007YR-JS for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:48:48 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:47:33 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.171 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: AM Stereo Blitz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Amy said: I would also like to see the (rather noisy, admittedly) 3MHz "tropical" shortwave broadcast band opened up for private broadcast use, like p15 broadcasting. Phil responded: It is in Australia with, I believe a power limit of 1Kw. Anyone can apply for an HF license. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com/pages/index.htm From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 19 01:04:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64012 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2004 08:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2004 08:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2004 08:04:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2004 08:04:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:04:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003001c455d0$0d4c9de0$47b40642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1220 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.3 Subject: Re: Sony SRF-AX15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Sure- The 15 can be tweaked. I "think" the circuit board is marked > near the tuner "am osc", which you can turn a bit- but make sure > you mark where it was, in case you make it worse. Almost any analog-tuning radio can be tweaked to increase its tuning range, but you have to do it carefully. In my younger years I would take a transistor radio and fiddle with the coils until it could pull in all sorts of shortwave signals across the AM dial. I had no way of knowing what frequencies I was tuning in, but it was fun nonetheless. > I only did this to get CBS 101, why I don't know, as their playlist > only has 20 songs..... that they play over and over and over. This > is where a potentially good station could learn from XM's > playlists. CBS has many famous and capable DJ's from AM's golden > age that I grew up with. Lately it's almost been a contest to see which station Infinity can screw up the most: 101.1 WCBS-FM, or 102.7 WNEW. CBS-FM is burning its 1964-'75 playlist to a crisp, while WNEW can't even make up its mind what it wants to be -- one month it's AC, the next month it's Hot AC, and now it's a Disco/Dance music station. All the more reason to listen to AM radio, I suppose! From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 19 01:27:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73605 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2004 08:27:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2004 08:27:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2004 08:27:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2004 08:27:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:27:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 429 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.136 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Blitz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Amy said: > > I would also like to see the (rather noisy, admittedly) 3MHz "tropical" > shortwave broadcast band opened up for private broadcast use, like p15 > broadcasting. > > Phil responded: > > It is in Australia with, I believe a power limit of 1Kw. Anyone can > apply for an HF license. *mousie packs bags* :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From cbreton27@hotmail.com Sat Jun 19 12:04:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73928 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2004 19:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2004 19:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.132) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2004 19:04:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:03:36 -0700 Received: from 69.157.143.225 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:03:36 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:03:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2004 19:03:36.0247 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FA3E470:01C45630] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.132 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.143.225] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Questions from member about SRF-A100 radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi John P, Thanks for the answer about the sony a-100, i know i am very lucky !! so it will mean by your answer that i really will never know who's really broadcasting in stereo ?? i live on the east coast near Montreal canada, i get easily radio disney from New york and other abc stations but in stereo ?? i don't know ! Chris thanks for the answer !! >From: "John P." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Questions from member about SRF-A100 radio >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:27:00 -0700 (PDT) > >Christian wrote: "Hi gang, >I have a sony srf a-100 in my hand, and when I'm tuning the band every >signal is in am stereo, how come ?? not every station is broadcasting in am >stereo ? Can somebody help me ? Thanks Chris" > >Chris: first of all, you are lucky if you have an SRF-A100 in your hands. >2nd: >the red LED is a "Tuning" light, not a 'stereo' light. The audio is >'forced' >into the stereo mode, so even if a station is not broadcasting in stereo, >or if >it is in stereo, but doesn't have the pilot on, you will still get some >sort of >a 'stereo effect'. > >What coast are you on? Can you tune in a local Radio Disney or ABC station >and >listen to real AM stereo? > >Let us know. Good luck. > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ From Bossmsx@aol.com Sat Jun 19 16:20:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85943 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2004 23:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2004 23:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2004 23:20:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2004 23:20:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:20:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 517 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 69.137.8.62 Subject: Sony SRF-19W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Has anyone seen this 80s Walkman (which seems to be a close relative of the SRF-A1??) There's a pic of it at: http://www.pocketcalculatorshow.com/walkman/sony/ 7th picture from the top....Anyone know what year it was made, was it made the same year as the A1, and if it indeed was 'of the same mold' as the A1?? Any other close cousins to the A1?? How about the A100?? The SRF-19W appears to have been made in several styles, as my looking around on the 'Net has uncovered 3 different styles. --Tony/Miami From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 19 19:44:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3414 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 02:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 02:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 02:44:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2004 02:44:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:44:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 819 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.129 Subject: Re: Sony SRF-19W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Has anyone seen this 80s Walkman (which seems to be a close > relative of the SRF-A1??) Looks like it might use the same chassis. It might be the non-AM-Stereo forerunner to the SRF-A1. What is still a mystery to me is the AM Stereo-equipped Walkman sitting horizontally, right above the words "Hear! Here" in this promo poster: http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/sonyamspromo.jpg It, and the long radio immediately to the right of it, are the only two radios in that photo that I have not been able to identify. (From left to right, there are the stack of STR-AVxxx series of home receivers, the XR-A33 and XR-A100 car radios, the CFS-6000 boombox, the ST-JX220A and ST-JX520A home tuners on top of the stand, the SRF-A100 and SRF-A1 on smaller pedestals, and the black WM-F16 walkman in front.) From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Jun 19 20:15:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49809 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 03:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 03:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 03:15:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2004 03:15:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 03:15:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 259 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: Sony SRF-19W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee > What is still a mystery to me is the AM Stereo-equipped Walkman > sitting horizontally, right above the words "Hear! Here" in this > promo poster: > > http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/sonyamspromo.jpg Does anyone have a larger jpeg of this pic??? From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jun 19 21:04:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78150 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 04:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 04:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 04:04:05 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.19.145] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:04:03 -0600 Message-ID: <00a601c4567c$52e52960$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:08:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2004 04:04:03.0875 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0033F30:01C4567B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Hearing a beacon is far different than listening to broadcast programming. Can hear it is not the same as getting a good signal. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > ok... then where would be a good band where groundwave coverage > could > > go out to at least 200 to 250 miles with a decent signal? > > I've known some who have run LW beacons at about 5W that covered that > kind of distance. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jun 19 21:22:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55200 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 04:22:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 04:22:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 04:22:53 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.19.145] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:22:51 -0600 Message-ID: <00f201c4567e$f35f65c0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:27:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2004 04:22:51.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[406B0500:01C4567E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Blitz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Might be time to fire up the petition-writing pen again. If I could only remember the LPTV petitioner's name and get his help... Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" > Amy said: > > I would also like to see the (rather noisy, admittedly) 3MHz "tropical" > shortwave broadcast band opened up for private broadcast use, like p15 > broadcasting. > > Phil responded: > > It is in Australia with, I believe a power limit of 1Kw. Anyone can > apply for an HF license. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jun 19 21:27:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86098 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 04:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 04:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 04:27:08 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.19.145] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:27:06 -0600 Message-ID: <00fe01c4567f$8b9a5840$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:31:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2004 04:27:07.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8AC8730:01C4567E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: best digitally-tuned walkmans for converting to AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Doesn't exist and probably won't. Looking at all your posts, the only receiver that can come close to all of what you're looking for performance-wise is the Fanfare FTA-100. Yes, it's not a portable, and yes, it costs megabucks, but that's what's required to do what you're after. As Kevin said- TANSTAAFL. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > Ok... so what out there has the same treble response as my SRF-42, > better bass response would be nice, better selectivity, better > sensitivity (but I could use the select-a-tenna if necessary), and > digital tuning for < $50-100? I want to make decent quality > recordings off of KDIS and some other stations on groundwave from 500 > to 1250 miles away. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jun 19 21:33:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10126 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 04:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 04:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 04:33:40 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.19.145] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:33:38 -0600 Message-ID: <010401c45680$75300360$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:38:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2004 04:33:39.0274 (UTC) FILETIME=[C23BA2A0:01C4567F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Signal strength is a function of the station's power, pattern of their directional antenna, if used, and ground conductivity. If you're beyond the 40mV contour, you're beyond it. The rest is up to the radio. If it can hear clearly down to 25uV, then it can. If not, it never will. It's all a function of design. Time for you to take some more science classes and maybe go into studying electronic engineering as a career. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" Any suggestions on > how to get Radio Disney in AM Stereo on groundwave with at least a > 40-50mV/m signal or what would at least sound like one? > From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jun 19 21:36:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23681 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 04:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 04:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 04:36:45 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.19.145] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:36:43 -0600 Message-ID: <010c01c45680$e37c6700$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:41:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2004 04:36:44.0191 (UTC) FILETIME=[3073BAF0:01C45680] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The ticks are a result of crossover distortion because the amp can't handle the low freqs. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > If I can hear the ticks in the vibrations on the lowest note, am I > actually hearing that frequency at around 16 Hz? (btw that note was > quite flat possibly because the tuner couldn't hear very well down > there, and it's probably more like around 13 or 14 Hz.) > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 19 21:38:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74464 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 04:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 04:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 04:38:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2004 04:38:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 04:37:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a601c4567c$52e52960$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1219 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.136 Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Hearing a beacon is far different than listening to broadcast programming. > Can hear it is not the same as getting a good signal. True, although most such beacons broadcast in AM or a type of AM, rather than suppressed-carrier SSB. While still easier to distinguish over disatances than complex-sideband AM, it still has basicly the same limitations. At least on the local to near-local end, 1750m p15 broadcasting can still offer a decent range, providing the listener doesn't have an excessively high RFI incidence. Why it hasn't caught on is because hardly anyone has ever dealt with longwave in North America, beyond the NDB and broadcast DX hunters. Shortwave, at least, has a better recognition on this continent, but it's still outside most radio listeners' ken. Instead of once being the mainstream of broadcast radio, over-the-air LW and SW is now the outsiders' domain. thanks, especially, to internet radio. We can't fight money, but we can keep the dream alive. This is where we stand our fight. Don't let the dream die. Don't let AM stereo- be it C-QUAM, ISB, or some other- die or be forgotten. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jun 19 21:49:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22157 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 04:49:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 04:49:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 04:49:25 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.19.145] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:49:13 -0600 Message-ID: <011f01c45682$a2a86a60$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:54:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2004 04:49:14.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFA340C0:01C45681] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The problem with it was that it would have required one or more well-heeled individuals to pull it off. The radio manufacturers weren't going to build those radios out of the goodness of their hearts. One or more of US would have had to purchase them and hope that they'd see the success of the promotion. THAT might get them making the radios. If you don't understand that fact, you don't understand how business works. It wasn't apathy, dearest Ian, but that those of us who do care didn't have what it would take to do it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" > > Maybe I was naive and silly. But by Christ I wish we'd have tried ... > > > OK here's the deal. We help to engineer a worldwide AM stereo promotion. > We get 100 stations to each give away 100 AM stereo radios over a period > of three months or so early next year. > > Here's how it goes. Chris (or one of the Kevins, whoever) contacts one of > the Japanese manufacturers asking them to come on board if we can deliver > 100 stations worldwide to participate in an AM stereo promotional > campaign. > > The manufacturer (probably Awai, but maybe Sony - or whoever) agrees to > supply 10,000 AM stereo personal stereo radios to 100 AM stereo stations > throughout the world. The units must be equal to or better than the > SRF-42. The radio stations would have to agree to give these radios away > as competition prizes as part of "The Worldwide AM Stereo Radio Blitz". > > The manufacturer must make no less than 10 times the number of units for > retail sales (hopefully more) and the individual stations must advise > where these products can be purchased each time they give one away. This > would mean that the manufacturer would simply have to add 10% to the > retail cost to offset its giveaways. A universal supplier like Radio > Shack would be an ideal partner to come on board as the retailer. > From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jun 19 21:54:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93853 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 04:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 04:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 04:54:18 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.19.145] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:54:16 -0600 Message-ID: <012701c45683$56fad480$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:59:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2004 04:54:17.0038 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3FF6EE0:01C45682] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It's all a matter of time and money, but I'll do what little I can. I was hoping to get that stereo generator hooked to my little LPB, but time and money haven't been on my side lately. It's still on the to-do list. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > So, in this day of IBOC this and IBOC that, is there any hope for > AMS? I don't know. Not for commercial broadcasting in North America,m > it seems, though. :( For us hobbyists, the only direction left for us > is out.....out of band, that is. Longwave and shortwave. > > But will we? > > I don't know. I would like to think there are a few willing souls who > want to keep AMS alive on the SW bands, using perhaps near-vertical > reflectiing antennas or somesuch. > > Is there anyone out there who would do it? > > You tell me. Would you, my fellow AMS enthusiasts? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 19 23:20:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41626 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 06:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 06:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 06:20:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2004 06:20:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:20:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 244 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.129 Subject: Re: Sony SRF-19W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/sonyamspromo.jpg > > Does anyone have a larger jpeg of this pic??? Well, _someone_ has the whole poster, since it was on eBay a while back... but for the rest of us, that small pic is all we have. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 19 23:30:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75069 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 06:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 06:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 06:30:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2004 06:30:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:30:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 332 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.129 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Don't let the dream die. Don't let AM stereo- be it C-QUAM, ISB, or > some other- die or be forgotten. It sure seems like Leonard Kahn won't, for as long as he's still breathing. He's now calling it the "Cam-D IBOC system", but at its core is still the same ISB AM Stereo he's been tinkering with for nearly half a century. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 20 00:11:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43846 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 07:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 07:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 07:11:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2004 07:11:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:11:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 972 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.162 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Blitz (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Don't let the dream die. Don't let AM stereo- be it C-QUAM, ISB, or > > some other- die or be forgotten. > > It sure seems like Leonard Kahn won't, for as long as he's still > breathing. He's now calling it the "Cam-D IBOC system", but at its > core is still the same ISB AM Stereo he's been tinkering with for > nearly half a century. I think there are ALOT of people who wish they could forget Mr. Kahn, whether any of his ideas had merit or not. Although he has given alot to the cause of AMS, he has equally been a hinderance- Perhaps the biggest liability to AM stereo since the 1950s. Someday, maybe, he'll be looked back upon as one of the true pioneers of AMS (he didn't invent it, but he did kickstart it), but for now, he's just looked upon as a nuisance and an old kook. No, I don't think much of him, but I do think he had some good ideas in there. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 20 01:38:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6165 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 08:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 08:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 08:38:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2004 08:37:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:37:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 458 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.129 Subject: Re: Ol' Lenny X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Someday, maybe, he'll be looked back upon as one of the true > pioneers of AMS (he didn't invent it, but he did kickstart it), > but for now, he's just looked upon as a nuisance and an old kook. I like to say Leonard Kahn is "the Ralph Nader of AM Stereo". I think that sums it up best. And to paraphrase a sentiment some people have expressed, "with the way Leonard Kahn screwed up AM Stereo, maybe now we can count on him to screw up IBOC as well." From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Jun 20 09:11:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36791 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 16:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 16:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.241.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 16:11:23 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040620161117.ROXZ27301.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:11:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:11:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <74128F3C-C2D4-11D8-A66F-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.38 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Ol' Lenny X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sunday, June 20, 2004, at 01:37 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > I like to say Leonard Kahn is "the Ralph Nader of AM Stereo". > I think that sums it up best. > Good analogy, except that Kahn actually knows something. Can't say the same about Nader. > And to paraphrase a sentiment some people have expressed, "with the > way Leonard Kahn screwed up AM Stereo, maybe now we can count on him > to screw up IBOC as well." Problem is, I'm afraid that we may end up with nothing but brokered programming all over the entire band ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From castellano105@yahoo.com Sun Jun 20 09:42:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2616 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 16:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 16:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 16:42:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2004 16:42:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:42:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 333 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 207.30.233.231 Subject: AM Analog is Kaput. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Any way you look at it this is the end for AM Mono and AM Stereo in Analog format. The future of am Brodcasting is in High Digital tranmision,So let's prepare for what ever the future bring in out of Digital Radio. Let's see if we can influence the format of future Brodcasting in AM Digital,Hopefully Music will come back to AM. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 20 10:16:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45612 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 17:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 17:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 17:16:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2004 17:16:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:16:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1552 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.162 Subject: Re: AM Analog is Kaput. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Francisco Guzman" wrote: > Any way you look at it this is the end for AM Mono and AM Stereo in > Analog format. > The future of am Brodcasting is in High Digital tranmision,So let's > prepare for what ever > the future bring in out of Digital Radio. Let's see if we can > influence the format of future > Brodcasting in AM Digital,Hopefully Music will come back to AM. The problem with music on AM has nothing to do with fidelity, as I've tried to explain before: It has everything to do with money, and how expensive running a station can be, especially if you have to pay for royalties everytime you play a song. Digital AM won't bring music; it'll just be the same crapola that they already pump out- because talk is cheap, LITERALLY- only that it'll be digital. And not that good of digital at that. What's killing radio in general is a 5-way stranglehold between the RIAA (for the royalties), radio manufacturers (for only caring about the bottom line instead of quality product), the consultants (who tell everybody this is how they "should" be), and the broadcasters themselves (for even LISTENING to the consultants), as well as the NAB (happily playing supply-side business & politics without any concern for their constituants' customers- the listeners). Rules are inconvenient; the consumer is inconvenient; money is God. The everyday broadcast-radio listener loses, thanks to everybody above. Does anyone care? Nope. That's an inconvenience. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Jun 20 12:05:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39861 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 19:05:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 19:05:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 19:05:06 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040620190504.TEJE25407.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:05:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:05:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.29 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Analog is Kaput. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why weren't /aren't low-rated FM music stations abandoning music as AM did if the main reason was royalties? And those talk stations have to pay royalties for their bumper music.... unless its syndicated, talk is expensive. Syndicated music formats would be relatively cheap as well. On Sunday, June 20, 2004, at 10:16 AM, Amy Mousie wrote: > > > The problem with music on AM has nothing to do with fidelity, as I've > tried to explain before: It has everything to do with money, and how > expensive running a station can be, especially if you have to pay for > royalties everytime you play a song. Digital AM won't bring music; > it'll just be the same crapola that they already pump out- because > talk is cheap, LITERALLY- only that it'll be digital. And not that > good of digital at that. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Jun 20 15:13:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52233 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 22:13:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 22:13:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 22:12:59 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.21.249] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:12:56 -0600 Message-ID: <001901c45714$7221d9c0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:17:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2004 22:12:57.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDD478B0:01C45713] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Analog is Kaput. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually I don't believe they do have to worry about music fees for bumper music. Any clip less than 30 sec. is considered "fair use" and is exempt. You would be right about syndicated music formats, however, which brings me to another observation- looks like we're mostly going to be listening to satellite one way or the other. It'll be either via syndicated formats on terrestrial radio or directly via XM and/or Sirius. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" > Why weren't /aren't low-rated FM music stations abandoning music as AM > did if the main reason was royalties? And those talk stations have to > pay royalties for their bumper music.... unless its syndicated, talk is > expensive. Syndicated music formats would be relatively cheap as well. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 20 18:30:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83330 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 01:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 01:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 01:30:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 01:30:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:30:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001901c45714$7221d9c0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1953 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.138 Subject: Re: AM Analog is Kaput. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The real reason why IBOC is being forced through FCC approval and being put on the air is that radio broadcasters are scared of satellite radio. XM and Sirius are taking more and more listeners away from AM/FM radio, and if local weather and traffic gets added, these listeners may have no reason to ever listen to local radio again (in their minds). As even WOR has said, "we need IBOC in order to compete with satellite radio". And the only component of IBOC that will truly achieve that objective is the proposed Second Audio Channel (SAC) capability of FM IBOC. If you look through all the comments that have been filed with the FCC regarding IBOC, there are countless stations begging the FCC to approve SAC so that they can provide listeners with a second channel of programming. Because, if IBOC only provides a duplicate of a station's existing analog programming, nobody is going to buy the receivers. Why should they spend $500+ on an IBOC receiver when it would deliver nothing new compared to what they're hearing on regular analog radio? So, everybody is seeing this SAC capability of FM IBOC as the "savior" of terrestrial radio against the satellite competition. As of yet, AM IBOC simply doesn't have the bandwidth to accomodate SAC, but there are two solutions to that: either to get full-digital AM IBOC on the air, which would have (barely) enough throughput to accomodate two programming streams, or to allow hybrid AM IBOC's single digital stream to be used for a second programming channel, while the station's main programming would remain analog-only. But the big catch right now is that existing IBOC receivers don't have any SAC capability, because as of yet there is no standard way to transmit it. So when SAC is finally standardized, existing IBOC receivers will hopefully be able to be reprogrammed to add SAC capability, or else these radios will turn into very expensive paperweights! From oldphones@webtv.net Mon Jun 21 05:27:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37947 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 12:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 12:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.194) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 12:27:51 -0000 Received: from storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id EDB9C10646; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 05:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA00382; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 05:27:48 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQTLSO+xT6j0MYaogx1ArCCcKB+5QIUFZnR36VkZ2tySnlUkePykBinanw= Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:27:48 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: W0WRT@webtv.net, ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoguy@hotmail.com, ccuff@in4web.com, dave@nebraskaradio.com, quozl1@earthlink.net, drtillmancg10@webtv.net, florida_amstereo@hotmail.com, gary@thejoneses.com, garyomaha@cox.net, johnnyelectron@buckeye-express.com, toledohamradio@yahoo.com, amfmdx@fastq.com, LindaCSnyder@webtv.net, michaelj@vcn.com, w7msl@tconl.com, JFP@innovativecontrolscorp.com, stodd@kkms.com, 10Kc@fmtc.com, Wobieman3@webtv.net, stodd@mailpobox.com Message-ID: <15795-40D6D444-2579@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 20 Jun 2004 07:39:46 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.194 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Move X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Hi fellow radio guys, I am moving this week and will be largey off net during the move. My phone number should remain the same 402 593-6841 or try the cell phone # 402 618-4541. Don't be surprised if you get a "mail box full" message from Web-TV!! Bill "oldphones" Snyder My new address is: William P. Snyder 4864 South 95th Plaza # 4 Omaha, NE 68127 Please make a note of it. P.S. I didn't do any short wave HF listening this weekend as my shortwave receiver is in storeage for now. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Mon Jun 21 09:02:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42588 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 16:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 16:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 16:02:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 16:02:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:02:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 703 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "dbdigital2004" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.210.90 Subject: Re: Sony SRF-AX15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Sure- The 15 can be tweaked. I "think" the circuit board is marked > > near the tuner "am osc", which you can turn a bit- but make sure > > you mark where it was, in case you make it worse. > > Almost any analog-tuning radio can be tweaked to increase its tuning > range, but you have to do it carefully. In my younger years I would > take a transistor radio and fiddle with the coils until it could pull > in all sorts of shortwave signals across the AM dial. I had no way > of knowing what frequencies I was tuning in, but it was fun > nonetheless. > Thanks, Chris and Kevin. I will try these suggestions. db From bradleyj2@aol.com Mon Jun 21 10:50:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59513 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 17:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 17:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 17:50:50 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id r.1a5.24d7b7a0 (15864) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-d18.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.134]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v99_r4.8) with ESMTP id MAILINID63-3df840d71fd91fd; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:50:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:50:17 -0400 Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4BFE7420.226A0EC1.022E759B@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 216.108.210.98 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.144.208 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: [amstereo] you'll always be able to record off-air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 In a message dated 6/21/2004 12:00:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: > > > Actually Darwin, I must mention something, only because I have run into it > so many times now. And I used to think "no way...there's nothing they can > do about it. Analog is analog." Even in analog they've gotten smart. I've > tried numerous times and ways of hooking my DVD player up to my VCR. It > don't work. You get a very grainy "foggy" picture that slowly fades up to a > high-contrast picture and then back down to foggy muddy and then back > up......and apparantly this is some sort of copy-protection that is built > in. I don't know any way around it, other than buying some kind of little > black box that filters this out. I EVEN tried hooking one VCR to another > the other day and I guess the playback VCR was new enough that it had this > "copy protection" built in to it as well.....same problem. So I guess > analog ISN'T analog anymore :( > > Michael n WYO You ran into the 'ol Macrovision copy protection. If you have one of the older TV's where you can play with the Horizontal hold, you can see 5 or 6 white boxes in the (I think it's called) VBI...They pulse on and off to screw with the AGC on the VCR...Most televisions can cope with it, though. They've been using this type of copy protection since the mid 80's on VHS tapes. Of note...On DVD's, the copy protection is NOT on the DVD...The mpeg decoder in the DVD player adds it into the signal based on a certain flag bit (Therefore some dvd's can be copied...and some (wink wink) DVD players can be flashed to disable Macrovision) Also, some older VCR's will copy these tapes/DVD's...JVC was the first to make their VCR's AGC respond to the protection...Many older Zenith/Sony/ProScan VCR's will make copies....Or so I've been told ;-) - Brad Jackson - Afternoon Drive/Imaging Director - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL - http://www.wkmx.com From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Mon Jun 21 13:27:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69059 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 20:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 20:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 20:27:02 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.236.87.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.236.87] helo=earthlink.net) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BcVNd-0000An-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:27:02 -0700 Message-ID: <40D744A1.49F59714@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:27:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4BFE7420.226A0EC1.022E759B@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.84 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [amstereo] you'll always be able to record off-air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Some of the DVD/VHS Combination Units (that play both DVD & VHS, but record only on VHS) apparently will record a DVD movie onto VHS. (Or so I've been told) Dick W. bradleyj2@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/21/2004 12:00:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: > > > > > > > Actually Darwin, I must mention something, only because I have run into it > > so many times now. And I used to think "no way...there's nothing they can > > do about it. Analog is analog." Even in analog they've gotten smart. I've > > tried numerous times and ways of hooking my DVD player up to my VCR. It > > don't work. You get a very grainy "foggy" picture that slowly fades up to a > > high-contrast picture and then back down to foggy muddy and then back > > up......and apparantly this is some sort of copy-protection that is built > > in. I don't know any way around it, other than buying some kind of little > > black box that filters this out. I EVEN tried hooking one VCR to another > > the other day and I guess the playback VCR was new enough that it had this > > "copy protection" built in to it as well.....same problem. So I guess > > analog ISN'T analog anymore :( > > > > Michael n WYO > > You ran into the 'ol Macrovision copy protection. If you have one of the older TV's where you can play with the Horizontal hold, you can see 5 or 6 white boxes in the (I think it's called) VBI...They pulse on and off to screw with the AGC on the VCR...Most televisions can cope with it, though. They've been using this type of copy protection since the mid 80's on VHS tapes. > > Of note...On DVD's, the copy protection is NOT on the DVD...The mpeg decoder in the DVD player adds it into the signal based on a certain flag bit (Therefore some dvd's can be copied...and some (wink wink) DVD players can be flashed to disable Macrovision) Also, some older VCR's will copy these tapes/DVD's...JVC was the first to make their VCR's AGC respond to the protection...Many older Zenith/Sony/ProScan VCR's will make copies....Or so I've been told ;-) > > - Brad Jackson > - Afternoon Drive/Imaging Director > - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL > - http://www.wkmx.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jun 21 13:59:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75747 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 20:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 20:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 20:59:48 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.90]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:02:14 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c457d2$9e5473e0$5ab30642@4bmx301> To: References: <4BFE7420.226A0EC1.022E759B@aol.com> <40D744A1.49F59714@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:59:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [amstereo] you'll always be able to record off-air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have not tried this yet, but I have a few of the old (like 14 years old)Sony stereo 8mm analog VCR recorders. Someone told me you can copy to this format, then redo it onto a digital medium again. Anyone ever try this? Chris ----- Original Message ----- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Mon Jun 21 15:27:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18474 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 22:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 22:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 22:27:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 22:26:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:26:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c457d2$9e5473e0$5ab30642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 632 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "dbdigital2004" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.210.90 Subject: {AMSF} Re: [amstereo] you'll always be able to record off-air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I have not tried this yet, but I have a few of the old (like 14 years old)Sony stereo 8mm analog VCR recorders. Someone told me you can copy to this format, then redo it onto a digital medium again. > Anyone ever try this? > Chris Yes Chris, you can get clean dubs of Macrovision encoded videos to Video 8. The same holds true of Hi8 and even later models of Betamax VCR's. What you can't do is dub that Video 8 copy back to VHS. Macrovision will be on the Video 8 copy and will affect the ALC of the VHS machine. Learned this from experience. db From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 21 16:29:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82494 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 23:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 23:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 23:29:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 23:29:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:29:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4BFE7420.226A0EC1.022E759B@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1718 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.133 Subject: Re: you'll always be able to record off-air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Of note...On DVD's, the copy protection is NOT on the DVD...The > mpeg decoder in the DVD player adds it into the signal based on a > certain flag bit (Therefore some dvd's can be copied...and some > (wink wink) DVD players can be flashed to disable Macrovision) _Any_ kind of copy protection can be defeated. Remember the old Apple ][ and MS-DOS days when commercial software was often copy- protected? There were ways to defeat that... just as there are ways to defeat DVD's Region Code and MacroVision nonsense. And now this bullsugar about the RIAA wanting to prevent people from recording digital radio... well then, why haven't they tried to prevent the sale of radios which let you record analog radio to cassette? And it's not like with IBOC, radio stations will be playing complete albums over the air, with no audio processing and no DJs talking over the beginning and ending of songs. The RIAA is really just clutching at straws, looking for _some_ way to double-dip their hand in the cookie jar and squeeze even more out of the music industry that they are already strangling to death. One other thing I wonder is why the RIAA hasn't cracked down on the largest music piracy scheme in the nation: the public library system, which provides an almost unlimited supply of free music, which anybody can check out and copy at home using any PC with a CD burner, without paying a dime and without having to wait for poor-quality MP3s to download. Anyway, enough ranting... all I can say is, we should be _proud_ that people have the ability to make recordings of TV and radio. Because while in the short term it may be considered piracy, in the long term it is considered _history_. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 21 20:14:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24344 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2004 03:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2004 03:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2004 03:14:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2004 03:14:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:14:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 128 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.7 Subject: AM Stereo decoder on Aussie eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics "Hand crafted by AM Stereo Techno-Guru and Artisan Chris Cuff": http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5705618146 From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Mon Jun 21 22:22:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86132 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2004 02:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2004 02:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.182) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2004 02:01:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:01:49 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay22-dav2.bay22.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 02:01:49 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:03:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2004 02:01:49.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1409E20:01C457FC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.182 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: Motorola Manual Posted;) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd The Motorola Manual has posted to http://www.part15.us here http://www.part15.us/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=5 and here is a direct link.... http://www.ekkobsd.org/~rchrys/1300ams.pdf Schematics will be coming at a later date. Enjoy;) Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jun 22 00:53:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64167 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2004 07:53:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2004 07:53:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2004 07:53:04 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.170]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:54:52 -0400 Message-ID: <003d01c4582d$c9c7bea0$aab40642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:51:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [amstereo] you'll always be able to record off-air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm.... sounds good- I have one of the portable LCD video 8 walkmans that I like to carry with me on trips- Having favorite movies on 8MM is fine with me! Thanks- CC ----- Original Message ----- From: dbdigital2004 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 6:26 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: [amstereo] you'll always be able to record off-air Yes Chris, you can get clean dubs of Macrovision encoded videos to Video 8. The same holds true of Hi8 and even later models of Betamax VCR's. What you can't do is dub that Video 8 copy back to VHS. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jun 22 13:51:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4873 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2004 20:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2004 20:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2004 20:51:39 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.11]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:54:07 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c4589a$a4a80860$0bb40642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:51:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo decoder on Aussie eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow- That truly IS a hand made one! I made very few of these, and plated the boards right in the kitchen. This is the TA8124 version, with the 3 tuning LED's. I forgot I actually sent anyone one of these. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:14 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo decoder on Aussie eBay "Hand crafted by AM Stereo Techno-Guru and Artisan Chris Cuff": http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5705618146 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Tue Jun 22 14:43:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62012 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2004 21:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2004 21:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.194) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2004 21:42:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:42:01 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay22-dav14.bay22.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:42:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:44:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2004 21:42:01.0247 (UTC) FILETIME=[C04D0AF0:01C458A1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.194 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: wtd:PLL FM Tuner w/Demod out(composite/baseband) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I need to feed a commercial FM broadcast modulation monitor. (Belar SCAM / FMS Series.) TIA Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Wed Jun 23 01:33:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55786 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2004 17:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2004 17:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.194) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2004 17:35:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:34:48 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay22-dav14.bay22.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:34:48 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:36:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2004 17:34:48.0765 (UTC) FILETIME=[3773E6D0:01C4587F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.194 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] Subject: wtd:FM PLL Tuner w/Demod output X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I am looking for a PLL FM tuner w/demod(composite) out for feeding FM broadcast modulation monitors. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Jun 23 07:48:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37720 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2004 14:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2004 14:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2004 14:48:24 -0000 Received: from jimspc (dial-23-as002-1.col.iquest.net [209.43.60.23]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5NEmIcL046233 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:48:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002501c45931$218ced50$173c2bd1@jimspc> To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:48:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: you'll always be able to record off-air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > One other thing I wonder is why the RIAA hasn't cracked down on the > largest music piracy scheme in the nation: the public library system, > which provides an almost unlimited supply of free music, which > anybody can check out and copy at home using any PC with a CD burner, > without paying a dime and without having to wait for poor-quality > MP3s to download. It's ironic that in the settlement of a class-action against the record industry for price fixing, they had to donate product to public libraries all over America. There was a big story this past weekend in the local paper about how libraries hit pay-dirt in this settlement. As you stated, what do people do with these CD's?.... They take 'em home and rip 'em and burn their own CD's and not a single penny is returned to the record industry. From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Jun 23 12:08:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73338 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2004 19:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2004 19:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2004 19:08:47 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id r.9e.db20a21 (15864) for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m10.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.138]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v99_r4.8) with ESMTP id MAILINID63-3df840d9d537346; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:08:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:08:39 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5F5F4AA3.3E231688.00166593@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 204.215.240.103 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.1 From: Bossmsx@aol.com Subject: Tampa,Fla. FM question. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Question for the Tampa, Fla. people on this list (a few of you here are from there): Is WTMP-FM over in Dade City still sending out Mono audio up to 20khz?? Trying to figure out what to do for 7/4 weekend, and that area is a possibility to go to. --Tony S. From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Jun 23 21:59:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25423 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2004 04:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2004 04:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2004 04:59:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2004 04:59:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:59:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 291 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 207.69.139.133 Subject: KCBS Digital X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I listened until sunset when they shut the digital off and there was a definite unmistakeable screeching sound for a second when they turned the digital off. The sound is definitely better in analog. That says plenty right there. I used the Denon TU-680 NAB in wide band to hear it. From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Jun 24 11:09:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82813 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2004 18:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2004 18:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2004 18:09:30 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id r.83.f1f588e (16087) for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m10.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.138]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v99_r4.8) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed740db18a9245; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:08:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:08:41 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <757C5C68.7E16A569.00166593@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 209.26.126.28 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.1 From: Bossmsx@aol.com Subject: WANTED: "Coke" SRF-A1 Walkman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 I suppose I'm asking for something that's impossible, but if someone's got it, it might as well be here... Looking for a Canadian Sony SRF-A1 "Coke" Walkman..Will entertain all offers...Must be original and unmodified in ALL respects, technical and cosmetic, inside and out (VERY important), fair-good to excellent condition. Contact me privately in the remote event that you have such a thing. tony s. From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jun 24 13:43:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56296 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2004 20:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2004 20:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2004 20:43:05 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.183.62]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:44:48 -0400 Message-ID: <003d01c45a2b$a9423ac0$dcb10642@4bmx301> To: References: <757C5C68.7E16A569.00166593@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:41:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WANTED: "Coke" SRF-A1 Walkman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony, I have only seen one that I got on ebay which was not advertised correctly, so it went under everyone's radar. I sold it a couple of years ago, and it brought an incredible amount. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Bossmsx@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: {AMSF} WANTED: "Coke" SRF-A1 Walkman I suppose I'm asking for something that's impossible, but if someone's got it, it might as well be here... Looking for a Canadian Sony SRF-A1 "Coke" Walkman.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Jun 24 13:59:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77769 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2004 20:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2004 20:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2004 20:59:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2004 20:58:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:58:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 71 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.26.25 Subject: Javaradio for AM Stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Quite a few now. Are these able to be converted for c-quam am stereo ? From dav259@csiro.au Thu Jun 24 15:51:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55000 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2004 22:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2004 22:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail3.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2004 22:51:28 -0000 Received: from csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 021175402C for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:51:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7A35400E for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:51:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OMpLqr020873 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:51:21 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:51:21 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.14 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Court Blocks Deregulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Good news! A federal appeals court has mostly reversed a landmark set of rule changes from the FCC that would have allowed companies to own more radio and TV stations in the same market. " FCC chairman Michael Powell called the court's decision 'deeply troubling' and said it 'hampers the flexibility of the agency to protect the American public'. " http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2707-2004Jun24.html From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Jun 25 09:49:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15728 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2004 16:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2004 16:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2004 16:49:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2004 16:48:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:48:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 802 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Heathkit AJ-21 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I know several of us on this board own a Heathkit AJ-21 AM Tuner... does anyone have the owners manual/schematic??? I've looked for it on eBay and through some online vendors, BUT no one seems to have it!!! I want to extend the wiring so that I can remove its ferrite antenna from the back of the unit and move it around the room. I keep my receiver and tuner on a shelf above my computer desk, and so my computer tower messes up the AJ-21's reception pretty badly. There are FOUR wires routed into the coil around the AJ-21's ferrite antenna. I'm not sure what they all do. Seems like you'd only need TWO connected to the coil??? If someone DOES have a manual, maybe you could scan the section of the schematic that shows the ferrite rod connections... ??? thanks! Douglas DeepCoffee From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 25 14:04:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18072 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2004 21:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2004 21:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2004 21:04:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2004 21:03:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:03:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 985 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 68.124.97.69 Subject: Re: Heathkit AJ-21 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > I know several of us on this board own a Heathkit AJ-21 AM Tuner... does anyone > have the owners manual/schematic??? I've looked for it on eBay and through some > online vendors, BUT no one seems to have it!!! > > I want to extend the wiring so that I can remove its ferrite antenna from the back of > the unit and move it around the room. I keep my receiver and tuner on a shelf above > my computer desk, and so my computer tower messes up the AJ-21's reception > pretty badly. > > There are FOUR wires routed into the coil around the AJ-21's ferrite antenna. I'm not > sure what they all do. Seems like you'd only need TWO connected to the coil??? > > If someone DOES have a manual, maybe you could scan the section of the schematic > that shows the ferrite rod connections... ??? > > thanks! > > Douglas > DeepCoffee Hi Move the tuner to the other side of the room. Jim Smith From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Jun 25 15:14:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35823 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2004 22:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2004 22:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2004 22:14:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2004 22:14:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:14:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 73 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: Heathkit AJ-21 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee > Hi Move the tuner to the other side of the room. Jim Smith funny... From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 25 16:54:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90674 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2004 23:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2004 23:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.181) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2004 23:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.123.98.117 with login) by smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2004 23:54:53 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c45b0f$539aafa0$d56bfea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:13:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.181 From: Subject: computers and radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I have found that if you have your radio to close to comuters monotors and and phone lins with motums and printers you will get a lot of noise. Right now i am lissening to a 5kw station from 100 miles away wile i am typing. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 25 17:01:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7062 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2004 00:01:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2004 00:01:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2004 00:01:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2004 00:01:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:01:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1604 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.12 Subject: Re: Heathkit AJ-21 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I want to extend the wiring so that I can remove its ferrite > antenna from the back of the unit and move it around the room. > I keep my receiver and tuner on a shelf above my computer desk, and > so my computer tower messes up the AJ-21's reception pretty badly. Actually most of the time it is the monitor which causes most of the interference, not the computer itself (as long as it has a metal case; less expensive computers with plastic cases may not be as well- shielded). And if you have a constant whine or whistle on your favorite AM station(s) when the monitor is on, try changing its refresh rate (in Windows, go to Control Panel / Display / Settings / Advanced / Adapter). Changing the refresh rate will not eliminate this interference but will move it to different frequencies, so maybe it will no longer affect the stations you listen to most. Reducing the brightness of the monitor will also usually reduce the strength of this interference. > There are FOUR wires routed into the coil around the AJ-21's > ferrite antenna. I'm not sure what they all do. Seems like you'd > only need TWO connected to the coil??? There are probably two windings on the coil, with two wires each. But the tuner does have antenna and ground connections, right? Perhaps you could try connecting an external antenna, such as a Terk AM Advantage or the "hard-wired" version of the Select-A-Tenna, and also an earth ground. Then you could place this antenna in a spot with better reception (like next to a window) without moving the tuner or having to remove its attached antenna coil. From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Jun 25 18:32:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11385 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2004 01:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2004 01:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2004 01:32:11 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.23.219] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:32:09 -0600 Message-ID: <003d01c45b1e$218c3600$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:37:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2004 01:32:10.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[66A560F0:01C45B1D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-21 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Easy- two wires are for the antenna coil, and two are for a coil that's part of the oscillator circuit. Adding a great length of wire to that will royally screw up your dial tracking (too much capacitance.) Better take Jim's advice- move it to another part of the room. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas" To: Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 11:48 AM Subject: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-21 question > I know several of us on this board own a Heathkit AJ-21 AM Tuner... does anyone > have the owners manual/schematic??? I've looked for it on eBay and through some > online vendors, BUT no one seems to have it!!! > > I want to extend the wiring so that I can remove its ferrite antenna from the back of > the unit and move it around the room. I keep my receiver and tuner on a shelf above > my computer desk, and so my computer tower messes up the AJ-21's reception > pretty badly. > > There are FOUR wires routed into the coil around the AJ-21's ferrite antenna. I'm not > sure what they all do. Seems like you'd only need TWO connected to the coil??? > > If someone DOES have a manual, maybe you could scan the section of the schematic > that shows the ferrite rod connections... ??? > > thanks! > > Douglas > DeepCoffee > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From zebra@strangeanimals.net Fri Jun 25 20:17:51 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From zebra@strangeanimals.net Fri Jun 25 20:22:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74309 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2004 03:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2004 03:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2004 03:22:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2004 03:22:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 03:22:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1484 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "amradiozebra" X-Originating-IP: 66.52.157.19 Subject: aiwa HS-JX859D for sale, $75 (second attempt at a post!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra I thought I'd offer it here on the list at a good price before moving over to ebay... This unit has AM stereo/FM stereo/Auto reverse casette deck with dolby B/Stereo record to the tape deck, including a small external stereo microphone!. It has decent AM sound, with a single bandwidth that seems in the 7KC range to my ears. It's pleasing to listen to in any case. It has a small internal lead acid battery that still works pretty well. It has an external 2 AAA battery pack. It comes with remote control-equipped headphones (bud type) but works with any mini phones. It has a 4-position tone control. Still have the instruction manyual and the original pleather carrying bag. It has dolby only for playback! It does record in stereo, but no dolby. Good for airchecks and with a quality tape it does OK for live events. There is a small cosmetic dent in the bottom corner of the case that affects nothing about the unit's performance. It looks good for its' age with no real scratching. there is some scuffing on the external battery case, nothing you couldn't easily buff out if you were inclined I'll sell it for $75 (paypal) and that is a good price AFAICT. email me at strangeanimal@n... if you want it - first one with the casH available will get it. don't paypal me at that account however, email me first, in case there are multiple people who want it. I expect you NOT to turn around and sell it on ebay - please, only if you want the radio for what it is. -mike From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Jun 25 20:28:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68188 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2004 03:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2004 03:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2004 03:28:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2004 03:28:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 03:28:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003d01c45b1e$218c3600$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 378 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: Heathkit AJ-21 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee -- Adding a great length of wire to that will royally screw up your dial tracking (too much capacitance.) -- Hmmm... don't want to do THAT. I've got a Radio Shack AM loop that works great on the Heathkit. But I usually keep the loop hooked up to my Marantz SR940. I guess I just need to get another external antenna for the Heathkit. Thanks for everyone's feedback! From dav259@csiro.au Fri Jun 25 20:59:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22082 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2004 03:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2004 03:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail3.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2004 03:59:35 -0000 Received: from csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C85554028; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:59:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296B654012; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:59:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5Q3xVqr028136; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:59:32 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:59:31 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Cc: , amstereoforum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.14 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: [greylinedx] Aussie AM Stereo Stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Thanks Robert Any reports on any other AM stereo stations in Oz? Things are looking grim. Can anyone report on how the digital (DAB) trials in Melbourne and Sydney are going? It would seem that any digital launch is going to follow the way of the AM stereo launch in 1985 ... The best kept secret in town. Pity. Ian Melbourne __________________________________________ On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, Robert Copeman wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I Haven't done a lot of AM DX'ing lately. Still recovering from my recent > illness and am going to bed early each night (doctor's orders!!). Otherwise, > I am feeling fairly good. Anyway, enough about me. Here is an AM Stereo > Station list of Australian AM stations, from the info I have. > > KHZ CALL COUNTRY LOCATION > 693 3EE AUS Melbourne(Magic 693) > 864 4GR AUS Toowoomba > 927 3UZ AUS Melbourne(Sport 927) > 1008 4TAB AUS Brisbane > 1053 2CA AUS Canberra > 1116 3AK AUS Melbourne(SEN) > 1143 2HD AUS Newcastle > 1332 4BU AUS Bundaberg > > Some of these only use stereo in commercials and possibly station promos, > though 3EE, 4GR, 2CA and 4BU are all in true AM stereo. There may be some > running in AM stereo in West Australia as these are impossible to check here > in Melbourne. Other AM stations have the stereo light come on, but are not > broadcasting in stereo. To mention a few examples there would be 1170 2CH > Sydney, 1206 2CC Canberra and 1503 2BS Bathurst. There are others around as > well. > > Anyway, that,'s all the news. Until next time > > Regards > > Robert > From cbreton27@hotmail.com Sat Jun 26 04:18:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40801 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2004 11:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2004 11:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2004 11:18:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 04:18:45 -0700 Received: from 69.157.134.140 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:18:45 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:18:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2004 11:18:45.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[586E0800:01C45B6F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.56 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.134.140] Subject: dodge shadow 1988 car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi Gang ! I would like to know, how can i make it work a car radio in my home ? i know i need a battery 12 volts, and the rest i don't know. I'm looking for that car radio, i was a driver of that car back in the 90's, my parents had put this piece in the garbage a few years ago... Thanks a lot for the answer !! Chris _________________________________________________________________ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sat Jun 26 04:40:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17146 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2004 11:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2004 11:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2004 11:40:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 04:40:00 -0700 Received: from 68.77.111.177 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:40:00 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:40:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2004 11:40:00.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[508AA780:01C45B72] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.41 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.77.111.177] Subject: RE: {AMSF} dodge shadow 1988 car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane You don't necessarily need a car battery. Radio Shack carries regulated 12-volt power converters. I have an AM stereo unit from a '90 Eagle Talon in my garage that I hooked up this way. Using a converter, you won't have to worry about the battery going dead, leaking, etc. For speakers, I used ones available at Wal*Mart, Meijer, ABC Warehouse, Best Buy, Circuit City, etc that are in a box enclosure (with the felt wrapped around it). These speakers were around $25 and sound OK. I didn't want to spend too much since this is in the garage and I don't spend a lot of time out there. Also, I couldn't let a good AM stereo unit just sit around! For the antenna, I just got an inexpensive replacement unit found in the above stores and also in auto parts stores. Hope this helps. Paul Crane >From: "christian breton" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} dodge shadow 1988 car radio >Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:18:45 -0400 > > > >Hi Gang ! > > >I would like to know, how can i make it work a car radio in my home ? i >know >i need a battery 12 volts, and the rest i don't know. > >I'm looking for that car radio, i was a driver of that car back in the >90's, >my parents had put this piece in the garbage a few years ago... > >Thanks a lot for the answer !! > >Chris > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! >http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sat Jun 26 04:53:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96165 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2004 11:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2004 11:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.168) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2004 11:53:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 04:53:00 -0700 Received: from 68.77.111.177 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:53:00 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:53:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2004 11:53:00.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[21668F80:01C45B74] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.168 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.77.111.177] Subject: RE: {AMSF} dodge shadow 1988 car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Some days I can't just shut up... This may also help: http://www.installdr.com/Harnesses/DCP-Wiring.pdf The Install Dr. has helped me out a few time. Paul Crane >From: "Paul Crane" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: {AMSF} dodge shadow 1988 car radio >Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:40:00 -0400 > >You don't necessarily need a car battery. Radio Shack carries regulated >12-volt power converters. I have an AM stereo unit from a '90 Eagle Talon >in my garage that I hooked up this way. Using a converter, you won't have >to worry about the battery going dead, leaking, etc. > >For speakers, I used ones available at Wal*Mart, Meijer, ABC Warehouse, >Best >Buy, Circuit City, etc that are in a box enclosure (with the felt wrapped >around it). These speakers were around $25 and sound OK. I didn't want to >spend too much since this is in the garage and I don't spend a lot of time >out there. Also, I couldn't let a good AM stereo unit just sit around! > >For the antenna, I just got an inexpensive replacement unit found in the >above stores and also in auto parts stores. > >Hope this helps. > >Paul Crane > > > >From: "christian breton" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: {AMSF} dodge shadow 1988 car radio > >Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:18:45 -0400 > > > > > > > >Hi Gang ! > > > > > >I would like to know, how can i make it work a car radio in my home ? i > >know > >i need a battery 12 volts, and the rest i don't know. > > > >I'm looking for that car radio, i was a driver of that car back in the > >90's, > >my parents had put this piece in the garbage a few years ago... > > > >Thanks a lot for the answer !! > > > >Chris > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! > >http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! 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Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From cbreton27@hotmail.com Sat Jun 26 05:03:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42689 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2004 12:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2004 12:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2004 12:03:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 05:03:41 -0700 Received: from 69.157.134.140 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:03:40 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:03:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2004 12:03:41.0066 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F089EA0:01C45B75] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.78 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.134.140] Subject: RE: {AMSF} dodge shadow 1988 car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi Paul, So i connect the converter and the speakers, as i remember for the dodge shadow car radio when it was in the garage, the radio was left without any wires in the back of the radio. How do i do the job ? Does it enough clear for you ? Chris >From: "Paul Crane" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: {AMSF} dodge shadow 1988 car radio >Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:40:00 -0400 > >You don't necessarily need a car battery. Radio Shack carries regulated >12-volt power converters. I have an AM stereo unit from a '90 Eagle Talon >in my garage that I hooked up this way. Using a converter, you won't have >to worry about the battery going dead, leaking, etc. > >For speakers, I used ones available at Wal*Mart, Meijer, ABC Warehouse, >Best >Buy, Circuit City, etc that are in a box enclosure (with the felt wrapped >around it). These speakers were around $25 and sound OK. I didn't want to >spend too much since this is in the garage and I don't spend a lot of time >out there. Also, I couldn't let a good AM stereo unit just sit around! > >For the antenna, I just got an inexpensive replacement unit found in the >above stores and also in auto parts stores. > >Hope this helps. > >Paul Crane > > > >From: "christian breton" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: {AMSF} dodge shadow 1988 car radio > >Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:18:45 -0400 > > > > > > > >Hi Gang ! > > > > > >I would like to know, how can i make it work a car radio in my home ? i > >know > >i need a battery 12 volts, and the rest i don't know. > > > >I'm looking for that car radio, i was a driver of that car back in the > >90's, > >my parents had put this piece in the garbage a few years ago... > > > >Thanks a lot for the answer !! > > > >Chris > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! > >http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sat Jun 26 07:06:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37120 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2004 14:06:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2004 14:06:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2004 14:06:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:06:42 -0700 Received: from 68.77.111.102 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:06:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:06:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2004 14:06:42.0240 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE8E6400:01C45B86] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.75 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.77.111.102] Subject: RE: {AMSF} dodge shadow 1988 car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Christian - Sounds like you need a harness. You've got a few options here: 1. www.radiosandmore.com. In the search area, enter harness and choose the one you need. If you need more help, call the toll free number on the screen. I've used these guys before. 2. Go to a salvage yard. They hesitate to sell you one, unless the dash board is damaged. They like to be able to sell a complete dash, wires and all. 3. Your local Dodge dealer. Expect to pay a lot. When dealing with any of the above, make sure you tell them that you want the harness that plugs into the back of the stereo NOT the one that plugs into the wiring harness in the dash. This is not something that you can buy out of the regular auto parts store. Hopefully that helps. Paul Crane PS. One additional thought. I'm not familiar with that particular radio but I'll assume it has 2 power wires like most car stereos. One goes directly to the battery (to store freqs and keep time if it has a clock) and the other to the ignition. In my set up, I connected both to the power supply. The down side is if I get a power outage, I have to re-set everything. If you use both battery and power supply, you can avoid this problem. pmc >From: "christian breton" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: {AMSF} dodge shadow 1988 car radio >Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:03:40 -0400 > > >Hi Paul, > > >So i connect the converter and the speakers, as i remember for the dodge >shadow >car radio when it was in the garage, the radio was left without any wires >in >the back of the radio. >How do i do the job ? > >Does it enough clear for you ? > > >Chris > > > > > >From: "Paul Crane" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: RE: {AMSF} dodge shadow 1988 car radio > >Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:40:00 -0400 > > > >You don't necessarily need a car battery. Radio Shack carries regulated > >12-volt power converters. I have an AM stereo unit from a '90 Eagle >Talon > >in my garage that I hooked up this way. Using a converter, you won't >have > >to worry about the battery going dead, leaking, etc. > > > >For speakers, I used ones available at Wal*Mart, Meijer, ABC Warehouse, > >Best > >Buy, Circuit City, etc that are in a box enclosure (with the felt wrapped > >around it). These speakers were around $25 and sound OK. I didn't want >to > >spend too much since this is in the garage and I don't spend a lot of >time > >out there. Also, I couldn't let a good AM stereo unit just sit around! > > > >For the antenna, I just got an inexpensive replacement unit found in the > >above stores and also in auto parts stores. > > > >Hope this helps. > > > >Paul Crane > > > > > > >From: "christian breton" > > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: {AMSF} dodge shadow 1988 car radio > > >Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:18:45 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Gang ! > > > > > > > > >I would like to know, how can i make it work a car radio in my home ? i > > >know > > >i need a battery 12 volts, and the rest i don't know. > > > > > >I'm looking for that car radio, i was a driver of that car back in the > > >90's, > > >my parents had put this piece in the garbage a few years ago... > > > > > >Thanks a lot for the answer !! > > > > > >Chris > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! > > >http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jun 26 18:33:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18482 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2004 01:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2004 01:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2004 01:33:32 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.21.152] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:33:30 -0600 Message-ID: <003901c45be7$7d7e03c0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:38:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2004 01:33:30.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0E2EF00:01C45BE6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} dodge shadow 1988 car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You can get connectors under the Turbowire brand at Circuit City. Color codes will be on the package. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "christian breton" > So i connect the converter and the speakers, as i remember for the dodge > shadow > car radio when it was in the garage, the radio was left without any wires in > the back of the radio. > How do i do the job ? From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sat Jun 26 21:48:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1050 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2004 04:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2004 04:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2004 04:48:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2004 04:48:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 04:48:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 554 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 207.69.139.137 Subject: Re: KCBS Digital X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Today, I heard KCBS with the Sony SRF A-100 and in the forced-stereo mode, the noise from the digital is bad.... It's better in mono. No trouble after they shut the thing off. Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, tom_richard1980@y... wrote: > I listened until sunset when they shut the digital off and there was > a definite unmistakeable screeching sound for a second when they > turned the digital off. The sound is definitely better in analog. > That says plenty right there. > > I used the Denon TU-680 NAB in wide band to hear it. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Jun 27 15:17:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29389 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2004 22:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2004 22:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2004 22:17:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2004 22:17:42 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13040 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2004 08:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2004 08:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2004 08:04:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2004 08:04:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:04:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 684 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: request for online streaming station? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 27 Jun 2004 22:17:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 Does anyone have an SRF-42, a Carver TX-11*, or any other hi-fi AM Stereo tuner, and an internet connection with at least 256kbps or 320kbps upload bandwidth to spare? I would love to be able to hear any one of the following AM Stereo stations (preferably streamed in mp3 format): KDIS, KADZ, WRDZ, WDSS, KDZR, KMKI The groundwave signal on my SRF-42 from KDIS isn't good enough for me to record music (so I don't have to buy CDs then answer my parents as to why I have those CDs... ;) --- if I could get the CDs as unlabeled (or at least abbreviated label) CD-R's, I might consider it, at no more than the cost of royalties for the songs, plus the duplication cost of the media.) From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Jun 27 21:24:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33792 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2004 04:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2004 04:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2004 04:24:02 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5S4O1u4019981 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:24:01 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5S4Nu2v007377 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:23:56 +1000 Received: from ausym000.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5S4Nu5w007360 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:23:56 +1000 Received: by ausym000.apac.corp.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:23:56 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF209ABDC3A@aubwm206.apac.corp.eds.com> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:23:53 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: AM Stereo Exciter options X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Guys, Need some support here please!! Kevin this might be one for you! http://www.pcs-electronics.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=513 The PCS people make a very nice wideband AM tuner that is DSP based. I wonder if there is enough CPU headroom to implement CQUAM encoding in DSP? http://www.pcs-electronics.com/en/products.php?sub=am_transmitters Cheers, Matt From berettagtz@bonbon.net Mon Jun 28 04:42:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: berettagtz@bonbon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78972 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2004 11:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2004 11:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2004 11:42:55 -0000 Received: from bonbon.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id ECBFC683D3F for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slidingsiyfef4 (cpe-069-133-135-233.nc.rr.com [69.133.135.233]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3EA1C679FCF for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <000d01c45d05$08fe26f0$6900a8c0@slidingsiyfef4> To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:42:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: "Ernest Jones" Subject: Re: {AMSF} request for online streaming station? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174081060 X-Yahoo-Profile: e92fmjamz for music...dl kazaa lite from www.oldversion.com ....and borrow CD's from your friends ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" To: Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 4:04 AM Subject: {AMSF} request for online streaming station? > Does anyone have an SRF-42, a Carver TX-11*, or any other hi-fi AM > Stereo tuner, and an internet connection with at least 256kbps or > 320kbps upload bandwidth to spare? > > I would love to be able to hear any one of the following AM Stereo > stations (preferably streamed in mp3 format): KDIS, KADZ, WRDZ, WDSS, > KDZR, KMKI > > The groundwave signal on my SRF-42 from KDIS isn't good enough for me > to record music (so I don't have to buy CDs then answer my parents as > to why I have those CDs... ;) --- if I could get the CDs as unlabeled > (or at least abbreviated label) CD-R's, I might consider it, at no > more than the cost of royalties for the songs, plus the duplication > cost of the media.) > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Jun 28 09:13:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41797 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2004 16:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2004 16:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2004 16:13:26 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EC48871920 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED2E1A01C6 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040628121324.03dae790@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:13:43 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c45d05$08fe26f0$6900a8c0@slidingsiyfef4> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} request for online streaming station? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use WinMX, and DC++. At 07:42 AM 6/28/2004 -0400, you wrote: >for music...dl kazaa lite from www.oldversion.com ....and borrow CD's from >your friends ;) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "pianoplayer88key" >To: >Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 4:04 AM >Subject: {AMSF} request for online streaming station? > > >> Does anyone have an SRF-42, a Carver TX-11*, or any other hi-fi AM >> Stereo tuner, and an internet connection with at least 256kbps or >> 320kbps upload bandwidth to spare? >> >> I would love to be able to hear any one of the following AM Stereo >> stations (preferably streamed in mp3 format): KDIS, KADZ, WRDZ, WDSS, >> KDZR, KMKI >> >> The groundwave signal on my SRF-42 from KDIS isn't good enough for me >> to record music (so I don't have to buy CDs then answer my parents as >> to why I have those CDs... ;) --- if I could get the CDs as unlabeled >> (or at least abbreviated label) CD-R's, I might consider it, at no >> more than the cost of royalties for the songs, plus the duplication >> cost of the media.) >> >> >> >> >> >> Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Jun 28 14:02:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9402 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2004 21:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2004 21:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2004 21:02:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2004 21:01:33 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33425 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2004 19:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2004 19:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2004 19:51:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2004 19:50:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:50:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040628121324.03dae790@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1905 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} request for online streaming station? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Jun 2004 21:01:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 I want it to be "legal"... I understand a few decades ago there was a ruling that it was legal to record things off the radio, is that still true or has it ever been true? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > I use WinMX, and DC++. > > At 07:42 AM 6/28/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >for music...dl kazaa lite from www.oldversion.com ....and borrow CD's from > >your friends ;) > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "pianoplayer88key" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 4:04 AM > >Subject: {AMSF} request for online streaming station? > > > > > >> Does anyone have an SRF-42, a Carver TX-11*, or any other hi-fi AM > >> Stereo tuner, and an internet connection with at least 256kbps or > >> 320kbps upload bandwidth to spare? > >> > >> I would love to be able to hear any one of the following AM Stereo > >> stations (preferably streamed in mp3 format): KDIS, KADZ, WRDZ, WDSS, > >> KDZR, KMKI > >> > >> The groundwave signal on my SRF-42 from KDIS isn't good enough for me > >> to record music (so I don't have to buy CDs then answer my parents as > >> to why I have those CDs... ;) --- if I could get the CDs as unlabeled > >> (or at least abbreviated label) CD-R's, I might consider it, at no > >> more than the cost of royalties for the songs, plus the duplication > >> cost of the media.) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > Send me an email > > Aim: RainAngelsRule > > MSN: > > RainAngelsRule@h... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 28 14:29:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76983 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2004 21:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2004 21:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2004 21:29:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2004 21:29:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:29:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 618 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.5 Subject: OT: DVD + mono VCR? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics In yesterday's Best Buy flyer there's a Sylvania DVD player/VCR combo unit that seems to have only a mono audio input on the front panel. It is also priced $10 less than most other combo units that have a stereo audio input for the VCR. Could this thing be a DVD player combined with a mono VCR!? After seeing "dual-speaker" TV sets with a stereo audio amp but only a mono TV tuner, I somehow knew they would stoop to something like this. The future of all-digital radio and TV does not look very promising if mono TVs and mono VCRs still exist, more than two decades after stereo versions were introduced! From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jun 28 14:49:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96016 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2004 21:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2004 21:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2004 21:49:44 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.162]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:52:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c45d59$bb6d6e00$a2b40642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:49:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: DVD + mono VCR? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is indeed. We fix this junk all the time. This model has no stereo on the VCR part, but does have stereo audio for the DVD. chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 5:29 PM Subject: {AMSF} OT: DVD + mono VCR? . Could this thing be a DVD player combined with a mono VCR!? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Jun 28 16:41:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4963 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2004 23:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2004 23:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2004 23:41:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2004 23:41:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:41:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 382 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.116.197 Subject: "One-Eyed" SRF-A100?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 I've been told by a reliable source there was a one speaker look alike 'brother' to the SRF-A100 that was FM Stereo only??? Anyone know the model number for it?? What countries it was released in?? Did it have AM Mono, or was it strictly FM?? If it had AM Mono, how was its fidelity on the AM side?? Trying to locate a used one as soon as I can get a model # ASAP. --tony s. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 28 17:34:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44628 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2004 00:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2004 00:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 00:34:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2004 00:34:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:33:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c45d59$bb6d6e00$a2b40642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 819 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.5 Subject: Re: OT: DVD + mono VCR? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It is indeed. We fix this junk all the time. This model has no > stereo on the VCR part, but does have stereo audio for the DVD. This just goes to show how important full backwards compatibility is. It's why digital TV and digital radio are both doomed unless the FCC forces them upon us. And even an action like that would be seriously compromised by lawsuits from stations who wish to keep their analog signals on the air. If this carries on long enough, I think it may get to the point where the FCC will allow stations to broadcast any kind of signal they want, as long as it "fits the mask". Therefore it will turn into one giant "marketplace" fiasco where we'll have analog AM mono, analog AM Stereo, hybrid AM IBOC, full-digital AM IBOC, and even Kahn Cam-D signals all on the air simultaneously. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 28 19:11:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7646 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2004 02:11:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2004 02:11:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 02:11:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2004 02:10:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:10:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1119 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.116 Subject: Re: OT: DVD + mono VCR? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > If this carries on long enough, I think it may get to the point where > the FCC will allow stations to broadcast any kind of signal they > want, as long as it "fits the mask". Therefore it will turn into one > giant "marketplace" fiasco where we'll have analog AM mono, analog > AM Stereo, hybrid AM IBOC, full-digital AM IBOC, and even Kahn Cam- D > signals all on the air simultaneously. Perhaps that's as it should be, and let things live or die on their own merits- or lack of. It's obvious the infamous "marketplace" dicision didn't work, nor has setting any standard, and AM is nothing but a graveyard, anyway, so.... Might as well let broadcasters broadcast in the system they want, providing interference is minimized, and don't give any support to any of them....AT ALL. Trust me on this, stations investing in IBOC are not going to get the return they expect to make up for, but it is right for stations willing to experiment if they wish, knowing the consequences. Same thing with analog AMS. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Jun 28 21:46:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54423 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2004 04:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2004 04:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 04:46:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2004 04:46:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 04:46:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 123 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: "One-Eyed" SRF-A100?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Is it the ICF-22L? Here's one on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39993&item=5705679629&rd=1 From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Jun 28 23:13:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21289 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2004 06:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2004 06:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 06:12:59 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B03FC6845B4 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 05:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C491A01F5 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 05:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040629021117.02508e68@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:12:53 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040628121324.03dae790@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} request for online streaming station? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well you figure the radio stations pay BMI and ASCAP and the RIAA so I don't see what could be even remotely illegal about it. At 07:50 PM 6/28/2004 +0000, you wrote: >I want it to be "legal"... I understand a few decades ago there was a >ruling that it was legal to record things off the radio, is that still >true or has it ever been true? > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II >wrote: >> I use WinMX, and DC++. >> >> At 07:42 AM 6/28/2004 -0400, you wrote: >> >for music...dl kazaa lite from www.oldversion.com ....and borrow >CD's from >> >your friends ;) >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "pianoplayer88key" >> >To: >> >Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 4:04 AM >> >Subject: {AMSF} request for online streaming station? >> > >> > >> >> Does anyone have an SRF-42, a Carver TX-11*, or any other hi-fi AM >> >> Stereo tuner, and an internet connection with at least 256kbps or >> >> 320kbps upload bandwidth to spare? >> >> >> >> I would love to be able to hear any one of the following AM Stereo >> >> stations (preferably streamed in mp3 format): KDIS, KADZ, WRDZ, WDSS, >> >> KDZR, KMKI >> >> >> >> The groundwave signal on my SRF-42 from KDIS isn't good enough for me >> >> to record music (so I don't have to buy CDs then answer my parents as >> >> to why I have those CDs... ;) --- if I could get the CDs as >unlabeled >> >> (or at least abbreviated label) CD-R's, I might consider it, at no >> >> more than the cost of royalties for the songs, plus the duplication >> >> cost of the media.) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >> >Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> John >> >> >> >> Send me an email >> >> Aim: RainAngelsRule >> >> MSN: >> >> RainAngelsRule@h... >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 28 23:41:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60471 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2004 06:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2004 06:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 06:41:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2004 06:40:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 06:40:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 262 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.2 Subject: 1960 Philco "AM Stereo" radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Any clues on this? It appears to be a rather ordinary AM table radio, except with two speakers, side-by-side... I'm guessing it's dual-speaker mono, but what would be the point of such a design? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2253967899 From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jun 29 00:15:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72973 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2004 07:15:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2004 07:15:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 07:15:15 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.16]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 03:18:17 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c45da8$ca601580$10b50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 03:14:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1960 Philco "AM Stereo" radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a 1958 Silvertone Pink and white table radio that has two speakers, and even says "Stereo sound" on the dial plastic! yet it is mono... the speakers are wired in parallel. It is a fun radio, too- all transistor,battery operated, yet meant to be a table radio. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:40 AM Subject: {AMSF} 1960 Philco "AM Stereo" radio? Any clues on this? It appears to be a rather ordinary AM table radio, except with two speakers, side-by-side... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jun 29 00:19:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85844 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2004 07:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2004 07:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 07:18:59 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.16]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 03:22:02 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c45da9$5080efe0$10b50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 03:18:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "One-Eyed" SRF-A100?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hope- I NEVER saw that one before!- The "one eyed SRFA100 looks exactly like half a A100- one speaker, same diagonal dial scale, same cabinet color- Even the button style is the same- AM mono, FM stereo in headphones only. No internal similarites at all. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: "One-Eyed" SRF-A100?? Is it the ICF-22L? Here's one on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39993&item=5705679629&rd=1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 29 00:50:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73188 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2004 07:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2004 07:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 07:50:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2004 07:49:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:49:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 891 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.116 Subject: Re: 1960 Philco "AM Stereo" radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Any clues on this? It appears to be a rather ordinary AM table > radio, except with two speakers, side-by-side... I'm guessing it's > dual-speaker mono, but what would be the point of such a design? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2253967899 I was just about to mention this, too. I have no idea (anyone know of such AM-only twin-speaker Philco tabletop radios like this?), but this wouyld've been from the time Philco was experimenting with QuAM AM stereo broadcasting (one of 5-7 AMS systems proposed in the late 1950s and early 1960s), and I don't know if Philco made any QuAM demo models at the time (beyond testing radios, like they all did- At least RCA made their circuit design publicly available, don't know ablout Philco or any of the others, though). Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Jun 29 04:43:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72596 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2004 11:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2004 11:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 11:43:27 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.212.211.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.212.211] helo=earthlink.net) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BfH0Z-0005ry-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 04:42:39 -0700 Message-ID: <40E155B0.76D0C678@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:42:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.46 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1960 Philco "AM Stereo" radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My dad was a Philco wholesale distributor during the 1950s-60s. I don't recall this unit specifically, but (being somewhat familiar with Philco marketing at that time) I don't think this is truly a stereo radio. I believe that it is an optional companion unit to certain models in Philco's console high fidelity line, for use where 2 different (mono) AM stations had combined forces for each to broadcast 1/2 of a stereo program. I believe that this unit would be tuned to one of the stations and the console would be tuned to the other. I am not sure about this, but I have a foggy memory of such a system. Dick W. Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > Any clues on this? It appears to be a rather ordinary AM table > > radio, except with two speakers, side-by-side... I'm guessing it's > > dual-speaker mono, but what would be the point of such a design? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2253967899 > > I was just about to mention this, too. I have no idea (anyone know of > such AM-only twin-speaker Philco tabletop radios like this?), but > this wouyld've been from the time Philco was experimenting with QuAM > AM stereo broadcasting (one of 5-7 AMS systems proposed in the late > 1950s and early 1960s), and I don't know if Philco made any QuAM demo > models at the time (beyond testing radios, like they all did- At > least RCA made their circuit design publicly available, don't know > ablout Philco or any of the others, though). > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cbreton27@hotmail.com Tue Jun 29 10:58:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89994 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2004 17:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2004 17:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.59) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 17:58:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:58:30 -0700 Received: from 69.157.135.36 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:58:30 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:58:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2004 17:58:30.0553 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFCBC890:01C45E02] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.59 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.135.36] Subject: car radio am stereo extended band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi Everybody !! Can anyone tell me what car radio is able to pick up am stereo signal on the extended band ? Thanks a lot for the answer ! Christian _________________________________________________________________ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Jun 29 12:41:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90005 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2004 19:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2004 19:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.109) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 19:40:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:40:25 -0700 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:40:24 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:40:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2004 19:40:25.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC4ACFB0:01C45E10] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.109 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: RE: {AMSF} car radio am stereo extended band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane The Ford F87F-18C868-AD has AM stereo in the X-band. There's more info in my previous posting # 15365. I have 2: one in a '04 Subaru WRX and the other in a '97 Ford F-350 -- neither of which was meant for these radios. Paul Crane >From: "christian breton" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} car radio am stereo extended band >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:58:30 -0400 > > > >Hi Everybody !! > > >Can anyone tell me what car radio is able to pick up am stereo signal on >the >extended band ? > >Thanks a lot for the answer ! > >Christian > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! >http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Movies - Trailers, showtimes, DVD's, and the latest news from Hollywood! http://movies.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200509ave/direct/01/ From cbreton27@hotmail.com Tue Jun 29 13:47:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86417 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2004 20:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2004 20:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 20:47:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:47:41 -0700 Received: from 69.157.135.36 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:47:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:47:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2004 20:47:41.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[52476DB0:01C45E1A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.70 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.135.36] Subject: RE: {AMSF} car radio am stereo extended band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi Paul, Are you selling one of these radio ? i didn't see your last posting #15365 Christian >From: "Paul Crane" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: {AMSF} car radio am stereo extended band >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:40:24 -0400 > >The Ford F87F-18C868-AD has AM stereo in the X-band. There's more info in >my previous posting # 15365. > >I have 2: one in a '04 Subaru WRX and the other in a '97 Ford F-350 -- >neither of which was meant for these radios. > >Paul Crane > > > >From: "christian breton" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: {AMSF} car radio am stereo extended band > >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:58:30 -0400 > > > > > > > >Hi Everybody !! > > > > > >Can anyone tell me what car radio is able to pick up am stereo signal on > >the > >extended band ? > > > >Thanks a lot for the answer ! > > > >Christian > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! > >http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Movies - Trailers, showtimes, DVD's, and the latest news from >Hollywood! >http://movies.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200509ave/direct/01/ > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Jun 29 13:59:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39358 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2004 20:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2004 20:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.146) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 20:59:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:59:25 -0700 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:59:24 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:59:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2004 20:59:25.0024 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5909E00:01C45E1B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.146 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: RE: {AMSF} car radio am stereo extended band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Sorry... Unfortunately, they're not for sale. The posting is the message ID dated 1/15/04 for amstereoforum here on Yahoogroups. These particular radios are EXTREMELY hard to find as the second one took me almost a year to find. The first one took me even longer and my wife "accidently" found it by purchasing the "right" vehicle. If you (or anyone else) wants more info, let me know and I'll bore you about these radios. Paul Crane >From: "christian breton" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: {AMSF} car radio am stereo extended band >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:47:41 -0400 > > >Hi Paul, > > >Are you selling one of these radio ? i didn't see your last posting #15365 > >Christian > > > > > > >From: "Paul Crane" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: RE: {AMSF} car radio am stereo extended band > >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:40:24 -0400 > > > >The Ford F87F-18C868-AD has AM stereo in the X-band. There's more info >in > >my previous posting # 15365. > > > >I have 2: one in a '04 Subaru WRX and the other in a '97 Ford F-350 -- > >neither of which was meant for these radios. > > > >Paul Crane > > > > > > >From: "christian breton" > > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: {AMSF} car radio am stereo extended band > > >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:58:30 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Everybody !! > > > > > > > > >Can anyone tell me what car radio is able to pick up am stereo signal >on > > >the > > >extended band ? > > > > > >Thanks a lot for the answer ! > > > > > >Christian > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! > > >http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >MSN Movies - Trailers, showtimes, DVD's, and the latest news from > >Hollywood! > >http://movies.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200509ave/direct/01/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! >http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jun 29 14:44:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11203 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2004 21:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2004 21:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 21:43:59 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.69]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:46:42 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c45e22$1a4d7780$45b30642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:43:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} car radio am stereo extended band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You want to see a drop dead gorgeous am stereo car radio, there is a new old stock 1985 Chrysler radio, with the am stereo switch on ebay right now- It is the best one I've seen yet. It's the champagne silver face model, with 5 band GEQ. A Buy it now of $150.00 seems steep, but shoot- I want it just becuase it looks so darn good! Item # 7907261431 Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Crane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Tue Jun 29 15:15:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24707 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2004 22:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2004 22:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 22:15:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2004 22:14:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:14:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 564 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: Re: car radio am stereo extended band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Try http://www.nordstromsauto.com/ You can put in a car model in their search engine, and it will tell you if it has AM Stereo or not. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "christian breton" wrote: > > > Hi Everybody !! > > > Can anyone tell me what car radio is able to pick up am stereo signal on the > extended band ? > > Thanks a lot for the answer ! > > Christian > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! > http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 29 18:00:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43375 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 01:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2004 01:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 00:59:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2004 00:59:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:59:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 211 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.116 Subject: Indonesian AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I would like to confirm that there is at least ONE AMS station in Indonesia, listed as Radio Nam Lapan Ha, at 89.35 FM & 603 AM Stereo, part of the national independent news service, KBR 68H. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From aalso@netzero.com Tue Jun 29 21:23:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73958 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 04:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2004 04:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 04:23:23 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([68.17.234.193]) by imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040630042321.PUJR1737.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:23:21 -0400 Message-ID: <40E2405D.5070504@netzero.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:23:57 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.72 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: Moto MFC13020 Chip.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr Should someone want a Moto 13020 Chip for some reason I have 5 and the Murata ceramic filters to go with them. I got them back in 1984 and they have been in the parts bin ever since. These are brand new never used! Alan From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 30 00:41:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88558 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 07:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2004 07:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 07:41:10 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.98]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:44:19 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c45e75$95893bc0$62b50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:40:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: stereo band scan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Band scan for June 29th, mid day on a Sony WM-FX2, 80 miles NW of NYC: 600 WICC stereo, with separation. 850 WREF stereo with separation. 1210 WPHT stereo with separation. 1660 WWRU stereo pilot, talk, separation un-detected. 1680 WTTM stereo, with separation. (1520 received good, no pilot) Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Jun 30 03:28:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22844 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 10:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2004 10:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.207) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 10:28:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:28:21 -0700 Received: from 24.94.110.132 by bay12-dav33.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:28:20 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <002301c45e75$95893bc0$62b50642@4bmx301> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:28:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2004 10:28:21.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[F755BC40:01C45E8C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.207 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.110.132] Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo band scan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Cuff wrote: > 1680 WTTM stereo, with separation. That is an understatement. WTTM is one of the best sounding radio stations I have ever listened to, and has to be the BEST sounding station on the air at this time. Now that I am in Florida, the only thing I hear on 1680 is Mono WLAA. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Jun 30 12:08:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41227 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 19:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2004 19:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 19:08:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2004 19:07:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:07:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 80 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: WFUV-FM, NYC goes Digital X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Here's the info from their Web site: http://www.wfuv.org/wfuv/digitalradio.html From cbreton27@hotmail.com Wed Jun 30 12:52:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64091 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 19:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2004 19:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 19:52:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:52:09 -0700 Received: from 69.157.134.182 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:52:09 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:52:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2004 19:52:09.0454 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA9740E0:01C45EDB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.92 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.134.182] Subject: Car radio dodge shadow X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi gang ! Another question for you Does all the 1988 dodge shadow car radio were equipped with am stereo ? Thanks Christian _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 30 14:10:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27991 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 21:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2004 21:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 21:10:11 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.3]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:13:11 -0400 Message-ID: <007601c45ee6$948a5800$03b30642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:09:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Car radio dodge shadow X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes- every factory installed Chrysler radio from 1985 to 1991 had AM stereo as standard equipment- US cars- not sure about Japanese made cars that were a part of Chrysler at the time. If they have the volume and tuning knobs on the left, with the large rectangle soft-touch buttons, they will have ams. In 1992, it got wierd- the radios looked the same, but some were made by Clarion and did not have it. cc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 30 14:44:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57334 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 21:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2004 21:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 21:44:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2004 21:44:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:44:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c45e75$95893bc0$62b50642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1407 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.3 Subject: Re: stereo band scan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Band scan for June 29th, mid day on a Sony WM-FX2, 80 miles NW of > NYC: > 600 WICC stereo, with separation. > 850 WREF stereo with separation. > 1210 WPHT stereo with separation. > 1660 WWRU stereo pilot, talk, separation un-detected. > 1680 WTTM stereo, with separation. > (1520 received good, no pilot) > Chris Here in central NJ during the daytime I get: 600 WICC Bridgeport, CT, AM Stereo 800 WLAD Danbury, CT, AM Stereo (rare DX catch) 850 WREF Ridgefield, CT, AM Stereo 1100 WGPA Bethlehem, PA, AM Stereo? (could be falsing) 1210 WPHT Philadelphia, PA, AM Stereo 1290 WWTX Wilmington, DE, AM Stereo? (could be falsing) 1310 WEMG Camden, NJ, AM Stereo (rare DX catch) 1450 WCTC New Brunswick, NJ, AM Stereo 1660 WWRU Jersey City, NJ, AM Stereo w/no separation 1680 WTTM Princeton, NJ, AM Stereo Also, a few Kahn PowerSide stations: 610 WIP Philadelphia, PA, Kahn PowerSide on lower sideband 1570 WISP Doylestown, PA, Kahn PowerSide (rare DX catch) 1600 WWRL New York, NY, Kahn PowerSide on upper sideband And a few IBOC stations: 710 WOR New York, NY, IBOC w/5 kHz analog mono 950 WPEN Philadelphia, PA, IBOC w/5 kHz analog mono 1030 WBZ Boston, MA, IBOC w/4 kHz analog mono (weak groundwave DX) In addition, I used to occasionally receive 940 WADV from Lebanon, PA in AM Stereo, but now that neighboring 950 WPEN is broadcasting IBOC, I have no chance of hearing them at all anymore. :-( From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 30 14:53:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74047 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 21:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2004 21:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 21:53:13 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.159]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:55:45 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c45eec$860b5940$9fb30642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:52:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: stereo band scan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WLAD- I am not getting a pilot on them. Someone else had told me that they stopped ams, but Berkshire broadcasting is Pro-AMS, so maybe it is temporary. I also got 1310 in stereo, but thought it was a fluke- too far away to make a definite call. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 5:44 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: stereo band scan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 30 15:12:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81411 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 22:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2004 22:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 22:12:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2004 22:10:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:10:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 585 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.136 Subject: Re: stereo band scan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Also, a few Kahn PowerSide stations: > > 610 WIP Philadelphia, PA, Kahn PowerSide on lower sideband > 1570 WISP Doylestown, PA, Kahn PowerSide (rare DX catch) > 1600 WWRL New York, NY, Kahn PowerSide on upper sideband I would love to hear how PowerSide sounds on an ISB-capable radio. Yes, I'm serious. Especially is it isn't too local. (That is, under DX conditions, daytime or nighttime.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Similarly, I would almost kill for an ISB recording of time station CHU, which is AM-USB.) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 01 01:45:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72463 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2004 08:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2004 08:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51606.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.211) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2004 08:45:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20040701084518.72533.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.68.2] by web51606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 01:45:18 PDT Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 01:45:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, radio-tech@broadcast.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.211 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Optimod-ize your CRL processing trio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The following tip is for anyone using an AM Stereo audio processing trio from CRL, consisting of the AGC (SPP-800 Stereo Preparation Processor or SGC-800 Stereo Gain Controller), multi-band compressor (SEP-800 Spectral Energy Processor or SEC-800 Spectral Energy Compressor), and matrix limiter (SMP-900/A/B or SMP-950 AM Stereo Matrix Processor). Normally, this three-piece CRL setup only performs matrix processing within the final limiter, producing a more natural, "FM-like" stereo effect. But the popular Optimod 9100-series AM Stereo audio processor utilizes matrix processing more effectively, creating somewhat of an "expanded stereo" effect that "jumps out at you" when listening in Stereo, but yet does not compromise mono loudness or degrade stereo imaging on audio material that is already widely separated (i.e. Oldies). But there is an easy way to achieve a more "Optimod-like" sound from a CRL setup, and all it takes are some wiring changes and two jumper wires. The goal is to configure the Spectral Energy Compressor box so that it processes audio in the L+R and L-R domain, rather than as Left and Right audio channels individually. This modification can be done in a matter of minutes, without even opening the case of any of the CRL boxes, and I think the results are excellent. Simply reconfigure the terminal-block wiring as follows: Audio source L & R channels: connect to SGC normally SGC Left + output: connect to SEC Left + input, plus jumper wire to SEC Right + input SGC Left - output: no connection SGC Right + output: connect to SEC Right - input SGC Right - output: connect to SEC Left - input SEC Left + output: connect to SMP Left + input, plus jumper wire to SMP Right + input SEC Left - input: no connection SEC Right + output: connect to SMP Right - input SEC Right - output: connect to SMP Left - input SMP Left & Right outputs: connect to C-Quam AM Stereo exciter normally All grounds: connect normally After this wiring modification, the "Left" channel on the Spectral Energy Compressor becomes the L+R matrix component, and the "Right" channel becomes the L-R matrix component. Thus, the "Left"/L+R channel will normally show a much higher input level than the "Right"/L-R channel. Despite this visual imbalance, keep the L and R input level trimmers at matched settings, or else the stereo image will become exaggerated. That's it! Tweak the three CRL boxes to your favorite settings, and enjoy the more "Optimod-like" sound, which should provide a noticeably expanded stereo effect -- but yet correct stereo imaging will be maintained on audio that is already widely separated to begin with. The only word of advice is that the SMP's "Stereo Enhance" feature should _not_ be used with this modification in effect -- turn it down to the minimum position. And if you're still reading at this point, I realize that there are relatively few AM Stereo stations still using this CRL processing trio, but I'm sure those that are could always appreciate some help in improving the quality and loudness that these now-classic boxes produce. The main point is that CRL's Spectral Energy Compressor/Processor is a remarkably versatile unit, and with some creative wiring, it can be used to process audio in the matrixed L+R and L-R domain just as well as it does in the conventional discrete-channel Left and Right domain. And you never know -- since AM IBOC is a matrixed system (the L+R "core mono" and L-R "stereo enhancement" components are carried through separate digital data streams), these old matrix-processing techniques may become useful once again, just as they have been with analog AM Stereo. Kevin T. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cbreton27@hotmail.com Thu Jul 01 07:09:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13962 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2004 14:09:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2004 14:09:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2004 14:09:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:09:28 -0700 Received: from 69.157.136.4 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:09:28 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:09:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2004 14:09:28.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[05D257E0:01C45F75] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.71 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.136.4] Subject: Another question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi again, Can somebody explain it to me why that in my dodge shadow in 1988, my car radio was able to pick up am stereo signal when a station was really broadcasting in ams. Today i have a sony srf-a100, and when i'm scaning the band EVERYBODY IS IN AMS... A simple explanation please ! thanks again Christian _________________________________________________________________ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jul 01 07:19:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51675 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2004 14:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2004 14:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2004 14:19:11 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.122]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:22:21 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c45f76$591f0000$7ab50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:18:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Sony SRFA100 makes all stations stereo by forced mode. That is how they are designed. The Sony radios do not need a stereo signal to give you an artificial stereo sound. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: christian breton To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:09 AM Subject: {AMSF} Another question Hi again, Can somebody explain it to me why that in my dodge shadow in 1988, my car radio was able to pick up am stereo signal when a station was really broadcasting in ams. Today i have a sony srf-a100, and when i'm scaning the band EVERYBODY IS IN AMS... A simple explanation please ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Jul 01 15:05:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70214 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2004 22:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2004 22:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2004 22:05:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2004 22:05:09 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33137 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2004 21:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2004 21:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2004 21:35:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2004 21:35:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:35:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c45f76$591f0000$7ab50642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1096 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: Another question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Jul 2004 22:05:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 If you're transmitting a short-range AM Stereo signal, if you're using a Sony receiver (for example A1, A100, AX15, AX51V, A300, SRF42) is it possible to have separation on the receiving end without sending out a pilot tone on the transmitting end? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > The Sony SRFA100 makes all stations stereo by forced mode. That is how they are designed. The Sony radios do not need a stereo signal to give you an artificial stereo sound. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christian breton > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:09 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Another question > > > > > Hi again, > > > Can somebody explain it to me why that in my dodge shadow in 1988, my car > radio was able to pick up am stereo signal when a station was really > broadcasting in ams. > > Today i have a sony srf-a100, and when i'm scaning the band EVERYBODY IS IN > AMS... > > A simple explanation please ! > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jul 01 15:10:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27563 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2004 22:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2004 22:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2004 22:10:56 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.217]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:14:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c45fb8$4208a320$d9b10642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:10:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Another question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes- you can completely remove the pilot generator, as it is not needed by the Sony radios, and you will still get true stereo. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:35 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Another question If you're transmitting a short-range AM Stereo signal, if you're using a Sony receiver (for example A1, A100, AX15, AX51V, A300, SRF42) is it possible to have separation on the receiving end without sending out a pilot tone on the transmitting end? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 01 17:22:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76686 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 00:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 00:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 00:22:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 00:22:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 00:22:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 422 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "K8DAD" X-Originating-IP: 69.167.48.174 Subject: Way West Bandscan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio AMS Bandscan from the far left coast - Santa Catalina Island: KBRT-AM 740 : AM Stereo; religious programming (daytime only) KDIS-AM 1110: AM Stereo; Radio Disney (better reception on the island than what you can hear at LAX) KABC-AM 790: AM Stereo - mostly their promos only, not many commercials in stereo like WJR has. KLAC-AM 570: MONO, but sure would sound great in stereo; adult standards format with some snap. From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Jul 01 17:54:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1344 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 00:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 00:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 00:54:01 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.23.38] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:53:59 -0600 Message-ID: <002e01c45fcf$d35be320$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20040701084518.72533.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:59:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2004 00:54:00.0296 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FE82E80:01C45FCF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod-ize your CRL processing trio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thanks for the interesting tidbit. I'll definitely save it should I get a full CRL trio. This brings up an interesting point, but is there anyone left here who can answer this? I managed to get an old SMP950 from one of our NYC stations (they had gotten it from one of our San Diego stations). Now I need the other two, but which two and why? Would I be better off with an SPP-800 or SGC-800? The SEP or the SEC? I've never been a big fan of CRL but these are the ones I'm most likely to be able to find cheap, if not free, and I want to get a decent stereo processing chain for when I'm ready to put my little LPB back on the air. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > The following tip is for anyone using an AM Stereo audio processing trio > from CRL, consisting of the AGC (SPP-800 Stereo Preparation Processor or > SGC-800 Stereo Gain Controller), multi-band compressor (SEP-800 Spectral > Energy Processor or SEC-800 Spectral Energy Compressor), and matrix limiter > (SMP-900/A/B or SMP-950 AM Stereo Matrix Processor). > From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 01 18:06:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82728 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 01:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 01:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 01:06:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 01:06:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 01:06:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 537 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.28 Subject: Re: Another question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > If you're transmitting a short-range AM Stereo signal, if you're using > a Sony receiver (for example A1, A100, AX15, AX51V, A300, SRF42) is it > possible to have separation on the receiving end without sending out a > pilot tone on the transmitting end? Yes, and a few stations do or have done just that. Pretty easy, too- The exciter has a switch on it to turn the pilot on or off, independently from any other settings. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 01 20:54:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54261 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 03:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 03:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 03:54:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 03:54:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 03:54:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002e01c45fcf$d35be320$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2172 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.13 Subject: Re: Optimod-ize your CRL processing trio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Now I need the other two, but which two and why? Would I be better > off with an SPP-800 or SGC-800? The SGC-800 is the newer model, but all it really adds (versus the older SPP-800) is more LEDs on the front panel input level meter, and "dynafex" noise/hiss reduction. I have the SGC-800, but the dynafex noise reduction noticeably dulls the treble response even at its lowest setting, so I just leave it off. In that case, I would be equally happy to have the SPP-800 (in fact, if you come across one and would like to trade it for my SGC-800, e-mail me!). > The SEP or the SEC? The SEP-800 and SEC-800 are pretty much functionally equivalent, except the SEC has the newer front panel styling with more LEDs. However, I've heard some users say that they prefer the older SEP model, as the SEC can sound 'squashed' with certain audio content. Having not personally compared the two, I can't comment on that, but the SEC-800 sounds fine to me, so I would just grab whichever one I could find. > I've never been a big fan of CRL but these are the ones I'm most > likely to be able to find cheap, if not free, and I want to get a > decent stereo processing chain for when I'm ready to put my little > LPB back on the air. These CRL boxes are all 1980s designs, and frankly a well-adjusted Optimod can blow the pants off them. But for audio processing on a budget, used CRL gear is a fine choice. The Spectral Energy box is the best-performing of the three units, so I've found that it's best to lean the most heavily on it, and not so heavily on the SPP/SGC compressor and SMP limiter, versus what the factory manual recommends. In fact, any good stereo AGC/compressor can be substituted for the SPP/SGC, such as an Aphex Compellor, or even a well-kept vintage box such as a stereo CBS Audimax. And if you win the lottery, you can forget the CRL gear entirely and just put one of these in front of your SMP-950: http://www.translantech.com/public_html/Ariane.htm I've heard lots of praise for the Ariane, but it ain't cheap! I believe the price for a new one is in the $2000 range. That's more than I paid for my last used car. :-) From bratina501@msn.com Thu Jul 01 21:30:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94860 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 04:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 04:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 04:30:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 04:30:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 04:30:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 103 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 Subject: CHU aircheck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 I just made and uploaded an aircheck of CHU on 7.335 AM and USB to ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 02 17:48:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31016 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2004 00:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2004 00:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2004 00:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.123.99.235 with login) by smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2004 00:48:25 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c46096$f90dab40$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:41:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.82 From: Subject: A good combo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I had found about two years ago the Radio Shacks RCA indoor outdoor speakers cat # 40-5045 to be a nice set. I have a set in my bed room and i have a another set in my old 52 Chevy truck with a UX-1 nice. Bed room set with TM 152 and MCS 3050. Thay are about $85 now ouch. Speaking of the TM 152 on ebay are thay nuts or something $106 !!!!!!! Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 02 19:03:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23045 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2004 02:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2004 02:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2004 02:03:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2004 02:03:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 02:03:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1582 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.3 Subject: Fwd: Simple DX portable/cassette X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the www.radio-info.com DX board: Subject: Simple DX portable/cassette Posted by: 1290wgli (Moderator) Posted on: 06/25/04 11:35 AM I know PC Richard was closing these out, I grabbed it yesterday for $29 just to have a portable CD player to tote around for the summer. What I didn't bargain on was a *HOT* AM section. Emerson PD6620 It comes VERY close (and in some instances beats) my Grundig S 350 on MW (the Grundig has some birdies that land on some stations I want to listen to... the Emerson is birdie free... tweet tweet). Sensitivity is uniform 540-1710 (another problem the plagues portables today). The best part is that the supplied cassette deck is on speed (!!!), aligned (!!!!), and actually makes quality normal bias recordings (!!!!!!) The selectivity is not as good as the Grundig beacause the bandwidth on the Emerson is quite good for a consumer portable. The FM is not bad either... better than average for a boombox. Sensitivity is quite good... selectivity is what you would expect and it does overload a bit. There is a stereo/mono switch (!), but the stereo was VERY clean, even on weak stations. Tuning feels firm. Not great, but not el cheapo either. The CD player plays CD-R's without problem and the speakers sound decent (it sounds better with headphones). The surround sucks... leave it off. Otherwise, a decent inexpensive box to take on a trip for some airchecking. It's been quite some time since I've been able to say that about a new boombox. I don't know if quality control is good box to box... I hope so! From mikeryan@tpg.com.au Fri Jul 02 22:27:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikeryan@tpg.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57022 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2004 05:27:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2004 05:27:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.tpgi.com.au) (203.12.160.58) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2004 05:27:23 -0000 Received: from server (220-245-18-228.tpgi.com.au [220.245.18.228]) by mail.tpgi.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i635RBXB029772 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 15:27:11 +1000 To: Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 15:27:23 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.12.160.58 From: "Mike Ryan" Subject: OT Article regarding Sirius and XM's growth at the expense of terrestrial radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7573532 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike111ryan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought this may be of interest. Good newsletter too. " Why Radio is Afraid of Sirius and XM" http://www.avrev.com/news/0604/30.satellite.html Cheers...Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From baansy@yahoo.com Fri Jul 02 23:01:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28403 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2004 06:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2004 06:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2004 06:01:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2004 06:01:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 06:01:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 298 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 144.137.204.228 Subject: AM STEREO IN THE NORTHERN TERRITORY? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Just letting you all know that I'm going on another CONTIKI tour. This time between ALICE SPRINGS AND DARWIN. I will be takeing my AM STEREO receiver with me. When I get to DARWIN at night time I may be able to receive stations from NEW GUINEA. Let's hope I can find some AM STEREO STATIONS! From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 02 23:41:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11363 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2004 06:41:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2004 06:41:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2004 06:41:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2004 06:41:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 06:41:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 424 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.142 Subject: Re: OT Article regarding Sirius and XM's growth at the expense of terrestrial radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Ryan" wrote: > Thought this may be of interest. Good newsletter too. > > " Why Radio is Afraid of Sirius and XM" > > http://www.avrev.com/news/0604/30.satellite.html Jones' "Good Times, Great Oldies" network has drasticly changed and expanded their playlists lately simply BECAUSE of XM. They have been playing alot of lesser hits of late. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 02 23:45:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30892 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2004 06:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2004 06:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2004 06:45:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2004 06:45:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 06:45:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 695 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.142 Subject: Re: AM STEREO IN THE NORTHERN TERRITORY? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "baansy" wrote: > Just letting you all know that I'm going on another CONTIKI tour. > This time between ALICE SPRINGS AND DARWIN. I will be takeing my AM > STEREO receiver with me. When I get to DARWIN at night time I may be > able to receive stations from NEW GUINEA. Let's hope I can find some > AM STEREO STATIONS! I don't think there are any AMS in Port Morsbey (PNG), but I think- I'm not sure, though- that there may be one each in Alice and darwin. Let us know what you hear in 8-Land. :) BTW, check for 603 Jakarta when you get to Darwin- That's supposed to be AMS. I posted about this earlier this week. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Jul 03 04:51:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45030 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2004 11:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2004 11:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2004 11:51:32 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 185B5BE1F; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 04:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA04672; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 04:51:31 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQMzl0ZpLZ3H/ZZmCJTpVo+IbZ+lAIUfKncyvW2n31giu2ZDsLORmPTEZo= Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 06:51:31 -0500 To: ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: W0WRT@webtv.net, amstereoguy@hotmail.com, ccuff@in4web.com Message-ID: <29008-40E69DC3-6400@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: KKCJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I will be traveling over towards Eastern Iowa for the Fourth of July, to my sister Mary's lake house at Brooklyn, IOWA ( not New York! ) about 1/2 way between Des Moines and Iowa City. I will bring my trusty Sony SRF-A100 along. Does any one know if KKCJ 1630 Iowa City, Iowa still broadcasts in AM Stereo?? Chris Cuff visited them a couple of years ago, and they were full stereo on the expanded AM band then with a hip, rock and roll type of format. Please advise. KKCJ is difficult to DX in Omaha since we have a station on 1620, But I have successfully gotten KKCJ over in the State Capital of Lincoln, NE in the evening before. Bill Snyder - Omaha.NE P.S. > Everyone have a happy and safe 4th of July Celebration!!! Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From sub37@shortwavelog.com Sat Jul 03 06:26:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub37@shortwavelog.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93772 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2004 13:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2004 13:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2004 13:26:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2004 13:26:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 13:26:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 907 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Robert Sillett" X-Originating-IP: 209.195.176.173 Subject: Re: AM STEREO IN THE NORTHERN TERRITORY? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180989887 X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett I was in "the Alice" two years ago. I didn't pick up any AM Stereo stations there, but I found plenty of AM Stereo stations in Canberra, Melbourne, an Sydney. You can find a list of all AM Stereo stations in Australia (world- wide, actually) here: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics On a slightly off-topic point, the 50 kW transmitter for the ABC Northern Territory station on 2310 kHz is located about 5 km south of town. So you at least have something radio-related to see in Alice Springs. Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "baansy" wrote: > Just letting you all know that I'm going on another CONTIKI tour. > This time between ALICE SPRINGS AND DARWIN. I will be takeing my AM > STEREO receiver with me. When I get to DARWIN at night time I may be > able to receive stations from NEW GUINEA. Let's hope I can find some > AM STEREO STATIONS! From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 03 07:17:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91898 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2004 14:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2004 14:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2004 14:17:10 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.88]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:20:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c46108$6858cfe0$58b30642@4bmx301> To: References: <29008-40E69DC3-6400@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:16:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKCJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Far as I know, KCJJ is still stereo, with no plans to drop it. I can no longer receive them due to that other 1630 in GA. CC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 03 12:53:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85931 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2004 19:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2004 19:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2004 19:53:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2004 19:53:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 19:53:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <29008-40E69DC3-6400@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 277 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.10 Subject: Re: KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I will bring my trusty Sony SRF-A100 along. Does yours tune up to 1630 kHz? Mine stops at just above 1620 or so. However, my SRF-A1 walkman, which does not appear to be modified, tunes all the way up to 1680 kHz, so I guess there is some variation from radio to radio. From richard_clarke_au@yahoo.com Sat Jul 03 15:34:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: richard_clarke_au@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53566 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2004 22:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2004 22:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2004 22:34:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2004 22:34:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:34:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 733 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "richard_clarke_au" X-Originating-IP: 144.137.51.94 Subject: Re: AM STEREO IN THE NORTHERN TERRITORY? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=144350137 X-Yahoo-Profile: richard_clarke_au --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "baansy" wrote: > Just letting you all know that I'm going on another CONTIKI tour. > This time between ALICE SPRINGS AND DARWIN. I will be takeing my AM > STEREO receiver with me. When I get to DARWIN at night time I may be > able to receive stations from NEW GUINEA. Let's hope I can find some > AM STEREO STATIONS! Hi there as a former radio station employee in Darwin & Alice Springs I can tell you there is no AM Stereo radio stations in either city or inbetween. Unsure of New Guinea or Indonesia. Cheers Clarkie Have fun on the Contiki tour & say Hi to a bloke named Krafty at the Overlander Steakhouse in Alice Springs which should be one of your stops. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jul 03 18:15:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23682 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2004 01:15:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2004 01:15:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2004 01:15:28 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.19.253] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:15:26 -0600 Message-ID: <002301c46165$2b22ab20$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:20:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2004 01:15:27.0806 (UTC) FILETIME=[64261DE0:01C46164] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO IN THE NORTHERN TERRITORY? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Let us know what you hear. Is anyone still maintaining a list of AM stereo outside of north america? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "baansy" > Just letting you all know that I'm going on another CONTIKI tour. > This time between ALICE SPRINGS AND DARWIN. I will be takeing my AM > STEREO receiver with me. When I get to DARWIN at night time I may be > able to receive stations from NEW GUINEA. Let's hope I can find some > AM STEREO STATIONS! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 04 13:34:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57716 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2004 20:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2004 20:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2004 20:34:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2004 20:34:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 20:34:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c45e75$95893bc0$62b50642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 613 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.141 Subject: Re: stereo band scan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Band scan for June 29th, mid day on a Sony WM-FX2, 80 miles NW of > NYC: ... > (1520 received good, no pilot) > Chris 1520 WWKB is one of the stations that has been playing "musical pilot tones"... I got feedback from the web site from someone who received them in Stereo on June 24th... then as of a few days later, they were back to mono. It could even be a case of two engineers for the station -- one who likes to leave the C-Quam pilot on, and another who likes to turn it off... just like two people who share a computer, and are constantly changing the desktop background and screen saver. :-) From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jul 04 13:42:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57741 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2004 20:42:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2004 20:42:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2004 20:42:35 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.186]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:45:58 -0400 Message-ID: <005001c46207$6a357d40$bab10642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:42:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: stereo band scan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And that has been going on with them since their country music days. One day it's on, one day it's off. I never thought about that, but you are probably right. Like when Harold ran WKLN 1170 - he would turn up the modulation to painful levels, making it sound like s*** , and Chuck would have to go reset everything. Day after day. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com 1520 WWKB is one of the stations that has been playing "musical pilot tones"... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sun Jul 04 14:40:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47418 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2004 21:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2004 21:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2004 21:40:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2004 21:40:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 21:40:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 52 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 207.69.139.134 Subject: Re: KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I managed to get my SRF A-100 up to 1640. Tom From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jul 04 15:08:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94449 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2004 22:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2004 22:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2004 22:08:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2004 22:08:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 22:08:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 286 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.89 Subject: Re: KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, tom_richard1980@y... wrote: > I managed to get my SRF A-100 up to 1640. I managed to get mine going from 510-1750 back when I had my A100. :/ I even tricked it with a magnet to get up to around 6MHz shortwave, a couple times. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Jul 04 17:32:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84559 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2004 00:32:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2004 00:32:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2004 00:32:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2004 00:32:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 00:32:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 341 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "n1zzn" X-Originating-IP: 24.218.84.129 Subject: WBZ in Stereo tonight??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn WBZ has been saying that they'll be broadcasting tonight's Boston Pops concert/fireworks "in glorious stereo." They could just be saying that to make people think its stereo when its really not though. No pilot yet, but the concert starts soon. Hopefully we'll see the pilot actually come on sometime tonight. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 04 18:18:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28556 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2004 01:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2004 01:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2004 01:18:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2004 01:18:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 01:18:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 887 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.6 Subject: Re: WBZ in Stereo tonight??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WBZ has been saying that they'll be broadcasting tonight's Boston > Pops concert/fireworks "in glorious stereo." They could just be > saying that to make people think its stereo when its really not > though. No pilot yet, but the concert starts soon. Hopefully we'll > see the pilot actually come on sometime tonight. Are you sure they're not talking about WBZ-TV? But if it's indeed 1030 WBZ, remember that they always produce their audio in stereo, regardless if it's actually transmitted in stereo or not. So the WBZ announcers might be hearing music in their headphones and on the studio monitors in stereo, without a clue if it's actually being transmitted in stereo or not. But at least they're definitely not talking about the fireworks music being in stereo via AM IBOC digital, because with IBOC's 8-1/2 second latency, the music would be horribly out-of-sync. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Jul 04 18:22:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80775 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2004 01:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2004 01:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.198.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2004 01:22:50 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040705012247015003k97ae>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 01:22:48 +0000 To: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 21:23:15 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c4622e$aae44200$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.198.39 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WBZ in Stereo tonight??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Yes, I'm sure they're not talking about the TV broadcast. The TV broadcast is entirely different from the radio broadcast. They even mentioned during all their newscasts today (on AM 1030) that they would be broadcasting in stereo. False Advertising! I already sent in a complaint via the comment section on their website. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 9:18 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WBZ in Stereo tonight??? > WBZ has been saying that they'll be broadcasting tonight's Boston > Pops concert/fireworks "in glorious stereo." They could just be > saying that to make people think its stereo when its really not > though. No pilot yet, but the concert starts soon. Hopefully we'll > see the pilot actually come on sometime tonight. Are you sure they're not talking about WBZ-TV? But if it's indeed 1030 WBZ, remember that they always produce their audio in stereo, regardless if it's actually transmitted in stereo or not. So the WBZ announcers might be hearing music in their headphones and on the studio monitors in stereo, without a clue if it's actually being transmitted in stereo or not. But at least they're definitely not talking about the fireworks music being in stereo via AM IBOC digital, because with IBOC's 8-1/2 second latency, the music would be horribly out-of-sync. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Jul 04 20:14:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62123 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2004 03:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2004 03:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.198.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2004 03:14:36 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040705031434015003k2foe>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 03:14:34 +0000 To: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:15:07 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c4623e$495c0bc0$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <001401c4622e$aae44200$6400a8c0@AMD> Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.198.39 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WBZ in Stereo tonight??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Well the show's over, and stereo was never seen on WBZ tonight. I guess they think their listeners are stupid. I for one am not! Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Lehmann [mailto:jjlehmann@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 9:23 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WBZ in Stereo tonight??? Yes, I'm sure they're not talking about the TV broadcast. The TV broadcast is entirely different from the radio broadcast. They even mentioned during all their newscasts today (on AM 1030) that they would be broadcasting in stereo. False Advertising! I already sent in a complaint via the comment section on their website. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 9:18 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WBZ in Stereo tonight??? > WBZ has been saying that they'll be broadcasting tonight's Boston > Pops concert/fireworks "in glorious stereo." They could just be > saying that to make people think its stereo when its really not > though. No pilot yet, but the concert starts soon. Hopefully we'll > see the pilot actually come on sometime tonight. Are you sure they're not talking about WBZ-TV? But if it's indeed 1030 WBZ, remember that they always produce their audio in stereo, regardless if it's actually transmitted in stereo or not. So the WBZ announcers might be hearing music in their headphones and on the studio monitors in stereo, without a clue if it's actually being transmitted in stereo or not. But at least they're definitely not talking about the fireworks music being in stereo via AM IBOC digital, because with IBOC's 8-1/2 second latency, the music would be horribly out-of-sync. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jul 04 22:12:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14244 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2004 05:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2004 05:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2004 05:12:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20040705051200.42266.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.44.46] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 22:12:00 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 22:12:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: Station Identication? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Who in our group is 'salonfan'? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jul 06 07:57:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27882 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 14:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2004 14:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 14:57:15 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.204]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:00:09 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c46369$6d51a680$ccb40642@4bmx301> To: Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:56:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: WAMS soon to be "AMS" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be overhauling the exciter for Wilmington's WAMS- so another music radio station will soon be on the air in AM Stereo. Here is a discussion link some of you may find interesting about them. Chris http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=201291&Board=philadelphia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 06 11:15:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94978 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 18:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2004 18:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 18:15:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20040706181343.56775.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:13:43 PDT Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:13:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.143 From: "John P." Subject: Sirius, you can't be serious X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Stopped at a RatShack this weekend and noticed that they're hawking the Sirius satellite boombox, so I gave it a whirl. I was not impressed - actually quite disappointed with the lack of audio quality (programming=good, sound=poor). The song "Wicked Game" by Chris Isaak was playing, and the digital artifacts were totally unbelievably poor - borderline unlistenable, yet on another channel, "Billy Jean" by Michael Jackson sounded 'okay' - like a junky mono portable FM radio. I wonder if they use different sampling rates or different bandwidths for each channel, or if the stereo guitar riffs and wide dynamic range of the Chris Isaak song caused their digital encoder to spazz-out? 10KHz AM Stereo with noise blanking is 10x better than this overly-high frequency-enhanced toy from Sirius. I was thoroughly disappointed. IMHO, The best of both worlds would be: the many programming options from Sirius distributed via wide bandwidth stereo to terrestrial AM Stereo stations for broadcast. Add Leonard Kahn's digital song ID and now you're talking. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 06 13:52:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34596 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 20:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2004 20:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 20:52:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2004 20:51:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:51:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c46369$6d51a680$ccb40642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1558 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.8 Subject: Re: WAMS soon to be "AMS" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I will be overhauling the exciter for Wilmington's WAMS- so another > music radio station will soon be on the air in AM Stereo. I wish I could listen to 1260 WAMS here in NJ, but between them and me is another station on 1260 kHz, WBUD in Trenton, NJ. And I'm surprised that since WAMS has been "for sale" for a number of years now, that the owners of WBUD haven't bought out WAMS to take them off the air, so that WBUD can relax its directional pattern (these two stations have deep nulls towards each other) and boost its power to improve its signal. But WBUD is also wedged in pretty tightly against 1250 WMTR from northern NJ and another station on 1270 from Pennsylvania. This is just one example of how tightly packed AM stations are here in the Northeast -- also, there are _three_ stations on 1310 kHz within the state of New Jersey -- and as I'm pretty much in the middle of all three, it takes a very good directional antenna for me to be able to hear any of them clearly enough to understand the programming. Even FM is pretty bad in some areas -- there are four stations all on 107.1 MHz within 75 miles of New York City; they all used to have a synchronized simulcast of a Country music format, but after that went kaput, all four stations were sold separately and now have individual programming, causing numerous areas of interference where their signals blend together. In fact, at my home in central NJ, I have been able to hear three of these four 107.1's just by pointing my FM antenna in different directions. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 06 13:59:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60996 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 20:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2004 20:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 20:59:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2004 20:58:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:58:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040706181343.56775.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 840 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.8 Subject: Re: Sirius, you can't be serious X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Stopped at a RatShack this weekend and noticed that they're hawking > the Sirius satellite boombox, so I gave it a whirl. I was not > impressed - actually quite disappointed with the lack of audio > quality (programming=good, sound=poor). Sirius is still using Lucent's PAC codec, which IBOC used for a while before the NRSC rejected its audio quality as too lousy to be acceptable. This actually came about because when XM was gearing up to go on the air, they said they were going to use PAC, so the Sirius folks decided to use PAC as well -- but at the last minute, XM switched to AAC, and rather that switch codecs, Sirius decided to just stick with PAC. So, while Lucent has abandoned its development of PAC, they still have a few people on the PAC team, just to maintain support for Sirius's use of the obsolete codec. From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jul 06 14:37:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7576 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 21:37:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2004 21:37:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 21:37:12 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.182.237]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:40:17 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c463a1$5268c960$edb60642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:36:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: WMTR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit speaking of WMTR- are they running an oldies format? They were coming in exceptionally well today, and I know they used to be stereo- any chance they will ever return to it? I could not get an ID by the time I got closer to home, as by then I was over 60 miles away. cc But WBUD is also wedged in pretty tightly against 1250 WMTR from northern NJ and another station on 1270 from Pennsylvania. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Tue Jul 06 15:49:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95036 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 22:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2004 22:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.183) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 22:49:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:49:35 -0700 Received: from 65.41.246.38 by bay22-dav3.bay22.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 22:49:35 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:48:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2004 22:49:35.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[82C0FE20:01C463AB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.183 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.41.246.38] Subject: Realistic AMS, Whoo Whoo!!!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I got my hands on a realisitc AMS tuner. Whoo Whoo, now I can listen to my AMS Exciter in Full AMS. I love it. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Jul 06 16:51:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15455 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 23:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2004 23:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 23:51:37 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040706235137.HITI6778.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:51:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:51:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001301c46369$6d51a680$ccb40642@4bmx301> Message-Id: <69DDB1D3-CFA7-11D8-9E76-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.30 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} WAMS soon to be "AMS" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like a temporary thing unless he gets a partner. On Tuesday, July 6, 2004, at 07:56 AM, Chris Cuff wrote: > I will be overhauling the exciter for Wilmington's WAMS- so another > music radio station will soon be on the air in AM Stereo. > Here is a discussion link some of you may find interesting about them. > Chris > > http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=201291&Board=philadelphia > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 06 17:16:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96622 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2004 00:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2004 00:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 00:16:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2004 00:16:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:16:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c463a1$5268c960$edb60642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1601 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.8 Subject: Re: WMTR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > speaking of WMTR- are they running an oldies format? 1250 WMTR used to run Sporting News Radio during the overnight hours, and some infomercials in the evenings, but I believe they're now "Classic Oldies" 24/7, with live DJs during the weekdays but mostly voice-tracked or automated during overnights and weekends. It is a locally produced format, though, not associated with Scott Shannon's syndicated "True Oldies" format (heard in AM Stereo on 850 WREF). > They were coming in exceptionally well today, and I know they used > to be stereo- any chance they will ever return to it? WMTR installed a new transmitter and new towers, and now they've upgraded to 7 kW at night (more sharply directional than the old 1 kW nighttime signal used to be, though). Daytime power (5 kW) and signal pattern remains the same as before, but the new transmitter and towers may have helped improve their daytime coverage as well. About two years ago, I wrote WMTR a nice long letter suggesting that they turn the AM Stereo back on, but all I got back was a terse reply to the effect of, "We have no interest in resuming use of AM Stereo. If WMTR ever broadcasts in Stereo in the future it will be with IBOC." Even WMTR's daytime simulcast on 1170 WWTR has a Stereo-capable Optimod 9100 audio processor, a full Stereo STL, and a C-Quam- equipped B.E. transmitter -- but they leave it in mono, thinking that it helps increase their modulation level and signal coverage. So, so much for that. But at least 1250 WMTR and 1170 WWTR both have nice-sounding full-bandwidth analog mono signals. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 07 06:25:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93065 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2004 13:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2004 13:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 13:25:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20040707132409.9300.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 06:24:09 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 06:24:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: re: Subject: WAMS soon to be "AMS" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio cc wrote: "I will be overhauling the exciter for Wilmington's WAMS- so another music radio station will soon be on the air in AM Stereo." Do they have a 'connection' for the AMS exciter on their new transmitter? If the AMS exciter is the old crystal-replacement type, then I don't think you'll be able to just 'plug it in'? OTOH, is it a Harris AMS unit designed specifically to plug into a spot on the Harris AM xmitter? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Jul 07 06:29:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84522 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2004 13:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2004 13:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 13:29:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2004 13:29:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:29:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 193 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.24.70 Subject: Re: AM STEREO IN THE NORTHERN TERRITORY? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan , though- that there may be one each in Alice and darwin. > Let us know what you hear in 8-Land. :) > I've a wideband ams rec of 8DN (Darwin) from 1991, doubt if it's still stereo though From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 07 06:45:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49548 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2004 13:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2004 13:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 13:45:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2004 13:45:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:45:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 622 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.20 Subject: Fwd: AM IBOC interference to increase X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the Radio-Tech list.... [RT] AM IBOC interference to increase Chuck Hutton Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:27:43 -0700 In iBiquity's AM IBOC spec ("IBOC AM Transmission Specification", Appendix A) the secondary subcarriers in the mask in Figure 6.3.6 were shown at -43 dBc. iBiquity has released a new specification called "HD Radio AM Transmission System Specifications" (June 23, 2004), and the secondary subcarriers are now shown at -37 dBc in Figure 4-1 (the revised mask). Looks like the IBOC interference is headed upwards. Does anyone know if the AM IBOC'ers are already running the new values? Chuck Hutton From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 07 07:43:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72350 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2004 14:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2004 14:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 14:43:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2004 14:43:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:43:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1662 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.20 Subject: Say goodbye to AM IBOC Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics In a recent filing with the FCC, iBiquity has hinted that if AM IBOC stations find the audio quality of 36 kbps AM IBOC Stereo to be unacceptable, or if they would prefer not to transmit the digital signal in stereo, then AM IBOC stations may use the full "Enhanced" mode 36 kbps data stream for single-channel (mono) digital audio. Up until now, it was assumed that an Enhanced mode 36 kbps AM IBOC data stream was synonymous with Stereo sound. In other words, if you have an IBOC receiver and it locked onto an Enhanced mode AM IBOC signal, this was going to be in Stereo. But now, per iBiquity's admission, reception of an Enhanced mode AM IBOC signal is no guarantee that the station is actually transmitting Stereo audio via its digital signal; all you might get is mono audio with improved quality versus either Core mode (20 kbps) mono or Enhanced mode (36 kbps) Stereo. iBiquity also says they do not wish to establish any standard for IBOC digital audio quality; they prefer to let each station decide for itself what kind of digital audio they want to broadcast. So this means despite the promise of pristine, hi-fi digital audio with fantastic dynamic range, if some IBOC station wants to smash and trash their digital audio with the same kind of over-processing that is common today on analog AM & FM radio, there is nothing to stop them from doing that. So, say hello to the IBOC Loudness Wars, just like what we've had on analog radio for the past 30 years or so! Read iBiquity's comments yourself at (unwrap URL as appropriate): http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_ document=6516213849 From wa2fnq@optonline.net Wed Jul 07 08:14:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25530 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2004 15:14:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2004 15:14:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 15:14:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2004 15:13:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:12:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1955 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: Re: Say goodbye to AM IBOC Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq This is also an admission that their audio still sounds like garbage. It may be better than it was but for those of us who care.... Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > In a recent filing with the FCC, iBiquity has hinted that if AM IBOC > stations find the audio quality of 36 kbps AM IBOC Stereo to be > unacceptable, or if they would prefer not to transmit the digital > signal in stereo, then AM IBOC stations may use the full "Enhanced" > mode 36 kbps data stream for single-channel (mono) digital audio. > > Up until now, it was assumed that an Enhanced mode 36 kbps AM IBOC > data stream was synonymous with Stereo sound. In other words, if you > have an IBOC receiver and it locked onto an Enhanced mode AM IBOC > signal, this was going to be in Stereo. But now, per iBiquity's > admission, reception of an Enhanced mode AM IBOC signal is no > guarantee that the station is actually transmitting Stereo audio via > its digital signal; all you might get is mono audio with improved > quality versus either Core mode (20 kbps) mono or Enhanced mode > (36 kbps) Stereo. > > iBiquity also says they do not wish to establish any standard for > IBOC digital audio quality; they prefer to let each station decide > for itself what kind of digital audio they want to broadcast. So > this means despite the promise of pristine, hi-fi digital audio with > fantastic dynamic range, if some IBOC station wants to smash and > trash their digital audio with the same kind of over-processing that > is common today on analog AM & FM radio, there is nothing to stop > them from doing that. So, say hello to the IBOC Loudness Wars, just > like what we've had on analog radio for the past 30 years or so! > > Read iBiquity's comments yourself at (unwrap URL as appropriate): > > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi? native_or_pdf=pdf&id_ > document=6516213849 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 07 08:18:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2638 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2004 15:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2004 15:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51606.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.211) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 15:18:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20040707151711.39464.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.87.20] by web51606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 08:17:11 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:17:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, radio-tech@broadcast.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.211 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Ol' Lenny at it again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Leonard Kahn now says that the FCC should allow radio stations to transmit any kind of signal they want, as long as it meets the existing FCC rules (unwrap long URL as appropriate): http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6516214399 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jul 07 08:48:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62910 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2004 15:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2004 15:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 15:48:46 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.202]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:52:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c46439$da039d80$cab10642@4bmx301> To: References: <20040707132409.9300.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:48:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: Subject: WAMS soon to be "AMS" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, it's all set to go, station-wise- it's a Harris with no audio, but pilot is ok. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:24 AM Subject: {AMSF} re: Subject: WAMS soon to be "AMS" cc wrote: "I will be overhauling the exciter for Wilmington's WAMS- so another music radio station will soon be on the air in AM Stereo." Do they have a 'connection' for the AMS exciter on their new transmitter? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 07 14:35:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21019 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2004 21:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2004 21:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 21:35:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2004 21:34:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:34:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c46439$da039d80$cab10642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 135 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: Subject: WAMS soon to be "AMS" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > No, it's all set to go, station-wise- it's a Harris with no audio, > but pilot is ok. > cc "The light's on but nobody's home!" :-) From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jul 07 16:25:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14624 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2004 23:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2004 23:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 23:25:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2004 23:24:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:24:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 133 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.237 Subject: The end of analog....in the UK? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Things don't look good for analog radio when this happens. :( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3872969.stm Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 07 22:52:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75884 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2004 05:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2004 05:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2004 05:52:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2004 05:52:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:52:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 686 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.10 Subject: Another station dumps Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics WKOE dropped Stereo a while back, and here is the station engineer's response when one person asked about it on the NJ radio board: WKOE's coverage area is almost DOUBLED by being in mono. There have been 2 complaints about this, both by people on this board. The average listener is listening for the CONTENT ... whether it be talk or music, they aren't driving around looking at the stereo light. Many of the songs played on the weekend were made popular on mono stations anyway. Bottom line - field testing (flipping back and forth between mono and stereo while out in the distance) has shown that mono is louder and stronger everywhere. p.s. WKOE is on 106.3 _FM_! From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jul 07 23:12:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67635 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2004 06:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2004 06:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2004 06:12:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2004 06:11:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:11:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 191 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.237 Subject: Re: Another station dumps Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > p.s. WKOE is on 106.3 _FM_! That would be about right for FM. Oh, and...stereo ISN'T content?? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Thu Jul 08 03:31:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12774 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2004 10:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2004 10:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.211) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2004 10:31:46 -0000 Received: from user-1366.l1.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.5.86] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BiWBo-0005un-7s for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:31:40 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:30:34 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.211 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: The end of analogue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Amy, Don't you believe it. It's all manufacturer driven BS. The 444% increase in DAB listeners here in the UK is in no way indicative of the amount of listeners v's our 55 million population. I know no-one who listens to DAB. I know no-one that has DAB in the car which is where most people listen to radio. I rarely listen to streaming-only stations on the web. It will be 20+ years before people dump their analogue radios, or transmitters in Europe. I only sell analogue transmitters and sales are exploding even if my large orders come from developing nations. My largest market is Ireland and the US. Just shipping a 5Kw FM transmitter (all solid-state) and 8-bay array to Ghana. Ghana will never go digital. They don't know what the word means:-) Take care -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Jul 08 05:15:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56064 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2004 12:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2004 12:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2004 12:15:01 -0000 Received: from storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id D7537BE44; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA12620; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:14:35 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRDc956x0AZsn+mmCxqwNBtjqmoQQIUMndbb1fPn4A7iDQ/WxSl6B2gjjg= Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:14:35 -0500 To: amstereo@smartgroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoguy@hotmail.com, ccuff@in4web.com Message-ID: <16515-40ED3AAB-933@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones)'s message of Sat, 3 Jul 2004 06:51:31 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [amstereo] KKCJ & recent Logs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 My recent trip to eastern Iowa on the July 4th weekend had some interesting catches!!! 1650 KKCJ Iowa City, Iowa could be heard but was too weak to confirm AM stereo operation. The rock n roll format must be gone. Running community info and polka music on Sunday Morning relog 1310 KGRN or something similar --- Grinnell, Iowa with community announcements and CBS news nice strong signal ID's as "Stereo 1310 " Could not hear enough music to confirm stereo operation. new 1300 KGLO Mason City, OR Waterloo, Iowa News talk station owned by Clear Channel Fair signal. new 1350 KRNT Des Moines nostalgic music with Sid Mark's "Sounds of Sinata" nice signal AM mono relog 1040 WHO Des Moines 50Kw Talk and news No surprise here... relog 1330 OR 1320 Mystery station strong signal with NO legal ID's at top of the hour and I checked 3 times very definite AM stereo with a lot of separation Herb Albert and the Tiauna Brass as a food example of Stereo effects. a variety format Never could get a fix on this stations calls or location format seems to all automated. Anybody have any ideas on this one?? I am guessing they would be in Central or Eastern Iowa. new I was using my 1985 vintage Sony SRF-A100 Am ((( Stereo))) receiver with analog tuning. I was a few miles north of Brooklyn, Iowa. I also did a bandscan of the FM band, nothing out of the ordinary on FM. One other surprise .... 1110 KFAB // WBT Omaha, NE ,,, Charlotte, NC Heard a mix of both KFAB and i suspect WBT late on July 3rd about 2300 hours plus Could head Art Bell and Coast to Coast AM which leads me to suspect KFAB as Art Bell is consistent with KFAB's late evening saturday programming. KFAB's directional signal does NOT favor the east. WMBI 1110 Chicago is another possible suspect for the"other" station relog Hope you had a great weekend.. Bill Snyder - Omaha, NE From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Jul 08 06:04:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8034 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2004 13:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2004 13:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2004 13:04:17 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.23.15] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:03:11 -0600 Message-ID: <001f01c464ec$b97db7e0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:08:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2004 13:03:11.0870 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC5B11E0:01C464EB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another station dumps Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Interesting that it was an FM station this time, but with a class-A signal they would have more to gain by going mono. I wonder if a lot of people will even notice since a lot of radios don't even have FM stereo indicators anymore? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Bottom line - field testing (flipping back and forth > between mono and stereo while out in the distance) > has shown that mono is louder and stronger everywhere. > > p.s. WKOE is on 106.3 _FM_! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 08 08:11:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69096 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2004 15:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2004 15:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2004 15:11:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20040708151112.25932.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:11:12 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:11:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.143 From: "John P." Subject: Maybe Leonard Kahn is right/Power outage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio KT wrote: Leonard Kahn now says that the FCC should allow radio stations to transmit any kind of signal they want, as long as it meets the existing FCC rules(unwrap long URL as appropriate): http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6516214399 My Comments: I would much rather support Leonard Kahn wholeheartedly than iBiquity, as iBiquity is now backpedalling about even having stereo AM at all, and the audio 'quality' - or lack thereof. All indications are that Kahn's system would keep the AM band interference in check. Leonard Kahn could start stereo broadcasts out to 8KHz during the month of July yet. I would rather modify every CQuam radio with a different pilot tone and 90 degrees phase shifter and support Kahn rather than have the IBOC interference destroy reception thanks to iBquity's skywaves. Kahn's program is a better plan for the AM band in general in keeping compatibility and using AM for what it is best for: emergency communications on BASIC receivers during times of an emergency. HOW CAN WE HELP OUT LEONARD KAHN? How about if we file replies to Kahn's comments in support of Lenny. We need to get a senator on our side too. When we (N. Ohio) were in the big August Power Outage last year, ALL phones were out of commission. Wirelines - overloaded. Cell - no connect at all. Even the ham radio repeater autopatch phone was out. I could not call home. ALL local AM and FM's were off. The bands were dead except for 50KW WJR (and CKLW). My only source to know that the outage affected a huge area was to listen to 50KW WJR talk about the enormity of the outage and reports that all of Northern Ohio, SE Mich, NE Indiana, NY, Ontario and parts of PA were out of juice. Sidenote: I was also disappointed that NOT ONE of my local stations had working backup power generation. WSPD had the equipment, but it didn't work. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Jul 08 09:40:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34528 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2004 16:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2004 16:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2004 16:40:46 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040708164043.MXQE27709.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 12:40:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:40:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001f01c464ec$b97db7e0$d503fea9@home1> Message-Id: <8CDEF502-D0FD-11D8-930E-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.35 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another station dumps Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The people with old cheap stereos (those that only turn off muting when=20 a stereo signal is present) might notice. On Thursday, July 8, 2004, at 06:08 AM, Scott Todd wrote: > Interesting that it was an FM station this time, but with a class-A=20 > signal > they would have more to gain by going mono.=A0 I wonder if a lot of=20 > people > will even notice since a lot of radios don't even have FM stereo=20 > indicators > anymore? > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin T." > > > Bottom line - field testing (flipping back and forth > > between mono and stereo while out in the distance) > > has shown that mono is louder and stronger everywhere. > > > > p.s. WKOE is on 106.3 _FM_! > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 08 10:20:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97677 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2004 17:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2004 17:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2004 17:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.124.96.163 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2004 17:20:38 -0000 Message-ID: <001601c4650f$6ed84ac0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:17:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.84 From: Subject: Kevin on IBOC receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I did not cach Kevin's revu on the sound from his iboc receiver. I will have to agree with him on one thing about IBOC its to damed wide. Its wider than AM STEREO used to be. There were a fue grips about that in the 80's. I gess thats why thay droped to 10khz insted of 15khz. There where so good sounding AM STEREO stations in wide back in the 80's. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 08 13:14:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63616 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2004 20:14:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2004 20:14:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2004 20:14:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2004 20:14:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:14:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16515-40ED3AAB-933@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 789 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.6 Subject: Re: [amstereo] KKCJ & recent Logs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 1650 KKCJ Iowa City, Iowa could be heard but was too weak to > confirm AM stereo operation. The rock n roll format must be gone. > Running community info and polka music on Sunday Morning relog KCJJ [not "KKCJ"] from Iowa City is on 1630 kHz... are you sure you weren't listening to 1650 KCNZ/Cedar Falls, IA? And like many AM stations, KCJJ may have different programming on the weekends, especially Sunday mornings. > 1330 OR 1320 Mystery station strong signal with NO legal > ID's at top of the hour and I checked 3 times very definite > AM stereo with a lot of separation Herb Albert and the Tiauna > Brass as a food example of Stereo effects. I'd say that was probably 1330 KWLO/Waterloo, IA -- AM Stereo with an Adult Standards format at last check. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 08 13:21:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9837 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2004 20:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2004 20:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2004 20:21:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2004 20:21:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:21:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040708151112.25932.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 794 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.6 Subject: Re: Maybe Leonard Kahn is right/Power outage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > All indications are that Kahn's system would keep the AM band > interference in check. Leonard Kahn could start stereo broadcasts > out to 8KHz during the month of July yet. I think Ol' Lenny just wants to get his analog ISB stereo system back on the air... and _then_ he'll work on adding digital data and audio services if any of his "loyalist" stations demand it. Kahn AM Stereo equipment still exists at quite a few stations... perhaps as many as "over 100 stations" if Kahn's claims are to be believed... but it's all either switched to Power-Side mode or bypassed to transmit AM mono. But as Kahn has said, these stations could be transmitting his AM Stereo system -- er, make that the "core" mode of his "Cam-D" system -- "at the flick of a switch", if the FCC allows it. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 08 13:27:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50862 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2004 20:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2004 20:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2004 20:27:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2004 20:27:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:27:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CDEF502-D0FD-11D8-930E-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 735 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.6 Subject: Re: Another (FM) station dumps Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The people with old cheap stereos (those that only turn off muting > when a stereo signal is present) might notice. There are also reportedly some receivers whose "seek" or "scan" mode tuning will not stop on an FM mono signal, no matter how strong it is, because the 19 kHz FM Stereo pilot tone is used as the trigger to sense if a signal is present. But on the other hand, I have an old '70s tuner whose FM "Stereo" indicator (an incandescent light bulb, not an LED) remains lit even when switched to FM Mono mode, and varies in brightness according to signal strength... I guess the "Stereo" light is simply tied to the 19 kHz pilot tone detector's output, rather than through a circuit to turn it on or off completely. From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Jul 08 13:49:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83186 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2004 20:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2004 20:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.13) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2004 20:49:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:49:53 -0700 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:49:53 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:49:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2004 20:49:53.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EAD3CE0:01C4652D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.13 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Another (FM) station dumps Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane It wouldn't be a Kenwood by chance? I have an old one also with a signal strength meter and the stereo light varies in intensity along with the meter's needle. Paul Crane >From: "Kevin T." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Another (FM) station dumps Stereo >Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:27:14 -0000 > > > The people with old cheap stereos (those that only turn off muting > > when a stereo signal is present) might notice. > >There are also reportedly some receivers whose "seek" or "scan" mode >tuning will not stop on an FM mono signal, no matter how strong it >is, because the 19 kHz FM Stereo pilot tone is used as the trigger to >sense if a signal is present. > >But on the other hand, I have an old '70s tuner whose FM "Stereo" >indicator (an incandescent light bulb, not an LED) remains lit even >when switched to FM Mono mode, and varies in brightness according to >signal strength... I guess the "Stereo" light is simply tied to the >19 kHz pilot tone detector's output, rather than through a circuit to >turn it on or off completely. > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Jul 08 19:30:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 943 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2004 02:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2004 02:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2004 02:30:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2004 02:30:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 02:30:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 856 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.116.197 Subject: Re: Another (FM) station dumps Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > is, because the 19 kHz FM Stereo pilot tone is used as the trigger > to > sense if a signal is present. One of my current bosses owned an FM that had a weak signal, and he ran it Mono, but he still broadcast a low-level 19khz. pilot tone for basically the same reason you just mentioned, as a 'tuning light'for radios. > But on the other hand, I have an old '70s tuner whose FM "Stereo" > indicator (an incandescent light bulb, not an LED) remains lit even > when switched to FM Mono mode. I just went to Toronto, and bought myself a Perstel Eureka-147 DAB/FM "Walkman"-like radio (more on that at a later time)...Now that I'm back in the US, I use it as an FM-only radio.....Its FM reception is marginal at best, with FM stations coming in as Mono most of the time....Nevertheless, the "STEREO" indicator remains lit all the time. --Tony From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 08 20:52:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4958 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2004 03:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2004 03:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2004 03:52:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2004 03:52:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:52:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1328 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.6 Subject: Kahn mod monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Thanks to eBay, I now have a Kahn RF-01 AM Stereo modulation monitor: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5703703214 It looks great and aside from a few noisy switches it works great, but I do have a few questions... first, anyone have any clue how I can change the frequency it's set to? There are no DIP switches or jumpers anywhere, but it does have two large crystals: one 2960 kHz crystal and one 3000 kHz crystal. I don't know how that quite translates into its actual monitoring frequency of 1380 kHz, though. (BTW, it was removed from former Kahn AM Stereo station 1380 WRBQ in St. Petersburg, FL -- now Radio Disney affiliate WWMI.) Also, does anyone know what the correct pilot tone injection level is for the Kahn system? I know for C-Quam, it is typically 4.0% to 5.0% (I believe the official Motorla spec is 4%, but the FCC and Canadian rules dictate a level of 5%). This Kahn mod monitor does have a meter setting to display the pilot tone level, but I'm not quite sure what the procedure is to use this to set the correct pilot tone level. Anyway, component date codes indicate that this Kahn mod monitor was made some time in 1984, and it has a serial number of 119. And the ironic thing is, its circuitry uses numerous ICs manufactured by none other than.... Motorola!! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 08 22:22:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31574 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2004 05:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2004 05:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51603.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.208) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2004 05:22:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20040709052215.45779.qmail@web51603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.90.6] by web51603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 22:22:15 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:22:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.208 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Fwd: AM stereo station (Mexico) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- Rpena wrote: > Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:18:47 -0600 > From: Rpena > To: amstereoexp@yahoo.com > Subject: AM stereo station > > Dear friends: > > I have an AM Stereo station to be included in the AM Stereo Web Site: > > XEDN 1240 AM STEREO Ciudad Delicias, Chih ("Radio Radiola") > > I have a Clarion AM stereo car radio (labeled with BOSE). > > Regards, > > RAMON PENA > Chihuahua, Mexico. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 08 22:37:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50605 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2004 05:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2004 05:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2004 05:37:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2004 05:37:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 05:37:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 999 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.6 Subject: Re: Another (FM) station dumps Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Its FM reception is marginal at best, with FM stations coming in > as Mono most of the time....Nevertheless, the "STEREO" indicator > remains lit all the time. On some Nissan car radios (made by Clarion), the FM Stereo indicator remains on by default; it only turns off if a strong signal with no pilot tone is detected. Therefore, even when tuned to a blank channel or a channel between stations that's just a lot of noise, the Stereo indicator remains lit. And as one person mentioned, quite a few radios these days do not have any FM Stereo indicator. It makes me feel a bit "lost" to not have a Stereo indicator, since it usually illuminates almost instantly after tuning in a frequency, even before the radio's audio un-mutes. Therefore, the Stereo light makes a handy "beacon" to tell if you've tuned in a receivable station or not... and without it, you have to wait until the audio un-mutes to tell if the frequency you've selected has any listenable station on it or not. From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Jul 08 23:50:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68401 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2004 06:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2004 06:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2004 06:50:47 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040709064859.YCLV909.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 02:48:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 23:48:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0E412C8E-D174-11D8-8F61-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.28 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Another (FM) station dumps Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My old Harmon Kardon Citation III FM tuner has a stereo light that is=20 always on; essentially it means the MPX adapter is switched in. By the way, if I decide to do so, would anyone be interested in a=20 Fisher tube AM only tuner (I forget the model; it is the "professional"=20 AM tuner). I will be moving and might want to part with some old=20 equipment including that, maybe a Fisher receiver, and maybe a wire=20 recorder. Neither Fisher has been plugged in in a few years; the AM=20 tuner does not have a face plate. It does have a dial, just not the=20 outer plate. I was going to make one at one time but bought a Carver=20 TX11b instead. Richard On Thursday, July 8, 2004, at 10:37 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > Its FM reception is marginal at best, with FM stations coming in > > as Mono most of the time....Nevertheless, the "STEREO" indicator > > remains lit all the time. > > On some Nissan car radios (made by Clarion), the FM Stereo indicator > remains on by default; it only turns off if a strong signal with no > pilot tone is detected.=A0 Therefore, even when tuned to a blank > channel or a channel between stations that's just a lot of noise, > the Stereo indicator remains lit. > > And as one person mentioned, quite a few radios these days do not > have any FM Stereo indicator.=A0 It makes me feel a bit "lost" to not > have a Stereo indicator, since it usually illuminates almost > instantly after tuning in a frequency, even before the radio's audio > un-mutes.=A0 Therefore, the Stereo light makes a handy "beacon" to tell > if you've tuned in a receivable station or not... and without it, you > have to wait until the audio un-mutes to tell if the frequency you've > selected has any listenable station on it or not. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 09 03:34:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35293 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2004 10:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2004 10:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2004 10:34:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2004 10:33:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:33:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 153 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.237 Subject: ISB stereo airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie *sniffs around "lrkahn"'s Yahoo! Briefcase for new ISB airchecks from Japan* http://jp.y42.briefcase.yahoo.co.jp/bc/lrkahn/lst?.dir=/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Jul 09 03:54:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29871 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2004 10:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2004 10:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.173.60) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2004 10:54:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:53:21 -0700 Received: from 209.240.207.113 by bay5-dav30.bay5.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:53:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:53:21 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <8669-40EE7921-5017@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 9 Jul 2004 09:23:19 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2004 10:53:21.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3839250:01C465A2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.173.60 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: [209.240.207.113] Subject: Re: Another station dumps stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Scott wrote: > Interesting that it was an FM station > this time, but with a class-A signal > they would have more to gain by going > mono. I wonder if a lot of people will > even notice since a lot of radios don't > even have FM stereo indicators anymore? > --- WWKX 106.3 MHZ COL Woonsocket R.I. has been broadcasting in MONO for several months now no seperation detected but pilot light is on. From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Jul 09 06:24:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48651 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2004 13:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2004 13:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2004 13:24:15 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.205] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:23:25 -0600 Message-ID: <002201c465b8$b9264f60$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <8669-40EE7921-5017@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:29:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2004 13:23:26.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAE4CBE0:01C465B7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Another station dumps stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude KBEK in Mora did the same thing for about a year and a half because one of their STL transmitters croaked and it took them that long to afford to have it fixed. One of the owners died not too long ago (only 48 of cancer); not sure how long his widow will want to keep the station. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > WWKX 106.3 MHZ COL Woonsocket R.I. has been broadcasting in MONO for > several months now no seperation detected but pilot light is on. From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Jul 09 06:29:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57934 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2004 13:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2004 13:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2004 13:29:19 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.205] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:28:09 -0600 Message-ID: <003301c465b9$61e26a80$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:33:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2004 13:28:09.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[939B68C0:01C465B8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn mod monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Since you're the winning bidder, call ol' Lenny yourself and see if he can still copy the pages for you. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Thanks to eBay, I now have a Kahn RF-01 AM Stereo modulation monitor: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5703703214 > > It looks great and aside from a few noisy switches it works great, > but I do have a few questions... first, anyone have any clue how I > can change the frequency it's set to? > > Also, does anyone know what the correct pilot tone injection level is > for the Kahn system? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 09 07:28:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99587 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2004 14:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2004 14:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2004 14:28:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20040709142811.37515.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 07:28:11 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:28:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: Kahn Mod Monitor question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin T.wrote:"I now have a Kahn RF-01 AM Stereo modulation monitor:" ...I do have a few questions... first, anyone have any clue how I can change the frequency it's set to?" Scott Todd, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this designed just to have a loop located near the transmitter for this mod monitor, and therefore it isn't set to a specific monitoring frequency? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Jul 09 07:41:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50488 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2004 14:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2004 14:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2004 14:41:09 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.205] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:40:23 -0600 Message-ID: <004e01c465c3$79c68d20$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20040709142811.37515.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:46:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2004 14:40:24.0627 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB5CE830:01C465C2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn Mod Monitor question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Don't know enough about the Kahn unit to comment, but I do know that you can't do that with a CQuAM monitor. Old time mono mod monitors generally weren't frequency selective, though I know the old General Radio units did have a single tuned input circuit that covered everything from broadcast to much of the shortwave bands. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > Kevin T.wrote:"I now have a Kahn RF-01 AM Stereo modulation monitor:" > ...I do have a few questions... first, anyone have any clue how I > can change the frequency it's set to?" > > Scott Todd, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this designed just to have a > loop located near the transmitter for this mod monitor, and therefore it isn't > set to a specific monitoring frequency? From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Jul 09 14:25:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1364 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2004 21:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2004 21:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2004 21:25:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2004 21:25:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:25:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 372 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: Kahn mod monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Hey Kevin: Any idea what year they took the Kahn AMS off the air at WRBQ(AM)?? I recall hearing the station quite a few times on my trips to Sanibel from 1989-1992-ish....I remember noting they must've been some form of non C-QUAM Stereo, as the AMS radio in the Town Car my dad rented in '90 when we went to Naples did not go Stereo when I tuned them in. --tony s. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 09 15:13:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31805 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2004 22:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2004 22:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2004 22:13:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2004 22:13:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:13:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1083 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.19 Subject: Re: Kahn mod monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Any idea what year they took the Kahn AMS off the air at WRBQ(AM)?? I dunno, but the mod monitor does have a handwritten note stuck inside: "Removed gnd for use with AM loop ant. 11-21-94 LF" I know after the FCC decision selecting the C-Quam system was made in 1993, stations using other systems were given one year to either convert to C-Quam or switch to mono, so the official switch-off date for Kahn AM Stereo was some time in 1994. Of course, a Kahn AM Stereo modulation monitor can still be used by licensed stations today, to monitor either a plain mono signal or a Kahn Power-Side signal. Also, with my Panasonic multi-system AM Stereo generator connected directly to the Kahn mod monitor, it will detect and monitor audio from a signal anywhere in the AM band, but it will only properly decode the ISB Stereo audio from a 1380 kHz signal. And actually, through the mod monitor, an AM Stereo signal using any system will be received in stereo -- but only an Kahn ISB signal will have the proper phasing to recover the correct Left and Right channel audio. From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri Jul 09 16:15:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34036 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2004 23:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2004 23:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2004 23:15:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2004 23:15:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 23:15:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 874 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: Re: Another station dumps Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Maybe they should use C-Quam, and they won't have those problems... Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > WKOE dropped Stereo a while back, and here is the station engineer's > response when one person asked about it on the NJ radio board: > > > WKOE's coverage area is almost DOUBLED by being in mono. > There have been 2 complaints about this, both by people > on this board. The average listener is listening for > the CONTENT ... whether it be talk or music, they aren't > driving around looking at the stereo light. Many of > the songs played on the weekend were made popular on > mono stations anyway. > > Bottom line - field testing (flipping back and forth > between mono and stereo while out in the distance) > has shown that mono is louder and stronger everywhere. > > > > p.s. WKOE is on 106.3 _FM_! From cbreton27@hotmail.com Sat Jul 10 04:33:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93091 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2004 11:33:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2004 11:33:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2004 11:33:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 04:33:11 -0700 Received: from 69.157.132.28 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:33:11 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:33:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2004 11:33:11.0878 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE892E60:01C46671] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.76 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.132.28] Subject: Plymouth voyager 1987 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hello ! I have a car radio from a plymouth voyager 1987 (cassette unit and bass treble) and i install this unit in my hobby room last night. I had two surprise, the extended band is open up to 1700, and secondly and unfortunetely I DO NOT HAVE AM STEREO !! I check 1680 wttm and no "st" signal on the radio. I have a sony 2010, sony srf a-100 (lucky me) and a sony srf-42, sony wm-f49. Maybe the signal wasn't strong enough, i have done a band scan no stereo signal, condition last night was not that great. I live in canada in the province of quebec, there's only am station (chrc 800) they were never in stereo. So is it possible to convert my car radio to am stereo instead of returning the radio to the auto parts( he will not take it back) or I'll have to find a dodge shadow 1988, when i had that car i was able to pick up am stereo signal. I will lose the extended band but i don't care no am stereo signal ( i have the extended band in my car) thanks for the answer from a sad radio freak... Christian _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sat Jul 10 04:44:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36246 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2004 11:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2004 11:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2004 11:44:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 04:44:36 -0700 Received: from 68.76.52.185 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:44:36 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:44:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2004 11:44:36.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[46D394C0:01C46673] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.41 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.76.52.185] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Plymouth voyager 1987 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Christian - Before you do anything, as a suggestion, try WJR 760 (Detroit) or WLS 890 (Chicago). You should be able to get either or both of these stations at night. If these stations are reasonably audible and the stereo light doesn't come on, then you don't have an AM stereo unit. Paul Crane >From: "christian breton" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Plymouth voyager 1987 >Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:33:11 -0400 > > > >Hello ! > > >I have a car radio from a plymouth voyager 1987 (cassette unit and bass >treble) and i install this unit in my hobby room last night. >I had two surprise, the extended band is open up to 1700, and secondly and >unfortunetely I DO NOT HAVE AM STEREO !! I check 1680 wttm and no "st" >signal on the radio. I have a sony 2010, sony srf a-100 (lucky me) and a >sony srf-42, sony wm-f49. > >Maybe the signal wasn't strong enough, i have done a band scan no stereo >signal, condition last night was not that great. > >I live in canada in the province of quebec, there's only am station (chrc >800) they were never in stereo. > >So is it possible to convert my car radio to am stereo instead of returning >the radio to the auto parts( he will not take it back) or I'll have to find >a dodge shadow 1988, when i had that car i was able to pick up am stereo >signal. I will lose the extended band but i don't care no am stereo signal >( >i have the extended band in my car) > > > >thanks for the answer from a sad radio freak... > >Christian > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! >http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jul 10 06:15:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74628 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2004 13:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2004 13:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2004 13:15:56 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.1] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:15:31 -0600 Message-ID: <002801c46680$ca0ccca0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:21:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2004 13:15:32.0426 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA9672A0:01C4667F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plymouth voyager 1987 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The radio may not be original to that car. Physically the mounting and faceplate dimensions were the same for quite awhile. Some time in 92 they discontinued radios with AM stereo except for the Infinity-class ones. From about 95 on they started making radios with the AM stereo decoder chip again, but they left a few parts off that would allow stereo operation. They were interested only in the low distortion of the synchronous detectors. I know Chris Cuff has converted a few of these radios to stereo by adding the necessary parts. Getting a schematic for it won't be easy, but since the radio is likely over five years old, you could get one of the service shops to photocopy it for you. You'll need the schematic and parts layouts. Contact United Radio in Syracuse, NY, or Downtown Radio in Denver, CO. There will be a nominal charge for the copying. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "christian breton" > So is it possible to convert my car radio to am stereo instead of returning > the radio to the auto parts( he will not take it back) or I'll have to find > a dodge shadow 1988, when i had that car i was able to pick up am stereo > signal. I will lose the extended band but i don't care no am stereo signal ( > i have the extended band in my car) > From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jul 10 06:36:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45089 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2004 13:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2004 13:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2004 13:36:57 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.1] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:36:54 -0600 Message-ID: <003801c46683$c71afc80$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <002801c46680$ca0ccca0$d503fea9@home1> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:42:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2004 13:36:55.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[F764DA60:01C46682] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plymouth voyager 1987 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude One thing I forgot to mention is to pull the cover off the radio and see if it has the MC13020P chip in there. Not sure if Chrysler ever resorted to house numbers as Delco did. It would be a 20-pin narrow DIP chip. (Note- I have seen a small, surface-mount version of this chip too. The number is more important than the style.) If it's got that it's a candidate for conversion. The Clarion-made units from 92-92 didn't have them. Would the salvage yard you got this from take it back in trade for another unit? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" > The radio may not be original to that car. Physically the mounting and > faceplate dimensions were the same for quite awhile. Some time in 92 they > discontinued radios with AM stereo except for the Infinity-class ones. From cbreton27@hotmail.com Sat Jul 10 06:49:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54571 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2004 13:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2004 13:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2004 13:49:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:49:06 -0700 Received: from 69.157.132.28 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:49:06 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:49:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2004 13:49:06.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB2C7430:01C46684] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.86 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.132.28] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plymouth voyager 1987 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi Scott, I'm not familiar about this, is it easy to find when the radio is open ? Where is located ? Thanks Christian >From: "Scott Todd" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plymouth voyager 1987 >Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:42:35 -0500 > >One thing I forgot to mention is to pull the cover off the radio and see if >it has the MC13020P chip in there. Not sure if Chrysler ever resorted to >house numbers as Delco did. It would be a 20-pin narrow DIP chip. (Note- >I >have seen a small, surface-mount version of this chip too. The number is >more important than the style.) If it's got that it's a candidate for >conversion. The Clarion-made units from 92-92 didn't have them. Would the >salvage yard you got this from take it back in trade for another unit? > >Scott Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Todd" > > > The radio may not be original to that car. Physically the mounting and > > faceplate dimensions were the same for quite awhile. Some time in 92 >they > > discontinued radios with AM stereo except for the Infinity-class ones. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 10 06:56:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19900 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2004 13:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2004 13:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2004 13:56:44 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.178.250]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:59:12 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c46685$8cb6f2e0$fab20642@4bmx301> To: References: <002801c46680$ca0ccca0$d503fea9@home1> <003801c46683$c71afc80$d503fea9@home1> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:55:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plymouth voyager 1987 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is definitely NOT the original radio for this car. The original ones would not go to 1700. If it has the IC in it, disabled, it will be an MC 13022 with private house #s. Scott is correct- all these radios are physically interchangeable, and the plug in harness is the same. Incidently, Radiosandmore is selling 50 Chrysler RAZ CD/Cassette radios with am stereo on ebay right now at $125.00 each. A bargain- but they are the newer face with the oval outline face. CC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 10 07:10:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36418 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2004 14:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2004 14:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2004 14:10:51 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.178.250]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:14:27 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c46687$ad8af640$fab20642@4bmx301> To: References: <002801c46680$ca0ccca0$d503fea9@home1> <003801c46683$c71afc80$d503fea9@home1> <000a01c46685$8cb6f2e0$fab20642@4bmx301> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:10:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: off topic- RCA Lyra video jukebox X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As there are plenty of techno-toy freaks like me on this list, I thought I would give a review of my new RCA Lyra recorder- The model is RD2780. It can record audio and video on the fly, like a VCR, without needing a computer. The active matrix LCD is very good, and the general look and feel is excellent. With 20 gig of storage, it holds quite a bit. Full motion video is quite good- audio is in MP3 format, with selectable bitrate. The total cost with shipping was $300.00 from Amazon- but look at the "other new and used" department for the best price. The seller of mine was "Nicotico". It's main competitor is the Archos AV320, but at about 150 bucks more. Neat toy! CC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Sat Jul 10 10:45:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99056 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2004 17:45:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2004 17:45:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2004 17:45:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2004 17:45:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:45:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c46687$ad8af640$fab20642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 635 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: off topic- RCA Lyra video jukebox X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 I've been looking for something to record long amounts of uncompressed digital audio, mainly to aircheck stations (AMS as well)...For now, I use DAT, and digitally transfer that to CD in real time....Was looking at moving over to the the iRiver IHP series, because that does .wav audio (and you can upload to PC at faster than real time), but was informed that for .wav, at least, there is a 75minute maximum...If anyone knows of any digital audio recording means that allows for uncompressed audio, large amounts of time/storage, and an easy means of transferring to computer (and hence burning to CD), please share. --tony From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 10 16:08:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70390 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2004 23:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2004 23:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2004 23:08:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2004 23:08:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 23:08:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1311 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.8 Subject: Re: off topic- RCA Lyra video jukebox X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I've been looking for something to record long amounts of > uncompressed digital audio, mainly to aircheck stations (AMS as > well)...For now, I use DAT, and digitally transfer that to CD in > real time....Was looking at moving over to the the iRiver IHP > series, because that does .wav audio (and you can upload to PC at > faster than real time), but was informed that for .wav, at least, > there is a 75minute maximum...If anyone knows of any digital audio > recording means that allows for uncompressed audio, large amounts > of time/storage, and an easy means of transferring to computer (and > hence burning to CD), please share. Places that cater to professional musicians sell "flash recorders"... these record digital audio onto the Compact Flash cards that digital cameras use. Uncompressed CD-quality stereo audio is about 10 MB per minute, so a 512 MB flash card would give you about 50 minutes of recording time, and a 1 GB flash card would give you about 100 minutes (1 hour and 40 minutes). But these things aren't cheap! A nice portable flash recorder by Marantz which can record WAV, MP2, or MP3 audio onto flash cards up to 10 GB in size costs $699 from Broadcast Supply Warehouse. It's the Marantz PMD670 -- maybe you can find a used one on eBay at a more affordable price. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jul 10 20:13:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26842 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2004 03:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2004 03:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 03:13:03 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.102] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 10 Jul 2004 21:13:01 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01c466f5$ca366680$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:18:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2004 03:13:02.0293 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9D7A850:01C466F4] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plymouth voyager 1987 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If Chris is right about their having gone to a 13022 chip, it will be a 28 pin DIP- should be easy to spot, but not being familiar with this radio I can't tell you where inside it is. ----- Original Message ----- From: "christian breton" > I'm not familiar about this, is it easy to find when the radio is open ? > Where is located ? From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jul 10 20:14:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71692 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2004 03:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2004 03:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 03:14:20 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.102] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 10 Jul 2004 21:14:18 -0600 Message-ID: <001501c466f5$f8572d60$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <002801c46680$ca0ccca0$d503fea9@home1> <003801c46683$c71afc80$d503fea9@home1> <000a01c46685$8cb6f2e0$fab20642@4bmx301> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:20:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2004 03:14:19.0679 (UTC) FILETIME=[27F7D2F0:01C466F5] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plymouth voyager 1987 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Didn't they change the position of one of the mounting ears on these newer models? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > Scott is correct- all these radios are physically interchangeable, and the plug in harness is the same. > Incidently, Radiosandmore is selling 50 Chrysler RAZ CD/Cassette radios with am stereo on ebay right now at $125.00 each. A bargain- but they are the newer face with the oval outline face. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 639 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2004 05:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2004 05:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 05:33:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2004 05:33:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 05:33:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c466f5$ca366680$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1338 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 68.137.71.85 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plymouth voyager 1987 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If Chris is right about their having gone to a 13022 chip, it will > be a 28 pin DIP- should be easy to spot, but not being familiar > with this radio I can't tell you where inside it is. There are two variations of the Chrysler AMAX receivers with 5-band graphic equalizer... one is made by Alpine, tunes up to 1710 kHz on AM, has a 6 kHz ceramic filter, and uses a surface-mount Motorola MC13022 chip -- while the other tunes up to 1700 kHz, has a 7.5 kHz ceramic filter, and uses a non-Motorola clone of the MC13022 chip. The former (1710 kHz version) has a slightly narrower bandwidth, but has better sensitivity and selectivity and will decode AM Stereo even from moderately weak "DX" signals... while the latter (1700 kHz version) has better treble response, but overall the reception isn't quite as good, and weak or unstable AM Stereo signals will blend to mono more often. I have one of each, and the 1710 kHz version has blue display lighting, while the 1700 kHz version has orange display lighting... but I don't know if this distinction applies to all of these radios. But anyway, Chris's point is correct... if the radio in question tunes up to 1700 or 1710 kHz, then it is definitely not the vehicle's original radio from 1987; all Chrysler car radios made until 1993 only tuned up to 1610 kHz on AM. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 10 22:45:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96727 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2004 05:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2004 05:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 05:45:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2004 05:45:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 05:45:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 312 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.19 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plymouth voyager 1987 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > ceramic filter, and uses a non-Motorola clone of the MC13022 chip. I was unaware that anyone else made "clones", if you will, of Motorola's C-QUAM chip designs. I do know that Motorola did make custom OEM chips. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jul 11 00:20:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32807 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2004 07:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2004 07:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 07:20:52 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.202]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 03:23:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c46717$746373c0$cab30642@4bmx301> To: References: <002801c46680$ca0ccca0$d503fea9@home1> <003801c46683$c71afc80$d503fea9@home1> <000a01c46685$8cb6f2e0$fab20642@4bmx301> <001501c466f5$f8572d60$d503fea9@home1> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 03:19:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plymouth voyager 1987 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some yes, some no- That radio I gave you used the most common mounting ears- That one had the "de-featured" MC13022, and that one came stock in my 1996 Dakota pickup. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 11:20 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plymouth voyager 1987 Didn't they change the position of one of the mounting ears on these newer models? ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jul 11 00:25:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54013 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2004 07:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2004 07:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 07:25:09 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.202]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 03:28:47 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c46718$2af82cc0$cab30642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 03:24:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plymouth voyager 1987 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No one made the chips other than Motorola- (until ON semi's took over about 2 years ago)They just labeled them with the buyer's private numbers. Ford did this, too. BTW- a nifty radio, IF you can find one, is a 1993-1994 Ford Ranger pickup radio, with the CD (no cassette) They are single DIN sized, and have am stereo, and the best part is they have the amp inside- they are not the JBL type or premium sound, which require a separate amp. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 1:45 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plymouth voyager 1987 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > ceramic filter, and uses a non-Motorola clone of the MC13022 chip. I was unaware that anyone else made "clones", if you will, of Motorola's C-QUAM chip designs. I do know that Motorola did make custom OEM chips. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jul 11 02:58:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8002 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2004 09:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2004 09:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 09:58:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2004 09:58:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:58:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c46718$2af82cc0$cab30642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 278 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.19 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plymouth voyager 1987 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > No one made the chips other than Motorola- (until ON semi's took over about 2 years ago)They just labeled them with the buyer's private numbers That's what I thought- OEMing the chips. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jul 11 03:00:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20589 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2004 10:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2004 10:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 10:00:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2004 10:00:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 10:00:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 103 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.19 Subject: The FCC asks for comment.....on the state of radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I think this article from Yahoo! Newes/Reuters says it all! http://tinyurl.com/yvbf5 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jul 11 06:23:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40847 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2004 13:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2004 13:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 13:23:06 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.215]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:26:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c4674a$2cbad8a0$d7b50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:22:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: new SR430 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While at a hamfest today, I picked up a brand new, never opened Spark-O-Matic SR430 with factory am stereo (5 band GEQ, Cassette, red LED readout, orange lighting) - it is still in the factory outer cardboard. The radio has never been out of the original cellophane, and the harness is still packed in the original taped bag. I will offer it to the list first, before it goes on ebay tomorrow. Remember this is a 1985 radio- it tunes to 1620, and only 10khz stepping. Private email me your reasonable offer (no less than $50.00) Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Jul 11 10:34:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67848 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2004 17:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2004 17:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 17:34:15 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id r.1f1.24f70584 (4539) for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1f1.24f70584.2e22d411@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:34:09 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5032 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.3 From: Bossmsx@aol.com Subject: "SRF-50": The SRF-A100 mystery X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't want to 'let the cat out of the bag' until now, because I think someone that was on this list was bidding on it, and I didn't want to hurt his chances......Now bidding is over, so I'm going to speak on the subject. I noticed something that I don't think anyone has noticed yet on a Sony SRF-A100, that was up for bidding on eBay.... This particular model, on the bottom, had the label that has the FCC ID number, and the "A-KAHN/B-MOTOROLA" ripped off.....look at the picture for yourself at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=932&item=2255337961&rd= 1&ssPageName=WDVW If you notice carefully, you'll see that it uncovers some Japanese lettering (!!!), and also an "SRF-50" connotation. (double--!!!). So I did some googling on "Sony SRF-50", and it didn't really bring up much...Just a Japanese website that lists some Sony models, and says the "SRF-50" was an "MW/FM" model, but it has no picture...Also says the model was released in 1982. My educated guess is the radio (obviously) did not have AM Stereo, as the format was not introduced to Japan until 1992.....But I (at least) feel compelled to bring this up to the discussion table....I feel compelled to do a little more 'digging' on the subject, and I invite some of you to help me get to the bottom of this "SRF-50". -tony s. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 11 11:46:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68014 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2004 18:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2004 18:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 18:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.124.111.20 with login) by smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 18:46:26 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c46776$eb2fd980$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:43:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.187 From: Subject: I found a p15 ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I had found a p15 ant. Its $166.95 us and i do'nt know if it will work with A.L . I find out more i will let every body know. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 11 11:55:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43338 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2004 18:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2004 18:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.185) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 18:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.124.111.20 with login) by smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 18:55:20 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c46778$2a16f2e0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:52:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.185 From: Subject: Fw: I found a p15 ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Cc: jim smith Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: Re: I found a p15 ant Hi Gang Gess what i forgot two do. www.vcomp.co.uk/ Thanks Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:43 AM Subject: I found a p15 ant Hi Gang I had found a p15 ant. Its $166.95 us and i do'nt know if it will work with A.L . I find out more i will let every body know. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jul 11 12:53:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17903 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2004 19:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2004 19:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 19:53:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2004 19:52:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:52:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1f1.24f70584.2e22d411@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 809 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.19 Subject: Re: "SRF-50": The SRF-A100 mystery X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Bossmsx@a... wrote: > My educated guess is the radio (obviously) did not have AM Stereo, as the > format was not introduced to Japan until 1992..... Japan has had AMS since about 1984-1985, but had been experimenting with AMS since the late 1960s. Proposals from Sony, NEC, Matsushita and Sansui proliferated in the '70s and '80s. (Sansui's proposal, a direct variation of the RCA/Belar system, was the last proposed analog system patented in 1987 in the US, 1983 in Japan.) Japan, just as with Australia, South Africa, and several Central/South American countries, jumped to AM stereo fairly early on, but just as with the US and other countries, Japan adopted the C-QUAM standard in 1991- 1993, just like everyone else who still had stereo. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Jul 11 13:23:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27012 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2004 20:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2004 20:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 20:23:24 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.18.75] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:23:23 -0600 Message-ID: <002f01c46785$bba54ba0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <000b01c46778$2a16f2e0$c188fea9@jimsmith> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:29:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2004 20:23:23.0987 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA718A30:01C46784] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: I found a p15 ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It would work with the A-L, but you'd have to put the transmitter right at the base of the antenna since you're coax plus antenna is limited to 3m. Frankly I don't think it's worth the price- they're just going after the gullible or lazy part-15 types. No reason you couldn't do just as good yourself if you're handy at brazing copper water pipe sections you can get at any lumber yard. That "top hat" is way too small to be much good. Save your money. I can tell you how to do part-15 right, be fully legal and get maximum range- but it isn't cheap and that antenna isn't part of it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 1:52 PM Subject: {AMSF} Fw: I found a p15 ant > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net > > > Hi Gang Gess what i forgot two do. www.vcomp.co.uk/ Thanks Jim Smith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net > > > Hi Gang I had found a p15 ant. Its $166.95 us and i do'nt know if it will work with A.L . I find out more i will let every body know. Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 11 14:55:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1455 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2004 21:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2004 21:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 21:55:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2004 21:55:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:55:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002f01c46785$bba54ba0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1575 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 69.104.34.212 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: I found a p15 ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > It would work with the A-L, but you'd have to put the transmitter right at > the base of the antenna since you're coax plus antenna is limited to 3m. > Frankly I don't think it's worth the price- they're just going after the > gullible or lazy part-15 types. No reason you couldn't do just as good > yourself if you're handy at brazing copper water pipe sections you can get > at any lumber yard. That "top hat" is way too small to be much good. Save > your money. > > I can tell you how to do part-15 right, be fully legal and get maximum > range- but it isn't cheap and that antenna isn't part of it. > > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "am stereo forum" > Cc: "jim smith" > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 1:52 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Fw: I found a p15 ant > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jimsmith95663@s... > > > > > > > Hi Gang Gess what i forgot two do. www.vcomp.co.uk/ Thanks Jim Smith > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jimsmith95663@s... > > > > > > > Hi Gang I had found a p15 ant. Its $166.95 us and i do'nt know if > it will work with A.L . I find out more i will let every body know. Jim > Smith Hi Scott Tell me how Scott i have lots of copper pipe . If i rub hard on the bottum part of my Sony srf a100 you can feal its uneven like a havy duty stiker. Its a earlyer one than the one on eabay. Thanks Scott Jim Smith From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jul 11 17:57:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29952 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2004 00:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2004 00:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.185) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2004 00:57:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 17:53:29 -0700 Received: from 24.94.101.156 by bay12-dav11.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 00:53:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <000b01c46778$2a16f2e0$c188fea9@jimsmith> <002f01c46785$bba54ba0$d503fea9@home1> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:53:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2004 00:53:29.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5CF8B40:01C467AA] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.185 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.101.156] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: I found a p15 ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott Todd wrote: > I can tell you how to do part-15 right, be fully legal and get maximum range- but it isn't cheap and that antenna isn't part of it. OK Scott. I am always open for ideas and suggestions on how to improve my Part 15 station while remaining safe from the self appointed radio rats here in Florida. It seems that these radio rats have only one goal in life and that is to save places like Tampa Bay from horrible people like L.D. Brewer who do ghastly crimes like broadcast FREE SPEECH over the airwaves on 102.1 FM. with a micropower transmitter. "Nevermind those gangsters killing cops and children for another hit of Crack...Let's nail a microbroadcaster that might take 3 listeners away from Clear Channel!" OK, I am back off of my soapbox. Anyway, if you could post your ideas and plans to the board, I would thank you much. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sun Jul 11 18:54:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9451 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2004 01:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2004 01:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.184) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2004 01:54:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:54:37 -0700 Received: from 69.69.70.127 by bay22-dav4.bay22.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 01:54:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: <000b01c46778$2a16f2e0$c188fea9@jimsmith> <002f01c46785$bba54ba0$d503fea9@home1> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:56:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2004 01:54:37.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FCDA630:01C467B3] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.184 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [69.69.70.127] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: I found a p15 ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hey Scott, I'd be interested in your idea's on how to squeeze every last inch of range out of a part 15 setup legally. maybe you can come up with a how to tutorial and i can add it to http://www.part15.us Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:53 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: I found a p15 ant > Scott Todd wrote: > > I can tell you how to do part-15 right, be fully legal and get maximum range- but it isn't cheap and that antenna isn't part of it. > > OK Scott. I am always open for ideas and suggestions on how to improve my Part 15 station while remaining safe from the self appointed radio rats here in Florida. It seems that these radio rats have only one goal in life and that is to save places like Tampa Bay from horrible people like L.D. Brewer who do ghastly crimes like broadcast FREE SPEECH over the airwaves on 102.1 FM. with a micropower transmitter. > > "Nevermind those gangsters killing cops and children for another hit of Crack...Let's nail a microbroadcaster that might take 3 listeners away from Clear Channel!" > > OK, I am back off of my soapbox. Anyway, if you could post your ideas and plans to the board, I would thank you much. > > Kevin in Tampa > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 00:11:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56973 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2004 07:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2004 07:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2004 07:11:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2004 07:10:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:10:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1f1.24f70584.2e22d411@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 857 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.141 Subject: Re: "SRF-50": The SRF-A100 mystery X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If you notice carefully, you'll see that it uncovers some Japanese > lettering (!!!), and also an "SRF-50" connotation. (double--!!!). I peeled the bottom plate (it's actual a metal plate, not just a label) off of my SRF-A100, and here's what it says: SONY SRF-50 FM/AM 2 BANDS DC: 4.5V === 3 SUM-3 X 3 BATT OR EQUIV. MADE IN JAPAN The rest is a bunch of Japanese writing which I obviously can't translate. My best guess is that the SRF-50 was the Japanese-market radio, likely AM Mono/FM Stereo, upon which the SRF-A100 was based. And rather than make a separate plastic case molding for the SRF-A100, they just took the SRF-50's case bottom and put the metal plate over it. That is a pretty common practice, especially in computers, where the case or circuit board might have a sticker covering up a model number of a previous version. From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Jul 12 03:28:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39387 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2004 10:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2004 10:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2004 10:28:31 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.23.179] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 12 Jul 2004 04:28:26 -0600 Message-ID: <001201c467fb$ca29b640$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <000b01c46778$2a16f2e0$c188fea9@jimsmith> <002f01c46785$bba54ba0$d503fea9@home1> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 05:34:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2004 10:28:27.0528 (UTC) FILETIME=[F81BE880:01C467FA] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: I found a p15 ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I know what you mean- they're really getting to be a bunch of nazis down there. At least Brewer is conscientious enough not to cause any interference. The same can't be said of a lot of the other pirates, especially in Miami, many of whom are X-rated, run shoddy equipment which could potentially interfere with aircraft communications, and actually do interfere with licensed stations. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > OK Scott. I am always open for ideas and suggestions on how to improve my Part 15 station while remaining safe from the self appointed radio rats here in Florida. It seems that these radio rats have only one goal in life and that is to save places like Tampa Bay from horrible people like L.D. Brewer who do ghastly crimes like broadcast FREE SPEECH over the airwaves on 102.1 FM. with a micropower transmitter. > > "Nevermind those gangsters killing cops and children for another hit of Crack...Let's nail a microbroadcaster that might take 3 listeners away from Clear Channel!" From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Jul 12 05:21:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9487 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2004 12:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2004 12:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2004 12:21:36 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.16.153] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 12 Jul 2004 06:21:32 -0600 Message-ID: <001501c4680b$9759f300$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <000b01c46778$2a16f2e0$c188fea9@jimsmith> <002f01c46785$bba54ba0$d503fea9@home1> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:27:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2004 12:21:33.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4F13400:01C4680A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude A thumbnail sketch of what it takes to get good range with part-15: The FCC limits the total length of your antenna, feedline, and ground wire to 3m (~10'). Since 3m is such a small fraction of a wavelength on MW, the more you put into the antenna the better. Eliminate the feedline and the ground wire by putting the transmitter at the antenna and have the transmitter bolted to a grounded object. That qualifies as having met the objective and you can use the full length for the antenna. While on the surface it looks to be a contradiction of the part-15 rules, the following has been judged to be legal- The transmitter can be mounted at the top of a grounded tower or pole. Said tower or pole can even have a full AM-type ground system (you can call it lightning protection). Effectively this creates an offset center-fed vertical radiator, and the higher you can put the transmitter the better. Note, the height here creates a longer, and therefore better, radiator, unlike FM where height is needed to clear obstacles. The previously mentioned part-15 system was used by a California auto dealership as a "talking billboard." A full AM ground system would consist of anything from a 10'x10' to 20'x20' ground screen composed of copper mesh brazed to a square ring of copper tubing at the edges with ground rods at four corners, or if the water table isn't that far down, drill down sink one long copper pipe close to the center, brazing the ground screen to it. From the outside ring you braze up to 120 evenly spaced, 1/4 wavelength or slightly longer radials of copper wire, buried a couple inches down. Scraps of #14 wire would be more than adequate for our purposes. To go around a building, you ring the base of the building with copper strap, braze the radials to where they end on the close side and continue the radials on the far side. That is the *ideal* ground system. For most of us we'll have to settle for much less. Just remember that the ground system needs to have as many radials as possible with a length as long as our property lines allow and don't forget to have a ground rod or two. If you can't have a tower, the ground system is that much more important. Remember- we've only got 100mW to work with here, and antenna efficiency is THE key to how far you'll get with it. In this case you could sink a long copper pipe into the ground, to the first water table if at all possible, braze some radials to it, and mount the transmitter to a stub of the pipe sticking out of the ground. The antenna can be a 10' section of 1/2" copper pipe, available at any lumber yard. Braze a cap on the top to keep water out. While not necessary physically, you can guy the top of the antenna by attaching wires to the top of the pipe. A typical AM guy wire would be insulated from the tower. You will want to actually braze the wires to the top of the antenna, creating a "top-hat" which electrically lengthens it. Have one insulator a few feet off the ground on each wire so you're not shorting the antenna to ground. Some other notes- Do not use regular solder. Use a tin/silver combination such as plumber's solder at a MINIMUM. Mapp gas works better than propane (hotter.) If at all possible, braze with a hard solder with a higher silver content such as Silvalloy or Silfoss. You'll need an acetylene torch if you go that route. Lightning will destroy regular solder. Mount your transmitter in a weatherproof box. A tuning network for matching the transmitter to the antenna will also help, but I don't have the formulas for determining the components. Someone on the Radiotech forum could provide it, though. Field strength limit at 100' from the antenna is determined by the formula 24 divided by the freq. in MHz. If you're at 1000kHz, it would be 24uV/m, and nearly double that at 540. The lower you go the higher your allowed field intensity. The catch is your antenna is that much less efficient at the bottom of the band. The FCC giveth with one hand and taketh away with the other. Note that most of the previous is pretty expensive, but top efficiency and reliability can't be had for nothing. Don't fret if you can't do it all- do as much as your budget allows and you'll have the satisfaction of knowing you're doing your best at the moment. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > I'd be interested in your idea's on how to squeeze every last inch of range > out of a part 15 setup legally. maybe you can come up with a how to tutorial > and i can add it to http://www.part15.us > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 07:51:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41927 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2004 14:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2004 14:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2004 14:51:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20040712145127.67598.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:51:27 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:51:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.145 From: "John P." Subject: The Wrath of Kahn - the war begins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Zowies Batman, did any of you see the July 14th edition of Radio World? Tom Ray ripped Leonard Kahn a new a***ole. - I thought Leonard's CAM-D system went from 8KHz to 15KHz, but Tom says only 10KHz to 15KHz, so something is goofy here on the specs? - Also, the Kahn system doesn't destroy adjacent channels like some iBiquity stations do, and that comment was omitted. - It doesn't address that the analog 'fall-back' signal is half the audio quality of what's available today. - It all goes back to coverage area: do you want a 50KW station that has a 20 mile coverage area or one that covers 10 states? If you only want listeners in your digital "core coverage area" to have you highly compressed digital audio (probably in mono rather than stereo) then iBiquity would be just fine. If you need to cover 200 miles away during a major power outage, then analog suits you better. Summary: AM stations will have to decide which is more important - serving a broad general public, or serving only listeners very close to the transmitter? Perhaps they should be pushing for a new band instead? SUGGESTION: Can Lenny's CAM-D maintain 50Hz-10,200Hz stereo audio, and then use his digital portion for only mono digital audio from 75Hz-5KHz and forget about the high-end audio? You put a switch on the radio: In your office next to the computer - switch it to mono digital 5KHz for Rush Limbaugh; driving out in the country, wide analog stereo? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 15:15:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15052 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2004 22:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2004 22:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2004 22:15:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2004 22:15:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:15:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 253 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.201.101 Subject: New Old Stock Item X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I know nothing about this old Sanyo portable radio, but anytime there's a 27-year-old radio... new in the box... that's kind of cool: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=5708553253&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Any comments on this little guy? From amfmguy@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 15:59:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmguy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46158 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2004 22:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2004 22:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2004 22:59:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2004 22:59:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:59:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 534 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "M S" X-Originating-IP: 207.112.53.6 Subject: Fanfare goes 9KHz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97335768 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy We are very pleased to announce that, due to interest from the UK and Australia, Fanfare has decided to further develop the FTA-100's DSP to provide 9KHz spacing for AM/AM-stereo reception to accommodate those in countries who transmit same. Prior FTA-100 units can be updated by changing the firmware chip. The FTA-100 also includes reference-quality FM-stereo. There is both a domestic and a broadcast version available. For more information, please send Email to "fanfare@blazemail.com" Cheers, Marv www.fanfare.com From amfmguy@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 16:15:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmguy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80231 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2004 23:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2004 23:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2004 23:15:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2004 23:14:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:14:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 649 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "M S" X-Originating-IP: 207.112.53.6 Subject: AM-stereo test gear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97335768 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy At the same time the popularity of AM-stereo receivers began to recede, so did the abundance of test gear show its scarcity. We were fortunate to pick up 2 Sencore SG-80's when we began the FTA-100 design and they are really being "used". I continued the search because reliable backup is always an important thing to have in place. Just recently, when I thought the well had run dry, I found a Panasonic VP-8254 and another Sencore SG-80 .. both in excellent condition and calibrated right on the money. I'd like to thank Kevin T. for his offer to help in dealing with the VP-8254 operations as we'd not had one in the rack before. MS From chris@lledgerock.com Mon Jul 12 17:43:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19333 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 00:43:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2004 00:43:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 00:43:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2004 00:43:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:43:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 83 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Chris" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.161.66 Subject: Sony WM-FX999 on Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 Before I bid, what decoder is used on the WM-FX999 and is the world tuner decent? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 17:58:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23131 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 00:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2004 00:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 00:58:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2004 00:58:22 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34848 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2004 22:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2004 22:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2004 22:20:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2004 22:20:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:20:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c4680b$9759f300$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6678 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Jul 2004 00:58:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 So.... what kind of range would be possible with a proper setup assuming the transmitter is, say, within 500 feet of the mark on the maps below? or which one would be more likely to determine my coverage area - such that on an SRF-42 at the edges or corners of the map, there's still some stereo separation (the stereo circuitry is still engaged) but no tuning LED (the signal is fairly weak)? I do have a limit of about 40 feet N/S by 80 feet E/W for a ground system, if not a little smaller N/S and wider E/W (I haven't measured it, I just eyeballed it and guessed based on how much space is available versus the total space of the property) http://maps.msn.com/(bvgei445sjxl2her1w1pxa55)/map .aspx?ID=27CiJ.&C=32.76215%2c-116.94729&L=USA&A=12 &PN=1093411235&S=800%2c740&P=|32.76215%2c-116.9472 9|1|11625+Fuerte+Dr%2c+El+Cajon%2c+CA+92020|L1|&TI =11625+Fuerte+Dr%2c+El+Cajon%2c+CA+92020 http://maps.msn.com/(bvgei445sjxl2her1w1pxa55)/map .aspx?ID=27CiJ.&C=32.76215%2c-116.94729&L=USA&A=12 &PN=1093411235&S=800%2c740&P=|32.76215%2c-116.9472 9|1|11625+Fuerte+Dr%2c+El+Cajon%2c+CA+92020|L1|&TI =11625+Fuerte+Dr%2c+El+Cajon%2c+CA+92020 http://maps.msn.com/(bvgei445sjxl2her1w1pxa55)/map .aspx?ID=27CiJ.&C=32.76215%2c-116.94729&L=USA&A=12 &PN=1093411235&S=800%2c740&P=|32.76215%2c-116.9472 9|1|11625+Fuerte+Dr%2c+El+Cajon%2c+CA+92020|L1|&TI =11625+Fuerte+Dr%2c+El+Cajon%2c+CA+92020 I'm not sure what ground conductivity is in the area. I should mention that we're on the south facing side of a hill, and there is a small hill to the south of me probably about a mile or less to the south. Actually, though, I would like to, if it's possible to set up a directional system, to aim my signal mostly north and west. Is there any way to do this? P.S. I previewed the post and decided to put space between the links to make them easier to see --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > A thumbnail sketch of what it takes to get good range with part-15: The FCC > limits the total length of your antenna, feedline, and ground wire to 3m > (~10'). Since 3m is such a small fraction of a wavelength on MW, the more > you put into the antenna the better. Eliminate the feedline and the ground > wire by putting the transmitter at the antenna and have the transmitter > bolted to a grounded object. That qualifies as having met the objective and > you can use the full length for the antenna. > > While on the surface it looks to be a contradiction of the part-15 rules, > the following has been judged to be legal- The transmitter can be mounted at > the top of a grounded tower or pole. Said tower or pole can even have a > full AM-type ground system (you can call it lightning protection). > Effectively this creates an offset center-fed vertical radiator, and the > higher you can put the transmitter the better. Note, the height here > creates a longer, and therefore better, radiator, unlike FM where height is > needed to clear obstacles. The previously mentioned part-15 system was used > by a California auto dealership as a "talking billboard." > > A full AM ground system would consist of anything from a 10'x10' to 20'x20' > ground screen composed of copper mesh brazed to a square ring of copper > tubing at the edges with ground rods at four corners, or if the water table > isn't that far down, drill down sink one long copper pipe close to the > center, brazing the ground screen to it. From the outside ring you braze up > to 120 evenly spaced, 1/4 wavelength or slightly longer radials of copper > wire, buried a couple inches down. Scraps of #14 wire would be more than > adequate for our purposes. To go around a building, you ring the base of > the building with copper strap, braze the radials to where they end on the > close side and continue the radials on the far side. That is the *ideal* > ground system. For most of us we'll have to settle for much less. Just > remember that the ground system needs to have as many radials as possible > with a length as long as our property lines allow and don't forget to have a > ground rod or two. > > If you can't have a tower, the ground system is that much more important. > Remember- we've only got 100mW to work with here, and antenna efficiency is > THE key to how far you'll get with it. In this case you could sink a long > copper pipe into the ground, to the first water table if at all possible, > braze some radials to it, and mount the transmitter to a stub of the pipe > sticking out of the ground. The antenna can be a 10' section of 1/2" copper > pipe, available at any lumber yard. Braze a cap on the top to keep water > out. While not necessary physically, you can guy the top of the antenna by > attaching wires to the top of the pipe. A typical AM guy wire would be > insulated from the tower. You will want to actually braze the wires to the > top of the antenna, creating a "top-hat" which electrically lengthens it. > Have one insulator a few feet off the ground on each wire so you're not > shorting the antenna to ground. > > Some other notes- Do not use regular solder. Use a tin/silver combination > such as plumber's solder at a MINIMUM. Mapp gas works better than propane > (hotter.) If at all possible, braze with a hard solder with a higher silver > content such as Silvalloy or Silfoss. You'll need an acetylene torch if you > go that route. Lightning will destroy regular solder. Mount your > transmitter in a weatherproof box. A tuning network for matching the > transmitter to the antenna will also help, but I don't have the formulas for > determining the components. Someone on the Radiotech forum could provide > it, though. Field strength limit at 100' from the antenna is determined by > the formula 24 divided by the freq. in MHz. If you're at 1000kHz, it would > be 24uV/m, and nearly double that at 540. The lower you go the higher your > allowed field intensity. The catch is your antenna is that much less > efficient at the bottom of the band. The FCC giveth with one hand and > taketh away with the other. > > Note that most of the previous is pretty expensive, but top efficiency and > reliability can't be had for nothing. Don't fret if you can't do it all- do > as much as your budget allows and you'll have the satisfaction of knowing > you're doing your best at the moment. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > > > I'd be interested in your idea's on how to squeeze every last inch of > range > > out of a part 15 setup legally. maybe you can come up with a how to > tutorial > > and i can add it to http://www.part15.us > > > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Jul 12 18:06:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58219 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 01:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2004 01:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.176) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 01:06:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:06:10 -0700 Received: from 24.94.101.156 by bay12-dav2.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:06:10 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:06:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2004 01:06:10.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[95BDE910:01C46875] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.176 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.101.156] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pianoplayer88key wrote: > P.S. I previewed the post and decided to put space between the links to make them easier to see ..and Yahoo still screwed 'em up. Try these: > http://maps.msn.com/(bvgei445sjxl2her1w1pxa55)/map.aspx?ID=27CiJ.&C=32.76215%2c-116.94729&L=USA&A=12&PN=1093411235&S=800%2c740&P=|3276215%2c-116.94729|1|11625+Fuerte+Dr%2c+El+Cajon%2c+CA+92020|L1|&TI=11625+Fuerte+Dr%2c+El+Cajon%2c+CA+92020 > > http://maps.msn.com/(bvgei445sjxl2her1w1pxa55)/map.aspx?ID=27CiJ.&C=32.76215%2c-116.94729&L=USA&A=12&PN=1093411235&S=800%2c740&P=|3276215%2c-116.94729|1|11625+Fuerte+Dr%2c+El+Cajon%2c+CA+92020|L1|&TI=11625+Fuerte+Dr%2c+El+Cajon%2c+CA+92020 > > http://maps.msn.com/(bvgei445sjxl2her1w1pxa55)/map.aspx?ID=27CiJ.&C=32.76215%2c-116.94729&L=USA&A=12&PN=1093411235&S=800%2c740&P=|3276215%2c-116.94729|1|11625+Fuerte+Dr%2c+El+Cajon%2c+CA+92020|L1|&TI=11625+Fuerte+Dr%2c+El+Cajon%2c+CA+92020 Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 18:52:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23390 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 01:52:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2004 01:52:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 01:52:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2004 01:52:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:52:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 52 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.25 Subject: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Mmmmm, http://tinyurl.com/ .... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 21:45:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32025 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 04:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2004 04:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 04:45:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2004 04:43:53 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55376 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 03:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2004 03:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 03:40:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2004 03:38:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 03:38:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 338 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Jul 2004 04:43:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > Mmmmm, http://tinyurl.com/ .... :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ http://tinyurl.com/692fw hmmm... it's not changing the link for the different zoom levels... ok, zoom out a notch or two to see what coverage area (assuming non-directional) I'd like to have if possible. From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jul 13 00:43:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53854 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 07:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2004 07:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 07:43:34 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.84]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 03:46:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c468ac$f5decee0$54b30642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 03:42:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony WM-FX999 on Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The TA8124 - There is no AMS indicator on this one. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:43 PM Subject: {AMSF} Sony WM-FX999 on Ebay Before I bid, what decoder is used on the WM-FX999 and is the world tuner decent? 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Jul 13 07:42:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82874 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 14:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2004 14:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 14:41:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2004 14:38:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:38:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 347 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.253.7 Subject: Stereo check: WWBF/Bartow, Fla. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 There was a report that WWBF/1130 in Bartow (Lakeland/Winter Haven), Florida was reduced to pilot only of late...What do y'all over by that way in Florida know of the situation?? Is that so, or is WWBF still Stereo with full separation?? Last time I emailed WWBF they told me their Stereo exciter was about ready to 'cave in'. --tony s/miami From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jul 13 08:34:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66921 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 15:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2004 15:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 15:34:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2004 15:33:55 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24369 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 07:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2004 07:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 07:42:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2004 07:42:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:42:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 671 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Jul 2004 15:33:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > Mmmmm, http://tinyurl.com/ .... :) > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > http://tinyurl.com/692fw > > hmmm... it's not changing the link for the different zoom levels... > ok, zoom out a notch or two to see what coverage area (assuming > non-directional) I'd like to have if possible. too bad I couldn't have a city-grade (or 25mV/m whichever is higher) groundwave coverage at, say, 520 AM, like http://tinyurl.com/5ep6e or a skywave 10mV/m 75%_of_the_time coverage area of http://tinyurl.com/425mv :( :( :( From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Jul 13 11:11:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85447 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 18:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2004 18:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 18:11:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:11:00 -0700 Received: from 216.78.98.103 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:11:00 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:11:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2004 18:11:00.0989 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0DFBAD0:01C46904] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.28 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [216.78.98.103] Subject: I am back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I do not what happened, but for about 3 weeks, I received no e-mail from this forum. Now it seems to be working ok again. Only time will tell. Thanks, MTGC (MIchael) From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Jul 13 11:58:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40008 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 18:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2004 18:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 18:58:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2004 18:56:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:56:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1815 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "paul_m_crane" X-Originating-IP: 64.233.76.90 Subject: Re: Plymouth voyager 1987 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Christian - If you're still looking for a car radio with AM stereo, there's one on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=7910768420&category=38641 The seller claims this is an AM stereo unit, however, normally GM stereos have a button to turn AM stereo off/on. I can't read all the buttons to verify this; maybe someone on this list can confirm. Since the CD doesn't work, you may be able to get a decent price on this. Paul Crane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "christian breton" wrote: > > > Hello ! > > > I have a car radio from a plymouth voyager 1987 (cassette unit and bass > treble) and i install this unit in my hobby room last night. > I had two surprise, the extended band is open up to 1700, and secondly and > unfortunetely I DO NOT HAVE AM STEREO !! I check 1680 wttm and no "st" > signal on the radio. I have a sony 2010, sony srf a-100 (lucky me) and a > sony srf-42, sony wm-f49. > > Maybe the signal wasn't strong enough, i have done a band scan no stereo > signal, condition last night was not that great. > > I live in canada in the province of quebec, there's only am station (chrc > 800) they were never in stereo. > > So is it possible to convert my car radio to am stereo instead of returning > the radio to the auto parts( he will not take it back) or I'll have to find > a dodge shadow 1988, when i had that car i was able to pick up am stereo > signal. I will lose the extended band but i don't care no am stereo signal ( > i have the extended band in my car) > > > > thanks for the answer from a sad radio freak... > > Christian > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! > http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Jul 13 12:44:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13733 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 19:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2004 19:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 19:44:05 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.195] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:44:02 -0600 Message-ID: <004301c46912$946e4940$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:49:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2004 19:44:03.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0621370:01C46911] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude 100mW is 100mW and there are FCC limits on field strength, so don't expect miracles. To cover that whole map you'd need several watts and/or a much longer antenna. The FCC will be far less likely to bust you for fudging on the AM band than on FM, FWIW. The other option is to put up multiple transmitters, preferably on staggered frequencies. Note that your limit is 5 homebrew transmitters. Your signal strength will be best in the directions where your radials are the longest, so you'll already have a somewhat directional E-W pattern to begin with. The usual directional antenna is out of the question, what with the 3m antenna+feedline limit alone. Phasing equipment for regular directionals is designed by big bucks professional engineers. If you want a northwesterly pattern, best is to put the antenna and transmitter on the SE part of the lot. Otherwise locate it close to the center and set up your transmitter with as close to my recommendations as your budget and materials permit. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > So.... what kind of range would be possible with a proper setup > assuming the transmitter is, say, within 500 feet of the mark on the > maps below? or which one would be more likely to determine my > coverage area - such that on an SRF-42 at the edges or corners of the > map, there's still some stereo separation (the stereo circuitry is > still engaged) but no tuning LED (the signal is fairly weak)? I do > have a limit of about 40 feet N/S by 80 feet E/W for a ground system, > if not a little smaller N/S and wider E/W (I haven't measured it, I > just eyeballed it and guessed based on how much space is available > versus the total space of the property) > > Actually, though, I would like to, if it's possible to set up > a directional system, to aim my signal mostly north and west. Is > there any way to do this? From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Jul 13 12:45:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9999 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 19:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2004 19:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 19:45:22 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.195] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:45:19 -0600 Message-ID: <004b01c46912$c2199200$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:51:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2004 19:45:20.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDFA4960:01C46911] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I am back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It's been moderately active. Had the same problem a couple months ago- turned out to be my ISP. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" > I do not what happened, but for about 3 weeks, I received no e-mail from > this forum. Now it seems to be working ok again. Only time will tell. From chris@lledgerock.com Tue Jul 13 13:59:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71642 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 20:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2004 20:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 20:59:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2004 20:57:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:57:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001a01c468ac$f5decee0$54b30642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 229 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Chris" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.161.66 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony WM-FX999 on Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > The TA8124 - There is no AMS indicator on this one. > cc That's no biggie, none of my radios have ST indicators anymore. Including my D-F200 cd walkman! From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Tue Jul 13 15:43:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87133 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 22:43:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2004 22:43:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.184) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 22:43:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:43:35 -0700 Received: from 69.69.70.127 by bay22-dav4.bay22.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:43:35 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: <004301c46912$946e4940$d503fea9@home1> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:45:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2004 22:43:35.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5257040:01C4692A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.184 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [69.69.70.127] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd The am band has two limitations. p15.209 which limits f/s and p15.219 which limits Antenna and power. these two are exclusive of each other. you go by 15.209 or 219. 209 is for carrier current or campus free radiating systems. use part 219 for intentional radiators off of a campus. the way rangemasters work is they optimise the ouput to a short whip using a tapped toroid core coil and capacitive network. they also ground the board inside to the case as lightning protection. side benefit is what ever pole it is mounted on becomes a bottom half of a dipole. You have to ground your transmitter. The FCC now says so and the NEC says so and ussually local building codes say so. This is how wsjl has their setup. They have been investigated by one of the toughest feild offices(and most p15 unfriendly) in the nation and passed. Use a LPB, a Hamilton and have no problems. but like scott says it is expensive. a good audio processor is a must also. Those are my theories to range. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial > 100mW is 100mW and there are FCC limits on field strength, so don't expect > miracles. To cover that whole map you'd need several watts and/or a much > longer antenna. The FCC will be far less likely to bust you for fudging on > the AM band than on FM, FWIW. The other option is to put up multiple > transmitters, preferably on staggered frequencies. Note that your limit is > 5 homebrew transmitters. > > Your signal strength will be best in the directions where your radials are > the longest, so you'll already have a somewhat directional E-W pattern to > begin with. The usual directional antenna is out of the question, what with > the 3m antenna+feedline limit alone. Phasing equipment for regular > directionals is designed by big bucks professional engineers. If you want > a northwesterly pattern, best is to put the antenna and transmitter on the > SE part of the lot. Otherwise locate it close to the center and set up your > transmitter with as close to my recommendations as your budget and materials > permit. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > > > So.... what kind of range would be possible with a proper setup > > assuming the transmitter is, say, within 500 feet of the mark on the > > maps below? or which one would be more likely to determine my > > coverage area - such that on an SRF-42 at the edges or corners of the > > map, there's still some stereo separation (the stereo circuitry is > > still engaged) but no tuning LED (the signal is fairly weak)? I do > > have a limit of about 40 feet N/S by 80 feet E/W for a ground system, > > if not a little smaller N/S and wider E/W (I haven't measured it, I > > just eyeballed it and guessed based on how much space is available > > versus the total space of the property) > > > > > Actually, though, I would like to, if it's possible to set up > > a directional system, to aim my signal mostly north and west. Is > > there any way to do this? > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From chris@lledgerock.com Tue Jul 13 18:02:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82419 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 01:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 01:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 01:02:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2004 00:55:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:55:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 353 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Chris" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.161.66 Subject: Sony WM-FX890/290 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 If I don't win this auction, does the WM-FX890/290 have a decoder? It says "Worldwide Digital AM/FM Stereo Tuner" but the brief description says FM/AM Stereo. The FX-290 says "Digital Synthesized FM/AM Stereo tuner" The 890 had better, with the listed price on sonystyle.com They both come up when you search for AM Stereo on the sonystyle page From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 13 18:13:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96723 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 01:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 01:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 01:13:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2004 01:13:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:12:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 654 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.79 Subject: Re: Sony WM-FX890/290 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > If I don't win this auction, does the WM-FX890/290 have a decoder? It > says "Worldwide Digital AM/FM Stereo Tuner" but the brief description > says FM/AM Stereo. The FX-290 says "Digital Synthesized FM/AM Stereo > tuner" > > The 890 had better, with the listed price on sonystyle.com They both > come up when you search for AM Stereo on the sonystyle page When it's an AM stereo radio, usually they would say "FM stereo/AM stereo". Otherwise, they usually mark all others as "FM/AM stereo" for some reason, which adds to the confusion. Gotta love Sony! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From chris@lledgerock.com Tue Jul 13 18:23:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51012 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 01:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 01:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 01:23:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2004 01:23:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:23:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 90 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Chris" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.161.66 Subject: Re: Sony WM-FX890/290 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 doesn't the "world tuner" signify am stereo with the 76-108 and 523-1710 9/10kHz tuning? From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 13 19:35:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96423 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 02:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 02:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 02:35:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2004 02:30:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:30:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 325 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.79 Subject: Re: Sony WM-FX890/290 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > doesn't the "world tuner" signify am stereo with the 76-108 and > 523-1710 9/10kHz tuning? Nope. Just means it can handle the Japanese and international FM band ranges, as well as AM, as it's received in the US (to 1710) and worldwide. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From chris@lledgerock.com Tue Jul 13 19:43:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96622 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 02:43:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 02:43:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 02:43:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2004 02:37:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:37:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 100 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Chris" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.161.66 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony WM-FX999 on Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 Hehehee I just won it for $49 That's a great bargain, since I found these to retail at 32,000 yen! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 13 21:01:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43126 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 04:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 04:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 04:01:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2004 04:00:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:00:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004301c46912$946e4940$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2050 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.3 Subject: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 100mW is 100mW and there are FCC limits on field strength, so don't > expect miracles. Isn't it either/or? As I recall, Part 15 lets you use 100 mW into a 3-meter antenna -- with no field strength restriction -- OR, for carrer-current operation, you can use any power level you want, as long as the measured field strength does not exceed a certain value. There is also a loophole for Part 15 stations on school campuses (campi?), either "free-radiate" or carrier-current, which can use any kind of antenna, power level, or field strength within the campus, just so long as the signal does not exceed a certain field strength outside the school's property. (This is all just from memory, so correct me if I'm wrong.) > The FCC will be far less likely to bust you for fudging on the AM > band than on FM, FWIW. There is a simple 'unwritten rule': don't make a nuisance out of yourself, and you most likely won't get into trouble. I.e., transmit a spectrally clean signal, with properly modulated audio, on a clear frequency that isn't interferening with the usable coverage area of any licensed station, and don't broadcast obscene or otherwise offensive programming. Those are the factors that the FCC cares about. Also, don't advertise your "station", don't give out your phone number and take listener requests, don't do live remotes at public events, and don't broadcast paid commercials for local businesses.... because those kinds of things will make licensed stations jealous and most likely to inform the FCC about your operationg (EVEN IF it is a legal Part 15 operation -- they still won't like it!). FWIW, there is one high-power FM pirate in my area -- they must be using at least 50 to 100 watts -- and they have been on the air since at least 1996 without being "busted"... how? Because they only transmit for a few hours each week, at most... it is a very sporadic operation. And all they do is play country music with no liners or IDs -- a format that no other station in this area has anymore. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jul 13 23:45:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10142 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 06:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 06:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 06:45:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2004 06:45:12 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39586 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 06:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 06:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 06:42:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2004 06:41:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:41:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4259 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Jul 2004 06:45:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 looks like I'll have to wait a while to get a station set up. I plan on asking for no money to get the station running, and I would like to break even at least. For my budget right now, if the rangemaster's price would have its decimal point move 8 places to the left I might be able to afford it (but htat will never happen). As for audio quality, are we part 15'ers limited to 10khz or can we do whatever we want as long as we don't interfere with licensed stations or go outside the band? btw we have a new local licensed station on 1700 so that frequency is out. :( From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 13 23:58:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8516 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 06:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 06:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 06:58:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2004 06:57:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:57:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1050 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.3 Subject: Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As for audio quality, are we part 15'ers limited to 10khz or can we > do whatever we want as long as we don't interfere with licensed > stations or go outside the band? There is no limit to the audio bandwidth of a Part-15 AM signal, just as long as your signal is contained somewhere within the range of 510 to 1705 kHz. This means a few things that many Part-15 operators (and even some Part-15 transmitter manufacturers) don't seem to be aware of: * It is NOT legal to transmit a 100 mW Part-15 signal on 1710 kHz, even though many AM receivers can tune in this frequency. The band limits for 100 mW Part-15 use are strictly 510 to 1705 kHz. * A Part-15 signal on 1700 kHz must have its audio bandwidth restricted to 5 kHz or less, so that the upper sideband of the transmitted signal does not extend above the band limit of 1705 kHz. * A Part-15 signal on 520 kHz must have its audio bandwidth restricted to 10 kHz or less, so that the lower sideband of the transmitted signal does not extend below the band limit of 510 kHz. From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jul 14 00:28:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57583 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 07:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 07:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 07:28:33 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.233]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:32:19 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c46974$23671ee0$e9b10642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:28:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony WM-FX890/290 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not any more, if it ever did- that monicker only means it will tune stations in the proper stepping world-wide. Sony only makes ONE am stereo radio walkman today- The SRFAX15, and one table radio, the A300. There are no more digital tuned Sony products made anymore that have am stereo. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:23 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony WM-FX890/290 doesn't the "world tuner" signify am stereo with the 76-108 and 523-1710 9/10kHz tuning? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 06:13:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 308 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 13:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 13:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 13:13:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2004 13:10:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:10:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 126 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 209.179.168.34 Subject: Dymek Photos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I added a scan of the AM-5 tuner and the DA-5 antenna to the photos section. Click the picture to make it full-sized. Tom From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 06:54:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23097 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 13:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 13:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 13:54:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2004 13:53:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:53:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 93 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: Dymek Photos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Has anyone here converted a Dymek tuner or receiver to AM Stereo? If so, how'd it sound??? From jon@noring.name Wed Jul 14 08:09:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@noring.name X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89431 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 15:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 15:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.netbeam.net) (66.17.239.3) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 15:09:52 -0000 Received: from blueberry ([206.71.90.185]) by mail.netbeam.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-49601U5000L500S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:11:13 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:09:38 -0600 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <2236707125.20040714090938@noring.name> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.17.239.3 From: Jon Noring Reply-To: Jon Noring Subject: New Group Announcement: 'HiFi-AM', High Fidelity AM tuners and hobbyist transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123249569 X-Yahoo-Profile: jon_noring I've created a discussion group (mailing list) to discuss high fidelity AM tuners (mono, stereo and yes, even digital) and hobbyist transmitters, which some of you in this group may be interested in subscribing. Appended below is the more detailed group description. To subscribe to this group, either: 1) Visit the group home page (at Yahoo) and subscribe there (you will need a YahooID): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hifi-am/ 2) Or, if you don't have a YahooID, send a blank email to: hifi-am-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Looking forward to seeing you there! Jon Noring ********************************************************************** Group Description for HiFi-AM: ============================== The purpose of HiFi-AM is to explore the possibilities of high fidelity AM receivers and hobbyist transmitters for medium-wave (or better known as the broadcast band, appr. 520 to 1720 khz.) Although most commercial AM broadcasts are definitely not high fidelity (due to various factors including, in many countries, audio bandwidth restrictions), there are nevertheless a few commercial stations which broadcast with audio quality approaching high fidelity. For example, in Australia, because the number of stations is fewer and the country quite large, many stations broadcast with quite wide audio bandwidth, approaching 15 khz. In addition, there is steady growth in interest (in the U.S.) for non-licensed hobbyist broadcasting in the BCB (per FCC "Part 15"), which is restricted to 100 milliwatts and a three meter antenna (among a few other minor restrictions). With a high efficiency antenna, it is possible for such neighborhood broadcasting to be heard about 1/2 to 1 mile from the transmitter. There are quite a few progressive and alternative stations broadcasting this way. More importantly, it appears there is no specific restriction on audio bandwidth for Part 15 transmissions. Thus, if this is true, the broadcasts can approach high fidelity (15 to 20 khz audio bandwidth.) Although the allowed discussion topics can be quite broad and diverse (so long as they have some relation to high fidelity AM), it is hoped this group will catalyze the development of hobbyist kits for high fidelity AM tuners (digital, solid state, and tube) and for high fidelity low-power (Part 15) AM transmitters. It should be fun to consider the many possibilities. Note: Discussion on HiFi-AM of AM Stereo and Digital Radio (e.g., DRM), is more than welcome. From cbreton27@hotmail.com Wed Jul 14 12:57:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84612 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 19:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 19:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 19:57:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:57:15 -0700 Received: from 69.157.132.190 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:57:15 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:57:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2004 19:57:15.0330 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2B0BA20:01C469DC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.72 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.132.190] Subject: dodge shadow car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi gang ! I have found a car radio from a dodge shadow 1988 but i want to be sure that he has the am stereo, the unit have cassette... i'm not sure about am stereo, the one i had in my car in 1988 was only the radio and i was able to get ams. Christian _________________________________________________________________ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Jul 14 16:24:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62578 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 23:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 23:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 23:24:24 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.20.231] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:24:19 -0600 Message-ID: <002b01c469fa$868637a0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:30:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2004 23:24:20.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0B9B430:01C469F9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} dodge shadow car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If it was made from 85-91 you should be OK. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "christian breton" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:57 PM Subject: {AMSF} dodge shadow car radio > > > Hi gang ! > > > I have found a car radio from a dodge shadow 1988 but i want to be sure that > he has the am stereo, the unit have cassette... i'm not sure about am > stereo, the one i had in my car in 1988 was only the radio and i was able to > get ams. > > > Christian > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! > http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 16:47:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97677 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 23:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 23:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 23:47:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2004 23:46:12 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99470 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 20:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 20:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 20:27:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2004 20:27:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:27:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5240 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Jul 2004 23:46:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 Ok... so.. how would I go about figuring out what would be a good available frequency? for example, using Panasonic Shockwave RQ-SW20 and Select-A-Tenna (orienting for best reception of each station), I get: "+" = stations received strongly (for example lighting tuning indicator on adjacent channel and/or audible on 2nd adjacent without select-a-tenna) "-" = stations not detectable at all without select-a-tenna 520-530: nothing 540: XESURF Tijuana - local "+" 560: KBLU Yuma - weak "-" 570: KLAC Los Angeles - moderate 590: KTIE San Bernardino - weak "-" 600: KOGO San Diego - local full strength "+" 620: XESS Rosarito - fair 640: KFI Los Angeles - moderately strong 660: KGDP Orcutt - weak "-" 670: KIRN Simi Valley - somewhat weak 690: XETRA Rosarito - quite strong "+" 710: KSPN Los Angeles - weak to moderate 730: XEEBC Ensenada - somewhat weak 740: KBRT Avalon - moderate 760: KFMB San Diego - local strong "+" 790: KABC Los Angeles - weak to fair 800: XESPN Tijuana - fairly strong local "+" 820: XEMVS Mexicali - fairly weak "- because of 830's IBOC" 830: KMXE Orange - moderate 850: X???? Mexicali - quite weak "-" 860: XEMO Tijuana - fairly strong "+" 870: KRLA Glendale - somewhat weak 890: TIS from Cabrillo National Monument "-" 910: KECR El Cajon - fairly strong local "+" 920: ???? (either Ensenada or Palm Springs) "-" 930: KHJ Los Angeles - fairly weak 950: XEKAM Rosarito - moderate 970: KNWZ Coachella - weak 980: KFWB Los Angeles - weak 990: X??? Mexicali - weak (also KTMS Santa Barbara underneath it) 1000: KCEO Vista - moderate 1020: KTNQ Los Angeles - weak 1030: XEDD Rosarito - somewhat weak 1040: KURS San Diego - fairly strong "+" 1050: XED Mexicali - somewhat weak 1070: KNX Los Angeles - moderate 1090: XEPRS Rosarito - somewhat strong 1110: KDIS Pasadena - fairly weak "-" (I wish I could put a "+" by this signal...) 1130: KSDO San Diego - very strong local "+" 1170: KCBQ San Diego - fairly strong local "+" 1190: KXMX Anaheim - fairly weak 1210: KPRZ San Marcos - moderately strong "+" 1240: KSON San Diego - fairly strong "+" 1250: K??? Santa Barbara - quite weak 1270: XEAZ Tijuana - fairly strong "+" 1280: KFRN Long Beach - somewhat weak 1290: KZBN Santa Barbara - quite weak 1300: KROP Brawley - quite weak "-" 1310: XEC Tijuana - fairly strong 1320: KKSM Oceanside - quite weak 1330: KWKW Los Angeles - quite weak "-" 1340: K??? Santa Barbara - very weak "-" 1350: KTDD San Bernardino - very weak "-" 1360: KPOP San Diego - quite strong local "+" 1390: XEKT Tecate - moderate 1420: XEXX Tijuana - moderately strong 1430: KWST El Centro - somewhat weak "-" 1450: KFSD Escondido - slightly toward weak 1470: XERCN Tijuana - fairly strong local "+" 1490: KICO Calexico or ???? Santa Barbara - quite weak "-" 1500: blank-carrier TIS from Qualcomm Stadium - fairly weak 1510: KSPA Ontario - fairly weak "-" 1520: KVTA Port Hueneme - fairly weak 1540: KMPC Los Angeles - very weak "-" 1550: XEBG Tijuana - moderate 1580: KBLA Santa Monica - fairly weak 1590: K??? Ventura - very weak "-" 1600: KMNY Pomona - fairly weak "-" 1630: XEUT Tijuana - fairly strong local "+" 1650: KFOX Torrance - fairly weak "-" 1660: S.D. Conv. Ctr. TIS - very weak "-" 1670: KHPY Moreno Valley - fairly weak "-" 1690: S.D. Airport TIS - very weak "-" 1700: XEKTT Tecate - moderately strong local "+" 1710: although my Panasonic will tune here (and my SRF-42 up to 1750) I can't go here. :( So... based on that list of stations, where would you recommend I try planting myself? To what extent do I need to take into account nighttime skywave service of out-of-area stations? I do intend on protecting, to the best I can and still be able to get on the air sometime, the 50kW clears that I can. Would 1680, for example, be ok, even though KAVT Fresno (Radio Disney, which is also available on 1580, 1290, and 1110) comes in somewhat weak at night? Do I understand I don't need to be nearly as concerned with protecting skywave service as I would be with protecting groundwave service? Also is it any different for TIS's versus class C's versus others? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > As for audio quality, are we part 15'ers limited to 10khz or can we > > do whatever we want as long as we don't interfere with licensed > > stations or go outside the band? > > There is no limit to the audio bandwidth of a Part-15 AM signal, just > as long as your signal is contained somewhere within the range of 510 > to 1705 kHz. This means a few things that many Part-15 operators > (and even some Part-15 transmitter manufacturers) don't seem to be > aware of: > > * It is NOT legal to transmit a 100 mW Part-15 signal on 1710 kHz, > even though many AM receivers can tune in this frequency. The band > limits for 100 mW Part-15 use are strictly 510 to 1705 kHz. > > * A Part-15 signal on 1700 kHz must have its audio bandwidth > restricted to 5 kHz or less, so that the upper sideband of the > transmitted signal does not extend above the band limit of 1705 kHz. > > * A Part-15 signal on 520 kHz must have its audio bandwidth > restricted to 10 kHz or less, so that the lower sideband of the > transmitted signal does not extend below the band limit of 510 kHz. From zebra@strangeanimals.net Thu Jul 15 05:20:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89839 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2004 12:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2004 12:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2004 12:20:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2004 12:20:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:20:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 44 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "amradiozebra" X-Originating-IP: 67.164.23.118 Subject: frequency choices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra 1530 or 1610 look like your best bets to me From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 15 06:59:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39381 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2004 13:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2004 13:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2004 13:59:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20040715135857.86393.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:58:57 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:58:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.143 From: "John P." Subject: re: dodge shadow car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Christian B: I think the first numbers of the part number have to be 446 or something like that. Can somebody correct me on that one? -OR- If the Chrysler has a 5 Band EQ and/or a "Joystick" speaker control, you're in good shape for built-in AM Stereo. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Jul 15 14:10:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17120 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2004 21:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2004 21:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2004 21:10:07 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.90] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:09:43 -0600 Message-ID: <000b01c46ab0$e4986f00$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:15:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2004 21:09:44.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D83DB30:01C46AB0] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Looks like you could do 890 without too much problem, so would 580 if the splatter from 570 isn't too much. If you can't hear a station without help from the SAT, that freq. should work for your station provided there's not a lot of splatter from adjacents. You might even be able to squeeze onto 1150. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial > Ok... so.. how would I go about figuring out what would be a good > available frequency? > for example, using Panasonic Shockwave RQ-SW20 and Select-A-Tenna > (orienting for best reception of each station), I get: > "+" = stations received strongly (for example lighting tuning > indicator on adjacent channel and/or audible on 2nd adjacent without > select-a-tenna) > "-" = stations not detectable at all without select-a-tenna > > 520-530: nothing > 540: XESURF Tijuana - local "+" > 560: KBLU Yuma - weak "-" > 570: KLAC Los Angeles - moderate > 590: KTIE San Bernardino - weak "-" > 600: KOGO San Diego - local full strength "+" > 620: XESS Rosarito - fair > 640: KFI Los Angeles - moderately strong > 660: KGDP Orcutt - weak "-" > 670: KIRN Simi Valley - somewhat weak > 690: XETRA Rosarito - quite strong "+" > 710: KSPN Los Angeles - weak to moderate > 730: XEEBC Ensenada - somewhat weak > 740: KBRT Avalon - moderate > 760: KFMB San Diego - local strong "+" > 790: KABC Los Angeles - weak to fair > 800: XESPN Tijuana - fairly strong local "+" > 820: XEMVS Mexicali - fairly weak "- because of 830's IBOC" > 830: KMXE Orange - moderate > 850: X???? Mexicali - quite weak "-" > 860: XEMO Tijuana - fairly strong "+" > 870: KRLA Glendale - somewhat weak > 890: TIS from Cabrillo National Monument "-" > 910: KECR El Cajon - fairly strong local "+" > 920: ???? (either Ensenada or Palm Springs) "-" > 930: KHJ Los Angeles - fairly weak > 950: XEKAM Rosarito - moderate > 970: KNWZ Coachella - weak > 980: KFWB Los Angeles - weak > 990: X??? Mexicali - weak (also KTMS Santa Barbara underneath it) > 1000: KCEO Vista - moderate > 1020: KTNQ Los Angeles - weak > 1030: XEDD Rosarito - somewhat weak > 1040: KURS San Diego - fairly strong "+" > 1050: XED Mexicali - somewhat weak > 1070: KNX Los Angeles - moderate > 1090: XEPRS Rosarito - somewhat strong > 1110: KDIS Pasadena - fairly weak "-" (I wish I could put a "+" by > this signal...) > 1130: KSDO San Diego - very strong local "+" > 1170: KCBQ San Diego - fairly strong local "+" > 1190: KXMX Anaheim - fairly weak > 1210: KPRZ San Marcos - moderately strong "+" > 1240: KSON San Diego - fairly strong "+" > 1250: K??? Santa Barbara - quite weak > 1270: XEAZ Tijuana - fairly strong "+" > 1280: KFRN Long Beach - somewhat weak > 1290: KZBN Santa Barbara - quite weak > 1300: KROP Brawley - quite weak "-" > 1310: XEC Tijuana - fairly strong > 1320: KKSM Oceanside - quite weak > 1330: KWKW Los Angeles - quite weak "-" > 1340: K??? Santa Barbara - very weak "-" > 1350: KTDD San Bernardino - very weak "-" > 1360: KPOP San Diego - quite strong local "+" > 1390: XEKT Tecate - moderate > 1420: XEXX Tijuana - moderately strong > 1430: KWST El Centro - somewhat weak "-" > 1450: KFSD Escondido - slightly toward weak > 1470: XERCN Tijuana - fairly strong local "+" > 1490: KICO Calexico or ???? Santa Barbara - quite weak "-" > 1500: blank-carrier TIS from Qualcomm Stadium - fairly weak > 1510: KSPA Ontario - fairly weak "-" > 1520: KVTA Port Hueneme - fairly weak > 1540: KMPC Los Angeles - very weak "-" > 1550: XEBG Tijuana - moderate > 1580: KBLA Santa Monica - fairly weak > 1590: K??? Ventura - very weak "-" > 1600: KMNY Pomona - fairly weak "-" > 1630: XEUT Tijuana - fairly strong local "+" > 1650: KFOX Torrance - fairly weak "-" > 1660: S.D. Conv. Ctr. TIS - very weak "-" > 1670: KHPY Moreno Valley - fairly weak "-" > 1690: S.D. Airport TIS - very weak "-" > 1700: XEKTT Tecate - moderately strong local "+" > 1710: although my Panasonic will tune here (and my SRF-42 up to 1750) > I can't go here. :( > > So... based on that list of stations, where would you recommend I try > planting myself? To what extent do I need to take into account > nighttime skywave service of out-of-area stations? I do intend on > protecting, to the best I can and still be able to get on the air > sometime, the 50kW clears that I can. Would 1680, for example, be ok, > even though KAVT Fresno (Radio Disney, which is also available on > 1580, 1290, and 1110) comes in somewhat weak at night? Do I > understand I don't need to be nearly as concerned with protecting > skywave service as I would be with protecting groundwave service? > Also is it any different for TIS's versus class C's versus others? > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > As for audio quality, are we part 15'ers limited to 10khz or can we > > > do whatever we want as long as we don't interfere with licensed > > > stations or go outside the band? > > > > There is no limit to the audio bandwidth of a Part-15 AM signal, just > > as long as your signal is contained somewhere within the range of 510 > > to 1705 kHz. This means a few things that many Part-15 operators > > (and even some Part-15 transmitter manufacturers) don't seem to be > > aware of: > > > > * It is NOT legal to transmit a 100 mW Part-15 signal on 1710 kHz, > > even though many AM receivers can tune in this frequency. The band > > limits for 100 mW Part-15 use are strictly 510 to 1705 kHz. > > > > * A Part-15 signal on 1700 kHz must have its audio bandwidth > > restricted to 5 kHz or less, so that the upper sideband of the > > transmitted signal does not extend above the band limit of 1705 kHz. > > > > * A Part-15 signal on 520 kHz must have its audio bandwidth > > restricted to 10 kHz or less, so that the lower sideband of the > > transmitted signal does not extend below the band limit of 510 kHz. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 15 15:41:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87762 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2004 22:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2004 22:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2004 22:41:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2004 22:41:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:41:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040715135857.86393.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1080 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.133 Subject: Re: dodge shadow car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Christian B: I think the first numbers of the part number have to > be 446 or something like that. Can somebody correct me on that > one? Actually I was the one who suggested that to Alex K, way back in 1998. I've never been able to prove it one way or the other, but he's had it on his site since then. So there may be 446-series Chrysler radios without AM Stereo, and surely there are Chrysler radios with AM Stereo whose part numbers do not begin with 446. > -OR- > If the Chrysler has a 5 Band EQ and/or a "Joystick" speaker > control, you're in good shape for built-in AM Stereo. These are probably the best bet -- I don't think I've heard of any exceptions to the rule that if a full-size Chrysler radio has a 5-band graphic equalizer and a speaker joystick, then it has AM Stereo. Most of these radios are also labelled as "Infinity" or "Infinity Gold", but not all are. But for more recent radios, Chrysler seems to be pretty good at mentioning AM Stereo in the radio's spec sheet, most often as something like "10 AM Stereo and 10 FM Stereo presets". From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Jul 15 15:41:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46909 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2004 22:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2004 22:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2004 22:41:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2004 22:35:40 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74853 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2004 15:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2004 15:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2004 15:42:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2004 15:36:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:36:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 382 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: frequency choices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Jul 2004 22:35:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amradiozebra" wrote: > 1530 or 1610 look like your best bets to me Probably would be most likely 1610. If I remember correctly though there may be some DX TIS on 1610, but I'm not sure if I can even hear it from here in the daytime, and KFBK from Sacramento comes in quite strong (almost a local-grade signal) at night on 1530. From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Jul 15 16:50:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34050 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2004 23:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2004 23:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2004 23:50:54 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.16.125] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:50:52 -0600 Message-ID: <002501c46ac7$67fbae00$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:56:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2004 23:50:53.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[9091CE40:01C46AC6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: frequency choices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude A friend of mine tried using 1610 in western KS and got clobbered nightly by 1620 from Omaha NE. Finding a freq. that will work day and night is a challenge, and may not even be possible in congested areas such as yours. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amradiozebra" wrote: > > 1530 or 1610 look like your best bets to me > > Probably would be most likely 1610. If I remember correctly though > there may be some DX TIS on 1610, but I'm not sure if I can even hear > it from here in the daytime, and KFBK from Sacramento comes in quite > strong (almost a local-grade signal) at night on 1530. From 100kw@psmith.us Fri Jul 16 00:15:56 2004 Return-Path: <100kw@psmith.us> X-Sender: 100kw@psmith.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32496 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2004 07:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2004 07:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2004 07:15:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2004 07:15:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:15:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 692 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: 100kw@psmith.us X-Originating-IP: 67.163.72.36 Subject: Re: dodge shadow car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188651084 X-Yahoo-Profile: philjsmith67 > > -OR- > > If the Chrysler has a 5 Band EQ and/or a "Joystick" speaker > > control, you're in good shape for built-in AM Stereo. > > These are probably the best bet -- I don't think I've heard of any > exceptions to the rule that if a full-size Chrysler radio has a > 5-band graphic equalizer and a speaker joystick, then it has > AM Stereo. Most of these radios are also labelled as "Infinity" or > "Infinity Gold", but not all are. My old '88 Sundance had the FM/AM Stereo radio with cassette and the joystick control. It made no mention of Infinity, and said CHRYSLER on the front with the pentastar logo. Nice radio! Internally configurable for 10kHz or 9kHz spacing, too. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Jul 16 01:45:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24247 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2004 08:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2004 08:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2004 08:45:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2004 08:44:49 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58785 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2004 07:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2004 07:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2004 07:11:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2004 07:11:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:11:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c46ac7$67fbae00$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1096 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: Re: frequency choices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Jul 2004 08:44:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 I would be willing to take a little bit of nighttime interference, but would prefer to cause as little daytime interference as possible. I suppose I could be more liberal versus TIS's or class C's (1230, 1240, 1340, 1400, 1450, 1490) or directional stations with nulls in my direction. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > A friend of mine tried using 1610 in western KS and got clobbered nightly by > 1620 from Omaha NE. Finding a freq. that will work day and night is a > challenge, and may not even be possible in congested areas such as yours. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amradiozebra" wrote: > > > 1530 or 1610 look like your best bets to me > > > > Probably would be most likely 1610. If I remember correctly though > > there may be some DX TIS on 1610, but I'm not sure if I can even hear > > it from here in the daytime, and KFBK from Sacramento comes in quite > > strong (almost a local-grade signal) at night on 1530. From dav259@csiro.au Fri Jul 16 21:59:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47056 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2004 04:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2004 04:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail3.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.14) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2004 04:59:30 -0000 Received: from csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 8465254016 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:59:27 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D0B5400E for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:59:27 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6H4xQqr008092 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:59:27 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:59:26 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.14 From: Ian Davidson Subject: IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 I've been a member of AMS lists now for four years. As an Aussie it was wonderful to find so many people who enjoyed my secret passion. AMS is the cat's pajamas! We must care for it and promote it any way we can. That's probably why I put IBOC in the subject field. Think about it ... Davo from Downunder more later ... From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Jul 16 23:54:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12173 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2004 06:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2004 06:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2004 06:54:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2004 06:54:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 06:54:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 372 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 68.161.31.169 Subject: CRL AM STEREO PROCESSOR FOR SALE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio I am going to offer this to the group this weekend. After that it's on Ebay Found in a back room at a radio station throwing out stuff is one CRL AM Stereo processor. It's the older SMP-900 but it has the updated board for NRSC. I had it running on the air and it sounds good, right now it is strapped discreet. $300 takes it. email me wirelessmedia@liradio.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Jul 17 13:44:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12093 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2004 20:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2004 20:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2004 20:44:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2004 20:44:06 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55886 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2004 07:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2004 07:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2004 07:17:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2004 07:17:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:17:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c46ab0$e4986f00$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 7089 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 Subject: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Jul 2004 20:44:05 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 What's the typical range of a well-equipped Part 15 setup? I seem to have heard estimates of around a half mile to a mile, or is it more like 1.5 on a good day? Also, what signal quality is that at the edges of the quoted coverage area that people refer to? Is that to where you're just starting to have a weak enough signal in a cheap unsensitive radio using only the built-in antenna so that there is maybe a little bit of atmospheric noise about 80db below the main audio, or is that to where even with a Select-A-Tenna and an SRF-42 you're intermittenly tripping and not tripping the stereo decode circuitry? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Looks like you could do 890 without too much problem, so would 580 if the > splatter from 570 isn't too much. If you can't hear a station without help > from the SAT, that freq. should work for your station provided there's not a > lot of splatter from adjacents. You might even be able to squeeze onto > 1150. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:27 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial > > > > Ok... so.. how would I go about figuring out what would be a good > > available frequency? > > for example, using Panasonic Shockwave RQ-SW20 and Select-A-Tenna > > (orienting for best reception of each station), I get: > > "+" = stations received strongly (for example lighting tuning > > indicator on adjacent channel and/or audible on 2nd adjacent without > > select-a-tenna) > > "-" = stations not detectable at all without select-a-tenna > > > > 520-530: nothing > > 540: XESURF Tijuana - local "+" > > 560: KBLU Yuma - weak "-" > > 570: KLAC Los Angeles - moderate > > 590: KTIE San Bernardino - weak "-" > > 600: KOGO San Diego - local full strength "+" > > 620: XESS Rosarito - fair > > 640: KFI Los Angeles - moderately strong > > 660: KGDP Orcutt - weak "-" > > 670: KIRN Simi Valley - somewhat weak > > 690: XETRA Rosarito - quite strong "+" > > 710: KSPN Los Angeles - weak to moderate > > 730: XEEBC Ensenada - somewhat weak > > 740: KBRT Avalon - moderate > > 760: KFMB San Diego - local strong "+" > > 790: KABC Los Angeles - weak to fair > > 800: XESPN Tijuana - fairly strong local "+" > > 820: XEMVS Mexicali - fairly weak "- because of 830's IBOC" > > 830: KMXE Orange - moderate > > 850: X???? Mexicali - quite weak "-" > > 860: XEMO Tijuana - fairly strong "+" > > 870: KRLA Glendale - somewhat weak > > 890: TIS from Cabrillo National Monument "-" > > 910: KECR El Cajon - fairly strong local "+" > > 920: ???? (either Ensenada or Palm Springs) "-" > > 930: KHJ Los Angeles - fairly weak > > 950: XEKAM Rosarito - moderate > > 970: KNWZ Coachella - weak > > 980: KFWB Los Angeles - weak > > 990: X??? Mexicali - weak (also KTMS Santa Barbara underneath it) > > 1000: KCEO Vista - moderate > > 1020: KTNQ Los Angeles - weak > > 1030: XEDD Rosarito - somewhat weak > > 1040: KURS San Diego - fairly strong "+" > > 1050: XED Mexicali - somewhat weak > > 1070: KNX Los Angeles - moderate > > 1090: XEPRS Rosarito - somewhat strong > > 1110: KDIS Pasadena - fairly weak "-" (I wish I could put a "+" by > > this signal...) > > 1130: KSDO San Diego - very strong local "+" > > 1170: KCBQ San Diego - fairly strong local "+" > > 1190: KXMX Anaheim - fairly weak > > 1210: KPRZ San Marcos - moderately strong "+" > > 1240: KSON San Diego - fairly strong "+" > > 1250: K??? Santa Barbara - quite weak > > 1270: XEAZ Tijuana - fairly strong "+" > > 1280: KFRN Long Beach - somewhat weak > > 1290: KZBN Santa Barbara - quite weak > > 1300: KROP Brawley - quite weak "-" > > 1310: XEC Tijuana - fairly strong > > 1320: KKSM Oceanside - quite weak > > 1330: KWKW Los Angeles - quite weak "-" > > 1340: K??? Santa Barbara - very weak "-" > > 1350: KTDD San Bernardino - very weak "-" > > 1360: KPOP San Diego - quite strong local "+" > > 1390: XEKT Tecate - moderate > > 1420: XEXX Tijuana - moderately strong > > 1430: KWST El Centro - somewhat weak "-" > > 1450: KFSD Escondido - slightly toward weak > > 1470: XERCN Tijuana - fairly strong local "+" > > 1490: KICO Calexico or ???? Santa Barbara - quite weak "-" > > 1500: blank-carrier TIS from Qualcomm Stadium - fairly weak > > 1510: KSPA Ontario - fairly weak "-" > > 1520: KVTA Port Hueneme - fairly weak > > 1540: KMPC Los Angeles - very weak "-" > > 1550: XEBG Tijuana - moderate > > 1580: KBLA Santa Monica - fairly weak > > 1590: K??? Ventura - very weak "-" > > 1600: KMNY Pomona - fairly weak "-" > > 1630: XEUT Tijuana - fairly strong local "+" > > 1650: KFOX Torrance - fairly weak "-" > > 1660: S.D. Conv. Ctr. TIS - very weak "-" > > 1670: KHPY Moreno Valley - fairly weak "-" > > 1690: S.D. Airport TIS - very weak "-" > > 1700: XEKTT Tecate - moderately strong local "+" > > 1710: although my Panasonic will tune here (and my SRF-42 up to 1750) > > I can't go here. :( > > > > So... based on that list of stations, where would you recommend I try > > planting myself? To what extent do I need to take into account > > nighttime skywave service of out-of-area stations? I do intend on > > protecting, to the best I can and still be able to get on the air > > sometime, the 50kW clears that I can. Would 1680, for example, be ok, > > even though KAVT Fresno (Radio Disney, which is also available on > > 1580, 1290, and 1110) comes in somewhat weak at night? Do I > > understand I don't need to be nearly as concerned with protecting > > skywave service as I would be with protecting groundwave service? > > Also is it any different for TIS's versus class C's versus others? > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > > As for audio quality, are we part 15'ers limited to 10khz or can we > > > > do whatever we want as long as we don't interfere with licensed > > > > stations or go outside the band? > > > > > > There is no limit to the audio bandwidth of a Part-15 AM signal, just > > > as long as your signal is contained somewhere within the range of 510 > > > to 1705 kHz. This means a few things that many Part-15 operators > > > (and even some Part-15 transmitter manufacturers) don't seem to be > > > aware of: > > > > > > * It is NOT legal to transmit a 100 mW Part-15 signal on 1710 kHz, > > > even though many AM receivers can tune in this frequency. The band > > > limits for 100 mW Part-15 use are strictly 510 to 1705 kHz. > > > > > > * A Part-15 signal on 1700 kHz must have its audio bandwidth > > > restricted to 5 kHz or less, so that the upper sideband of the > > > transmitted signal does not extend above the band limit of 1705 kHz. > > > > > > * A Part-15 signal on 520 kHz must have its audio bandwidth > > > restricted to 10 kHz or less, so that the lower sideband of the > > > transmitted signal does not extend below the band limit of 510 kHz. > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sat Jul 17 13:57:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9465 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2004 20:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2004 20:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.185) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2004 20:57:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:57:15 -0700 Received: from 69.69.70.127 by bay22-dav5.bay22.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:57:14 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:57:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2004 20:57:15.0166 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3995BE0:01C46C40] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.185 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [69.69.70.127] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd WSJL AM in Southern NJ gets 6mi fringe 2mi Good signal. FM anything more than a city block on a car radio and your illegal. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" To: Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 3:17 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial > What's the typical range of a well-equipped Part 15 setup? I seem to > have heard estimates of around a half mile to a mile, or is it more > like 1.5 on a good day? Also, what signal quality is that at the > edges of the quoted coverage area that people refer to? Is that to > where you're just starting to have a weak enough signal in a cheap > unsensitive radio using only the built-in antenna so that there is > maybe a little bit of atmospheric noise about 80db below the main > audio, or is that to where even with a Select-A-Tenna and an SRF-42 > you're intermittenly tripping and not tripping the stereo decode > circuitry? > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Looks like you could do 890 without too much problem, so would 580 > if the > > splatter from 570 isn't too much. If you can't hear a station > without help > > from the SAT, that freq. should work for your station provided > there's not a > > lot of splatter from adjacents. You might even be able to squeeze onto > > 1150. > > > > Scott Todd > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:27 PM > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial > > > > > > > Ok... so.. how would I go about figuring out what would be a good > > > available frequency? > > > for example, using Panasonic Shockwave RQ-SW20 and Select-A-Tenna > > > (orienting for best reception of each station), I get: > > > "+" = stations received strongly (for example lighting tuning > > > indicator on adjacent channel and/or audible on 2nd adjacent without > > > select-a-tenna) > > > "-" = stations not detectable at all without select-a-tenna > > > > > > 520-530: nothing > > > 540: XESURF Tijuana - local "+" > > > 560: KBLU Yuma - weak "-" > > > 570: KLAC Los Angeles - moderate > > > 590: KTIE San Bernardino - weak "-" > > > 600: KOGO San Diego - local full strength "+" > > > 620: XESS Rosarito - fair > > > 640: KFI Los Angeles - moderately strong > > > 660: KGDP Orcutt - weak "-" > > > 670: KIRN Simi Valley - somewhat weak > > > 690: XETRA Rosarito - quite strong "+" > > > 710: KSPN Los Angeles - weak to moderate > > > 730: XEEBC Ensenada - somewhat weak > > > 740: KBRT Avalon - moderate > > > 760: KFMB San Diego - local strong "+" > > > 790: KABC Los Angeles - weak to fair > > > 800: XESPN Tijuana - fairly strong local "+" > > > 820: XEMVS Mexicali - fairly weak "- because of 830's IBOC" > > > 830: KMXE Orange - moderate > > > 850: X???? Mexicali - quite weak "-" > > > 860: XEMO Tijuana - fairly strong "+" > > > 870: KRLA Glendale - somewhat weak > > > 890: TIS from Cabrillo National Monument "-" > > > 910: KECR El Cajon - fairly strong local "+" > > > 920: ???? (either Ensenada or Palm Springs) "-" > > > 930: KHJ Los Angeles - fairly weak > > > 950: XEKAM Rosarito - moderate > > > 970: KNWZ Coachella - weak > > > 980: KFWB Los Angeles - weak > > > 990: X??? Mexicali - weak (also KTMS Santa Barbara underneath it) > > > 1000: KCEO Vista - moderate > > > 1020: KTNQ Los Angeles - weak > > > 1030: XEDD Rosarito - somewhat weak > > > 1040: KURS San Diego - fairly strong "+" > > > 1050: XED Mexicali - somewhat weak > > > 1070: KNX Los Angeles - moderate > > > 1090: XEPRS Rosarito - somewhat strong > > > 1110: KDIS Pasadena - fairly weak "-" (I wish I could put a "+" by > > > this signal...) > > > 1130: KSDO San Diego - very strong local "+" > > > 1170: KCBQ San Diego - fairly strong local "+" > > > 1190: KXMX Anaheim - fairly weak > > > 1210: KPRZ San Marcos - moderately strong "+" > > > 1240: KSON San Diego - fairly strong "+" > > > 1250: K??? Santa Barbara - quite weak > > > 1270: XEAZ Tijuana - fairly strong "+" > > > 1280: KFRN Long Beach - somewhat weak > > > 1290: KZBN Santa Barbara - quite weak > > > 1300: KROP Brawley - quite weak "-" > > > 1310: XEC Tijuana - fairly strong > > > 1320: KKSM Oceanside - quite weak > > > 1330: KWKW Los Angeles - quite weak "-" > > > 1340: K??? Santa Barbara - very weak "-" > > > 1350: KTDD San Bernardino - very weak "-" > > > 1360: KPOP San Diego - quite strong local "+" > > > 1390: XEKT Tecate - moderate > > > 1420: XEXX Tijuana - moderately strong > > > 1430: KWST El Centro - somewhat weak "-" > > > 1450: KFSD Escondido - slightly toward weak > > > 1470: XERCN Tijuana - fairly strong local "+" > > > 1490: KICO Calexico or ???? Santa Barbara - quite weak "-" > > > 1500: blank-carrier TIS from Qualcomm Stadium - fairly weak > > > 1510: KSPA Ontario - fairly weak "-" > > > 1520: KVTA Port Hueneme - fairly weak > > > 1540: KMPC Los Angeles - very weak "-" > > > 1550: XEBG Tijuana - moderate > > > 1580: KBLA Santa Monica - fairly weak > > > 1590: K??? Ventura - very weak "-" > > > 1600: KMNY Pomona - fairly weak "-" > > > 1630: XEUT Tijuana - fairly strong local "+" > > > 1650: KFOX Torrance - fairly weak "-" > > > 1660: S.D. Conv. Ctr. TIS - very weak "-" > > > 1670: KHPY Moreno Valley - fairly weak "-" > > > 1690: S.D. Airport TIS - very weak "-" > > > 1700: XEKTT Tecate - moderately strong local "+" > > > 1710: although my Panasonic will tune here (and my SRF-42 up to 1750) > > > I can't go here. :( > > > > > > So... based on that list of stations, where would you recommend I try > > > planting myself? To what extent do I need to take into account > > > nighttime skywave service of out-of-area stations? I do intend on > > > protecting, to the best I can and still be able to get on the air > > > sometime, the 50kW clears that I can. Would 1680, for example, be ok, > > > even though KAVT Fresno (Radio Disney, which is also available on > > > 1580, 1290, and 1110) comes in somewhat weak at night? Do I > > > understand I don't need to be nearly as concerned with protecting > > > skywave service as I would be with protecting groundwave service? > > > Also is it any different for TIS's versus class C's versus others? > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > > > As for audio quality, are we part 15'ers limited to 10khz or > can we > > > > > do whatever we want as long as we don't interfere with licensed > > > > > stations or go outside the band? > > > > > > > > There is no limit to the audio bandwidth of a Part-15 AM signal, > just > > > > as long as your signal is contained somewhere within the range > of 510 > > > > to 1705 kHz. This means a few things that many Part-15 operators > > > > (and even some Part-15 transmitter manufacturers) don't seem to be > > > > aware of: > > > > > > > > * It is NOT legal to transmit a 100 mW Part-15 signal on 1710 kHz, > > > > even though many AM receivers can tune in this frequency. The band > > > > limits for 100 mW Part-15 use are strictly 510 to 1705 kHz. > > > > > > > > * A Part-15 signal on 1700 kHz must have its audio bandwidth > > > > restricted to 5 kHz or less, so that the upper sideband of the > > > > transmitted signal does not extend above the band limit of 1705 kHz. > > > > > > > > * A Part-15 signal on 520 kHz must have its audio bandwidth > > > > restricted to 10 kHz or less, so that the lower sideband of the > > > > transmitted signal does not extend below the band limit of 510 kHz. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jul 17 14:49:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81796 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2004 21:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2004 21:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2004 21:49:32 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.106] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:49:30 -0600 Message-ID: <001501c46c48$cabdd4a0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:55:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2004 21:49:31.0026 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0B79F20:01C46C47] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Depends a lot upon ground conductivity. I suspect it would be at least fair in your part of the country and those figures would be close to correct for good radios, though a cheap clock radio might not get it after a couple blocks. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > WSJL AM in Southern NJ gets 6mi fringe 2mi Good signal. FM anything more > than a city block on a car radio and your illegal. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > What's the typical range of a well-equipped Part 15 setup? I seem to > > have heard estimates of around a half mile to a mile, or is it more > > like 1.5 on a good day? Also, what signal quality is that at the > > edges of the quoted coverage area that people refer to? From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jul 17 15:03:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55981 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2004 22:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2004 22:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2004 22:03:23 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.106] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:03:22 -0600 Message-ID: <001901c46c4a$baa0da20$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:09:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2004 22:03:22.0932 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0926740:01C46C49] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Right now part-15 stations would seem to be the only way. In the upcoming year I'll have enough money to finally finish that full Alfredo transmitter, complete with rackmount case. Right now the board is assembled, but i need connectors and power supply components. I hope to be able to tap the signal just before the final on-board AM modulator, add a circuit to amplify that, send it to an external modulator of full part-15 output and if it doesn't require too much work, I may not even keep it but send it to a friend of mine who wants to start a station of his own (and this guy is serious!), and who wants to be stereo. Finding time is getting to be the killer, and with my recent knee surgery I avoid going up and down stairs if at all possible. My workshop is in the basement so that only puts me further behind. Plus there's still that Moto gear I have yet to fully check and get working with the LPB. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" > AMS is the cat's pajamas! > > > We must care for it and promote it any way we can. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Jul 17 15:27:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69559 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2004 22:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2004 22:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2004 22:27:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:27:17 -0700 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:27:17 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:27:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2004 22:27:17.0757 (UTC) FILETIME=[37CB52D0:01C46C4D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.29 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Since the subject is IBOC, I'll ask if the Kenwood (or any brand IBOC receivers) are available anywhere yet. WUSF, Tampa was the first public radio station to go IBOC and have been boasting/bragging lately about it and the fact that their listeners can now listen to them in digital in near cd-like quality...... of course they don't mention where one could purchase an IBOC receiver and after a trip to both Circuit City and Best Buy last month, I didn't see any IBOC receivers and the one clerk I asked didn't have a clue. Does anyone on the list have a clue? Donn St Petersburg From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 17 15:28:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45800 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2004 22:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2004 22:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2004 22:28:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2004 22:28:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:28:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c46c48$cabdd4a0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 643 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.129 Subject: Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Depends a lot upon ground conductivity. I suspect it would be at > least fair in your part of the country and those figures would be > close to correct for good radios, though a cheap clock radio might > not get it after a couple blocks. And at least in my area, ground conductivity (and therefore AM reception) seems to improve drastically when the ground is rain- soaked or covered with snow. I actually didn't figure this out until a few years ago, as to why my AM reception (and even FM reception, to a certain degree) seemed to vary so much, until I realized it was always better during or immediately after a rain or snowstorm. From jon@noring.name Sat Jul 17 15:33:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@noring.name X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32502 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2004 22:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2004 22:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.netbeam.net) (66.17.239.3) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2004 22:33:54 -0000 Received: from blueberry ([206.71.90.185]) by mail.netbeam.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-49601U5000L500S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:35:26 -0600 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:33:52 -0600 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <39322550484.20040717163352@noring.name> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.17.239.3 From: Jon Noring Reply-To: Jon Noring Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123249569 X-Yahoo-Profile: jon_noring Kevin T. wrote: > someone else wrote (lost attribution): >> Depends a lot upon ground conductivity. I suspect it would be at >> least fair in your part of the country and those figures would be >> close to correct for good radios, though a cheap clock radio might >> not get it after a couple blocks. > And at least in my area, ground conductivity (and therefore AM > reception) seems to improve drastically when the ground is rain- > soaked or covered with snow. I actually didn't figure this out > until a few years ago, as to why my AM reception (and even FM > reception, to a certain degree) seemed to vary so much, until I > realized it was always better during or immediately after a rain > or snowstorm. I live in the Salt Lake Valley, so I assume the ground conductivity is not very good here in the summer, although it is an urban area with the typical landscaped yards. Besides moisture, what other factors contribute to ground conductivity? The whole Salt Lake Valley is clay/gravel left by the old Lake Bonneville. Jon From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 17 17:44:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3661 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2004 00:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2004 00:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2004 00:44:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2004 00:44:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:44:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39322550484.20040717163352@noring.name> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 420 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.13 Subject: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I live in the Salt Lake Valley, so I assume the ground conductivity > is not very good here in the summer, although it is an urban area > with the typical landscaped yards. Besides moisture, what other > factors contribute to ground conductivity? The whole Salt Lake > Valley is clay/gravel left by the old Lake Bonneville. Here is a nationwide ground conductivity map from the FCC: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/m3/ From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jul 18 01:03:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56955 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2004 08:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2004 08:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2004 08:03:19 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.57]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:06:52 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c46c9d$9ac3b940$39b10642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:02:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes- The latest Crutchfield catalog has them- the decoder alone is $399 from Kenwood- and you also have to buy a matching radio to hook it up to. There is one Panasonic model with HD built in for $1000.00..... Can't you see the lines forming now to buy one??? CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Donn Tillman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 6:27 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC Since the subject is IBOC, I'll ask if the Kenwood (or any brand IBOC receivers) are available anywhere yet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Jul 18 03:02:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22656 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2004 10:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2004 10:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2004 10:02:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20040718100227.69699.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 03:02:27 PDT Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 03:02:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1090143916.1024.28283.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.37 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1262 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here in N.Z we can run .5 watt LPFM here and can get it 20 or more miles if on a hill but we dont have AM as such and hardly anyone knows about it past 1602kHz. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: There are 9 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: part-15 tutorial . FM anything more than a city block on a car radio and your illegal. === message truncated === Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jul 18 08:23:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97741 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2004 15:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2004 15:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2004 15:23:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20040718152314.43961.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.126] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:23:14 PDT Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:23:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.112 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > Here is a nationwide ground conductivity map from > the FCC: > http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/m3/ Keep in mind these figures are VERY overly optimistic. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 18 12:48:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24578 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2004 19:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2004 19:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2004 19:48:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2004 19:48:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:47:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040718100227.69699.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 700 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.142 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1262 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Here in N.Z we can run .5 watt LPFM here and can get it 20 or more > miles if on a hill We have that here in the USA, too... but only if you broadcast Spanish-language religious programming. :-) Seriously... there were several unlicensed Spanish Christian stations on the air for years in my area... they finally were shut down a few months ago, but I'm sure they'll pop up again -- usually at the band edges, such as 87.5, 87.9, or 107.9 MHz. For a while they also had a surprisingly good signal on 1620 kHz AM, as well; I hear they connected the transmitter to one tower of a local 1590 kHz AM station that has been off the air since 1997 (but whose three towers are still standing). From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Jul 18 15:22:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59037 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2004 22:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2004 22:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2004 22:22:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2004 22:22:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:22:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040718100227.69699.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 419 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.9.58 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1262 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > > Here in N.Z we can run .5 watt LPFM here and can get it 20 or more miles if on a hill but we dont have AM as such and hardly anyone knows about it past 1602kHz. There a a fair number of LPAM stations here in the UK running just 1W also acc to someone 'in the know' they are allowed to use AM Stereo But does anyone do so ? LOL! From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Jul 18 19:46:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9079 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2004 02:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2004 02:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2004 02:46:04 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.14] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:46:02 -0600 Message-ID: <003601c46d3a$ab0cf3a0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <39322550484.20040717163352@noring.name> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:46:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2004 02:46:03.0215 (UTC) FILETIME=[8819F5F0:01C46D3A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Generally agricultural lands are high ground conductivity, whereas areas with a lot of rock close to the surface, such as New Hampshire and Georgia near Atlanta are really low. Minerals can have an effect too. Areas with high iron ore concentrations are poor too; rust doesn't conduct electricity. If your area ever got enough rain to wet down all that salt, you'd see a dramatic increase in signal levels. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Noring" > I live in the Salt Lake Valley, so I assume the ground conductivity is > not very good here in the summer, although it is an urban area with > the typical landscaped yards. Besides moisture, what other factors > contribute to ground conductivity? The whole Salt Lake Valley is > clay/gravel left by the old Lake Bonneville. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Jul 18 19:50:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18885 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2004 02:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2004 02:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2004 02:50:03 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.14] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:50:01 -0600 Message-ID: <004601c46d3b$396d9f00$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:50:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2004 02:50:01.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[1664F670:01C46D3B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1262 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude At least one chap in Ireland is doing it- I think it was Andy Linton. Don't know if he's still on any of these groups. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" > There a a fair number of LPAM stations here in the UK running just 1W > also acc to someone 'in the know' they are allowed to use AM Stereo > > But does anyone do so ? LOL! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 19 00:55:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4016 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2004 07:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2004 07:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2004 07:55:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2004 07:55:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:55:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003601c46d3a$ab0cf3a0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1143 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.19 Subject: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Generally agricultural lands are high ground conductivity, whereas > areas with a lot of rock close to the surface, such as New > Hampshire and Georgia near Atlanta are really low. Long Island, too. The island is basically solid rock, so even mammoth 50 kW signals from NYC stop dead in their tracks once they reach LI. Meanwhile, the few LI-based AM stations have horrible coverage over land (which is probably why most of them have either gone dark or switched to all-syndicated formats), but yet their signals can be heard all over the Northeast coast via the excellent conductivity of saltwater. For example, tiny < 1 kW Long Island AM stations come in like locals at Atlantic City, NJ, and likewise, tiny Atlatic City AM stations come in like locals on the southern coast of Long Island. But go just a few miles inland, and all this fantastic AM reception quickly disappears. A great example is 1100 WHLI, a 10 kW Long Island daytimer, which has consistently been able to get ratings in three states (NY, NJ, & CT) on the basis of their excellent shoreline coverage: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WHLI_AM_LD.gif From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 19 07:18:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32766 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2004 14:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2004 14:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2004 14:18:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20040719141818.60284.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:18:18 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:18:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.70 From: "John P." Subject: Commercials (on former stereo) Clear Channel stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio - From Todays news, Clear Channel is cutting down on the number of minutes of commercials!: "On country music stations, for example, peak morning broadcasts would be limited to 12 minutes of ad time per hour, and fewer minutes than that during other day-parts, he said. Commercial breaks will be no longer than four minutes, or six ads, on such stations, he said. News, talk and information formats will have a slightly higher threshold than music stations of several more minutes for ad time." - Does that mean that a full 1/4 hour of News/Talk stations are commercials?!!? - Now, if they turn their stereo AM back on, that would be great news! - The, if they'd realize that most of their ads are boring, that they play 10 songs in a row and then 10 commercials in a row, what advertiser wants to be more than 3rd down in the pile? Perhaps ad-free satellite is wearing on them? - They need Stan Freeberg to write some innovative radio ads that you WANT to hear! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From wa2fnq@optonline.net Mon Jul 19 09:37:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47327 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2004 16:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2004 16:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2004 16:36:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2004 16:35:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:35:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: {AMSF} Re: part-15 tutorial X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq This is so true. Being basically all sand Long Island is horrible. The story is when WGSM originally went on the air it was 1 KW directional. They couldn't get out of their own backyard so the FCC let them go 1 KW non-directional. You should try a part 15 AM out here. You could almost do better by shouting at the top of your lungs. After a good, soaking rain the coverage can increase 3 to 4 times. It's amazing. Jerry WA2FNQ 1290 AM Stereo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Long Island, too. The island is basically solid rock, so even > mammoth 50 kW signals from NYC stop dead in their tracks once they > reach LI. Meanwhile, the few LI-based AM stations have horrible > coverage over land (which is probably why most of them have either > gone dark or switched to all-syndicated formats), but yet their > signals can be heard all over the Northeast coast via the excellent > conductivity of saltwater. > > For example, tiny < 1 kW Long Island AM stations come in like locals > at Atlantic City, NJ, and likewise, tiny Atlatic City AM stations > come in like locals on the southern coast of Long Island. But go > just a few miles inland, and all this fantastic AM reception quickly > disappears. > > A great example is 1100 WHLI, a 10 kW Long Island daytimer, which has > consistently been able to get ratings in three states (NY, NJ, & CT) > on the basis of their excellent shoreline coverage: > > http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WHLI_AM_LD.gif From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Mon Jul 19 10:20:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18267 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2004 17:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2004 17:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.163.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2004 17:20:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:18:53 -0700 Received: from 68.76.58.225 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:18:52 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:18:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2004 17:18:53.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[76FED6D0:01C46DB4] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.163.41 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.76.58.225] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Commercials (on former stereo) Clear Channel stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Clear Channel, hmmm... Never could figure them out. Shut down AM stereo and add RDS to FM (in some cases incorrectly!). Here you can find AM stereo receivers without much effort whether it's Ebay, salvage yard, thrift store, etc. Many people have AM stereo and don't know it becase they don't listen to AM. RDS, on the other hand, DOES NOT EVEN come close with the number of capable receivers. So, why spend $$$ on something that is rarely found/used? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy both features. However, if I were to spend money to improve a station, it would be in the quality of sound rather than what will display on the radio. BTW, my presets are only for AM stereo and RDS stations. 95% of my radio listening is AM stereo. Now off my soapbox. WKNX 1250 (Bay City, MI) is still stereo with oldies as I checked this last weekend. They have been purchased by WNEM TV5 (also Bay City) and the plan is to become talk. Paul Crane >From: "John P." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Commercials (on former stereo) Clear Channel stations >Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:18:18 -0700 (PDT) > >- From Todays news, Clear Channel is cutting down on the number of minutes > of commercials!: >"On country music stations, for example, peak morning broadcasts would be >limited to 12 minutes of ad time per hour, and fewer minutes than that >during >other day-parts, he said. Commercial breaks will be no longer than four >minutes, or six ads, on such stations, he said. > >News, talk and information formats will have a slightly higher threshold >than >music stations of several more minutes for ad time." > >- Does that mean that a full 1/4 hour of News/Talk stations are >commercials?!!? > >- Now, if they turn their stereo AM back on, that would be great news! > >- The, if they'd realize that most of their ads are boring, that they play >10 >songs in a row and then 10 commercials in a row, what advertiser wants to >be >more than 3rd down in the pile? Perhaps ad-free satellite is wearing on >them? >- They need Stan Freeberg to write some innovative radio ads that you WANT >to hear! > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! >http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Jul 19 10:21:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41148 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2004 17:21:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2004 17:21:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2004 17:21:15 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id r.7b.2ebe5288 (4459) for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7b.2ebe5288.2e2d5c15@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:17:09 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.139.136 From: Bossmsx@aol.com Subject: XEUT/Pilot?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have heard reports that XEUT/1630 in Tijuana, the Stereo, but no pilot station has started broadcasting a pilot...Is that so?? Maybe I read it on this list, I can't recall. I'm trying to 'map out' an "AM Stereo Expedition" itinerary, and am thinking about San Diego perhaps. --tony s/miami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 19 10:39:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60910 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2004 17:39:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2004 17:39:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2004 17:39:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20040719173918.90193.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:39:18 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:39:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.145 From: "John P." Subject: FCC 99-325 -IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Well, I fired my last salvo at the FCC ECFS 99-325 on the Reply Comments; unfortunately, in an effort to just barely beat the midnight deadline, I skipped the spellcheck and ended-up with a few typos in it - well the message is still pretty clear: IBOC will do more harm than good on the AM band for any station and its advertisers that would like to be heard clearly more than 20 miles away from the transmitter site. We truly have 2 schools of thought on this issue - 1- Will the adjacent channel interference, single-source provider and much smaller coverage areas damage the AM band; or 2- Will the lack of compressed DIGITAL audio broadcasting damage the AM band? Who knows? Anybody's guess when the FCC will make a ruling? Too bad receiver manufacturers couldn't spend $50 more to make a decent analog/DSP AM receiver instead of $500 for and IBOC adapter? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Jul 19 11:17:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51655 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2004 18:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2004 18:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2004 18:17:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2004 18:17:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:17:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 386 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.117.7 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Commercials (on former stereo) Clear Channel stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > Never could figure them out. Shut down AM stereo I don't want to start a riot, but I think the "no AM Stereo" policy was a Randy Michaels thing....Sure, they haven't turned the pilots on again, but I think times have changed with Hogan at the helm...Didn't someone mention that one of the engineers in Houston was considering turning the Stereo back on at his CC station? -ts From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Jul 19 14:10:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38396 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2004 21:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2004 21:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41207.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2004 21:10:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20040719210949.40925.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:09:49 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:09:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1090231173.1085.26867.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.40 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1263 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also in some places theres a lot of intermodulating on the FM band on LPFM with some stations 100kHz apart,and as its "free" to broadcast,no licence required as long as you ahere to the rules ie which frequencies and power they are popping up everywhere including dreadful simulcasting/rebroadcasting. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: There are 7 messages in this issue. Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Tue Jul 20 12:55:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80274 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2004 19:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2004 19:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2004 19:53:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2004 19:51:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:51:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 143 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: Dymek DA-5 Antenna on Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Ebay has the McKay-Dymek DA-5 Antenna for 1 day and 5 hours left for auction. The current bid is $35. The Item number is 5709961888. Tom From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Jul 20 14:13:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46650 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2004 21:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2004 21:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2004 21:13:42 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.168] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:13:12 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01c46e9e$83753040$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20040719141818.60284.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:14:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2004 21:13:13.0803 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E3B01B0:01C46E9E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Commercials (on former stereo) Clear Channel stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude From the top of the hour to the start of the program is usually six or seven minutes for stations to use for news and/or ads. Then there's a four minute break (one minute of national must-carry plus three local); generally 4.5 minutes at the bottom of the hour for strictly local use, plus two more four minute breaks. At the top of the hour there's another two minutes (one national, one local) then the ID and back to the top of the hour again, so that's *more* than 1/4 hour of ads unless the station opts for mostly news at the bottom of the hour. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > News, talk and information formats will have a slightly higher threshold than > music stations of several more minutes for ad time." > > - Does that mean that a full 1/4 hour of News/Talk stations are commercials?!!? From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Jul 20 14:22:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10953 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2004 21:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2004 21:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2004 21:22:34 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.168] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:22:14 -0600 Message-ID: <003d01c46e9f$c6390ea0$d503fea9@home1> To: Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:23:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2004 21:22:15.0354 (UTC) FILETIME=[A10521A0:01C46E9F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: stereo stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For who's ever keeping track of AM stereo stations- someone recently posted this on Radiotech: >Having moved back up on the Canadian border I can hear that AM is not dead there. I can get 3 AM stereo signals up here...CKRM (620) in Regina, SK; CHAB (800) in Moose Jaw, SK; and KEYZ (660) in Williston, ND. CKRM & KEYZ are both country while CHAB is running a 60's & 70's oldies format. << ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Jul 20 14:47:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97130 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2004 21:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2004 21:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2004 21:42:58 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.168] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:42:51 -0600 Message-ID: <005801c46ea2$a7aff360$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:43:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2004 21:42:52.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[825AC2C0:01C46EA2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: dodge shadow car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I had one that started with 443- must have been an early model. It resembled the earlier mono radios with the larger buttons. The 446- went to smaller, more rectangular ones. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > Christian B: I think the first numbers of the part number have to > > be 446 or something like that. Can somebody correct me on that > > one? > > Actually I was the one who suggested that to Alex K, way back in > 1998. I've never been able to prove it one way or the other, but > he's had it on his site since then. So there may be 446-series > Chrysler radios without AM Stereo, and surely there are Chrysler > radios with AM Stereo whose part numbers do not begin with 446. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Jul 20 16:39:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43155 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2004 23:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2004 23:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.185) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2004 23:39:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:29:57 -0700 Received: from 24.129.153.213 by bay12-dav11.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:51:47 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:54:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2004 23:29:57.0492 (UTC) FILETIME=[78029B40:01C46EB1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.185 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.129.153.213] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Commercials (on former stereo) Clear Channel stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul Crane wrote: > RDS, on the other hand, DOES NOT EVEN come close with the number of capable receivers. So, why spend $$$ on something that is rarely found/used? Advertising! Many radio stations use RDS for active billboards that say what song or program is on the air...and the GM likes his radio to say "98 ROCK" on the display. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Jul 20 16:50:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37534 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2004 23:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2004 23:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2004 23:50:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2004 23:50:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:50:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003d01c46e9f$c6390ea0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1054 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: stereo stations (Canada) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > For who's ever keeping track of AM stereo stations- someone recently posted this on Radiotech: > > >Having moved back up on the Canadian border I can hear > that AM is not dead there. I can get 3 AM stereo > signals up here...CKRM (620) in Regina, SK; CHAB (800) > in Moose Jaw, SK; and KEYZ (660) in Williston, ND. > CKRM & KEYZ are both country while CHAB is running a > 60's & 70's oldies format. << I can tell you there's NOTHING in Toronto...CHUM/1050, which reverted to a music format, was NOT in AM Stereo when I went up there over Memorial Day Weekend 2004. No pilot, no separation..In fact, its Eureka-147 DAB feed, while it did say "Stereo" on my Perstel DAB "Walkman", had no separation...I called them up, and they said their feed was Mono...The 1150 nearby, which was also allegedly Stereo, same thing, Mono..The only thing I got in AM Stereo from my hotel room at the "Beach" on Queen St. in Toronto was WLGZ/990 in Rochester, DX'ed. --tony s./miami From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Jul 20 20:00:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58852 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2004 03:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2004 03:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2004 03:00:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2004 03:00:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 03:00:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 351 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: OT: Must Reads... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee A friend of mine forwarded these article links to me... well worth reading!= =3D=0D (I don't=20 want to start a trend in "off topic" posting, but this stuff just blew me a= =3D=0D way: http://www.womenswallstreet.com/WWS/ article_landing.aspx?titleid=3D1&articleid=3D711 =A0 http://www.womenswallstreet.com/WWS/ article_landing.aspx?titleid=3D1&articleid=3D716 From brian60420@yahoo.com Wed Jul 21 09:09:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89770 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2004 16:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2004 16:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2004 16:09:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2004 16:08:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:08:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c46c9d$9ac3b940$39b10642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 844 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "brian60420" X-Originating-IP: 208.24.179.208 Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 I can get an MP3 player or an XM radio for $120 and a Chris Cuff AM Stereo transmitter for $120. That's $240. Still cheaper than an IBOC "tuner". Still loving AM Stereo everyday without commercials, brian --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Yes- The latest Crutchfield catalog has them- the decoder alone is $399 from Kenwood- and you also have to buy a matching radio to hook it up to. There is one Panasonic model with HD built in for $1000.00..... Can't you see the lines forming now to buy one??? > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donn Tillman > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC > > > Since the subject is IBOC, I'll ask if the Kenwood (or any brand IBOC > receivers) are available anywhere yet. From brian60420@yahoo.com Wed Jul 21 09:11:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68613 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2004 16:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2004 16:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2004 16:11:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2004 16:09:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:09:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c46c9d$9ac3b940$39b10642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 844 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "brian60420" X-Originating-IP: 208.24.179.208 Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 I can get an MP3 player or an XM radio for $120 and a Chris Cuff AM Stereo transmitter for $120. That's $240. Still cheaper than an IBOC "tuner". Still loving AM Stereo everyday without commercials, brian --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Yes- The latest Crutchfield catalog has them- the decoder alone is $399 from Kenwood- and you also have to buy a matching radio to hook it up to. There is one Panasonic model with HD built in for $1000.00..... Can't you see the lines forming now to buy one??? > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donn Tillman > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC > > > Since the subject is IBOC, I'll ask if the Kenwood (or any brand IBOC > receivers) are available anywhere yet. From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Jul 21 14:38:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27841 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2004 21:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2004 21:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2004 21:38:50 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.255] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:38:23 -0600 Message-ID: <001501c46f6b$3433a480$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <005801c46ea2$a7aff360$d503fea9@home1> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:38:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2004 21:38:25.0568 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DB9CA00:01C46F6B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: dodge shadow car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude correction- should be 431 (full model number was 4311955) Had to have been one of their earliest models. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" > I had one that started with 443- must have been an early model. It > resembled the earlier mono radios with the larger buttons. The 446- went to > smaller, more rectangular ones. From castellano105@yahoo.com Wed Jul 21 14:41:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91830 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2004 21:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2004 21:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2004 21:41:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2004 21:41:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:41:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 166 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 69.68.155.231 Subject: Iboc and Texas Instrument. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Texas Intrument is ofering second generation IBOC conversion CHIPS Kid for any person,Who whant's to convert their Tuners and Recevers to Receive IBOC Transmisions. From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Jul 21 16:03:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72202 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2004 23:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2004 23:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2004 23:03:33 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.255] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:03:31 -0600 Message-ID: <005f01c46f77$18423500$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:04:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2004 23:03:32.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[F18F9740:01C46F76] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Must Reads... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It may not have to do with AMS directly, but unless we can keep this country safe, saving AM stereo will be a moot point. Thanks for the links. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas" A friend of mine forwarded these article links to me... well worth reading!= (I don't want to start a trend in "off topic" posting, but this stuff just blew me a= way: From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 21 19:22:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20103 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2004 02:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2004 02:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2004 02:22:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2004 02:22:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 02:22:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c46f6b$3433a480$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.132 Subject: {AMSF} Re: dodge shadow car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > correction- should be 431 (full model number was 4311955) Had to > have been one of their earliest models. I'm not sure when Chrysler started manufactured AM Stereo-equipped radios, but I have a Delco radio with AM Stereo (radio only, no cassette, no graphic EQ) that was built in October 1984. That was two years after the use of AM Stereo was approved by the FCC. And now here we are today, two years after the FCC approved use of IBOC -- but the only receivers on the market are a few car radios from Kenwood and Panasonic which are so expensive, nobody is buying them anyway. I don't think that is a sign of encouragement! From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jul 21 20:12:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75715 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2004 03:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2004 03:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2004 03:12:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2004 03:12:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 03:12:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 471 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.200 Subject: {AMSF} Re: dodge shadow car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I'm not sure when Chrysler started manufactured AM Stereo-equipped > radios, but I have a Delco radio with AM Stereo (radio only, no > cassette, no graphic EQ) that was built in October 1984. This would be about right- First cars with factory-installed AMS radios wre 1985 models, based on contracts signed in 1982. (It takes that long to gear up something like that.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jul 22 07:17:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21002 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2004 14:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2004 14:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2004 14:16:58 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.183.136]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:20:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c46ff6$7f021f60$88b70642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:16:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: dodge shadow car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is true- I hung around with a friend that was a mech at our local Chrysler dealer in 1985, and all the New Yorkers and Imperials had the AM stereo for sure- now, the lesser models had a mix- some had leftover '84 radios installed that did not have ams. Starting 1986, Every model from the Horizon/Omni on up had AM Stereo as standard equipment. The 85 models also were distinguished from the others as they had a separte switch to turn off the am stereo. cc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Thu Jul 22 16:03:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50898 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2004 23:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2004 23:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail2.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.13) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2004 23:03:03 -0000 Received: from csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1BF5401D for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:03:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B092854002 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:03:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6MN32qr002488 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:03:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:03:02 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.13 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Oz digital doldrums X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 From yesterday's Oz ... Radio airs frustration over digital plan delay AN agitated commercial radio industry is threatening to take on the federal Government during the election campaign over concerns its future is at risk due to delays in the transition to digital technology. Commercial Radio Australia chief executive Joan Warner said the industry had been waiting for a Government decision for nine months. The radio industry's 32 owners want a similar transition framework to the television industry, with existing operators gaining free access to the digital spectrum, a reasonable simulcast period and a ban on new entrants for at least 10 years. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10206339%255E7582,00.html In the same issue Mark Day's cynical but pertinent comments ... So little, so late, but radio finally tunes to digital http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10206343%255E12280,00.html From dav259@csiro.au Thu Jul 22 16:20:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25014 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2004 23:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2004 23:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail2.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.13) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2004 23:20:02 -0000 Received: from csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB7C54051 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:16:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA2A5404F for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:16:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6MNGoqr003089 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:16:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:16:50 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.13 From: Ian Davidson Subject: CC committed to IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Clear Channel Radio is going to convert the bulk of its stations to HD Radio. The company has also named Kevin Lockhart to a new position as SVP of technology to head the effort. Clear Channel Radio said it would immediately begin an aggressive rollout of digital broadcasting equipment to 1,000 of the company's 1,200 stations, working with Ibiquity Digital. Terms of the relationship with Ibiquity were not disclosed. Specifically, the company plans to install 95% of its top 100 markets within three years. "Digital radio is a transforming application and Clear Channel Radio is committed to passing on its benefits to our listeners," stated Lockhart. "The ability to deliver radically improved, CD-quality radio programming and reception, along with data and related services, is a powerful advantage for the radio industry and an important advance for listeners." From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 22 21:29:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39624 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 04:29:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 04:29:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 04:29:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2004 04:28:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 04:28:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 930 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.8 Subject: Re: CC committed to IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Clear Channel Radio is going to convert the bulk of its stations to > HD Radio. Yeah, that's nice industry fluff, but they ain't gonna do it if it won't help their bottom line. CC has already made it clear that they care about their advertisers more than their listeners... so if CC thinks IBOC can help them attract more revenue, then they'll go with it... regardless if their listeners will get any benefit from it. And likewise, in any cases where use of IBOC might hurt their bottom line, by rendering a station's signal unlistenable in certain areas and thus risking the business of advertisers from those areas... they'll yank out the IBOC exciter in a heartbeat. But of course, you'll never see that mentioned in the press... iBiquity likes to boast about all the stations that are adding IBOC, but they never tell us about the stations which have shut off their IBOC exciters, especially on the AM band. From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Jul 23 02:36:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46620 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 09:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 09:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 09:36:00 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.212.197.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.212.197] helo=earthlink.net) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BnwSP-0005qY-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:35:14 -0700 Message-ID: <4100DBDB.EF6334D3@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 05:35:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.48 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CC committed to IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Plus, unless low-priced home receivers are made available, the public will not embrace it regardless. The public will not pay $1 more to obtain a receiver that is IBOC-ready. Dick W. "Kevin T." wrote: > > Clear Channel Radio is going to convert the bulk of its stations to > > HD Radio. > > Yeah, that's nice industry fluff, but they ain't gonna do it if it > won't help their bottom line. CC has already made it clear that they > care about their advertisers more than their listeners... so if CC > thinks IBOC can help them attract more revenue, then they'll go with > it... regardless if their listeners will get any benefit from it. > > And likewise, in any cases where use of IBOC might hurt their bottom > line, by rendering a station's signal unlistenable in certain areas > and thus risking the business of advertisers from those areas... > they'll yank out the IBOC exciter in a heartbeat. But of course, > you'll never see that mentioned in the press... iBiquity likes to > boast about all the stations that are adding IBOC, but they never > tell us about the stations which have shut off their IBOC exciters, > especially on the AM band. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Jul 23 02:52:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18121 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 09:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 09:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 09:52:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2004 09:51:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:51:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4100DBDB.EF6334D3@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1403 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.12.72 Subject: {AMSF} Re: CC committed to IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Dick W wrote: > Plus, unless low-priced home receivers are made available, the public will > not embrace it regardless. The public will not pay $1 more to obtain a > receiver that is IBOC-ready. > Dick W. > > "Kevin T." wrote: > > > > Clear Channel Radio is going to convert the bulk of its stations to > > > HD Radio. > > > > Yeah, that's nice industry fluff, but they ain't gonna do it if it > > won't help their bottom line. CC has already made it clear that they > > care about their advertisers more than their listeners... so if CC > > thinks IBOC can help them attract more revenue, then they'll go with > > it... regardless if their listeners will get any benefit from it. > > > > And likewise, in any cases where use of IBOC might hurt their bottom > > line, by rendering a station's signal unlistenable in certain areas > > and thus risking the business of advertisers from those areas... > > they'll yank out the IBOC exciter in a heartbeat. But of course, > > you'll never see that mentioned in the press... iBiquity likes to > > boast about all the stations that are adding IBOC, but they never > > tell us about the stations which have shut off their IBOC exciters, > > especially on the AM band. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hi That is true with meady oaker sales of HDTV to. Jim Smith From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jul 23 07:00:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34039 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 14:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 14:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 14:00:35 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.129]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:04:46 -0400 Message-ID: <002601c470bd$65c118e0$81b10642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:00:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CC committed to IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The public is not buying ANY radios. Look at this weeks Newsweek article on iPods. Look at how many are selling, and how many are in daily use. Add in the people on XM and Sirius now, and any broadcaster that puts a dime into digital broadcasting is very foolish, in my opinion. Chris > And likewise, in any cases where use of IBOC might hurt their bottom > > line, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Jul 23 08:57:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72304 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 15:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 15:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 15:57:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2004 15:56:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:56:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002601c470bd$65c118e0$81b10642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 971 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: {AMSF} Re: CC committed to IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Absolutely right Chris. Tell the public they're going to have to buy a new expensive radio to listen to the same garbage that's on the air now. If it's ever madated by the FCC those that remain will turn their radios off forever. It will be the death of radio. Wait until after the TV digital disater of 2006. A lot of the American public is unaware of what's about to happen to them. Stores are still selling analog TV's. I wonder how many people are going to be caught with their pants down and I wonder what the backlash will be if any. Try this with radio?? It's a joke. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > The public is not buying ANY radios. Look at this weeks Newsweek article on iPods. Look at how many are selling, and how many are in daily use. Add in the people on XM and Sirius now, and any broadcaster that puts a dime into digital broadcasting is very foolish, in my opinion. > Chris > From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Jul 23 09:05:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56692 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 16:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 16:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 16:05:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2004 16:05:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:05:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 695 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: OT: Must Reads... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Don't believe everything you read, volume 2,734,256,197: http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/taylor200407211921.asp http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2004/07/21/askthepilot95/index_np.html http://hometown.aol.com/musicaxis/mehana.htm --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > A friend of mine forwarded these article links to me... well worth readin= =3D=0D g!=3D > (I don't=20 > want to start a trend in "off topic" posting, but this stuff just blew me= =3D=0D a=3D > way: >=20 > http://www.womenswallstreet.com/WWS/ > article_landing.aspx?titleid=3D1&articleid=3D711 > =A0 > http://www.womenswallstreet.com/WWS/ > article_landing.aspx?titleid=3D1&articleid=3D716 From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Jul 23 09:33:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56765 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 16:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 16:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 16:33:43 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040723163319.GHWA11845.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:33:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:33:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002601c470bd$65c118e0$81b10642@4bmx301> Message-Id: <00057532-DCC6-11D8-B851-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.37 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CC committed to IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with your sentiment, but the sales of the other digital music devices is what is driving some to push IBOC. Here's a major problem: AM stereo was so poorly rolled out that many people equate stereo AM with the same lousy sound as before, only in stereo. And those are the few who heard it. Few radios made in the past 40 years have a decent AM section, so the public "knows" that AM sounds bad. While I am not a fan of the concept of adding interference to the band, I CAN understand the frustration and sentiment of those who are pushing IBOC ... it may not be as good as good analog, but you can't even buy good analog any more (with FEW exceptions). The fact that people are buying iPods, XM, Sirius, etc ... ALL of which use some sort of digital compression that negatively effects sound ... shows that it just needs to sound "good enough." Is IBOC "good enough?" I don't know, but I imagine if IBOC radios came way down in price, it would be. Unfortunately, it really is the programing, but IBOC supporters often forget that. Personally, I like the smooth sound of good analog AM and FM, when the source material is not MP3s as so many stations use today. And good analog AM does indeed sound good: KFI sounds much better than KLSX in my opinion. This is already all over the board as it is so I'll stop now ... Richard On Friday, July 23, 2004, at 07:00 AM, Chris Cuff wrote: > The public is not buying ANY radios. Look at this weeks Newsweek > article on iPods. Look at how many are selling, and how many are in > daily use. Add in the people on XM and Sirius now, and any broadcaster > that puts a dime into digital broadcasting is very foolish, in my > opinion. > Chris > > > And likewise, in any cases where use of IBOC might hurt their > bottom > > > line, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 23 12:01:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23755 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 19:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 19:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 19:01:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2004 19:00:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:00:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 224 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.27 Subject: WWVA not moving to Ohio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radio-info.com..... The classic WWVA 1170 Wheeling WV had applied to move to Stow, OH operating 50kW day/27kW night. However their owners (Capstar TX) has withdrawn the application leaving WWVA in Wheeling, WV. From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Jul 23 13:22:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1475 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 20:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 20:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 20:22:41 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.18.206] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:22:39 -0600 Message-ID: <002101c470f2$f65e7ac0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <4100DBDB.EF6334D3@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:23:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2004 20:22:39.0946 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD266AA0:01C470F2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CC committed to IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Most sure didn't pay the extra $10 for AM stereo car radios vs the mono ones at Radio Shack back when they had them, lending credibility to that argument. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick W" > Plus, unless low-priced home receivers are made available, the public will > not embrace it regardless. The public will not pay $1 more to obtain a > receiver that is IBOC-ready. > From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Jul 23 13:32:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47185 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 20:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 20:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 20:32:30 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.18.206] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:32:22 -0600 Message-ID: <004201c470f4$53b02380$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <002601c470bd$65c118e0$81b10642@4bmx301> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:32:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2004 20:32:26.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A7C5920:01C470F4] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CC committed to IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I wonder what people would think of their iPods if they heard them being played through a truly decent amp and speakers? They'd probably be horrified. I wouldn't mind getting one myself for non-critical listening, but I have such limited time for anything anymore, when would I be able to learn to use it? And on dial-up it takes forever to download even a fairly short song. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > The public is not buying ANY radios. Look at this weeks Newsweek article on iPods. Look at how many are selling, and how many are in daily use. Add in the people on XM and Sirius now, and any broadcaster that puts a dime into digital broadcasting is very foolish, in my opinion. From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jul 23 13:51:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60137 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 20:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 20:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 20:51:12 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.166]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:54:39 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c470f6$a7374720$a6b10642@4bmx301> To: References: <002601c470bd$65c118e0$81b10642@4bmx301> <004201c470f4$53b02380$d503fea9@home1> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:50:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CC committed to IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I dunno- I have my Lyra hooked up to play in several places, and the sound quality is excellent, especially at 128K. The hard drive is so large, I don't have to worry about space. I have 750 songs on it, and most are at least FM quality, depending on the source. I have not downloaded many songs, instead using a borrow and record system with other friends, I have all the music I need, and don't have to worry about hearing the same songs repeated 4 and 5 times in an 8 hour period. As for it's ease of use- the new generation of players is far easier. Even video recording on the fly is a snap. I still like my WCBS newsradio 88 every morning, but it's getting easier and easier to get away from radio as it is now- Don't get me wrong - I wish it would come back, but might as well prepare for the future now. The future IS now. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 4:32 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CC committed to IBOC I wonder what people would think of their iPods if they heard them being played through a truly decent amp and speakers? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Jul 23 13:52:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20311 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 20:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 20:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 20:52:53 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.18.206] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:52:50 -0600 Message-ID: <005201c470f7$2e1b7180$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:53:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2004 20:52:51.0369 (UTC) FILETIME=[04D7A190:01C470F7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Must Reads... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude At least the guy from NRO got it. Like those sanctimonious clowns at salon.com wouldn't have been scared had they been in that woman's shoes? They only have the benefit of hindsight. Call me paranoid, but I wouldn't put it past some of the terrorists nowadays to actually form a legitimate music group, tour for a few years, and then do their nefarious deed. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "narkspud" Don't believe everything you read, volume 2,734,256,197: From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Jul 23 14:02:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47132 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 21:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 21:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 21:02:29 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.236.107.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.236.107] helo=earthlink.net) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bo7BU-0005r8-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:02:29 -0700 Message-ID: <41017CF0.209FCC4B@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:02:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.84 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWVA not moving to Ohio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank goodness. For traditional country music fans, WWVA is a classic station, probably second only to WSM in being famous throughout the south. It was a powerhouse station, reaching the entire eastern seaboard during the 1930s - 1950s. Dick W. "Kevin T." wrote: > >From www.radio-info.com..... > > The classic WWVA 1170 Wheeling WV had applied to move to Stow, OH > operating 50kW day/27kW night. However their owners (Capstar TX) has > withdrawn the application leaving WWVA in Wheeling, WV. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jul 23 14:10:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1785 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 21:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 21:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 21:10:09 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.166]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:14:20 -0400 Message-ID: <003d01c470f9$67a43980$a6b10642@4bmx301> To: References: <41017CF0.209FCC4B@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:09:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWVA not moving to Ohio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WWVA was the first time I ever heard country music- They came in every night when I was a kid- I liked them a lot. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick W To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 5:02 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWVA not moving to Ohio Thank goodness. For traditional country music fans, WWVA is a classic station [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 23 14:33:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44690 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 21:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 21:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 21:33:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2004 21:32:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 21:32:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002701c470f6$a7374720$a6b10642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 958 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.27 Subject: Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I dunno- I have my Lyra hooked up to play in several places, and > the sound quality is excellent, especially at 128K. It's the old "Garbage In, Garbage Out" scenario. A lot of MP3 files that people share over the internet sound horrible, even at 160 or 192 kbps, because they use lousy, outdated encoders. But if you "rip" the songs from CDs yourself and take the time to use a good- quality encoder (like "LAME" for MP3 or Nero for AAC) it will always sound better. AAC at 128 kbps isn't "CD-quality" but especially with today's over- produced pop music you can hardly tell the difference between a codec artifact and some noise that was supposed to be part of the music. And you can always choose a higher bit-rate for encoding -- you'll just get less playing time from the unit's storage space (which is at least a few Gigs on an iPod so that's not really an issue unless you have a massive collection of music you want to put on it). From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Jul 23 14:55:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64985 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 21:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 21:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.241.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 21:55:30 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040723215528.UTJC143.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:55:28 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:55:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004201c470f4$53b02380$d503fea9@home1> Message-Id: <02461C9C-DCF3-11D8-AF5F-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.38 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CC committed to IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, I have played mine through a very nice DJ system with a=20 wonderful Phase Linear amp and good speakers; with high enough encoding=20 (or slightly lower encoding with a better-than-average encoder), it=20 actually sounds quite good. I now use my iPod exclusively when traveling. There are so few local=20 stations any more, that it isn't even worth searching. Around town for=20 me it's often KFI or the iPod. The iPod is a great entertainment source=20 ... radio stations had better worry about it more than XM or Sirius. And typical of most Apple products, it takes about 5 seconds to learn=20 how to use it. I plan to buy a second one soon for my wife. Richard On Friday, July 23, 2004, at 01:32 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > I wonder what people would think of their iPods if they heard them=20 > being > played through a truly decent amp and speakers?=A0 They'd probably be > horrified.=A0 I wouldn't mind getting one myself for non-critical=20 > listening, > but I have such limited time for anything anymore, when would I be=20 > able to > learn to use it?=A0 And on dial-up it takes forever to download even a=20 > fairly > short song. > > Scott Todd > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jul 23 14:59:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69629 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 21:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 21:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 21:59:15 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.43]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:03:16 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c47100$3dc250a0$2bb40642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:58:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin is right- when Napster and later Kazaa were in full swing, a LOT of stuff was so badly recorded, it was painful. Dropouts, overmodulated, under modulated, yuk. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 5:32 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio It's the old "Garbage In, Garbage Out" scenario. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jul 23 15:25:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19736 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 22:25:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2004 22:25:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 22:25:22 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.43]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:29:08 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c47103$d9cabe80$2bb40642@4bmx301> To: References: <02461C9C-DCF3-11D8-AF5F-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:24:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CC committed to IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was one step away from buying an ipod, as I think they look cool- but when I saw the Lyra with the color LCD and video record capabilities for LESS money, I went for it. I use it nearly every night to record TV shows to watch next day. I got hooked on some of those damn reality shows, and as networks love to run them all during the same time periods, I have one VCR, one DVd recorder, and the Lyra to keep up with it all. I probably will get an ipod, tho'., in keeping up with the techno dweebs of which I am one.... ;-) cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Wagoner To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Fri Jul 23 18:53:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43024 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 01:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 01:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 01:53:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2004 01:53:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:53:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c47100$3dc250a0$2bb40642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1119 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "dbdigital2004" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.210.90 Subject: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Kevin is right- when Napster and later Kazaa were in full swing, a LOT of stuff was so badly recorded, it was painful. Dropouts, overmodulated, under modulated, yuk. > cc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin T. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 5:32 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio > > > It's the old "Garbage In, Garbage Out" scenario. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] With the phenomenal success of the iPod and satellite radio, what we're seeing here is nothing less than a public revolt against traditional commercial radio. People are fed up with it and commercial broadcasters have only themselves to thank. Probably the ultimate radio empowerment tool is the Griffin iTrip whereby iPod owners can broadcast there own playlist on an FM radio. People can now program their own radio station and, in a small, personal way, take back their airwaves. I think the day will come when commercial radio as we've known it will be extinct. db From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 23 19:49:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37598 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 02:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 02:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 02:49:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2004 02:49:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:49:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2219 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.79 Subject: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Commercial broadcasting will probably always exist, just that the form it has taken has proven to be anything but acceptable, and no, it's not solely the fault of broadcasters why this has become so, which I have mentioned in the past: The blame is equally spread across a wide variety of groups, namely: Corporate broadcasters The NAB The RIAA Marketing consultants The FCC and Politicians in charge of overseeing the FCC A good deal why it became as bad as it has become is the expense of programming- The RIAA is single-handedly responsible for driving most smaller stations to networked programming, to cut down on outrageous licensing fees. This in turn has resulted in a feeding frenzy on many sides towards massive acquisitions and buyouts and lots of money towards deregulation of ownership, and you all know the rest of the story. Queen was ahead of the game when they recorded "Radio Ga-Ga" 20 years ago. A station needs revenue streams, though- Either through donation drives, subscriptions or advertisements. XM survives well enough now, as they have enough subscriptions to make ends meet. For lo9ne broadcasters, subscriptions won't work, simply because they can't cover large broadcast areas so readily to make it sustainable by subscription only. That leaves advertising and donating. The latter can pay for some bills, but not suitable incomes for full-time employees- This is why it works well for college stations and some low-people-powered stations. This leaves advertising. But with the current state of broadcasting, and the programming options available (particularly since local programming has become prohibitive), it becomes a moot subject. Basically, it's several firing squads, all firing at the same time, to see who they can get the most "bang" out of it, and consequently, all parties involved have effectively shot each other at least in the feet, if not higher. Radio, and the whole entertainment industry, is a F'ing disaster, and there's no hope that we can expect those responsible to actually make restitution anytime soon. Something utterly drastic has to happen, and digial conversion of analog radio is NOT going to solve it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From chris@lledgerock.com Fri Jul 23 20:53:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54843 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 03:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 03:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 03:53:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2004 03:53:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 03:53:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 854 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Chris" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.161.66 Subject: Wow.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 I received my FX-999 Sony a couple days ago.... WOW. It sounds VERY CLOSE if not BETTER than FM. I had someone tell me that the AM does not have low end, and asked how AMS gets low end. Well... Words can't explain it. It is something to be experienced, like the world's best movie theater surround systems. When the AMS is activated, it's like it wraps around you. I've never heard AM so SPACIOUS! AMS Stations receivable (Skywave Only) here in Galway, NY: 1520 KB Radio WKBW, Buffalo, NY w/ Good separation 1660 NJ Noticeable separation, but not that great 1680 WTTM NJ Beautiful separation I want 1540 back on stereo! Crawford Broadcasting just recently dumped everyone on the old 1540 Legends WPTR and switched everything around, so now WDCD is 1540 and WPTR is 96.7. I'm waiting for them to put it back on. Wasn't Crawford pro-AMS? From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Jul 23 21:19:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38097 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 04:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 04:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.198.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 04:19:00 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004072403575901500iq16ae>; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 03:58:00 +0000 To: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:58:22 -0400 Message-ID: <019e01c47132$7882d480$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.198.39 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Wow.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Crawford just within the past week or so got rid of WPTR on 96.7, so it's dead for good now. It's now religious contemporary music... Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Chris [mailto:chris@lledgerock.com] Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 11:53 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Wow.... I received my FX-999 Sony a couple days ago.... WOW. It sounds VERY CLOSE if not BETTER than FM. I had someone tell me that the AM does not have low end, and asked how AMS gets low end. Well... Words can't explain it. It is something to be experienced, like the world's best movie theater surround systems. When the AMS is activated, it's like it wraps around you. I've never heard AM so SPACIOUS! AMS Stations receivable (Skywave Only) here in Galway, NY: 1520 KB Radio WKBW, Buffalo, NY w/ Good separation 1660 NJ Noticeable separation, but not that great 1680 WTTM NJ Beautiful separation I want 1540 back on stereo! Crawford Broadcasting just recently dumped everyone on the old 1540 Legends WPTR and switched everything around, so now WDCD is 1540 and WPTR is 96.7. I'm waiting for them to put it back on. Wasn't Crawford pro-AMS? Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Jul 23 22:38:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 65172 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 05:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 05:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 05:38:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2004 05:38:38 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29977 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 05:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 05:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 05:09:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2004 05:09:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 05:09:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002b01c47103$d9cabe80$2bb40642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 903 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: CC committed to IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Jul 2004 05:38:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 Could you post a link to the lyra manufacturer's web page for the unit, please? I'd like to compare it with the Archos AV3x0 series. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I was one step away from buying an ipod, as I think they look cool- but when I saw the Lyra with the color LCD and video record capabilities for LESS money, I went for it. I use it nearly every night to record TV shows to watch next day. I got hooked on some of those damn reality shows, and as networks love to run them all during the same time periods, I have one VCR, one DVd recorder, and the Lyra to keep up with it all. > I probably will get an ipod, tho'., in keeping up with the techno dweebs of which I am one.... ;-) > cc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Wagoner > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Jul 23 22:38:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27293 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 05:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 05:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 05:38:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2004 05:38:54 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70279 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 05:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 05:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 05:12:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2004 05:12:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 05:12:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <019e01c47132$7882d480$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1709 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wow.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Jul 2004 05:38:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 How good is the sensitivity and selectivity and high frequency (and low frequency) response (preferably compared to the SRF-42) on the WM-FX999? Is there a place I could get one? (besides ebay, like audiocubes.com for example - it will probably be a while before I get one) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Lehmann" wrote: > Crawford just within the past week or so got rid of WPTR on 96.7, so > it's dead for good now. It's now religious contemporary music... > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris [mailto:chris@l...] > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 11:53 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Wow.... > > I received my FX-999 Sony a couple days ago.... > WOW. It sounds VERY CLOSE if not BETTER than FM. I had someone tell > me that the AM does not have low end, and asked how AMS gets low end. > > Well... Words can't explain it. It is something to be experienced, > like the world's best movie theater surround systems. When the AMS is > activated, it's like it wraps around you. I've never heard AM so > SPACIOUS! > > AMS Stations receivable (Skywave Only) here in Galway, NY: > 1520 KB Radio WKBW, Buffalo, NY w/ Good separation > 1660 NJ Noticeable separation, but not that great > 1680 WTTM NJ Beautiful separation > > I want 1540 back on stereo! Crawford Broadcasting just recently > dumped everyone on the old 1540 Legends WPTR and switched everything > around, so now WDCD is 1540 and WPTR is 96.7. I'm waiting for them to > put it back on. Wasn't Crawford pro-AMS? > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 24 00:59:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17314 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 07:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 07:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 07:59:47 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.194]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 04:03:23 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01c47154$12557b00$c2b50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 03:58:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CC committed to IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just go to Google and type in RD2780 it will give you lots of stuff to research, including RCA's info page. The Archos is $150.00 more, and the Lyra is better looking, IMO. Both are highly rated. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 1:09 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: CC committed to IBOC Could you post a link to the lyra manufacturer's web page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chris@lledgerock.com Sat Jul 24 06:00:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69478 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 13:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 13:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 13:00:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2004 13:00:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:00:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 676 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Chris" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.161.66 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wow.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 I can't tell you the exact frequency response of the chip, but I can say it is real close to FM responses, just without all that glorious bandwidth. It certainly does help with the transmitter having a high quality IF and the receiver having a high quality IF. I wish ALL radios had this now! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > How good is the sensitivity and selectivity and high frequency (and > low frequency) response (preferably compared to the SRF-42) on the > WM-FX999? Is there a place I could get one? (besides ebay, like > audiocubes.com for example - it will probably be a while before I > get one) From chris@lledgerock.com Sat Jul 24 06:03:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29760 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 13:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 13:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 13:03:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2004 13:03:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:03:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 243 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Chris" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.161.66 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wow.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 I don't think anyone in the US retails these, the guy got this out of a bunch of japanese walkmans he received. > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > Is there a place I could get one? From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Jul 24 14:14:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6822 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 21:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 21:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 21:14:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2004 21:13:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:13:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 436 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.17.134 Subject: Fwd: Melbourne DX Tuner now live!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforumaustralia@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: Just logged on to this radio, MW reption is not that great. loaction is Mount Macedon so how far is that from the transmitter Ian ? What station did I try first ?...3MP of course! Signal strengh is very weak though :-( Magic 693 is only s 1 also but's it's great to hear these stations live anyway and in good quality --- End forwarded message --- From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jul 24 14:45:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39361 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 21:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 21:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 21:45:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2004 21:45:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:45:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 181 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "K8DAD" X-Originating-IP: 65.221.44.46 Subject: Chris, tell us about the new Sony X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Chris, tell us about this Sony FX-999 or whatever? AMS? Frequency coverage, frequency response, etc...? PS: My vote for portable digital audio are the Sony minidisc recorders. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jul 24 14:50:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36455 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 21:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 21:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 21:50:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20040724215027.6118.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.44.46] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:50:27 PDT Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:50:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.145 From: "John P." Subject: O.T.: Terror Scares X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I agree with Douglas and Scott, these "threats" to the American way of life have proven that they are a very patient and deterimined group of people. I wouldn't put it past anyone for them to spend 5-6 years to pull crap on us again. The 911 report shows that better safe than sorry has to be the new US mindset unfortunately; look how 4 of 5 hijackers set off the security that fateful day, yet we didn't find their weapons. Lets keep the skies safe and stereo AM on the air! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jul 24 17:20:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31450 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2004 00:20:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2004 00:20:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2004 00:20:31 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.19] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:20:29 -0600 Message-ID: <003e01c471dd$5c473c60$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:21:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2004 00:20:29.0910 (UTC) FILETIME=[311FDF60:01C471DD] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wow.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Where could we find one and how much would we expect to pay? As for Crawford, yes, they used to be pro-AMS, but I know Cris Alexander is gung-ho on IBOC for FM, anyway. Seems to me 1540 turned off the stereo because of some interference. Why not give them a call and ask them to turn it back on? Better for someone in their neck of the woods to call than someone like me who can only hear Waterloo IA on that freq. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" > I received my FX-999 Sony a couple days ago.... > WOW. It sounds VERY CLOSE if not BETTER than FM. I had someone tell > me that the AM does not have low end, and asked how AMS gets low end. > I want 1540 back on stereo! Crawford Broadcasting just recently > dumped everyone on the old 1540 Legends WPTR and switched everything > around, so now WDCD is 1540 and WPTR is 96.7. I'm waiting for them to > put it back on. Wasn't Crawford pro-AMS? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Jul 24 18:23:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43061 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2004 01:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2004 01:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2004 01:23:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2004 01:23:28 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23668 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 21:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 21:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 21:19:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2004 21:19:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:19:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c47154$12557b00$c2b50642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 829 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: CC committed to IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 25 Jul 2004 01:23:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 Ok i'm looking at their site now. btw I don't really care how it looks, it's just that I want to be able to do certain things with it, like record for example, and also I would like at least 40GB (preferably 80GB or more) of storage. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Just go to Google and type in RD2780 it will give you lots of stuff to research, including RCA's info page. The Archos is $150.00 more, and the Lyra is better looking, IMO. Both are highly rated. > cc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pianoplayer88key > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 1:09 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: CC committed to IBOC > > > Could you post a link to the lyra manufacturer's web page > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chris@lledgerock.com Sat Jul 24 19:02:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63399 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2004 02:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2004 02:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2004 02:02:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2004 02:02:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:02:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1530 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Chris" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.161.66 Subject: Sony WM-FX999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 To answer people's questions: The Sony WM-FX999 is a Japanese model. I'm not sure where around here you can find them, besides eBay. My research concluded that this model retailed for 32,000 yen back in the mid 90's. This is the best sounding AM radio yet, up there with the Delphi radio included in the H2 hummer. I cannot tell you the exact frequency response, but it does cover a better part of a pleasurable listening experience. I do have to use my pair of Sony backphones to get the best audio from it. This little unit DXs quite well, but lately the skywave has been noisy, and there is a lot of qrm in the house with all the computers, digital panels, and a plasma screen. I have to deal with the trade-off between qrm and skeeters, with all the rain we've been having here in the NE has created an explosion of skeeters. I received this walkman from a guy named Paul from stereo2go.com. From what I have read on his forums, he has sold a number of walkmans on ebay or private sale. This radio came with a lot of japanese model walkmans he received. All things considered, this is the best walkman I've had in a long time! Notwithstanding the fact I need to buy some Ni-MH sticks to use the tape player, right now I'm more interested in the AMS part of it. Nice deal too, I won the auction for 49 dollars. I hope this answers everyone's questions about it. I'll see if I can get some pics up on my lin box for your viewing pleasure! URLs due soon! 73 all and great AMS DX! Chris Curtis From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jul 24 20:51:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47919 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2004 03:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2004 03:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2004 03:51:45 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040725035144.WWUF21079.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 23:51:44 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:51:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040724215027.6118.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.35 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Terror Scares X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit May have found them, but the weapons used weren't illegal at the time. On Saturday, July 24, 2004, at 02:50 PM, John P. wrote: > look how 4 of 5 hijackers set off the security that fateful day, > yet we didn't find their weapons. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sat Jul 24 21:24:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18671 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2004 04:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2004 04:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2004 04:24:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2004 04:24:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 04:24:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1597 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "dbdigital2004" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.210.90 Subject: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: You're correct, Amy, there are a number of factors (and factions) involved in the degradation of commercial radio...and merely converting to digital is not going to save it (as you well observed). The reason I put the blame on broadcasters is because of their complacency; thinking that the same old broadcast model that has worked for them for a hundred years is going to keep on working. As a result, instead of innovation, we get knee jerk solutions like Clear Channel offering to cut back on the number of commercials their stations broadcast per hour. This is not a light bulb idea but a panic reaction to satellite radio and a desperate attempt at keeping the status quo. Of course, broadcasters will need to sustain themselves financially in some way, but as people become less and less dependent on commercial radio for their morning commute or afternoon drive home it is clear that the current broadcast model has got to change. It reminds me of the days when a sponsor would underwrite an entire radio or TV show and had so much power that they could dictate the show's content, actors and so forth. Thankfully those days are gone (in part because people were turning their receivers off). The same thing has to happen to commercial radio. Like you, I don't know what the solution is but I do believe that, since it is the public airwaves we're talking about, it is the public whom broadcasters (and along with them the FCC, The RIAA, NAB, etc.) will have to involve in their future. db From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 24 22:53:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37429 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2004 05:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2004 05:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2004 05:53:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2004 05:53:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 05:53:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3797 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.79 Subject: Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > You're correct, Amy, there are a number of factors (and factions) > involved in the > degradation of commercial radio...and merely converting to digital is > not going to save it > (as you well observed). Correct- Digital is just the bandaid for a relatively minor problem, and won't solve the big ones. > The reason I put the blame on broadcasters is because of their > complacency; thinking that > the same old broadcast model that has worked for them for a hundred > years is going to > keep on working. As a result, instead of innovation, we get knee > jerk solutions like Clear > Channel offering to cut back on the number of commercials their > stations broadcast per > hour. This is not a light bulb idea but a panic reaction to > satellite radio and a desperate > attempt at keeping the status quo. Just for clarification, but there has been no single broadcasting model over these past 100 years of public broadcasting. In fact, radio has evolved and transformed itself many times over the last century. Between 1910-1950, radio changed its face at least once a decade. Radio had to reinvent itself in the 1950s to compete with TV, and did so successfully until the early 1990s, which by that time, radio changed again into the canned/syndicated/networked/consolidated system it has become today. Radio now has to reinvent itself once again, but to what, that would bring in listeners? A form that seems to be popular, at least here in California, is freeform radio, much like college radio, but without the college. But will radio ever take that route en masse? Who knows? It's still too early to tell. Radio has largely become uninteresting to listen to, and rarely responsive to what the listeners want anymore. You know it's gotten bad when the commercials are more interesting than the actual programming! > Of course, broadcasters will need to sustain themselves financially > in some way, but as > people become less and less dependent on commercial radio for their > morning commute > or afternoon drive home it is clear that the current broadcast model > has got to change. As I said, radio does need to reinvent itself once again, but under the current system, it does not look likely. > It reminds me of the days when a sponsor would underwrite an entire > radio or TV show > and had so much power that they could dictate the show's content, > actors and so forth. > Thankfully those days are gone (in part because people were turning > their receivers off). It worked pretty good for a couple decades, at least- Some fantastic work came from that era. It couldn't work any more when full network control of broadcasters gave way to network affiliation, and then in turn to independent broadcvasting, at least in radio, until more recent times. (Note: If you really what to understand what I meant, check out the history of NBC, particularly the radio networks, and how the US Government got so fed up with NBC's almost monopolistic control of the airwaves than NBC's two networks had to be split into two companies- NBC and ABC- and were forced to reduce network programming on its stations.) > The same thing has to happen to commercial radio. Like you, I don't > know what the > solution is but I do believe that, since it is the public airwaves > we're talking about, it is the > public whom broadcasters (and along with them the FCC, The RIAA, NAB, > etc.) will have to > involve in their future. What's sad is that none of them currently seem interested in the public- It's all sideways business, and we, the public, are the losers. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jul 25 00:13:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20170 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2004 07:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2004 07:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2004 07:13:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2004 07:13:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 07:13:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 343 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.79 Subject: Commercials on radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie You know what the worst part about commercials on radio is? It's not that there are commercials- As I said previously, some commercials are more interesting than the programs they're on. It's when they're repeated frequently. You know, how many times in an hour must you hear the same commercial? Once per hour is enough. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Sun Jul 25 01:12:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98041 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2004 08:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2004 08:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail2.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.13) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2004 08:12:16 -0000 Received: from csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98C154031; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:12:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC1854037; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:12:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6P8CEqr018977; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:12:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:12:13 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Cc: amstereoforum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.13 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: [amstereoforumaustralia] Melbourne DX Tuner now live!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Dave wrote: > Just logged on to this radio, MW reption is not that great. loaction > is Mount Macedon so how far is that from the transmitter Ian ? 45 miles for most stations. Probably 60 miles from 3MP. > What station did I try first ?...3MP of course! Signal strengh is > very weak though :-( Magic 693 is only s 1 also but's it's great to > hear these stations live anyway and in good quality 3MP is really now the ugly sister of Melbourne's commercial stations. It's amazing how the mighty can fall. 10 years ago it was owned by Westgo and was the top station overall - beating the AM talk heavyweights and the FM music stations. After so many ownership and format changes it's a mere shadow of itself. It used to rate 14.5 - now it's lucky to get 3. I guess the reason for Magic 693's success is that it's so consistent and has a very strong owner - Southern Cross - the most powerful owner of AM stations. It's just celebrated its 10th birthday. 10 great years of AM stereo music. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 25 20:51:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92360 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2004 03:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2004 03:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51605.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.210) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2004 03:51:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20040726035148.38428.qmail@web51605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.73.131] by web51605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:51:48 PDT Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:51:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, radio-tech@broadcast.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.210 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Ol' Lenny gets tough X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Leonard Kahn has submitted some recent filings to the FCC with regard to the IBOC fiasco.... in this one, he claims that IBOC violates FCC rules. Kahn also mentions his progress (or lack thereof) in getting his "Cam-D" system on the air for testing; he claims it has so far been tested on 880 KRVN in Nebraska: http://tinyurl.com/5vhfc __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jul 26 09:16:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16710 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2004 16:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2004 16:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2004 16:16:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2004 16:16:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:16:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040726035148.38428.qmail@web51605.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 479 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: Ol' Lenny gets tough X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Kahn also mentions his progress (or lack thereof) in getting his "Cam-D" > system on the air for testing; he claims it has so far been tested on > 880 KRVN in Nebraska: > Yeah.....and recent reports state that it was pulled off the air after 3 days because it sounded so bad. Me thinks it's time for ol' Lenny to retire. His meds are about to wear off, and that could be scary. Tom Ray WOR From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 26 09:54:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75581 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2004 16:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2004 16:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2004 16:54:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20040726165328.2225.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:53:28 PDT Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:53:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.70 From: "John P." Subject: More BS from the NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Here's more BS from the NRSC/NAB about their IBOC "Generation 3" testing. How convenient, they "forgot" to have their first generation AM testing in this new test to show how pitiful it was. -Also, can anyone verify if they used a full 10KHz for their analog AM tests? - What's the AM bandwidth on these products in their test: Sony CFD-S22? Technics SA-EX110P-K? Delphi 09394139? Pioneer KEH-1900? I see that they didn't bother to test the Caddy AM stereo AMAX radio, or the GE SuperRadioIII, nor did they transmit stereo analog audio using an Orban 9100 with stereo, just a plain 9200 processor. Go to the ECFS 99-325 and read the latest or go to the link: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_documen t=6516285308 They also say the LP Filter on the Optimod was NRSC or 4.5KHz (so which was it?) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 26 13:26:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8883 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2004 20:26:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2004 20:26:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2004 20:26:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2004 20:25:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:25:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 470 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.131 Subject: Re: Ol' Lenny gets tough X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > Kahn also mentions his progress (or lack thereof) in getting his > > "Cam-D" system on the air for testing; he claims it has so far > > been tested on 880 KRVN in Nebraska > > Yeah.....and recent reports state that it was pulled off the air > after 3 days because it sounded so bad. Well, it's all a matter of perspective. For example, I think WOR's IBOC should be pulled off the air because it sounds so bad. But I'm not an engineer, so who am I to argue? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 26 14:12:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61994 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2004 21:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2004 21:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2004 21:12:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20040726211237.82490.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:12:37 PDT Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:12:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1090837086.3114.48303.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.144 From: "John P." Subject: Lenny's KRVN? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio KT wrote: > Leonard Kahn has submitted some recent filings to the FCC with regard to > the IBOC fiasco.... in this one, he claims that IBOC violates FCC rules. > Kahn also mentions his progress (or lack thereof) in getting his "Cam-D" > system on the air for testing; he claims it has so far been tested on > 880 KRVN in Nebraska: > I wish he would post what it sounded like. Was it the digital noise that they didn't like? What if he just had mono digital as an option? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 26 17:40:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33996 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2004 00:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2004 00:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2004 00:40:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2004 00:40:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:40:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040726165328.2225.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 765 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.7 Subject: Re: More BS from the NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Here's more BS from the NRSC/NAB about their IBOC "Generation 3" > testing. How convenient, they "forgot" to have their first > generation AM testing in this new test to show how pitiful it was. Also the goal of "CD-quality" FM IBOC appears to be a thing of the past. Now, the "fidelity performance goal" of FM IBOC is that "frequency response and distortion fidelity should be comparable to or better than the best [analog] FM". And if the "best" analog FM is determined by the stations with the highest ratings, then that's a pretty lousy baseline of comparison, considering the artifact-laden source material (especially commercials) and grossly over-processed audio that is nearly universal among "competitive" commercial FM stations these days. From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Jul 26 19:04:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15089 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2004 02:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2004 02:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2004 02:04:07 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9937A72ABA7 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 01:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4DF61A0214 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040726220053.01c43ea0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:05:02 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <20040726165328.2225.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More BS from the NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OOO can I name stations that sound horrible around here. WSTW 93-7, up to a few month ago they sounded better then some I've heard. But now they're up there with our lovely friend Mr. Clipping along with WPLJ, WNJT 94.5 the halk, and WJBR.FM stations that sound good include Magic 98.3 WMGQ, 100.1 WJRZ-FM, 98.5 - WBBO, and 95.1 - WAYV. Though WAYV pitch shifts, which I also cannot stand, but is the way of most CHR's and some Hot AC's these days. Another station that sounds bad that I just thought of is WIXM. WMWX sounds okay but they pitch shift. End of rant. John At 12:40 AM 7/27/2004 +0000, you wrote: >> Here's more BS from the NRSC/NAB about their IBOC "Generation 3" >> testing. How convenient, they "forgot" to have their first >> generation AM testing in this new test to show how pitiful it was. > >Also the goal of "CD-quality" FM IBOC appears to be a thing of the >past. Now, the "fidelity performance goal" of FM IBOC is that >"frequency response and distortion fidelity should be comparable to >or better than the best [analog] FM". And if the "best" analog FM is >determined by the stations with the highest ratings, then that's a >pretty lousy baseline of comparison, considering the artifact-laden >source material (especially commercials) and grossly over-processed >audio that is nearly universal among "competitive" commercial FM >stations these days. > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 26 19:26:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3832 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2004 02:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2004 02:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2004 02:26:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2004 02:26:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:26:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040726220053.01c43ea0@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1425 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.7 Subject: {AMSF} Re: More BS from the NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > OOO can I name stations that sound horrible around here. > WSTW 93-7, up to a few month ago they sounded better then some I've heard. But now they're up there with our lovely friend Mr. Clipping along with WPLJ, WNJT 94.5 the halk, and WJBR. 94.5 "The Hawk" (actually WTHK) is not only over-processed, they're also over-modulated. They sound louder on the dial than any properly modulated FM station -- you can compare then with NJ101.5, which is processed to be ear-bleedingly loud, but is keeping their modulation within legal limits, according to their engineer. And FM receivers vary in how much they can tolerate overmodulation, so on some radios (especially car radios with narrower IFs), "The Hawk" sounds awfully distorted. > FM stations that sound good include Magic 98.3 WMGQ, 100.1 WJRZ-FM, > 98.5 - WBBO, and 95.1 - WAYV. "Magic 98.3" (sister station to WCTC 1450 AM Stereo) is just about the only commercial FM station I can stand listening to anymore. Their audio is still fairly compressed, but they've turned down the clipping so that there is no annoying bass distortion or "grundge". They also play music directly from CDs, so the audio is clean and artifact-free. And on the AM side, WCTC sounds better than they have in years -- I just won a Denon TU-680NAB on eBay, so when it arrives I'll be sure to make some new recordings of WCTC in hi-fi AM Stereo for everyone to enjoy. From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Jul 26 22:30:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65278 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2004 05:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2004 05:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2004 05:30:46 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040727053044.XQOZ11583.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@cox.net>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 01:30:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:30:40 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Cc: amstereo@topica.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <194741B3-DF8E-11D8-9493-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.34 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Fwd: CGC #643 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Here's an interesting one. I am not checking the credentials of the=20 referenced author for the IBOC article (see " THE SKELETONS IN IBOC'S=20 CLOSET"), but I wouldn't mind hearing from some IBOC supporters. The=20 story SOUNDS credible, and the technical details SOUND like disaster. Begin forwarded message: From: Robert Gonsett Date: Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:27:22 PM America/Los_Angeles To: w6vr@amsat.org Subject: CGC #643 __________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE CGC COMMUNICATOR CGC #643 Tuesday, July 27, 2004 ________ Robert F. Gonsett, W6VR, Publisher Copyright 2004, Communications General=AE Corporation (CGC) ------------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________________________________________ MEXICO ADOPTS U.S. HDTV STANDARD Mexico has formally adopted the U.S. (ATSC) Digital Television Standard for terrestrial broadcasting. Since Canada adopted the same standard in 1997, it can now be said that ATSC is the North American DTV standard. ATSC has also been adopted by South Korea (November 1997) and Argentina (October 1998). http://www.atsc.org/news_information/press/2004/PR_Mexico_7-7-4.pdf ****************************************************************** THE SKELETONS IN IBOC'S CLOSET "Those IBOC sidebands from other stations are killing our fringe listeners, why didn't you tell me this was coming?" Those could well be the words of a radio GM scolding the station's Chief Engineer for not sounding the alarm bell about AM & FM IBOC ("HD Radio") and the damage IBOC's first adjacent channel sidebands can do to the fringe-area signals of radio stations - perhaps your station. From what we have seen, the AM IBOC system is particularly prone to causing interference. If there is one article in the past six months that should be considered MANDATORY READING for every radio engineer - as well as the SCT (Mexico's FCC) - it is this one: "A Look at the Digital Horizon" on page 8 of Radio Guide for July 2004. As Project Leader, Radio Broadcast Systems, at the Communications Research Center in Ottawa, Canada, the author was responsible for research on new digital radio broadcast technologies. Download the entire magazine by clicking on the URL below (high speed Internet connection recommended), then go to page 8 of the pdf. This is important reading. Don't let your eyes glaze over. You need to translate the salient points for the top brass at your station. (The audio time delay built into IBOC broadcast equipment is a detriment not mentioned in the article, but one that you will probably want to discuss as well. That delay is a killer for certain broadcast applications.) http://www.oldradio.com/jul.pdf ****************************************************************** FCC FORFEITURE WATCH - SELECTED ITEM WPHX (AM&FM), Sanford, Maine, have been fined $13,600 each ($27,200 total) for failure to maintain a meaningful managerial and staff presence at its main studio, and failure to maintain the public inspection file at the main studio. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-04-2159A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-04-2160A1.doc ****************************************************************** AN E-MAIL FAILURE CGC's Internet Service Provider has suffered a major server failure. While CGC can send e-mail, we cannot receive any mail. The problem began Sunday night and will hopefully be resolved by the close of business on Tuesday. ****************************************************************** MISCELLANEOUS ****************************************************************** TELESCOPING FIBERGLASS MAST Here's a handy gadget. The Mast Company has announced the availability of a 32 foot fiberglass telescopic pole ($115) suitable for supporting lightweight items. The pole collapses to 46 inches for transportation and storage. According to the company, these poles are "very strong" and were "originally designed for windsocks." Stackable Aluminum tubing and other assorted goodies are also available from The Mast Company. (As usual, this is not an advertisement, just a gratis announcement on a product CGC found interesting.) http://www.tmastco.com/ ****************************************************************** URL FOR QUALCOMM STORY ON AIRBORNE CELL PHONES Last week we mentioned that Qualcomm executive Irwin Jacobs was in the air aboard a chartered American Airlines jetliner showing reporters how easily wireless phone calls could be made without interfering with aircraft navigation systems. The Qualcomm story appeared at a registration-required web site, and we refuse to subject our readers to that kind of site. Fortunately, USA Today also carried the story, and you may read the complete text registration-free at: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/2004-07-16-jet-phones_x.htm ****************************************************************** LOCAL ITEMS FROM THE FCC (FCC TYPOS TOO) ****************************************************************** NEW FM CHANNELS Though not precisely "local news," a Notice of Proposed Rule Making has been issued concerning new FM drop ins for the following California communities: Coalinga, Mecca, Randsburg, San Joaquin and Wasco: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-04-2267A1.doc ****************************************************************** FM STATION APPLICATION FOR LICENSE TO COVER GRANTED BLH-20040316AFH KRCV 19088 UNIVISION RADIO LICENSE CORPORATION E 98.3 MHZ WEST COVINA, CA Lic. to cover ****************************************************************** LOW POWER FM APPLICATIONS FOR ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION PERMIT DISMISSED BNPL-20000605ABO NEW 123960 CONCORDIA UNIVERSITY IRVINE E 101.5 MHZ IRVINE, CA Low Power FM CP New Stn. ____________ BNPL-20000605ADT NEW 124093 WARNER AVENUE BAPTIST CHURCH E 101.5 MHZ NEWPORT BEACH, CA Low Power FM CP New Stn. __________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------ The CGC Communicator is published for broadcast engineering professionals in so. 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The views expressed in our newsletters do not necessarily reflect those of Communications General=AE Corporation, Bext, or the newsletter editor. ------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________ End _______________________________ From tomray@wor710.com Tue Jul 27 04:29:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62287 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2004 11:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2004 11:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2004 11:29:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2004 11:29:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:29:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 408 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Ol' Lenny gets tough X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray > > Well, it's all a matter of perspective. For example, I think WOR's > IBOC should be pulled off the air because it sounds so bad. > > But I'm not an engineer, so who am I to argue? The report is that the station ownership, management, and employees pulled it. I saw someone else post that they wish Lennie posted what it sounded like. Don't place any bets on that. It's probably "proprietary". From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 06:52:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77771 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2004 13:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2004 13:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2004 13:52:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20040727135210.39148.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.91] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:52:10 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:52:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Ol' Lenny gets tough X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > > > > Well, it's all a matter of perspective. For > example, I think WOR's > > IBOC should be pulled off the air because it > sounds so bad. > > > > But I'm not an engineer, so who am I to argue? > > The report is that the station ownership, > management, and employees > pulled it. I saw someone else post that they wish > Lennie posted what > it sounded like. Don't place any bets on that. > It's > probably "proprietary". So is IBOC. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 06:58:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21900 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2004 13:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2004 13:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2004 13:58:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2004 13:57:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:57:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040727135210.39148.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 404 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Ol' Lenny gets tough X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee >> I saw someone else post that they wish Lennie posted what > > it sounded like. Don't place any bets on that. > > It's probably "proprietary". Has anyone on this board ever sent an e-mail to someone in Kahn's company and received a reply? If so, you should post that e-mail address so that we can all bombard them with requests for mp3 samples of CAM-D. Let's get our hands on some evidence! From tomray@wor710.com Tue Jul 27 10:02:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21752 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2004 17:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2004 17:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2004 17:02:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2004 17:01:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:01:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040727135210.39148.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 770 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: Ol' Lenny gets tough X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > It's > > probably "proprietary". > > > So is IBOC. > > Powell > The software coding is proprietary, as is any commercial piece of software. Their testing and stations that have the system on the air is far from it and is very public. If you've ever owned a piece of Kahn's equipment, you'll note that the manual is stamped all over the place that it is proprietary. And if I'm not mistaken, he is no longer shipping manuals with his gear....you need to call the factory for anything you do with his stuff, from setup to normal maintenance adjustments. Sorry, but if I'm off the air, I better have a manual around on the piece that took me off. Tom Ray WOR From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Jul 27 15:14:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40441 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2004 22:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2004 22:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.188) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2004 22:14:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:48:54 -0700 Received: from 24.129.153.213 by bay12-dav14.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:48:54 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:24:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2004 21:48:54.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[8355EB60:01C47423] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.188 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.129.153.213] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Ol' Lenny gets tough X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > Yeah.....and recent reports state that it was pulled off the air after 3 days because it sounded so bad. As were the first two generations of HD Radio. The fact of the matter is "John Q Public" is going to expect sound quality from HD Radio that is as good or better than XM because HD Radio is "Digital". With the low bitrate required to stay in the bandwidth of Mediumwave AM, it just ain't going to happen. We would all be much better off to get rid of the NRSC mask and go back to full fidelity analog AM Stereo broadcasting and let each station decide which system they want to use, ISB or C-QUAM. Bob Carver proved how good AM radio could sound by playing CDs from a reference quality CD player into a tube amp and into a C-QUAM transmitter then through a t TX-11b tuner with an A-B Switch. When several editors for high end audiophile magazines switched back and forth from the CD to the TX11b tuner, the few that said they heard a difference picked the AM tuner over the CD player! For real AM improvement, the FCC should reduce nighttime signals to 1970 levels on all but the Class C "Graveyard" channels. It is QRM that is destroying AM radio as much as programming. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 16:20:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37361 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2004 23:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2004 23:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2004 23:20:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2004 23:19:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:19:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1123 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.141 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Ol' Lenny gets tough X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > Yeah.....and recent reports state that it was pulled off the air > > after 3 days because it sounded so bad. > > As were the first two generations of HD Radio. Actually, as the NRSC test reports indicate, many listeners actually prefer the sound of first-generation FM IBOC over that of the current-generation FM IBOC. Due to an "oversight" (gee, how coincidental!), a direct comparison between 1st and 3rd-generation AM IBOC systems were not made, but at least from the brief clip I've heard, 1st-gen AM IBOC also sounded better than the current "HDC" codec. And if Mr. Ray brags about how Cam-D was pulled off KRVN after three days, perhaps he should recall the case of WWDB in Philadelphia, which had their IBOC on the air for less than a week before it was permanently turned off. And also WPAT and WZRC in the NYC area, which had IBOC on for only a few weeks before they also discontinued it permanently. This means that out of the three AM stations in the New York metropolitan area that have experimented with IBOC, only one (WOR) is still using it today. Not a very encouraging sign, is it? From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 27 16:53:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87493 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2004 23:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2004 23:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2004 23:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.124.111.180 with login) by smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2004 23:53:09 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c47434$711772a0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:49:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.81 From: Subject: we wouild be better off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Ya we would be much better off if all the broadcasters would stay with c-quam. At least you would not hear the SHSHSHSHSH!!!!!!! from the IBOC signal. I have never herd the hash noise from C-quam like i do from KCBS AM 740's IBOC signal. And thats at a 100 miles. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 19:39:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24537 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2004 02:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2004 02:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 02:39:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2004 02:39:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:39:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c47434$711772a0$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 527 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 209.179.168.53 Subject: Re: we wouild be better off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 You should hear the screech it makes when they shut it off at sunset. Tom BTW, KCBS is in mono. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang Ya we would be much better off if all the broadcasters would stay with c-quam. At least you would not hear the SHSHSHSHSH!!!!!!! from the IBOC signal. I have never herd the hash noise from C-quam like i do from KCBS AM 740's IBOC signal. And thats at a 100 miles. Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 20:17:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52232 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2004 03:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2004 03:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 03:17:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2004 03:17:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:17:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 363 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.150 Subject: Re: we wouild be better off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, tom_richard1980@y... wrote: > You should hear the screech it makes when they shut it off at sunset. > > Tom > > BTW, KCBS is in mono. ....And always has been. (I think Jim's point is comparing KCBS's noise output to any sort of "interference" AMS on any station- KABL, for example- has ever caused.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 27 21:59:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32294 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2004 04:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2004 04:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 04:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@69.105.82.8 with login) by smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 04:59:14 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4745f$3559a8c0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:52:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.184 From: Subject: exsackly X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Exsackly!!!!!! I know pore spelling. Am Stereo has never put out that kind constant noise ever. And i have been lissening to am stereo for about 14 to 15 years and my first was the TM 152. It souned better back in the 15khz days. With a good stong stereo signal the TM 152 sounded wide as hell. TV's and dimmer switchs still suck and you can hardly hear KCBS's anlog signal over it's owen SHSHSHSHS on TM 152. Its not nearly so bad on my UX-1 though. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Jul 27 22:06:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55691 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2004 05:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2004 05:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 05:06:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2004 05:06:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:06:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1037 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.149.33.246 Subject: Re: Ol' Lenny gets tough X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > If you've ever owned a piece of Kahn's equipment, you'll note that > the manual is stamped all over the place that it is proprietary. And > if I'm not mistaken, he is no longer shipping manuals with his > gear....you need to call the factory for anything you do with his > stuff, from setup to normal maintenance adjustments. Sorry, but if > I'm off the air, I better have a manual around on the piece that took > me off. Kahn's biggest problem is Leonard Kahn. I don't know of any other manufacturer who would do that with a manual, or wouldn't even SHIP a manual with a product. No need to be so paranoid. If you've done the proper paperwork, nobody can rip off your design w/o a lawsuit. I've heard about little black boxes and such (you should have seen the instruction sheet on what to do with Gregg Labs processors to "hide them" in racks so nobody will know... or the Somich "one to a market" processors), but this is carried away. From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Jul 27 22:57:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99709 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2004 05:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2004 05:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 05:57:36 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040728055735.OPVI25208.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:57:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:57:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <059B5E33-E05B-11D8-AA01-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.34 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Ol' Lenny gets tough X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any story link to that? I've never heard it anywhere but here (not doubting it, but would like the story for reference). Richard On Monday, July 26, 2004, at 09:24 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Bob Carver proved how good AM radio could sound by playing CDs from a > reference quality CD player into a tube amp and into a C-QUAM > transmitter > then through a t TX-11b tuner with an A-B Switch. When several editors > for > high end audiophile magazines switched back and forth from the CD to > the > TX11b tuner, the few that said they heard a difference picked the AM > tuner > over the CD player! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 23:55:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58372 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2004 06:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2004 06:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 06:55:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2004 06:55:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:55:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 539 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.150 Subject: Re: Ol' Lenny gets tough X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > Kahn's biggest problem is Leonard Kahn. That goes without saying, sadly. I mean, I have NOTHING against ISB, or anything like that, but Kahn has repeatedly made a nuisance of himself over the last nearly-50 years since he first introduced one of his ISB schemes. I think when he passes on, many of us will breathe a collective sigh of relief. The worst kind of AMS proponent is the kind who becomes destructive at others. *ahem* Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 00:54:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47207 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2004 07:53:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2004 07:53:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 07:53:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.126.220.55 with login) by smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 07:53:23 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c47477$882569a0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:50:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.187 From: Subject: KCBS AM 740 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang You know what guys thay are not braging about there IBOC signal on there site. So i wonder if thay are just testing the pile. It my not be on much longer. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 01:56:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63526 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2004 08:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2004 08:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.179) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 08:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.126.220.55 with login) by smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 08:56:02 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c47480$4ab617a0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:53:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.179 From: Subject: KCBS message X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys I just sent KCBS AM 740 a message of what i know and what i can hear out hear. " Hi guys I am about a 100 air mile from your station and 35 miles NE from Sacramento Ca. And i can hear your stations groud wave signal well out hear. I can also hear your IBOC noise maker out hear to. On some of my radios thats all you can hear is SHSHSHS!!!!! I thought you guys would like to know. Is your IBOC stereo or mono just wondering? Oh well there are'nt that many IBOC radios out haer yet any way. I thank that more poeple would hear you guys in C-QUAM Am Stereo than thay would hear you in IBOC because anlog am stereo has been around for 22 years and no SHSHSH!!!!! Thanks for your time . Jim Smith P.S Am Stereo is cheaper to buy!!!!! " Any way thats what i sent them i don't know if i am going to get a reply or not. I will see. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 28 14:06:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20216 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2004 21:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2004 21:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 21:06:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2004 21:06:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:06:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c47477$882569a0$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 905 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.10 Subject: Re: KCBS AM 740 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Hi Gang You know what guys thay are not braging about there IBOC > signal on there site. So i wonder if thay are just testing the > pile. It my not be on much longer. Jim Smith Most stations that are using IBOC are not bragging about it on the air... especially on AM, where listeners might get upset about "false advertising" because the IBOC station would be boasting about their "Hi-Fi Digital Stereo!!" and all people hear on their radio is a low-fidelity mono signal that sounds *worse* than all the other AM stations on the dial. 710 WOR used to mention the fake call sign "WOR-HD" in their hourly ID, but they stopped doing that about a year ago. Meanwhile, 102.7 WNEW mentions "High Definition HD Radio" in their houly ID, which is not only redundant, but is also incorrect, since the HD in "HD Radio" does *not* stand for "High Definition", at least not according to iBiquity. From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jul 28 14:41:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71244 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2004 21:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2004 21:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 21:41:42 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.240]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:45:42 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c474eb$9520ae20$f0b30642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:41:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: HD & TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to wonder- does the public have any idea what is supposed to happen with terrestrial TV? Do they even have a clue that all of their Tv's and VCR's are going to become useless in a couple or 3 years? The same thing makes me wonder why all the people involved in HD radio are so hell bent on this digital BS when no one cares? They will never recoup their investment. They want IBOC to carry info- who will see this info? With all the money being thrown away on this whole mess, someone must see something I sure don't. CC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 28 17:32:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1053 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2004 00:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2004 00:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2004 00:32:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2004 00:32:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:32:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c474eb$9520ae20$f0b30642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1080 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.142 Subject: Re: HD & TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have to wonder- does the public have any idea what is supposed to > happen with terrestrial TV? Do they even have a clue that all of > their Tv's and VCR's are going to become useless in a couple or 3 > years? I seriously doubt there will be a mandatory shutdown of all analog TV in 2006... and due to marketing hype about "digital" this and "digital" that, most people already believe they are watching digital TV and listening to digital radio. So HDTV and "HD Radio" need other ways to distinguish themselves, rather than just being "digital". HDTV can offer widescreen video, but most people only care about this for watching DVDs, rather than for TV, so most widescreen TV sets do not have a built-in DTV tuner. Similarly, the iBiquity folks are realizing that "digital radio" by itself is not an attraction, so they are starting to heavily push things like a second audio channel or 5.1 surround sound -- things that some consumers may have an interest in, and things that most likely will not be available from AM IBOC, due to its limited data bandwidth. From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Jul 28 17:46:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54780 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2004 00:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2004 00:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2004 00:46:01 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.224] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:45:55 -0600 Message-ID: <004d01c47505$9928f120$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <001c01c474eb$9520ae20$f0b30642@4bmx301> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:47:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2004 00:45:56.0119 (UTC) FILETIME=[6877E270:01C47505] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD & TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude AM and FM are having to catch up to satellite in datacasting. Satellite was able to jump ahead of the curve since it was designed that way from the bottom up whereas terrestrial radio's is a retrofit. People may not be able to see the data now, except those with RDS-equipped receivers, but I suspect they're soon going to expect that sort of thing on terrestrial broadcasts since they now have it on XM and Sirius. That's my educated guess, anyway. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > The same thing makes me wonder why all the people involved in HD radio are so hell bent on this digital BS when no one cares? They will never recoup their investment. They want IBOC to carry info- who will see this info? > With all the money being thrown away on this whole mess, someone must see something I sure don't. From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Jul 28 17:49:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13493 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2004 00:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2004 00:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2004 00:49:56 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.224] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:49:55 -0600 Message-ID: <005301c47506$28190b40$d503fea9@home1> To: Cc: "Scott Todd" References: <194741B3-DF8E-11D8-9493-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:51:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2004 00:49:55.0879 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7605B70:01C47505] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: CGC #643 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That was precisely the point of some of my comments to the FCC on the whole IBOC mess. We've got listeners on the fringes who go through all sorts of trouble to hear us, especially at night, and I didn't want to lose a single one. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" THE SKELETONS IN IBOC'S CLOSET "Those IBOC sidebands from other stations are killing our fringe listeners, why didn't you tell me this was coming?" http://www.oldradio.com/jul.pdf From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 28 17:58:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97579 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2004 00:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2004 00:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52003.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2004 00:58:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20040729005826.55494.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.32.15] by web52003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:58:26 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:58:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c47434$711772a0$c188fea9@jimsmith> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.59 From: JNR Subject: WPEP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio On Sunday, July 25th WPEP wired in a stereo (4-pole, double throw) automation switch which will bring in the stereo audio past the switch to the EAS relay panel, which when wired will go to the telephone link. 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Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Jul 28 19:08:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26325 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2004 02:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2004 02:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2004 02:08:31 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040729020829.IXHH14309.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:08:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:08:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <348F18E0-E104-11D8-9E72-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.28 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCBS AM 740 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Then it's only incorrect, not redundant ... On Wednesday, July 28, 2004, at 02:06 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > WNEW mentions "High Definition HD Radio" in their houly ID, which is > not only redundant, but is also incorrect, since the HD in "HD Radio" > does *not* stand for "High Definition", at least not according to > iBiquity. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jul 29 00:38:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29873 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2004 07:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2004 07:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2004 07:38:25 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.103]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 03:42:46 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c4753e$fd469520$67b10642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 03:38:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD & TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the whole TV situation is insane, myself- People are buying these LCD and Plasma TV's- why? The pictures are downright miserable! A business contact of our company is with Best Buy, and their sales people are instructed to keep these sets away from conventional raster scan TV's, because the side by side comparison makes the old TV's look a LOT better. Projection TV's are particularly bad- If they have the wide screen format, the circuit that fills up the screen to wide aspect function makes people look squatty. Plasma TVs are over-saturated, and have poor life spans. Yet the people still buy them........ cc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Jul 29 02:43:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73194 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2004 09:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2004 09:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2004 09:43:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2004 09:42:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:42:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001801c4753e$fd469520$67b10642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 434 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.17.134 Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD & TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I think the whole TV situation is insane, myself- People are buying these LCD and Plasma TV's- why? The pictures are downright miserable! Perhaps NTSC color plasma's look worse than PAL sets ? as the 42" ones I've seen in my local 'comet' store look good to me and we don't even have a HD service yet (2006) I read that they have lifespan of 7 years... From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Jul 29 09:17:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81504 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2004 16:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2004 16:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2004 16:17:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2004 16:15:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:15:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 942 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD & TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq There have been plasma monitors running 24/7 in our master control for years after Barco no longer supported the tube monitors we had. They look excellent when fed with a proper HDTV signal. That's something that the people in Best Buy or your local consumer electronics store seem hard pressed to do. These people have no idea what they're doing. Even the digital signal from our local cable affilitate looks very acceptable on the plasma displays. I've had to bypass the TV department in many stores where HDTV sets are on display. I know I'll get in an argument with their sales people over why something they say looks good is crap to me. Jerry WA2FNQ Ex Manager of RF Systems (retired) HBO > > Perhaps NTSC color plasma's look worse than PAL sets ? as the 42" > ones I've seen in my local 'comet' store look good to me and we don't > even have a HD service yet (2006) I read that they have lifespan of > 7 years... From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Jul 29 09:22:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91369 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2004 16:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2004 16:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.241.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2004 16:22:40 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040729161844.PUSH6135.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:18:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:18:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.33 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD & TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They look quite good to me as well. And, they ARE placed next to=20 traditional sets in stores near me. Richard On Thursday, July 29, 2004, at 02:42 AM, Dave wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > I think the whole TV situation is insane, myself- People are buying > these LCD and Plasma TV's- why? The pictures are downright miserable! > > Perhaps NTSC color plasma's look worse than PAL sets ? as the 42" > ones I've seen in my local 'comet' store look good to me and we don't > even have a HD service=A0 yet (2006) I read that they have lifespan of > 7 years... > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jul 29 12:54:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68136 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2004 19:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2004 19:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2004 19:54:14 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.177]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:58:18 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c475a5$bd29bfa0$b1b50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:53:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD & TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I wasn't clear enough..... Plasma sets DO look ok "when receiving a good HD signal". I meant to write that LCD sets are horrible for their picture quality, but as for a computer monitor, they look great. Now, earlier LCD TV's with small screens and active matrix screens look great- My Sony GV-300 is 14 years old, and the picture is crystal clear. All the Direct view LCD TV's I have seen have bleary, out of focus pictures. The LCD projection tv's seem a bit better. Also- 7 year life from a Plasma panel is unacceptable considering the cost. I still think a high quality CRT TV is the best picture I have seen yet. cc From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 14:01:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68710 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2004 21:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2004 21:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2004 21:01:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2004 21:01:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:01:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 643 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.20 Subject: FM music station dumps Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As posted to the NY Radio Message Board: Posted by Ari Indik on July 29, 2004 at 12:36:38: In Reply to: Re: Re: Re: Digital radio question posted by Dave Silverstein on July 29, 2004 at 00:54:28: WWZZ Waldorf, MD (104.1 "Z-104") has recently converted to mono for their Rock AC format, apparently to increase their coverage into Washington, DC. I think it sounds horrible, but they persist. When I mention it to other people who listen to the station, they say they hadn't noticed, so maybe giving up stereo for coverage is worth it (assuming the coverage is actually better). The ratings are down, but that may not be the reason. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 14:13:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92668 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2004 21:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2004 21:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2004 21:13:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2004 21:13:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:13:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c475a5$bd29bfa0$b1b50642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 506 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.20 Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD & TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I wasn't clear enough..... Plasma sets DO look ok "when receiving > a good HD signal". Even Consumer Reports magazine recently mentioned that LCD/plasma TVs have poorer video quality than regular picture-tube TV sets when displaying a conventional analog NTSC signal. Which makes sense, because the NTSC standard was designed to work around the limitations of color picture tubes. So when you digitize the signal and display it on an LCD or plasma screen, the conversion is never 100% lossless. From pmount2@att.net Thu Jul 29 15:38:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pmount2@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87804 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2004 22:38:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2004 22:38:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net) (204.127.131.117) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2004 22:38:31 -0000 Received: from 204.127.135.59 ([204.127.135.59]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2004072922381411300qkq44e>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:38:14 +0000 Received: from [12.20.58.68] by 204.127.135.59; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:38:28 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:38:28 +0000 Message-Id: <072920042238.13673.41097C640009A557000035692160280651CD9B029A01039F@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 19 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cG1vdW50MkBhdHQubmV0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.131.117 From: pmount2@att.net Subject: Re: HD& TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192157907 X-Yahoo-Profile: mount142 >>Do they even have a clue that all of their Tv's and VCR's are going to become useless in a couple or 3 years?>> Are they really? Are you sure of that timetable? for in 1997, I almost got a new TV, until I heard that "HDTV would be introduced in 1998..." So I held off and 6 years later you're starting to hear about occasional broadcasts in HD, like they used to say "the following program is brought to you IN COLOR on NBC..." (Damn...that's an ancient memory that just popped to my head!) Guess that meant that two stations in town would start broadcasting on the UHF band in HD, not that my analog TV would be obsolete in '98...how about in '08? From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 19:19:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33087 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2004 02:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2004 02:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2004 02:19:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20040730021919.29298.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.99] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:19:19 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:19:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD & TV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Dave wrote: > Perhaps NTSC color plasma's look worse than PAL sets > ? as the 42" > ones I've seen in my local 'comet' store look good > to me and we don't > even have a HD service yet (2006) I read that they > have lifespan of > 7 years... If it's off a NTSC content sat provider they look terrible due to the extremely poor bandwidth of the Dish stuff. And lifespan of under 5 years, more like around 3 is Plasma. DLP will be the new winner here. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From brian60420@yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 20:10:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23273 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2004 03:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2004 03:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2004 03:10:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2004 03:09:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:06:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1149 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "brian60420" X-Originating-IP: 64.53.200.81 Subject: Re: FM music station dumps Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 They must be short on capital. It makes no sense to go mono unless=20 you're loosing your shirt financially. What does mono gain you? 5-10=20 miles better S/N? Maybe it's a crappy format and too many commercials? In an age where TV is stereo, Satellite is stereo, CD's, MP3's and=20 the Internet is in stereo, why do station managers insist on mono?=20 Step back in time with me=85=85.Hello 1960! brian --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > As posted to the NY Radio Message Board: >=20 >=20 > Posted by Ari Indik on July 29, 2004 at 12:36:38: >=20 > In Reply to: Re: Re: Re: Digital radio question posted by Dave=20 > Silverstein on July 29, 2004 at 00:54:28: >=20 > WWZZ Waldorf, MD (104.1 "Z-104") has recently converted to mono for=20 > their Rock AC format, apparently to increase their coverage into=20 > Washington, DC. I think it sounds horrible, but they persist. When=20 I=20 > mention it to other people who listen to the station, they say they=20 > hadn't noticed, so maybe giving up stereo for coverage is worth it=20 > (assuming the coverage is actually better). The ratings are down,=20 but=20 > that may not be the reason. From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Thu Jul 29 20:23:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97473 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2004 03:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2004 03:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2004 03:23:31 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7985E729E0D for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 02:32:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678291A01DF for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 02:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040729231710.02a9b080@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:24:39 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FM music station dumps Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've heard them in mono. It sounds horrible. I called the on-air studio to ask about it. The DJ, thinking that I was pro= bably a listener and not a geek said that it was a new, better system and w= hen I asked about increased coverage, he said yeah but more that this new s= ystem was great. You know what I say? B.S. Probably no new system, and they sounded a lot be= tter in stereo. I was down there, and would have recorded an aircheck if it had been in ste= reo. It was stereo as of 12/28/2003. I know as I got it as a DX target then. (Re= corded an aircheck of that faithful morning, too.) However, on 4/8/2004 when the format flipped (I have the aircheck of this s= o I know), it was mono then. Not sure quite when the stereo lite went off. But sometime between December and April. Its stupid, really stupid. I don't get it any better then I did before. Nev= er o got it good unless it was a good DX night or day. To much interferenc= e from WAEB/WPHI. John (Bensalem, PA) At 03:06 AM 7/30/2004 +0000, you wrote: >They must be short on capital. It makes no sense to go mono unless=20 >you're loosing your shirt financially. What does mono gain you? 5-10=20 >miles better S/N? Maybe it's a crappy format and too many commercials? > >In an age where TV is stereo, Satellite is stereo, CD's, MP3's and=20 >the Internet is in stereo, why do station managers insist on mono?=20 > >Step back in time with me=85=85.Hello 1960! > >brian > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 >wrote: >> As posted to the NY Radio Message Board: >>=20 >>=20 >> Posted by Ari Indik on July 29, 2004 at 12:36:38: >>=20 >> In Reply to: Re: Re: Re: Digital radio question posted by Dave=20 >> Silverstein on July 29, 2004 at 00:54:28: >>=20 >> WWZZ Waldorf, MD (104.1 "Z-104") has recently converted to mono for=20 >> their Rock AC format, apparently to increase their coverage into=20 >> Washington, DC. I think it sounds horrible, but they persist. When=20 >I=20 >> mention it to other people who listen to the station, they say they=20 >> hadn't noticed, so maybe giving up stereo for coverage is worth it=20 >> (assuming the coverage is actually better). The ratings are down,=20 >but=20 >> that may not be the reason. > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >=20 John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN:=20 RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Thu Jul 29 20:28:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25592 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2004 03:28:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2004 03:28:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO twix.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2004 03:28:10 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 480CB10329EE for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9D610344AE for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040729232501.02aa3fd8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:29:24 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.71 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FM music station dumps Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm going to add something here. For being a locally owned station (I think Bonvill owns it), its a good for= mat with live, local DJ's 24/7. Always tried to compete agenst WIHT "Hot 99-5", where as before it was the = only game in town for Top40. I believe in all the years it has been on the air between its Top40/CHR, th= en Modern AC formats, the stereo lite was never off! Even when it was oldie= s before all of that, stereo was on it. Now they go mono? For a more Hot AC "new" type of format? Bleh. It really d= oes stink. At 03:06 AM 7/30/2004 +0000, you wrote: >They must be short on capital. It makes no sense to go mono unless=20 >you're loosing your shirt financially. What does mono gain you? 5-10=20 >miles better S/N? Maybe it's a crappy format and too many commercials? > >In an age where TV is stereo, Satellite is stereo, CD's, MP3's and=20 >the Internet is in stereo, why do station managers insist on mono?=20 > >Step back in time with me=85=85.Hello 1960! > >brian > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 >wrote: >> As posted to the NY Radio Message Board: >>=20 >>=20 >> Posted by Ari Indik on July 29, 2004 at 12:36:38: >>=20 >> In Reply to: Re: Re: Re: Digital radio question posted by Dave=20 >> Silverstein on July 29, 2004 at 00:54:28: >>=20 >> WWZZ Waldorf, MD (104.1 "Z-104") has recently converted to mono for=20 >> their Rock AC format, apparently to increase their coverage into=20 >> Washington, DC. I think it sounds horrible, but they persist. When=20 >I=20 >> mention it to other people who listen to the station, they say they=20 >> hadn't noticed, so maybe giving up stereo for coverage is worth it=20 >> (assuming the coverage is actually better). The ratings are down,=20 >but=20 >> that may not be the reason. > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >=20 John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN:=20 RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 23:00:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40207 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2004 06:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2004 06:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2004 06:00:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2004 06:00:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 06:00:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040729231710.02a9b080@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1062 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.2 Subject: {AMSF} Re: FM music station dumps Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I've heard them in mono. It sounds horrible. One "gotcha" about FM Stereo is that with very heavily processed audio, a station's signal can actually "kick up" additional multipath distortion in the receiver. So the station mistakes this problem for the noise and interference of a weak signal, and compensates by turning off the stereo. That does provide a cleaner, "stronger"- sounding signal... but so would simply backing off on the processing by a few notches. And speaking of FM, I noticed that the FM tuner in Volkswagen's current OEM car radios sounds especially dull. Well, I finally got a chance to measure the frequency response of one: the FM audio drops off sharply at 12.5 kHz. So with those few upper kHz's of audio response missing, there is a noticeable lack of clarity and crispness. On the other hand, its AM tuner is better than average, with good response up to 6 kHz -- but again, above that point it drops off very sharply, as typical of a DSP-based tuner design, rather than the more gradual slope of an analog filter. From chris@lledgerock.com Fri Jul 30 15:20:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47176 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2004 22:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2004 22:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2004 22:20:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2004 22:20:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:20:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1158 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Chris" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.161.66 Subject: {AMSF} Re: FM music station dumps Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 I noticed that with mine, especially when switching from CD, tape or XM (apologies goes to the anti-xm crowd, and the xm goes thru the tape) to FM, I need to ramp up the treble to its fullest and bring up the mid range a bit for a while, untill I get used to it. Yes the AM does sound great on it! I also notice that the radio DXs real well, one time last summer I was getting 89 WLS during the DAYTIME! Anyway, is there a way to widen the FM IF without major surgery? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > And speaking of FM, I noticed that the FM tuner in Volkswagen's > current OEM car radios sounds especially dull. Well, I finally got > a chance to measure the frequency response of one: the FM audio > drops off sharply at 12.5 kHz. So with those few upper kHz's of > audio response missing, there is a noticeable lack of clarity and > crispness. On the other hand, its AM tuner is better than average, > with good response up to 6 kHz -- but again, above that point it > drops off very sharply, as typical of a DSP-based tuner design, > rather than the more gradual slope of an analog filter. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Jul 30 18:28:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45652 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2004 01:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2004 01:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.181) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2004 01:28:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:27:09 -0700 Received: from 24.129.153.213 by bay12-dav7.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:14:17 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <059B5E33-E05B-11D8-AA01-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:17:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2004 01:27:09.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F6EB000:01C4769D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.181 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.129.153.213] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Ol' Lenny gets tough X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Carver used to pull this stunt with his TX-11a and later his TX-11b AM Stereo tuners at the Consumer Electronics Shows in the late 1980s. He also bragged about it in audiophile magazines, along with the results of his side by side A-B tests of his "Brick" audio power amplifiers compared to reference quality tube amps. Bob Carver cooked up some whacky ideas, but he also made some of the sweetest sounding stereo equipment that has ever been manufactured. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:57 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Ol' Lenny gets tough > Is there any story link to that? I've never heard it anywhere but here > (not doubting it, but would like the story for reference). > > Richard > > On Monday, July 26, 2004, at 09:24 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > > > Bob Carver proved how good AM radio could sound by playing CDs from a > > reference quality CD player into a tube amp and into a C-QUAM > > transmitter > > then through a t TX-11b tuner with an A-B Switch. When several editors > > for > > high end audiophile magazines switched back and forth from the CD to > > the > > TX11b tuner, the few that said they heard a difference picked the AM > > tuner > > over the CD player! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 31 01:24:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72287 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2004 08:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2004 08:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2004 08:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.15.207 with login) by smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2004 08:23:40 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c476d7$43d698c0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 01:20:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.80 From: Subject: am stereo and fm stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang It dose not make any sence to me eather that a station will go back to mono from stereo when thay know that there are thousans of stereo radios in there market. AM's exscuse is that there is not any stereo receivers out there at all wich is not true and with resorce like this web site and others we can bring even more am stereo to am markets!!!! Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From redledge78@yahoo.com Sat Jul 31 22:06:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: redledge78@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27804 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 05:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 05:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 05:06:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2004 05:06:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 05:06:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 167 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "redledge78" X-Originating-IP: 209.179.168.36 Subject: AM Stereo Tuner Irony X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59652447 X-Yahoo-Profile: redledge78 Just my luck... the stereo light on my Denon TU-680 NAB tuner is acting up. It keeps switching rapidly between stereo and mono. Fortunately, it's only on FM. Tom From redledge78@yahoo.com Sat Jul 31 22:08:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: redledge78@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72761 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 05:08:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 05:08:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 05:08:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2004 05:08:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 05:08:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c47480$4ab617a0$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 151 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "redledge78" X-Originating-IP: 209.179.168.36 Subject: Re: KCBS message X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59652447 X-Yahoo-Profile: redledge78 I sent them an e-mail myself. Especially about that digi-noise. Also, they're definitely in mono. If stereo's good enough for KNX, why not KQW? From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jul 31 23:25:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77518 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 06:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 06:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 06:25:57 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040801062555.YXVK14309.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 02:25:55 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 23:25:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.28 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCBS message X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stereo's not good enough for KNX. They shut it off a long time ago,=20 supposedly in preparation for IBOC. On Saturday, July 31, 2004, at 10:08 PM, redledge78 wrote: > I sent them an e-mail myself.=A0 Especially about that digi-noise. > > Also, they're definitely in mono.=A0 If stereo's good enough for KNX, > why not KQW? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 01 00:29:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19268 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 07:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 07:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 07:29:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2004 07:29:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 07:29:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 856 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.37 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCBS message X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > Stereo's not good enough for KNX. They shut it off a long time ago,=20 > supposedly in preparation for IBOC. I wouldn't say a year is a "long time ago", but your mileage may=20 vary. :) Anyhoo.. > On Saturday, July 31, 2004, at 10:08 PM, redledge78 wrote: >=20 > > I sent them an e-mail myself.=A0 Especially about that digi-noise. > > > > Also, they're definitely in mono.=A0 If stereo's good enough for=20 KNX, > > why not KQW? KCBS never needed stereo- They didn't see the point, being an all- news station, so the studio has never been wired for it, ever. (KQW was KCBS's callsign from the 1920s-1950s, and just so happens to=20 be the oldest radio station in the world, whose first broadcast=20 started in 1909 as station "FN". http://www.charlesherrold.org/ ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Sun Aug 01 09:19:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28658 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 16:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 16:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 16:19:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2004 16:19:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:19:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <348F18E0-E104-11D8-9E72-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 604 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: KCBS AM 740 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray "HD Radio" is an iBiquity trademark, and must be mentioned as "HD Radio" when referring to the system. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Then it's only incorrect, not redundant ... > > On Wednesday, July 28, 2004, at 02:06 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > > WNEW mentions "High Definition HD Radio" in their houly ID, which is > > not only redundant, but is also incorrect, since the HD in "HD Radio" > > does *not* stand for "High Definition", at least not according to > > iBiquity. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Sun Aug 01 09:27:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21938 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 16:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 16:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 16:27:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2004 16:27:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:27:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c476d7$43d698c0$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1311 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: am stereo and fm stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray There was a station in a market I worked in that....every Sunday morning...would shut off the stereo pilot and play music from the 60's and 70's, just the way you heard them the first time....in mono. They called it the Back to Mono show, and it did very well for them. Shutting off the stereo on an FM will have the effect of a listener being able to take the station farther before it starts picket fencing and breaking up. The mono signal from 0-15kHz is much more robust than the stereo component living from 23kHz to 53kHz when demodulated. Also, this will allow them to increase the mono modulation from 45% to 100%, making the signal that much more robust and louder. Standard FM stereo modulation levels are : mono 45%, stereo subchannel, 45%, 19kHz stereo pilot, 10%. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang It dose not make any sence to me eather that a station will go back to mono from stereo when thay know that there are thousans of stereo radios in there market. AM's exscuse is that there is not any stereo receivers out there at all wich is not true and with resorce like this web site and others we can bring even more am stereo to am markets!!!! Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sun Aug 01 09:33:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47383 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 16:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 16:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 16:33:53 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 70E1777C63 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:20:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994CC1A01E8 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040801123104.02a0ae78@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:35:12 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c476d7$43d698c0$c188fea9@jimsmith> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: am stereo and fm stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, How many listeners even notice stereo? Probably very few notice AM Stereo mainly because 1. Receivers (most of them() do not have AM Stereo standard. 2. Most stations don't broadcast in AM Stereo. 3. Of the ones that do, its hard to find music formats with mass appeal. Not to mention the formats for music is usually standards on AM. Do people notice if a station is not broadcasting in stereo on the FM? I ask this as FM Stereo has become standard, stations usually broadcast in stereo, and there are much more choices for music on the FM band. John At 04:27 PM 8/1/2004 +0000, you wrote: >There was a station in a market I worked in that....every Sunday >morning...would shut off the stereo pilot and play music from the >60's and 70's, just the way you heard them the first time....in >mono. They called it the Back to Mono show, and it did very well for >them. > >Shutting off the stereo on an FM will have the effect of a listener >being able to take the station farther before it starts picket >fencing and breaking up. The mono signal from 0-15kHz is much more >robust than the stereo component living from 23kHz to 53kHz when >demodulated. Also, this will allow them to increase the mono >modulation from 45% to 100%, making the signal that much more robust >and louder. Standard FM stereo modulation levels are : mono 45%, >stereo subchannel, 45%, 19kHz stereo pilot, 10%. > >Tom Ray >WOR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sun Aug 01 12:09:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88565 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 19:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 19:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 19:09:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2004 19:09:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:09:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 67 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 209.179.168.56 Subject: KNX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 KNX is back in mono? I'll have to check my radio tonight.... Tom From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Aug 01 13:02:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42247 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 20:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 20:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao12.cox.net) (68.230.241.27) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 20:02:43 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040801200241.LKFF7567.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:02:41 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:02:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.27 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} KNX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BACK to mono? They've been mono since dropping stereo. On Sunday, August 1, 2004, at 12:09 PM, tom_richard1980@yahoo.com=20 wrote: > KNX is back in mono?=A0 I'll have to check my radio tonight.... > > Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Aug 01 13:06:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94442 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 20:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 20:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 20:06:20 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.23.190] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:06:18 -0600 Message-ID: <004901c47803$380e1ae0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:07:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2004 20:06:18.0970 (UTC) FILETIME=[02291BA0:01C47803] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FM music station dumps Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think that's set in the firmware. If you knew how to extract the codes and reprogram them, then it might work. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" > > Anyway, is there a way to widen the FM IF without major surgery? > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 01 13:39:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65224 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 20:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 20:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 20:39:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2004 20:39:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 20:39:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 595 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.12 Subject: Re: am stereo and fm stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Also, this will allow them to increase the mono modulation from > 45% to 100%, making the signal that much more robust and louder. > Standard FM stereo modulation levels are : mono 45%, > stereo subchannel, 45%, 19kHz stereo pilot, 10%. If you're going to tally it up to 100% like that, then wouldn't the IBOC subcarriers (if present) get a "piece of that pie" as well? WNEW and WNYC-FM don't seem to have reduced their analog modulation levels at all since they began using IBOC. I also don't hear any increase in loudness when WNYC-FM switches from stereo to mono for talk programs. From kya1260@lycos.com Sun Aug 01 13:57:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22111 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 20:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 20:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 20:57:25 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 301A118016EB for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:57:25 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Aug 2004 20:55:04 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0CE28CA06C; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:57:25 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [69.111.57.26] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:57:25 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:57:25 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040801205725.0CE28CA06C@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 69.111.57.26 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCBS message X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ That's true about KCBS (KQW) being the oldest world station in the world; according to Art Finley (ret.), Don Mosely and Ken Ackerman each worked for over 50 years at that station, since the days the station was in San Jose... 50 YEARS - at 1 STATION! Wow...won't see much of that phenomenon anymore... BTW, interestingly, KCBS was not the first commercial radio station west of the Mississippi River. That distinction belongs to KWG in Stockton (1921), the station where my radio career began... Best, --Jay Arnold KVYN-FM/KVON AM-Stereo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > (KQW was KCBS's callsign from the 1920s-1950s, and just so happens to > be the oldest radio station in the world, whose first broadcast > started in 1909 as station "FN". http://www.charlesherrold.org/ ) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 01 14:40:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89684 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 21:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 21:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 21:40:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2004 21:40:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 21:40:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 338 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.12 Subject: Re: KCBS AM 740 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > "HD Radio" is an iBiquity trademark, and must be mentioned as > "HD Radio" when referring to the system. iBiquity has a "trademark style guide" on how you are allowed to refer to the system and use its logo: http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/hdradio_getstarted.htm From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sun Aug 01 15:35:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54258 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 22:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 22:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 22:35:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2004 22:35:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:35:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 751 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "dbdigital2004" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.210.90 Subject: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: According to Sunday's (8/1) Orange County (CA) Register radio column, teens spend 8.5 hours per week listening to radio, compared with 11 hours a year ago. The column speculated that one reason for this is that teens have other options, including downloading music to create their own radio stations. Corporate media, aided and abetted by the FCC and NAB, continually seek ways to keep the public airwaves out of the hands of the public. In response, the public have flipped corporate media the collective bird and turning to other methods for music programming. And it seems that teens, who have made devices like the iPod so successful, are leading the way. db From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sun Aug 01 15:39:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53901 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 22:39:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 22:39:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 22:39:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2004 22:39:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:39:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 762 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "dbdigital2004" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.210.90 Subject: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: According to Sunday's (8/1) Orange County (CA) Register radio column, teens spend 8.5 hours per week listening to radio, compared with 11 hours a year ago. The column speculated that one reason for this is that "teens have other options now, including downloading music to create their own radio stations." Corporate media, aided and abetted by the FCC and NAB, continually seek ways to keep the public airwaves out of the hands of the public. In response, the public have flipped corporate media the collective bird and are turning to other methods for music programming. And it seems that teens, who have made devices like the iPod so successful, are leading the way. db From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sun Aug 01 15:47:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99234 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 22:47:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 22:47:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO twix.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 22:47:42 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F1E9103CDFD for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 22:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22EE275212F for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 21:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040801184758.029b8ca8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 18:49:03 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.71 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sorry but LOL. The colllective bird! I love it! They're like screw the radio. I want my Ipod! LOL At 10:39 PM 8/1/2004 +0000, you wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > >According to Sunday's (8/1) Orange County (CA) Register radio column, teens spend 8.5 >hours per week listening to radio, compared with 11 hours a year ago. The column >speculated that one reason for this is that "teens have other options now, including >downloading music to create their own radio stations." > >Corporate media, aided and abetted by the FCC and NAB, continually seek ways to keep >the public airwaves out of the hands of the public. In response, the public have flipped >corporate media the collective bird and are turning to other methods for music >programming. >And it seems that teens, who have made devices like the iPod so successful, are leading >the way. > >db > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 01 15:50:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59979 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 22:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 22:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 22:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.124.97.100 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 22:50:03 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c47819$793be360$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:47:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.84 From: Subject: knx am 1070 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang KNX AM 1070 is on the list of stations going IBOC. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 01 15:59:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72856 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 22:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 22:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 22:59:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20040801225920.6844.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.108] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:59:20 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:59:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Tuner Irony X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- redledge78 wrote: > Just my luck... the stereo light on my Denon TU-680 > NAB tuner is > acting up. It keeps switching rapidly between > stereo and mono. > Fortunately, it's only on FM. > > Tom When 12 were ordered by the SCBA ( South Carolina Broadcasting Association ) when they were new, 8 were DEAD out of the box, and my friend has one...the others failed (the method of yours) within 6 months. My friends remaining unit does the same thing. Talk to Denon I guess, but don't expect much. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sun Aug 01 17:30:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43363 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 00:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 00:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 00:29:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2004 00:29:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 00:29:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040801225920.6844.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 799 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 209.179.168.34 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Tuner Irony X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I just took it to an authorized dealer. I'll find out about it this month. Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- redledge78 wrote: > > > Just my luck... the stereo light on my Denon TU-680 > > NAB tuner is > > acting up. It keeps switching rapidly between > > stereo and mono. > > Fortunately, it's only on FM. > > > > Tom > > > When 12 were ordered by the SCBA ( South Carolina > Broadcasting Association ) when they were new, 8 were > DEAD out of the box, and my friend has one...the > others failed (the method of yours) within 6 months. > My friends remaining unit does the same thing. Talk to > Denon I guess, but don't expect much. > > > Powell > > > ===== > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Aug 01 18:54:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94716 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 01:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 01:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 01:54:24 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040802015420.HFAT14309.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 21:54:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:54:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040801225920.6844.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.28 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Tuner Irony X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What was wrong with them? I's not like Denon is known as a lousy=20 company ... or are they? I do recall being turned off by little things when I reviewed it and=20 the Carver tx11b. I ended up buying the Carver and returning the Denon.=20 The Carver still works well. Richard Wagoner On Sunday, August 1, 2004, at 03:59 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > --- redledge78 wrote: > > > Just my luck... the stereo light on my Denon TU-680 > > NAB tuner is > > acting up.=A0 It keeps switching rapidly between > > stereo and mono.=A0 > > Fortunately, it's only on FM. > > > > Tom > > > When 12 were ordered by the SCBA ( South Carolina > Broadcasting Association ) when they were new, 8 were > DEAD out of the box, and my friend has one...the > others failed (the method of yours) within 6 months. > My friends remaining unit does the same thing. Talk to > Denon I guess, but don't expect much. > > > Powell > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > powell@pcmessages.com=A0 http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 01 19:13:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57743 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 02:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 02:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 02:13:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20040802021341.66340.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.105] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:13:41 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 19:13:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Tuner Irony X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > What was wrong with them? I's not like Denon is > known as a lousy > company ... or are they? Poor quality control on these units. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Aug 01 19:53:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51820 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 02:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 02:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 02:53:26 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id r.dd.10aebbc3 (3890) for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 22:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 22:53:24 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.1 From: Bossmsx@aol.com Subject: 1629?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dumb question: I have recently managed to get my hands on a Sony SRF-M100 radio, which is 9khz. steps only. I'd like to take a trip to the San Diego area, and test it out with XEUT/1630....Being a 9khz. step radio, this means I'd have to settle for 1629 khz....Will I still be able to get a good, clean signal on XEUT? Or will it sound 'mistuned'? --tony s. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 01 22:34:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72532 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 05:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 05:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 05:34:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2004 05:34:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 05:34:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040801184758.029b8ca8@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1543 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.130 Subject: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > I'm sorry but LOL. > The colllective bird! I love it! > They're like screw the radio. I want my Ipod! > LOL It isn't that far-fetched, if you have a clue to what the teen & college-age markets are really listening to! For starters, the youth in America today listen to much the same as what the European youth listen to- Techno, and lots of it. The difference is, techno is easily marketed in Europe whereas here, the music industry has been quite adverse to market it. It comes from t5his attitude of playing it safe, not rocking the boat, etc. The music industry has gotten too bland, and with the very limited playlists issued by very few broadcast corporations, all sticking to strictly mainstream stuff, whatever the genre actually is, and you have a recipe for disaster. The RIAA is not getting its sales because no-one wants to hear the music, so let's blame the MP3 downloaders for stealing the music no- one's really interested in! The broadcasters get shafted, since they're required by royalty contract to play only RIAA music, and no-one wants to tune in, and non-RIAA music rocks the boat, as it were, so... Blame the MP3 downloaders for listening to stuff they're not licensed to broadcast! Is it really that bad? Yep. And they still have no clue what the public wants- They stopped request lines, they stopped CD single sales.... What next? There literally is no such thing as "Top 40" any more in America. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Aug 02 00:33:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64108 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 07:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 07:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 07:33:49 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.216]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 03:38:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c47863$050ab620$d8b40642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 03:33:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Tuner Irony X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 In the service industry, we call them "Demon" for obvious reasons- Their amps and receivers have a "Turbo-F***" mode- one part goes bad, and you replace 15 parts. We dropped them from our authorized servicer list due to abysmal parts availability. As equipment becomes cheaper to buy, we find quality and durability is going out the window- and it's not just limited to Denon- All the big names except perhaps Yamaha have suffered greatly in recent years. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" To: Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Tuner Irony What was wrong with them? I's not like Denon is known as a lousy company ... or are they? From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Aug 02 00:36:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60761 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 07:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 07:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 07:36:50 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.216]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 03:41:22 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c47863$6e8630c0$d8b40642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 03:36:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1629?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony, it will sound fine- My Sony Sona-hawk boombox is the same way- it even sounds great when the station is even farther away than only 1 khz. I do not notice any rasping at all. The stereo will pop in fine as long as the target staion is not more than 2 khz away. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Bossmsx@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: {AMSF} 1629?? Dumb question: I have recently managed to get my hands on a Sony SRF-M100 radio, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Aug 02 00:44:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75988 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 07:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 07:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 07:44:11 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.216]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 03:46:24 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c47864$22e03c00$d8b40642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 03:41:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One ipod user summed it up very well- "I have 700 songs right now on my ipod, and in random mode, every song I hear will be a surprise, and one I like" .....Kinda hard to argue with that... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 1:34 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > I'm sorry but LOL. > The colllective bird! I love it! > They're like screw the radio. I want my Ipod! > LOL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 02 05:07:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43537 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 12:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 12:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52006.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.62) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 12:07:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20040802120607.5747.qmail@web52006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.48.92] by web52006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 05:06:07 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 05:06:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001f01c47864$22e03c00$d8b40642@4bmx301> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.62 From: JNR Subject: Road Trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio There are 2 stations in stereo in the Burlington/Plattsburgh and Montreal areas: 800/CJAD-Montreal (N/T) 1340/WIRY-Plattsburgh, N.Y. (Local Full Service) Jay __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From tomray@wor710.com Mon Aug 02 10:33:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23628 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 17:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 17:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 17:33:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2004 17:33:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 17:33:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040801123104.02a0ae78@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 955 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: am stereo and fm stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray John: I think you're right. Most listeners don't even pay attention. And frankly, with the blend to mono and high frequency blend most auto FM radios have, the public has gotten used to it (it drives me nuts!), and I don't think they notice or care about stereo! And what is scarier.....I live way outside the City, and went to the dentist this morning, which is right around the corner from my house. They normally have an AC station on in the office, and this morning it was some local talk show that was kind of out there....I live in a much smaller market. Anyway, I asked him, "What the hell do you have on the radio?" He said that was a good question, and asked one of the ladies in the office to put on their "usual" station. Not one person on his staff knew which station they usually had on. I did and told them the frequency. And I'm in their office what...once every 6-12 months?? Now that's very scary! Tom Ray WOR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 02 15:03:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85384 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 22:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 22:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 22:03:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2004 22:03:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:03:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c47863$6e8630c0$d8b40642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1001 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.138 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1629?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Tony, it will sound fine- My Sony Sona-hawk boombox is the same > way- it even sounds great when the station is even farther away > than only 1 khz. I do not notice any rasping at all. The stereo > will pop in fine as long as the target staion is not more than > 2 khz away. With the help of a Terk AM Advantage antenna, my Japanese Panasonic walkman has been able to tune in AM Stereo stations in 9 kHz channel spacing mode as far as 4 kHz away from the correct frequency. For example, I could receive 950 WPEN in Stereo when tuned to 954 kHz (the nearest 9 kHz-spacing channel). I have one German-made Becker car radio that tunes in 3 kHz steps on AM (it was one of their first digital-tuning radios, from 1981). That means no matter what channel spacing is used by the AM stations in your area, you are never tuned more than 1 kHz away from the intended frequency. The newer Beckers (since the mid-'80s) are even better, with 1 kHz fine-tuning on AM and .025 MHz fine-tuning on FM. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 02 15:48:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62578 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 22:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 22:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 22:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.126.221.252 with login) by smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 22:48:00 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c478e2$5abd1660$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:45:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.80 From: Subject: KFRC 610 AM and 99.7 FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I know that KFRC 610 AM mono and 99.7 FM Stereo takes reqests depending on what dj is on dudy. Thay have a 24 hour dj staff to. I gess thats kind or rare to. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 02 16:06:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38285 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 23:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 23:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 23:06:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20040802230630.91070.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.44.46] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:06:30 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:06:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.143 From: "John P." Subject: Streaming instead of Digital?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Instead of working so hard (and spending a ton of money) to make analog radio into a semi-digital mode, why aren't broadcast stations fighting to get their stations back streaming on the Internet?? Leave analog radio alone, and use your resources to get your station back streaming on the Internet!! It's the best way to get to the youngsters - stream at a low rate for dial-up, and a nice high-speed stream for broadband! If the kids are on their computers, give them a real radio station to listen to! Your advertisers get more exposure too. Who knows, they might even tune into your station via RF after listening on the Internet? Here's what radio used to be like in the USA - take a listen to the broadcasting service on the Isle of Mann (MANX Radio). They have no voicetracking, all live, and Bernie Quayle takes ALL REQUESTS (from 5pm - 8pm eastern time). They play what their audience wants! They have only a 20KB stream, but you can get the jist that people there actually enjoy radio - too bad we can't do the same in the States anymore. Here's the link to Manx Radio: http://www.manxradio.com/listen/index.shtml __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Aug 02 17:38:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39168 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 00:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2004 00:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 00:38:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2004 00:38:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 00:38:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c478e2$5abd1660$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 479 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.130 Subject: Re: KFRC 610 AM and 99.7 FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang I know that KFRC 610 AM mono and 99.7 FM Stereo takes reqests depending on what dj is on dudy. Thay have a 24 hour dj staff to. I gess thats kind or rare to. Jim Smith It is, because local talent isn't cheap. Considering these are oldies stations, you're more likely to have rrequest lines. Not like they NEED to make any particular song "popular" or sell for the labels. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Aug 02 17:50:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92666 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 00:50:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2004 00:50:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 00:50:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2004 00:50:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 00:50:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040802230630.91070.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1292 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.130 Subject: Re: Streaming instead of Digital?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Instead of working so hard (and spending a ton of money) to make analog radio > into a semi-digital mode, why aren't broadcast stations fighting to get their > stations back streaming on the Internet?? Leave analog radio alone, and use > your resources to get your station back streaming on the Internet!! John, I couldn't agree with you more. However, the problem in this case comes from the RIAA, who have dictated outlandish royalty fees and stipulations against certain types of recordings- Commercials, namely. Internet radio in America, just like broadcast radio, is stifled. If it weren't for a few certain broadcasts, all I would listen to is overseas stations, now- Namely RTE in Ireland and the BBC in the UK. I'm sorry, but America has rolled over and played dead, becoming so complacant with the freedoms we've had that we can't see that we stopped being a truly free society many years ago. All media and entertainment is now in the hands of a very few- A few so powerful they can dictate demands to stifle any competition or any alternative. And you- US- The American people, the Citizens of these 50 United States, have let them. Perhaps we deserve what we get? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Aug 02 18:39:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50307 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 01:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2004 01:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 01:39:06 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.216] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:38:53 -0600 Message-ID: <001101c478fa$dbbd7440$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:40:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2004 01:38:54.0489 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2FD6890:01C478FA] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I remember how a lot of people back in the 70s would trash perfectly good OEM car radios for ones with cassette decks. I suppose the net has made getting a variety of music a lot easier, but back then I never knew anyone who had more than a handful of hissettes that they played ad nauseum. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "dbdigital2004" > > Corporate media, aided and abetted by the FCC and NAB, continually seek ways to keep > the public airwaves out of the hands of the public. In response, the public have flipped > corporate media the collective bird and turning to other methods for music programming. > And it seems that teens, who have made devices like the iPod so successful, are leading > the way. From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Aug 02 18:56:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7659 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 01:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2004 01:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 01:56:16 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.216] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:56:13 -0600 Message-ID: <004901c478fd$47d4bd80$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:57:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2004 01:56:14.0677 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EFD8050:01C478FD] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude God help us all- and they'll be taking care of me in my old age? Almost makes me want to die young (relatively speaking.) I'd really be depressed if I didn't know that CDs such as "O Brother, Where Art Thou" were also popular in sales though not on the radio. If I owned a station, that's the sort of thing I'd want to program. As for your comment that broadcasters are "required" to play only RIAA music, where did you come up with that one? If a station wanted to play all indie music, they bloody well could and not pay RIAA a dime. The late Simon Geller operated his little one-lung classical station for decades without paying fees by playing music written by long deceased composers. (I was tempted to say long decomposed composers...) :) There, I gave in! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > For starters, the youth in America today listen to much the same as > what the European youth listen to- Techno, and lots of it. The > difference is, techno is easily marketed in Europe whereas here, the > music industry has been quite adverse to market it. > > The RIAA is not getting its sales because no-one wants to hear the > music, so let's blame the MP3 downloaders for stealing the music no- > one's really interested in! > > The broadcasters get shafted, since they're required by royalty > contract to play only RIAA music, and no-one wants to tune in, and > non-RIAA music rocks the boat, as it were, so... Blame the MP3 > downloaders for listening to stuff they're not licensed to broadcast! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 02 19:08:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87706 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 02:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2004 02:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51606.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.211) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 02:08:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20040803020823.28246.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.92.19] by web51606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 19:08:23 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:08:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, radio-tech@broadcast.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.211 From: "Kevin T." Subject: IBOC vs. TIS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I just found out that my town has a license for a 10-watt TIS (Traveller's Information Service) station. The licensed as granted a few years ago, and the FCC database even lists the exact location of its transmitter site. But yet, this TIS is not on the air and as far as I know, it probably has never been active, even though its license remains valid until 2007. As for the reason why it's not on the air, I wonder if it's merely a coincidence that there's a 50,000-watt IBOC station right next to it on the dial, clobbering that TIS's assigned frequency with a continuous stream of "hash" from sunrise to sunset every day? It is not uncommon for TISes to be licensed on frequencies where second- adjacent or even first-adjacent broadcast stations are present; in the NYC area, there are a plethora of TISes on 530 and 1610 kHz, despite the presence of licensed stations like 540 WLIE and 1600 WWRL. The folks at 1680 WTTM even had to deal with a _co-channel_ TIS on 1680 kHz within their coverage area until the FCC finally forced that TIS to change frequency. So this begs the question... if an AM station fires up IBOC, and the resulting digital sidebands end up clobbering a neighboring TIS, does the TIS automatically lose? Can the owners of the TIS file a complaint about the interference from the IBOC station, or is their only recourse (aside from going dark) to change frequency, if possible? _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Aug 02 19:29:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9020 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 02:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2004 02:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 02:29:19 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by smtp-out.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D2A807061E for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4773C6A982E for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040802222745.02a4df38@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:28:56 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004901c478fd$47d4bd80$d503fea9@home1> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL Scott! Well just think, if they had died shortly they may be mummified composers! LOL John At 08:57 PM 8/2/2004 -0500, you wrote: >GoThe late Simon >Geller operated his little one-lung classical station for decades without >paying fees by playing music written by long deceased composers. (I was >tempted to say long decomposed composers...) :) There, I gave in! > >Scott Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Amy Mousie" > >> >> For starters, the youth in America today listen to much the same as >> what the European youth listen to- Techno, and lots of it. The >> difference is, techno is easily marketed in Europe whereas here, the >> music industry has been quite adverse to market it. >> >> The RIAA is not getting its sales because no-one wants to hear the >> music, so let's blame the MP3 downloaders for stealing the music no- >> one's really interested in! >> >> The broadcasters get shafted, since they're required by royalty >> contract to play only RIAA music, and no-one wants to tune in, and >> non-RIAA music rocks the boat, as it were, so... Blame the MP3 >> downloaders for listening to stuff they're not licensed to broadcast! > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Aug 02 20:02:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29648 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 03:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2004 03:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 03:02:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20040803030249.14619.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 20:02:49 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:02:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1091484239.3268.85389.m22@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.38 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1277 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My Carver 11a gets AM Stereo on ie 1540 when my alfedo lite is tuned to 1539 ok but if its 2kHz off ie 1422(the tuner on 1420) it not AM$ but is in perfect clean mono. I noticed that the signal seems to sound better "forward"(ie if a broadcast is on 1476 it sounds better on 1480 than 1470) and is the same even on ie 1035 is better on 1040 rather than 1030 the broadcasting frequency on AM than before it. The Sony ST JX220a gets AM Stereo whatever 9 or 10khz. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: With the help of a Terk AM Advantage antenna, my Japanese Panasonic walkman has been able to tune in AM Stereo stations in 9 kHz channel spacing mode as far as 4 kHz away from the correct frequency. For example, I could receive 950 WPEN in Stereo when tuned to 954 kHz (the nearest 9 kHz-spacing channel). === message truncated === Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Aug 03 00:09:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52519 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 07:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2004 07:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 07:09:39 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.178.38]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 03:14:16 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c47928$ce69a7e0$26b20642@4bmx301> To: References: <001101c478fa$dbbd7440$d503fea9@home1> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 03:09:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my case, when I was a kid, It was an under dash Motorola 8 track with a total of 8 tapes. Iron Butterfly and Moody blues, CCR, Beatles, etc. To this day, there are some songs I cannot listen to because of self-induced "overplay". More often than not, we listened to the factory AM radio set to either WKBW or WPTR after sunset- back when radio was GOOD. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:40 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio I remember how a lot of people back in the 70s would trash perfectly good OEM car radios for ones with cassette decks. I suppose the net has made getting a variety of music a lot easier, but back then I never knew anyone who had more than a handful of hissettes that they played ad nauseum. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 03 01:58:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28829 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 08:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2004 08:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51604.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.209) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 08:58:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20040803085831.33177.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.89.128] by web51604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 01:58:31 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:58:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.209 From: "Kevin T." Subject: AM Listener Growth Outpacing FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioandrecords.com.... Monday, Aug. 2, 2004 AM Listener Growth Outpacing FM Veronis Suhler Stevenson's annual Communications Industry Forecast predicts that AM listening will grow 6% in 2004, thanks mainly to the upcoming Presidential election. However, VSS also notes that a listener migration back to the AM band has been underway for the last few years. The merchant bank's annual report notes that AM listening has grown steadily since 2000 -- it jumped 7.3% last year -- as issues like the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the 2000 Presidential election and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq lured listeners back to the News/Talk formats that typically populate the band. While VSS expects AM growth to settle into a compound growth rate of around 4.6% over the next five years, it expects AM stations to hang on to their 20% audience share. Meanwhile, FM listenership is expected to grow at a compound rate of 2.9% over the next five years. The report also notes that the surge in AM listening cost the FM band; FM audience share slipped from 82.5% to 80.5% between 1999 and 2003. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Tue Aug 03 08:30:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77078 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 15:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2004 15:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 15:30:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2004 15:30:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 15:30:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1740 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: am stereo and fm stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray The FM stereo standard calls for 45% main channel modulation, 45% stereo difference, 10% stereo pilot. Most processors will increase the main channel to 85% or so when the stereo information is nil or close to it....ie, mono talk. This is why you won't hear much of a level difference when a station transmitting mono audio shuts off the pilot. Plus, stereo radio decoders have a way of balancing things out. If you were listening on a strictly mono radio, which is receiving only the main audio channel (mono L+R), you would definately hear a level increase, particularly if there were stereo information on the air at the time. Regardless whether stereo information is present, when the 19kHz pilot is detected, the radio will be continually looking to the 23- 53kHz region, which will get noisy before the main channel. Shutting off the pilot has the effect of the radio no longer attempting to decode audio above 23kHz, therefore less picket fencing and less noise, therefore the "increase" in coverage area. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Also, this will allow them to increase the mono modulation from > > 45% to 100%, making the signal that much more robust and louder. > > Standard FM stereo modulation levels are : mono 45%, > > stereo subchannel, 45%, 19kHz stereo pilot, 10%. > > If you're going to tally it up to 100% like that, then wouldn't the > IBOC subcarriers (if present) get a "piece of that pie" as well? > WNEW and WNYC-FM don't seem to have reduced their analog modulation > levels at all since they began using IBOC. I also don't hear any > increase in loudness when WNYC-FM switches from stereo to mono for > talk programs. From tomray@wor710.com Tue Aug 03 08:33:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36305 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 15:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2004 15:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 15:33:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2004 15:32:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 15:32:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040802230630.91070.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1675 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: Streaming instead of Digital?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Because streaming cannot be broadcast to the general public whereever they are, and appeals to a specific audience, not the masses. And yes, we are streaming. Our stream attracts nowhere near the audience of our on air signal. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Instead of working so hard (and spending a ton of money) to make analog radio > into a semi-digital mode, why aren't broadcast stations fighting to get their > stations back streaming on the Internet?? Leave analog radio alone, and use > your resources to get your station back streaming on the Internet!! > > It's the best way to get to the youngsters - stream at a low rate for dial-up, > and a nice high-speed stream for broadband! If the kids are on their > computers, give them a real radio station to listen to! Your advertisers get > more exposure too. Who knows, they might even tune into your station via RF > after listening on the Internet? > > Here's what radio used to be like in the USA - take a listen to the > broadcasting service on the Isle of Mann (MANX Radio). They have no > voicetracking, all live, and Bernie Quayle takes ALL REQUESTS (from 5pm - 8pm > eastern time). They play what their audience wants! They have only a 20KB > stream, but you can get the jist that people there actually enjoy radio - too > bad we can't do the same in the States anymore. Here's the link to Manx Radio: > > http://www.manxradio.com/listen/index.shtml > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Aug 03 09:03:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28124 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 16:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2004 16:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.241.33) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 16:03:04 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040803160302.SKMI18508.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:03:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:03:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <97C0CCF6-E566-11D8-B960-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.33 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: am stereo and fm stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is the effect (actually all of the effects) the same if a receiver is=20 set to mono as opposed to the station sending out mono? And on the=20 receiver side, is there a difference if the amp is set to mono as=20 opposed to the tuner being set to receive in mono? Range, etc. On Tuesday, August 3, 2004, at 08:30 AM, Tom Ray wrote: > The FM stereo standard calls for 45% main channel modulation, 45% > stereo difference, 10% stereo pilot.=A0 > > Most processors will increase the main channel to 85% or so when the > stereo information is nil or close to it....ie, mono talk.=A0 This is > why you won't hear much of a level difference when a station > transmitting mono audio shuts off the pilot. > > Plus, stereo radio decoders have a way of balancing things out.=A0 If > you were listening on a strictly mono radio, which is receiving only > the main audio channel (mono L+R), you would definately hear a level > increase, particularly if there were stereo information on the air at > the time. > > Regardless whether stereo information is present, when the 19kHz > pilot is detected, the radio will be continually looking to the 23- > 53kHz region, which will get noisy before the main channel.=A0 Shutting > off the pilot has the effect of the radio no longer attempting to > decode audio above 23kHz, therefore less picket fencing and less > noise, therefore the "increase" in coverage area. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > Also, this will allow them to increase the mono modulation from > > > 45% to 100%, making the signal that much more robust and louder. > > > Standard FM stereo modulation levels are : mono 45%, > > > stereo subchannel, 45%, 19kHz stereo pilot, 10%. > > > > If you're going to tally it up to 100% like that, then wouldn't the > > IBOC subcarriers (if present) get a "piece of that pie" as well? > > WNEW and WNYC-FM don't seem to have reduced their analog modulation > > levels at all since they began using IBOC.=A0 I also don't hear any > > increase in loudness when WNYC-FM switches from stereo to mono for > > talk programs. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 03 14:37:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20545 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 21:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2004 21:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 21:37:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2004 21:37:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:37:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040803030249.14619.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1213 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 68.130.158.163 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1277 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > My Carver 11a gets AM Stereo on ie 1540 when my alfedo lite is > tuned to 1539 ok but if its 2kHz off ie 1422(the tuner on 1420) it > not AM$ but is in perfect clean mono. I know that Carver did make a 9 kHz-channel-spacing version of the TX-11a tuner, but I don't know if there is a special trick to get it to switch between 9 and 10 kHz channel spacing. I have a photocopy of most of the TX-11a's Owner's Manual and it doesn't mention anything about channel spacing. Also, just like the Sony tuners, the Carver's "whistle filter" is adjusted to a factory-preset value, according to what the unit's default channel spacing is. In other words, if your tuner defaults to 10 kHz channel spacing (as would be the case with 120-volt U.S. models), then the whistle filter remains tuned to 10 kHz, even if you can manually switch the tuner into 9 kHz channel spacing mode. So if your tuner was built for U.S. use (where 10 kHz channel spacing is the default) and you bring it into a country where 9 kHz channel spacing is used, then the whistle filter will not be effective because it will remain calibrated to 10 kHz even if you can switch the tuner into (non-default) 9 kHz channel spacing mode. From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Tue Aug 03 16:40:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55074 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 23:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2004 23:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail2.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.13) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 23:40:44 -0000 Received: from csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6184354005 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:40:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au (exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au [138.194.3.56]) by csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5750E54004 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:40:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from EXVIC3-MEL.vic.csiro.au ([138.194.3.54]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:40:43 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:40:43 +1000 Message-ID: <09C09C0AED0518419ED09E022D3B3414011208F5@exvic3-mel.vic.csiro.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: am stereo and fm stereo Thread-Index: AcR5buMvIugRAon4SoaosPpXGfkMaQAQ+k0Q To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2004 23:40:43.0267 (UTC) FILETIME=[4AB48D30:01C479B3] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.13 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: am stereo and fm stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ray [mailto:tomray@wor710.com] Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2004 1:31 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: am stereo and fm stereo The FM stereo standard calls for 45% main channel modulation, 45% stereo difference, 10% stereo pilot. Sorry to hear about your Mom. She's not having a good time of it with her eyes. You know over a month ago I responded to something WOR Tom posted about IBOC. And he publicly said to send my address off-list and he'd send me a CD of what he listens to (WOR etc in IBOC I expect) as he drives to work. I'm still waiting. Glad I didn't hold my breath ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 04 01:22:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68899 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 08:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2004 08:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 08:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.14.143 with login) by smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 08:22:39 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c479fb$cc9e5fe0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 01:19:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.82 From: Subject: Delco 8 track am radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Did any budy see the Delce 8 track am radio on the EBAY? The item # is 24861184. That car radio is AM only and it has a stereo light. What i am wondering if the stereo light was for the 8 track player to show stereo tapes and mono tapes. I kind of think its to old for the am stereo war. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Aug 04 07:34:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47800 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 14:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2004 14:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 14:34:17 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.178.65]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:38:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c47a30$066333c0$41b20642@4bmx301> To: References: <000c01c479fb$cc9e5fe0$c188fea9@jimsmith> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:33:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco 8 track am radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That light only goes on when the 8 track is running.... the AM is plain old AM... Now, this was from about the time GM started using those gawdawful windshield antennas- another idea that looks like a good idea, but wasn't very AM friendly. A neighbor of mine has a Mercedes that might as well NOT have AM at all, the antenna is so bad. cc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 04 09:50:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31504 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 16:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2004 16:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 16:50:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2004 16:49:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:49:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c47a30$066333c0$41b20642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 593 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 68.122.180.149 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco 8 track am radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > That light only goes on when the 8 track is running.... the AM is plain old AM... Now, this was from about the time GM started using those gawdawful windshield antennas- another idea that looks like a good idea, but wasn't very AM friendly. A neighbor of mine has a Mercedes that might as well NOT have AM at all, the antenna is so bad. > cc > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hi Chris I wonder if the light comes on only whith stereo tapes? Need to e mail you soon. Jim Smith From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Wed Aug 04 10:20:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36714 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 17:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2004 17:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 17:20:34 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:20:34 -0700 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 17:20:34 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:20:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2004 17:20:34.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A2AAF30:01C47A47] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.45 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco 8 track am radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco 8 track am radio >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:33:34 -0400 > >That light only goes on when the 8 track is running.... the AM is plain old >AM... Now, this was from about the time GM started using those gawdawful >windshield antennas- another idea that looks like a good idea, but wasn't >very AM friendly. A neighbor of mine has a Mercedes that might as well NOT >have AM at all, the antenna is so bad. My 2004 Subaru WRX also came with the windshield antenna as this model no longer has the stick (the 2003s had the option). You're right, AM barely functions and FM is extremely directional. As much as I hated doing it, I went down to the local hardware store, purchased the necessary drill attachment, and drilled a hole in the trunk. Also, made sure the wife wasn't around as she doesn't understand putting holes in a brand-new car. >cc > Paul Crane _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Aug 04 12:43:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51143 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 19:43:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2004 19:43:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 19:43:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20040804194350.57123.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 12:43:50 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:43:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1091616813.2038.40921.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.43 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1279 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes I have the owners manual for mine and it is a US 120V one,I have several freqs for the AF so I can get some of the 10kHz ones and goes in stereo.But I don't know if it goes at 9kHz but I just use a Sony ST JX220a tuner(which will go both 9 and 10kHz) or a portable Sony if I need to dx. The Carver has the best sound fidelity wise and very clean. I reckon close to the sony second. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Message: 4 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:37:26 -0000 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Digest Number 1277 > My Carver 11a gets AM Stereo on ie 1540 when my alfedo lite is > tuned to 1539 ok but if its 2kHz off ie 1422(the tuner on 1420) it > not AM$ but is in perfect clean mono. I know that Carver did make a 9 kHz-channel-spacing version of the TX-11a tuner, but I don't know if there is a special trick to get it to switch between 9 and 10 kHz channel spacing. I have a photocopy of most of the TX-11a's Owner's Manual and it doesn't mention anything about channel spacing. Also, just like the Sony tuners, the Carver's "whistle filter" is adjusted to a factory-preset value, according to what the unit's default channel spacing is. In other words, if your tuner defaults to 10 kHz channel spacing (as would be the case with 120-volt U.S. models), then the whistle filter remains tuned to 10 kHz, even if you can manually switch the tuner into 9 kHz channel spacing mode. So if your tuner was built for U.S. use (where 10 kHz channel spacing is the default) and you bring it into a country where 9 kHz channel spacing is used, then the whistle filter will not be effective because it will remain calibrated to 10 kHz even if you can switch the tuner into (non-default) 9 kHz channel spacing mode. Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Aug 04 13:39:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93094 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 20:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2004 20:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 20:39:32 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.185.4]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:44:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c47a63$1e41db80$04b90642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:39:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco 8 track am radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, there was no magic circuit to tell if a tape was mono or stereo. The light was simply on as soon as a tape was put in. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Hi Chris I wonder if the light comes on only whith stereo tapes? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Aug 04 18:45:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35810 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 01:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2004 01:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 01:45:40 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.29] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:45:37 -0600 Message-ID: <004c01c47a8e$22a993e0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:47:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2004 01:45:38.0066 (UTC) FILETIME=[E85DDF20:01C47A8D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco 8 track am radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude As long as you're not *leasing* it! :) I'd have used a drill to initially make a pilot hole, but would use a chassis punch to make the final cutout. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Crane" > My 2004 Subaru WRX also came with the windshield antenna as this model no > longer has the stick (the 2003s had the option). You're right, AM barely > functions and FM is extremely directional. As much as I hated doing it, I > went down to the local hardware store, purchased the necessary drill > attachment, and drilled a hole in the trunk. Also, made sure the wife > wasn't around as she doesn't understand putting holes in a brand-new car. From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Aug 04 18:47:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87708 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 01:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2004 01:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 01:47:33 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.29] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:47:31 -0600 Message-ID: <005201c47a8e$67045b60$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <97C0CCF6-E566-11D8-B960-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:49:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2004 01:47:32.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[2CAFA5F0:01C47A8E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: am stereo and fm stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It does cut down on the noise but doesn't raise the audio level if the *receiver* is set to mono. Probably not for summing to a mono amp as the noise has already been let through. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:03 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: am stereo and fm stereo Is the effect (actually all of the effects) the same if a receiver is set to mono as opposed to the station sending out mono? And on the receiver side, is there a difference if the amp is set to mono as opposed to the tuner being set to receive in mono? Range, etc. > > Regardless whether stereo information is present, when the 19kHz > pilot is detected, the radio will be continually looking to the 23- > 53kHz region, which will get noisy before the main channel. Shutting > off the pilot has the effect of the radio no longer attempting to > decode audio above 23kHz, therefore less picket fencing and less > noise, therefore the "increase" in coverage area. From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Aug 04 18:48:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80356 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 01:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2004 01:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 01:48:18 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.29] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:48:16 -0600 Message-ID: <005a01c47a8e$819225c0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20040803020823.28246.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:49:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2004 01:48:17.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[47386740:01C47A8E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC vs. TIS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yep- the TIS moves or loses out. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > So this begs the question... if an AM station fires up IBOC, and the > resulting digital sidebands end up clobbering a neighboring TIS, does the > TIS automatically lose? Can the owners of the TIS file a complaint about > the interference from the IBOC station, or is their only recourse (aside > from going dark) to change frequency, if possible? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Aug 04 20:29:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30717 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 03:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2004 03:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 03:29:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2004 03:29:20 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9398 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 01:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2004 01:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 01:36:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2004 01:36:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 01:36:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 127 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: I wonder how this will compare to my SRF-42.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Aug 2004 03:29:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5712220637 I guess I'll have to wait till it arrives to find out. :) From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Aug 04 20:29:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63730 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 03:29:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2004 03:29:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 03:29:28 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-251-253-30.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.251.253.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i753TM9T013771 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001c01c47a9c$6705d9a0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20040803020823.28246.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com> <005a01c47a8e$819225c0$d503fea9@home1> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:29:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC vs. TIS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > From: "Kevin T." > > > So this begs the question... if an AM station fires up IBOC, and the > > resulting digital sidebands end up clobbering a neighboring TIS, does the > > TIS automatically lose? Can the owners of the TIS file a complaint about > > the interference from the IBOC station, or is their only recourse (aside > > from going dark) to change frequency, if possible? All Traveler's Information Service (TIS) stations are afforded no protection of any kind under any circumstances. If a new station gets allocated on a 1st adjacent and it clobbers a TIS station all the TIS station can do is try to find a different spot on the dial. It is an absolute fact that if IBOC catches on on the MW band, many class B's will be forced to go dark. I know we've discussed this many times, but WKWH in Shelbyville Indiana, a class B on 1520 kHz/1 kw days/250 watts night/DA2 will lose almost all of their nighttime coverage, including city grade coverage in their city of license as a result of IBOC sideband hash from WLAC and WSAI. It's not just a night-time issue. The WKWH transmitter is about 75 miles northeast of Cincinnati and WSAI's 50,000 watt signal will seriously affect WKWH during the day-time if they upgrade to Ibquity's IBOC HD Radio.... And WSAI is owned by Clear Channel who recently announced that they are committed to IBOC... especially in their 'big guns'; and as a 50,000 watt Class A in market #26, I would consider WSAI to be a 'big gun'. I admit that I do enjoy WSAI's programming (they play oldies and aren't limited to the usual 350 titles that are normal staples of oldies outlets) and if IBOC improves the audio and makes stereo an option (Clear Channel/Jacor has never embraced C-Quam) then I might appreciate the improved audio on WSAI but WKWH is also a great music station and the only station serving Shelbyville Indiana (their FM was sold to Emmis many years ago who moved it to Indianapolis and effectively abandoned Shelbyville). In any event, if WSAI and WLAC both adopt IOBC, WKWH's days are numbered. Period! I now this is a bit off topic from the original discussion about TIS stations, but every time I hear about IBOC, my passions get stirred. Apologies to those offended. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 04 20:39:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77258 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 03:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2004 03:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 03:39:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2004 03:38:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 03:38:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c47a9c$6705d9a0$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 935 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.5 Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC vs. TIS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The WKWH transmitter is about 75 miles northeast of Cincinnati and > WSAI's 50,000 watt signal will seriously affect WKWH during the > day-time if they upgrade to Ibquity's IBOC HD Radio.... 1530 WSAI is currently using IBOC. Normally they would have to shut it off at sunset, but WSAI continues to transmit IBOC until they switch to their nighttime signal pattern, which occurs when co-channel KFBK in Sacramento, CA switches to _their_ nighttime pattern. So, WSAI is broadcasting IBOC every evening for about three hours after local sunset -- I heard it myself last night, splashing onto 1520 WWKB (which is once again putting out a C-Quam pilot tone, by the way). I don't know if there's any specific loophole in the FCC's Preliminary IBOC report which allows this, but that's the way WSAI is doing it. Only after KFBK's sunset time do they turn off the IBOC, with 5 kHz analog mono audio for the overnight hours. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Aug 04 21:22:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48890 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 04:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2004 04:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52407.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.115) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 04:22:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20040805042226.66091.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.111] by web52407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 21:22:26 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:22:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.115 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC vs. TIS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > 1530 WSAI is currently using IBOC. Normally they > would have to shut > it off at sunset, but WSAI continues to transmit > IBOC until they > switch to their nighttime signal pattern, which > occurs when > co-channel KFBK in Sacramento, CA switches to > _their_ nighttime > pattern. So, WSAI is broadcasting IBOC every > evening for about three > hours after local sunset -- I heard it myself last > night, splashing > onto 1520 WWKB (which is once again putting out a > C-Quam pilot tone, > by the way). Also this trashes WLAC in the Nashville area unless you are pretty close in and in one of the major lobes of their DA. > I don't know if there's any specific loophole in the > FCC's > Preliminary IBOC report which allows this, but > that's the way WSAI is > doing it. Only after KFBK's sunset time do they > turn off the IBOC, > with 5 kHz analog mono audio for the overnight > hours. Before Paul Jellison the regional engineering director got promoted to Denver they were running 6.2 kilohertz mode but their audio recently sounds FAR more restrictive, more like 4.5 kiloherz or so. It's just plain unpleasant to listen to no matter WHAT radio I listen to. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Aug 04 23:57:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66752 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 06:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2004 06:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.241.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 06:57:25 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040805065723.HIHP6617.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 02:57:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:57:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005201c47a8e$67045b60$d503fea9@home1> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.38 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: am stereo and fm stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll have to pull out the Harmon Kardon components. My memory is that I=20 couldn't tell the difference between the tuner being set to mono and=20 the pre-amp being set to mono. Am I understanding correctly, that audio level is louder for a station=20 broadcasting FM mono? Richard On Wednesday, August 4, 2004, at 06:49 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > It does cut down on the noise but doesn't raise the audio level if the > *receiver* is set to mono.=A0 Probably not for summing to a mono amp as=20 > the > noise has already been let through. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Wagoner" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:03 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: am stereo and fm stereo > > > Is the effect (actually all of the effects) the same if a receiver is > set to mono as opposed to the station sending out mono? And on the > receiver side, is there a difference if the amp is set to mono as > opposed to the tuner being set to receive in mono? Range, etc. > > > > > Regardless whether stereo information is present, when the 19kHz > > pilot is detected, the radio will be continually looking to the 23- > > 53kHz region, which will get noisy before the main channel. Shutting > > off the pilot has the effect of the radio no longer attempting to > > decode audio above 23kHz, therefore less picket fencing and less > > noise, therefore the "increase" in coverage area. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Aug 05 00:07:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81628 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 07:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2004 07:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 07:07:05 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.3]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.286) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 03:11:47 -0400 Message-ID: <002201c47aba$c6b876a0$03b10642@4bmx301> To: References: <20040803020823.28246.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com> <005a01c47a8e$819225c0$d503fea9@home1> <001c01c47a9c$6705d9a0$6501a8c0@jimspc> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 03:06:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC vs. TIS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to tip my hat to WCBS Newsradio88 for their traffic reporting. They now even cover my area, and have saved me countless hours of being tied up in traffic, often giving me plenty of tiome to plan a different way to work or home. TIS is ok for pre-planned stuff or ongoing construction, but accidents are a bit hard to pre-plan. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 11:29 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC vs. TIS? All Traveler's Information Service (TIS) stations are afforded no protection of any kind under any circumstances. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 05 03:17:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84980 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 10:17:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2004 10:17:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 10:17:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2004 10:17:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:17:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040805042226.66091.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1836 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.14.65 Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC vs. TIS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > 1530 WSAI is currently using IBOC. Normally they > > would have to shut > > it off at sunset, but WSAI continues to transmit > > IBOC until they > > switch to their nighttime signal pattern, which > > occurs when > > co-channel KFBK in Sacramento, CA switches to > > _their_ nighttime > > pattern. So, WSAI is broadcasting IBOC every > > evening for about three > > hours after local sunset -- I heard it myself last > > night, splashing > > onto 1520 WWKB (which is once again putting out a > > C-Quam pilot tone, > > by the way). > > > Also this trashes WLAC in the Nashville area unless > you are pretty close in and in one of the major lobes > of their DA. > > > > I don't know if there's any specific loophole in the > > FCC's > > Preliminary IBOC report which allows this, but > > that's the way WSAI is > > doing it. Only after KFBK's sunset time do they > > turn off the IBOC, > > with 5 kHz analog mono audio for the overnight > > hours. > > Before Paul Jellison the regional engineering > director got promoted to Denver they were running 6.2 > kilohertz mode but their audio recently sounds FAR > more restrictive, more like 4.5 kiloherz or so. It's > just plain unpleasant to listen to no matter WHAT > radio I listen to. > > Powell > > > > > > ===== > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw Hi Gang I am not looking forword to KFBK AM 1530 going IBOC because thay are a Claer Channel station to. And the way IBOC sounds at a 50 kw station at a 100 miles i am looking to being 20 miles away from one. There sister station is on KSTE AM 650. So i gess thay will be ICRAPIN soon. So buy the way thay are both in the Sacrmento area. Jim Smith From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 05 06:22:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79418 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 13:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2004 13:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 13:22:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20040805132143.70852.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 06:21:43 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 06:21:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: Unit to add to AMS list? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio pianoplayer88key" wrote: Subject: I wonder how this will compare to my SRF-42.... Let us know, and add a photo of the unit to the AM Stereo radio listing if it is the real thing __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From tomray@wor710.com Thu Aug 05 09:09:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4419 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 16:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2004 16:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 16:09:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2004 16:09:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:09:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <97C0CCF6-E566-11D8-B960-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3518 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: am stereo and fm stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Richard: Sometimes it depends on the receiver, but normally, when you kick the=20 receiver into mono, the receiver is then only looking at the main=20 channel, 0-15kHz. So you eliminate the issue of noise since you are=20 no longer looking at the stereo pilot and the region above it. The=20 same as a station transmitting a mono only signal. If you leave the receiver in stereo mode and kick the amp to mono,=20 you will still have the noise issue, as the receiver is still looking=20 at the stereo difference signal, but the amp is simply taking the=20 left channel and right channel from the receiver and combining them=20 to mono. Big difference.=20=20 Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > Is the effect (actually all of the effects) the same if a receiver=20 is=20 > set to mono as opposed to the station sending out mono? And on the=20 > receiver side, is there a difference if the amp is set to mono as=20 > opposed to the tuner being set to receive in mono? Range, etc. >=20 > On Tuesday, August 3, 2004, at 08:30 AM, Tom Ray wrote: >=20 > > The FM stereo standard calls for 45% main channel modulation, 45% > > stereo difference, 10% stereo pilot.=A0 > > > > Most processors will increase the main channel to 85% or so when=20 the > > stereo information is nil or close to it....ie, mono talk.=A0 This=20 is > > why you won't hear much of a level difference when a station > > transmitting mono audio shuts off the pilot. > > > > Plus, stereo radio decoders have a way of balancing things out.=A0=20 If > > you were listening on a strictly mono radio, which is receiving=20 only > > the main audio channel (mono L+R), you would definately hear a=20 level > > increase, particularly if there were stereo information on the=20 air at > > the time. > > > > Regardless whether stereo information is present, when the 19kHz > > pilot is detected, the radio will be continually looking to the=20 23- > > 53kHz region, which will get noisy before the main channel.=A0=20 Shutting > > off the pilot has the effect of the radio no longer attempting to > > decode audio above 23kHz, therefore less picket fencing and less > > noise, therefore the "increase" in coverage area. > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > > > Also, this will allow them to increase the mono modulation=20 from > > > > 45% to 100%, making the signal that much more robust and=20 louder. > > > > Standard FM stereo modulation levels are : mono 45%, > > > > stereo subchannel, 45%, 19kHz stereo pilot, 10%. > > > > > > If you're going to tally it up to 100% like that, then wouldn't=20 the > > > IBOC subcarriers (if present) get a "piece of that pie" as well? > > > WNEW and WNYC-FM don't seem to have reduced their analog=20 modulation > > > levels at all since they began using IBOC.=A0 I also don't hear=20 any > > > increase in loudness when WNYC-FM switches from stereo to mono=20 for > > > talk programs. > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > =A0 > > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > =A0 > > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 Service. > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]